Fwd: Dating of Ramayana

September 15, 2009

Dear Bhatacharjyaji,

I have heard that there are people who affirm that parts of Bhagvatam was

written as late as 14 centtury AD. In such a case it is quite possible to have

all the rashis in Bhagvatam even if rashis were started in 285 AD.

With all the respects, Sorry to say, that your dating of historical events is

very poor indeed. Please do not be offended. No offence is intended here.If

Buddha of 6th. century B.C. is included in the Bhagvatam as an avatar and you

should be knowing that he was put as an avatar only by Adi Shankarachrya of the

8th. century AD. How can you say Bhagvatam was written in 3102 BC?

I hope I put the chronological data as short as possible.Thank you in advance

for agreeing with me.

Hari Malla

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Shri Harimalla,

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> I am not interested in your nonsensuical stories, without any substance.Â

Please give only chronological data to support what you said.Â Bhagavata purana

mentions Rashi. For your information Lord Krishna passed away in 3102 BCE and

the Bhagavata purana was recited to Arjuna's grandson, Parikshita in the 31st

century BCE. Now you show me how do you think that the ancient Hindu scholars

borrowed the Rashis from the outsiders before the 31st century BCE. Please

replyÂ in justÂ three or four sentences only and it must be toÂ the point.

> Â

> Sincerely, SKB

> Â

>

> --- On Mon, 9/14/09, harimalla <harimalla wrote:

>

> harimalla <harimalla

> Re: Fwd: Dating of Ramayan !

>

> Monday, September 14, 2009, 10:55 PM

>

> Â

>

> Dear Bhattacharjyaji,

> Namaskar!

> Please apply a little mathematics that you already know. The rashis always

started with Mesh.You know very well that mesh starts from spring equinox. The

origin of the story is well known about 'Jason and the Argonauts' hunting for

the golden fleece.This golden fleece is the fleece of the stars which is the

mesh rashi at the spring season. The fleece is representing the warm spring

season after winter, which is the western system to start spring season with the

equinox. Please check about this story from other sources too.In Kathmandu, we

have a place called horn of the Ram, which also represents the spring equinox. A

parallel name of Vasantapur is also there to represent Vasanta vishuva.

> The start of the rashis can thus be only when the ayanamsa was zero or nearby.

It has been accepted that ayanamsa was zero around 285 AD. Even if they started

the rashis with minus 10 degree ayanasma, then starting of the rashis can be say

720 years before that equinoctical date.This would be 720 minus 285 equalling to

435 BC. Please understand that before that no rashi was possible.After that the

rashis came into picture and all the puranas with the rashis are after that

time.So please consider this point very well before asserting that the rashis

were during the vedanga jyotsih time or whatever.

> Thank you,

> Hari Malla

>

> , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy

a wrote:

> >

> > Shri Harimalla,

> > Ã‚Â

> > First remove your wrong conception. On what basis did you say that rashis

are added later on? Please clarify. Kaul is a grown-up man and not a child.

Egoistic that he is he will have to take another birth to admit that rashis were

known to the Hindus in the ancient past as evidenced by its occurrence in the

Puranas very very clearly.

> > Ã‚Â

> > Sincerely ,SKB

> >

> > --- On Mon, 9/14/09, harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..>

> > Re: Fwd: Dating of Ramayan !

> >

> > Monday, September 14, 2009, 6:57 PM

> >

> > Ã‚Â

> >

> > Dear Bhattacharjyaji,

> > How do you say I am AKKAul's blind supporter when I am trying to win him to

your side by asking him to accetp the rashis. Do not be biased against some one

who is equally on your side too. It will ultimately do you no good. So kindly

subdue your one sidedness. Thanks,

> > Hari Malla

> >

> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear friends,

> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > The unsubstantiated statement " shri Kaulji is right in saying the rashis

are added later on. " isÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â simply an adulation by a blind

supporter.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > Regards,

> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 9/14/09, harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..> wrote:

> > >

> > > harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..>

> > > Fwd: Dating of Ramayan !

> > >

> > > Monday, September 14, 2009, 9:16 AM

> > >

> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > >

> > > parvasudhar2065, " harimalla@ .. " <harimalla@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear sirs,

> > > I think you are both wasting your time trying to find history in

mythology. Ram is God and his birth is the birth within our mind at a certain

configuration of the heavelnly bodies. He is not a historical person, but only

the experience of impersonal God within us.He is born within us when we try to

visualise god at certain part of the year, say around spring equinox. God is

experienced, to start with,when our eyes faces the celestial north point reduced

to punarvasu nakshyatra by the ninth day lunar position ( uttarayan lunar

postion)and When our heart embraces the rising sun during the VE(sun in

Mesh).Thus the birth of Ram is only teaching us how to experience him in our

mind.The birth of the spirit within us.

> > > similarly his voctory only teaches us how to experience God during the

autumn equinox, when the moon is in dakhinayan position ie sharadiya navaratra

with the mooon towards the junction of purva ashadha and uttar Ashadha positions

on the 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th tithis.Thus no use tryingto makehistory out of

such simple configuration of the sun, moon and the stars.

> > > Thus his birth is in lunar uttarayan positon and victory in lunar

dakhinayan position.The story of Ram is a eternal story, not an event which

occurred some time in history. So please do not waste your time, if you would

like to heed my friendly advice.shri Kaulji is right in saying the rashis are

added later on. But in my view they have been included correctly to denote the

uttarayan and dakhinayan events or configurations. This is the beauty in the

whole thing. So let us rejoice in the cultural developments, whether it is

ancient or modern as long as it solidifies our true vedic convictions, we need

not panic if rashis are included. If they are properly used let us keep them to

enhance our correct vedic beliefs.

> > > Thankyou,

> > > sincerly yours,

> > > Hari Malla

> > >

> > > HinduCalendar, " jyotirved " <jyotirved@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Shri Suresh Hattangadiji,

> > > > Namastey!

> > > > Thanks for your response.

> > > > <Mr Kaul should give his own calculations to prove that the date arrived

at is wrong and why it is wrong.>

> > > >

> > > > Nobody has his own calculatoins, not even Shri Pushkar Bhatnagar! The

Planetarium or any other software through which he has calculated the horoscope

of Bhagwan Ram etc. itself is supposed to be based on some data from some

observatory! Most probably, Mr. Bhatnagar has arrived at those planetary

conclusions through Planetariium software!

> > > > The fact that the results arrived at by Shri Bhatnagar for the date of

January 10, 5114 BCE itself are wrong has been amply demonstrated by me through

a software prepared by none other than an erudite scholar and " Vedic astrologer "

of repute viz. Shri P. V. R. Narasimha Rao, who is the owner of the largest

group of " Vedic-astrology " viz. vedic astrology- -groups and also a member

of this forum i.e. Jyotishgroup! The name of that program is JHora 7.33 and I

have specifically clarifed it that the planetary data arrived at by me for

January 10, 5114 BCE are just copied from the results of that very software! Do

you mean to say that the software by Shri Rao is useless as compared to the

software of Shri Bhatnagar, which is not his own actually?

> > > >

> > > > <Mr Kaul's post does not contain any cogent reasons but only criticism>

> > > >

> > > > To be doubly sure that I was also not arriving at my results in a hurry,

I cross-chekced the results of Shri Narasimha Rao's software i.e. J Hora 7.33

with that of Swiss Ephemeris, which is, as on date, the most accurate program

for astrological purposes of the past. Those results also tally exactly with

that of JHora 7.33. As such, what more proofs do you want that the planetary

positions arrived at by Shri Bhatnagar are wrong?

> > > >

> > > > <instead of simply dismissing the painstaking research done by others by

using the derisive language that he has used>

> > > >

> > > > In fact it is you who is dismissing the painstaking research done by

Shri Narasimha Rao apart from Swiss Ephemeris, without offering any valid proofs

yourself that the results arrived at by Shri Bhatnagar are correct and that of

the software by Shri Rao are wrong!

> > > >

> > > > <This is not acceptable I hope to others also on this list.This is not

done>

> > > >

> > > > You are right! Making such sweeping statements without even having

studied the original document properly is really not acceptable. And this

certainly is not done! I am, as such, copying below the original document again

to refresh your memory and would like to know your views especially about the

following points:

> > > > There are some impossible astrolnomical combinations in the Valmiki

Ramayana, Balakanda, Adhyaya 18, and these are: 1) If Shri Ram was born in Mesha

and Bharata in Mina, the latter would be either younger by eleven months or

older by one month to the former? How do you reconcile that?

> > > > 2. Why don't you tell the members as to how Shatrugana's and Lakshmana's

sun can be in Karkata if the Sun of Bharata is in Mina, when both the brothers

are younger to Bharata hardly by a day or so?

> > > > 3. Then again, how can sun be in Mesha, Moon in Karkata and it be

simultaneously Punarvasu nakshatra and Navmi tithi?

> > > > Why don't you tell the forum membmers your resolution of such

anachronisms.

> > > > Pl. give your views point by point.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > A K Kaul

> > > >

> > > > , " hattangadi_ suresh " <hattangadi_

suresh@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr Kaul should give his own calculations to prove that the date

arrived at is wrong and why it is wrong.Mr Kaul's post does not contain any

cogent reasons but only criticism.Even his assumption that the date arrived at

must be wrong is without any scientific argument.Mr Kaul please rebut each and

every point made in arriving at the date of Ramayana by giving scientific(with

references of scientific journals preferably) instead of simply dismissing the

painstaking research done by others by using the derisive language that he has

used.This is not acceptable I hope to others also on this list.This is not done.

> > > > >

> > > > ****** ******* ******** ********* ********

> > > > jyotirved [jyotirved@ ]

> > > > Friday, September 11, 2009 2:46 PM

> > > > 'subash razdan'

> > > >

> > > > Dear Subashji,

> > > > Thanks for forwarding me the full text of Shri Purshkar Bhatnagar's

views about his own publication. A similar post/mail has appeared on several

forums!

> > > >

> > > > " Vedic astronomers " have a symbiotic relation with " Vedic astrologers "

and, as such, are hardly any better than them in exhibiting their ignorance of

astronomy! And they are flaunting, like a talisman, software like Planetarium

etc. to show to the whole world as to how ignorant they actually are about their

own cultural matters, whether about the Ramayana or the Mahabharata.

> > > > Shri Pushkar Bhatnagar has said in his book, as quoted by him " Maharishi

Valmiki has recorded in Bal Kaand sarga 19 and shloka eight and nine (1/18/8,9)

that Shri Ram was born on ninth tithi of Chaitra month when the position of

different planets vis-a-vis zodiac constellations and nakshatras (visible stars)

were: i) Sun in Aries; ii) Saturn in Libra; iii) Jupiter in Cancer; iv) Venus in

Pisces; v) Mars in Capricorn; vi) Lunar month of Chaitra; vii) Ninth day after

no moon; viii) Lagna as Cancer (cancer was rising in the east); ix) Moon on the

Punarvasu (Gemini constellation & Pllux star); x) Day time (around noon).

> > > > This data was fed into the software. The results indicated that this was

exactly the location of planets/stars in the noon of January 10, 5114 BC. Thus

Shri Ram was born on January 10, 5114 BC (7123 years back). As per the Indian

calendar it was the ninth day of Shukla Paksha in Chaitra month and the time was

around 12 to 1 noontime. This is exactly the time and date when Ram Navmi is

celebrated all over India " .

> > > >

> > > > In several of his earlier posts, Shri Bhatnagar had talked of using

" Planetarium " software.

> > > > Let us analyze the actual facts.

> > > >

> > > > There is a program by P. V. R. Narasimha Rao, (owner, vedic astrology

) named JHora. Its latest version, 7.33 calculates planetary

longitudes, lagna, nakshatra etc. from about 5500 BCE to about 5500 AD rather

quite accurately. It can be downloaded for free from the internet. Anybody can

use in it any Ayanamsha including the " almighty " Lahiri or Ramana or even zero,

which is euphemistically known as Sayana!

> > > >

> > > > Swiss Ephemeris, that is based on VSOP 87 and also DE/LE data, is as

well quite accurate and calculates planetary longitudes, both sayana or

nirayana, etc. for a similar period. That also can be downloaded free from the

web or purchased for a nominal price for commercial purposes.

> > > >

> > > > Both these software tally almost exactly with the Vishnu program in

HinduCalendar forum for tithi, nakshatra etc. from 10000 BCE to 12030 AD!

> > > >

> > > > Following are the " almighty " Lahiri details copied from the JHora 7.33

software for January 10, 5114 BCE (-5113 AD) for Ayodhya at Noon, LMT:

> > > >

> > > > 1.

> > > >

> > > > Natal Chart Shri Ram

> > > >

> > > > January 10, -5113

> > > > Time: 12:00:00

> > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 82 E 12' 00 " , 26 N 48' 00 "

> > > > Ayodhya, India

> > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > >

> > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Parabhava - Phalguna

> > > > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (48.25% left)

> > > > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)

> > > > Nakshatra: Rohini (Mo) (62.35% left)

> > > > Yoga: Vishkambha (Sa) (11.29% left)

> > > > Karana: Vanija (Ve) (96.49% left)

> > > > Hora Lord: Moon (5 min sign: Le)

> > > > Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Cn)

> > > > Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Moon)

> > > >

> > > > Sunrise: 6:58:32

> > > > Sunset: 17:19:31

> > > > Janma Ghatis: 12.5612

> > > >

> > > > Ayanamsa: 285-52-47.49

> > > > Sidereal Time: 16:35:26

> > > >

> > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

> > > >

> > > > Lagna 14 Ta 52' 07.38 " Rohi 2 Ta Ta

> > > > Sun - BK 26 Aq 48' 32.38 " PBha 3 Aq Ge

> > > > Moon - PiK 15 Ta 01' 10.38 " Rohi 2 Ta Ta

> > > > Mars - AmK 28 Ar 17' 42.38 " Krit 1 Ar Sg

> > > > Mercury - AK 29 Cp 18' 42.32 " Dhan 2 Cp Vi

> > > > Jupiter ® - MK 18 Le 51' 39.03 " PPha 2 Le Vi

> > > > Venus ® - DK 1 Pi 59' 24.70 " PBha 4 Pi Cn

> > > > Saturn - PK 13 Sc 47' 26.51 " Anu 4 Sc Sc

> > > > Rahu - GK 22 Sg 16' 56.06 " PSha 3 Sg Li

> > > > Ketu 22 Ge 16' 56.06 " Puna 1 Ge Ar

> > > >

> > > > **** **** ***** ***** ***** *****

> > > >

> > > > Following are the so called Sayana details as per the same J Hora 7.33

software

> > > >

> > > > 2.

> > > >

> > > > Natal Chart Shri Ram

> > > >

> > > > January 10, -5113

> > > > Time: 12:00:00

> > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 82 E 12' 00 " , 26 N 48' 00 "

> > > > Ayodhya, India

> > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > >

> > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Parabhava - Pushya

> > > > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (48.25% left)

> > > > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)

> > > > Nakshatra: Poorvabhadra (Ju) (18.25% left)

> > > > Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (23.08% left)

> > > > Karana: Vanija (Ve) (96.49% left)

> > > > Hora Lord: Moon (5 min sign: Le)

> > > > Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Cn)

> > > > Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Moon)

> > > >

> > > > Sunrise: 6:58:32

> > > > Sunset: 17:19:31

> > > > Janma Ghatis: 12.5612

> > > >

> > > > Ayanamsa: 0-00-00.00

> > > > Sidereal Time: 16:35:26

> > > >

> > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

> > > >

> > > > Lagna 0 Pi 44' 54.87 " PBha 4 Pi Cn

> > > > Sun - PK 12 Sg 41' 21.93 " Mool 4 Sg Cn

> > > > Moon - DK 0 Pi 53' 59.93 " PBha 4 Pi Cn

> > > > Mars - PiK 14 Aq 10' 31.93 " Sata 3 Aq Aq

> > > > Mercury - MK 15 Sc 11' 31.87 " Anu 4 Sc Sc

> > > > Jupiter ® - GK 4 Ge 44' 28.58 " Mrig 4 Ge Sc

> > > > Venus ® - BK 17 Sg 52' 14.25 " PSha 2 Sg Vi

> > > > Saturn - AK 29 Le 40' 16.06 " UPha 1 Le Sg

> > > > Rahu - AmK 8 Li 09' 45.60 " Swat 1 Li Sg

> > > > Ketu 8 Ar 09' 45.60 " Aswi 3 Ar Ge

> > > >

> > > > ***** ***** **** ****** ****

> > > >

> > > > The (Sayana) planetary details as per the Swiss Ephemeris are:

> > > >

> > > > *** CHART ANALYSIS REPORT ***

> > > >

> > > > 3.

> > > >

> > > > Shri Ram - Male Chart

> > > >

> > > > DeltaT = +162894s; ET = 3:46:06 am Jan 12 5114 BC; JDE = -146454.342978

> > > > ST(0ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â°) = 11:08:42; LST = 16:37:30; Ob =

24ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â°10'19''; Eq.Time = -2m33s

> > > > ACD(0h) = Oct 4 5114 BC; ACD(12h) = Apr 5 5114 BC

> > > >

> > > > CHART ANGLES

> > > > Ascendant 01ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â°Pi26'08'' Midheaven

11ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â°Sg02'58''

> > > >

> > > > CHART POINTS

> > > > Mon 02ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â°Pi29'03''

> > > > Sun 12ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â°Sg48'44''

> > > >

> > > > Mer 15ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â°Sc19'34''

> > > >

> > > > Ven 17ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â°Sg48'30'' R

> > > >

> > > > Mar 14ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â°Aq15'05''

> > > >

> > > > Jup 04ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â°Ge44'21'' R

> > > > Sat 29ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â°Le40'55''

> > > >

> > > > Nod 09ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â°Li03'37'' R

> > > >

> > > > SNo 09ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â°Ar03'37'' R

> > > >

> > > > *** END REPORT ***

> > > >

> > > > You can see it for your self that there is not much difference between

the Swiss Ephemeris data and that of the latest J.Hora.

> > > >

> > > > As claimed by Shri Pushkar Bhatnagar, The Valmiki Ramayana, Balakanda

18/8-9 actually says, " In the meantime six seasons (from the last Vasanta)

rolled away after the sacrifice was over. Then on the ninth lunar day of the

bright fortnight of Chaitra, the twelfth month after the conclusion of the

sacrifices, when the asterism Punarvasu, presided over by Aditi, was in the

ascendant and as many as five planets viz. the Sun, Mars, Saturn and Venus

happened to be exalted (appeared in zodiacal signs of Mesha or Aries, Makara or

Capricornus, Tula or Libra, Karka or Cancer and Mina or Pisces respectively) ,

and Jupiter in conjunction with the moon appeared in the zodiacal sign of Karka,

mother Kaushalya, the eldest wife of Dhasharatha, gave birth to a highly blessed

son named Shri Ram, who was no other than the Lord of the universe.. " (Gita

Press translation)

> > > >

> > > > The salient features of this " Divine " chart by Shri Pushkar Bhatnagar,

however, are:

> > > >

> > > > 1. Janma month is neither Madhu nor Chaitra but the month of Sahasya and

Margashirsha/ Pausha!

> > > >

> > > > 2. Janma ritu is not Vasanta but Hemanta Ritu!

> > > >

> > > > 3. Janma tithi is Shukla Saptami instead of Shukla Navmi!

> > > >

> > > > 4. Janma Nakshatra is either Purvabhadra (Sayana) or Rohini (Lahiri)

instead of Punarvasu!

> > > >

> > > > 5. Moon is neither in sayana nor in nirayana Karkata but in either Mina

or Vrisha!

> > > >

> > > > 6. Sun is neither in nirayana nor in sayana Mesha but either in Dhanush

or in Kumbha!

> > > >

> > > > 7. Lagna is neither sayana nor nirayana Karkata but either Mina or

Vrisha!

> > > >

> > > > 8. Brihaspati is neither in Sayana nor in nirayana Karkata but in

Mithuna or Simha!

> > > >

> > > > 9. Mangal is neither in Sayana nor in nirayana Makara but in Kumbha or

Mesha

> > > >

> > > > 10. Shani is neither in Sayana nor in nirayana Tula but in Simha or

Vrischika

> > > >

> > > > 11. Shukra is the only planet that can be said to be in Mina, that also

provided that we presuppose that " almighty " Lahiri had incarnated even prior to

" Bhatnagar Ram " since it is only as per Lahiri Ayanamsha that Shukra is in Mina!

> > > >

> > > > 12 Thus leave alone five planets being either exalted or in their own

signs, not even a single planet is exalted or in its own sign!

> > > >

> > > > And the rest is history, as the saying goes, since if the birth

particulars themselves are inaccurate to such an extent, it is futile to go into

other details!

> > > >

> > > > So long live " Bhatnagar Ram " !

> > > >

> > > > And I am sure " Vedic astrologers " will continue to delineate the chart

of " Bhatnagar Ram " for ages together with correct predictions, since they can

make correct predictions only from incorrect data!

> > > >

> > > > And the billion dollar question that no " Vedic astronomer " or " Vedic

astrologer " can answer is as to how could Mesha etc. Rashis be included in the

Valmiki Ramayana if they sre conspicuous by their absence in a much later work

viz. the Mahabharata, ( " Paroskhya Professor's " Brahma Rashi notwithstanding! )

as there were no rashis till the advent of Maya the mlechha, again, " parokshya

professor's " visualization of spurious mantra as original in the Vedanga

Jyotisha notwithstanding!

> > > >

> > > > But then people like you and me are helpless in the face of an avalanche

of " proofs " by " prominent scholars " , thanks to their " philosophers' stones " like

" Planetarium " software etc.!

> > > >

> > > > It also appears that these scholars like Dr. Vartak or " Parokshya

Professor " or Pushkar Bhatnagar or Prafulla Vamana Mendaki etc. etc., have not

read the original Valmiki Ramayana at all, since they would have at least given

some explanation as to how Shri Ram could have Incarnated in fifth or even

seventh millennium BCE, if He is supposed to have ruled for eleven thousand

years for this is what the Valmiki Ramayana says, " Having served His kingdom for

eleven thousand years, Shri Ram will ascend to Brahmaloka " (Balakanda 1/97--Gita

Press translation) and " (Now that You have ruled for eleven thousand years, as

desired by You Yourself, You will have now to ascend to Brahmaloka " (Uttarakanda

104/12--Gita Press translation) .

> > > >

> > > > What is most pathetic is the statement by Shri Pushkar Bhatnagar " The

following document is the 'MOST' authentic scientific work that does not need

further scientific verification. " Obviously, some of the scholars consider

themselves more exalted than the Vedic Seers or even Maharshi Valmiki and would

not like their findings to be subjected to any peer review!

> > > >

> > > > The fact of the matter is that these astrological combinations in the

Varlmiki Ramayana and Adhyatma Ramayana etc. are astronomically impossible and

are interpolations of a much later date by some good for nothing jyotishi! This

will be clear from:

> > > >

> > > > 1. It is practically impossible for anybody to have been or be born in

Punarvasu nakshatra with the Moon in Karkata and Navmi tithi, with the sun in

Mesha!

> > > >

> > > > 2. Similarly, as per the Valmiki Ramayana Balakanda 18/15-16, " Bharata

of cheerful mind was born when the constellation Pushya was in the ascendant and

the Sun had entered the zodiacal sign of Pisces, while the twin sons of Sumitra

were born when the constellation Ashlesha was in the Ascendant and the sun had

reached the meredian, touching the zodiacal sign of Karkata, i.e. Cancer " . (Gita

Press translation)

> > > >

> > > > Anybody knowing even a bit of astronomy, can immediately see through the

blunders committed by those good for nothing jyotishis who made such

interpolations to prove their jyotisha prowess, that if the sun is in Mesha as

in the case of Bhagwan Rama and in Mina in the case of Bharata, the latter is

either younger by eleven months or elder by one month to the former, since Mesha

follows Mina and not the other way round!

> > > >

> > > > 3. Similarly, if Bharata's sun is in Mina, and that of Lakshmana and

Shatrugna in Karkata, they are either younger than Bharata by four months or

elder to him by eight months! However, as per the same Valmiki Ramayana, all the

four brothers are supposed to have been born within a gap of a day or two and

not several months.

> > > >

> > > > 4. Last but not the least, almost all the ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢?oVedic

astronomersÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢?ÃƒÂ¯Ã‚Â¿Ã‚Â½ and ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢?oVedic

astrologersÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢?ÃƒÂ¯Ã‚Â¿Ã‚Â½ are of the view that Rama-Setu is hundreds of

thousands years old as it was built by the Vanara-Sena of Bhagwan Ram! They are

claiming the support of NASA also in such matters! Now if as per these very

ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢?oVedic astronomersÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢?ÃƒÂ¯Ã‚Â¿Ã‚Â½ and ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢?oVedic

astrologersÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢?ÃƒÂ¯Ã‚Â¿Ã‚Â½ , He Incarnated just about seven or nine

thousand years back, what can be the fate of the plea pending in the Supreme

Court of India can well be imagined!

> > > >

> > > > No " Vedic astrologer " has commented on such anachronisms in the

Ramayana, simply because they would not then be able to make a fool of a common

man with such words as, " Rama was exiled when He had Sade-Sati " or " even Bhagwan

Ram was separated from His wife since He was a Mangalik as He had Mars in the

seventh " and so on!

> > > >

> > > > But then this is Kaliyuga and that is why Goswami Tulsidas had said, in

the Ramacharitamanasa, in Balakanda, 14th Doha: " Banchak Bhagat Kahai Ram ke,

kinkar kanchan koh kama ke " .

> > > >

> > > > Aakhir paapi pet ka saval jo hai!

> > > >

> > > > With regards,

> > > >

> > > > Avtar

> > > >

> > >

> > > --- End forwarded message ---

> > >

September 15, 2009

Â Mr. Harimalla,

Â

No need of any respects from you at all.Â You say you heard about people

telling thatÂ Bhagavatam was written as late as in 14th century AD. Remember

that hearsay is not an evidence.

Â

When Lord Krishna passed away in 3102 BCE what do you think the Arjuna's

grandson's date will be? What do you think the date of Suka will be? Without

composing the Bhagavatam howÂ doÂ you think Â it could have been recited at

that time?Â Â Secondly you are also telling the date of Adi Sankaracharya as

8th century AD and you are ignorant of the many evidences which definitely prove

that Adi Sankaracharya was born in 6th century BCE. One such evidence is the

copper plate with the Dwarka math which prove the date to be 509 BCE.Â This is

the standardÂ of your knowledge of chronology andÂ you are trying to show that

you have knowledge of chronology. What concrete proof have you given to show

that Rashis are imported from outside? Nothing. Without giving any chronological

data you claim you have put chronological data.

Â

What do you mean by saying " Thank you in advance for agreeing with me. You have

not given any proof that the Rashis are importedÂ to India. Only an idiot can

agree with you.

Â

The correspondence is over.

Â

SKB

Â

--- On Tue, 9/15/09, harimalla <harimalla wrote:

harimalla <harimalla

Re: Fwd: Dating of Ramayana

Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 4:54 AM