Astrology a science?--you must be joking!

[Guest guest]

Shri Bhupendra Jamnadasji,

 

Jai Shri Ram!

 

Many thanks for your #6023 in asthikasamaj.

 

< I have on and off been reading your emails and what I would like to

know is that do you propose that astrology as a science is a farce or is

it that what we people know of astrology is not correct?>

 

Regarding astrology as a science, the facts are as follows:

 

" Correct predictions can be made only from incorrect data " It is

evident that planetary longitudes, whether so called sayana or nirayana,

throughout the world till a couple of centuries back, i.e. till the

advent of Kepler and then overseas observatories etc.. were calculated

either from useless works like the Surya Sidhanta by Maya the mlechha or

the good-for-nothing astronomical works like Grahalaghava in India

and/or Ptolemy's Almagest or such other works in the West or some Zijs

based on Brahma-gupta's works like Khanda-khadyaka etc. in the Arabian

countries! All those astronomical works are anything but correct---they

are actually away by light years from the reality---as is evident from

the planetary polynomials of modern astronomy! It can also be checked

by anybody from Vishnu.exe program in hinducalendar forum.

 

Thus correct predictions were and are still being made only from

incorrect data!

 

If jyotishis, whether Eastern or Western or Arabian or Iranian etc.

could and can make correct (sic!) predictions from that very useless and

absolutely wrong planetary data, you can well imagine as to what kind of

a science astrology is!

 

" Modern " Planets have nothing in common with " ancient

planets " ! Similarly, the planets like Mangal, Budha, Shani etc. that

are being calculated on the basis of data from JPL/NASA etc. these days

have absolutely nothing like the planetary qualities described in the

Jyotisha Shastras or Puranas etc.---whether it is Sphujidwaja's Yavana

Jatakam or Varahamihira's Brihat Jatakam or the so called Brihat

Parashari of the so called Parashara or any Purana! In fact, the

planetary qualities of jyotisha shastras/puranas are quite contrary to

astronomical facts! For example, Shukracharya (astrologers'

Venus!) is the preceptor of demons and a " karaka " for poetry and females

as per Indian jyotishis whereas according to Western jyotishis, it is

known as Aphrodites---the goddess of love and beauty! But astronomical

Venus is an inanimate planet full of acidic rains and unpredictable

fluctuations in temperature etc. etc. actually!

 

Mangal is said to be the son of the earth and is commander-in-chief of

planets. It is supposed to create havoc in married lives because of

Manglika qualities etc. etc. as per jyotisha shastra. For Western

astrologers, it is the Greek god Ares and shows the sexual prowess in

male members of the society. Astronomically. the poor planet Mars is as

helpless as any other inanimate wandering body actually is!

 

Brihaspati is said to be the Guru of gods like Indra and Varuna and Agni

and even Surya and Chandrama as per jyotisha shastras. Ironically, as

per Puranas, Brihaspati's wife Tara was abducted by none other than

the Moon, whose guru Brihaspati is---something like a student kidnapping

the wife of his Chancellor. As per Western astrology, Jupiter is the

supreme deity of ancient Romans, the god of heaven known as Zeus, whose

sister as well as wife (incest!?) is Juno, the daughter of Satrun! But

the poor planet Jupiter, inanimate as it is, is helpless in reality when

it gets hammering from comets like Schumacher-Levi!

 

Saturn (dukha-karaka Shani!) is the illegitimate son of the sun and is

the most dreaded planet as per Indian and Western jyotishis. It is also

the karaka for death! It is identified by Western jyotishis as the

Greek god Cronus. Astronomically, however, it is one of the most

beautiful, though inanimate, planets to look at, with more satellites

and rings than any other planet!

 

Mercury is the illegitimate son of Tara, the wife of Brihaspati, from

Chandrama, It is the karaka for budhih and youth (Does it mean that

illegitimate children are intelligent and youthful?). In Western

astrology, it is one of the ancient Roman gods and is identified with

the Greek god Hermes. Astronomically, it is the planet---inanimate, of

course----nearest the sun, which means it bears the maximum brunt of

heat (and even cold!).

 

" Planets " like Rahu and Ketu are more dreaded than anything else in

Indian astrology and as per the Puranas, they are said to be so powerful

that they devour the sun and the moon on every eclipse which somehow

escape their fury by sleight of hands! They can even engulf all the

rest of seven planets, including the sun and the moon, and result in

dire consequences like doom and what not if all the seven planets

(including the two lights!) are between the two i.e. Rahu and

Ketu---euphemistically known as Kala Sarpa Dosha! To crown it all,

Kethu is said to be Mokshakaraka---the " planet " ruling over the

final beatitude! Western astronomers, however, are not very vocal about

lunar Nodes, though of late some " research " has been started on

these two " Planets " also by them.

 

Astronomically, however, Rahu and Ketu are just two mathematical

points---they do not have any dimensions, not to speak of any qualities

of devouring the sun and the moon! No wonder no jyotishi-sadhu has got

Moksha till date, ruled as it is by a non-existent (non-)entity!

 

Astronomy is in direct conflict with jyotisha shastras and puranas

Besides, the dimensions of planets and their distances from the sun even

the nakshatras are much different as per jyotisha shastras and puranas

vis-à-vis astronomical data!

 

As per jyotisha shastras---both Eastern and Western----and Puranas, the

universe---including the planets--- is geocentric, i.e. the sun, moon

and even the constellations move around the earth, whereas, as is common

knowledge by now, the planets including the earth revolve round the sun

and the sun in turn has its own movements in the constellation belt,

which in turn has its own motions and so on!

 

Then again, the planets including Rahu and Ketu are supposed to give us

results via dasha-bhuktis-pratyanataras of innumerable kinds---right

from Vimshotari (120 years) to Yogini (36 years) to Ashtotari (108

years) to Tribhagi (reduction of one hird of dasha of every planet!) to

Kalachakra to what not! All those dasha-bhuktis are as intangible and

elusive as the grin of the Cheshire cat, but we are supposed to be

governed by them!

 

Non-existent Mesha etc. rashis govern individuals, nations and

countries! Planets also are supposed to affect us through Mesha etc.

Rashis as per jyotisha shastra, both Eastern and Western, but

astronomically rashis are an " imaginary circle of animals " of an

imaginary belt known as ecliptic! Thus we are " enjoying " the results of

the inanimate planets through imaginary " circle of animals "

moving around an imaginary belt!

 

No wonder, nobody is sure as to which rashi starts from where and ranges

up to what point! Some say the Rashichakra starts from Vernal

Equinox---and they call themselves Tropical astrologers. Others say

that it starts from some Star! But they are fighting among themselves

like Kilkenny cats as to which Star it is wherefrom the rashichakra

starts! IMHO, that dispute is not going to end in the near future! It

may last till eternity---who knows! For instance, if Lahiri Shani has

entered Kanya on September 9 as per Lahiriwalas, it has entered that

sign (rashi) about two years back as per Tropical-walas but will enter

that very Rashi on an entirely different date as per Muladhara i.e.

Chandra Hari-walas and still some other date as per Sury Sidhanta-walas

and yet another date as per Ramana-walas and still some other date as

per Raivata-paksha-walas and so on! That means anybody's sade-sati etc.

can start from any date, depending on the whims of the concerned

jyotishi as to which rashichakra he chooses!

 

Astronomically, there is no question of a Rashi starting or ending since

those " equal divisions " do not exist at all in reality!

 

Hundreds of divisions and subdivisions of imaginary " circle of

animals " govern us! To analyze the horoscope minutely, each

imaginary division of the imaginary zodiac is further subdivided by

jyotishis into equal parts like Hora (two divisions), Dreshkan (three

divisions--decanate), Saptamsha (seven divisions), navamsha (nine

divisions), Dwadashamsha (twelve divisions), trimshamsha (thirty

divisions), shashtyamsha (sixty divisions) and what not! Thus you can

see it for yourself as to what kind of a " molecular " science it

is---each imaginary division divided into hundreds of imaginary

subdivisions and so on!

 

To make predictions more concrete, each rashi is also simultaneously

divided into 2.25 nakshatras---thus the imaginary rashichakra is also

divided simultaneously into twenty-seven equal imaginary divisions known

as nakshatras! Like Rashichakra, nobody knows as to from which point the

nakshatra-division starts! Some say it starts from the Vernal

Equinox--- " Tropical Vedic astrologers " with Ashvini nakshatra, others

say it starts from ten degrees before the longitude of Ashvini Star

itself ---Lahiriwalas---still others say it starts from Revati star

itself---Revitpaksha-walas---yet others say that it starts from a point

of the Vernal Equinox when it was opposite the start Chitra in 285

AD--Lahiriwalas---and so on! As if not satisfied with these millions of

confusions and conundrums, each nakshatra is further sub-divided into

" padas " sub-divisions, on the basis of which the bhukta-bhogya of

dasha-bhukti etc. etc. is decided! (To be continued)

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear,

Is it Sri Avtar Krishan Kaul writing, Who used to publish Sri Krishan panchang

in olden days?

 

Writing sounds devoid of para element that constitutes soul of Vedic and puranic

literatures.

 

Everyone knows para vidyas are not exact sciences.

 

Any way , It is nice view of other side of fence.Please continue other part as

promised.It makes good and educative reading for childrens and modern thinking

minds.

 

If It Is Avtar Krishan kaul Your ephemeries contained Your horoscope

and Birth data usually on second page.In my library I am not getting Copy of

It.Can you share your birth data.

 

with regards.

 

 

RCS

 

, " Krishen " <jyotirved wrote:

>

>

> Shri Bhupendra Jamnadasji,

>

> Jai Shri Ram!

>

> Many thanks for your #6023 in asthikasamaj.

>

> < I have on and off been reading your emails and what I would like to

> know is that do you propose that astrology as a science is a farce or is

> it that what we people know of astrology is not correct?>

>

> Regarding astrology as a science, the facts are as follows:

>

> " Correct predictions can be made only from incorrect data " It is

> evident that planetary longitudes, whether so called sayana or nirayana,

> throughout the world till a couple of centuries back, i.e. till the

> advent of Kepler and then overseas observatories etc.. were calculated

> either from useless works like the Surya Sidhanta by Maya the mlechha or

> the good-for-nothing astronomical works like Grahalaghava in India

> and/or Ptolemy's Almagest or such other works in the West or some Zijs

> based on Brahma-gupta's works like Khanda-khadyaka etc. in the Arabian

> countries! All those astronomical works are anything but correct---they

> are actually away by light years from the reality---as is evident from

> the planetary polynomials of modern astronomy! It can also be checked

> by anybody from Vishnu.exe program in hinducalendar forum.

>

> Thus correct predictions were and are still being made only from

> incorrect data!

>

> If jyotishis, whether Eastern or Western or Arabian or Iranian etc.

> could and can make correct (sic!) predictions from that very useless and

> absolutely wrong planetary data, you can well imagine as to what kind of

> a science astrology is!

>

> " Modern " Planets have nothing in common with " ancient

> planets " ! Similarly, the planets like Mangal, Budha, Shani etc. that

> are being calculated on the basis of data from JPL/NASA etc. these days

> have absolutely nothing like the planetary qualities described in the

> Jyotisha Shastras or Puranas etc.---whether it is Sphujidwaja's Yavana

> Jatakam or Varahamihira's Brihat Jatakam or the so called Brihat

> Parashari of the so called Parashara or any Purana! In fact, the

> planetary qualities of jyotisha shastras/puranas are quite contrary to

> astronomical facts! For example, Shukracharya (astrologers'

> Venus!) is the preceptor of demons and a " karaka " for poetry and females

> as per Indian jyotishis whereas according to Western jyotishis, it is

> known as Aphrodites---the goddess of love and beauty! But astronomical

> Venus is an inanimate planet full of acidic rains and unpredictable

> fluctuations in temperature etc. etc. actually!

>

> Mangal is said to be the son of the earth and is commander-in-chief of

> planets. It is supposed to create havoc in married lives because of

> Manglika qualities etc. etc. as per jyotisha shastra. For Western

> astrologers, it is the Greek god Ares and shows the sexual prowess in

> male members of the society. Astronomically. the poor planet Mars is as

> helpless as any other inanimate wandering body actually is!

>

> Brihaspati is said to be the Guru of gods like Indra and Varuna and Agni

> and even Surya and Chandrama as per jyotisha shastras. Ironically, as

> per Puranas, Brihaspati's wife Tara was abducted by none other than

> the Moon, whose guru Brihaspati is---something like a student kidnapping

> the wife of his Chancellor. As per Western astrology, Jupiter is the

> supreme deity of ancient Romans, the god of heaven known as Zeus, whose

> sister as well as wife (incest!?) is Juno, the daughter of Satrun! But

> the poor planet Jupiter, inanimate as it is, is helpless in reality when

> it gets hammering from comets like Schumacher-Levi!

>

> Saturn (dukha-karaka Shani!) is the illegitimate son of the sun and is

> the most dreaded planet as per Indian and Western jyotishis. It is also

> the karaka for death! It is identified by Western jyotishis as the

> Greek god Cronus. Astronomically, however, it is one of the most

> beautiful, though inanimate, planets to look at, with more satellites

> and rings than any other planet!

>

> Mercury is the illegitimate son of Tara, the wife of Brihaspati, from

> Chandrama, It is the karaka for budhih and youth (Does it mean that

> illegitimate children are intelligent and youthful?). In Western

> astrology, it is one of the ancient Roman gods and is identified with

> the Greek god Hermes. Astronomically, it is the planet---inanimate, of

> course----nearest the sun, which means it bears the maximum brunt of

> heat (and even cold!).

>

> " Planets " like Rahu and Ketu are more dreaded than anything else in

> Indian astrology and as per the Puranas, they are said to be so powerful

> that they devour the sun and the moon on every eclipse which somehow

> escape their fury by sleight of hands! They can even engulf all the

> rest of seven planets, including the sun and the moon, and result in

> dire consequences like doom and what not if all the seven planets

> (including the two lights!) are between the two i.e. Rahu and

> Ketu---euphemistically known as Kala Sarpa Dosha! To crown it all,

> Kethu is said to be Mokshakaraka---the " planet " ruling over the

> final beatitude! Western astronomers, however, are not very vocal about

> lunar Nodes, though of late some " research " has been started on

> these two " Planets " also by them.

>

> Astronomically, however, Rahu and Ketu are just two mathematical

> points---they do not have any dimensions, not to speak of any qualities

> of devouring the sun and the moon! No wonder no jyotishi-sadhu has got

> Moksha till date, ruled as it is by a non-existent (non-)entity!

>

> Astronomy is in direct conflict with jyotisha shastras and puranas

> Besides, the dimensions of planets and their distances from the sun even

> the nakshatras are much different as per jyotisha shastras and puranas

> vis-à-vis astronomical data!

>

> As per jyotisha shastras---both Eastern and Western----and Puranas, the

> universe---including the planets--- is geocentric, i.e. the sun, moon

> and even the constellations move around the earth, whereas, as is common

> knowledge by now, the planets including the earth revolve round the sun

> and the sun in turn has its own movements in the constellation belt,

> which in turn has its own motions and so on!

>

> Then again, the planets including Rahu and Ketu are supposed to give us

> results via dasha-bhuktis-pratyanataras of innumerable kinds---right

> from Vimshotari (120 years) to Yogini (36 years) to Ashtotari (108

> years) to Tribhagi (reduction of one hird of dasha of every planet!) to

> Kalachakra to what not! All those dasha-bhuktis are as intangible and

> elusive as the grin of the Cheshire cat, but we are supposed to be

> governed by them!

>

> Non-existent Mesha etc. rashis govern individuals, nations and

> countries! Planets also are supposed to affect us through Mesha etc.

> Rashis as per jyotisha shastra, both Eastern and Western, but

> astronomically rashis are an " imaginary circle of animals " of an

> imaginary belt known as ecliptic! Thus we are " enjoying " the results of

> the inanimate planets through imaginary " circle of animals "

> moving around an imaginary belt!

>

> No wonder, nobody is sure as to which rashi starts from where and ranges

> up to what point! Some say the Rashichakra starts from Vernal

> Equinox---and they call themselves Tropical astrologers. Others say

> that it starts from some Star! But they are fighting among themselves

> like Kilkenny cats as to which Star it is wherefrom the rashichakra

> starts! IMHO, that dispute is not going to end in the near future! It

> may last till eternity---who knows! For instance, if Lahiri Shani has

> entered Kanya on September 9 as per Lahiriwalas, it has entered that

> sign (rashi) about two years back as per Tropical-walas but will enter

> that very Rashi on an entirely different date as per Muladhara i.e.

> Chandra Hari-walas and still some other date as per Sury Sidhanta-walas

> and yet another date as per Ramana-walas and still some other date as

> per Raivata-paksha-walas and so on! That means anybody's sade-sati etc.

> can start from any date, depending on the whims of the concerned

> jyotishi as to which rashichakra he chooses!

>

> Astronomically, there is no question of a Rashi starting or ending since

> those " equal divisions " do not exist at all in reality!

>

> Hundreds of divisions and subdivisions of imaginary " circle of

> animals " govern us! To analyze the horoscope minutely, each

> imaginary division of the imaginary zodiac is further subdivided by

> jyotishis into equal parts like Hora (two divisions), Dreshkan (three

> divisions--decanate), Saptamsha (seven divisions), navamsha (nine

> divisions), Dwadashamsha (twelve divisions), trimshamsha (thirty

> divisions), shashtyamsha (sixty divisions) and what not! Thus you can

> see it for yourself as to what kind of a " molecular " science it

> is---each imaginary division divided into hundreds of imaginary

> subdivisions and so on!

>

> To make predictions more concrete, each rashi is also simultaneously

> divided into 2.25 nakshatras---thus the imaginary rashichakra is also

> divided simultaneously into twenty-seven equal imaginary divisions known

> as nakshatras! Like Rashichakra, nobody knows as to from which point the

> nakshatra-division starts! Some say it starts from the Vernal

> Equinox--- " Tropical Vedic astrologers " with Ashvini nakshatra, others

> say it starts from ten degrees before the longitude of Ashvini Star

> itself ---Lahiriwalas---still others say it starts from Revati star

> itself---Revitpaksha-walas---yet others say that it starts from a point

> of the Vernal Equinox when it was opposite the start Chitra in 285

> AD--Lahiriwalas---and so on! As if not satisfied with these millions of

> confusions and conundrums, each nakshatra is further sub-divided into

> " padas " sub-divisions, on the basis of which the bhukta-bhogya of

> dasha-bhukti etc. etc. is decided! (To be continued)

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri RCS,

 

Jai Shri Ram!

 

I am unable to recall your full name. In any case, the following

#No.6287 in hinducalendar forum should answer your question, at least

partially!

 

Jai Shri Ram!

 

A K Kaul

 

 

HinduCalendar

<HinduCalendar > , " Krishen " <jyotirved

wrote:

 

Dear friends,

Jai Shri Ram!

I am glad that quite a few members have started taking interest again in

calendar reform! This is all due to Shri Hair Malla's untiring efforts

to thrust down everybody's throat an imaginary ayanamsha, which he does

not understand himself! But no doubt, his intentions are not selfish or

evil.

Moral of the story: If one works in a selfless manner for something, the

results are always healthy, even if the methods adopted appear out of

the box! In fact, I entered the calendar-reform fray only after I had

become a " well known astrologer " through my Shri Krishn Universal

Ephemeris and Panchang for several years! My aim was to arrive at Truth

and nothing but Truth about jyotisha---and the Truth is that preedictive

gimmikcs are anti-Vedic and they have landed us in the mess of going off

the track from the real Vedic calendar!

Jai Shri Ram!

AKK

 

HinduCalendar

<HinduCalendar > , vishwamitra Rawat

<v_vishwamitra@> wrote:

>

> hari ji, may i know what are the two thins which are coordinated in

your coordinated system and at what are they coordinated.

>

 

--- End forwarded message ---

 

 

, " Swami_rcs " <swami.rcs wrote:

>

>

> Dear,

> Is it Sri Avtar Krishan Kaul writing, Who used to publish Sri Krishan

panchang in olden days?

>

> Writing sounds devoid of para element that constitutes soul of Vedic

and puranic literatures.

>

> Everyone knows para vidyas are not exact sciences.

>

> Any way , It is nice view of other side of fence.Please continue other

part as promised.It makes good and educative reading for childrens and

modern thinking minds.

>

> If It Is Avtar Krishan kaul Your ephemeries contained Your horoscope

> and Birth data usually on second page.In my library I am not getting

Copy of It.Can you share your birth data.

>

> with regards.

>

>

> RCS

>

> , " Krishen " jyotirved@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Shri Bhupendra Jamnadasji,

> >

> > Jai Shri Ram!

> >

> > Many thanks for your #6023 in asthikasamaj.

> >

> > < I have on and off been reading your emails and what I would like

to

> > know is that do you propose that astrology as a science is a farce

or is

> > it that what we people know of astrology is not correct?>

> >

> > Regarding astrology as a science, the facts are as follows:

> >

> > " Correct predictions can be made only from incorrect data " It is

> > evident that planetary longitudes, whether so called sayana or

nirayana,

> > throughout the world till a couple of centuries back, i.e. till the

> > advent of Kepler and then overseas observatories etc.. were

calculated

> > either from useless works like the Surya Sidhanta by Maya the

mlechha or

> > the good-for-nothing astronomical works like Grahalaghava in India

> > and/or Ptolemy's Almagest or such other works in the West or some

Zijs

> > based on Brahma-gupta's works like Khanda-khadyaka etc. in the

Arabian

> > countries! All those astronomical works are anything but

correct---they

> > are actually away by light years from the reality---as is evident

from

> > the planetary polynomials of modern astronomy! It can also be

checked

> > by anybody from Vishnu.exe program in hinducalendar forum.

> >

> > Thus correct predictions were and are still being made only from

> > incorrect data!

> >

> > If jyotishis, whether Eastern or Western or Arabian or Iranian etc.

> > could and can make correct (sic!) predictions from that very useless

and

> > absolutely wrong planetary data, you can well imagine as to what

kind of

> > a science astrology is!

> >

> > " Modern " Planets have nothing in common with " ancient

> > planets " ! Similarly, the planets like Mangal, Budha, Shani etc. that

> > are being calculated on the basis of data from JPL/NASA etc. these

days

> > have absolutely nothing like the planetary qualities described in

the

> > Jyotisha Shastras or Puranas etc.---whether it is Sphujidwaja's

Yavana

> > Jatakam or Varahamihira's Brihat Jatakam or the so called Brihat

> > Parashari of the so called Parashara or any Purana! In fact, the

> > planetary qualities of jyotisha shastras/puranas are quite contrary

to

> > astronomical facts! For example, Shukracharya (astrologers'

> > Venus!) is the preceptor of demons and a " karaka " for poetry and

females

> > as per Indian jyotishis whereas according to Western jyotishis, it

is

> > known as Aphrodites---the goddess of love and beauty! But

astronomical

> > Venus is an inanimate planet full of acidic rains and unpredictable

> > fluctuations in temperature etc. etc. actually!

> >

> > Mangal is said to be the son of the earth and is commander-in-chief

of

> > planets. It is supposed to create havoc in married lives because of

> > Manglika qualities etc. etc. as per jyotisha shastra. For Western

> > astrologers, it is the Greek god Ares and shows the sexual prowess

in

> > male members of the society. Astronomically. the poor planet Mars is

as

> > helpless as any other inanimate wandering body actually is!

> >

> > Brihaspati is said to be the Guru of gods like Indra and Varuna and

Agni

> > and even Surya and Chandrama as per jyotisha shastras. Ironically,

as

> > per Puranas, Brihaspati's wife Tara was abducted by none other than

> > the Moon, whose guru Brihaspati is---something like a student

kidnapping

> > the wife of his Chancellor. As per Western astrology, Jupiter is the

> > supreme deity of ancient Romans, the god of heaven known as Zeus,

whose

> > sister as well as wife (incest!?) is Juno, the daughter of Satrun!

But

> > the poor planet Jupiter, inanimate as it is, is helpless in reality

when

> > it gets hammering from comets like Schumacher-Levi!

> >

> > Saturn (dukha-karaka Shani!) is the illegitimate son of the sun and

is

> > the most dreaded planet as per Indian and Western jyotishis. It is

also

> > the karaka for death! It is identified by Western jyotishis as the

> > Greek god Cronus. Astronomically, however, it is one of the most

> > beautiful, though inanimate, planets to look at, with more

satellites

> > and rings than any other planet!

> >

> > Mercury is the illegitimate son of Tara, the wife of Brihaspati,

from

> > Chandrama, It is the karaka for budhih and youth (Does it mean that

> > illegitimate children are intelligent and youthful?). In Western

> > astrology, it is one of the ancient Roman gods and is identified

with

> > the Greek god Hermes. Astronomically, it is the planet---inanimate,

of

> > course----nearest the sun, which means it bears the maximum brunt of

> > heat (and even cold!).

> >

> > " Planets " like Rahu and Ketu are more dreaded than anything else in

> > Indian astrology and as per the Puranas, they are said to be so

powerful

> > that they devour the sun and the moon on every eclipse which somehow

> > escape their fury by sleight of hands! They can even engulf all the

> > rest of seven planets, including the sun and the moon, and result in

> > dire consequences like doom and what not if all the seven planets

> > (including the two lights!) are between the two i.e. Rahu and

> > Ketu---euphemistically known as Kala Sarpa Dosha! To crown it all,

> > Kethu is said to be Mokshakaraka---the " planet " ruling over the

> > final beatitude! Western astronomers, however, are not very vocal

about

> > lunar Nodes, though of late some " research " has been started on

> > these two " Planets " also by them.

> >

> > Astronomically, however, Rahu and Ketu are just two mathematical

> > points---they do not have any dimensions, not to speak of any

qualities

> > of devouring the sun and the moon! No wonder no jyotishi-sadhu has

got

> > Moksha till date, ruled as it is by a non-existent (non-)entity!

> >

> > Astronomy is in direct conflict with jyotisha shastras and puranas

> > Besides, the dimensions of planets and their distances from the sun

even

> > the nakshatras are much different as per jyotisha shastras and

puranas

> > vis-à-vis astronomical data!

> >

> > As per jyotisha shastras---both Eastern and Western----and Puranas,

the

> > universe---including the planets--- is geocentric, i.e. the sun,

moon

> > and even the constellations move around the earth, whereas, as is

common

> > knowledge by now, the planets including the earth revolve round the

sun

> > and the sun in turn has its own movements in the constellation belt,

> > which in turn has its own motions and so on!

> >

> > Then again, the planets including Rahu and Ketu are supposed to give

us

> > results via dasha-bhuktis-pratyanataras of innumerable kinds---right

> > from Vimshotari (120 years) to Yogini (36 years) to Ashtotari (108

> > years) to Tribhagi (reduction of one hird of dasha of every planet!)

to

> > Kalachakra to what not! All those dasha-bhuktis are as intangible

and

> > elusive as the grin of the Cheshire cat, but we are supposed to be

> > governed by them!

> >

> > Non-existent Mesha etc. rashis govern individuals, nations and

> > countries! Planets also are supposed to affect us through Mesha etc.

> > Rashis as per jyotisha shastra, both Eastern and Western, but

> > astronomically rashis are an " imaginary circle of animals " of an

> > imaginary belt known as ecliptic! Thus we are " enjoying " the results

of

> > the inanimate planets through imaginary " circle of animals "

> > moving around an imaginary belt!

> >

> > No wonder, nobody is sure as to which rashi starts from where and

ranges

> > up to what point! Some say the Rashichakra starts from Vernal

> > Equinox---and they call themselves Tropical astrologers. Others say

> > that it starts from some Star! But they are fighting among

themselves

> > like Kilkenny cats as to which Star it is wherefrom the rashichakra

> > starts! IMHO, that dispute is not going to end in the near future!

It

> > may last till eternity---who knows! For instance, if Lahiri Shani

has

> > entered Kanya on September 9 as per Lahiriwalas, it has entered that

> > sign (rashi) about two years back as per Tropical-walas but will

enter

> > that very Rashi on an entirely different date as per Muladhara i.e.

> > Chandra Hari-walas and still some other date as per Sury

Sidhanta-walas

> > and yet another date as per Ramana-walas and still some other date

as

> > per Raivata-paksha-walas and so on! That means anybody's sade-sati

etc.

> > can start from any date, depending on the whims of the concerned

> > jyotishi as to which rashichakra he chooses!

> >

> > Astronomically, there is no question of a Rashi starting or ending

since

> > those " equal divisions " do not exist at all in reality!

> >

> > Hundreds of divisions and subdivisions of imaginary " circle of

> > animals " govern us! To analyze the horoscope minutely, each

> > imaginary division of the imaginary zodiac is further subdivided by

> > jyotishis into equal parts like Hora (two divisions), Dreshkan

(three

> > divisions--decanate), Saptamsha (seven divisions), navamsha (nine

> > divisions), Dwadashamsha (twelve divisions), trimshamsha (thirty

> > divisions), shashtyamsha (sixty divisions) and what not! Thus you

can

> > see it for yourself as to what kind of a " molecular " science it

> > is---each imaginary division divided into hundreds of imaginary

> > subdivisions and so on!

> >

> > To make predictions more concrete, each rashi is also simultaneously

> > divided into 2.25 nakshatras---thus the imaginary rashichakra is

also

> > divided simultaneously into twenty-seven equal imaginary divisions

known

> > as nakshatras! Like Rashichakra, nobody knows as to from which point

the

> > nakshatra-division starts! Some say it starts from the Vernal

> > Equinox--- " Tropical Vedic astrologers " with Ashvini nakshatra,

others

> > say it starts from ten degrees before the longitude of Ashvini Star

> > itself ---Lahiriwalas---still others say it starts from Revati star

> > itself---Revitpaksha-walas---yet others say that it starts from a

point

> > of the Vernal Equinox when it was opposite the start Chitra in 285

> > AD--Lahiriwalas---and so on! As if not satisfied with these millions

of

> > confusions and conundrums, each nakshatra is further sub-divided

into

> > " padas " sub-divisions, on the basis of which the bhukta-bhogya of

> > dasha-bhukti etc. etc. is decided! (To be continued)

> >

> >

> >

> >