Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Namaste friends, I have uploaded a free article titled " Sthira Dasa of Parasara " at: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles/sthiradasa.pdf It gives Parasara's verses on Sthira dasa and Brahma planet, their literal meaning, analysis of things that need to be deduced, clear instructions based on my independent interpretation, a simple interpretation rule I found and 16 examples with all calculations explained in detail. The sixteen examples given in the article illustrate how a very simple rule based on Sthira dasa and Maheswara planet holds true in many charts if you stick to Parasara's instructions, instead of mixing up with the views of Jaimini commentators. My interpretation of Sthira dasa calculation is different from anything I have seen before, but it sticks to Parasara's instructions in a simple and faithful manner. Please feel free to read the article and check for yourself. If you find it useful, please feel free to benefit from it and spread the knowledge. If you find it useless, please ignore it. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Namaste Arpad ji, > please allow me a non astrological comment. > > As a scholar you should not allow yourself to pen such totally > inaccurate statements, because this may be confusing to those members > who are less familiar with sanskrit literature. > > To determine the authenticity and age of a document based on anushtup > is a very thin argument indeed. > > Anushtup was used extensively at around CE 500-1200. BPHS belongs to > this period. At the earliest. I do not accept the chronology of various documents such as Puranas, Mahabharata, BPHS etc as determined by the so-called " Indologists " , who were in all likelihood working with preconceived notions due to their sub-conscious faith in the chronology of biblical " creation " . Forget the chronology. Just look at a simple fact. Ramayana by Valmiki and Mahabharata and Puranas by Vyasa are almost entirely in a simple metre such as Anushtup. Non-astrological literature (kaavyas) of Kali yuga by Kalidasa, Bharavi, Bhasa etc predominantly employs other fancy and flowery metres. BPHS by Parasara is almost entirely in Anushtup. Astrological literature of Kali yuga by Kalidasa, Varahamihira, Mantreswara etc predominantly employs other fancy and flowery metres. I do not intend to prove anything, but sincere seekers of knowledge of rishis should find the above interesting. The previous millennia of Kali yuga changed metrical and grammatical styles prevalent in Sanskrit. > Substance should be the determining factor and not style. Yes, I mentioned that too. Substance-wise, BPHS stands heads and shoulders above all works of Kali yuga. In any case, this non-astrological factor is not at all a central piece of my article. http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles/sthiradasa.pdf Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ---- " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > Namaste friends, > > I have uploaded a free article titled " Sthira Dasa of Parasara " at: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles/sthiradasa.pdf > > It gives Parasara's verses on Sthira dasa and Brahma planet, their literal meaning, analysis of things that need to be deduced, clear instructions based on my independent interpretation, a simple interpretation rule I found and 16 examples with all calculations explained in detail. > > The sixteen examples given in the article illustrate how a very simple rule based on Sthira dasa and Maheswara planet holds true in many charts if you stick to Parasara's instructions, instead of mixing up with the views of Jaimini commentators. > > My interpretation of Sthira dasa calculation is different from anything I have seen before, but it sticks to Parasara's instructions in a simple and faithful manner. > > Please feel free to read the article and check for yourself. If you find it useful, please feel free to benefit from it and spread the knowledge. If you find it useless, please ignore it. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Namaste Arpad ji, > please allow me a non astrological comment. > > As a scholar you should not allow yourself to pen such totally > inaccurate statements, because this may be confusing to those members > who are less familiar with sanskrit literature. > > To determine the authenticity and age of a document based on anushtup > is a very thin argument indeed. > > Anushtup was used extensively at around CE 500-1200. BPHS belongs to > this period. At the earliest. I do not accept the chronology of various documents such as Puranas, Mahabharata, BPHS etc as determined by the so-called " Indologists " , who were in all likelihood working with preconceived notions due to their sub-conscious faith in the chronology of biblical " creation " . Forget the chronology. Just look at a simple fact. Ramayana by Valmiki and Mahabharata and Puranas by Vyasa are almost entirely in a simple metre such as Anushtup. Non-astrological literature (kaavyas) of Kali yuga by Kalidasa, Bharavi, Bhasa etc predominantly employs other fancy and flowery metres. BPHS by Parasara is almost entirely in Anushtup. Astrological literature of Kali yuga by Kalidasa, Varahamihira, Mantreswara etc predominantly employs other fancy and flowery metres. I do not intend to prove anything, but sincere seekers of knowledge of rishis should find the above interesting. The previous millennia of Kali yuga changed metrical and grammatical styles prevalent in Sanskrit. > Substance should be the determining factor and not style. Yes, I mentioned that too. Substance-wise, BPHS stands heads and shoulders above all works of Kali yuga. In any case, this non-astrological factor is not at all a central piece of my article. http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles/sthiradasa.pdf Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ---- " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > Namaste friends, > > I have uploaded a free article titled " Sthira Dasa of Parasara " at: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles/sthiradasa.pdf > > It gives Parasara's verses on Sthira dasa and Brahma planet, their literal meaning, analysis of things that need to be deduced, clear instructions based on my independent interpretation, a simple interpretation rule I found and 16 examples with all calculations explained in detail. > > The sixteen examples given in the article illustrate how a very simple rule based on Sthira dasa and Maheswara planet holds true in many charts if you stick to Parasara's instructions, instead of mixing up with the views of Jaimini commentators. > > My interpretation of Sthira dasa calculation is different from anything I have seen before, but it sticks to Parasara's instructions in a simple and faithful manner. > > Please feel free to read the article and check for yourself. If you find it useful, please feel free to benefit from it and spread the knowledge. If you find it useless, please ignore it. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 But Dear Narasimha, even today, texts written at the same time vary so much in style, from literary to factual to rickety! Then there is the difference in style between text books and novels and magazines vs journals. Even within the same journal, say something like Nature or Science with all its peer review and scrutiny and control, one can find variations! Even if we assume that in ancient times, standards were tighter and variability of style less umm.. variable, would it be safe to assume that the style of expression necessarily pin-point the era something was written in? Ranjan vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Namaste Arpad ji, > > > please allow me a non astrological comment. > > > > As a scholar you should not allow yourself to pen such totally > > inaccurate statements, because this may be confusing to those members > > who are less familiar with sanskrit literature. > > > > To determine the authenticity and age of a document based on anushtup > > is a very thin argument indeed. > > > > Anushtup was used extensively at around CE 500-1200. BPHS belongs to > > this period. At the earliest. > > I do not accept the chronology of various documents such as Puranas, Mahabharata, BPHS etc as determined by the so-called " Indologists " , who were in all likelihood working with preconceived notions due to their sub-conscious faith in the chronology of biblical " creation " . > > Forget the chronology. Just look at a simple fact. > > Ramayana by Valmiki and Mahabharata and Puranas by Vyasa are almost entirely in a simple metre such as Anushtup. Non-astrological literature (kaavyas) of Kali yuga by Kalidasa, Bharavi, Bhasa etc predominantly employs other fancy and flowery metres. > > BPHS by Parasara is almost entirely in Anushtup. Astrological literature of Kali yuga by Kalidasa, Varahamihira, Mantreswara etc predominantly employs other fancy and flowery metres. > > I do not intend to prove anything, but sincere seekers of knowledge of rishis should find the above interesting. The previous millennia of Kali yuga changed metrical and grammatical styles prevalent in Sanskrit. > > > Substance should be the determining factor and not style. > > Yes, I mentioned that too. Substance-wise, BPHS stands heads and shoulders above all works of Kali yuga. > > In any case, this non-astrological factor is not at all a central piece of my article. > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles/sthiradasa.pdf > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > ---- " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste friends, > > > > I have uploaded a free article titled " Sthira Dasa of Parasara " at: > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles/sthiradasa.pdf > > > > It gives Parasara's verses on Sthira dasa and Brahma planet, their literal meaning, analysis of things that need to be deduced, clear instructions based on my independent interpretation, a simple interpretation rule I found and 16 examples with all calculations explained in detail. > > > > The sixteen examples given in the article illustrate how a very simple rule based on Sthira dasa and Maheswara planet holds true in many charts if you stick to Parasara's instructions, instead of mixing up with the views of Jaimini commentators. > > > > My interpretation of Sthira dasa calculation is different from anything I have seen before, but it sticks to Parasara's instructions in a simple and faithful manner. > > > > Please feel free to read the article and check for yourself. If you find it useful, please feel free to benefit from it and spread the knowledge. If you find it useless, please ignore it. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 sri ganeshaya namah dear narasimha , namaste. wonderful sthira dasa paper and i really enjoyed reading this concept and understanding it. however there a few queries i had in mind. the dasas of the signs in trines or 7th from Maheshwara can bring death to the native , how would usually 1 pinpoint the exact sign amongst the 4 candidates that would bring death ? should the auspicicusness and strenght of the lords of the signs be examined to narrow down ? also , should we cross check with the vimshottari dasa to see if simultaneously a marak graha dasa happens to coincide @ the same time ? also , any rules on finding the exact antar dasa withhin the speficied dasa of death ? your epaper just mentions death mahadashas. i was going through the chart of Prof B V raman , maheshwara is Ju and he is in Sc. trines and 7th to Sc are Cn , Pi , Ta and Sc itself. he passed away in 1996 . vimshottari dasa of venus had started and venus is indeed a marak which explains it . but sthira dasa of Ta ended on 1992 and according to sthira dasa he died in the dasa of Ge , which is not possible ? could u please explain this ? or is it some dasa calculation error on the part of JHora or some faulty birth data ? im using C:\Program Files\Jagannatha Hora\data\Prof. B. V. Raman Natal Chart August 8, 1912 Time: 7:38:00 pm Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 35' 00 " , 12 N 59' 00 " Altitude: 0.98 meters Lunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Nija Ashadha Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (94.62% left) Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju) Nakshatra: Mrigasira (Ma) (95.89% left) Yoga: Vyaghata (Ve) (46.62% left) Karana: Bava (Su) (89.24% left) Hora Lord: Saturn (5 min sign: Ge) Mahakala Hora: Saturn (5 min sign: Ar) Kaala Lord: Moon (Mahakala: Rahu) Sunrise: 6:08:37 am Sunset: 6:41:37 pm Janma Ghatis: 33.7241 Ayanamsa: 22-23-25.48 Sidereal Time: 16:25:11 thanks and great respect , chandan s sabarwal. vedic astrology , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste friends, > > I have uploaded a free article titled " Sthira Dasa of Parasara " at: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles/sthiradasa.pdf > > It gives Parasara's verses on Sthira dasa and Brahma planet, their literal meaning, analysis of things that need to be deduced, clear instructions based on my independent interpretation, a simple interpretation rule I found and 16 examples with all calculations explained in detail. > > The sixteen examples given in the article illustrate how a very simple rule based on Sthira dasa and Maheswara planet holds true in many charts if you stick to Parasara's instructions, instead of mixing up with the views of Jaimini commentators. > > My interpretation of Sthira dasa calculation is different from anything I have seen before, but it sticks to Parasara's instructions in a simple and faithful manner. > > Please feel free to read the article and check for yourself. If you find it useful, please feel free to benefit from it and spread the knowledge. If you find it useless, please ignore it. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 sri ganeshaya namah dear narasimha , namaste. wonderful sthira dasa paper and i really enjoyed reading this concept and understanding it. however there a few queries i had in mind. the dasas of the signs in trines or 7th from Maheshwara can bring death to the native ? how would usually 1 pinpoint the exact sign amongst the 4 candidates that would bring death ? should the auspicicusness and strenght of the lords of the signs be examined to narrow down ? also , should we cross check with the vimshottari dasa to see if suimultaneously a marak graha dasa happens to coincide @ the same time ? also , any rules on finding the exact antar dasa withhin the speficied dasa of death ? your epaper just mentions death mahadashas. i was going through the chart of Prof B V raman , maheshwara is Ju and he is in Sc. trines and 7th to Sc are , Cn , Pi , Ta and Sc itself. he passed away in 1996 . vimshottari dasa of venus had started and venus is indeed a marak which explains it . but sthira dasa of Ta ended on 1992 and according to sthira dasa he died in the dasa of Ge , which is not possible ? could u please explain this ? or is it some dasa calculation error on the part of JHora or some faulty birth data ? im using C:\Program Files\Jagannatha Hora\data\Prof. B. V. Raman Natal Chart August 8, 1912 Time: 7:38:00 pm Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 35' 00 " , 12 N 59' 00 " Altitude: 0.98 meters Lunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Nija Ashadha Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (94.62% left) Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju) Nakshatra: Mrigasira (Ma) (95.89% left) Yoga: Vyaghata (Ve) (46.62% left) Karana: Bava (Su) (89.24% left) Hora Lord: Saturn (5 min sign: Ge) Mahakala Hora: Saturn (5 min sign: Ar) Kaala Lord: Moon (Mahakala: Rahu) Sunrise: 6:08:37 am Sunset: 6:41:37 pm Janma Ghatis: 33.7241 Ayanamsa: 22-23-25.48 Sidereal Time: 16:25:11 thanks and great respect , chandan s sabarwal. sohamsa , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste friends, > > I have uploaded a free article titled " Sthira Dasa of Parasara " at: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles/sthiradasa.pdf > > It gives Parasara's verses on Sthira dasa and Brahma planet, their literal meaning, analysis of things that need to be deduced, clear instructions based on my independent interpretation, a simple interpretation rule I found and 16 examples with all calculations explained in detail. > > The sixteen examples given in the article illustrate how a very simple rule based on Sthira dasa and Maheswara planet holds true in many charts if you stick to Parasara's instructions, instead of mixing up with the views of Jaimini commentators. > > My interpretation of Sthira dasa calculation is different from anything I have seen before, but it sticks to Parasara's instructions in a simple and faithful manner. > > Please feel free to read the article and check for yourself. If you find it useful, please feel free to benefit from it and spread the knowledge. If you find it useless, please ignore it. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Dear Rafal, I agree 100 percent with your following line: We tend to put reality in words and ideas which our mind is comfortable to digest, but its all about energies and attitude. This is what happens in most cases, specially in those fields of study which are not exactly scientific. There every individual fills up the factual gaps and inconsistencies with his own beliefs. And I mean everyone, left, right and centre especially in India. If one were to make a serious attempt of disengaging facts of history (and this includes study of scriptures and sects and philosophies) from personal beliefs of the historian/individual, 90 percent of what we study as history today would get thrown out. And this is the real core of this issue. -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Mon, 3/8/09, Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: Rafał Gendarz <starsuponmeRe: Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasarasohamsa Date: Monday, 3 August, 2009, 1:34 AM hraum krishnaya namahDear RajarishiAdvaitists interpret this Bhaja Govindam in very funny way to prove that the last period of Sankaras'life He was fully supporting Advaita Path.From poor black-white logic this can seem as something weird, but those beings are seeing philosophical things in more fluid way, therefore brahmana signs are watery. We tend to put reality in words and ideas which our mind is comfortable to digest, but its all about energies and attitude. RegardsRafal GendarzSJC Jyotish Guru------------ --Consultations & Pageshttp://rohinaa. comrafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) comrajarshi nandy pisze: Namaste Freedom ji With due respect, a few point I would like to clear up.. have 100 percent proof that this is the only right way and everyone else is wrong- not that you are getting fundamental, but the seeds of fundamentalism lie in throwing away logic and having blind faith. Could not have agreed more with you. However, it is precisely about logic that I am speaking. Faith has it's place and so does logic. When we are discussing things like history we should be entirely logical and not only accept that which fits but also be careful of not making any assumptions on our part unless we have unquestionable evidence. For example, the Tantric text, Prapanchasara (attributed to Adi Sankara) has Vaisnava philosophy and related mantras that were not approved by Shankara in his Brahma Sutras. For example, Shankara said in the Brahma Sutras that the concept of Shankarshana (who creates the jiva) is incorrect because the jiva is not created at all, so why would he give mantras for worshipping Shankarshana in a vaisnava format in his tantric text? Many texts are recordings of older teachings orally transmitted for millenium and we must not discredit them, but we must be aware of additions, changes, psuedo-authorship or other such things which happen over time. It is a fine line to walk, and many scholars have varying opinions, but we should practice discrimination and at least be aware of the undisputed authenticity or questionablility (and the reasons why) of any text we study in depth. While I again agree that corruptions over time and pseudo - scholarships are a definite possibility, but that is something we must determined based more sound logic. For example, if one questions Shankaras giving mantras for Shankarshara, while the question is absolutely logical, it also further begs the questions as to why did Shanakara author the 12 slokas of Bhajagovindam or the Saundaryalahari when Shankara very well in his Brahma Sutras distinguishes between Ishwara and Brahmana. As far his interpretation of the Brahma Sutra and concept of Jiva, he maintains (so I have read from various commentaries on Shankara's ideas) that Jiva is not created with respect to the Atman, but, when the light of the Atman falls on Maya and Avidya, the creation of Jiva becomes immanent. Just like, often people tend to suggest, taking one single line from the Vivekchudamani that Shankara was all about "Brahma satya and Jagat mithya", however, he himself in various works poses arguments to suggest that this is with a specific refernce frame, that is Brahmana. He infact at places endorses a mixed view on Maya, saying, through arguments, that is actually unknowable rather than a categorical unreal. The main point of my argument is that, why is Shanakara considered almost the fountainhead of the Srividya tradition unless you are suggesting this whole idea is a corruption and he never composed the SaundaryaLahari or even the 12 slokas of the Bhajagovindam for that matter. And if he could compose these, I find it plausible that he could have authored more specific tantrik texts as well. Anyway, as I had said, history is more speculation than anything else and every argument will have its pros and cons. -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Freedomji <freeflowaum@ > wrote: Freedomji <freeflowaum@ >Re: Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasarasohamsa@ .comSunday, 2 August, 2009, 11:01 PM Hare Rama Krsna Rajarshi, I would really rather not involve myself in the discusssion but we should be clear that we need to have proper discrimination when looking at a text. Religious fundamentalists believe whatever their religion tells them: this is not a vedic philosophy. I always refer to the nasadiya suktam that supports their to be some questioning and not a need to have 100 percent proof that this is the only right way and everyone else is wrong- not that you are getting fundamental, but the seeds of fundamentalism lie in throwing away logic and having blind faith. For example, the Tantric text, Prapanchasara (attributed to Adi Sankara) has Vaisnava philosophy and related mantras that were not approved by Shankara in his Brahma Sutras. For example, Shankara said in the Brahma Sutras that the concept of Shankarshana (who creates the jiva) is incorrect because the jiva is not created at all, so why would he give mantras for worshipping Shankarshana in a vaisnava format in his tantric text? Many texts are recordings of older teachings orally transmitted for millenium and we must not discredit them, but we must be aware of additions, changes, psuedo-authorship or other such things which happen over time. It is a fine line to walk, and many scholars have varying opinions, but we should practice discrimination and at least be aware of the undisputed authenticity or questionablility (and the reasons why) of any text we study in depth. Freedom aum namaH shivaaya rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in>sohamsa@ .comSaturday, August 1, 2009 10:43:00 PMRe: Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara Namaste Arpad ji Very interesting and logical mail. I had one question about a paragraph in your reply. As you are well aware, and this is my next point, it was an accepted practice by latter day writers to attribute their work (out of modesty, no doubt) to some well know author ,Rishi, authority of earlier times. Think of Nagarjuna (which one? There seem to have been several), and to the many, many treatises attributed to him (including many alchemical works),or Adi Shankara for that matter. (Did he REALLY authored those tantric treatises?Or rather, the writers have lovingly, and out of devotion attributed the tantric works to the great Adi Shankara?) Well, in that case nothing in history can be known for sure and things will always be speculative. One person's speculation versus anothers. Of course history is far from any exact science and therefore it is these areas where the conditioning and subconscious biases of the historian/interpret er of history comes in. There is absolutely no way one can be sure whether Shankara authored, just like there is no way one can be sure whether a duplicate of Shankara authored these texts. Therefore, isn't it a better practise to generally accept that which comes down as the spoken/heard/ verbally transmitted tradition which pretty much agrees that a Shankara himself composed what the texts say he has composed? Same with Parashara. Because otherwise what is the veracity of any primary source in history? And these texts are more complex when it comes to dating, because the knowledge propagated cannot be corroborated with complimentary factual texts, unlike in a standard description of a flow-of-events kind of text. For example, in a standard history one can always contend that Jaichand was probably not a traitor because though the Prithviraj Raso says so, there are texts like the Prithviraja Vijaya by Jonaraja, a Kashmiri historian, of a similar time period which contradicts this version. But same cannot happen with texts which are about spiritual knowledge. Therefore, it seems sanest to accept the author as what the author says himself to be. Otherwise, we end up in an endless circle of speculation upon speculation without any conclusive proof. -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Sat, 1/8/09, Arpad Joo <panchasila > wrote: Arpad Joo <panchasila > Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasarasohamsa@ .comSaturday, 1 August, 2009, 9:30 AM Hare Rama Krishna, Dear Nrsimha-ji Before I reply to the issues you have raised, I would like to start by saying how much respect I have for you and indeed how grateful I am to you for your many wonderful and numerous contributions to the field of Jyotir vidya.Everytime I open your JHora, I say a quick thank you to you, and I hope that the many many micro/mini blessings will reach you speedily. But, of course this does not prevent me from voicing disagreements and raising doubts when I see (perceive) esoteric "oxymorons". (Juxtaposition of incompatible, and very improbable presuppositions. )Allow me to start: You have written: "I do not accept the chronology of various documents such as Puranas,Mahabharata, BPHS etc as determined by the so-called "Indologists" , who were inall likelihood working with preconceived notions due to their sub-consciousfaith in the chronology of biblical "creation". Well, nor do I. But, I am afraid, here you are dragging out 19th century arguments,which were in vogue in the times of Prof Max Muller 150 years ago. Much water has passed under the London bridge since.(Not to mention Brooklyn bridge) Besides, the (friendly) arguments have not been about the chronology of Vedas,Puranas or indologists. I do not understand why you all of a sudden, rather than replying directly to the questions I have raised, you decide to dwelve into the subconscious motivation of so called "indologists" . Let me state it again: According to you, the onset of Kali yuga effected a change in the style of Sanskrit, which can be measured in the usage of vedic chandas, especially the abandonment of Anushtup. The prevalence of Anushtup shows conclusively that the piece (in this case BPHS) was written by one of the Rishis (before Kali Yuga) I posit, that both assumption and statements are incorrect. I can show you an entire genre of sacred Sanskrit literature which was written between 500-1,200CE which uses Anushtup. As you may well be aware, Anushtup is not an especially difficult meter to write. Any decent Sanskrit student after a few years should be able to compose acceptable, even flowing verse in anushtup chandah..I am sure that you are able to do that too. This in itself does't make us Rishis. The Sanskrit Praises of 21 Taras, The Mahayana Uttaratantra Shastra (attributed to Maitreya) among many others are written in Anushtup.. (I have posted earlier the Sanskrit praises of the 21 Taras , in the files section.)We all know, that these scriptures emerged about 500CE,Uttara Tantra shastra even later.) Since these were written in Anushtup, do we now admit/posit that they were written before the onset of Kali yuga? By one of the Rishis?This would raise far more questions and very strange ones indeed.. We should be careful with faith based arguments.By that I mean that the line of reasoning goes like this:" I believe such and such to be true…. and because I believe it, therefore it must be so". This is a Rev. Jerry Falwell type of bible "scholarship" . I remember, some years ago,as I listened to a revered Tibetan Lama, now a distinguished Professor of a large European University, a scholar, linguist and a great practitioner (sadhak)-saying, STATING explicitly, that Tara vidya in general and the Sanskrit praises of Tara in particular was spoken directly by the historical Buddha 2,500 years ago.It took all my self discipline not to dispute this then and there, bit my tongue and quietly went away, shaking my head.As we all know, there is not a shred of any evidence to support this, except: "I believe it to be so". Well, this line of proof is way to thin for me, yet I do respect people's belief. I have encountered die hard traditionalist who staunchly maintained (on what evidence?) that Parashara lived 25,000 years ago. (why not 2,5 million years ago?) As you are well aware, and this is my next point, it was an accepted practice by latter day writers to attribute their work (out of modesty, no doubt) to some well know author ,Rishi, authority of earlier times. Think of Nagarjuna (which one? There seem to have been several), and to the many, many treatises attributed to him (including many alchemical works),or Adi Shankara for that matter. (Did he REALLY authored those tantric treatises?Or rather, the writers have lovingly, and out of devotion attributed the tantric works to the great Adi Shankara?)This also have been a very accepted practice in western spiritual literature: It is 100% sure that the Great Work "Mysterium Conjunctionis" , and alchemical masterwork was not written by the celebrated Saint/mystic of the church St. Thomas Aquinas- yet, it has been attributed to him, posthumously, and even today (though everybody knows that this is not the case) all reprints show him as the author.There are hundreds of examples of this.In quabalistic literature the "Maftea Shlomo", a mystical/magical work, a sort of lal kitab, was and is attributed to King Salomon, the wise.(That maybe true in spirit, but not in letter) My point is this: rather than elevating BPHS to a level of scripture, on very scant evidence, take it as it is- a very valuable compendium of existing astrological practices, systems in usage at around the 18th century CE. BPHS, great as it is,the text,style is not homogenous, not even and parts of it are rather disconnected. It is a compendium.If you compare it to Jaimini, we will find that the latter is a seamless whole,from beginning to end. This is of course not to say, that one is better than the other.I certainly could not and would not dare to make any judgment like that. Now to the last part of your note: "In any case, this non-astrological factor is not at all a central piece of myarticle." True.Your research was on Shtira dasa, which I find excellent and valuable..Congratul a tions on your work.Thank you: With deep respect to all: AJ sohamsa@ .com, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:>> Namaste Arpad ji,> > > please allow me a non astrological comment.> > > > As a scholar you should not allow yourself to pen such totally> > inaccurate statements, because this may be confusing to those members> > who are less familiar with sanskrit literature.> > > > To determine the authenticity and age of a document based on anushtup> > is a very thin argument indeed.> > > > Anushtup was used extensively at around CE 500-1200. BPHS belongs to> > this period. At the earliest.> > I do not accept the chronology of various documents such as Puranas, Mahabharata, BPHS etc as determined by the so-called "Indologists" , who were in all likelihood working with preconceived notions due to their sub-conscious faith in the chronology of biblical "creation".> > Forget the chronology. Just look at a simple fact.> > Ramayana by Valmiki and Mahabharata and Puranas by Vyasa are almost entirely in a simple metre such as Anushtup. Non-astrological literature (kaavyas) of Kali yuga by Kalidasa, Bharavi, Bhasa etc predominantly employs other fancy and flowery metres.> > BPHS by Parasara is almost entirely in Anushtup. Astrological literature of Kali yuga by Kalidasa, Varahamihira, Mantreswara etc predominantly employs other fancy and flowery metres.> > I do not intend to prove anything, but sincere seekers of knowledge of rishis should find the above interesting. The previous millennia of Kali yuga changed metrical and grammatical styles prevalent in Sanskrit.> > > Substance should be the determining factor and not style.> > Yes, I mentioned that too. Substance-wise, BPHS stands heads and shoulders above all works of Kali yuga.> > In any case, this non-astrological factor is not at all a central piece of my article.> > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles/ sthiradasa. pdf> > Best regards,> Narasimha> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.. SriJagan nath.org> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > ---- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr. wrote: > > Namaste friends,> > > > I have uploaded a free article titled "Sthira Dasa of Parasara" at:> > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles/ sthiradasa. pdf> > > > It gives Parasara's verses on Sthira dasa and Brahma planet, their literal meaning, analysis of things that need to be deduced, clear instructions based on my independent interpretation, a simple interpretation rule I found and 16 examples with all calculations explained in detail.> > > > The sixteen examples given in the article illustrate how a very simple rule based on Sthira dasa and Maheswara planet holds true in many charts if you stick to Parasara's instructions, instead of mixing up with the views of Jaimini commentators.> > > > My interpretation of Sthira dasa calculation is different from anything I have seen before, but it sticks to Parasara's instructions in a simple and faithful manner.> > > > Please feel free to read the article and check for yourself. If you find it useful, please feel free to benefit from it and spread the knowledge. If you find it useless, please ignore it.> > > > Best regards,> > Narasimha> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------->See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 namaste, [ I apologize for this non-jyotisha post. ] I had a nice discussion with Rafal in private, and I do accept that he respects all traditions. None the less, he has made two very tall claims, which are often repeated in Gaudiya circles. Claim #1 : Advaitists interpret this Bhaja Govindam in a funny way Claim #2 : In the last period of Sankara's life, he was not fully supporting Advaita. These are unfounded, often-repeated, incorrect un-truths. #1: Shankaracharya was a bhakta who has written many shlokas on many deities (seen as an apsect of parabrahma). Not only that, but all advaitins are bhaktas. The current heads of the four AmnAya maths (Sringeri etc) perform never ending pujas. How much more proof do you need? Bhaja Govindam is one example of a sloka that teaches bhakti. Great. What is so special about it? He has also written the Vishnu Sahasranama Bhashya, kanakadhArA-stotram, Soundarya Lahiri, and many other stotras on many devatA-s. #2: Even with the most biased reading, this " change of heart " is non-existent. These days, the stotra is called Bhaja Govindam. The original name was " moha-mudgara-stotra " or " taking a sledge-hammer to delusion " . That is the first clue to see that this is entirely in line with all of Shankaracharya's teachings. Secondly, this stotra has many shlokas, most of which teach dispassion (vairAgya). That is the second clue. Thirdly, only a few of the shlokas are written by the acharya. Many slokas in the middle are written by his disciples. And they have not " changed paramparas, or taught something different " . This is the third clue. Taking the name of " Bhaja Govinda " is a favorite exercise for some people. However, the parampara that was started by the stotra's author ..... i.e. the parampara through which it's teaching have been handed down .... this parampara maintains that this shloka fits perfectly within the tenents of advaita. bhavadiiyaH, ajit 2009/8/2 Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme: > > > hraum krishnaya namah > Dear Rajarishi > > Advaitists interpret this Bhaja Govindam in very funny way to prove that the > last period of Sankaras'life He was fully supporting Advaita Path. > > From poor black-white logic this can seem as something weird, but those > beings are seeing philosophical things in more fluid way, therefore brahmana > signs are watery. > > We tend to put reality in words and ideas which our mind is comfortable to > digest, but its all about energies and attitude. > > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > -------------- > Consultations & Pages > http://rohinaa.com > rafal > > > > rajarshi nandy pisze: > > > Namaste Freedom ji > > With due respect, a few point I would like to clear up.. > > > have 100 percent proof that this is the only right way and everyone else is > wrong- not that you are getting fundamental, but the seeds of fundamentalism > lie in throwing away logic and having blind faith. > > Could not have agreed more with you. However, it is precisely about logic > that I am speaking. Faith has it's place and so does logic. When we are > discussing things like history we should be entirely logical and not only > accept that which fits but also be careful of not making any assumptions on > our part unless we have unquestionable evidence. > > > For example, the Tantric text, Prapanchasara (attributed to Adi Sankara) has > Vaisnava philosophy and related mantras that were not approved by Shankara > in his Brahma Sutras. For example, Shankara said in the Brahma Sutras that > the concept of Shankarshana (who creates the jiva) is incorrect because the > jiva is not created at all, so why would he give mantras for worshipping > Shankarshana in a vaisnava format in his tantric text? > Many texts are recordings of older teachings orally transmitted for > millenium and we must not discredit them, but we must be aware of additions, > changes, psuedo-authorship or other such things which happen over time. It > is a fine line to walk, and many scholars have varying opinions, but we > should practice discrimination and at least be aware of the undisputed > authenticity or questionablility (and the reasons why) of any text we study > in depth. > > While I again agree that corruptions over time and pseudo - scholarships are > a definite possibility, but that is something we must determined based more > sound logic. For example, if one questions Shankaras giving mantras for > Shankarshara, while the question is absolutely logical, it also further begs > the questions as to why did Shanakara author the 12 slokas of Bhajagovindam > or the Saundaryalahari when Shankara very well in his Brahma Sutras > distinguishes between Ishwara and Brahmana. As far his interpretation of the > Brahma Sutra and concept of Jiva, he maintains (so I have read from various > commentaries on Shankara's ideas) that Jiva is not created with respect to > the Atman, but, when the light of the Atman falls on Maya and Avidya, the > creation of Jiva becomes immanent. Just like, often people tend to suggest, > taking one single line from the Vivekchudamani that Shankara was all about > " Brahma satya and Jagat mithya " , however, he himself in various works poses > arguments to suggest that this is with a specific refernce frame, that is > Brahmana. He infact at places endorses a mixed view on Maya, saying, through > arguments, that is actually unknowable rather than a categorical unreal. > > The main point of my argument is that, why is Shanakara considered almost > the fountainhead of the Srividya tradition unless you are suggesting this > whole idea is a corruption and he never composed the SaundaryaLahari or even > the 12 slokas of the Bhajagovindam for that matter. And if he could compose > these, I find it plausible that he could have authored more specific tantrik > texts as well. > > Anyway, as I had said, history is more speculation than anything else and > every argument will have its pros and cons. > > -Regards >  Rajarshi > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Freedomji <freeflowaum@ > wrote: > > Freedomji <freeflowaum@ > > Re: Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara > sohamsa@ .com > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 11:01 PM > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > Rajarshi, I would really rather not involve myself in the discusssion but we > should be clear that we need to have proper discrimination when looking at a > text. Religious fundamentalists believe whatever their religion tells them: > this is not a vedic philosophy. I always refer to the nasadiya suktam that > supports their to be some questioning and not a need to have 100 percent > proof that this is the only right way and everyone else is wrong- not that > you are getting fundamental, but the seeds of fundamentalism lie in throwing > away logic and having blind faith. > For example, the Tantric text, Prapanchasara (attributed to Adi Sankara) has > Vaisnava philosophy and related mantras that were not approved by Shankara > in his Brahma Sutras. For example, Shankara said in the Brahma Sutras that > the concept of Shankarshana (who creates the jiva) is incorrect because the > jiva is not created at all, so why would he give mantras for worshipping > Shankarshana in a vaisnava format in his tantric text? > Many texts are recordings of older teachings orally transmitted for > millenium and we must not discredit them, but we must be aware of additions, > changes, psuedo-authorship or other such things which happen over time. It > is a fine line to walk, and many scholars have varying opinions, but we > should practice discrimination and at least be aware of the undisputed > authenticity or questionablility (and the reasons why) of any text we study > in depth. > > Freedom > aum namaH shivaaya > > rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > sohamsa@ .com > Saturday, August 1, 2009 10:43:00 PM > Re: Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara > > > Namaste Arpad ji > > Very interesting and logical mail. I had one question about a paragraph in > your reply. > > > As you are well aware, and this is my next point, it was an accepted > practice by latter day writers to attribute their work (out of modesty, no > doubt) to some well know author ,Rishi, authority of earlier times. Think of > Nagarjuna (which one? There seem to have been several), and to the many, > many treatises attributed to him (including many alchemical works),or Adi > Shankara for that matter. (Did he REALLY authored those tantric treatises?Or > rather, the writers have lovingly, and out of devotion attributed the > tantric works to the great Adi Shankara?) > > Well, in that case nothing in history can be known for sure and things will > always be speculative. One person's speculation versus anothers. Of course > history is far from any exact science and therefore it is these areas where > the conditioning and subconscious biases of the historian/interpret er of > history comes in. There is absolutely no way one can be sure whether > Shankara authored, just like there is no way one can be sure whether a > duplicate of Shankara authored these texts. Therefore, isn't it a better > practise to generally accept that which comes down as the spoken/heard/ > verbally transmitted tradition which pretty much agrees that a Shankara > himself composed what the texts say he has composed? Same with Parashara. > Because otherwise what is the veracity of any primary source in history? And > these texts are more complex when it comes to dating, because the knowledge > propagated cannot be corroborated with complimentary factual texts, unlike > in a standard description of a flow-of-events kind of text. For example, in > a standard history one can always contend that Jaichand was probably not a > traitor because though the Prithviraj Raso says so, there are texts like the > Prithviraja Vijaya by Jonaraja, a Kashmiri historian, of a similar time > period which contradicts this version. But same cannot happen with texts > which are about spiritual knowledge. Therefore, it seems sanest to accept > the author as what the author says himself to be. Otherwise, we end up in an > endless circle of speculation upon speculation without any conclusive proof. > > -Regards >  Rajarshi > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > --- On Sat, 1/8/09, Arpad Joo <panchasila > wrote: > > Arpad Joo <panchasila > > Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara > sohamsa@ .com > Saturday, 1 August, 2009, 9:30 AM > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > Dear Nrsimha-ji > > Before I reply to the issues you have raised, I would like to start by > saying how much respect I have for you and indeed how grateful I am to you > for your many wonderful and numerous contributions to the field of Jyotir > vidya.Everytime I open your JHora, I say a quick thank you to you, and I > hope that the many many micro/mini blessings will reach you speedily. > > But, of course this does not prevent me from voicing disagreements and > raising doubts when I see (perceive) esoteric " oxymorons " . (Juxtaposition of > incompatible, and very improbable presuppositions. )Allow me to start: > > > > You have written: > > " I do not accept the chronology of various documents such as Puranas, > Mahabharata, BPHS etc as determined by the so-called " Indologists " , who > were in > all likelihood working with preconceived notions due to their sub-conscious > faith in the chronology of biblical " creation " . > > Well, nor do I. But, I am afraid, here you are dragging out 19th century > arguments,which were in vogue in the times of Prof Max Muller 150 years ago. > Much water has passed under the London bridge since.(Not to mention Brooklyn > bridge) Besides, the (friendly) arguments have not been about the chronology > of Vedas,Puranas or indologists. > > I do not understand why you all of a sudden, rather than replying directly > to the questions I have raised, you decide to dwelve into the subconscious > motivation of so called " indologists " . > > Let me state it again: > > According to you, the onset of Kali yuga effected a change in the style of > Sanskrit, which can be measured in the usage of vedic chandas, especially > the abandonment of Anushtup. > The prevalence of Anushtup shows conclusively that the piece (in this case > BPHS) was written by one of the Rishis (before Kali Yuga) > > > > I posit, that both assumption and statements are incorrect. I can show you > an entire genre of sacred Sanskrit literature which was written between > 500-1,200CE which uses Anushtup. > > As you may well be aware, Anushtup is not an especially difficult meter to > write. Any decent Sanskrit student after a few years should be able to > compose acceptable, even flowing verse in anushtup chandah..I am sure that > you are able to do that too. This in itself does't make us Rishis. > > The Sanskrit Praises of 21 Taras, The Mahayana Uttaratantra Shastra > (attributed to Maitreya) among many others are written in Anushtup.. (I have > posted earlier the Sanskrit praises of the 21 Taras , in the files > section.)We all know, that these scriptures emerged about 500CE,Uttara > Tantra shastra even later.) Since these were written in Anushtup, do we now > admit/posit that they were written before the onset of Kali yuga? By one of > the Rishis?This would raise far more questions and very strange ones > indeed.. > > We should be careful with faith based arguments.By that I mean that the line > of reasoning goes like this: " I believe such and such to be true…. and > because I believe it, therefore it must be so " . This is a Rev. Jerry Falwell > type of bible " scholarship " . > > I remember, some years ago,as  I listened to a revered Tibetan Lama, now a > distinguished Professor of a large European University, a scholar, linguist > and a great practitioner (sadhak)-saying, STATING explicitly, that Tara > vidya in general and the Sanskrit praises of Tara in particular was spoken > directly by the historical Buddha 2,500 years ago.It took all my self > discipline not to dispute this then and there, bit my tongue and quietly > went away, shaking my head.As we all know, there is not a shred of any > evidence to support this, except: " I believe it to be so " . Well, this line > of proof is way to thin for me, yet I do respect people's belief. I have > encountered die hard traditionalist who staunchly maintained (on what > evidence?) that Parashara lived 25,000 years ago. (why not 2,5 million years > ago?) > > As you are well aware, and this is my next point, it was an accepted > practice by latter day writers to attribute their work (out of modesty, no > doubt) to some well know author ,Rishi, authority of earlier times. Think of > Nagarjuna (which one? There seem to have been several), and to the many, > many treatises attributed to him (including many alchemical works),or Adi > Shankara for that matter. (Did he REALLY authored those tantric treatises?Or > rather, the writers have lovingly, and out of devotion attributed the > tantric works to the great Adi Shankara?)This also have been a very accepted > practice in western spiritual literature: It is 100% sure that the Great > Work " Mysterium Conjunctionis " , and alchemical masterwork was not written > by the celebrated Saint/mystic of the church St. Thomas Aquinas- yet, it has > been attributed to him, posthumously, and even today (though everybody knows > that this is not the case) all reprints show him as the author.There are > hundreds of examples of this.In quabalistic literature the " Maftea Shlomo " , > a mystical/magical work, a sort of lal kitab, was and is attributed to King > Salomon, the wise.(That maybe true in spirit, but not in letter) > > My point is this: rather than elevating BPHS to a level of scripture, on > very scant evidence, take it as it is- a very valuable compendium of > existing astrological practices, systems in usage at around the 18th century > CE. BPHS, great as it is,the text,style is not homogenous, not even and > parts of it are rather disconnected. It is a compendium.If you compare it to > Jaimini, we will find that the latter is a seamless whole,from beginning to > end. This is of course not to say, that one is better than the other.I > certainly could not and would not dare to make any judgment like that. > > > > Now to the last part of your note: > > " In any case, this non-astrological factor is not at all a central piece of > my > article. " > > True.Your research was on Shtira dasa, which I find excellent and > valuable..Congratul a tions on your work.Thank you: > > > > With deep respect to all: > > > > AJ > > > > sohamsa@ .com, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: >> >> Namaste Arpad ji, >> >> > please allow me a non astrological comment. >> > >> > As a scholar you should not allow yourself to pen such totally >> > inaccurate statements, because this may be confusing to those members >> > who are less familiar with sanskrit literature. >> > >> > To determine the authenticity and age of a document based on anushtup >> > is a very thin argument indeed. >> > >> > Anushtup was used extensively at around CE 500-1200. BPHS belongs to >> > this period. At the earliest. >> >> I do not accept the chronology of various documents such as Puranas, >> Mahabharata, BPHS etc as determined by the so-called " Indologists " , who >> were in all likelihood working with preconceived notions due to their >> sub-conscious faith in the chronology of biblical " creation " . >> >> Forget the chronology. Just look at a simple fact. >> >> Ramayana by Valmiki and Mahabharata and Puranas by Vyasa are almost >> entirely in a simple metre such as Anushtup. Non-astrological literature >> (kaavyas) of Kali yuga by Kalidasa, Bharavi, Bhasa etc predominantly employs >> other fancy and flowery metres. >> >> BPHS by Parasara is almost entirely in Anushtup. Astrological literature >> of Kali yuga by Kalidasa, Varahamihira, Mantreswara etc predominantly >> employs other fancy and flowery metres. >> >> I do not intend to prove anything, but sincere seekers of knowledge of >> rishis should find the above interesting. The previous millennia of Kali >> yuga changed metrical and grammatical styles prevalent in Sanskrit. >> >> > Substance should be the determining factor and not style. >> >> Yes, I mentioned that too. Substance-wise, BPHS stands heads and shoulders >> above all works of Kali yuga. >> >> In any case, this non-astrological factor is not at all a central piece of >> my article. >> >> http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles/ sthiradasa. pdf >> >> Best regards, >> Narasimha >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana >> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.. SriJagan nath.org >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- >> >> ---- " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " pvr. wrote: >> > Namaste friends, >> > >> > I have uploaded a free article titled " Sthira Dasa of Parasara " at: >> > >> > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles/ sthiradasa. pdf >> > >> > It gives Parasara's verses on Sthira dasa and Brahma planet, their >> > literal meaning, analysis of things that need to be deduced, clear >> > instructions based on my independent interpretation, a simple interpretation >> > rule I found and 16 examples with all calculations explained in detail. >> > >> > The sixteen examples given in the article illustrate how a very simple >> > rule based on Sthira dasa and Maheswara planet holds true in many charts if >> > you stick to Parasara's instructions, instead of mixing up with the views of >> > Jaimini commentators. >> > >> > My interpretation of Sthira dasa calculation is different from anything >> > I have seen before, but it sticks to Parasara's instructions in a simple and >> > faithful manner. >> > >> > Please feel free to read the article and check for yourself. If you find >> > it useful, please feel free to benefit from it and spread the knowledge. If >> > you find it useless, please ignore it. >> > >> > Best regards, >> > Narasimha >> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- >> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam >> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana >> > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom >> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net >> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org >> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org >> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- >> > > See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out > Buzz. > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Dear Ajit Thank you for broading my understanding. I would like to read more this by you (blog?). Regards Rafal Gendarz Elementy potencjalnie niebezpieczne zosta³y zablokowane. namaste, [ I apologize for this non-jyotisha post. ] I had a nice discussion with Rafal in private, and I do accept that he respects all traditions. None the less, he has made two very tall claims, which are often repeated in Gaudiya circles. Claim #1 : Advaitists interpret this Bhaja Govindam in a funny way Claim #2 : In the last period of Sankara's life, he was not fully supporting Advaita. These are unfounded, often-repeated, incorrect un-truths. #1: Shankaracharya was a bhakta who has written many shlokas on many deities (seen as an apsect of parabrahma). Not only that, but all advaitins are bhaktas. The current heads of the four AmnAya maths (Sringeri etc) perform never ending pujas. How much more proof do you need? Bhaja Govindam is one example of a sloka that teaches bhakti. Great. What is so special about it? He has also written the Vishnu Sahasranama Bhashya, kanakadhArA-stotram, Soundarya Lahiri, and many other stotras on many devatA-s. #2: Even with the most biased reading, this "change of heart" is non-existent. These days, the stotra is called Bhaja Govindam. The original name was "moha-mudgara-stotra" or "taking a sledge-hammer to delusion". That is the first clue to see that this is entirely in line with all of Shankaracharya's teachings. Secondly, this stotra has many shlokas, most of which teach dispassion (vairAgya). That is the second clue. Thirdly, only a few of the shlokas are written by the acharya. Many slokas in the middle are written by his disciples. And they have not "changed paramparas, or taught something different". This is the third clue. Taking the name of "Bhaja Govinda" is a favorite exercise for some people. However, the parampara that was started by the stotra's author .... i.e. the parampara through which it's teaching have been handed down .... this parampara maintains that this shloka fits perfectly within the tenents of advaita. bhavadiiyaH, ajit 2009/8/2 Rafa³ Gendarz <starsuponme: > > > hraum krishnaya namah > Dear Rajarishi > > Advaitists interpret this Bhaja Govindam in very funny way to prove that the > last period of Sankaras'life He was fully supporting Advaita Path. > > From poor black-white logic this can seem as something weird, but those > beings are seeing philosophical things in more fluid way, therefore brahmana > signs are watery. > > We tend to put reality in words and ideas which our mind is comfortable to > digest, but its all about energies and attitude. > > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > -------------- > Consultations & Pages > http://rohinaa.com > rafal > > > > rajarshi nandy pisze: > > > Namaste Freedom ji > > With due respect, a few point I would like to clear up.. > > > have 100 percent proof that this is the only right way and everyone else is > wrong- not that you are getting fundamental, but the seeds of fundamentalism > lie in throwing away logic and having blind faith. > > Could not have agreed more with you. However, it is precisely about logic > that I am speaking. Faith has it's place and so does logic. When we are > discussing things like history we should be entirely logical and not only > accept that which fits but also be careful of not making any assumptions on > our part unless we have unquestionable evidence. > > > For example, the Tantric text, Prapanchasara (attributed to Adi Sankara) has > Vaisnava philosophy and related mantras that were not approved by Shankara > in his Brahma Sutras. For example, Shankara said in the Brahma Sutras that > the concept of Shankarshana (who creates the jiva) is incorrect because the > jiva is not created at all, so why would he give mantras for worshipping > Shankarshana in a vaisnava format in his tantric text? > Many texts are recordings of older teachings orally transmitted for > millenium and we must not discredit them, but we must be aware of additions, > changes, psuedo-authorship or other such things which happen over time. It > is a fine line to walk, and many scholars have varying opinions, but we > should practice discrimination and at least be aware of the undisputed > authenticity or questionablility (and the reasons why) of any text we study > in depth. > > While I again agree that corruptions over time and pseudo - scholarships are > a definite possibility, but that is something we must determined based more > sound logic. For example, if one questions Shankaras giving mantras for > Shankarshara, while the question is absolutely logical, it also further begs > the questions as to why did Shanakara author the 12 slokas of Bhajagovindam > or the Saundaryalahari when Shankara very well in his Brahma Sutras > distinguishes between Ishwara and Brahmana. As far his interpretation of the > Brahma Sutra and concept of Jiva, he maintains (so I have read from various > commentaries on Shankara's ideas) that Jiva is not created with respect to > the Atman, but, when the light of the Atman falls on Maya and Avidya, the > creation of Jiva becomes immanent. Just like, often people tend to suggest, > taking one single line from the Vivekchudamani that Shankara was all about > "Brahma satya and Jagat mithya", however, he himself in various works poses > arguments to suggest that this is with a specific refernce frame, that is > Brahmana. He infact at places endorses a mixed view on Maya, saying, through > arguments, that is actually unknowable rather than a categorical unreal. > > The main point of my argument is that, why is Shanakara considered almost > the fountainhead of the Srividya tradition unless you are suggesting this > whole idea is a corruption and he never composed the SaundaryaLahari or even > the 12 slokas of the Bhajagovindam for that matter. And if he could compose > these, I find it plausible that he could have authored more specific tantrik > texts as well. > > Anyway, as I had said, history is more speculation than anything else and > every argument will have its pros and cons. > > -Regards >  Rajarshi > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Freedomji <freeflowaum@ > wrote: > > Freedomji <freeflowaum@ > > Re: Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara > sohamsa@ .com > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 11:01 PM > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > Rajarshi, I would really rather not involve myself in the discusssion but we > should be clear that we need to have proper discrimination when looking at a > text. Religious fundamentalists believe whatever their religion tells them: > this is not a vedic philosophy. I always refer to the nasadiya suktam that > supports their to be some questioning and not a need to have 100 percent > proof that this is the only right way and everyone else is wrong- not that > you are getting fundamental, but the seeds of fundamentalism lie in throwing > away logic and having blind faith. > For example, the Tantric text, Prapanchasara (attributed to Adi Sankara) has > Vaisnava philosophy and related mantras that were not approved by Shankara > in his Brahma Sutras. For example, Shankara said in the Brahma Sutras that > the concept of Shankarshana (who creates the jiva) is incorrect because the > jiva is not created at all, so why would he give mantras for worshipping > Shankarshana in a vaisnava format in his tantric text? > Many texts are recordings of older teachings orally transmitted for > millenium and we must not discredit them, but we must be aware of additions, > changes, psuedo-authorship or other such things which happen over time. It > is a fine line to walk, and many scholars have varying opinions, but we > should practice discrimination and at least be aware of the undisputed > authenticity or questionablility (and the reasons why) of any text we study > in depth. > > Freedom > aum namaH shivaaya > > rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > sohamsa@ .com > Saturday, August 1, 2009 10:43:00 PM > Re: Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara > > > Namaste Arpad ji > > Very interesting and logical mail. I had one question about a paragraph in > your reply. > > > As you are well aware, and this is my next point, it was an accepted > practice by latter day writers to attribute their work (out of modesty, no > doubt) to some well know author ,Rishi, authority of earlier times. Think of > Nagarjuna (which one? There seem to have been several), and to the many, > many treatises attributed to him (including many alchemical works),or Adi > Shankara for that matter. (Did he REALLY authored those tantric treatises?Or > rather, the writers have lovingly, and out of devotion attributed the > tantric works to the great Adi Shankara?) > > Well, in that case nothing in history can be known for sure and things will > always be speculative. One person's speculation versus anothers. Of course > history is far from any exact science and therefore it is these areas where > the conditioning and subconscious biases of the historian/interpret er of > history comes in. There is absolutely no way one can be sure whether > Shankara authored, just like there is no way one can be sure whether a > duplicate of Shankara authored these texts. Therefore, isn't it a better > practise to generally accept that which comes down as the spoken/heard/ > verbally transmitted tradition which pretty much agrees that a Shankara > himself composed what the texts say he has composed? Same with Parashara. > Because otherwise what is the veracity of any primary source in history? And > these texts are more complex when it comes to dating, because the knowledge > propagated cannot be corroborated with complimentary factual texts, unlike > in a standard description of a flow-of-events kind of text. For example, in > a standard history one can always contend that Jaichand was probably not a > traitor because though the Prithviraj Raso says so, there are texts like the > Prithviraja Vijaya by Jonaraja, a Kashmiri historian, of a similar time > period which contradicts this version. But same cannot happen with texts > which are about spiritual knowledge. Therefore, it seems sanest to accept > the author as what the author says himself to be. Otherwise, we end up in an > endless circle of speculation upon speculation without any conclusive proof. > > -Regards >  Rajarshi > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > --- On Sat, 1/8/09, Arpad Joo <panchasila > wrote: > > Arpad Joo <panchasila > > Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara > sohamsa@ .com > Saturday, 1 August, 2009, 9:30 AM > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > Dear Nrsimha-ji > > Before I reply to the issues you have raised, I would like to start by > saying how much respect I have for you and indeed how grateful I am to you > for your many wonderful and numerous contributions to the field of Jyotir > vidya.Everytime I open your JHora, I say a quick thank you to you, and I > hope that the many many micro/mini blessings will reach you speedily. > > But, of course this does not prevent me from voicing disagreements and > raising doubts when I see (perceive) esoteric "oxymorons". (Juxtaposition of > incompatible, and very improbable presuppositions. )Allow me to start: > > > > You have written: > > "I do not accept the chronology of various documents such as Puranas, > Mahabharata, BPHS etc as determined by the so-called "Indologists" , who > were in > all likelihood working with preconceived notions due to their sub-conscious > faith in the chronology of biblical "creation". > > Well, nor do I. But, I am afraid, here you are dragging out 19th century > arguments,which were in vogue in the times of Prof Max Muller 150 years ago. > Much water has passed under the London bridge since.(Not to mention Brooklyn > bridge) Besides, the (friendly) arguments have not been about the chronology > of Vedas,Puranas or indologists. > > I do not understand why you all of a sudden, rather than replying directly > to the questions I have raised, you decide to dwelve into the subconscious > motivation of so called "indologists" . > > Let me state it again: > > According to you, the onset of Kali yuga effected a change in the style of > Sanskrit, which can be measured in the usage of vedic chandas, especially > the abandonment of Anushtup. > The prevalence of Anushtup shows conclusively that the piece (in this case > BPHS) was written by one of the Rishis (before Kali Yuga) > > > > I posit, that both assumption and statements are incorrect. I can show you > an entire genre of sacred Sanskrit literature which was written between > 500-1,200CE which uses Anushtup. > > As you may well be aware, Anushtup is not an especially difficult meter to > write. Any decent Sanskrit student after a few years should be able to > compose acceptable, even flowing verse in anushtup chandah..I am sure that > you are able to do that too. This in itself does't make us Rishis. > > The Sanskrit Praises of 21 Taras, The Mahayana Uttaratantra Shastra > (attributed to Maitreya) among many others are written in Anushtup.. (I have > posted earlier the Sanskrit praises of the 21 Taras , in the files > section.)We all know, that these scriptures emerged about 500CE,Uttara > Tantra shastra even later.) Since these were written in Anushtup, do we now > admit/posit that they were written before the onset of Kali yuga? By one of > the Rishis?This would raise far more questions and very strange ones > indeed.. > > We should be careful with faith based arguments.By that I mean that the line > of reasoning goes like this:" I believe such and such to be trueâ�¦. and > because I believe it, therefore it must be so". This is a Rev. Jerry Falwell > type of bible "scholarship" . > > I remember, some years ago,as  I listened to a revered Tibetan Lama, now a > distinguished Professor of a large European University, a scholar, linguist > and a great practitioner (sadhak)-saying, STATING explicitly, that Tara > vidya in general and the Sanskrit praises of Tara in particular was spoken > directly by the historical Buddha 2,500 years ago.It took all my self > discipline not to dispute this then and there, bit my tongue and quietly > went away, shaking my head.As we all know, there is not a shred of any > evidence to support this, except: "I believe it to be so". Well, this line > of proof is way to thin for me, yet I do respect people's belief. I have > encountered die hard traditionalist who staunchly maintained (on what > evidence?) that Parashara lived 25,000 years ago. (why not 2,5 million years > ago?) > > As you are well aware, and this is my next point, it was an accepted > practice by latter day writers to attribute their work (out of modesty, no > doubt) to some well know author ,Rishi, authority of earlier times. Think of > Nagarjuna (which one? There seem to have been several), and to the many, > many treatises attributed to him (including many alchemical works),or Adi > Shankara for that matter. (Did he REALLY authored those tantric treatises?Or > rather, the writers have lovingly, and out of devotion attributed the > tantric works to the great Adi Shankara?)This also have been a very accepted > practice in western spiritual literature: It is 100% sure that the Great > Work "Mysterium Conjunctionis" , and alchemical masterwork was not written > by the celebrated Saint/mystic of the church St. Thomas Aquinas- yet, it has > been attributed to him, posthumously, and even today (though everybody knows > that this is not the case) all reprints show him as the author.There are > hundreds of examples of this.In quabalistic literature the "Maftea Shlomo", > a mystical/magical work, a sort of lal kitab, was and is attributed to King > Salomon, the wise.(That maybe true in spirit, but not in letter) > > My point is this: rather than elevating BPHS to a level of scripture, on > very scant evidence, take it as it is- a very valuable compendium of > existing astrological practices, systems in usage at around the 18th century > CE. BPHS, great as it is,the text,style is not homogenous, not even and > parts of it are rather disconnected. It is a compendium.If you compare it to > Jaimini, we will find that the latter is a seamless whole,from beginning to > end. This is of course not to say, that one is better than the other.I > certainly could not and would not dare to make any judgment like that. > > > > Now to the last part of your note: > > "In any case, this non-astrological factor is not at all a central piece of > my > article." > > True.Your research was on Shtira dasa, which I find excellent and > valuable..Congratul a tions on your work.Thank you: > > > > With deep respect to all: > > > > AJ > > > > sohamsa@ .com, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: >> >> Namaste Arpad ji, >> >> > please allow me a non astrological comment. >> > >> > As a scholar you should not allow yourself to pen such totally >> > inaccurate statements, because this may be confusing to those members >> > who are less familiar with sanskrit literature. >> > >> > To determine the authenticity and age of a document based on anushtup >> > is a very thin argument indeed. >> > >> > Anushtup was used extensively at around CE 500-1200. BPHS belongs to >> > this period. At the earliest. >> >> I do not accept the chronology of various documents such as Puranas, >> Mahabharata, BPHS etc as determined by the so-called "Indologists" , who >> were in all likelihood working with preconceived notions due to their >> sub-conscious faith in the chronology of biblical "creation". >> >> Forget the chronology. Just look at a simple fact. >> >> Ramayana by Valmiki and Mahabharata and Puranas by Vyasa are almost >> entirely in a simple metre such as Anushtup. Non-astrological literature >> (kaavyas) of Kali yuga by Kalidasa, Bharavi, Bhasa etc predominantly employs >> other fancy and flowery metres. >> >> BPHS by Parasara is almost entirely in Anushtup. Astrological literature >> of Kali yuga by Kalidasa, Varahamihira, Mantreswara etc predominantly >> employs other fancy and flowery metres. >> >> I do not intend to prove anything, but sincere seekers of knowledge of >> rishis should find the above interesting. The previous millennia of Kali >> yuga changed metrical and grammatical styles prevalent in Sanskrit. >> >> > Substance should be the determining factor and not style. >> >> Yes, I mentioned that too. Substance-wise, BPHS stands heads and shoulders >> above all works of Kali yuga. >> >> In any case, this non-astrological factor is not at all a central piece of >> my article. >> >> http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles/ sthiradasa. pdf >> >> Best regards, >> Narasimha >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana >> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.. SriJagan nath.org >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- >> >> ---- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr. wrote: >> > Namaste friends, >> > >> > I have uploaded a free article titled "Sthira Dasa of Parasara" at: >> > >> > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles/ sthiradasa. pdf >> > >> > It gives Parasara's verses on Sthira dasa and Brahma planet, their >> > literal meaning, analysis of things that need to be deduced, clear >> > instructions based on my independent interpretation, a simple interpretation >> > rule I found and 16 examples with all calculations explained in detail. >> > >> > The sixteen examples given in the article illustrate how a very simple >> > rule based on Sthira dasa and Maheswara planet holds true in many charts if >> > you stick to Parasara's instructions, instead of mixing up with the views of >> > Jaimini commentators. >> > >> > My interpretation of Sthira dasa calculation is different from anything >> > I have seen before, but it sticks to Parasara's instructions in a simple and >> > faithful manner. >> > >> > Please feel free to read the article and check for yourself. If you find >> > it useful, please feel free to benefit from it and spread the knowledge. If >> > you find it useless, please ignore it. >> > >> > Best regards, >> > Narasimha >> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- >> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam >> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana >> > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom >> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net >> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org >> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org >> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- >> > > See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out > Buzz. > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > > > -------------------Miejsca, ludzie, wydarzenia.Nowa ods³ona turystyki. 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Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Dear Rafal, The moha-mudgara-stotra (Bhaja Govindam) is quite short, and is very straightforward. There are lots of translations on the internet. Read it for yourself, and you will understand. Some selected advaitic excerpts from this very stotra. Sloka 9 -- Shankara still believes in Jivan-mukti. Sloka 11 -- This world is " mAyA " , and one should strive to enter " brahman-hood " . Sloka 17 -- One who doesn't have gyAna, will not reach " mukti " . Sloka 18 -- Dispassion brings happiness to everyone. Sloka 19 -- When your mind is in " brahman " , you are truly happy. Sloka 20 -- Bhagavad Gita is great. Sloka 23 -- This world is comparable to a dream. Sloka 24 -- There is only Vishnu. See your " AtmA " everywhere. Sloka 26 -- Keep reflecting -- " Who am I? " Though I do occasionally contribute to a blog (http://kalidasa.blogspot.com), it is written entirely in [simple] Samskrit. bhavadiiyaH, ajit 2009/8/5 Rafal G <starsuponme: > > > Dear Ajit > Thank you for broading my understanding. > I would like to read more this by you (blog?). > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > > Elementy potencjalnie niebezpieczne zostały zablokowane. > > > namaste, > > [ I apologize for this non-jyotisha post. ] > > I had a nice discussion with Rafal in private, and I do accept that he > respects all traditions. None the less, he has made two very tall > claims, which are often repeated in Gaudiya circles. > > Claim #1 : Advaitists interpret this Bhaja Govindam in a funny way > Claim #2 : In the last period of Sankara's life, he was not fully > supporting Advaita. > > These are unfounded, often-repeated, incorrect un-truths. > > #1: Shankaracharya was a bhakta who has written many shlokas on many > deities (seen as an apsect of parabrahma). Not only that, but all > advaitins are bhaktas. The current heads of the four AmnAya maths > (Sringeri etc) perform never ending pujas. How much more proof do you > need? Bhaja Govindam is one example of a sloka that teaches bhakti. > Great. What is so special about it? He has also written the Vishnu > Sahasranama Bhashya, kanakadhArA-stotram, Soundarya Lahiri, and many > other stotras on many devatA-s. > > #2: Even with the most biased reading, this " change of heart " is > non-existent. These days, the stotra is called Bhaja Govindam. The > original name was " moha-mudgara-stotra " or " taking a sledge-hammer to > delusion " . That is the first clue to see that this is entirely in line > with all of Shankaracharya's teachings. Secondly, this stotra has many > shlokas, most of which teach dispassion (vairAgya). That is the second > clue. Thirdly, only a few of the shlokas are written by the acharya. > Many slokas in the middle are written by his disciples. And they have > not " changed paramparas, or taught something different " . This is the > third clue. > > Taking the name of " Bhaja Govinda " is a favorite exercise for some > people. However, the parampara that was started by the stotra's author > .... i.e. the parampara through which it's teaching have been handed > down .... this parampara maintains that this shloka fits perfectly > within the tenents of advaita. > > bhavadiiyaH, > > ajit > > 2009/8/2 Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme: >> >> >> hraum krishnaya namah >> Dear Rajarishi >> >> Advaitists interpret this Bhaja Govindam in very funny way to prove that >> the >> last period of Sankaras'life He was fully supporting Advaita Path. >> >> From poor black-white logic this can seem as something weird, but those >> beings are seeing philosophical things in more fluid way, therefore >> brahmana >> signs are watery. >> >> We tend to put reality in words and ideas which our mind is comfortable to >> digest, but its all about energies and attitude. >> >> Regards >> Rafal Gendarz >> SJC Jyotish Guru >> -------------- >> Consultations & Pages >> http://rohinaa.com >> rafal >> >> >> >> rajarshi nandy pisze: >> >> >> Namaste Freedom ji >> >> With due respect, a few point I would like to clear up.. >> >> >> have 100 percent proof that this is the only right way and everyone else >> is >> wrong- not that you are getting fundamental, but the seeds of >> fundamentalism >> lie in throwing away logic and having blind faith. >> >> Could not have agreed more with you. However, it is precisely about logic >> that I am speaking. Faith has it's place and so does logic. When we are >> discussing things like history we should be entirely logical and not only >> accept that which fits but also be careful of not making any assumptions >> on >> our part unless we have unquestionable evidence. >> >> >> For example, the Tantric text, Prapanchasara (attributed to Adi >> Sankara) has >> Vaisnava philosophy and related mantras that were not approved by Shankara >> in his Brahma Sutras. For example, Shankara said in the Brahma Sutras >> that >> the concept of Shankarshana (who creates the jiva) is incorrect because >> the >> jiva is not created at all, so why would he give mantras for worshipping >> Shankarshana in a vaisnava format in his tantric text? >> Many texts are recordings of older teachings orally transmitted for >> millenium and we must not discredit them, but we must be aware of >> additions, >> changes, psuedo-authorship or other such things which happen over time. It >> is a fine line to walk, and many scholars have varying opinions, but we >> should practice discrimination and at least be aware of the undisputed >> authenticity or questionablility (and the reasons why) of any text we >> study >> in depth. >> >> While I again agree that corruptions over time and pseudo - scholarships >> are >> a definite possibility, but that is something we must determined based >> more >> sound logic. For example, if one questions Shankaras giving mantras for >> Shankarshara, while the question is absolutely logical, it also further >> begs >> the questions as to why did Shanakara author the 12 slokas of >> Bhajagovindam >> or the Saundaryalahari when Shankara very well in his Brahma Sutras >> distinguishes between Ishwara and Brahmana. As far his interpretation of >> the >> Brahma Sutra and concept of Jiva, he maintains (so I have read from >> various >> commentaries on Shankara's ideas) that Jiva is not created with respect to >> the Atman, but, when the light of the Atman falls on Maya and Avidya, the >> creation of Jiva becomes immanent. Just like, often people tend to >> suggest, >> taking one single line from the Vivekchudamani that Shankara was all about >> " Brahma satya and Jagat mithya " , however, he himself in various works >> poses >> arguments to suggest that this is with a specific refernce frame, that is >> Brahmana. He infact at places endorses a mixed view on Maya, saying, >> through >> arguments, that is actually unknowable rather than a categorical unreal. >> >> The main point of my argument is that, why is Shanakara considered almost >> the fountainhead of the Srividya tradition unless you are suggesting this >> whole idea is a corruption and he never composed the SaundaryaLahari or >> even >> the 12 slokas of the Bhajagovindam for that matter. And if he could >> compose >> these, I find it plausible that he could have authored more specific >> tantrik >> texts as well. >> >> Anyway, as I had said, history is more speculation than anything else and >> every argument will have its pros and cons. >> >> -Regards >>  Rajarshi >> >> >> The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra >> >> --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Freedomji <freeflowaum@ > wrote: >> >> Freedomji <freeflowaum@ > >> Re: Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara >> sohamsa@ .com >> Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 11:01 PM >> >> >> Hare Rama Krsna >> >> Rajarshi, I would really rather not involve myself in the discusssion but >> we >> should be clear that we need to have proper discrimination when looking at >> a >> text. Religious fundamentalists believe whatever their religion tells >> them: >> this is not a vedic philosophy. I always refer to the nasadiya suktam that >> supports their to be some questioning and not a need to have 100 percent >> proof that this is the only right way and everyone else is wrong- not that >> you are getting fundamental, but the seeds of fundamentalism lie in >> throwing >> away logic and having blind faith. >> For example, the Tantric text, Prapanchasara (attributed to Adi >> Sankara) has >> Vaisnava philosophy and related mantras that were not approved by Shankara >> in his Brahma Sutras. For example, Shankara said in the Brahma Sutras >> that >> the concept of Shankarshana (who creates the jiva) is incorrect because >> the >> jiva is not created at all, so why would he give mantras for worshipping >> Shankarshana in a vaisnava format in his tantric text? >> Many texts are recordings of older teachings orally transmitted for >> millenium and we must not discredit them, but we must be aware of >> additions, >> changes, psuedo-authorship or other such things which happen over time. It >> is a fine line to walk, and many scholars have varying opinions, but we >> should practice discrimination and at least be aware of the undisputed >> authenticity or questionablility (and the reasons why) of any text we >> study >> in depth. >> >> Freedom >> aum namaH shivaaya >> >> rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in> >> sohamsa@ .com >> Saturday, August 1, 2009 10:43:00 PM >> Re: Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara >> >> >> Namaste Arpad ji >> >> Very interesting and logical mail. I had one question about a paragraph in >> your reply. >> >> >> As you are well aware, and this is my next point, it was an accepted >> practice by latter day writers to attribute their work (out of modesty, no >> doubt) to some well know author ,Rishi, authority of earlier times. Think >> of >> Nagarjuna (which one? There seem to have been several), and to the many, >> many treatises attributed to him (including many alchemical works),or Adi >> Shankara for that matter. (Did he REALLY authored those tantric >> treatises?Or >> rather, the writers have lovingly, and out of devotion attributed the >> tantric works to the great Adi Shankara?) >> >> Well, in that case nothing in history can be known for sure and things >> will >> always be speculative. One person's speculation versus anothers. Of course >> history is far from any exact science and therefore it is these areas >> where >> the conditioning and subconscious biases of the historian/interpret er of >> history comes in. There is absolutely no way one can be sure whether >> Shankara authored, just like there is no way one can be sure whether a >> duplicate of Shankara authored these texts. Therefore, isn't it a better >> practise to generally accept that which comes down as the spoken/heard/ >> verbally transmitted tradition which pretty much agrees that a Shankara >> himself composed what the texts say he has composed? Same with Parashara. >> Because otherwise what is the veracity of any primary source in history? >> And >> these texts are more complex when it comes to dating, because the >> knowledge >> propagated cannot be corroborated with complimentary factual texts, unlike >> in a standard description of a flow-of-events kind of text. For example, >> in >> a standard history one can always contend that Jaichand was probably not a >> traitor because though the Prithviraj Raso says so, there are texts like >> the >> Prithviraja Vijaya by Jonaraja, a Kashmiri historian, of a similar time >> period which contradicts this version. But same cannot happen with >> texts >> which are about spiritual knowledge. Therefore, it seems sanest to accept >> the author as what the author says himself to be. Otherwise, we end up in >> an >> endless circle of speculation upon speculation without any conclusive >> proof. >> >> -Regards >>  Rajarshi >> >> The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra >> >> --- On Sat, 1/8/09, Arpad Joo <panchasila > wrote: >> >> Arpad Joo <panchasila > >> Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara >> sohamsa@ .com >> Saturday, 1 August, 2009, 9:30 AM >> >> >> Hare Rama Krishna, >> Dear Nrsimha-ji >> >> Before I reply to the issues you have raised, I would like to start by >> saying how much respect I have for you and indeed how grateful I am to >> you >> for your many wonderful and numerous contributions to the field of Jyotir >> vidya.Everytime I open your JHora, I say a quick thank you to you, and I >> hope that the many many micro/mini blessings will reach you speedily. >> >> But, of course this does not prevent me from voicing disagreements and >> raising doubts when I see (perceive) esoteric " oxymorons " . (Juxtaposition >> of >> incompatible, and very improbable presuppositions. )Allow me to start: >> >> >> >> You have written: >> >> " I do not accept the chronology of various documents such as Puranas, >> Mahabharata, BPHS etc as determined by the so-called " Indologists " , who >> were in >> all likelihood working with preconceived notions due to their >> sub-conscious >> faith in the chronology of biblical " creation " . >> >> Well, nor do I. But, I am afraid, here you are dragging out 19th century >> arguments,which were in vogue in the times of Prof Max Muller 150 years >> ago. >> Much water has passed under the London bridge since.(Not to mention >> Brooklyn >> bridge) Besides, the (friendly) arguments have not been about the >> chronology >> of Vedas,Puranas or indologists. >> >> I do not understand why you all of a sudden, rather than replying directly >> to the questions I have raised, you decide to dwelve into the subconscious >> motivation of so called " indologists " . >> >> Let me state it again: >> >> According to you, the onset of Kali yuga effected a change in the style of >> Sanskrit, which can be measured in the usage of vedic chandas, especially >> the abandonment of Anushtup. >> The prevalence of Anushtup shows conclusively that the piece (in this case >> BPHS) was written by one of the Rishis (before Kali Yuga) >> >> >> >> I posit, that both assumption and statements are incorrect. I can show you >> an entire genre of sacred Sanskrit literature which was written between >> 500-1,200CE which uses Anushtup. >> >> As you may well be aware, Anushtup is not an especially difficult meter to >> write. Any decent Sanskrit student after a few years should be able to >> compose acceptable, even flowing verse in anushtup chandah..I am sure that >> you are able to do that too. This in itself does't make us Rishis. >> >> The Sanskrit Praises of 21 Taras, The Mahayana Uttaratantra Shastra >> (attributed to Maitreya) among many others are written in Anushtup.. (I >> have >> posted earlier the Sanskrit praises of the 21 Taras , in the files >> section.)We all know, that these scriptures emerged about 500CE,Uttara >> Tantra shastra even later.) Since these were written in Anushtup, do we >> now >> admit/posit that they were written before the onset of Kali yuga? By one >> of >> the Rishis?This would raise far more questions and very strange ones >> indeed.. >> >> We should be careful with faith based arguments.By that I mean that the >> line >> of reasoning goes like this: " I believe such and such to be trueâ�Ś. and >> because I believe it, therefore it must be so " . This is a Rev. Jerry >> Falwell >> type of bible " scholarship " . >> >> I remember, some years ago,as  I listened to a revered Tibetan Lama, now >> a >> distinguished Professor of a large European University, a scholar, >> linguist >> and a great practitioner (sadhak)-saying, STATING explicitly, that Tara >> vidya in general and the Sanskrit praises of Tara in particular was spoken >> directly by the historical Buddha 2,500 years ago.It took all my self >> discipline not to dispute this then and there, bit my tongue and quietly >> went away, shaking my head.As we all know, there is not a shred of any >> evidence to support this, except: " I believe it to be so " . Well, this line >> of proof is way to thin for me, yet I do respect people's belief. I have >> encountered die hard traditionalist who staunchly maintained (on what >> evidence?) that Parashara lived 25,000 years ago. (why not 2,5 million >> years >> ago?) >> >> As you are well aware, and this is my next point, it was an accepted >> practice by latter day writers to attribute their work (out of modesty, no >> doubt) to some well know author ,Rishi, authority of earlier times. Think >> of >> Nagarjuna (which one? There seem to have been several), and to the many, >> many treatises attributed to him (including many alchemical works),or Adi >> Shankara for that matter. (Did he REALLY authored those tantric >> treatises?Or >> rather, the writers have lovingly, and out of devotion attributed the >> tantric works to the great Adi Shankara?)This also have been a very >> accepted >> practice in western spiritual literature: It is 100% sure that the Great >> Work " Mysterium Conjunctionis " , and alchemical masterwork was not written >> by the celebrated Saint/mystic of the church St. Thomas Aquinas- yet, it >> has >> been attributed to him, posthumously, and even today (though everybody >> knows >> that this is not the case) all reprints show him as the author.There are >> hundreds of examples of this.In quabalistic literature the " Maftea >> Shlomo " , >> a mystical/magical work, a sort of lal kitab, was and is attributed to >> King >> Salomon, the wise.(That maybe true in spirit, but not in letter) >> >> My point is this: rather than elevating BPHS to a level of scripture, on >> very scant evidence, take it as it is- a very valuable compendium of >> existing astrological practices, systems in usage at around the 18th >> century >> CE. BPHS, great as it is,the text,style is not homogenous, not even and >> parts of it are rather disconnected. It is a compendium.If you compare it >> to >> Jaimini, we will find that the latter is a seamless whole,from beginning >> to >> end. This is of course not to say, that one is better than the other.I >> certainly could not and would not dare to make any judgment like that. >> >> >> >> Now to the last part of your note: >> >> " In any case, this non-astrological factor is not at all a central piece >> of >> my >> article. " >> >> True.Your research was on Shtira dasa, which I find excellent and >> valuable..Congratul a tions on your work.Thank you: >> >> >> >> With deep respect to all: >> >> >> >> AJ >> >> >> >> sohamsa@ .com, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: >>> >>> Namaste Arpad ji, >>> >>> > please allow me a non astrological comment. >>> > >>> > As a scholar you should not allow yourself to pen such totally >>> > inaccurate statements, because this may be confusing to those members >>> > who are less familiar with sanskrit literature. >>> > >>> > To determine the authenticity and age of a document based on anushtup >>> > is a very thin argument indeed. >>> > >>> > Anushtup was used extensively at around CE 500-1200. BPHS belongs to >>> > this period. At the earliest. >>> >>> I do not accept the chronology of various documents such as Puranas, >>> Mahabharata, BPHS etc as determined by the so-called " Indologists " , who >>> were in all likelihood working with preconceived notions due to their >>> sub-conscious faith in the chronology of biblical " creation " . >>> >>> Forget the chronology. Just look at a simple fact. >>> >>> Ramayana by Valmiki and Mahabharata and Puranas by Vyasa are almost >>> entirely in a simple metre such as Anushtup. Non-astrological literature >>> (kaavyas) of Kali yuga by Kalidasa, Bharavi, Bhasa etc predominantly >>> employs >>> other fancy and flowery metres. >>> >>> BPHS by Parasara is almost entirely in Anushtup. Astrological literature >>> of Kali yuga by Kalidasa, Varahamihira, Mantreswara etc predominantly >>> employs other fancy and flowery metres. >>> >>> I do not intend to prove anything, but sincere seekers of knowledge of >>> rishis should find the above interesting. The previous millennia of Kali >>> yuga changed metrical and grammatical styles prevalent in Sanskrit. >>> >>> > Substance should be the determining factor and not style. >>> >>> Yes, I mentioned that too. Substance-wise, BPHS stands heads and >>> shoulders >>> above all works of Kali yuga. >>> >>> In any case, this non-astrological factor is not at all a central piece >>> of >>> my article. >>> >>> http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles/ sthiradasa. pdf >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Narasimha >>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- >>> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam >>> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana >>> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom >>> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net >>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org >>> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.. SriJagan nath.org >>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- >>> >>> ---- " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " pvr. wrote: >>> > Namaste friends, >>> > >>> > I have uploaded a free article titled " Sthira Dasa of Parasara " at: >>> > >>> > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles/ sthiradasa. pdf >>> > >>> > It gives Parasara's verses on Sthira dasa and Brahma planet, their >>> > literal meaning, analysis of things that need to be deduced, clear >>> > instructions based on my independent interpretation, a simple >>> > interpretation >>> > rule I found and 16 examples with all calculations explained in detail. >>> > >>> > The sixteen examples given in the article illustrate how a very simple >>> > rule based on Sthira dasa and Maheswara planet holds true in many >>> > charts if >>> > you stick to Parasara's instructions, instead of mixing up with the >>> > views of >>> > Jaimini commentators. >>> > >>> > My interpretation of Sthira dasa calculation is different from anything >>> > I have seen before, but it sticks to Parasara's instructions in a >>> > simple and >>> > faithful manner. >>> > >>> > Please feel free to read the article and check for yourself. If you >>> > find >>> > it useful, please feel free to benefit from it and spread the >>> > knowledge. If >>> > you find it useless, please ignore it. >>> > >>> > Best regards, >>> > Narasimha >>> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- >>> > --------- >>> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam >>> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana >>> > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom >>> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net >>> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org >>> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org >>> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- >>> > --------- >>> >> >> See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out >> >> Buzz. >> >> Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Namaste friends, It was pointed out that birthdata given in example 16 (Swami Sivananda) is wrong. Due to a cut & paste error, the birthdata is that of Mahatma Gandhi. The correct birthdata of Swami Sivananda is given in the middle of the chart corresponding to example 16, but the data at the beginning of the example is wrong. No calculations later were affected by this cut & paste error. I corrected it and also reformated it to remove a big blank area in one of the early pages. You can download the modified version at the same place: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles/sthiradasa.pdf Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - Narasimha P.V.R. Rao sjc-guru ; sohamsa ; ; sjcBoston ; vedic astrology Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:16 PM A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara Namaste friends, I have uploaded a free article titled " Sthira Dasa of Parasara " at: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles/sthiradasa.pdf It gives Parasara's verses on Sthira dasa and Brahma planet, their literal meaning, analysis of things that need to be deduced, clear instructions based on my independent interpretation, a simple interpretation rule I found and 16 examples with all calculations explained in detail. The sixteen examples given in the article illustrate how a very simple rule based on Sthira dasa and Maheswara planet holds true in many charts if you stick to Parasara's instructions, instead of mixing up with the views of Jaimini commentators. My interpretation of Sthira dasa calculation is different from anything I have seen before, but it sticks to Parasara's instructions in a simple and faithful manner. Please feel free to read the article and check for yourself. If you find it useful, please feel free to benefit from it and spread the knowledge. If you find it useless, please ignore it. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Namaste friends, It was pointed out that birthdata given in example 16 (Swami Sivananda) is wrong. Due to a cut & paste error, the birthdata is that of Mahatma Gandhi. The correct birthdata of Swami Sivananda is given in the middle of the chart corresponding to example 16, but the data at the beginning of the example is wrong. No calculations later were affected by this cut & paste error. I corrected it and also reformated it to remove a big blank area in one of the early pages. You can download the modified version at the same place: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles/sthiradasa.pdf Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - Narasimha P.V.R. Rao sjc-guru ; sohamsa ; ; sjcBoston ; vedic astrology Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:16 PM A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara Namaste friends, I have uploaded a free article titled " Sthira Dasa of Parasara " at: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles/sthiradasa.pdf It gives Parasara's verses on Sthira dasa and Brahma planet, their literal meaning, analysis of things that need to be deduced, clear instructions based on my independent interpretation, a simple interpretation rule I found and 16 examples with all calculations explained in detail. The sixteen examples given in the article illustrate how a very simple rule based on Sthira dasa and Maheswara planet holds true in many charts if you stick to Parasara's instructions, instead of mixing up with the views of Jaimini commentators. My interpretation of Sthira dasa calculation is different from anything I have seen before, but it sticks to Parasara's instructions in a simple and faithful manner. Please feel free to read the article and check for yourself. If you find it useful, please feel free to benefit from it and spread the knowledge. If you find it useless, please ignore it. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Namaste, For dasas like Chara, Sthira etc, Parasara unambiguosly taught how to find antardasas. But I intentionally left it out to keep the paper simple and focused on simple calculations and simple judgment. The simple principle I showed does not allow you to pin-point death. In fact, even if I find a principle that helps us pin-point it, I will never obviously share it publicly and limit it to a handful of trusted friends. The principle I taught has a probability of 33%. But, when I tried it on 50 charts, it worked in 70%. That is statistically significant and hence I shared it. However, obviously, there will be counter-examples. In Dr Raman's case, Gemini dasa brought his end as you said. I saw a few other examples also, in which the 7th or a trine from the 8th lord from AK did not kill, but the 7th or a trine from the 8th house from AK killed. That is the case here (Sg is the 8th from AK and Ge is 7th from it). There may be other principles to pick the 8th from AK or 8th lord from AK as the seed of death, but I wanted to keep it simple. A simple 33% random chance principle that works in 70% charts was sufficient for my purpose of demonstrating the value of Parasara's BPHS. There are so many other things like dasa pravesha chakras, transits etc, which I completely ignored! For example, notice Ketu in Ge and Moon and Rahu in 7th in Ge Sthira dasa pravesha chakra of Dr Raman. I will leave the rest to intelligent astrologers. My main message is: Parasara is a very valuable resource and do not ignore him in the middle of the confusion created by a lot of equally confident Jaimini commentators and scholars who interpret Jaimini in different ways! Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org sohamsa , " chandan486 " <wavelogix wrote: > > sri ganeshaya namah > > dear narasimha , > namaste. > > wonderful sthira dasa paper and i really enjoyed reading this concept and understanding it. > > however there a few queries i had in mind. > > the dasas of the signs in trines or 7th from Maheshwara can bring death to the native ? how would usually 1 pinpoint the exact sign amongst the 4 candidates that would bring death ? > > should the auspicicusness and strenght of the lords of the signs be examined to narrow down ? also , should we cross check with the vimshottari dasa to see if suimultaneously a marak graha dasa happens to coincide @ the same time ? > > also , any rules on finding the exact antar dasa withhin the speficied dasa of death ? your epaper just mentions death mahadashas. > > i was going through the chart of Prof B V raman , maheshwara is Ju and he is in Sc. > > trines and 7th to Sc are , Cn , Pi , Ta and Sc itself. > he passed away in 1996 . vimshottari dasa of venus had started and venus is indeed a marak which explains it . > > but sthira dasa of Ta ended on 1992 and according to sthira dasa he died in the dasa of Ge , which is not possible ? > > could u please explain this ? or is it some dasa calculation error on the part of JHora or some faulty birth data ? > > im using > > C:\Program Files\Jagannatha Hora\data\Prof. B. V. Raman > > Natal Chart > > August 8, 1912 > Time: 7:38:00 pm > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 77 E 35' 00 " , 12 N 59' 00 " > Altitude: 0.98 meters > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Nija Ashadha > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (94.62% left) > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju) > Nakshatra: Mrigasira (Ma) (95.89% left) > Yoga: Vyaghata (Ve) (46.62% left) > Karana: Bava (Su) (89.24% left) > Hora Lord: Saturn (5 min sign: Ge) > Mahakala Hora: Saturn (5 min sign: Ar) > Kaala Lord: Moon (Mahakala: Rahu) > > Sunrise: 6:08:37 am > Sunset: 6:41:37 pm > Janma Ghatis: 33.7241 > > Ayanamsa: 22-23-25.48 > Sidereal Time: 16:25:11 > > thanks and great respect , > > chandan s sabarwal. > > sohamsa , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > I have uploaded a free article titled " Sthira Dasa of Parasara " at: > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles/sthiradasa.pdf > > > > It gives Parasara's verses on Sthira dasa and Brahma planet, their literal meaning, analysis of things that need to be deduced, clear instructions based on my independent interpretation, a simple interpretation rule I found and 16 examples with all calculations explained in detail. > > > > The sixteen examples given in the article illustrate how a very simple rule based on Sthira dasa and Maheswara planet holds true in many charts if you stick to Parasara's instructions, instead of mixing up with the views of Jaimini commentators. > > > > My interpretation of Sthira dasa calculation is different from anything I have seen before, but it sticks to Parasara's instructions in a simple and faithful manner. > > > > Please feel free to read the article and check for yourself. If you find it useful, please feel free to benefit from it and spread the knowledge. If you find it useless, please ignore it. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Namaste, For dasas like Chara, Sthira etc, Parasara unambiguosly taught how to find antardasas. But I intentionally left it out to keep the paper simple and focused on simple calculations and simple judgment. The simple principle I showed does not allow you to pin-point death. In fact, even if I find a principle that helps us pin-point it, I will never obviously share it publicly and limit it to a handful of trusted friends. The principle I taught has a probability of 33%. But, when I tried it on 50 charts, it worked in 70%. That is statistically significant and hence I shared it. However, obviously, there will be counter-examples. In Dr Raman's case, Gemini dasa brought his end as you said. I saw a few other examples also, in which the 7th or a trine from the 8th lord from AK did not kill, but the 7th or a trine from the 8th house from AK killed. That is the case here (Sg is the 8th from AK and Ge is 7th from it). There may be other principles to pick the 8th from AK or 8th lord from AK as the seed of death, but I wanted to keep it simple. A simple 33% random chance principle that works in 70% charts was sufficient for my purpose of demonstrating the value of Parasara's BPHS. There are so many other things like dasa pravesha chakras, transits etc, which I completely ignored! For example, notice Ketu in Ge and Moon and Rahu in 7th in Ge Sthira dasa pravesha chakra of Dr Raman. I will leave the rest to intelligent astrologers. My main message is: Parasara is a very valuable resource and do not ignore him in the middle of the confusion created by a lot of equally confident Jaimini commentators and scholars who interpret Jaimini in different ways! Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org sohamsa , " chandan486 " <wavelogix wrote: > > sri ganeshaya namah > > dear narasimha , > namaste. > > wonderful sthira dasa paper and i really enjoyed reading this concept and understanding it. > > however there a few queries i had in mind. > > the dasas of the signs in trines or 7th from Maheshwara can bring death to the native ? how would usually 1 pinpoint the exact sign amongst the 4 candidates that would bring death ? > > should the auspicicusness and strenght of the lords of the signs be examined to narrow down ? also , should we cross check with the vimshottari dasa to see if suimultaneously a marak graha dasa happens to coincide @ the same time ? > > also , any rules on finding the exact antar dasa withhin the speficied dasa of death ? your epaper just mentions death mahadashas. > > i was going through the chart of Prof B V raman , maheshwara is Ju and he is in Sc. > > trines and 7th to Sc are , Cn , Pi , Ta and Sc itself. > he passed away in 1996 . vimshottari dasa of venus had started and venus is indeed a marak which explains it . > > but sthira dasa of Ta ended on 1992 and according to sthira dasa he died in the dasa of Ge , which is not possible ? > > could u please explain this ? or is it some dasa calculation error on the part of JHora or some faulty birth data ? > > im using > > C:\Program Files\Jagannatha Hora\data\Prof. B. V. Raman > > Natal Chart > > August 8, 1912 > Time: 7:38:00 pm > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 77 E 35' 00 " , 12 N 59' 00 " > Altitude: 0.98 meters > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Nija Ashadha > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (94.62% left) > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju) > Nakshatra: Mrigasira (Ma) (95.89% left) > Yoga: Vyaghata (Ve) (46.62% left) > Karana: Bava (Su) (89.24% left) > Hora Lord: Saturn (5 min sign: Ge) > Mahakala Hora: Saturn (5 min sign: Ar) > Kaala Lord: Moon (Mahakala: Rahu) > > Sunrise: 6:08:37 am > Sunset: 6:41:37 pm > Janma Ghatis: 33.7241 > > Ayanamsa: 22-23-25.48 > Sidereal Time: 16:25:11 > > thanks and great respect , > > chandan s sabarwal. > > sohamsa , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > I have uploaded a free article titled " Sthira Dasa of Parasara " at: > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles/sthiradasa.pdf > > > > It gives Parasara's verses on Sthira dasa and Brahma planet, their literal meaning, analysis of things that need to be deduced, clear instructions based on my independent interpretation, a simple interpretation rule I found and 16 examples with all calculations explained in detail. > > > > The sixteen examples given in the article illustrate how a very simple rule based on Sthira dasa and Maheswara planet holds true in many charts if you stick to Parasara's instructions, instead of mixing up with the views of Jaimini commentators. > > > > My interpretation of Sthira dasa calculation is different from anything I have seen before, but it sticks to Parasara's instructions in a simple and faithful manner. > > > > Please feel free to read the article and check for yourself. If you find it useful, please feel free to benefit from it and spread the knowledge. If you find it useless, please ignore it. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Narasimha,When calculating the Brahma planet I can see how you have translated the sanskrit (verse 171):shashta = 6, ashta = 8, vyaya = 12, natha = lord, bala = strength, visama = odd.But where do you get 'sign'?Regards,MichalNarasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvrTo: vedic astrology ; sjcBoston ; ; sohamsa ; sjc-guru Sent: Monday, 10 August, 2009 1:41:52 PM Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara Namaste friends, It was pointed out that birthdata given in example 16 (Swami Sivananda) is wrong. Due to a cut & paste error, the birthdata is that of Mahatma Gandhi. The correct birthdata of Swami Sivananda is given in the middle of the chart corresponding to example 16, but the data at the beginning of the example is wrong. No calculations later were affected by this cut & paste error. I corrected it and also reformated it to remove a big blank area in one of the early pages. You can download the modified version at the same place: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles/ sthiradasa. pdf Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Narasimha P.V.R. Rao sjc-guru@ s.com ; sohamsa@ .com ; ; sjcBoston@grou ps.com ; vedic astrology Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:16 PM A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara Namaste friends, I have uploaded a free article titled "Sthira Dasa of Parasara" at: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles/ sthiradasa. pdf It gives Parasara's verses on Sthira dasa and Brahma planet, their literal meaning, analysis of things that need to be deduced, clear instructions based on my independent interpretation, a simple interpretation rule I found and 16 examples with all calculations explained in detail. The sixteen examples given in the article illustrate how a very simple rule based on Sthira dasa and Maheswara planet holds true in many charts if you stick to Parasara's instructions, instead of mixing up with the views of Jaimini commentators. My interpretation of Sthira dasa calculation is different from anything I have seen before, but it sticks to Parasara's instructions in a simple and faithful manner. Please feel free to read the article and check for yourself. If you find it useful, please feel free to benefit from it and spread the knowledge. If you find it useless, please ignore it. Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- Reading this email at work? Make a change with Xtra Jobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 sri ganeshaya namah dear narasimha, namaste. thanks for the reply. as you have stated , the rate of accuracy with sthira dasa is 70 %, but i personally found out that sthira dasa when combined with bramha dasa , gave me 100% accuracy atleast within 1 year time frame of death. and i personally tested this on around 15-20 charts. also when you mention transits, transits from natal moon are to be given most importance , i guess? transits from moon in various vargas is also okay , but when the moon has occupied a particular rasi in the natal chart , how can it occupy another rasi in a varga? its just a sort of division , only used for vaisheshikamsa purposes i guess. becuase then judging transits based on different moon positions in different vargas could give inconsistent results. so i think the natal moon transit should only be considered. comments please. many thanks and humble regards, chandan s sabarwal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Namaste, I am using iTrans transliteration. viShamarkShagaH = viShama + R^ikSha + gaH viShama = odd R^ikSha = sign gaH = one who has gone into Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org sohamsa , Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > Dear Narasimha, > > When calculating the Brahma planet I can see how you have translated the sanskrit (verse 171): > > shashta = 6, ashta = 8, vyaya = 12, natha = lord, bala = strength, visama = odd. > > But where do you get 'sign'? > > Regards, > Michal > > > > > ________________________________ > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr > vedic astrology ; sjcBoston ; ; sohamsa ; sjc-guru > Monday, 10 August, 2009 1:41:52 PM > Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara > > > Namaste friends, > > It was pointed out that birthdata given in example > 16 (Swami Sivananda) is wrong. Due to a cut & paste error, the birthdata is > that of Mahatma Gandhi. The correct birthdata of Swami Sivananda is given in the > middle of the chart corresponding to example 16, but the data at the beginning > of the example is wrong. No calculations later were affected by this cut > & paste error. I corrected it and also reformated it to remove a big > blank area in one of the early pages. > > You can download the modified version at the same > place: > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles/ sthiradasa. pdf > > Best > regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > Do > a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > Do > Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > Free > Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > Free > Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Sri > Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > - > >Narasimha P.V.R. > > Rao > >sjc-guru@ s.com ; sohamsa@ .com ; @ . com ; > > sjcBoston@grou ps.com ; vedic astrology > >Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:16 > > PM > >A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of > > Parasara > > > > > >Namaste friends, > > > >I have uploaded a free article titled " Sthira > > Dasa of Parasara " at: > > > >http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles/ sthiradasa. pdf > > > >It gives Parasara's verses on Sthira dasa and > > Brahma planet, their literal meaning, analysis of things that need to be > > deduced, clear instructions based on my independent interpretation, a > > simple interpretation rule I found and 16 examples with all calculations > > explained in detail. > > > >The sixteen examples given in the article > > illustrate how a very simple rule based on Sthira dasa and Maheswara planet > > holds true in many charts if you stick to Parasara's instructions, instead of > > mixing up with the views of Jaimini commentators. > > > >My interpretation of Sthira dasa calculation is > > different from anything I have seen before, but it sticks to Parasara's > > instructions in a simple and faithful manner. > > > >Please feel free to read the article and check > > for yourself. If you find it useful, please feel free to benefit from it and > > spread the knowledge. If you find it useless, please ignore it. > > > >Best > > regards, > >Narasimha > >------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > >Do > > a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > >Do > > Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > >Spirituality: > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > >Free > > Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > >Free > > Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > >Sri > > Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > >------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Narasimha,Never mind, I see it's a sandhi rule.So we are looking for the graha in an odd sign - got it, it's very clear now.Regards,MichalMichal Dziwulski <nearmichalsohamsa Sent: Wednesday, 12 August, 2009 2:56:23 PMRe: Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Narasimha,In the article you have the sanskrit as:viShamarkShagaHrather than:viShamaR^ikShagaHAre you sure you have the correct spelling? As this would certainly affect your 'literal translation without any spin or interpretation' . Please clarify.Regards,Michal Narasimha Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net>sohamsa@ .comWednesday, 12 August, 2009 6:17:43 AM Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara Namaste, I am using iTrans transliteration. viShamarkShagaH = viShama + R^ikSha + gaH viShama = odd R^ikSha = sign gaH = one who has gone into Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - sohamsa@ .com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > Dear Narasimha, > > When calculating the Brahma planet I can see how you have translated the sanskrit (verse 171): > > shashta = 6, ashta = 8, vyaya = 12, natha = lord, bala = strength, visama = odd. > > But where do you get 'sign'? > > Regards, > Michal > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr > vedic astrology; sjcBoston@grou ps.com; ; sohamsa@ .com; sjc-guru@ s.com > Monday, 10 August, 2009 1:41:52 PM > Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara > > > Namaste friends, > > It was pointed out that birthdata given in example > 16 (Swami Sivananda) is wrong. Due to a cut & paste error, the birthdata is > that of Mahatma Gandhi. The correct birthdata of Swami Sivananda is given in the > middle of the chart corresponding to example 16, but the data at the beginning > of the example is wrong. No calculations later were affected by this cut > & paste error. I corrected it and also reformated it to remove a big > blank area in one of the early pages. > > You can download the modified version at the same > place: > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles/ sthiradasa. pdf > > Best > regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > Do > a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > Do > Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > Free > Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > Free > Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Sri > Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > - > >Narasimha P.V.R. > > Rao > >sjc-guru@ s.com ; sohamsa@ .com ; ; > > sjcBoston@grou ps.com ; vedic astrology > >Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:16 > > PM > >A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of > > Parasara > > > > > >Namaste friends, > > > >I have uploaded a free article titled "Sthira > > Dasa of Parasara" at: > > > >http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles/ sthiradasa. pdf > > > >It gives Parasara's verses on Sthira dasa and > > Brahma planet, their literal meaning, analysis of things that need to be > > deduced, clear instructions based on my independent interpretation, a > > simple interpretation rule I found and 16 examples with all calculations > > explained in detail. > > > >The sixteen examples given in the article > > illustrate how a very simple rule based on Sthira dasa and Maheswara planet > > holds true in many charts if you stick to Parasara's instructions, instead of > > mixing up with the views of Jaimini commentators. > > > >My interpretation of Sthira dasa calculation is > > different from anything I have seen before, but it sticks to Parasara's > > instructions in a simple and faithful manner. > > > >Please feel free to read the article and check > > for yourself. If you find it useful, please feel free to benefit from it and > > spread the knowledge. If you find it useless, please ignore it. > > > >Best > > regards, > >Narasimha > >----------- - --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > >Do > > a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > >Do > > Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > >Spirituality: > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > >Free > > Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > >Free > > Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > >Sri > > Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > >----------- - --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > Email slow, clunky, unreliable? Switch to Xtra Mail, New Zealand's new email address. Hungry? Try some spicy marinated chicken fillets for dinner tonight, courtesy of Xtra Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 oṠgurave namaḥ Dear Michal Rîksa also refers to nakṣatra and can mean houses and constellations as well. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath WebPages: http://srath.com Jaimini Scholar: http://sohamsa.com SJC: http://.org Jyotish Digest, Books: http://sagittariuspublications.com sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 12 August 2009 08:50 sohamsa Re: Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Narasimha, Never mind, I see it's a sandhi rule. So we are looking for the graha in an odd sign - got it, it's very clear now. Regards, Michal Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal sohamsa Wednesday, 12 August, 2009 2:56:23 PM Re: Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Narasimha, In the article you have the sanskrit as: viShamarkShagaH rather than: viShamaR^ikShagaH Are you sure you have the correct spelling? As this would certainly affect your 'literal translation without any spin or interpretation' . Please clarify. Regards, Michal Narasimha Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> sohamsa@ .com Wednesday, 12 August, 2009 6:17:43 AM Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara Namaste, I am using iTrans transliteration. viShamarkShagaH = viShama + R^ikSha + gaH viShama = odd R^ikSha = sign gaH = one who has gone into Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - sohamsa@ ..com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > Dear Narasimha, > > When calculating the Brahma planet I can see how you have translated the sanskrit (verse 171): > > shashta = 6, ashta = 8, vyaya = 12, natha = lord, bala = strength, visama = odd. > > But where do you get 'sign'? > > Regards, > Michal > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr > vedic astrology@ . com; sjcBoston@grou ps.com; @ . com; sohamsa@ ..com; sjc-guru@ s.com > Monday, 10 August, 2009 1:41:52 PM > Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara > > > Namaste friends, > > It was pointed out that birthdata given in example > 16 (Swami Sivananda) is wrong. Due to a cut & paste error, the birthdata is > that of Mahatma Gandhi. The correct birthdata of Swami Sivananda is given in the > middle of the chart corresponding to example 16, but the data at the beginning > of the example is wrong. No calculations later were affected by this cut > & paste error. I corrected it and also reformated it to remove a big > blank area in one of the early pages. > > You can download the modified version at the same > place: > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles/ sthiradasa. pdf > > Best > regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > Do > a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > Do > Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > Free > Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > Free > Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Sri > Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > - > >Narasimha P.V.R. > > Rao > >sjc-guru@ s.com ; sohamsa@ .com ; ; > > sjcBoston@grou ps.com ; vedic astrology > >Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:16 > > PM > >A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of > > Parasara > > > > > >Namaste friends, > > > >I have uploaded a free article titled " Sthira > > Dasa of Parasara " at: > > > >http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles/ sthiradasa. pdf > > > >It gives Parasara's verses on Sthira dasa and > > Brahma planet, their literal meaning, analysis of things that need to be > > deduced, clear instructions based on my independent interpretation, a > > simple interpretation rule I found and 16 examples with all calculations > > explained in detail. > > > >The sixteen examples given in the article > > illustrate how a very simple rule based on Sthira dasa and Maheswara planet > > holds true in many charts if you stick to Parasara's instructions, instead of > > mixing up with the views of Jaimini commentators. > > > >My interpretation of Sthira dasa calculation is > > different from anything I have seen before, but it sticks to Parasara's > > instructions in a simple and faithful manner. > > > >Please feel free to read the article and check > > for yourself. If you find it useful, please feel free to benefit from it and > > spread the knowledge. If you find it useless, please ignore it. > > > >Best > > regards, > >Narasimha > >----------- - --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > >Do > > a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > >Do > > Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > >Spirituality: > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > >Free > > Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > >Free > > Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > >Sri > > Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > >----------- - --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > Email slow, clunky, unreliable? Switch to Xtra Mail, New Zealand's new email address. Hungry? Try some spicy marinated chicken fillets for dinner tonight, courtesy of Xtra Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Michal, Here it is, from MWSD (%{As}) m. pl. the seven stars , the Pleiades , the seven Åishis RV. i 24 10 S3Br. ii TA1r. m. and (%{am}) n. a star constellation , lunar Mn. MBh. R. (%{am}) n. the twelfth part of the ecliptic the particular star under which a person happens to be born VarBåS. Sürya s m. and (%{am}) n. a star , constellation , lunar mansion Mn. MBh. R. & c. (%{am}) n. the twelfth part of the ecliptic Sx sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sanjay Rath 12 August 2009 10:38 sohamsa RE: Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara oṠgurave namaḥ Dear Michal Rîksa also refers to nakṣatra and can mean houses and constellations as well. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath WebPages: http://srath.com Jaimini Scholar: http://sohamsa.com SJC: http://.org Jyotish Digest, Books: http://sagittariuspublications.com sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 12 August 2009 08:50 sohamsa Re: Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Narasimha, Never mind, I see it's a sandhi rule. So we are looking for the graha in an odd sign - got it, it's very clear now. Regards, Michal Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal > sohamsa Wednesday, 12 August, 2009 2:56:23 PM Re: Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Narasimha, In the article you have the sanskrit as: viShamarkShagaH rather than: viShamaR^ikShagaH Are you sure you have the correct spelling? As this would certainly affect your 'literal translation without any spin or interpretation' . Please clarify. Regards, Michal Narasimha Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> sohamsa@ .com Wednesday, 12 August, 2009 6:17:43 AM Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara Namaste, I am using iTrans transliteration. viShamarkShagaH = viShama + R^ikSha + gaH viShama = odd R^ikSha = sign gaH = one who has gone into Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - sohamsa@ ..com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > Dear Narasimha, > > When calculating the Brahma planet I can see how you have translated the sanskrit (verse 171): > > shashta = 6, ashta = 8, vyaya = 12, natha = lord, bala = strength, visama = odd. > > But where do you get 'sign'? > > Regards, > Michal > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr > vedic astrology@ . com; sjcBoston@grou ps.com; @ . com; sohamsa@ ..com; sjc-guru@ s.com > Monday, 10 August, 2009 1:41:52 PM > Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara > > > Namaste friends, > > It was pointed out that birthdata given in example > 16 (Swami Sivananda) is wrong. Due to a cut & paste error, the birthdata is > that of Mahatma Gandhi. The correct birthdata of Swami Sivananda is given in the > middle of the chart corresponding to example 16, but the data at the beginning > of the example is wrong. No calculations later were affected by this cut > & paste error. I corrected it and also reformated it to remove a big > blank area in one of the early pages. > > You can download the modified version at the same > place: > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles/ sthiradasa. pdf > > Best > regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > Do > a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > Do > Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > Free > Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > Free > Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Sri > Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > - > >Narasimha P.V.R. > > Rao > >sjc-guru@ s.com ; sohamsa@ .com ; ; > > sjcBoston@grou ps.com ; vedic astrology > >Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:16 > > PM > >A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of > > Parasara > > > > > >Namaste friends, > > > >I have uploaded a free article titled " Sthira > > Dasa of Parasara " at: > > > >http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles/ sthiradasa. pdf > > > >It gives Parasara's verses on Sthira dasa and > > Brahma planet, their literal meaning, analysis of things that need to be > > deduced, clear instructions based on my independent interpretation, a > > simple interpretation rule I found and 16 examples with all calculations > > explained in detail. > > > >The sixteen examples given in the article > > illustrate how a very simple rule based on Sthira dasa and Maheswara planet > > holds true in many charts if you stick to Parasara's instructions, instead of > > mixing up with the views of Jaimini commentators. > > > >My interpretation of Sthira dasa calculation is > > different from anything I have seen before, but it sticks to Parasara's > > instructions in a simple and faithful manner. > > > >Please feel free to read the article and check > > for yourself. If you find it useful, please feel free to benefit from it and > > spread the knowledge. If you find it useless, please ignore it. > > > >Best > > regards, > >Narasimha > >----------- - --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > >Do > > a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > >Do > > Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > >Spirituality: > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > >Free > > Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > >Free > > Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > >Sri > > Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > >----------- - --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > Email slow, clunky, unreliable? Switch to Xtra Mail, New Zealand's new email address. Hungry? Try some spicy marinated chicken fillets for dinner tonight, courtesy of Xtra Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Sanjay,This was what I was trying to understand. When the Rishi uses a particular word how can we be sure of the exact meaning, when a single word can have multiple meanings? Is Parasara referring to rashi or bhava in this sloka? It is ambiguous and requires other sources to verify what is correct - I guess that is the meaning of upadesha.Regards,MichalSanjay Rath <sanjayrathsohamsa Sent: Wednesday, 12 August, 2009 9:37:59 PMRE: Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara oṠgurave namaḥ Dear Michal Rîksa also refers to nakṣatra and can mean houses and constellations as well. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath WebPages: http://srath. com Jaimini Scholar: http://sohamsa. com SJC: http:// .org Jyotish Digest, Books: http://sagittariusp ublications. com sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 12 August 2009 08:50 sohamsa@ .com Re: Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Narasimha, Never mind, I see it's a sandhi rule. So we are looking for the graha in an odd sign - got it, it's very clear now. Regards, Michal Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal > sohamsa@ .com Wednesday, 12 August, 2009 2:56:23 PM Re: Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Narasimha, In the article you have the sanskrit as: viShamarkShagaH rather than: viShamaR^ikShagaH Are you sure you have the correct spelling? As this would certainly affect your 'literal translation without any spin or interpretation' . Please clarify. Regards, Michal Narasimha Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> sohamsa@ .com Wednesday, 12 August, 2009 6:17:43 AM Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara Namaste, I am using iTrans transliteration. viShamarkShagaH = viShama + R^ikSha + gaH viShama = odd R^ikSha = sign gaH = one who has gone into Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - sohamsa@ ..com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > Dear Narasimha, > > When calculating the Brahma planet I can see how you have translated the sanskrit (verse 171): > > shashta = 6, ashta = 8, vyaya = 12, natha = lord, bala = strength, visama = odd. > > But where do you get 'sign'? > > Regards, > Michal > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr > vedic astrology@ . com; sjcBoston@grou ps.com; @ . com; sohamsa@ ..com; sjc-guru@ s.com > Monday, 10 August, 2009 1:41:52 PM > Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara > > > Namaste friends, > > It was pointed out that birthdata given in example > 16 (Swami Sivananda) is wrong. Due to a cut & paste error, the birthdata is > that of Mahatma Gandhi. The correct birthdata of Swami Sivananda is given in the > middle of the chart corresponding to example 16, but the data at the beginning > of the example is wrong. No calculations later were affected by this cut > & paste error. I corrected it and also reformated it to remove a big > blank area in one of the early pages. > > You can download the modified version at the same > place: > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles/ sthiradasa. pdf > > Best > regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > Do > a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > Do > Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > Free > Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > Free > Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Sri > Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > - > >Narasimha P.V.R. > > Rao > >sjc-guru@ s.com ; sohamsa@ .com ; ; > > sjcBoston@grou ps.com ; vedic astrology > >Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:16 > > PM > >A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of > > Parasara > > > > > >Namaste friends, > > > >I have uploaded a free article titled "Sthira > > Dasa of Parasara" at: > > > >http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles/ sthiradasa. pdf > > > >It gives Parasara's verses on Sthira dasa and > > Brahma planet, their literal meaning, analysis of things that need to be > > deduced, clear instructions based on my independent interpretation, a > > simple interpretation rule I found and 16 examples with all calculations > > explained in detail. > > > >The sixteen examples given in the article > > illustrate how a very simple rule based on Sthira dasa and Maheswara planet > > holds true in many charts if you stick to Parasara's instructions, instead of > > mixing up with the views of Jaimini commentators. > > > >My interpretation of Sthira dasa calculation is > > different from anything I have seen before, but it sticks to Parasara's > > instructions in a simple and faithful manner. > > > >Please feel free to read the article and check > > for yourself. If you find it useful, please feel free to benefit from it and > > spread the knowledge. If you find it useless, please ignore it. > > > >Best > > regards, > >Narasimha > >----------- - --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > >Do > > a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > >Do > > Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > >Spirituality: > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > >Free > > Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > >Free > > Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > >Sri > > Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > >----------- - --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > Email slow, clunky, unreliable? Switch to Xtra Mail, New Zealand's new email address. Hungry? Try some spicy marinated chicken fillets for dinner tonight, courtesy of Xtra Food. Need mail bonding? 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Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Namaste, I am not aware of the word riksha used to mean a bhaava ever. To the best of my knowledge, it can only mean a raasi or a nakshatra. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org sohamsa , Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > Dear Sanjay, > > This was what I was trying to understand. When the Rishi uses a particular word how can we be sure of the exact meaning, when a single word can have multiple meanings? Is Parasara referring to rashi or bhava in this sloka? It is ambiguous and requires other sources to verify what is correct - I guess that is the meaning of upadesha. > > Regards, > Michal > > > > > ________________________________ > Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath > sohamsa > Wednesday, 12 August, 2009 9:37:59 PM > RE: Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara > > > > > oṠgurave namaḥ > Dear Michal > Rîksa also refers to nakṣatra and can mean houses and > constellations as well. > Best Wishes > Sanjay Rath > WebPages: http://srath. com > Jaimini Scholar: http://sohamsa. com > SJC: http:// .org > Jyotish Digest, Books: http://sagittariusp ublications. com > > sohamsa@ .com > [sohamsa] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski > 12 August 2009 08:50 > sohamsa@ .com > Re: Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara > > > Hare > Rama Krsna || > > Dear Narasimha, > > Never mind, I see it's a sandhi rule. > > So we are looking for the graha in an odd sign - got it, it's very clear > now. > > Regards, > Michal > > > ________________________________ > > Michal Dziwulski > <nearmichal > > sohamsa@ .com > Wednesday, 12 August, 2009 2:56:23 PM > Re: Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara > > > Hare > Rama Krsna || > > Dear Narasimha, > > In the article you have the sanskrit as: > > viShamarkShagaH > > rather than: > > viShamaR^ikShagaH > > Are you sure you have the correct spelling? As this would certainly > affect your 'literal translation without any spin or interpretation' . > Please clarify. > > Regards, > Michal > > > ________________________________ > > Narasimha Rao > <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> > sohamsa@ .com > Wednesday, 12 August, 2009 6:17:43 AM > Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara > > > Namaste, > > I am using iTrans transliteration. > > viShamarkShagaH = viShama + R^ikSha + gaH > > viShama = odd > R^ikSha = sign > gaH = one who has gone into > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > sohamsa@ > .com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > Dear Narasimha, > > > > When calculating the Brahma planet I can see how you have translated the > sanskrit (verse 171): > > > > shashta = 6, ashta = 8, vyaya = 12, natha = lord, bala = strength, visama > = odd. > > > > But where do you get 'sign'? > > > > Regards, > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> > > vedic astrology@ > . com; sjcBoston@grou ps.com; @ > . com; sohamsa@ > .com; sjc-guru@ > s.com > > Monday, 10 August, 2009 1:41:52 PM > > Re: A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of Parasara > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > It was pointed out that birthdata given in example > > 16 (Swami Sivananda) is wrong. Due to a cut & paste error, the > birthdata is > > that of Mahatma Gandhi. The correct birthdata of Swami Sivananda is given > in the > > middle of the chart corresponding to example 16, but the data at the > beginning > > of the example is wrong. No calculations later were affected by this cut > > & paste error. I corrected it and also reformated it to remove a big > > blank area in one of the early pages. > > > > You can download the modified version at the same > > place: > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles/ sthiradasa. pdf > > > > Best > > regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > Do > > a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > Do > > Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > Free > > Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > Free > > Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Sri > > Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > > - > > >Narasimha P.V.R. > > > Rao > > >sjc-guru@ s.com ; sohamsa@ .com ; > ; > > > sjcBoston@grou ps.com ; vedic astrology > > >Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:16 > > > PM > > >A free ePaper: Sthira Dasa of > > > Parasara > > > > > > > > >Namaste friends, > > > > > >I have uploaded a free article titled " Sthira > > > Dasa of Parasara " at: > > > > > >http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles/ sthiradasa. pdf > > > > > >It gives Parasara's verses on Sthira dasa and > > > Brahma planet, their literal meaning, analysis of things that need to > be > > > deduced, clear instructions based on my independent interpretation, a > > > simple interpretation rule I found and 16 examples with all > calculations > > > explained in detail. > > > > > >The sixteen examples given in the article > > > illustrate how a very simple rule based on Sthira dasa and Maheswara > planet > > > holds true in many charts if you stick to Parasara's instructions, > instead of > > > mixing up with the views of Jaimini commentators. > > > > > >My interpretation of Sthira dasa calculation is > > > different from anything I have seen before, but it sticks to > Parasara's > > > instructions in a simple and faithful manner. > > > > > >Please feel free to read the article and check > > > for yourself. If you find it useful, please feel free to benefit from > it and > > > spread the knowledge. If you find it useless, please ignore it. > > > > > >Best > > > regards, > > >Narasimha > > >----------- - --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > --------- > > >Do > > > a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > >Do > > > Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > >Spirituality: > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > >Free > > > Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > >Free > > > Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > >Sri > > > Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > >----------- - --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > --------- > > > > > > > Email slow, clunky, unreliable? Switch to Xtra Mail, New Zealand's new email address. > > Hungry? 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Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Dear PVR ji, Mihira states - "Rasi kshetra griha riksha bhani bhavanam chaikartha sampratyaye" (The words Rasi, Kshetra, Griha, Riksha and Bhavana mean the same). It is well known that Rasi means Sign and Griha means House - in this quote he is stating that both mean the same. As you yourself had clarified in many times - Parasara is also of the opinion of considering Sign itself as the house. In the quote - "Horadaya Tanu kudumba sahotha......................................Grihani na nityameke" (Brihat Jataka Ch. 1 sl. 15), Mihira states that Tanu (Body), Kudumba (Family), Sahotha (Co-born) etc are the names of Grihas (Houses). Please note that - * In the first quote it is said that - Riksha and Griha means the same. * In the second quote it is clarified that - Griha means House Combining the above two statements it is evident that Riksha means House; since Sign and House mean the same, both as per Mihira and Parasara. Thus definitely Riksha can mean not only Rasi and Nakshatra but also House (since Sign and House mean the same as per sages). Hope you will agree with the above statements.Love and regards,Sreenadh sohamsa , "Narasimha Rao" <pvr wrote:>> Namaste,> > I am not aware of the word riksha used to mean a bhaava ever. To the best of my knowledge, it can only mean a raasi or a nakshatra.> > Best regards,> Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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