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Dear All

 

In our previous thread relating to a similar topic we had wished that the owner

of the mentioned website may kindly stop playing with Jyotish.

 

If that gentleman is reading this email, he may kindly re-consider.

 

Regards

Pradeep

 

, " chitra2pada " <nakshatras wrote:

>

> Folks,

> Our gentleman astrologer conveniently changed the Roger Federer prediction

this morning, after Roger Federer lost the US Open last night in NY. Yesterday

(Sep 14, 2009), I had read that Federer will win because Sun is traniting his

lagna.

>

> Of course after he lost, the prediction is

>

> " Indian astrology analyst K.B.Gopalakrishnan says that sometimes he loves

federer's amazing tennis. A tennis legend in making and yet many common people

want him to fail because he is great. Like all mean men they can never digest

someone's great success. Any way coming to federer Chennai astrologer predicts

that his cute little twins will bring him lot of success. He will be winning at

least two more grand slams and some more runners-up titles and many ATP titles.

Now only his opponents are getting closer to him. Like all great men someone

like nadal etc will catch him up. Like all great rivalry nadal himself will win

many grand slam titles and their rivalry will be great. "

>

> My question is: where is Sathya (truth) in Sathyaprema?

> MS

>

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Pradeep,

 

Date stamps, time stamps, article contents -everything has been mucked around so

many times to suit the event and happenings. As you may be aware -this is a

trend / hallmark of his predicive articles. He is a professional astrologer

looking to make money, I doubt if he cares for truth at all. But it brings bad

name to the Vidya itself and other honest astrologers. And astrology is a

unregulated business in this modern age so it is bound to attract money makers.

 

In a related topic...

It is the same with other astrologers who run behind fame, name and money. There

is this other astrologer who claims that one of his clients is a $20 billion

guy. Apparently, this billionare consults him to invest in a $100 million

project. When I told him according to Forbes list there are only 5/6 people with

that much money in the world, he has no reply. These are same kind of people who

run behind money, name, fame, change birth times by 10, 15, 20 minutes without

any hesitation, claim that they have seen 1000s of charts etc, even though they

started astrology 7/8 years back. Of course to promote his style, he abuses and

accuses other vedic astrologers. In addition, they are proud of their many legal

and illeagal love affairs in personal life.

 

I am not surprised that these things are happening in this internet age. But

there is a yoga karaka period (dasa or bhukti) for everybody to go through in

their lifetime, when the KALACHAKRA comes back to teach the lessons.

 

MS

 

 

, " Vijayadas " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear All

>

> In our previous thread relating to a similar topic we had wished that the

owner of the mentioned website may kindly stop playing with Jyotish.

>

> If that gentleman is reading this email, he may kindly re-consider.

>

> Regards

> Pradeep

>

> , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@> wrote:

> >

> > Folks,

> > Our gentleman astrologer conveniently changed the Roger Federer prediction

this morning, after Roger Federer lost the US Open last night in NY. Yesterday

(Sep 14, 2009), I had read that Federer will win because Sun is traniting his

lagna.

> >

> > Of course after he lost, the prediction is

> >

> > " Indian astrology analyst K.B.Gopalakrishnan says that sometimes he loves

federer's amazing tennis. A tennis legend in making and yet many common people

want him to fail because he is great. Like all mean men they can never digest

someone's great success. Any way coming to federer Chennai astrologer predicts

that his cute little twins will bring him lot of success. He will be winning at

least two more grand slams and some more runners-up titles and many ATP titles.

Now only his opponents are getting closer to him. Like all great men someone

like nadal etc will catch him up. Like all great rivalry nadal himself will win

many grand slam titles and their rivalry will be great. "

> >

> > My question is: where is Sathya (truth) in Sathyaprema?

> > MS

> >

>

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Manjunath

 

Yes Astrologers are not certified by any organisation/Body. Thus anybody who

claims to be an astrologer is an astrologer in the eyes of public.In other words

we cannot blame those common crowd, who rates all astrologers as frauds.

 

Astrologers who are looking for new clients and more money have to give

publicity regarding their ''success''.

 

However whether this can lead to real ''satisfaction'' or not needs to be

understood by the astrologers who are trying to play dirty.

 

We MAY NOT bring bad name and reputation for the very shastra which has given us

fame. This will be a great Ninda.

 

It is human to Err.Let those who are involved in such acts reconsider.

 

Pradeep

, " chitra2pada " <nakshatras wrote:

>

> Pradeep,

>

> Date stamps, time stamps, article contents -everything has been mucked around

so many times to suit the event and happenings. As you may be aware -this is a

trend / hallmark of his predicive articles. He is a professional astrologer

looking to make money, I doubt if he cares for truth at all. But it brings bad

name to the Vidya itself and other honest astrologers. And astrology is a

unregulated business in this modern age so it is bound to attract money makers.

>

> In a related topic...

> It is the same with other astrologers who run behind fame, name and money.

There is this other astrologer who claims that one of his clients is a $20

billion guy. Apparently, this billionare consults him to invest in a $100

million project. When I told him according to Forbes list there are only 5/6

people with that much money in the world, he has no reply. These are same kind

of people who run behind money, name, fame, change birth times by 10, 15, 20

minutes without any hesitation, claim that they have seen 1000s of charts etc,

even though they started astrology 7/8 years back. Of course to promote his

style, he abuses and accuses other vedic astrologers. In addition, they are

proud of their many legal and illeagal love affairs in personal life.

>

> I am not surprised that these things are happening in this internet age. But

there is a yoga karaka period (dasa or bhukti) for everybody to go through in

their lifetime, when the KALACHAKRA comes back to teach the lessons.

>

> MS

>

>

> , " Vijayadas " <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All

> >

> > In our previous thread relating to a similar topic we had wished that the

owner of the mentioned website may kindly stop playing with Jyotish.

> >

> > If that gentleman is reading this email, he may kindly re-consider.

> >

> > Regards

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Folks,

> > > Our gentleman astrologer conveniently changed the Roger Federer prediction

this morning, after Roger Federer lost the US Open last night in NY. Yesterday

(Sep 14, 2009), I had read that Federer will win because Sun is traniting his

lagna.

> > >

> > > Of course after he lost, the prediction is

> > >

> > > " Indian astrology analyst K.B.Gopalakrishnan says that sometimes he loves

federer's amazing tennis. A tennis legend in making and yet many common people

want him to fail because he is great. Like all mean men they can never digest

someone's great success. Any way coming to federer Chennai astrologer predicts

that his cute little twins will bring him lot of success. He will be winning at

least two more grand slams and some more runners-up titles and many ATP titles.

Now only his opponents are getting closer to him. Like all great men someone

like nadal etc will catch him up. Like all great rivalry nadal himself will win

many grand slam titles and their rivalry will be great. "

> > >

> > > My question is: where is Sathya (truth) in Sathyaprema?

> > > MS

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Manjunath ji,

 

If possible, kindly send me all the predictions that he made and then changed on

his website.

 

regards,

 

Mouji

 

--- On Fri, 9/18/09, Vijayadas <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

 

 

Vijayadas <vijayadas_pradeep

Re: Federer and prediction - Request

 

Friday, September 18, 2009, 12:17 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Manjunath

 

Yes Astrologers are not certified by any organisation/ Body. Thus anybody who

claims to be an astrologer is an astrologer in the eyes of public.In other words

we cannot blame those common crowd, who rates all astrologers as frauds.

 

Astrologers who are looking for new clients and more money have to give

publicity regarding their ''success''.

 

However whether this can lead to real ''satisfaction' ' or not needs to be

understood by the astrologers who are trying to play dirty.

 

We MAY NOT bring bad name and reputation for the very shastra which has given us

fame. This will be a great Ninda.

 

It is human to Err.Let those who are involved in such acts reconsider.

 

Pradeep

, " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@ ...> wrote:

>

> Pradeep,

>

> Date stamps, time stamps, article contents -everything has been mucked around

so many times to suit the event and happenings. As you may be aware -this is a

trend / hallmark of his predicive articles. He is a professional astrologer

looking to make money, I doubt if he cares for truth at all. But it brings bad

name to the Vidya itself and other honest astrologers. And astrology is a

unregulated business in this modern age so it is bound to attract money makers.

>

> In a related topic...

> It is the same with other astrologers who run behind fame, name and money.

There is this other astrologer who claims that one of his clients is a $20

billion guy. Apparently, this billionare consults him to invest in a $100

million project. When I told him according to Forbes list there are only 5/6

people with that much money in the world, he has no reply. These are same kind

of people who run behind money, name, fame, change birth times by 10, 15, 20

minutes without any hesitation, claim that they have seen 1000s of charts etc,

even though they started astrology 7/8 years back. Of course to promote his

style, he abuses and accuses other vedic astrologers. In addition, they are

proud of their many legal and illeagal love affairs in personal life.

>

> I am not surprised that these things are happening in this internet age. But

there is a yoga karaka period (dasa or bhukti) for everybody to go through in

their lifetime, when the KALACHAKRA comes back to teach the lessons.

>

> MS

>

>

> , " Vijayadas " <vijayadas_pradeep@ >

wrote:

> >

> > Dear All

> >

> > In our previous thread relating to a similar topic we had wished that the

owner of the mentioned website may kindly stop playing with Jyotish.

> >

> > If that gentleman is reading this email, he may kindly re-consider.

> >

> > Regards

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Folks,

> > > Our gentleman astrologer conveniently changed the Roger Federer prediction

this morning, after Roger Federer lost the US Open last night in NY. Yesterday

(Sep 14, 2009), I had read that Federer will win because Sun is traniting his

lagna.

> > >

> > > Of course after he lost, the prediction is

> > >

> > > " Indian astrology analyst K.B.Gopalakrishnan says that sometimes he loves

federer's amazing tennis. A tennis legend in making and yet many common people

want him to fail because he is great. Like all mean men they can never digest

someone's great success. Any way coming to federer Chennai astrologer predicts

that his cute little twins will bring him lot of success. He will be winning at

least two more grand slams and some more runners-up titles and many ATP titles.

Now only his opponents are getting closer to him. Like all great men someone

like nadal etc will catch him up. Like all great rivalry nadal himself will win

many grand slam titles and their rivalry will be great. "

> > >

> > > My question is: where is Sathya (truth) in Sathyaprema?

> > > MS

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Manjunath, Manoj and list

I think it's sad when this kind of trickery is practised in the name of jyotish.

It happens in all areas though including medicine and other strictly regulated

professions.

In my own area I recently came across someone who is calling himself an 'expert'

vedic astrologer when he has little command of jyotish and has only just

undertaken a basic course in the subject, and says he does tarot readings as

well, compounding problems the rest of us face. I also have to 'battle' with

people believing that astrologers are merely tarot card readers, so for me half

the battle is educating people as to what an astrologer actually does.

 

What makes the task harder is when people call themselves astrologers and then

deliver a tarot reading. I turn away many people every week who only want tarot

readings, but hopefully give them food for thought after I have explained the

difference between that and astrology.

I know it's hard for the rest of us who are more diligent in our attempts to be

worthy astrologers, but I have faith that the right people who really will

benefit from a proper astrology reading will come my way.

 

I doubt regulation would sort it out. In the UK even the big Astrological

Association has alienated astrologers due to its league with a big insurance

company. It is attempting to regulate via insurers who insist you can't have

insurance if you don't have certain types of qualifications. Sadly I know people

who have some of the qualifications they demand, but who state quite

categorically they still don't know how to predict or read charts using the

system they have qualified in. So there are pitfalls in demanding regulation

too.

 

There are many associations also, which purportedly add credibility to an

astrological practice, but these are run by self appointed experts. Not only

that I was recently amused by one astro group, keen to regulate, who are

appalled that some astrologers in this country are prescribing yagyas and mantra

and amulets as part of their delivery of astrology....................jiggery

pokery they call it..................but then they only do western

astrology........though they do have a very high profile astrologer as their

president.

 

Regulation is fraught with pitfalls, which is why I think it will only increase

the problems faced by genuine astrologers, though I could be wrong.

best wishes

M

 

 

 

 

 

-

Manoj Kumar

Friday, September 18, 2009 7:11 AM

Re: Re: Federer and prediction - Request

 

 

Dear Manjunath ji,

 

If possible, kindly send me all the predictions that he made and then changed

on his website.

 

regards,

 

Mouji

 

--- On Fri, 9/18/09, Vijayadas <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

 

Vijayadas <vijayadas_pradeep

Re: Federer and prediction - Request

Friday, September 18, 2009, 12:17 AM

 

 

 

Manjunath

 

Yes Astrologers are not certified by any organisation/ Body. Thus anybody who

claims to be an astrologer is an astrologer in the eyes of public.In other words

we cannot blame those common crowd, who rates all astrologers as frauds.

 

Astrologers who are looking for new clients and more money have to give

publicity regarding their ''success''.

 

However whether this can lead to real ''satisfaction' ' or not needs to be

understood by the astrologers who are trying to play dirty.

 

We MAY NOT bring bad name and reputation for the very shastra which has given

us fame. This will be a great Ninda.

 

It is human to Err.Let those who are involved in such acts reconsider.

 

Pradeep

, " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@ ...> wrote:

>

> Pradeep,

>

> Date stamps, time stamps, article contents -everything has been mucked

around so many times to suit the event and happenings. As you may be aware -this

is a trend / hallmark of his predicive articles. He is a professional astrologer

looking to make money, I doubt if he cares for truth at all. But it brings bad

name to the Vidya itself and other honest astrologers. And astrology is a

unregulated business in this modern age so it is bound to attract money makers.

>

> In a related topic...

> It is the same with other astrologers who run behind fame, name and money.

There is this other astrologer who claims that one of his clients is a $20

billion guy. Apparently, this billionare consults him to invest in a $100

million project. When I told him according to Forbes list there are only 5/6

people with that much money in the world, he has no reply. These are same kind

of people who run behind money, name, fame, change birth times by 10, 15, 20

minutes without any hesitation, claim that they have seen 1000s of charts etc,

even though they started astrology 7/8 years back. Of course to promote his

style, he abuses and accuses other vedic astrologers. In addition, they are

proud of their many legal and illeagal love affairs in personal life.

>

> I am not surprised that these things are happening in this internet age. But

there is a yoga karaka period (dasa or bhukti) for everybody to go through in

their lifetime, when the KALACHAKRA comes back to teach the lessons.

>

> MS

>

>

> , " Vijayadas " <vijayadas_pradeep@ >

wrote:

> >

> > Dear All

> >

> > In our previous thread relating to a similar topic we had wished that the

owner of the mentioned website may kindly stop playing with Jyotish.

> >

> > If that gentleman is reading this email, he may kindly re-consider.

> >

> > Regards

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Folks,

> > > Our gentleman astrologer conveniently changed the Roger Federer

prediction this morning, after Roger Federer lost the US Open last night in NY.

Yesterday (Sep 14, 2009), I had read that Federer will win because Sun is

traniting his lagna.

> > >

> > > Of course after he lost, the prediction is

> > >

> > > " Indian astrology analyst K.B.Gopalakrishnan says that sometimes he

loves federer's amazing tennis. A tennis legend in making and yet many common

people want him to fail because he is great. Like all mean men they can never

digest someone's great success. Any way coming to federer Chennai astrologer

predicts that his cute little twins will bring him lot of success. He will be

winning at least two more grand slams and some more runners-up titles and many

ATP titles. Now only his opponents are getting closer to him. Like all great men

someone like nadal etc will catch him up. Like all great rivalry nadal himself

will win many grand slam titles and their rivalry will be great. "

> > >

> > > My question is: where is Sathya (truth) in Sathyaprema?

> > > MS

> > >

> >

>

 

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Manoj-ji

I have documented some (saved pdf files , before and after). Some, I have

highlighted here in the . Lately, I am not saving pdf's, by now most

of us know that he (the chennai astrologer) changes his predictions after the

event, if it does not come true. The ones that come true - of course he flashes

that on his website. The root cause obviously is to get more traffic, make

money, fame and name. In the journal of astrology website, Sri KN Rao-ji was

offering his book for sale. Ever after knowing knowing this, should he still

offer the book? Please convey this message to Guruji. It is like partaking the

sins of somebody's bad karma..right.

 

I will send the pdf's to your account from my gmail...

MS

 

 

, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:

>

> Dear Manjunath ji,

>  

> If possible, kindly send me all the predictions that he made and then changed

on his website.

>  

> regards,

>  

> Mouji

>

> --- On Fri, 9/18/09, Vijayadas <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

>

> Vijayadas <vijayadas_pradeep

> Re: Federer and prediction - Request

>

> Friday, September 18, 2009, 12:17 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Manjunath

>

> Yes Astrologers are not certified by any organisation/ Body. Thus anybody who

claims to be an astrologer is an astrologer in the eyes of public.In other words

we cannot blame those common crowd, who rates all astrologers as frauds.

>

> Astrologers who are looking for new clients and more money have to give

publicity regarding their ''success''.

>

> However whether this can lead to real ''satisfaction' ' or not needs to be

understood by the astrologers who are trying to play dirty.

>

> We MAY NOT bring bad name and reputation for the very shastra which has given

us fame. This will be a great Ninda.

>

> It is human to Err.Let those who are involved in such acts reconsider.

>

> Pradeep

> , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Pradeep,

> >

> > Date stamps, time stamps, article contents -everything has been mucked

around so many times to suit the event and happenings. As you may be aware -this

is a trend / hallmark of his predicive articles. He is a professional astrologer

looking to make money, I doubt if he cares for truth at all. But it brings bad

name to the Vidya itself and other honest astrologers. And astrology is a

unregulated business in this modern age so it is bound to attract money makers.

> >

> > In a related topic...

> > It is the same with other astrologers who run behind fame, name and money.

There is this other astrologer who claims that one of his clients is a $20

billion guy. Apparently, this billionare consults him to invest in a $100

million project. When I told him according to Forbes list there are only 5/6

people with that much money in the world, he has no reply. These are same kind

of people who run behind money, name, fame, change birth times by 10, 15, 20

minutes without any hesitation, claim that they have seen 1000s of charts etc,

even though they started astrology 7/8 years back. Of course to promote his

style, he abuses and accuses other vedic astrologers. In addition, they are

proud of their many legal and illeagal love affairs in personal life.

> >

> > I am not surprised that these things are happening in this internet age. But

there is a yoga karaka period (dasa or bhukti) for everybody to go through in

their lifetime, when the KALACHAKRA comes back to teach the lessons.

> >

> > MS

> >

> >

> > , " Vijayadas " <vijayadas_pradeep@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All

> > >

> > > In our previous thread relating to a similar topic we had wished that the

owner of the mentioned website may kindly stop playing with Jyotish.

> > >

> > > If that gentleman is reading this email, he may kindly re-consider.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Folks,

> > > > Our gentleman astrologer conveniently changed the Roger Federer

prediction this morning, after Roger Federer lost the US Open last night in NY.

Yesterday (Sep 14, 2009), I had read that Federer will win because Sun is

traniting his lagna.

> > > >

> > > > Of course after he lost, the prediction is

> > > >

> > > > " Indian astrology analyst K.B.Gopalakrishnan says that sometimes he

loves federer's amazing tennis. A tennis legend in making and yet many common

people want him to fail because he is great. Like all mean men they can never

digest someone's great success. Any way coming to federer Chennai astrologer

predicts that his cute little twins will bring him lot of success. He will be

winning at least two more grand slams and some more runners-up titles and many

ATP titles. Now only his opponents are getting closer to him. Like all great men

someone like nadal etc will catch him up. Like all great rivalry nadal himself

will win many grand slam titles and their rivalry will be great. "

> > > >

> > > > My question is: where is Sathya (truth) in Sathyaprema?

> > > > MS

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Margaret

You make very good points. I am not saying regualtion will this business any

better. In this age of internet, people crave for attention, name, fame and of

course want to make money. Astrologers are no different, as they have to earn

their living. I am not hear to be the moral police.Just highlighted how these so

called professional astrologers who have no morals milk the client of their hard

earned money etc..

MS

, " Marg " <margie9 wrote:

>

> Dear Manjunath, Manoj and list

> I think it's sad when this kind of trickery is practised in the name of

jyotish. It happens in all areas though including medicine and other strictly

regulated professions.

> In my own area I recently came across someone who is calling himself an

'expert' vedic astrologer when he has little command of jyotish and has only

just undertaken a basic course in the subject, and says he does tarot readings

as well, compounding problems the rest of us face. I also have to 'battle' with

people believing that astrologers are merely tarot card readers, so for me half

the battle is educating people as to what an astrologer actually does.

>

> What makes the task harder is when people call themselves astrologers and then

deliver a tarot reading. I turn away many people every week who only want tarot

readings, but hopefully give them food for thought after I have explained the

difference between that and astrology.

> I know it's hard for the rest of us who are more diligent in our attempts to

be worthy astrologers, but I have faith that the right people who really will

benefit from a proper astrology reading will come my way.

>

> I doubt regulation would sort it out. In the UK even the big Astrological

Association has alienated astrologers due to its league with a big insurance

company. It is attempting to regulate via insurers who insist you can't have

insurance if you don't have certain types of qualifications. Sadly I know people

who have some of the qualifications they demand, but who state quite

categorically they still don't know how to predict or read charts using the

system they have qualified in. So there are pitfalls in demanding regulation

too.

>

> There are many associations also, which purportedly add credibility to an

astrological practice, but these are run by self appointed experts. Not only

that I was recently amused by one astro group, keen to regulate, who are

appalled that some astrologers in this country are prescribing yagyas and mantra

and amulets as part of their delivery of astrology....................jiggery

pokery they call it..................but then they only do western

astrology........though they do have a very high profile astrologer as their

president.

>

> Regulation is fraught with pitfalls, which is why I think it will only

increase the problems faced by genuine astrologers, though I could be wrong.

> best wishes

> M

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> Manoj Kumar

>

> Friday, September 18, 2009 7:11 AM

> Re: Re: Federer and prediction - Request

>

>

> Dear Manjunath ji,

>

> If possible, kindly send me all the predictions that he made and then

changed on his website.

>

> regards,

>

> Mouji

>

> --- On Fri, 9/18/09, Vijayadas <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Vijayadas <vijayadas_pradeep

> Re: Federer and prediction - Request

>

> Friday, September 18, 2009, 12:17 AM

>

>

>

> Manjunath

>

> Yes Astrologers are not certified by any organisation/ Body. Thus anybody

who claims to be an astrologer is an astrologer in the eyes of public.In other

words we cannot blame those common crowd, who rates all astrologers as frauds.

>

> Astrologers who are looking for new clients and more money have to give

publicity regarding their ''success''.

>

> However whether this can lead to real ''satisfaction' ' or not needs to be

understood by the astrologers who are trying to play dirty.

>

> We MAY NOT bring bad name and reputation for the very shastra which has

given us fame. This will be a great Ninda.

>

> It is human to Err.Let those who are involved in such acts reconsider.

>

> Pradeep

> , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Pradeep,

> >

> > Date stamps, time stamps, article contents -everything has been mucked

around so many times to suit the event and happenings. As you may be aware -this

is a trend / hallmark of his predicive articles. He is a professional astrologer

looking to make money, I doubt if he cares for truth at all. But it brings bad

name to the Vidya itself and other honest astrologers. And astrology is a

unregulated business in this modern age so it is bound to attract money makers.

> >

> > In a related topic...

> > It is the same with other astrologers who run behind fame, name and money.

There is this other astrologer who claims that one of his clients is a $20

billion guy. Apparently, this billionare consults him to invest in a $100

million project. When I told him according to Forbes list there are only 5/6

people with that much money in the world, he has no reply. These are same kind

of people who run behind money, name, fame, change birth times by 10, 15, 20

minutes without any hesitation, claim that they have seen 1000s of charts etc,

even though they started astrology 7/8 years back. Of course to promote his

style, he abuses and accuses other vedic astrologers. In addition, they are

proud of their many legal and illeagal love affairs in personal life.

> >

> > I am not surprised that these things are happening in this internet age.

But there is a yoga karaka period (dasa or bhukti) for everybody to go through

in their lifetime, when the KALACHAKRA comes back to teach the lessons.

> >

> > MS

> >

> >

> > , " Vijayadas " <vijayadas_pradeep@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All

> > >

> > > In our previous thread relating to a similar topic we had wished that

the owner of the mentioned website may kindly stop playing with Jyotish.

> > >

> > > If that gentleman is reading this email, he may kindly re-consider.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Folks,

> > > > Our gentleman astrologer conveniently changed the Roger Federer

prediction this morning, after Roger Federer lost the US Open last night in NY.

Yesterday (Sep 14, 2009), I had read that Federer will win because Sun is

traniting his lagna.

> > > >

> > > > Of course after he lost, the prediction is

> > > >

> > > > " Indian astrology analyst K.B.Gopalakrishnan says that sometimes he

loves federer's amazing tennis. A tennis legend in making and yet many common

people want him to fail because he is great. Like all mean men they can never

digest someone's great success. Any way coming to federer Chennai astrologer

predicts that his cute little twins will bring him lot of success. He will be

winning at least two more grand slams and some more runners-up titles and many

ATP titles. Now only his opponents are getting closer to him. Like all great men

someone like nadal etc will catch him up. Like all great rivalry nadal himself

will win many grand slam titles and their rivalry will be great. "

> > > >

> > > > My question is: where is Sathya (truth) in Sathyaprema?

> > > > MS

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

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Hi

I agree that some pseudo psychics are interested in fame and wealth, I also

believe quite firmly that people get the astrologers they deserve, and if they

are meant to get a good astrologer and benefit from the reading then they do,

and their chart says that they will......I constantly see this happening in the

charts I read and am assured it works this way, so not to worry, the universe is

greater than it's parts!

best wishes

M

-

chitra2pada

Friday, September 18, 2009 3:06 PM

Re: Federer and prediction - Request

 

 

Margaret

You make very good points. I am not saying regualtion will this business any

better. In this age of internet, people crave for attention, name, fame and of

course want to make money. Astrologers are no different, as they have to earn

their living. I am not hear to be the moral police.Just highlighted how these so

called professional astrologers who have no morals milk the client of their hard

earned money etc..

MS

, " Marg " <margie9 wrote:

>

> Dear Manjunath, Manoj and list

> I think it's sad when this kind of trickery is practised in the name of

jyotish. It happens in all areas though including medicine and other strictly

regulated professions.

> In my own area I recently came across someone who is calling himself an

'expert' vedic astrologer when he has little command of jyotish and has only

just undertaken a basic course in the subject, and says he does tarot readings

as well, compounding problems the rest of us face. I also have to 'battle' with

people believing that astrologers are merely tarot card readers, so for me half

the battle is educating people as to what an astrologer actually does.

>

> What makes the task harder is when people call themselves astrologers and

then deliver a tarot reading. I turn away many people every week who only want

tarot readings, but hopefully give them food for thought after I have explained

the difference between that and astrology.

> I know it's hard for the rest of us who are more diligent in our attempts to

be worthy astrologers, but I have faith that the right people who really will

benefit from a proper astrology reading will come my way.

>

> I doubt regulation would sort it out. In the UK even the big Astrological

Association has alienated astrologers due to its league with a big insurance

company. It is attempting to regulate via insurers who insist you can't have

insurance if you don't have certain types of qualifications. Sadly I know people

who have some of the qualifications they demand, but who state quite

categorically they still don't know how to predict or read charts using the

system they have qualified in. So there are pitfalls in demanding regulation

too.

>

> There are many associations also, which purportedly add credibility to an

astrological practice, but these are run by self appointed experts. Not only

that I was recently amused by one astro group, keen to regulate, who are

appalled that some astrologers in this country are prescribing yagyas and mantra

and amulets as part of their delivery of astrology....................jiggery

pokery they call it..................but then they only do western

astrology........though they do have a very high profile astrologer as their

president.

>

> Regulation is fraught with pitfalls, which is why I think it will only

increase the problems faced by genuine astrologers, though I could be wrong.

> best wishes

> M

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> Manoj Kumar

>

> Friday, September 18, 2009 7:11 AM

> Re: Re: Federer and prediction - Request

>

>

> Dear Manjunath ji,

>

> If possible, kindly send me all the predictions that he made and then

changed on his website.

>

> regards,

>

> Mouji

>

> --- On Fri, 9/18/09, Vijayadas <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Vijayadas <vijayadas_pradeep

> Re: Federer and prediction - Request

>

> Friday, September 18, 2009, 12:17 AM

>

>

>

> Manjunath

>

> Yes Astrologers are not certified by any organisation/ Body. Thus anybody

who claims to be an astrologer is an astrologer in the eyes of public.In other

words we cannot blame those common crowd, who rates all astrologers as frauds.

>

> Astrologers who are looking for new clients and more money have to give

publicity regarding their ''success''.

>

> However whether this can lead to real ''satisfaction' ' or not needs to be

understood by the astrologers who are trying to play dirty.

>

> We MAY NOT bring bad name and reputation for the very shastra which has

given us fame. This will be a great Ninda.

>

> It is human to Err.Let those who are involved in such acts reconsider.

>

> Pradeep

> , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Pradeep,

> >

> > Date stamps, time stamps, article contents -everything has been mucked

around so many times to suit the event and happenings. As you may be aware -this

is a trend / hallmark of his predicive articles. He is a professional astrologer

looking to make money, I doubt if he cares for truth at all. But it brings bad

name to the Vidya itself and other honest astrologers. And astrology is a

unregulated business in this modern age so it is bound to attract money makers.

> >

> > In a related topic...

> > It is the same with other astrologers who run behind fame, name and money.

There is this other astrologer who claims that one of his clients is a $20

billion guy. Apparently, this billionare consults him to invest in a $100

million project. When I told him according to Forbes list there are only 5/6

people with that much money in the world, he has no reply. These are same kind

of people who run behind money, name, fame, change birth times by 10, 15, 20

minutes without any hesitation, claim that they have seen 1000s of charts etc,

even though they started astrology 7/8 years back. Of course to promote his

style, he abuses and accuses other vedic astrologers. In addition, they are

proud of their many legal and illeagal love affairs in personal life.

> >

> > I am not surprised that these things are happening in this internet age.

But there is a yoga karaka period (dasa or bhukti) for everybody to go through

in their lifetime, when the KALACHAKRA comes back to teach the lessons.

> >

> > MS

> >

> >

> > , " Vijayadas " <vijayadas_pradeep@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All

> > >

> > > In our previous thread relating to a similar topic we had wished that

the owner of the mentioned website may kindly stop playing with Jyotish.

> > >

> > > If that gentleman is reading this email, he may kindly re-consider.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Folks,

> > > > Our gentleman astrologer conveniently changed the Roger Federer

prediction this morning, after Roger Federer lost the US Open last night in NY.

Yesterday (Sep 14, 2009), I had read that Federer will win because Sun is

traniting his lagna.

> > > >

> > > > Of course after he lost, the prediction is

> > > >

> > > > " Indian astrology analyst K.B.Gopalakrishnan says that sometimes he

loves federer's amazing tennis. A tennis legend in making and yet many common

people want him to fail because he is great. Like all mean men they can never

digest someone's great success. Any way coming to federer Chennai astrologer

predicts that his cute little twins will bring him lot of success. He will be

winning at least two more grand slams and some more runners-up titles and many

ATP titles. Now only his opponents are getting closer to him. Like all great men

someone like nadal etc will catch him up. Like all great rivalry nadal himself

will win many grand slam titles and their rivalry will be great. "

> > > >

> > > > My question is: where is Sathya (truth) in Sathyaprema?

> > > > MS

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

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--hello friends

 

there has been vicious and malicious campagin going againt my web site

www.sathyaprema.com. especially by the user who has e mail id

nakshatras.

 

first of all we donot write or modify predictions after the event is over. any

one can check the date line and time line which is written

 

all predictions are put in archives

 

when i tried communicating this individual he does even bother to write on the

issue

 

he writes me saying i have not ordered product or refuse to send his number for

communication

 

any prediction which is does not appear correct is put in archives .

 

for example prediction on us open 2009 ladies single final, ladies doubles final

, federer entering final were all correct.

 

most of the time one or two failed prediction is taken high lighted and blown

out of proportion.

 

since it is web site all lies are propgated and they can not stomach number of

predictions which has come true.

bye

gopalakrishnan

astrologer

sathyaprema.com

 

 

- In , " Marg " <margie9 wrote:

>

> Hi

> I agree that some pseudo psychics are interested in fame and wealth, I also

believe quite firmly that people get the astrologers they deserve, and if they

are meant to get a good astrologer and benefit from the reading then they do,

and their chart says that they will......I constantly see this happening in the

charts I read and am assured it works this way, so not to worry, the universe is

greater than it's parts!

> best wishes

> M

> -

> chitra2pada

>

> Friday, September 18, 2009 3:06 PM

> Re: Federer and prediction - Request

>

>

> Margaret

> You make very good points. I am not saying regualtion will this business any

better. In this age of internet, people crave for attention, name, fame and of

course want to make money. Astrologers are no different, as they have to earn

their living. I am not hear to be the moral police.Just highlighted how these so

called professional astrologers who have no morals milk the client of their hard

earned money etc..

> MS

> , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Manjunath, Manoj and list

> > I think it's sad when this kind of trickery is practised in the name of

jyotish. It happens in all areas though including medicine and other strictly

regulated professions.

> > In my own area I recently came across someone who is calling himself an

'expert' vedic astrologer when he has little command of jyotish and has only

just undertaken a basic course in the subject, and says he does tarot readings

as well, compounding problems the rest of us face. I also have to 'battle' with

people believing that astrologers are merely tarot card readers, so for me half

the battle is educating people as to what an astrologer actually does.

> >

> > What makes the task harder is when people call themselves astrologers and

then deliver a tarot reading. I turn away many people every week who only want

tarot readings, but hopefully give them food for thought after I have explained

the difference between that and astrology.

> > I know it's hard for the rest of us who are more diligent in our attempts

to be worthy astrologers, but I have faith that the right people who really will

benefit from a proper astrology reading will come my way.

> >

> > I doubt regulation would sort it out. In the UK even the big Astrological

Association has alienated astrologers due to its league with a big insurance

company. It is attempting to regulate via insurers who insist you can't have

insurance if you don't have certain types of qualifications. Sadly I know people

who have some of the qualifications they demand, but who state quite

categorically they still don't know how to predict or read charts using the

system they have qualified in. So there are pitfalls in demanding regulation

too.

> >

> > There are many associations also, which purportedly add credibility to an

astrological practice, but these are run by self appointed experts. Not only

that I was recently amused by one astro group, keen to regulate, who are

appalled that some astrologers in this country are prescribing yagyas and mantra

and amulets as part of their delivery of astrology....................jiggery

pokery they call it..................but then they only do western

astrology........though they do have a very high profile astrologer as their

president.

> >

> > Regulation is fraught with pitfalls, which is why I think it will only

increase the problems faced by genuine astrologers, though I could be wrong.

> > best wishes

> > M

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > Manoj Kumar

> >

> > Friday, September 18, 2009 7:11 AM

> > Re: Re: Federer and prediction - Request

> >

> >

> > Dear Manjunath ji,

> >

> > If possible, kindly send me all the predictions that he made and then

changed on his website.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Mouji

> >

> > --- On Fri, 9/18/09, Vijayadas <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Vijayadas <vijayadas_pradeep@>

> > Re: Federer and prediction - Request

> >

> > Friday, September 18, 2009, 12:17 AM

> >

> >

> >

> > Manjunath

> >

> > Yes Astrologers are not certified by any organisation/ Body. Thus anybody

who claims to be an astrologer is an astrologer in the eyes of public.In other

words we cannot blame those common crowd, who rates all astrologers as frauds.

> >

> > Astrologers who are looking for new clients and more money have to give

publicity regarding their ''success''.

> >

> > However whether this can lead to real ''satisfaction' ' or not needs to be

understood by the astrologers who are trying to play dirty.

> >

> > We MAY NOT bring bad name and reputation for the very shastra which has

given us fame. This will be a great Ninda.

> >

> > It is human to Err.Let those who are involved in such acts reconsider.

> >

> > Pradeep

> > , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Pradeep,

> > >

> > > Date stamps, time stamps, article contents -everything has been mucked

around so many times to suit the event and happenings. As you may be aware -this

is a trend / hallmark of his predicive articles. He is a professional astrologer

looking to make money, I doubt if he cares for truth at all. But it brings bad

name to the Vidya itself and other honest astrologers. And astrology is a

unregulated business in this modern age so it is bound to attract money makers.

> > >

> > > In a related topic...

> > > It is the same with other astrologers who run behind fame, name and

money. There is this other astrologer who claims that one of his clients is a

$20 billion guy. Apparently, this billionare consults him to invest in a $100

million project. When I told him according to Forbes list there are only 5/6

people with that much money in the world, he has no reply. These are same kind

of people who run behind money, name, fame, change birth times by 10, 15, 20

minutes without any hesitation, claim that they have seen 1000s of charts etc,

even though they started astrology 7/8 years back. Of course to promote his

style, he abuses and accuses other vedic astrologers. In addition, they are

proud of their many legal and illeagal love affairs in personal life.

> > >

> > > I am not surprised that these things are happening in this internet age.

But there is a yoga karaka period (dasa or bhukti) for everybody to go through

in their lifetime, when the KALACHAKRA comes back to teach the lessons.

> > >

> > > MS

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Vijayadas " <vijayadas_pradeep@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear All

> > > >

> > > > In our previous thread relating to a similar topic we had wished that

the owner of the mentioned website may kindly stop playing with Jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > If that gentleman is reading this email, he may kindly re-consider.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Folks,

> > > > > Our gentleman astrologer conveniently changed the Roger Federer

prediction this morning, after Roger Federer lost the US Open last night in NY.

Yesterday (Sep 14, 2009), I had read that Federer will win because Sun is

traniting his lagna.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course after he lost, the prediction is

> > > > >

> > > > > " Indian astrology analyst K.B.Gopalakrishnan says that sometimes he

loves federer's amazing tennis. A tennis legend in making and yet many common

people want him to fail because he is great. Like all mean men they can never

digest someone's great success. Any way coming to federer Chennai astrologer

predicts that his cute little twins will bring him lot of success. He will be

winning at least two more grand slams and some more runners-up titles and many

ATP titles. Now only his opponents are getting closer to him. Like all great men

someone like nadal etc will catch him up. Like all great rivalry nadal himself

will win many grand slam titles and their rivalry will be great. "

> > > > >

> > > > > My question is: where is Sathya (truth) in Sathyaprema?

> > > > > MS

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

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Gopal-ji

Please see my reply...

, " gopal " <gopal_6000 wrote:

>

> --hello friends

>

> there has been vicious and malicious campagin going againt my web site

www.sathyaprema.com. especially by the user who has e mail id nakshatras

>

> first of all we donot write or modify predictions after the event is over. any

one can check the date line and time line which is written

>

> all predictions are put in archives

>

Will show you proof in the form of pdf files that I have saved, before and after

the event. How the prediction that changed, with time stamp being same, date

stamp is also same. So to claim what you are claiming is of no use. I will

substantiate with proof. There are others who have also collected proof.

 

> when i tried communicating this individual he does even bother to write on the

issue

>

I am pretty sure, there is no email from you, other the one that you sent me

couple days back, the same one as this, but I am replying in the ,

so that there is transparency and accountability.

 

> he writes me saying i have not ordered product or refuse to send his number

for communication

>

Baseless stuff...Why would I order a product from you. I will encouraging a

website that is known...You have my email and name, where I live. Why do you

need my number? check all old messages and reply to each and evey one. I

challenge you to be truthful and honest.

 

> any prediction which is does not appear correct is put in archives .

>

> for example prediction on us open 2009 ladies single final, ladies doubles

final , federer entering final were all correct.

 

Your prediction was that Federer would win US open as Sun was transiting his

lagna. You or your website author or somebody changed the article /prediction

next day. I have sent mail to the list detailing what happened. You can read

those and respond to each and every mail that I sent (go back to May/June/July

messages also).

 

 

> most of the time one or two failed prediction is taken high lighted and blown

out of proportion.

 

There is a pattern here that is observed by me and others. Please see old

messages in this list. People are not fools here, we know astrology to the

extent that we can understand, when one changes the prediction after the event.

 

> since it is web site all lies are propgated and they can not stomach number of

predictions which has come true.

> bye

> gopalakrishnan

> astrologer

> sathyaprema.com

>

>

> - In , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi

> > I agree that some pseudo psychics are interested in fame and wealth, I also

believe quite firmly that people get the astrologers they deserve, and if they

are meant to get a good astrologer and benefit from the reading then they do,

and their chart says that they will......I constantly see this happening in the

charts I read and am assured it works this way, so not to worry, the universe is

greater than it's parts!

> > best wishes

> > M

> > -

> > chitra2pada

> >

> > Friday, September 18, 2009 3:06 PM

> > Re: Federer and prediction - Request

> >

> >

> > Margaret

> > You make very good points. I am not saying regualtion will this business

any better. In this age of internet, people crave for attention, name, fame and

of course want to make money. Astrologers are no different, as they have to earn

their living. I am not hear to be the moral police.Just highlighted how these so

called professional astrologers who have no morals milk the client of their hard

earned money etc..

> > MS

> > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Manjunath, Manoj and list

> > > I think it's sad when this kind of trickery is practised in the name of

jyotish. It happens in all areas though including medicine and other strictly

regulated professions.

> > > In my own area I recently came across someone who is calling himself an

'expert' vedic astrologer when he has little command of jyotish and has only

just undertaken a basic course in the subject, and says he does tarot readings

as well, compounding problems the rest of us face. I also have to 'battle' with

people believing that astrologers are merely tarot card readers, so for me half

the battle is educating people as to what an astrologer actually does.

> > >

> > > What makes the task harder is when people call themselves astrologers

and then deliver a tarot reading. I turn away many people every week who only

want tarot readings, but hopefully give them food for thought after I have

explained the difference between that and astrology.

> > > I know it's hard for the rest of us who are more diligent in our

attempts to be worthy astrologers, but I have faith that the right people who

really will benefit from a proper astrology reading will come my way.

> > >

> > > I doubt regulation would sort it out. In the UK even the big

Astrological Association has alienated astrologers due to its league with a big

insurance company. It is attempting to regulate via insurers who insist you

can't have insurance if you don't have certain types of qualifications. Sadly I

know people who have some of the qualifications they demand, but who state quite

categorically they still don't know how to predict or read charts using the

system they have qualified in. So there are pitfalls in demanding regulation

too.

> > >

> > > There are many associations also, which purportedly add credibility to

an astrological practice, but these are run by self appointed experts. Not only

that I was recently amused by one astro group, keen to regulate, who are

appalled that some astrologers in this country are prescribing yagyas and mantra

and amulets as part of their delivery of astrology....................jiggery

pokery they call it..................but then they only do western

astrology........though they do have a very high profile astrologer as their

president.

> > >

> > > Regulation is fraught with pitfalls, which is why I think it will only

increase the problems faced by genuine astrologers, though I could be wrong.

> > > best wishes

> > > M

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > Manoj Kumar

> > >

> > > Friday, September 18, 2009 7:11 AM

> > > Re: Re: Federer and prediction - Request

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Manjunath ji,

> > >

> > > If possible, kindly send me all the predictions that he made and then

changed on his website.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Mouji

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 9/18/09, Vijayadas <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Vijayadas <vijayadas_pradeep@>

> > > Re: Federer and prediction - Request

> > >

> > > Friday, September 18, 2009, 12:17 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Manjunath

> > >

> > > Yes Astrologers are not certified by any organisation/ Body. Thus

anybody who claims to be an astrologer is an astrologer in the eyes of public.In

other words we cannot blame those common crowd, who rates all astrologers as

frauds.

> > >

> > > Astrologers who are looking for new clients and more money have to give

publicity regarding their ''success''.

> > >

> > > However whether this can lead to real ''satisfaction' ' or not needs to

be understood by the astrologers who are trying to play dirty.

> > >

> > > We MAY NOT bring bad name and reputation for the very shastra which has

given us fame. This will be a great Ninda.

> > >

> > > It is human to Err.Let those who are involved in such acts reconsider.

> > >

> > > Pradeep

> > > , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@ ...>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > Date stamps, time stamps, article contents -everything has been mucked

around so many times to suit the event and happenings. As you may be aware -this

is a trend / hallmark of his predicive articles. He is a professional astrologer

looking to make money, I doubt if he cares for truth at all. But it brings bad

name to the Vidya itself and other honest astrologers. And astrology is a

unregulated business in this modern age so it is bound to attract money makers.

> > > >

> > > > In a related topic...

> > > > It is the same with other astrologers who run behind fame, name and

money. There is this other astrologer who claims that one of his clients is a

$20 billion guy. Apparently, this billionare consults him to invest in a $100

million project. When I told him according to Forbes list there are only 5/6

people with that much money in the world, he has no reply. These are same kind

of people who run behind money, name, fame, change birth times by 10, 15, 20

minutes without any hesitation, claim that they have seen 1000s of charts etc,

even though they started astrology 7/8 years back. Of course to promote his

style, he abuses and accuses other vedic astrologers. In addition, they are

proud of their many legal and illeagal love affairs in personal life.

> > > >

> > > > I am not surprised that these things are happening in this internet

age. But there is a yoga karaka period (dasa or bhukti) for everybody to go

through in their lifetime, when the KALACHAKRA comes back to teach the lessons.

> > > >

> > > > MS

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Vijayadas " <vijayadas_pradeep@

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All

> > > > >

> > > > > In our previous thread relating to a similar topic we had wished

that the owner of the mentioned website may kindly stop playing with Jyotish.

> > > > >

> > > > > If that gentleman is reading this email, he may kindly re-consider.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > , " chitra2pada " <nakshatras@ >

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Folks,

> > > > > > Our gentleman astrologer conveniently changed the Roger Federer

prediction this morning, after Roger Federer lost the US Open last night in NY.

Yesterday (Sep 14, 2009), I had read that Federer will win because Sun is

traniting his lagna.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Of course after he lost, the prediction is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Indian astrology analyst K.B.Gopalakrishnan says that sometimes

he loves federer's amazing tennis. A tennis legend in making and yet many common

people want him to fail because he is great. Like all mean men they can never

digest someone's great success. Any way coming to federer Chennai astrologer

predicts that his cute little twins will bring him lot of success. He will be

winning at least two more grand slams and some more runners-up titles and many

ATP titles. Now only his opponents are getting closer to him. Like all great men

someone like nadal etc will catch him up. Like all great rivalry nadal himself

will win many grand slam titles and their rivalry will be great. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My question is: where is Sathya (truth) in Sathyaprema?

> > > > > > MS

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

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