Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Hello Gopal-ji Thanks for the message. " we can do what we like in our web site. " This sentence is enough to put a closure on this topic. I have no use for your website or predictions. The moment a website is up and running to seek prospective jyotish clients, people can go to the website and monitor what is written. I followed your website closely for over six months and found these mundane astrology shenanigans, in addition to the correct predictions, from time to time (I used the word cheating, I still have three or more evidences that I did not share with the group, hence will not retract the word cheating). But the very sentence " we can do what we like in our web site " is a statement that will be music to all budding, existing and prospective astrologers all over the world. This should be printed in all newspapers! They (new astrologers) will also start this marketing game and will try to game the innocent people. Of course, I am not here to clean up the system. There is the great Lord GopalaKrishna everywhere and the laws of nature will run its course. MS , " gopal " <gopal_6000 wrote: > > hello manjunath sharma > > your words bordering on vegenace indeceny and lack any kind of ethics for public forum. > > first of all we remove predictions which has gone wrong from the front page. we will put in archives. we can do what we like in our web site. > > what is wrong in that.we have so many predictions come right. what is wrong in high lighting the correct predictions. > > secondly we have not twisted or modified out come or results of any predictions to adjust to the event. > > to call me a fraud or liar or cheat for this shows just for this shows extreme form of abuse disrespect prejudice. > > i challenge openly why donot you predict any mundane astrology predictions like maharastra elections, cricket matches or even stock markets.empty vessels like you make so much of noise. > > have you ever bothered to high light any predictions which has come right. > > what you are doing is malicious campagain. > > if u have any sense request not to visit our web site read article what is posted. > > i would like stop responding to manju sharma baseless accusations. > bye > gopalakrishnan > > > > , " M.S.Sharma " <nakshatras@> wrote: > > > > > > Folks, > > > > Archives are being modified again as we speak to put all old predictions > > back that was deleted from the website of our gentleman astrologer. See > > for yourself. Thanks to technology, I saved the pdf files yesterday and > > one today... > > > > I have two files saved (pdf files). One from Sep 22, 2009 (2:25pm EDT > > USA), now one today Sep 23, 2009 (10.25pm). See the difference in > > archives. Our astrologer has introduced the original Wimbledon > > prediction back today (sep 23 night , 10:25pm, as I am seeing in East > > Coast Washington DC time). I can mail the pdf files to anyone, who needs > > it. I guess he wanted to reply to my repsonse in one or two days , so > > that he could buy some time to fix archives. What a joke!! Cheating > > again in the name as Astrology. I pity the pathetic state. To cover up > > one lie, he is committing 100 lies..spending countless hours to fix his > > archives and then defend the sloppy job. People are watching, don't keep > > cheating and to cover that lie, don't cheat again and again!! > > > > Sep 22, 2009 > > > > Indian Stock Market. > > > > 􀁺 Bjp Turmoil........Indian Astrology Analysis > > > > 􀁺 Grand slam Title Of Roger Federer. > > > > 􀁺 Jaswanth Expulsion.. > > > > 􀁺 End Of Ricky Ponting Era > > > > 􀁺 Roger Federer & Nadal > > > > 􀁺 The Run Of Sensex > > > > 􀁺 Indian Astrology Predicting better. > > > > 􀁺 Indian Astrology & Ashes Test Series > > > > 􀁺 Iran President > > > > 􀁺 Swine Flu. > > > > 􀁺 Celente Prophecy And Astrology Analysis > > > > 􀁺 Mundane Astrology & Grand Slam > > > > 􀁺 Sensex On Fire > > > > 􀁺 Swine Flu. > > > > 􀁺 Oil Prices > > > > 􀁺 Roger Federer > > > > 􀁺 Kalachakra video > > > > 􀁺 Nadi Astrology Types. > > > > Now see the Sep 23 2009 (10:25pm EDT) archives > > > > Indian Stock Market. > > > > 􀁺 Bjp Turmoil........Indian Astrology Analysis > > > > 􀁺 Grand slam Title Of Roger Federer. > > > > 􀁺 Jaswanth Expulsion.. > > > > 􀁺 End Of Ricky Ponting Era > > > > 􀁺 Roger Federer & Nadal > > > > 􀁺 The Run Of Sensex > > > > 􀁺 Indian Astrology Predicting better. > > > > Wimbledon- 2009 finals match > > > > 􀁺 Indian Astrology & Ashes Test Series > > > > 􀁺 Iran President > > > > 􀁺 Swine Flu. > > > > 􀁺 Celente Prophecy And Astrology Analysis > > > > 􀁺 Mundane > > > > > > > > Watch the T20- Cricket prediction also, he has put the original one > > back. In which he has the teams qualifying. Gawd when is this person > > going to stop fooling the public?? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Dear MS, Perhaps this is what Kalyug is supposed to be! ‘We can do what we like in our web site’!!. Thanks for exposing such shameless cheats. He should offer a public apology for such an atrocious act. I think he should not be allowed to post in public groups till an apology comes from him and he assures that such acts shall not be repeated. This will go a long way in sending a message to many others too who indulge in such malpractices. Integrity is a qualitative outcome of a human being. Possible only when mind, which is the bundle of thoughts, emotions, memory and fears, is transcended. I regret that we have no quality control system for human machines, who are fragmented and work in parts, never wholly! Astrology is divine and the least we can do is to serve it with honesty and integrity! Best Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Dear Manjunath Ji, Publish a book on mundane astrology. That would entail you to do anything in the name of astrology. Try to get a foreword for that book from Shri K.N. Rao. That would entail you to do anything what ever you like in the name of astrology. Predict some thing on mundane astrology that would entail you to do whatever you like in the name of astrology. Oh my God, " We can do what we like in our web site " . This is the height of arrogance and lunacy. No doubt at all. This will surely be the music to the ear of sage Parashara too. Nobody can clean the system. You are absolutely right. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. >>>>>>>Hello Gopal-ji Thanks for the message. " we can do what we like in our web site. " This sentence is enough to put a closure on this topic. I have no use for your website or predictions. The moment a website is up and running to seek prospective jyotish clients, people can go to the website and monitor what is written. I followed your website closely for over six months and found these mundane astrology shenanigans, in addition to the correct predictions, from time to time (I used the word cheating, I still have three or more evidences that I did not share with the group, hence will not retract the word cheating). But the very sentence " we can do what we like in our web site " is a statement that will be music to all budding, existing and prospective astrologers all over the world. This should be printed in all newspapers! They (new astrologers) will also start this marketing game and will try to game the innocent people. Of course, I am not here to clean up the system. There is the great Lord GopalaKrishna everywhere and the laws of nature will run its course. MS>>>>>> >>>>i have published book on mundane astrology which has been published by sagar publications. kn rao was kind enough to publish the book. due to some reason we have to give to sagar. i will ask you two questions have you ever published a book on mundane astrology ? for that matter do you have any list of predictions on mundane astrology especially in sports which has come true ?>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Dear Ravindramani and all members who are taking up this issue on the forum and gopal also directly participating and replying to your mails. Please understand that KN Raoji wrote the foreword and agreed to print his nadi book only based on the novelty and the originality of the work. no one has so far got so many secrets out about the nadi system. i was using them liberally with a good rate of success too before even consenting to edit the book. please appreciate the fact that the book per se is a very honest attempt at revealing so far unwritten secrets about how a nadi reading can be done without the use of a dasa. very simple, very pure yet quite powerful if one knows how to use them properly. the issue you have raised in your mail is, in my humble opinion, unconnected to the book which got published last year in july itself with a foreword from our revered shri kn raoji who is respected for his truthful nature in publicly accepting a prediction gone wrong. high are his ideals. this is a valuable book as an additional technique with which to predict. i am not trying to market or push its sales through this mail as this is the first time i am writing anything about this book since it got published. please do not mistake me if i am mentioning it here. please understand that publishing a good book with a lot of useful techniques for the first time is really different from personal or personality traits like brushing an embarrassing prediction under the carpet. these are two different issues. those involved in bringing out this book have done it in good faith and for the benefit of those deeply interested in furthering their own knowledge or learning other unknown but powerful techniques such as the ones gopal had so generously shared with everyone through his nadi book. sincerely appreciate you all to think over twice before condemning a good book and bringing up kn raoji's name who had consented graciously to publish gopal's work. i would like to also point out that this same gopal had come out with some really very brilliant predictions about the death of LTTE leader prabhakaran and sandalwood smuggler veerappaan, the iraq war, petroleum prices going beyond the 50$ per barrel range way back, and many more. its unfortunate that his sports predictions are not falling in line noticeably in the past few months. honestly i too was pained to read mails about failed predictions, etc. in fact two years back i had written a mail to him that he will have to face some humiliating situations during the saturn's transit in simha. it came about that he is facing it for the past one year many painful events on the personal front. what do they say about the time not being alright for even an astrologer seems true and god wants to show that we are after all human through such tests. i recall writing recently to a highly respected astrologer that it is human to err, divine to forgive but super human to accept one's failures or mistakes, that too publicly. time and again god shows how human we really are through our missed targets. god knows through the time cycle how to crush our massive egos in one masterly stroke. may we learn to be humble about whatever little knowledge that we may possess entirely due to HIS and HIS grace alone. god bless mahalakshmi --- On Fri, 25/9/09, ravindramani <ravindramani wrote: ravindramani <ravindramani Re: Closure at last Friday, 25 September, 2009, 5:36 PM Dear Manjunath Ji, Publish a book on mundane astrology. That would entail you to do anything in the name of astrology. Try to get a foreword for that book from Shri K.N. Rao. That would entail you to do anything what ever you like in the name of astrology. Predict some thing on mundane astrology that would entail you to do whatever you like in the name of astrology. Oh my God, " We can do what we like in our web site " . This is the height of arrogance and lunacy. No doubt at all. This will surely be the music to the ear of sage Parashara too. Nobody can clean the system. You are absolutely right. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. >>>>>>>Hello Gopal-ji Thanks for the message. " we can do what we like in our web site. " This sentence is enough to put a closure on this topic. I have no use for your website or predictions. The moment a website is up and running to seek prospective jyotish clients, people can go to the website and monitor what is written. I followed your website closely for over six months and found these mundane astrology shenanigans, in addition to the correct predictions, from time to time (I used the word cheating, I still have three or more evidences that I did not share with the group, hence will not retract the word cheating). But the very sentence " we can do what we like in our web site " is a statement that will be music to all budding, existing and prospective astrologers all over the world. This should be printed in all newspapers! They (new astrologers) will also start this marketing game and will try to game the innocent people. Of course, I am not here to clean up the system. There is the great Lord GopalaKrishna everywhere and the laws of nature will run its course. MS>>>>>> >>>>i have published book on mundane astrology which has been published by sagar publications. kn rao was kind enough to publish the book. due to some reason we have to give to sagar. i will ask you two questions have you ever published a book on mundane astrology ? for that matter do you have any list of predictions on mundane astrology especially in sports which has come true ?>>>> Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. Learn more. http://in.overview.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Ms. Mahalaxmi Iyer, Please understand Mr. Gopal has first drawn the name of Shri K.N. Rao in the episode without any reason by stating the following: >>>>I have published book on mundane astrology which has been published by sagar publications. kn rao was kind enough to publish the book. due to some reason we have to give to sagar.>>>> I am not taking this issue. Mr. Manjunath has been disclosing some unethical practice, which was being followed in a particular jyotish website owned or maintained by Gopal for quite some time. Gopal was replying to him just now in the last two days. Fine. No issues. Nobody wrote anything. Nobody objected to that. There were some allegations and there were counter replies respectively. That is understandable. Where is the need to bring Shri K.N. Rao’s name here? Who brought his name here? Does he (Gopal) wants to drop names? Does he want to browbeat Manjunath by taking the name of Shri K.N. Rao. What he wanted to convey here? In my opinion, Gopal should not have brought the name of Shri K.N. Rao in this episode. He should have defended himself for his alleged actions himself alone. I know Shri K.N. Rao. I was a student of Shri K.N. Rao for seven years. I keep him in high esteem. I know his ethics. I know his morality. I know his high ideals. I have firsthand information on these things. He regards and respects everybody who does astrology for the sake of astrology – for the true essence of astrology. For that very reason he appreciated this Gopal. Shri K.N. Rao, has openly appreciated an original Prashna technique of Jiger Shah, who is a member of this Group, when he shown that technique here in this very group. He has appreciated many in this very group including me more than one occasions, those messages are in the archives. Where there is a talent, he appreciates and it should be appreciated. That is his very nature. He has appreciated Gopal number of times here in this Group. It is understandable. Nobody has any issues. Mr. Gopal had a good fortune that Shri K.N. Rao appreciated his techniques and kind enough to give a foreword to his book. He should be grateful to him. It is understandable. Now what is the duty of this gentleman? He should emulate Shri K.N. Rao and his teachings in his activities. But what is happening here? Gopal says " We can do what we like in our web site " . It is a slap on all astrologers and all the learned members of this Group. Mr. Gopal could have shared his techniques in that Nadi book for the benefit of the students of astrology. His Nadi techniques must have been useful and works fine in actual practice. That is good. Shri Rao has appreciated his techniques and gave his foreword, which is understandable. Who is condemning his book? Who is condemning Mr. Rao here? You misunderstood. It is his (Gopal) loud proclamation that " We can do what we like in our web site " , that is not palatable to me as a student of astrology and a member of this Group. I expressed my views. I was disturbed by reading those very words in a public forum like this. It was a tight slap on astrology. Kindly aware I have nothing personal against Mr. Gopal. With the God’s grace, I am handsomely paid by Government of India and hold a respectable position. Government provided me with three rooms flat in a prime locality of Delhi. I have food, money and shelter. I do astrology for the essence of astrology. The Almighty and my dashas are favorable to me. Astrology is not the means of livelihood for me. At no time I need to speak untruth in the name of astrology. I have no intentions to write books. I have no intentions to run commercial websites to earn money. Honesty is the first and foremost requirement when you practice astrology and charging money from the public. I don’t need to keep records of successful predictions. Once your integrity is questioned, you should clear those allegations. He is talking of negative karmas. Is there anybody who understood rightly the working of Karma here? Last but not the least; it is the dashas which supported Gopal so far. Without that he could not have predicted successfully so far. It is the blessings of person like Shri K.N. Rao, he has predicted successfully so far. When dashas are favorable for you; be humble, be faithful to those planets who spoke through your tongue. This is the primary teaching of Shri K.N. Rao. That is why he praises Jupiter in 10th house. When dashas are not favorable to you; be keep quiet, pray, worship and wait for the change of adverse dasha, this is another primary teaching of Shri K.N. Rao. I am nobody to advise Mr. Gopal. It was pain reading his proclamations. I think you might know Tamil. You must have heard this line of great poet, Kannadasan. “Pattum nane, Bhavamum Nane, Padum Unnai Nan Pada vaithenâ€. “He is the prediction. He is the Predictor. He makes you to predictâ€. I, a poor mortal, croaking like a frog, I predicted, I predicted and I wrote and I wrote……. What is a pity is this? Can anybody help this frog? Regards, C.S. Ravindramani =============================================================================== On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:25 PM, mahaluxmi iyer <astromahaluxmiwrote: > > > Dear Ravindramani and all members who are taking up this issue on the forum > and gopal also directly participating and replying to your mails. > > Please understand that KN Raoji wrote the foreword and agreed to print his > nadi book only based on the novelty and the originality of the work. no one > has so far got so many secrets out about the nadi system. i was using them > liberally with a good rate of success too before even consenting to edit the > book. please appreciate the fact that the book per se is a very honest > attempt at revealing so far unwritten secrets about how a nadi reading can > be done without the use of a dasa. very simple, very pure yet quite > powerful if one knows how to use them properly. > > the issue you have raised in your mail is, in my humble opinion, > unconnected to the book which got published last year in july itself with a > foreword from our revered shri kn raoji who is respected for his truthful > nature in publicly accepting a prediction gone wrong. high are his ideals. > > this is a valuable book as an additional technique with which to predict. > i am not trying to market or push its sales through this mail as this is the > first time i am writing anything about this book since it got published. > please do not mistake me if i am mentioning it here. > > please understand that publishing a good book with a lot of useful > techniques for the first time is really different from personal or > personality traits like brushing an embarrassing prediction under the > carpet. these are two different issues. those involved in bringing > out this book have done it in good faith and for the benefit of those deeply > interested in furthering their own knowledge or learning other unknown but > powerful techniques such as the ones gopal had so generously shared > with everyone through his nadi book. > > sincerely appreciate you all to think over twice before condemning a good > book and bringing up kn raoji's name who had consented graciously to publish > gopal's work. > > i would like to also point out that this same gopal had come out with some > really very brilliant predictions about the death of LTTE leader prabhakaran > and sandalwood smuggler veerappaan, the iraq war, petroleum prices going > beyond the 50$ per barrel range way back, and many more. its unfortunate > that his sports predictions are not falling in line noticeably in the past > few months. honestly i too was pained to read mails about failed > predictions, etc. in fact two years back i had written a mail to him that > he will have to face some humiliating situations during the saturn's transit > in simha. it came about that he is facing it for the past one year many > painful events on the personal front. > what do they say about the time not being alright for even an astrologer > seems true and god wants to show that we are after all human through such > tests. > > i recall writing recently to a highly respected astrologer that it is human > to err, divine to forgive but super human to accept one's failures or > mistakes, that too publicly. > > time and again god shows how human we really are through our > missed targets. god knows through the time cycle how to crush our massive > egos in one masterly stroke. may we learn to be humble about whatever > little knowledge that we may possess entirely due to HIS and HIS grace > alone. > > god bless > mahalakshmi > > > > > --- On Fri, 25/9/09, ravindramani <ravindramani<ravindramani%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > ravindramani <ravindramani <ravindramani%40gmail.com>> > Re: Closure at last > <%40> > Friday, 25 September, 2009, 5:36 PM > > > > Dear Manjunath Ji, > > Publish a book on mundane astrology. That would entail you to do anything > in the name of astrology. Try to get a foreword for that book from Shri K.N. > Rao. That would entail you to do anything what ever you like in the name of > astrology. Predict some thing on mundane astrology that would entail you to > do whatever you like in the name of astrology. > > Oh my God, " We can do what we like in our web site " . This is the height of > arrogance and lunacy. No doubt at all. This will surely be the music to the > ear of sage Parashara too. > > Nobody can clean the system. You are absolutely right. > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > >>>>>>>Hello Gopal-ji > > Thanks for the message. " we can do what we like in our web site. " This > sentence > is enough to put a closure on this topic. I have no use for your website or > predictions. The moment a website is up and running to seek prospective > jyotish clients, people can go to the website and monitor what is written. I > followed your website closely for over six months and found these mundane > astrology shenanigans, in addition to the correct predictions, from time to > time (I used the word cheating, I still have three or more evidences that I > did not share > with the group, hence will not retract the word cheating). > > But the very sentence " we can do what we like in our web site " is a > statement that will be music to all budding, existing and prospective > astrologers all over the world. This should be printed in all newspapers! > They (new astrologers) will also start this marketing game and will try to > game the innocent people. Of course, I am not here to clean up the system. > There is the great Lord > GopalaKrishna everywhere and the laws of nature will run its course. > > MS>>>>>> > > >>>>i have published book on mundane astrology which has been published by > sagar publications. kn rao was kind enough to publish the book. due to some > reason we have to give to sagar. > > i will ask you two questions > > have you ever published a book on mundane astrology ? > > for that matter do you have any list of predictions on mundane astrology > especially in sports which has come true ?>>>> > > Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. Learn more. > http://in.overview.mail./ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Even I was pained to read through the entire episode. Book having been published by Rao Sir, does not give you the license to start cheating gullible people because astrologers do go wrong. Every astrologer has to go wrong because he is not God Incarnate on Earth. But removing those predictions and allowing only the correct ones to stay at the web-site clearly indicate the intentions behind it. Dont, please, do not give credence to this by saying that all major web-sites do it.  I know Manjunathji and C.S. Ravindramani. In fact, I know Ravindramani better than Manjunathji and I can understand the pain he must have endured at reading Shri K.N. Rao's name being dragged unnecessarily in the entire episode. It is folly of someone and you are trying to hide behind a great individual for no rhyme or reason. Some other time on my views on that book.  Shri K.N. Rao has always and shall always promote and support all the budding astrologers whom he thinks are genuine and have potential to carry forward this science. His fifth lord however is placed in his third house and it has a deeper meaning for all of you to understand.  What is being noticed here is that when a prediction comes true, some person on behalf of the astrologer would cut and paste that prediction in the group proclaiming it loudly. We can understand his honesty well if he similarly proclaims his failed predictions. Please note, all astrologers have to go wrong, have to because none is god incarnate on earth. We can do whatever we like on our website. Well go ahead, do it because it is your website and consequently it is your karmas that you are accummulating. But please for god's sake, do not drag Rao Sir's name un-necessarily.  May be it is the mutual aspect of Saturn/Mars in transit these days and combination of Rahu and Jupiter in transit these days, which is bringing out all these traits.  may good sense prevail......  best wishes,  Mouji --- On Fri, 9/25/09, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani wrote: C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani Re: Re: Closure at last Friday, September 25, 2009, 10:56 PM  Ms. Mahalaxmi Iyer, Please understand Mr. Gopal has first drawn the name of Shri K.N. Rao in the episode without any reason by stating the following: >>>>I have published book on mundane astrology which has been published by sagar publications. kn rao was kind enough to publish the book. due to some reason we have to give to sagar.>>>> I am not taking this issue. Mr. Manjunath has been disclosing some unethical practice, which was being followed in a particular jyotish website owned or maintained by Gopal for quite some time. Gopal was replying to him just now in the last two days. Fine. No issues. Nobody wrote anything. Nobody objected to that. There were some allegations and there were counter replies respectively. That is understandable. Where is the need to bring Shri K.N. Rao’s name here? Who brought his name here? Does he (Gopal) wants to drop names? Does he want to browbeat Manjunath by taking the name of Shri K.N. Rao. What he wanted to convey here? In my opinion, Gopal should not have brought the name of Shri K.N. Rao in this episode. He should have defended himself for his alleged actions himself alone. I know Shri K.N. Rao. I was a student of Shri K.N. Rao for seven years. I keep him in high esteem. I know his ethics. I know his morality. I know his high ideals. I have firsthand information on these things. He regards and respects everybody who does astrology for the sake of astrology – for the true essence of astrology. For that very reason he appreciated this Gopal. Shri K.N. Rao, has openly appreciated an original Prashna technique of Jiger Shah, who is a member of this Group, when he shown that technique here in this very group. He has appreciated many in this very group including me more than one occasions, those messages are in the archives. Where there is a talent, he appreciates and it should be appreciated. That is his very nature. He has appreciated Gopal number of times here in this Group. It is understandable. Nobody has any issues. Mr. Gopal had a good fortune that Shri K.N. Rao appreciated his techniques and kind enough to give a foreword to his book. He should be grateful to him. It is understandable. Now what is the duty of this gentleman? He should emulate Shri K.N. Rao and his teachings in his activities. But what is happening here? Gopal says " We can do what we like in our web site " . It is a slap on all astrologers and all the learned members of this Group. Mr. Gopal could have shared his techniques in that Nadi book for the benefit of the students of astrology. His Nadi techniques must have been useful and works fine in actual practice. That is good. Shri Rao has appreciated his techniques and gave his foreword, which is understandable. Who is condemning his book? Who is condemning Mr. Rao here? You misunderstood. It is his (Gopal) loud proclamation that " We can do what we like in our web site " , that is not palatable to me as a student of astrology and a member of this Group. I expressed my views. I was disturbed by reading those very words in a public forum like this. It was a tight slap on astrology. Kindly aware I have nothing personal against Mr. Gopal. With the God’s grace, I am handsomely paid by Government of India and hold a respectable position. Government provided me with three rooms flat in a prime locality of Delhi. I have food, money and shelter. I do astrology for the essence of astrology. The Almighty and my dashas are favorable to me. Astrology is not the means of livelihood for me. At no time I need to speak untruth in the name of astrology. I have no intentions to write books. I have no intentions to run commercial websites to earn money. Honesty is the first and foremost requirement when you practice astrology and charging money from the public. I don’t need to keep records of successful predictions. Once your integrity is questioned, you should clear those allegations. He is talking of negative karmas. Is there anybody who understood rightly the working of Karma here? Last but not the least; it is the dashas which supported Gopal so far. Without that he could not have predicted successfully so far. It is the blessings of person like Shri K.N. Rao, he has predicted successfully so far. When dashas are favorable for you; be humble, be faithful to those planets who spoke through your tongue. This is the primary teaching of Shri K.N. Rao. That is why he praises Jupiter in 10th house. When dashas are not favorable to you; be keep quiet, pray, worship and wait for the change of adverse dasha, this is another primary teaching of Shri K.N. Rao. I am nobody to advise Mr. Gopal. It was pain reading his proclamations. I think you might know Tamil. You must have heard this line of great poet, Kannadasan. “Pattum nane, Bhavamum Nane, Padum Unnai Nan Pada vaithenâ€. “He is the prediction. He is the Predictor. He makes you to predictâ€. I, a poor mortal, croaking like a frog, I predicted, I predicted and I wrote and I wrote……. What is a pity is this? Can anybody help this frog? Regards, C.S. Ravindramani ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ==== On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:25 PM, mahaluxmi iyer <astromahaluxmi@ .co. in>wrote: > > > Dear Ravindramani and all members who are taking up this issue on the forum > and gopal also directly participating and replying to your mails. > > Please understand that KN Raoji wrote the foreword and agreed to print his > nadi book only based on the novelty and the originality of the work. no one > has so far got so many secrets out about the nadi system. i was using them > liberally with a good rate of success too before even consenting to edit the > book. please appreciate the fact that the book per se is a very honest > attempt at revealing so far unwritten secrets about how a nadi reading can > be done without the use of a dasa. very simple, very pure yet quite > powerful if one knows how to use them properly. > > the issue you have raised in your mail is, in my humble opinion, > unconnected to the book which got published last year in july itself with a > foreword from our revered shri kn raoji who is respected for his truthful > nature in publicly accepting a prediction gone wrong. high are his ideals. > > this is a valuable book as an additional technique with which to predict. > i am not trying to market or push its sales through this mail as this is the > first time i am writing anything about this book since it got published. > please do not mistake me if i am mentioning it here. > > please understand that publishing a good book with a lot of useful > techniques for the first time is really different from personal or > personality traits like brushing an embarrassing prediction under the > carpet. these are two different issues. those involved in bringing > out this book have done it in good faith and for the benefit of those deeply > interested in furthering their own knowledge or learning other unknown but > powerful techniques such as the ones gopal had so generously shared > with everyone through his nadi book. > > sincerely appreciate you all to think over twice before condemning a good > book and bringing up kn raoji's name who had consented graciously to publish > gopal's work. > > i would like to also point out that this same gopal had come out with some > really very brilliant predictions about the death of LTTE leader prabhakaran > and sandalwood smuggler veerappaan, the iraq war, petroleum prices going > beyond the 50$ per barrel range way back, and many more. its unfortunate > that his sports predictions are not falling in line noticeably in the past > few months. honestly i too was pained to read mails about failed > predictions, etc. in fact two years back i had written a mail to him that > he will have to face some humiliating situations during the saturn's transit > in simha. it came about that he is facing it for the past one year many > painful events on the personal front. > what do they say about the time not being alright for even an astrologer > seems true and god wants to show that we are after all human through such > tests. > > i recall writing recently to a highly respected astrologer that it is human > to err, divine to forgive but super human to accept one's failures or > mistakes, that too publicly. > > time and again god shows how human we really are through our > missed targets. god knows through the time cycle how to crush our massive > egos in one masterly stroke. may we learn to be humble about whatever > little knowledge that we may possess entirely due to HIS and HIS grace > alone. > > god bless > mahalakshmi > > > > > --- On Fri, 25/9/09, ravindramani <ravindramani@ gmail.com<ravindramani% 40gmail.com> > > wrote: > > ravindramani <ravindramani@ gmail.com <ravindramani% 40gmail.com> > > Re: Closure at last > <% 40. com> > Friday, 25 September, 2009, 5:36 PM > > > > Dear Manjunath Ji, > > Publish a book on mundane astrology. That would entail you to do anything > in the name of astrology. Try to get a foreword for that book from Shri K.N. > Rao. That would entail you to do anything what ever you like in the name of > astrology. Predict some thing on mundane astrology that would entail you to > do whatever you like in the name of astrology. > > Oh my God, " We can do what we like in our web site " . This is the height of > arrogance and lunacy. No doubt at all. This will surely be the music to the > ear of sage Parashara too. > > Nobody can clean the system. You are absolutely right. > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > >>>>>>>Hello Gopal-ji > > Thanks for the message. " we can do what we like in our web site. " This > sentence > is enough to put a closure on this topic. I have no use for your website or > predictions. The moment a website is up and running to seek prospective > jyotish clients, people can go to the website and monitor what is written. I > followed your website closely for over six months and found these mundane > astrology shenanigans, in addition to the correct predictions, from time to > time (I used the word cheating, I still have three or more evidences that I > did not share > with the group, hence will not retract the word cheating). > > But the very sentence " we can do what we like in our web site " is a > statement that will be music to all budding, existing and prospective > astrologers all over the world. This should be printed in all newspapers! > They (new astrologers) will also start this marketing game and will try to > game the innocent people. Of course, I am not here to clean up the system. > There is the great Lord > GopalaKrishna everywhere and the laws of nature will run its course. > > MS>>>>>> > > >>>>i have published book on mundane astrology which has been published by > sagar publications. kn rao was kind enough to publish the book. due to some > reason we have to give to sagar. > > i will ask you two questions > > have you ever published a book on mundane astrology ? > > for that matter do you have any list of predictions on mundane astrology > especially in sports which has come true ?>>>> > > Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. Learn more. > http://in.overview. mail.. com/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Dear Raj ji, I apologise for my strong words, but the practice of modifying astrological predictions on the website, or anywhere if one has access, to suit one’s own ulterior motives cannot be justified. We all know that a large part of astrology is about predictions and everyone looks up to astrologers for guidance through the forecasts. Websites are now being used for personal publicity and the owner holds the right to write and present whatever he likes. But under NO circumstances is he justified to twist and mould or mis-represent the predictions once given. It is not only a gross statistical aberration, but also unethical and unprofessional. It means fooling innocent viewers about his credentials by wrongly glorifying one’s predictive abilities and presenting a skewed picture. This is also trying to mislead fellow astrologers highlighting only the right predictions and brushing aside the wrong ones! Why predict publicly if one feels insecure when one goes wrong? It was not fair to drag in the name of esteemed Sri Rao jee to give credence to a misdeed. Sri Rao is a true YOGI. He has no parallel today for his honesty, integrity and selfless dedication to Jyotish. Gopalji’s work must be good, so Rao Sir has given a forward for his book. This should have been taken as his blessing to become a better astrologer and a better human being. We, as his students, have learnt to acknowledge our failed predictions as our own limitations and accept the good ones as God’s grace with humility. Finally, one cannot say ‘we can do what we like in our websites’!! How can one be so brazen and blatant after committing such a wrong deed!! This is appalling to say the least! This is what brought about strong reactions from everyone. I echo the sentiments of Manjunath ji, Manoj ji and Ravindramani ji. I apologise for any inconvenience caused. Hope better sense prevails! Best Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 --hello madam, first read my web site fully totally then come to conculsion. i have great respect for mr rao. he is man i looked upon many times in his life.he is great man what is doubt in that. bye gopal - In , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Raj ji, > > I apologise for my strong words, but the practice of modifying astrological > predictions on the website, or anywhere if one has access, to suit one's own > ulterior motives cannot be justified. > > We all know that a large part of astrology is about predictions and everyone > looks up to astrologers for guidance through the forecasts. Websites are now > being used for personal publicity and the owner holds the right to write and > present whatever he likes. But under NO circumstances is he justified to > twist and mould or mis-represent the predictions once given. It is not only > a gross statistical aberration, but also unethical and unprofessional. It > means fooling innocent viewers about his credentials by wrongly glorifying > one's predictive abilities and presenting a skewed picture. This is also > trying to mislead fellow astrologers highlighting only the right predictions > and brushing aside the wrong ones! Why predict publicly if one feels > insecure when one goes wrong? > > It was not fair to drag in the name of esteemed Sri Rao jee to give credence > to a misdeed. Sri Rao is a true YOGI. He has no parallel today for his > honesty, integrity and selfless dedication to Jyotish. Gopalji's work must > be good, so Rao Sir has given a forward for his book. This should have been > taken as his blessing to become a better astrologer and a better human > being. We, as his students, have learnt to acknowledge our failed > predictions as our own limitations and accept the good ones as God's grace > with humility. > > Finally, one cannot say `we can do what we like in our websites'!! How can > one be so brazen and blatant after committing such a wrong deed!! This is > appalling to say the least! This is what brought about strong reactions from > everyone. > > I echo the sentiments of Manjunath ji, Manoj ji and Ravindramani ji. I > apologise for any inconvenience caused. > > Hope better sense prevails! > > Best Regards > Neelam > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Dear Neelam ji, I agree with you that such practices of going back and changing what was stated without 'additional version notes' would be IMMORAL! If someone can manage to live with that -- that is their choice but such infractions and deviations must be brought to public view, obviously! These kinds of practices MUST also bring the beginners particularly and others to realize that Internet Jyotish can be that long stretched out roap bridge which has planks with gaps between the planks! ONE MUST WATCH THEIR STEP and not get too TAKEN by the ambience and beautiful SCENERY that embraces the 'tourist/pilgrim/ who is trying to move from one edge of the HOLY RIVER to the other bank! Ranjan , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Raj ji, > > I apologise for my strong words, but the practice of modifying astrological > predictions on the website, or anywhere if one has access, to suit one's own > ulterior motives cannot be justified. > > We all know that a large part of astrology is about predictions and everyone > looks up to astrologers for guidance through the forecasts. Websites are now > being used for personal publicity and the owner holds the right to write and > present whatever he likes. But under NO circumstances is he justified to > twist and mould or mis-represent the predictions once given. It is not only > a gross statistical aberration, but also unethical and unprofessional. It > means fooling innocent viewers about his credentials by wrongly glorifying > one's predictive abilities and presenting a skewed picture. This is also > trying to mislead fellow astrologers highlighting only the right predictions > and brushing aside the wrong ones! Why predict publicly if one feels > insecure when one goes wrong? > > It was not fair to drag in the name of esteemed Sri Rao jee to give credence > to a misdeed. Sri Rao is a true YOGI. He has no parallel today for his > honesty, integrity and selfless dedication to Jyotish. Gopalji's work must > be good, so Rao Sir has given a forward for his book. This should have been > taken as his blessing to become a better astrologer and a better human > being. We, as his students, have learnt to acknowledge our failed > predictions as our own limitations and accept the good ones as God's grace > with humility. > > Finally, one cannot say `we can do what we like in our websites'!! How can > one be so brazen and blatant after committing such a wrong deed!! This is > appalling to say the least! This is what brought about strong reactions from > everyone. > > I echo the sentiments of Manjunath ji, Manoj ji and Ravindramani ji. I > apologise for any inconvenience caused. > > Hope better sense prevails! > > Best Regards > Neelam > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Dear Friends, Such hue and cry on some Mundane predictions is, in my opinion, worthless. First of all, probability of success or failure is very high in such predictions, usually 50-50. Say whether one person will win a match or not, election results, rise and fall of sensex / economy, occurrence of frequent natural calamities, social / cultural unrest etc. Analogy from natal astrology may be given by questions such as a son or a daughter for the child to be born. Almost invariably, correct and failed predictions conform to their respective probabilities in most of the cases. Obviously, testing predicting skill of any astrologer on such predictions doesn't hold much water. Illustrating, predicting birth of a son correctly in 6 out of 10 cases isn't impressive but can be made spectacular by hiding the 4 failures. Secondly, different astrologers work on different data (for same personalities / events) and arrive at the same conclusions just because of limited possibilities. How funny ? It is certainly not astrology. Here, we must understand two points: 1) Astrology is certainly a great science. 2) Predicting successfully (and meaningfully) is not easy. We should adopt an objective approach, study the classics reading between the lines and do a lot of experimentation preferably leaving aside all mercenary considerations. Blessings of a Guru are of supreme importance. At least, it had been helpful to me. I always try to tell the native a thing or two without asking from him / her. Predicting basic trends, specially in extreme case, is rather easy. It convinces you and lays the foundation of 'Science of Astrology'. Illustrating, material status of a person can be predicted after an examination of 2nd lord, 9th lord and Rajayogas, of course not ignoring the dasa sequence . Still, I failed miserably when I had ignored Vipareet Rajayogas which I am still struggling to understand. It won't be out of place here to remember instances of some great astrologers like one of Shri Vemuri from Andhra given by Shri K.N.Rao. But for that we have to wait till 'astrology is rediscovered'. Praveen Kumar But, internet jyotish, like published predictions, gives a recorded account of one's predictions. On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 7:27 PM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vaniwrote: > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > I agree with you that such practices of going back and changing what was > stated without 'additional version notes' would be IMMORAL! > > If someone can manage to live with that -- that is their choice but such > infractions and deviations must be brought to public view, obviously! > > These kinds of practices MUST also bring the beginners particularly and > others to realize that Internet Jyotish can be that long stretched out roap > bridge which has planks with gaps between the planks! ONE MUST WATCH THEIR > STEP and not get too TAKEN by the ambience and beautiful SCENERY that > embraces the 'tourist/pilgrim/ who is trying to move from one edge of the > HOLY RIVER to the other bank! > > Ranjan > > <%40>, > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > > > Dear Raj ji, > > > > I apologise for my strong words, but the practice of modifying > astrological > > predictions on the website, or anywhere if one has access, to suit one's > own > > ulterior motives cannot be justified. > > > > We all know that a large part of astrology is about predictions and > everyone > > looks up to astrologers for guidance through the forecasts. Websites are > now > > being used for personal publicity and the owner holds the right to write > and > > present whatever he likes. But under NO circumstances is he justified to > > twist and mould or mis-represent the predictions once given. It is not > only > > a gross statistical aberration, but also unethical and unprofessional. It > > means fooling innocent viewers about his credentials by wrongly > glorifying > > one's predictive abilities and presenting a skewed picture. This is also > > trying to mislead fellow astrologers highlighting only the right > predictions > > and brushing aside the wrong ones! Why predict publicly if one feels > > insecure when one goes wrong? > > > > It was not fair to drag in the name of esteemed Sri Rao jee to give > credence > > to a misdeed. Sri Rao is a true YOGI. He has no parallel today for his > > honesty, integrity and selfless dedication to Jyotish. Gopalji's work > must > > be good, so Rao Sir has given a forward for his book. This should have > been > > taken as his blessing to become a better astrologer and a better human > > being. We, as his students, have learnt to acknowledge our failed > > predictions as our own limitations and accept the good ones as God's > grace > > with humility. > > > > Finally, one cannot say `we can do what we like in our websites'!! How > can > > one be so brazen and blatant after committing such a wrong deed!! This is > > appalling to say the least! This is what brought about strong reactions > from > > everyone. > > > > I echo the sentiments of Manjunath ji, Manoj ji and Ravindramani ji. I > > apologise for any inconvenience caused. > > > > Hope better sense prevails! > > > > Best Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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