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parvasudhar2065 , " harimalla " <harimalla wrote:

 

you have got a point ,man...now let's see how the other's REACT to this???if

they still oppose,leave it....for you just cannot make ppl understand what they

just don't want to understand...ppl forget that sooooooo many of our scriptures

have got lost and sooo much of valuable information in the form of ancient

scriptures have been smuggled out to the foriegn lands..there is sooo much

missing in the current knowledge that we have..IF the takshashila & nalanda had

not been destroyed..if all those valuable scriptures were still at hand..IF the

british had not suppressed our ancient..lines of system's.......U know all they

did...how they used to punish ppl........so that most of the valuable traits

disappeared in the course of time...which were taught... by mouth..recitals

i.e.... & so much more, let's not go into history now........

 

--- On Wed, 4/29/09, Hari Malla <harimalla wrote:

 

 

Hari Malla <harimalla

The dharmic basis of jyotish

 

Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 9:19 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sunil Nairji, Bhaskarji and Sreenadhji,

Because of Bhaskarji's question on the postiion of the pole star,I am writing

this mail.This mail perhaps will be last one for the time being.I have changed

the title so it sounds more relevant.What is the basis of jyotish? I have also

found sunilji as a innocent person so I will today go in more details about the

religious basis of jyotish.

1.From the point of religion, the hindu char dham( four pilgrimages) is

important.The northern dham is known as Badri- kedar and the shankarachary

dwells there in joshi math.I think this surely is the religious basis of

jyotish.Why did Adi shankaracharya establilsh the jyoshi math or jyotish math

there.Because that is symbolic of north pole and the northernmost point nearest

to the pole star.We further enumerate the importance of the pole star.

 

2.Now we also know that Brihaspati is the guru of the gods.He is also the guru

of the jyotishis.His wife's name is Tara.I think this tara is non other than the

pole star.Then what is guru? Guru is the earth axis pointing to the pole star in

the sky. If one wants to see thpole star from kerala, we see it just about 10

derees above the northern horizon.

3.In the Ramayan also Tara is mentioned. Here this is the wife of

sugriva.Hanuman is able to travel to lanka because of tara.the pole star fixes

teh uttrayan and the dakhinayan.when hanuman jumps across the ocean the jump is

from uttarayan to dakhinayan.

4.In the list of five types of months sreenadhji had written 'Arun' as one type

of month.This is the month of maagha which is the first month after uttarayan.

Now it is said that Arun had two sons whose names were jatayu and sampadi.It wa

sampadi who showed hanuman where to find sita.Thus from this, we can say that

hanuman jumped from uttaryan to dakhinayan.

 

5.Mr sunil nair has said that he is disturbed by the calender issue even in his

meditation.the act of meditation is mentioned in one story as 'uttanpada' in

Bhagvatam.This means when we put our feet facing up, while sitting in meditation

in padma asana.The first son of uttanpada is said to be dhruva from hi wife

su-niti meaning good 'niti' or ethics.thus the first result of metationis

thepole star.Then dhruva had his step mother named as su-ruchi meaning our

'liking'.to satisfy his step mother he goes to meditate and gets the param pada

ie absolute status of vishnu, in six months.This means when a line is drawn from

utarayan to dakhinayan we have to cross six months.

 

6.We all know that jyotish is based on lagan rashi.Now if we think of the total

lagan in 24 hours, the sun and the moon and the stars rise in the aest and go to

the west every day.What is the centre around which all these bodies travel ?.It

is of course the pole star.You will see that the whole sky makes a circle every

day around th pole star which appears to be fixed in heaven as the centre of the

sky.Thus being above the earth axis, it is known as dhruva meaing the axial.Thus

the pole star is the true basis of jyotish from varius angles. Then why there is

so much irrittion on setting the uttaryan and dakhinayan right so that our

jyotish and festivals both become accurate? Since we get our direction from the

pole star if we forget it we will surely be directionless, which seems to be the

stauts of our religious calender and jyotish shastra at present.

Thank you Nairji ,Bhaskarji and Sreenadjhji. Goodbye,

Hari Malla

 

 

 

 

--

Sreenadh <sreesog >

ancient_indian_ astrology

Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:43:01 AM

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Calender reform

 

 

Dear Sunil ji,

That was an eye opener about Kaulian tactics.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala@ ...> wrote:

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> dear respected bhaskar ji

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> i was keeping quiet to this blabberings and indiscreet talks in the name

> of calender strted again today after they failed to produce anything and

> even a calender which i was challenging all this yrs ,becauase i hav so

> many things to do and even this malla ji s nuisance mails is affecting

> our day to day prayers and meditations too ,it becomes so easy for many

> to join in astrology grps because we try to maintain some satwikness in

> our approach and activities and they think it as weakness

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> if some ppl r determined to disturb astrologers then may b we hav to

> strt our own jihad i blv ,this is too much and height of extreme

> arrogance .

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> did he ever tried his own suggestions in his calendrical way .

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> malla ji says

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> " " " we must coordinate four things,the sun,(solar date) the moon(tithi or

> lunar date), the pole star(uttarayan or season) and the nakshyatras(

> sidereal maghaa nakshyatra). " " " " "

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> " " " " Vedanga Jyotish says,when the sun and the moon rise toether in

> dhanistha, then the five years yuga, the month of maagha, tapa sukla

> pakshya and uttrayan start together " " " "

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> sun and moon in dhanishta nakhstra

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> just waisting time of others and it will come around feb 6th to sun to

> atleast come to dhanishta and that time moon will b in taurus rohini

> nakshtra and then calculate how many days it will take to come to

> dhanishta nakshtra by the time sun will move out of dhanishta ,now they

> will come with another excuse of tropical calenders ,again tropical

> calenders dont hav nakshtra ?? so how again it is possible

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> and both the case where is Uttarayana here ,where is makara samkranti ??

> where is tapa here and where is magha maasa ??

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> kaul says uttarayan strt with 22nd dec and now he wants on feb 6 ,my

> foot ,r we in some mental assylum ?? phew ennough is enough

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> is zodiac is some grandpa ancient wooden clock we used to change its

> hands at our wish and will

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> where is pole star did he know atleast nursery lessons in chart making

> ?? did he learned sputayana ?? atleast ??forget abt astronmical

> treatises called surya sidhantha and other granthas

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> they know only to call others charlattans or frauds who ever contributed

> to hindu sastras as it is a block to their missions in india and world

> at large ,i know some ppl after talking to me and after i convinced them

> first thing they r doing is applying for de baptisation ,so this sastra

> has to b eradicated frm earth that is the mission in the name of

> calenders and hindu festivals .

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> he and kaulians has lost everything they become realy Niradhar and gone

> to bananas

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> now again coming with blah blah blah theories .

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> when u answer them tru quotes and vedas they get orgasam as they can

> twist it and quote all western centric authors and make us to answer

> even why u worship monkey god where as i was always using diffrnt

> approach a layman's or a uneducated hindu farmers approach .or riksha

> pullers approach .Ask some innocent questions

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> it is where he run away ,other wise many many big scholars failed with

> them because finaly they stops ,because no body can suffer this verbal

> daiorria

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> rgrds sunil nair

 

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