Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Dear Dada, Joy Maa Kaali! May She burn the dross of all ignorance in our lives and enable us children to grow! Happy Deepawali also! While a mere ant compared to all the Maharathis on Internet and elsewhere, I have always been enamoured by the obvious leaning of corpus jyoitish-ica towards regal combinations and dhana yogas etc. Perhaps it was associated with the possibility that it was supported by the Royals and Dhaniks: upper classes in a social sense. And perhaps it was fine because in earlier societies, the Kings etc were probably making sure that their Praja were well cared for, etc. So, their negative karmas were probably shielded by the rulers who were less self-serving and more caring. Who knows really...? Because even in earlier centuries, in our human civillization there were mythical figures like Robin Hood who had to rise up to fight corrupt regal misjustice! Chotaay muh badi baat boltaa hoon shaayad, but please forgive this younger brother! I think it is a WASTE of time to worry about the horoscopes of Awataars like Rama, Krishna, and others from different religions and mythologies, INCLUDING SAINTS! It is even more futile to use such horoscopes to somehow justify the verity of astrology which despite some flashing predictions here and there for public figures and politicians and sportsmen, interesting as those may be -- the MAJOR STAPLE of modern astrology lies in serving the common man and woman, the grihastha as they have been called but should perhaps be re-labelled as the worldly common people, the general public, the great unwashed! Which SUB-POPULATION, by the way includes most jyotishis and panchaang makes as well! ;-) Unless we all wake up and reboot our thinking or discussions on most jyotish fora and related others, this ongoing beating of gums, metaphorically shall never end and the only work-out or growth that will be experienced would be of our chewing muscles (massaters) while our teeth and enamel wear out from the incessant brawl between the upper and lower jaw! Or dentures, for that matter, if that is what we remain with!! Best regards, Rohiniranjan , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > Dear Rohini, > > On the Makar Sankranti day Lord Surya (Sun) comes to the house " Makara " , the owner of which is his hostile son " Shani (Saturn) " but he (Lord Surya) loves his son. It is a great occasion. No ancient lawmaker whether Manu or any other rishi had ever told that Makar Sankranti is to be observed on the Winter solstice day. In matters of eligious festivals we have to look the religious texts, which as Manu says are in line with the Vedas (and not on the Siddhantic texts). Due to Precession there was a time when the Makar Sankranti did coincide with the Winter Solstice and it does not coincide every year.The people who want it to be changed has failed to give any reference to the original dharmashastras so far. That shows that they have some ulterior motives. > > Now coming to Lord Rama's birth date there has been some confusion but there was no dispute regarding when His birthday is to be observed every year. One can clearly see from the Balakanda data that Lord Rama was born in the Shukla Navami of the Chaitra month and why should anybody complain. When Lord Rama was born the Sun was in arond 27 degrees in the Mina Rashi and that was a Shukla Navami day. That means the Purnima occurred when the Sun went to around 3 degrees of the Mesha Rashi. For the Purnima to occur the Moon has to be away from the Sun by 180 degrees and was in the Chitra Nakshatra. Thus the month was Purnimanta Chaitra month. Some peoplewant to confuse the issue by talking about ayanamsha corrections etc. which are not applicable in the times of Lord Rama as people directly observed the true locations of the grahas in the sky. Taking Ramanam on one hand and on the other hand trying to create confusion regarding his birth celebrations. > > Sime people say Mangal, Shani etc, are not there in the Veda but did they tell you that the Surya, Chandra, Rahu / Kertu , the Brihspati etc. grahas are there in Veda. Just because they could not locate the other grahas they just bluff. Do they know what purana says regarding the Vedic name of Shukra? These ignorant people are viciating the atmosphere and want to create trouble for the astrologers. They are lucky as the Hindus are tolerant. I shudder to thonk what would have been their fate if they would have dared to create such issues anywhere else. > > He calls astrology is bunkum and that the astrologers are cheaters at the same time he boasts about his maternal grandfather. He says his maternal grandfather was a highly reputed amateur jyotishi in Kashmir, who had cleared Shastri in Jyotisha from BHU in nineteenth century and that he used to prepare horoscopes from the only jantri/panchanga in Kashmir and that panchanga was based on Grahalaghava! and that to the best of his knowledge, none of his predictions ever failed! Is Astrology is bunkum and the astrologers are cheaters does it not make his grandfather also a cheater. He also says that according to Manu the astrologer are low class people and then that applies to his grandfather as well. > > In Hindi there is a saying " Jis thalime------ " and I hope yoi have heard this. He became a member of the astrology forum to criticise astrology and that too without any real basis in stead of helping the cause of astrology.. Ask him to show proof of all that he says and he will ask for time and will never come back. Three years ago I asked him a few questions when wewere in the " Hinducivilization " group and he wanted time, but in these three years he could not reply. In other forums also he did that. I have seen destructive people a few in number and Shri Kaul definitely heads the list. He has no respect for facts. By hook or crook he wants to win but will tell you that he is open to correction. Ask him if in these few decades any of his views changed. None. He is replaying the same old record every now and then and never gave any proof of what he says. There was a scientist (I am not getting his name at this time) in Germany who used to criticise all top > notch scientists and at the end he committed suicide because he realised that he had not contribute anything. He spent his life criticizing others. I feel pity for him but still admire him as at least he realised his folly. > > Best wishes, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > (unknown) > > Friday, October 16, 2009, 6:37 PM > > > Dear Mr. Kaul, > > > > I posted a response to your post regarding my agreement and one disagreement with your long post, but it was blocked. We must respect the wisdom etc of the moderation process. Just wanted you to know that I was not being rude towards you by seemingly remaining non-responsive! Apparent vs Real is a beautiful consideration in Jyotish (the padas etc.) > > > > RR_ > > > > , " jyotirved " <jyotirved@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Ranjan, > > > Jai Shri Ram! > > > > > > < Assuming that your penname is jyotirved ... and that I am not writing to > > > someone else who is using your identity and name ...> > > > > > > " jyotirved " is my email id. My full name is Avtar krishen Kaul. I was born > > > in Srinagar, Kashmir, and have been living in Delhi for quite some time > > > now. > > > > > > <It is sad that you are referring to 'other' astrologers and what they do or > > > do not manage to do!> > > > > > > As you must have observed from some of my posts, my main, rather the only, > > > grouse against " Vedic astrology " is that it has rent us asunder from the > > > real Vedic culture/ethos by " advising us " either directly or indirectly, to > > > believe in Stars and non-existent rashi divisions or Mangal, Shani etc. > > > inanimate planets. On top of it, it has made us forget Udagayana etc. four > > > cardinal points of the phenomenon of seasons and Madhu, Madhava etc. twelve > > > Vedic months, with the result that we celebrate a non-existent Makar > > > Sankranti--- some " Vedic astrologers " want us to celebrate Lahiri Makar > > > Sankranti, others want us to celebrate Ramana Makar Sankranti, still others > > > a Muladhara Makara Sankranti, and still others Fagan Makar Sankranti and > > > till others Raivatapaksha Makar Sankranti and so on. Same is the case with > > > all the other Sankrantis! As on date, our " sankrantis " have been advanced > > > by 24 days. After a few centuries, they will get advanced by at least one > > > month and a time may come, when we will celebrate thess so called nirayana > > > Makar Sankrantis on the day of Dakshinayana! > > > > > > This has resulted in all the festivals like navaratras, dipavali, holi, > > > dashahra etc. etc. and the muhurtas also having become topsy-turvy! These > > > days we are celebrating Rama-Navmi (the janma tithi of Bhagwan Ram) not in > > > the month of Madhu, but Madhava! Vasanti Navratras start when the first > > > month of Vasanta Ritu i.e. Madhu is already over. There are several other > > > similar anachronisms! > > > > > > It may appear from the above para that I am advocating a so called Sayana > > > Rashichakra for our festivals and fairs. Initially, I had gained an > > > impression that the Vedas are talking of a so called Sayana zodiac, but in > > > spite of my best efforts and in spite of my going through all the four > > > Vedas and the Vedangas assiduously with a tooth comb, I could not find Any > > > Mesha,Vrisha etc. rashis nor Mangal, Shani etc. planets there! > > > > > > Even if we concede the point for the sake of argument that some people have > > > " visualized " Mesha etc. Rashis through their tapasya or parokshya knowledge > > > in some of the Vedas, it is common knowledge that festivals and fairs and > > > muhurtas being down to earth geographical phenomena are not calculated > > > through parokshya knowledge, least of all are horoscopes prepared from any > > > parokshya knowledge! For that purpose we need data from JPL/NASA, and not > > > parokshya-walas. Then about parokshya knowledge, nobody is sure whether > > > he/she visualized the so called Sayana Rashis or the so called nirayana > > > rashis through their tapasya etc. in the Vedas, because different people > > > make different types of claims! > > > > > > Then again, if the parokshyawalas visualized nirayana rashis, it is again a > > > moot point as to what their ayanamsha is---Lahiri or Raman or Muladhara etc. > > > etc.---- and why! > > > > > > If we go by the Puranas, it will be clear from a document " BVB6 " , which I am > > > posting separately that all of them have advocated a so called Sayana > > > Rashichakra for our festivals and muhurtas and not any Lahiri or Ramana etc. > > > rashichakra, which means that we are celebrating all the festivals not only > > > against the Vedic canons but even against the Pauranic lore! All in the > > > name of " Vedic astrology " ! > > > > > > < I am assuming from your posting that you have yourself tried to learn > > > jyotish and then other forms of astrology and found them all to not work at > > > all during your testing. > > > Am I correctly interpreting your position and personal experience?> > > > Regarding my personal experiences about jyotisha, my maternal grandfather > > > was a highly reputed amateur jyotishi in Kashmir, who had cleared Shastri > > > in Jyotisha from BHU in nineteenth century. He used to prepare horoscopes > > > from the only jantri/panchanga in Kashmir and that panchanga was based on > > > Grahalaghava! To the best of my knowledge, none of his predictions ever > > > failed! > > > > > > But that does not mean that Grahalaghava is one of the most accurate > > > karana-granthas! It is actually the most inaccurate --- as inaccurate as > > > the Surya Sidhanta---astronom ical work and is the main culprit for spreading > > > the so called nirayana mayhem in India! > > > > > > I have been personally to Brighu Samhita walas in Jullundur and Dasuva in > > > Punjab; Aruna Samhita-wala in Delhi and have attended quite a few jyotisha > > > sammelans. The predictions of Brighu and Aruna etc. Samhitas were anything > > > but correct! It was all a guess work in the name of Maharshi Brighu and > > > Aruna the charioteer of Surya Bhagwan! So the less said about them the > > > better! Same was the case about bhavishyavanis of other jyotishis--- to whom > > > I had been " incognito " Their predictions were fifty-fifty! ! > > > > > > I had been publishing " Shri Krishen Universal Ephemeris & Panchang " for > > > several years, and did make some astoundingly correct predictions. For one > > > of those predictions I was awarded NOSTRADAMUS award by Express Star Teller, > > > and that award was given to me by none other than H H Swami Jayendra > > > Saraswati himself! > > > > > > But my predictions having proved correct in no way means that phalita > > > jyotisha is a science or it is approved by shastras! > > > > > > <Most of us have limited attention span, so you may wish to use not give too > > > many details in your first post to us.> > > > > > > I admire the courage of the moderator/owner of this () forum, > > > who is allowing such " blasphemous " posts to appear in a " jyotihsgroup " . If > > > you want a complete picture I would suggest you to join > > > > > > http://groups. / group/hinducalen dar > > > > > > I may mention here that I am just a learner---a student---and do keep on > > > changing my views, if they are proved to be incongruent with astronomical or > > > shastraic facts. Posts to that forum are not moderated and whatever > > > contrarian views are posted there, they are thoroughly evaluated and all > > > the pros and cons taken into consideration by several members. Till date > > > nobody has been removed from that forum because his/her views were contrary > > > to mine or some other member's. On the other hand, very often an additional > > > point of view was added to the gamut of calendar making because of > > > contrarian views. > > > > > > Jai Shri Ram. > > > > > > A K Kaul > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Kaul, > > > > > > > > Assuming that your penname is jyotirved ... and that I am not writing to > > > someone else who is using your identity and name ... > > > > > > > > It is sad that you are referring to 'other' astrologers and what they do > > > or do not manage to do! > > > > > > > > I am assuming from your posting that you have yourself tried to learn > > > jyotish and then other forms of astrology and found them all to not work at > > > all during your testing. > > > > > > > > Am I correctly interpreting your position and personal experience? > > > > > > > > If, yes, then I would love to hear your personal experiences and perhaps > > > you can summarize your experience in a post for my and other interested > > > people's benefit, if you wish. > > > > > > > > Most of us have limited attention span, so you may wish to use not give > > > too many details in your first post to us. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " jyotirved " jyotirved@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sheri G. Balasumbamanianji, > > > > > > > > > > Jai Shri Ram! > > > > > > > > > > < Why could not even a single astrologer predict the correct timing of > > > > > marriage or declare that there is no marriage for her in this birth. I > > > > > want an answer from those who run after astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though I have stopped running after astrologers since long, but I can > > > > > venture to answer your question: NO ASTROLOGER HAS BEEN ABLE TO MAKE > > > > > CORRECT PREDICTION IN THE CASE OF YOUR DAUGHTER BECAUSE YOU MUST HAVE > > > GIVEN > > > > > THEM THE CORRECT DATA IN THE FORM OF HER DATE AND TIME OF BIRTH ETC. > > > > > > > > > > It may be news to you, but astrologers, whether " Vedic " or " non-Vedic " > > > or > > > > > " anti-Vedic " , can make correct predictions only and only from incorrect > > > > > data! Just see the prowess of the " greatest astrologer of the last two > > > > > thousand years " viz. Varahamihira! He could write " masterpieces " of > > > > > astrology like Brihat Jatakam and Brihat Samhita etc. etc. after having > > > made > > > > > correct predictions from the most monstrous astronomical work, viz. the > > > > > Surya Sidhanta by Maya the mlechha! > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, you can go through " Notable Horoscopes " by the " greatest > > > > > astrologer of the twentieth century " viz. Dr. B. V. Raman! All the > > > hundred > > > > > or so charts, including that of his own and his " better half " in that > > > work, > > > > > are absolutely wrong! But even then he is supposed to have made correct > > > > > predictions from those very incorrect charts not only for himself and > > > his > > > > > spouse, but also for Bhagwan Krishna, Gautama the Budha, Jagadguru > > > (Aadi) > > > > > Shankaracharya, Guru Nanak etc. etc. > > > > > > > > > > Thus in future, if you want really any correct predictions from " Vedic > > > > > astrologers " just given them some imaginary data, and they will erect an > > > > > imaginary horoscope with imaginary rashichakra and imaginary ayanamsha > > > and > > > > > imaginary dasha-bhukti etc. etc. and lo and behold, you will get correct > > > > > predictions! The only condition is that they will not tell you as to > > > when > > > > > those predictions will materialize! > > > > > > > > > > The net result of all these " correct predictions " has been that we are > > > > > celebrating all our festivals and muhurtas on wrong days! As such, we > > > > > really do not need enemies to ruin our dharma since our friendly " Vedic > > > > > astrologers " are doing that job in a magnificent manner! > > > > > > > > > > Jai Shri Ram! > > > > > > > > > > A K Kaul > > > > > > > > > > USBrahmins@gro ups.com, G Balasubramanian <gbsub@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > I want to share my personal experience with Astrological predictions. I > > > > > have consulted more than 150 Astrologers located between Kanyakumari to > > > > > Kashmir over a period of 12-15 years. Almost all of them predicted the > > > > > time of marriage of my daughter. The time of marriage was different and > > > > > widely varying from Astrologer. As per the predictions of majority of > > > > > Astrologers, my daughter should have got married some 11 years back. The > > > > > dates indicated by the remaining astrologers have also not materialised > > > and > > > > > till this date she remains unmarried. Why could not even a single > > > astrologer > > > > > predict the correct timing of marriage or declare that there is no > > > marriage > > > > > for her in this birth. I want an answer from those who run after > > > > > astrologers. > > > > > G.Balasubramanian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > Gmail-Jayashree <ramajaya1@> > > > > > USBrahmins@gro ups.com > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 1:58:00 AM > > > > > [uSBrahmins] Answer for the Horoscope queerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Dear Rohini, Happy Diwali. Let Mother Kali bless us all. You are right. I agree that we should not worry as the most of these things have been traditionally sorted out, accepted and have their sound basis. Problem arises when some people, out of their ignorance, shout that the ancient rishis were useless. our Sidereal calendar is useless, we borrowed all knowledge including the varas and rashis etc. from the Greeks and go on calling Varahamihira to be the greatest charlatan, who copied everything from the Yavanajataka etc. I hope these demeaning of our ancient knowledge, including astrology, will stop and we can concentrate on our core subject, that is astrology. Best wishes, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Sat, 10/17/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: Response post to SB dada Saturday, October 17, 2009, 4:50 PM Dear Dada, Joy Maa Kaali! May She burn the dross of all ignorance in our lives and enable us children to grow! Happy Deepawali also! While a mere ant compared to all the Maharathis on Internet and elsewhere, I have always been enamoured by the obvious leaning of corpus jyoitish-ica towards regal combinations and dhana yogas etc. Perhaps it was associated with the possibility that it was supported by the Royals and Dhaniks: upper classes in a social sense. And perhaps it was fine because in earlier societies, the Kings etc were probably making sure that their Praja were well cared for, etc. So, their negative karmas were probably shielded by the rulers who were less self-serving and more caring. Who knows really...? Because even in earlier centuries, in our human civillization there were mythical figures like Robin Hood who had to rise up to fight corrupt regal misjustice! Chotaay muh badi baat boltaa hoon shaayad, but please forgive this younger brother! I think it is a WASTE of time to worry about the horoscopes of Awataars like Rama, Krishna, and others from different religions and mythologies, INCLUDING SAINTS! It is even more futile to use such horoscopes to somehow justify the verity of astrology which despite some flashing predictions here and there for public figures and politicians and sportsmen, interesting as those may be -- the MAJOR STAPLE of modern astrology lies in serving the common man and woman, the grihastha as they have been called but should perhaps be re-labelled as the worldly common people, the general public, the great unwashed! Which SUB-POPULATION, by the way includes most jyotishis and panchaang makes as well! ;-) Unless we all wake up and reboot our thinking or discussions on most jyotish fora and related others, this ongoing beating of gums, metaphorically shall never end and the only work-out or growth that will be experienced would be of our chewing muscles (massaters) while our teeth and enamel wear out from the incessant brawl between the upper and lower jaw! Or dentures, for that matter, if that is what we remain with!! Best regards, Rohiniranjan , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > Dear Rohini, > > On the Makar Sankranti day Lord Surya (Sun) comes to the house " Makara " , the owner of which is his hostile son " Shani (Saturn) " but he (Lord Surya) loves his son. It is a great occasion. No ancient lawmaker whether Manu or any other rishi had ever told that Makar Sankranti is to be observed on the Winter solstice day. In matters of eligious festivals we have to look the religious texts, which as Manu says are in line with the Vedas (and not on the Siddhantic texts). Due to Precession there was a time when the Makar Sankranti did coincide with the Winter Solstice and it does not coincide every year.The people who want it to be changed has failed to give any reference to the original dharmashastras so far. That shows that they have some ulterior motives. > > Now coming to Lord Rama's birth date there has been some confusion but there was no dispute regarding when His birthday is to be observed every year. One can clearly see from the Balakanda data that Lord Rama was born in the Shukla Navami of the Chaitra month and why should anybody complain. When Lord Rama was born the Sun was in arond 27 degrees in the Mina Rashi and that was a Shukla Navami day. That means the Purnima occurred when the Sun went to around 3 degrees of the Mesha Rashi. For the Purnima to occur the Moon has to be away from the Sun by 180 degrees and was in the Chitra Nakshatra. Thus the month was Purnimanta Chaitra month. Some peoplewant to confuse the issue by talking about ayanamsha corrections etc. which are not applicable in the times of Lord Rama as people directly observed the true locations of the grahas in the sky. Taking Ramanam on one hand and on the other hand trying to create confusion regarding his birth celebrations. > > Sime people say Mangal, Shani etc, are not there in the Veda but did they tell you that the Surya, Chandra, Rahu / Kertu , the Brihspati etc. grahas are there in Veda. Just because they could not locate the other grahas they just bluff. Do they know what purana says regarding the Vedic name of Shukra? These ignorant people are viciating the atmosphere and want to create trouble for the astrologers. They are lucky as the Hindus are tolerant. I shudder to thonk what would have been their fate if they would have dared to create such issues anywhere else. > > He calls astrology is bunkum and that the astrologers are cheaters at the same time he boasts about his maternal grandfather. He says his maternal grandfather was a highly reputed amateur jyotishi in Kashmir, who had cleared Shastri in Jyotisha from BHU in nineteenth century and that he used to prepare horoscopes from the only jantri/panchanga in Kashmir and that panchanga was based on Grahalaghava! and that to the best of his knowledge, none of his predictions ever failed! Is Astrology is bunkum and the astrologers are cheaters does it not make his grandfather also a cheater. He also says that according to Manu the astrologer are low class people and then that applies to his grandfather as well. > > In Hindi there is a saying " Jis thalime----- - " and I hope yoi have heard this. He became a member of the astrology forum to criticise astrology and that too without any real basis in stead of helping the cause of astrology.. Ask him to show proof of all that he says and he will ask for time and will never come back. Three years ago I asked him a few questions when wewere in the " Hinducivilization " group and he wanted time, but in these three years he could not reply. In other forums also he did that. I have seen destructive people a few in number and Shri Kaul definitely heads the list. He has no respect for facts. By hook or crook he wants to win but will tell you that he is open to correction. Ask him if in these few decades any of his views changed. None. He is replaying the same old record every now and then and never gave any proof of what he says. There was a scientist (I am not getting his name at this time) in Germany who used to criticise all top > notch scientists and at the end he committed suicide because he realised that he had not contribute anything. He spent his life criticizing others. I feel pity for him but still admire him as at least he realised his folly. > > Best wishes, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Dear Dada, This is nothing new! Beings like Gandhi had been killed in full public view, as also those like Jesus and Socrates and many other such examples exist and more sadly, CONTINUE! TRUTH will always have many interpretations and each of those interpretations shall have their personal slant! Hence those are called 'interpretations' and not UNDERSTANDING or REALIZATION! When growing up in India back in the 60's I was amused by the fact that many teenagers back then used to attach a little piece of 'pieceboard' (e.g., a flattened cigarette packet!) to the spokes of their bicycles. As they rode their 'bikes' the fluttering 'attachment' made a noise which they thought that made their cycles sound like a scooter or motorcycle! But, they were still riding a bicycle and the 'sound-effect' did not transform their ordinary vehicle into a motorcycle ;-) Regards, Rohiniranjan , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > Dear Rohini, > > Happy Diwali. Let Mother Kali bless us all. > > You are right. I agree that we should not worry as the most of these things have been traditionally sorted out, accepted and have their sound basis. Problem arises when some people, out of their ignorance, shout that the ancient rishis were useless. our Sidereal calendar is useless, we borrowed all knowledge including the varas and rashis etc. from the Greeks and go on calling Varahamihira to be the greatest charlatan, who copied everything from the Yavanajataka etc. I hope these demeaning of our ancient knowledge, including astrology, will stop and we can concentrate on our core subject, that is astrology. > > Best wishes, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > --- On Sat, 10/17/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: Response post to SB dada > > Saturday, October 17, 2009, 4:50 PM > > > > > > Dear Dada, > > > > Joy Maa Kaali! May She burn the dross of all ignorance in our lives and enable us children to grow! Happy Deepawali also! > > > > While a mere ant compared to all the Maharathis on Internet and elsewhere, I have always been enamoured by the obvious leaning of corpus jyoitish-ica towards regal combinations and dhana yogas etc. Perhaps it was associated with the possibility that it was supported by the Royals and Dhaniks: upper classes in a social sense. And perhaps it was fine because in earlier societies, the Kings etc were probably making sure that their Praja were well cared for, etc. So, their negative karmas were probably shielded by the rulers who were less self-serving and more caring. Who knows really...? Because even in earlier centuries, in our human civillization there were mythical figures like Robin Hood who had to rise up to fight corrupt regal misjustice! > > > > Chotaay muh badi baat boltaa hoon shaayad, but please forgive this younger brother! I think it is a WASTE of time to worry about the horoscopes of Awataars like Rama, Krishna, and others from different religions and mythologies, INCLUDING SAINTS! It is even more futile to use such horoscopes to somehow justify the verity of astrology which despite some flashing predictions here and there for public figures and politicians and sportsmen, interesting as those may be -- the MAJOR STAPLE of modern astrology lies in serving the common man and woman, the grihastha as they have been called but should perhaps be re-labelled as the worldly common people, the general public, the great unwashed! Which SUB-POPULATION, by the way includes most jyotishis and panchaang makes as well! ;-) > > > > Unless we all wake up and reboot our thinking or discussions on most jyotish fora and related others, this ongoing beating of gums, metaphorically shall never end and the only work-out or growth that will be experienced would be of our chewing muscles (massaters) while our teeth and enamel wear out from the incessant brawl between the upper and lower jaw! Or dentures, for that matter, if that is what we remain with!! > > > > Best regards, > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini, > > > > > > On the Makar Sankranti day Lord Surya (Sun) comes to the house " Makara " , the owner of which is his hostile son " Shani (Saturn) " but he (Lord Surya) loves his son. It is a great occasion. No ancient lawmaker whether Manu or any other rishi had ever told that Makar Sankranti is to be observed on the Winter solstice day. In matters of eligious festivals we have to look the religious texts, which as Manu says are in line with the Vedas (and not on the Siddhantic texts). Due to Precession there was a time when the Makar Sankranti did coincide with the Winter Solstice and it does not coincide every year.The people who want it to be changed has failed to give any reference to the original dharmashastras so far. That shows that they have some ulterior motives. > > > > > > Now coming to Lord Rama's birth date there has been some confusion but there was no dispute regarding when His birthday is to be observed every year. One can clearly see from the Balakanda data that Lord Rama was born in the Shukla Navami of the Chaitra month and why should anybody complain. When Lord Rama was born the Sun was in arond 27 degrees in the Mina Rashi and that was a Shukla Navami day. That means the Purnima occurred when the Sun went to around 3 degrees of the Mesha Rashi. For the Purnima to occur the Moon has to be away from the Sun by 180 degrees and was in the Chitra Nakshatra. Thus the month was Purnimanta Chaitra month. Some peoplewant to confuse the issue by talking about ayanamsha corrections etc. which are not applicable in the times of Lord Rama as people directly observed the true locations of the grahas in the sky. Taking Ramanam on one hand and on the other hand trying to create confusion regarding his birth celebrations. > > > > > > Sime people say Mangal, Shani etc, are not there in the Veda but did they tell you that the Surya, Chandra, Rahu / Kertu , the Brihspati etc. grahas are there in Veda. Just because they could not locate the other grahas they just bluff. Do they know what purana says regarding the Vedic name of Shukra? These ignorant people are viciating the atmosphere and want to create trouble for the astrologers. They are lucky as the Hindus are tolerant. I shudder to thonk what would have been their fate if they would have dared to create such issues anywhere else. > > > > > > He calls astrology is bunkum and that the astrologers are cheaters at the same time he boasts about his maternal grandfather. He says his maternal grandfather was a highly reputed amateur jyotishi in Kashmir, who had cleared Shastri in Jyotisha from BHU in nineteenth century and that he used to prepare horoscopes from the only jantri/panchanga in Kashmir and that panchanga was based on Grahalaghava! and that to the best of his knowledge, none of his predictions ever failed! Is Astrology is bunkum and the astrologers are cheaters does it not make his grandfather also a cheater. He also says that according to Manu the astrologer are low class people and then that applies to his grandfather as well. > > > > > > In Hindi there is a saying " Jis thalime----- - " and I hope yoi have heard this. He became a member of the astrology forum to criticise astrology and that too without any real basis in stead of helping the cause of astrology.. Ask him to show proof of all that he says and he will ask for time and will never come back. Three years ago I asked him a few questions when wewere in the " Hinducivilization " group and he wanted time, but in these three years he could not reply. In other forums also he did that. I have seen destructive people a few in number and Shri Kaul definitely heads the list. He has no respect for facts. By hook or crook he wants to win but will tell you that he is open to correction. Ask him if in these few decades any of his views changed. None. He is replaying the same old record every now and then and never gave any proof of what he says. There was a scientist (I am not getting his name at this time) in Germany who used to criticise all > top > > > notch scientists and at the end he committed suicide because he realised that he had not contribute anything. He spent his life criticizing others. I feel pity for him but still admire him as at least he realised his folly. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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