Guest guest Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Dear Sanjayji,Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? Regards,KrishnaOn Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jani, Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu. We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy, Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi.Warm RegardsSanjay P2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani>> >> Birth details of one my relative are follows. >> DOB 14/7/1972> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> Time: 20:20 Hrs>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.>> M H Jani Natal Chart July 14, 1972 Time: 20:20:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 72 E 55' 00 " , 20 N 51' 00 " Navsari, India Altitude: 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Ashadha Tithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve) Nakshatra: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left) Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise: 6:05:28Sunset: 19:22:37 Janma Ghatis: 35.6057Ayanamsa: 23-28-21.04 Sidereal Time: 15:11:56Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp Ta Sun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46 " Puna 3 Ge GeMoon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26 " PPha 1 Le Le Mars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95 " Push 4 Cn ScMercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10 " Asre 3 Cn Aq Jupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92 " Mool 3 Sg GeVenus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28 " Mrig 1 Ta Le Saturn - PiK 21 Ta 58' 15.19 " Rohi 4 Ta CnRahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08 " USha 2 Cp Cp Ketu 2 Cn 48' 03.08 " Puna 4 Cn CnMaandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18 " Bhar 2 Ar Vi Gulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59 " Aswi 3 Ar GeBhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21 " Dhan 3 Aq Li Hora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28 " UPha 3 Vi AqGhati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq Vighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48 " Rohi 1 Ta ArVarnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr 3 Ge Ar Sree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24 " Aswi 4 Ar CnPranapada Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80 " Hast 1 Vi Ar Indu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26 " Hast 2 Vi TaBhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17 " Bhar 4 Ar Sc Dhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46 " Anu 3 Sc LiVyatipata 17 Le 53' 43.54 " PPha 2 Le Vi Parivesha 17 Aq 53' 43.54 " Sata 4 Aq PiIndra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar Upaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46 " Mrig 2 Ta ViKaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04 " Mrig 3 Ge Li Mrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34 " Srav 1 Cp ArArtha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48 " Dhan 3 Aq Li Yama Ghantaka 28 Aq 41' 23.20 " PBha 3 Aq GePrana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14 " Reva 2 Pi Cp Deha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71 " Bhar 2 Ar ViMrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61 " PPha 3 Le Li Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45 " UPha 2 Vi CpTriSphuta 8 Ge 51' 28.97 " Ardr 1 Ge Sg ChatusSphuta 7 Vi 37' 45.43 " UPha 4 Vi PiPanchaSphuta 10 Ge 25' 48.50 " Ardr 2 Ge Cp V2 14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast 2 Vi TaV3 14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat 3 Li Le V4 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp ViV5 14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata 3 Aq Sg V6 14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi 2 Ta TaV7 14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr 3 Ge Ar V8 14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast 2 Vi TaV9 14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat 3 Li Sg V10 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp ViV11 14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata 3 Aq Le V12 14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi 2 Ta TaKunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81 " Krit 4 Ta Pi +--------------+| |Md Gk |Ve Sa |Su GL | | | | | || | | | | | | | | || | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| | |Ma Me | | | |Ke || | | | | | | || | | | |-----------| Rasi |-----------||As Ra | |Mo | | | | || | | | | | | || | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------||JuR | | |HL AL | | | | | || | | | | | | | | || | | | | +--------------++--------------+ | | |As |Su JuR || | | |Gk | | | | | || | | | | | | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Me HL | |Sa Ke ||GL | | | | | | || | | | | | Navamsa | ||-----------| |-----------| |Ra | D-9 |Mo Ve || | |AL | | | | || | | | | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | |Ma | |Md || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+--------------+ Vimsottari Dasa (): Ven Ven 1967-10-10 Sun 1971-02-05 Moon 1972-02-05 Mars 1973-10-09 Rah 1974-12-08 Jup 1977-12-08 Sat 1980-08-08 Merc 1983-10-10 Ket 1986-08-09 Sun Sun 1987-10-10 Moon 1988-01-25 Mars 1988-07-27 Rah 1988-12-02 Jup 1989-10-27 Sat 1990-08-15 Merc 1991-07-28 Ket 1992-05-31 Ven 1992-10-09 Moon Moon 1993-10-09 Mars 1994-08-09 Rah 1995-03-07 Jup 1996-09-09 Sat 1998-01-07 Merc 1999-08-09 Ket 2001-01-06 Ven 2001-08-09 Sun 2003-04-06 Mars Mars 2003-10-10 Rah 2004-03-03 Jup 2005-03-22 Sat 2006-02-26 Merc 2007-04-06 Ket 2008-04-03 Ven 2008-09-02 Sun 2009-11-03 Moon 2010-03-07 Rah Rah 2010-10-10 Jup 2013-06-19 Sat 2015-11-15 Merc 2018-09-21 Ket 2021-04-06 Ven 2022-04-25 Sun 2025-04-24 Moon 2026-03-19 Mars 2027-09-22 Jup Jup 2028-10-09 Sat 2030-11-27 Merc 2033-06-07 Ket 2035-09-16 Ven 2036-08-21 Sun 2039-04-19 Moon 2040-02-06 Mars 2041-06-07 Rah 2042-05-13 Sat Sat 2044-10-09 Merc 2047-10-13 Ket 2050-06-20 Ven 2051-07-31 Sun 2054-10-01 Moon 2055-09-13 Mars 2057-04-09 Rah 2058-05-20 Jup 2061-03-25 Merc Merc 2063-10-10 Ket 2066-03-04 Ven 2067-03-02 Sun 2070-01-01 Moon 2070-11-09 Mars 2072-04-06 Rah 2073-04-03 Jup 2075-10-25 Sat 2078-01-28 Ket Ket 2080-10-10 Ven 2081-03-04 Sun 2082-05-04 Moon 2082-09-13 Mars 2083-04-10 Rah 2083-09-10 Jup 2084-09-28 Sat 2085-09-03 Merc 2086-10-13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Namskar ji Chander and Shukra booth are in the fourth from the amsha lagna .. chander varggotma in naidhan bhava joining A6 .. mangal and ketu booth are badhka creating trouble for prithvi Tattwa .. mangal being in badhka amsha and Lording Gulika and mandi and A8, lord of forth from the chander in rashi placed 12th from chander need to pacify as rudra … offering panchamrit to Shiva or rudra abhisheka on regular basis .. I think stone of mangal can create problem..mantra is good enough. Panna or emerald stone is good …..prithi tattwa getting spoiled panna can be used being in kumbha amsa (in the molatrikona rashi of lagnesha , bhagyesh))… so I think prithi tattwa use in pooja also help native ………. yoga exercise like agnisar asna and Nadi shodhan.. also improve agni tattwa with in the body.. If we use Vimshottri dasa understanding then we have to go with conjunction rule (MAngal KEtu (Budha) … Best of luck.. regardAmit puri2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 Dear Sanjayji,Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? Regards,KrishnaOn Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jani, Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu. We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy, Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi.Warm RegardsSanjay P2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani>> >> Birth details of one my relative are follows. >> DOB 14/7/1972> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> Time: 20:20 Hrs>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.>> M H Jani Natal Chart July 14, 1972 Time: 20:20:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 72 E 55' 00 " , 20 N 51' 00 " Navsari, India Altitude: 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Ashadha Tithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve) Nakshatra: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left) Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise: 6:05:28Sunset: 19:22:37 Janma Ghatis: 35.6057Ayanamsa: 23-28-21.04 Sidereal Time: 15:11:56Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp Ta Sun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46 " Puna 3 Ge GeMoon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26 " PPha 1 Le Le Mars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95 " Push 4 Cn ScMercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10 " Asre 3 Cn Aq Jupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92 " Mool 3 Sg GeVenus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28 " Mrig 1 Ta Le Saturn - PiK 21 Ta 58' 15.19 " Rohi 4 Ta CnRahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08 " USha 2 Cp Cp Ketu 2 Cn 48' 03.08 " Puna 4 Cn CnMaandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18 " Bhar 2 Ar Vi Gulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59 " Aswi 3 Ar GeBhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21 " Dhan 3 Aq Li Hora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28 " UPha 3 Vi AqGhati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq Vighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48 " Rohi 1 Ta ArVarnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr 3 Ge Ar Sree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24 " Aswi 4 Ar CnPranapada Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80 " Hast 1 Vi Ar Indu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26 " Hast 2 Vi TaBhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17 " Bhar 4 Ar Sc Dhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46 " Anu 3 Sc LiVyatipata 17 Le 53' 43.54 " PPha 2 Le Vi Parivesha 17 Aq 53' 43.54 " Sata 4 Aq PiIndra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar Upaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46 " Mrig 2 Ta ViKaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04 " Mrig 3 Ge Li Mrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34 " Srav 1 Cp ArArtha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48 " Dhan 3 Aq Li Yama Ghantaka 28 Aq 41' 23.20 " PBha 3 Aq GePrana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14 " Reva 2 Pi Cp Deha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71 " Bhar 2 Ar ViMrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61 " PPha 3 Le Li Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45 " UPha 2 Vi CpTriSphuta 8 Ge 51' 28.97 " Ardr 1 Ge Sg ChatusSphuta 7 Vi 37' 45.43 " UPha 4 Vi PiPanchaSphuta 10 Ge 25' 48.50 " Ardr 2 Ge Cp V2 14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast 2 Vi TaV3 14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat 3 Li Le V4 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp ViV5 14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata 3 Aq Sg V6 14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi 2 Ta TaV7 14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr 3 Ge Ar V8 14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast 2 Vi TaV9 14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat 3 Li Sg V10 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp ViV11 14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata 3 Aq Le V12 14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi 2 Ta TaKunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81 " Krit 4 Ta Pi +--------------+| |Md Gk |Ve Sa |Su GL | | | | | || | | | | | | | | || | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| | |Ma Me | | | |Ke || | | | | | | || | | | |-----------| Rasi |-----------||As Ra | |Mo | | | | || | | | | | | || | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------||JuR | | |HL AL | | | | | || | | | | | | | | || | | | | +--------------++--------------+ | | |As |Su JuR || | | |Gk | | | | | || | | | | | | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Me HL | |Sa Ke ||GL | | | | | | || | | | | | Navamsa | ||-----------| |-----------| |Ra | D-9 |Mo Ve || | |AL | | | | || | | | | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | |Ma | |Md || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+--------------+ Vimsottari Dasa (): Ven Ven 1967-10-10 Sun 1971-02-05 Moon 1972-02-05 Mars 1973-10-09 Rah 1974-12-08 Jup 1977-12-08 Sat 1980-08-08 Merc 1983-10-10 Ket 1986-08-09 Sun Sun 1987-10-10 Moon 1988-01-25 Mars 1988-07-27 Rah 1988-12-02 Jup 1989-10-27 Sat 1990-08-15 Merc 1991-07-28 Ket 1992-05-31 Ven 1992-10-09 Moon Moon 1993-10-09 Mars 1994-08-09 Rah 1995-03-07 Jup 1996-09-09 Sat 1998-01-07 Merc 1999-08-09 Ket 2001-01-06 Ven 2001-08-09 Sun 2003-04-06 Mars Mars 2003-10-10 Rah 2004-03-03 Jup 2005-03-22 Sat 2006-02-26 Merc 2007-04-06 Ket 2008-04-03 Ven 2008-09-02 Sun 2009-11-03 Moon 2010-03-07 Rah Rah 2010-10-10 Jup 2013-06-19 Sat 2015-11-15 Merc 2018-09-21 Ket 2021-04-06 Ven 2022-04-25 Sun 2025-04-24 Moon 2026-03-19 Mars 2027-09-22 Jup Jup 2028-10-09 Sat 2030-11-27 Merc 2033-06-07 Ket 2035-09-16 Ven 2036-08-21 Sun 2039-04-19 Moon 2040-02-06 Mars 2041-06-07 Rah 2042-05-13 Sat Sat 2044-10-09 Merc 2047-10-13 Ket 2050-06-20 Ven 2051-07-31 Sun 2054-10-01 Moon 2055-09-13 Mars 2057-04-09 Rah 2058-05-20 Jup 2061-03-25 Merc Merc 2063-10-10 Ket 2066-03-04 Ven 2067-03-02 Sun 2070-01-01 Moon 2070-11-09 Mars 2072-04-06 Rah 2073-04-03 Jup 2075-10-25 Sat 2078-01-28 Ket Ket 2080-10-10 Ven 2081-03-04 Sun 2082-05-04 Moon 2082-09-13 Mars 2083-04-10 Rah 2083-09-10 Jup 2084-09-28 Sat 2085-09-03 Merc 2086-10-13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Krishna, Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue). But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's house. In another sense Vayu tattva is " Sense object " for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions. Warm Regards,Sanjay P2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 Dear Sanjayji,Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? Regards,KrishnaOn Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jani, Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu. We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy, Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi.Warm RegardsSanjay P2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani>> >> Birth details of one my relative are follows. >> DOB 14/7/1972> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> Time: 20:20 Hrs>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.>> M H Jani Natal Chart July 14, 1972 Time: 20:20:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 72 E 55' 00 " , 20 N 51' 00 " Navsari, India Altitude: 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Ashadha Tithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve) Nakshatra: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left) Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise: 6:05:28Sunset: 19:22:37 Janma Ghatis: 35.6057Ayanamsa: 23-28-21.04 Sidereal Time: 15:11:56Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp Ta Sun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46 " Puna 3 Ge GeMoon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26 " PPha 1 Le Le Mars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95 " Push 4 Cn ScMercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10 " Asre 3 Cn Aq Jupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92 " Mool 3 Sg GeVenus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28 " Mrig 1 Ta Le Saturn - PiK 21 Ta 58' 15.19 " Rohi 4 Ta CnRahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08 " USha 2 Cp Cp Ketu 2 Cn 48' 03.08 " Puna 4 Cn CnMaandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18 " Bhar 2 Ar Vi Gulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59 " Aswi 3 Ar GeBhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21 " Dhan 3 Aq Li Hora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28 " UPha 3 Vi AqGhati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq Vighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48 " Rohi 1 Ta ArVarnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr 3 Ge Ar Sree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24 " Aswi 4 Ar CnPranapada Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80 " Hast 1 Vi Ar Indu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26 " Hast 2 Vi TaBhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17 " Bhar 4 Ar Sc Dhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46 " Anu 3 Sc LiVyatipata 17 Le 53' 43.54 " PPha 2 Le Vi Parivesha 17 Aq 53' 43.54 " Sata 4 Aq PiIndra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar Upaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46 " Mrig 2 Ta ViKaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04 " Mrig 3 Ge Li Mrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34 " Srav 1 Cp ArArtha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48 " Dhan 3 Aq Li Yama Ghantaka 28 Aq 41' 23.20 " PBha 3 Aq GePrana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14 " Reva 2 Pi Cp Deha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71 " Bhar 2 Ar ViMrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61 " PPha 3 Le Li Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45 " UPha 2 Vi CpTriSphuta 8 Ge 51' 28.97 " Ardr 1 Ge Sg ChatusSphuta 7 Vi 37' 45.43 " UPha 4 Vi PiPanchaSphuta 10 Ge 25' 48.50 " Ardr 2 Ge Cp V2 14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast 2 Vi TaV3 14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat 3 Li Le V4 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp ViV5 14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata 3 Aq Sg V6 14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi 2 Ta TaV7 14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr 3 Ge Ar V8 14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast 2 Vi TaV9 14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat 3 Li Sg V10 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp ViV11 14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata 3 Aq Le V12 14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi 2 Ta TaKunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81 " Krit 4 Ta Pi +--------------+| |Md Gk |Ve Sa |Su GL | | | | | || | | | | | | | | || | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| | |Ma Me | | | |Ke || | | | | | | || | | | |-----------| Rasi |-----------||As Ra | |Mo | | | | || | | | | | | || | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------||JuR | | |HL AL | | | | | || | | | | | | | | || | | | | +--------------++--------------+ | | |As |Su JuR || | | |Gk | | | | | || | | | | | | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Me HL | |Sa Ke ||GL | | | | | | || | | | | | Navamsa | ||-----------| |-----------| |Ra | D-9 |Mo Ve || | |AL | | | | || | | | | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | |Ma | |Md || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+--------------+ Vimsottari Dasa (): Ven Ven 1967-10-10 Sun 1971-02-05 Moon 1972-02-05 Mars 1973-10-09 Rah 1974-12-08 Jup 1977-12-08 Sat 1980-08-08 Merc 1983-10-10 Ket 1986-08-09 Sun Sun 1987-10-10 Moon 1988-01-25 Mars 1988-07-27 Rah 1988-12-02 Jup 1989-10-27 Sat 1990-08-15 Merc 1991-07-28 Ket 1992-05-31 Ven 1992-10-09 Moon Moon 1993-10-09 Mars 1994-08-09 Rah 1995-03-07 Jup 1996-09-09 Sat 1998-01-07 Merc 1999-08-09 Ket 2001-01-06 Ven 2001-08-09 Sun 2003-04-06 Mars Mars 2003-10-10 Rah 2004-03-03 Jup 2005-03-22 Sat 2006-02-26 Merc 2007-04-06 Ket 2008-04-03 Ven 2008-09-02 Sun 2009-11-03 Moon 2010-03-07 Rah Rah 2010-10-10 Jup 2013-06-19 Sat 2015-11-15 Merc 2018-09-21 Ket 2021-04-06 Ven 2022-04-25 Sun 2025-04-24 Moon 2026-03-19 Mars 2027-09-22 Jup Jup 2028-10-09 Sat 2030-11-27 Merc 2033-06-07 Ket 2035-09-16 Ven 2036-08-21 Sun 2039-04-19 Moon 2040-02-06 Mars 2041-06-07 Rah 2042-05-13 Sat Sat 2044-10-09 Merc 2047-10-13 Ket 2050-06-20 Ven 2051-07-31 Sun 2054-10-01 Moon 2055-09-13 Mars 2057-04-09 Rah 2058-05-20 Jup 2061-03-25 Merc Merc 2063-10-10 Ket 2066-03-04 Ven 2067-03-02 Sun 2070-01-01 Moon 2070-11-09 Mars 2072-04-06 Rah 2073-04-03 Jup 2075-10-25 Sat 2078-01-28 Ket Ket 2080-10-10 Ven 2081-03-04 Sun 2082-05-04 Moon 2082-09-13 Mars 2083-04-10 Rah 2083-09-10 Jup 2084-09-28 Sat 2085-09-03 Merc 2086-10-13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Jai Gurudev,Dear All I m new and want to learn vedic astrology, so let me know how to learn and from where to start?Narendra AstikSanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiarsohamsa Sent: Friday, 28 August, 2009 11:49:10 AMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Krishna, Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue). But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's house. In another sense Vayu tattva is "Sense object" for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions. Warm Regards,Sanjay P2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Dear Sanjayji,Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? Regards,KrishnaOn Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jani, Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu. We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy, Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi.Warm RegardsSanjay P2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani >>> >> Birth details of one my relative are follows. >> DOB 14/7/1972> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> Time: 20:20 Hrs>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.>> M H Jani Natal Chart July 14, 1972 Time: 20:20:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 72 E 55' 00", 20 N 51' 00" Navsari, India Altitude: 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Ashadha Tithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve) Nakshatra: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left) Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise: 6:05:28Sunset: 19:22:37 Janma Ghatis: 35.6057Ayanamsa: 23-28-21.04 Sidereal Time: 15:11:56Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Ta Sun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46" Puna 3 Ge GeMoon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26" PPha 1 Le Le Mars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95" Push 4 Cn ScMercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10" Asre 3 Cn Aq Jupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92" Mool 3 Sg GeVenus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28" Mrig 1 Ta Le Saturn - PiK 21 Ta 58' 15.19" Rohi 4 Ta CnRahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08" USha 2 Cp Cp Ketu 2 Cn 48' 03.08" Puna 4 Cn CnMaandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18" Bhar 2 Ar Vi Gulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59" Aswi 3 Ar GeBhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21" Dhan 3 Aq Li Hora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28" UPha 3 Vi AqGhati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48" Ardr 3 Ge Aq Vighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48" Rohi 1 Ta ArVarnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge Ar Sree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24" Aswi 4 Ar CnPranapada Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80" Hast 1 Vi Ar Indu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26" Hast 2 Vi TaBhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17" Bhar 4 Ar Sc Dhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46" Anu 3 Sc LiVyatipata 17 Le 53' 43.54" PPha 2 Le Vi Parivesha 17 Aq 53' 43.54" Sata 4 Aq PiIndra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46" Rohi 1 Ta Ar Upaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46" Mrig 2 Ta ViKaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04" Mrig 3 Ge Li Mrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34" Srav 1 Cp ArArtha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48" Dhan 3 Aq Li Yama Ghantaka 28 Aq 41' 23.20" PBha 3 Aq GePrana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14" Reva 2 Pi Cp Deha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71" Bhar 2 Ar ViMrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61" PPha 3 Le Li Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45" UPha 2 Vi CpTriSphuta 8 Ge 51' 28.97" Ardr 1 Ge Sg ChatusSphuta 7 Vi 37' 45.43" UPha 4 Vi PiPanchaSphuta 10 Ge 25' 48.50" Ardr 2 Ge Cp V2 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi TaV3 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li Le V4 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp ViV5 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq Sg V6 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta TaV7 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge Ar V8 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi TaV9 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li Sg V10 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp ViV11 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq Le V12 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta TaKunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81" Krit 4 Ta Pi +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +| |Md Gk |Ve Sa |Su GL | | | | | || | | | | | | | | || | | | | |----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- || | |Ma Me | | | |Ke || | | | | | | || | | | |----------- | Rasi |----------- ||As Ra | |Mo | | | | || | | | | | | || | | | |----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- ||JuR | | |HL AL | | | | | || | | | | | | | | || | | | | +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ++----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + | | |As |Su JuR || | | |Gk | | | | | || | | | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | |Me HL | |Sa Ke ||GL | | | | | | || | | | | | Navamsa | ||----------- | |----------- | |Ra | D-9 |Mo Ve || | |AL | | | | || | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | | |Ma | |Md || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + Vimsottari Dasa (): Ven Ven 1967-10-10 Sun 1971-02-05 Moon 1972-02-05 Mars 1973-10-09 Rah 1974-12-08 Jup 1977-12-08 Sat 1980-08-08 Merc 1983-10-10 Ket 1986-08-09 Sun Sun 1987-10-10 Moon 1988-01-25 Mars 1988-07-27 Rah 1988-12-02 Jup 1989-10-27 Sat 1990-08-15 Merc 1991-07-28 Ket 1992-05-31 Ven 1992-10-09 Moon Moon 1993-10-09 Mars 1994-08-09 Rah 1995-03-07 Jup 1996-09-09 Sat 1998-01-07 Merc 1999-08-09 Ket 2001-01-06 Ven 2001-08-09 Sun 2003-04-06 Mars Mars 2003-10-10 Rah 2004-03-03 Jup 2005-03-22 Sat 2006-02-26 Merc 2007-04-06 Ket 2008-04-03 Ven 2008-09-02 Sun 2009-11-03 Moon 2010-03-07 Rah Rah 2010-10-10 Jup 2013-06-19 Sat 2015-11-15 Merc 2018-09-21 Ket 2021-04-06 Ven 2022-04-25 Sun 2025-04-24 Moon 2026-03-19 Mars 2027-09-22 Jup Jup 2028-10-09 Sat 2030-11-27 Merc 2033-06-07 Ket 2035-09-16 Ven 2036-08-21 Sun 2039-04-19 Moon 2040-02-06 Mars 2041-06-07 Rah 2042-05-13 Sat Sat 2044-10-09 Merc 2047-10-13 Ket 2050-06-20 Ven 2051-07-31 Sun 2054-10-01 Moon 2055-09-13 Mars 2057-04-09 Rah 2058-05-20 Jup 2061-03-25 Merc Merc 2063-10-10 Ket 2066-03-04 Ven 2067-03-02 Sun 2070-01-01 Moon 2070-11-09 Mars 2072-04-06 Rah 2073-04-03 Jup 2075-10-25 Sat 2078-01-28 Ket Ket 2080-10-10 Ven 2081-03-04 Sun 2082-05-04 Moon 2082-09-13 Mars 2083-04-10 Rah 2083-09-10 Jup 2084-09-28 Sat 2085-09-03 Merc 2086-10-13 Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Dear Sanjay,Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus. Interestingly, Dr. Charak in his book on " Essentials of Medical Astrology " puts leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better. Comments welcome.Regards,KrishnaOn Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Krishna, Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue). But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's house. In another sense Vayu tattva is " Sense object " for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions. Warm Regards,Sanjay P2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 Dear Sanjayji,Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? Regards,KrishnaOn Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jani, Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu. We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy, Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi.Warm RegardsSanjay P2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani>> >> Birth details of one my relative are follows. >> DOB 14/7/1972> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> Time: 20:20 Hrs>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.>> M H Jani Natal Chart July 14, 1972 Time: 20:20:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 72 E 55' 00 " , 20 N 51' 00 " Navsari, India Altitude: 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Ashadha Tithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve) Nakshatra: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left) Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise: 6:05:28Sunset: 19:22:37 Janma Ghatis: 35.6057Ayanamsa: 23-28-21.04 Sidereal Time: 15:11:56Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp Ta Sun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46 " Puna 3 Ge GeMoon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26 " PPha 1 Le Le Mars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95 " Push 4 Cn ScMercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10 " Asre 3 Cn Aq Jupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92 " Mool 3 Sg GeVenus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28 " Mrig 1 Ta Le Saturn - PiK 21 Ta 58' 15.19 " Rohi 4 Ta CnRahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08 " USha 2 Cp Cp Ketu 2 Cn 48' 03.08 " Puna 4 Cn CnMaandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18 " Bhar 2 Ar Vi Gulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59 " Aswi 3 Ar GeBhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21 " Dhan 3 Aq Li Hora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28 " UPha 3 Vi AqGhati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq Vighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48 " Rohi 1 Ta ArVarnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr 3 Ge Ar Sree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24 " Aswi 4 Ar CnPranapada Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80 " Hast 1 Vi Ar Indu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26 " Hast 2 Vi TaBhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17 " Bhar 4 Ar Sc Dhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46 " Anu 3 Sc LiVyatipata 17 Le 53' 43.54 " PPha 2 Le Vi Parivesha 17 Aq 53' 43.54 " Sata 4 Aq PiIndra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar Upaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46 " Mrig 2 Ta ViKaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04 " Mrig 3 Ge Li Mrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34 " Srav 1 Cp ArArtha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48 " Dhan 3 Aq Li Yama Ghantaka 28 Aq 41' 23.20 " PBha 3 Aq GePrana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14 " Reva 2 Pi Cp Deha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71 " Bhar 2 Ar ViMrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61 " PPha 3 Le Li Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45 " UPha 2 Vi CpTriSphuta 8 Ge 51' 28.97 " Ardr 1 Ge Sg ChatusSphuta 7 Vi 37' 45.43 " UPha 4 Vi PiPanchaSphuta 10 Ge 25' 48.50 " Ardr 2 Ge Cp V2 14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast 2 Vi TaV3 14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat 3 Li Le V4 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp ViV5 14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata 3 Aq Sg V6 14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi 2 Ta TaV7 14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr 3 Ge Ar V8 14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast 2 Vi TaV9 14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat 3 Li Sg V10 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp ViV11 14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata 3 Aq Le V12 14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi 2 Ta TaKunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81 " Krit 4 Ta Pi +--------------+| |Md Gk |Ve Sa |Su GL | | | | | || | | | | | | | | || | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| | |Ma Me | | | |Ke || | | | | | | || | | | |-----------| Rasi |-----------||As Ra | |Mo | | | | || | | | | | | || | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------||JuR | | |HL AL | | | | | || | | | | | | | | || | | | | +--------------++--------------+ | | |As |Su JuR || | | |Gk | | | | | || | | | | | | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Me HL | |Sa Ke ||GL | | | | | | || | | | | | Navamsa | ||-----------| |-----------| |Ra | D-9 |Mo Ve || | |AL | | | | || | | | | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | |Ma | |Md || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+--------------+ Vimsottari Dasa (): Ven Ven 1967-10-10 Sun 1971-02-05 Moon 1972-02-05 Mars 1973-10-09 Rah 1974-12-08 Jup 1977-12-08 Sat 1980-08-08 Merc 1983-10-10 Ket 1986-08-09 Sun Sun 1987-10-10 Moon 1988-01-25 Mars 1988-07-27 Rah 1988-12-02 Jup 1989-10-27 Sat 1990-08-15 Merc 1991-07-28 Ket 1992-05-31 Ven 1992-10-09 Moon Moon 1993-10-09 Mars 1994-08-09 Rah 1995-03-07 Jup 1996-09-09 Sat 1998-01-07 Merc 1999-08-09 Ket 2001-01-06 Ven 2001-08-09 Sun 2003-04-06 Mars Mars 2003-10-10 Rah 2004-03-03 Jup 2005-03-22 Sat 2006-02-26 Merc 2007-04-06 Ket 2008-04-03 Ven 2008-09-02 Sun 2009-11-03 Moon 2010-03-07 Rah Rah 2010-10-10 Jup 2013-06-19 Sat 2015-11-15 Merc 2018-09-21 Ket 2021-04-06 Ven 2022-04-25 Sun 2025-04-24 Moon 2026-03-19 Mars 2027-09-22 Jup Jup 2028-10-09 Sat 2030-11-27 Merc 2033-06-07 Ket 2035-09-16 Ven 2036-08-21 Sun 2039-04-19 Moon 2040-02-06 Mars 2041-06-07 Rah 2042-05-13 Sat Sat 2044-10-09 Merc 2047-10-13 Ket 2050-06-20 Ven 2051-07-31 Sun 2054-10-01 Moon 2055-09-13 Mars 2057-04-09 Rah 2058-05-20 Jup 2061-03-25 Merc Merc 2063-10-10 Ket 2066-03-04 Ven 2067-03-02 Sun 2070-01-01 Moon 2070-11-09 Mars 2072-04-06 Rah 2073-04-03 Jup 2075-10-25 Sat 2078-01-28 Ket Ket 2080-10-10 Ven 2081-03-04 Sun 2082-05-04 Moon 2082-09-13 Mars 2083-04-10 Rah 2083-09-10 Jup 2084-09-28 Sat 2085-09-03 Merc 2086-10-13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Dear Sanjay,In my earlier mail, I forgot to add one more point for suspecting the involvement of Ketu with leucoderma.Scientifically it is still not known what actually causes leucoderma. According to one theory, people with leucoderma develop antibodies (read KETU) that, turn upon them and destroy their own melanocytes instead of protecting them.Thanks and Regards,KrishnaOn Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: Dear Sanjay,Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus. Interestingly, Dr. Charak in his book on " Essentials of Medical Astrology " puts leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better. Comments welcome.Regards,KrishnaOn Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Krishna, Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue). But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's house. In another sense Vayu tattva is " Sense object " for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions. Warm Regards,Sanjay P2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 Dear Sanjayji,Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? Regards,KrishnaOn Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jani, Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu. We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy, Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi.Warm RegardsSanjay P2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani>> >> Birth details of one my relative are follows. >> DOB 14/7/1972> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> Time: 20:20 Hrs>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.>> M H Jani Natal Chart July 14, 1972 Time: 20:20:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 72 E 55' 00 " , 20 N 51' 00 " Navsari, India Altitude: 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Ashadha Tithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve) Nakshatra: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left) Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise: 6:05:28Sunset: 19:22:37 Janma Ghatis: 35.6057Ayanamsa: 23-28-21.04 Sidereal Time: 15:11:56Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp Ta Sun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46 " Puna 3 Ge GeMoon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26 " PPha 1 Le Le Mars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95 " Push 4 Cn ScMercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10 " Asre 3 Cn Aq Jupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92 " Mool 3 Sg GeVenus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28 " Mrig 1 Ta Le Saturn - PiK 21 Ta 58' 15.19 " Rohi 4 Ta CnRahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08 " USha 2 Cp Cp Ketu 2 Cn 48' 03.08 " Puna 4 Cn CnMaandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18 " Bhar 2 Ar Vi Gulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59 " Aswi 3 Ar GeBhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21 " Dhan 3 Aq Li Hora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28 " UPha 3 Vi AqGhati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq Vighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48 " Rohi 1 Ta ArVarnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr 3 Ge Ar Sree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24 " Aswi 4 Ar CnPranapada Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80 " Hast 1 Vi Ar Indu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26 " Hast 2 Vi TaBhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17 " Bhar 4 Ar Sc Dhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46 " Anu 3 Sc LiVyatipata 17 Le 53' 43.54 " PPha 2 Le Vi Parivesha 17 Aq 53' 43.54 " Sata 4 Aq PiIndra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar Upaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46 " Mrig 2 Ta ViKaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04 " Mrig 3 Ge Li Mrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34 " Srav 1 Cp ArArtha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48 " Dhan 3 Aq Li Yama Ghantaka 28 Aq 41' 23.20 " PBha 3 Aq GePrana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14 " Reva 2 Pi Cp Deha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71 " Bhar 2 Ar ViMrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61 " PPha 3 Le Li Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45 " UPha 2 Vi CpTriSphuta 8 Ge 51' 28.97 " Ardr 1 Ge Sg ChatusSphuta 7 Vi 37' 45.43 " UPha 4 Vi PiPanchaSphuta 10 Ge 25' 48.50 " Ardr 2 Ge Cp V2 14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast 2 Vi TaV3 14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat 3 Li Le V4 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp ViV5 14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata 3 Aq Sg V6 14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi 2 Ta TaV7 14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr 3 Ge Ar V8 14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast 2 Vi TaV9 14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat 3 Li Sg V10 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp ViV11 14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata 3 Aq Le V12 14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi 2 Ta TaKunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81 " Krit 4 Ta Pi +--------------+| |Md Gk |Ve Sa |Su GL | | | | | || | | | | | | | | || | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| | |Ma Me | | | |Ke || | | | | | | || | | | |-----------| Rasi |-----------||As Ra | |Mo | | | | || | | | | | | || | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------||JuR | | |HL AL | | | | | || | | | | | | | | || | | | | +--------------++--------------+ | | |As |Su JuR || | | |Gk | | | | | || | | | | | | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Me HL | |Sa Ke ||GL | | | | | | || | | | | | Navamsa | ||-----------| |-----------| |Ra | D-9 |Mo Ve || | |AL | | | | || | | | | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | |Ma | |Md || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+--------------+ Vimsottari Dasa (): Ven Ven 1967-10-10 Sun 1971-02-05 Moon 1972-02-05 Mars 1973-10-09 Rah 1974-12-08 Jup 1977-12-08 Sat 1980-08-08 Merc 1983-10-10 Ket 1986-08-09 Sun Sun 1987-10-10 Moon 1988-01-25 Mars 1988-07-27 Rah 1988-12-02 Jup 1989-10-27 Sat 1990-08-15 Merc 1991-07-28 Ket 1992-05-31 Ven 1992-10-09 Moon Moon 1993-10-09 Mars 1994-08-09 Rah 1995-03-07 Jup 1996-09-09 Sat 1998-01-07 Merc 1999-08-09 Ket 2001-01-06 Ven 2001-08-09 Sun 2003-04-06 Mars Mars 2003-10-10 Rah 2004-03-03 Jup 2005-03-22 Sat 2006-02-26 Merc 2007-04-06 Ket 2008-04-03 Ven 2008-09-02 Sun 2009-11-03 Moon 2010-03-07 Rah Rah 2010-10-10 Jup 2013-06-19 Sat 2015-11-15 Merc 2018-09-21 Ket 2021-04-06 Ven 2022-04-25 Sun 2025-04-24 Moon 2026-03-19 Mars 2027-09-22 Jup Jup 2028-10-09 Sat 2030-11-27 Merc 2033-06-07 Ket 2035-09-16 Ven 2036-08-21 Sun 2039-04-19 Moon 2040-02-06 Mars 2041-06-07 Rah 2042-05-13 Sat Sat 2044-10-09 Merc 2047-10-13 Ket 2050-06-20 Ven 2051-07-31 Sun 2054-10-01 Moon 2055-09-13 Mars 2057-04-09 Rah 2058-05-20 Jup 2061-03-25 Merc Merc 2063-10-10 Ket 2066-03-04 Ven 2067-03-02 Sun 2070-01-01 Moon 2070-11-09 Mars 2072-04-06 Rah 2073-04-03 Jup 2075-10-25 Sat 2078-01-28 Ket Ket 2080-10-10 Ven 2081-03-04 Sun 2082-05-04 Moon 2082-09-13 Mars 2083-04-10 Rah 2083-09-10 Jup 2084-09-28 Sat 2085-09-03 Merc 2086-10-13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved. When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body. Many skin problems are the result of "body chemistry" out of wack. Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues. Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue. Bottom line Many of these things overlap ( i mean karaka wise) Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it? So I see it all as inter related. See primary issue, and then secondary issue. In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause. Best wishes Lakshmi Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58sohamsa Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Sanjay, Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus. Interestingly, Dr. Charak in his book on "Essentials of Medical Astrology" puts leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better. Comments welcome. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Krishna, Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue).But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's house.In another sense Vayu tattva is "Sense object" for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions.Warm Regards,Sanjay P 2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Dear Sanjayji, Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? Regards, Krishna On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jani, Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu.We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy,Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi.Warm RegardsSanjay P2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani >>> >> Birth details of one my relative are follows.>> DOB 14/7/1972> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> Time: 20:20 Hrs>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.>> M H JaniNatal Chart July 14, 1972Time: 20:20:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 72 E 55' 00", 20 N 51' 00" Navsari, IndiaAltitude: 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - AshadhaTithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve)Nakshatra: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left)Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn)Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars)Sunrise: 6:05:28Sunset: 19:22:37Janma Ghatis: 35.6057Ayanamsa: 23-28-21.04Sidereal Time: 15:11:56Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi NavamsaLagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp TaSun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46" Puna 3 Ge GeMoon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26" PPha 1 Le LeMars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95" Push 4 Cn ScMercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10" Asre 3 Cn AqJupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92" Mool 3 Sg GeVenus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28" Mrig 1 Ta LeSaturn - PiK 21 Ta 58' 15.19" Rohi 4 Ta CnRahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08" USha 2 Cp CpKetu 2 Cn 48' 03.08" Puna 4 Cn CnMaandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18" Bhar 2 Ar ViGulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59" Aswi 3 Ar GeBhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21" Dhan 3 Aq LiHora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28" UPha 3 Vi AqGhati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48" Ardr 3 Ge AqVighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48" Rohi 1 Ta ArVarnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge ArSree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24" Aswi 4 Ar CnPranapada Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80" Hast 1 Vi ArIndu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26" Hast 2 Vi TaBhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17" Bhar 4 Ar ScDhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46" Anu 3 Sc LiVyatipata 17 Le 53' 43.54" PPha 2 Le ViParivesha 17 Aq 53' 43.54" Sata 4 Aq PiIndra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46" Rohi 1 Ta ArUpaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46" Mrig 2 Ta ViKaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04" Mrig 3 Ge LiMrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34" Srav 1 Cp ArArtha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48" Dhan 3 Aq LiYama Ghantaka 28 Aq 41' 23.20" PBha 3 Aq GePrana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14" Reva 2 Pi CpDeha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71" Bhar 2 Ar ViMrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61" PPha 3 Le LiSookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45" UPha 2 Vi CpTriSphuta 8 Ge 51' 28.97" Ardr 1 Ge SgChatusSphuta 7 Vi 37' 45.43" UPha 4 Vi PiPanchaSphuta 10 Ge 25' 48.50" Ardr 2 Ge CpV2 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi TaV3 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li LeV4 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp ViV5 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq SgV6 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta TaV7 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge ArV8 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi TaV9 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li SgV10 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp ViV11 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq LeV12 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta TaKunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81" Krit 4 Ta Pi+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +| |Md Gk |Ve Sa |Su GL || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- || | |Ma Me || | |Ke || | | || | | || | | ||----------- | Rasi |----------- ||As Ra | |Mo || | | || | | || | | || | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- ||JuR | | |HL AL || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ++----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +| | |As |Su JuR || | | |Gk || | | | || | | | || | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- ||Me HL | |Sa Ke ||GL | | || | | || | | || | Navamsa | ||----------- | |----------- ||Ra | D-9 |Mo Ve || | |AL || | | || | | || | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- || |Ma | |Md || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +Vimsottari Dasa ():Ven Ven 1967-10-10 Sun 1971-02-05 Moon 1972-02-05 Mars 1973-10-09 Rah 1974-12-08 Jup 1977-12-08 Sat 1980-08-08 Merc 1983-10-10 Ket 1986-08-09 Sun Sun 1987-10-10 Moon 1988-01-25 Mars 1988-07-27 Rah 1988-12-02 Jup 1989-10-27 Sat 1990-08-15 Merc 1991-07-28 Ket 1992-05-31 Ven 1992-10-09 Moon Moon 1993-10-09 Mars 1994-08-09 Rah 1995-03-07 Jup 1996-09-09 Sat 1998-01-07 Merc 1999-08-09 Ket 2001-01-06 Ven 2001-08-09 Sun 2003-04-06 Mars Mars 2003-10-10 Rah 2004-03-03 Jup 2005-03-22 Sat 2006-02-26 Merc 2007-04-06 Ket 2008-04-03 Ven 2008-09-02 Sun 2009-11-03 Moon 2010-03-07 Rah Rah 2010-10-10 Jup 2013-06-19 Sat 2015-11-15 Merc 2018-09-21 Ket 2021-04-06 Ven 2022-04-25 Sun 2025-04-24 Moon 2026-03-19 Mars 2027-09-22 Jup Jup 2028-10-09 Sat 2030-11-27 Merc 2033-06-07 Ket 2035-09-16 Ven 2036-08-21 Sun 2039-04-19 Moon 2040-02-06 Mars 2041-06-07 Rah 2042-05-13 Sat Sat 2044-10-09 Merc 2047-10-13 Ket 2050-06-20 Ven 2051-07-31 Sun 2054-10-01 Moon 2055-09-13 Mars 2057-04-09 Rah 2058-05-20 Jup 2061-03-25 Merc Merc 2063-10-10 Ket 2066-03-04 Ven 2067-03-02 Sun 2070-01-01 Moon 2070-11-09 Mars 2072-04-06 Rah 2073-04-03 Jup 2075-10-25 Sat 2078-01-28 Ket Ket 2080-10-10 Ven 2081-03-04 Sun 2082-05-04 Moon 2082-09-13 Mars 2083-04-10 Rah 2083-09-10 Jup 2084-09-28 Sat 2085-09-03 Merc 2086-10-13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Dear Lakshmi,I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey.Did you want to say:- It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or - It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and VenusPlease clarify.Regards,KrishnaOn Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved. When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body. Many skin problems are the result of " body chemistry " out of wack. Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues. Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue. Bottom line Many of these things overlap ( i mean karaka wise) Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it? So I see it all as inter related. See primary issue, and then secondary issue. In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause. Best wishes Lakshmi Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58sohamsa Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Sanjay, Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus. Interestingly, Dr. Charak in his book on " Essentials of Medical Astrology " puts leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better. Comments welcome. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Krishna, Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue). But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's house.In another sense Vayu tattva is " Sense object " for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions. Warm Regards,Sanjay P 2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Dear Sanjayji, Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? Regards, Krishna On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jani, Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu. We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy, Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi. Warm RegardsSanjay P2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani >>> >> Birth details of one my relative are follows. >> DOB 14/7/1972> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> Time: 20:20 Hrs>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.>> M H Jani Natal Chart July 14, 1972 Time: 20:20:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 72 E 55' 00 " , 20 N 51' 00 " Navsari, India Altitude: 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Ashadha Tithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve) Nakshatra: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left) Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise: 6:05:28Sunset: 19:22:37 Janma Ghatis: 35.6057Ayanamsa: 23-28-21.04 Sidereal Time: 15:11:56Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp TaSun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46 " Puna 3 Ge Ge Moon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26 " PPha 1 Le LeMars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95 " Push 4 Cn Sc Mercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10 " Asre 3 Cn AqJupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92 " Mool 3 Sg Ge Venus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28 " Mrig 1 Ta LeSaturn - PiK 21 Ta 58' 15.19 " Rohi 4 Ta CnRahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08 " USha 2 Cp Cp Ketu 2 Cn 48' 03.08 " Puna 4 Cn CnMaandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18 " Bhar 2 Ar Vi Gulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59 " Aswi 3 Ar GeBhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21 " Dhan 3 Aq Li Hora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28 " UPha 3 Vi AqGhati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq Vighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48 " Rohi 1 Ta ArVarnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr 3 Ge Ar Sree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24 " Aswi 4 Ar CnPranapada Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80 " Hast 1 Vi Ar Indu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26 " Hast 2 Vi TaBhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17 " Bhar 4 Ar ScDhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46 " Anu 3 Sc Li Vyatipata 17 Le 53' 43.54 " PPha 2 Le ViParivesha 17 Aq 53' 43.54 " Sata 4 Aq Pi Indra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46 " Rohi 1 Ta ArUpaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46 " Mrig 2 Ta Vi Kaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04 " Mrig 3 Ge LiMrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34 " Srav 1 Cp Ar Artha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48 " Dhan 3 Aq LiYama Ghantaka 28 Aq 41' 23.20 " PBha 3 Aq GePrana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14 " Reva 2 Pi Cp Deha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71 " Bhar 2 Ar ViMrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61 " PPha 3 Le Li Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45 " UPha 2 Vi CpTriSphuta 8 Ge 51' 28.97 " Ardr 1 Ge Sg ChatusSphuta 7 Vi 37' 45.43 " UPha 4 Vi PiPanchaSphuta 10 Ge 25' 48.50 " Ardr 2 Ge Cp V2 14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast 2 Vi TaV3 14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat 3 Li LeV4 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp Vi V5 14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata 3 Aq SgV6 14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi 2 Ta Ta V7 14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr 3 Ge ArV8 14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast 2 Vi Ta V9 14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat 3 Li SgV10 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp Vi V11 14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata 3 Aq LeV12 14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi 2 Ta Ta Kunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81 " Krit 4 Ta Pi+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + | |Md Gk |Ve Sa |Su GL || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | | | |Ma Me || | |Ke | | | | || | | || | | | |----------- | Rasi |----------- ||As Ra | |Mo || | | | | | | || | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | |JuR | | |HL AL || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +| | |As |Su JuR | | | | |Gk || | | | | | | | | || | | | | |----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- ||Me HL | |Sa Ke | |GL | | || | | || | | | | | Navamsa | ||----------- | |----------- | |Ra | D-9 |Mo Ve || | |AL | | | | || | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | | |Ma | |Md || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + Vimsottari Dasa (): Ven Ven 1967-10-10 Sun 1971-02-05 Moon 1972-02-05 Mars 1973-10-09 Rah 1974-12-08 Jup 1977-12-08 Sat 1980-08-08 Merc 1983-10-10 Ket 1986-08-09 Sun Sun 1987-10-10 Moon 1988-01-25 Mars 1988-07-27 Rah 1988-12-02 Jup 1989-10-27 Sat 1990-08-15 Merc 1991-07-28 Ket 1992-05-31 Ven 1992-10-09 Moon Moon 1993-10-09 Mars 1994-08-09 Rah 1995-03-07 Jup 1996-09-09 Sat 1998-01-07 Merc 1999-08-09 Ket 2001-01-06 Ven 2001-08-09 Sun 2003-04-06 Mars Mars 2003-10-10 Rah 2004-03-03 Jup 2005-03-22 Sat 2006-02-26 Merc 2007-04-06 Ket 2008-04-03 Ven 2008-09-02 Sun 2009-11-03 Moon 2010-03-07 Rah Rah 2010-10-10 Jup 2013-06-19 Sat 2015-11-15 Merc 2018-09-21 Ket 2021-04-06 Ven 2022-04-25 Sun 2025-04-24 Moon 2026-03-19 Mars 2027-09-22 Jup Jup 2028-10-09 Sat 2030-11-27 Merc 2033-06-07 Ket 2035-09-16 Ven 2036-08-21 Sun 2039-04-19 Moon 2040-02-06 Mars 2041-06-07 Rah 2042-05-13 Sat Sat 2044-10-09 Merc 2047-10-13 Ket 2050-06-20 Ven 2051-07-31 Sun 2054-10-01 Moon 2055-09-13 Mars 2057-04-09 Rah 2058-05-20 Jup 2061-03-25 Merc Merc 2063-10-10 Ket 2066-03-04 Ven 2067-03-02 Sun 2070-01-01 Moon 2070-11-09 Mars 2072-04-06 Rah 2073-04-03 Jup 2075-10-25 Sat 2078-01-28 Ket Ket 2080-10-10 Ven 2081-03-04 Sun 2082-05-04 Moon 2082-09-13 Mars 2083-04-10 Rah 2083-09-10 Jup 2084-09-28 Sat 2085-09-03 Merc 2086-10-13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Nice name! I was just making some points when trying to understand disease in astro. Yes, disease is usually a multi planet project, it isnt so simple to point finger at one planet. There is the seed , or origin, and then it manifests and grows,in the right environment due to karma, it often changes and can become a multitude of external and internal "symptoms". Many think the origin of most DIS EASE begins with the mind. Thats the value of ayurveda combined with astro, to determine where the intrinsic weak parts are, where are the imbalances,etc.Then perform remedies, change diet etc. In regards to Leucoderma, im pretty sure I read in Jaimini Sutras that Venus is connected to it. Why? I dont know, except Venus plays a role with hormones,lymph, rejuvenation( or lack thereof) But Venus by itself isnt going to be the sole planet involved. Im saying Venus must be at the root of it. Most diseases end up involving many parts of the body. Hope you understand my point. One "symptom" of lupus is a rash on the cheeks. One symptom of chicken pox is a rash. One indication of AIDS is a distinct type of skin cancer. So where are we going to look for the basis of these disease? Not at the skin, it is just one of many "symptoms". Planets, signs and houses, have multiple karaka . Hopefully you understand what i was getting at. Best wishes Lakshmi Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58sohamsa Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:24:56 PMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Lakshmi, I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey. Did you want to say: - It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or - It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and Venus Please clarify. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved. When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body. Many skin problems are the result of "body chemistry" out of wack. Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues. Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue. Bottom line Many of these things overlap ( i mean karaka wise) Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it? So I see it all as inter related. See primary issue, and then secondary issue. In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause. Best wishes Lakshmi Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .comFriday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Sanjay, Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus. Interestingly, Dr. Charak in his book on "Essentials of Medical Astrology" puts leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better. Comments welcome. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Krishna, Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue).But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's house.In another sense Vayu tattva is "Sense object" for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions.Warm Regards,Sanjay P 2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Dear Sanjayji, Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? Regards, Krishna On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jani, Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu.We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy,Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi.Warm RegardsSanjay P2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani >>> >> Birth details of one my relative are follows.>> DOB 14/7/1972> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> Time: 20:20 Hrs>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.>> M H JaniNatal Chart July 14, 1972Time: 20:20:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 72 E 55' 00", 20 N 51' 00" Navsari, IndiaAltitude: 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - AshadhaTithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve)Nakshatra: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left)Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn)Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars)Sunrise: 6:05:28Sunset: 19:22:37Janma Ghatis: 35.6057Ayanamsa: 23-28-21.04Sidereal Time: 15:11:56Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi NavamsaLagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp TaSun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46" Puna 3 Ge GeMoon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26" PPha 1 Le LeMars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95" Push 4 Cn ScMercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10" Asre 3 Cn AqJupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92" Mool 3 Sg GeVenus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28" Mrig 1 Ta LeSaturn - PiK 21 Ta 58' 15.19" Rohi 4 Ta CnRahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08" USha 2 Cp CpKetu 2 Cn 48' 03.08" Puna 4 Cn CnMaandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18" Bhar 2 Ar ViGulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59" Aswi 3 Ar GeBhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21" Dhan 3 Aq LiHora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28" UPha 3 Vi AqGhati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48" Ardr 3 Ge AqVighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48" Rohi 1 Ta ArVarnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge ArSree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24" Aswi 4 Ar CnPranapada Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80" Hast 1 Vi ArIndu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26" Hast 2 Vi TaBhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17" Bhar 4 Ar ScDhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46" Anu 3 Sc LiVyatipata 17 Le 53' 43.54" PPha 2 Le ViParivesha 17 Aq 53' 43.54" Sata 4 Aq PiIndra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46" Rohi 1 Ta ArUpaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46" Mrig 2 Ta ViKaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04" Mrig 3 Ge LiMrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34" Srav 1 Cp ArArtha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48" Dhan 3 Aq LiYama Ghantaka 28 Aq 41' 23.20" PBha 3 Aq GePrana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14" Reva 2 Pi CpDeha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71" Bhar 2 Ar ViMrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61" PPha 3 Le LiSookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45" UPha 2 Vi CpTriSphuta 8 Ge 51' 28.97" Ardr 1 Ge SgChatusSphuta 7 Vi 37' 45.43" UPha 4 Vi PiPanchaSphuta 10 Ge 25' 48.50" Ardr 2 Ge CpV2 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi TaV3 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li LeV4 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp ViV5 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq SgV6 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta TaV7 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge ArV8 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi TaV9 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li SgV10 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp ViV11 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq LeV12 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta TaKunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81" Krit 4 Ta Pi+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +| |Md Gk |Ve Sa |Su GL || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- || | |Ma Me || | |Ke || | | || | | || | | ||----------- | Rasi |----------- ||As Ra | |Mo || | | || | | || | | || | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- ||JuR | | |HL AL || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ++----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +| | |As |Su JuR || | | |Gk || | | | || | | | || | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- ||Me HL | |Sa Ke ||GL | | || | | || | | || | Navamsa | ||----------- | |----------- ||Ra | D-9 |Mo Ve || | |AL || | | || | | || | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- || |Ma | |Md || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +Vimsottari Dasa ():Ven Ven 1967-10-10 Sun 1971-02-05 Moon 1972-02-05 Mars 1973-10-09 Rah 1974-12-08 Jup 1977-12-08 Sat 1980-08-08 Merc 1983-10-10 Ket 1986-08-09 Sun Sun 1987-10-10 Moon 1988-01-25 Mars 1988-07-27 Rah 1988-12-02 Jup 1989-10-27 Sat 1990-08-15 Merc 1991-07-28 Ket 1992-05-31 Ven 1992-10-09 Moon Moon 1993-10-09 Mars 1994-08-09 Rah 1995-03-07 Jup 1996-09-09 Sat 1998-01-07 Merc 1999-08-09 Ket 2001-01-06 Ven 2001-08-09 Sun 2003-04-06 Mars Mars 2003-10-10 Rah 2004-03-03 Jup 2005-03-22 Sat 2006-02-26 Merc 2007-04-06 Ket 2008-04-03 Ven 2008-09-02 Sun 2009-11-03 Moon 2010-03-07 Rah Rah 2010-10-10 Jup 2013-06-19 Sat 2015-11-15 Merc 2018-09-21 Ket 2021-04-06 Ven 2022-04-25 Sun 2025-04-24 Moon 2026-03-19 Mars 2027-09-22 Jup Jup 2028-10-09 Sat 2030-11-27 Merc 2033-06-07 Ket 2035-09-16 Ven 2036-08-21 Sun 2039-04-19 Moon 2040-02-06 Mars 2041-06-07 Rah 2042-05-13 Sat Sat 2044-10-09 Merc 2047-10-13 Ket 2050-06-20 Ven 2051-07-31 Sun 2054-10-01 Moon 2055-09-13 Mars 2057-04-09 Rah 2058-05-20 Jup 2061-03-25 Merc Merc 2063-10-10 Ket 2066-03-04 Ven 2067-03-02 Sun 2070-01-01 Moon 2070-11-09 Mars 2072-04-06 Rah 2073-04-03 Jup 2075-10-25 Sat 2078-01-28 Ket Ket 2080-10-10 Ven 2081-03-04 Sun 2082-05-04 Moon 2082-09-13 Mars 2083-04-10 Rah 2083-09-10 Jup 2084-09-28 Sat 2085-09-03 Merc 2086-10-13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Dear Lakshmi,Yours is a good name too :-)Thanks for taking time to explain and clarify my question.OK, I understand your view point now. Your point is - Venus is the primary cause for leucoderma. And, you also agree that we should look beyond Venus to confirm the disease. Fair enough. Thanks for expressing your views. My logic was that unless the dhatu (Mercury) is weak/afflicted, it may not carry a disease related to it even if other related planets are afflicted. Of course, skin could have multiple types of diseases depending upon what all planets are involved. But, if it is a skin problem, the issue should be revolving around Mercury is my point. I raised this issue as Mercury was not even mentioned in Sanjay's first mail on the topic.Regards,KrishnaOn Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Nice name! I was just making some points when trying to understand disease in astro. Yes, disease is usually a multi planet project, it isnt so simple to point finger at one planet. There is the seed , or origin, and then it manifests and grows,in the right environment due to karma, it often changes and can become a multitude of external and internal " symptoms " . Many think the origin of most DIS EASE begins with the mind. Thats the value of ayurveda combined with astro, to determine where the intrinsic weak parts are, where are the imbalances,etc.Then perform remedies, change diet etc. In regards to Leucoderma, im pretty sure I read in Jaimini Sutras that Venus is connected to it. Why? I dont know, except Venus plays a role with hormones,lymph, rejuvenation( or lack thereof) But Venus by itself isnt going to be the sole planet involved. Im saying Venus must be at the root of it. Most diseases end up involving many parts of the body. Hope you understand my point. One " symptom " of lupus is a rash on the cheeks. One symptom of chicken pox is a rash. One indication of AIDS is a distinct type of skin cancer. So where are we going to look for the basis of these disease? Not at the skin, it is just one of many " symptoms " . Planets, signs and houses, have multiple karaka . Hopefully you understand what i was getting at. Best wishes Lakshmi Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58sohamsa Friday, August 28, 2009 8:24:56 PMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Lakshmi, I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey. Did you want to say: - It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or - It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and Venus Please clarify. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved. When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body. Many skin problems are the result of " body chemistry " out of wack. Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues. Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue. Bottom line Many of these things overlap ( i mean karaka wise) Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it? So I see it all as inter related. See primary issue, and then secondary issue. In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause. Best wishes Lakshmi Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .com Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Sanjay, Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus. Interestingly, Dr. Charak in his book on " Essentials of Medical Astrology " puts leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better. Comments welcome. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Krishna, Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue). But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's house.In another sense Vayu tattva is " Sense object " for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions. Warm Regards,Sanjay P 2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Dear Sanjayji, Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? Regards, Krishna On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jani, Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu. We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy, Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi. Warm RegardsSanjay P2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani >>> >> Birth details of one my relative are follows. >> DOB 14/7/1972> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> Time: 20:20 Hrs>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.>> M H Jani Natal Chart July 14, 1972 Time: 20:20:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 72 E 55' 00 " , 20 N 51' 00 " Navsari, India Altitude: 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Ashadha Tithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve) Nakshatra: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left) Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise: 6:05:28Sunset: 19:22:37 Janma Ghatis: 35.6057Ayanamsa: 23-28-21.04 Sidereal Time: 15:11:56Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp TaSun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46 " Puna 3 Ge Ge Moon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26 " PPha 1 Le LeMars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95 " Push 4 Cn Sc Mercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10 " Asre 3 Cn AqJupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92 " Mool 3 Sg Ge Venus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28 " Mrig 1 Ta LeSaturn - PiK 21 Ta 58' 15.19 " Rohi 4 Ta CnRahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08 " USha 2 Cp Cp Ketu 2 Cn 48' 03.08 " Puna 4 Cn CnMaandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18 " Bhar 2 Ar Vi Gulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59 " Aswi 3 Ar GeBhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21 " Dhan 3 Aq Li Hora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28 " UPha 3 Vi AqGhati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq Vighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48 " Rohi 1 Ta ArVarnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr 3 Ge Ar Sree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24 " Aswi 4 Ar CnPranapada Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80 " Hast 1 Vi Ar Indu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26 " Hast 2 Vi TaBhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17 " Bhar 4 Ar ScDhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46 " Anu 3 Sc Li Vyatipata 17 Le 53' 43.54 " PPha 2 Le ViParivesha 17 Aq 53' 43.54 " Sata 4 Aq Pi Indra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46 " Rohi 1 Ta ArUpaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46 " Mrig 2 Ta Vi Kaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04 " Mrig 3 Ge LiMrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34 " Srav 1 Cp Ar Artha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48 " Dhan 3 Aq LiYama Ghantaka 28 Aq 41' 23.20 " PBha 3 Aq GePrana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14 " Reva 2 Pi Cp Deha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71 " Bhar 2 Ar ViMrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61 " PPha 3 Le Li Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45 " UPha 2 Vi CpTriSphuta 8 Ge 51' 28.97 " Ardr 1 Ge Sg ChatusSphuta 7 Vi 37' 45.43 " UPha 4 Vi PiPanchaSphuta 10 Ge 25' 48.50 " Ardr 2 Ge Cp V2 14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast 2 Vi TaV3 14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat 3 Li LeV4 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp Vi V5 14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata 3 Aq SgV6 14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi 2 Ta Ta V7 14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr 3 Ge ArV8 14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast 2 Vi Ta V9 14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat 3 Li SgV10 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp Vi V11 14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata 3 Aq LeV12 14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi 2 Ta Ta Kunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81 " Krit 4 Ta Pi+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + | |Md Gk |Ve Sa |Su GL || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | | | |Ma Me || | |Ke | | | | || | | || | | | |----------- | Rasi |----------- ||As Ra | |Mo || | | | | | | || | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | |JuR | | |HL AL || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +| | |As |Su JuR | | | | |Gk || | | | | | | | | || | | | | |----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- ||Me HL | |Sa Ke | |GL | | || | | || | | | | | Navamsa | ||----------- | |----------- | |Ra | D-9 |Mo Ve || | |AL | | | | || | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | | |Ma | |Md || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + Vimsottari Dasa (): Ven Ven 1967-10-10 Sun 1971-02-05 Moon 1972-02-05 Mars 1973-10-09 Rah 1974-12-08 Jup 1977-12-08 Sat 1980-08-08 Merc 1983-10-10 Ket 1986-08-09 Sun Sun 1987-10-10 Moon 1988-01-25 Mars 1988-07-27 Rah 1988-12-02 Jup 1989-10-27 Sat 1990-08-15 Merc 1991-07-28 Ket 1992-05-31 Ven 1992-10-09 Moon Moon 1993-10-09 Mars 1994-08-09 Rah 1995-03-07 Jup 1996-09-09 Sat 1998-01-07 Merc 1999-08-09 Ket 2001-01-06 Ven 2001-08-09 Sun 2003-04-06 Mars Mars 2003-10-10 Rah 2004-03-03 Jup 2005-03-22 Sat 2006-02-26 Merc 2007-04-06 Ket 2008-04-03 Ven 2008-09-02 Sun 2009-11-03 Moon 2010-03-07 Rah Rah 2010-10-10 Jup 2013-06-19 Sat 2015-11-15 Merc 2018-09-21 Ket 2021-04-06 Ven 2022-04-25 Sun 2025-04-24 Moon 2026-03-19 Mars 2027-09-22 Jup Jup 2028-10-09 Sat 2030-11-27 Merc 2033-06-07 Ket 2035-09-16 Ven 2036-08-21 Sun 2039-04-19 Moon 2040-02-06 Mars 2041-06-07 Rah 2042-05-13 Sat Sat 2044-10-09 Merc 2047-10-13 Ket 2050-06-20 Ven 2051-07-31 Sun 2054-10-01 Moon 2055-09-13 Mars 2057-04-09 Rah 2058-05-20 Jup 2061-03-25 Merc Merc 2063-10-10 Ket 2066-03-04 Ven 2067-03-02 Sun 2070-01-01 Moon 2070-11-09 Mars 2072-04-06 Rah 2073-04-03 Jup 2075-10-25 Sat 2078-01-28 Ket Ket 2080-10-10 Ven 2081-03-04 Sun 2082-05-04 Moon 2082-09-13 Mars 2083-04-10 Rah 2083-09-10 Jup 2084-09-28 Sat 2085-09-03 Merc 2086-10-13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Om Gurave NamahDear Lakshmi and Krishnamurthy, namaste(two wonderful names indeed :)Your discussion made me think over some examples of "root cause" and manifestation of disease. Celiac syndrome (gluten allergy)-main symptom is located on intestine.Asthma - lungsVitiligo-skinAll above mentioned belongs to group of autoimmune diseases (most of opinions at least agree on this being main factor). Last info I got related to this type of diseases was that nodes should signify this disorder (what do you think?). Number and variety of autoimmune disorders is growing more and more each day (there is opinion that vaccines are root cause for this "global epidemic"), so my question is: how to make difference between root cause and obvious symptom in chart?I have chart examples for all 3 mentioned. Would you join me to go through them together? Warm Regards to both,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote:Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problemsohamsa Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 9:51 PM Dear Lakshmi,Yours is a good name too :-)Thanks for taking time to explain and clarify my question.OK, I understand your view point now. Your point is - Venus is the primary cause for leucoderma. And, you also agree that we should look beyond Venus to confirm the disease. Fair enough. Thanks for expressing your views. My logic was that unless the dhatu (Mercury) is weak/afflicted, it may not carry a disease related to it even if other related planets are afflicted. Of course, skin could have multiple types of diseases depending upon what all planets are involved. But, if it is a skin problem, the issue should be revolving around Mercury is my point. I raised this issue as Mercury was not even mentioned in Sanjay's first mail on the topic.Regards,KrishnaOn Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Nice name! I was just making some points when trying to understand disease in astro. Yes, disease is usually a multi planet project, it isnt so simple to point finger at one planet. There is the seed , or origin, and then it manifests and grows,in the right environment due to karma, it often changes and can become a multitude of external and internal "symptoms". Many think the origin of most DIS EASE begins with the mind. Thats the value of ayurveda combined with astro, to determine where the intrinsic weak parts are, where are the imbalances,etc. Then perform remedies, change diet etc. In regards to Leucoderma, im pretty sure I read in Jaimini Sutras that Venus is connected to it. Why? I dont know, except Venus plays a role with hormones,lymph, rejuvenation( or lack thereof) But Venus by itself isnt going to be the sole planet involved. Im saying Venus must be at the root of it. Most diseases end up involving many parts of the body. Hope you understand my point. One "symptom" of lupus is a rash on the cheeks. One symptom of chicken pox is a rash. One indication of AIDS is a distinct type of skin cancer. So where are we going to look for the basis of these disease? Not at the skin, it is just one of many "symptoms". Planets, signs and houses, have multiple karaka . Hopefully you understand what i was getting at. Best wishes Lakshmi Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .com Friday, August 28, 2009 8:24:56 PMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Lakshmi, I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey. Did you want to say: - It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or - It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and Venus Please clarify. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved. When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body. Many skin problems are the result of "body chemistry" out of wack. Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues. Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue. Bottom line Many of these things overlap ( i mean karaka wise) Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it? So I see it all as inter related. See primary issue, and then secondary issue. In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause. Best wishes Lakshmi Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .com Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Sanjay, Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus. Interestingly, Dr. Charak in his book on "Essentials of Medical Astrology" puts leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better. Comments welcome. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Krishna, Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue). But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's house.In another sense Vayu tattva is "Sense object" for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions. Warm Regards,Sanjay P 2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Dear Sanjayji, Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? Regards, Krishna On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jani, Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu. We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy, Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi. Warm RegardsSanjay P2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani >>> >> Birth details of one my relative are follows. >> DOB 14/7/1972> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> Time: 20:20 Hrs>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.>> M H Jani Natal Chart July 14, 1972 Time: 20:20:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 72 E 55' 00", 20 N 51' 00" Navsari, India Altitude: 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Ashadha Tithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve) Nakshatra: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left) Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise: 6:05:28Sunset: 19:22:37 Janma Ghatis: 35.6057Ayanamsa: 23-28-21.04 Sidereal Time: 15:11:56Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp TaSun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46" Puna 3 Ge Ge Moon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26" PPha 1 Le LeMars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95" Push 4 Cn Sc Mercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10" Asre 3 Cn AqJupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92" Mool 3 Sg Ge Venus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28" Mrig 1 Ta LeSaturn - PiK 21 Ta 58' 15.19" Rohi 4 Ta CnRahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08" USha 2 Cp Cp Ketu 2 Cn 48' 03.08" Puna 4 Cn CnMaandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18" Bhar 2 Ar Vi Gulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59" Aswi 3 Ar GeBhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21" Dhan 3 Aq Li Hora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28" UPha 3 Vi AqGhati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48" Ardr 3 Ge Aq Vighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48" Rohi 1 Ta ArVarnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge Ar Sree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24" Aswi 4 Ar CnPranapada Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80" Hast 1 Vi Ar Indu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26" Hast 2 Vi TaBhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17" Bhar 4 Ar ScDhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46" Anu 3 Sc Li Vyatipata 17 Le 53' 43.54" PPha 2 Le ViParivesha 17 Aq 53' 43.54" Sata 4 Aq Pi Indra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46" Rohi 1 Ta ArUpaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46" Mrig 2 Ta Vi Kaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04" Mrig 3 Ge LiMrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34" Srav 1 Cp Ar Artha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48" Dhan 3 Aq LiYama Ghantaka 28 Aq 41' 23.20" PBha 3 Aq GePrana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14" Reva 2 Pi Cp Deha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71" Bhar 2 Ar ViMrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61" PPha 3 Le Li Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45" UPha 2 Vi CpTriSphuta 8 Ge 51' 28.97" Ardr 1 Ge Sg ChatusSphuta 7 Vi 37' 45.43" UPha 4 Vi PiPanchaSphuta 10 Ge 25' 48.50" Ardr 2 Ge Cp V2 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi TaV3 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li LeV4 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Vi V5 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq SgV6 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta Ta V7 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge ArV8 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi Ta V9 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li SgV10 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Vi V11 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq LeV12 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta Ta Kunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81" Krit 4 Ta Pi+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + | |Md Gk |Ve Sa |Su GL || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | | | |Ma Me || | |Ke | | | | || | | || | | | |----------- | Rasi |----------- ||As Ra | |Mo || | | | | | | || | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | |JuR | | |HL AL || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +| | |As |Su JuR | | | | |Gk || | | | | | | | | || | | | | |----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- ||Me HL | |Sa Ke | |GL | | || | | || | | | | | Navamsa | ||----------- | |----------- | |Ra | D-9 |Mo Ve || | |AL | | | | || | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | | |Ma | |Md || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + Vimsottari Dasa (): Ven Ven 1967-10-10 Sun 1971-02-05 Moon 1972-02-05 Mars 1973-10-09 Rah 1974-12-08 Jup 1977-12-08 Sat 1980-08-08 Merc 1983-10-10 Ket 1986-08-09 Sun Sun 1987-10-10 Moon 1988-01-25 Mars 1988-07-27 Rah 1988-12-02 Jup 1989-10-27 Sat 1990-08-15 Merc 1991-07-28 Ket 1992-05-31 Ven 1992-10-09 Moon Moon 1993-10-09 Mars 1994-08-09 Rah 1995-03-07 Jup 1996-09-09 Sat 1998-01-07 Merc 1999-08-09 Ket 2001-01-06 Ven 2001-08-09 Sun 2003-04-06 Mars Mars 2003-10-10 Rah 2004-03-03 Jup 2005-03-22 Sat 2006-02-26 Merc 2007-04-06 Ket 2008-04-03 Ven 2008-09-02 Sun 2009-11-03 Moon 2010-03-07 Rah Rah 2010-10-10 Jup 2013-06-19 Sat 2015-11-15 Merc 2018-09-21 Ket 2021-04-06 Ven 2022-04-25 Sun 2025-04-24 Moon 2026-03-19 Mars 2027-09-22 Jup Jup 2028-10-09 Sat 2030-11-27 Merc 2033-06-07 Ket 2035-09-16 Ven 2036-08-21 Sun 2039-04-19 Moon 2040-02-06 Mars 2041-06-07 Rah 2042-05-13 Sat Sat 2044-10-09 Merc 2047-10-13 Ket 2050-06-20 Ven 2051-07-31 Sun 2054-10-01 Moon 2055-09-13 Mars 2057-04-09 Rah 2058-05-20 Jup 2061-03-25 Merc Merc 2063-10-10 Ket 2066-03-04 Ven 2067-03-02 Sun 2070-01-01 Moon 2070-11-09 Mars 2072-04-06 Rah 2073-04-03 Jup 2075-10-25 Sat 2078-01-28 Ket Ket 2080-10-10 Ven 2081-03-04 Sun 2082-05-04 Moon 2082-09-13 Mars 2083-04-10 Rah 2083-09-10 Jup 2084-09-28 Sat 2085-09-03 Merc 2086-10-13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Dear Maja,Another good name :-)You are correct that in case of autoimmune diseases the nodes play an important role. In fact, I have already documented that Rahu plays an important role in Juvenile Diabetes which is again caused due to autoimmune reaction. Though I don't have much exposure on all the three diseases that you have mentioned, it would be interesting to study them from autoimmune angle.Regards,Krishna On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro wrote:  Om Gurave NamahDear Lakshmi and Krishnamurthy, namaste(two wonderful names indeed Your discussion made me think over some examples of " root cause " and manifestation of disease. Celiac syndrome (gluten allergy)-main symptom is located on intestine.Asthma - lungsVitiligo-skin All above mentioned belongs to group of autoimmune diseases (most of opinions at least agree on this being main factor). Last info I got related to this type of diseases was that nodes should signify this disorder (what do you think?). Number and variety of autoimmune disorders is growing more and more each day (there is opinion that vaccines are root cause for this " global epidemic " ), so my question is: how to make difference between root cause and obvious symptom in chart? I have chart examples for all 3 mentioned. Would you join me to go through them together? Warm Regards to both,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problemsohamsa Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 9:51 PM  Dear Lakshmi,Yours is a good name too :-)Thanks for taking time to explain and clarify my question.OK, I understand your view point now. Your point is - Venus is the primary cause for leucoderma. And, you also agree that we should look beyond Venus to confirm the disease. Fair enough. Thanks for expressing your views. My logic was that unless the dhatu (Mercury) is weak/afflicted, it may not carry a disease related to it even if other related planets are afflicted. Of course, skin could have multiple types of diseases depending upon what all planets are involved. But, if it is a skin problem, the issue should be revolving around Mercury is my point. I raised this issue as Mercury was not even mentioned in Sanjay's first mail on the topic.Regards,KrishnaOn Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:  Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Nice name!  I was just making some points when trying to understand disease in astro.  Yes, disease is usually a multi planet project, it isnt so simple to point finger at one planet.  There is the seed , or origin,  and then it manifests and grows,in the right environment due to karma, it often changes and can become a multitude of external and internal " symptoms " . Many think the origin of most DIS EASE begins with the mind.  Thats the value of ayurveda combined with astro, to determine where the intrinsic weak parts are,  where are the imbalances,etc. Then perform remedies, change diet etc. In regards to Leucoderma, im pretty sure I read in Jaimini Sutras that Venus is connected to it. Why? I dont know, except Venus plays a role with hormones,lymph, rejuvenation( or lack thereof) But Venus by itself isnt going to be the sole planet involved.  Im saying Venus must be at the root of it.  Most diseases end up involving many parts of the body. Hope you understand my point. One " symptom " of lupus is a rash on the cheeks. One symptom of chicken pox is a rash. One indication of AIDS is a distinct type of skin cancer. So where are we going to look for the basis of these disease? Not at the skin, it is just one of many " symptoms " . Planets, signs and houses, have multiple karaka . Hopefully you understand what i was getting at. Best wishes Lakshmi     Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .com Friday, August 28, 2009 8:24:56 PMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem  Dear Lakshmi, I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey. Did you want to say: - It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or - It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and Venus Please clarify. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:  Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved. When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body.  Many skin problems are the result of " body chemistry " out of wack. Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues. Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue.  Bottom line Many of these things overlap ( i mean karaka wise)  Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it? So I see it all as inter related. See primary issue, and then secondary issue. In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause. Best wishes Lakshmi    Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .com Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem  Dear Sanjay, Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus. Interestingly, Dr. Charak in his book on " Essentials of Medical Astrology " puts  leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out  leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better. Comments welcome. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote:  || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Krishna, Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue). But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's house.In another sense Vayu tattva is " Sense object " for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions. Warm Regards,Sanjay P 2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Dear Sanjayji, Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? Regards, Krishna On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote:  || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jani, Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu. We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy, Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi. Warm RegardsSanjay P2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani >>>  >> Birth details of one my relative are follows. >> DOB 14/7/1972> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> Time: 20:20 Hrs>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.>> M H Jani Natal Chart     July 14, 1972 Time:      20:20:00Time Zone:   5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place:     72 E 55' 00 " , 20 N 51' 00 "        Navsari, India Altitude:    0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo:  Paridhavi - Ashadha Tithi:     Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve) Nakshatra:   Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)Yoga:      Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left) Karana:     Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)Hora Lord:   Venus (5 min sign: Cn) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)Kaala Lord:   Mars (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise:    6:05:28Sunset:     19:22:37 Janma Ghatis:  35.6057Ayanamsa:    23-28-21.04 Sidereal Time: 15:11:56Body         Longitude     Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna        14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav    2   Cp  TaSun - AK       28 Ge 46' 16.46 " Puna    3   Ge  Ge Moon - GK      16 Le 30' 41.26 " PPha    1   Le  LeMars - PK      16 Cn 39' 20.95 " Push    4   Cn  Sc Mercury - MK     24 Cn 45' 21.10 " Asre    3   Cn  AqJupiter ® - DK   7 Sg 33' 17.92 " Mool    3   Sg  Ge Venus - BK      25 Ta 10' 43.28 " Mrig    1   Ta  LeSaturn - PiK     21 Ta 58' 15.19 " Rohi    4   Ta  CnRahu - AmK      2 Cp 48' 03.08 " USha    2   Cp  Cp Ketu         2 Cn 48' 03.08 " Puna    4   Cn  CnMaandi        19 Ar 25' 49.18 " Bhar    2   Ar  Vi Gulika        7 Ar 26' 28.59 " Aswi    3   Ar  GeBhava Lagna      1 Aq 50' 22.21 " Dhan    3   Aq  Li Hora Lagna      5 Vi 28' 25.28 " UPha    3   Vi  AqGhati Lagna     16 Ge 22' 34.48 " Ardr    3   Ge  Aq Vighati Lagna    10 Ta 53' 20.48 " Rohi    1   Ta  ArVarnada Lagna    14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr    3   Ge  Ar Sree Lagna      10 Ar 42' 53.24 " Aswi    4   Ar  CnPranapada Lagna   11 Vi 27' 17.80 " Hast    1   Vi  Ar Indu Lagna      16 Vi 30' 41.26 " Hast    2   Vi  TaBhrigu Bindu     24 Ar 39' 22.17 " Bhar    4   Ar  ScDhooma        12 Sc 06' 16.46 " Anu    3   Sc  Li Vyatipata      17 Le 53' 43.54 " PPha    2   Le  ViParivesha      17 Aq 53' 43.54 " Sata    4   Aq  Pi Indra Chapa     12 Ta 06' 16.46 " Rohi    1   Ta  ArUpaketu       28 Ta 46' 16.46 " Mrig    2   Ta  Vi Kaala         1 Ge 04' 56.04 " Mrig    3   Ge  LiMrityu        10 Cp 12' 36.34 " Srav    1   Cp  Ar Artha Prahara     3 Aq 14' 51.48 " Dhan    3   Aq  LiYama Ghantaka    28 Aq 41' 23.20 " PBha    3   Aq  GePrana Sphuta     21 Pi 58' 04.14 " Reva    2   Pi  Cp Deha Sphuta     19 Ar 31' 58.71 " Bhar    2   Ar  ViMrityu Sphuta    20 Le 51' 36.61 " PPha    3   Le  Li Sookshma TriSphuta  2 Vi 21' 39.45 " UPha    2   Vi  CpTriSphuta       8 Ge 51' 28.97 " Ardr    1   Ge  Sg ChatusSphuta     7 Vi 37' 45.43 " UPha    4   Vi  PiPanchaSphuta     10 Ge 25' 48.50 " Ardr    2   Ge  Cp V2          14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast    2   Vi  TaV3          14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat    3   Li  LeV4          14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav    2   Cp  Vi V5          14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata    3   Aq  SgV6          14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi    2   Ta  Ta V7          14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr    3   Ge  ArV8          14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast    2   Vi  Ta V9          14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat    3   Li  SgV10         14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav    2   Cp  Vi V11         14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata    3   Aq  LeV12         14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi    2   Ta  Ta Kunda         7 Ta 19' 47.81 " Krit    4   Ta  Pi+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + |      |Md  Gk   |Ve  Sa   |Su  GL   ||      |      |      |      | |      |      |      |      ||      |      |      |      | |      |      |      |      ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | |      |            |Ma  Me   ||      |            |Ke     | |      |            |      ||      |            |      ||      |            |      | |----------- |     Rasi      |----------- ||As  Ra   |            |Mo     ||      |            |      | |      |            |      ||      |            |      | |      |            |      ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | |JuR     |      |      |HL  AL   ||      |      |      |      | |      |      |      |      ||      |      |      |      | |      |      | 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Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Om Gurave NamahDear Krishnamurthy, namaste(Heh, got me! I forgot origin of my name for a moment. This is Hebrew for "water" also :)For a start, here is Celiac disorder native:DOB: 25th of April 1975TOB: 01:44 AMPOB: 20 E 30, 44 N 50 Time zone is 01h East of GMTYou should get Makara lagna in Rasi chart and Kark lagna in Navamsa. Now tell me honestly, would you ever say that this native is suffering serious problems with digestion after quick peek on her chart (native is female)? I would never guess without knowing it in advance. I would probably bet on Sukra related issues (ovaries for example) because it is joined with badhakesh. Yet true, Rahu is in Badhakstan, so this could include a.i. disorders. In parivartana with Mangal... would you take this Mangal in consideration for agni7digestion?Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote:Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problemsohamsa Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 7:46 AM Dear Maja,Another good name :-)You are correct that in case of autoimmune diseases the nodes play an important role. In fact, I have already documented that Rahu plays an important role in Juvenile Diabetes which is again caused due to autoimmune reaction. Though I don't have much exposure on all the three diseases that you have mentioned, it would be interesting to study them from autoimmune angle.Regards,Krishna On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Lakshmi and Krishnamurthy, namaste(two wonderful names indeed Your discussion made me think over some examples of "root cause" and manifestation of disease. Celiac syndrome (gluten allergy)-main symptom is located on intestine.Asthma - lungsVitiligo-skin All above mentioned belongs to group of autoimmune diseases (most of opinions at least agree on this being main factor). Last info I got related to this type of diseases was that nodes should signify this disorder (what do you think?). Number and variety of autoimmune disorders is growing more and more each day (there is opinion that vaccines are root cause for this "global epidemic"), so my question is: how to make difference between root cause and obvious symptom in chart? I have chart examples for all 3 mentioned. Would you join me to go through them together? Warm Regards to both,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problemsohamsa@ .comFriday, August 28, 2009, 9:51 PM Dear Lakshmi,Yours is a good name too :-)Thanks for taking time to explain and clarify my question.OK, I understand your view point now. Your point is - Venus is the primary cause for leucoderma. And, you also agree that we should look beyond Venus to confirm the disease. Fair enough. Thanks for expressing your views. My logic was that unless the dhatu (Mercury) is weak/afflicted, it may not carry a disease related to it even if other related planets are afflicted. Of course, skin could have multiple types of diseases depending upon what all planets are involved. But, if it is a skin problem, the issue should be revolving around Mercury is my point. I raised this issue as Mercury was not even mentioned in Sanjay's first mail on the topic.Regards,KrishnaOn Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Nice name! I was just making some points when trying to understand disease in astro. Yes, disease is usually a multi planet project, it isnt so simple to point finger at one planet. There is the seed , or origin, and then it manifests and grows,in the right environment due to karma, it often changes and can become a multitude of external and internal "symptoms". Many think the origin of most DIS EASE begins with the mind. Thats the value of ayurveda combined with astro, to determine where the intrinsic weak parts are, where are the imbalances,etc. Then perform remedies, change diet etc. In regards to Leucoderma, im pretty sure I read in Jaimini Sutras that Venus is connected to it. Why? I dont know, except Venus plays a role with hormones,lymph, rejuvenation( or lack thereof) But Venus by itself isnt going to be the sole planet involved. Im saying Venus must be at the root of it. Most diseases end up involving many parts of the body. Hope you understand my point. One "symptom" of lupus is a rash on the cheeks. One symptom of chicken pox is a rash. One indication of AIDS is a distinct type of skin cancer. So where are we going to look for the basis of these disease? Not at the skin, it is just one of many "symptoms". Planets, signs and houses, have multiple karaka . Hopefully you understand what i was getting at. Best wishes Lakshmi Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .com Friday, August 28, 2009 8:24:56 PMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Lakshmi, I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey. Did you want to say: - It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or - It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and Venus Please clarify. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved. When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body. Many skin problems are the result of "body chemistry" out of wack. Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues. Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue. Bottom line Many of these things overlap ( i mean karaka wise) Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it? So I see it all as inter related. See primary issue, and then secondary issue. In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause. Best wishes Lakshmi Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .com Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Sanjay, Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus. Interestingly, Dr. Charak in his book on "Essentials of Medical Astrology" puts leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better. Comments welcome. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Krishna, Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue). But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's house.In another sense Vayu tattva is "Sense object" for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions. Warm Regards,Sanjay P 2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Dear Sanjayji, Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? Regards, Krishna On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jani, Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu. We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy, Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi. Warm RegardsSanjay P2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani >>> >> Birth details of one my relative are follows. >> DOB 14/7/1972> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> Time: 20:20 Hrs>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.>> M H Jani Natal Chart July 14, 1972 Time: 20:20:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 72 E 55' 00", 20 N 51' 00" Navsari, India Altitude: 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Ashadha Tithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve) Nakshatra: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left) Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise: 6:05:28Sunset: 19:22:37 Janma Ghatis: 35.6057Ayanamsa: 23-28-21.04 Sidereal Time: 15:11:56Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp TaSun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46" Puna 3 Ge Ge Moon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26" PPha 1 Le LeMars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95" Push 4 Cn Sc Mercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10" Asre 3 Cn AqJupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92" Mool 3 Sg Ge Venus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28" Mrig 1 Ta LeSaturn - PiK 21 Ta 58' 15.19" Rohi 4 Ta CnRahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08" USha 2 Cp Cp Ketu 2 Cn 48' 03.08" Puna 4 Cn CnMaandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18" Bhar 2 Ar Vi Gulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59" Aswi 3 Ar GeBhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21" Dhan 3 Aq Li Hora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28" UPha 3 Vi AqGhati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48" Ardr 3 Ge Aq Vighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48" Rohi 1 Ta ArVarnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge Ar Sree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24" Aswi 4 Ar CnPranapada Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80" Hast 1 Vi Ar Indu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26" Hast 2 Vi TaBhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17" Bhar 4 Ar ScDhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46" Anu 3 Sc Li Vyatipata 17 Le 53' 43.54" PPha 2 Le ViParivesha 17 Aq 53' 43.54" Sata 4 Aq Pi Indra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46" Rohi 1 Ta ArUpaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46" Mrig 2 Ta Vi Kaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04" Mrig 3 Ge LiMrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34" Srav 1 Cp Ar Artha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48" Dhan 3 Aq LiYama Ghantaka 28 Aq 41' 23.20" PBha 3 Aq GePrana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14" Reva 2 Pi Cp Deha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71" Bhar 2 Ar ViMrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61" PPha 3 Le Li Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45" UPha 2 Vi CpTriSphuta 8 Ge 51' 28.97" Ardr 1 Ge Sg ChatusSphuta 7 Vi 37' 45.43" UPha 4 Vi PiPanchaSphuta 10 Ge 25' 48.50" Ardr 2 Ge Cp V2 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi TaV3 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li LeV4 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Vi V5 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq SgV6 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta Ta V7 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge ArV8 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi Ta V9 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li SgV10 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Vi V11 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq LeV12 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta Ta Kunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81" Krit 4 Ta Pi+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + | |Md Gk |Ve Sa |Su GL || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | | | |Ma Me || | |Ke | | | | || | | || | | | |----------- | Rasi |----------- ||As Ra | |Mo || | | | | | | || | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | |JuR | | |HL AL || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +| | |As |Su JuR | | | | |Gk || | | | | | | | | || | | | | |----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- ||Me HL | |Sa Ke | |GL | | || | | || | | | | | Navamsa | ||----------- | |----------- | |Ra | D-9 |Mo Ve || | |AL | | | | || | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | | |Ma | |Md || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + Vimsottari Dasa (): Ven Ven 1967-10-10 Sun 1971-02-05 Moon 1972-02-05 Mars 1973-10-09 Rah 1974-12-08 Jup 1977-12-08 Sat 1980-08-08 Merc 1983-10-10 Ket 1986-08-09 Sun Sun 1987-10-10 Moon 1988-01-25 Mars 1988-07-27 Rah 1988-12-02 Jup 1989-10-27 Sat 1990-08-15 Merc 1991-07-28 Ket 1992-05-31 Ven 1992-10-09 Moon Moon 1993-10-09 Mars 1994-08-09 Rah 1995-03-07 Jup 1996-09-09 Sat 1998-01-07 Merc 1999-08-09 Ket 2001-01-06 Ven 2001-08-09 Sun 2003-04-06 Mars Mars 2003-10-10 Rah 2004-03-03 Jup 2005-03-22 Sat 2006-02-26 Merc 2007-04-06 Ket 2008-04-03 Ven 2008-09-02 Sun 2009-11-03 Moon 2010-03-07 Rah Rah 2010-10-10 Jup 2013-06-19 Sat 2015-11-15 Merc 2018-09-21 Ket 2021-04-06 Ven 2022-04-25 Sun 2025-04-24 Moon 2026-03-19 Mars 2027-09-22 Jup Jup 2028-10-09 Sat 2030-11-27 Merc 2033-06-07 Ket 2035-09-16 Ven 2036-08-21 Sun 2039-04-19 Moon 2040-02-06 Mars 2041-06-07 Rah 2042-05-13 Sat Sat 2044-10-09 Merc 2047-10-13 Ket 2050-06-20 Ven 2051-07-31 Sun 2054-10-01 Moon 2055-09-13 Mars 2057-04-09 Rah 2058-05-20 Jup 2061-03-25 Merc Merc 2063-10-10 Ket 2066-03-04 Ven 2067-03-02 Sun 2070-01-01 Moon 2070-11-09 Mars 2072-04-06 Rah 2073-04-03 Jup 2075-10-25 Sat 2078-01-28 Ket Ket 2080-10-10 Ven 2081-03-04 Sun 2082-05-04 Moon 2082-09-13 Mars 2083-04-10 Rah 2083-09-10 Jup 2084-09-28 Sat 2085-09-03 Merc 2086-10-13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 om namo bhagavate narasimhaya Dear Maja Before I have drawn this I suspected nodes in 2/7 from AL and this was the fact. Stomach/digestion issues. Regards Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru -------------- Consultations & Pages http://rohinaa.com rafal Maja Å trbac pisze:  Om Gurave Namah Dear Krishnamurthy, namaste (Heh, got me! I forgot origin of my name for a moment. This is Hebrew for "water" also For a start, here is Celiac disorder native: DOB: 25th of April 1975 TOB: 01:44 AM POB: 20 E 30, 44 N 50 Time zone is 01h East of GMT You should get Makara lagna in Rasi chart and Kark lagna in Navamsa. Now tell me honestly, would you ever say that this native is suffering serious problems with digestion after quick peek on her chart (native is female)? I would never guess without knowing it in advance. I would probably bet on Sukra related issues (ovaries for example) because it is joined with badhakesh. Yet true, Rahu is in Badhakstan, so this could include a.i. disorders. In parivartana with Mangal... would you take this Mangal in consideration for agni7digestion? Warm Regards, Maja Strbac Hari Om Tat Sat --- On Sun, 8/30/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 > wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 > Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem sohamsa Sunday, August 30, 2009, 7:46 AM  Dear Maja, Another good name :-) You are correct that in case of autoimmune diseases the nodes play an important role. In fact, I have already documented that Rahu plays an important role in Juvenile Diabetes which is again caused due to autoimmune reaction. Though I don't have much exposure on all the three diseases that you have mentioned, it would be interesting to study them from autoimmune angle. Regards, Krishna On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:  Om Gurave Namah Dear Lakshmi and Krishnamurthy, namaste (two wonderful names indeed Your discussion made me think over some examples of "root cause" and manifestation of disease. Celiac syndrome (gluten allergy)-main symptom is located on intestine. Asthma - lungs Vitiligo-skin All above mentioned belongs to group of autoimmune diseases (most of opinions at least agree on this being main factor). Last info I got related to this type of diseases was that nodes should signify this disorder (what do you think?). Number and variety of autoimmune disorders is growing more and more each day (there is opinion that vaccines are root cause for this "global epidemic"), so my question is: how to make difference between root cause and obvious symptom in chart? I have chart examples for all 3 mentioned. Would you join me to go through them together? Warm Regards to both, Maja Strbac Hari Om Tat Sat --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem sohamsa@ .com Friday, August 28, 2009, 9:51 PM  Dear Lakshmi, Yours is a good name too :-) Thanks for taking time to explain and clarify my question. OK, I understand your view point now. Your point is - Venus is the primary cause for leucoderma. And, you also agree that we should look beyond Venus to confirm the disease. Fair enough. Thanks for expressing your views. My logic was that unless the dhatu (Mercury) is weak/afflicted, it may not carry a disease related to it even if other related planets are afflicted. Of course, skin could have multiple types of diseases depending upon what all planets are involved. But, if it is a skin problem, the issue should be revolving around Mercury is my point. I raised this issue as Mercury was not even mentioned in Sanjay's first mail on the topic. Regards, Krishna On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:  Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Nice name!  I was just making some points when trying to understand disease in astro.  Yes, disease is usually a multi planet project, it isnt so simple to point finger at one planet.  There is the seed , or origin,  and then it manifests and grows,in the right environment due to karma, it often changes and can become a multitude of external and internal "symptoms". Many think the origin of most DIS EASE begins with the mind.  Thats the value of ayurveda combined with astro, to determine where the intrinsic weak parts are,  where are the imbalances,etc. Then perform remedies, change diet etc. In regards to Leucoderma, im pretty sure I read in Jaimini Sutras that Venus is connected to it. Why? I dont know, except Venus plays a role with hormones,lymph, rejuvenation( or lack thereof) But Venus by itself isnt going to be the sole planet involved.  Im saying Venus must be at the root of it.  Most diseases end up involving many parts of the body. Hope you understand my point. One "symptom" of lupus is a rash on the cheeks. One symptom of chicken pox is a rash. One indication of AIDS is a distinct type of skin cancer. So where are we going to look for the basis of these disease? Not at the skin, it is just one of many "symptoms". Planets, signs and houses, have multiple karaka . Hopefully you understand what i was getting at. Best wishes Lakshmi     Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> To: sohamsa@ ..com Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:24:56 PM Subject: Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem  Dear Lakshmi, I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey. Did you want to say: - It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or - It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and Venus Please clarify. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:  Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved. When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body.  Many skin problems are the result of "body chemistry" out of wack. Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues. Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue.  Bottom line Many of these things overlap ( i mean karaka wise)  Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it? So I see it all as inter related. See primary issue, and then secondary issue. In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause. Best wishes Lakshmi    Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> To: sohamsa@ ..com Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AM Subject: Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem  Dear Sanjay, Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus. Interestingly, Dr. Charak in his book on "Essentials of Medical Astrology" puts  leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out  leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better. Comments welcome. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote:  || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Krishna,  Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue). But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted. In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's house. In another sense Vayu tattva is "Sense object" for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions. Warm Regards, Sanjay P 2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Dear Sanjayji, Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? Regards, Krishna On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote:  || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Jani,  Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma. In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu. We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana. Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka. Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy, Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi. Warm Regards Sanjay P 2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani (AT) (DOT) com> > >  > > Birth details of one my relative are follows. > > DOB 14/7/1972 > Place: Navsari/Gujarat > Time: 20:20 Hrs > > Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice. > > M H Jani Natal Chart      July 14, 1972 Time:      20:20:00 Time Zone:   5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place:     72 E 55' 00", 20 N 51' 00"        Navsari, India Altitude:    0.00 meters Lunar Yr-Mo:  Paridhavi - Ashadha Tithi:     Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left) Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve) Nakshatra:   Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left) Yoga:      Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left) Karana:     Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left) Hora Lord:   Venus (5 min sign: Cn) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi) Kaala Lord:   Mars (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise:    6:05:28 Sunset:     19:22:37 Janma Ghatis:  35.6057 Ayanamsa:    23-28-21.04 Sidereal Time: 15:11:56 Body         Longitude     Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna        14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav    2   Cp  Ta Sun - AK       28 Ge 46' 16.46" Puna    3   Ge  Ge Moon - GK      16 Le 30' 41.26" PPha    1   Le  Le Mars - PK      16 Cn 39' 20.95" Push    4   Cn  Sc Mercury - MK     24 Cn 45' 21.10" Asre    3   Cn  Aq Jupiter ® - DK   7 Sg 33' 17.92" Mool    3   Sg  Ge Venus - BK      25 Ta 10' 43.28" Mrig    1   Ta  Le Saturn - PiK     21 Ta 58' 15.19" Rohi    4   Ta  Cn Rahu - AmK      2 Cp 48' 03.08" USha    2   Cp  Cp Ketu         2 Cn 48' 03.08" Puna    4   Cn  Cn Maandi        19 Ar 25' 49.18" Bhar    2   Ar  Vi Gulika        7 Ar 26' 28.59" Aswi    3   Ar  Ge Bhava Lagna      1 Aq 50' 22.21" Dhan    3   Aq  Li Hora Lagna      5 Vi 28' 25.28" UPha    3   Vi  Aq Ghati Lagna     16 Ge 22' 34.48" Ardr    3   Ge  Aq Vighati Lagna    10 Ta 53' 20.48" Rohi    1   Ta  Ar Varnada Lagna    14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr    3   Ge  Ar Sree Lagna      10 Ar 42' 53.24" Aswi    4   Ar  Cn Pranapada Lagna   11 Vi 27' 17.80" Hast    1   Vi  Ar Indu Lagna      16 Vi 30' 41.26" Hast    2   Vi  Ta Bhrigu Bindu     24 Ar 39' 22.17" Bhar    4   Ar  Sc Dhooma        12 Sc 06' 16.46" Anu    3   Sc  Li Vyatipata      17 Le 53' 43.54" PPha    2   Le  Vi Parivesha      17 Aq 53' 43.54" Sata    4   Aq  Pi Indra Chapa     12 Ta 06' 16.46" Rohi    1   Ta  Ar Upaketu       28 Ta 46' 16.46" Mrig    2   Ta  Vi Kaala         1 Ge 04' 56.04" Mrig    3   Ge  Li Mrityu        10 Cp 12' 36.34" Srav    1   Cp  Ar Artha Prahara     3 Aq 14' 51.48" Dhan    3   Aq  Li Yama Ghantaka    28 Aq 41' 23.20" PBha    3   Aq  Ge Prana Sphuta     21 Pi 58' 04.14" Reva    2   Pi  Cp Deha Sphuta     19 Ar 31' 58.71" Bhar    2   Ar  Vi Mrityu Sphuta    20 Le 51' 36.61" PPha    3   Le  Li Sookshma TriSphuta  2 Vi 21' 39.45" UPha    2   Vi  Cp TriSphuta       8 Ge 51' 28.97" Ardr    1   Ge  Sg ChatusSphuta     7 Vi 37' 45.43" UPha    4   Vi  Pi PanchaSphuta     10 Ge 25' 48.50" Ardr    2   Ge  Cp V2          14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast    2   Vi  Ta V3          14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat    3   Li  Le V4          14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav    2   Cp  Vi V5          14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata    3   Aq  Sg V6          14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi    2   Ta  Ta V7          14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr    3   Ge  Ar V8          14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast    2   Vi  Ta V9          14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat    3   Li  Sg V10         14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav    2   Cp  Vi V11         14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata    3   Aq  Le V12         14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi    2   Ta  Ta Kunda         7 Ta 19' 47.81" Krit    4   Ta  Pi +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + |      |Md  Gk   |Ve  Sa   |Su  GL   | |      |      |      |      | |      |      |      |      | |      |      |      |      | |      |      |      |      | |----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | |      |            |Ma  Me   | |      |            |Ke     | |      |            |      | |      |            |      | |      |            |      | |----------- |     Rasi      |----------- | |As  Ra   |            |Mo     | |      |            |      | |      |            |      | |      |            |      | |      |            |      | |----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | |JuR     |      |      |HL  AL   | |      |      |      |      | |      |      |      |      | |      |      |      |      | |      |      |      |      | +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + |      |      |As     |Su  JuR  | |      |      |      |Gk     | |      |      |      |      | |      |      |      |      | |      |      |      |      | |----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | |Me  HL   |            |Sa  Ke   | |GL     |            |      | |      |            |      | |      |            |      | |      |     Navamsa     |      | |----------- |            |----------- | |Ra     |      D-9      |Mo  Ve   | |      |            |AL     | |      |            |      | |      |            |      | |      |            |      | |----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | |      |Ma     |      |Md     | |      |      |      |      | |      |      |      |      | |      |      |      |      | |      |      |      |      | +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + Vimsottari Dasa (): Ven  Ven 1967-10-10  Sun 1971-02-05  Moon 1972-02-05    Mars 1973-10-09  Rah 1974-12-08  Jup 1977-12-08    Sat 1980-08-08  Merc 1983-10-10  Ket 1986-08-09  Sun  Sun 1987-10-10  Moon 1988-01-25  Mars 1988-07-27    Rah 1988-12-02  Jup 1989-10-27  Sat 1990-08-15    Merc 1991-07-28  Ket 1992-05-31  Ven 1992-10-09  Moon  Moon 1993-10-09  Mars 1994-08-09  Rah 1995-03-07     Jup 1996-09-09  Sat 1998-01-07  Merc 1999-08-09     Ket 2001-01-06  Ven 2001-08-09  Sun 2003-04-06  Mars  Mars 2003-10-10  Rah 2004-03-03  Jup 2005-03-22     Sat 2006-02-26  Merc 2007-04-06  Ket 2008-04-03     Ven 2008-09-02  Sun 2009-11-03  Moon 2010-03-07  Rah  Rah 2010-10-10  Jup 2013-06-19  Sat 2015-11-15    Merc 2018-09-21  Ket 2021-04-06  Ven 2022-04-25    Sun 2025-04-24  Moon 2026-03-19  Mars 2027-09-22  Jup  Jup 2028-10-09  Sat 2030-11-27  Merc 2033-06-07    Ket 2035-09-16  Ven 2036-08-21  Sun 2039-04-19    Moon 2040-02-06  Mars 2041-06-07  Rah 2042-05-13  Sat  Sat 2044-10-09  Merc 2047-10-13  Ket 2050-06-20    Ven 2051-07-31  Sun 2054-10-01  Moon 2055-09-13    Mars 2057-04-09  Rah 2058-05-20  Jup 2061-03-25  Merc  Merc 2063-10-10  Ket 2066-03-04  Ven 2067-03-02     Sun 2070-01-01  Moon 2070-11-09  Mars 2072-04-06     Rah 2073-04-03  Jup 2075-10-25  Sat 2078-01-28  Ket  Ket 2080-10-10  Ven 2081-03-04  Sun 2082-05-04    Moon 2082-09-13  Mars 2083-04-10  Rah 2083-09-10    Jup 2084-09-28  Sat 2085-09-03  Merc 2086-10-13   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Om Gurave NamahDear Tarun, namasteI enjoy reading your analysis very much (and I believe many other will also have benefit from reading it), so I will provide birth data for the case of Vitiligo I was having on my mind while writing previous emails:DOB: 08th of June 1980TOB 22:59 PMPOB: 20 E 30, 44 N 50Time zone 01h East of GMTMakara lagna, Simha Navamsa lagna.Reason why I wanted to add this chart, even though you gave two examples already, is following: this native is no longer having Vitiligo. What do you say?I will just add that Grahas mentioned in Leucoderma case few emails ago are conveniently placed in this chart in order to support few earlier given points.Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sun, 8/30/09, tarungarg <tarungarg wrote:tarungarg <tarungarg Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problemsohamsa Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 7:20 PM Respected Jyotishas I have the same problem also, Case 1 Dob: 30 Sept 1973, 15:51, kapurthala Punjab India Also I have been collecting the following kundlis of people who have the same problem Case 2 September 10, 1969 Time: 20:09:11 Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT) Place: 13 E 41' 00", 47 N 23' 00" Schladming, Austria Another one: Case 3 October 7, 1974 Time: 23:16:59 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 76 E 55' 00", 31 N 43' 00" Mandi, India The Common factor that I find in most cases is the association of Sa and Ketu with the 6th house of the Horoscope in Rasi or Navamsa. In the case below you can see that Sa and Ke are forming the Karatari on the 6th house. In my case they are conjoined in the 6th. In the case of Case 2 you can see that debilitated Sa is in the navamsa of Leo where Ketu is placed in Rasi chart. This native also has a very stable vitiligo and limited only to his face and private part. (The affliction is not very pronounced). The last native has the same story also however the 6th house is not involved ... the rasi of mercury is involved. Rest is upto other jyotishas. Tarun Garg sohamsa@ .com, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Lakshmi, > Yours is a good name too :-) > > Thanks for taking time to explain and clarify my question. > > OK, I understand your view point now. Your point is - Venus is the primary > cause for leucoderma. And, you also agree that we should look beyond Venus > to confirm the disease. Fair enough. Thanks for expressing your views. My > logic was that unless the dhatu (Mercury) is weak/afflicted, it may not > carry a disease related to it even if other related planets are afflicted. > Of course, skin could have multiple types of diseases depending upon what > all planets are involved. But, if it is a skin problem, the issue should be > revolving around Mercury is my point. > > I raised this issue as Mercury was not even mentioned in Sanjay's first mail > on the topic. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Krishnamurthy, > > Nice name! > > > > I was just making some points when trying to understand disease in astro. > > > > Yes, disease is usually a multi planet project, it isnt so simple to point > > finger at one planet. > > > > There is the seed , or origin, > > and then it manifests and grows,in the right environment due to karma, > > it often changes and can become a multitude of external and internal > > "symptoms". > > Many think the origin of most DIS EASE begins with the mind. > > > > Thats the value of ayurveda combined with astro, > > to determine where the intrinsic weak parts are, > > where are the imbalances,etc. Then perform remedies, change diet etc. > > In regards to Leucoderma, im pretty sure I read in Jaimini Sutras that > > Venus is connected to it. Why? I dont know, except Venus plays a role with > > hormones,lymph, rejuvenation( or lack thereof) > > But Venus by itself isnt going to be the sole planet involved. > > Im saying Venus must be at the root of it. > > > > Most diseases end up involving many parts of the body. > > Hope you understand my point. > > One "symptom" of lupus is a rash on the cheeks. > > One symptom of chicken pox is a rash. > > One indication of AIDS is a distinct type of skin cancer. > > So where are we going to look for the basis of these disease? > > Not at the skin, it is just one of many "symptoms". > > Planets, signs and houses, have multiple karaka . > > Hopefully you understand what i was getting at. > > Best wishes > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- > > ** Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ ...> > > *To:* sohamsa@ .com > > *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2009 8:24:56 PM > > > > *Subject:* Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey. > > > > Did you want to say: > > > > - It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or > > - It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and Venus > > > > Please clarify. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ <lakshmika ry > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Hare Rama Krishna > >> Dear Krishnamurthy, > >> Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and > >> hormones are involved. > >> When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with > >> regulating fluids in the whole or part of body. > >> > >> Many skin problems are the result of "body chemistry" out of wack. > >> Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues. > >> Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue. > >> > >> Bottom line Many of these things overlap > >> ( i mean karaka wise) > >> > >> Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition > >> attached to it? > >> So I see it all as inter related. > >> See primary issue, and then secondary issue. > >> In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to > >> correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or > >> be oblivious to underlying cause. > >> Best wishes > >> Lakshmi > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------ --------- --------- > >> ** Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com<kmurthys58@ ...> > >> > > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa@ .com> > >> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AM > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem > >> > >> > >> > >> Dear Sanjay, > >> > >> Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be > >> reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents > >> the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not > >> show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in > >> both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears > >> that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could > >> add your argument about Venus. > >> > >> Interestingly, Dr. Charak in his book on "Essentials of Medical Astrology" > >> puts leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should > >> look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out leucoderma. It > >> would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better. > >> > >> Comments welcome. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Krishna > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ > >> gmail.com <sanjaychettiar@ ...>> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> || Om Gurave Namah || > >>> Dear Krishna, > >>> > >>> Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and > >>> rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently > >>> in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this > >>> issue). > >>> > >>> But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's > >>> preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from > >>> Prashna Marga and hence it was opted. > >>> > >>> In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object > >>> of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the > >>> particular karma which causes the trouble. > >>> > >>> Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well > >>> performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is > >>> trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off > >>> from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's house. > >>> > >>> In another sense Vayu tattva is "Sense object" for Skin so can we say > >>> Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, > >>> when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your > >>> opinions. > >>> > >>> Warm Regards, > >>> Sanjay P > >>> > >>> > >>> 2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com<kmurthys58@ ...> > >>> > > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Dear Sanjayji, > >>>> Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the > >>>> karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? > >>>> Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> Krishna > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ > >>>> gmail.com <sanjaychettiar@ ...>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> || Om Gurave Namah || > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Jani, > >>>>> > >>>>> Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma. > >>>>> In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by > >>>>> Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected > >>>>> by Saturn and Rahu. > >>>>> We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana > >>>>> kaaraka staana. > >>>>> > >>>>> Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord > >>>>> (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka. > >>>>> > >>>>> Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy, > >>>>> > >>>>> Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating > >>>>> forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and > >>>>> gifting of gold are the palliatives. > >>>>> > >>>>> I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi. > >>>>> > >>>>> Warm Regards > >>>>> Sanjay P > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> 2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani <mhjani > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Birth details of one my relative are follows. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > DOB 14/7/1972 > >>>>> > Place: Navsari/Gujarat > >>>>> > Time: 20:20 Hrs > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing > >>>>> disease? Pl. advice. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > M H Jani > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Natal Chart > >>>>> > >>>>> July 14, 1972 > >>>>> Time: 20:20:00 > >>>>> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > >>>>> Place: 72 E 55' 00", 20 N 51' 00" > >>>>> Navsari, India > >>>>> Altitude: 0.00 meters > >>>>> > >>>>> Lunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Ashadha > >>>>> Tithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left) > >>>>> Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve) > >>>>> Nakshatra: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left) > >>>>> Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left) > >>>>> Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left) > >>>>> Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn) > >>>>> Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi) > >>>>> Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars) > >>>>> > >>>>> Sunrise: 6:05:28 > >>>>> Sunset: 19:22:37 > >>>>> Janma Ghatis: 35.6057 > >>>>> > >>>>> Ayanamsa: 23-28-21.04 > >>>>> Sidereal Time: 15:11:56 > >>>>> > >>>>> Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa > >>>>> > >>>>> Lagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Ta > >>>>> Sun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46" Puna 3 Ge Ge > >>>>> Moon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26" PPha 1 Le Le > >>>>> Mars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95" Push 4 Cn Sc > >>>>> Mercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10" Asre 3 Cn Aq > >>>>> Jupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92" Mool 3 Sg Ge > >>>>> Venus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28" Mrig 1 Ta Le > >>>>> Saturn - PiK 21 Ta 58' 15.19" Rohi 4 Ta Cn > >>>>> Rahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08" USha 2 Cp Cp > >>>>> Ketu 2 Cn 48' 03.08" Puna 4 Cn Cn > >>>>> Maandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18" Bhar 2 Ar Vi > >>>>> Gulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59" Aswi 3 Ar Ge > >>>>> Bhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21" Dhan 3 Aq Li > >>>>> Hora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28" UPha 3 Vi Aq > >>>>> Ghati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48" Ardr 3 Ge Aq > >>>>> Vighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48" Rohi 1 Ta Ar > >>>>> Varnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge Ar > >>>>> Sree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24" Aswi 4 Ar Cn > >>>>> Pranapada Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80" Hast 1 Vi Ar > >>>>> Indu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26" Hast 2 Vi Ta > >>>>> Bhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17" Bhar 4 Ar Sc > >>>>> Dhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46" Anu 3 Sc Li > >>>>> Vyatipata 17 Le 53' 43.54" PPha 2 Le Vi > >>>>> Parivesha 17 Aq 53' 43.54" Sata 4 Aq Pi > >>>>> Indra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46" Rohi 1 Ta Ar > >>>>> Upaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46" Mrig 2 Ta Vi > >>>>> Kaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04" Mrig 3 Ge Li > >>>>> Mrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34" Srav 1 Cp Ar > >>>>> Artha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48" Dhan 3 Aq Li > >>>>> Yama Ghantaka 28 Aq 41' 23.20" PBha 3 Aq Ge > >>>>> Prana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14" Reva 2 Pi Cp > >>>>> Deha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71" Bhar 2 Ar Vi > >>>>> Mrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61" PPha 3 Le Li > >>>>> Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45" UPha 2 Vi Cp > >>>>> TriSphuta 8 Ge 51' 28.97" Ardr 1 Ge Sg > >>>>> ChatusSphuta 7 Vi 37' 45.43" UPha 4 Vi Pi > >>>>> PanchaSphuta 10 Ge 25' 48.50" Ardr 2 Ge Cp > >>>>> V2 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi Ta > >>>>> V3 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li Le > >>>>> V4 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Vi > >>>>> V5 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq Sg > >>>>> V6 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta Ta > >>>>> V7 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge Ar > >>>>> V8 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi Ta > >>>>> V9 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li Sg > >>>>> V10 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Vi > >>>>> V11 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq Le > >>>>> V12 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta Ta > >>>>> Kunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81" Krit 4 Ta Pi > >>>>> > >>>>> +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + > >>>>> | |Md Gk |Ve Sa |Su GL | > >>>>> | | | | | > >>>>> | | | | | > >>>>> | | | | | > >>>>> | | | | | > >>>>> |----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | > >>>>> | | |Ma Me | > >>>>> | | |Ke | > >>>>> | | | | > >>>>> | | | | > >>>>> | | | | > >>>>> |----------- | Rasi |----------- | > >>>>> |As Ra | |Mo | > >>>>> | | | | > >>>>> | | | | > >>>>> | | | | > >>>>> | | | | > >>>>> |----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | > >>>>> |JuR | | |HL AL | > >>>>> | | | | | > >>>>> | | | | | > >>>>> | | | | | > >>>>> | | | | | > >>>>> +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + > >>>>> +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + > >>>>> | | |As |Su JuR | > >>>>> | | | |Gk | > >>>>> | | | | | > >>>>> | | | | | > >>>>> | | | | | > >>>>> |----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | > >>>>> |Me HL | |Sa Ke | > >>>>> |GL | | | > >>>>> | | | | > >>>>> | | | | > >>>>> | | Navamsa | | > >>>>> |----------- | |----------- | > >>>>> |Ra | D-9 |Mo Ve | > >>>>> | | |AL | > >>>>> | | | | > >>>>> | | | | > >>>>> | | | | > >>>>> |----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | > >>>>> | |Ma | |Md | > >>>>> | | | | | > >>>>> | | | | | > >>>>> | | | | | > >>>>> | | | | | > >>>>> +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Vimsottari Dasa (): > >>>>> > >>>>> Ven Ven 1967-10-10 Sun 1971-02-05 Moon 1972-02-05 > >>>>> Mars 1973-10-09 Rah 1974-12-08 Jup 1977-12-08 > >>>>> Sat 1980-08-08 Merc 1983-10-10 Ket 1986-08-09 > >>>>> Sun Sun 1987-10-10 Moon 1988-01-25 Mars 1988-07-27 > >>>>> Rah 1988-12-02 Jup 1989-10-27 Sat 1990-08-15 > >>>>> Merc 1991-07-28 Ket 1992-05-31 Ven 1992-10-09 > >>>>> Moon Moon 1993-10-09 Mars 1994-08-09 Rah 1995-03-07 > >>>>> Jup 1996-09-09 Sat 1998-01-07 Merc 1999-08-09 > >>>>> Ket 2001-01-06 Ven 2001-08-09 Sun 2003-04-06 > >>>>> Mars Mars 2003-10-10 Rah 2004-03-03 Jup 2005-03-22 > >>>>> Sat 2006-02-26 Merc 2007-04-06 Ket 2008-04-03 > >>>>> Ven 2008-09-02 Sun 2009-11-03 Moon 2010-03-07 > >>>>> Rah Rah 2010-10-10 Jup 2013-06-19 Sat 2015-11-15 > >>>>> Merc 2018-09-21 Ket 2021-04-06 Ven 2022-04-25 > >>>>> Sun 2025-04-24 Moon 2026-03-19 Mars 2027-09-22 > >>>>> Jup Jup 2028-10-09 Sat 2030-11-27 Merc 2033-06-07 > >>>>> Ket 2035-09-16 Ven 2036-08-21 Sun 2039-04-19 > >>>>> Moon 2040-02-06 Mars 2041-06-07 Rah 2042-05-13 > >>>>> Sat Sat 2044-10-09 Merc 2047-10-13 Ket 2050-06-20 > >>>>> Ven 2051-07-31 Sun 2054-10-01 Moon 2055-09-13 > >>>>> Mars 2057-04-09 Rah 2058-05-20 Jup 2061-03-25 > >>>>> Merc Merc 2063-10-10 Ket 2066-03-04 Ven 2067-03-02 > >>>>> Sun 2070-01-01 Moon 2070-11-09 Mars 2072-04-06 > >>>>> Rah 2073-04-03 Jup 2075-10-25 Sat 2078-01-28 > >>>>> Ket Ket 2080-10-10 Ven 2081-03-04 Sun 2082-05-04 > >>>>> Moon 2082-09-13 Mars 2083-04-10 Rah 2083-09-10 > >>>>> Jup 2084-09-28 Sat 2085-09-03 Merc 2086-10-13 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Om Gurave NamahDear Amit, namasteIt started during February 2005. Problem is still present.Warm Regards,Maja--- On Sun, 8/30/09, amitpuri20 <amitpuri20 wrote:amitpuri20 <amitpuri20 Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problemsohamsa Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 6:12 PM Namskar maja please mention the date of manifestation of this problem .. regard sohamsa@ .com, Maja Ã… trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Krishnamurthy, namaste > > (Heh, got me! I forgot origin of my name for a moment. This is Hebrew for "water" also > > For a start, here is Celiac disorder native: > DOB: 25th of April 1975 > TOB: 01:44 AM > POB: 20 E 30, 44 N 50 > Time zone is 01h East of GMT > > You should get Makara lagna in Rasi chart and Kark lagna in Navamsa. Now tell me honestly, would you ever say that this native is suffering serious problems with digestion after quick peek on her chart (native is female)? I would never guess without knowing it in advance. I would probably bet on Sukra related issues (ovaries for example) because it is joined with badhakesh. > > Yet true, Rahu is in Badhakstan, so this could include a.i. disorders. In parivartana with Mangal... would you take this Mangal in consideration for agni7digestion? > > Warm Regards, > Maja Strbac > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > --- On Sun, 8/30/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ ...> wrote: > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ ...> > Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem > sohamsa@ .com > Sunday, August 30, 2009, 7:46 AM > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Maja, > Another good name :-) > You are correct that in case of autoimmune diseases the nodes play an important role. In fact, I have already documented that Rahu plays an important role in Juvenile Diabetes which is again caused due to autoimmune reaction. > > Though I don't have much exposure on all the three diseases that you have mentioned, it would be interesting to study them from autoimmune angle. > Regards,Krishna > > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Maja Ã… trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Lakshmi and Krishnamurthy, namaste > > (two wonderful names indeed > > > Your discussion made me think over some examples of "root cause" and manifestation of disease. > Celiac syndrome (gluten allergy)-main symptom is located on intestine. > Asthma - lungs > Vitiligo-skin > > > All above mentioned belongs to group of autoimmune diseases (most of opinions at least agree on this being main factor). Last info I got related to this type of diseases was that nodes should signify this disorder (what do you think?). > > > Number and variety of autoimmune disorders is growing more and more each day (there is opinion that vaccines are root cause for this "global epidemic"), so my question is: how to make difference between root cause and obvious symptom in chart? > > > I have chart examples for all 3 mentioned. Would you join > me to go through them together? > > Warm Regards to both, > Maja Strbac > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com> wrote: > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com> > > Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem > sohamsa@ .com > Friday, August 28, 2009, 9:51 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > Dear Lakshmi, > Yours is a good name too :-) > Thanks for taking time to explain and clarify my question. > OK, I understand your view point now. Your point is - Venus is the primary cause for leucoderma. And, you also agree that we should look beyond Venus to confirm the disease. Fair enough. Thanks for expressing your views. My logic was that unless the dhatu (Mercury) is weak/afflicted, it may not carry a disease related to it even if other related planets are afflicted. Of course, skin could have multiple types of diseases depending upon what all planets are involved. But, if it is a skin problem, the issue should be revolving around Mercury is my point. > > > I raised this issue as Mercury was not even mentioned in Sanjay's first mail on the topic. > Regards,Krishna > > On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > Dear Krishnamurthy, > Nice name! >  > I was just making some points when trying to understand disease in astro. >  > Yes, disease is usually a multi planet project, it isnt so simple to point finger at one planet. >  > There is the seed , or origin, >  and then it manifests and grows,in the right environment due to karma, > it often changes and can become a multitude of external and internal "symptoms". > Many think the origin of most DIS EASE begins with the mind. >  > Thats the value of ayurveda combined with astro, > to determine where the intrinsic weak parts are, >  where are the imbalances,etc. Then perform remedies, change diet etc. > In regards to Leucoderma, im pretty sure I read in Jaimini Sutras that Venus is connected to it. Why? I dont know, except Venus plays a role with hormones,lymph, rejuvenation( or lack thereof) > But Venus by itself isnt going to be the sole planet involved. >  Im saying Venus must be at the root of it. >  > Most diseases end up involving many parts of the body. > Hope you understand my point. > One "symptom" of lupus is a rash on the cheeks. > One symptom of chicken pox is a rash. > One indication of AIDS is a distinct type of skin cancer. > So where are we going to look for the basis of these disease? > Not at the skin, it is just one of many "symptoms". > Planets, signs and houses, have multiple karaka . > Hopefully you understand what i was getting at. > Best wishes > Lakshmi >  >  >  > >  > > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com> > sohamsa@ .com > > > Friday, August 28, 2009 8:24:56 PM > Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem > > > >  > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey. > > > Did you want to say: > > > - It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or > - It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and Venus > > > Please clarify. > > > Regards, > Krishna > > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: > > > >  > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > Dear Krishnamurthy, > Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved. > When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body. >  > Many skin problems are the result of "body chemistry" out of wack. > Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues. > Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue. >  > Bottom line Many of these things overlap > ( i mean karaka wise) >  > Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it? > So I see it all as inter related. > See primary issue, and then secondary issue. > In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause. > Best wishes > Lakshmi >  >  > >  > > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com> > sohamsa@ .com > > > Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AM > Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem > > > > >  > > Dear Sanjay, > > > Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus. > > > > > Interestingly, Dr. Charak in his book on "Essentials of Medical Astrology" puts  leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out  leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better. > > > > > Comments welcome. > > > Regards, > Krishna > > > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >  > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > Dear Krishna, > >  Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue). > > > > But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted. > > In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. > > > > Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's > house. > > In another sense Vayu tattva is "Sense object" for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions. > > > > Warm Regards, > Sanjay P > > > > > 2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com> > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjayji, > > > Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? > > > > Regards, > Krishna > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >  > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > Dear Jani, > >  Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma. > In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu. > > > We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana. > > Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka. > > Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy, > > > > Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. > > I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi. > > > > Warm Regards > Sanjay P > > > > 2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani > > > > >  > > > > Birth details of one my relative are follows. > > > > > > DOB 14/7/1972 > > Place: Navsari/Gujarat > > Time: 20:20 Hrs > > > > Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice. > > > > M H Jani > > > > > > Natal Chart > >      July 14, 1972 > > > Time:      20:20:00 > Time Zone:   5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > Place:     72 E 55' 00", 20 N 51' 00" >        Navsari, India > > > Altitude:    0.00 meters > > Lunar Yr-Mo:  Paridhavi - Ashadha > > > Tithi:     Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left) > Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve) > > > Nakshatra:   Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left) > Yoga:      Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left) > > > Karana:     Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left) > Hora Lord:   Venus (5 min sign: Cn) > > > Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi) > Kaala Lord:   Mars (Mahakala: Mars) > > > > Sunrise:    6:05:28 > Sunset:     19:22:37 > > > Janma Ghatis:  35.6057 > > Ayanamsa:    23-28-21.04 > > > Sidereal Time: 15:11:56 > > Body         Longitude     Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa > > > > Lagna        14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav    2   Cp  Ta > Sun - AK       28 Ge 46' 16.46" Puna    3   Ge  Ge > > > Moon - GK      16 Le 30' 41.26" PPha    1   Le  Le > Mars - PK      16 Cn 39' 20.95" Push    4   Cn  Sc > > > Mercury - MK     24 Cn 45' 21.10" Asre    3   Cn  Aq > Jupiter ® - DK   7 Sg 33' 17.92" Mool    3   Sg  Ge > > > Venus - BK      25 Ta 10' 43.28" Mrig    1   Ta  Le > Saturn - PiK     21 Ta 58' > 15.19" Rohi    4   Ta  Cn > Rahu - AmK      2 Cp 48' 03.08" USha    2   Cp  Cp > > > Ketu         2 Cn 48' 03.08" Puna    4   Cn  Cn > Maandi        19 Ar 25' 49.18" Bhar    2   Ar  Vi > > > Gulika        7 Ar 26' 28.59" Aswi    3   Ar  > Ge > Bhava Lagna      1 Aq 50' 22.21" Dhan    3   Aq  Li > > > Hora Lagna      5 Vi 28' 25.28" UPha    3   Vi  Aq > Ghati Lagna     16 Ge 22' 34.48" Ardr    3   Ge  Aq > > > Vighati Lagna    10 Ta 53' 20.48" Rohi    1   Ta  Ar > Varnada Lagna    14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr    3   Ge  Ar > > > Sree Lagna      10 Ar 42' 53.24" Aswi    4   Ar  Cn > Pranapada Lagna   11 Vi 27' 17.80" Hast    1   Vi  Ar > > > Indu Lagna      16 Vi 30' 41.26" Hast    2   Vi  Ta > Bhrigu Bindu     24 Ar 39' 22.17" Bhar    4   Ar >  Sc > Dhooma        12 Sc 06' 16.46" Anu    3   Sc  Li > > > Vyatipata      17 Le 53' 43.54" PPha    2   Le  Vi > Parivesha      17 Aq 53' 43.54" Sata    4   Aq  Pi > > > Indra Chapa     12 Ta 06' 16.46" Rohi    1   Ta  Ar > Upaketu       28 Ta 46' 16.46" Mrig    2   Ta  Vi > > > Kaala         1 Ge 04' 56.04" Mrig    3   Ge  Li > Mrityu        10 Cp 12' 36.34" Srav    1   Cp  Ar > > > Artha Prahara     3 Aq 14' 51.48" Dhan    3   Aq  Li > Yama Ghantaka  >   28 Aq 41' 23.20" PBha    3   Aq  Ge > Prana Sphuta     21 Pi 58' 04.14" Reva    2   Pi  Cp > > > Deha Sphuta     19 Ar 31' 58.71" Bhar    2   Ar  Vi > Mrityu Sphuta    20 Le 51' 36.61" PPha    3   Le  Li > > > Sookshma TriSphuta  2 Vi 21' 39.45" UPha    2   Vi  Cp > TriSphuta       8 Ge 51' 28.97" Ardr    1   Ge  Sg > > > ChatusSphuta     7 Vi 37' 45.43" UPha    4   Vi  Pi > PanchaSphuta     10 Ge 25' 48.50" Ardr    2   Ge  Cp > > > V2          14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast    2   Vi  Ta > V3  >         14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat    3   Li  Le > V4          14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav    2   Cp  Vi > > > V5          14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata    3   Aq  Sg > V6          14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi    2   Ta  Ta > > > V7   >        14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr    3   Ge  Ar > V8          14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast    2   Vi  Ta > > > V9          14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat    3   Li  Sg > V10         14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav    2   Cp  Vi > > > V11     >     14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata    3   Aq  Le > V12         14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi    2   Ta  Ta > > > Kunda         7 Ta 19' 47.81" Krit    4   Ta  Pi > > +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + > > > |      |Md  Gk   |Ve  Sa  >  |Su  GL   | > |      |      |      |      | > > |      |      |      |      | > |      |      |      |      | > > > |      |     >  |      |      | > |----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | > > > |      |            |Ma  Me   | > |      |            |Ke     | > > > |      |            | >      | > |      |            |      | > |      |            |      | > > > |----------- |     Rasi      |----------- | > |As  Ra   |            > |Mo     | > |      |            |      | > > |      |            |      | > |      |            |      | > > > |      |   >          |      | > |----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | > > > |JuR     |      |      |HL  AL   | > |      |      |      |      | > > > |      |      |     >  |      | > |      |      |      |      | > > |      |      |      |      | > +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + > > > +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + > |      |      |As     |Su  JuR  | > > > |      |      |      |Gk     | > |      |      |      |      | > > > |      |      |      |      | > |      |      |      |      | > > > |----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | > |Me  HL   |            |Sa  Ke   | > > > |GL     |            |      | > |   >    |            |      | > |      |            |      | > > > |      |     Navamsa     |      | > |----------- |            |----------- | > > > |Ra  >    |      D-9      |Mo  Ve   | > |      |            |AL     | > > > |      |            |      | > |      |            |      | > > > |      |            |      | > |----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | > > > |      |Ma     |      |Md     | > |      |      |      |      | > > > | >      |      |      |      | > |      |      |      |      | > > > |      |      |      |      | > +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (): > > > > Ven  Ven 1967-10-10  Sun 1971-02-05  Moon 1972-02-05  >   Mars 1973-10-09  Rah 1974-12-08  Jup 1977-12-08  > > >   Sat 1980-08-08  Merc 1983-10-10  Ket 1986-08-09  > Sun  Sun 1987-10-10  Moon 1988-01-25  Mars 1988-07-27  > > >   Rah 1988-12-02  Jup 1989-10-27  Sat 1990-08-15  >   Merc 1991-07-28  Ket 1992-05-31  Ven 1992-10-09  > > > Moon  Moon 1993-10-09  Mars 1994-08-09  Rah 1995-03-07  >    Jup 1996-09-09  Sat 1998-01-07  Merc 1999-08-09  > > >    Ket 2001-01-06  Ven 2001-08-09  Sun 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Guest guest Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Dear Maja,Frankly, when I first opened the chart, I too looked at Venus, as it is in Rahu-Ketu axis and also aspected by Marsand in papakartari. This could have its own ramifications at the appropriate time and may not be relevant to Celiac Disorder. I googled to get some details on Celiac disorder. From what I understand, I don't think it is a problem related to Mars, though it is a digestive disorder. The small intestine is affected and is unable to absorb some of the nutrients. Since it is the small intestine, one should look at the 6th house and the sign Virgo. In this case, the lord of both 6th house and Virgo both is Mercury. Mercury is combust and also disposits Saturn. Mercury and Rahu have a common dispositor and Saturn is in the nakshatra of Rahu, one can assume that rahu affects Mercury as well. The problem is on the lining of the small intestine which has some functions akin to skin also. That too calls for a look at Mercury as well. This is not a conclusion but my preliminary line of analysis. I need to look at more charts (thanks to Tarun for providing more charts and I am yet to take a look at them).Regards, KrishnaOn Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro wrote:  Om Gurave NamahDear Krishnamurthy, namaste(Heh, got me! I forgot origin of my name for a moment. This is Hebrew for " water " also For a start, here is Celiac disorder native:DOB: 25th of April 1975TOB: 01:44 AMPOB: 20 E 30, 44 N 50 Time zone is 01h East of GMTYou should get Makara lagna in Rasi chart and Kark lagna in Navamsa. Now tell me honestly, would you ever say that this native is suffering serious problems with digestion after quick peek on her chart (native is female)? I would never guess without knowing it in advance. I would probably bet on Sukra related issues (ovaries for example) because it is joined with badhakesh. Yet true, Rahu is in Badhakstan, so this could include a.i. disorders. In parivartana with Mangal... would you take this Mangal in consideration for agni7digestion?Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem sohamsa Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 7:46 AM  Dear Maja,Another good name :-)You are correct that in case of autoimmune diseases the nodes play an important role. In fact, I have already documented that Rahu plays an important role in Juvenile Diabetes which is again caused due to autoimmune reaction. Though I don't have much exposure on all the three diseases that you have mentioned, it would be interesting to study them from autoimmune angle.Regards,Krishna On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:  Om Gurave NamahDear Lakshmi and Krishnamurthy, namaste(two wonderful names indeed Your discussion made me think over some examples of " root cause " and manifestation of disease. Celiac syndrome (gluten allergy)-main symptom is located on intestine.Asthma - lungsVitiligo-skin All above mentioned belongs to group of autoimmune diseases (most of opinions at least agree on this being main factor). Last info I got related to this type of diseases was that nodes should signify this disorder (what do you think?). Number and variety of autoimmune disorders is growing more and more each day (there is opinion that vaccines are root cause for this " global epidemic " ), so my question is: how to make difference between root cause and obvious symptom in chart? I have chart examples for all 3 mentioned. Would you join me to go through them together? Warm Regards to both,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problemsohamsa@ .comFriday, August 28, 2009, 9:51 PM  Dear Lakshmi,Yours is a good name too :-)Thanks for taking time to explain and clarify my question.OK, I understand your view point now. Your point is - Venus is the primary cause for leucoderma. And, you also agree that we should look beyond Venus to confirm the disease. Fair enough. Thanks for expressing your views. My logic was that unless the dhatu (Mercury) is weak/afflicted, it may not carry a disease related to it even if other related planets are afflicted. Of course, skin could have multiple types of diseases depending upon what all planets are involved. But, if it is a skin problem, the issue should be revolving around Mercury is my point. I raised this issue as Mercury was not even mentioned in Sanjay's first mail on the topic.Regards,KrishnaOn Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:  Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Nice name!  I was just making some points when trying to understand disease in astro.  Yes, disease is usually a multi planet project, it isnt so simple to point finger at one planet.  There is the seed , or origin,  and then it manifests and grows,in the right environment due to karma, it often changes and can become a multitude of external and internal " symptoms " . Many think the origin of most DIS EASE begins with the mind.  Thats the value of ayurveda combined with astro, to determine where the intrinsic weak parts are,  where are the imbalances,etc. Then perform remedies, change diet etc. In regards to Leucoderma, im pretty sure I read in Jaimini Sutras that Venus is connected to it. Why? I dont know, except Venus plays a role with hormones,lymph, rejuvenation( or lack thereof) But Venus by itself isnt going to be the sole planet involved.  Im saying Venus must be at the root of it.  Most diseases end up involving many parts of the body. Hope you understand my point. One " symptom " of lupus is a rash on the cheeks. One symptom of chicken pox is a rash. One indication of AIDS is a distinct type of skin cancer. So where are we going to look for the basis of these disease? Not at the skin, it is just one of many " symptoms " . Planets, signs and houses, have multiple karaka . Hopefully you understand what i was getting at. Best wishes Lakshmi     Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .com Friday, August 28, 2009 8:24:56 PMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem  Dear Lakshmi, I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey. Did you want to say: - It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or - It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and Venus Please clarify. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:  Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved. When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body.  Many skin problems are the result of " body chemistry " out of wack. Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues. Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue.  Bottom line Many of these things overlap ( i mean karaka wise)  Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it? So I see it all as inter related. See primary issue, and then secondary issue. In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause. Best wishes Lakshmi    Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .com Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem  Dear Sanjay, Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus. Interestingly, Dr. Charak in his book on " Essentials of Medical Astrology " puts  leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out  leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better. Comments welcome. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote:  || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Krishna, Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue). But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's house.In another sense Vayu tattva is " Sense object " for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions. Warm Regards,Sanjay P 2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Dear Sanjayji, Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? Regards, Krishna On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote:  || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jani, Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu. We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy, Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi. Warm RegardsSanjay P2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani >>>  >> Birth details of one my relative are follows. >> DOB 14/7/1972> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> Time: 20:20 Hrs>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.>> M H Jani Natal Chart     July 14, 1972 Time:      20:20:00Time Zone:   5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place:     72 E 55' 00 " , 20 N 51' 00 "        Navsari, India Altitude:    0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo:  Paridhavi - Ashadha Tithi:     Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve) Nakshatra:   Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)Yoga:      Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left) Karana:     Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)Hora Lord:   Venus (5 min sign: Cn) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)Kaala Lord:   Mars (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise:    6:05:28Sunset:     19:22:37 Janma Ghatis:  35.6057Ayanamsa:    23-28-21.04 Sidereal Time: 15:11:56Body         Longitude     Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna        14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav    2   Cp  TaSun - AK       28 Ge 46' 16.46 " Puna    3   Ge  Ge Moon - GK      16 Le 30' 41.26 " PPha    1   Le  LeMars - PK      16 Cn 39' 20.95 " Push    4   Cn  Sc Mercury - MK     24 Cn 45' 21.10 " Asre    3   Cn  AqJupiter ® - DK   7 Sg 33' 17.92 " Mool    3   Sg  Ge Venus - BK      25 Ta 10' 43.28 " Mrig    1   Ta  LeSaturn - PiK     21 Ta 58' 15.19 " Rohi    4   Ta  CnRahu - AmK      2 Cp 48' 03.08 " USha    2   Cp  Cp Ketu         2 Cn 48' 03.08 " Puna    4   Cn  CnMaandi        19 Ar 25' 49.18 " Bhar    2   Ar  Vi Gulika        7 Ar 26' 28.59 " Aswi    3   Ar  GeBhava Lagna      1 Aq 50' 22.21 " Dhan    3   Aq  Li Hora Lagna      5 Vi 28' 25.28 " UPha    3   Vi  AqGhati Lagna     16 Ge 22' 34.48 " Ardr    3   Ge  Aq Vighati Lagna    10 Ta 53' 20.48 " Rohi    1   Ta  ArVarnada Lagna    14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr    3   Ge  Ar Sree Lagna      10 Ar 42' 53.24 " Aswi    4   Ar  CnPranapada Lagna   11 Vi 27' 17.80 " Hast    1   Vi  Ar Indu Lagna      16 Vi 30' 41.26 " Hast    2   Vi  TaBhrigu Bindu     24 Ar 39' 22.17 " Bhar    4   Ar  ScDhooma        12 Sc 06' 16.46 " Anu    3   Sc  Li Vyatipata      17 Le 53' 43.54 " PPha    2   Le  ViParivesha      17 Aq 53' 43.54 " Sata    4   Aq  Pi Indra Chapa     12 Ta 06' 16.46 " Rohi    1   Ta  ArUpaketu       28 Ta 46' 16.46 " Mrig    2   Ta  Vi Kaala         1 Ge 04' 56.04 " Mrig    3   Ge  LiMrityu        10 Cp 12' 36.34 " Srav    1   Cp  Ar Artha Prahara     3 Aq 14' 51.48 " Dhan    3   Aq  LiYama Ghantaka    28 Aq 41' 23.20 " PBha    3   Aq  GePrana Sphuta     21 Pi 58' 04.14 " Reva    2   Pi  Cp Deha Sphuta     19 Ar 31' 58.71 " Bhar    2   Ar  ViMrityu Sphuta    20 Le 51' 36.61 " PPha    3   Le  Li Sookshma TriSphuta  2 Vi 21' 39.45 " UPha    2   Vi  CpTriSphuta       8 Ge 51' 28.97 " Ardr    1   Ge  Sg ChatusSphuta     7 Vi 37' 45.43 " UPha    4   Vi  PiPanchaSphuta     10 Ge 25' 48.50 " Ardr    2   Ge  Cp V2          14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast    2   Vi  TaV3          14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat    3   Li  LeV4          14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav    2   Cp  Vi V5          14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata    3   Aq  SgV6          14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi    2   Ta  Ta V7          14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr    3   Ge  ArV8          14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast    2   Vi  Ta V9          14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat    3   Li  SgV10         14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav    2   Cp  Vi V11         14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata    3   Aq  LeV12         14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi    2   Ta  Ta Kunda         7 Ta 19' 47.81 " Krit    4   Ta  Pi+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + |      |Md  Gk   |Ve  Sa   |Su  GL   ||      |      |      |      | |      |      |      |      ||      |      |      |      | |      |      |      |      ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | |      |            |Ma  Me   ||      |            |Ke     | |      |            |      ||      |            |      ||      |            |      | |----------- |     Rasi      |----------- ||As  Ra   |            |Mo     ||      |            |      | |      |            |      ||      |            |      | |      |            |      ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | |JuR     |      |      |HL  AL   ||      |      |      |      | |      |      |      |      ||      |      |      |      | |      |      | 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Guest guest Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Dear Shri Krishnaji, Pranams. I am giving a horoscope detail for your analysis on Leucoderma problem. DOB: 26/9/1945 : TOB: 2.15 A.M. : POB: Long: 78E10 ; Latit: 11 N 14 The native has this problem for more than 45 years since his childhood. The affliction is on his lower lips and some parts of his hands. If it is useful you can see the chart. with regards S.R.Balasubramaniam--- On Fri, 28/8/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problemsohamsa Date: Friday, 28 August, 2009, 3:19 PM Dear Sanjay, Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus. Interestingly, Dr. Charak in his book on "Essentials of Medical Astrology" puts leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better. Comments welcome. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Krishna, Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue).But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's house.In another sense Vayu tattva is "Sense object" for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions.Warm Regards,Sanjay P 2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Dear Sanjayji, Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? Regards, Krishna On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jani, Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu.We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy,Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi.Warm RegardsSanjay P2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani >>> >> Birth details of one my relative are follows.>> DOB 14/7/1972> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> Time: 20:20 Hrs>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.>> M H JaniNatal Chart July 14, 1972Time: 20:20:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 72 E 55' 00", 20 N 51' 00" Navsari, IndiaAltitude: 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - AshadhaTithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve)Nakshatra: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left)Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn)Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars)Sunrise: 6:05:28Sunset: 19:22:37Janma Ghatis: 35.6057Ayanamsa: 23-28-21.04Sidereal Time: 15:11:56Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi NavamsaLagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp TaSun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46" Puna 3 Ge GeMoon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26" PPha 1 Le LeMars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95" Push 4 Cn ScMercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10" Asre 3 Cn AqJupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92" Mool 3 Sg GeVenus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28" Mrig 1 Ta LeSaturn - PiK 21 Ta 58' 15.19" Rohi 4 Ta CnRahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08" USha 2 Cp CpKetu 2 Cn 48' 03.08" Puna 4 Cn CnMaandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18" Bhar 2 Ar ViGulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59" Aswi 3 Ar GeBhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21" Dhan 3 Aq LiHora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28" UPha 3 Vi AqGhati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48" Ardr 3 Ge AqVighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48" Rohi 1 Ta ArVarnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge ArSree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24" Aswi 4 Ar CnPranapada Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80" Hast 1 Vi ArIndu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26" Hast 2 Vi TaBhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17" Bhar 4 Ar ScDhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46" Anu 3 Sc LiVyatipata 17 Le 53' 43.54" PPha 2 Le ViParivesha 17 Aq 53' 43.54" Sata 4 Aq PiIndra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46" Rohi 1 Ta ArUpaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46" Mrig 2 Ta ViKaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04" Mrig 3 Ge LiMrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34" Srav 1 Cp ArArtha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48" Dhan 3 Aq LiYama Ghantaka 28 Aq 41' 23.20" PBha 3 Aq GePrana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14" Reva 2 Pi CpDeha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71" Bhar 2 Ar ViMrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61" PPha 3 Le LiSookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45" UPha 2 Vi CpTriSphuta 8 Ge 51' 28.97" Ardr 1 Ge SgChatusSphuta 7 Vi 37' 45.43" UPha 4 Vi PiPanchaSphuta 10 Ge 25' 48.50" Ardr 2 Ge CpV2 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi TaV3 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li LeV4 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp ViV5 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq SgV6 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta TaV7 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge ArV8 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi TaV9 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li SgV10 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp ViV11 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq LeV12 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta TaKunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81" Krit 4 Ta Pi+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +| |Md Gk |Ve Sa |Su GL || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- || | |Ma Me || | |Ke || | | || | | || | | ||----------- | Rasi |----------- ||As Ra | |Mo || | | || | | || | | || | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- ||JuR | | |HL AL || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ++----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +| | |As |Su JuR || | | |Gk || | | | || | | | || | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- ||Me HL | |Sa Ke ||GL | | || | | || | | || | Navamsa | ||----------- | |----------- ||Ra | D-9 |Mo Ve || | |AL || | | || | | || | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- || |Ma | |Md || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +Vimsottari Dasa ():Ven Ven 1967-10-10 Sun 1971-02-05 Moon 1972-02-05 Mars 1973-10-09 Rah 1974-12-08 Jup 1977-12-08 Sat 1980-08-08 Merc 1983-10-10 Ket 1986-08-09 Sun Sun 1987-10-10 Moon 1988-01-25 Mars 1988-07-27 Rah 1988-12-02 Jup 1989-10-27 Sat 1990-08-15 Merc 1991-07-28 Ket 1992-05-31 Ven 1992-10-09 Moon Moon 1993-10-09 Mars 1994-08-09 Rah 1995-03-07 Jup 1996-09-09 Sat 1998-01-07 Merc 1999-08-09 Ket 2001-01-06 Ven 2001-08-09 Sun 2003-04-06 Mars Mars 2003-10-10 Rah 2004-03-03 Jup 2005-03-22 Sat 2006-02-26 Merc 2007-04-06 Ket 2008-04-03 Ven 2008-09-02 Sun 2009-11-03 Moon 2010-03-07 Rah Rah 2010-10-10 Jup 2013-06-19 Sat 2015-11-15 Merc 2018-09-21 Ket 2021-04-06 Ven 2022-04-25 Sun 2025-04-24 Moon 2026-03-19 Mars 2027-09-22 Jup Jup 2028-10-09 Sat 2030-11-27 Merc 2033-06-07 Ket 2035-09-16 Ven 2036-08-21 Sun 2039-04-19 Moon 2040-02-06 Mars 2041-06-07 Rah 2042-05-13 Sat Sat 2044-10-09 Merc 2047-10-13 Ket 2050-06-20 Ven 2051-07-31 Sun 2054-10-01 Moon 2055-09-13 Mars 2057-04-09 Rah 2058-05-20 Jup 2061-03-25 Merc Merc 2063-10-10 Ket 2066-03-04 Ven 2067-03-02 Sun 2070-01-01 Moon 2070-11-09 Mars 2072-04-06 Rah 2073-04-03 Jup 2075-10-25 Sat 2078-01-28 Ket Ket 2080-10-10 Ven 2081-03-04 Sun 2082-05-04 Moon 2082-09-13 Mars 2083-04-10 Rah 2083-09-10 Jup 2084-09-28 Sat 2085-09-03 Merc 2086-10-13 Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Maja and Krishna,Coeliac disease is caused by a reaction to gliadin, a gluten protein found in wheatSo is Sun not the culprit as Sun is karaka for wheat? Something external the body cannot digest - we have to look at 6th house. Lagnesh is in the 6th house for a start and it is Saturn. (Interestingly this will cause the AL to fall in the 11th house and thus Lagnesh is in the 8th from AL).In the chart provided Sun is 8th lord. When the 8th lord has anything to do with 6th house or lord it can give chronic digestive disease. Here Sun is conjoined 6th lord Mercury and in the 8th house from Moon - confirming the health issue. Narayana dasa of Leo was just running.Regards,MichalKrishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58sohamsa Sent: Monday, 31 August, 2009 9:42:46 PMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Maja,Frankly, when I first opened the chart, I too looked at Venus, as it is in Rahu-Ketu axis and also aspected by Marsand in papakartari. This could have its own ramifications at the appropriate time and may not be relevant to Celiac Disorder. I googled to get some details on Celiac disorder. From what I understand, I don't think it is a problem related to Mars, though it is a digestive disorder. The small intestine is affected and is unable to absorb some of the nutrients. Since it is the small intestine, one should look at the 6th house and the sign Virgo. In this case, the lord of both 6th house and Virgo both is Mercury. Mercury is combust and also disposits Saturn. Mercury and Rahu have a common dispositor and Saturn is in the nakshatra of Rahu, one can assume that rahu affects Mercury as well. The problem is on the lining of the small intestine which has some functions akin to skin also. That too calls for a look at Mercury as well. This is not a conclusion but my preliminary line of analysis. I need to look at more charts (thanks to Tarun for providing more charts and I am yet to take a look at them).Regards, KrishnaOn Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Krishnamurthy, namaste(Heh, got me! I forgot origin of my name for a moment. This is Hebrew for "water" also For a start, here is Celiac disorder native:DOB: 25th of April 1975TOB: 01:44 AMPOB: 20 E 30, 44 N 50 Time zone is 01h East of GMTYou should get Makara lagna in Rasi chart and Kark lagna in Navamsa. Now tell me honestly, would you ever say that this native is suffering serious problems with digestion after quick peek on her chart (native is female)? I would never guess without knowing it in advance. I would probably bet on Sukra related issues (ovaries for example) because it is joined with badhakesh. Yet true, Rahu is in Badhakstan, so this could include a.i. disorders. In parivartana with Mangal... would you take this Mangal in consideration for agni7digestion?Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem sohamsa@ .comSunday, August 30, 2009, 7:46 AM Dear Maja,Another good name :-)You are correct that in case of autoimmune diseases the nodes play an important role. In fact, I have already documented that Rahu plays an important role in Juvenile Diabetes which is again caused due to autoimmune reaction. Though I don't have much exposure on all the three diseases that you have mentioned, it would be interesting to study them from autoimmune angle.Regards,Krishna On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Lakshmi and Krishnamurthy, namaste(two wonderful names indeed Your discussion made me think over some examples of "root cause" and manifestation of disease. Celiac syndrome (gluten allergy)-main symptom is located on intestine.Asthma - lungsVitiligo-skin All above mentioned belongs to group of autoimmune diseases (most of opinions at least agree on this being main factor). Last info I got related to this type of diseases was that nodes should signify this disorder (what do you think?). Number and variety of autoimmune disorders is growing more and more each day (there is opinion that vaccines are root cause for this "global epidemic"), so my question is: how to make difference between root cause and obvious symptom in chart? I have chart examples for all 3 mentioned. Would you join me to go through them together? Warm Regards to both,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problemsohamsa@ .comFriday, August 28, 2009, 9:51 PM Dear Lakshmi,Yours is a good name too :-)Thanks for taking time to explain and clarify my question.OK, I understand your view point now. Your point is - Venus is the primary cause for leucoderma. And, you also agree that we should look beyond Venus to confirm the disease. Fair enough. Thanks for expressing your views. My logic was that unless the dhatu (Mercury) is weak/afflicted, it may not carry a disease related to it even if other related planets are afflicted. Of course, skin could have multiple types of diseases depending upon what all planets are involved. But, if it is a skin problem, the issue should be revolving around Mercury is my point. I raised this issue as Mercury was not even mentioned in Sanjay's first mail on the topic.Regards,KrishnaOn Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Nice name! I was just making some points when trying to understand disease in astro. Yes, disease is usually a multi planet project, it isnt so simple to point finger at one planet. There is the seed , or origin, and then it manifests and grows,in the right environment due to karma, it often changes and can become a multitude of external and internal "symptoms". Many think the origin of most DIS EASE begins with the mind. Thats the value of ayurveda combined with astro, to determine where the intrinsic weak parts are, where are the imbalances,etc. Then perform remedies, change diet etc. In regards to Leucoderma, im pretty sure I read in Jaimini Sutras that Venus is connected to it. Why? I dont know, except Venus plays a role with hormones,lymph, rejuvenation( or lack thereof) But Venus by itself isnt going to be the sole planet involved. Im saying Venus must be at the root of it. Most diseases end up involving many parts of the body. Hope you understand my point. One "symptom" of lupus is a rash on the cheeks. One symptom of chicken pox is a rash. One indication of AIDS is a distinct type of skin cancer. So where are we going to look for the basis of these disease? Not at the skin, it is just one of many "symptoms". Planets, signs and houses, have multiple karaka . Hopefully you understand what i was getting at. Best wishes Lakshmi Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .com Friday, August 28, 2009 8:24:56 PMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Lakshmi, I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey. Did you want to say: - It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or - It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and Venus Please clarify. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved. When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body. Many skin problems are the result of "body chemistry" out of wack. Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues. Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue. Bottom line Many of these things overlap ( i mean karaka wise) Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it? So I see it all as inter related. See primary issue, and then secondary issue. In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause. Best wishes Lakshmi Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .com Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Sanjay, Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus. Interestingly, Dr. Charak in his book on "Essentials of Medical Astrology" puts leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better. Comments welcome. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Krishna, Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue). But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's house.In another sense Vayu tattva is "Sense object" for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions. Warm Regards,Sanjay P 2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Dear Sanjayji, Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? Regards, Krishna On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jani, Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu. We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy, Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi. Warm RegardsSanjay P2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani >>> >> Birth details of one my relative are follows. >> DOB 14/7/1972> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> Time: 20:20 Hrs>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.>> M H Jani Natal Chart July 14, 1972 Time: 20:20:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 72 E 55' 00", 20 N 51' 00" Navsari, India Altitude: 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Ashadha Tithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve) Nakshatra: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left) Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise: 6:05:28Sunset: 19:22:37 Janma Ghatis: 35.6057Ayanamsa: 23-28-21.04 Sidereal Time: 15:11:56Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp TaSun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46" Puna 3 Ge Ge Moon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26" PPha 1 Le LeMars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95" Push 4 Cn Sc Mercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10" Asre 3 Cn AqJupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92" Mool 3 Sg Ge Venus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28" Mrig 1 Ta LeSaturn - PiK 21 Ta 58' 15.19" Rohi 4 Ta CnRahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08" USha 2 Cp Cp Ketu 2 Cn 48' 03.08" Puna 4 Cn CnMaandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18" Bhar 2 Ar Vi Gulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59" Aswi 3 Ar GeBhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21" Dhan 3 Aq Li Hora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28" UPha 3 Vi AqGhati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48" Ardr 3 Ge Aq Vighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48" Rohi 1 Ta ArVarnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge Ar Sree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24" Aswi 4 Ar CnPranapada Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80" Hast 1 Vi Ar Indu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26" Hast 2 Vi TaBhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17" Bhar 4 Ar ScDhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46" Anu 3 Sc Li Vyatipata 17 Le 53' 43.54" PPha 2 Le ViParivesha 17 Aq 53' 43.54" Sata 4 Aq Pi Indra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46" Rohi 1 Ta ArUpaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46" Mrig 2 Ta Vi Kaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04" Mrig 3 Ge LiMrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34" Srav 1 Cp Ar Artha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48" Dhan 3 Aq LiYama Ghantaka 28 Aq 41' 23.20" PBha 3 Aq GePrana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14" Reva 2 Pi Cp Deha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71" Bhar 2 Ar ViMrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61" PPha 3 Le Li Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45" UPha 2 Vi CpTriSphuta 8 Ge 51' 28.97" Ardr 1 Ge Sg ChatusSphuta 7 Vi 37' 45.43" UPha 4 Vi PiPanchaSphuta 10 Ge 25' 48.50" Ardr 2 Ge Cp V2 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi TaV3 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li LeV4 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Vi V5 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq SgV6 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta Ta V7 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge ArV8 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi Ta V9 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li SgV10 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Vi V11 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq LeV12 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta Ta Kunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81" Krit 4 Ta Pi+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + | |Md Gk |Ve Sa |Su GL || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | | | |Ma Me || | |Ke | | | | || | | || | | | |----------- | Rasi |----------- ||As Ra | |Mo || | | | | | | || | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | |JuR | | |HL AL || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +| | |As |Su JuR | | | | |Gk || | | | | | | | | || | | | | |----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- ||Me HL | |Sa Ke | |GL | | || | | || | | | | | Navamsa | ||----------- | |----------- | |Ra | D-9 |Mo Ve || | |AL | | | | || | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | | |Ma | |Md || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + Vimsottari Dasa (): Ven Ven 1967-10-10 Sun 1971-02-05 Moon 1972-02-05 Mars 1973-10-09 Rah 1974-12-08 Jup 1977-12-08 Sat 1980-08-08 Merc 1983-10-10 Ket 1986-08-09 Sun Sun 1987-10-10 Moon 1988-01-25 Mars 1988-07-27 Rah 1988-12-02 Jup 1989-10-27 Sat 1990-08-15 Merc 1991-07-28 Ket 1992-05-31 Ven 1992-10-09 Moon Moon 1993-10-09 Mars 1994-08-09 Rah 1995-03-07 Jup 1996-09-09 Sat 1998-01-07 Merc 1999-08-09 Ket 2001-01-06 Ven 2001-08-09 Sun 2003-04-06 Mars Mars 2003-10-10 Rah 2004-03-03 Jup 2005-03-22 Sat 2006-02-26 Merc 2007-04-06 Ket 2008-04-03 Ven 2008-09-02 Sun 2009-11-03 Moon 2010-03-07 Rah Rah 2010-10-10 Jup 2013-06-19 Sat 2015-11-15 Merc 2018-09-21 Ket 2021-04-06 Ven 2022-04-25 Sun 2025-04-24 Moon 2026-03-19 Mars 2027-09-22 Jup Jup 2028-10-09 Sat 2030-11-27 Merc 2033-06-07 Ket 2035-09-16 Ven 2036-08-21 Sun 2039-04-19 Moon 2040-02-06 Mars 2041-06-07 Rah 2042-05-13 Sat Sat 2044-10-09 Merc 2047-10-13 Ket 2050-06-20 Ven 2051-07-31 Sun 2054-10-01 Moon 2055-09-13 Mars 2057-04-09 Rah 2058-05-20 Jup 2061-03-25 Merc Merc 2063-10-10 Ket 2066-03-04 Ven 2067-03-02 Sun 2070-01-01 Moon 2070-11-09 Mars 2072-04-06 Rah 2073-04-03 Jup 2075-10-25 Sat 2078-01-28 Ket Ket 2080-10-10 Ven 2081-03-04 Sun 2082-05-04 Moon 2082-09-13 Mars 2083-04-10 Rah 2083-09-10 Jup 2084-09-28 Sat 2085-09-03 Merc 2086-10-13 Need mail bonding? 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Guest guest Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Om Gurave NamahDear Michal, namasteOne little detail, it can be relevant: Surya is karaka for wheat, but karaka for proteins is Mangal (I can point you to recent lessons where Sanjay was mentioning this). 6th and 8th lords joined-giving digestion related problems sounds pretty much common sense to me (as additional factor along with lagnesh in 6th. Celiac syndrome is not one and only serious health problem she was experiencing until nowadays), but I still see big Rahu/mangal parivartana "screaming" from badhakstan aspecting Lagna (health) by Rasi dristi. I just can't skip this part.Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote: Michal Dziwulski <nearmichalRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problemsohamsa Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 3:25 PM Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Maja and Krishna,Coeliac disease is caused by a reaction to gliadin, a gluten protein found in wheatSo is Sun not the culprit as Sun is karaka for wheat? Something external the body cannot digest - we have to look at 6th house. Lagnesh is in the 6th house for a start and it is Saturn. (Interestingly this will cause the AL to fall in the 11th house and thus Lagnesh is in the 8th from AL).In the chart provided Sun is 8th lord. When the 8th lord has anything to do with 6th house or lord it can give chronic digestive disease. Here Sun is conjoined 6th lord Mercury and in the 8th house from Moon - confirming the health issue. Narayana dasa of Leo was just running.Regards,MichalKrishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .comMonday, 31 August, 2009 9:42:46 PMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Maja,Frankly, when I first opened the chart, I too looked at Venus, as it is in Rahu-Ketu axis and also aspected by Marsand in papakartari. This could have its own ramifications at the appropriate time and may not be relevant to Celiac Disorder. I googled to get some details on Celiac disorder. From what I understand, I don't think it is a problem related to Mars, though it is a digestive disorder. The small intestine is affected and is unable to absorb some of the nutrients. Since it is the small intestine, one should look at the 6th house and the sign Virgo. In this case, the lord of both 6th house and Virgo both is Mercury. Mercury is combust and also disposits Saturn. Mercury and Rahu have a common dispositor and Saturn is in the nakshatra of Rahu, one can assume that rahu affects Mercury as well. The problem is on the lining of the small intestine which has some functions akin to skin also. That too calls for a look at Mercury as well. This is not a conclusion but my preliminary line of analysis. I need to look at more charts (thanks to Tarun for providing more charts and I am yet to take a look at them).Regards, KrishnaOn Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Krishnamurthy, namaste(Heh, got me! I forgot origin of my name for a moment. This is Hebrew for "water" also For a start, here is Celiac disorder native:DOB: 25th of April 1975TOB: 01:44 AMPOB: 20 E 30, 44 N 50 Time zone is 01h East of GMTYou should get Makara lagna in Rasi chart and Kark lagna in Navamsa. Now tell me honestly, would you ever say that this native is suffering serious problems with digestion after quick peek on her chart (native is female)? I would never guess without knowing it in advance. I would probably bet on Sukra related issues (ovaries for example) because it is joined with badhakesh. Yet true, Rahu is in Badhakstan, so this could include a.i. disorders. In parivartana with Mangal... would you take this Mangal in consideration for agni7digestion?Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem sohamsa@ .comSunday, August 30, 2009, 7:46 AM Dear Maja,Another good name :-)You are correct that in case of autoimmune diseases the nodes play an important role. In fact, I have already documented that Rahu plays an important role in Juvenile Diabetes which is again caused due to autoimmune reaction. Though I don't have much exposure on all the three diseases that you have mentioned, it would be interesting to study them from autoimmune angle.Regards,Krishna On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Lakshmi and Krishnamurthy, namaste(two wonderful names indeed Your discussion made me think over some examples of "root cause" and manifestation of disease. Celiac syndrome (gluten allergy)-main symptom is located on intestine.Asthma - lungsVitiligo-skin All above mentioned belongs to group of autoimmune diseases (most of opinions at least agree on this being main factor). Last info I got related to this type of diseases was that nodes should signify this disorder (what do you think?). Number and variety of autoimmune disorders is growing more and more each day (there is opinion that vaccines are root cause for this "global epidemic"), so my question is: how to make difference between root cause and obvious symptom in chart? I have chart examples for all 3 mentioned. Would you join me to go through them together? Warm Regards to both,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problemsohamsa@ .comFriday, August 28, 2009, 9:51 PM Dear Lakshmi,Yours is a good name too :-)Thanks for taking time to explain and clarify my question.OK, I understand your view point now. Your point is - Venus is the primary cause for leucoderma. And, you also agree that we should look beyond Venus to confirm the disease. Fair enough. Thanks for expressing your views. My logic was that unless the dhatu (Mercury) is weak/afflicted, it may not carry a disease related to it even if other related planets are afflicted. Of course, skin could have multiple types of diseases depending upon what all planets are involved. But, if it is a skin problem, the issue should be revolving around Mercury is my point. I raised this issue as Mercury was not even mentioned in Sanjay's first mail on the topic.Regards,KrishnaOn Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Nice name! I was just making some points when trying to understand disease in astro. Yes, disease is usually a multi planet project, it isnt so simple to point finger at one planet. There is the seed , or origin, and then it manifests and grows,in the right environment due to karma, it often changes and can become a multitude of external and internal "symptoms". Many think the origin of most DIS EASE begins with the mind. Thats the value of ayurveda combined with astro, to determine where the intrinsic weak parts are, where are the imbalances,etc. Then perform remedies, change diet etc. In regards to Leucoderma, im pretty sure I read in Jaimini Sutras that Venus is connected to it. Why? I dont know, except Venus plays a role with hormones,lymph, rejuvenation( or lack thereof) But Venus by itself isnt going to be the sole planet involved. Im saying Venus must be at the root of it. Most diseases end up involving many parts of the body. Hope you understand my point. One "symptom" of lupus is a rash on the cheeks. One symptom of chicken pox is a rash. One indication of AIDS is a distinct type of skin cancer. So where are we going to look for the basis of these disease? Not at the skin, it is just one of many "symptoms". Planets, signs and houses, have multiple karaka . Hopefully you understand what i was getting at. Best wishes Lakshmi Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .com Friday, August 28, 2009 8:24:56 PMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Lakshmi, I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey. Did you want to say: - It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or - It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and Venus Please clarify. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved. When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body. Many skin problems are the result of "body chemistry" out of wack. Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues. Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue. Bottom line Many of these things overlap ( i mean karaka wise) Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it? So I see it all as inter related. See primary issue, and then secondary issue. In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause. Best wishes Lakshmi Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .com Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Sanjay, Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus. Interestingly, Dr. Charak in his book on "Essentials of Medical Astrology" puts leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better. Comments welcome. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Krishna, Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue). But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's house.In another sense Vayu tattva is "Sense object" for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions. Warm Regards,Sanjay P 2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Dear Sanjayji, Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? Regards, Krishna On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jani, Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu. We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy, Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi. Warm RegardsSanjay P2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani >>> >> Birth details of one my relative are follows. >> DOB 14/7/1972> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> Time: 20:20 Hrs>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.>> M H Jani Natal Chart July 14, 1972 Time: 20:20:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 72 E 55' 00", 20 N 51' 00" Navsari, India Altitude: 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Ashadha Tithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve) Nakshatra: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left) Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise: 6:05:28Sunset: 19:22:37 Janma Ghatis: 35.6057Ayanamsa: 23-28-21.04 Sidereal Time: 15:11:56Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp TaSun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46" Puna 3 Ge Ge Moon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26" PPha 1 Le LeMars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95" Push 4 Cn Sc Mercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10" Asre 3 Cn AqJupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92" Mool 3 Sg Ge Venus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28" Mrig 1 Ta LeSaturn - PiK 21 Ta 58' 15.19" Rohi 4 Ta CnRahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08" USha 2 Cp Cp Ketu 2 Cn 48' 03.08" Puna 4 Cn CnMaandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18" Bhar 2 Ar Vi Gulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59" Aswi 3 Ar GeBhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21" Dhan 3 Aq Li Hora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28" UPha 3 Vi AqGhati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48" Ardr 3 Ge Aq Vighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48" Rohi 1 Ta ArVarnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge Ar Sree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24" Aswi 4 Ar CnPranapada Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80" Hast 1 Vi Ar Indu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26" Hast 2 Vi TaBhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17" Bhar 4 Ar ScDhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46" Anu 3 Sc Li Vyatipata 17 Le 53' 43.54" PPha 2 Le ViParivesha 17 Aq 53' 43.54" Sata 4 Aq Pi Indra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46" Rohi 1 Ta ArUpaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46" Mrig 2 Ta Vi Kaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04" Mrig 3 Ge LiMrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34" Srav 1 Cp Ar Artha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48" Dhan 3 Aq LiYama Ghantaka 28 Aq 41' 23.20" PBha 3 Aq GePrana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14" Reva 2 Pi Cp Deha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71" Bhar 2 Ar ViMrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61" PPha 3 Le Li Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45" UPha 2 Vi CpTriSphuta 8 Ge 51' 28.97" Ardr 1 Ge Sg ChatusSphuta 7 Vi 37' 45.43" UPha 4 Vi PiPanchaSphuta 10 Ge 25' 48.50" Ardr 2 Ge Cp V2 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi TaV3 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li LeV4 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Vi V5 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq SgV6 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta Ta V7 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge ArV8 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi Ta V9 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li SgV10 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Vi V11 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq LeV12 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta Ta Kunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81" Krit 4 Ta Pi+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + | |Md Gk |Ve Sa |Su GL || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | | | |Ma Me || | |Ke | | | | || | | || | | | |----------- | Rasi |----------- ||As Ra | |Mo || | | | | | | || | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | |JuR | | |HL AL || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +| | |As |Su JuR | | | | |Gk || | | | | | | | | || | | | | |----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- ||Me HL | |Sa Ke | |GL | | || | | || | | | | | Navamsa | ||----------- | |----------- | |Ra | D-9 |Mo Ve || | |AL | | | | || | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | | |Ma | |Md || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + Vimsottari Dasa (): Ven Ven 1967-10-10 Sun 1971-02-05 Moon 1972-02-05 Mars 1973-10-09 Rah 1974-12-08 Jup 1977-12-08 Sat 1980-08-08 Merc 1983-10-10 Ket 1986-08-09 Sun Sun 1987-10-10 Moon 1988-01-25 Mars 1988-07-27 Rah 1988-12-02 Jup 1989-10-27 Sat 1990-08-15 Merc 1991-07-28 Ket 1992-05-31 Ven 1992-10-09 Moon Moon 1993-10-09 Mars 1994-08-09 Rah 1995-03-07 Jup 1996-09-09 Sat 1998-01-07 Merc 1999-08-09 Ket 2001-01-06 Ven 2001-08-09 Sun 2003-04-06 Mars Mars 2003-10-10 Rah 2004-03-03 Jup 2005-03-22 Sat 2006-02-26 Merc 2007-04-06 Ket 2008-04-03 Ven 2008-09-02 Sun 2009-11-03 Moon 2010-03-07 Rah Rah 2010-10-10 Jup 2013-06-19 Sat 2015-11-15 Merc 2018-09-21 Ket 2021-04-06 Ven 2022-04-25 Sun 2025-04-24 Moon 2026-03-19 Mars 2027-09-22 Jup Jup 2028-10-09 Sat 2030-11-27 Merc 2033-06-07 Ket 2035-09-16 Ven 2036-08-21 Sun 2039-04-19 Moon 2040-02-06 Mars 2041-06-07 Rah 2042-05-13 Sat Sat 2044-10-09 Merc 2047-10-13 Ket 2050-06-20 Ven 2051-07-31 Sun 2054-10-01 Moon 2055-09-13 Mars 2057-04-09 Rah 2058-05-20 Jup 2061-03-25 Merc Merc 2063-10-10 Ket 2066-03-04 Ven 2067-03-02 Sun 2070-01-01 Moon 2070-11-09 Mars 2072-04-06 Rah 2073-04-03 Jup 2075-10-25 Sat 2078-01-28 Ket Ket 2080-10-10 Ven 2081-03-04 Sun 2082-05-04 Moon 2082-09-13 Mars 2083-04-10 Rah 2083-09-10 Jup 2084-09-28 Sat 2085-09-03 Merc 2086-10-13 Need mail bonding? 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Guest guest Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Om Gurave NamahDear Krishnamurthy, namasteAs far as her health I assure you that she is not experiencing any Sukra related issues. (As far as her emotional life, sadly, that would be another story)If Surya can be involved in Papakartari or not, opinions are... kind of divided (some say that it can become "akin" to krura in context of papakartari only if native breaks the law)Yes, I do agree on Kanya Rasi related to small intestine, but I would search for afflictions on Kanya in Rasi chart, which I simply don't see here (one malefic dristi is not enough to give such heavy story IMHO). Interesting part is that her Chandra AK is vargotama in Kanya, so maybe this can relate it to Rasi chart somehow. There is dictum about Karakamsa in Kanya giving skin and stomach health related issues. Now look at that Kanya karakamsa: Rahu Yuti, Sani dristi, Mangal dristi, ouch! Do you think this makes some sense?P.S. I remember that SY-SY-SY-SY-SY-SY-SY-SY-SY chart of yours Lovely!Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote:Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problemsohamsa Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 2:42 AM Dear Maja,Frankly, when I first opened the chart, I too looked at Venus, as it is in Rahu-Ketu axis and also aspected by Marsand in papakartari. This could have its own ramifications at the appropriate time and may not be relevant to Celiac Disorder. I googled to get some details on Celiac disorder. From what I understand, I don't think it is a problem related to Mars, though it is a digestive disorder. The small intestine is affected and is unable to absorb some of the nutrients. Since it is the small intestine, one should look at the 6th house and the sign Virgo. In this case, the lord of both 6th house and Virgo both is Mercury. Mercury is combust and also disposits Saturn. Mercury and Rahu have a common dispositor and Saturn is in the nakshatra of Rahu, one can assume that rahu affects Mercury as well. The problem is on the lining of the small intestine which has some functions akin to skin also. That too calls for a look at Mercury as well. This is not a conclusion but my preliminary line of analysis. I need to look at more charts (thanks to Tarun for providing more charts and I am yet to take a look at them).Regards, KrishnaOn Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Krishnamurthy, namaste(Heh, got me! I forgot origin of my name for a moment. This is Hebrew for "water" also For a start, here is Celiac disorder native:DOB: 25th of April 1975TOB: 01:44 AMPOB: 20 E 30, 44 N 50 Time zone is 01h East of GMTYou should get Makara lagna in Rasi chart and Kark lagna in Navamsa. Now tell me honestly, would you ever say that this native is suffering serious problems with digestion after quick peek on her chart (native is female)? I would never guess without knowing it in advance. I would probably bet on Sukra related issues (ovaries for example) because it is joined with badhakesh. Yet true, Rahu is in Badhakstan, so this could include a.i. disorders. In parivartana with Mangal... would you take this Mangal in consideration for agni7digestion?Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem sohamsa@ .comSunday, August 30, 2009, 7:46 AM Dear Maja,Another good name :-)You are correct that in case of autoimmune diseases the nodes play an important role. In fact, I have already documented that Rahu plays an important role in Juvenile Diabetes which is again caused due to autoimmune reaction. Though I don't have much exposure on all the three diseases that you have mentioned, it would be interesting to study them from autoimmune angle.Regards,Krishna On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Lakshmi and Krishnamurthy, namaste(two wonderful names indeed Your discussion made me think over some examples of "root cause" and manifestation of disease. Celiac syndrome (gluten allergy)-main symptom is located on intestine.Asthma - lungsVitiligo-skin All above mentioned belongs to group of autoimmune diseases (most of opinions at least agree on this being main factor). Last info I got related to this type of diseases was that nodes should signify this disorder (what do you think?). Number and variety of autoimmune disorders is growing more and more each day (there is opinion that vaccines are root cause for this "global epidemic"), so my question is: how to make difference between root cause and obvious symptom in chart? I have chart examples for all 3 mentioned. Would you join me to go through them together? Warm Regards to both,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problemsohamsa@ .comFriday, August 28, 2009, 9:51 PM Dear Lakshmi,Yours is a good name too :-)Thanks for taking time to explain and clarify my question.OK, I understand your view point now. Your point is - Venus is the primary cause for leucoderma. And, you also agree that we should look beyond Venus to confirm the disease. Fair enough. Thanks for expressing your views. My logic was that unless the dhatu (Mercury) is weak/afflicted, it may not carry a disease related to it even if other related planets are afflicted. Of course, skin could have multiple types of diseases depending upon what all planets are involved. But, if it is a skin problem, the issue should be revolving around Mercury is my point. I raised this issue as Mercury was not even mentioned in Sanjay's first mail on the topic.Regards,KrishnaOn Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Nice name! I was just making some points when trying to understand disease in astro. Yes, disease is usually a multi planet project, it isnt so simple to point finger at one planet. There is the seed , or origin, and then it manifests and grows,in the right environment due to karma, it often changes and can become a multitude of external and internal "symptoms". Many think the origin of most DIS EASE begins with the mind. Thats the value of ayurveda combined with astro, to determine where the intrinsic weak parts are, where are the imbalances,etc. Then perform remedies, change diet etc. In regards to Leucoderma, im pretty sure I read in Jaimini Sutras that Venus is connected to it. Why? I dont know, except Venus plays a role with hormones,lymph, rejuvenation( or lack thereof) But Venus by itself isnt going to be the sole planet involved. Im saying Venus must be at the root of it. Most diseases end up involving many parts of the body. Hope you understand my point. One "symptom" of lupus is a rash on the cheeks. One symptom of chicken pox is a rash. One indication of AIDS is a distinct type of skin cancer. So where are we going to look for the basis of these disease? Not at the skin, it is just one of many "symptoms". Planets, signs and houses, have multiple karaka . Hopefully you understand what i was getting at. Best wishes Lakshmi Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .com Friday, August 28, 2009 8:24:56 PMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Lakshmi, I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey. Did you want to say: - It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or - It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and Venus Please clarify. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved. When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body. Many skin problems are the result of "body chemistry" out of wack. Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues. Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue. Bottom line Many of these things overlap ( i mean karaka wise) Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it? So I see it all as inter related. See primary issue, and then secondary issue. In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause. Best wishes Lakshmi Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .com Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Sanjay, Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus. Interestingly, Dr. Charak in his book on "Essentials of Medical Astrology" puts leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better. Comments welcome. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Krishna, Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue). But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's house.In another sense Vayu tattva is "Sense object" for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions. Warm Regards,Sanjay P 2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Dear Sanjayji, Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? Regards, Krishna On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jani, Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu. We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy, Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi. Warm RegardsSanjay P2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani >>> >> Birth details of one my relative are follows. >> DOB 14/7/1972> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> Time: 20:20 Hrs>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.>> M H Jani Natal Chart July 14, 1972 Time: 20:20:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 72 E 55' 00", 20 N 51' 00" Navsari, India Altitude: 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Ashadha Tithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve) Nakshatra: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left) Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise: 6:05:28Sunset: 19:22:37 Janma Ghatis: 35.6057Ayanamsa: 23-28-21.04 Sidereal Time: 15:11:56Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp TaSun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46" Puna 3 Ge Ge Moon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26" PPha 1 Le LeMars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95" Push 4 Cn Sc Mercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10" Asre 3 Cn AqJupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92" Mool 3 Sg Ge Venus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28" Mrig 1 Ta LeSaturn - PiK 21 Ta 58' 15.19" Rohi 4 Ta CnRahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08" USha 2 Cp Cp Ketu 2 Cn 48' 03.08" Puna 4 Cn CnMaandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18" Bhar 2 Ar Vi Gulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59" Aswi 3 Ar GeBhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21" Dhan 3 Aq Li Hora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28" UPha 3 Vi AqGhati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48" Ardr 3 Ge Aq Vighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48" Rohi 1 Ta ArVarnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge Ar Sree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24" Aswi 4 Ar CnPranapada Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80" Hast 1 Vi Ar Indu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26" Hast 2 Vi TaBhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17" Bhar 4 Ar ScDhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46" Anu 3 Sc Li Vyatipata 17 Le 53' 43.54" PPha 2 Le ViParivesha 17 Aq 53' 43.54" Sata 4 Aq Pi Indra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46" Rohi 1 Ta ArUpaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46" Mrig 2 Ta Vi Kaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04" Mrig 3 Ge LiMrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34" Srav 1 Cp Ar Artha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48" Dhan 3 Aq LiYama Ghantaka 28 Aq 41' 23.20" PBha 3 Aq GePrana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14" Reva 2 Pi Cp Deha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71" Bhar 2 Ar ViMrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61" PPha 3 Le Li Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45" UPha 2 Vi CpTriSphuta 8 Ge 51' 28.97" Ardr 1 Ge Sg ChatusSphuta 7 Vi 37' 45.43" UPha 4 Vi PiPanchaSphuta 10 Ge 25' 48.50" Ardr 2 Ge Cp V2 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi TaV3 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li LeV4 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Vi V5 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq SgV6 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta Ta V7 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge ArV8 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi Ta V9 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li SgV10 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Vi V11 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq LeV12 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta Ta Kunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81" Krit 4 Ta Pi+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + | |Md Gk |Ve Sa |Su GL || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | | | |Ma Me || | |Ke | | | | || | | || | | | |----------- | Rasi |----------- ||As Ra | |Mo || | | | | | | || | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | |JuR | | |HL AL || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +| | |As |Su JuR | | | | |Gk || | | | | | | | | || | | | | |----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- ||Me HL | |Sa Ke | |GL | | || | | || | | | | | Navamsa | ||----------- | |----------- | |Ra | D-9 |Mo Ve || | |AL | | | | || | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | | |Ma | |Md || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + Vimsottari Dasa (): Ven Ven 1967-10-10 Sun 1971-02-05 Moon 1972-02-05 Mars 1973-10-09 Rah 1974-12-08 Jup 1977-12-08 Sat 1980-08-08 Merc 1983-10-10 Ket 1986-08-09 Sun Sun 1987-10-10 Moon 1988-01-25 Mars 1988-07-27 Rah 1988-12-02 Jup 1989-10-27 Sat 1990-08-15 Merc 1991-07-28 Ket 1992-05-31 Ven 1992-10-09 Moon Moon 1993-10-09 Mars 1994-08-09 Rah 1995-03-07 Jup 1996-09-09 Sat 1998-01-07 Merc 1999-08-09 Ket 2001-01-06 Ven 2001-08-09 Sun 2003-04-06 Mars Mars 2003-10-10 Rah 2004-03-03 Jup 2005-03-22 Sat 2006-02-26 Merc 2007-04-06 Ket 2008-04-03 Ven 2008-09-02 Sun 2009-11-03 Moon 2010-03-07 Rah Rah 2010-10-10 Jup 2013-06-19 Sat 2015-11-15 Merc 2018-09-21 Ket 2021-04-06 Ven 2022-04-25 Sun 2025-04-24 Moon 2026-03-19 Mars 2027-09-22 Jup Jup 2028-10-09 Sat 2030-11-27 Merc 2033-06-07 Ket 2035-09-16 Ven 2036-08-21 Sun 2039-04-19 Moon 2040-02-06 Mars 2041-06-07 Rah 2042-05-13 Sat Sat 2044-10-09 Merc 2047-10-13 Ket 2050-06-20 Ven 2051-07-31 Sun 2054-10-01 Moon 2055-09-13 Mars 2057-04-09 Rah 2058-05-20 Jup 2061-03-25 Merc Merc 2063-10-10 Ket 2066-03-04 Ven 2067-03-02 Sun 2070-01-01 Moon 2070-11-09 Mars 2072-04-06 Rah 2073-04-03 Jup 2075-10-25 Sat 2078-01-28 Ket Ket 2080-10-10 Ven 2081-03-04 Sun 2082-05-04 Moon 2082-09-13 Mars 2083-04-10 Rah 2083-09-10 Jup 2084-09-28 Sat 2085-09-03 Merc 2086-10-13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Maja,There is protein in milk and peanuts. When we are dealing with the level of the graha should we look at the foods represented by them or microscopic levels they represent?In this case I am more inclined to look at 8th lord Sun. Badhakesh is for unseen problems that are drastic and shocking (like Rahu). Celiac disease is quite standard, easily understood (diagnosed), and easily managed. With this being the case why do you insist on looking at badhakstan? Perhaps the person has other health problems that may be due to this. Nodes on 1/7 axis definitely gives stomach problems but not necessarily celiac disease.Regards,MichalMaja Å trbac <majastrbacastrosohamsa Sent: Tuesday, 1 September, 2009 12:33:16 PMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Om Gurave NamahDear Michal, namasteOne little detail, it can be relevant: Surya is karaka for wheat, but karaka for proteins is Mangal (I can point you to recent lessons where Sanjay was mentioning this). 6th and 8th lords joined-giving digestion related problems sounds pretty much common sense to me (as additional factor along with lagnesh in 6th. Celiac syndrome is not one and only serious health problem she was experiencing until nowadays), but I still see big Rahu/mangal parivartana "screaming" from badhakstan aspecting Lagna (health) by Rasi dristi. I just can't skip this part.Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal > wrote: Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal >Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problemsohamsa@ .comMonday, August 31, 2009, 3:25 PM Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Maja and Krishna,Coeliac disease is caused by a reaction to gliadin, a gluten protein found in wheatSo is Sun not the culprit as Sun is karaka for wheat? Something external the body cannot digest - we have to look at 6th house. Lagnesh is in the 6th house for a start and it is Saturn. (Interestingly this will cause the AL to fall in the 11th house and thus Lagnesh is in the 8th from AL).In the chart provided Sun is 8th lord. When the 8th lord has anything to do with 6th house or lord it can give chronic digestive disease. Here Sun is conjoined 6th lord Mercury and in the 8th house from Moon - confirming the health issue. Narayana dasa of Leo was just running.Regards,MichalKrishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .comMonday, 31 August, 2009 9:42:46 PMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Maja,Frankly, when I first opened the chart, I too looked at Venus, as it is in Rahu-Ketu axis and also aspected by Marsand in papakartari. This could have its own ramifications at the appropriate time and may not be relevant to Celiac Disorder. I googled to get some details on Celiac disorder. From what I understand, I don't think it is a problem related to Mars, though it is a digestive disorder. The small intestine is affected and is unable to absorb some of the nutrients. Since it is the small intestine, one should look at the 6th house and the sign Virgo. In this case, the lord of both 6th house and Virgo both is Mercury. Mercury is combust and also disposits Saturn. Mercury and Rahu have a common dispositor and Saturn is in the nakshatra of Rahu, one can assume that rahu affects Mercury as well. The problem is on the lining of the small intestine which has some functions akin to skin also. That too calls for a look at Mercury as well. This is not a conclusion but my preliminary line of analysis. I need to look at more charts (thanks to Tarun for providing more charts and I am yet to take a look at them).Regards, KrishnaOn Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Krishnamurthy, namaste(Heh, got me! I forgot origin of my name for a moment. This is Hebrew for "water" also For a start, here is Celiac disorder native:DOB: 25th of April 1975TOB: 01:44 AMPOB: 20 E 30, 44 N 50 Time zone is 01h East of GMTYou should get Makara lagna in Rasi chart and Kark lagna in Navamsa. Now tell me honestly, would you ever say that this native is suffering serious problems with digestion after quick peek on her chart (native is female)? I would never guess without knowing it in advance. I would probably bet on Sukra related issues (ovaries for example) because it is joined with badhakesh. Yet true, Rahu is in Badhakstan, so this could include a.i. disorders. In parivartana with Mangal... would you take this Mangal in consideration for agni7digestion?Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem sohamsa@ .comSunday, August 30, 2009, 7:46 AM Dear Maja,Another good name :-)You are correct that in case of autoimmune diseases the nodes play an important role. In fact, I have already documented that Rahu plays an important role in Juvenile Diabetes which is again caused due to autoimmune reaction. Though I don't have much exposure on all the three diseases that you have mentioned, it would be interesting to study them from autoimmune angle.Regards,Krishna On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Lakshmi and Krishnamurthy, namaste(two wonderful names indeed Your discussion made me think over some examples of "root cause" and manifestation of disease. Celiac syndrome (gluten allergy)-main symptom is located on intestine.Asthma - lungsVitiligo-skin All above mentioned belongs to group of autoimmune diseases (most of opinions at least agree on this being main factor). Last info I got related to this type of diseases was that nodes should signify this disorder (what do you think?). Number and variety of autoimmune disorders is growing more and more each day (there is opinion that vaccines are root cause for this "global epidemic"), so my question is: how to make difference between root cause and obvious symptom in chart? I have chart examples for all 3 mentioned. Would you join me to go through them together? Warm Regards to both,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problemsohamsa@ .comFriday, August 28, 2009, 9:51 PM Dear Lakshmi,Yours is a good name too :-)Thanks for taking time to explain and clarify my question.OK, I understand your view point now. Your point is - Venus is the primary cause for leucoderma. And, you also agree that we should look beyond Venus to confirm the disease. Fair enough. Thanks for expressing your views. My logic was that unless the dhatu (Mercury) is weak/afflicted, it may not carry a disease related to it even if other related planets are afflicted. Of course, skin could have multiple types of diseases depending upon what all planets are involved. But, if it is a skin problem, the issue should be revolving around Mercury is my point. I raised this issue as Mercury was not even mentioned in Sanjay's first mail on the topic.Regards,KrishnaOn Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Nice name! I was just making some points when trying to understand disease in astro. Yes, disease is usually a multi planet project, it isnt so simple to point finger at one planet. There is the seed , or origin, and then it manifests and grows,in the right environment due to karma, it often changes and can become a multitude of external and internal "symptoms". Many think the origin of most DIS EASE begins with the mind. Thats the value of ayurveda combined with astro, to determine where the intrinsic weak parts are, where are the imbalances,etc. Then perform remedies, change diet etc. In regards to Leucoderma, im pretty sure I read in Jaimini Sutras that Venus is connected to it. Why? I dont know, except Venus plays a role with hormones,lymph, rejuvenation( or lack thereof) But Venus by itself isnt going to be the sole planet involved. Im saying Venus must be at the root of it. Most diseases end up involving many parts of the body. Hope you understand my point. One "symptom" of lupus is a rash on the cheeks. One symptom of chicken pox is a rash. One indication of AIDS is a distinct type of skin cancer. So where are we going to look for the basis of these disease? Not at the skin, it is just one of many "symptoms". Planets, signs and houses, have multiple karaka . Hopefully you understand what i was getting at. Best wishes Lakshmi Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .com Friday, August 28, 2009 8:24:56 PMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Lakshmi, I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey. Did you want to say: - It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or - It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and Venus Please clarify. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved. When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body. Many skin problems are the result of "body chemistry" out of wack. Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues. Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue. Bottom line Many of these things overlap ( i mean karaka wise) Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it? So I see it all as inter related. See primary issue, and then secondary issue. In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause. Best wishes Lakshmi Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .com Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Sanjay, Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus. Interestingly, Dr. Charak in his book on "Essentials of Medical Astrology" puts leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better. Comments welcome. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Krishna, Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue). But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's house.In another sense Vayu tattva is "Sense object" for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions. Warm Regards,Sanjay P 2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Dear Sanjayji, Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? Regards, Krishna On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jani, Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu. We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy, Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi. Warm RegardsSanjay P2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani >>> >> Birth details of one my relative are follows. >> DOB 14/7/1972> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> Time: 20:20 Hrs>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.>> M H Jani Natal Chart July 14, 1972 Time: 20:20:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 72 E 55' 00", 20 N 51' 00" Navsari, India Altitude: 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Ashadha Tithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve) Nakshatra: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left) Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise: 6:05:28Sunset: 19:22:37 Janma Ghatis: 35.6057Ayanamsa: 23-28-21.04 Sidereal Time: 15:11:56Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp TaSun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46" Puna 3 Ge Ge Moon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26" PPha 1 Le LeMars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95" Push 4 Cn Sc Mercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10" Asre 3 Cn AqJupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92" Mool 3 Sg Ge Venus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28" Mrig 1 Ta LeSaturn - PiK 21 Ta 58' 15.19" Rohi 4 Ta CnRahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08" USha 2 Cp Cp Ketu 2 Cn 48' 03.08" Puna 4 Cn CnMaandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18" Bhar 2 Ar Vi Gulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59" Aswi 3 Ar GeBhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21" Dhan 3 Aq Li Hora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28" UPha 3 Vi AqGhati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48" Ardr 3 Ge Aq Vighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48" Rohi 1 Ta ArVarnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge Ar Sree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24" Aswi 4 Ar CnPranapada Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80" Hast 1 Vi Ar Indu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26" Hast 2 Vi TaBhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17" Bhar 4 Ar ScDhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46" Anu 3 Sc Li Vyatipata 17 Le 53' 43.54" PPha 2 Le ViParivesha 17 Aq 53' 43.54" Sata 4 Aq Pi Indra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46" Rohi 1 Ta ArUpaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46" Mrig 2 Ta Vi Kaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04" Mrig 3 Ge LiMrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34" Srav 1 Cp Ar Artha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48" Dhan 3 Aq LiYama Ghantaka 28 Aq 41' 23.20" PBha 3 Aq GePrana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14" Reva 2 Pi Cp Deha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71" Bhar 2 Ar ViMrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61" PPha 3 Le Li Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45" UPha 2 Vi CpTriSphuta 8 Ge 51' 28.97" Ardr 1 Ge Sg ChatusSphuta 7 Vi 37' 45.43" UPha 4 Vi PiPanchaSphuta 10 Ge 25' 48.50" Ardr 2 Ge Cp V2 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi TaV3 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li LeV4 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Vi V5 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq SgV6 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta Ta V7 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge ArV8 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi Ta V9 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li SgV10 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Vi V11 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq LeV12 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta Ta Kunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81" Krit 4 Ta Pi+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + | |Md Gk |Ve Sa |Su GL || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | | | |Ma Me || | |Ke | | | | || | | || | | | |----------- | Rasi |----------- ||As Ra | |Mo || | | | | | | || | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | |JuR | | |HL AL || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +| | |As |Su JuR | | | | |Gk || | | | | | | | | || | | | | |----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- ||Me HL | |Sa Ke | |GL | | || | | || | | | | | Navamsa | ||----------- | |----------- | |Ra | D-9 |Mo Ve || | |AL | | | | || | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | | |Ma | |Md || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + Vimsottari Dasa (): Ven Ven 1967-10-10 Sun 1971-02-05 Moon 1972-02-05 Mars 1973-10-09 Rah 1974-12-08 Jup 1977-12-08 Sat 1980-08-08 Merc 1983-10-10 Ket 1986-08-09 Sun Sun 1987-10-10 Moon 1988-01-25 Mars 1988-07-27 Rah 1988-12-02 Jup 1989-10-27 Sat 1990-08-15 Merc 1991-07-28 Ket 1992-05-31 Ven 1992-10-09 Moon Moon 1993-10-09 Mars 1994-08-09 Rah 1995-03-07 Jup 1996-09-09 Sat 1998-01-07 Merc 1999-08-09 Ket 2001-01-06 Ven 2001-08-09 Sun 2003-04-06 Mars Mars 2003-10-10 Rah 2004-03-03 Jup 2005-03-22 Sat 2006-02-26 Merc 2007-04-06 Ket 2008-04-03 Ven 2008-09-02 Sun 2009-11-03 Moon 2010-03-07 Rah Rah 2010-10-10 Jup 2013-06-19 Sat 2015-11-15 Merc 2018-09-21 Ket 2021-04-06 Ven 2022-04-25 Sun 2025-04-24 Moon 2026-03-19 Mars 2027-09-22 Jup Jup 2028-10-09 Sat 2030-11-27 Merc 2033-06-07 Ket 2035-09-16 Ven 2036-08-21 Sun 2039-04-19 Moon 2040-02-06 Mars 2041-06-07 Rah 2042-05-13 Sat Sat 2044-10-09 Merc 2047-10-13 Ket 2050-06-20 Ven 2051-07-31 Sun 2054-10-01 Moon 2055-09-13 Mars 2057-04-09 Rah 2058-05-20 Jup 2061-03-25 Merc Merc 2063-10-10 Ket 2066-03-04 Ven 2067-03-02 Sun 2070-01-01 Moon 2070-11-09 Mars 2072-04-06 Rah 2073-04-03 Jup 2075-10-25 Sat 2078-01-28 Ket Ket 2080-10-10 Ven 2081-03-04 Sun 2082-05-04 Moon 2082-09-13 Mars 2083-04-10 Rah 2083-09-10 Jup 2084-09-28 Sat 2085-09-03 Merc 2086-10-13 Need mail bonding? 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Guest guest Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Dear Michal, It depends on how one is looking at the problem. From my perspective, the native will not be able to digest Gluten etc., after the damage is caused. And, Gluten by itself does not cause the damage to start with. Hence, what you are describing as the cause is an after effect of having the damage already in place. What causes the damage is the autoimmune reaction in the first place. Dear Maja, Yes, I am the same SY SY... person :-) Virgo has two malefic aspects and not just one. Both Mars and Ketu aspect Virgo. And, it is a good observation from Amit that Mercury is conjunct (and combust by) 8th lord Sun. In addition, Mercury occupies 8th house from Virgo. It is evident that Virgo, 6H and Mercury are all  afflicted. Regards, KrishnaOn Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:55 AM, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:  Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Maja and Krishna,Coeliac disease is caused by a reaction to gliadin, a gluten protein found in wheat So is Sun not the culprit as Sun is karaka for wheat? Something external the body cannot digest - we have to look at 6th house. Lagnesh is in the 6th house for a start and it is Saturn. (Interestingly this will cause the AL to fall in the 11th house and thus Lagnesh is in the 8th from AL). In the chart provided Sun is 8th lord. When the 8th lord has anything to do with 6th house or lord it can give chronic digestive disease. Here Sun is conjoined 6th lord Mercury and in the 8th house from Moon - confirming the health issue. Narayana dasa of Leo was just running.Regards,Michal Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 sohamsa Sent: Monday, 31 August, 2009 9:42:46 PM Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem  Dear Maja,Frankly, when I first opened the chart, I too looked at Venus, as it is in Rahu-Ketu axis and also aspected by Marsand in papakartari. This could have its own ramifications at the appropriate time and may not be relevant to Celiac Disorder. I googled to get some details on Celiac disorder. From what I understand, I don't think it is a problem related to Mars, though it is a digestive disorder. The small intestine is affected and is unable to absorb some of the nutrients. Since it is the small intestine, one should look at the 6th house and the sign Virgo. In this case, the lord of both 6th house and Virgo both is Mercury. Mercury is combust and also disposits Saturn. Mercury and Rahu have a common dispositor and Saturn is in the nakshatra of Rahu, one can assume that rahu affects Mercury as well. The problem is on the lining of the small intestine which has some functions akin to skin also. That too calls for a look at Mercury as well. This is not a conclusion but my preliminary line of analysis. I need to look at more charts (thanks to Tarun for providing more charts and I am yet to take a look at them).Regards, KrishnaOn Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:  Om Gurave NamahDear Krishnamurthy, namaste(Heh, got me! I forgot origin of my name for a moment. This is Hebrew for " water " also For a start, here is Celiac disorder native:DOB: 25th of April 1975TOB: 01:44 AMPOB: 20 E 30, 44 N 50 Time zone is 01h East of GMTYou should get Makara lagna in Rasi chart and Kark lagna in Navamsa. Now tell me honestly, would you ever say that this native is suffering serious problems with digestion after quick peek on her chart (native is female)? I would never guess without knowing it in advance. I would probably bet on Sukra related issues (ovaries for example) because it is joined with badhakesh. Yet true, Rahu is in Badhakstan, so this could include a.i. disorders. In parivartana with Mangal... would you take this Mangal in consideration for agni7digestion?Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem sohamsa@ .comSunday, August 30, 2009, 7:46 AM  Dear Maja,Another good name :-)You are correct that in case of autoimmune diseases the nodes play an important role. In fact, I have already documented that Rahu plays an important role in Juvenile Diabetes which is again caused due to autoimmune reaction. Though I don't have much exposure on all the three diseases that you have mentioned, it would be interesting to study them from autoimmune angle.Regards,Krishna On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:  Om Gurave NamahDear Lakshmi and Krishnamurthy, namaste(two wonderful names indeed Your discussion made me think over some examples of " root cause " and manifestation of disease. Celiac syndrome (gluten allergy)-main symptom is located on intestine.Asthma - lungsVitiligo-skin All above mentioned belongs to group of autoimmune diseases (most of opinions at least agree on this being main factor). Last info I got related to this type of diseases was that nodes should signify this disorder (what do you think?). Number and variety of autoimmune disorders is growing more and more each day (there is opinion that vaccines are root cause for this " global epidemic " ), so my question is: how to make difference between root cause and obvious symptom in chart? I have chart examples for all 3 mentioned. Would you join me to go through them together? Warm Regards to both,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problemsohamsa@ .comFriday, August 28, 2009, 9:51 PM  Dear Lakshmi,Yours is a good name too :-)Thanks for taking time to explain and clarify my question.OK, I understand your view point now. Your point is - Venus is the primary cause for leucoderma. And, you also agree that we should look beyond Venus to confirm the disease. Fair enough. Thanks for expressing your views. My logic was that unless the dhatu (Mercury) is weak/afflicted, it may not carry a disease related to it even if other related planets are afflicted. Of course, skin could have multiple types of diseases depending upon what all planets are involved. But, if it is a skin problem, the issue should be revolving around Mercury is my point. I raised this issue as Mercury was not even mentioned in Sanjay's first mail on the topic.Regards,KrishnaOn Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:  Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Nice name!  I was just making some points when trying to understand disease in astro.  Yes, disease is usually a multi planet project, it isnt so simple to point finger at one planet.  There is the seed , or origin,  and then it manifests and grows,in the right environment due to karma, it often changes and can become a multitude of external and internal " symptoms " . Many think the origin of most DIS EASE begins with the mind.  Thats the value of ayurveda combined with astro, to determine where the intrinsic weak parts are,  where are the imbalances,etc. Then perform remedies, change diet etc. In regards to Leucoderma, im pretty sure I read in Jaimini Sutras that Venus is connected to it. Why? I dont know, except Venus plays a role with hormones,lymph, rejuvenation( or lack thereof) But Venus by itself isnt going to be the sole planet involved.  Im saying Venus must be at the root of it.  Most diseases end up involving many parts of the body. Hope you understand my point. One " symptom " of lupus is a rash on the cheeks. One symptom of chicken pox is a rash. One indication of AIDS is a distinct type of skin cancer. So where are we going to look for the basis of these disease? Not at the skin, it is just one of many " symptoms " . Planets, signs and houses, have multiple karaka . Hopefully you understand what i was getting at. Best wishes Lakshmi     Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .com Friday, August 28, 2009 8:24:56 PMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem  Dear Lakshmi, I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey. Did you want to say: - It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or - It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and Venus Please clarify. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:  Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved. When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body.  Many skin problems are the result of " body chemistry " out of wack. Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues. Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue.  Bottom line Many of these things overlap ( i mean karaka wise)  Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it? So I see it all as inter related. See primary issue, and then secondary issue. In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause. Best wishes Lakshmi    Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .com Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem  Dear Sanjay, Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus. Interestingly, Dr. Charak in his book on " Essentials of Medical Astrology " puts  leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out  leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better. Comments welcome. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote:  || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Krishna, Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue). But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's house.In another sense Vayu tattva is " Sense object " for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions. Warm Regards,Sanjay P 2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Dear Sanjayji, Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? Regards, Krishna On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote:  || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jani, Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu. We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy, Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi. Warm RegardsSanjay P2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani >>>  >> Birth details of one my relative are follows. >> DOB 14/7/1972> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> Time: 20:20 Hrs>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.>> M H Jani Natal Chart     July 14, 1972 Time:      20:20:00Time Zone:   5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place:     72 E 55' 00 " , 20 N 51' 00 "        Navsari, India Altitude:    0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo:  Paridhavi - Ashadha Tithi:     Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve) Nakshatra:   Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)Yoga:      Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left) Karana:     Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)Hora Lord:   Venus (5 min sign: Cn) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)Kaala Lord:   Mars (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise:    6:05:28Sunset:     19:22:37 Janma Ghatis:  35.6057Ayanamsa:    23-28-21.04 Sidereal Time: 15:11:56Body         Longitude     Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna        14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav    2   Cp  TaSun - AK       28 Ge 46' 16.46 " Puna    3   Ge  Ge Moon - GK      16 Le 30' 41.26 " PPha    1   Le  LeMars - PK      16 Cn 39' 20.95 " Push    4   Cn  Sc Mercury - MK     24 Cn 45' 21.10 " Asre    3   Cn  AqJupiter ® - DK   7 Sg 33' 17.92 " Mool    3   Sg  Ge Venus - BK      25 Ta 10' 43.28 " Mrig    1   Ta  LeSaturn - PiK     21 Ta 58' 15.19 " Rohi    4   Ta  CnRahu - AmK      2 Cp 48' 03.08 " USha    2   Cp  Cp Ketu         2 Cn 48' 03.08 " Puna    4   Cn  CnMaandi        19 Ar 25' 49.18 " Bhar    2   Ar  Vi Gulika        7 Ar 26' 28.59 " Aswi    3   Ar  GeBhava Lagna      1 Aq 50' 22.21 " Dhan    3   Aq  Li Hora Lagna      5 Vi 28' 25.28 " UPha    3   Vi  AqGhati Lagna     16 Ge 22' 34.48 " Ardr    3   Ge  Aq Vighati Lagna    10 Ta 53' 20.48 " Rohi    1   Ta  ArVarnada Lagna    14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr    3   Ge  Ar Sree Lagna      10 Ar 42' 53.24 " Aswi    4   Ar  CnPranapada Lagna   11 Vi 27' 17.80 " Hast    1   Vi  Ar Indu Lagna      16 Vi 30' 41.26 " Hast    2   Vi  TaBhrigu Bindu     24 Ar 39' 22.17 " Bhar    4   Ar  ScDhooma        12 Sc 06' 16.46 " Anu    3   Sc  Li Vyatipata      17 Le 53' 43.54 " PPha    2   Le  ViParivesha      17 Aq 53' 43.54 " Sata    4   Aq  Pi Indra Chapa     12 Ta 06' 16.46 " Rohi    1   Ta  ArUpaketu       28 Ta 46' 16.46 " Mrig    2   Ta  Vi Kaala         1 Ge 04' 56.04 " Mrig    3   Ge  LiMrityu        10 Cp 12' 36.34 " Srav    1   Cp  Ar Artha Prahara     3 Aq 14' 51.48 " Dhan    3   Aq  LiYama Ghantaka    28 Aq 41' 23.20 " PBha    3   Aq  GePrana Sphuta     21 Pi 58' 04.14 " Reva    2   Pi  Cp Deha Sphuta     19 Ar 31' 58.71 " Bhar    2   Ar  ViMrityu Sphuta    20 Le 51' 36.61 " PPha    3   Le  Li Sookshma TriSphuta  2 Vi 21' 39.45 " UPha    2   Vi  CpTriSphuta       8 Ge 51' 28.97 " Ardr    1   Ge  Sg ChatusSphuta     7 Vi 37' 45.43 " UPha    4   Vi  PiPanchaSphuta     10 Ge 25' 48.50 " Ardr    2   Ge  Cp V2          14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast    2   Vi  TaV3          14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat    3   Li  LeV4          14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav    2   Cp  Vi V5          14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata    3   Aq  SgV6          14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi    2   Ta  Ta V7          14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr    3   Ge  ArV8          14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast    2   Vi  Ta V9          14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat    3 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Guest guest Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Om Gurave NamahDear Michal, namasteI do see a point in first paragraph of your email. Everything I write in my replies, please understand it as a big question, even though there is no question mark. It is loud thinking. Because this protein is typical for wheat, we should probably take Sy in consideration after all. But Krishnamurthy gave a very good point there in reply to us: wheat is not causing this problem. I will add one question to this in next reply.You were saying: "Badhakesh is for unseen problems that are drastic and shocking (like Rahu)." You just gave definition how it started. When first symptoms of celiac syndrome appear it is not so easy to give correct diagnosis. It is very shocking, drastic, weight loosing, swelling, elimination of everything one eats without absorption etc. Think of suffering this havoc for almost two months and listening to wrong diagnosys, even cancer at one point. This is one of the easiest illnesses she was experiencing so far. All of them were "drastic, shocking" and hard for determining correct diagnosis (or she was very "lucky" with choice of MD every time). I will have to ask what was the illness for which doctors told her she is about to die and they are powerless to help her (that was decade ago). That is why I was not giving up adding Rahu and Badhakstan to this story. My initial question was: should we just search karaka for autoimmune disease in chart, or stick to symptoms and karaka for area where they appear? I see both in this chart. Am I alone in this?Autoimmune diseases are not so simple as they may appear at first. Why there is no standard therapy which can bring to complete healing? "Celiac disease is quite standard, easily understood (diagnosed), and easily managed. " Only if you don't eat wheat. There is no other way known to allopathic medicine to manage it. This can manage symptomes, but can not cancel the cause.Classifying it as autoimmune disease is not a big discovery. It is easy to explain physiological background of what is happening during allergic reaction, but this is not including root cause (we are not all alergic). Problem is to determine which factors unleash this reaction of immune system (I am not aiming on allergen). Bottom line, it is still unknown. Do you notice any similarity with Rahu?Warm Regards,Maja Strbac--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:Michal Dziwulski <nearmichalRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problemsohamsa Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 6:41 PM Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Maja,There is protein in milk and peanuts. When we are dealing with the level of the graha should we look at the foods represented by them or microscopic levels they represent?In this case I am more inclined to look at 8th lord Sun. Badhakesh is for unseen problems that are drastic and shocking (like Rahu). Celiac disease is quite standard, easily understood (diagnosed), and easily managed. With this being the case why do you insist on looking at badhakstan? Perhaps the person has other health problems that may be due to this. Nodes on 1/7 axis definitely gives stomach problems but not necessarily celiac disease.Regards,MichalMaja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ >sohamsa@ .comTuesday, 1 September, 2009 12:33:16 PMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Om Gurave NamahDear Michal, namasteOne little detail, it can be relevant: Surya is karaka for wheat, but karaka for proteins is Mangal (I can point you to recent lessons where Sanjay was mentioning this). 6th and 8th lords joined-giving digestion related problems sounds pretty much common sense to me (as additional factor along with lagnesh in 6th. Celiac syndrome is not one and only serious health problem she was experiencing until nowadays), but I still see big Rahu/mangal parivartana "screaming" from badhakstan aspecting Lagna (health) by Rasi dristi. I just can't skip this part.Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal > wrote: Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal >Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problemsohamsa@ .comMonday, August 31, 2009, 3:25 PM Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Maja and Krishna,Coeliac disease is caused by a reaction to gliadin, a gluten protein found in wheatSo is Sun not the culprit as Sun is karaka for wheat? Something external the body cannot digest - we have to look at 6th house. Lagnesh is in the 6th house for a start and it is Saturn. (Interestingly this will cause the AL to fall in the 11th house and thus Lagnesh is in the 8th from AL).In the chart provided Sun is 8th lord. When the 8th lord has anything to do with 6th house or lord it can give chronic digestive disease. Here Sun is conjoined 6th lord Mercury and in the 8th house from Moon - confirming the health issue. Narayana dasa of Leo was just running.Regards,MichalKrishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .comMonday, 31 August, 2009 9:42:46 PMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Maja,Frankly, when I first opened the chart, I too looked at Venus, as it is in Rahu-Ketu axis and also aspected by Marsand in papakartari. This could have its own ramifications at the appropriate time and may not be relevant to Celiac Disorder. I googled to get some details on Celiac disorder. From what I understand, I don't think it is a problem related to Mars, though it is a digestive disorder. The small intestine is affected and is unable to absorb some of the nutrients. Since it is the small intestine, one should look at the 6th house and the sign Virgo. In this case, the lord of both 6th house and Virgo both is Mercury. Mercury is combust and also disposits Saturn. Mercury and Rahu have a common dispositor and Saturn is in the nakshatra of Rahu, one can assume that rahu affects Mercury as well. The problem is on the lining of the small intestine which has some functions akin to skin also. That too calls for a look at Mercury as well. This is not a conclusion but my preliminary line of analysis. I need to look at more charts (thanks to Tarun for providing more charts and I am yet to take a look at them).Regards, KrishnaOn Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Krishnamurthy, namaste(Heh, got me! I forgot origin of my name for a moment. This is Hebrew for "water" also For a start, here is Celiac disorder native:DOB: 25th of April 1975TOB: 01:44 AMPOB: 20 E 30, 44 N 50 Time zone is 01h East of GMTYou should get Makara lagna in Rasi chart and Kark lagna in Navamsa. Now tell me honestly, would you ever say that this native is suffering serious problems with digestion after quick peek on her chart (native is female)? I would never guess without knowing it in advance. I would probably bet on Sukra related issues (ovaries for example) because it is joined with badhakesh. Yet true, Rahu is in Badhakstan, so this could include a.i. disorders. In parivartana with Mangal... would you take this Mangal in consideration for agni7digestion?Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem sohamsa@ .comSunday, August 30, 2009, 7:46 AM Dear Maja,Another good name :-)You are correct that in case of autoimmune diseases the nodes play an important role. In fact, I have already documented that Rahu plays an important role in Juvenile Diabetes which is again caused due to autoimmune reaction. Though I don't have much exposure on all the three diseases that you have mentioned, it would be interesting to study them from autoimmune angle.Regards,Krishna On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Lakshmi and Krishnamurthy, namaste(two wonderful names indeed Your discussion made me think over some examples of "root cause" and manifestation of disease. Celiac syndrome (gluten allergy)-main symptom is located on intestine.Asthma - lungsVitiligo-skin All above mentioned belongs to group of autoimmune diseases (most of opinions at least agree on this being main factor). Last info I got related to this type of diseases was that nodes should signify this disorder (what do you think?). Number and variety of autoimmune disorders is growing more and more each day (there is opinion that vaccines are root cause for this "global epidemic"), so my question is: how to make difference between root cause and obvious symptom in chart? I have chart examples for all 3 mentioned. Would you join me to go through them together? Warm Regards to both,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problemsohamsa@ .comFriday, August 28, 2009, 9:51 PM Dear Lakshmi,Yours is a good name too :-)Thanks for taking time to explain and clarify my question.OK, I understand your view point now. Your point is - Venus is the primary cause for leucoderma. And, you also agree that we should look beyond Venus to confirm the disease. Fair enough. Thanks for expressing your views. My logic was that unless the dhatu (Mercury) is weak/afflicted, it may not carry a disease related to it even if other related planets are afflicted. Of course, skin could have multiple types of diseases depending upon what all planets are involved. But, if it is a skin problem, the issue should be revolving around Mercury is my point. I raised this issue as Mercury was not even mentioned in Sanjay's first mail on the topic.Regards,KrishnaOn Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Nice name! I was just making some points when trying to understand disease in astro. Yes, disease is usually a multi planet project, it isnt so simple to point finger at one planet. There is the seed , or origin, and then it manifests and grows,in the right environment due to karma, it often changes and can become a multitude of external and internal "symptoms". Many think the origin of most DIS EASE begins with the mind. Thats the value of ayurveda combined with astro, to determine where the intrinsic weak parts are, where are the imbalances,etc. Then perform remedies, change diet etc. In regards to Leucoderma, im pretty sure I read in Jaimini Sutras that Venus is connected to it. Why? I dont know, except Venus plays a role with hormones,lymph, rejuvenation( or lack thereof) But Venus by itself isnt going to be the sole planet involved. Im saying Venus must be at the root of it. Most diseases end up involving many parts of the body. Hope you understand my point. One "symptom" of lupus is a rash on the cheeks. One symptom of chicken pox is a rash. One indication of AIDS is a distinct type of skin cancer. So where are we going to look for the basis of these disease? Not at the skin, it is just one of many "symptoms". Planets, signs and houses, have multiple karaka . Hopefully you understand what i was getting at. Best wishes Lakshmi Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .com Friday, August 28, 2009 8:24:56 PMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Lakshmi, I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey. Did you want to say: - It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or - It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and Venus Please clarify. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved. When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body. Many skin problems are the result of "body chemistry" out of wack. Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues. Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue. Bottom line Many of these things overlap ( i mean karaka wise) Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it? So I see it all as inter related. See primary issue, and then secondary issue. In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause. Best wishes Lakshmi Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .com Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Sanjay, Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus. Interestingly, Dr. Charak in his book on "Essentials of Medical Astrology" puts leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better. Comments welcome. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Krishna, Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue). But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's house.In another sense Vayu tattva is "Sense object" for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions. Warm Regards,Sanjay P 2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Dear Sanjayji, Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? Regards, Krishna On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jani, Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu. We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy, Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi. Warm RegardsSanjay P2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani >>> >> Birth details of one my relative are follows. >> DOB 14/7/1972> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> Time: 20:20 Hrs>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.>> M H Jani Natal Chart July 14, 1972 Time: 20:20:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 72 E 55' 00", 20 N 51' 00" Navsari, India Altitude: 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Ashadha Tithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve) Nakshatra: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left) Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise: 6:05:28Sunset: 19:22:37 Janma Ghatis: 35.6057Ayanamsa: 23-28-21.04 Sidereal Time: 15:11:56Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp TaSun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46" Puna 3 Ge Ge Moon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26" PPha 1 Le LeMars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95" Push 4 Cn Sc Mercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10" Asre 3 Cn AqJupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92" Mool 3 Sg Ge Venus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28" Mrig 1 Ta LeSaturn - PiK 21 Ta 58' 15.19" Rohi 4 Ta CnRahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08" USha 2 Cp Cp Ketu 2 Cn 48' 03.08" Puna 4 Cn CnMaandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18" Bhar 2 Ar Vi Gulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59" Aswi 3 Ar GeBhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21" Dhan 3 Aq Li Hora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28" UPha 3 Vi AqGhati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48" Ardr 3 Ge Aq Vighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48" Rohi 1 Ta ArVarnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge Ar Sree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24" Aswi 4 Ar CnPranapada Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80" Hast 1 Vi Ar Indu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26" Hast 2 Vi TaBhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17" Bhar 4 Ar ScDhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46" Anu 3 Sc Li Vyatipata 17 Le 53' 43.54" PPha 2 Le ViParivesha 17 Aq 53' 43.54" Sata 4 Aq Pi Indra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46" Rohi 1 Ta ArUpaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46" Mrig 2 Ta Vi Kaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04" Mrig 3 Ge LiMrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34" Srav 1 Cp Ar Artha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48" Dhan 3 Aq LiYama Ghantaka 28 Aq 41' 23.20" PBha 3 Aq GePrana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14" Reva 2 Pi Cp Deha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71" Bhar 2 Ar ViMrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61" PPha 3 Le Li Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45" UPha 2 Vi CpTriSphuta 8 Ge 51' 28.97" Ardr 1 Ge Sg ChatusSphuta 7 Vi 37' 45.43" UPha 4 Vi PiPanchaSphuta 10 Ge 25' 48.50" Ardr 2 Ge Cp V2 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi TaV3 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li LeV4 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Vi V5 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq SgV6 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta Ta V7 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge ArV8 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi Ta V9 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li SgV10 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Vi V11 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq LeV12 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta Ta Kunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81" Krit 4 Ta Pi+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + | |Md Gk |Ve Sa |Su GL || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | | | |Ma Me || | |Ke | | | | || | | || | | | |----------- | Rasi |----------- ||As Ra | |Mo || | | | | | | || | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | |JuR | | |HL AL || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +| | |As |Su JuR | | | | |Gk || | | | | | | | | || | | | | |----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- ||Me HL | |Sa Ke | |GL | | || | | || | | | | | Navamsa | ||----------- | |----------- | |Ra | D-9 |Mo Ve || | |AL | | | | || | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | | |Ma | |Md || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + Vimsottari Dasa (): Ven Ven 1967-10-10 Sun 1971-02-05 Moon 1972-02-05 Mars 1973-10-09 Rah 1974-12-08 Jup 1977-12-08 Sat 1980-08-08 Merc 1983-10-10 Ket 1986-08-09 Sun Sun 1987-10-10 Moon 1988-01-25 Mars 1988-07-27 Rah 1988-12-02 Jup 1989-10-27 Sat 1990-08-15 Merc 1991-07-28 Ket 1992-05-31 Ven 1992-10-09 Moon Moon 1993-10-09 Mars 1994-08-09 Rah 1995-03-07 Jup 1996-09-09 Sat 1998-01-07 Merc 1999-08-09 Ket 2001-01-06 Ven 2001-08-09 Sun 2003-04-06 Mars Mars 2003-10-10 Rah 2004-03-03 Jup 2005-03-22 Sat 2006-02-26 Merc 2007-04-06 Ket 2008-04-03 Ven 2008-09-02 Sun 2009-11-03 Moon 2010-03-07 Rah Rah 2010-10-10 Jup 2013-06-19 Sat 2015-11-15 Merc 2018-09-21 Ket 2021-04-06 Ven 2022-04-25 Sun 2025-04-24 Moon 2026-03-19 Mars 2027-09-22 Jup Jup 2028-10-09 Sat 2030-11-27 Merc 2033-06-07 Ket 2035-09-16 Ven 2036-08-21 Sun 2039-04-19 Moon 2040-02-06 Mars 2041-06-07 Rah 2042-05-13 Sat Sat 2044-10-09 Merc 2047-10-13 Ket 2050-06-20 Ven 2051-07-31 Sun 2054-10-01 Moon 2055-09-13 Mars 2057-04-09 Rah 2058-05-20 Jup 2061-03-25 Merc Merc 2063-10-10 Ket 2066-03-04 Ven 2067-03-02 Sun 2070-01-01 Moon 2070-11-09 Mars 2072-04-06 Rah 2073-04-03 Jup 2075-10-25 Sat 2078-01-28 Ket Ket 2080-10-10 Ven 2081-03-04 Sun 2082-05-04 Moon 2082-09-13 Mars 2083-04-10 Rah 2083-09-10 Jup 2084-09-28 Sat 2085-09-03 Merc 2086-10-13 Need mail bonding? 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Guest guest Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Krishna,It is the earth that revolves around the Sun. Nevertheless we take the geocentric viewpoint. So you are right, scientifically it is a problem in the person's digestion tract, but experientially it is a problem with gluten. So which do we use? It is like chicken and egg situation - which came first?For a person with celiac disorder, they are fine as long as they don't eat wheat (Sun). When they see a loaf of bread they say no thanks. This is how it is manifesting in their experiential world. That the doctor tells them about this protein and this immune system is something secondary as far as they're concerned because the primary thing the doctor tells them is don't eat anything which contains gluten. So when we look at the chart we need to be clear what we are looking at ie. which level are we going to. Autoimmune disorders are extremely complicated - even doctors who train for years can't do anything about them - so what could I possibly do? I see the person is having a problem with the Sun, and there are remedies for this. Gluten intolerance is just a physical manifestation of a karmic problem.Regards,MichalKrishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58sohamsa Sent: Tuesday, 1 September, 2009 4:56:56 PMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Michal, It depends on how one is looking at the problem. From my perspective, the native will not be able to digest Gluten etc., after the damage is caused. And, Gluten by itself does not cause the damage to start with. Hence, what you are describing as the cause is an after effect of having the damage already in place. What causes the damage is the autoimmune reaction in the first place. Dear Maja, Yes, I am the same SY SY... person :-) Virgo has two malefic aspects and not just one. Both Mars and Ketu aspect Virgo. And, it is a good observation from Amit that Mercury is conjunct (and combust by) 8th lord Sun. In addition, Mercury occupies 8th house from Virgo. It is evident that Virgo, 6H and Mercury are all afflicted. Regards, KrishnaOn Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:55 AM, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal > wrote: Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Maja and Krishna,Coeliac disease is caused by a reaction to gliadin, a gluten protein found in wheat So is Sun not the culprit as Sun is karaka for wheat? Something external the body cannot digest - we have to look at 6th house. Lagnesh is in the 6th house for a start and it is Saturn. (Interestingly this will cause the AL to fall in the 11th house and thus Lagnesh is in the 8th from AL). In the chart provided Sun is 8th lord. When the 8th lord has anything to do with 6th house or lord it can give chronic digestive disease. Here Sun is conjoined 6th lord Mercury and in the 8th house from Moon - confirming the health issue. Narayana dasa of Leo was just running.Regards,Michal Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> sohamsa@ .comMonday, 31 August, 2009 9:42:46 PM Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Maja,Frankly, when I first opened the chart, I too looked at Venus, as it is in Rahu-Ketu axis and also aspected by Marsand in papakartari. This could have its own ramifications at the appropriate time and may not be relevant to Celiac Disorder. I googled to get some details on Celiac disorder. From what I understand, I don't think it is a problem related to Mars, though it is a digestive disorder. The small intestine is affected and is unable to absorb some of the nutrients. Since it is the small intestine, one should look at the 6th house and the sign Virgo. In this case, the lord of both 6th house and Virgo both is Mercury. Mercury is combust and also disposits Saturn. Mercury and Rahu have a common dispositor and Saturn is in the nakshatra of Rahu, one can assume that rahu affects Mercury as well. The problem is on the lining of the small intestine which has some functions akin to skin also. That too calls for a look at Mercury as well. This is not a conclusion but my preliminary line of analysis. I need to look at more charts (thanks to Tarun for providing more charts and I am yet to take a look at them).Regards, KrishnaOn Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Krishnamurthy, namaste(Heh, got me! I forgot origin of my name for a moment. This is Hebrew for "water" also For a start, here is Celiac disorder native:DOB: 25th of April 1975TOB: 01:44 AMPOB: 20 E 30, 44 N 50 Time zone is 01h East of GMTYou should get Makara lagna in Rasi chart and Kark lagna in Navamsa. Now tell me honestly, would you ever say that this native is suffering serious problems with digestion after quick peek on her chart (native is female)? I would never guess without knowing it in advance. I would probably bet on Sukra related issues (ovaries for example) because it is joined with badhakesh. Yet true, Rahu is in Badhakstan, so this could include a.i. disorders. In parivartana with Mangal... would you take this Mangal in consideration for agni7digestion?Warm Regards,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem sohamsa@ .comSunday, August 30, 2009, 7:46 AM Dear Maja,Another good name :-)You are correct that in case of autoimmune diseases the nodes play an important role. In fact, I have already documented that Rahu plays an important role in Juvenile Diabetes which is again caused due to autoimmune reaction. Though I don't have much exposure on all the three diseases that you have mentioned, it would be interesting to study them from autoimmune angle.Regards,Krishna On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Lakshmi and Krishnamurthy, namaste(two wonderful names indeed Your discussion made me think over some examples of "root cause" and manifestation of disease. Celiac syndrome (gluten allergy)-main symptom is located on intestine.Asthma - lungsVitiligo-skin All above mentioned belongs to group of autoimmune diseases (most of opinions at least agree on this being main factor). Last info I got related to this type of diseases was that nodes should signify this disorder (what do you think?). Number and variety of autoimmune disorders is growing more and more each day (there is opinion that vaccines are root cause for this "global epidemic"), so my question is: how to make difference between root cause and obvious symptom in chart? I have chart examples for all 3 mentioned. Would you join me to go through them together? Warm Regards to both,Maja StrbacHari Om Tat Sat--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problemsohamsa@ .comFriday, August 28, 2009, 9:51 PM Dear Lakshmi,Yours is a good name too :-)Thanks for taking time to explain and clarify my question.OK, I understand your view point now. Your point is - Venus is the primary cause for leucoderma. And, you also agree that we should look beyond Venus to confirm the disease. Fair enough. Thanks for expressing your views. My logic was that unless the dhatu (Mercury) is weak/afflicted, it may not carry a disease related to it even if other related planets are afflicted. Of course, skin could have multiple types of diseases depending upon what all planets are involved. But, if it is a skin problem, the issue should be revolving around Mercury is my point. I raised this issue as Mercury was not even mentioned in Sanjay's first mail on the topic.Regards,KrishnaOn Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Nice name! I was just making some points when trying to understand disease in astro. Yes, disease is usually a multi planet project, it isnt so simple to point finger at one planet. There is the seed , or origin, and then it manifests and grows,in the right environment due to karma, it often changes and can become a multitude of external and internal "symptoms". Many think the origin of most DIS EASE begins with the mind. Thats the value of ayurveda combined with astro, to determine where the intrinsic weak parts are, where are the imbalances,etc. Then perform remedies, change diet etc. In regards to Leucoderma, im pretty sure I read in Jaimini Sutras that Venus is connected to it. Why? I dont know, except Venus plays a role with hormones,lymph, rejuvenation( or lack thereof) But Venus by itself isnt going to be the sole planet involved. Im saying Venus must be at the root of it. Most diseases end up involving many parts of the body. Hope you understand my point. One "symptom" of lupus is a rash on the cheeks. One symptom of chicken pox is a rash. One indication of AIDS is a distinct type of skin cancer. So where are we going to look for the basis of these disease? Not at the skin, it is just one of many "symptoms". Planets, signs and houses, have multiple karaka . Hopefully you understand what i was getting at. Best wishes Lakshmi Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .com Friday, August 28, 2009 8:24:56 PMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Lakshmi, I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey. Did you want to say: - It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or - It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and Venus Please clarify. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Krishnamurthy, Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved. When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body. Many skin problems are the result of "body chemistry" out of wack. Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues. Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue. Bottom line Many of these things overlap ( i mean karaka wise) Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it? So I see it all as inter related. See primary issue, and then secondary issue. In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause. Best wishes Lakshmi Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .com Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AMRe: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem Dear Sanjay, Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus. Interestingly, Dr. Charak in his book on "Essentials of Medical Astrology" puts leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better. Comments welcome. Regards, Krishna On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Krishna, Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue). But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's house.In another sense Vayu tattva is "Sense object" for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions. Warm Regards,Sanjay P 2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Dear Sanjayji, Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? Regards, Krishna On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jani, Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu. We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy, Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi. Warm RegardsSanjay P2009/8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani >>> >> Birth details of one my relative are follows. >> DOB 14/7/1972> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> Time: 20:20 Hrs>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.>> M H Jani Natal Chart July 14, 1972 Time: 20:20:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 72 E 55' 00", 20 N 51' 00" Navsari, India Altitude: 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Ashadha Tithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve) Nakshatra: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left) Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn) Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise: 6:05:28Sunset: 19:22:37 Janma Ghatis: 35.6057Ayanamsa: 23-28-21.04 Sidereal Time: 15:11:56Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp TaSun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46" Puna 3 Ge Ge Moon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26" PPha 1 Le LeMars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95" Push 4 Cn Sc Mercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10" Asre 3 Cn AqJupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92" Mool 3 Sg Ge Venus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28" Mrig 1 Ta LeSaturn - PiK 21 Ta 58' 15.19" Rohi 4 Ta CnRahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08" USha 2 Cp Cp Ketu 2 Cn 48' 03.08" Puna 4 Cn CnMaandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18" Bhar 2 Ar Vi Gulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59" Aswi 3 Ar GeBhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21" Dhan 3 Aq Li Hora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28" UPha 3 Vi AqGhati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48" Ardr 3 Ge Aq Vighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48" Rohi 1 Ta ArVarnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge Ar Sree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24" Aswi 4 Ar CnPranapada Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80" Hast 1 Vi Ar Indu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26" Hast 2 Vi TaBhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17" Bhar 4 Ar ScDhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46" Anu 3 Sc Li Vyatipata 17 Le 53' 43.54" PPha 2 Le ViParivesha 17 Aq 53' 43.54" Sata 4 Aq Pi Indra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46" Rohi 1 Ta ArUpaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46" Mrig 2 Ta Vi Kaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04" Mrig 3 Ge LiMrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34" Srav 1 Cp Ar Artha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48" Dhan 3 Aq LiYama Ghantaka 28 Aq 41' 23.20" PBha 3 Aq GePrana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14" Reva 2 Pi Cp Deha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71" Bhar 2 Ar ViMrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61" PPha 3 Le Li Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45" UPha 2 Vi CpTriSphuta 8 Ge 51' 28.97" Ardr 1 Ge Sg ChatusSphuta 7 Vi 37' 45.43" UPha 4 Vi PiPanchaSphuta 10 Ge 25' 48.50" Ardr 2 Ge Cp V2 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi TaV3 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li LeV4 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Vi V5 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq SgV6 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta Ta V7 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge ArV8 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi Ta V9 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li SgV10 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Vi V11 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq LeV12 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta Ta Kunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81" Krit 4 Ta Pi+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + | |Md Gk |Ve Sa |Su GL || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | | | |Ma Me || | |Ke | | | | || | | || | | | |----------- | Rasi |----------- ||As Ra | |Mo || | | | | | | || | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | |JuR | | |HL AL || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +| | |As |Su JuR | | | | |Gk || | | | | | | | | || | | | | |----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- ||Me HL | |Sa Ke | |GL | | || | | || | | | | | Navamsa | ||----------- | |----------- | |Ra | D-9 |Mo Ve || | |AL | | | | || | | | | | | ||----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | | |Ma | |Md || | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | |+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + Vimsottari Dasa (): Ven Ven 1967-10-10 Sun 1971-02-05 Moon 1972-02-05 Mars 1973-10-09 Rah 1974-12-08 Jup 1977-12-08 Sat 1980-08-08 Merc 1983-10-10 Ket 1986-08-09 Sun Sun 1987-10-10 Moon 1988-01-25 Mars 1988-07-27 Rah 1988-12-02 Jup 1989-10-27 Sat 1990-08-15 Merc 1991-07-28 Ket 1992-05-31 Ven 1992-10-09 Moon Moon 1993-10-09 Mars 1994-08-09 Rah 1995-03-07 Jup 1996-09-09 Sat 1998-01-07 Merc 1999-08-09 Ket 2001-01-06 Ven 2001-08-09 Sun 2003-04-06 Mars Mars 2003-10-10 Rah 2004-03-03 Jup 2005-03-22 Sat 2006-02-26 Merc 2007-04-06 Ket 2008-04-03 Ven 2008-09-02 Sun 2009-11-03 Moon 2010-03-07 Rah Rah 2010-10-10 Jup 2013-06-19 Sat 2015-11-15 Merc 2018-09-21 Ket 2021-04-06 Ven 2022-04-25 Sun 2025-04-24 Moon 2026-03-19 Mars 2027-09-22 Jup Jup 2028-10-09 Sat 2030-11-27 Merc 2033-06-07 Ket 2035-09-16 Ven 2036-08-21 Sun 2039-04-19 Moon 2040-02-06 Mars 2041-06-07 Rah 2042-05-13 Sat Sat 2044-10-09 Merc 2047-10-13 Ket 2050-06-20 Ven 2051-07-31 Sun 2054-10-01 Moon 2055-09-13 Mars 2057-04-09 Rah 2058-05-20 Jup 2061-03-25 Merc Merc 2063-10-10 Ket 2066-03-04 Ven 2067-03-02 Sun 2070-01-01 Moon 2070-11-09 Mars 2072-04-06 Rah 2073-04-03 Jup 2075-10-25 Sat 2078-01-28 Ket Ket 2080-10-10 Ven 2081-03-04 Sun 2082-05-04 Moon 2082-09-13 Mars 2083-04-10 Rah 2083-09-10 Jup 2084-09-28 Sat 2085-09-03 Merc 2086-10-13 Need mail bonding? 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