Guest guest Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Namaste, A few points: (1) Saturn has a shadbala of 151% and is exceedingly strong. Even his vimsopaka bala based on dasa varga (10 divisional charts including navamsa and dasamsa) is 83% and is exceedingly strong. (2) If you use divisional longitudes and use the house system that I deduced from Parasara's statements (from the chapter on planetary aspect quantification in BPHS) and explained in a recent mail, Saturn is in 3rd house in navamsa. He is not in 12th in dasamsa, but he is a yogakaraka in 11th. Actually, Saturn is in 3rd house from lagna in rasi chart also and not yet in the 4th house. All the three (3rd, 11th and 3rd) are excellent placements for Saturn. (3) How logical is it to say that neecha applies in divisional charts but not neecha bhanga? Of course, some rules we use in rasi chart may need to be adopted based on an understanding of why those rules work. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras wrote: > > Hi Folks > > I saw an artile on Sri KN Rao's website on Late Dr. Raman. Please not the chart > > Aug 8, 1912 (Bangalore, 19:42 hrs) > Kumbha lagna, Markara navamsa > Using lahiri ayanamsa > > Saturn in in rohini nakshatra, debilitaten in navamsa and dashaamsa > D10 lagna is Vrishabha (Taurus). So Saturn goes to 12th house in D10. > > My question to all jyotishis is: Why did he do so well in Saturn dasha, when it is weak in D9 and D10?? > > there is some neechabhanga in D9 for saturn, not so in D10 (I am not even sure if we can use neechabhnanga concept in divisional charts) > > ishta phala for saturn is 13, kasta phapa is 43 > > I know that Saturn in lagna lord (good for Kumbha lagna), also a yogakaraka from Chandra lagna etc. > > > If you see that Saturn is weak and ill placed in D10, why would one predict good times in Saturn dasha? > > Looking only rasi - I can easliy say it is a good time/dasha, aspected by Ju (Bhavatha ratnakara, says that if Ju and Sat aspect each other, Saturn is a better period etc..) > > In D10 - Saturn is also 10th lord - debilitated in 12th house. > No does this fall in that great parashara exception?? > > Let me know you thoughts. > > Thanks > Manjunath Sharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 sri ganeshaya namah, dear manjunath, prof b v raman was born in krishna paksha in night time , so for him yogini dasha will be most accurate and advisable. if you notice that in any dasha , planets having more kashta phala will *always* give trouble to the native , just as maharshi parashara mentions. also , since saturn is obtaining neecha bhanga from both mars and sun in d-9 and d-10. in sat ad , mars and sun bhuktis will show results of rajayoga pertaining to the specific amsas. based upon several charts , personally i have found out that more than avasthas and shadbala, ishta and kashta phala always reigns supreme and vimshottari is more of a mental outlook dasha than the true picture. yogini dasha is most accurate. best regards, chandan s sabarwal. vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > A few points: > > (1) Saturn has a shadbala of 151% and is exceedingly strong. Even his vimsopaka bala based on dasa varga (10 divisional charts including navamsa and dasamsa) is 83% and is exceedingly strong. > > (2) If you use divisional longitudes and use the house system that I deduced from Parasara's statements (from the chapter on planetary aspect quantification in BPHS) and explained in a recent mail, Saturn is in 3rd house in navamsa. He is not in 12th in dasamsa, but he is a yogakaraka in 11th. Actually, Saturn is in 3rd house from lagna in rasi chart also and not yet in the 4th house. All the three (3rd, 11th and 3rd) are excellent placements for Saturn. > > (3) How logical is it to say that neecha applies in divisional charts but not neecha bhanga? Of course, some rules we use in rasi chart may need to be adopted based on an understanding of why those rules work. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > Hi Folks > > > > I saw an artile on Sri KN Rao's website on Late Dr. Raman. Please not the chart > > > > Aug 8, 1912 (Bangalore, 19:42 hrs) > > Kumbha lagna, Markara navamsa > > Using lahiri ayanamsa > > > > Saturn in in rohini nakshatra, debilitaten in navamsa and dashaamsa > > D10 lagna is Vrishabha (Taurus). So Saturn goes to 12th house in D10. > > > > My question to all jyotishis is: Why did he do so well in Saturn dasha, when it is weak in D9 and D10?? > > > > there is some neechabhanga in D9 for saturn, not so in D10 (I am not even sure if we can use neechabhnanga concept in divisional charts) > > > > ishta phala for saturn is 13, kasta phapa is 43 > > > > I know that Saturn in lagna lord (good for Kumbha lagna), also a yogakaraka from Chandra lagna etc. > > > > > > If you see that Saturn is weak and ill placed in D10, why would one predict good times in Saturn dasha? > > > > Looking only rasi - I can easliy say it is a good time/dasha, aspected by Ju (Bhavatha ratnakara, says that if Ju and Sat aspect each other, Saturn is a better period etc..) > > > > In D10 - Saturn is also 10th lord - debilitated in 12th house. > > No does this fall in that great parashara exception?? > > > > Let me know you thoughts. > > > > Thanks > > Manjunath Sharma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Namaste, A few points: (1) Saturn has a shadbala of 151% and is exceedingly strong. Even his vimsopaka bala based on dasa varga (10 divisional charts including navamsa and dasamsa) is 83% and is exceedingly strong. (2) If you use divisional longitudes and use the house system that I deduced from Parasara's statements (from the chapter on planetary aspect quantification in BPHS) and explained in a recent mail, Saturn is in 3rd house in navamsa. He is not in 12th in dasamsa, but he is a yogakaraka in 11th. Actually, Saturn is in 3rd house from lagna in rasi chart also and not yet in the 4th house. All the three (3rd, 11th and 3rd) are excellent placements for Saturn. (3) How logical is it to say that neecha applies in divisional charts but not neecha bhanga? Of course, some rules we use in rasi chart may need to be adopted based on an understanding of why those rules work. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras wrote: > > Hi Folks > > I saw an artile on Sri KN Rao's website on Late Dr. Raman. Please not the chart > > Aug 8, 1912 (Bangalore, 19:42 hrs) > Kumbha lagna, Markara navamsa > Using lahiri ayanamsa > > Saturn in in rohini nakshatra, debilitaten in navamsa and dashaamsa > D10 lagna is Vrishabha (Taurus). So Saturn goes to 12th house in D10. > > My question to all jyotishis is: Why did he do so well in Saturn dasha, when it is weak in D9 and D10?? > > there is some neechabhanga in D9 for saturn, not so in D10 (I am not even sure if we can use neechabhnanga concept in divisional charts) > > ishta phala for saturn is 13, kasta phapa is 43 > > I know that Saturn in lagna lord (good for Kumbha lagna), also a yogakaraka from Chandra lagna etc. > > > If you see that Saturn is weak and ill placed in D10, why would one predict good times in Saturn dasha? > > Looking only rasi - I can easliy say it is a good time/dasha, aspected by Ju (Bhavatha ratnakara, says that if Ju and Sat aspect each other, Saturn is a better period etc..) > > In D10 - Saturn is also 10th lord - debilitated in 12th house. > No does this fall in that great parashara exception?? > > Let me know you thoughts. > > Thanks > Manjunath Sharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Perhaps a good example of Gajkeshari fructified and expressing through the strongest and most satisfied planet making the right nakshatra connection, even if it is saturn! Saturn is not all about misery and woe, folks! Rohiniranjan , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > A few points: > > (1) Saturn has a shadbala of 151% and is exceedingly strong. Even his vimsopaka bala based on dasa varga (10 divisional charts including navamsa and dasamsa) is 83% and is exceedingly strong. > > (2) If you use divisional longitudes and use the house system that I deduced from Parasara's statements (from the chapter on planetary aspect quantification in BPHS) and explained in a recent mail, Saturn is in 3rd house in navamsa. He is not in 12th in dasamsa, but he is a yogakaraka in 11th. Actually, Saturn is in 3rd house from lagna in rasi chart also and not yet in the 4th house. All the three (3rd, 11th and 3rd) are excellent placements for Saturn. > > (3) How logical is it to say that neecha applies in divisional charts but not neecha bhanga? Of course, some rules we use in rasi chart may need to be adopted based on an understanding of why those rules work. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > Hi Folks > > > > I saw an artile on Sri KN Rao's website on Late Dr. Raman. Please not the chart > > > > Aug 8, 1912 (Bangalore, 19:42 hrs) > > Kumbha lagna, Markara navamsa > > Using lahiri ayanamsa > > > > Saturn in in rohini nakshatra, debilitaten in navamsa and dashaamsa > > D10 lagna is Vrishabha (Taurus). So Saturn goes to 12th house in D10. > > > > My question to all jyotishis is: Why did he do so well in Saturn dasha, when it is weak in D9 and D10?? > > > > there is some neechabhanga in D9 for saturn, not so in D10 (I am not even sure if we can use neechabhnanga concept in divisional charts) > > > > ishta phala for saturn is 13, kasta phapa is 43 > > > > I know that Saturn in lagna lord (good for Kumbha lagna), also a yogakaraka from Chandra lagna etc. > > > > > > If you see that Saturn is weak and ill placed in D10, why would one predict good times in Saturn dasha? > > > > Looking only rasi - I can easliy say it is a good time/dasha, aspected by Ju (Bhavatha ratnakara, says that if Ju and Sat aspect each other, Saturn is a better period etc..) > > > > In D10 - Saturn is also 10th lord - debilitated in 12th house. > > No does this fall in that great parashara exception?? > > > > Let me know you thoughts. > > > > Thanks > > Manjunath Sharma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Namaste, One should notice the dasha balance he got. This is an important factor. The sequance of dasha ....that was because of the opening dasha ..... All the planets in the chart getting connected to his 10th house, throughout his life. All the more, he got the dasha of Saturn at the appropriate age. around 41 years. ... This is one of the factors.... C.S. Ravindramani , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras wrote: > > Hi Folks > > I saw an artile on Sri KN Rao's website on Late Dr. Raman. Please not the chart > > Aug 8, 1912 (Bangalore, 19:42 hrs) > Kumbha lagna, Markara navamsa > Using lahiri ayanamsa > > Saturn in in rohini nakshatra, debilitaten in navamsa and dashaamsa > D10 lagna is Vrishabha (Taurus). So Saturn goes to 12th house in D10. > > My question to all jyotishis is: Why did he do so well in Saturn dasha, when it is weak in D9 and D10?? > > there is some neechabhanga in D9 for saturn, not so in D10 (I am not even sure if we can use neechabhnanga concept in divisional charts) > > ishta phala for saturn is 13, kasta phapa is 43 > > I know that Saturn in lagna lord (good for Kumbha lagna), also a yogakaraka from Chandra lagna etc. > > > If you see that Saturn is weak and ill placed in D10, why would one predict good times in Saturn dasha? > > Looking only rasi - I can easliy say it is a good time/dasha, aspected by Ju (Bhavatha ratnakara, says that if Ju and Sat aspect each other, Saturn is a better period etc..) > > In D10 - Saturn is also 10th lord - debilitated in 12th house. > No does this fall in that great parashara exception?? > > Let me know you thoughts. > > Thanks > Manjunath Sharma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Narasimha Garu I agree your point # 1 fully. Did not really follow #2 -your recent thread. Just looking at the rasi chart (and the strength of planet)I can say - Saturn dasa will be good. My question still is (without using your #2 technique) -just as one would use, D9 and D10 position of planets to assess dasa results -what would one say about saturn dasa? Again this is an excercise after the event, but still a good one, perhaps. There are numerous ways one can come at the same answer... Jupiter's D9 dispositor is well placed in rasi (it is venus in seventh with 10th lord mars Saturn's D9 dispositior is well placed in rasi (it is mars, 10th lord in seventh, good) Thanks MS , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > A few points: > > (1) Saturn has a shadbala of 151% and is exceedingly strong. Even his vimsopaka bala based on dasa varga (10 divisional charts including navamsa and dasamsa) is 83% and is exceedingly strong. > > (2) If you use divisional longitudes and use the house system that I deduced from Parasara's statements (from the chapter on planetary aspect quantification in BPHS) and explained in a recent mail, Saturn is in 3rd house in navamsa. He is not in 12th in dasamsa, but he is a yogakaraka in 11th. Actually, Saturn is in 3rd house from lagna in rasi chart also and not yet in the 4th house. All the three (3rd, 11th and 3rd) are excellent placements for Saturn. > > (3) How logical is it to say that neecha applies in divisional charts but not neecha bhanga? Of course, some rules we use in rasi chart may need to be adopted based on an understanding of why those rules work. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > Hi Folks > > > > I saw an artile on Sri KN Rao's website on Late Dr. Raman. Please not the chart > > > > Aug 8, 1912 (Bangalore, 19:42 hrs) > > Kumbha lagna, Markara navamsa > > Using lahiri ayanamsa > > > > Saturn in in rohini nakshatra, debilitaten in navamsa and dashaamsa > > D10 lagna is Vrishabha (Taurus). So Saturn goes to 12th house in D10. > > > > My question to all jyotishis is: Why did he do so well in Saturn dasha, when it is weak in D9 and D10?? > > > > there is some neechabhanga in D9 for saturn, not so in D10 (I am not even sure if we can use neechabhnanga concept in divisional charts) > > > > ishta phala for saturn is 13, kasta phapa is 43 > > > > I know that Saturn in lagna lord (good for Kumbha lagna), also a yogakaraka from Chandra lagna etc. > > > > > > If you see that Saturn is weak and ill placed in D10, why would one predict good times in Saturn dasha? > > > > Looking only rasi - I can easliy say it is a good time/dasha, aspected by Ju (Bhavatha ratnakara, says that if Ju and Sat aspect each other, Saturn is a better period etc..) > > > > In D10 - Saturn is also 10th lord - debilitated in 12th house. > > No does this fall in that great parashara exception?? > > > > Let me know you thoughts. > > > > Thanks > > Manjunath Sharma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Ravindramani-ji I know that you are referring to..but it does not explain my question about Saturn's condition in D9 and D10. MS , " ravindramani " <ravindramani wrote: > > Namaste, > > One should notice the dasha balance he got. This is an important factor. The sequance of dasha ....that was because of the opening dasha ..... All the planets in the chart getting connected to his 10th house, throughout his life. All the more, he got the dasha of Saturn at the appropriate age. around 41 years. ... This is one of the factors.... > > C.S. Ravindramani > > > , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > Hi Folks > > > > I saw an artile on Sri KN Rao's website on Late Dr. Raman. Please not the chart > > > > Aug 8, 1912 (Bangalore, 19:42 hrs) > > Kumbha lagna, Markara navamsa > > Using lahiri ayanamsa > > > > Saturn in in rohini nakshatra, debilitaten in navamsa and dashaamsa > > D10 lagna is Vrishabha (Taurus). So Saturn goes to 12th house in D10. > > > > My question to all jyotishis is: Why did he do so well in Saturn dasha, when it is weak in D9 and D10?? > > > > there is some neechabhanga in D9 for saturn, not so in D10 (I am not even sure if we can use neechabhnanga concept in divisional charts) > > > > ishta phala for saturn is 13, kasta phapa is 43 > > > > I know that Saturn in lagna lord (good for Kumbha lagna), also a yogakaraka from Chandra lagna etc. > > > > > > If you see that Saturn is weak and ill placed in D10, why would one predict good times in Saturn dasha? > > > > Looking only rasi - I can easliy say it is a good time/dasha, aspected by Ju (Bhavatha ratnakara, says that if Ju and Sat aspect each other, Saturn is a better period etc..) > > > > In D10 - Saturn is also 10th lord - debilitated in 12th house. > > No does this fall in that great parashara exception?? > > > > Let me know you thoughts. > > > > Thanks > > Manjunath Sharma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Mr.Sharma, I wonder whether Saturn MD was at all excellent!! Saturn is in the Nakshatra of Moon--Lord of 6H. This wipes any positive influences--however, being in the 1st Pada, bad effects will be felt in the 1st quarter of the entire Saturn MD. Both positive influences fall on Lagna & Lagna Lord, i.e. Sani. Sani is closely aspecting the Lagna, whilst Mercury, lord of 8H also closely aspects the Lagna. I find some balancing activities, further, LL is sharing close aspects, with Jupiter, lord of 2 & 11--these act as balances. Another balancing factor, can be Saturn's position in Lagna Kendra--so its Nakshatra dispositor[Moon gets digbala]. I will not look into Navamsha or Dasamsa, for the time being. However, Saturn-Moon dasa & Saturn-Jupiter seems to be troublesome periods for him. Thank you, Gaurav. http://gauravastro.150m.com , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras wrote: > > Hi Folks > > I saw an artile on Sri KN Rao's website on Late Dr. Raman. Please not the chart > > Aug 8, 1912 (Bangalore, 19:42 hrs) > Kumbha lagna, Markara navamsa > Using lahiri ayanamsa > > Saturn in in rohini nakshatra, debilitaten in navamsa and dashaamsa > D10 lagna is Vrishabha (Taurus). So Saturn goes to 12th house in D10. > > My question to all jyotishis is: Why did he do so well in Saturn dasha, when it is weak in D9 and D10?? > > there is some neechabhanga in D9 for saturn, not so in D10 (I am not even sure if we can use neechabhnanga concept in divisional charts) > > ishta phala for saturn is 13, kasta phapa is 43 > > I know that Saturn in lagna lord (good for Kumbha lagna), also a yogakaraka from Chandra lagna etc. > > > If you see that Saturn is weak and ill placed in D10, why would one predict good times in Saturn dasha? > > Looking only rasi - I can easliy say it is a good time/dasha, aspected by Ju (Bhavatha ratnakara, says that if Ju and Sat aspect each other, Saturn is a better period etc..) > > In D10 - Saturn is also 10th lord - debilitated in 12th house. > No does this fall in that great parashara exception?? > > Let me know you thoughts. > > Thanks > Manjunath Sharma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Dear PVR Rao Sab, [1] Your explanations to Dr Ramans chart are the best,it reveals that one should examine Dashavarga charts also. [2] Here it is pertinent to mention that as per BPHS at least Shadvarga charts should be examined carefully before reaching any conclusion.In Vimshopak Bala chart of SHADVARGA that is of 20 points , Lagna chart gets 6 points, HORA gets 2 points, DREKKANA gets 4 points ,Navamsa gets 5 points , Dwadasamsa gets 2 points and TRIMSAMSA gets I point. [3] It will be seen that LAGNA,NAVAMSA and DREKKANA charts together constitute 15 out of 20 points in Vimshopak points.So it will be very safe to see these three charts plus the concerned Divisional chart before reaching a conclusion. [4] The great Parashara has also written a lot about the conditional Dashas one should also check for them while seing a horoscope. [5] Last but not the least the total computation of SHADBALA is often the most neglected region while glancing through the various Yogas in a chart. Regards Sanjay Misra --- On Sat, 29/8/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr Re: Dr. BV Raman's chart (KN Rao article) , sohamsa , vedic astrology Saturday, 29 August, 2009, 4:09 AM Namaste, A few points: (1) Saturn has a shadbala of 151% and is exceedingly strong. Even his vimsopaka bala based on dasa varga (10 divisional charts including navamsa and dasamsa) is 83% and is exceedingly strong. (2) If you use divisional longitudes and use the house system that I deduced from Parasara's statements (from the chapter on planetary aspect quantification in BPHS) and explained in a recent mail, Saturn is in 3rd house in navamsa. He is not in 12th in dasamsa, but he is a yogakaraka in 11th. Actually, Saturn is in 3rd house from lagna in rasi chart also and not yet in the 4th house. All the three (3rd, 11th and 3rd) are excellent placements for Saturn. (3) How logical is it to say that neecha applies in divisional charts but not neecha bhanga? Of course, some rules we use in rasi chart may need to be adopted based on an understanding of why those rules work. Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@ ...> wrote: > > Hi Folks > > I saw an artile on Sri KN Rao's website on Late Dr. Raman. Please not the chart > > Aug 8, 1912 (Bangalore, 19:42 hrs) > Kumbha lagna, Markara navamsa > Using lahiri ayanamsa > > Saturn in in rohini nakshatra, debilitaten in navamsa and dashaamsa > D10 lagna is Vrishabha (Taurus). So Saturn goes to 12th house in D10. > > My question to all jyotishis is: Why did he do so well in Saturn dasha, when it is weak in D9 and D10?? > > there is some neechabhanga in D9 for saturn, not so in D10 (I am not even sure if we can use neechabhnanga concept in divisional charts) > > ishta phala for saturn is 13, kasta phapa is 43 > > I know that Saturn in lagna lord (good for Kumbha lagna), also a yogakaraka from Chandra lagna etc. > > > If you see that Saturn is weak and ill placed in D10, why would one predict good times in Saturn dasha? > > Looking only rasi - I can easliy say it is a good time/dasha, aspected by Ju (Bhavatha ratnakara, says that if Ju and Sat aspect each other, Saturn is a better period etc..) > > In D10 - Saturn is also 10th lord - debilitated in 12th house. > No does this fall in that great parashara exception?? > > Let me know you thoughts. > > Thanks > Manjunath Sharma Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 my small points to your learned views: Saturn creates the brahmana yoga in his chart and has got excellent aspect from Jupiter so it could be foretold that whatever he would have predicted during the saturn's period has the divine grace of jupiter which is also the 2nd lord of speech. saturn-moon has not negative aspects in the natal chart. such well-disposed jupiter is young and good in degrees. further, i have seen such shani-chandra yoga in some of highly respected thinkers charts. not to mention the his career growth post marriage as the 10th lord is seated into the 7th house. the 2nd point is that the d-9 is the 9th part of the horoscope therefore it is required to be validated as to how much impact it would have on the native i.e. will it be only one ninth of the totality. in the similar fashion the same could be told for the d-10 chart as to what impact it would have on the native. with best wishes, prakash kandpal , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras wrote: > > Hi Folks > > I saw an artile on Sri KN Rao's website on Late Dr. Raman. Please not the chart > > Aug 8, 1912 (Bangalore, 19:42 hrs) > Kumbha lagna, Markara navamsa > Using lahiri ayanamsa > > Saturn in in rohini nakshatra, debilitaten in navamsa and dashaamsa > D10 lagna is Vrishabha (Taurus). So Saturn goes to 12th house in D10. > > My question to all jyotishis is: Why did he do so well in Saturn dasha, when it is weak in D9 and D10?? > > there is some neechabhanga in D9 for saturn, not so in D10 (I am not even sure if we can use neechabhnanga concept in divisional charts) > > ishta phala for saturn is 13, kasta phapa is 43 > > I know that Saturn in lagna lord (good for Kumbha lagna), also a yogakaraka from Chandra lagna etc. > > > If you see that Saturn is weak and ill placed in D10, why would one predict good times in Saturn dasha? > > Looking only rasi - I can easliy say it is a good time/dasha, aspected by Ju (Bhavatha ratnakara, says that if Ju and Sat aspect each other, Saturn is a better period etc..) > > In D10 - Saturn is also 10th lord - debilitated in 12th house. > No does this fall in that great parashara exception?? > > Let me know you thoughts. > > Thanks > Manjunath Sharma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Manjunath, Please kindly note, what Yogas involved with Shani. Shani is Lagna lord conjoined with Chandra in AL- Vrishaba sthira rasi- (Fame in home land). Chandra and Buddha make Saradha Yoga in AL so fame related writing and printing as Mars 3rd lord involved. Same Saturn (Lagna Lord) transfer the affects of Dharma Karmadipathi Yoga in 7th house. See Narayana Dasa as well. Sg - So Mithuna started in fifties, again lord involved with Sarada yoga. Best Wishes Karu > Hi Folks > > I saw an artile on Sri KN Rao's website on Late Dr. Raman. Please not the chart > > Aug 8, 1912 (Bangalore, 19:42 hrs) > Kumbha lagna, Markara navamsa > Using lahiri ayanamsa > > Saturn in in rohini nakshatra, debilitaten in navamsa and dashaamsa > D10 lagna is Vrishabha (Taurus). So Saturn goes to 12th house in D10. > > My question to all jyotishis is: Why did he do so well in Saturn dasha, when it is weak in D9 and D10?? > > there is some neechabhanga in D9 for saturn, not so in D10 (I am not even sure if we can use neechabhnanga concept in divisional charts) > > ishta phala for saturn is 13, kasta phapa is 43 > > I know that Saturn in lagna lord (good for Kumbha lagna), also a yogakaraka from Chandra lagna etc. > > > If you see that Saturn is weak and ill placed in D10, why would one predict good times in Saturn dasha? > > Looking only rasi - I can easliy say it is a good time/dasha, aspected by Ju (Bhavatha ratnakara, says that if Ju and Sat aspect each other, Saturn is a better period etc..) > > In D10 - Saturn is also 10th lord - debilitated in 12th house. > No does this fall in that great parashara exception?? > > Let me know you thoughts. > > Thanks > Manjunath Sharma --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Om Gurave Namah Dear Karu, 1.I like to add some points. Sat. & Moon in 4th is Bakthi Yoga.Moon karaka for 4th conjoined with sat. who is representing heart. 2.Moon (AK) and Sat. (PK) association is Rajayoga. 3.In D10 Sat. is in 9th to Moon and AL. Repeating Raja yoga in D10. Sat Neecha is very effective in this context. (Kethu & Sat in trine to Venus made it spiritual Yoga.) 4.Saturn's amsa ruler, Kubera, Manifests his karma in D10. 5.There are 3 powerful parivatana in D10.Sun (AMK) and Venus. Jupitor and Mars.Jupitor and Kethu. All connected to 3rd (inetiatives)5th (abilities)12th devotion and 10th load of D10. 6. Therefore it is justified how strong is the Saturn is. Warm regards, Goonatilaka sohamsa , " Karu Heenkenda " <heen wrote: > Hare Rama Krishna > Dear Manjunath, > > Please kindly note, what Yogas involved with Shani. Shani is Lagna lord conjoined with Chandra in AL- Vrishaba sthira rasi- (Fame in home land). Chandra and Buddha make Saradha Yoga in AL so fame related writing and printing as Mars 3rd lord involved. Same Saturn (Lagna Lord) transfer the affects of Dharma Karmadipathi Yoga in 7th house. > See Narayana Dasa as well. Sg - So Mithuna started in fifties, again lord involved with Sarada yoga. > Best Wishes > Karu > > > > > Hi Folks > > > > I saw an artile on Sri KN Rao's website on Late Dr. Raman. Please not the chart > > > > Aug 8, 1912 (Bangalore, 19:42 hrs) > > Kumbha lagna, Markara navamsa > > Using lahiri ayanamsa > > > > Saturn in in rohini nakshatra, debilitaten in navamsa and dashaamsa > > D10 lagna is Vrishabha (Taurus). So Saturn goes to 12th house in D10. > > > > My question to all jyotishis is: Why did he do so well in Saturn dasha, when it is weak in D9 and D10?? > > > > there is some neechabhanga in D9 for saturn, not so in D10 (I am not even sure if we can use neechabhnanga concept in divisional charts) > > > > ishta phala for saturn is 13, kasta phapa is 43 > > > > I know that Saturn in lagna lord (good for Kumbha lagna), also a yogakaraka from Chandra lagna etc. > > > > > > If you see that Saturn is weak and ill placed in D10, why would one predict good times in Saturn dasha? > > > > Looking only rasi - I can easliy say it is a good time/dasha, aspected by Ju (Bhavatha ratnakara, says that if Ju and Sat aspect each other, Saturn is a better period etc..) > > > > In D10 - Saturn is also 10th lord - debilitated in 12th house. > > No does this fall in that great parashara exception?? > > > > Let me know you thoughts. > > > > Thanks > > Manjunath Sharma > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Dear Sharmaji/Shri PVRji, As the discussion in the forum is on Sa debi in D9 and D10 for a case study, here is another example (26oct 71,78e02,30n19, India)where Sa is neecha in D9 and D10.The natives current Ra dasha(Sa is lord of Ra sign in D1)has been very good in respect to profession, settlement and all over comforts.What can be possible result in Sa Maha in this case based on the discussion held on this topic? Regards sunny , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras wrote: > > Narasimha Garu > I agree your point # 1 fully. Did not really follow #2 -your recent thread. Just looking at the rasi chart (and the strength of planet)I can say - Saturn dasa will be good. > > My question still is (without using your #2 technique) -just as one would use, D9 and D10 position of planets to assess dasa results -what would one say about saturn dasa? > > Again this is an excercise after the event, but still a good one, perhaps. There are numerous ways one can come at the same answer... > > Jupiter's D9 dispositor is well placed in rasi (it is venus in seventh with 10th lord mars > Saturn's D9 dispositior is well placed in rasi (it is mars, 10th lord in seventh, good) > > > Thanks > MS > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > A few points: > > > > (1) Saturn has a shadbala of 151% and is exceedingly strong. Even his vimsopaka bala based on dasa varga (10 divisional charts including navamsa and dasamsa) is 83% and is exceedingly strong. > > > > (2) If you use divisional longitudes and use the house system that I deduced from Parasara's statements (from the chapter on planetary aspect quantification in BPHS) and explained in a recent mail, Saturn is in 3rd house in navamsa. He is not in 12th in dasamsa, but he is a yogakaraka in 11th. Actually, Saturn is in 3rd house from lagna in rasi chart also and not yet in the 4th house. All the three (3rd, 11th and 3rd) are excellent placements for Saturn. > > > > (3) How logical is it to say that neecha applies in divisional charts but not neecha bhanga? Of course, some rules we use in rasi chart may need to be adopted based on an understanding of why those rules work. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Folks > > > > > > I saw an artile on Sri KN Rao's website on Late Dr. Raman. Please not the chart > > > > > > Aug 8, 1912 (Bangalore, 19:42 hrs) > > > Kumbha lagna, Markara navamsa > > > Using lahiri ayanamsa > > > > > > Saturn in in rohini nakshatra, debilitaten in navamsa and dashaamsa > > > D10 lagna is Vrishabha (Taurus). So Saturn goes to 12th house in D10. > > > > > > My question to all jyotishis is: Why did he do so well in Saturn dasha, when it is weak in D9 and D10?? > > > > > > there is some neechabhanga in D9 for saturn, not so in D10 (I am not even sure if we can use neechabhnanga concept in divisional charts) > > > > > > ishta phala for saturn is 13, kasta phapa is 43 > > > > > > I know that Saturn in lagna lord (good for Kumbha lagna), also a yogakaraka from Chandra lagna etc. > > > > > > > > > If you see that Saturn is weak and ill placed in D10, why would one predict good times in Saturn dasha? > > > > > > Looking only rasi - I can easliy say it is a good time/dasha, aspected by Ju (Bhavatha ratnakara, says that if Ju and Sat aspect each other, Saturn is a better period etc..) > > > > > > In D10 - Saturn is also 10th lord - debilitated in 12th house. > > > No does this fall in that great parashara exception?? > > > > > > Let me know you thoughts. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Manjunath Sharma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Apologies for missing out on time.It is 11.10am. Dear Sharmaji/Shri PVRji, As the discussion in the forum is on Sa debi in D9 and D10 for a case study, here is another example (26oct 71,78e02,30n19, India)where Sa is neecha in D9 and D10.The natives current Ra dasha(Sa is lord of Ra sign in D1)has been very good in respect to profession, settlement and all over comforts.What can be possible result in Sa Maha in this case based on the discussion held on this topic? Regards sunny , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras wrote: > > Narasimha Garu > I agree your point # 1 fully. Did not really follow #2 -your recent thread. Just looking at the rasi chart (and the strength of planet)I can say - Saturn dasa will be good. > > My question still is (without using your #2 technique) -just as one would use, D9 and D10 position of planets to assess dasa results -what would one say about saturn dasa? > > Again this is an excercise after the event, but still a good one, perhaps. There are numerous ways one can come at the same answer... > > Jupiter's D9 dispositor is well placed in rasi (it is venus in seventh with 10th lord mars > Saturn's D9 dispositior is well placed in rasi (it is mars, 10th lord in seventh, good) > > > Thanks > MS > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > A few points: > > > > (1) Saturn has a shadbala of 151% and is exceedingly strong. Even his vimsopaka bala based on dasa varga (10 divisional charts including navamsa and dasamsa) is 83% and is exceedingly strong. > > > > (2) If you use divisional longitudes and use the house system that I deduced from Parasara's statements (from the chapter on planetary aspect quantification in BPHS) and explained in a recent mail, Saturn is in 3rd house in navamsa. He is not in 12th in dasamsa, but he is a yogakaraka in 11th. Actually, Saturn is in 3rd house from lagna in rasi chart also and not yet in the 4th house. All the three (3rd, 11th and 3rd) are excellent placements for Saturn. > > > > (3) How logical is it to say that neecha applies in divisional charts but not neecha bhanga? Of course, some rules we use in rasi chart may need to be adopted based on an understanding of why those rules work. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Folks > > > > > > I saw an artile on Sri KN Rao's website on Late Dr. Raman. Please not the chart > > > > > > Aug 8, 1912 (Bangalore, 19:42 hrs) > > > Kumbha lagna, Markara navamsa > > > Using lahiri ayanamsa > > > > > > Saturn in in rohini nakshatra, debilitaten in navamsa and dashaamsa > > > D10 lagna is Vrishabha (Taurus). So Saturn goes to 12th house in D10. > > > > > > My question to all jyotishis is: Why did he do so well in Saturn dasha, when it is weak in D9 and D10?? > > > > > > there is some neechabhanga in D9 for saturn, not so in D10 (I am not even sure if we can use neechabhnanga concept in divisional charts) > > > > > > ishta phala for saturn is 13, kasta phapa is 43 > > > > > > I know that Saturn in lagna lord (good for Kumbha lagna), also a yogakaraka from Chandra lagna etc. > > > > > > > > > If you see that Saturn is weak and ill placed in D10, why would one predict good times in Saturn dasha? > > > > > > Looking only rasi - I can easliy say it is a good time/dasha, aspected by Ju (Bhavatha ratnakara, says that if Ju and Sat aspect each other, Saturn is a better period etc..) > > > > > > In D10 - Saturn is also 10th lord - debilitated in 12th house. > > > No does this fall in that great parashara exception?? > > > > > > Let me know you thoughts. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Manjunath Sharma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Dear Narasimha Ji Please find some points. , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > A few points: > > (2) If you use divisional longitudes Pradeep : Kindly recall our discussion couple of years back on Graha Sphuta Drishti. At that point you were considering aspects as a possible option in ''divisionals attained by planets and grahas'' without granting ''longitudes'' again. I am happy to see that after these years you yourself have identified that, an aspect is possible only if ''divisional longitudes'' are considered. Why such a longitude should not be considered is another point and will discuss later if you yourself are not finding it somehow. Narasimha: and use the house system that I deduced from Parasara's statements (from the chapter on planetary aspect quantification in BPHS) and explained in a recent mail, Saturn is in 3rd house in navamsa. He is not in 12th in dasamsa, but he is a yogakaraka in 11th. Actually, Saturn is in 3rd house from lagna in rasi chart also and not yet in the 4th house. All the three (3rd, 11th and 3rd) are excellent placements for Saturn. Pradeep:You were able to conclude with absolute clarity and have also taught students using the old system, in hundreds of dashamshas.Does it somehow mean that irrespective of which ''house in dashamsha'' the planet or lagna is falling, we astrologers will be able to find an explanation?. Regarding the bhava - rashi vs spanning over rashis- will write in detail in another email. One question for the moment. If a shloka says if the 4th bhava is a keeta rashi - how will you deduce the 4th Bhava? > > (3) How logical is it to say that neecha applies in divisional charts but not neecha bhanga? Of course, some rules we use in rasi chart may need to be adopted based on an understanding of why those rules work. Pradeep:Will write seperate mail. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > Hi Folks > > > > I saw an artile on Sri KN Rao's website on Late Dr. Raman. Please not the chart > > > > Aug 8, 1912 (Bangalore, 19:42 hrs) > > Kumbha lagna, Markara navamsa > > Using lahiri ayanamsa > > > > Saturn in in rohini nakshatra, debilitaten in navamsa and dashaamsa > > D10 lagna is Vrishabha (Taurus). So Saturn goes to 12th house in D10. > > > > My question to all jyotishis is: Why did he do so well in Saturn dasha, when it is weak in D9 and D10?? > > > > there is some neechabhanga in D9 for saturn, not so in D10 (I am not even sure if we can use neechabhnanga concept in divisional charts) > > > > ishta phala for saturn is 13, kasta phapa is 43 > > > > I know that Saturn in lagna lord (good for Kumbha lagna), also a yogakaraka from Chandra lagna etc. > > > > > > If you see that Saturn is weak and ill placed in D10, why would one predict good times in Saturn dasha? > > > > Looking only rasi - I can easliy say it is a good time/dasha, aspected by Ju (Bhavatha ratnakara, says that if Ju and Sat aspect each other, Saturn is a better period etc..) > > > > In D10 - Saturn is also 10th lord - debilitated in 12th house. > > No does this fall in that great parashara exception?? > > > > Let me know you thoughts. > > > > Thanks > > Manjunath Sharma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Pradeepji Pradeep:You were able to conclude with absolute clarity and have also taught students using the old system, in hundreds of dashamshas.Does it somehow mean that irrespective of which ''house in dashamsha'' the planet or lagna is falling, we astrologers will be able to find an explanation?. This is the crux of my argument. We knew it was BV Raman's chart, we cannot dispute the time (I think it was given by Shri Raman himself), we cannot dispute the D10 chart (if we use Lahiri ayanamsa). Just looking at D10 chart - I would say this person has had a bad career. Look at Sun and Saturn in 6/12 axis - debilitated. We can come with 100's of explanations after the event or knowing the facts or the native - it is all of no use. Just by knowing that the native was a famous astrologer, we are biased in our opinion. My 2 cents. , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Narasimha Ji > > Please find some points. > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > A few points: > > > > (2) If you use divisional longitudes > > Pradeep : Kindly recall our discussion couple of years back on Graha Sphuta Drishti. At that point you were considering aspects as a possible option in ''divisionals attained by planets and grahas'' without granting ''longitudes'' again. > > I am happy to see that after these years you yourself have identified that, an aspect is possible only if ''divisional longitudes'' are considered. Why such a longitude should not be considered is another point and will discuss later if you yourself are not finding it somehow. > > Narasimha: and use the house system that I deduced from Parasara's statements (from the chapter on planetary aspect quantification in BPHS) and explained in a recent mail, Saturn is in 3rd house in navamsa. He is not in 12th in dasamsa, but he is a yogakaraka in 11th. Actually, Saturn is in 3rd house from lagna in rasi chart also and not yet in the 4th house. All the three (3rd, 11th and 3rd) are excellent placements for Saturn. > > Pradeep:You were able to conclude with absolute clarity and have also taught students using the old system, in hundreds of dashamshas.Does it somehow mean that irrespective of which ''house in dashamsha'' the planet or lagna is falling, we astrologers will be able to find an explanation?. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Namaste, Regarding your first point on longitudes being needed for aspects: Aspects are of course possible without recourse to longitudes. There are sign based aspects and then house/longitude based aspects. Pararsara defined both. Regarding the second point on hundreds of dasamsas being analyzed in the past: I never claimed " absolute clarity " . Nor do I claim it now. All I know is that things are becoming clearer and the light is getting brighter, as time passes. When you learn Newton's laws of motion, you can explain a lot of mechanical phenomena using it. When you learn quantum mechanics or Einstein's relativity principles, you may be able to refine some things further. As knowledge evolves, you can understand things better. Astrology study and research are an ongoing activity for me. I am only interested in improving and sharing my knowledge. I refuse to become a slave of the imperfections in my previous state of knowledge. Though I aspire for perfection, I settle down at every stage for less imperfection than before. I do not force anything on anybody. Those who are unhappy with anything I advocate can ignore me! Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Narasimha Ji > > Please find some points. > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > A few points: > > > > (2) If you use divisional longitudes > > Pradeep : Kindly recall our discussion couple of years back on Graha Sphuta Drishti. At that point you were considering aspects as a possible option in ''divisionals attained by planets and grahas'' without granting ''longitudes'' again. > > I am happy to see that after these years you yourself have identified that, an aspect is possible only if ''divisional longitudes'' are considered. Why such a longitude should not be considered is another point and will discuss later if you yourself are not finding it somehow. > > Narasimha: and use the house system that I deduced from Parasara's statements (from the chapter on planetary aspect quantification in BPHS) and explained in a recent mail, Saturn is in 3rd house in navamsa. He is not in 12th in dasamsa, but he is a yogakaraka in 11th. Actually, Saturn is in 3rd house from lagna in rasi chart also and not yet in the 4th house. All the three (3rd, 11th and 3rd) are excellent placements for Saturn. > > Pradeep:You were able to conclude with absolute clarity and have also taught students using the old system, in hundreds of dashamshas.Does it somehow mean that irrespective of which ''house in dashamsha'' the planet or lagna is falling, we astrologers will be able to find an explanation?. > > Regarding the bhava - rashi vs spanning over rashis- will write in detail in another email. One question for the moment. If a shloka says if the 4th bhava is a keeta rashi - how will you deduce the 4th Bhava? > > > > > > (3) How logical is it to say that neecha applies in divisional charts but not neecha bhanga? Of course, some rules we use in rasi chart may need to be adopted based on an understanding of why those rules work. > > Pradeep:Will write seperate mail. > > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Folks > > > > > > I saw an artile on Sri KN Rao's website on Late Dr. Raman. Please not the chart > > > > > > Aug 8, 1912 (Bangalore, 19:42 hrs) > > > Kumbha lagna, Markara navamsa > > > Using lahiri ayanamsa > > > > > > Saturn in in rohini nakshatra, debilitaten in navamsa and dashaamsa > > > D10 lagna is Vrishabha (Taurus). So Saturn goes to 12th house in D10. > > > > > > My question to all jyotishis is: Why did he do so well in Saturn dasha, when it is weak in D9 and D10?? > > > > > > there is some neechabhanga in D9 for saturn, not so in D10 (I am not even sure if we can use neechabhnanga concept in divisional charts) > > > > > > ishta phala for saturn is 13, kasta phapa is 43 > > > > > > I know that Saturn in lagna lord (good for Kumbha lagna), also a yogakaraka from Chandra lagna etc. > > > > > > > > > If you see that Saturn is weak and ill placed in D10, why would one predict good times in Saturn dasha? > > > > > > Looking only rasi - I can easliy say it is a good time/dasha, aspected by Ju (Bhavatha ratnakara, says that if Ju and Sat aspect each other, Saturn is a better period etc..) > > > > > > In D10 - Saturn is also 10th lord - debilitated in 12th house. > > > No does this fall in that great parashara exception?? > > > > > > Let me know you thoughts. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Manjunath Sharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Namaste Narasimha Ji Thank you for your answer. Parashara is mentioning about the bala of drishtis(question towards the beginning of this chapter is about different types of drishti balam) in grahasphuta drishti adhyaya. Here 1.sign aspects, 2.samanya(general) house based graha aspect and 3.longitude based precise graha drishtis are mentioned. Now regarding aspects i was pointing to Lagna Shadvargake shloka discussion. Here if you remember, sign aspects was not considered due to grade of aspect. Now you have , in your recent explanation(bhava), reiterated on the angular relationship/dispositions, underlying aspects and bhavas. Thus as you may agree , arrangement of varga positions cannot result in an aspect, unless the above said angular rules are fulfilled. Thus if you have to ,explain aspects mentioned in lagna shadvargake, ''divisional longitudes'' are to be brought in/ considered. Could you kindly show me another way. Regarding the rest of the email, i am in toal agreement with you. It is an honest statement as learning is evolutionary in nature. Research is always enlightening when done with shradha. Only point that i wanted to make was, we can get easily satisfied ,if we just go by ''the so called proof of pudding'' alone. We may also verify again , w.r to fundamental principles, before any conclusions. In Jyotish we can wait, before arriving at fast conclusions. Few months of ''chart analysis'' satisfaction, can be held back, from producing fresh theories. If the intention was to ignore, then there is no point in spending time. Let our collective efforts take us towards TRUTH. Now finally - there are places in classics where nature of rashis (nara, jala, keeta etc)have a say on strength of bhavas (1st , 4th ,7th ,10th etc). What will be your take here. It will be interesting. Yes i agree that Bhava sphuta positions are mentioned while talking about fructification. However i have a different understanding, which may be wrong. This i will explain later. Thanks Pradeep , " pvr108 " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > Regarding your first point on longitudes being needed for aspects: > > Aspects are of course possible without recourse to longitudes. There are sign based aspects and then house/longitude based aspects. Pararsara defined both. > > Regarding the second point on hundreds of dasamsas being analyzed in the past: > > I never claimed " absolute clarity " . Nor do I claim it now. All I know is that things are becoming clearer and the light is getting brighter, as time passes. > > When you learn Newton's laws of motion, you can explain a lot of mechanical phenomena using it. When you learn quantum mechanics or Einstein's relativity principles, you may be able to refine some things further. As knowledge evolves, you can understand things better. > > Astrology study and research are an ongoing activity for me. I am only interested in improving and sharing my knowledge. I refuse to become a slave of the imperfections in my previous state of knowledge. Though I aspire for perfection, I settle down at every stage for less imperfection than before. > > I do not force anything on anybody. Those who are unhappy with anything I advocate can ignore me! > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Narasimha Ji > > > > Please find some points. > > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > A few points: > > > > > > (2) If you use divisional longitudes > > > > Pradeep : Kindly recall our discussion couple of years back on Graha Sphuta Drishti. At that point you were considering aspects as a possible option in ''divisionals attained by planets and grahas'' without granting ''longitudes'' again. > > > > I am happy to see that after these years you yourself have identified that, an aspect is possible only if ''divisional longitudes'' are considered. Why such a longitude should not be considered is another point and will discuss later if you yourself are not finding it somehow. > > > > Narasimha: and use the house system that I deduced from Parasara's statements (from the chapter on planetary aspect quantification in BPHS) and explained in a recent mail, Saturn is in 3rd house in navamsa. He is not in 12th in dasamsa, but he is a yogakaraka in 11th. Actually, Saturn is in 3rd house from lagna in rasi chart also and not yet in the 4th house. All the three (3rd, 11th and 3rd) are excellent placements for Saturn. > > > > Pradeep:You were able to conclude with absolute clarity and have also taught students using the old system, in hundreds of dashamshas.Does it somehow mean that irrespective of which ''house in dashamsha'' the planet or lagna is falling, we astrologers will be able to find an explanation?. > > > > Regarding the bhava - rashi vs spanning over rashis- will write in detail in another email. One question for the moment. If a shloka says if the 4th bhava is a keeta rashi - how will you deduce the 4th Bhava? > > > > > > > > > > (3) How logical is it to say that neecha applies in divisional charts but not neecha bhanga? Of course, some rules we use in rasi chart may need to be adopted based on an understanding of why those rules work. > > > > Pradeep:Will write seperate mail. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > > Spirituality: > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > > > > , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Folks > > > > > > > > I saw an artile on Sri KN Rao's website on Late Dr. Raman. Please not the chart > > > > > > > > Aug 8, 1912 (Bangalore, 19:42 hrs) > > > > Kumbha lagna, Markara navamsa > > > > Using lahiri ayanamsa > > > > > > > > Saturn in in rohini nakshatra, debilitaten in navamsa and dashaamsa > > > > D10 lagna is Vrishabha (Taurus). So Saturn goes to 12th house in D10. > > > > > > > > My question to all jyotishis is: Why did he do so well in Saturn dasha, when it is weak in D9 and D10?? > > > > > > > > there is some neechabhanga in D9 for saturn, not so in D10 (I am not even sure if we can use neechabhnanga concept in divisional charts) > > > > > > > > ishta phala for saturn is 13, kasta phapa is 43 > > > > > > > > I know that Saturn in lagna lord (good for Kumbha lagna), also a yogakaraka from Chandra lagna etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you see that Saturn is weak and ill placed in D10, why would one predict good times in Saturn dasha? > > > > > > > > Looking only rasi - I can easliy say it is a good time/dasha, aspected by Ju (Bhavatha ratnakara, says that if Ju and Sat aspect each other, Saturn is a better period etc..) > > > > > > > > In D10 - Saturn is also 10th lord - debilitated in 12th house. > > > > No does this fall in that great parashara exception?? > > > > > > > > Let me know you thoughts. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Manjunath Sharma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Dear Shri Manjunath Jyotish is very vast as we have been discovering through our day to day experiences. There are many principles which we are yet to understand. Here we may wait a bit and explore more was the point which i wanted to drive home. The subjective nature of astrological explanations/analysis is so tricky , especially post-mortem, as you have rightly observed. Prediction and consistency may be possible if we understand the fundamentals, but this is not an easy job is my feeling. Most of the principles mentioned in texts are not self-explanatory. I guess we have to explore a lot, and get our basics as right as possible. Thanks Pradeep , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras wrote: > > Pradeepji > > Pradeep:You were able to conclude with absolute clarity and have also taught students using the old system, in hundreds of dashamshas.Does it somehow mean that irrespective of which ''house in dashamsha'' the planet or lagna is falling, we astrologers will be able to find an explanation?. > > > This is the crux of my argument. We knew it was BV Raman's chart, we cannot dispute the time (I think it was given by Shri Raman himself), we cannot dispute the D10 chart (if we use Lahiri ayanamsa). > > Just looking at D10 chart - I would say this person has had a bad career. Look at Sun and Saturn in 6/12 axis - debilitated. We can come with 100's of explanations after the event or knowing the facts or the native - it is all of no use. Just by knowing that the native was a famous astrologer, we are biased in our opinion. > > My 2 cents. > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Narasimha Ji > > > > Please find some points. > > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > A few points: > > > > > > (2) If you use divisional longitudes > > > > Pradeep : Kindly recall our discussion couple of years back on Graha Sphuta Drishti. At that point you were considering aspects as a possible option in ''divisionals attained by planets and grahas'' without granting ''longitudes'' again. > > > > I am happy to see that after these years you yourself have identified that, an aspect is possible only if ''divisional longitudes'' are considered. Why such a longitude should not be considered is another point and will discuss later if you yourself are not finding it somehow. > > > > Narasimha: and use the house system that I deduced from Parasara's statements (from the chapter on planetary aspect quantification in BPHS) and explained in a recent mail, Saturn is in 3rd house in navamsa. He is not in 12th in dasamsa, but he is a yogakaraka in 11th. Actually, Saturn is in 3rd house from lagna in rasi chart also and not yet in the 4th house. All the three (3rd, 11th and 3rd) are excellent placements for Saturn. > > > > Pradeep:You were able to conclude with absolute clarity and have also taught students using the old system, in hundreds of dashamshas.Does it somehow mean that irrespective of which ''house in dashamsha'' the planet or lagna is falling, we astrologers will be able to find an explanation?. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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