Jyotishis Vs Shri Avtar Krishen Kaul - I

October 16, 2009

Dear Kaul Ji

Thank you for your posts and strong words against `'Jyotishis''. From you posts

it is evident that, you have researched a lot, and is learned in many areas.

Respect for that.

However i am not at all sure , whether one can ridicule all Jyotishi's and

Jyotisha (as we practise today), simply for the below reasons(numbered 1 & 2).

Even if you may be having a genuine case/cause w.r to certain points, your

outright dismissal of Jyotisha , without a Holistic analysis, may not help you

in achieving your ends(personal view).

1. Different Ayanamshas

2. Rashis were mentioned in Vedas or Not ?

Whether the revealed Jyotish knowledge was documeneted fully by Indians, for the

first time, or by the Greek or by Egyptians, Persians etc is not of primary

importance(atleast for me , for now). From a higher angle, whether there exists

any connection between the BIG-Total and the Small-Total is to be analysed,

first. If we can believe(have faith), that there exists a subtle link between

Brahmanda and Pindanda, then whether astrology is trying to study this link or

not is the next question.Then whether we Indians have understood them in FULL or

not is the subsequent.

If the blessed souls from `'Greek'', `'Egypt'' & `'India'' are equally eligible

to CONNECT with the supreme, is there a possibility that all of them can get

revelations-in parallel ?. If they get bits and pieces(depending on the rung of

ladder, they are – at a point in time) can't they share. Let us say, if we

cannot find Rashis (assumption as, I have not made an attempt like you –

searching for it) in our scriptures, it may be a historical proof, but is that a

complete proof that, we did not know those at all?

As you know TIME is a continous process. So is Yugas, the cycle of time. It may

not be wise to think, how many cycles of Yugas would have elapsed by now!. How

many Ramachandras would have taken birth by WILL. Only the Maha Hrishis can

tell. We have the Ishvaras – Brahma/Vishnu/Maheshwara, the trinity. The purpose

of devatas, Avataras, etc is only known to the Hrishis. If we read Ramayana –

there is a scope for every person, irrespective of his evolutionary grade in the

spiritual ladder. In other words - how close he is to the SPIRIT. For the one

who wants to treat him as a human being, there is scope. For the one wants to

treat him as an eternal myth there is even more scope. The Vanaras prepared to

enter the cave and the subtle meaning of Vayu Putra, HanumanJi etc and the

sacrifice held by Dasharatha and the sequences thereafter are holding enough

food for the one who really seeks.However as Mata Amritananda Mayi Devi , AMMA

has rightly observed, we do not have the right to say whether Rama ever existed

or not. The Maha Hrishis who have presented these before us , do have a purpose.

Let each of us conceive those, as we can.

However I totally agree with you that, we should not waste our time in finding

the birth time of Shri Rama Chandra. It is beyond us. We are not eligible to

analyze whether Shri Ramachandra was Manglik or not. The story told by Valmiki

holds the subtle secrets about the manifested space and the indwelling devatas

w.r to TIME. Technology is not an answer for every missing link. We have to

understand that FAITH and LOGIC cannot intersect always. Avataras as per faith ,

takes birth based on their pure WIIL. `'Tad Atmanam Srijamyaham''. We debate

un-necessarily, and waste energy, trying to support `'Faith'' using Logic!

Now coming to couple of points relating to Jyotisha please see my next email.

Thanks

Pradeep

October 17, 2009

Nice post, Pradeep jee!

Although human beings have only been around for 100000 years or so, as claimed

by archiologists/anthropologists, very little is known historically and that too

in the last few thousands of years at best.

This ongoing obsession in some for this " purity " thing over which world-wars are

being fought on interent is an endeavour fraught with uncertainty and thus

remains untouched by many and perhaps touches not too many, either ;-)

RR_

, " Vijayadas " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Kaul Ji

>

> Thank you for your posts and strong words against `'Jyotishis''. From you

posts it is evident that, you have researched a lot, and is learned in many

areas. Respect for that.

>

> However i am not at all sure , whether one can ridicule all Jyotishi's and

Jyotisha (as we practise today), simply for the below reasons(numbered 1 & 2).

>

> Even if you may be having a genuine case/cause w.r to certain points, your

outright dismissal of Jyotisha , without a Holistic analysis, may not help you

in achieving your ends(personal view).

>

> 1. Different Ayanamshas

>

> 2. Rashis were mentioned in Vedas or Not ?

>

> Whether the revealed Jyotish knowledge was documeneted fully by Indians, for

the first time, or by the Greek or by Egyptians, Persians etc is not of primary

importance(atleast for me , for now). From a higher angle, whether there exists

any connection between the BIG-Total and the Small-Total is to be analysed,

first. If we can believe(have faith), that there exists a subtle link between

Brahmanda and Pindanda, then whether astrology is trying to study this link or

not is the next question.Then whether we Indians have understood them in FULL or

not is the subsequent.

>

> If the blessed souls from `'Greek'', `'Egypt'' & `'India'' are equally

eligible to CONNECT with the supreme, is there a possibility that all of them

can get revelations-in parallel ?. If they get bits and pieces(depending on the

rung of ladder, they are – at a point in time) can't they share. Let us say, if

we cannot find Rashis (assumption as, I have not made an attempt like you –

searching for it) in our scriptures, it may be a historical proof, but is that a

complete proof that, we did not know those at all?

>

> As you know TIME is a continous process. So is Yugas, the cycle of time. It

may not be wise to think, how many cycles of Yugas would have elapsed by now!.

How many Ramachandras would have taken birth by WILL. Only the Maha Hrishis can