Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Dear Shri Kaul, I sincerely appreciate your contrarian views and have read most of your posts. I do believe you have some interesting and useful thoughts on the purpose of Astrology and the future of predictions. I would however, request you to stop making this discussion personal and make any remarks (positive or negative) about any member of this forum. I hope you understand and respond positively. warm regards, raj rao Moderator, Jyotish Group , " Krishen " <jyotirved wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > Jai Shri Ram! > > SKB is again making a fool of himself by putting his knowledge (actually > ignorance) on public display! He has said, " According to some > scholars Yama in Veda is the Saturn in Jyotisha and I agree with that. > Yama is the son of the Sun and so also is the Saturn the son of the Sun. > They have the same type of vahana " . > > Why is he enigmatic? Why does he not name the scholars according to > whom Yama in Veda is the Saturn in Jyotisha? Again, the heading of the > post is " Vaivarta Puran & Prakriti Khand. > </message/24791> " . Is > that a Veda? > > SKB says Yama is the son of the sun! That is news to me! Kathopanishad > tells us that even gods succumb to Yama ultimately! In other words, > Yama will kill his own father one day! If Yama was born after the sun, > how could it become Yama? Just through the efforts of " Vedic > astrologers " ? > > Further, is SKB sure that the vahanas of Yama and Saturn are the same? > Will he pl. quote the exact authorities with their meanings? IMHO, the > vahana of Saturn is a vulture whereas that of Yama a buffalo! > > But maybe according to the omniscient SKB there is no difference between > a vulture and a buffalo--just as a Scropion is equal to a Crocodile in > their " equal division rashichakra " .! > > And to crown all such foolish statements with the " wisdom " of > further non-sense, jyotish-samrat SKB and company will calculate the > longitude, latitude etc. of Yama-raja through heliocentric orbital > elements from JPL/NASA and call that the longitude of > " Yamaraja " ! Can there be any more foolish statement than he > same? My God! Is there no limit to the stupidities of " Vedic > astrologers " ? > > In the posts attached with SKB's mail, some " Vedic > astrologer " has made the following comments > > <Mahatma goswami tulsi Das ji was trikal darshi and if you read Ram > charit Manas…..> > > As already clarified in an earlier post, Goswami Tulsidas has not said > anywhere that Bhagwan Ram had five planets exalted or He was born in > Karkata lagna etc. or Bharata was born with the sun or lagna in Mina or > Shaturgna and Lakshmana with the sun in Karkata and so on! That means > that Goswami Tulsidas did not agree with the good for nothing > jyotishi's interpolations in the VR or AR! > > That is why all that Tulsidasji has said in Doha No. 190 in Balakanda > is: " All the planets, tithi etc. at the time of birth of Bhagwan > Ram were favourable " . > > Tulsidas has not even said that Bhagwan Ram was born in Punarvasu > nakshatra! That again means that Goswami Tulsidas could understand, > unlike jyotish samrat SKB, that it was impossible for anyone to be born > in Madhumasa with the sun in Mesha and then Shukla paksha navmi and > Punnarvasu nakshatra! He has simply said, " navmi tithi madhumas > puneeta, sukapachha abhijit hari preeta " > > That itself should have paid put to " Vedic astrologers " foolish attempts > to subjugate Bhagwan Ram to planetary suzerainty! But then " Vedic > astrologers " being actually Kaliyugi astrologers, they will interpret > everything according to their sinister motives! > > If you peruse the contents of the complete post of SKB further, you can > see the following " quotable quotes " > > 1)Durga : Planet is Mars > > 2)Laxmi : Planet is Venus. > > 3)Saraswati : Planet is Mercury. > > > 4)Savitri : Planet is Jupiter. > > 5)Radha. : Planet is Saturn. " > > Since Radha was a contemporary of Shri Krishen, which according to > Bhata-jyotish-acharjya was in about 3200 BCE, that means there was no > Saturn before then! > > SKB being " know it all " , will he please clarify whether it is > Yama that is Saturn or it is Radha that is Saturn? Was Radha the > daughter of Sun? If yes, then she should be the sister of Yama and not > Yama himself/herself! > > BTW, what is the date of birth of Radhia a.k.a Saturn the Yama? Why not > erect a " Vedic horoscope " for her/him? > > SKB appears to be in his real " paroskhya " mode and by now we > know what that means---HALLUCINATION. > > Jai Shri Ram! > > A K Kaul > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya > <sunil_bhattacharjya@> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > According to some scholars Yama in Veda is the Saturn in Jyotisha and > I agree with that.. Yama is the son of the Sun and so also is the Saturn > the son of the Sun. They have the same type of vahana. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ > > Re: Vaivarta Puran & Prakriti > Khand. > > > > Sunday, October 4, 2009, 9:30 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Radha is Saturn ..... looks good, great discovery !! > > > > > > > > ~utkal. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Akhil Mishra > > > > astro6301@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar ji > > > > > Mahatma goswami tulsi Das ji was trikal darshi and if you read > > > > Ram charit Manas and Geetwali you will get lot of quotes related > > > > with Jyotish. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Dr Mishra > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Vaivarta Puran & Prakriti > > > > Khand. > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Received: Monday, October 5, 2009, 3:52 AM > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is mentioned in the Tulsidasa Ramayana in the initial Chapters, > > > > in some shloka (If someone wishes to know which one, I can locate this > > > > after reaching Bombay) though I did not mention this, because people > > > > will say that Tulsidasji is of recent origin...etc, so I kept quiet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the rest of your mail, I am not eligible enough or competent > to > > > > answer or comment on the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > goyalvj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Bhrama Vaivatra Puran, (Pg 85 Gita press Gorakhpur) in Prakriti > > > > Khanda, Bhagwan Narayan says to Narada that on five Devi is called > > > > Prakriti in which this Universe is dependent. > > > > > > > > > > > These five Devi are : > > > > > > > > > > > 1)Durga (who is mother of Ganesh) > > > > > > > > > > > 2)Laxmi > > > > > > > > > > > 3)Saraswati > > > > > > > > > > > 4)Savitri > > > > > > > > > > > 5)Radha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think these are referred as Five Tattwas and just a though came > to > > > > my mind to relate these with five planets as following: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1)Durga : Planet is Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > 2)Laxmi : Planet is Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > 3)Saraswati : Planet is Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > 4)Savitri : Planet is Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > 5)Radha. : Planet is Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Rahu\ketu and sun\moon are excluded in basic scheme of > > > > tattwas still we can classify by putting Rahu and ketu with Durga, Sun > > > > with Saraswati & Moon with Savitri. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is just my thought and shared with all, if you find > appropriate > > > > than discuss it else leave it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou, > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who wish to learn about the real source of astrology and > the > > > > > > > > > > > > timings etc. must make an independent reading and study into the > > > > ancient > > > > > > > > > > > > puranas and must not allow themselves to be influenced by any > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > > > texts or, websites on such subjects. 3 years of study of the > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > would give one an indepth knowledge and original knowledge of > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology on Nakshatras , Vedic astrology and allied subjects. > > > > Just > > > > > > > > > > > > Forget the commonly known astrological texts we are accustomed > to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read these and one has read all - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Narada Purana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Padma Purana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Brahmavaarvat Purana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently I posted some lines on Nishedha food for certain Masas > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > tithis. These come from " BrahmaVaarvat Puraana " Page 78 (Gita > > > > Press). > > > > > > > > > > > > The above will teach one real astrology and not the " Bankas > > > > bakwaas " > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology we notice all around us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above advice comes from a real Yogi and not from me. I have > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > this Yogi perform real miracles in day times, a man who can call > > > > at will > > > > > > > > > > > > anyone from the atmosphere, a man who can predict the time of > > > > death to > > > > > > > > > > > > the minute, a man who can tell you what planets are placed where > > > > in Your > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope without even opening or closing his eyes. He is my > > > > Spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > , mantra and Jyotish Guru who can just see a person and tell him > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > planets in his Horoscope indicate the source of his ills. He is > > > > the best > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotishi I have seen till date, and about 25 years ago I have > seen > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > explaining Horoscopes like nobody else and giving sureshot > > > > remedies. He > > > > > > > > > > > > can exorcise the most evil Pisachini gripping a person with his > > > > powers . > > > > > > > > > > > > He has completed the Dus Mahavidyas in his early youth and > > > > attained > > > > > > > > > > > > Siddhis which very few can claim in times of today. When he > > > > conducts > > > > > > > > > > > > Yagnas the animals like Owls and snakes connected to the Diety > > > > (Whose > > > > > > > > > > > > pooja is conducted) come and sit across near him till the Yagna > is > > > > > > > > > > > > completed and he receives thus the blessings of the Diety. My > > > > nephew was > > > > > > > > > > > > in the last stage of his Cancer and he just with his power of > Yoga > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > in one sentence commanded all the blood cells to rejunevate and > > > > removed > > > > > > > > > > > > the Cancer in a minute. Whereas the foremost Cancer Surgeon of > > > > Asia , > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.Advani at jaslok hospital, Bombay had finally after giving > the > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum number of chemotherapies which can be given to any human > > > > being, > > > > > > > > > > > > had lost hope and asked us to call all relatives for the final > > > > journey > > > > > > > > > > > > of the boy. Such a great person is he. I have witnessed many > such > > > > of his > > > > > > > > > > > > miracles in the last 25 years of my existence. He just has to > > > > > > > > > > > > think(Concentrate) for a moment (Few seconds) about You and all > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge about you becomes accessible to him. He stopped > > > > predicting > > > > > > > > > > > > from actual Horoscopes in the early 90's after having attained > > > > Siddhis > > > > > > > > > > > > from his own Guru Pahadi Baba. Anyways I do not wish to speak > much > > > > > > > > > > > > about him, but just send this above message across to all > > > > Jyotishis who > > > > > > > > > > > > are really sincere and wish to actually help people and make > this > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > a better place to live in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " > > > > <sreesog@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following is a passage from the translation of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maitrayana-Brahmaya Upanishad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > //14. And thus it has been said elsewhere: Food is the cause > of > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > this, time of food, and the sun is the cause of time. The > > > > (visible) > > > > > > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > > > > > of time is the year, consisting of twelve months, made up of > > > > Nimeshas > > > > > > > > > > > > > (twinklings) and other measures. Of the year one half (when > the > > > > sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > moves northward) belongs to Agni, the other to Varuna (when > the > > > > sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > moves southward). That which belongs to Agni begins with the > > > > asterism > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Magha and ends with half of the asterism of Sravishtha, the > sun > > > > > > > > > > > > stepping > > > > > > > > > > > > > down northward. That which belongs to Soma (instead of Varuna) > > > > begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the asterism (of Aslesha), sacred to the Serpents, and > ends > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > half of the asterism of Sravishtha, the sun stepping up > > > > southward. And > > > > > > > > > > > > > then there (are the months) one by one, belonging to the year, > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > > consisting of nine-fourths of asterisms (two asterisms and a > > > > quarter > > > > > > > > > > > > > being the twelfth part of the passage of the sun through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > twenty-seven Nakshatras), each deter mined by the sun moving > > > > together > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the asterisms. Because time is imperceptible by sense, > > > > therefore > > > > > > > > > > > > > this (the progress of the stin, & c.) is its evidence, and by > it > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > time proved to exist. Without proof there is no apprehension > of > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be proved; but even what is to be proved can become proof, > > > > for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > sake of making itself known, if the parts (the twinklings, > & c.) > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > distinguished from the whole (time). For thus it is said: // > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I am really interested and is curious about is the words > > > > " And > > > > > > > > > > > > > then there (are the months) one by one, belonging to the year, > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > > consisting of nine-fourths of asterisms " . Months (Signs) > > > > consisting of > > > > > > > > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra padas each!!! This could be one of the oldest > > > > reference to > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signs! Do any one you provide me with the original quotes? Our > > > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhattacharjya ji also would be interested in this reference I > > > > believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the possible period of origin of Maitrayana-Brahmaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > Upanishad? Is there any internal evidence available to date > this > > > > text? > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the period to which the modern day scholars believe > this > > > > text > > > > > > > > > > > > > belongs to? 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Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Shri Kaul, Come and let us see who is making fool of himself- you or me: 1) You are mistaken. I am not enigmatic and I judge issues on their own merit merit while considering the views of all others. I did say that I am myself convinced that Yama is Shani. There are other cases like this too. The Rudra of the Veda is the Shiva in the Purana and the Swarbhanu of Veda is the Rahu / Ketu in astrology. I need not mention who are all the people who believe like me. Will you please let us know why you try to use the names of Meghnad Saha, Dixit and other personalities to give weight to your views instead of discussing the issues on their own merit?. Please reply. 2) Agreed that the heading of the thread is " “Vaivarta Puran & Prakriti Khand.†but if you would have opened your eyes you would have seen that one of the topics discussed was who is Shani in the purana (fifth Veda) and I added who represents Shani in the Rig Veda. Do you consider it to be a crime? Please reply. 3) You said that Kathopanishad says that even gods succumb to Yama ultimately. You have misunderstood the Upanishad. The message of all the Upanishads is that evrybody ultimately realises the oneness with the Brahman. " Sarvam Khalvidam Brahma " . Even Yama has a limited life. Will you refrain from misinterpreting the Shastras? Please reply. 4) Do you know that Saraswati has two vahanas ie. the Swan as well as the Peacock.  Moreover you do not understand astrology as I have shown earlier. You do not know that there are 12 Lagnas in a day of 24 hours and that is why you could not understand how Bharata could take birth after 14 hours in Mina Lagna. In the Original Sanskrit verse it is clearly given " Mina Lagne " .  In astrology the vahana of Shani is buffalo and one of the daanas for propitiation of Shani if buffalo. May be Shani Maharaj may not be able to fly with buffalo like he will able to do with the Vulture (some say it is crow). Will you stop dabbling at astrology? Please reply. I hope you will not evade replying to the five points above. If you call my points as foolish can I not call your comments as utterly idiotic in the light of the above? You also said : Quote In the posts attached with SKB’s mail, some “Vedic astrologer†has made the following comments <Mahatma goswami tulsi Das ji was trikal darshi and if you read Ram charit Manas…..> As already clarified in an earlier post, Goswami Tulsidas has not said anywhere that Bhagwan Ram had five planets exalted or He was born in Karkata lagna etc. or Bharata was born with the sun or lagna in Mina or Shaturgna and Lakshmana with the sun in Karkata and so on! That means that Goswami Tulsidas did not agree with the good for nothing jyotishi’s interpolations in the VR or AR! That is why all that Tulsidasji has said in Doha No. 190 in Balakanda is: â€All the planets, tithi etc. at the time of birth of Bhagwan Ram were favourableâ€. Tulsidas has not even said that Bhagwan Ram was born in Punarvasu nakshatra! That again means that Goswami Tulsidas could understand, unlike jyotish samrat SKB,  that it was impossible for anyone to be born in Madhumasa with the sun in Mesha and then Shukla paksha navmi and Punnarvasu nakshatra!  Tulsidasji has simply said, " navmi tithi madhumas puneeta, sukalpachha abhijit hari preeta " That itself should have paid put to " Vedic astrologers " foolish attempts to subjugate Bhagwan Ram to planetary suzerainty! But then " Vedic astrologers " being actually Kaliyugi astrologers, they will interpret everything according to their sinister motives! If you peruse the contents of the complete post of SKB further, you can see the following “quotable quotes†“ 1)Durga : Planet is Mars 2)Laxmi : Planet is Venus. 3)Saraswati : Planet is Mercury. 4)Savitri : Planet is Jupiter. 5)Radha. : Planet is Saturn.†Since Radha was a contemporary of Shri Krishen, which according to Bhata-jyotish- acharjya was in about 3200 BCE, that means there was no Saturn before then! Now why are you afraid of taking the names of Shri Bhaskarli and Shri Goyelji, who made the above statements. Where did I say Radha is the daughter of Sun? Whom are you asking to prepare the vedic horoscope of Radha and Saturn / the Yama? Only a lunatic will say so. With your zero knowledge please stop ridiculing the Parokshya and Pratyaksha knowledge. You are having bad days and i suggest that you show your horoscope to some good astrologer and / or go to a good psychiatrist. Sincerely, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Mon, 10/5/09, jyotishi <raj wrote: jyotishi <raj Re: Vaivarta Puran & Prakriti Khand. Monday, October 5, 2009, 9:06 AM  Dear Shri Kaul, I sincerely appreciate your contrarian views and have read most of your posts. I do believe you have some interesting and useful thoughts on the purpose of Astrology and the future of predictions. I would however, request you to stop making this discussion personal and make any remarks (positive or negative) about any member of this forum. I hope you understand and respond positively. warm regards, raj rao Moderator, Jyotish Group , " Krishen " <jyotirved@. ..> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > Jai Shri Ram! > > SKB is again making a fool of himself by putting his knowledge (actually > ignorance) on public display! He has said, " According to some > scholars Yama in Veda is the Saturn in Jyotisha and I agree with that. > Yama is the son of the Sun and so also is the Saturn the son of the Sun. > They have the same type of vahana " . > > Why is he enigmatic? Why does he not name the scholars according to > whom Yama in Veda is the Saturn in Jyotisha? Again, the heading of the > post is " Vaivarta Puran & Prakriti Khand. > <http://groups. / group/JyotishGro up/message/ 24791> " . Is > that a Veda? > > SKB says Yama is the son of the sun! That is news to me! Kathopanishad > tells us that even gods succumb to Yama ultimately! In other words, > Yama will kill his own father one day! If Yama was born after the sun, > how could it become Yama? Just through the efforts of " Vedic > astrologers " ? > > Further, is SKB sure that the vahanas of Yama and Saturn are the same? > Will he pl. quote the exact authorities with their meanings? IMHO, the > vahana of Saturn is a vulture whereas that of Yama a buffalo! > > But maybe according to the omniscient SKB there is no difference between > a vulture and a buffalo--just as a Scropion is equal to a Crocodile in > their " equal division rashichakra " .! > > And to crown all such foolish statements with the " wisdom " of > further non-sense, jyotish-samrat SKB and company will calculate the > longitude, latitude etc. of Yama-raja through heliocentric orbital > elements from JPL/NASA and call that the longitude of > " Yamaraja " ! Can there be any more foolish statement than he > same? My God! Is there no limit to the stupidities of " Vedic > astrologers " ? > > In the posts attached with SKB's mail, some " Vedic > astrologer " has made the following comments > > <Mahatma goswami tulsi Das ji was trikal darshi and if you read Ram > charit Manas…..> > > As already clarified in an earlier post, Goswami Tulsidas has not said > anywhere that Bhagwan Ram had five planets exalted or He was born in > Karkata lagna etc. or Bharata was born with the sun or lagna in Mina or > Shaturgna and Lakshmana with the sun in Karkata and so on! That means > that Goswami Tulsidas did not agree with the good for nothing > jyotishi's interpolations in the VR or AR! > > That is why all that Tulsidasji has said in Doha No. 190 in Balakanda > is: " All the planets, tithi etc. at the time of birth of Bhagwan > Ram were favourable " . > > Tulsidas has not even said that Bhagwan Ram was born in Punarvasu > nakshatra! That again means that Goswami Tulsidas could understand, > unlike jyotish samrat SKB, that it was impossible for anyone to be born > in Madhumasa with the sun in Mesha and then Shukla paksha navmi and > Punnarvasu nakshatra! He has simply said, " navmi tithi madhumas > puneeta, sukapachha abhijit hari preeta " > > That itself should have paid put to " Vedic astrologers " foolish attempts > to subjugate Bhagwan Ram to planetary suzerainty! But then " Vedic > astrologers " being actually Kaliyugi astrologers, they will interpret > everything according to their sinister motives! > > If you peruse the contents of the complete post of SKB further, you can > see the following " quotable quotes " > > 1)Durga : Planet is Mars > > 2)Laxmi : Planet is Venus. > > 3)Saraswati : Planet is Mercury. > > > 4)Savitri : Planet is Jupiter. > > 5)Radha. : Planet is Saturn. " > > Since Radha was a contemporary of Shri Krishen, which according to > Bhata-jyotish- acharjya was in about 3200 BCE, that means there was no > Saturn before then! > > SKB being " know it all " , will he please clarify whether it is > Yama that is Saturn or it is Radha that is Saturn? Was Radha the > daughter of Sun? If yes, then she should be the sister of Yama and not > Yama himself/herself! > > BTW, what is the date of birth of Radhia a.k.a Saturn the Yama? Why not > erect a " Vedic horoscope " for her/him? > > SKB appears to be in his real " paroskhya " mode and by now we > know what that means---HALLUCINATI ON. > > Jai Shri Ram! > > A K Kaul > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya > <sunil_bhattacharjy a@> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > According to some scholars Yama in Veda is the Saturn in Jyotisha and > I agree with that.. Yama is the son of the Sun and so also is the Saturn > the son of the Sun. They have the same type of vahana. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Vaivarta Puran & Prakriti > Khand. > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sunday, October 4, 2009, 9:30 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Radha is Saturn ..... looks good, great discovery !! > > > > > > > > ~utkal. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Akhil Mishra > > > > astro6301@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar ji > > > > > Mahatma goswami tulsi Das ji was trikal darshi and if you read > > > > Ram charit Manas and Geetwali you will get lot of quotes related > > > > with Jyotish. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Dr Mishra > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Vaivarta Puran & Prakriti > > > > Khand. > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Received: Monday, October 5, 2009, 3:52 AM > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is mentioned in the Tulsidasa Ramayana in the initial Chapters, > > > > in some shloka (If someone wishes to know which one, I can locate this > > > > after reaching Bombay) though I did not mention this, because people > > > > will say that Tulsidasji is of recent origin...etc, so I kept quiet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About the rest of your mail, I am not eligible enough or competent > to > > > > answer or comment on the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > goyalvj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Bhrama Vaivatra Puran, (Pg 85 Gita press Gorakhpur) in Prakriti > > > > Khanda, Bhagwan Narayan says to Narada that on five Devi is called > > > > Prakriti in which this Universe is dependent. > > > > > > > > > > > These five Devi are : > > > > > > > > > > > 1)Durga (who is mother of Ganesh) > > > > > > > > > > > 2)Laxmi > > > > > > > > > > > 3)Saraswati > > > > > > > > > > > 4)Savitri > > > > > > > > > > > 5)Radha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think these are referred as Five Tattwas and just a though came > to > > > > my mind to relate these with five planets as following: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1)Durga : Planet is Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > 2)Laxmi : Planet is Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > 3)Saraswati : Planet is Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > 4)Savitri : Planet is Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > 5)Radha. : Planet is Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Rahu\ketu and sun\moon are excluded in basic scheme of > > > > tattwas still we can classify by putting Rahu and ketu with Durga, Sun > > > > with Saraswati & Moon with Savitri. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is just my thought and shared with all, if you find > appropriate > > > > than discuss it else leave it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou, > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who wish to learn about the real source of astrology and > the > > > > > > > > > > > > timings etc. must make an independent reading and study into the > > > > ancient > > > > > > > > > > > > puranas and must not allow themselves to be influenced by any > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > > > texts or, websites on such subjects. 3 years of study of the > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > would give one an indepth knowledge and original knowledge of > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology on Nakshatras , Vedic astrology and allied subjects. > > > > Just > > > > > > > > > > > > Forget the commonly known astrological texts we are accustomed > to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read these and one has read all - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Narada Purana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Padma Purana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Brahmavaarvat Purana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently I posted some lines on Nishedha food for certain Masas > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > tithis. These come from " BrahmaVaarvat Puraana " Page 78 (Gita > > > > Press). > > > > > > > > > > > > The above will teach one real astrology and not the " Bankas > > > > bakwaas " > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology we notice all around us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above advice comes from a real Yogi and not from me. I have > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > this Yogi perform real miracles in day times, a man who can call > > > > at will > > > > > > > > > > > > anyone from the atmosphere, a man who can predict the time of > > > > death to > > > > > > > > > > > > the minute, a man who can tell you what planets are placed where > > > > in Your > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope without even opening or closing his eyes. He is my > > > > Spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > , mantra and Jyotish Guru who can just see a person and tell him > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > planets in his Horoscope indicate the source of his ills. He is > > > > the best > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotishi I have seen till date, and about 25 years ago I have > seen > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > explaining Horoscopes like nobody else and giving sureshot > > > > remedies. He > > > > > > > > > > > > can exorcise the most evil Pisachini gripping a person with his > > > > powers . > > > > > > > > > > > > He has completed the Dus Mahavidyas in his early youth and > > > > attained > > > > > > > > > > > > Siddhis which very few can claim in times of today. When he > > > > conducts > > > > > > > > > > > > Yagnas the animals like Owls and snakes connected to the Diety > > > > (Whose > > > > > > > > > > > > pooja is conducted) come and sit across near him till the Yagna > is > > > > > > > > > > > > completed and he receives thus the blessings of the Diety. My > > > > nephew was > > > > > > > > > > > > in the last stage of his Cancer and he just with his power of > Yoga > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > in one sentence commanded all the blood cells to rejunevate and > > > > removed > > > > > > > > > > > > the Cancer in a minute. Whereas the foremost Cancer Surgeon of > > > > Asia , > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.Advani at jaslok hospital, Bombay had finally after giving > the > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum number of chemotherapies which can be given to any human > > > > being, > > > > > > > > > > > > had lost hope and asked us to call all relatives for the final > > > > journey > > > > > > > > > > > > of the boy. Such a great person is he. I have witnessed many > such > > > > of his > > > > > > > > > > > > miracles in the last 25 years of my existence. He just has to > > > > > > > > > > > > think(Concentrate) for a moment (Few seconds) about You and all > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge about you becomes accessible to him. He stopped > > > > predicting > > > > > > > > > > > > from actual Horoscopes in the early 90's after having attained > > > > Siddhis > > > > > > > > > > > > from his own Guru Pahadi Baba. Anyways I do not wish to speak > much > > > > > > > > > > > > about him, but just send this above message across to all > > > > Jyotishis who > > > > > > > > > > > > are really sincere and wish to actually help people and make > this > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > a better place to live in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " > > > > <sreesog@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following is a passage from the translation of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maitrayana-Brahmaya Upanishad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > //14. And thus it has been said elsewhere: Food is the cause > of > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > this, time of food, and the sun is the cause of time. The > > > > (visible) > > > > > > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > > > > > of time is the year, consisting of twelve months, made up of > > > > Nimeshas > > > > > > > > > > > > > (twinklings) and other measures. Of the year one half (when > the > > > > sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > moves northward) belongs to Agni, the other to Varuna (when > the > > > > sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > moves southward). That which belongs to Agni begins with the > > > > asterism > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Magha and ends with half of the asterism of Sravishtha, the > sun > > > > > > > > > > > > stepping > > > > > > > > > > > > > down northward. That which belongs to Soma (instead of Varuna) > > > > begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the asterism (of Aslesha), sacred to the Serpents, and > ends > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > half of the asterism of Sravishtha, the sun stepping up > > > > southward. And > > > > > > > > > > > > > then there (are the months) one by one, belonging to the year, > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > > consisting of nine-fourths of asterisms (two asterisms and a > > > > quarter > > > > > > > > > > > > > being the twelfth part of the passage of the sun through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > twenty-seven Nakshatras), each deter mined by the sun moving > > > > together > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the asterisms. Because time is imperceptible by sense, > > > > therefore > > > > > > > > > > > > > this (the progress of the stin, & c.) is its evidence, and by > it > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > time proved to exist. Without proof there is no apprehension > of > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be proved; but even what is to be proved can become proof, > > > > for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > sake of making itself known, if the parts (the twinklings, > & c.) > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > distinguished from the whole (time). For thus it is said: // > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I am really interested and is curious about is the words > > > > " And > > > > > > > > > > > > > then there (are the months) one by one, belonging to the year, > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > > consisting of nine-fourths of asterisms " . Months (Signs) > > > > consisting of > > > > > > > > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra padas each!!! This could be one of the oldest > > > > reference to > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signs! Do any one you provide me with the original quotes? Our > > > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhattacharjya ji also would be interested in this reference I > > > > believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the possible period of origin of Maitrayana-Brahmaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > Upanishad? Is there any internal evidence available to date > this > > > > text? > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the period to which the modern day scholars believe > this > > > > text > > > > > > > > > > > > > belongs to? 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