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Dear Neelam ji,

 

Fair enough. Let me give you another chart where Saturn aspects both Moon and

Venus (and dispositor of Venus also). Here Moon is disposited by Venus. I would

like to get your views on this chart:

 

DOB: Sep 7, 1958

TOB: 6:15 am

POB: Bangalore

 

Is it just the favourable dasha sequence that gave marriage to this native?

Because, based on earlier posts, I would conclude that Saturn controls both Moon

and Venus in this chart too.

 

Please note that I am not trying to challenge you. I am only trying to get to

the root of the matter to clear the doubts in my mind.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

 

Friday, 7 August, 2009 12:32:58 PM

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Dear Krishna ji,

 

I think the word CONTROL comes from the translated dictum.:-)

 

Nonetheless, Saturn does greatly influence Venus. Despite the difference in

longitude, Saturn has come with a greater purpose and strength (5L exalted

in 10th from its house). It can even convey effectively from a distance.

Venus is in 10H from Saturn, and its dispositor under check of saturn. And

from Venus, Saturn is also the 7L aspecting venus. In navamsha it is

conjoined the dispositor of venus. If we check the subtle impulses of these

planets (through NL/SL), may be its ketu who connects and delivers!

 

Venus, however, would surely try to go out of saturn’s hold, being distant

and closer to mars, etc., whenever its dasha/antars arrive. But having been

through the Venus MD before 23 years of age might be one of the discouraging

factors.

 

But of course, it is easier said on the hindsight!

 

Thanks and Regards

Neelam

 

 

 

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Dear Krishna ji,

 

There are basic differences in the structure of chart and working of

planets. Its like comparing an orange with an apple :-)

 

Marriage is a norm, and denial is abnormal. The horoscope must show multiple

negations to deny marriage. The one major dictum I quoted, since it was

significant, but nothing is applicable in isolation, won’t you agree? Please

compare the purpose of Saturn and Jupiter in the two charts and the

difference would be clear. In Gopi ji’s chart, there are several no-marriage

pointers, including the divisional strength and dashas.

 

Nonetheless, we cannot claim 100 per cent success with principles. There is

much beyond our normal vision. As I said in my earlier mail, it is easier

when we look back!

 

IMHO, some important differences between the two charts are:

 

Saturn himself is lord of 7H with its MT sign in 7th, so it comes with a

mandate to give marriage to the native, though as a slow planet, it can be

delayed (not sure in this case as too many influences can give early

marriage). In D-9, Saturn gains strength, in own house and aspecting 7H.

Saturn aspects moon and venus, but cancer and libra are untouched, the signs

for emotions and marriage of KPK. I expect the native to be spiritually

inclined because of close aspect on moon.

 

7H has the benefic aspect of Jup, and Jup in libra is blessing the houses of

desire, 3/7/11, as well as bhagyasthan. Giving him fulfilment of desires,

may be poetic expressions, hobbies like studies of scriptures, travelling,

etc.

 

Native gets Jupiter’s mahadasha at the age of about 23 and Jupiter being a

natural as well as a functional benefic for leo is bound to give good

results. It also gains panchadha maitri with venus, LL sun and Saturn. In

fact, Jupiter dasha would give him worldly success including prestigious job

as it enters the scene (pad prapti and gains).

 

Jupiter as 5L is well placed and 5H is strong, so there is no denial of

children.

 

I guess this native must’ve got married but saturn’s dasha from 1997, would

also give him a slow and steady transformation towards spirituality, might

lead to distancing from spouse for this reason.

 

Hope I am able to explain myself.

 

Regards

Neelam

 

 

 

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Dear Krishna Ji, Neelam Ji,

 

Wonderful dialogue to learn from. It is also interesting that in Gopi Ji's

chart Sa is influencing Ve and Moon (Ve's dispositor) while sitting in a

Venusian sign, hence his  " grip " on Venus is much stronger. In the 2nd chart,

the same " strong grip " is missing, despite the aspect on Ve and Mo. 

 

Regards,

 -Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

 

Friday, August 7, 2009 7:54:25 AM

Re: Marriage - Neelam ji

 

Dear Krishna ji,

 

There are basic differences in the structure of chart and working of

planets. Its like comparing an orange with an apple :-)

 

Marriage is a norm, and denial is abnormal. The horoscope must show multiple

negations to deny marriage. The one major dictum I quoted, since it was

significant, but nothing is applicable in isolation, won’t you agree? Please

compare the purpose of Saturn and Jupiter in the two charts and the

difference would be clear. In Gopi ji’s chart, there are several no-marriage

pointers, including the divisional strength and dashas.

 

Nonetheless, we cannot claim 100 per cent success with principles. There is

much beyond our normal vision. As I said in my earlier mail, it is easier

when we look back!

 

IMHO, some important differences between the two charts are:

 

Saturn himself is lord of 7H with its MT sign in 7th, so it comes with a

mandate to give marriage to the native, though as a slow planet, it can be

delayed (not sure in this case as too many influences can give early

marriage). In D-9, Saturn gains strength, in own house and aspecting 7H.

Saturn aspects moon and venus, but cancer and libra are untouched, the signs

for emotions and marriage of KPK. I expect the native to be spiritually

inclined because of close aspect on moon.

 

7H has the benefic aspect of Jup, and Jup in libra is blessing the houses of

desire, 3/7/11, as well as bhagyasthan. Giving him fulfilment of desires,

may be poetic expressions, hobbies like studies of scriptures, travelling,

etc.

 

Native gets Jupiter’s mahadasha at the age of about 23 and Jupiter being a

natural as well as a functional benefic for leo is bound to give good

results. It also gains panchadha maitri with venus, LL sun and Saturn. In

fact, Jupiter dasha would give him worldly success including prestigious job

as it enters the scene (pad prapti and gains).

 

Jupiter as 5L is well placed and 5H is strong, so there is no denial of

children.

 

I guess this native must’ve got married but saturn’s dasha from 1997, would

also give him a slow and steady transformation towards spirituality, might

lead to distancing from spouse for this reason.

 

Hope I am able to explain myself.

 

Regards

Neelam

 

 

 

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Dear Neelam ji,

 

Thanks for taking time and looking into the new chart and giving your comments.

 

Yes, I agree with you that the two charts are structurally very different. And,

many of your readings on the new chart are pretty accurate, if not all. That is

my own chart for your information :-)

 

My intention was to examine similar combination in two charts and evaluate if

they are giving similar results. If not, in my opinion, that is not the most

critical combination for the event as other factors could ride over it. It could

only be a supporting factor. Only with this approach I was able to identify

clearly the combination for diabetes (for both type-1 and type-2). So far, all

diabetes charts that I have studied (at least 100 charts so far) show the

combination that I have listed without a single exception! I am trying to gather

such a combination for each of the significant events in life, denial marriage

is one of them.

 

I believe that with time, we will be able to spot the most critical combination.

 

Thanks again for your time and effort.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

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neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

 

Friday, 7 August, 2009 8:24:25 PM

Re: Marriage - Neelam ji

 

Dear Krishna ji,

 

There are basic differences in the structure of chart and working of

planets. Its like comparing an orange with an apple :-)

 

Marriage is a norm, and denial is abnormal. The horoscope must show multiple

negations to deny marriage. The one major dictum I quoted, since it was

significant, but nothing is applicable in isolation, won’t you agree? Please

compare the purpose of Saturn and Jupiter in the two charts and the

difference would be clear. In Gopi ji’s chart, there are several no-marriage

pointers, including the divisional strength and dashas.

 

Nonetheless, we cannot claim 100 per cent success with principles. There is

much beyond our normal vision. As I said in my earlier mail, it is easier

when we look back!

 

IMHO, some important differences between the two charts are:

 

Saturn himself is lord of 7H with its MT sign in 7th, so it comes with a

mandate to give marriage to the native, though as a slow planet, it can be

delayed (not sure in this case as too many influences can give early

marriage). In D-9, Saturn gains strength, in own house and aspecting 7H.

Saturn aspects moon and venus, but cancer and libra are untouched, the signs

for emotions and marriage of KPK. I expect the native to be spiritually

inclined because of close aspect on moon.

 

7H has the benefic aspect of Jup, and Jup in libra is blessing the houses of

desire, 3/7/11, as well as bhagyasthan. Giving him fulfilment of desires,

may be poetic expressions, hobbies like studies of scriptures, travelling,

etc.

 

Native gets Jupiter’s mahadasha at the age of about 23 and Jupiter being a

natural as well as a functional benefic for leo is bound to give good

results. It also gains panchadha maitri with venus, LL sun and Saturn. In

fact, Jupiter dasha would give him worldly success including prestigious job

as it enters the scene (pad prapti and gains).

 

Jupiter as 5L is well placed and 5H is strong, so there is no denial of

children.

 

I guess this native must’ve got married but saturn’s dasha from 1997, would

also give him a slow and steady transformation towards spirituality, might

lead to distancing from spouse for this reason.

 

Hope I am able to explain myself.

 

Regards

Neelam

 

 

 

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Dear Manoj ji,

 

Even in the second chart Saturn is aspecting Sun who is the dispositor of Venus.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

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Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj

 

Saturday, 8 August, 2009 12:09:23 AM

Re: Marriage - Neelam ji

 

 

Dear Krishna Ji, Neelam Ji,

 

Wonderful dialogue to learn from. It is also interesting that in Gopi Ji's

chart Sa is influencing Ve and Moon (Ve's dispositor) while sitting in a

Venusian sign, hence his  " grip " on Venus is much stronger. In the 2nd chart,

the same " strong grip " is missing, despite the aspect on Ve and Mo. 

 

Regards,

 -Manoj

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

 

Friday, August 7, 2009 7:54:25 AM

Re: Marriage - Neelam ji

 

Dear Krishna ji,

 

There are basic differences in the structure of chart and working of

planets. Its like comparing an orange with an apple :-)

 

Marriage is a norm, and denial is abnormal. The horoscope must show multiple

negations to deny marriage. The one major dictum I quoted, since it was

significant, but nothing is applicable in isolation, won’t you agree? Please

compare the purpose of Saturn and Jupiter in the two charts and the

difference would be clear. In Gopi ji’s chart, there are several no-marriage

pointers, including the divisional strength and dashas.

 

Nonetheless, we cannot claim 100 per cent success with principles. There is

much beyond our normal vision. As I said in my earlier mail, it is easier

when we look back!

 

IMHO, some important differences between the two charts are:

 

Saturn himself is lord of 7H with its MT sign in 7th, so it comes with a

mandate to give marriage to the native, though as a slow planet, it can be

delayed (not sure in this case as too many influences can give early

marriage). In D-9, Saturn gains strength, in own house and aspecting 7H.

Saturn aspects moon and venus, but cancer and libra are untouched, the signs

for emotions and marriage of KPK. I expect the native to be spiritually

inclined because of close aspect on moon.

 

7H has the benefic aspect of Jup, and Jup in libra is blessing the houses of

desire, 3/7/11, as well as bhagyasthan. Giving him fulfilment of desires,

may be poetic expressions, hobbies like studies of scriptures, travelling,

etc.

 

Native gets Jupiter’s mahadasha at the age of about 23 and Jupiter being a

natural as well as a functional benefic for leo is bound to give good

results. It also gains panchadha maitri with venus, LL sun and Saturn. In

fact, Jupiter dasha would give him worldly success including prestigious job

as it enters the scene (pad prapti and gains).

 

Jupiter as 5L is well placed and 5H is strong, so there is no denial of

children.

 

I guess this native must’ve got married but saturn’s dasha from 1997, would

also give him a slow and steady transformation towards spirituality, might

lead to distancing from spouse for this reason.

 

Hope I am able to explain myself.

 

Regards

Neelam

 

 

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I think it has to do with the mandate each planet comes with! :-)

Neelam

 

 

2009/8/8 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

 

>

>

> Dear Manoj ji,

>

> Even in the second chart Saturn is aspecting Sun who is the dispositor of

> Venus.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> ________________________________

> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj<chandran_manoj%40>

> >

> <%40>

> Saturday, 8 August, 2009 12:09:23 AM

>

> Re: Marriage - Neelam ji

>

>

> Dear Krishna Ji, Neelam Ji,

>

> Wonderful dialogue to learn from. It is also interesting that in Gopi Ji's

> chart Sa is influencing Ve and Moon (Ve's dispositor) while sitting in a

> Venusian sign, hence his " grip " on Venus is much stronger. In the 2nd chart,

> the same " strong grip " is missing, despite the aspect on Ve and Mo.

>

> Regards,

> -Manoj

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

>

> Friday, August 7, 2009 7:54:25 AM

> Re: Marriage - Neelam ji

>

> Dear Krishna ji,

>

> There are basic differences in the structure of chart and working of

> planets. Its like comparing an orange with an apple :-)

>

> Marriage is a norm, and denial is abnormal. The horoscope must show

> multiple

> negations to deny marriage. The one major dictum I quoted, since it was

> significant, but nothing is applicable in isolation, won’t you agree?

> Please

> compare the purpose of Saturn and Jupiter in the two charts and the

> difference would be clear. In Gopi ji’s chart, there are several

> no-marriage

> pointers, including the divisional strength and dashas.

>

> Nonetheless, we cannot claim 100 per cent success with principles. There is

> much beyond our normal vision. As I said in my earlier mail, it is easier

> when we look back!

>

> IMHO, some important differences between the two charts are:

>

> Saturn himself is lord of 7H with its MT sign in 7th, so it comes with a

> mandate to give marriage to the native, though as a slow planet, it can be

> delayed (not sure in this case as too many influences can give early

> marriage). In D-9, Saturn gains strength, in own house and aspecting 7H.

> Saturn aspects moon and venus, but cancer and libra are untouched, the

> signs

> for emotions and marriage of KPK. I expect the native to be spiritually

> inclined because of close aspect on moon.

>

> 7H has the benefic aspect of Jup, and Jup in libra is blessing the houses

> of

> desire, 3/7/11, as well as bhagyasthan. Giving him fulfilment of desires,

> may be poetic expressions, hobbies like studies of scriptures, travelling,

> etc.

>

> Native gets Jupiter’s mahadasha at the age of about 23 and Jupiter being a

> natural as well as a functional benefic for leo is bound to give good

> results. It also gains panchadha maitri with venus, LL sun and Saturn. In

> fact, Jupiter dasha would give him worldly success including prestigious

> job

> as it enters the scene (pad prapti and gains).

>

> Jupiter as 5L is well placed and 5H is strong, so there is no denial of

> children.

>

> I guess this native must’ve got married but saturn’s dasha from 1997, would

> also give him a slow and steady transformation towards spirituality, might

> lead to distancing from spouse for this reason.

>

> Hope I am able to explain myself.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

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Dear Neelam ji,

 

You are right, the mandate can not be ignored. I was only indicating something

Manoj ji overlooked.

 

Since in each chart the mandate of the planets change, the first thing one

should try to identify is what mandate does each planet has in a chart. In

case of my chart, Saturn being the 7L, the mandate was to promote marriage. And,

in fact the marriage took place during Jup-Sat period. In case of Gopi ji's

chart, Saturn did not have such an obligation w.r.t marriage and hence when it

comes to marriage it showed its natural colors by influencing Moon and Venus

(and Cancer and Libra).

 

It would be interesting to study some more charts to drill this through further.

If you have any chart as an example for denial of marriage please do share.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

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neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

 

Saturday, 8 August, 2009 12:45:43 PM

Re: Marriage - Neelam ji

 

I think it has to do with the mandate each planet comes with! :-)

Neelam

 

 

2009/8/8 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

 

>

>

> Dear Manoj ji,

>

> Even in the second chart Saturn is aspecting Sun who is the dispositor of

> Venus.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> ________________________________

> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj<chandran_manoj%40>

> >

> <%40>

> Saturday, 8 August, 2009 12:09:23 AM

>

> Re: Marriage - Neelam ji

>

>

> Dear Krishna Ji, Neelam Ji,

>

> Wonderful dialogue to learn from. It is also interesting that in Gopi Ji's

> chart Sa is influencing Ve and Moon (Ve's dispositor) while sitting in a

> Venusian sign, hence his " grip " on Venus is much stronger. In the 2nd chart,

> the same " strong grip " is missing, despite the aspect on Ve and Mo.

>

> Regards,

>  -Manoj

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

>

> Friday, August 7, 2009 7:54:25 AM

> Re: Marriage - Neelam ji

>

> Dear Krishna ji,

>

> There are basic differences in the structure of chart and working of

> planets. Its like comparing an orange with an apple :-)

>

> Marriage is a norm, and denial is abnormal. The horoscope must show

> multiple

> negations to deny marriage. The one major dictum I quoted, since it was

> significant, but nothing is applicable in isolation, won’t you agree?

> Please

> compare the purpose of Saturn and Jupiter in the two charts and the

> difference would be clear. In Gopi ji’s chart, there are several

> no-marriage

> pointers, including the divisional strength and dashas.

>

> Nonetheless, we cannot claim 100 per cent success with principles. There is

> much beyond our normal vision. As I said in my earlier mail, it is easier

> when we look back!

>

> IMHO, some important differences between the two charts are:

>

> Saturn himself is lord of 7H with its MT sign in 7th, so it comes with a

> mandate to give marriage to the native, though as a slow planet, it can be

> delayed (not sure in this case as too many influences can give early

> marriage). In D-9, Saturn gains strength, in own house and aspecting 7H.

> Saturn aspects moon and venus, but cancer and libra are untouched, the

> signs

> for emotions and marriage of KPK. I expect the native to be spiritually

> inclined because of close aspect on moon.

>

> 7H has the benefic aspect of Jup, and Jup in libra is blessing the houses

> of

> desire, 3/7/11, as well as bhagyasthan. Giving him fulfilment of desires,

> may be poetic expressions, hobbies like studies of scriptures, travelling,

> etc.

>

> Native gets Jupiter’s mahadasha at the age of about 23 and Jupiter being a

> natural as well as a functional benefic for leo is bound to give good

> results. It also gains panchadha maitri with venus, LL sun and Saturn. In

> fact, Jupiter dasha would give him worldly success including prestigious

> job

> as it enters the scene (pad prapti and gains).

>

> Jupiter as 5L is well placed and 5H is strong, so there is no denial of

> children.

>

> I guess this native must’ve got married but saturn’s dasha from 1997,

would

> also give him a slow and steady transformation towards spirituality, might

> lead to distancing from spouse for this reason.

>

> Hope I am able to explain myself.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

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Dear Neelam ji,Krishna murthy ji and others,

 

first thankyou for discussing my chart deeply and then sorry that i

could not respond due to some commitments and i am off the net.Hopefully

i will get back very soon in detail.......

 

Love and regards,

 

gopi

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> Dear Neelam ji,

>

> You are right, the mandate can not be ignored. I was only indicating

something Manoj ji overlooked.

>

> Since in each chart the mandate of the planets change, the first thing

one should try to identify is what mandate does each planet has

in a chart. In case of my chart, Saturn being the 7L, the mandate was to

promote marriage. And, in fact the marriage took place during Jup-Sat

period. In case of Gopi ji's chart, Saturn did not have such an

obligation w.r.t marriage and hence when it comes to marriage it showed

its natural colors by influencing Moon and Venus (and Cancer and Libra).

>

> It would be interesting to study some more charts to drill this

through further. If you have any chart as an example for denial of

marriage please do share.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> neelam gupta neelamgupta07

>

> Saturday, 8 August, 2009 12:45:43 PM

> Re: Marriage - Neelam ji

>

> I think it has to do with the mandate each planet comes with! :-)

> Neelam

>

>

> 2009/8/8 Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Manoj ji,

> >

> > Even in the second chart Saturn is aspecting Sun who is the

dispositor of

> > Venus.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj<chandran_manoj%40>

> > >

> > <%40>

> > Saturday, 8 August, 2009 12:09:23 AM

> >

> > Re: Marriage - Neelam ji

> >

> >

> > Dear Krishna Ji, Neelam Ji,

> >

> > Wonderful dialogue to learn from. It is also interesting that in

Gopi Ji's

> > chart Sa is influencing Ve and Moon (Ve's dispositor) while sitting

in a

> > Venusian sign, hence his " grip " on Venus is much stronger. In the

2nd chart,

> > the same " strong grip " is missing, despite the aspect on Ve and Mo.

> >

> > Regards,

> >Â -Manoj

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

> >

> > Friday, August 7, 2009 7:54:25 AM

> > Re: Marriage - Neelam ji

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> >

> > There are basic differences in the structure of chart and working of

> > planets. Its like comparing an orange with an apple :-)

> >

> > Marriage is a norm, and denial is abnormal. The horoscope must show

> > multiple

> > negations to deny marriage. The one major dictum I quoted, since it

was

> > significant, but nothing is applicable in isolation, won’t

you agree?

> > Please

> > compare the purpose of Saturn and Jupiter in the two charts and the

> > difference would be clear. In Gopi ji’s chart, there are

several

> > no-marriage

> > pointers, including the divisional strength and dashas.

> >

> > Nonetheless, we cannot claim 100 per cent success with principles.

There is

> > much beyond our normal vision. As I said in my earlier mail, it is

easier

> > when we look back!

> >

> > IMHO, some important differences between the two charts are:

> >

> > Saturn himself is lord of 7H with its MT sign in 7th, so it comes

with a

> > mandate to give marriage to the native, though as a slow planet, it

can be

> > delayed (not sure in this case as too many influences can give early

> > marriage). In D-9, Saturn gains strength, in own house and aspecting

7H.

> > Saturn aspects moon and venus, but cancer and libra are untouched,

the

> > signs

> > for emotions and marriage of KPK. I expect the native to be

spiritually

> > inclined because of close aspect on moon.

> >

> > 7H has the benefic aspect of Jup, and Jup in libra is blessing the

houses

> > of

> > desire, 3/7/11, as well as bhagyasthan. Giving him fulfilment of

desires,

> > may be poetic expressions, hobbies like studies of scriptures,

travelling,

> > etc.

> >

> > Native gets Jupiter’s mahadasha at the age of about 23 and

Jupiter being a

> > natural as well as a functional benefic for leo is bound to give

good

> > results. It also gains panchadha maitri with venus, LL sun and

Saturn. In

> > fact, Jupiter dasha would give him worldly success including

prestigious

> > job

> > as it enters the scene (pad prapti and gains).

> >

> > Jupiter as 5L is well placed and 5H is strong, so there is no denial

of

> > children.

> >

> > I guess this native must’ve got married but saturn’s

dasha from 1997, would

> > also give him a slow and steady transformation towards spirituality,

might

> > lead to distancing from spouse for this reason.

> >

> > Hope I am able to explain myself.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> >

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Dear Krishna Ji,

 

I did not over look that but mistyped when I said Saturn aspects Venus and

Moon (although it is still true, not as significant). However Saturn's aspect

on Venus from Venus' house is a much more powerful influence. In Shri Gopi Ji' s

chart it not only aspects Venus' dispositor and Venus but does so from Venus'

house. In the second chart, that is not the case. I think it is still a more

powerful Grip, in Shri Gopi Ji's chart.

 

However, in the second chart, the same kind of " Grip " does hold true for Mars

who is the 4L and 9L. So Sa aspecting 4L from the 4H and also Moon, may have

caused some trouble for 4H matters??? especially since Ma is also 9L ?

 

By the way your analysis of Diabetes is simply brilliant. I have Type 2

diabetes as well and it perfectly falls in to the category. Here is the data:

 

June 8, 1970, 5:02 PM, Tirrupathur, Tamil Nadu.

Diagnosed in 2000.

 

BTW here again Sa aspects LL Ma from 6H, from Mars's house, once again the

" Grip " is very powerful. I have learnt the power of Sa aspecting a planet while

sitting in that planets house through personal experience. Several members of my

close family have this and results are quite devastating. So even though I dont

have that much experience (astro wise), please keep that in the back of your

mind in your research.

 

Regards,

 -Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

 

Saturday, August 8, 2009 12:02:31 AM

Re: Marriage - Neelam ji

 

 

Dear Manoj ji,

 

Even in the second chart Saturn is aspecting Sun who is the dispositor of Venus.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

 

Saturday, 8 August, 2009 12:09:23 AM

Re: Marriage - Neelam ji

 

 

Dear Krishna Ji, Neelam Ji,

 

Wonderful dialogue to learn from. It is also interesting that in Gopi Ji's

chart Sa is influencing Ve and Moon (Ve's dispositor) while sitting in a

Venusian sign, hence his  " grip " on Venus is much stronger. In the 2nd chart,

the same " strong grip " is missing, despite the aspect on Ve and Mo. 

 

Regards,

 -Manoj

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

 

Friday, August 7, 2009 7:54:25 AM

Re: Marriage - Neelam ji

 

Dear Krishna ji,

 

There are basic differences in the structure of chart and working of

planets. Its like comparing an orange with an apple :-)

 

Marriage is a norm, and denial is abnormal. The horoscope must show multiple

negations to deny marriage. The one major dictum I quoted, since it was

significant, but nothing is applicable in isolation, won’t you agree? Please

compare the purpose of Saturn and Jupiter in the two charts and the

difference would be clear. In Gopi ji’s chart, there are several no-marriage

pointers, including the divisional strength and dashas.

 

Nonetheless, we cannot claim 100 per cent success with principles. There is

much beyond our normal vision. As I said in my earlier mail, it is easier

when we look back!

 

IMHO, some important differences between the two charts are:

 

Saturn himself is lord of 7H with its MT sign in 7th, so it comes with a

mandate to give marriage to the native, though as a slow planet, it can be

delayed (not sure in this case as too many influences can give early

marriage). In D-9, Saturn gains strength, in own house and aspecting 7H.

Saturn aspects moon and venus, but cancer and libra are untouched, the signs

for emotions and marriage of KPK. I expect the native to be spiritually

inclined because of close aspect on moon.

 

7H has the benefic aspect of Jup, and Jup in libra is blessing the houses of

desire, 3/7/11, as well as bhagyasthan. Giving him fulfilment of desires,

may be poetic expressions, hobbies like studies of scriptures, travelling,

etc.

 

Native gets Jupiter’s mahadasha at the age of about 23 and Jupiter being a

natural as well as a functional benefic for leo is bound to give good

results. It also gains panchadha maitri with venus, LL sun and Saturn. In

fact, Jupiter dasha would give him worldly success including prestigious job

as it enters the scene (pad prapti and gains).

 

Jupiter as 5L is well placed and 5H is strong, so there is no denial of

children.

 

I guess this native must’ve got married but saturn’s dasha from 1997, would

also give him a slow and steady transformation towards spirituality, might

lead to distancing from spouse for this reason.

 

Hope I am able to explain myself.

 

Regards

Neelam

 

 

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Dear Krishna,

 

This is for you. If this could be of any help to your research.

 

Delay and denial of marriage is being discussed. He is male. Some background

information for working on the chart. A class one officer of Government of

India - took voluntary retirement three years ago. Earning well now than what

he earned during his service. A staunch Hindu but likes Christians and

Christianity. See the exchange of Moon and Sun. Father died and he got

employment. Mother died he took voluntary retirement. See the Moon and Venus.

No marriage so far. (There is an interesting twist here.)

 

 

Male

1710 hours

2nd August 1954

78E41; 10N49

Zone 5:30

DST:0

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

 

 

You wrote:

 

 

My intention was to examine similar combination in two charts and evaluate if

they are giving similar results. If not, in my opinion, that is not the most

critical combination for the event as other factors could ride over it. It could

only be a supporting factor. Only with this approach I was able to identify

clearly the combination for diabetes (for both type-1 and type-2). So far, all

diabetes charts that I have studied (at least 100 charts so far) show the

combination that I have listed without a single exception! I am trying to gather

such a combination for each of the significant events in life, denial marriage

is one of them.

 

I believe that with time, we will be able to spot the most critical combination.

 

Thanks again for your time and effort.

 

Regards,

Krishna

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Dear Ravindramani ji,

 

Thanks for sharing the interesting chart.

 

The native is running Jup-Rah and is at the fag end of Jupiter MD. A change

in life for him, some of which he’s already experiencing for the last 2-3

years. Any serious relationship in Jup-Rah, or the native might be thinking

of marriage? Jupiter is closely conjunct nodal axis in 1-7 and in sagi sign,

hence Rahu could bring in an alliance from another religion. There are such

indications from both lagna and moon and in navamsha again Jup-Rahu remain

connected with Jupiter taking amsha of 5H. He might also have for good

financial gains and position in Saturn mahadasha. Saturn is strong 2/3lord

and activates lagna/5H/8H and 11H. In any case, does not appear to be a case

of vairagya of Saturn!

 

Regards

Neelam

 

 

 

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Neelam Ji,

 

I understand your logic and line of arguement. But the fact of the matter

is that he is not at all thinking of marriage now. I know him. I have the

permission to discuss this chart. In April 97, his marriage was fixed. The

period was of Jupiter/Sat/Mercury. The marriage was called off or cancelled

before three days of marriage. This was the twist which I wrote in my mail.

 

From the Moon and Venus, Saturn is exalted 7th lord . Jupiter, the 5th Lord

aspecting the 7th house. (Jupiter is Ganga Jal - this what my teacher says)

Mercury is the 7th lord from the lagna proper. Mercury is in 8th in his own

navamsa. Mercury assumes the 8th lordship there. The reason for

cancellation of marriage was alleged chronic disease which the bride was

suffering that was not revealed to the bridegroom side till the time of

cancellation.

 

Now it is for the learned astrologers to see the mandate of the planets and

how they are operating in this chart.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

 

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 8:52 PM, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07wrote:

 

> Dear Ravindramani ji,

>

> Thanks for sharing the interesting chart.

>

> The native is running Jup-Rah and is at the fag end of Jupiter MD. A change

> in life for him, some of which he’s already experiencing for the last 2-3

> years. Any serious relationship in Jup-Rah, or the native might be thinking

> of marriage? Jupiter is closely conjunct nodal axis in 1-7 and in sagi

> sign,

> hence Rahu could bring in an alliance from another religion. There are such

> indications from both lagna and moon and in navamsha again Jup-Rahu remain

> connected with Jupiter taking amsha of 5H. He might also have for good

> financial gains and position in Saturn mahadasha. Saturn is strong 2/3lord

> and activates lagna/5H/8H and 11H. In any case, does not appear to be a

> case

> of vairagya of Saturn!

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Dear Ravidramai ji,

 

Thanks for the details. It was for this *Gangajal* that I thought it could

be a case of delay but not denial.

Jupiter also qualifies as the planet who can give marriage being LL and

place in 7H with 7L.

 

Besides other factors, as mentioned by you and others, it could be of karaka

Venus who is not only in close conjunction with moon, is also in Leo, and

extremely weak in rashi ant.

 

Regards

Neelam

 

 

2009/8/11 C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani

 

>

>

> Neelam Ji,

>

> I understand your logic and line of arguement. But the fact of the matter

> is that he is not at all thinking of marriage now. I know him. I have the

> permission to discuss this chart. In April 97, his marriage was fixed. The

> period was of Jupiter/Sat/Mercury. The marriage was called off or cancelled

> before three days of marriage. This was the twist which I wrote in my mail.

>

> From the Moon and Venus, Saturn is exalted 7th lord . Jupiter, the 5th Lord

> aspecting the 7th house. (Jupiter is Ganga Jal - this what my teacher says)

> Mercury is the 7th lord from the lagna proper. Mercury is in 8th in his own

> navamsa. Mercury assumes the 8th lordship there. The reason for

> cancellation of marriage was alleged chronic disease which the bride was

> suffering that was not revealed to the bridegroom side till the time of

> cancellation.

>

> Now it is for the learned astrologers to see the mandate of the planets and

> how they are operating in this chart.

>

> Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

>

> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 8:52 PM, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07<neelamgupta07%40gmail.com>

> >wrote:

>

>

> > Dear Ravindramani ji,

> >

> > Thanks for sharing the interesting chart.

> >

> > The native is running Jup-Rah and is at the fag end of Jupiter MD. A

> change

> > in life for him, some of which he’s already experiencing for the last 2-3

> > years. Any serious relationship in Jup-Rah, or the native might be

> thinking

> > of marriage? Jupiter is closely conjunct nodal axis in 1-7 and in sagi

> > sign,

> > hence Rahu could bring in an alliance from another religion. There are

> such

> > indications from both lagna and moon and in navamsha again Jup-Rahu

> remain

> > connected with Jupiter taking amsha of 5H. He might also have for good

> > financial gains and position in Saturn mahadasha. Saturn is strong

> 2/3lord

> > and activates lagna/5H/8H and 11H. In any case, does not appear to be a

> > case

> > of vairagya of Saturn!

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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