Rashi mantra in the Vedanga Jyotisha is spurious!

October 4, 2009

Dear friends,

Kindly look at following statement of AKK carefully :

I had also gone through the complete VJ with an exhaustive Hindi

commentary by Dr. Suresh Chandra Mishra, Jyotishacharya, published by a

Daryaganj, Delhi, publisher in 2003. Dr. Mishra, after discussing

thoroughly the pros and cons, has said, without mincing any words, on

pages 51-52 of his commentary, " ...this shloka has been interpolated by

some good for nothing (the exact Hindi word used by Dr. Mishra is

" angadh " ---a humpty-dumpty " intellectual " ) person, and as such gives

very wrong results....There was nothing like a rashi of thirty degrees

in the Vedanga Jyotisha period, but even then this mantra talks of Mina

etc. rashis. Rashi

word has been used in an entirely different manner like parva-rashi,

bha-rashi etc in the VJ....This shloka has not even been numbered i.e.

it is without any number and Somakar (a commentator of repute in the

past) also has not commented on it " .

What is all the more surprising is that this spurious mantra, without

any number after the fourth mantra, occurs in the Yajush-Jyotisham and

not Rik Jyotisham! Yajush-Jyotisham is a much later work than the

Rik-Jyotisham and as per Dr. Mishra in his foreword, " There is an

unbroken tradition among the Vedic Brahmins

that those who know even ABC of jyotisha recite at least once the

Rik-Jyotisham everyday, like some Sukta etc. and it is revered like the

Rig-Veda itself. I must make it clear here that Yajush-Jyotisham is not

held in that high esteem at all nor is it recited daily " . Dikshit also

has said the same thing.

One person had made assertions without any proof and another had appreciated.

!)

Dr. Mishra obviously had not read that about the twelve divisions of the

ecliptic (or the Gopath) in the Rig Veda, which automaticaly means that each

division will be 30 degrees. In the Geocentric model it is the road by which the

Sun moves round the earth. In that model while the Sun moves the road does not

move. Any intelligent person will understand that. Had Dr. Mishra read it he

would have realised that the ecliptic has the 27 fixed Nakshatras in that and

that the 12 Rashi divisions accommodate the 27 fixed Nakshatras as shown in the

Vamana Purana.

2)

It appears that Dr. Mishra himself may be a good for nothing person if he is

challenging the writer of the Vedanga Jyotisha and we have also to remember that

the famous scholar Kuppanna Shastri also considers the Rashi verse to be very

useful and stated in his book that it is for this reason the verse is still

there. Obviously nobody had deleted it inspite of the severe onslaught from the

people who followed the Max Mullerian chronolgy, which was formulated around

1882 CE. According to Max Muller the date of Rigveda was around 1200 BCE and

all other ancient Indian shastras were considered to be quite some centuries

after that. That is why the scholars (Dixit was no exception) right from the end

of the nineteenth century got an impression that the Rashis could have been

borrowed from the Greeks. Later on David Pingree reinforced that conviction in

the unsuspecting Indian scholsrs. Any sensible person will not value the

date-related opinions of

those scholars influenced by the Max Mullerian chronology, howevermuch sincere

they might have been. As regards Dr. Mishra's qualification as Jyotishacharya

it is not relevant here as he might have passed some examination to get the

title Jyotishacharya but that does not entitle him to make any unsubstantiated

statement.

3)

The fact that Somakar had not commented on the Rashi verse does not mean that

the verse is redundant. If it was not required then Somakar would have said so.

AKK is not aware that Somakar had not commented on another verse also of the

Yajur Vedanga Jyotisha. This is not relevant to the presence of the verse in the

Yajur Vedanga Jyotisha.

4).

Dr. Mishra is obviously ignorant of the mention of the Rashis in the Puranas

(the fifth Veda)

5)

A de-numbered Rashi obviously will not have a number , wnich any intelligent

person will understand. Under the influence of Pingree some people thought that

the Rashis could not be there in Vedanga Jyotisha. As a mark of suspect they

have obviously removed its numbering but did not dare to remove the genuine

verse altogether.

6)

A look at the Sanskrit dictionary will show that the word Rashi means a group

and it can be used in that sense anywhere as and when applicable. If it is used

for Parva -Rashi etc. that does not mean that the Puranas were wrong in using

the word Rashi for designating the twelve Rashis. Only a unthinking person can

cook up such arguments.

7)

If the Rig Vedanga Jyotisha is considered more respectable than the

Yajur-Vedanga jyotisha then does i mean that the yYajur Vedanga Jyotisha is not

required? If that was so it would not have been a part of the Vedanga jyotisha

at all. Only a good for nothing person will give such hollow arguments. Whether

it is in high esteem or not as compared to the Rig Vedanga Jyotisha is not

relevant to the authenticity of the Rashi verse. Bringing such irrelevant point

for discussion itself points to a confused mind of the person bringing such

points.

Regards,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

--- On Sat, 10/3/09, jyotirved <jyotirved wrote:

jyotirved <jyotirved

Rashi mantra in the Vedanga Jyotisha is spurious!

hinducalendar

Cc: , hinducivilization , " subash

razdan " <subashrazdan

Saturday, October 3, 2009, 8:25 AM

Dear friends,

Jai Shri Ram!

In # No. 2807 of May 27, 09 of WAVES-vedic forum Shri Sunil Bhattacharjya had

quoted his mentor as saying " Some preliminary evidence to prove the existence of

Meshadi month names in Vedic period is given below) Take the Yajur Vedanga

Jyotisha text and read the 5th sloka. It reads as follows - Ye brihaspatina

bhuktva MEENAN prabbriti rasayaH te hritaH panchabhiryataH yaH seshaH sa

parigrihaH

(Yajur Vedanga Jyotisha - sloka 5)

[Take the sign count of Jupiter counting from Meena Rasi (Pisces Sign),

............. .......etc] I believe you have noticed the words 'Meenan prabhriti

RasayaH' [signs counted from Meena Rasi (Pisces Sign)]. That proves the

existence of signs like Meena, Mesha etc in Vedanga Jyotisha period. "

The name " Yajur Vedanga Jyotisha " itself is misleading! There is actually no

such workI The original work is titled Vedanga Jyotisham (VJ) by Lagadha. It

was later divided into two separate portions Rik Jyotisham and Yajush-jyotishm

(but not Rik-Vednga-Jyotisha or Yajur-Vedanga jyotisha)

I had already seen the translation/ commentary of the VJ by S. B. Dikshit in his

" Bharatiya Jyotisha Shastra " but he has not referred to any such mantra even in

an oblique manner. On the other hand, he has said on page 147 (English

translation) " The names of Rashis Mesha and others came into vogue at about 400

BS. The names of week days came into use before them, and have been borrowed

from foreign countries " . And Dikshit had written those words in 1896 AD,, i.e.

much before David Pingree!

I had also gone through the complete VJ with an exhaustive Hindi commentary by

Dr. Suresh Chandra Mishra, Jyotishacharya, published by a Daryaganj, Delhi,

publisher in 2003. Dr. Mishra, after discussing thoroughly the pros and cons,

has said, without mincing any words, on pages 51-52 of his commentary, " ...this

shloka has been interpolated by some good for nothing (the exact Hindi word used

by Dr. Mishra is " angadh " ---a humpty-dumpty " intellectual " ) person, and as such

gives very wrong results....There was nothing like a rashi of thirty degrees in

the Vedanga Jyotisha period, but even then this mantra talks of Mina etc.

rashis. Rashi word has been used in an entirely different manner like

parva-rashi, bha-rashi etc in the VJ....This shloka has not even been numbered

i.e. it is without any number and Somakar (a commentator of repute in the past)

also has not commented on it " .

What is all the more surprising is that this spurious mantra, without any number

after the fourth mantra, occurs in the Yajush-Jyotisham and not Rik Jyotisham!

Yajush-Jyotisham is a much later work than the Rik-Jyotisham and as per Dr.

Mishra in his foreword, " There is an unbroken tradition among the Vedic Brahmins

that those who know even ABC of jyotisha recite at least once the Rik-Jyotisham

everyday, like some Sukta etc. and it is revered like the Rig-Veda itself. I

must make it clear here that Yajush-Jyotisham is not held in that high esteem at

all nor is it recited daily " . Dikshit also has said the same thing.

All these anachronisms were pointed out to Shri Bhattacharjya vide # 5127 dt.

June 11 of abhinavagupta forum. But he inssited in several posts to Shri K. K.

Mehrotra of waves-vedic that he must see the edition that does not refer to

rashi mantra as spurious. Shri Bhattacharjya' s message No. # No. 26262 of June

25, of Shri Bhattacharjya in vedic_research_ institute reads, " INSA stands for

Indian national Science Academy. The Vedanga Jyotisha was published in their

" Indian Journal of History of Science, Vol.19, No. 4, Supplement. Their website

is www.insa.ac. in "

Shri Mehrotra had asked in #No. 5232 dt. June 26 of Abhinavagupta forum, " The

email address at which this post was sent to INSA does not exist and the mail

was received back. I, therefore, request Dr. Sunil Bhattacharjya again to give

the full address of the website wherefrom he is supposed to have downloaded the

Vedanga Jyotisha by Acharya Lagadha, with the fifth mantra showing Mina rashi " .

And this is what Shri Bhattacharjya had replied in the same post, " Shri

Mehrotra can contact Indian National Science Academy. Or he can place an order

on a bookseller for the book. If he thinks he must have the book let him get

it. "

It was clear from Shri Bhattacharjya' s messsages that he had the INSA edition

ofthe VJ edition with him, or had at least seen it and there was no doubt in his

mind that the fifth mantra in the Vedanga Jyotisha (Yajush-Jyotisham) of INSA

edition was not spurious but had been listeed as fifth mantra there.

Being out of print, I could not get this book anywhere. A friend of mine,

however, sent the complete electronic edition to me through email but he does

not want his name to be disclosed!

This work had been translated originally by Prof. T. S. Kuppanna Sastry in a

draft form and since it could not be published during his life time, it was

later checked for corrections and edited by Dr. K. V. Sarma of Kuppannaswamy

Research Institute, Madras, and published by Indian National Science Academy,

Delhi, a government body, in 1985.

To my amazement (amusement!) , from a perusal of this INSA work also I found

that the so called Rashi mantra is actually from Yajush-jyotisham and has been

referred to as a spurious mantra and is without any number in that work as well.

Let me quote the full text of the translator/commenta tor, Prof. T. S. Kuppanna

Sastry, on page 50 about the same, " This verse is patently an interpolation.

Firstly, it is unnumbered and found only in the Yajusha recension. Secondly,

the word rashi itself, meaning the division of the zodiac of 30° each, named

Mesha (Aries), Rishaba (Taurus) upto Mina (Pisces) is of foreign origin and came

to India only during first centuries AD along with Greek astrology. Upto and

including the time of last samhitas of the early centuries of BC the only

zodiacal signs known in India were the nakshatras divisions. The word Rashi

used in the VJ means only 'group', for example parva-rashi means a group of

fortnights and bha-rashi meaning the group of nakshatra segments " .

Prof. Sastry himself and the editor Dr. Sarma have given a list of manuscripts

they consulted. Those manuscripts are listed on pages 8-9 of the INSA work.

It was thus a puzzle for everybody including me as to how Shri Bhattacharjya had

said so authoritatively that the INSA edition had talked of the so called fifth

mantra in the VJ referring to Mina etc. rashis not being spurious!

The solution of the puzzle dawned on me with the " revelation " that Shri

Bhattacharjya is a " Parokshya-darshi " who claims to see things which others

miss! He must, therefore, have visualized this mantra in INSA edition as

original through his parokshya knowledge just as he claims to have " visualized "

: Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis--that also the so called nirayana ones---in the

Vedas through that very parokshya knowledge!

Anyway, I am enclosing five pages in pdf format---Preface, pages 8-9 and

50-51---and you can verify for yourself all the details.

It appears that parokshya knowledge means, therefore, something like

" somnambulism " , or even hallucination i.e seeing things which others can't

see! That is why Shri Bhattacharjya " saw " the fifth mantra in the INSA VJ

edition also as original instead of spurious!

It must also be put on record that since it is common knowledge by now that

Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis have been imported from Babylonia via Greece into

India around early centuries of CE, " Vedic astrologers " are thus themselves

trying to prove that the Vedas and the Vedanga Jyotisha etc. etc. are all post

CE works! They are thus doing an incalculable damage to the entire cultural

history of India, in their anti-Vedic efforts to prove that Mesha etc. Rashis

and Mangal, Shani etc. planets have been referred to in the Vedas---or the

Valmiki Ramayna etc., for that matter! And the more the " Vedic astrologers " and

" Vedic astronomers " continue their such efforts, the more damage they will go on

doing to the real Vedic cultural ethos and the more we will forget about Madhu,

Madhava etc. Vedic months and continue to celebrate Lahiri or Ramana or

Muladhara etc. Makara and Mesha Sankrantis etc.!

Jai Shri Ram.

A K Kaul

PS

If any owner/moderator of any forum so desires, the complete version of the VJ,

INSA edition (pdf) can be sent by email for uploading in his/her forum. There

are no copyright hassles.

AKK

October 4, 2009

Dear friends,

Shri Kaul says :

Quote

All that Shri Bhattacharjya wants to prove is that except for him and some

" Vedic astrologers " , all the scholars of India like S B Dikshit and Dr.

Kuppanna Shastry and Dr. Suresh Chandra Mishra and even Somakar or even Gita

Press translators of the Valmiki Ramayana etc. etc. were/are good for nothing

fellows and were/are influenced by Max Muller's chronology!

Unquote

Nothing can be further from the truth. Where did I say except for me and some

Vedic astrologers? So many scholars (including those who do may not believe in

astrology) reject the AIT - Chronology and not me and some Vedic astrologers

alone. There have been lot of research lately and Shri Kaul seem to have been

sleeping. Shri Kaul should wake up and look at the findings of the recent

researches and the archaeological findings. He should also look at the

deliberations in the different fora / . I said that the people like

Dixit might have been honest. They had not had the benefit of seeing the results

of the post-independence research. They were taught only what the colonial

historians wanted them to know. The scholars like Dixit did not know about the

colonial distortions of Ancient Indian History and that was not their fault. I

respect people like Dixit and respectfully point out where they erred.

The translator of the Balakanda, whoever he was, had erred. That is not the

fault of the Gita Press. That translator did not understand the nuances of

astrology. The Gita Press authorities does not check each and every lines

translated. I have purchased several gita press books such as the five-volume

Yoga-Vashishtha Ramayana and two-volume two-volume Bhagavat purana andther

books. I have found the translation mistakes here and there. Just because it is

from the G someoIta press i shall not accept that translation will be without

any mistake.

Now my friends, if Shri Kaul thinks that the Max Muller's date of Rig Veda in

1200 BCE

based on the Aryan Invasion Theory (AIT) is correct he is at liberty

to have that view. According to Max Muller the Epic age was several centuries

fter the

date of the Veda and this means the Ramayana dates are much after 1200 BCE.

If you accept these dates then of course you can deduce that the

Indians might have learnt astrology from the Greeks. If you wish to believe in

what Mr. Kaul says you can go ahead.

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, Krishen <jyotirved wrote:

Krishen <jyotirved

Re: Rashi mantra in the Vedanga Jyotisha is spurious!

Sunday, October 4, 2009, 8:58 AM

November 2, 2009

Shri Sunil Bhattacharjya ji,

Jai Shri Ram!

< Whoever believes that the fifth mantra in the Yajur Vedanga Jyotisha

(Y-VJ)

believes in truths and facts and come what may the consequences.>

You have yet to produce/scan the page of the VJ from INSA that does not talk

of the fifth mantra of the Yajur Jyotisham as spurious!

I am quoting below excerpts from #24800 of Oct. 6 () which

remain still unanswered:

quote

“There are two points that are still hanging in the air:

1. Where is the Rashi mantra of the Vedanga Jyotisha in the INSA

edition, which Shri Bhattacharjya wanted Shri K. K. Mehrotra to buy to

see it for himself as to how the translators/commentators of the edition

had declared it " not spurious " and numbered it as fifth mantra.

2. Has Shri Bhattacharya really bought the five-volume edition of Yoga

Vasishta Maharamayana with translation which has been published by Gita

Press. If yes, he is requested to give me the address of the

shop/bookseller from which be bought it, since on enquiry, I find that

Gita Press, Gorakhpur, have not published any such edition.”

Unquote

Would you kindly reply the above two points now.

Secondly you have said, “When you say ‘prior to the Suryasiddhanta’ you have

to give the date of Suryasidhanta.”

The date of the Surya Sihanta is around first century BCE/AD. If you think

it is not so, pl. substantiate your arguments with cogent proofs, citing the

astronomical works that gave the methodology of calculating planetary

position of Mangal, Shani etc. planets vis-à-vis Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis

prior to the Surya Sidhanta.

< So you have to agree to what everybody knows that Mayasura learnt

astrology from Vivaswat in the Trteta yuga. One can allow

you leeway only to the extent that you can tell us whether you choose the

Vivaswat rishi, who was the father of Manu or the second Vivaswat, who was

descendent of Manu.>

Pl. quote the exact shlokas from the Surya Sidhanta, with their translation,

in which Maya the mlechha claims that he learnt Surya Sidhanta (and not

astrology!) from Vivaswat Rishi or from Vivaswat the descendant of Manu

instead of Surya Bhagwan Himself----a statement through which Maya has

actually taken the whole Hindu community for a ride!

Pl. also tell the members as to when the Treta Yuga started as per the Surya

Sidhanta and whether you agree with that or not! Pl. also give reasons for

your agreeing or disagreeing with the duration of the yugas etc. of the

Surya Sidhanta.

Pl. also clarify whether Maya the mlechha is supposed to have learnt Surya

Sidhanta in Treta Yuga or Satya Yuga. If it is Satya Yuga, why do you say

that he learnt it in Treta Yuga and if it is Treta Yuga according to you,

pl. quote the original shlokas with translation suggesting Treta Yuga

instead of Satya Yuga.

Jai Shri Ram.

A K Kaul

Re: Fwd: Re: FW: Pingree -- yavanajataka etc.

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

Mr. Krishen,

1)

You said as follows:

But it is some of our " friendly Vedic astrologers " who are claiming that

there

is a mantra of " mina rashi... " --fifth mantra in the Yajur Jyotisham---

trying to

prove thereby that even the Vedanga Jyotisha talked about Mina etc. Rashis!

They

are doing so under the impression that by trying to prove that Rashis have

been

mentioned in the VJ, they will be able to estblish the antiquity of

Rashichakra

in the Indian ethos, including the VJ,

Whoever believes that the fifth mantra in the Yajur Vedanga Jyotisha (Y-VJ)

believes in truths and facts and come what may the consequences. The opinion

of

the people, who believed in AIT chronology, does not remain valid anymore.

Luckily for him David Pingree passed away. Otherwise today he would have had

to

commit suicide by seeing all his non-sense exposed. Now have the boldness to

agree to the fact that the Rashi mantra is there in Y-VJ and you have no

proof

against the genuineness of the Mantra

2)

You also said

as everybody knows by now, prior to the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the melchha,

there were no Mesha etc. rashis in India, much less in the VJ!

The ball is in your court now to prove the date of Mayasura. You are caught

now,

Mr. Krishen. Everybody also knows that the Rashis are there in the Puranas.

Don't forget that. Everybody also knows that the Rashis are there in the

Puranas. Don't forget that.When you say " prior to the Suryasiddhanta " you

have

to give the date of Suryasiddhanta. So you have to agree to what everybody

knows

that Mayasura learnt astrology from Vivaswat in the Trteta yuga. One can

allow

you leeway only to the extent that you can tell us whether you choose the

Vivaswat rishi, who was the father of Manu or the second Vivaswat, who was

descendent of Manu.

Please do not try your usual tricks of diverting or drowning the issue by

writing a lot of irrelevant matter. You have to reply to the above in

short.

Sincerely,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

--- On Sun, 11/1/09, Krishen <jyotirved

</post?postID=O6eB0ad9w3XzcFXtnZ6x

DOWkqD6CvgKCUgB3piWT7N67Lz5bX-UpM8UOw42c9NvO2NuC_r1gE69nWxSP7w> > wrote:

Krishen <jyotirved

</post?postID=O6eB0ad9w3XzcFXtnZ6x

DOWkqD6CvgKCUgB3piWT7N67Lz5bX-UpM8UOw42c9NvO2NuC_r1gE69nWxSP7w> >

Fwd: Re: FW: Pingree -- yavanajataka etc.

</post?postID=nBddjy7ewRd4mIoKb1qt

rIzzoLwRiqxXZZ1qIl4T2wc_OXZZa7wZZSnG--z8h0_jHSTXSL7wPP4M0sic4LMeQaFA0g>

Sunday, November 1, 2009, 4:45 AM

November 3, 2009

Dear friends,

1)

The Internet link for the INSA book was given in the mail sometime back by Shri

Kaul himself. Then why can't he read it himself to see the rashi verse it. I

already told that the editor has expressed that the verse may be spurious as he

thought that the Indians learnt about rashi from the Greeks. Just because the

editor imagines that the verse could be spurious does not make the verse

spurious. Only an imbecile would agree with such imaginations without

substantiation. I also told that the editor had told that the verse is there for

its usefulness.

2)

I bought the five volumes of the Yoga Vasishtha Maharamayana by paying one

thousand rupees plus postage from Chowkhamba twelve years ago. Sorry I wrote it

as from the Gita press, by mistake. If Shri Kaul wants to buy it he can contact

Chowkhamba and they have an office in Delhi but the price might have gone up by

now. The book is in Sanskrit-Hindi .I bought the two-volume Bhagavat puran of

the Gita press.

3)

If Shri Kaul is unable to interpret the verses of the Balakanda I would advise

him to read the recent mails sent by me and Shri Gopal Krishna Goelj ion the

subject and if he still cannot understand the verses it is his misfortune. It

seems he is confused by the different dates of Lord Rama as suggested by

different people. It is upto him to decide whether he trusts anybody's opinion

or not or wants to go by himself. That is his decison and nobody can help. Or he

should go to a person whom he fully trusts.

4)

Shri Kaul thinks the Suryasiddhanta to be a work of the f!rst century BCE/CE,

without having any proof. Let him live in his own imaginary world if he likes

to.

5)

He goes on ridiculing Mayasura that he had learnt Jyotish from Surya Bhagawaan,

without citing any verse. I remember to have read the name of Vivasvat and not

of Surya Bhagawwan in that context. Let Shri Kaul remain in his imaginary world

if he likes to.

6)

Now he wants to learn about yuga calculations. If he wants the puranic yuga

calculations then he should read the puranas again. He claims to have read the

puranas then I wonder why he could not see the yuga-details in the puranas.

If however he wants the Siddhantic yuga calculations he should approach Shri

Vinay Jha or such a scholar, who has the confidence that he is fully familiar

with the important Siddhantic texts.

Regards

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, Krishen <jyotirved wrote:

Krishen <jyotirved

Re: Rashi mantra in the Vedanga Jyotisha is spurious!

Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 9:02 AM

Dear friends,

Jai Shri Ram:

There are two points that are still hanging in the air:

1. Where is the Rashi mantra of the Vedanga Jyotisha in the INSA

edition, which Shri Bhattacharjya wanted Shri K. K. Mehrotra to buy to

see it for himself as to how the translators/ commentators of the edition

had declared it " not spurious " and numbered it as fifth mantra.

2. Has Shri Bhattacharya really bought the five folume edition of Yoga

Vasishta Maharamayana with translatoin which has been published by Gita

Press. If yes, he is requested to give me the address of the

shop/booksell from which be bought it, since on enquiry, I find that

Gita Press, Gorakhpur, have not published any such edition.

Jai Shri Ram!

A K Kaul

<> , Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

>

> Shri Kaul says :

>

> Quote

>

> All that Shri Bhattacharjya wants to prove is that except for him and

some " Vedic astrologers " , all the scholars of India like S B Dikshit

and Dr. Kuppanna Shastry and Dr. Suresh Chandra Mishra and even Somakar

or even Gita Press translators of the Valmiki Ramayana etc. etc.

were/are good for nothing fellows and were/are influenced by Max

Muller's chronology!

>

> Unquote

>

> Nothing can be further from the truth. Where did I say except for me

and some Vedic astrologers? So many scholars (including those who do may

not believe in astrology) reject the AIT - Chronology and not me and

some Vedic astrologers alone. There have been lot of research lately

and Shri Kaul seem to have been sleeping. Shri Kaul should wake up and

look at the findings of the recent researches and the archaeological

findings. He should also look at the deliberations in the different

fora / . I said that the people like Dixit might have been

honest. They had not had the benefit of seeing the results of the

post-independence research. They were taught only what the colonial

historians wanted them to know. The scholars like Dixit did not know

about the colonial distortions of Ancient Indian History and that was

not their fault. I respect people like Dixit and respectfully point out

where they erred.

>

> The translator of the Balakanda, whoever he was, had erred. That is

not the fault of the Gita Press. That translator did not understand the

nuances of astrology. The Gita Press authorities does not check each and

every lines translated. I have purchased several gita press books such

as the five-volume Yoga-Vashishtha Ramayana and two-volume two-volume

Bhagavat purana andther books. I have found the translation mistakes

here and there. Just because it is from the G someoIta press i shall not

accept that translation will be without any mistake.

>

> Now my friends, if Shri Kaul thinks that the Max Muller's date of Rig

Veda in 1200 BCE

> based on the Aryan Invasion Theory (AIT) is correct he is at liberty

> to have that view. According to Max Muller the Epic age was several

centuries fter the

> date of the Veda and this means the Ramayana dates are much after

1200 BCE.

> If you accept these dates then of course you can deduce that the

> Indians might have learnt astrology from the Greeks. If you wish to

believe in what Mr. Kaul says you can go ahead.

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

> --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Krishen <jyotirved@. ..> wrote:

>

> Krishen <jyotirved@. ..>

> Re: Rashi mantra in the Vedanga Jyotisha is

spurious!

> <>

> Sunday, October 4, 2009, 8:58 AM

November 3, 2009