Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Dear Neelam ji, Fair enough. Let me give you another chart where Saturn aspects both Moon and Venus (and dispositor of Venus also). Here Moon is disposited by Venus. I would like to get your views on this chart: DOB: Sep 7, 1958 TOB: 6:15 am POB: Bangalore Is it just the favourable dasha sequence that gave marriage to this native? Because, based on earlier posts, I would conclude that Saturn controls both Moon and Venus in this chart too. Please note that I am not trying to challenge you. I am only trying to get to the root of the matter to clear the doubts in my mind. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Friday, 7 August, 2009 12:32:58 PM Re: Re: Creativity and Jyotish Dear Krishna ji, I think the word CONTROL comes from the translated dictum.:-) Nonetheless, Saturn does greatly influence Venus. Despite the difference in longitude, Saturn has come with a greater purpose and strength (5L exalted in 10th from its house). It can even convey effectively from a distance. Venus is in 10H from Saturn, and its dispositor under check of saturn. And from Venus, Saturn is also the 7L aspecting venus. In navamsha it is conjoined the dispositor of venus. If we check the subtle impulses of these planets (through NL/SL), may be its ketu who connects and delivers! Venus, however, would surely try to go out of saturn’s hold, being distant and closer to mars, etc., whenever its dasha/antars arrive. But having been through the Venus MD before 23 years of age might be one of the discouraging factors. But of course, it is easier said on the hindsight! Thanks and Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Dear Krishna ji, There are basic differences in the structure of chart and working of planets. Its like comparing an orange with an apple :-) Marriage is a norm, and denial is abnormal. The horoscope must show multiple negations to deny marriage. The one major dictum I quoted, since it was significant, but nothing is applicable in isolation, won’t you agree? Please compare the purpose of Saturn and Jupiter in the two charts and the difference would be clear. In Gopi ji’s chart, there are several no-marriage pointers, including the divisional strength and dashas. Nonetheless, we cannot claim 100 per cent success with principles. There is much beyond our normal vision. As I said in my earlier mail, it is easier when we look back! IMHO, some important differences between the two charts are: Saturn himself is lord of 7H with its MT sign in 7th, so it comes with a mandate to give marriage to the native, though as a slow planet, it can be delayed (not sure in this case as too many influences can give early marriage). In D-9, Saturn gains strength, in own house and aspecting 7H. Saturn aspects moon and venus, but cancer and libra are untouched, the signs for emotions and marriage of KPK. I expect the native to be spiritually inclined because of close aspect on moon. 7H has the benefic aspect of Jup, and Jup in libra is blessing the houses of desire, 3/7/11, as well as bhagyasthan. Giving him fulfilment of desires, may be poetic expressions, hobbies like studies of scriptures, travelling, etc. Native gets Jupiter’s mahadasha at the age of about 23 and Jupiter being a natural as well as a functional benefic for leo is bound to give good results. It also gains panchadha maitri with venus, LL sun and Saturn. In fact, Jupiter dasha would give him worldly success including prestigious job as it enters the scene (pad prapti and gains). Jupiter as 5L is well placed and 5H is strong, so there is no denial of children. I guess this native must’ve got married but saturn’s dasha from 1997, would also give him a slow and steady transformation towards spirituality, might lead to distancing from spouse for this reason. Hope I am able to explain myself. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Dear Krishna Ji, Neelam Ji, Wonderful dialogue to learn from. It is also interesting that in Gopi Ji's chart Sa is influencing Ve and Moon (Ve's dispositor) while sitting in a Venusian sign, hence his " grip " on Venus is much stronger. In the 2nd chart, the same " strong grip " is missing, despite the aspect on Ve and Mo. Regards,  -Manoj  ________________________________ neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Friday, August 7, 2009 7:54:25 AM Re: Marriage - Neelam ji Dear Krishna ji, There are basic differences in the structure of chart and working of planets. Its like comparing an orange with an apple :-) Marriage is a norm, and denial is abnormal. The horoscope must show multiple negations to deny marriage. The one major dictum I quoted, since it was significant, but nothing is applicable in isolation, won’t you agree? Please compare the purpose of Saturn and Jupiter in the two charts and the difference would be clear. In Gopi ji’s chart, there are several no-marriage pointers, including the divisional strength and dashas. Nonetheless, we cannot claim 100 per cent success with principles. There is much beyond our normal vision. As I said in my earlier mail, it is easier when we look back! IMHO, some important differences between the two charts are: Saturn himself is lord of 7H with its MT sign in 7th, so it comes with a mandate to give marriage to the native, though as a slow planet, it can be delayed (not sure in this case as too many influences can give early marriage). In D-9, Saturn gains strength, in own house and aspecting 7H. Saturn aspects moon and venus, but cancer and libra are untouched, the signs for emotions and marriage of KPK. I expect the native to be spiritually inclined because of close aspect on moon. 7H has the benefic aspect of Jup, and Jup in libra is blessing the houses of desire, 3/7/11, as well as bhagyasthan. Giving him fulfilment of desires, may be poetic expressions, hobbies like studies of scriptures, travelling, etc. Native gets Jupiter’s mahadasha at the age of about 23 and Jupiter being a natural as well as a functional benefic for leo is bound to give good results. It also gains panchadha maitri with venus, LL sun and Saturn. In fact, Jupiter dasha would give him worldly success including prestigious job as it enters the scene (pad prapti and gains). Jupiter as 5L is well placed and 5H is strong, so there is no denial of children. I guess this native must’ve got married but saturn’s dasha from 1997, would also give him a slow and steady transformation towards spirituality, might lead to distancing from spouse for this reason. Hope I am able to explain myself. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 Dear Neelam ji, Thanks for taking time and looking into the new chart and giving your comments. Yes, I agree with you that the two charts are structurally very different. And, many of your readings on the new chart are pretty accurate, if not all. That is my own chart for your information :-) My intention was to examine similar combination in two charts and evaluate if they are giving similar results. If not, in my opinion, that is not the most critical combination for the event as other factors could ride over it. It could only be a supporting factor. Only with this approach I was able to identify clearly the combination for diabetes (for both type-1 and type-2). So far, all diabetes charts that I have studied (at least 100 charts so far) show the combination that I have listed without a single exception! I am trying to gather such a combination for each of the significant events in life, denial marriage is one of them. I believe that with time, we will be able to spot the most critical combination. Thanks again for your time and effort. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Friday, 7 August, 2009 8:24:25 PM Re: Marriage - Neelam ji Dear Krishna ji, There are basic differences in the structure of chart and working of planets. Its like comparing an orange with an apple :-) Marriage is a norm, and denial is abnormal. The horoscope must show multiple negations to deny marriage. The one major dictum I quoted, since it was significant, but nothing is applicable in isolation, won’t you agree? Please compare the purpose of Saturn and Jupiter in the two charts and the difference would be clear. In Gopi ji’s chart, there are several no-marriage pointers, including the divisional strength and dashas. Nonetheless, we cannot claim 100 per cent success with principles. There is much beyond our normal vision. As I said in my earlier mail, it is easier when we look back! IMHO, some important differences between the two charts are: Saturn himself is lord of 7H with its MT sign in 7th, so it comes with a mandate to give marriage to the native, though as a slow planet, it can be delayed (not sure in this case as too many influences can give early marriage). In D-9, Saturn gains strength, in own house and aspecting 7H. Saturn aspects moon and venus, but cancer and libra are untouched, the signs for emotions and marriage of KPK. I expect the native to be spiritually inclined because of close aspect on moon. 7H has the benefic aspect of Jup, and Jup in libra is blessing the houses of desire, 3/7/11, as well as bhagyasthan. Giving him fulfilment of desires, may be poetic expressions, hobbies like studies of scriptures, travelling, etc. Native gets Jupiter’s mahadasha at the age of about 23 and Jupiter being a natural as well as a functional benefic for leo is bound to give good results. It also gains panchadha maitri with venus, LL sun and Saturn. In fact, Jupiter dasha would give him worldly success including prestigious job as it enters the scene (pad prapti and gains). Jupiter as 5L is well placed and 5H is strong, so there is no denial of children. I guess this native must’ve got married but saturn’s dasha from 1997, would also give him a slow and steady transformation towards spirituality, might lead to distancing from spouse for this reason. Hope I am able to explain myself. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 Dear Manoj ji, Even in the second chart Saturn is aspecting Sun who is the dispositor of Venus. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj Saturday, 8 August, 2009 12:09:23 AM Re: Marriage - Neelam ji  Dear Krishna Ji, Neelam Ji, Wonderful dialogue to learn from. It is also interesting that in Gopi Ji's chart Sa is influencing Ve and Moon (Ve's dispositor) while sitting in a Venusian sign, hence his " grip " on Venus is much stronger. In the 2nd chart, the same " strong grip " is missing, despite the aspect on Ve and Mo. Regards,  -Manoj  ____________ _________ _________ __ neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> Friday, August 7, 2009 7:54:25 AM Re: Marriage - Neelam ji Dear Krishna ji, There are basic differences in the structure of chart and working of planets. Its like comparing an orange with an apple :-) Marriage is a norm, and denial is abnormal. The horoscope must show multiple negations to deny marriage. The one major dictum I quoted, since it was significant, but nothing is applicable in isolation, won’t you agree? Please compare the purpose of Saturn and Jupiter in the two charts and the difference would be clear. In Gopi ji’s chart, there are several no-marriage pointers, including the divisional strength and dashas. Nonetheless, we cannot claim 100 per cent success with principles. There is much beyond our normal vision. As I said in my earlier mail, it is easier when we look back! IMHO, some important differences between the two charts are: Saturn himself is lord of 7H with its MT sign in 7th, so it comes with a mandate to give marriage to the native, though as a slow planet, it can be delayed (not sure in this case as too many influences can give early marriage). In D-9, Saturn gains strength, in own house and aspecting 7H. Saturn aspects moon and venus, but cancer and libra are untouched, the signs for emotions and marriage of KPK. I expect the native to be spiritually inclined because of close aspect on moon. 7H has the benefic aspect of Jup, and Jup in libra is blessing the houses of desire, 3/7/11, as well as bhagyasthan. Giving him fulfilment of desires, may be poetic expressions, hobbies like studies of scriptures, travelling, etc. Native gets Jupiter’s mahadasha at the age of about 23 and Jupiter being a natural as well as a functional benefic for leo is bound to give good results. It also gains panchadha maitri with venus, LL sun and Saturn. In fact, Jupiter dasha would give him worldly success including prestigious job as it enters the scene (pad prapti and gains). Jupiter as 5L is well placed and 5H is strong, so there is no denial of children. I guess this native must’ve got married but saturn’s dasha from 1997, would also give him a slow and steady transformation towards spirituality, might lead to distancing from spouse for this reason. Hope I am able to explain myself. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 I think it has to do with the mandate each planet comes with! :-) Neelam 2009/8/8 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > Even in the second chart Saturn is aspecting Sun who is the dispositor of > Venus. > > Regards, > Krishna > > ________________________________ > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj<chandran_manoj%40> > > > <%40> > Saturday, 8 August, 2009 12:09:23 AM > > Re: Marriage - Neelam ji > > > Dear Krishna Ji, Neelam Ji, > > Wonderful dialogue to learn from. It is also interesting that in Gopi Ji's > chart Sa is influencing Ve and Moon (Ve's dispositor) while sitting in a > Venusian sign, hence his " grip " on Venus is much stronger. In the 2nd chart, > the same " strong grip " is missing, despite the aspect on Ve and Mo. > > Regards, > -Manoj > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > > Friday, August 7, 2009 7:54:25 AM > Re: Marriage - Neelam ji > > Dear Krishna ji, > > There are basic differences in the structure of chart and working of > planets. Its like comparing an orange with an apple :-) > > Marriage is a norm, and denial is abnormal. The horoscope must show > multiple > negations to deny marriage. The one major dictum I quoted, since it was > significant, but nothing is applicable in isolation, won’t you agree? > Please > compare the purpose of Saturn and Jupiter in the two charts and the > difference would be clear. In Gopi ji’s chart, there are several > no-marriage > pointers, including the divisional strength and dashas. > > Nonetheless, we cannot claim 100 per cent success with principles. There is > much beyond our normal vision. As I said in my earlier mail, it is easier > when we look back! > > IMHO, some important differences between the two charts are: > > Saturn himself is lord of 7H with its MT sign in 7th, so it comes with a > mandate to give marriage to the native, though as a slow planet, it can be > delayed (not sure in this case as too many influences can give early > marriage). In D-9, Saturn gains strength, in own house and aspecting 7H. > Saturn aspects moon and venus, but cancer and libra are untouched, the > signs > for emotions and marriage of KPK. I expect the native to be spiritually > inclined because of close aspect on moon. > > 7H has the benefic aspect of Jup, and Jup in libra is blessing the houses > of > desire, 3/7/11, as well as bhagyasthan. Giving him fulfilment of desires, > may be poetic expressions, hobbies like studies of scriptures, travelling, > etc. > > Native gets Jupiter’s mahadasha at the age of about 23 and Jupiter being a > natural as well as a functional benefic for leo is bound to give good > results. It also gains panchadha maitri with venus, LL sun and Saturn. In > fact, Jupiter dasha would give him worldly success including prestigious > job > as it enters the scene (pad prapti and gains). > > Jupiter as 5L is well placed and 5H is strong, so there is no denial of > children. > > I guess this native must’ve got married but saturn’s dasha from 1997, would > also give him a slow and steady transformation towards spirituality, might > lead to distancing from spouse for this reason. > > Hope I am able to explain myself. > > Regards > Neelam > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 Dear Neelam ji, You are right, the mandate can not be ignored. I was only indicating something Manoj ji overlooked. Since in each chart the mandate of the planets change, the first thing one should try to identify is what mandate does each planet has in a chart. In case of my chart, Saturn being the 7L, the mandate was to promote marriage. And, in fact the marriage took place during Jup-Sat period. In case of Gopi ji's chart, Saturn did not have such an obligation w.r.t marriage and hence when it comes to marriage it showed its natural colors by influencing Moon and Venus (and Cancer and Libra). It would be interesting to study some more charts to drill this through further. If you have any chart as an example for denial of marriage please do share. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Saturday, 8 August, 2009 12:45:43 PM Re: Marriage - Neelam ji I think it has to do with the mandate each planet comes with! :-) Neelam 2009/8/8 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > Even in the second chart Saturn is aspecting Sun who is the dispositor of > Venus. > > Regards, > Krishna > > ________________________________ > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj<chandran_manoj%40> > > > <%40> > Saturday, 8 August, 2009 12:09:23 AM > > Re: Marriage - Neelam ji > > > Dear Krishna Ji, Neelam Ji, > > Wonderful dialogue to learn from. It is also interesting that in Gopi Ji's > chart Sa is influencing Ve and Moon (Ve's dispositor) while sitting in a > Venusian sign, hence his " grip " on Venus is much stronger. In the 2nd chart, > the same " strong grip " is missing, despite the aspect on Ve and Mo. > > Regards, > -Manoj > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > > Friday, August 7, 2009 7:54:25 AM > Re: Marriage - Neelam ji > > Dear Krishna ji, > > There are basic differences in the structure of chart and working of > planets. Its like comparing an orange with an apple :-) > > Marriage is a norm, and denial is abnormal. The horoscope must show > multiple > negations to deny marriage. The one major dictum I quoted, since it was > significant, but nothing is applicable in isolation, won’t you agree? > Please > compare the purpose of Saturn and Jupiter in the two charts and the > difference would be clear. In Gopi ji’s chart, there are several > no-marriage > pointers, including the divisional strength and dashas. > > Nonetheless, we cannot claim 100 per cent success with principles. There is > much beyond our normal vision. As I said in my earlier mail, it is easier > when we look back! > > IMHO, some important differences between the two charts are: > > Saturn himself is lord of 7H with its MT sign in 7th, so it comes with a > mandate to give marriage to the native, though as a slow planet, it can be > delayed (not sure in this case as too many influences can give early > marriage). In D-9, Saturn gains strength, in own house and aspecting 7H. > Saturn aspects moon and venus, but cancer and libra are untouched, the > signs > for emotions and marriage of KPK. I expect the native to be spiritually > inclined because of close aspect on moon. > > 7H has the benefic aspect of Jup, and Jup in libra is blessing the houses > of > desire, 3/7/11, as well as bhagyasthan. Giving him fulfilment of desires, > may be poetic expressions, hobbies like studies of scriptures, travelling, > etc. > > Native gets Jupiter’s mahadasha at the age of about 23 and Jupiter being a > natural as well as a functional benefic for leo is bound to give good > results. It also gains panchadha maitri with venus, LL sun and Saturn. In > fact, Jupiter dasha would give him worldly success including prestigious > job > as it enters the scene (pad prapti and gains). > > Jupiter as 5L is well placed and 5H is strong, so there is no denial of > children. > > I guess this native must’ve got married but saturn’s dasha from 1997, would > also give him a slow and steady transformation towards spirituality, might > lead to distancing from spouse for this reason. > > Hope I am able to explain myself. > > Regards > Neelam > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Dear Neelam ji,Krishna murthy ji and others, first thankyou for discussing my chart deeply and then sorry that i could not respond due to some commitments and i am off the net.Hopefully i will get back very soon in detail....... Love and regards, gopi , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Neelam ji, > > You are right, the mandate can not be ignored. I was only indicating something Manoj ji overlooked. > > Since in each chart the mandate of the planets change, the first thing one should try to identify is what mandate does each planet has in a chart. In case of my chart, Saturn being the 7L, the mandate was to promote marriage. And, in fact the marriage took place during Jup-Sat period. In case of Gopi ji's chart, Saturn did not have such an obligation w.r.t marriage and hence when it comes to marriage it showed its natural colors by influencing Moon and Venus (and Cancer and Libra). > > It would be interesting to study some more charts to drill this through further. If you have any chart as an example for denial of marriage please do share. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > > > ________________________________ > neelam gupta neelamgupta07 > > Saturday, 8 August, 2009 12:45:43 PM > Re: Marriage - Neelam ji > > I think it has to do with the mandate each planet comes with! :-) > Neelam > > > 2009/8/8 Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998 > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > Even in the second chart Saturn is aspecting Sun who is the dispositor of > > Venus. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > ________________________________ > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj<chandran_manoj%40> > > > > > <%40> > > Saturday, 8 August, 2009 12:09:23 AM > > > > Re: Marriage - Neelam ji > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji, Neelam Ji, > > > > Wonderful dialogue to learn from. It is also interesting that in Gopi Ji's > > chart Sa is influencing Ve and Moon (Ve's dispositor) while sitting in a > > Venusian sign, hence his " grip " on Venus is much stronger. In the 2nd chart, > > the same " strong grip " is missing, despite the aspect on Ve and Mo. > > > > Regards, > > -Manoj > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > > > > Friday, August 7, 2009 7:54:25 AM > > Re: Marriage - Neelam ji > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > There are basic differences in the structure of chart and working of > > planets. Its like comparing an orange with an apple :-) > > > > Marriage is a norm, and denial is abnormal. The horoscope must show > > multiple > > negations to deny marriage. The one major dictum I quoted, since it was > > significant, but nothing is applicable in isolation, won’t you agree? > > Please > > compare the purpose of Saturn and Jupiter in the two charts and the > > difference would be clear. In Gopi ji’s chart, there are several > > no-marriage > > pointers, including the divisional strength and dashas. > > > > Nonetheless, we cannot claim 100 per cent success with principles. There is > > much beyond our normal vision. As I said in my earlier mail, it is easier > > when we look back! > > > > IMHO, some important differences between the two charts are: > > > > Saturn himself is lord of 7H with its MT sign in 7th, so it comes with a > > mandate to give marriage to the native, though as a slow planet, it can be > > delayed (not sure in this case as too many influences can give early > > marriage). In D-9, Saturn gains strength, in own house and aspecting 7H. > > Saturn aspects moon and venus, but cancer and libra are untouched, the > > signs > > for emotions and marriage of KPK. I expect the native to be spiritually > > inclined because of close aspect on moon. > > > > 7H has the benefic aspect of Jup, and Jup in libra is blessing the houses > > of > > desire, 3/7/11, as well as bhagyasthan. Giving him fulfilment of desires, > > may be poetic expressions, hobbies like studies of scriptures, travelling, > > etc. > > > > Native gets Jupiter’s mahadasha at the age of about 23 and Jupiter being a > > natural as well as a functional benefic for leo is bound to give good > > results. It also gains panchadha maitri with venus, LL sun and Saturn. In > > fact, Jupiter dasha would give him worldly success including prestigious > > job > > as it enters the scene (pad prapti and gains). > > > > Jupiter as 5L is well placed and 5H is strong, so there is no denial of > > children. > > > > I guess this native must’ve got married but saturn’s dasha from 1997, would > > also give him a slow and steady transformation towards spirituality, might > > lead to distancing from spouse for this reason. > > > > Hope I am able to explain myself. > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Dear Krishna Ji, I did not over look that but mistyped when I said Saturn aspects Venus and Moon (although it is still true, not as significant). However Saturn's aspect on Venus from Venus' house is a much more powerful influence. In Shri Gopi Ji' s chart it not only aspects Venus' dispositor and Venus but does so from Venus' house. In the second chart, that is not the case. I think it is still a more powerful Grip, in Shri Gopi Ji's chart. However, in the second chart, the same kind of " Grip " does hold true for Mars who is the 4L and 9L. So Sa aspecting 4L from the 4H and also Moon, may have caused some trouble for 4H matters??? especially since Ma is also 9L ? By the way your analysis of Diabetes is simply brilliant. I have Type 2 diabetes as well and it perfectly falls in to the category. Here is the data: June 8, 1970, 5:02 PM, Tirrupathur, Tamil Nadu. Diagnosed in 2000. BTW here again Sa aspects LL Ma from 6H, from Mars's house, once again the " Grip " is very powerful. I have learnt the power of Sa aspecting a planet while sitting in that planets house through personal experience. Several members of my close family have this and results are quite devastating. So even though I dont have that much experience (astro wise), please keep that in the back of your mind in your research. Regards,  -Manoj  ________________________________ Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 Saturday, August 8, 2009 12:02:31 AM Re: Marriage - Neelam ji  Dear Manoj ji, Even in the second chart Saturn is aspecting Sun who is the dispositor of Venus. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > Saturday, 8 August, 2009 12:09:23 AM Re: Marriage - Neelam ji  Dear Krishna Ji, Neelam Ji, Wonderful dialogue to learn from. It is also interesting that in Gopi Ji's chart Sa is influencing Ve and Moon (Ve's dispositor) while sitting in a Venusian sign, hence his " grip " on Venus is much stronger. In the 2nd chart, the same " strong grip " is missing, despite the aspect on Ve and Mo. Regards,  -Manoj  ____________ _________ _________ __ neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> Friday, August 7, 2009 7:54:25 AM Re: Marriage - Neelam ji Dear Krishna ji, There are basic differences in the structure of chart and working of planets. Its like comparing an orange with an apple :-) Marriage is a norm, and denial is abnormal. The horoscope must show multiple negations to deny marriage. The one major dictum I quoted, since it was significant, but nothing is applicable in isolation, won’t you agree? Please compare the purpose of Saturn and Jupiter in the two charts and the difference would be clear. In Gopi ji’s chart, there are several no-marriage pointers, including the divisional strength and dashas. Nonetheless, we cannot claim 100 per cent success with principles. There is much beyond our normal vision. As I said in my earlier mail, it is easier when we look back! IMHO, some important differences between the two charts are: Saturn himself is lord of 7H with its MT sign in 7th, so it comes with a mandate to give marriage to the native, though as a slow planet, it can be delayed (not sure in this case as too many influences can give early marriage). In D-9, Saturn gains strength, in own house and aspecting 7H. Saturn aspects moon and venus, but cancer and libra are untouched, the signs for emotions and marriage of KPK. I expect the native to be spiritually inclined because of close aspect on moon. 7H has the benefic aspect of Jup, and Jup in libra is blessing the houses of desire, 3/7/11, as well as bhagyasthan. Giving him fulfilment of desires, may be poetic expressions, hobbies like studies of scriptures, travelling, etc. Native gets Jupiter’s mahadasha at the age of about 23 and Jupiter being a natural as well as a functional benefic for leo is bound to give good results. It also gains panchadha maitri with venus, LL sun and Saturn. In fact, Jupiter dasha would give him worldly success including prestigious job as it enters the scene (pad prapti and gains). Jupiter as 5L is well placed and 5H is strong, so there is no denial of children. I guess this native must’ve got married but saturn’s dasha from 1997, would also give him a slow and steady transformation towards spirituality, might lead to distancing from spouse for this reason. Hope I am able to explain myself. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Dear Krishna, This is for you. If this could be of any help to your research. Delay and denial of marriage is being discussed. He is male. Some background information for working on the chart. A class one officer of Government of India - took voluntary retirement three years ago. Earning well now than what he earned during his service. A staunch Hindu but likes Christians and Christianity. See the exchange of Moon and Sun. Father died and he got employment. Mother died he took voluntary retirement. See the Moon and Venus. No marriage so far. (There is an interesting twist here.) Male 1710 hours 2nd August 1954 78E41; 10N49 Zone 5:30 DST:0 Regards, C.S. Ravindramani You wrote: My intention was to examine similar combination in two charts and evaluate if they are giving similar results. If not, in my opinion, that is not the most critical combination for the event as other factors could ride over it. It could only be a supporting factor. Only with this approach I was able to identify clearly the combination for diabetes (for both type-1 and type-2). So far, all diabetes charts that I have studied (at least 100 charts so far) show the combination that I have listed without a single exception! I am trying to gather such a combination for each of the significant events in life, denial marriage is one of them. I believe that with time, we will be able to spot the most critical combination. Thanks again for your time and effort. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Dear Ravindramani ji, Thanks for sharing the interesting chart. The native is running Jup-Rah and is at the fag end of Jupiter MD. A change in life for him, some of which he’s already experiencing for the last 2-3 years. Any serious relationship in Jup-Rah, or the native might be thinking of marriage? Jupiter is closely conjunct nodal axis in 1-7 and in sagi sign, hence Rahu could bring in an alliance from another religion. There are such indications from both lagna and moon and in navamsha again Jup-Rahu remain connected with Jupiter taking amsha of 5H. He might also have for good financial gains and position in Saturn mahadasha. Saturn is strong 2/3lord and activates lagna/5H/8H and 11H. In any case, does not appear to be a case of vairagya of Saturn! Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Neelam Ji, I understand your logic and line of arguement. But the fact of the matter is that he is not at all thinking of marriage now. I know him. I have the permission to discuss this chart. In April 97, his marriage was fixed. The period was of Jupiter/Sat/Mercury. The marriage was called off or cancelled before three days of marriage. This was the twist which I wrote in my mail. From the Moon and Venus, Saturn is exalted 7th lord . Jupiter, the 5th Lord aspecting the 7th house. (Jupiter is Ganga Jal - this what my teacher says) Mercury is the 7th lord from the lagna proper. Mercury is in 8th in his own navamsa. Mercury assumes the 8th lordship there. The reason for cancellation of marriage was alleged chronic disease which the bride was suffering that was not revealed to the bridegroom side till the time of cancellation. Now it is for the learned astrologers to see the mandate of the planets and how they are operating in this chart. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 8:52 PM, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07wrote: > Dear Ravindramani ji, > > Thanks for sharing the interesting chart. > > The native is running Jup-Rah and is at the fag end of Jupiter MD. A change > in life for him, some of which he’s already experiencing for the last 2-3 > years. Any serious relationship in Jup-Rah, or the native might be thinking > of marriage? Jupiter is closely conjunct nodal axis in 1-7 and in sagi > sign, > hence Rahu could bring in an alliance from another religion. There are such > indications from both lagna and moon and in navamsha again Jup-Rahu remain > connected with Jupiter taking amsha of 5H. He might also have for good > financial gains and position in Saturn mahadasha. Saturn is strong 2/3lord > and activates lagna/5H/8H and 11H. In any case, does not appear to be a > case > of vairagya of Saturn! > > Regards > Neelam > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Dear Ravidramai ji, Thanks for the details. It was for this *Gangajal* that I thought it could be a case of delay but not denial. Jupiter also qualifies as the planet who can give marriage being LL and place in 7H with 7L. Besides other factors, as mentioned by you and others, it could be of karaka Venus who is not only in close conjunction with moon, is also in Leo, and extremely weak in rashi ant. Regards Neelam 2009/8/11 C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani > > > Neelam Ji, > > I understand your logic and line of arguement. But the fact of the matter > is that he is not at all thinking of marriage now. I know him. I have the > permission to discuss this chart. In April 97, his marriage was fixed. The > period was of Jupiter/Sat/Mercury. The marriage was called off or cancelled > before three days of marriage. This was the twist which I wrote in my mail. > > From the Moon and Venus, Saturn is exalted 7th lord . Jupiter, the 5th Lord > aspecting the 7th house. (Jupiter is Ganga Jal - this what my teacher says) > Mercury is the 7th lord from the lagna proper. Mercury is in 8th in his own > navamsa. Mercury assumes the 8th lordship there. The reason for > cancellation of marriage was alleged chronic disease which the bride was > suffering that was not revealed to the bridegroom side till the time of > cancellation. > > Now it is for the learned astrologers to see the mandate of the planets and > how they are operating in this chart. > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 8:52 PM, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07<neelamgupta07%40gmail.com> > >wrote: > > > > Dear Ravindramani ji, > > > > Thanks for sharing the interesting chart. > > > > The native is running Jup-Rah and is at the fag end of Jupiter MD. A > change > > in life for him, some of which he’s already experiencing for the last 2-3 > > years. Any serious relationship in Jup-Rah, or the native might be > thinking > > of marriage? Jupiter is closely conjunct nodal axis in 1-7 and in sagi > > sign, > > hence Rahu could bring in an alliance from another religion. There are > such > > indications from both lagna and moon and in navamsha again Jup-Rahu > remain > > connected with Jupiter taking amsha of 5H. He might also have for good > > financial gains and position in Saturn mahadasha. Saturn is strong > 2/3lord > > and activates lagna/5H/8H and 11H. In any case, does not appear to be a > > case > > of vairagya of Saturn! > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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