Fw: [HinduCalendar] Sri Mohan Krity Arsh Tithi Patrak-2066

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Dear Darshaneyji,

 

Namaste,

 

By now you must have found out that Shri Kaul does not really understand the

meaning of Nirayana or Sidereal. The Sidereal or Nirayana has to be associated

with the Nakshatras. Shri Kaul is saying the first month of the Vedic calendar

year  should be Tapa. Vedic literature recognises Tapa as the start of the

seasonal year and not necessarily as the start of the calendar year. The 5-year

Vedic Yuga cycle, mentioned in the Vedanga Jyotisha starts from a Soli-Lunar

month of Magha and that too a Purnimanta month. This is made clear in the

Satapatha Brahmana, which says that the 5-year Yuga cycles start from Purnima.

Tapa always starts from the Shuklapratipada immediately after the Uttarayana as

Tapa and the Tapasya are the months of the Shishira ritu and that will not

necessarily always coincide with the start of the Yuga cycle.

 

Now coming to Shri Harimalla he wants the name of the Rashis and the Nakshatras

to be changed. It is sheer insanity. Can he called the Mahabharata as the

Ramayana?  He does not understand the effect of the precession at all. Does he

have an evil design or else why would he try to change the names of the

Nakshatras and the Rashis? Does he think the Hindus to be fools?

 

The ancient naked-eye astronomers obviously were unable to locate the

positions of the Grahas of the Solar sysytem in the edliptic at any given time

in the wide open sky, without some markers.  They are best identified within

 the Nakshatra-formations as the markers in the twelve segments of the

ecliptic. These division of the ecliptic into the twelve segments is

mentioned in the RigVeda.and these segments are nothing but the Rashis, which

contained the specific Nakshatra-formations. These rashis became the markers for

the astronomers. Earlier 28 Nakshatras were considered and the Brahma rashi

mentioned in the mahabharata contained the Abhijit nakshatra. There is mention

of the fall of the Abhijit in the Mahabharata and after the fall of the Abhijit

was recognised only 27 Nakshatras came to be considered and they were divided

into 27 equal divisions. The Bhagavata purana, which was composed after the

Mahabharata, mentions the name of the

rashis as we know today

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

 

--- On Mon, 5/11/09, darshaneylokesh <darshaneylokesh

wrote:

 

 

darshaneylokesh <darshaneylokesh

Fw: Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: Sri Mohan Krity Arsh Tithi Patrak-2066

" Sarv Mangla " <sarvmangla

Cc: " Shailandra Sharma " <vastusandesh, " Sai SrinivasanSai "

<saisrinivasan, " Sunil Bhattacharjya Bhattacharjya "

<sunil_bhattacharjya, " SIVA EXPORIUM " <sivaexpo,

" Suresh Bhardwaj " <bhagyadisha2007, " Yashwant Singh "

<yashwantdelhi, " Prashant Pandey " <praspandey

Monday, May 11, 2009, 8:59 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Rajendra Pandey ji, Namastey.

       Following mail, as is apparant, was in reply to the message of Shri

S Bhatacharya.

I had to give my views on some basics of the Panchang. Sayan or Nirayan words

were

to be clearified first. How to name  the Lunar month is an another point for

clearification.

       This mail was brought in the notice of by about 300 astologers.

        Now for your information as the views, there in, will help you to

understand my Panchang i.e. Sri Mohan Krity Arsh Tithi Patrak -2066.

        Please note that Panchang details for the month of Tapah (Page

71) and Tapasya (Page-75) are correct but in the concised calendar at page 87

(i.e. the last two) are wrong

hence may be ignored. In fact, for the next year we hope to get it published as

a 'Wall Calendars' in English  This concised and  tabulated Calendar is given

in the Patrak to let the  people know the format and pattern of the same.

Learned astrologers are requested to give their opinion and suggestions please.

In this connection I hope very much from Sh Sai Nivasan and Siva Raman ji.

Thanks.

         Aum Sham.

                                        \

                                       

    Achary Darshaney Lokesh

 

--- On Mon, 16/6/08, darshaney lokesh <darshaneylokesh wrote:

 

darshaney lokesh <darshaneylokesh

Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: Sayan, Nirayan and Nakshtras.

HinduCalendar

Monday, 16 June, 2008, 2:08 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear S Bhatacharya ji,

  Namastey. Ayan is certainly a samskrit word and its meaning is

‘Way or route’ i.e. in hindi ‘Marg or Rasta’. It is very correct that in

Uttarayan or Daxinayan the ayan means the same. Uttarayan i.e. on the way to

North and Daxinanyan i.e. on the way to  south  Even ayanamsh is not the

meaningless as it reveals the meaning  as‘A part of the route’. Who so ever

introduced the words Sayan and Nirayan was not knowing the correct sense of

these words. Nih+Ayan means No Ayan i.e. route less i.e. without a way. In hindi

we can understand it as’Marg rahit’ or ‘Bhatka huwa’ or say one which is

deviated from the path. I think, in future, we will be knowing about starting

user of this word but so far our calendar reform is concerned,  that will be of

no helf to us.

 

             MORE THAN THAT –The knowledge that will help us very

much is to know about 27 Nakshtras of 13 degree and 20 minute each. How and from

where this fals knowledge came to our astrologer rishis? We need to confirm

whether there concept was really false or we are incapable to reach at  that

concept. It is to remember that if equal nakshtr principle not obsereved then it

is never possible to tie up the certain festivals With some fixed nakshtras.

Tithi based festivals will have no problem. I request you   and to every 

member to please make your own research in this  and try for the appropriate

conclusion.  As reproduced  below, in an earlier post also this  was

requested.

  

      “  Till then, please think over. If we accept equal division of

27 Nakshtra  then  we loose to be TRUE but keep up some the tradional ways of

some importances. If  we accept unequal divisions of 28 Nakshtra  then we

loose completely from our traditional system such  as Nakshtra  based

nomenclatures of the Lunar Months and also some other important things observed

by religiously bent hindus. There seems something necessary evil that we have to

keep up. We have to frame  our calendar on the base of ‘minimum loss’. I

request every member to please let me know that in your opinion what is that

minimum loss that we shoul bear? Of course, please be to the point and précised

but forget not  in highlighting  your arguments.† 

 

          We have no confusion in fixing the moments of the Sankrantis

and accordingly to Name the SOLAR MONTHS. For naming the LUNAR MONTHS , I think

there is no problem. The principle to be followed is that the BFN (bright

fortnight) after the Sankranti Will be named  after that solar month only. So

for my own view is concerned Shukladi or Amant system of naming the Lunar Month

is correct and for the reformed or say standard Calendar it is correct to be

observed.

 

        “ Our ancient Rishis were SEERS  and not MATHEMATICIANS

(Mathematicians as we define in present days) . Hence they could have started a

month by NEW MOON alone  but since the new moon is not easily visible, in later

time the month beginning was pegged to  Poornima  i.e FULL MOON i.e.

Krishnadi.. This way, Shukladi and Krishnadi, both the  systems are VEDIC but

the first one is original, natural  and more logical. That is why we  have

 finally decided to the names of Lunar month in Shukladi system for throughout

INDIA . Till today all the Panchang makers including Darshaney Lokesh Were

keeping panchangas over Gregorian Calendars where as the reformed Panchang  by

ABPSS  will be kept as a base for the Gregorian  Calendar. That means the

Gregorian Calendar Will have the secondary importance .That will be the

uniqueness of  our panchang or patrak.â€

          Finally, Ayanamsh, Sankrantis, Rashis,and Names of the

solar/Lunar months are no problems. Nakshtras are the only a (seeming)  problem

and with the solution of that  the Calendar problem is over. We are at a very

difficult test set  fo us by Kalidas, “PURANMITYEV NA SADHU SARVAM;  NA

CHAAPI  KAVYAM  NAVMITYAVADYAM;  

SANTAH PAREEKSHYANYATARAD BHAJANTE; MOODHAH  PAR  PRATYAYANEYA  BUDHIH.â€

         With regards,

                                        \

                         Achary  Darshaney Lokesh

 

 Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @> wrote:

Yes, the word " Ayana' is ancient, as in its samasa we have the words

" Uttarayana " and " Dakshinayana " . We all wish to know as to when were the words

Sayana (sa + ayana) and Nirayana ( nih + ayana)  first used and by whom.

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Darshaneyji,

 

Namaste,

 

By now you must have found out that Shri Kaul does not really understand the

meaning of Nirayana or Sidereal. The Sidereal or Nirayana has to be associated

with the Nakshatras. Shri Kaul is saying the first month of the Vedic calendar

year  should be Tapa. Vedic literature recognises Tapa as the start of the

seasonal year and not necessarily as the start of the calendar year. The 5-year

Vedic Yuga cycle, mentioned in the Vedanga Jyotisha starts from a Soli-Lunar

month of Magha and that too a Purnimanta month. This is made clear in the

Satapatha Brahmana, which says that the 5-year Yuga cycles start from Purnima.

Tapa always starts from the Shuklapratipada immediately after the Uttarayana as

Tapa and the Tapasya are the months of the Shishira ritu and that will not

necessarily always coincide with the start of the Yuga cycle.

 

Now coming to Shri Harimalla he wants the name of the Rashis and the Nakshatras

to be changed. It is sheer insanity. Can he called the Mahabharata as the

Ramayana?  He does not understand the effect of the precession at all. Does he

have an evil design or else why would he try to change the names of the

Nakshatras and the Rashis? Does he think the Hindus to be fools?

 

The ancient naked-eye astronomers obviously were unable to locate the

positions of the Grahas of the Solar sysytem in the edliptic at any given time

in the wide open sky, without some markers.  They are best identified within

 the Nakshatra-formations as the markers in the twelve segments of the

ecliptic. These division of the ecliptic into the twelve segments is

mentioned in the RigVeda.and these segments are nothing but the Rashis, which

contained the specific Nakshatra-formations. These rashis became the markers for

the astronomers. Earlier 28 Nakshatras were considered and the Brahma rashi

mentioned in the mahabharata contained the Abhijit nakshatra. There is mention

of the fall of the Abhijit in the Mahabharata and after the fall of the Abhijit

was recognised only 27 Nakshatras came to be considered and they were divided

into 27 equal divisions. The Bhagavata purana, which was composed after the

Mahabharata, mentions the name of the

rashis as we know today

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

 

--- On Mon, 5/11/09, darshaneylokesh <darshaneylokesh

wrote:

 

 

darshaneylokesh <darshaneylokesh

Fw: Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: Sri Mohan Krity Arsh Tithi Patrak-2066

" Sarv Mangla " <sarvmangla

Cc: " Shailandra Sharma " <vastusandesh, " Sai SrinivasanSai "

<saisrinivasan, " Sunil Bhattacharjya Bhattacharjya "

<sunil_bhattacharjya, " SIVA EXPORIUM " <sivaexpo,

" Suresh Bhardwaj " <bhagyadisha2007, " Yashwant Singh "

<yashwantdelhi, " Prashant Pandey " <praspandey

Monday, May 11, 2009, 8:59 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Rajendra Pandey ji, Namastey.

       Following mail, as is apparant, was in reply to the message of Shri

S Bhatacharya.

I had to give my views on some basics of the Panchang. Sayan or Nirayan words

were

to be clearified first. How to name  the Lunar month is an another point for

clearification.

       This mail was brought in the notice of by about 300 astologers.

        Now for your information as the views, there in, will help you to

understand my Panchang i.e. Sri Mohan Krity Arsh Tithi Patrak -2066.

        Please note that Panchang details for the month of Tapah (Page

71) and Tapasya (Page-75) are correct but in the concised calendar at page 87

(i.e. the last two) are wrong

hence may be ignored. In fact, for the next year we hope to get it published as

a 'Wall Calendars' in English  This concised and  tabulated Calendar is given

in the Patrak to let the  people know the format and pattern of the same.

Learned astrologers are requested to give their opinion and suggestions please.

In this connection I hope very much from Sh Sai Nivasan and Siva Raman ji.

Thanks.

         Aum Sham.

                                        \

                                       

    Achary Darshaney Lokesh

 

--- On Mon, 16/6/08, darshaney lokesh <darshaneylokesh wrote:

 

darshaney lokesh <darshaneylokesh

Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: Sayan, Nirayan and Nakshtras.

HinduCalendar

Monday, 16 June, 2008, 2:08 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear S Bhatacharya ji,

  Namastey. Ayan is certainly a samskrit word and its meaning is

‘Way or route’ i.e. in hindi ‘Marg or Rasta’. It is very correct that in

Uttarayan or Daxinayan the ayan means the same. Uttarayan i.e. on the way to

North and Daxinanyan i.e. on the way to  south  Even ayanamsh is not the

meaningless as it reveals the meaning  as‘A part of the route’. Who so ever

introduced the words Sayan and Nirayan was not knowing the correct sense of

these words. Nih+Ayan means No Ayan i.e. route less i.e. without a way. In hindi

we can understand it as’Marg rahit’ or ‘Bhatka huwa’ or say one which is

deviated from the path. I think, in future, we will be knowing about starting

user of this word but so far our calendar reform is concerned,  that will be of

no helf to us.

 

             MORE THAN THAT –The knowledge that will help us very

much is to know about 27 Nakshtras of 13 degree and 20 minute each. How and from

where this fals knowledge came to our astrologer rishis? We need to confirm

whether there concept was really false or we are incapable to reach at  that

concept. It is to remember that if equal nakshtr principle not obsereved then it

is never possible to tie up the certain festivals With some fixed nakshtras.

Tithi based festivals will have no problem. I request you   and to every 

member to please make your own research in this  and try for the appropriate

conclusion.  As reproduced  below, in an earlier post also this  was

requested.

  

      “  Till then, please think over. If we accept equal division of

27 Nakshtra  then  we loose to be TRUE but keep up some the tradional ways of

some importances. If  we accept unequal divisions of 28 Nakshtra  then we

loose completely from our traditional system such  as Nakshtra  based

nomenclatures of the Lunar Months and also some other important things observed

by religiously bent hindus. There seems something necessary evil that we have to

keep up. We have to frame  our calendar on the base of ‘minimum loss’. I

request every member to please let me know that in your opinion what is that

minimum loss that we shoul bear? Of course, please be to the point and précised

but forget not  in highlighting  your arguments.† 

 

          We have no confusion in fixing the moments of the Sankrantis

and accordingly to Name the SOLAR MONTHS. For naming the LUNAR MONTHS , I think

there is no problem. The principle to be followed is that the BFN (bright

fortnight) after the Sankranti Will be named  after that solar month only. So

for my own view is concerned Shukladi or Amant system of naming the Lunar Month

is correct and for the reformed or say standard Calendar it is correct to be

observed.

 

        “ Our ancient Rishis were SEERS  and not MATHEMATICIANS

(Mathematicians as we define in present days) . Hence they could have started a

month by NEW MOON alone  but since the new moon is not easily visible, in later

time the month beginning was pegged to  Poornima  i.e FULL MOON i.e.

Krishnadi.. This way, Shukladi and Krishnadi, both the  systems are VEDIC but

the first one is original, natural  and more logical. That is why we  have

 finally decided to the names of Lunar month in Shukladi system for throughout

INDIA . Till today all the Panchang makers including Darshaney Lokesh Were

keeping panchangas over Gregorian Calendars where as the reformed Panchang  by

ABPSS  will be kept as a base for the Gregorian  Calendar. That means the

Gregorian Calendar Will have the secondary importance .That will be the

uniqueness of  our panchang or patrak.â€

          Finally, Ayanamsh, Sankrantis, Rashis,and Names of the

solar/Lunar months are no problems. Nakshtras are the only a (seeming)  problem

and with the solution of that  the Calendar problem is over. We are at a very

difficult test set  fo us by Kalidas, “PURANMITYEV NA SADHU SARVAM;  NA

CHAAPI  KAVYAM  NAVMITYAVADYAM;  

SANTAH PAREEKSHYANYATARAD BHAJANTE; MOODHAH  PAR  PRATYAYANEYA  BUDHIH.â€

         With regards,

                                        \

                         Achary  Darshaney Lokesh

 

 Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @> wrote:

Yes, the word " Ayana' is ancient, as in its samasa we have the words

" Uttarayana " and " Dakshinayana " . We all wish to know as to when were the words

Sayana (sa + ayana) and Nirayana ( nih + ayana)  first used and by whom.

 

 

 

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