[Ind-Arch] Fw: Dating of Ramayana Period

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Dear friends,

 

Jai Shri Ram,

 

When Shri Ram was born in Ayodhya at the noon-time there were places on the

earth at some longitude where the Sun was rising. I already told that Ascendent

is also called the " Rising Sun " . I wrote the the phrase " Rising Sun " so that one

who knows the western astrology will be able to appreciate that Lagna is nothing

but the " Rising Sun " , which they use. Shri Ramji was born in Ayodhya at noon

time and the Sun was rising at that time on some places (with particular

longitude on the earth) in the Karkata rashi and thus the Lagna of Shri Ramji is

Karkata. As these things are beyond the comprehension of Shri Kaul he should

leave these things alone. These are for the people who know astrology. Now,

friends, you can well understand why Shri kaul hates astrology. he could not

master even the " abc " of astrology.

 

Bharata was born in Mina lagna as stated in that verse and as I have shown he

was born after 14 hours as there are 7 rashis between Karakata and Mina. But

with zero knowledge oif astrology Shri Kaul will not understand that.

 

It is real Kaliyuga as the People like Shri Kaulji, who does not understand

astrologucal data, are dabbling at it to discredit the Ramayana, Even if the

Balakanda has been interpolated it has been done by a great rishi of the stature

of Valmiki otherwise the people would not have allowed it stay amalgamated with

the other middle kandas of the Ramayana for centuries. Only a man with common

sense can understand this.

 

Jai Shri Ram

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

 

 

--- On Sat, 9/26/09, jyotirved <jyotirved wrote:

 

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[ind-Arch] Fw: Re: Dating of Ramayana Period

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 7:08 PM

Fw: Re: Dating of Ramayana Period

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear friends,

Jai Shri Ram,

Shri Bhattacharjya has said, " Now you can see for yourself that the original

Sanskrit verse says that Bharata was born in Pushya nakshatra (ie. the Moon was

in the Pushya nakshatra) and the

lagna (or the Ascendent also

called the rising Sun)  was in Mina (Pisces), ie. the Sun rose on that

day in Mina........ .. "

 

If Shri Bhattacfharjya, being himself a jyotishi--- apraoksya as well as

parokshya--- says, " the sun rose on that day in Mina " it naturally means that

Bharata was born with the sun in Mina!  The sun of Shri Ram, as per the

same Bhattacharjya- aparokshya as well as parokshya jyotishi---was in

Mesha!  Obviously, Bharata was either younger than Shri Ram by at least

eleven months or elder than Him at least by one day--since the sun does not move

backwards like Rahu, from Mesha to Mina--but from Mina to Mesha!  Or maybe

Bhattacharjya Sun does move even backwards, since if Bhattacharjya Ram can be

born in impossible astronomical combinations, when there were no Mesha etc.

rashis around in the whole world, what power can prevent the

Bhattacharjya sun to go retrograde!  After all, " Vedic astrologers "

are more omnipotent than even Parabrahma, since they can " create " and " destroy "

even divine incarnations whenever it pleases them!

Then again, if the sun of the sons of Sumitra was " kuleere abyudite ravav " ,

why is Shri Bhattacharjya so adamant that it could not mean that the sun of

Shatrugana and Lakshama was in karkata! 

It is surprising that on the one hand Shri Bhattacharjya has himself admitted

that the Balakanda and Uttarakanda of the Ramayana, which contain

astrological details of the charts of Shri Ram and his

siblings, are concoctions by someone other than than Valmiki, 

since that " adulterator " has said that Shri Ram ruled for eleven

thousand years, which does not gell with the views of " Vedic astrologers " ,

but the same Shri Bhattacharjya jyotishi is fighting tooth and nail to

prove those very concoctions by some good for nothng jyotishi to be

correct, just because they contain some impossible astronomical

combinatoins!

Kaliyuga, after all!

Jai Shri Ram

A K Kaul

With regards,

A K Kaul

 

>

> --- On Mon, 9/21/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya

sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

> ,

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

> 

Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya

> Re: Dating of

Ramayana Period

> USBrahmins@gro ups.com

> Cc:

WAVES-Vedic

> Monday, September 21, 2009, 9:40

PM

>

Dear

friends,

>  

> Further to my mail I wish to bring to your

notice that my friend Shri Kaulji has raised doubt about

Bharata's birth on the day following the day of Lord Rama's birth.and he

quoted  a translation of the Ramayana verse 1-18-15. That translation,

which he says he took from the Gita press edition of the Valmiki

Ramayana, is patently wrong as you can see for yourself, if you look at the

original verse, which I am giving below for your ready reference. Shri

Kaulji just copied the wrong translation from that book,

without caring to check whether the translation was correct or

not. 

>  

> The wrong translation was

>

 

> " Bharata of cheerful mind was born when the constellation Pushya

was in the ascendent and the Sun had entered the sign of Pisces, while the twin

sons of Sumitra wereborn when the constellation Ashlesha was in ascendent and

theSun hasreached the meridian touching the Zodiacal sign of karkata ie.

cancer.

>  

> The relevant original verse is as follows :

 

>  

> puShye jaataH tu bharato mIna lagne prasanna dhIH

|

> saarpe jaatau tu saumitrI kuLIre abhyudite ravau ||

1-18-15 

>  

> Now you can see for yourself that the

original Sanskrit verse says that Bharata was born in Pushya nakshatra (ie. the

Moon was in the Pushya nakshatra) and the lagna (or the Ascendent also

called the rising Sun)  was in Mina (Pisces), ie. the Sun rose on that

day in Mina. As Lord Rama was born in Punarvasu nakshatra and his Lagna was

Karkata (cancer) it took 14 hours (+) for the Lagna to be in Mina

ie. for the Sun to rise in Mina (Pisces) when Bharata was born and by

that time the Moon also had reached the Pushya nakshatra. The twin Lakshmana and

Shatrughna were born in the Ashlesha nakshatra (the Nakshatra ruled by sarpa)

when the Sun rose in the (next) morning.

>  

> This is

so because the Lagna remains in one sign only for two hours and

thus in the geocentric model it takes 7 X 2 = 14 hours for the Sun to traverse

the

7 intermediate           

signs between Cancer  and Pisces,  which are : Leo

(Simha). Virgo (Kanya), Libra (Tula), Scorpio (Vrischik) , Dhanu (Saggittarius)

,

Makar (Capricorn) and Kumbha (Aquarius). 

>  

> I

hope Shri Kaulji will take proper care in futuere to check such wrong

translations by referring to the original sanskrit verse.

>  

>

I wish to bring to your notice another important point about the dating of

Ramayana by Dr. P.V.Vartak. He took the precessional data from the five

middle kandas of Ramayana to show that Lord Rama was born around 7300 BCE. 

So, irrespective of whether the Bala kanda and the Uttara kanda are interpolated

or not, one need not have any apprehension about the date of Lord Rama in the

74th century BCE.

>  

> Regards,

>  

> Sunil

K. Bhattacharjya

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<http://ramayana.tigercoder.com/index.php> Ramayana: Bala-kanda CHAPTER

18 Birth of Rama, Bharata, Lakshmana and Shatrughna

When the horse sacrifice and the sacrifice for procuring a son were

concluded, the immortal demigods took their share of the offerings and

departed as they had come. Having completed the period of consecration,

accompanied by his wives, King Dasharatha entered the city with his

servants and soldiers. Having been appropriately honored by the king,

the monarchs of the world were satisfied and, offering respects to the

great sage Rishyashringa, returned to their own lands. Upon leaving the

city of Ayodhya to return to their own homes, the soldiers of the

glorious kings, being overwhelmed with joy, shone brightly. When the

kings had departed, King Dasharatha again entered his capital with the

topmost brahmanas walking before him. Being properly honored and

followed by the wise king and his entourage, Rishyashringa departed with

his wife Shanta. Sending them all away in this manner and completely

achieving his desired goal, the king happily resided in Ayodhya while

thinking about the birth of his sons.

 

After the sacrifice had been completed, one year elapsed. Then in the

twelfth month called Caitra (April), on the ninth day, when the asterism

Punarvasu was in the ascendant, the five planets—Sun, Mars, Saturn,

Jupiter and Venus—were exalted, and Jupiter and the Moon were in the

sign of Cancer, the Lord of the universe who is worshiped in all the

worlds appeared from the womb of Kausalya as Rama, possessing divine

marks. Her son was manifested from the half portion of the rice pudding

given by Lord Vishnu. He was the most fortunate son of the Ikshvaku

Dynasty. His eyes were reddish, His arms strong, His lips red and His

voice like the sound of a drum. Kausalya shone with the immeasurable

splendor of her son, like Aditi with her son Indra, the lord of the gods

who carries a thunderbolt in his hand. To Kaikeyi was born a son of true

prowess named Bharata. Being produced from the quarter portion of the

rice pudding, he was endowed with all the transcendental qualities of

Lord Vishnu Himself. Then, Sumitra gave birth to two sons—Lakshmana

and Shatrughna. They were valorous, expert in all weaponry and endowed

with one eighth of the qualities of Lord Vishnu. Bharata was born when

the constellation Pushya was in the ascendant and the Sun was in Pisces.

The two sons of Sumitra were born when the constellation ashlesha was in

the ascendant and the sun was in Cancer. The four great-souled-sons of

the king were born separately. They were endowed with all good

qualities, and resembled one another. In splendor they were equal to the

four stars of the constellation Bhadrapada.

 

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

>

> Jai Shri Ram,

>

> When Shri Ram was born in Ayodhya at the noon-time there were places

on the earth at some longitude where the Sun was rising. I already told

that Ascendent is also called the " Rising Sun " . I wrote the the phrase

" Rising Sun " so that one who knows the western astrology will be able to

appreciate that Lagna is nothing but the " Rising Sun " , which they use.

Shri Ramji was born in Ayodhya at noon time and the Sun was rising at

that time on some places (with particular longitude on the earth) in the

Karkata rashi and thus the Lagna of Shri Ramji is Karkata. As these

things are beyond the comprehension of Shri Kaul he should leave these

things alone. These are for the people who know astrology. Now, friends,

you can well understand why Shri kaul hates astrology. he could not

master even the " abc " of astrology.

>

> Bharata was born in Mina lagna as stated in that verse and as I have

shown he was born after 14 hours as there are 7 rashis between Karakata

and Mina. But with zero knowledge oif astrology Shri Kaul will not

understand that.

>

> It is real Kaliyuga as the People like Shri Kaulji, who does not

understand astrologucal data, are dabbling at it to discredit the

Ramayana, Even if the Balakanda has been interpolated it has been done

by a great rishi of the stature of Valmiki otherwise the people would

not have allowed it stay amalgamated with the other middle kandas of the

Ramayana for centuries. Only a man with common sense can understand

this.

>

> Jai Shri Ram

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

>

>

> --- On Sat, 9/26/09, jyotirved jyotirved wrote:

>

> jyotirved jyotirved

> [ind-Arch] Fw: Re: Dating of Ramayana Period

> indiaarchaeology

> Saturday, September 26, 2009, 6:44 AM

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> jyotirved

> @ grups. com

> Saturday, September 26, 2009 7:08 PM

> Fw: Re: Dating of Ramayana Period

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Dear friends,

> Jai Shri Ram,

> Shri Bhattacharjya has said, " Now you can see for yourself that the

original

> Sanskrit verse says that Bharata was born in Pushya nakshatra (ie. the

Moon was

> in the Pushya nakshatra) and the

> lagna (or the Ascendent also

> called the rising Sun) was in Mina (Pisces), ie. the Sun rose on that

> day in Mina........ .. "

>

> If Shri Bhattacfharjya, being himself a jyotishi--- apraoksya as well

as

> parokshya--- says, " the sun rose on that day in Mina " it naturally

means that

> Bharata was born with the sun in Mina! The sun of Shri Ram, as per

the

> same Bhattacharjya- aparokshya as well as parokshya jyotishi---was in

> Mesha! Obviously, Bharata was either younger than Shri Ram by at

least

> eleven months or elder than Him at least by one day--since the sun

does not move

> backwards like Rahu, from Mesha to Mina--but from Mina to Mesha! Or

maybe

> Bhattacharjya Sun does move even backwards, since if Bhattacharjya Ram

can be

> born in impossible astronomical combinations, when there were no Mesha

etc.

> rashis around in the whole world, what power can prevent the

> Bhattacharjya sun to go retrograde! After all, " Vedic astrologers "

> are more omnipotent than even Parabrahma, since they can " create " and

" destroy "

> even divine incarnations whenever it pleases them!

> Then again, if the sun of the sons of Sumitra was " kuleere abyudite

ravav " ,

> why is Shri Bhattacharjya so adamant that it could not mean that the

sun of

> Shatrugana and Lakshama was in karkata!

> It is surprising that on the one hand Shri Bhattacharjya has himself

admitted

> that the Balakanda and Uttarakanda of the Ramayana, which contain

> astrological details of the charts of Shri Ram and his

> siblings, are concoctions by someone other than than Valmiki,

> since that " adulterator " has said that Shri Ram ruled for eleven

> thousand years, which does not gell with the views of " Vedic

astrologers " ,

> but the same Shri Bhattacharjya jyotishi is fighting tooth and nail to

> prove those very concoctions by some good for nothng jyotishi to be

> correct, just because they contain some impossible astronomical

> combinatoins!

> Kaliyuga, after all!

> Jai Shri Ram

> A K Kaul

> With regards,

> A K Kaul

>

> >

> > --- On Mon, 9/21/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya

> sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

> > ,

> Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

> >

> Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya

> > Re: Dating of

> Ramayana Period

> > USBrahmins@gro ups.com

> > Cc:

> WAVES-Vedic

> > Monday, September 21, 2009, 9:40

> PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear

> friends,

> >

> > Further to my mail I wish to bring to your

> notice that my friend Shri Kaulji has raised doubt about

> Bharata's birth on the day following the day of Lord Rama's birth.and

he

> quoted a translation of the Ramayana verse 1-18-15. That translation,

> which he says he took from the Gita press edition of the Valmiki

> Ramayana, is patently wrong as you can see for yourself, if you look

at the

> original verse, which I am giving below for your ready reference. Shri

> Kaulji just copied the wrong translation from that book,

> without caring to check whether the translation was correct or

> not.

> >

> > The wrong translation was

> >

>

> > " Bharata of cheerful mind was born when the constellation Pushya

> was in the ascendent and the Sun had entered the sign of Pisces, while

the twin

> sons of Sumitra wereborn when the constellation Ashlesha was in

ascendent and

> theSun hasreached the meridian touching the Zodiacal sign of karkata

ie.

> cancer.

> >

> > The relevant original verse is as follows :

>

> >

> > puShye jaataH tu bharato mIna lagne prasanna dhIH

> |

> > saarpe jaatau tu saumitrI kuLIre abhyudite ravau ||

> 1-18-15

> >

> > Now you can see for yourself that the

> original Sanskrit verse says that Bharata was born in Pushya nakshatra

(ie. the

> Moon was in the Pushya nakshatra) and the lagna (or the Ascendent also

> called the rising Sun) was in Mina (Pisces), ie. the Sun rose on that

> day in Mina. As Lord Rama was born in Punarvasu nakshatra and his

Lagna was

> Karkata (cancer) it took 14 hours (+) for the Lagna to be in Mina

> ie. for the Sun to rise in Mina (Pisces) when Bharata was born and by

> that time the Moon also had reached the Pushya nakshatra. The twin

Lakshmana and

> Shatrughna were born in the Ashlesha nakshatra (the Nakshatra ruled by

sarpa)

> when the Sun rose in the (next) morning.

> >

> > This is

> so because the Lagna remains in one sign only for two hours and

> thus in the geocentric model it takes 7 X 2 = 14 hours for the Sun to

traverse

> the

> 7 intermediate

> signs between Cancer and Pisces, which are : Leo

> (Simha). Virgo (Kanya), Libra (Tula), Scorpio (Vrischik) , Dhanu

(Saggittarius) ,

> Makar (Capricorn) and Kumbha (Aquarius).

> >

> > I

> hope Shri Kaulji will take proper care in futuere to check such wrong

> translations by referring to the original sanskrit verse.

> >

> >

> I wish to bring to your notice another important point about the

dating of

> Ramayana by Dr. P.V.Vartak. He took the precessional data from the

five

> middle kandas of Ramayana to show that Lord Rama was born around 7300

BCE.

> So, irrespective of whether the Bala kanda and the Uttara kanda are

interpolated

> or not, one need not have any apprehension about the date of Lord Rama

in the

> 74th century BCE.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sunil

> K. Bhattacharjya

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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