Guest guest Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ Dear Lalitha, Just like the arudha of houses are the external manifestation of bhava, graha arudha shows the point where the planet will show the manifestation. For example graha arudha of lagnesh will show how other's percieve the native, so its like the traces which stays after some action is done by the actual Lagnadhipati. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru -------------- /*Consultations & Pages* http://rohinaa.com rafal starsuponme / Lalitha Vuppaladadiyam pisze: > > > Aum Namo Bhagavathe Vaasudevaya > > Poojya Gurujis, > > Can anybody please explain what is meant by Graha Arudha? > > Thank you > Best Regards > lalitha v > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr > <pvr%40charter.net>> wrote: > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr <pvr%40charter.net>> > [vedic astrology] The 12th from AK and 9th from AK-arudha > JyotishWritings > <JyotishWritings%40>, > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > Cc: <%40> > Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:12 PM > > > > Namaste friends, > > I sent a writeup titled " On Seeing Deities from the 12th from > Karakamsa " with many examples sometime back. I reproduced that writeup > at the end of this email for easy reference. > > The enclosed critique on that writeup was posted by Pt Rath on sohamsa > list recently and it was forwarded to me by a friend. > > > Ramakrishna > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now as > > per Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu > > becomes AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating > > the Ista devata. > > I clearly wrote (see the article at the end): " In the case of > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. " > > Pt Rath missed the explicitly stated fact that I also took Rahu as AK > and not " another planet other than Rahu " as he *imagined* above. Pt > Rath also missed the explicitly stated fact that I count houses > anti-zodiacally from Rahu. Pt Rath missed the fact that I do not try > to see the trees without seeing the forest first and I do not look for > dasa mahavidyas or dasavatara lists and use the basic list of Parasara. > > Given the factual errors in attributing things to me above, it is > clear that Pt Rath proceeded to critique my views without reading them! > > * * * > > Criticizing someone's view without reading it properly (let alone > giving it due consideration! ) and based on one's own *imagination* of > what the other person is saying, demonstrates a *desperation* to > criticize. > > * * * > > Sarada Mata's Moon is not in Ge in D-20, but in Ta, if one uses Lahiri > ayanamsa or Jagannatha ayanamsa. > > Pt Rath said that " Ramakrishna Paramahamsa " is the " ishta devata " of > Vivekananda. But my view is that Ramakrishna Paramahamsa is his guru. > Many Hindu saints explicitly worship guru with a mantra. But that does > not make guru their " ishta devata " . > > Vivekananda saw Kaali as a small girl throughout the second half of > his life, talked to her as a person and was guided by her. He said he > stopped seeing her a few days before leaving his body. If that does > not make her his ishta devata, I do not know what will! > > * * * > > Regarding " Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory " , Parasara explicitly gave the > criteria to decide when to use 7 chara karakas and when to use 8 chara > karakas. Both KN Rao group that uses 7 chara karakas always and Pt > Rath group that uses 8 chara karakas in human charts always are in > violation of Parasara's explicit teaching. > > Narasimha made an effort to understand and share the understanding > (http://vedicastrolo ger.org/articles /c_karaka. pdf). His view may or > may not be perfect, but it is closer to Parasara's teaching. > > * * * > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality (dharma, Sg) > > Parasara asked to see the deity one worships from the 12th from AK's > amsa and NOT what one " esablishes " . Pt Rath is trying to deviate from > Parasara and see everything from the 12th from AK! > > In my view, dasamsa is the chart for one's activities and > accomplishments ( " mahatphalam " is seen in D-10, according to > Parasara). AK shows the soul and the *graha arudha* of AK should show > how the soul manifests to the world. After all, one's mission or > achievement is an attribute of the *manifestation* of one's soul to > the world. The 9th house from the graha arudha of AK in D-10 could > indicate what the world views as a major mission (dharma/duty) of > one's soul. > > Vivekananda and Sarada Mata had graha arudha of AK in Cn in D-10. The > 9th was in Pisces showing establishing Vedanta and other knowledge of > rishis. As another example, graha arudha of AK in Aurobindo's D-10 is > in Ar. The 9th from there has Sg with Ketu in it, showing > establishment of dharma and Vedic knowledge. As another example, graha > arudha of AK in Ramana Maharshi's D-10 is in Sc. The 9th house > contains exalted Jupiter and shows teaching sublime Vedic truths. > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati had graha arudha of AK in Li and the > 9th again had Jupiter in Ge, showing establishment and lecturing of > Vedic knowledge. > > All these saints have Jupiter involved. As a comparison, see other > kinds of charts. Bill Gates has AK Saturn in Cn, his graha arudha in > Ar and the 9th has Mercury (knowledge, communications and computing). > Adolf Hitler has AK Venus in Sg, his graha arudha in Li and the 9th > from it has Sun (power). Composer A.R. Rahman (of Jai ho fame) has AK > Sun in Cn, his graha arudha in Ta (empty) and its lord Venus exalted > (music and artistic creativity). > > Thus, the mission and what one achieves and establishes in one's life > may be better seen from the 9th from the graha arudha of AK in D-10, > than from the 12th house from AK in navamsa or vimsamsa. > > When we extrapolate things not mentioned by rishis, we need to be > intelligent and consistent. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@ ...> wrote: > > > > Narasimha Theory #1: Ista devata is to be seen from the Vimsamsa > instead of the Navamsa chart > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > The arguments given were the charts of Sri Ramakrishna besides others - > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to things > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at Dakshineshwar > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > material world). > > > > Let us examine the Vimsamsa and Navamsa charts > > > > In both the charts the atmakaraka Rahu is in Capricorn and the 12th > house in both the charts is the same with the difference being that > the Sun in Sagittarius is in the 12H from Karakamsa in D9 while the > 12H from karakamsa in D20 is empty. How does the 12H from karakamsa > show Kaali? > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now as per > Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu becomes > AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating the Ista devata. > > > > Understanding Parashara is another cup of tea. > > > > In Vimsamsa, the *form* of the devata that one loves will come into > the picture. Ramakrishna loved Kaali as this is indicated by the *Moon > in Lagna in Aquarius*. This was His upaasita devata (Upasana or > penance deity). We can also say that as the Moon (in Aq = Kaali) joins > the 9th Lord, this devata form was associated with a temple. > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ===== > > > > Sri Sarada Ma > > > > In the chart of Sri Sarada Ma, the atmakaraka Moon is in Sagittarius > navamsa. The ista devata is seen in the 12th house Scorpio which is > empty and its lord Ketu joins AK Moon. Sri Sarada Ma has said that she > is *Bagala* [this is Her statement]. This is seen from the energy of > Scorpio brought by Ketu to the AK Moon. > > > > However, Mercury also conjoins the AK Moon and the Ista planet Ketu > thereby indicating Sodasi (Tripura sundari). Sri Ramakrishna saw Her > as Sodasi and also worshipped Her as such. Therefore it is clear that > Sri Sarada Ma is a dual manifestation of both Sri Bagalamukhi and Sri > Tripurasundari and these are Her ista devata. > > > > Apply narasimha Theory. The AK Moon is in Gemini Vimsamssa and the > 12th house is Taurus indicating the Ista devata as Lakshmi. Definitely > wrong approach. > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > ========= ======== > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > > > In the chart of Swami Vivekanada, the Atmakaraka Sun is in > Sagittarius Navamsa and the 12H from it is Scorpio with Jupiter in it > indicating Shiva/Guru as Ista devata. > > > > Swami Vivekananda worshipped Thakur with the mantra *om hriiM namo > bhagavate raamakrishnaaya* [see the first letters of each line of > Ramakrishna stotra, the mantra is hidden in there]. Thakur ramakrishna > was His Ista devata and was Shiva for Him, protector, teacher and > everything. > > > > Applying Narasimha AK Vimsamsa theory, the Sun is in Pisces and 12H > is having Rahu and Ketu and giving me arguments like Durga and ganesha > as Ista for Him is not going to work. > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > ========= ====== > > > > How God/Ista devata helps > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Ramakrishna, the Ista Devata Sun is in > Sagittarius navamsa ...both the two souls who made the Ramakrishna > Mission happen - Swami Vivekanada and Sarada ma, had AK in Sagittarius > navamsa. > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality (dharma, Sg) > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > The message that Pt Rath was commenting on > http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings/message/ 5 > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Namaste, > > I mentioned a formula that occurs commonly in the charts of spiritual > greats, though it is not that common in regular charts. The long > discussion on sohamsa that followed that post ignored the actual > formula and its building blocks and focused on other things. I want to > say more on one important building block used in that formula. > > * * * > > In the chapter called " kaarakaamsa phala " in BPHS, Parasara mentioned > the deities worshipped based on the planets in the 12th from > kaarakaamsha. For example, Sun in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of > Shiva and Moon in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of Gouri. > > The term " kaarakaamsa " means " AK's amsa " . Amsa only means division. > Which amsa or division is Parasara referring to? > > Though people jumped to the conclusion that amsa means navaamsa by > default, there is one more important thing to consider here. At the > onset itself, Parasara clarified which amsas (divisions) are used for > which purposes. He clearly said " upaasanaayaaH viGYaanaM saadhyaM > viMshati bhaagake " , meaning " the knowledge of one's worship and > spiritual practices is possible in D-20 " . > > If, having said that at the onset, he defines which deities are > worshipped based on the 12th house from AK in an " amsa " , can the amsa > in question be anything other than D-20?! After all, he clearly said > one's upaasanaa is seen from D-20. So the principles laid out later by > Parasara for upaasanaa *must* be referring to D-20 by " amsa " and *not* > D-9 as people normally take. > > * * * > > People faithfully follow tradition and suggest specific ishta devatas > to people. However, had some spiritual greats who were liberated by > the grace of a deity come to us, we would've probably prescribed a > different deity to them. There are several examples and I will share a > few here. > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to things > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at Dakshineshwar > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > material world). > > Such logic is unreasonable. Bottomline is that Ramakrishna revered and > surrendered to mother Kaali. He saw her in an idol, in a cat, in a > flower, in the entire creation and in the light that fills the entire > universe. The one who appears scary to several was a beautiful and > loving mother to him and She guided his life completely and liberated > him. Even before entering nirvikalpa samadhi (a state beyond forms, > including the Kaali form), he asked Kaali for permission. That shows > what Kaali meant to him! If Jyotish principles you use show Raama or > Taaraa as his ishta devata, probably your knowledge is incomplete or > incorrect. > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Sg in D-9 and Sc is empty. > Mars and Ketu own it. One would've suggested Narasimha or Bagalamukhi > for Mars or Matsyavatara or Dhumavati for Ketu. Her life too was > guided (and liberated) by mother Kaali. > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Sg. Jupiter is in 12th > and Mars owns it. One would've suggested Vaamana or Taaraa for Jupiter > or Narasimha or Bagalamukhi for Mars. Swamiji was into Gayatri mantra > and Chandipath. He saw Kaali as a girl and talked to her for most of > the second half of his life and derived his energy from her. He > remarked in his last few days that the girl Kaali who was around him > and giving him energy was no longer visible. If one has saayujya > (togetherness) of a deity while living and the deity is constantly > guiding one, that definitely must be one's ishta devata. > > For Ramana Maharshi, 12th from AK Moon contains Ketu in navamsa and > Venus owns and aspects 12th. However, he obtained liberation guided by > Shiva at Arunachalam. > > * * * > > If we cannot see the correct deity in the case of spiritual giants who > succeeded by surrendering to a specific deity, what good are our > principles and how well can we guide people? > > * * * > > I suggest going back to Parasara and using D-20 instead of D-9. There > is one special point when Rahu is AK. > > Planets have argala on the 3rd, 10th and 12th houses from them. > Parasara taught that these houses are counted *anti-zodiacally* when > we find the argala of *Rahu and Ketu* on various signs and planets. > This makes sense intuitively, as Rahu and Ketu move anti-zodiacally. > What Rahu considers as the 1st or 2nd house from him would be based on > his anti-zodiacal movement. If 0-30 deg from the longitude of Mars is > 1st house from Mars, 30-60 deg from the longitude of Mars is 2nd house > from Mars and so on, as Parasara taught in BPHS, then 360-330 deg from > Rahu's longitude must be the 1st house from Rahu and 330-300 deg from > Rahu's longitude must be the 2nd house from Rahu and so on. Even in > the evaluation of chara karakas, Parasara mentioned subtracting Rahu's > progress in sign from 30 deg and that is consistent with this entire > philosophy. > > Thus, I conclude that houses should be reckoned anti-zodiacally from > Rahu, if Rahu is AK. > > * * * > > Now, let us revisit previous examples. I am using Jagannatha ayanamsa. > I will stick to Parasara's approach and build on it, rather than use > the list of dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. For example, Sun shows > Shiva according to Parasara, when influencing the 12th from AK in amsa > (D-20). I will not take Sun to show Rama or Maatangi. Instead of > trying to see trees without checking if we are in the right forest, > let us first focus on seeing the forest. > > In the case of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. The > 12th house counted anti-zodiacally is Aq, owned by Saturn and Rahu, > who are together with Ketu in Cp. As per Parasara, Rahu (and also > Saturn sometimes) shows taamasik deities such as Durga ( " taamasIm > durgaaM " , said Parasara) and ugra devatas. Out of the deities listed > by Parasara, this is the group that Kaali would fall in. > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Ta in D-20. The 12th house > is Ar, owned by Mars. Mars is with Saturn in Aq and both aspect Ar. > Rahu and Ketu also aspect it. The influence of Aq, Saturn and Rahu is > coming again, like in Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Again Kaali is fine. > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Pi in D-20. The 12th > from him is Aq containing Rahu and Ketu and Saturn owns it. Again, the > same influence as the above two charts is seen, which makes sense. > > See, the three of them have the same influences on the 12th from AK in > D-20! > > Just to contrast, let us take another sishya of Ramakrishna > Paramahamsa, who was a Vaishnava. Take Swami Trigunatitananda (1865 > Jan 30, 9:26 pm LMT, Naora, India). AK Jupiter is in Cn In D-20. The > 12th is Ge and is empty. Only Saturn aspects it from Vi. Mercury owns > Ge. The influence of Mercury and Saturn according to Parasara shows a > devotee of Vishnu. Swami Trigunatitananda was indeed a Vaishnava. > > In the case of Srila Prabhupada, AK Rahu is in Sg. The 12th from him > reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp. Its lord Saturn is in Gemini owned > Mercury and aspected by Mercury. Saturn and Mercury show Vaishnavas. > He realized god through his surrender to Krishna, a form of Vishnu. > > In the case of Tridandi Chinna Jeeyar Swami (in the parampara of > Ramanujacharya) , AK Moon is in Cn in D-20. The 12th house Ge is owned > by Mercury and Saturn occupies it. He has realized whatever he has > realized so far, through devotion to Vishnu. > > In the case of Ramana Maharshi, AK Moon is in Aq in D-20. The 12th > from him is Cp. It is empty. Jupiter with nodes in a friendly sign > aspects it. Parasara emphasized connection with Ketu in his formulas > for 12th from AK. So, we will take Jupiter's aspect on Cp to be more > important than Saturn's ownership. Jupiter shows Shiva. Ramana > Maharshi was devoted to Shiva at Arunachalam and realized Self. > > In the case of Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, AK Saturn is in Cp in > D-20. The 12th from him is owned by Jupiter. He too was devoted to > Shiva and realized Self. > > Take Prof. K.S. Krishnamoorthy (1908 November 1, 12:11 pm IST, > Thiruvaiyaru) , the inventer of KP. His AK Rahu is in Sc in D-20. The > 12th from it reckoned anti-zodiacally is Sg. Its lord Jupiter is in Sc > with 4 other planets. The strongest influence there is that of Ketu. > Moreover, Sg is Ketu's exaltation sign. He was devoted to Ganapathi. > > Take a person with birthdata 1968 March 19 evening, India. AK Saturn > is in Vi in D-20. The 12th lord from him is in a Martian sign. Mars in > moolatrikona is aspecting 12th and 12th lord. His dominating influence > suggests Kartikeya. He indeed practiced a Subrahmanya mantra and had > several mystical experiences and making good progress towards realization. > > In the case of Swami Ramakrishnananda (disciple of Ramakrishna > Paramahamsa) , steadfast devotion to spiritual master was the > liberating factor. He constantly served Ramakrishna when he was here > and worshipped his relics everyday without fail after he left. Once he > requested Ramakrishna for some spiritual experiences, seeing the > experiences and ecstasy of other disciples. When Ramakrishna said, " I > can do that. But you will not be able to serve me after that " , he > withdrew his request and said he was then not interested in any > experiences! He became liberated through complete surrender, perfect > devotion and tireless service to his guru. He was born on 1863 July 13 > at 4:56 am LMT at Ichchapur, India. His AK Sun is in Aq in D-20. There > are 3 planets in Cp, but only Jupiter is in the 12th house from Sun, > based on Sun's divisional longitude in D-20. > > In the case of Paramahamsa Yogananda (of kriya yoga and > " Self-Realization Fellowship " and author of " Autobiography of a > Yogi " ), AK Venus is in Ar in D-20. The 12th from him is owned by > Jupiter, who joins nodes. Jupiter can show Shiva, but he can also show > surrender to a great guru, like in the above example. Paramahamsa > Yogananda may have worshipped several deities, but his surrender to > his guru Yukteshwar Maharaj (whom he met at 17) and guru parampara > (from Mahavatar Babaji) is what liberated him. > > * * * > > You can see that I am sticking to the basic classification instead of > using dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. If the 12th from AK in navamsa > has Jupiter, some suggest Vaamana and some suggest Taaraa, while > Pararsara said Shiva. It is important to see the forest first and then > try to see the trees. Clearly, Parasara's indications in BPHS show > that the 12th from AK in amsa (D-20) is meant to see the forest (Shiva > or Vishnu or Gouri or Kartikeya etc). Seeing the specific form of > Vishnu or Shiva or Gouri etc must be from other modifying factors. I > will not go into that. But, I want to emphasize that going into trees > without making sure you are in the right forest is not so wise! > > There seem to be corruptions in our current knowledge. Going back to > Parasara faithfully, thinking logically and simplifying things will be > helpful in getting more consistent results, in many areas. Unless the > principles one uses are verified based on reliable data (e.g. charts > of people who indeed made great spiritual progress by worshipping a > specific deity), they just remain theoretical and their utility > questionable. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 Respected Rafalji,  Thank you for the explanation. Please let me know how to determine Graha Arudha.  Thank you Best Regards Lalitha v --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme Re: [vedic astrology] Graha Arudha vedic astrology Sunday, November 8, 2009, 5:25 PM  /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ Dear Lalitha, Just like the arudha of houses are the external manifestation of bhava, graha arudha shows the point where the planet will show the manifestation. For example graha arudha of lagnesh will show how other's percieve the native, so its like the traces which stays after some action is done by the actual Lagnadhipati. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru ------------ -- /*Consultations & Pages* http://rohinaa. com rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com starsuponme@ wp.pl / Lalitha Vuppaladadiyam pisze: > > > Aum Namo Bhagavathe Vaasudevaya > > Poojya Gurujis, > > Can anybody please explain what is meant by Graha Arudha? > > Thank you > Best Regards > lalitha v > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net > <pvr% 40charter. net>> wrote: > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net <pvr% 40charter. net>> > [vedic astrology] The 12th from AK and 9th from AK-arudha > JyotishWritings > <JyotishWrit ings%40grou ps.com>, > vedic astrology <vedic- astrology% 40. com> > Cc: <JyotishGrou p%40. com> > Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:12 PM > > > > Namaste friends, > > I sent a writeup titled " On Seeing Deities from the 12th from > Karakamsa " with many examples sometime back. I reproduced that writeup > at the end of this email for easy reference. > > The enclosed critique on that writeup was posted by Pt Rath on sohamsa > list recently and it was forwarded to me by a friend. > > > Ramakrishna > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now as > > per Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu > > becomes AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating > > the Ista devata. > > I clearly wrote (see the article at the end): " In the case of > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. " > > Pt Rath missed the explicitly stated fact that I also took Rahu as AK > and not " another planet other than Rahu " as he *imagined* above. Pt > Rath also missed the explicitly stated fact that I count houses > anti-zodiacally from Rahu. Pt Rath missed the fact that I do not try > to see the trees without seeing the forest first and I do not look for > dasa mahavidyas or dasavatara lists and use the basic list of Parasara. > > Given the factual errors in attributing things to me above, it is > clear that Pt Rath proceeded to critique my views without reading them! > > * * * > > Criticizing someone's view without reading it properly (let alone > giving it due consideration! ) and based on one's own *imagination* of > what the other person is saying, demonstrates a *desperation* to > criticize. > > * * * > > Sarada Mata's Moon is not in Ge in D-20, but in Ta, if one uses Lahiri > ayanamsa or Jagannatha ayanamsa. > > Pt Rath said that " Ramakrishna Paramahamsa " is the " ishta devata " of > Vivekananda. But my view is that Ramakrishna Paramahamsa is his guru. > Many Hindu saints explicitly worship guru with a mantra. But that does > not make guru their " ishta devata " . > > Vivekananda saw Kaali as a small girl throughout the second half of > his life, talked to her as a person and was guided by her. He said he > stopped seeing her a few days before leaving his body. If that does > not make her his ishta devata, I do not know what will! > > * * * > > Regarding " Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory " , Parasara explicitly gave the > criteria to decide when to use 7 chara karakas and when to use 8 chara > karakas. Both KN Rao group that uses 7 chara karakas always and Pt > Rath group that uses 8 chara karakas in human charts always are in > violation of Parasara's explicit teaching. > > Narasimha made an effort to understand and share the understanding > (http://vedicastrolo ger.org/articles /c_karaka. pdf). His view may or > may not be perfect, but it is closer to Parasara's teaching. > > * * * > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality (dharma, Sg) > > Parasara asked to see the deity one worships from the 12th from AK's > amsa and NOT what one " esablishes " . Pt Rath is trying to deviate from > Parasara and see everything from the 12th from AK! > > In my view, dasamsa is the chart for one's activities and > accomplishments ( " mahatphalam " is seen in D-10, according to > Parasara). AK shows the soul and the *graha arudha* of AK should show > how the soul manifests to the world. After all, one's mission or > achievement is an attribute of the *manifestation* of one's soul to > the world. The 9th house from the graha arudha of AK in D-10 could > indicate what the world views as a major mission (dharma/duty) of > one's soul. > > Vivekananda and Sarada Mata had graha arudha of AK in Cn in D-10. The > 9th was in Pisces showing establishing Vedanta and other knowledge of > rishis. As another example, graha arudha of AK in Aurobindo's D-10 is > in Ar. The 9th from there has Sg with Ketu in it, showing > establishment of dharma and Vedic knowledge. As another example, graha > arudha of AK in Ramana Maharshi's D-10 is in Sc. The 9th house > contains exalted Jupiter and shows teaching sublime Vedic truths. > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati had graha arudha of AK in Li and the > 9th again had Jupiter in Ge, showing establishment and lecturing of > Vedic knowledge. > > All these saints have Jupiter involved. As a comparison, see other > kinds of charts. Bill Gates has AK Saturn in Cn, his graha arudha in > Ar and the 9th has Mercury (knowledge, communications and computing). > Adolf Hitler has AK Venus in Sg, his graha arudha in Li and the 9th > from it has Sun (power). Composer A.R. Rahman (of Jai ho fame) has AK > Sun in Cn, his graha arudha in Ta (empty) and its lord Venus exalted > (music and artistic creativity). > > Thus, the mission and what one achieves and establishes in one's life > may be better seen from the 9th from the graha arudha of AK in D-10, > than from the 12th house from AK in navamsa or vimsamsa. > > When we extrapolate things not mentioned by rishis, we need to be > intelligent and consistent. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@ ...> wrote: > > > > Narasimha Theory #1: Ista devata is to be seen from the Vimsamsa > instead of the Navamsa chart > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > The arguments given were the charts of Sri Ramakrishna besides others - > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to things > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at Dakshineshwar > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > material world). > > > > Let us examine the Vimsamsa and Navamsa charts > > > > In both the charts the atmakaraka Rahu is in Capricorn and the 12th > house in both the charts is the same with the difference being that > the Sun in Sagittarius is in the 12H from Karakamsa in D9 while the > 12H from karakamsa in D20 is empty. How does the 12H from karakamsa > show Kaali? > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now as per > Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu becomes > AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating the Ista devata. > > > > Understanding Parashara is another cup of tea. > > > > In Vimsamsa, the *form* of the devata that one loves will come into > the picture. Ramakrishna loved Kaali as this is indicated by the *Moon > in Lagna in Aquarius*. This was His upaasita devata (Upasana or > penance deity). We can also say that as the Moon (in Aq = Kaali) joins > the 9th Lord, this devata form was associated with a temple. > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ===== > > > > Sri Sarada Ma > > > > In the chart of Sri Sarada Ma, the atmakaraka Moon is in Sagittarius > navamsa. The ista devata is seen in the 12th house Scorpio which is > empty and its lord Ketu joins AK Moon. Sri Sarada Ma has said that she > is *Bagala* [this is Her statement]. This is seen from the energy of > Scorpio brought by Ketu to the AK Moon. > > > > However, Mercury also conjoins the AK Moon and the Ista planet Ketu > thereby indicating Sodasi (Tripura sundari). Sri Ramakrishna saw Her > as Sodasi and also worshipped Her as such. Therefore it is clear that > Sri Sarada Ma is a dual manifestation of both Sri Bagalamukhi and Sri > Tripurasundari and these are Her ista devata. > > > > Apply narasimha Theory. The AK Moon is in Gemini Vimsamssa and the > 12th house is Taurus indicating the Ista devata as Lakshmi. Definitely > wrong approach. > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > ========= ======== > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > > > In the chart of Swami Vivekanada, the Atmakaraka Sun is in > Sagittarius Navamsa and the 12H from it is Scorpio with Jupiter in it > indicating Shiva/Guru as Ista devata. > > > > Swami Vivekananda worshipped Thakur with the mantra *om hriiM namo > bhagavate raamakrishnaaya* [see the first letters of each line of > Ramakrishna stotra, the mantra is hidden in there]. Thakur ramakrishna > was His Ista devata and was Shiva for Him, protector, teacher and > everything. > > > > Applying Narasimha AK Vimsamsa theory, the Sun is in Pisces and 12H > is having Rahu and Ketu and giving me arguments like Durga and ganesha > as Ista for Him is not going to work. > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > ========= ====== > > > > How God/Ista devata helps > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Ramakrishna, the Ista Devata Sun is in > Sagittarius navamsa ...both the two souls who made the Ramakrishna > Mission happen - Swami Vivekanada and Sarada ma, had AK in Sagittarius > navamsa. > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality (dharma, Sg) > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > The message that Pt Rath was commenting on > http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings/message/ 5 > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Namaste, > > I mentioned a formula that occurs commonly in the charts of spiritual > greats, though it is not that common in regular charts. The long > discussion on sohamsa that followed that post ignored the actual > formula and its building blocks and focused on other things. I want to > say more on one important building block used in that formula. > > * * * > > In the chapter called " kaarakaamsa phala " in BPHS, Parasara mentioned > the deities worshipped based on the planets in the 12th from > kaarakaamsha. For example, Sun in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of > Shiva and Moon in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of Gouri. > > The term " kaarakaamsa " means " AK's amsa " . Amsa only means division. > Which amsa or division is Parasara referring to? > > Though people jumped to the conclusion that amsa means navaamsa by > default, there is one more important thing to consider here. At the > onset itself, Parasara clarified which amsas (divisions) are used for > which purposes. He clearly said " upaasanaayaaH viGYaanaM saadhyaM > viMshati bhaagake " , meaning " the knowledge of one's worship and > spiritual practices is possible in D-20 " . > > If, having said that at the onset, he defines which deities are > worshipped based on the 12th house from AK in an " amsa " , can the amsa > in question be anything other than D-20?! After all, he clearly said > one's upaasanaa is seen from D-20. So the principles laid out later by > Parasara for upaasanaa *must* be referring to D-20 by " amsa " and *not* > D-9 as people normally take. > > * * * > > People faithfully follow tradition and suggest specific ishta devatas > to people. However, had some spiritual greats who were liberated by > the grace of a deity come to us, we would've probably prescribed a > different deity to them. There are several examples and I will share a > few here. > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to things > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at Dakshineshwar > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > material world). > > Such logic is unreasonable. Bottomline is that Ramakrishna revered and > surrendered to mother Kaali. He saw her in an idol, in a cat, in a > flower, in the entire creation and in the light that fills the entire > universe. The one who appears scary to several was a beautiful and > loving mother to him and She guided his life completely and liberated > him. Even before entering nirvikalpa samadhi (a state beyond forms, > including the Kaali form), he asked Kaali for permission. That shows > what Kaali meant to him! If Jyotish principles you use show Raama or > Taaraa as his ishta devata, probably your knowledge is incomplete or > incorrect. > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Sg in D-9 and Sc is empty. > Mars and Ketu own it. One would've suggested Narasimha or Bagalamukhi > for Mars or Matsyavatara or Dhumavati for Ketu. Her life too was > guided (and liberated) by mother Kaali. > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Sg. Jupiter is in 12th > and Mars owns it. One would've suggested Vaamana or Taaraa for Jupiter > or Narasimha or Bagalamukhi for Mars. Swamiji was into Gayatri mantra > and Chandipath. He saw Kaali as a girl and talked to her for most of > the second half of his life and derived his energy from her. He > remarked in his last few days that the girl Kaali who was around him > and giving him energy was no longer visible. If one has saayujya > (togetherness) of a deity while living and the deity is constantly > guiding one, that definitely must be one's ishta devata. > > For Ramana Maharshi, 12th from AK Moon contains Ketu in navamsa and > Venus owns and aspects 12th. However, he obtained liberation guided by > Shiva at Arunachalam. > > * * * > > If we cannot see the correct deity in the case of spiritual giants who > succeeded by surrendering to a specific deity, what good are our > principles and how well can we guide people? > > * * * > > I suggest going back to Parasara and using D-20 instead of D-9. There > is one special point when Rahu is AK. > > Planets have argala on the 3rd, 10th and 12th houses from them. > Parasara taught that these houses are counted *anti-zodiacally* when > we find the argala of *Rahu and Ketu* on various signs and planets. > This makes sense intuitively, as Rahu and Ketu move anti-zodiacally. > What Rahu considers as the 1st or 2nd house from him would be based on > his anti-zodiacal movement. If 0-30 deg from the longitude of Mars is > 1st house from Mars, 30-60 deg from the longitude of Mars is 2nd house > from Mars and so on, as Parasara taught in BPHS, then 360-330 deg from > Rahu's longitude must be the 1st house from Rahu and 330-300 deg from > Rahu's longitude must be the 2nd house from Rahu and so on. Even in > the evaluation of chara karakas, Parasara mentioned subtracting Rahu's > progress in sign from 30 deg and that is consistent with this entire > philosophy. > > Thus, I conclude that houses should be reckoned anti-zodiacally from > Rahu, if Rahu is AK. > > * * * > > Now, let us revisit previous examples. I am using Jagannatha ayanamsa. > I will stick to Parasara's approach and build on it, rather than use > the list of dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. For example, Sun shows > Shiva according to Parasara, when influencing the 12th from AK in amsa > (D-20). I will not take Sun to show Rama or Maatangi. Instead of > trying to see trees without checking if we are in the right forest, > let us first focus on seeing the forest. > > In the case of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. The > 12th house counted anti-zodiacally is Aq, owned by Saturn and Rahu, > who are together with Ketu in Cp. As per Parasara, Rahu (and also > Saturn sometimes) shows taamasik deities such as Durga ( " taamasIm > durgaaM " , said Parasara) and ugra devatas. Out of the deities listed > by Parasara, this is the group that Kaali would fall in. > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Ta in D-20. The 12th house > is Ar, owned by Mars. Mars is with Saturn in Aq and both aspect Ar. > Rahu and Ketu also aspect it. The influence of Aq, Saturn and Rahu is > coming again, like in Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Again Kaali is fine. > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Pi in D-20. The 12th > from him is Aq containing Rahu and Ketu and Saturn owns it. Again, the > same influence as the above two charts is seen, which makes sense. > > See, the three of them have the same influences on the 12th from AK in > D-20! > > Just to contrast, let us take another sishya of Ramakrishna > Paramahamsa, who was a Vaishnava. Take Swami Trigunatitananda (1865 > Jan 30, 9:26 pm LMT, Naora, India). AK Jupiter is in Cn In D-20. The > 12th is Ge and is empty. Only Saturn aspects it from Vi. Mercury owns > Ge. The influence of Mercury and Saturn according to Parasara shows a > devotee of Vishnu. Swami Trigunatitananda was indeed a Vaishnava. > > In the case of Srila Prabhupada, AK Rahu is in Sg. The 12th from him > reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp. Its lord Saturn is in Gemini owned > Mercury and aspected by Mercury. Saturn and Mercury show Vaishnavas. > He realized god through his surrender to Krishna, a form of Vishnu. > > In the case of Tridandi Chinna Jeeyar Swami (in the parampara of > Ramanujacharya) , AK Moon is in Cn in D-20. The 12th house Ge is owned > by Mercury and Saturn occupies it. He has realized whatever he has > realized so far, through devotion to Vishnu. > > In the case of Ramana Maharshi, AK Moon is in Aq in D-20. The 12th > from him is Cp. It is empty. Jupiter with nodes in a friendly sign > aspects it. Parasara emphasized connection with Ketu in his formulas > for 12th from AK. So, we will take Jupiter's aspect on Cp to be more > important than Saturn's ownership. Jupiter shows Shiva. Ramana > Maharshi was devoted to Shiva at Arunachalam and realized Self. > > In the case of Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, AK Saturn is in Cp in > D-20. The 12th from him is owned by Jupiter. He too was devoted to > Shiva and realized Self. > > Take Prof. K.S. Krishnamoorthy (1908 November 1, 12:11 pm IST, > Thiruvaiyaru) , the inventer of KP. His AK Rahu is in Sc in D-20. The > 12th from it reckoned anti-zodiacally is Sg. Its lord Jupiter is in Sc > with 4 other planets. The strongest influence there is that of Ketu. > Moreover, Sg is Ketu's exaltation sign. He was devoted to Ganapathi. > > Take a person with birthdata 1968 March 19 evening, India. AK Saturn > is in Vi in D-20. The 12th lord from him is in a Martian sign. Mars in > moolatrikona is aspecting 12th and 12th lord. His dominating influence > suggests Kartikeya. He indeed practiced a Subrahmanya mantra and had > several mystical experiences and making good progress towards realization. > > In the case of Swami Ramakrishnananda (disciple of Ramakrishna > Paramahamsa) , steadfast devotion to spiritual master was the > liberating factor. He constantly served Ramakrishna when he was here > and worshipped his relics everyday without fail after he left. Once he > requested Ramakrishna for some spiritual experiences, seeing the > experiences and ecstasy of other disciples. When Ramakrishna said, " I > can do that. But you will not be able to serve me after that " , he > withdrew his request and said he was then not interested in any > experiences! He became liberated through complete surrender, perfect > devotion and tireless service to his guru. He was born on 1863 July 13 > at 4:56 am LMT at Ichchapur, India. His AK Sun is in Aq in D-20. There > are 3 planets in Cp, but only Jupiter is in the 12th house from Sun, > based on Sun's divisional longitude in D-20. > > In the case of Paramahamsa Yogananda (of kriya yoga and > " Self-Realization Fellowship " and author of " Autobiography of a > Yogi " ), AK Venus is in Ar in D-20. The 12th from him is owned by > Jupiter, who joins nodes. Jupiter can show Shiva, but he can also show > surrender to a great guru, like in the above example. Paramahamsa > Yogananda may have worshipped several deities, but his surrender to > his guru Yukteshwar Maharaj (whom he met at 17) and guru parampara > (from Mahavatar Babaji) is what liberated him. > > * * * > > You can see that I am sticking to the basic classification instead of > using dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. If the 12th from AK in navamsa > has Jupiter, some suggest Vaamana and some suggest Taaraa, while > Pararsara said Shiva. It is important to see the forest first and then > try to see the trees. Clearly, Parasara's indications in BPHS show > that the 12th from AK in amsa (D-20) is meant to see the forest (Shiva > or Vishnu or Gouri or Kartikeya etc). Seeing the specific form of > Vishnu or Shiva or Gouri etc must be from other modifying factors. I > will not go into that. But, I want to emphasize that going into trees > without making sure you are in the right forest is not so wise! > > There seem to be corruptions in our current knowledge. Going back to > Parasara faithfully, thinking logically and simplifying things will be > helpful in getting more consistent results, in many areas. Unless the > principles one uses are verified based on reliable data (e.g. charts > of people who indeed made great spiritual progress by worshipping a > specific deity), they just remain theoretical and their utility > questionable. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 Hmm... Mr. Gendarz: What you wrote sounds opposite to what PVR wrote in his Integrated Astrology! He described Graha Arudha as being the way the nativity views the different things, so Graha Arudha of Lagnesh will 'show' or describe how the nativity sees him/herself, whereas, the arudha of lagna (house) will show how others perceive the Nativity. Maybe, that is what you meant or perhaps with time, the implications have gotten modified! Please clarify. Thanks! Rohiniranjan vedic astrology , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > Dear Lalitha, > > Just like the arudha of houses are the external manifestation of bhava, > graha arudha shows the point where the planet will show the > manifestation. For example graha arudha of lagnesh will show how other's > percieve the native, so its like the traces which stays after some > action is done by the actual Lagnadhipati. > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > -------------- > /*Consultations & Pages* > http://rohinaa.com > rafal > starsuponme / > > > Lalitha Vuppaladadiyam pisze: > > > > > > Aum Namo Bhagavathe Vaasudevaya > > > > Poojya Gurujis, > > > > Can anybody please explain what is meant by Graha Arudha? > > > > Thank you > > Best Regards > > lalitha v > > > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr > > <pvr%40charter.net>> wrote: > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr <pvr%40charter.net>> > > [vedic astrology] The 12th from AK and 9th from AK-arudha > > JyotishWritings > > <JyotishWritings%40>, > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > > Cc: <%40> > > Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:12 PM > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > I sent a writeup titled " On Seeing Deities from the 12th from > > Karakamsa " with many examples sometime back. I reproduced that writeup > > at the end of this email for easy reference. > > > > The enclosed critique on that writeup was posted by Pt Rath on sohamsa > > list recently and it was forwarded to me by a friend. > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now as > > > per Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu > > > becomes AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating > > > the Ista devata. > > > > I clearly wrote (see the article at the end): " In the case of > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. " > > > > Pt Rath missed the explicitly stated fact that I also took Rahu as AK > > and not " another planet other than Rahu " as he *imagined* above. Pt > > Rath also missed the explicitly stated fact that I count houses > > anti-zodiacally from Rahu. Pt Rath missed the fact that I do not try > > to see the trees without seeing the forest first and I do not look for > > dasa mahavidyas or dasavatara lists and use the basic list of Parasara. > > > > Given the factual errors in attributing things to me above, it is > > clear that Pt Rath proceeded to critique my views without reading them! > > > > * * * > > > > Criticizing someone's view without reading it properly (let alone > > giving it due consideration! ) and based on one's own *imagination* of > > what the other person is saying, demonstrates a *desperation* to > > criticize. > > > > * * * > > > > Sarada Mata's Moon is not in Ge in D-20, but in Ta, if one uses Lahiri > > ayanamsa or Jagannatha ayanamsa. > > > > Pt Rath said that " Ramakrishna Paramahamsa " is the " ishta devata " of > > Vivekananda. But my view is that Ramakrishna Paramahamsa is his guru. > > Many Hindu saints explicitly worship guru with a mantra. But that does > > not make guru their " ishta devata " . > > > > Vivekananda saw Kaali as a small girl throughout the second half of > > his life, talked to her as a person and was guided by her. He said he > > stopped seeing her a few days before leaving his body. If that does > > not make her his ishta devata, I do not know what will! > > > > * * * > > > > Regarding " Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory " , Parasara explicitly gave the > > criteria to decide when to use 7 chara karakas and when to use 8 chara > > karakas. Both KN Rao group that uses 7 chara karakas always and Pt > > Rath group that uses 8 chara karakas in human charts always are in > > violation of Parasara's explicit teaching. > > > > Narasimha made an effort to understand and share the understanding > > (http://vedicastrolo ger.org/articles /c_karaka. pdf). His view may or > > may not be perfect, but it is closer to Parasara's teaching. > > > > * * * > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality (dharma, Sg) > > > > Parasara asked to see the deity one worships from the 12th from AK's > > amsa and NOT what one " esablishes " . Pt Rath is trying to deviate from > > Parasara and see everything from the 12th from AK! > > > > In my view, dasamsa is the chart for one's activities and > > accomplishments ( " mahatphalam " is seen in D-10, according to > > Parasara). AK shows the soul and the *graha arudha* of AK should show > > how the soul manifests to the world. After all, one's mission or > > achievement is an attribute of the *manifestation* of one's soul to > > the world. The 9th house from the graha arudha of AK in D-10 could > > indicate what the world views as a major mission (dharma/duty) of > > one's soul. > > > > Vivekananda and Sarada Mata had graha arudha of AK in Cn in D-10. The > > 9th was in Pisces showing establishing Vedanta and other knowledge of > > rishis. As another example, graha arudha of AK in Aurobindo's D-10 is > > in Ar. The 9th from there has Sg with Ketu in it, showing > > establishment of dharma and Vedic knowledge. As another example, graha > > arudha of AK in Ramana Maharshi's D-10 is in Sc. The 9th house > > contains exalted Jupiter and shows teaching sublime Vedic truths. > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati had graha arudha of AK in Li and the > > 9th again had Jupiter in Ge, showing establishment and lecturing of > > Vedic knowledge. > > > > All these saints have Jupiter involved. As a comparison, see other > > kinds of charts. Bill Gates has AK Saturn in Cn, his graha arudha in > > Ar and the 9th has Mercury (knowledge, communications and computing). > > Adolf Hitler has AK Venus in Sg, his graha arudha in Li and the 9th > > from it has Sun (power). Composer A.R. Rahman (of Jai ho fame) has AK > > Sun in Cn, his graha arudha in Ta (empty) and its lord Venus exalted > > (music and artistic creativity). > > > > Thus, the mission and what one achieves and establishes in one's life > > may be better seen from the 9th from the graha arudha of AK in D-10, > > than from the 12th house from AK in navamsa or vimsamsa. > > > > When we extrapolate things not mentioned by rishis, we need to be > > intelligent and consistent. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Narasimha Theory #1: Ista devata is to be seen from the Vimsamsa > > instead of the Navamsa chart > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > The arguments given were the charts of Sri Ramakrishna besides others - > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to things > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at Dakshineshwar > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > material world). > > > > > > Let us examine the Vimsamsa and Navamsa charts > > > > > > In both the charts the atmakaraka Rahu is in Capricorn and the 12th > > house in both the charts is the same with the difference being that > > the Sun in Sagittarius is in the 12H from Karakamsa in D9 while the > > 12H from karakamsa in D20 is empty. How does the 12H from karakamsa > > show Kaali? > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now as per > > Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu becomes > > AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating the Ista devata. > > > > > > Understanding Parashara is another cup of tea. > > > > > > In Vimsamsa, the *form* of the devata that one loves will come into > > the picture. Ramakrishna loved Kaali as this is indicated by the *Moon > > in Lagna in Aquarius*. This was His upaasita devata (Upasana or > > penance deity). We can also say that as the Moon (in Aq = Kaali) joins > > the 9th Lord, this devata form was associated with a temple. > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ===== > > > > > > Sri Sarada Ma > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Sarada Ma, the atmakaraka Moon is in Sagittarius > > navamsa. The ista devata is seen in the 12th house Scorpio which is > > empty and its lord Ketu joins AK Moon. Sri Sarada Ma has said that she > > is *Bagala* [this is Her statement]. This is seen from the energy of > > Scorpio brought by Ketu to the AK Moon. > > > > > > However, Mercury also conjoins the AK Moon and the Ista planet Ketu > > thereby indicating Sodasi (Tripura sundari). Sri Ramakrishna saw Her > > as Sodasi and also worshipped Her as such. Therefore it is clear that > > Sri Sarada Ma is a dual manifestation of both Sri Bagalamukhi and Sri > > Tripurasundari and these are Her ista devata. > > > > > > Apply narasimha Theory. The AK Moon is in Gemini Vimsamssa and the > > 12th house is Taurus indicating the Ista devata as Lakshmi. Definitely > > wrong approach. > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > ========= ======== > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > > > > > In the chart of Swami Vivekanada, the Atmakaraka Sun is in > > Sagittarius Navamsa and the 12H from it is Scorpio with Jupiter in it > > indicating Shiva/Guru as Ista devata. > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda worshipped Thakur with the mantra *om hriiM namo > > bhagavate raamakrishnaaya* [see the first letters of each line of > > Ramakrishna stotra, the mantra is hidden in there]. Thakur ramakrishna > > was His Ista devata and was Shiva for Him, protector, teacher and > > everything. > > > > > > Applying Narasimha AK Vimsamsa theory, the Sun is in Pisces and 12H > > is having Rahu and Ketu and giving me arguments like Durga and ganesha > > as Ista for Him is not going to work. > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > ========= ====== > > > > > > How God/Ista devata helps > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Ramakrishna, the Ista Devata Sun is in > > Sagittarius navamsa ...both the two souls who made the Ramakrishna > > Mission happen - Swami Vivekanada and Sarada ma, had AK in Sagittarius > > navamsa. > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > The message that Pt Rath was commenting on > > http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings/message/ 5 > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Namaste, > > > > I mentioned a formula that occurs commonly in the charts of spiritual > > greats, though it is not that common in regular charts. The long > > discussion on sohamsa that followed that post ignored the actual > > formula and its building blocks and focused on other things. I want to > > say more on one important building block used in that formula. > > > > * * * > > > > In the chapter called " kaarakaamsa phala " in BPHS, Parasara mentioned > > the deities worshipped based on the planets in the 12th from > > kaarakaamsha. For example, Sun in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of > > Shiva and Moon in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of Gouri. > > > > The term " kaarakaamsa " means " AK's amsa " . Amsa only means division. > > Which amsa or division is Parasara referring to? > > > > Though people jumped to the conclusion that amsa means navaamsa by > > default, there is one more important thing to consider here. At the > > onset itself, Parasara clarified which amsas (divisions) are used for > > which purposes. He clearly said " upaasanaayaaH viGYaanaM saadhyaM > > viMshati bhaagake " , meaning " the knowledge of one's worship and > > spiritual practices is possible in D-20 " . > > > > If, having said that at the onset, he defines which deities are > > worshipped based on the 12th house from AK in an " amsa " , can the amsa > > in question be anything other than D-20?! After all, he clearly said > > one's upaasanaa is seen from D-20. So the principles laid out later by > > Parasara for upaasanaa *must* be referring to D-20 by " amsa " and *not* > > D-9 as people normally take. > > > > * * * > > > > People faithfully follow tradition and suggest specific ishta devatas > > to people. However, had some spiritual greats who were liberated by > > the grace of a deity come to us, we would've probably prescribed a > > different deity to them. There are several examples and I will share a > > few here. > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to things > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at Dakshineshwar > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > material world). > > > > Such logic is unreasonable. Bottomline is that Ramakrishna revered and > > surrendered to mother Kaali. He saw her in an idol, in a cat, in a > > flower, in the entire creation and in the light that fills the entire > > universe. The one who appears scary to several was a beautiful and > > loving mother to him and She guided his life completely and liberated > > him. Even before entering nirvikalpa samadhi (a state beyond forms, > > including the Kaali form), he asked Kaali for permission. That shows > > what Kaali meant to him! If Jyotish principles you use show Raama or > > Taaraa as his ishta devata, probably your knowledge is incomplete or > > incorrect. > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Sg in D-9 and Sc is empty. > > Mars and Ketu own it. One would've suggested Narasimha or Bagalamukhi > > for Mars or Matsyavatara or Dhumavati for Ketu. Her life too was > > guided (and liberated) by mother Kaali. > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Sg. Jupiter is in 12th > > and Mars owns it. One would've suggested Vaamana or Taaraa for Jupiter > > or Narasimha or Bagalamukhi for Mars. Swamiji was into Gayatri mantra > > and Chandipath. He saw Kaali as a girl and talked to her for most of > > the second half of his life and derived his energy from her. He > > remarked in his last few days that the girl Kaali who was around him > > and giving him energy was no longer visible. If one has saayujya > > (togetherness) of a deity while living and the deity is constantly > > guiding one, that definitely must be one's ishta devata. > > > > For Ramana Maharshi, 12th from AK Moon contains Ketu in navamsa and > > Venus owns and aspects 12th. However, he obtained liberation guided by > > Shiva at Arunachalam. > > > > * * * > > > > If we cannot see the correct deity in the case of spiritual giants who > > succeeded by surrendering to a specific deity, what good are our > > principles and how well can we guide people? > > > > * * * > > > > I suggest going back to Parasara and using D-20 instead of D-9. There > > is one special point when Rahu is AK. > > > > Planets have argala on the 3rd, 10th and 12th houses from them. > > Parasara taught that these houses are counted *anti-zodiacally* when > > we find the argala of *Rahu and Ketu* on various signs and planets. > > This makes sense intuitively, as Rahu and Ketu move anti-zodiacally. > > What Rahu considers as the 1st or 2nd house from him would be based on > > his anti-zodiacal movement. If 0-30 deg from the longitude of Mars is > > 1st house from Mars, 30-60 deg from the longitude of Mars is 2nd house > > from Mars and so on, as Parasara taught in BPHS, then 360-330 deg from > > Rahu's longitude must be the 1st house from Rahu and 330-300 deg from > > Rahu's longitude must be the 2nd house from Rahu and so on. Even in > > the evaluation of chara karakas, Parasara mentioned subtracting Rahu's > > progress in sign from 30 deg and that is consistent with this entire > > philosophy. > > > > Thus, I conclude that houses should be reckoned anti-zodiacally from > > Rahu, if Rahu is AK. > > > > * * * > > > > Now, let us revisit previous examples. I am using Jagannatha ayanamsa. > > I will stick to Parasara's approach and build on it, rather than use > > the list of dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. For example, Sun shows > > Shiva according to Parasara, when influencing the 12th from AK in amsa > > (D-20). I will not take Sun to show Rama or Maatangi. Instead of > > trying to see trees without checking if we are in the right forest, > > let us first focus on seeing the forest. > > > > In the case of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. The > > 12th house counted anti-zodiacally is Aq, owned by Saturn and Rahu, > > who are together with Ketu in Cp. As per Parasara, Rahu (and also > > Saturn sometimes) shows taamasik deities such as Durga ( " taamasIm > > durgaaM " , said Parasara) and ugra devatas. Out of the deities listed > > by Parasara, this is the group that Kaali would fall in. > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Ta in D-20. The 12th house > > is Ar, owned by Mars. Mars is with Saturn in Aq and both aspect Ar. > > Rahu and Ketu also aspect it. The influence of Aq, Saturn and Rahu is > > coming again, like in Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Again Kaali is fine. > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Pi in D-20. The 12th > > from him is Aq containing Rahu and Ketu and Saturn owns it. Again, the > > same influence as the above two charts is seen, which makes sense. > > > > See, the three of them have the same influences on the 12th from AK in > > D-20! > > > > Just to contrast, let us take another sishya of Ramakrishna > > Paramahamsa, who was a Vaishnava. Take Swami Trigunatitananda (1865 > > Jan 30, 9:26 pm LMT, Naora, India). AK Jupiter is in Cn In D-20. The > > 12th is Ge and is empty. Only Saturn aspects it from Vi. Mercury owns > > Ge. The influence of Mercury and Saturn according to Parasara shows a > > devotee of Vishnu. Swami Trigunatitananda was indeed a Vaishnava. > > > > In the case of Srila Prabhupada, AK Rahu is in Sg. The 12th from him > > reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp. Its lord Saturn is in Gemini owned > > Mercury and aspected by Mercury. Saturn and Mercury show Vaishnavas. > > He realized god through his surrender to Krishna, a form of Vishnu. > > > > In the case of Tridandi Chinna Jeeyar Swami (in the parampara of > > Ramanujacharya) , AK Moon is in Cn in D-20. The 12th house Ge is owned > > by Mercury and Saturn occupies it. He has realized whatever he has > > realized so far, through devotion to Vishnu. > > > > In the case of Ramana Maharshi, AK Moon is in Aq in D-20. The 12th > > from him is Cp. It is empty. Jupiter with nodes in a friendly sign > > aspects it. Parasara emphasized connection with Ketu in his formulas > > for 12th from AK. So, we will take Jupiter's aspect on Cp to be more > > important than Saturn's ownership. Jupiter shows Shiva. Ramana > > Maharshi was devoted to Shiva at Arunachalam and realized Self. > > > > In the case of Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, AK Saturn is in Cp in > > D-20. The 12th from him is owned by Jupiter. He too was devoted to > > Shiva and realized Self. > > > > Take Prof. K.S. Krishnamoorthy (1908 November 1, 12:11 pm IST, > > Thiruvaiyaru) , the inventer of KP. His AK Rahu is in Sc in D-20. The > > 12th from it reckoned anti-zodiacally is Sg. Its lord Jupiter is in Sc > > with 4 other planets. The strongest influence there is that of Ketu. > > Moreover, Sg is Ketu's exaltation sign. He was devoted to Ganapathi. > > > > Take a person with birthdata 1968 March 19 evening, India. AK Saturn > > is in Vi in D-20. The 12th lord from him is in a Martian sign. Mars in > > moolatrikona is aspecting 12th and 12th lord. His dominating influence > > suggests Kartikeya. He indeed practiced a Subrahmanya mantra and had > > several mystical experiences and making good progress towards realization. > > > > In the case of Swami Ramakrishnananda (disciple of Ramakrishna > > Paramahamsa) , steadfast devotion to spiritual master was the > > liberating factor. He constantly served Ramakrishna when he was here > > and worshipped his relics everyday without fail after he left. Once he > > requested Ramakrishna for some spiritual experiences, seeing the > > experiences and ecstasy of other disciples. When Ramakrishna said, " I > > can do that. But you will not be able to serve me after that " , he > > withdrew his request and said he was then not interested in any > > experiences! He became liberated through complete surrender, perfect > > devotion and tireless service to his guru. He was born on 1863 July 13 > > at 4:56 am LMT at Ichchapur, India. His AK Sun is in Aq in D-20. There > > are 3 planets in Cp, but only Jupiter is in the 12th house from Sun, > > based on Sun's divisional longitude in D-20. > > > > In the case of Paramahamsa Yogananda (of kriya yoga and > > " Self-Realization Fellowship " and author of " Autobiography of a > > Yogi " ), AK Venus is in Ar in D-20. The 12th from him is owned by > > Jupiter, who joins nodes. Jupiter can show Shiva, but he can also show > > surrender to a great guru, like in the above example. Paramahamsa > > Yogananda may have worshipped several deities, but his surrender to > > his guru Yukteshwar Maharaj (whom he met at 17) and guru parampara > > (from Mahavatar Babaji) is what liberated him. > > > > * * * > > > > You can see that I am sticking to the basic classification instead of > > using dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. If the 12th from AK in navamsa > > has Jupiter, some suggest Vaamana and some suggest Taaraa, while > > Pararsara said Shiva. It is important to see the forest first and then > > try to see the trees. Clearly, Parasara's indications in BPHS show > > that the 12th from AK in amsa (D-20) is meant to see the forest (Shiva > > or Vishnu or Gouri or Kartikeya etc). Seeing the specific form of > > Vishnu or Shiva or Gouri etc must be from other modifying factors. I > > will not go into that. But, I want to emphasize that going into trees > > without making sure you are in the right forest is not so wise! > > > > There seem to be corruptions in our current knowledge. Going back to > > Parasara faithfully, thinking logically and simplifying things will be > > helpful in getting more consistent results, in many areas. Unless the > > principles one uses are verified based on reliable data (e.g. charts > > of people who indeed made great spiritual progress by worshipping a > > specific deity), they just remain theoretical and their utility > > questionable. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ Dear Rohinranjan, Yes, my Guruji and Sanjayji often has different opinions on various matters. This comes from my Guruji: * graha arudha shows how other see you and you may be not concious about it * arudha pada shows how you project yourself in the society - which often is seen like that by others in consequence - this is fully concious. These are very shallow definitions and there is much more when it comes to graha arudha and arudha lagna. Graha arudhas are analysed to see Lagna of our friends, enemies and also beside many other things to time the demise. In my example my Lagnesh is Budha in forth house (mithuna lagna) which makes Arudha sitting in forth house (matri bhava) in Kanya. Grahaarudha is in the seventh house with Pisaca yoga (Ma/Ke) in seventh house (vivaha bhava). It means that I project myself as writer and I think I do this in very peaceful way (Budha = ahimsa) but often people criticize me for being too harsh or argumentative which is the quality of Mangal being in graha arudha of Lagnadhipati. This way the karma works. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru -------------- /*Consultations & Pages* http://rohinaa.com rafal starsuponme / rohinicrystal pisze: > > > Hmm... Mr. Gendarz: What you wrote sounds opposite to what PVR wrote > in his Integrated Astrology! > > He described Graha Arudha as being the way the nativity views the > different things, so Graha Arudha of Lagnesh will 'show' or describe > how the nativity sees him/herself, whereas, the arudha of lagna > (house) will show how others perceive the Nativity. > > Maybe, that is what you meant or perhaps with time, the implications > have gotten modified! > > Please clarify. Thanks! > > Rohiniranjan > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafał Gendarz > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > Dear Lalitha, > > > > Just like the arudha of houses are the external manifestation of bhava, > > graha arudha shows the point where the planet will show the > > manifestation. For example graha arudha of lagnesh will show how > other's > > percieve the native, so its like the traces which stays after some > > action is done by the actual Lagnadhipati. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > ------------ -- > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> > > rafal > > starsuponme@ ... / > > > > > > Lalitha Vuppaladadiyam pisze: > > > > > > > > > Aum Namo Bhagavathe Vaasudevaya > > > > > > Poojya Gurujis, > > > > > > Can anybody please explain what is meant by Graha Arudha? > > > > > > Thank you > > > Best Regards > > > lalitha v > > > > > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr > > > <pvr% 40charter. net>> wrote: > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr <pvr% 40charter. net>> > > > [vedic astrology] The 12th from AK and 9th from AK-arudha > > > JyotishWritings > <JyotishWritings%40> > > > <JyotishWrit ings%40grou ps.com>, > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> <vedic- astrology% > 40. com> > > > Cc: > <%40> <JyotishGrou > p%40. com> > > > Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > I sent a writeup titled " On Seeing Deities from the 12th from > > > Karakamsa " with many examples sometime back. I reproduced that > writeup > > > at the end of this email for easy reference. > > > > > > The enclosed critique on that writeup was posted by Pt Rath on > sohamsa > > > list recently and it was forwarded to me by a friend. > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now as > > > > per Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu > > > > becomes AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating > > > > the Ista devata. > > > > > > I clearly wrote (see the article at the end): " In the case of > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. " > > > > > > Pt Rath missed the explicitly stated fact that I also took Rahu as AK > > > and not " another planet other than Rahu " as he *imagined* above. Pt > > > Rath also missed the explicitly stated fact that I count houses > > > anti-zodiacally from Rahu. Pt Rath missed the fact that I do not try > > > to see the trees without seeing the forest first and I do not look > for > > > dasa mahavidyas or dasavatara lists and use the basic list of > Parasara. > > > > > > Given the factual errors in attributing things to me above, it is > > > clear that Pt Rath proceeded to critique my views without reading > them! > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Criticizing someone's view without reading it properly (let alone > > > giving it due consideration! ) and based on one's own > *imagination* of > > > what the other person is saying, demonstrates a *desperation* to > > > criticize. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Sarada Mata's Moon is not in Ge in D-20, but in Ta, if one uses > Lahiri > > > ayanamsa or Jagannatha ayanamsa. > > > > > > Pt Rath said that " Ramakrishna Paramahamsa " is the " ishta devata " of > > > Vivekananda. But my view is that Ramakrishna Paramahamsa is his guru. > > > Many Hindu saints explicitly worship guru with a mantra. But that > does > > > not make guru their " ishta devata " . > > > > > > Vivekananda saw Kaali as a small girl throughout the second half of > > > his life, talked to her as a person and was guided by her. He said he > > > stopped seeing her a few days before leaving his body. If that does > > > not make her his ishta devata, I do not know what will! > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Regarding " Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory " , Parasara explicitly gave the > > > criteria to decide when to use 7 chara karakas and when to use 8 > chara > > > karakas. Both KN Rao group that uses 7 chara karakas always and Pt > > > Rath group that uses 8 chara karakas in human charts always are in > > > violation of Parasara's explicit teaching. > > > > > > Narasimha made an effort to understand and share the understanding > > > (http://vedicastrolo ger.org/articles /c_karaka. pdf). His view > may or > > > may not be perfect, but it is closer to Parasara's teaching. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > Parasara asked to see the deity one worships from the 12th from AK's > > > amsa and NOT what one " esablishes " . Pt Rath is trying to deviate > from > > > Parasara and see everything from the 12th from AK! > > > > > > In my view, dasamsa is the chart for one's activities and > > > accomplishments ( " mahatphalam " is seen in D-10, according to > > > Parasara). AK shows the soul and the *graha arudha* of AK should show > > > how the soul manifests to the world. After all, one's mission or > > > achievement is an attribute of the *manifestation* of one's soul to > > > the world. The 9th house from the graha arudha of AK in D-10 could > > > indicate what the world views as a major mission (dharma/duty) of > > > one's soul. > > > > > > Vivekananda and Sarada Mata had graha arudha of AK in Cn in D-10. The > > > 9th was in Pisces showing establishing Vedanta and other knowledge of > > > rishis. As another example, graha arudha of AK in Aurobindo's D-10 is > > > in Ar. The 9th from there has Sg with Ketu in it, showing > > > establishment of dharma and Vedic knowledge. As another example, > graha > > > arudha of AK in Ramana Maharshi's D-10 is in Sc. The 9th house > > > contains exalted Jupiter and shows teaching sublime Vedic truths. > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati had graha arudha of AK in Li and the > > > 9th again had Jupiter in Ge, showing establishment and lecturing of > > > Vedic knowledge. > > > > > > All these saints have Jupiter involved. As a comparison, see other > > > kinds of charts. Bill Gates has AK Saturn in Cn, his graha arudha in > > > Ar and the 9th has Mercury (knowledge, communications and computing). > > > Adolf Hitler has AK Venus in Sg, his graha arudha in Li and the 9th > > > from it has Sun (power). Composer A.R. Rahman (of Jai ho fame) has AK > > > Sun in Cn, his graha arudha in Ta (empty) and its lord Venus exalted > > > (music and artistic creativity). > > > > > > Thus, the mission and what one achieves and establishes in one's life > > > may be better seen from the 9th from the graha arudha of AK in D-10, > > > than from the 12th house from AK in navamsa or vimsamsa. > > > > > > When we extrapolate things not mentioned by rishis, we need to be > > > intelligent and consistent. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Narasimha Theory #1: Ista devata is to be seen from the Vimsamsa > > > instead of the Navamsa chart > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > The arguments given were the charts of Sri Ramakrishna besides > others - > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > things > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at Dakshineshwar > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > material world). > > > > > > > > Let us examine the Vimsamsa and Navamsa charts > > > > > > > > In both the charts the atmakaraka Rahu is in Capricorn and the 12th > > > house in both the charts is the same with the difference being that > > > the Sun in Sagittarius is in the 12H from Karakamsa in D9 while the > > > 12H from karakamsa in D20 is empty. How does the 12H from karakamsa > > > show Kaali? > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now as per > > > Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu becomes > > > AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating the Ista > devata. > > > > > > > > Understanding Parashara is another cup of tea. > > > > > > > > In Vimsamsa, the *form* of the devata that one loves will come into > > > the picture. Ramakrishna loved Kaali as this is indicated by the > *Moon > > > in Lagna in Aquarius*. This was His upaasita devata (Upasana or > > > penance deity). We can also say that as the Moon (in Aq = Kaali) > joins > > > the 9th Lord, this devata form was associated with a temple. > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ===== > > > > > > > > Sri Sarada Ma > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Sarada Ma, the atmakaraka Moon is in > Sagittarius > > > navamsa. The ista devata is seen in the 12th house Scorpio which is > > > empty and its lord Ketu joins AK Moon. Sri Sarada Ma has said that > she > > > is *Bagala* [this is Her statement]. This is seen from the energy of > > > Scorpio brought by Ketu to the AK Moon. > > > > > > > > However, Mercury also conjoins the AK Moon and the Ista planet Ketu > > > thereby indicating Sodasi (Tripura sundari). Sri Ramakrishna saw Her > > > as Sodasi and also worshipped Her as such. Therefore it is clear that > > > Sri Sarada Ma is a dual manifestation of both Sri Bagalamukhi and Sri > > > Tripurasundari and these are Her ista devata. > > > > > > > > Apply narasimha Theory. The AK Moon is in Gemini Vimsamssa and the > > > 12th house is Taurus indicating the Ista devata as Lakshmi. > Definitely > > > wrong approach. > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > ========= ======== > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > > > > > > > In the chart of Swami Vivekanada, the Atmakaraka Sun is in > > > Sagittarius Navamsa and the 12H from it is Scorpio with Jupiter in it > > > indicating Shiva/Guru as Ista devata. > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda worshipped Thakur with the mantra *om hriiM namo > > > bhagavate raamakrishnaaya* [see the first letters of each line of > > > Ramakrishna stotra, the mantra is hidden in there]. Thakur > ramakrishna > > > was His Ista devata and was Shiva for Him, protector, teacher and > > > everything. > > > > > > > > Applying Narasimha AK Vimsamsa theory, the Sun is in Pisces and 12H > > > is having Rahu and Ketu and giving me arguments like Durga and > ganesha > > > as Ista for Him is not going to work. > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > ========= ====== > > > > > > > > How God/Ista devata helps > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Ramakrishna, the Ista Devata Sun is in > > > Sagittarius navamsa ...both the two souls who made the Ramakrishna > > > Mission happen - Swami Vivekanada and Sarada ma, had AK in > Sagittarius > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > The message that Pt Rath was commenting on > > > http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings/message/ 5 > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Namaste, > > > > > > I mentioned a formula that occurs commonly in the charts of spiritual > > > greats, though it is not that common in regular charts. The long > > > discussion on sohamsa that followed that post ignored the actual > > > formula and its building blocks and focused on other things. I > want to > > > say more on one important building block used in that formula. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > In the chapter called " kaarakaamsa phala " in BPHS, Parasara mentioned > > > the deities worshipped based on the planets in the 12th from > > > kaarakaamsha. For example, Sun in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of > > > Shiva and Moon in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of Gouri. > > > > > > The term " kaarakaamsa " means " AK's amsa " . Amsa only means division. > > > Which amsa or division is Parasara referring to? > > > > > > Though people jumped to the conclusion that amsa means navaamsa by > > > default, there is one more important thing to consider here. At the > > > onset itself, Parasara clarified which amsas (divisions) are used for > > > which purposes. He clearly said " upaasanaayaaH viGYaanaM saadhyaM > > > viMshati bhaagake " , meaning " the knowledge of one's worship and > > > spiritual practices is possible in D-20 " . > > > > > > If, having said that at the onset, he defines which deities are > > > worshipped based on the 12th house from AK in an " amsa " , can the amsa > > > in question be anything other than D-20?! After all, he clearly said > > > one's upaasanaa is seen from D-20. So the principles laid out > later by > > > Parasara for upaasanaa *must* be referring to D-20 by " amsa " and > *not* > > > D-9 as people normally take. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > People faithfully follow tradition and suggest specific ishta devatas > > > to people. However, had some spiritual greats who were liberated by > > > the grace of a deity come to us, we would've probably prescribed a > > > different deity to them. There are several examples and I will > share a > > > few here. > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > things > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at Dakshineshwar > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > material world). > > > > > > Such logic is unreasonable. Bottomline is that Ramakrishna revered > and > > > surrendered to mother Kaali. He saw her in an idol, in a cat, in a > > > flower, in the entire creation and in the light that fills the entire > > > universe. The one who appears scary to several was a beautiful and > > > loving mother to him and She guided his life completely and liberated > > > him. Even before entering nirvikalpa samadhi (a state beyond forms, > > > including the Kaali form), he asked Kaali for permission. That shows > > > what Kaali meant to him! If Jyotish principles you use show Raama or > > > Taaraa as his ishta devata, probably your knowledge is incomplete or > > > incorrect. > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Sg in D-9 and Sc is empty. > > > Mars and Ketu own it. One would've suggested Narasimha or Bagalamukhi > > > for Mars or Matsyavatara or Dhumavati for Ketu. Her life too was > > > guided (and liberated) by mother Kaali. > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Sg. Jupiter is in 12th > > > and Mars owns it. One would've suggested Vaamana or Taaraa for > Jupiter > > > or Narasimha or Bagalamukhi for Mars. Swamiji was into Gayatri mantra > > > and Chandipath. He saw Kaali as a girl and talked to her for most of > > > the second half of his life and derived his energy from her. He > > > remarked in his last few days that the girl Kaali who was around him > > > and giving him energy was no longer visible. If one has saayujya > > > (togetherness) of a deity while living and the deity is constantly > > > guiding one, that definitely must be one's ishta devata. > > > > > > For Ramana Maharshi, 12th from AK Moon contains Ketu in navamsa and > > > Venus owns and aspects 12th. However, he obtained liberation > guided by > > > Shiva at Arunachalam. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > If we cannot see the correct deity in the case of spiritual giants > who > > > succeeded by surrendering to a specific deity, what good are our > > > principles and how well can we guide people? > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > I suggest going back to Parasara and using D-20 instead of D-9. There > > > is one special point when Rahu is AK. > > > > > > Planets have argala on the 3rd, 10th and 12th houses from them. > > > Parasara taught that these houses are counted *anti-zodiacally* when > > > we find the argala of *Rahu and Ketu* on various signs and planets. > > > This makes sense intuitively, as Rahu and Ketu move anti-zodiacally. > > > What Rahu considers as the 1st or 2nd house from him would be > based on > > > his anti-zodiacal movement. If 0-30 deg from the longitude of Mars is > > > 1st house from Mars, 30-60 deg from the longitude of Mars is 2nd > house > > > from Mars and so on, as Parasara taught in BPHS, then 360-330 deg > from > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 1st house from Rahu and 330-300 deg from > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 2nd house from Rahu and so on. Even in > > > the evaluation of chara karakas, Parasara mentioned subtracting > Rahu's > > > progress in sign from 30 deg and that is consistent with this entire > > > philosophy. > > > > > > Thus, I conclude that houses should be reckoned anti-zodiacally from > > > Rahu, if Rahu is AK. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Now, let us revisit previous examples. I am using Jagannatha > ayanamsa. > > > I will stick to Parasara's approach and build on it, rather than use > > > the list of dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. For example, Sun shows > > > Shiva according to Parasara, when influencing the 12th from AK in > amsa > > > (D-20). I will not take Sun to show Rama or Maatangi. Instead of > > > trying to see trees without checking if we are in the right forest, > > > let us first focus on seeing the forest. > > > > > > In the case of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. The > > > 12th house counted anti-zodiacally is Aq, owned by Saturn and Rahu, > > > who are together with Ketu in Cp. As per Parasara, Rahu (and also > > > Saturn sometimes) shows taamasik deities such as Durga ( " taamasIm > > > durgaaM " , said Parasara) and ugra devatas. Out of the deities listed > > > by Parasara, this is the group that Kaali would fall in. > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Ta in D-20. The 12th house > > > is Ar, owned by Mars. Mars is with Saturn in Aq and both aspect Ar. > > > Rahu and Ketu also aspect it. The influence of Aq, Saturn and Rahu is > > > coming again, like in Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Again Kaali is fine. > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Pi in D-20. The 12th > > > from him is Aq containing Rahu and Ketu and Saturn owns it. Again, > the > > > same influence as the above two charts is seen, which makes sense. > > > > > > See, the three of them have the same influences on the 12th from > AK in > > > D-20! > > > > > > Just to contrast, let us take another sishya of Ramakrishna > > > Paramahamsa, who was a Vaishnava. Take Swami Trigunatitananda (1865 > > > Jan 30, 9:26 pm LMT, Naora, India). AK Jupiter is in Cn In D-20. The > > > 12th is Ge and is empty. Only Saturn aspects it from Vi. Mercury owns > > > Ge. The influence of Mercury and Saturn according to Parasara shows a > > > devotee of Vishnu. Swami Trigunatitananda was indeed a Vaishnava. > > > > > > In the case of Srila Prabhupada, AK Rahu is in Sg. The 12th from him > > > reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp. Its lord Saturn is in Gemini owned > > > Mercury and aspected by Mercury. Saturn and Mercury show Vaishnavas. > > > He realized god through his surrender to Krishna, a form of Vishnu. > > > > > > In the case of Tridandi Chinna Jeeyar Swami (in the parampara of > > > Ramanujacharya) , AK Moon is in Cn in D-20. The 12th house Ge is > owned > > > by Mercury and Saturn occupies it. He has realized whatever he has > > > realized so far, through devotion to Vishnu. > > > > > > In the case of Ramana Maharshi, AK Moon is in Aq in D-20. The 12th > > > from him is Cp. It is empty. Jupiter with nodes in a friendly sign > > > aspects it. Parasara emphasized connection with Ketu in his formulas > > > for 12th from AK. So, we will take Jupiter's aspect on Cp to be more > > > important than Saturn's ownership. Jupiter shows Shiva. Ramana > > > Maharshi was devoted to Shiva at Arunachalam and realized Self. > > > > > > In the case of Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, AK Saturn is in Cp in > > > D-20. The 12th from him is owned by Jupiter. He too was devoted to > > > Shiva and realized Self. > > > > > > Take Prof. K.S. Krishnamoorthy (1908 November 1, 12:11 pm IST, > > > Thiruvaiyaru) , the inventer of KP. His AK Rahu is in Sc in D-20. The > > > 12th from it reckoned anti-zodiacally is Sg. Its lord Jupiter is > in Sc > > > with 4 other planets. The strongest influence there is that of Ketu. > > > Moreover, Sg is Ketu's exaltation sign. He was devoted to Ganapathi. > > > > > > Take a person with birthdata 1968 March 19 evening, India. AK Saturn > > > is in Vi in D-20. The 12th lord from him is in a Martian sign. > Mars in > > > moolatrikona is aspecting 12th and 12th lord. His dominating > influence > > > suggests Kartikeya. He indeed practiced a Subrahmanya mantra and had > > > several mystical experiences and making good progress towards > realization. > > > > > > In the case of Swami Ramakrishnananda (disciple of Ramakrishna > > > Paramahamsa) , steadfast devotion to spiritual master was the > > > liberating factor. He constantly served Ramakrishna when he was here > > > and worshipped his relics everyday without fail after he left. > Once he > > > requested Ramakrishna for some spiritual experiences, seeing the > > > experiences and ecstasy of other disciples. When Ramakrishna said, " I > > > can do that. But you will not be able to serve me after that " , he > > > withdrew his request and said he was then not interested in any > > > experiences! He became liberated through complete surrender, perfect > > > devotion and tireless service to his guru. He was born on 1863 > July 13 > > > at 4:56 am LMT at Ichchapur, India. His AK Sun is in Aq in D-20. > There > > > are 3 planets in Cp, but only Jupiter is in the 12th house from Sun, > > > based on Sun's divisional longitude in D-20. > > > > > > In the case of Paramahamsa Yogananda (of kriya yoga and > > > " Self-Realization Fellowship " and author of " Autobiography of a > > > Yogi " ), AK Venus is in Ar in D-20. The 12th from him is owned by > > > Jupiter, who joins nodes. Jupiter can show Shiva, but he can also > show > > > surrender to a great guru, like in the above example. Paramahamsa > > > Yogananda may have worshipped several deities, but his surrender to > > > his guru Yukteshwar Maharaj (whom he met at 17) and guru parampara > > > (from Mahavatar Babaji) is what liberated him. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > You can see that I am sticking to the basic classification instead of > > > using dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. If the 12th from AK in navamsa > > > has Jupiter, some suggest Vaamana and some suggest Taaraa, while > > > Pararsara said Shiva. It is important to see the forest first and > then > > > try to see the trees. Clearly, Parasara's indications in BPHS show > > > that the 12th from AK in amsa (D-20) is meant to see the forest > (Shiva > > > or Vishnu or Gouri or Kartikeya etc). Seeing the specific form of > > > Vishnu or Shiva or Gouri etc must be from other modifying factors. I > > > will not go into that. But, I want to emphasize that going into trees > > > without making sure you are in the right forest is not so wise! > > > > > > There seem to be corruptions in our current knowledge. Going back to > > > Parasara faithfully, thinking logically and simplifying things > will be > > > helpful in getting more consistent results, in many areas. Unless the > > > principles one uses are verified based on reliable data (e.g. charts > > > of people who indeed made great spiritual progress by worshipping a > > > specific deity), they just remain theoretical and their utility > > > questionable. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ Dear Rohinranjan, Small correction to make it clear: Sanjayji and my Guruji has different opinions than PVR Narasimhaji on various matters regarding Jyotish. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru -------------- /*Consultations & Pages* http://rohinaa.com rafal starsuponme / rohinicrystal pisze: > > > Hmm... Mr. Gendarz: What you wrote sounds opposite to what PVR wrote > in his Integrated Astrology! > > He described Graha Arudha as being the way the nativity views the > different things, so Graha Arudha of Lagnesh will 'show' or describe > how the nativity sees him/herself, whereas, the arudha of lagna > (house) will show how others perceive the Nativity. > > Maybe, that is what you meant or perhaps with time, the implications > have gotten modified! > > Please clarify. Thanks! > > Rohiniranjan > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafał Gendarz > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > Dear Lalitha, > > > > Just like the arudha of houses are the external manifestation of bhava, > > graha arudha shows the point where the planet will show the > > manifestation. For example graha arudha of lagnesh will show how > other's > > percieve the native, so its like the traces which stays after some > > action is done by the actual Lagnadhipati. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > ------------ -- > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> > > rafal > > starsuponme@ ... / > > > > > > Lalitha Vuppaladadiyam pisze: > > > > > > > > > Aum Namo Bhagavathe Vaasudevaya > > > > > > Poojya Gurujis, > > > > > > Can anybody please explain what is meant by Graha Arudha? > > > > > > Thank you > > > Best Regards > > > lalitha v > > > > > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr > > > <pvr% 40charter. net>> wrote: > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr <pvr% 40charter. net>> > > > [vedic astrology] The 12th from AK and 9th from AK-arudha > > > JyotishWritings > <JyotishWritings%40> > > > <JyotishWrit ings%40grou ps.com>, > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> <vedic- astrology% > 40. com> > > > Cc: > <%40> <JyotishGrou > p%40. com> > > > Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > I sent a writeup titled " On Seeing Deities from the 12th from > > > Karakamsa " with many examples sometime back. I reproduced that > writeup > > > at the end of this email for easy reference. > > > > > > The enclosed critique on that writeup was posted by Pt Rath on > sohamsa > > > list recently and it was forwarded to me by a friend. > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now as > > > > per Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu > > > > becomes AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating > > > > the Ista devata. > > > > > > I clearly wrote (see the article at the end): " In the case of > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. " > > > > > > Pt Rath missed the explicitly stated fact that I also took Rahu as AK > > > and not " another planet other than Rahu " as he *imagined* above. Pt > > > Rath also missed the explicitly stated fact that I count houses > > > anti-zodiacally from Rahu. Pt Rath missed the fact that I do not try > > > to see the trees without seeing the forest first and I do not look > for > > > dasa mahavidyas or dasavatara lists and use the basic list of > Parasara. > > > > > > Given the factual errors in attributing things to me above, it is > > > clear that Pt Rath proceeded to critique my views without reading > them! > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Criticizing someone's view without reading it properly (let alone > > > giving it due consideration! ) and based on one's own > *imagination* of > > > what the other person is saying, demonstrates a *desperation* to > > > criticize. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Sarada Mata's Moon is not in Ge in D-20, but in Ta, if one uses > Lahiri > > > ayanamsa or Jagannatha ayanamsa. > > > > > > Pt Rath said that " Ramakrishna Paramahamsa " is the " ishta devata " of > > > Vivekananda. But my view is that Ramakrishna Paramahamsa is his guru. > > > Many Hindu saints explicitly worship guru with a mantra. But that > does > > > not make guru their " ishta devata " . > > > > > > Vivekananda saw Kaali as a small girl throughout the second half of > > > his life, talked to her as a person and was guided by her. He said he > > > stopped seeing her a few days before leaving his body. If that does > > > not make her his ishta devata, I do not know what will! > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Regarding " Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory " , Parasara explicitly gave the > > > criteria to decide when to use 7 chara karakas and when to use 8 > chara > > > karakas. Both KN Rao group that uses 7 chara karakas always and Pt > > > Rath group that uses 8 chara karakas in human charts always are in > > > violation of Parasara's explicit teaching. > > > > > > Narasimha made an effort to understand and share the understanding > > > (http://vedicastrolo ger.org/articles /c_karaka. pdf). His view > may or > > > may not be perfect, but it is closer to Parasara's teaching. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > Parasara asked to see the deity one worships from the 12th from AK's > > > amsa and NOT what one " esablishes " . Pt Rath is trying to deviate > from > > > Parasara and see everything from the 12th from AK! > > > > > > In my view, dasamsa is the chart for one's activities and > > > accomplishments ( " mahatphalam " is seen in D-10, according to > > > Parasara). AK shows the soul and the *graha arudha* of AK should show > > > how the soul manifests to the world. After all, one's mission or > > > achievement is an attribute of the *manifestation* of one's soul to > > > the world. The 9th house from the graha arudha of AK in D-10 could > > > indicate what the world views as a major mission (dharma/duty) of > > > one's soul. > > > > > > Vivekananda and Sarada Mata had graha arudha of AK in Cn in D-10. The > > > 9th was in Pisces showing establishing Vedanta and other knowledge of > > > rishis. As another example, graha arudha of AK in Aurobindo's D-10 is > > > in Ar. The 9th from there has Sg with Ketu in it, showing > > > establishment of dharma and Vedic knowledge. As another example, > graha > > > arudha of AK in Ramana Maharshi's D-10 is in Sc. The 9th house > > > contains exalted Jupiter and shows teaching sublime Vedic truths. > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati had graha arudha of AK in Li and the > > > 9th again had Jupiter in Ge, showing establishment and lecturing of > > > Vedic knowledge. > > > > > > All these saints have Jupiter involved. As a comparison, see other > > > kinds of charts. Bill Gates has AK Saturn in Cn, his graha arudha in > > > Ar and the 9th has Mercury (knowledge, communications and computing). > > > Adolf Hitler has AK Venus in Sg, his graha arudha in Li and the 9th > > > from it has Sun (power). Composer A.R. Rahman (of Jai ho fame) has AK > > > Sun in Cn, his graha arudha in Ta (empty) and its lord Venus exalted > > > (music and artistic creativity). > > > > > > Thus, the mission and what one achieves and establishes in one's life > > > may be better seen from the 9th from the graha arudha of AK in D-10, > > > than from the 12th house from AK in navamsa or vimsamsa. > > > > > > When we extrapolate things not mentioned by rishis, we need to be > > > intelligent and consistent. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Narasimha Theory #1: Ista devata is to be seen from the Vimsamsa > > > instead of the Navamsa chart > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > The arguments given were the charts of Sri Ramakrishna besides > others - > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > things > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at Dakshineshwar > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > material world). > > > > > > > > Let us examine the Vimsamsa and Navamsa charts > > > > > > > > In both the charts the atmakaraka Rahu is in Capricorn and the 12th > > > house in both the charts is the same with the difference being that > > > the Sun in Sagittarius is in the 12H from Karakamsa in D9 while the > > > 12H from karakamsa in D20 is empty. How does the 12H from karakamsa > > > show Kaali? > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now as per > > > Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu becomes > > > AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating the Ista > devata. > > > > > > > > Understanding Parashara is another cup of tea. > > > > > > > > In Vimsamsa, the *form* of the devata that one loves will come into > > > the picture. Ramakrishna loved Kaali as this is indicated by the > *Moon > > > in Lagna in Aquarius*. This was His upaasita devata (Upasana or > > > penance deity). We can also say that as the Moon (in Aq = Kaali) > joins > > > the 9th Lord, this devata form was associated with a temple. > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ===== > > > > > > > > Sri Sarada Ma > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Sarada Ma, the atmakaraka Moon is in > Sagittarius > > > navamsa. The ista devata is seen in the 12th house Scorpio which is > > > empty and its lord Ketu joins AK Moon. Sri Sarada Ma has said that > she > > > is *Bagala* [this is Her statement]. This is seen from the energy of > > > Scorpio brought by Ketu to the AK Moon. > > > > > > > > However, Mercury also conjoins the AK Moon and the Ista planet Ketu > > > thereby indicating Sodasi (Tripura sundari). Sri Ramakrishna saw Her > > > as Sodasi and also worshipped Her as such. Therefore it is clear that > > > Sri Sarada Ma is a dual manifestation of both Sri Bagalamukhi and Sri > > > Tripurasundari and these are Her ista devata. > > > > > > > > Apply narasimha Theory. The AK Moon is in Gemini Vimsamssa and the > > > 12th house is Taurus indicating the Ista devata as Lakshmi. > Definitely > > > wrong approach. > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > ========= ======== > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > > > > > > > In the chart of Swami Vivekanada, the Atmakaraka Sun is in > > > Sagittarius Navamsa and the 12H from it is Scorpio with Jupiter in it > > > indicating Shiva/Guru as Ista devata. > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda worshipped Thakur with the mantra *om hriiM namo > > > bhagavate raamakrishnaaya* [see the first letters of each line of > > > Ramakrishna stotra, the mantra is hidden in there]. Thakur > ramakrishna > > > was His Ista devata and was Shiva for Him, protector, teacher and > > > everything. > > > > > > > > Applying Narasimha AK Vimsamsa theory, the Sun is in Pisces and 12H > > > is having Rahu and Ketu and giving me arguments like Durga and > ganesha > > > as Ista for Him is not going to work. > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > ========= ====== > > > > > > > > How God/Ista devata helps > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Ramakrishna, the Ista Devata Sun is in > > > Sagittarius navamsa ...both the two souls who made the Ramakrishna > > > Mission happen - Swami Vivekanada and Sarada ma, had AK in > Sagittarius > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > The message that Pt Rath was commenting on > > > http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings/message/ 5 > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Namaste, > > > > > > I mentioned a formula that occurs commonly in the charts of spiritual > > > greats, though it is not that common in regular charts. The long > > > discussion on sohamsa that followed that post ignored the actual > > > formula and its building blocks and focused on other things. I > want to > > > say more on one important building block used in that formula. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > In the chapter called " kaarakaamsa phala " in BPHS, Parasara mentioned > > > the deities worshipped based on the planets in the 12th from > > > kaarakaamsha. For example, Sun in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of > > > Shiva and Moon in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of Gouri. > > > > > > The term " kaarakaamsa " means " AK's amsa " . Amsa only means division. > > > Which amsa or division is Parasara referring to? > > > > > > Though people jumped to the conclusion that amsa means navaamsa by > > > default, there is one more important thing to consider here. At the > > > onset itself, Parasara clarified which amsas (divisions) are used for > > > which purposes. He clearly said " upaasanaayaaH viGYaanaM saadhyaM > > > viMshati bhaagake " , meaning " the knowledge of one's worship and > > > spiritual practices is possible in D-20 " . > > > > > > If, having said that at the onset, he defines which deities are > > > worshipped based on the 12th house from AK in an " amsa " , can the amsa > > > in question be anything other than D-20?! After all, he clearly said > > > one's upaasanaa is seen from D-20. So the principles laid out > later by > > > Parasara for upaasanaa *must* be referring to D-20 by " amsa " and > *not* > > > D-9 as people normally take. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > People faithfully follow tradition and suggest specific ishta devatas > > > to people. However, had some spiritual greats who were liberated by > > > the grace of a deity come to us, we would've probably prescribed a > > > different deity to them. There are several examples and I will > share a > > > few here. > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > things > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at Dakshineshwar > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > material world). > > > > > > Such logic is unreasonable. Bottomline is that Ramakrishna revered > and > > > surrendered to mother Kaali. He saw her in an idol, in a cat, in a > > > flower, in the entire creation and in the light that fills the entire > > > universe. The one who appears scary to several was a beautiful and > > > loving mother to him and She guided his life completely and liberated > > > him. Even before entering nirvikalpa samadhi (a state beyond forms, > > > including the Kaali form), he asked Kaali for permission. That shows > > > what Kaali meant to him! If Jyotish principles you use show Raama or > > > Taaraa as his ishta devata, probably your knowledge is incomplete or > > > incorrect. > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Sg in D-9 and Sc is empty. > > > Mars and Ketu own it. One would've suggested Narasimha or Bagalamukhi > > > for Mars or Matsyavatara or Dhumavati for Ketu. Her life too was > > > guided (and liberated) by mother Kaali. > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Sg. Jupiter is in 12th > > > and Mars owns it. One would've suggested Vaamana or Taaraa for > Jupiter > > > or Narasimha or Bagalamukhi for Mars. Swamiji was into Gayatri mantra > > > and Chandipath. He saw Kaali as a girl and talked to her for most of > > > the second half of his life and derived his energy from her. He > > > remarked in his last few days that the girl Kaali who was around him > > > and giving him energy was no longer visible. If one has saayujya > > > (togetherness) of a deity while living and the deity is constantly > > > guiding one, that definitely must be one's ishta devata. > > > > > > For Ramana Maharshi, 12th from AK Moon contains Ketu in navamsa and > > > Venus owns and aspects 12th. However, he obtained liberation > guided by > > > Shiva at Arunachalam. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > If we cannot see the correct deity in the case of spiritual giants > who > > > succeeded by surrendering to a specific deity, what good are our > > > principles and how well can we guide people? > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > I suggest going back to Parasara and using D-20 instead of D-9. There > > > is one special point when Rahu is AK. > > > > > > Planets have argala on the 3rd, 10th and 12th houses from them. > > > Parasara taught that these houses are counted *anti-zodiacally* when > > > we find the argala of *Rahu and Ketu* on various signs and planets. > > > This makes sense intuitively, as Rahu and Ketu move anti-zodiacally. > > > What Rahu considers as the 1st or 2nd house from him would be > based on > > > his anti-zodiacal movement. If 0-30 deg from the longitude of Mars is > > > 1st house from Mars, 30-60 deg from the longitude of Mars is 2nd > house > > > from Mars and so on, as Parasara taught in BPHS, then 360-330 deg > from > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 1st house from Rahu and 330-300 deg from > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 2nd house from Rahu and so on. Even in > > > the evaluation of chara karakas, Parasara mentioned subtracting > Rahu's > > > progress in sign from 30 deg and that is consistent with this entire > > > philosophy. > > > > > > Thus, I conclude that houses should be reckoned anti-zodiacally from > > > Rahu, if Rahu is AK. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Now, let us revisit previous examples. I am using Jagannatha > ayanamsa. > > > I will stick to Parasara's approach and build on it, rather than use > > > the list of dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. For example, Sun shows > > > Shiva according to Parasara, when influencing the 12th from AK in > amsa > > > (D-20). I will not take Sun to show Rama or Maatangi. Instead of > > > trying to see trees without checking if we are in the right forest, > > > let us first focus on seeing the forest. > > > > > > In the case of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. The > > > 12th house counted anti-zodiacally is Aq, owned by Saturn and Rahu, > > > who are together with Ketu in Cp. As per Parasara, Rahu (and also > > > Saturn sometimes) shows taamasik deities such as Durga ( " taamasIm > > > durgaaM " , said Parasara) and ugra devatas. Out of the deities listed > > > by Parasara, this is the group that Kaali would fall in. > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Ta in D-20. The 12th house > > > is Ar, owned by Mars. Mars is with Saturn in Aq and both aspect Ar. > > > Rahu and Ketu also aspect it. The influence of Aq, Saturn and Rahu is > > > coming again, like in Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Again Kaali is fine. > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Pi in D-20. The 12th > > > from him is Aq containing Rahu and Ketu and Saturn owns it. Again, > the > > > same influence as the above two charts is seen, which makes sense. > > > > > > See, the three of them have the same influences on the 12th from > AK in > > > D-20! > > > > > > Just to contrast, let us take another sishya of Ramakrishna > > > Paramahamsa, who was a Vaishnava. Take Swami Trigunatitananda (1865 > > > Jan 30, 9:26 pm LMT, Naora, India). AK Jupiter is in Cn In D-20. The > > > 12th is Ge and is empty. Only Saturn aspects it from Vi. Mercury owns > > > Ge. The influence of Mercury and Saturn according to Parasara shows a > > > devotee of Vishnu. Swami Trigunatitananda was indeed a Vaishnava. > > > > > > In the case of Srila Prabhupada, AK Rahu is in Sg. The 12th from him > > > reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp. Its lord Saturn is in Gemini owned > > > Mercury and aspected by Mercury. Saturn and Mercury show Vaishnavas. > > > He realized god through his surrender to Krishna, a form of Vishnu. > > > > > > In the case of Tridandi Chinna Jeeyar Swami (in the parampara of > > > Ramanujacharya) , AK Moon is in Cn in D-20. The 12th house Ge is > owned > > > by Mercury and Saturn occupies it. He has realized whatever he has > > > realized so far, through devotion to Vishnu. > > > > > > In the case of Ramana Maharshi, AK Moon is in Aq in D-20. The 12th > > > from him is Cp. It is empty. Jupiter with nodes in a friendly sign > > > aspects it. Parasara emphasized connection with Ketu in his formulas > > > for 12th from AK. So, we will take Jupiter's aspect on Cp to be more > > > important than Saturn's ownership. Jupiter shows Shiva. Ramana > > > Maharshi was devoted to Shiva at Arunachalam and realized Self. > > > > > > In the case of Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, AK Saturn is in Cp in > > > D-20. The 12th from him is owned by Jupiter. He too was devoted to > > > Shiva and realized Self. > > > > > > Take Prof. K.S. Krishnamoorthy (1908 November 1, 12:11 pm IST, > > > Thiruvaiyaru) , the inventer of KP. His AK Rahu is in Sc in D-20. The > > > 12th from it reckoned anti-zodiacally is Sg. Its lord Jupiter is > in Sc > > > with 4 other planets. The strongest influence there is that of Ketu. > > > Moreover, Sg is Ketu's exaltation sign. He was devoted to Ganapathi. > > > > > > Take a person with birthdata 1968 March 19 evening, India. AK Saturn > > > is in Vi in D-20. The 12th lord from him is in a Martian sign. > Mars in > > > moolatrikona is aspecting 12th and 12th lord. His dominating > influence > > > suggests Kartikeya. He indeed practiced a Subrahmanya mantra and had > > > several mystical experiences and making good progress towards > realization. > > > > > > In the case of Swami Ramakrishnananda (disciple of Ramakrishna > > > Paramahamsa) , steadfast devotion to spiritual master was the > > > liberating factor. He constantly served Ramakrishna when he was here > > > and worshipped his relics everyday without fail after he left. > Once he > > > requested Ramakrishna for some spiritual experiences, seeing the > > > experiences and ecstasy of other disciples. When Ramakrishna said, " I > > > can do that. But you will not be able to serve me after that " , he > > > withdrew his request and said he was then not interested in any > > > experiences! He became liberated through complete surrender, perfect > > > devotion and tireless service to his guru. He was born on 1863 > July 13 > > > at 4:56 am LMT at Ichchapur, India. His AK Sun is in Aq in D-20. > There > > > are 3 planets in Cp, but only Jupiter is in the 12th house from Sun, > > > based on Sun's divisional longitude in D-20. > > > > > > In the case of Paramahamsa Yogananda (of kriya yoga and > > > " Self-Realization Fellowship " and author of " Autobiography of a > > > Yogi " ), AK Venus is in Ar in D-20. The 12th from him is owned by > > > Jupiter, who joins nodes. Jupiter can show Shiva, but he can also > show > > > surrender to a great guru, like in the above example. Paramahamsa > > > Yogananda may have worshipped several deities, but his surrender to > > > his guru Yukteshwar Maharaj (whom he met at 17) and guru parampara > > > (from Mahavatar Babaji) is what liberated him. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > You can see that I am sticking to the basic classification instead of > > > using dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. If the 12th from AK in navamsa > > > has Jupiter, some suggest Vaamana and some suggest Taaraa, while > > > Pararsara said Shiva. It is important to see the forest first and > then > > > try to see the trees. Clearly, Parasara's indications in BPHS show > > > that the 12th from AK in amsa (D-20) is meant to see the forest > (Shiva > > > or Vishnu or Gouri or Kartikeya etc). Seeing the specific form of > > > Vishnu or Shiva or Gouri etc must be from other modifying factors. I > > > will not go into that. But, I want to emphasize that going into trees > > > without making sure you are in the right forest is not so wise! > > > > > > There seem to be corruptions in our current knowledge. Going back to > > > Parasara faithfully, thinking logically and simplifying things > will be > > > helpful in getting more consistent results, in many areas. Unless the > > > principles one uses are verified based on reliable data (e.g. charts > > > of people who indeed made great spiritual progress by worshipping a > > > specific deity), they just remain theoretical and their utility > > > questionable. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 including this specific matter about bhava and griha arudha? Would you be kind enough to present in few words what the 'official' position is about Bhava and Griha arudha and their implication, meaning and expression, as per you, Sanjay jee and your Guruji? I thought Sanjay jee was/is your Guruji! But let us not go there! This matter has created confusion and it would be wonderful if you can lay it to rest in clear and few words! Thanks ;-) RR_, vedic astrology , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > Dear Rohinranjan, > > Small correction to make it clear: Sanjayji and my Guruji has different > opinions than PVR Narasimhaji on various matters regarding Jyotish. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > -------------- > /*Consultations & Pages* > http://rohinaa.com > rafal > starsuponme / > > > rohinicrystal pisze: > > > > > > Hmm... Mr. Gendarz: What you wrote sounds opposite to what PVR wrote > > in his Integrated Astrology! > > > > He described Graha Arudha as being the way the nativity views the > > different things, so Graha Arudha of Lagnesh will 'show' or describe > > how the nativity sees him/herself, whereas, the arudha of lagna > > (house) will show how others perceive the Nativity. > > > > Maybe, that is what you meant or perhaps with time, the implications > > have gotten modified! > > > > Please clarify. Thanks! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > Dear Lalitha, > > > > > > Just like the arudha of houses are the external manifestation of bhava, > > > graha arudha shows the point where the planet will show the > > > manifestation. For example graha arudha of lagnesh will show how > > other's > > > percieve the native, so its like the traces which stays after some > > > action is done by the actual Lagnadhipati. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > ------------ -- > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> > > > rafal@ > > > starsuponme@ ... / > > > > > > > > > Lalitha Vuppaladadiyam pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Namo Bhagavathe Vaasudevaya > > > > > > > > Poojya Gurujis, > > > > > > > > Can anybody please explain what is meant by Graha Arudha? > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > Best Regards > > > > lalitha v > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ > > > > <pvr% 40charter. net>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ <pvr% 40charter. net>> > > > > [vedic astrology] The 12th from AK and 9th from AK-arudha > > > > JyotishWritings > > <JyotishWritings%40> > > > > <JyotishWrit ings%40grou ps.com>, > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40> <vedic- astrology% > > 40. com> > > > > Cc: > > <%40> <JyotishGrou > > p%40. com> > > > > Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > I sent a writeup titled " On Seeing Deities from the 12th from > > > > Karakamsa " with many examples sometime back. I reproduced that > > writeup > > > > at the end of this email for easy reference. > > > > > > > > The enclosed critique on that writeup was posted by Pt Rath on > > sohamsa > > > > list recently and it was forwarded to me by a friend. > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now as > > > > > per Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu > > > > > becomes AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating > > > > > the Ista devata. > > > > > > > > I clearly wrote (see the article at the end): " In the case of > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. " > > > > > > > > Pt Rath missed the explicitly stated fact that I also took Rahu as AK > > > > and not " another planet other than Rahu " as he *imagined* above. Pt > > > > Rath also missed the explicitly stated fact that I count houses > > > > anti-zodiacally from Rahu. Pt Rath missed the fact that I do not try > > > > to see the trees without seeing the forest first and I do not look > > for > > > > dasa mahavidyas or dasavatara lists and use the basic list of > > Parasara. > > > > > > > > Given the factual errors in attributing things to me above, it is > > > > clear that Pt Rath proceeded to critique my views without reading > > them! > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Criticizing someone's view without reading it properly (let alone > > > > giving it due consideration! ) and based on one's own > > *imagination* of > > > > what the other person is saying, demonstrates a *desperation* to > > > > criticize. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Sarada Mata's Moon is not in Ge in D-20, but in Ta, if one uses > > Lahiri > > > > ayanamsa or Jagannatha ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > Pt Rath said that " Ramakrishna Paramahamsa " is the " ishta devata " of > > > > Vivekananda. But my view is that Ramakrishna Paramahamsa is his guru. > > > > Many Hindu saints explicitly worship guru with a mantra. But that > > does > > > > not make guru their " ishta devata " . > > > > > > > > Vivekananda saw Kaali as a small girl throughout the second half of > > > > his life, talked to her as a person and was guided by her. He said he > > > > stopped seeing her a few days before leaving his body. If that does > > > > not make her his ishta devata, I do not know what will! > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Regarding " Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory " , Parasara explicitly gave the > > > > criteria to decide when to use 7 chara karakas and when to use 8 > > chara > > > > karakas. Both KN Rao group that uses 7 chara karakas always and Pt > > > > Rath group that uses 8 chara karakas in human charts always are in > > > > violation of Parasara's explicit teaching. > > > > > > > > Narasimha made an effort to understand and share the understanding > > > > (http://vedicastrolo ger.org/articles /c_karaka. pdf). His view > > may or > > > > may not be perfect, but it is closer to Parasara's teaching. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > > > Parasara asked to see the deity one worships from the 12th from AK's > > > > amsa and NOT what one " esablishes " . Pt Rath is trying to deviate > > from > > > > Parasara and see everything from the 12th from AK! > > > > > > > > In my view, dasamsa is the chart for one's activities and > > > > accomplishments ( " mahatphalam " is seen in D-10, according to > > > > Parasara). AK shows the soul and the *graha arudha* of AK should show > > > > how the soul manifests to the world. After all, one's mission or > > > > achievement is an attribute of the *manifestation* of one's soul to > > > > the world. The 9th house from the graha arudha of AK in D-10 could > > > > indicate what the world views as a major mission (dharma/duty) of > > > > one's soul. > > > > > > > > Vivekananda and Sarada Mata had graha arudha of AK in Cn in D-10. The > > > > 9th was in Pisces showing establishing Vedanta and other knowledge of > > > > rishis. As another example, graha arudha of AK in Aurobindo's D-10 is > > > > in Ar. The 9th from there has Sg with Ketu in it, showing > > > > establishment of dharma and Vedic knowledge. As another example, > > graha > > > > arudha of AK in Ramana Maharshi's D-10 is in Sc. The 9th house > > > > contains exalted Jupiter and shows teaching sublime Vedic truths. > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati had graha arudha of AK in Li and the > > > > 9th again had Jupiter in Ge, showing establishment and lecturing of > > > > Vedic knowledge. > > > > > > > > All these saints have Jupiter involved. As a comparison, see other > > > > kinds of charts. Bill Gates has AK Saturn in Cn, his graha arudha in > > > > Ar and the 9th has Mercury (knowledge, communications and computing). > > > > Adolf Hitler has AK Venus in Sg, his graha arudha in Li and the 9th > > > > from it has Sun (power). Composer A.R. Rahman (of Jai ho fame) has AK > > > > Sun in Cn, his graha arudha in Ta (empty) and its lord Venus exalted > > > > (music and artistic creativity). > > > > > > > > Thus, the mission and what one achieves and establishes in one's life > > > > may be better seen from the 9th from the graha arudha of AK in D-10, > > > > than from the 12th house from AK in navamsa or vimsamsa. > > > > > > > > When we extrapolate things not mentioned by rishis, we need to be > > > > intelligent and consistent. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha Theory #1: Ista devata is to be seen from the Vimsamsa > > > > instead of the Navamsa chart > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > The arguments given were the charts of Sri Ramakrishna besides > > others - > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > > things > > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at Dakshineshwar > > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > > material world). > > > > > > > > > > Let us examine the Vimsamsa and Navamsa charts > > > > > > > > > > In both the charts the atmakaraka Rahu is in Capricorn and the 12th > > > > house in both the charts is the same with the difference being that > > > > the Sun in Sagittarius is in the 12H from Karakamsa in D9 while the > > > > 12H from karakamsa in D20 is empty. How does the 12H from karakamsa > > > > show Kaali? > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now as per > > > > Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu becomes > > > > AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating the Ista > > devata. > > > > > > > > > > Understanding Parashara is another cup of tea. > > > > > > > > > > In Vimsamsa, the *form* of the devata that one loves will come into > > > > the picture. Ramakrishna loved Kaali as this is indicated by the > > *Moon > > > > in Lagna in Aquarius*. This was His upaasita devata (Upasana or > > > > penance deity). We can also say that as the Moon (in Aq = Kaali) > > joins > > > > the 9th Lord, this devata form was associated with a temple. > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ===== > > > > > > > > > > Sri Sarada Ma > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Sarada Ma, the atmakaraka Moon is in > > Sagittarius > > > > navamsa. The ista devata is seen in the 12th house Scorpio which is > > > > empty and its lord Ketu joins AK Moon. Sri Sarada Ma has said that > > she > > > > is *Bagala* [this is Her statement]. This is seen from the energy of > > > > Scorpio brought by Ketu to the AK Moon. > > > > > > > > > > However, Mercury also conjoins the AK Moon and the Ista planet Ketu > > > > thereby indicating Sodasi (Tripura sundari). Sri Ramakrishna saw Her > > > > as Sodasi and also worshipped Her as such. Therefore it is clear that > > > > Sri Sarada Ma is a dual manifestation of both Sri Bagalamukhi and Sri > > > > Tripurasundari and these are Her ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > Apply narasimha Theory. The AK Moon is in Gemini Vimsamssa and the > > > > 12th house is Taurus indicating the Ista devata as Lakshmi. > > Definitely > > > > wrong approach. > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > > ========= ======== > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Swami Vivekanada, the Atmakaraka Sun is in > > > > Sagittarius Navamsa and the 12H from it is Scorpio with Jupiter in it > > > > indicating Shiva/Guru as Ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda worshipped Thakur with the mantra *om hriiM namo > > > > bhagavate raamakrishnaaya* [see the first letters of each line of > > > > Ramakrishna stotra, the mantra is hidden in there]. Thakur > > ramakrishna > > > > was His Ista devata and was Shiva for Him, protector, teacher and > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > Applying Narasimha AK Vimsamsa theory, the Sun is in Pisces and 12H > > > > is having Rahu and Ketu and giving me arguments like Durga and > > ganesha > > > > as Ista for Him is not going to work. > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > > ========= ====== > > > > > > > > > > How God/Ista devata helps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Ramakrishna, the Ista Devata Sun is in > > > > Sagittarius navamsa ...both the two souls who made the Ramakrishna > > > > Mission happen - Swami Vivekanada and Sarada ma, had AK in > > Sagittarius > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > The message that Pt Rath was commenting on > > > > http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings/message/ 5 > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > I mentioned a formula that occurs commonly in the charts of spiritual > > > > greats, though it is not that common in regular charts. The long > > > > discussion on sohamsa that followed that post ignored the actual > > > > formula and its building blocks and focused on other things. I > > want to > > > > say more on one important building block used in that formula. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > In the chapter called " kaarakaamsa phala " in BPHS, Parasara mentioned > > > > the deities worshipped based on the planets in the 12th from > > > > kaarakaamsha. For example, Sun in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of > > > > Shiva and Moon in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of Gouri. > > > > > > > > The term " kaarakaamsa " means " AK's amsa " . Amsa only means division. > > > > Which amsa or division is Parasara referring to? > > > > > > > > Though people jumped to the conclusion that amsa means navaamsa by > > > > default, there is one more important thing to consider here. At the > > > > onset itself, Parasara clarified which amsas (divisions) are used for > > > > which purposes. He clearly said " upaasanaayaaH viGYaanaM saadhyaM > > > > viMshati bhaagake " , meaning " the knowledge of one's worship and > > > > spiritual practices is possible in D-20 " . > > > > > > > > If, having said that at the onset, he defines which deities are > > > > worshipped based on the 12th house from AK in an " amsa " , can the amsa > > > > in question be anything other than D-20?! After all, he clearly said > > > > one's upaasanaa is seen from D-20. So the principles laid out > > later by > > > > Parasara for upaasanaa *must* be referring to D-20 by " amsa " and > > *not* > > > > D-9 as people normally take. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > People faithfully follow tradition and suggest specific ishta devatas > > > > to people. However, had some spiritual greats who were liberated by > > > > the grace of a deity come to us, we would've probably prescribed a > > > > different deity to them. There are several examples and I will > > share a > > > > few here. > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > > things > > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at Dakshineshwar > > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > > material world). > > > > > > > > Such logic is unreasonable. Bottomline is that Ramakrishna revered > > and > > > > surrendered to mother Kaali. He saw her in an idol, in a cat, in a > > > > flower, in the entire creation and in the light that fills the entire > > > > universe. The one who appears scary to several was a beautiful and > > > > loving mother to him and She guided his life completely and liberated > > > > him. Even before entering nirvikalpa samadhi (a state beyond forms, > > > > including the Kaali form), he asked Kaali for permission. That shows > > > > what Kaali meant to him! If Jyotish principles you use show Raama or > > > > Taaraa as his ishta devata, probably your knowledge is incomplete or > > > > incorrect. > > > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Sg in D-9 and Sc is empty. > > > > Mars and Ketu own it. One would've suggested Narasimha or Bagalamukhi > > > > for Mars or Matsyavatara or Dhumavati for Ketu. Her life too was > > > > guided (and liberated) by mother Kaali. > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Sg. Jupiter is in 12th > > > > and Mars owns it. One would've suggested Vaamana or Taaraa for > > Jupiter > > > > or Narasimha or Bagalamukhi for Mars. Swamiji was into Gayatri mantra > > > > and Chandipath. He saw Kaali as a girl and talked to her for most of > > > > the second half of his life and derived his energy from her. He > > > > remarked in his last few days that the girl Kaali who was around him > > > > and giving him energy was no longer visible. If one has saayujya > > > > (togetherness) of a deity while living and the deity is constantly > > > > guiding one, that definitely must be one's ishta devata. > > > > > > > > For Ramana Maharshi, 12th from AK Moon contains Ketu in navamsa and > > > > Venus owns and aspects 12th. However, he obtained liberation > > guided by > > > > Shiva at Arunachalam. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > If we cannot see the correct deity in the case of spiritual giants > > who > > > > succeeded by surrendering to a specific deity, what good are our > > > > principles and how well can we guide people? > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > I suggest going back to Parasara and using D-20 instead of D-9. There > > > > is one special point when Rahu is AK. > > > > > > > > Planets have argala on the 3rd, 10th and 12th houses from them. > > > > Parasara taught that these houses are counted *anti-zodiacally* when > > > > we find the argala of *Rahu and Ketu* on various signs and planets. > > > > This makes sense intuitively, as Rahu and Ketu move anti-zodiacally. > > > > What Rahu considers as the 1st or 2nd house from him would be > > based on > > > > his anti-zodiacal movement. If 0-30 deg from the longitude of Mars is > > > > 1st house from Mars, 30-60 deg from the longitude of Mars is 2nd > > house > > > > from Mars and so on, as Parasara taught in BPHS, then 360-330 deg > > from > > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 1st house from Rahu and 330-300 deg from > > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 2nd house from Rahu and so on. Even in > > > > the evaluation of chara karakas, Parasara mentioned subtracting > > Rahu's > > > > progress in sign from 30 deg and that is consistent with this entire > > > > philosophy. > > > > > > > > Thus, I conclude that houses should be reckoned anti-zodiacally from > > > > Rahu, if Rahu is AK. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Now, let us revisit previous examples. I am using Jagannatha > > ayanamsa. > > > > I will stick to Parasara's approach and build on it, rather than use > > > > the list of dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. For example, Sun shows > > > > Shiva according to Parasara, when influencing the 12th from AK in > > amsa > > > > (D-20). I will not take Sun to show Rama or Maatangi. Instead of > > > > trying to see trees without checking if we are in the right forest, > > > > let us first focus on seeing the forest. > > > > > > > > In the case of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. The > > > > 12th house counted anti-zodiacally is Aq, owned by Saturn and Rahu, > > > > who are together with Ketu in Cp. As per Parasara, Rahu (and also > > > > Saturn sometimes) shows taamasik deities such as Durga ( " taamasIm > > > > durgaaM " , said Parasara) and ugra devatas. Out of the deities listed > > > > by Parasara, this is the group that Kaali would fall in. > > > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Ta in D-20. The 12th house > > > > is Ar, owned by Mars. Mars is with Saturn in Aq and both aspect Ar. > > > > Rahu and Ketu also aspect it. The influence of Aq, Saturn and Rahu is > > > > coming again, like in Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Again Kaali is fine. > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Pi in D-20. The 12th > > > > from him is Aq containing Rahu and Ketu and Saturn owns it. Again, > > the > > > > same influence as the above two charts is seen, which makes sense. > > > > > > > > See, the three of them have the same influences on the 12th from > > AK in > > > > D-20! > > > > > > > > Just to contrast, let us take another sishya of Ramakrishna > > > > Paramahamsa, who was a Vaishnava. Take Swami Trigunatitananda (1865 > > > > Jan 30, 9:26 pm LMT, Naora, India). AK Jupiter is in Cn In D-20. The > > > > 12th is Ge and is empty. Only Saturn aspects it from Vi. Mercury owns > > > > Ge. The influence of Mercury and Saturn according to Parasara shows a > > > > devotee of Vishnu. Swami Trigunatitananda was indeed a Vaishnava. > > > > > > > > In the case of Srila Prabhupada, AK Rahu is in Sg. The 12th from him > > > > reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp. Its lord Saturn is in Gemini owned > > > > Mercury and aspected by Mercury. Saturn and Mercury show Vaishnavas. > > > > He realized god through his surrender to Krishna, a form of Vishnu. > > > > > > > > In the case of Tridandi Chinna Jeeyar Swami (in the parampara of > > > > Ramanujacharya) , AK Moon is in Cn in D-20. The 12th house Ge is > > owned > > > > by Mercury and Saturn occupies it. He has realized whatever he has > > > > realized so far, through devotion to Vishnu. > > > > > > > > In the case of Ramana Maharshi, AK Moon is in Aq in D-20. The 12th > > > > from him is Cp. It is empty. Jupiter with nodes in a friendly sign > > > > aspects it. Parasara emphasized connection with Ketu in his formulas > > > > for 12th from AK. So, we will take Jupiter's aspect on Cp to be more > > > > important than Saturn's ownership. Jupiter shows Shiva. Ramana > > > > Maharshi was devoted to Shiva at Arunachalam and realized Self. > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, AK Saturn is in Cp in > > > > D-20. The 12th from him is owned by Jupiter. He too was devoted to > > > > Shiva and realized Self. > > > > > > > > Take Prof. K.S. Krishnamoorthy (1908 November 1, 12:11 pm IST, > > > > Thiruvaiyaru) , the inventer of KP. His AK Rahu is in Sc in D-20. The > > > > 12th from it reckoned anti-zodiacally is Sg. Its lord Jupiter is > > in Sc > > > > with 4 other planets. The strongest influence there is that of Ketu. > > > > Moreover, Sg is Ketu's exaltation sign. He was devoted to Ganapathi. > > > > > > > > Take a person with birthdata 1968 March 19 evening, India. AK Saturn > > > > is in Vi in D-20. The 12th lord from him is in a Martian sign. > > Mars in > > > > moolatrikona is aspecting 12th and 12th lord. His dominating > > influence > > > > suggests Kartikeya. He indeed practiced a Subrahmanya mantra and had > > > > several mystical experiences and making good progress towards > > realization. > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Ramakrishnananda (disciple of Ramakrishna > > > > Paramahamsa) , steadfast devotion to spiritual master was the > > > > liberating factor. He constantly served Ramakrishna when he was here > > > > and worshipped his relics everyday without fail after he left. > > Once he > > > > requested Ramakrishna for some spiritual experiences, seeing the > > > > experiences and ecstasy of other disciples. When Ramakrishna said, " I > > > > can do that. But you will not be able to serve me after that " , he > > > > withdrew his request and said he was then not interested in any > > > > experiences! He became liberated through complete surrender, perfect > > > > devotion and tireless service to his guru. He was born on 1863 > > July 13 > > > > at 4:56 am LMT at Ichchapur, India. His AK Sun is in Aq in D-20. > > There > > > > are 3 planets in Cp, but only Jupiter is in the 12th house from Sun, > > > > based on Sun's divisional longitude in D-20. > > > > > > > > In the case of Paramahamsa Yogananda (of kriya yoga and > > > > " Self-Realization Fellowship " and author of " Autobiography of a > > > > Yogi " ), AK Venus is in Ar in D-20. The 12th from him is owned by > > > > Jupiter, who joins nodes. Jupiter can show Shiva, but he can also > > show > > > > surrender to a great guru, like in the above example. Paramahamsa > > > > Yogananda may have worshipped several deities, but his surrender to > > > > his guru Yukteshwar Maharaj (whom he met at 17) and guru parampara > > > > (from Mahavatar Babaji) is what liberated him. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > You can see that I am sticking to the basic classification instead of > > > > using dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. If the 12th from AK in navamsa > > > > has Jupiter, some suggest Vaamana and some suggest Taaraa, while > > > > Pararsara said Shiva. It is important to see the forest first and > > then > > > > try to see the trees. Clearly, Parasara's indications in BPHS show > > > > that the 12th from AK in amsa (D-20) is meant to see the forest > > (Shiva > > > > or Vishnu or Gouri or Kartikeya etc). Seeing the specific form of > > > > Vishnu or Shiva or Gouri etc must be from other modifying factors. I > > > > will not go into that. But, I want to emphasize that going into trees > > > > without making sure you are in the right forest is not so wise! > > > > > > > > There seem to be corruptions in our current knowledge. Going back to > > > > Parasara faithfully, thinking logically and simplifying things > > will be > > > > helpful in getting more consistent results, in many areas. Unless the > > > > principles one uses are verified based on reliable data (e.g. charts > > > > of people who indeed made great spiritual progress by worshipping a > > > > specific deity), they just remain theoretical and their utility > > > > questionable. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 Very interesting indeed, Mr. Gendarz! Could I impose upon your valuable time and request you to explain that using Hitler's chart? Thanks in advance for your kindness! RR_, vedic astrology , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > Dear Rohinranjan, > > Yes, my Guruji and Sanjayji often has different opinions on various > matters. > > This comes from my Guruji: > > * graha arudha shows how other see you and you may be not concious > about it > * arudha pada shows how you project yourself in the society - which > often is seen like that by others in consequence - this is fully > concious. > > These are very shallow definitions and there is much more when it comes > to graha arudha and arudha lagna. Graha arudhas are analysed to see > Lagna of our friends, enemies and also beside many other things to time > the demise. > > In my example my Lagnesh is Budha in forth house (mithuna lagna) which > makes Arudha sitting in forth house (matri bhava) in Kanya. Grahaarudha > is in the seventh house with Pisaca yoga (Ma/Ke) in seventh house > (vivaha bhava). > > It means that I project myself as writer and I think I do this in very > peaceful way (Budha = ahimsa) but often people criticize me for being > too harsh or argumentative which is the quality of Mangal being in graha > arudha of Lagnadhipati. > > This way the karma works. > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > -------------- > /*Consultations & Pages* > http://rohinaa.com > rafal > starsuponme / > > > rohinicrystal pisze: > > > > > > Hmm... Mr. Gendarz: What you wrote sounds opposite to what PVR wrote > > in his Integrated Astrology! > > > > He described Graha Arudha as being the way the nativity views the > > different things, so Graha Arudha of Lagnesh will 'show' or describe > > how the nativity sees him/herself, whereas, the arudha of lagna > > (house) will show how others perceive the Nativity. > > > > Maybe, that is what you meant or perhaps with time, the implications > > have gotten modified! > > > > Please clarify. Thanks! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > Dear Lalitha, > > > > > > Just like the arudha of houses are the external manifestation of bhava, > > > graha arudha shows the point where the planet will show the > > > manifestation. For example graha arudha of lagnesh will show how > > other's > > > percieve the native, so its like the traces which stays after some > > > action is done by the actual Lagnadhipati. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > ------------ -- > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> > > > rafal@ > > > starsuponme@ ... / > > > > > > > > > Lalitha Vuppaladadiyam pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Namo Bhagavathe Vaasudevaya > > > > > > > > Poojya Gurujis, > > > > > > > > Can anybody please explain what is meant by Graha Arudha? > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > Best Regards > > > > lalitha v > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ > > > > <pvr% 40charter. net>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ <pvr% 40charter. net>> > > > > [vedic astrology] The 12th from AK and 9th from AK-arudha > > > > JyotishWritings > > <JyotishWritings%40> > > > > <JyotishWrit ings%40grou ps.com>, > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40> <vedic- astrology% > > 40. com> > > > > Cc: > > <%40> <JyotishGrou > > p%40. com> > > > > Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > I sent a writeup titled " On Seeing Deities from the 12th from > > > > Karakamsa " with many examples sometime back. I reproduced that > > writeup > > > > at the end of this email for easy reference. > > > > > > > > The enclosed critique on that writeup was posted by Pt Rath on > > sohamsa > > > > list recently and it was forwarded to me by a friend. > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now as > > > > > per Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu > > > > > becomes AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating > > > > > the Ista devata. > > > > > > > > I clearly wrote (see the article at the end): " In the case of > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. " > > > > > > > > Pt Rath missed the explicitly stated fact that I also took Rahu as AK > > > > and not " another planet other than Rahu " as he *imagined* above. Pt > > > > Rath also missed the explicitly stated fact that I count houses > > > > anti-zodiacally from Rahu. Pt Rath missed the fact that I do not try > > > > to see the trees without seeing the forest first and I do not look > > for > > > > dasa mahavidyas or dasavatara lists and use the basic list of > > Parasara. > > > > > > > > Given the factual errors in attributing things to me above, it is > > > > clear that Pt Rath proceeded to critique my views without reading > > them! > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Criticizing someone's view without reading it properly (let alone > > > > giving it due consideration! ) and based on one's own > > *imagination* of > > > > what the other person is saying, demonstrates a *desperation* to > > > > criticize. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Sarada Mata's Moon is not in Ge in D-20, but in Ta, if one uses > > Lahiri > > > > ayanamsa or Jagannatha ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > Pt Rath said that " Ramakrishna Paramahamsa " is the " ishta devata " of > > > > Vivekananda. But my view is that Ramakrishna Paramahamsa is his guru. > > > > Many Hindu saints explicitly worship guru with a mantra. But that > > does > > > > not make guru their " ishta devata " . > > > > > > > > Vivekananda saw Kaali as a small girl throughout the second half of > > > > his life, talked to her as a person and was guided by her. He said he > > > > stopped seeing her a few days before leaving his body. If that does > > > > not make her his ishta devata, I do not know what will! > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Regarding " Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory " , Parasara explicitly gave the > > > > criteria to decide when to use 7 chara karakas and when to use 8 > > chara > > > > karakas. Both KN Rao group that uses 7 chara karakas always and Pt > > > > Rath group that uses 8 chara karakas in human charts always are in > > > > violation of Parasara's explicit teaching. > > > > > > > > Narasimha made an effort to understand and share the understanding > > > > (http://vedicastrolo ger.org/articles /c_karaka. pdf). His view > > may or > > > > may not be perfect, but it is closer to Parasara's teaching. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > > > Parasara asked to see the deity one worships from the 12th from AK's > > > > amsa and NOT what one " esablishes " . Pt Rath is trying to deviate > > from > > > > Parasara and see everything from the 12th from AK! > > > > > > > > In my view, dasamsa is the chart for one's activities and > > > > accomplishments ( " mahatphalam " is seen in D-10, according to > > > > Parasara). AK shows the soul and the *graha arudha* of AK should show > > > > how the soul manifests to the world. After all, one's mission or > > > > achievement is an attribute of the *manifestation* of one's soul to > > > > the world. The 9th house from the graha arudha of AK in D-10 could > > > > indicate what the world views as a major mission (dharma/duty) of > > > > one's soul. > > > > > > > > Vivekananda and Sarada Mata had graha arudha of AK in Cn in D-10. The > > > > 9th was in Pisces showing establishing Vedanta and other knowledge of > > > > rishis. As another example, graha arudha of AK in Aurobindo's D-10 is > > > > in Ar. The 9th from there has Sg with Ketu in it, showing > > > > establishment of dharma and Vedic knowledge. As another example, > > graha > > > > arudha of AK in Ramana Maharshi's D-10 is in Sc. The 9th house > > > > contains exalted Jupiter and shows teaching sublime Vedic truths. > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati had graha arudha of AK in Li and the > > > > 9th again had Jupiter in Ge, showing establishment and lecturing of > > > > Vedic knowledge. > > > > > > > > All these saints have Jupiter involved. As a comparison, see other > > > > kinds of charts. Bill Gates has AK Saturn in Cn, his graha arudha in > > > > Ar and the 9th has Mercury (knowledge, communications and computing). > > > > Adolf Hitler has AK Venus in Sg, his graha arudha in Li and the 9th > > > > from it has Sun (power). Composer A.R. Rahman (of Jai ho fame) has AK > > > > Sun in Cn, his graha arudha in Ta (empty) and its lord Venus exalted > > > > (music and artistic creativity). > > > > > > > > Thus, the mission and what one achieves and establishes in one's life > > > > may be better seen from the 9th from the graha arudha of AK in D-10, > > > > than from the 12th house from AK in navamsa or vimsamsa. > > > > > > > > When we extrapolate things not mentioned by rishis, we need to be > > > > intelligent and consistent. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha Theory #1: Ista devata is to be seen from the Vimsamsa > > > > instead of the Navamsa chart > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > The arguments given were the charts of Sri Ramakrishna besides > > others - > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > > things > > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at Dakshineshwar > > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > > material world). > > > > > > > > > > Let us examine the Vimsamsa and Navamsa charts > > > > > > > > > > In both the charts the atmakaraka Rahu is in Capricorn and the 12th > > > > house in both the charts is the same with the difference being that > > > > the Sun in Sagittarius is in the 12H from Karakamsa in D9 while the > > > > 12H from karakamsa in D20 is empty. How does the 12H from karakamsa > > > > show Kaali? > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now as per > > > > Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu becomes > > > > AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating the Ista > > devata. > > > > > > > > > > Understanding Parashara is another cup of tea. > > > > > > > > > > In Vimsamsa, the *form* of the devata that one loves will come into > > > > the picture. Ramakrishna loved Kaali as this is indicated by the > > *Moon > > > > in Lagna in Aquarius*. This was His upaasita devata (Upasana or > > > > penance deity). We can also say that as the Moon (in Aq = Kaali) > > joins > > > > the 9th Lord, this devata form was associated with a temple. > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ===== > > > > > > > > > > Sri Sarada Ma > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Sarada Ma, the atmakaraka Moon is in > > Sagittarius > > > > navamsa. The ista devata is seen in the 12th house Scorpio which is > > > > empty and its lord Ketu joins AK Moon. Sri Sarada Ma has said that > > she > > > > is *Bagala* [this is Her statement]. This is seen from the energy of > > > > Scorpio brought by Ketu to the AK Moon. > > > > > > > > > > However, Mercury also conjoins the AK Moon and the Ista planet Ketu > > > > thereby indicating Sodasi (Tripura sundari). Sri Ramakrishna saw Her > > > > as Sodasi and also worshipped Her as such. Therefore it is clear that > > > > Sri Sarada Ma is a dual manifestation of both Sri Bagalamukhi and Sri > > > > Tripurasundari and these are Her ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > Apply narasimha Theory. The AK Moon is in Gemini Vimsamssa and the > > > > 12th house is Taurus indicating the Ista devata as Lakshmi. > > Definitely > > > > wrong approach. > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > > ========= ======== > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Swami Vivekanada, the Atmakaraka Sun is in > > > > Sagittarius Navamsa and the 12H from it is Scorpio with Jupiter in it > > > > indicating Shiva/Guru as Ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda worshipped Thakur with the mantra *om hriiM namo > > > > bhagavate raamakrishnaaya* [see the first letters of each line of > > > > Ramakrishna stotra, the mantra is hidden in there]. Thakur > > ramakrishna > > > > was His Ista devata and was Shiva for Him, protector, teacher and > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > Applying Narasimha AK Vimsamsa theory, the Sun is in Pisces and 12H > > > > is having Rahu and Ketu and giving me arguments like Durga and > > ganesha > > > > as Ista for Him is not going to work. > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > > ========= ====== > > > > > > > > > > How God/Ista devata helps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Ramakrishna, the Ista Devata Sun is in > > > > Sagittarius navamsa ...both the two souls who made the Ramakrishna > > > > Mission happen - Swami Vivekanada and Sarada ma, had AK in > > Sagittarius > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > The message that Pt Rath was commenting on > > > > http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings/message/ 5 > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > I mentioned a formula that occurs commonly in the charts of spiritual > > > > greats, though it is not that common in regular charts. The long > > > > discussion on sohamsa that followed that post ignored the actual > > > > formula and its building blocks and focused on other things. I > > want to > > > > say more on one important building block used in that formula. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > In the chapter called " kaarakaamsa phala " in BPHS, Parasara mentioned > > > > the deities worshipped based on the planets in the 12th from > > > > kaarakaamsha. For example, Sun in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of > > > > Shiva and Moon in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of Gouri. > > > > > > > > The term " kaarakaamsa " means " AK's amsa " . Amsa only means division. > > > > Which amsa or division is Parasara referring to? > > > > > > > > Though people jumped to the conclusion that amsa means navaamsa by > > > > default, there is one more important thing to consider here. At the > > > > onset itself, Parasara clarified which amsas (divisions) are used for > > > > which purposes. He clearly said " upaasanaayaaH viGYaanaM saadhyaM > > > > viMshati bhaagake " , meaning " the knowledge of one's worship and > > > > spiritual practices is possible in D-20 " . > > > > > > > > If, having said that at the onset, he defines which deities are > > > > worshipped based on the 12th house from AK in an " amsa " , can the amsa > > > > in question be anything other than D-20?! After all, he clearly said > > > > one's upaasanaa is seen from D-20. So the principles laid out > > later by > > > > Parasara for upaasanaa *must* be referring to D-20 by " amsa " and > > *not* > > > > D-9 as people normally take. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > People faithfully follow tradition and suggest specific ishta devatas > > > > to people. However, had some spiritual greats who were liberated by > > > > the grace of a deity come to us, we would've probably prescribed a > > > > different deity to them. There are several examples and I will > > share a > > > > few here. > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > > things > > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at Dakshineshwar > > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > > material world). > > > > > > > > Such logic is unreasonable. Bottomline is that Ramakrishna revered > > and > > > > surrendered to mother Kaali. He saw her in an idol, in a cat, in a > > > > flower, in the entire creation and in the light that fills the entire > > > > universe. The one who appears scary to several was a beautiful and > > > > loving mother to him and She guided his life completely and liberated > > > > him. Even before entering nirvikalpa samadhi (a state beyond forms, > > > > including the Kaali form), he asked Kaali for permission. That shows > > > > what Kaali meant to him! If Jyotish principles you use show Raama or > > > > Taaraa as his ishta devata, probably your knowledge is incomplete or > > > > incorrect. > > > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Sg in D-9 and Sc is empty. > > > > Mars and Ketu own it. One would've suggested Narasimha or Bagalamukhi > > > > for Mars or Matsyavatara or Dhumavati for Ketu. Her life too was > > > > guided (and liberated) by mother Kaali. > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Sg. Jupiter is in 12th > > > > and Mars owns it. One would've suggested Vaamana or Taaraa for > > Jupiter > > > > or Narasimha or Bagalamukhi for Mars. Swamiji was into Gayatri mantra > > > > and Chandipath. He saw Kaali as a girl and talked to her for most of > > > > the second half of his life and derived his energy from her. He > > > > remarked in his last few days that the girl Kaali who was around him > > > > and giving him energy was no longer visible. If one has saayujya > > > > (togetherness) of a deity while living and the deity is constantly > > > > guiding one, that definitely must be one's ishta devata. > > > > > > > > For Ramana Maharshi, 12th from AK Moon contains Ketu in navamsa and > > > > Venus owns and aspects 12th. However, he obtained liberation > > guided by > > > > Shiva at Arunachalam. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > If we cannot see the correct deity in the case of spiritual giants > > who > > > > succeeded by surrendering to a specific deity, what good are our > > > > principles and how well can we guide people? > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > I suggest going back to Parasara and using D-20 instead of D-9. There > > > > is one special point when Rahu is AK. > > > > > > > > Planets have argala on the 3rd, 10th and 12th houses from them. > > > > Parasara taught that these houses are counted *anti-zodiacally* when > > > > we find the argala of *Rahu and Ketu* on various signs and planets. > > > > This makes sense intuitively, as Rahu and Ketu move anti-zodiacally. > > > > What Rahu considers as the 1st or 2nd house from him would be > > based on > > > > his anti-zodiacal movement. If 0-30 deg from the longitude of Mars is > > > > 1st house from Mars, 30-60 deg from the longitude of Mars is 2nd > > house > > > > from Mars and so on, as Parasara taught in BPHS, then 360-330 deg > > from > > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 1st house from Rahu and 330-300 deg from > > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 2nd house from Rahu and so on. Even in > > > > the evaluation of chara karakas, Parasara mentioned subtracting > > Rahu's > > > > progress in sign from 30 deg and that is consistent with this entire > > > > philosophy. > > > > > > > > Thus, I conclude that houses should be reckoned anti-zodiacally from > > > > Rahu, if Rahu is AK. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Now, let us revisit previous examples. I am using Jagannatha > > ayanamsa. > > > > I will stick to Parasara's approach and build on it, rather than use > > > > the list of dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. For example, Sun shows > > > > Shiva according to Parasara, when influencing the 12th from AK in > > amsa > > > > (D-20). I will not take Sun to show Rama or Maatangi. Instead of > > > > trying to see trees without checking if we are in the right forest, > > > > let us first focus on seeing the forest. > > > > > > > > In the case of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. The > > > > 12th house counted anti-zodiacally is Aq, owned by Saturn and Rahu, > > > > who are together with Ketu in Cp. As per Parasara, Rahu (and also > > > > Saturn sometimes) shows taamasik deities such as Durga ( " taamasIm > > > > durgaaM " , said Parasara) and ugra devatas. Out of the deities listed > > > > by Parasara, this is the group that Kaali would fall in. > > > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Ta in D-20. The 12th house > > > > is Ar, owned by Mars. Mars is with Saturn in Aq and both aspect Ar. > > > > Rahu and Ketu also aspect it. The influence of Aq, Saturn and Rahu is > > > > coming again, like in Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Again Kaali is fine. > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Pi in D-20. The 12th > > > > from him is Aq containing Rahu and Ketu and Saturn owns it. Again, > > the > > > > same influence as the above two charts is seen, which makes sense. > > > > > > > > See, the three of them have the same influences on the 12th from > > AK in > > > > D-20! > > > > > > > > Just to contrast, let us take another sishya of Ramakrishna > > > > Paramahamsa, who was a Vaishnava. Take Swami Trigunatitananda (1865 > > > > Jan 30, 9:26 pm LMT, Naora, India). AK Jupiter is in Cn In D-20. The > > > > 12th is Ge and is empty. Only Saturn aspects it from Vi. Mercury owns > > > > Ge. The influence of Mercury and Saturn according to Parasara shows a > > > > devotee of Vishnu. Swami Trigunatitananda was indeed a Vaishnava. > > > > > > > > In the case of Srila Prabhupada, AK Rahu is in Sg. The 12th from him > > > > reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp. Its lord Saturn is in Gemini owned > > > > Mercury and aspected by Mercury. Saturn and Mercury show Vaishnavas. > > > > He realized god through his surrender to Krishna, a form of Vishnu. > > > > > > > > In the case of Tridandi Chinna Jeeyar Swami (in the parampara of > > > > Ramanujacharya) , AK Moon is in Cn in D-20. The 12th house Ge is > > owned > > > > by Mercury and Saturn occupies it. He has realized whatever he has > > > > realized so far, through devotion to Vishnu. > > > > > > > > In the case of Ramana Maharshi, AK Moon is in Aq in D-20. The 12th > > > > from him is Cp. It is empty. Jupiter with nodes in a friendly sign > > > > aspects it. Parasara emphasized connection with Ketu in his formulas > > > > for 12th from AK. So, we will take Jupiter's aspect on Cp to be more > > > > important than Saturn's ownership. Jupiter shows Shiva. Ramana > > > > Maharshi was devoted to Shiva at Arunachalam and realized Self. > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, AK Saturn is in Cp in > > > > D-20. The 12th from him is owned by Jupiter. He too was devoted to > > > > Shiva and realized Self. > > > > > > > > Take Prof. K.S. Krishnamoorthy (1908 November 1, 12:11 pm IST, > > > > Thiruvaiyaru) , the inventer of KP. His AK Rahu is in Sc in D-20. The > > > > 12th from it reckoned anti-zodiacally is Sg. Its lord Jupiter is > > in Sc > > > > with 4 other planets. The strongest influence there is that of Ketu. > > > > Moreover, Sg is Ketu's exaltation sign. He was devoted to Ganapathi. > > > > > > > > Take a person with birthdata 1968 March 19 evening, India. AK Saturn > > > > is in Vi in D-20. The 12th lord from him is in a Martian sign. > > Mars in > > > > moolatrikona is aspecting 12th and 12th lord. His dominating > > influence > > > > suggests Kartikeya. He indeed practiced a Subrahmanya mantra and had > > > > several mystical experiences and making good progress towards > > realization. > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Ramakrishnananda (disciple of Ramakrishna > > > > Paramahamsa) , steadfast devotion to spiritual master was the > > > > liberating factor. He constantly served Ramakrishna when he was here > > > > and worshipped his relics everyday without fail after he left. > > Once he > > > > requested Ramakrishna for some spiritual experiences, seeing the > > > > experiences and ecstasy of other disciples. When Ramakrishna said, " I > > > > can do that. But you will not be able to serve me after that " , he > > > > withdrew his request and said he was then not interested in any > > > > experiences! He became liberated through complete surrender, perfect > > > > devotion and tireless service to his guru. He was born on 1863 > > July 13 > > > > at 4:56 am LMT at Ichchapur, India. His AK Sun is in Aq in D-20. > > There > > > > are 3 planets in Cp, but only Jupiter is in the 12th house from Sun, > > > > based on Sun's divisional longitude in D-20. > > > > > > > > In the case of Paramahamsa Yogananda (of kriya yoga and > > > > " Self-Realization Fellowship " and author of " Autobiography of a > > > > Yogi " ), AK Venus is in Ar in D-20. The 12th from him is owned by > > > > Jupiter, who joins nodes. Jupiter can show Shiva, but he can also > > show > > > > surrender to a great guru, like in the above example. Paramahamsa > > > > Yogananda may have worshipped several deities, but his surrender to > > > > his guru Yukteshwar Maharaj (whom he met at 17) and guru parampara > > > > (from Mahavatar Babaji) is what liberated him. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > You can see that I am sticking to the basic classification instead of > > > > using dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. If the 12th from AK in navamsa > > > > has Jupiter, some suggest Vaamana and some suggest Taaraa, while > > > > Pararsara said Shiva. It is important to see the forest first and > > then > > > > try to see the trees. Clearly, Parasara's indications in BPHS show > > > > that the 12th from AK in amsa (D-20) is meant to see the forest > > (Shiva > > > > or Vishnu or Gouri or Kartikeya etc). Seeing the specific form of > > > > Vishnu or Shiva or Gouri etc must be from other modifying factors. I > > > > will not go into that. But, I want to emphasize that going into trees > > > > without making sure you are in the right forest is not so wise! > > > > > > > > There seem to be corruptions in our current knowledge. Going back to > > > > Parasara faithfully, thinking logically and simplifying things > > will be > > > > helpful in getting more consistent results, in many areas. Unless the > > > > principles one uses are verified based on reliable data (e.g. charts > > > > of people who indeed made great spiritual progress by worshipping a > > > > specific deity), they just remain theoretical and their utility > > > > questionable. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ Dear Rohinranjan, My Guruji doesnt disagree with Sanjayji. I have clarified it in the 2nd mail. In Hitler's chart both Arudha and Grahaarudha will be influenced most by Suryaputr which in Cancer/Tenth bhava gives Rajayoga of high order. This gives the image of Indra, which can be spoiled due to Shani being enemy of Moon (popularity). Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru -------------- /*Consultations & Pages* http://rohinaa.com rafal starsuponme / rohinicrystal pisze: > > > Very interesting indeed, Mr. Gendarz! > > Could I impose upon your valuable time and request you to explain that > using Hitler's chart? > > Thanks in advance for your kindness! > > RR_, > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafał Gendarz > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > Dear Rohinranjan, > > > > Yes, my Guruji and Sanjayji often has different opinions on various > > matters. > > > > This comes from my Guruji: > > > > * graha arudha shows how other see you and you may be not concious > > about it > > * arudha pada shows how you project yourself in the society - which > > often is seen like that by others in consequence - this is fully > > concious. > > > > These are very shallow definitions and there is much more when it comes > > to graha arudha and arudha lagna. Graha arudhas are analysed to see > > Lagna of our friends, enemies and also beside many other things to time > > the demise. > > > > In my example my Lagnesh is Budha in forth house (mithuna lagna) which > > makes Arudha sitting in forth house (matri bhava) in Kanya. Grahaarudha > > is in the seventh house with Pisaca yoga (Ma/Ke) in seventh house > > (vivaha bhava). > > > > It means that I project myself as writer and I think I do this in very > > peaceful way (Budha = ahimsa) but often people criticize me for being > > too harsh or argumentative which is the quality of Mangal being in > graha > > arudha of Lagnadhipati. > > > > This way the karma works. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > ------------ -- > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> > > rafal > > starsuponme@ ... / > > > > > > rohinicrystal pisze: > > > > > > > > > Hmm... Mr. Gendarz: What you wrote sounds opposite to what PVR wrote > > > in his Integrated Astrology! > > > > > > He described Graha Arudha as being the way the nativity views the > > > different things, so Graha Arudha of Lagnesh will 'show' or describe > > > how the nativity sees him/herself, whereas, the arudha of lagna > > > (house) will show how others perceive the Nativity. > > > > > > Maybe, that is what you meant or perhaps with time, the implications > > > have gotten modified! > > > > > > Please clarify. Thanks! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > Dear Lalitha, > > > > > > > > Just like the arudha of houses are the external manifestation of > bhava, > > > > graha arudha shows the point where the planet will show the > > > > manifestation. For example graha arudha of lagnesh will show how > > > other's > > > > percieve the native, so its like the traces which stays after some > > > > action is done by the actual Lagnadhipati. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > ------------ -- > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com>> > > > > rafal@ > > > > starsuponme@ ... / > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalitha Vuppaladadiyam pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Namo Bhagavathe Vaasudevaya > > > > > > > > > > Poojya Gurujis, > > > > > > > > > > Can anybody please explain what is meant by Graha Arudha? > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > lalitha v > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ > > > > > <pvr% 40charter. net>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ <pvr% 40charter. net>> > > > > > [vedic astrology] The 12th from AK and 9th from AK-arudha > > > > > JyotishWritings > > > <JyotishWrit ings%40grou ps.com> > > > > > <JyotishWrit ings%40grou ps.com>, > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com> <vedic- > astrology% > > > 40. com> > > > > > Cc: > > > <JyotishGrou p%40. com> <JyotishGrou > > > p%40. com> > > > > > Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > I sent a writeup titled " On Seeing Deities from the 12th from > > > > > Karakamsa " with many examples sometime back. I reproduced that > > > writeup > > > > > at the end of this email for easy reference. > > > > > > > > > > The enclosed critique on that writeup was posted by Pt Rath on > > > sohamsa > > > > > list recently and it was forwarded to me by a friend. > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > > > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. > Now as > > > > > > per Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu > > > > > > becomes AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon > indicating > > > > > > the Ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > I clearly wrote (see the article at the end): " In the case of > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. " > > > > > > > > > > Pt Rath missed the explicitly stated fact that I also took > Rahu as AK > > > > > and not " another planet other than Rahu " as he *imagined* > above. Pt > > > > > Rath also missed the explicitly stated fact that I count houses > > > > > anti-zodiacally from Rahu. Pt Rath missed the fact that I do > not try > > > > > to see the trees without seeing the forest first and I do not > look > > > for > > > > > dasa mahavidyas or dasavatara lists and use the basic list of > > > Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > Given the factual errors in attributing things to me above, it is > > > > > clear that Pt Rath proceeded to critique my views without reading > > > them! > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > Criticizing someone's view without reading it properly (let alone > > > > > giving it due consideration! ) and based on one's own > > > *imagination* of > > > > > what the other person is saying, demonstrates a *desperation* to > > > > > criticize. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > Sarada Mata's Moon is not in Ge in D-20, but in Ta, if one uses > > > Lahiri > > > > > ayanamsa or Jagannatha ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > Pt Rath said that " Ramakrishna Paramahamsa " is the " ishta > devata " of > > > > > Vivekananda. But my view is that Ramakrishna Paramahamsa is > his guru. > > > > > Many Hindu saints explicitly worship guru with a mantra. But that > > > does > > > > > not make guru their " ishta devata " . > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda saw Kaali as a small girl throughout the second > half of > > > > > his life, talked to her as a person and was guided by her. He > said he > > > > > stopped seeing her a few days before leaving his body. If that > does > > > > > not make her his ishta devata, I do not know what will! > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > Regarding " Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory " , Parasara explicitly > gave the > > > > > criteria to decide when to use 7 chara karakas and when to use 8 > > > chara > > > > > karakas. Both KN Rao group that uses 7 chara karakas always and Pt > > > > > Rath group that uses 8 chara karakas in human charts always are in > > > > > violation of Parasara's explicit teaching. > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha made an effort to understand and share the understanding > > > > > (http://vedicastrolo ger.org/articles /c_karaka. pdf). His view > > > may or > > > > > may not be perfect, but it is closer to Parasara's teaching. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality > (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > > > > > Parasara asked to see the deity one worships from the 12th > from AK's > > > > > amsa and NOT what one " esablishes " . Pt Rath is trying to deviate > > > from > > > > > Parasara and see everything from the 12th from AK! > > > > > > > > > > In my view, dasamsa is the chart for one's activities and > > > > > accomplishments ( " mahatphalam " is seen in D-10, according to > > > > > Parasara). AK shows the soul and the *graha arudha* of AK > should show > > > > > how the soul manifests to the world. After all, one's mission or > > > > > achievement is an attribute of the *manifestation* of one's > soul to > > > > > the world. The 9th house from the graha arudha of AK in D-10 could > > > > > indicate what the world views as a major mission (dharma/duty) of > > > > > one's soul. > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda and Sarada Mata had graha arudha of AK in Cn in > D-10. The > > > > > 9th was in Pisces showing establishing Vedanta and other > knowledge of > > > > > rishis. As another example, graha arudha of AK in Aurobindo's > D-10 is > > > > > in Ar. The 9th from there has Sg with Ketu in it, showing > > > > > establishment of dharma and Vedic knowledge. As another example, > > > graha > > > > > arudha of AK in Ramana Maharshi's D-10 is in Sc. The 9th house > > > > > contains exalted Jupiter and shows teaching sublime Vedic truths. > > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati had graha arudha of AK in Li > and the > > > > > 9th again had Jupiter in Ge, showing establishment and > lecturing of > > > > > Vedic knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > All these saints have Jupiter involved. As a comparison, see other > > > > > kinds of charts. Bill Gates has AK Saturn in Cn, his graha > arudha in > > > > > Ar and the 9th has Mercury (knowledge, communications and > computing). > > > > > Adolf Hitler has AK Venus in Sg, his graha arudha in Li and > the 9th > > > > > from it has Sun (power). Composer A.R. Rahman (of Jai ho fame) > has AK > > > > > Sun in Cn, his graha arudha in Ta (empty) and its lord Venus > exalted > > > > > (music and artistic creativity). > > > > > > > > > > Thus, the mission and what one achieves and establishes in > one's life > > > > > may be better seen from the 9th from the graha arudha of AK in > D-10, > > > > > than from the 12th house from AK in navamsa or vimsamsa. > > > > > > > > > > When we extrapolate things not mentioned by rishis, we need to be > > > > > intelligent and consistent. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > tarpana > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@ > ...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha Theory #1: Ista devata is to be seen from the Vimsamsa > > > > > instead of the Navamsa chart > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > The arguments given were the charts of Sri Ramakrishna besides > > > others - > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter > (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > > > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > > > things > > > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at > Dakshineshwar > > > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > > > material world). > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us examine the Vimsamsa and Navamsa charts > > > > > > > > > > > > In both the charts the atmakaraka Rahu is in Capricorn and > the 12th > > > > > house in both the charts is the same with the difference being > that > > > > > the Sun in Sagittarius is in the 12H from Karakamsa in D9 > while the > > > > > 12H from karakamsa in D20 is empty. How does the 12H from > karakamsa > > > > > show Kaali? > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now > as per > > > > > Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu > becomes > > > > > AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating the > Ista > > > devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding Parashara is another cup of tea. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vimsamsa, the *form* of the devata that one loves will > come into > > > > > the picture. Ramakrishna loved Kaali as this is indicated by the > > > *Moon > > > > > in Lagna in Aquarius*. This was His upaasita devata (Upasana or > > > > > penance deity). We can also say that as the Moon (in Aq = Kaali) > > > joins > > > > > the 9th Lord, this devata form was associated with a temple. > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= > ========= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Sarada Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Sarada Ma, the atmakaraka Moon is in > > > Sagittarius > > > > > navamsa. The ista devata is seen in the 12th house Scorpio > which is > > > > > empty and its lord Ketu joins AK Moon. Sri Sarada Ma has said > that > > > she > > > > > is *Bagala* [this is Her statement]. This is seen from the > energy of > > > > > Scorpio brought by Ketu to the AK Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Mercury also conjoins the AK Moon and the Ista > planet Ketu > > > > > thereby indicating Sodasi (Tripura sundari). Sri Ramakrishna > saw Her > > > > > as Sodasi and also worshipped Her as such. Therefore it is > clear that > > > > > Sri Sarada Ma is a dual manifestation of both Sri Bagalamukhi > and Sri > > > > > Tripurasundari and these are Her ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > Apply narasimha Theory. The AK Moon is in Gemini Vimsamssa > and the > > > > > 12th house is Taurus indicating the Ista devata as Lakshmi. > > > Definitely > > > > > wrong approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > > > ========= ======== > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Swami Vivekanada, the Atmakaraka Sun is in > > > > > Sagittarius Navamsa and the 12H from it is Scorpio with > Jupiter in it > > > > > indicating Shiva/Guru as Ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda worshipped Thakur with the mantra *om > hriiM namo > > > > > bhagavate raamakrishnaaya* [see the first letters of each line of > > > > > Ramakrishna stotra, the mantra is hidden in there]. Thakur > > > ramakrishna > > > > > was His Ista devata and was Shiva for Him, protector, teacher and > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > Applying Narasimha AK Vimsamsa theory, the Sun is in Pisces > and 12H > > > > > is having Rahu and Ketu and giving me arguments like Durga and > > > ganesha > > > > > as Ista for Him is not going to work. > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > > > ========= ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > How God/Ista devata helps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Ramakrishna, the Ista Devata Sun is in > > > > > Sagittarius navamsa ...both the two souls who made the Ramakrishna > > > > > Mission happen - Swami Vivekanada and Sarada ma, had AK in > > > Sagittarius > > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality > (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > The message that Pt Rath was commenting on > > > > > http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings/message/ 5 > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > I mentioned a formula that occurs commonly in the charts of > spiritual > > > > > greats, though it is not that common in regular charts. The long > > > > > discussion on sohamsa that followed that post ignored the actual > > > > > formula and its building blocks and focused on other things. I > > > want to > > > > > say more on one important building block used in that formula. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > In the chapter called " kaarakaamsa phala " in BPHS, Parasara > mentioned > > > > > the deities worshipped based on the planets in the 12th from > > > > > kaarakaamsha. For example, Sun in 12th from AK shows a > worshipper of > > > > > Shiva and Moon in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of Gouri. > > > > > > > > > > The term " kaarakaamsa " means " AK's amsa " . Amsa only means > division. > > > > > Which amsa or division is Parasara referring to? > > > > > > > > > > Though people jumped to the conclusion that amsa means navaamsa by > > > > > default, there is one more important thing to consider here. > At the > > > > > onset itself, Parasara clarified which amsas (divisions) are > used for > > > > > which purposes. He clearly said " upaasanaayaaH viGYaanaM saadhyaM > > > > > viMshati bhaagake " , meaning " the knowledge of one's worship and > > > > > spiritual practices is possible in D-20 " . > > > > > > > > > > If, having said that at the onset, he defines which deities are > > > > > worshipped based on the 12th house from AK in an " amsa " , can > the amsa > > > > > in question be anything other than D-20?! After all, he > clearly said > > > > > one's upaasanaa is seen from D-20. So the principles laid out > > > later by > > > > > Parasara for upaasanaa *must* be referring to D-20 by " amsa " and > > > *not* > > > > > D-9 as people normally take. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > People faithfully follow tradition and suggest specific ishta > devatas > > > > > to people. However, had some spiritual greats who were > liberated by > > > > > the grace of a deity come to us, we would've probably prescribed a > > > > > different deity to them. There are several examples and I will > > > share a > > > > > few here. > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter > (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > > > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > > > things > > > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at > Dakshineshwar > > > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > > > material world). > > > > > > > > > > Such logic is unreasonable. Bottomline is that Ramakrishna > revered > > > and > > > > > surrendered to mother Kaali. He saw her in an idol, in a cat, in a > > > > > flower, in the entire creation and in the light that fills the > entire > > > > > universe. The one who appears scary to several was a beautiful and > > > > > loving mother to him and She guided his life completely and > liberated > > > > > him. Even before entering nirvikalpa samadhi (a state beyond > forms, > > > > > including the Kaali form), he asked Kaali for permission. That > shows > > > > > what Kaali meant to him! If Jyotish principles you use show > Raama or > > > > > Taaraa as his ishta devata, probably your knowledge is > incomplete or > > > > > incorrect. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Sg in D-9 and Sc is > empty. > > > > > Mars and Ketu own it. One would've suggested Narasimha or > Bagalamukhi > > > > > for Mars or Matsyavatara or Dhumavati for Ketu. Her life too was > > > > > guided (and liberated) by mother Kaali. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Sg. Jupiter is > in 12th > > > > > and Mars owns it. One would've suggested Vaamana or Taaraa for > > > Jupiter > > > > > or Narasimha or Bagalamukhi for Mars. Swamiji was into Gayatri > mantra > > > > > and Chandipath. He saw Kaali as a girl and talked to her for > most of > > > > > the second half of his life and derived his energy from her. He > > > > > remarked in his last few days that the girl Kaali who was > around him > > > > > and giving him energy was no longer visible. If one has saayujya > > > > > (togetherness) of a deity while living and the deity is constantly > > > > > guiding one, that definitely must be one's ishta devata. > > > > > > > > > > For Ramana Maharshi, 12th from AK Moon contains Ketu in > navamsa and > > > > > Venus owns and aspects 12th. However, he obtained liberation > > > guided by > > > > > Shiva at Arunachalam. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > If we cannot see the correct deity in the case of spiritual > giants > > > who > > > > > succeeded by surrendering to a specific deity, what good are our > > > > > principles and how well can we guide people? > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > I suggest going back to Parasara and using D-20 instead of > D-9. There > > > > > is one special point when Rahu is AK. > > > > > > > > > > Planets have argala on the 3rd, 10th and 12th houses from them. > > > > > Parasara taught that these houses are counted > *anti-zodiacally* when > > > > > we find the argala of *Rahu and Ketu* on various signs and > planets. > > > > > This makes sense intuitively, as Rahu and Ketu move > anti-zodiacally. > > > > > What Rahu considers as the 1st or 2nd house from him would be > > > based on > > > > > his anti-zodiacal movement. If 0-30 deg from the longitude of > Mars is > > > > > 1st house from Mars, 30-60 deg from the longitude of Mars is 2nd > > > house > > > > > from Mars and so on, as Parasara taught in BPHS, then 360-330 deg > > > from > > > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 1st house from Rahu and 330-300 > deg from > > > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 2nd house from Rahu and so on. > Even in > > > > > the evaluation of chara karakas, Parasara mentioned subtracting > > > Rahu's > > > > > progress in sign from 30 deg and that is consistent with this > entire > > > > > philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > Thus, I conclude that houses should be reckoned > anti-zodiacally from > > > > > Rahu, if Rahu is AK. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > Now, let us revisit previous examples. I am using Jagannatha > > > ayanamsa. > > > > > I will stick to Parasara's approach and build on it, rather > than use > > > > > the list of dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. For example, Sun shows > > > > > Shiva according to Parasara, when influencing the 12th from AK in > > > amsa > > > > > (D-20). I will not take Sun to show Rama or Maatangi. Instead of > > > > > trying to see trees without checking if we are in the right > forest, > > > > > let us first focus on seeing the forest. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in > D-20. The > > > > > 12th house counted anti-zodiacally is Aq, owned by Saturn and > Rahu, > > > > > who are together with Ketu in Cp. As per Parasara, Rahu (and also > > > > > Saturn sometimes) shows taamasik deities such as Durga ( " taamasIm > > > > > durgaaM " , said Parasara) and ugra devatas. Out of the deities > listed > > > > > by Parasara, this is the group that Kaali would fall in. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Ta in D-20. The 12th > house > > > > > is Ar, owned by Mars. Mars is with Saturn in Aq and both > aspect Ar. > > > > > Rahu and Ketu also aspect it. The influence of Aq, Saturn and > Rahu is > > > > > coming again, like in Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Again Kaali is > fine. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Pi in D-20. The > 12th > > > > > from him is Aq containing Rahu and Ketu and Saturn owns it. > Again, > > > the > > > > > same influence as the above two charts is seen, which makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > See, the three of them have the same influences on the 12th from > > > AK in > > > > > D-20! > > > > > > > > > > Just to contrast, let us take another sishya of Ramakrishna > > > > > Paramahamsa, who was a Vaishnava. Take Swami Trigunatitananda > (1865 > > > > > Jan 30, 9:26 pm LMT, Naora, India). AK Jupiter is in Cn In > D-20. The > > > > > 12th is Ge and is empty. Only Saturn aspects it from Vi. > Mercury owns > > > > > Ge. The influence of Mercury and Saturn according to Parasara > shows a > > > > > devotee of Vishnu. Swami Trigunatitananda was indeed a Vaishnava. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Srila Prabhupada, AK Rahu is in Sg. The 12th > from him > > > > > reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp. Its lord Saturn is in Gemini owned > > > > > Mercury and aspected by Mercury. Saturn and Mercury show > Vaishnavas. > > > > > He realized god through his surrender to Krishna, a form of > Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Tridandi Chinna Jeeyar Swami (in the parampara of > > > > > Ramanujacharya) , AK Moon is in Cn in D-20. The 12th house Ge is > > > owned > > > > > by Mercury and Saturn occupies it. He has realized whatever he has > > > > > realized so far, through devotion to Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Ramana Maharshi, AK Moon is in Aq in D-20. The 12th > > > > > from him is Cp. It is empty. Jupiter with nodes in a friendly sign > > > > > aspects it. Parasara emphasized connection with Ketu in his > formulas > > > > > for 12th from AK. So, we will take Jupiter's aspect on Cp to > be more > > > > > important than Saturn's ownership. Jupiter shows Shiva. Ramana > > > > > Maharshi was devoted to Shiva at Arunachalam and realized Self. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, AK Saturn is in > Cp in > > > > > D-20. The 12th from him is owned by Jupiter. He too was devoted to > > > > > Shiva and realized Self. > > > > > > > > > > Take Prof. K.S. Krishnamoorthy (1908 November 1, 12:11 pm IST, > > > > > Thiruvaiyaru) , the inventer of KP. His AK Rahu is in Sc in > D-20. The > > > > > 12th from it reckoned anti-zodiacally is Sg. Its lord Jupiter is > > > in Sc > > > > > with 4 other planets. The strongest influence there is that of > Ketu. > > > > > Moreover, Sg is Ketu's exaltation sign. He was devoted to > Ganapathi. > > > > > > > > > > Take a person with birthdata 1968 March 19 evening, India. AK > Saturn > > > > > is in Vi in D-20. The 12th lord from him is in a Martian sign. > > > Mars in > > > > > moolatrikona is aspecting 12th and 12th lord. His dominating > > > influence > > > > > suggests Kartikeya. He indeed practiced a Subrahmanya mantra > and had > > > > > several mystical experiences and making good progress towards > > > realization. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Ramakrishnananda (disciple of Ramakrishna > > > > > Paramahamsa) , steadfast devotion to spiritual master was the > > > > > liberating factor. He constantly served Ramakrishna when he > was here > > > > > and worshipped his relics everyday without fail after he left. > > > Once he > > > > > requested Ramakrishna for some spiritual experiences, seeing the > > > > > experiences and ecstasy of other disciples. When Ramakrishna > said, " I > > > > > can do that. But you will not be able to serve me after that " , he > > > > > withdrew his request and said he was then not interested in any > > > > > experiences! He became liberated through complete surrender, > perfect > > > > > devotion and tireless service to his guru. He was born on 1863 > > > July 13 > > > > > at 4:56 am LMT at Ichchapur, India. His AK Sun is in Aq in D-20. > > > There > > > > > are 3 planets in Cp, but only Jupiter is in the 12th house > from Sun, > > > > > based on Sun's divisional longitude in D-20. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Paramahamsa Yogananda (of kriya yoga and > > > > > " Self-Realization Fellowship " and author of " Autobiography of a > > > > > Yogi " ), AK Venus is in Ar in D-20. The 12th from him is owned by > > > > > Jupiter, who joins nodes. Jupiter can show Shiva, but he can also > > > show > > > > > surrender to a great guru, like in the above example. Paramahamsa > > > > > Yogananda may have worshipped several deities, but his > surrender to > > > > > his guru Yukteshwar Maharaj (whom he met at 17) and guru parampara > > > > > (from Mahavatar Babaji) is what liberated him. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > You can see that I am sticking to the basic classification > instead of > > > > > using dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. If the 12th from AK in > navamsa > > > > > has Jupiter, some suggest Vaamana and some suggest Taaraa, while > > > > > Pararsara said Shiva. It is important to see the forest first and > > > then > > > > > try to see the trees. Clearly, Parasara's indications in BPHS show > > > > > that the 12th from AK in amsa (D-20) is meant to see the forest > > > (Shiva > > > > > or Vishnu or Gouri or Kartikeya etc). Seeing the specific form of > > > > > Vishnu or Shiva or Gouri etc must be from other modifying > factors. I > > > > > will not go into that. But, I want to emphasize that going > into trees > > > > > without making sure you are in the right forest is not so wise! > > > > > > > > > > There seem to be corruptions in our current knowledge. Going > back to > > > > > Parasara faithfully, thinking logically and simplifying things > > > will be > > > > > helpful in getting more consistent results, in many areas. > Unless the > > > > > principles one uses are verified based on reliable data (e.g. > charts > > > > > of people who indeed made great spiritual progress by > worshipping a > > > > > specific deity), they just remain theoretical and their utility > > > > > questionable. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > tarpana > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Aum Namo Bhagavathe Vaasudevaya  Respected Rafalji,  Can you please explain how to determine Graha Arudha in a chart?  Thank you Best Regards lalitha v --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Graha Arudha vedic astrology Monday, November 9, 2009, 3:06 AM  /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ Dear Rohinranjan, My Guruji doesnt disagree with Sanjayji. I have clarified it in the 2nd mail. In Hitler's chart both Arudha and Grahaarudha will be influenced most by Suryaputr which in Cancer/Tenth bhava gives Rajayoga of high order. This gives the image of Indra, which can be spoiled due to Shani being enemy of Moon (popularity) . Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru ------------ -- /*Consultations & Pages* http://rohinaa. com rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com starsuponme@ wp.pl / rohinicrystal pisze: > > > Very interesting indeed, Mr. Gendarz! > > Could I impose upon your valuable time and request you to explain that > using Hitler's chart? > > Thanks in advance for your kindness! > > RR_, > > vedic astrology > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > Dear Rohinranjan, > > > > Yes, my Guruji and Sanjayji often has different opinions on various > > matters. > > > > This comes from my Guruji: > > > > * graha arudha shows how other see you and you may be not concious > > about it > > * arudha pada shows how you project yourself in the society - which > > often is seen like that by others in consequence - this is fully > > concious. > > > > These are very shallow definitions and there is much more when it comes > > to graha arudha and arudha lagna. Graha arudhas are analysed to see > > Lagna of our friends, enemies and also beside many other things to time > > the demise. > > > > In my example my Lagnesh is Budha in forth house (mithuna lagna) which > > makes Arudha sitting in forth house (matri bhava) in Kanya. Grahaarudha > > is in the seventh house with Pisaca yoga (Ma/Ke) in seventh house > > (vivaha bhava). > > > > It means that I project myself as writer and I think I do this in very > > peaceful way (Budha = ahimsa) but often people criticize me for being > > too harsh or argumentative which is the quality of Mangal being in > graha > > arudha of Lagnadhipati. > > > > This way the karma works. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > ------------ -- > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> > > rafal > > starsuponme@ ... / > > > > > > rohinicrystal pisze: > > > > > > > > > Hmm... Mr. Gendarz: What you wrote sounds opposite to what PVR wrote > > > in his Integrated Astrology! > > > > > > He described Graha Arudha as being the way the nativity views the > > > different things, so Graha Arudha of Lagnesh will 'show' or describe > > > how the nativity sees him/herself, whereas, the arudha of lagna > > > (house) will show how others perceive the Nativity. > > > > > > Maybe, that is what you meant or perhaps with time, the implications > > > have gotten modified! > > > > > > Please clarify. Thanks! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > Dear Lalitha, > > > > > > > > Just like the arudha of houses are the external manifestation of > bhava, > > > > graha arudha shows the point where the planet will show the > > > > manifestation. For example graha arudha of lagnesh will show how > > > other's > > > > percieve the native, so its like the traces which stays after some > > > > action is done by the actual Lagnadhipati. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > ------------ -- > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com>> > > > > rafal@ > > > > starsuponme@ ... / > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalitha Vuppaladadiyam pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Namo Bhagavathe Vaasudevaya > > > > > > > > > > Poojya Gurujis, > > > > > > > > > > Can anybody please explain what is meant by Graha Arudha? > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > lalitha v > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ > > > > > <pvr% 40charter. net>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ <pvr% 40charter. net>> > > > > > [vedic astrology] The 12th from AK and 9th from AK-arudha > > > > > JyotishWritings > > > <JyotishWrit ings%40grou ps.com> > > > > > <JyotishWrit ings%40grou ps.com>, > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com> <vedic- > astrology% > > > 40. com> > > > > > Cc: > > > <JyotishGrou p%40. com> <JyotishGrou > > > p%40. com> > > > > > Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > I sent a writeup titled " On Seeing Deities from the 12th from > > > > > Karakamsa " with many examples sometime back. I reproduced that > > > writeup > > > > > at the end of this email for easy reference. > > > > > > > > > > The enclosed critique on that writeup was posted by Pt Rath on > > > sohamsa > > > > > list recently and it was forwarded to me by a friend. > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > > > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. > Now as > > > > > > per Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu > > > > > > becomes AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon > indicating > > > > > > the Ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > I clearly wrote (see the article at the end): " In the case of > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. " > > > > > > > > > > Pt Rath missed the explicitly stated fact that I also took > Rahu as AK > > > > > and not " another planet other than Rahu " as he *imagined* > above. Pt > > > > > Rath also missed the explicitly stated fact that I count houses > > > > > anti-zodiacally from Rahu. Pt Rath missed the fact that I do > not try > > > > > to see the trees without seeing the forest first and I do not > look > > > for > > > > > dasa mahavidyas or dasavatara lists and use the basic list of > > > Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > Given the factual errors in attributing things to me above, it is > > > > > clear that Pt Rath proceeded to critique my views without reading > > > them! > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > Criticizing someone's view without reading it properly (let alone > > > > > giving it due consideration! ) and based on one's own > > > *imagination* of > > > > > what the other person is saying, demonstrates a *desperation* to > > > > > criticize. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > Sarada Mata's Moon is not in Ge in D-20, but in Ta, if one uses > > > Lahiri > > > > > ayanamsa or Jagannatha ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > Pt Rath said that " Ramakrishna Paramahamsa " is the " ishta > devata " of > > > > > Vivekananda. But my view is that Ramakrishna Paramahamsa is > his guru. > > > > > Many Hindu saints explicitly worship guru with a mantra. But that > > > does > > > > > not make guru their " ishta devata " . > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda saw Kaali as a small girl throughout the second > half of > > > > > his life, talked to her as a person and was guided by her. He > said he > > > > > stopped seeing her a few days before leaving his body. If that > does > > > > > not make her his ishta devata, I do not know what will! > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > Regarding " Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory " , Parasara explicitly > gave the > > > > > criteria to decide when to use 7 chara karakas and when to use 8 > > > chara > > > > > karakas. Both KN Rao group that uses 7 chara karakas always and Pt > > > > > Rath group that uses 8 chara karakas in human charts always are in > > > > > violation of Parasara's explicit teaching. > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha made an effort to understand and share the understanding > > > > > (http://vedicastrolo ger.org/articles /c_karaka. pdf). His view > > > may or > > > > > may not be perfect, but it is closer to Parasara's teaching. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality > (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > > > > > Parasara asked to see the deity one worships from the 12th > from AK's > > > > > amsa and NOT what one " esablishes " . Pt Rath is trying to deviate > > > from > > > > > Parasara and see everything from the 12th from AK! > > > > > > > > > > In my view, dasamsa is the chart for one's activities and > > > > > accomplishments ( " mahatphalam " is seen in D-10, according to > > > > > Parasara). AK shows the soul and the *graha arudha* of AK > should show > > > > > how the soul manifests to the world. After all, one's mission or > > > > > achievement is an attribute of the *manifestation* of one's > soul to > > > > > the world. The 9th house from the graha arudha of AK in D-10 could > > > > > indicate what the world views as a major mission (dharma/duty) of > > > > > one's soul. > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda and Sarada Mata had graha arudha of AK in Cn in > D-10. The > > > > > 9th was in Pisces showing establishing Vedanta and other > knowledge of > > > > > rishis. As another example, graha arudha of AK in Aurobindo's > D-10 is > > > > > in Ar. The 9th from there has Sg with Ketu in it, showing > > > > > establishment of dharma and Vedic knowledge. As another example, > > > graha > > > > > arudha of AK in Ramana Maharshi's D-10 is in Sc. The 9th house > > > > > contains exalted Jupiter and shows teaching sublime Vedic truths. > > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati had graha arudha of AK in Li > and the > > > > > 9th again had Jupiter in Ge, showing establishment and > lecturing of > > > > > Vedic knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > All these saints have Jupiter involved. As a comparison, see other > > > > > kinds of charts. Bill Gates has AK Saturn in Cn, his graha > arudha in > > > > > Ar and the 9th has Mercury (knowledge, communications and > computing). > > > > > Adolf Hitler has AK Venus in Sg, his graha arudha in Li and > the 9th > > > > > from it has Sun (power). Composer A.R. Rahman (of Jai ho fame) > has AK > > > > > Sun in Cn, his graha arudha in Ta (empty) and its lord Venus > exalted > > > > > (music and artistic creativity). > > > > > > > > > > Thus, the mission and what one achieves and establishes in > one's life > > > > > may be better seen from the 9th from the graha arudha of AK in > D-10, > > > > > than from the 12th house from AK in navamsa or vimsamsa. > > > > > > > > > > When we extrapolate things not mentioned by rishis, we need to be > > > > > intelligent and consistent. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > tarpana > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@ > ...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha Theory #1: Ista devata is to be seen from the Vimsamsa > > > > > instead of the Navamsa chart > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > The arguments given were the charts of Sri Ramakrishna besides > > > others - > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter > (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > > > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > > > things > > > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at > Dakshineshwar > > > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > > > material world). > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us examine the Vimsamsa and Navamsa charts > > > > > > > > > > > > In both the charts the atmakaraka Rahu is in Capricorn and > the 12th > > > > > house in both the charts is the same with the difference being > that > > > > > the Sun in Sagittarius is in the 12H from Karakamsa in D9 > while the > > > > > 12H from karakamsa in D20 is empty. How does the 12H from > karakamsa > > > > > show Kaali? > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now > as per > > > > > Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu > becomes > > > > > AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating the > Ista > > > devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding Parashara is another cup of tea. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vimsamsa, the *form* of the devata that one loves will > come into > > > > > the picture. Ramakrishna loved Kaali as this is indicated by the > > > *Moon > > > > > in Lagna in Aquarius*. This was His upaasita devata (Upasana or > > > > > penance deity). We can also say that as the Moon (in Aq = Kaali) > > > joins > > > > > the 9th Lord, this devata form was associated with a temple. > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= > ========= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Sarada Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Sarada Ma, the atmakaraka Moon is in > > > Sagittarius > > > > > navamsa. The ista devata is seen in the 12th house Scorpio > which is > > > > > empty and its lord Ketu joins AK Moon. Sri Sarada Ma has said > that > > > she > > > > > is *Bagala* [this is Her statement]. This is seen from the > energy of > > > > > Scorpio brought by Ketu to the AK Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Mercury also conjoins the AK Moon and the Ista > planet Ketu > > > > > thereby indicating Sodasi (Tripura sundari). Sri Ramakrishna > saw Her > > > > > as Sodasi and also worshipped Her as such. Therefore it is > clear that > > > > > Sri Sarada Ma is a dual manifestation of both Sri Bagalamukhi > and Sri > > > > > Tripurasundari and these are Her ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > Apply narasimha Theory. The AK Moon is in Gemini Vimsamssa > and the > > > > > 12th house is Taurus indicating the Ista devata as Lakshmi. > > > Definitely > > > > > wrong approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > > > ========= ======== > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Swami Vivekanada, the Atmakaraka Sun is in > > > > > Sagittarius Navamsa and the 12H from it is Scorpio with > Jupiter in it > > > > > indicating Shiva/Guru as Ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda worshipped Thakur with the mantra *om > hriiM namo > > > > > bhagavate raamakrishnaaya* [see the first letters of each line of > > > > > Ramakrishna stotra, the mantra is hidden in there]. Thakur > > > ramakrishna > > > > > was His Ista devata and was Shiva for Him, protector, teacher and > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > Applying Narasimha AK Vimsamsa theory, the Sun is in Pisces > and 12H > > > > > is having Rahu and Ketu and giving me arguments like Durga and > > > ganesha > > > > > as Ista for Him is not going to work. > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > > > ========= ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > How God/Ista devata helps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Ramakrishna, the Ista Devata Sun is in > > > > > Sagittarius navamsa ...both the two souls who made the Ramakrishna > > > > > Mission happen - Swami Vivekanada and Sarada ma, had AK in > > > Sagittarius > > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality > (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > The message that Pt Rath was commenting on > > > > > http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings/message/ 5 > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > I mentioned a formula that occurs commonly in the charts of > spiritual > > > > > greats, though it is not that common in regular charts. The long > > > > > discussion on sohamsa that followed that post ignored the actual > > > > > formula and its building blocks and focused on other things. I > > > want to > > > > > say more on one important building block used in that formula. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > In the chapter called " kaarakaamsa phala " in BPHS, Parasara > mentioned > > > > > the deities worshipped based on the planets in the 12th from > > > > > kaarakaamsha. For example, Sun in 12th from AK shows a > worshipper of > > > > > Shiva and Moon in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of Gouri. > > > > > > > > > > The term " kaarakaamsa " means " AK's amsa " . Amsa only means > division. > > > > > Which amsa or division is Parasara referring to? > > > > > > > > > > Though people jumped to the conclusion that amsa means navaamsa by > > > > > default, there is one more important thing to consider here. > At the > > > > > onset itself, Parasara clarified which amsas (divisions) are > used for > > > > > which purposes. He clearly said " upaasanaayaaH viGYaanaM saadhyaM > > > > > viMshati bhaagake " , meaning " the knowledge of one's worship and > > > > > spiritual practices is possible in D-20 " . > > > > > > > > > > If, having said that at the onset, he defines which deities are > > > > > worshipped based on the 12th house from AK in an " amsa " , can > the amsa > > > > > in question be anything other than D-20?! After all, he > clearly said > > > > > one's upaasanaa is seen from D-20. So the principles laid out > > > later by > > > > > Parasara for upaasanaa *must* be referring to D-20 by " amsa " and > > > *not* > > > > > D-9 as people normally take. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > People faithfully follow tradition and suggest specific ishta > devatas > > > > > to people. However, had some spiritual greats who were > liberated by > > > > > the grace of a deity come to us, we would've probably prescribed a > > > > > different deity to them. There are several examples and I will > > > share a > > > > > few here. > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter > (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > > > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > > > things > > > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at > Dakshineshwar > > > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > > > material world). > > > > > > > > > > Such logic is unreasonable. Bottomline is that Ramakrishna > revered > > > and > > > > > surrendered to mother Kaali. He saw her in an idol, in a cat, in a > > > > > flower, in the entire creation and in the light that fills the > entire > > > > > universe. The one who appears scary to several was a beautiful and > > > > > loving mother to him and She guided his life completely and > liberated > > > > > him. Even before entering nirvikalpa samadhi (a state beyond > forms, > > > > > including the Kaali form), he asked Kaali for permission. That > shows > > > > > what Kaali meant to him! If Jyotish principles you use show > Raama or > > > > > Taaraa as his ishta devata, probably your knowledge is > incomplete or > > > > > incorrect. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Sg in D-9 and Sc is > empty. > > > > > Mars and Ketu own it. One would've suggested Narasimha or > Bagalamukhi > > > > > for Mars or Matsyavatara or Dhumavati for Ketu. Her life too was > > > > > guided (and liberated) by mother Kaali. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Sg. Jupiter is > in 12th > > > > > and Mars owns it. One would've suggested Vaamana or Taaraa for > > > Jupiter > > > > > or Narasimha or Bagalamukhi for Mars. Swamiji was into Gayatri > mantra > > > > > and Chandipath. He saw Kaali as a girl and talked to her for > most of > > > > > the second half of his life and derived his energy from her. He > > > > > remarked in his last few days that the girl Kaali who was > around him > > > > > and giving him energy was no longer visible. If one has saayujya > > > > > (togetherness) of a deity while living and the deity is constantly > > > > > guiding one, that definitely must be one's ishta devata. > > > > > > > > > > For Ramana Maharshi, 12th from AK Moon contains Ketu in > navamsa and > > > > > Venus owns and aspects 12th. However, he obtained liberation > > > guided by > > > > > Shiva at Arunachalam. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > If we cannot see the correct deity in the case of spiritual > giants > > > who > > > > > succeeded by surrendering to a specific deity, what good are our > > > > > principles and how well can we guide people? > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > I suggest going back to Parasara and using D-20 instead of > D-9. There > > > > > is one special point when Rahu is AK. > > > > > > > > > > Planets have argala on the 3rd, 10th and 12th houses from them. > > > > > Parasara taught that these houses are counted > *anti-zodiacally* when > > > > > we find the argala of *Rahu and Ketu* on various signs and > planets. > > > > > This makes sense intuitively, as Rahu and Ketu move > anti-zodiacally. > > > > > What Rahu considers as the 1st or 2nd house from him would be > > > based on > > > > > his anti-zodiacal movement. If 0-30 deg from the longitude of > Mars is > > > > > 1st house from Mars, 30-60 deg from the longitude of Mars is 2nd > > > house > > > > > from Mars and so on, as Parasara taught in BPHS, then 360-330 deg > > > from > > > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 1st house from Rahu and 330-300 > deg from > > > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 2nd house from Rahu and so on. > Even in > > > > > the evaluation of chara karakas, Parasara mentioned subtracting > > > Rahu's > > > > > progress in sign from 30 deg and that is consistent with this > entire > > > > > philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > Thus, I conclude that houses should be reckoned > anti-zodiacally from > > > > > Rahu, if Rahu is AK. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > Now, let us revisit previous examples. I am using Jagannatha > > > ayanamsa. > > > > > I will stick to Parasara's approach and build on it, rather > than use > > > > > the list of dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. For example, Sun shows > > > > > Shiva according to Parasara, when influencing the 12th from AK in > > > amsa > > > > > (D-20). I will not take Sun to show Rama or Maatangi. Instead of > > > > > trying to see trees without checking if we are in the right > forest, > > > > > let us first focus on seeing the forest. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in > D-20. The > > > > > 12th house counted anti-zodiacally is Aq, owned by Saturn and > Rahu, > > > > > who are together with Ketu in Cp. As per Parasara, Rahu (and also > > > > > Saturn sometimes) shows taamasik deities such as Durga ( " taamasIm > > > > > durgaaM " , said Parasara) and ugra devatas. Out of the deities > listed > > > > > by Parasara, this is the group that Kaali would fall in. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Ta in D-20. The 12th > house > > > > > is Ar, owned by Mars. Mars is with Saturn in Aq and both > aspect Ar. > > > > > Rahu and Ketu also aspect it. The influence of Aq, Saturn and > Rahu is > > > > > coming again, like in Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Again Kaali is > fine. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Pi in D-20. The > 12th > > > > > from him is Aq containing Rahu and Ketu and Saturn owns it. > Again, > > > the > > > > > same influence as the above two charts is seen, which makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > See, the three of them have the same influences on the 12th from > > > AK in > > > > > D-20! > > > > > > > > > > Just to contrast, let us take another sishya of Ramakrishna > > > > > Paramahamsa, who was a Vaishnava. Take Swami Trigunatitananda > (1865 > > > > > Jan 30, 9:26 pm LMT, Naora, India). AK Jupiter is in Cn In > D-20. The > > > > > 12th is Ge and is empty. Only Saturn aspects it from Vi. > Mercury owns > > > > > Ge. The influence of Mercury and Saturn according to Parasara > shows a > > > > > devotee of Vishnu. Swami Trigunatitananda was indeed a Vaishnava. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Srila Prabhupada, AK Rahu is in Sg. The 12th > from him > > > > > reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp. Its lord Saturn is in Gemini owned > > > > > Mercury and aspected by Mercury. Saturn and Mercury show > Vaishnavas. > > > > > He realized god through his surrender to Krishna, a form of > Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Tridandi Chinna Jeeyar Swami (in the parampara of > > > > > Ramanujacharya) , AK Moon is in Cn in D-20. The 12th house Ge is > > > owned > > > > > by Mercury and Saturn occupies it. He has realized whatever he has > > > > > realized so far, through devotion to Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Ramana Maharshi, AK Moon is in Aq in D-20. The 12th > > > > > from him is Cp. It is empty. Jupiter with nodes in a friendly sign > > > > > aspects it. Parasara emphasized connection with Ketu in his > formulas > > > > > for 12th from AK. So, we will take Jupiter's aspect on Cp to > be more > > > > > important than Saturn's ownership. Jupiter shows Shiva. Ramana > > > > > Maharshi was devoted to Shiva at Arunachalam and realized Self. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, AK Saturn is in > Cp in > > > > > D-20. The 12th from him is owned by Jupiter. He too was devoted to > > > > > Shiva and realized Self. > > > > > > > > > > Take Prof. K.S. Krishnamoorthy (1908 November 1, 12:11 pm IST, > > > > > Thiruvaiyaru) , the inventer of KP. His AK Rahu is in Sc in > D-20. The > > > > > 12th from it reckoned anti-zodiacally is Sg. Its lord Jupiter is > > > in Sc > > > > > with 4 other planets. The strongest influence there is that of > Ketu. > > > > > Moreover, Sg is Ketu's exaltation sign. He was devoted to > Ganapathi. > > > > > > > > > > Take a person with birthdata 1968 March 19 evening, India. AK > Saturn > > > > > is in Vi in D-20. The 12th lord from him is in a Martian sign. > > > Mars in > > > > > moolatrikona is aspecting 12th and 12th lord. His dominating > > > influence > > > > > suggests Kartikeya. He indeed practiced a Subrahmanya mantra > and had > > > > > several mystical experiences and making good progress towards > > > realization. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Ramakrishnananda (disciple of Ramakrishna > > > > > Paramahamsa) , steadfast devotion to spiritual master was the > > > > > liberating factor. He constantly served Ramakrishna when he > was here > > > > > and worshipped his relics everyday without fail after he left. > > > Once he > > > > > requested Ramakrishna for some spiritual experiences, seeing the > > > > > experiences and ecstasy of other disciples. When Ramakrishna > said, " I > > > > > can do that. But you will not be able to serve me after that " , he > > > > > withdrew his request and said he was then not interested in any > > > > > experiences! He became liberated through complete surrender, > perfect > > > > > devotion and tireless service to his guru. He was born on 1863 > > > July 13 > > > > > at 4:56 am LMT at Ichchapur, India. His AK Sun is in Aq in D-20. > > > There > > > > > are 3 planets in Cp, but only Jupiter is in the 12th house > from Sun, > > > > > based on Sun's divisional longitude in D-20. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Paramahamsa Yogananda (of kriya yoga and > > > > > " Self-Realization Fellowship " and author of " Autobiography of a > > > > > Yogi " ), AK Venus is in Ar in D-20. The 12th from him is owned by > > > > > Jupiter, who joins nodes. Jupiter can show Shiva, but he can also > > > show > > > > > surrender to a great guru, like in the above example. Paramahamsa > > > > > Yogananda may have worshipped several deities, but his > surrender to > > > > > his guru Yukteshwar Maharaj (whom he met at 17) and guru parampara > > > > > (from Mahavatar Babaji) is what liberated him. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > You can see that I am sticking to the basic classification > instead of > > > > > using dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. If the 12th from AK in > navamsa > > > > > has Jupiter, some suggest Vaamana and some suggest Taaraa, while > > > > > Pararsara said Shiva. It is important to see the forest first and > > > then > > > > > try to see the trees. Clearly, Parasara's indications in BPHS show > > > > > that the 12th from AK in amsa (D-20) is meant to see the forest > > > (Shiva > > > > > or Vishnu or Gouri or Kartikeya etc). Seeing the specific form of > > > > > Vishnu or Shiva or Gouri etc must be from other modifying > factors. I > > > > > will not go into that. But, I want to emphasize that going > into trees > > > > > without making sure you are in the right forest is not so wise! > > > > > > > > > > There seem to be corruptions in our current knowledge. Going > back to > > > > > Parasara faithfully, thinking logically and simplifying things > > > will be > > > > > helpful in getting more consistent results, in many areas. > Unless the > > > > > principles one uses are verified based on reliable data (e.g. > charts > > > > > of people who indeed made great spiritual progress by > worshipping a > > > > > specific deity), they just remain theoretical and their utility > > > > > questionable. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > tarpana > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ Dear Lalitha Just reverse to normal arudha. Treat Lagnesh as Lagna, and Lagna as Lagnesh and count the arudha. Example: I have Mithuna Lagna with Budha in forth house. If we put the Lagna in forth house and Lagnesh in Mithuna then Arudha will be in forth from Kanya ie. Dhanus. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru -------------- /*Consultations & Pages* http://rohinaa.com rafal starsuponme / Lalitha Vuppaladadiyam pisze: > > > Aum Namo Bhagavathe Vaasudevaya > > Respected Rafalji, > > Can you please explain how to determine Graha Arudha in a chart? > > Thank you > Best Regards > lalitha v > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme > <starsuponme%40wp.pl>> wrote: > > Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme <starsuponme%40wp.pl>> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Graha Arudha > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > Monday, November 9, 2009, 3:06 AM > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > Dear Rohinranjan, > > My Guruji doesnt disagree with Sanjayji. I have clarified it in the 2nd > mail. > > In Hitler's chart both Arudha and Grahaarudha will be influenced most by > Suryaputr which in Cancer/Tenth bhava gives Rajayoga of high order. This > gives the image of Indra, which can be spoiled due to Shani being enemy > of Moon (popularity) . > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > ------------ -- > /*Consultations & Pages* > http://rohinaa. com > rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com > starsuponme@ wp.pl / > > rohinicrystal pisze: > > > > > > Very interesting indeed, Mr. Gendarz! > > > > Could I impose upon your valuable time and request you to explain that > > using Hitler's chart? > > > > Thanks in advance for your kindness! > > > > RR_, > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > Dear Rohinranjan, > > > > > > Yes, my Guruji and Sanjayji often has different opinions on various > > > matters. > > > > > > This comes from my Guruji: > > > > > > * graha arudha shows how other see you and you may be not concious > > > about it > > > * arudha pada shows how you project yourself in the society - which > > > often is seen like that by others in consequence - this is fully > > > concious. > > > > > > These are very shallow definitions and there is much more when it > comes > > > to graha arudha and arudha lagna. Graha arudhas are analysed to see > > > Lagna of our friends, enemies and also beside many other things to > time > > > the demise. > > > > > > In my example my Lagnesh is Budha in forth house (mithuna lagna) which > > > makes Arudha sitting in forth house (matri bhava) in Kanya. > Grahaarudha > > > is in the seventh house with Pisaca yoga (Ma/Ke) in seventh house > > > (vivaha bhava). > > > > > > It means that I project myself as writer and I think I do this in very > > > peaceful way (Budha = ahimsa) but often people criticize me for being > > > too harsh or argumentative which is the quality of Mangal being in > > graha > > > arudha of Lagnadhipati. > > > > > > This way the karma works. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > ------------ -- > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> > > > rafal > > > starsuponme@ ... / > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm... Mr. Gendarz: What you wrote sounds opposite to what PVR wrote > > > > in his Integrated Astrology! > > > > > > > > He described Graha Arudha as being the way the nativity views the > > > > different things, so Graha Arudha of Lagnesh will 'show' or describe > > > > how the nativity sees him/herself, whereas, the arudha of lagna > > > > (house) will show how others perceive the Nativity. > > > > > > > > Maybe, that is what you meant or perhaps with time, the implications > > > > have gotten modified! > > > > > > > > Please clarify. Thanks! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > > Dear Lalitha, > > > > > > > > > > Just like the arudha of houses are the external manifestation of > > bhava, > > > > > graha arudha shows the point where the planet will show the > > > > > manifestation. For example graha arudha of lagnesh will show how > > > > other's > > > > > percieve the native, so its like the traces which stays after some > > > > > action is done by the actual Lagnadhipati. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com>> > > > > > rafal@ > > > > > starsuponme@ ... / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalitha Vuppaladadiyam pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Namo Bhagavathe Vaasudevaya > > > > > > > > > > > > Poojya Gurujis, > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anybody please explain what is meant by Graha Arudha? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > lalitha v > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ > > > > > > <pvr% 40charter. net>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ <pvr% 40charter. net>> > > > > > > [vedic astrology] The 12th from AK and 9th from > AK-arudha > > > > > > JyotishWritings > > > > <JyotishWrit ings%40grou ps.com> > > > > > > <JyotishWrit ings%40grou ps.com>, > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com> <vedic- > > astrology% > > > > 40. com> > > > > > > Cc: > > > > <JyotishGrou p%40. com> <JyotishGrou > > > > p%40. com> > > > > > > Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > I sent a writeup titled " On Seeing Deities from the 12th from > > > > > > Karakamsa " with many examples sometime back. I reproduced that > > > > writeup > > > > > > at the end of this email for easy reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > The enclosed critique on that writeup was posted by Pt Rath on > > > > sohamsa > > > > > > list recently and it was forwarded to me by a friend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove > himself > > > > > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. > > Now as > > > > > > > per Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than > Rahu > > > > > > > becomes AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon > > indicating > > > > > > > the Ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > I clearly wrote (see the article at the end): " In the case of > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt Rath missed the explicitly stated fact that I also took > > Rahu as AK > > > > > > and not " another planet other than Rahu " as he *imagined* > > above. Pt > > > > > > Rath also missed the explicitly stated fact that I count houses > > > > > > anti-zodiacally from Rahu. Pt Rath missed the fact that I do > > not try > > > > > > to see the trees without seeing the forest first and I do not > > look > > > > for > > > > > > dasa mahavidyas or dasavatara lists and use the basic list of > > > > Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > Given the factual errors in attributing things to me above, > it is > > > > > > clear that Pt Rath proceeded to critique my views without > reading > > > > them! > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Criticizing someone's view without reading it properly (let > alone > > > > > > giving it due consideration! ) and based on one's own > > > > *imagination* of > > > > > > what the other person is saying, demonstrates a *desperation* to > > > > > > criticize. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarada Mata's Moon is not in Ge in D-20, but in Ta, if one uses > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > ayanamsa or Jagannatha ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt Rath said that " Ramakrishna Paramahamsa " is the " ishta > > devata " of > > > > > > Vivekananda. But my view is that Ramakrishna Paramahamsa is > > his guru. > > > > > > Many Hindu saints explicitly worship guru with a mantra. But > that > > > > does > > > > > > not make guru their " ishta devata " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda saw Kaali as a small girl throughout the second > > half of > > > > > > his life, talked to her as a person and was guided by her. He > > said he > > > > > > stopped seeing her a few days before leaving his body. If that > > does > > > > > > not make her his ishta devata, I do not know what will! > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding " Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory " , Parasara explicitly > > gave the > > > > > > criteria to decide when to use 7 chara karakas and when to use 8 > > > > chara > > > > > > karakas. Both KN Rao group that uses 7 chara karakas always > and Pt > > > > > > Rath group that uses 8 chara karakas in human charts always > are in > > > > > > violation of Parasara's explicit teaching. > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha made an effort to understand and share the > understanding > > > > > > (http://vedicastrolo ger.org/articles /c_karaka. pdf). His view > > > > may or > > > > > > may not be perfect, but it is closer to Parasara's teaching. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality > > (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > > > > > > > Parasara asked to see the deity one worships from the 12th > > from AK's > > > > > > amsa and NOT what one " esablishes " . Pt Rath is trying to > deviate > > > > from > > > > > > Parasara and see everything from the 12th from AK! > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view, dasamsa is the chart for one's activities and > > > > > > accomplishments ( " mahatphalam " is seen in D-10, according to > > > > > > Parasara). AK shows the soul and the *graha arudha* of AK > > should show > > > > > > how the soul manifests to the world. After all, one's mission or > > > > > > achievement is an attribute of the *manifestation* of one's > > soul to > > > > > > the world. The 9th house from the graha arudha of AK in D-10 > could > > > > > > indicate what the world views as a major mission > (dharma/duty) of > > > > > > one's soul. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda and Sarada Mata had graha arudha of AK in Cn in > > D-10. The > > > > > > 9th was in Pisces showing establishing Vedanta and other > > knowledge of > > > > > > rishis. As another example, graha arudha of AK in Aurobindo's > > D-10 is > > > > > > in Ar. The 9th from there has Sg with Ketu in it, showing > > > > > > establishment of dharma and Vedic knowledge. As another example, > > > > graha > > > > > > arudha of AK in Ramana Maharshi's D-10 is in Sc. The 9th house > > > > > > contains exalted Jupiter and shows teaching sublime Vedic > truths. > > > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati had graha arudha of AK in Li > > and the > > > > > > 9th again had Jupiter in Ge, showing establishment and > > lecturing of > > > > > > Vedic knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > All these saints have Jupiter involved. As a comparison, see > other > > > > > > kinds of charts. Bill Gates has AK Saturn in Cn, his graha > > arudha in > > > > > > Ar and the 9th has Mercury (knowledge, communications and > > computing). > > > > > > Adolf Hitler has AK Venus in Sg, his graha arudha in Li and > > the 9th > > > > > > from it has Sun (power). Composer A.R. Rahman (of Jai ho fame) > > has AK > > > > > > Sun in Cn, his graha arudha in Ta (empty) and its lord Venus > > exalted > > > > > > (music and artistic creativity). > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, the mission and what one achieves and establishes in > > one's life > > > > > > may be better seen from the 9th from the graha arudha of AK in > > D-10, > > > > > > than from the 12th house from AK in navamsa or vimsamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > When we extrapolate things not mentioned by rishis, we need > to be > > > > > > intelligent and consistent. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > homam > > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > tarpana > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri > tings > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@ > > ...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha Theory #1: Ista devata is to be seen from the > Vimsamsa > > > > > > instead of the Navamsa chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The arguments given were the charts of Sri Ramakrishna besides > > > > others - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter > > (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > > > > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > > > > things > > > > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara > (Jupiter) is > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at > > Dakshineshwar > > > > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > > > > material world). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us examine the Vimsamsa and Navamsa charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In both the charts the atmakaraka Rahu is in Capricorn and > > the 12th > > > > > > house in both the charts is the same with the difference being > > that > > > > > > the Sun in Sagittarius is in the 12H from Karakamsa in D9 > > while the > > > > > > 12H from karakamsa in D20 is empty. How does the 12H from > > karakamsa > > > > > > show Kaali? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove > himself > > > > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now > > as per > > > > > > Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu > > becomes > > > > > > AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating the > > Ista > > > > devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding Parashara is another cup of tea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vimsamsa, the *form* of the devata that one loves will > > come into > > > > > > the picture. Ramakrishna loved Kaali as this is indicated by the > > > > *Moon > > > > > > in Lagna in Aquarius*. This was His upaasita devata (Upasana or > > > > > > penance deity). We can also say that as the Moon (in Aq = Kaali) > > > > joins > > > > > > the 9th Lord, this devata form was associated with a temple. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= > > ========= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Sarada Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Sarada Ma, the atmakaraka Moon is in > > > > Sagittarius > > > > > > navamsa. The ista devata is seen in the 12th house Scorpio > > which is > > > > > > empty and its lord Ketu joins AK Moon. Sri Sarada Ma has said > > that > > > > she > > > > > > is *Bagala* [this is Her statement]. This is seen from the > > energy of > > > > > > Scorpio brought by Ketu to the AK Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Mercury also conjoins the AK Moon and the Ista > > planet Ketu > > > > > > thereby indicating Sodasi (Tripura sundari). Sri Ramakrishna > > saw Her > > > > > > as Sodasi and also worshipped Her as such. Therefore it is > > clear that > > > > > > Sri Sarada Ma is a dual manifestation of both Sri Bagalamukhi > > and Sri > > > > > > Tripurasundari and these are Her ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apply narasimha Theory. The AK Moon is in Gemini Vimsamssa > > and the > > > > > > 12th house is Taurus indicating the Ista devata as Lakshmi. > > > > Definitely > > > > > > wrong approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > > > > ========= ======== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Swami Vivekanada, the Atmakaraka Sun is in > > > > > > Sagittarius Navamsa and the 12H from it is Scorpio with > > Jupiter in it > > > > > > indicating Shiva/Guru as Ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda worshipped Thakur with the mantra *om > > hriiM namo > > > > > > bhagavate raamakrishnaaya* [see the first letters of each > line of > > > > > > Ramakrishna stotra, the mantra is hidden in there]. Thakur > > > > ramakrishna > > > > > > was His Ista devata and was Shiva for Him, protector, > teacher and > > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Applying Narasimha AK Vimsamsa theory, the Sun is in Pisces > > and 12H > > > > > > is having Rahu and Ketu and giving me arguments like Durga and > > > > ganesha > > > > > > as Ista for Him is not going to work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > > > > ========= ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How God/Ista devata helps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Ramakrishna, the Ista Devata Sun is in > > > > > > Sagittarius navamsa ...both the two souls who made the > Ramakrishna > > > > > > Mission happen - Swami Vivekanada and Sarada ma, had AK in > > > > Sagittarius > > > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality > > (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > The message that Pt Rath was commenting on > > > > > > http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings/message/ 5 > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > I mentioned a formula that occurs commonly in the charts of > > spiritual > > > > > > greats, though it is not that common in regular charts. The long > > > > > > discussion on sohamsa that followed that post ignored the actual > > > > > > formula and its building blocks and focused on other things. I > > > > want to > > > > > > say more on one important building block used in that formula. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chapter called " kaarakaamsa phala " in BPHS, Parasara > > mentioned > > > > > > the deities worshipped based on the planets in the 12th from > > > > > > kaarakaamsha. For example, Sun in 12th from AK shows a > > worshipper of > > > > > > Shiva and Moon in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of Gouri. > > > > > > > > > > > > The term " kaarakaamsa " means " AK's amsa " . Amsa only means > > division. > > > > > > Which amsa or division is Parasara referring to? > > > > > > > > > > > > Though people jumped to the conclusion that amsa means > navaamsa by > > > > > > default, there is one more important thing to consider here. > > At the > > > > > > onset itself, Parasara clarified which amsas (divisions) are > > used for > > > > > > which purposes. He clearly said " upaasanaayaaH viGYaanaM > saadhyaM > > > > > > viMshati bhaagake " , meaning " the knowledge of one's worship and > > > > > > spiritual practices is possible in D-20 " . > > > > > > > > > > > > If, having said that at the onset, he defines which deities are > > > > > > worshipped based on the 12th house from AK in an " amsa " , can > > the amsa > > > > > > in question be anything other than D-20?! After all, he > > clearly said > > > > > > one's upaasanaa is seen from D-20. So the principles laid out > > > > later by > > > > > > Parasara for upaasanaa *must* be referring to D-20 by " amsa " and > > > > *not* > > > > > > D-9 as people normally take. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > People faithfully follow tradition and suggest specific ishta > > devatas > > > > > > to people. However, had some spiritual greats who were > > liberated by > > > > > > the grace of a deity come to us, we would've probably > prescribed a > > > > > > different deity to them. There are several examples and I will > > > > share a > > > > > > few here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter > > (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > > > > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > > > > things > > > > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara > (Jupiter) is > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at > > Dakshineshwar > > > > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > > > > material world). > > > > > > > > > > > > Such logic is unreasonable. Bottomline is that Ramakrishna > > revered > > > > and > > > > > > surrendered to mother Kaali. He saw her in an idol, in a > cat, in a > > > > > > flower, in the entire creation and in the light that fills the > > entire > > > > > > universe. The one who appears scary to several was a > beautiful and > > > > > > loving mother to him and She guided his life completely and > > liberated > > > > > > him. Even before entering nirvikalpa samadhi (a state beyond > > forms, > > > > > > including the Kaali form), he asked Kaali for permission. That > > shows > > > > > > what Kaali meant to him! If Jyotish principles you use show > > Raama or > > > > > > Taaraa as his ishta devata, probably your knowledge is > > incomplete or > > > > > > incorrect. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Sg in D-9 and Sc is > > empty. > > > > > > Mars and Ketu own it. One would've suggested Narasimha or > > Bagalamukhi > > > > > > for Mars or Matsyavatara or Dhumavati for Ketu. Her life too was > > > > > > guided (and liberated) by mother Kaali. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Sg. Jupiter is > > in 12th > > > > > > and Mars owns it. One would've suggested Vaamana or Taaraa for > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > or Narasimha or Bagalamukhi for Mars. Swamiji was into Gayatri > > mantra > > > > > > and Chandipath. He saw Kaali as a girl and talked to her for > > most of > > > > > > the second half of his life and derived his energy from her. He > > > > > > remarked in his last few days that the girl Kaali who was > > around him > > > > > > and giving him energy was no longer visible. If one has saayujya > > > > > > (togetherness) of a deity while living and the deity is > constantly > > > > > > guiding one, that definitely must be one's ishta devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > For Ramana Maharshi, 12th from AK Moon contains Ketu in > > navamsa and > > > > > > Venus owns and aspects 12th. However, he obtained liberation > > > > guided by > > > > > > Shiva at Arunachalam. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > If we cannot see the correct deity in the case of spiritual > > giants > > > > who > > > > > > succeeded by surrendering to a specific deity, what good are our > > > > > > principles and how well can we guide people? > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest going back to Parasara and using D-20 instead of > > D-9. There > > > > > > is one special point when Rahu is AK. > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets have argala on the 3rd, 10th and 12th houses from them. > > > > > > Parasara taught that these houses are counted > > *anti-zodiacally* when > > > > > > we find the argala of *Rahu and Ketu* on various signs and > > planets. > > > > > > This makes sense intuitively, as Rahu and Ketu move > > anti-zodiacally. > > > > > > What Rahu considers as the 1st or 2nd house from him would be > > > > based on > > > > > > his anti-zodiacal movement. If 0-30 deg from the longitude of > > Mars is > > > > > > 1st house from Mars, 30-60 deg from the longitude of Mars is 2nd > > > > house > > > > > > from Mars and so on, as Parasara taught in BPHS, then > 360-330 deg > > > > from > > > > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 1st house from Rahu and 330-300 > > deg from > > > > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 2nd house from Rahu and so on. > > Even in > > > > > > the evaluation of chara karakas, Parasara mentioned subtracting > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > progress in sign from 30 deg and that is consistent with this > > entire > > > > > > philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, I conclude that houses should be reckoned > > anti-zodiacally from > > > > > > Rahu, if Rahu is AK. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let us revisit previous examples. I am using Jagannatha > > > > ayanamsa. > > > > > > I will stick to Parasara's approach and build on it, rather > > than use > > > > > > the list of dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. For example, Sun > shows > > > > > > Shiva according to Parasara, when influencing the 12th from > AK in > > > > amsa > > > > > > (D-20). I will not take Sun to show Rama or Maatangi. Instead of > > > > > > trying to see trees without checking if we are in the right > > forest, > > > > > > let us first focus on seeing the forest. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in > > D-20. The > > > > > > 12th house counted anti-zodiacally is Aq, owned by Saturn and > > Rahu, > > > > > > who are together with Ketu in Cp. As per Parasara, Rahu (and > also > > > > > > Saturn sometimes) shows taamasik deities such as Durga > ( " taamasIm > > > > > > durgaaM " , said Parasara) and ugra devatas. Out of the deities > > listed > > > > > > by Parasara, this is the group that Kaali would fall in. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Ta in D-20. The 12th > > house > > > > > > is Ar, owned by Mars. Mars is with Saturn in Aq and both > > aspect Ar. > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu also aspect it. The influence of Aq, Saturn and > > Rahu is > > > > > > coming again, like in Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Again Kaali is > > fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Pi in D-20. The > > 12th > > > > > > from him is Aq containing Rahu and Ketu and Saturn owns it. > > Again, > > > > the > > > > > > same influence as the above two charts is seen, which makes > sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > See, the three of them have the same influences on the 12th from > > > > AK in > > > > > > D-20! > > > > > > > > > > > > Just to contrast, let us take another sishya of Ramakrishna > > > > > > Paramahamsa, who was a Vaishnava. Take Swami Trigunatitananda > > (1865 > > > > > > Jan 30, 9:26 pm LMT, Naora, India). AK Jupiter is in Cn In > > D-20. The > > > > > > 12th is Ge and is empty. Only Saturn aspects it from Vi. > > Mercury owns > > > > > > Ge. The influence of Mercury and Saturn according to Parasara > > shows a > > > > > > devotee of Vishnu. Swami Trigunatitananda was indeed a > Vaishnava. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Srila Prabhupada, AK Rahu is in Sg. The 12th > > from him > > > > > > reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp. Its lord Saturn is in Gemini > owned > > > > > > Mercury and aspected by Mercury. Saturn and Mercury show > > Vaishnavas. > > > > > > He realized god through his surrender to Krishna, a form of > > Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Tridandi Chinna Jeeyar Swami (in the parampara of > > > > > > Ramanujacharya) , AK Moon is in Cn in D-20. The 12th house Ge is > > > > owned > > > > > > by Mercury and Saturn occupies it. He has realized whatever > he has > > > > > > realized so far, through devotion to Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Ramana Maharshi, AK Moon is in Aq in D-20. > The 12th > > > > > > from him is Cp. It is empty. Jupiter with nodes in a > friendly sign > > > > > > aspects it. Parasara emphasized connection with Ketu in his > > formulas > > > > > > for 12th from AK. So, we will take Jupiter's aspect on Cp to > > be more > > > > > > important than Saturn's ownership. Jupiter shows Shiva. Ramana > > > > > > Maharshi was devoted to Shiva at Arunachalam and realized Self. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, AK Saturn is in > > Cp in > > > > > > D-20. The 12th from him is owned by Jupiter. He too was > devoted to > > > > > > Shiva and realized Self. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take Prof. K.S. Krishnamoorthy (1908 November 1, 12:11 pm IST, > > > > > > Thiruvaiyaru) , the inventer of KP. His AK Rahu is in Sc in > > D-20. The > > > > > > 12th from it reckoned anti-zodiacally is Sg. Its lord Jupiter is > > > > in Sc > > > > > > with 4 other planets. The strongest influence there is that of > > Ketu. > > > > > > Moreover, Sg is Ketu's exaltation sign. He was devoted to > > Ganapathi. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take a person with birthdata 1968 March 19 evening, India. AK > > Saturn > > > > > > is in Vi in D-20. The 12th lord from him is in a Martian sign. > > > > Mars in > > > > > > moolatrikona is aspecting 12th and 12th lord. His dominating > > > > influence > > > > > > suggests Kartikeya. He indeed practiced a Subrahmanya mantra > > and had > > > > > > several mystical experiences and making good progress towards > > > > realization. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Ramakrishnananda (disciple of Ramakrishna > > > > > > Paramahamsa) , steadfast devotion to spiritual master was the > > > > > > liberating factor. He constantly served Ramakrishna when he > > was here > > > > > > and worshipped his relics everyday without fail after he left. > > > > Once he > > > > > > requested Ramakrishna for some spiritual experiences, seeing the > > > > > > experiences and ecstasy of other disciples. When Ramakrishna > > said, " I > > > > > > can do that. But you will not be able to serve me after > that " , he > > > > > > withdrew his request and said he was then not interested in any > > > > > > experiences! He became liberated through complete surrender, > > perfect > > > > > > devotion and tireless service to his guru. He was born on 1863 > > > > July 13 > > > > > > at 4:56 am LMT at Ichchapur, India. His AK Sun is in Aq in D-20. > > > > There > > > > > > are 3 planets in Cp, but only Jupiter is in the 12th house > > from Sun, > > > > > > based on Sun's divisional longitude in D-20. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Paramahamsa Yogananda (of kriya yoga and > > > > > > " Self-Realization Fellowship " and author of " Autobiography of a > > > > > > Yogi " ), AK Venus is in Ar in D-20. The 12th from him is owned by > > > > > > Jupiter, who joins nodes. Jupiter can show Shiva, but he can > also > > > > show > > > > > > surrender to a great guru, like in the above example. > Paramahamsa > > > > > > Yogananda may have worshipped several deities, but his > > surrender to > > > > > > his guru Yukteshwar Maharaj (whom he met at 17) and guru > parampara > > > > > > (from Mahavatar Babaji) is what liberated him. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > You can see that I am sticking to the basic classification > > instead of > > > > > > using dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. If the 12th from AK in > > navamsa > > > > > > has Jupiter, some suggest Vaamana and some suggest Taaraa, while > > > > > > Pararsara said Shiva. It is important to see the forest > first and > > > > then > > > > > > try to see the trees. Clearly, Parasara's indications in > BPHS show > > > > > > that the 12th from AK in amsa (D-20) is meant to see the forest > > > > (Shiva > > > > > > or Vishnu or Gouri or Kartikeya etc). Seeing the specific > form of > > > > > > Vishnu or Shiva or Gouri etc must be from other modifying > > factors. I > > > > > > will not go into that. But, I want to emphasize that going > > into trees > > > > > > without making sure you are in the right forest is not so wise! > > > > > > > > > > > > There seem to be corruptions in our current knowledge. Going > > back to > > > > > > Parasara faithfully, thinking logically and simplifying things > > > > will be > > > > > > helpful in getting more consistent results, in many areas. > > Unless the > > > > > > principles one uses are verified based on reliable data (e.g. > > charts > > > > > > of people who indeed made great spiritual progress by > > worshipping a > > > > > > specific deity), they just remain theoretical and their utility > > > > > > questionable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > homam > > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > tarpana > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Aum Namo Bhagavathe Vaasudevaya Respected Rafalji,  Thank you for the response and other insightful explanations too for the same thread.  Thanks Best Regards Lalitha v --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Graha Arudha vedic astrology Monday, November 9, 2009, 7:43 AM  /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ Dear Lalitha Just reverse to normal arudha. Treat Lagnesh as Lagna, and Lagna as Lagnesh and count the arudha. Example: I have Mithuna Lagna with Budha in forth house. If we put the Lagna in forth house and Lagnesh in Mithuna then Arudha will be in forth from Kanya ie. Dhanus. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru ------------ -- /*Consultations & Pages* http://rohinaa. com rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com starsuponme@ wp.pl / Lalitha Vuppaladadiyam pisze: > > > Aum Namo Bhagavathe Vaasudevaya > > Respected Rafalji, > > Can you please explain how to determine Graha Arudha in a chart? > > Thank you > Best Regards > lalitha v > > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl > <starsuponme %40wp.pl> > wrote: > > Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl <starsuponme %40wp.pl> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Graha Arudha > vedic astrology > <vedic- astrology% 40. com> > Monday, November 9, 2009, 3:06 AM > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > Dear Rohinranjan, > > My Guruji doesnt disagree with Sanjayji. I have clarified it in the 2nd > mail. > > In Hitler's chart both Arudha and Grahaarudha will be influenced most by > Suryaputr which in Cancer/Tenth bhava gives Rajayoga of high order. This > gives the image of Indra, which can be spoiled due to Shani being enemy > of Moon (popularity) . > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > ------------ -- > /*Consultations & Pages* > http://rohinaa. com > rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com > starsuponme@ wp.pl / > > rohinicrystal pisze: > > > > > > Very interesting indeed, Mr. Gendarz! > > > > Could I impose upon your valuable time and request you to explain that > > using Hitler's chart? > > > > Thanks in advance for your kindness! > > > > RR_, > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > Dear Rohinranjan, > > > > > > Yes, my Guruji and Sanjayji often has different opinions on various > > > matters. > > > > > > This comes from my Guruji: > > > > > > * graha arudha shows how other see you and you may be not concious > > > about it > > > * arudha pada shows how you project yourself in the society - which > > > often is seen like that by others in consequence - this is fully > > > concious. > > > > > > These are very shallow definitions and there is much more when it > comes > > > to graha arudha and arudha lagna. Graha arudhas are analysed to see > > > Lagna of our friends, enemies and also beside many other things to > time > > > the demise. > > > > > > In my example my Lagnesh is Budha in forth house (mithuna lagna) which > > > makes Arudha sitting in forth house (matri bhava) in Kanya. > Grahaarudha > > > is in the seventh house with Pisaca yoga (Ma/Ke) in seventh house > > > (vivaha bhava). > > > > > > It means that I project myself as writer and I think I do this in very > > > peaceful way (Budha = ahimsa) but often people criticize me for being > > > too harsh or argumentative which is the quality of Mangal being in > > graha > > > arudha of Lagnadhipati. > > > > > > This way the karma works. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > ------------ -- > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> > > > rafal > > > starsuponme@ ... / > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm... Mr. Gendarz: What you wrote sounds opposite to what PVR wrote > > > > in his Integrated Astrology! > > > > > > > > He described Graha Arudha as being the way the nativity views the > > > > different things, so Graha Arudha of Lagnesh will 'show' or describe > > > > how the nativity sees him/herself, whereas, the arudha of lagna > > > > (house) will show how others perceive the Nativity. > > > > > > > > Maybe, that is what you meant or perhaps with time, the implications > > > > have gotten modified! > > > > > > > > Please clarify. Thanks! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > > Dear Lalitha, > > > > > > > > > > Just like the arudha of houses are the external manifestation of > > bhava, > > > > > graha arudha shows the point where the planet will show the > > > > > manifestation. For example graha arudha of lagnesh will show how > > > > other's > > > > > percieve the native, so its like the traces which stays after some > > > > > action is done by the actual Lagnadhipati. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com>> > > > > > rafal@ > > > > > starsuponme@ ... / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalitha Vuppaladadiyam pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Namo Bhagavathe Vaasudevaya > > > > > > > > > > > > Poojya Gurujis, > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anybody please explain what is meant by Graha Arudha? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > lalitha v > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ > > > > > > <pvr% 40charter. net>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ <pvr% 40charter. net>> > > > > > > [vedic astrology] The 12th from AK and 9th from > AK-arudha > > > > > > JyotishWritings > > > > <JyotishWrit ings%40grou ps.com> > > > > > > <JyotishWrit ings%40grou ps.com>, > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com> <vedic- > > astrology% > > > > 40. com> > > > > > > Cc: > > > > <JyotishGrou p%40. com> <JyotishGrou > > > > p%40. com> > > > > > > Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > I sent a writeup titled " On Seeing Deities from the 12th from > > > > > > Karakamsa " with many examples sometime back. I reproduced that > > > > writeup > > > > > > at the end of this email for easy reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > The enclosed critique on that writeup was posted by Pt Rath on > > > > sohamsa > > > > > > list recently and it was forwarded to me by a friend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove > himself > > > > > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. > > Now as > > > > > > > per Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than > Rahu > > > > > > > becomes AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon > > indicating > > > > > > > the Ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > I clearly wrote (see the article at the end): " In the case of > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt Rath missed the explicitly stated fact that I also took > > Rahu as AK > > > > > > and not " another planet other than Rahu " as he *imagined* > > above. Pt > > > > > > Rath also missed the explicitly stated fact that I count houses > > > > > > anti-zodiacally from Rahu. Pt Rath missed the fact that I do > > not try > > > > > > to see the trees without seeing the forest first and I do not > > look > > > > for > > > > > > dasa mahavidyas or dasavatara lists and use the basic list of > > > > Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > Given the factual errors in attributing things to me above, > it is > > > > > > clear that Pt Rath proceeded to critique my views without > reading > > > > them! > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Criticizing someone's view without reading it properly (let > alone > > > > > > giving it due consideration! ) and based on one's own > > > > *imagination* of > > > > > > what the other person is saying, demonstrates a *desperation* to > > > > > > criticize. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarada Mata's Moon is not in Ge in D-20, but in Ta, if one uses > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > ayanamsa or Jagannatha ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt Rath said that " Ramakrishna Paramahamsa " is the " ishta > > devata " of > > > > > > Vivekananda. But my view is that Ramakrishna Paramahamsa is > > his guru. > > > > > > Many Hindu saints explicitly worship guru with a mantra. But > that > > > > does > > > > > > not make guru their " ishta devata " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda saw Kaali as a small girl throughout the second > > half of > > > > > > his life, talked to her as a person and was guided by her. He > > said he > > > > > > stopped seeing her a few days before leaving his body. If that > > does > > > > > > not make her his ishta devata, I do not know what will! > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding " Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory " , Parasara explicitly > > gave the > > > > > > criteria to decide when to use 7 chara karakas and when to use 8 > > > > chara > > > > > > karakas. Both KN Rao group that uses 7 chara karakas always > and Pt > > > > > > Rath group that uses 8 chara karakas in human charts always > are in > > > > > > violation of Parasara's explicit teaching. > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha made an effort to understand and share the > understanding > > > > > > (http://vedicastrolo ger.org/articles /c_karaka. pdf). His view > > > > may or > > > > > > may not be perfect, but it is closer to Parasara's teaching. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality > > (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > > > > > > > Parasara asked to see the deity one worships from the 12th > > from AK's > > > > > > amsa and NOT what one " esablishes " . Pt Rath is trying to > deviate > > > > from > > > > > > Parasara and see everything from the 12th from AK! > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view, dasamsa is the chart for one's activities and > > > > > > accomplishments ( " mahatphalam " is seen in D-10, according to > > > > > > Parasara). AK shows the soul and the *graha arudha* of AK > > should show > > > > > > how the soul manifests to the world. After all, one's mission or > > > > > > achievement is an attribute of the *manifestation* of one's > > soul to > > > > > > the world. The 9th house from the graha arudha of AK in D-10 > could > > > > > > indicate what the world views as a major mission > (dharma/duty) of > > > > > > one's soul. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda and Sarada Mata had graha arudha of AK in Cn in > > D-10. The > > > > > > 9th was in Pisces showing establishing Vedanta and other > > knowledge of > > > > > > rishis. As another example, graha arudha of AK in Aurobindo's > > D-10 is > > > > > > in Ar. The 9th from there has Sg with Ketu in it, showing > > > > > > establishment of dharma and Vedic knowledge. As another example, > > > > graha > > > > > > arudha of AK in Ramana Maharshi's D-10 is in Sc. The 9th house > > > > > > contains exalted Jupiter and shows teaching sublime Vedic > truths. > > > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati had graha arudha of AK in Li > > and the > > > > > > 9th again had Jupiter in Ge, showing establishment and > > lecturing of > > > > > > Vedic knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > All these saints have Jupiter involved. As a comparison, see > other > > > > > > kinds of charts. Bill Gates has AK Saturn in Cn, his graha > > arudha in > > > > > > Ar and the 9th has Mercury (knowledge, communications and > > computing). > > > > > > Adolf Hitler has AK Venus in Sg, his graha arudha in Li and > > the 9th > > > > > > from it has Sun (power). Composer A.R. Rahman (of Jai ho fame) > > has AK > > > > > > Sun in Cn, his graha arudha in Ta (empty) and its lord Venus > > exalted > > > > > > (music and artistic creativity). > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, the mission and what one achieves and establishes in > > one's life > > > > > > may be better seen from the 9th from the graha arudha of AK in > > D-10, > > > > > > than from the 12th house from AK in navamsa or vimsamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > When we extrapolate things not mentioned by rishis, we need > to be > > > > > > intelligent and consistent. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > homam > > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > tarpana > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri > tings > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@ > > ...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha Theory #1: Ista devata is to be seen from the > Vimsamsa > > > > > > instead of the Navamsa chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The arguments given were the charts of Sri Ramakrishna besides > > > > others - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter > > (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > > > > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > > > > things > > > > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara > (Jupiter) is > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at > > Dakshineshwar > > > > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > > > > material world). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us examine the Vimsamsa and Navamsa charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In both the charts the atmakaraka Rahu is in Capricorn and > > the 12th > > > > > > house in both the charts is the same with the difference being > > that > > > > > > the Sun in Sagittarius is in the 12H from Karakamsa in D9 > > while the > > > > > > 12H from karakamsa in D20 is empty. How does the 12H from > > karakamsa > > > > > > show Kaali? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove > himself > > > > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now > > as per > > > > > > Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu > > becomes > > > > > > AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating the > > Ista > > > > devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding Parashara is another cup of tea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vimsamsa, the *form* of the devata that one loves will > > come into > > > > > > the picture. Ramakrishna loved Kaali as this is indicated by the > > > > *Moon > > > > > > in Lagna in Aquarius*. This was His upaasita devata (Upasana or > > > > > > penance deity). We can also say that as the Moon (in Aq = Kaali) > > > > joins > > > > > > the 9th Lord, this devata form was associated with a temple. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= > > ========= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Sarada Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Sarada Ma, the atmakaraka Moon is in > > > > Sagittarius > > > > > > navamsa. The ista devata is seen in the 12th house Scorpio > > which is > > > > > > empty and its lord Ketu joins AK Moon. Sri Sarada Ma has said > > that > > > > she > > > > > > is *Bagala* [this is Her statement]. This is seen from the > > energy of > > > > > > Scorpio brought by Ketu to the AK Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Mercury also conjoins the AK Moon and the Ista > > planet Ketu > > > > > > thereby indicating Sodasi (Tripura sundari). Sri Ramakrishna > > saw Her > > > > > > as Sodasi and also worshipped Her as such. Therefore it is > > clear that > > > > > > Sri Sarada Ma is a dual manifestation of both Sri Bagalamukhi > > and Sri > > > > > > Tripurasundari and these are Her ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apply narasimha Theory. The AK Moon is in Gemini Vimsamssa > > and the > > > > > > 12th house is Taurus indicating the Ista devata as Lakshmi. > > > > Definitely > > > > > > wrong approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > > > > ========= ======== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Swami Vivekanada, the Atmakaraka Sun is in > > > > > > Sagittarius Navamsa and the 12H from it is Scorpio with > > Jupiter in it > > > > > > indicating Shiva/Guru as Ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda worshipped Thakur with the mantra *om > > hriiM namo > > > > > > bhagavate raamakrishnaaya* [see the first letters of each > line of > > > > > > Ramakrishna stotra, the mantra is hidden in there]. Thakur > > > > ramakrishna > > > > > > was His Ista devata and was Shiva for Him, protector, > teacher and > > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Applying Narasimha AK Vimsamsa theory, the Sun is in Pisces > > and 12H > > > > > > is having Rahu and Ketu and giving me arguments like Durga and > > > > ganesha > > > > > > as Ista for Him is not going to work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > > > > ========= ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How God/Ista devata helps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Ramakrishna, the Ista Devata Sun is in > > > > > > Sagittarius navamsa ...both the two souls who made the > Ramakrishna > > > > > > Mission happen - Swami Vivekanada and Sarada ma, had AK in > > > > Sagittarius > > > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality > > (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > The message that Pt Rath was commenting on > > > > > > http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings/message/ 5 > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > I mentioned a formula that occurs commonly in the charts of > > spiritual > > > > > > greats, though it is not that common in regular charts. The long > > > > > > discussion on sohamsa that followed that post ignored the actual > > > > > > formula and its building blocks and focused on other things. I > > > > want to > > > > > > say more on one important building block used in that formula. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chapter called " kaarakaamsa phala " in BPHS, Parasara > > mentioned > > > > > > the deities worshipped based on the planets in the 12th from > > > > > > kaarakaamsha. For example, Sun in 12th from AK shows a > > worshipper of > > > > > > Shiva and Moon in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of Gouri. > > > > > > > > > > > > The term " kaarakaamsa " means " AK's amsa " . Amsa only means > > division. > > > > > > Which amsa or division is Parasara referring to? > > > > > > > > > > > > Though people jumped to the conclusion that amsa means > navaamsa by > > > > > > default, there is one more important thing to consider here. > > At the > > > > > > onset itself, Parasara clarified which amsas (divisions) are > > used for > > > > > > which purposes. He clearly said " upaasanaayaaH viGYaanaM > saadhyaM > > > > > > viMshati bhaagake " , meaning " the knowledge of one's worship and > > > > > > spiritual practices is possible in D-20 " . > > > > > > > > > > > > If, having said that at the onset, he defines which deities are > > > > > > worshipped based on the 12th house from AK in an " amsa " , can > > the amsa > > > > > > in question be anything other than D-20?! After all, he > > clearly said > > > > > > one's upaasanaa is seen from D-20. So the principles laid out > > > > later by > > > > > > Parasara for upaasanaa *must* be referring to D-20 by " amsa " and > > > > *not* > > > > > > D-9 as people normally take. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > People faithfully follow tradition and suggest specific ishta > > devatas > > > > > > to people. However, had some spiritual greats who were > > liberated by > > > > > > the grace of a deity come to us, we would've probably > prescribed a > > > > > > different deity to them. There are several examples and I will > > > > share a > > > > > > few here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter > > (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > > > > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > > > > things > > > > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara > (Jupiter) is > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at > > Dakshineshwar > > > > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > > > > material world). > > > > > > > > > > > > Such logic is unreasonable. Bottomline is that Ramakrishna > > revered > > > > and > > > > > > surrendered to mother Kaali. He saw her in an idol, in a > cat, in a > > > > > > flower, in the entire creation and in the light that fills the > > entire > > > > > > universe. The one who appears scary to several was a > beautiful and > > > > > > loving mother to him and She guided his life completely and > > liberated > > > > > > him. Even before entering nirvikalpa samadhi (a state beyond > > forms, > > > > > > including the Kaali form), he asked Kaali for permission. That > > shows > > > > > > what Kaali meant to him! If Jyotish principles you use show > > Raama or > > > > > > Taaraa as his ishta devata, probably your knowledge is > > incomplete or > > > > > > incorrect. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Sg in D-9 and Sc is > > empty. > > > > > > Mars and Ketu own it. One would've suggested Narasimha or > > Bagalamukhi > > > > > > for Mars or Matsyavatara or Dhumavati for Ketu. Her life too was > > > > > > guided (and liberated) by mother Kaali. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Sg. Jupiter is > > in 12th > > > > > > and Mars owns it. One would've suggested Vaamana or Taaraa for > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > or Narasimha or Bagalamukhi for Mars. Swamiji was into Gayatri > > mantra > > > > > > and Chandipath. He saw Kaali as a girl and talked to her for > > most of > > > > > > the second half of his life and derived his energy from her. He > > > > > > remarked in his last few days that the girl Kaali who was > > around him > > > > > > and giving him energy was no longer visible. If one has saayujya > > > > > > (togetherness) of a deity while living and the deity is > constantly > > > > > > guiding one, that definitely must be one's ishta devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > For Ramana Maharshi, 12th from AK Moon contains Ketu in > > navamsa and > > > > > > Venus owns and aspects 12th. However, he obtained liberation > > > > guided by > > > > > > Shiva at Arunachalam. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > If we cannot see the correct deity in the case of spiritual > > giants > > > > who > > > > > > succeeded by surrendering to a specific deity, what good are our > > > > > > principles and how well can we guide people? > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest going back to Parasara and using D-20 instead of > > D-9. There > > > > > > is one special point when Rahu is AK. > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets have argala on the 3rd, 10th and 12th houses from them. > > > > > > Parasara taught that these houses are counted > > *anti-zodiacally* when > > > > > > we find the argala of *Rahu and Ketu* on various signs and > > planets. > > > > > > This makes sense intuitively, as Rahu and Ketu move > > anti-zodiacally. > > > > > > What Rahu considers as the 1st or 2nd house from him would be > > > > based on > > > > > > his anti-zodiacal movement. If 0-30 deg from the longitude of > > Mars is > > > > > > 1st house from Mars, 30-60 deg from the longitude of Mars is 2nd > > > > house > > > > > > from Mars and so on, as Parasara taught in BPHS, then > 360-330 deg > > > > from > > > > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 1st house from Rahu and 330-300 > > deg from > > > > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 2nd house from Rahu and so on. > > Even in > > > > > > the evaluation of chara karakas, Parasara mentioned subtracting > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > progress in sign from 30 deg and that is consistent with this > > entire > > > > > > philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, I conclude that houses should be reckoned > > anti-zodiacally from > > > > > > Rahu, if Rahu is AK. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let us revisit previous examples. I am using Jagannatha > > > > ayanamsa. > > > > > > I will stick to Parasara's approach and build on it, rather > > than use > > > > > > the list of dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. For example, Sun > shows > > > > > > Shiva according to Parasara, when influencing the 12th from > AK in > > > > amsa > > > > > > (D-20). I will not take Sun to show Rama or Maatangi. Instead of > > > > > > trying to see trees without checking if we are in the right > > forest, > > > > > > let us first focus on seeing the forest. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in > > D-20. The > > > > > > 12th house counted anti-zodiacally is Aq, owned by Saturn and > > Rahu, > > > > > > who are together with Ketu in Cp. As per Parasara, Rahu (and > also > > > > > > Saturn sometimes) shows taamasik deities such as Durga > ( " taamasIm > > > > > > durgaaM " , said Parasara) and ugra devatas. Out of the deities > > listed > > > > > > by Parasara, this is the group that Kaali would fall in. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Ta in D-20. The 12th > > house > > > > > > is Ar, owned by Mars. Mars is with Saturn in Aq and both > > aspect Ar. > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu also aspect it. The influence of Aq, Saturn and > > Rahu is > > > > > > coming again, like in Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Again Kaali is > > fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Pi in D-20. The > > 12th > > > > > > from him is Aq containing Rahu and Ketu and Saturn owns it. > > Again, > > > > the > > > > > > same influence as the above two charts is seen, which makes > sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > See, the three of them have the same influences on the 12th from > > > > AK in > > > > > > D-20! > > > > > > > > > > > > Just to contrast, let us take another sishya of Ramakrishna > > > > > > Paramahamsa, who was a Vaishnava. Take Swami Trigunatitananda > > (1865 > > > > > > Jan 30, 9:26 pm LMT, Naora, India). AK Jupiter is in Cn In > > D-20. The > > > > > > 12th is Ge and is empty. Only Saturn aspects it from Vi. > > Mercury owns > > > > > > Ge. The influence of Mercury and Saturn according to Parasara > > shows a > > > > > > devotee of Vishnu. Swami Trigunatitananda was indeed a > Vaishnava. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Srila Prabhupada, AK Rahu is in Sg. The 12th > > from him > > > > > > reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp. Its lord Saturn is in Gemini > owned > > > > > > Mercury and aspected by Mercury. Saturn and Mercury show > > Vaishnavas. > > > > > > He realized god through his surrender to Krishna, a form of > > Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Tridandi Chinna Jeeyar Swami (in the parampara of > > > > > > Ramanujacharya) , AK Moon is in Cn in D-20. The 12th house Ge is > > > > owned > > > > > > by Mercury and Saturn occupies it. He has realized whatever > he has > > > > > > realized so far, through devotion to Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Ramana Maharshi, AK Moon is in Aq in D-20. > The 12th > > > > > > from him is Cp. It is empty. Jupiter with nodes in a > friendly sign > > > > > > aspects it. Parasara emphasized connection with Ketu in his > > formulas > > > > > > for 12th from AK. So, we will take Jupiter's aspect on Cp to > > be more > > > > > > important than Saturn's ownership. Jupiter shows Shiva. Ramana > > > > > > Maharshi was devoted to Shiva at Arunachalam and realized Self. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, AK Saturn is in > > Cp in > > > > > > D-20. The 12th from him is owned by Jupiter. He too was > devoted to > > > > > > Shiva and realized Self. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take Prof. K.S. Krishnamoorthy (1908 November 1, 12:11 pm IST, > > > > > > Thiruvaiyaru) , the inventer of KP. His AK Rahu is in Sc in > > D-20. The > > > > > > 12th from it reckoned anti-zodiacally is Sg. Its lord Jupiter is > > > > in Sc > > > > > > with 4 other planets. The strongest influence there is that of > > Ketu. > > > > > > Moreover, Sg is Ketu's exaltation sign. He was devoted to > > Ganapathi. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take a person with birthdata 1968 March 19 evening, India. AK > > Saturn > > > > > > is in Vi in D-20. The 12th lord from him is in a Martian sign. > > > > Mars in > > > > > > moolatrikona is aspecting 12th and 12th lord. His dominating > > > > influence > > > > > > suggests Kartikeya. He indeed practiced a Subrahmanya mantra > > and had > > > > > > several mystical experiences and making good progress towards > > > > realization. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Ramakrishnananda (disciple of Ramakrishna > > > > > > Paramahamsa) , steadfast devotion to spiritual master was the > > > > > > liberating factor. He constantly served Ramakrishna when he > > was here > > > > > > and worshipped his relics everyday without fail after he left. > > > > Once he > > > > > > requested Ramakrishna for some spiritual experiences, seeing the > > > > > > experiences and ecstasy of other disciples. When Ramakrishna > > said, " I > > > > > > can do that. But you will not be able to serve me after > that " , he > > > > > > withdrew his request and said he was then not interested in any > > > > > > experiences! He became liberated through complete surrender, > > perfect > > > > > > devotion and tireless service to his guru. He was born on 1863 > > > > July 13 > > > > > > at 4:56 am LMT at Ichchapur, India. His AK Sun is in Aq in D-20. > > > > There > > > > > > are 3 planets in Cp, but only Jupiter is in the 12th house > > from Sun, > > > > > > based on Sun's divisional longitude in D-20. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Paramahamsa Yogananda (of kriya yoga and > > > > > > " Self-Realization Fellowship " and author of " Autobiography of a > > > > > > Yogi " ), AK Venus is in Ar in D-20. The 12th from him is owned by > > > > > > Jupiter, who joins nodes. Jupiter can show Shiva, but he can > also > > > > show > > > > > > surrender to a great guru, like in the above example. > Paramahamsa > > > > > > Yogananda may have worshipped several deities, but his > > surrender to > > > > > > his guru Yukteshwar Maharaj (whom he met at 17) and guru > parampara > > > > > > (from Mahavatar Babaji) is what liberated him. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > You can see that I am sticking to the basic classification > > instead of > > > > > > using dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. If the 12th from AK in > > navamsa > > > > > > has Jupiter, some suggest Vaamana and some suggest Taaraa, while > > > > > > Pararsara said Shiva. It is important to see the forest > first and > > > > then > > > > > > try to see the trees. Clearly, Parasara's indications in > BPHS show > > > > > > that the 12th from AK in amsa (D-20) is meant to see the forest > > > > (Shiva > > > > > > or Vishnu or Gouri or Kartikeya etc). Seeing the specific > form of > > > > > > Vishnu or Shiva or Gouri etc must be from other modifying > > factors. I > > > > > > will not go into that. But, I want to emphasize that going > > into trees > > > > > > without making sure you are in the right forest is not so wise! > > > > > > > > > > > > There seem to be corruptions in our current knowledge. Going > > back to > > > > > > Parasara faithfully, thinking logically and simplifying things > > > > will be > > > > > > helpful in getting more consistent results, in many areas. > > Unless the > > > > > > principles one uses are verified based on reliable data (e.g. > > charts > > > > > > of people who indeed made great spiritual progress by > > worshipping a > > > > > > specific deity), they just remain theoretical and their utility > > > > > > questionable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > homam > > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > tarpana > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Dear Rohiniranjan and others, I do hold independent views in several areas, but what you read in my book regarding graha arudhas is not my independent view. What I wrote about graha arudhas was what Pt Rath explicitly taught me then. The teachings were modified by him in later years, as happened with some other topics. * * * I was first taught explicitly by Pt Rath that bhava arudhas show the world's view of the native and graha arudhas show native's view of the world. That is what went into my book. Next, I was taught explicitly by Pt Rath that bhava arudhas show tangible inanimate objects related to a bhava, while graha arudhas of bhava lords show tangible " animate/intelligent " persons related to a bhava. What Rafal quoted from his " guruji " below, who according to him has the same opinion as Pt Rath, is yet another view. It says graha arudhas show how world sees you (but you may not be conscious of it) and bhava arudhas show how you consciously project yourself for the world to see you. * * * In the beginning, I assumed that whatever was taught by Pt Rath was knowledge tried and tested in a parampara for centuries. That is why I confidently put it in a book without questioning it or doing my own research. As time progressed, I found many holes and leaps of faith in his logic, many contradictions and inconsistencies. I kept giving him the benefit of doubt and kept assuming that there was something subtle that I was missing or he was holding some things back for future as I was not ready. Gradually, it became clear to me that he was simply making a lot of things up and reinventing himself as he went on. I discovered over the time that what I was taught was a mixture of: (1) a few gems from tradition that work nicely, (2) a lot of half-baked knowledge with roots in tradition but corrupted to varying degrees, and, (3) many wayward concepts thought of by an unreliable intuition in impulses and shared hastily without much balanced validation. It took me several years to get a grip on the situation and convince myself of my assessment. It took me several more years to do something about it, i.e. take conflicting teachings and see which ones make sense, reconcile with the words of rishis and do independent research. My book was written a decade ago when I was at the *very beginning* of this process of evolution. So there is a lot in it that I do not agree with anymore. My apologies for misleading. * * * Having weighed various of Pt Rath's teachings on this issue, contemplated on this issue and experimented over the years, my view in this matter is as follows. Bhava means that which is there (from the Sanskrit root - bhoo, i.e. to be). Graha means that which grabs [the consciousness]. Pada means an a symbol or a word or a tangible expression. Bhavas (houses) show various *inanimate* things, objects and situations. Grahas (planets) are the *animation* and intelligence (feelings, emotions, thoughts, motives etc) that interact with bhavas, enliven them and drive them to give the fruits of previous karmas. This animation/intelligence is what grabs various inanimate things/situations and animates them. Arudha pada of a bhava shows how those inanimate things and situations manifest externally in a tangible way. Arudha pada of a graha shows how the intelligence and animation (feelings, emotions, thoughts etc) represented by that planet manifest externally in a tangible way. For example, 4th house shows vehicles and happiness from vehicles. The facility to move is an inanimate situation shown by 4th house. The actual physical vehicle is a tangible/external inanimate object that reflects this. So A4 (bhava arudha pada of 4th house) shows it. The 4th lord shows the [internal] attitude towards the facility to move [and vehicle]. It shows the feeling and thinking with which one approaches the situation represented by the 4th house. How happy or sad or proud or ashamed or attached one feels towards one's vehicle, for example, is seen from the 4th lord. Finally, the feeling and thinking with which one *seems* to the world to approach the situation represented by the 4th house is is seen from the graha arudha of the 4th lord. How happy or sad or proud or ashamed or attached one seems to the world to feel towards one's vehicle is seen from it. Lagna shows the very being, arudha lagna shows how one's being (and conduct) comes across, lagna lord shows the thoughts, motives and intelligence driving one's being and graha arudha of lagna lord shows how the world views the thoughts, motives and intelligence driving one's being. * * * Let me take the Hitler example asked by you. AL is in Cn with Saturn in it and Mars aspecting it. His conduct comes across as being sensitive (Cn), unhappy (Saturn) and determined (Mars). Graha arudha of lagna lord Venus may be taken by some in Cp (Li is in 7th from Venus. Taking 7th from Li, we get Ar. Because 1st/7th from the planet are not allowed, take the 10th from Ar and land in Cp). However, Parasara's directive is to take the stronger sign owned by a planet. He did not define two graha arudhas of a planet based on the two signs owned (Ta and Li for Venus here), though JHora gives that also (select " Choose a view " in the pop-up menu on a chart and select " Dual graha arudha view " to get 2 graha arudhas for planets owning 2 signs). As per Parasara's definition, we take Ta as the stronger sign owned by Venus and get graha arudha of Venus is in Ge. Rahu in the graha arudha of lagna lord means that the world sees Rahu-like *motives and thinking* behind his personality and conduct. * * * Let us take some more examples. George W Bush had AL in Sc with Ketu in it. His personality and conduct comes across as being secretive (Sc) and erratic (Ketu) to some and determined (Sc) and spiritual (Ketu) to some (BTW, Ketu is strong). His lagna lord's graha arudha is in Ta with Rahu in it. Again world sees Rahu-like motives and thinking driving his personality and conduct. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had AL and the graha arudha of lagna lord in Ge with Jupiter in it. His conduct and personality, as well as motives and thinking behind it, were seen to be influenced by Ge (idealistic, articulate) and Jupiter (teacher, wisdom). Swami Vivekananda had AL in Le and with Mercury and Venus having 3/4th aspect on it. He came across as a regal (Le), learned, eloquent (Mercury) and charming (Venus) person. Graha arudha of lagna lord was Aq, aspected fully by Jupiter. The motivations and thinking behind his personality were seen by the world to be influenced by Aq (philosopher) and Jupiter (teacher, wisdom). However, it is the graha arudha of AK that is the strongest reference in his chart (stronger than lagna, lagna lord, AL and graha arudha of lagna lord). Graha arudha of AK Sun is in Ar with Mars in it. While lagna lord shows the thinking, motivation and intelligence behind one's being and conduct, AK soul and its mission. Graha arudha of AK shows how the world views one's soul and its mission. Taking the graha arudha of AK as reference, we have Guru-Mangala yoga, yoga of 1st and 9th lords, on 1st/7th. It shows that the world views him as a soul who came to lead (Mars) a dharmik mission (9th lord Jupiter). JFK had AL in Sc aspected fully by Sun, Venus and Jupiter. His personality and conduct may be seen as being determined and inspirational (Sc), generous (Sun), charming (Venus in own sign) and wise (Jupiter). Graha arudha of lagna lord was in Le with Moon in it. World may see some regal (Le) and compassionate (Moon) motives and thoughts driving his personality. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Very interesting indeed, Mr. Gendarz! > > Could I impose upon your valuable time and request you to explain that using Hitler's chart? > > Thanks in advance for your kindness! > > RR_, > > vedic astrology , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > Dear Rohinranjan, > > > Small correction to make it clear: Sanjayji and my Guruji has different > opinions than PVR Narasimhaji on various matters regarding Jyotish. > > > > Yes, my Guruji and Sanjayji often has different opinions on various > > matters. > > > > This comes from my Guruji: > > > > * graha arudha shows how other see you and you may be not concious > > about it > > * arudha pada shows how you project yourself in the society - which > > often is seen like that by others in consequence - this is fully > > concious. > > > > These are very shallow definitions and there is much more when it comes > > to graha arudha and arudha lagna. Graha arudhas are analysed to see > > Lagna of our friends, enemies and also beside many other things to time > > the demise. > > > > In my example my Lagnesh is Budha in forth house (mithuna lagna) which > > makes Arudha sitting in forth house (matri bhava) in Kanya. Grahaarudha > > is in the seventh house with Pisaca yoga (Ma/Ke) in seventh house > > (vivaha bhava). > > > > It means that I project myself as writer and I think I do this in very > > peaceful way (Budha = ahimsa) but often people criticize me for being > > too harsh or argumentative which is the quality of Mangal being in graha > > arudha of Lagnadhipati. > > > > This way the karma works. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > -------------- > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > http://rohinaa.com > > rafal@ > > starsuponme@ / > > > > > > rohinicrystal pisze: > > > > > > > > > Hmm... Mr. Gendarz: What you wrote sounds opposite to what PVR wrote > > > in his Integrated Astrology! > > > > > > He described Graha Arudha as being the way the nativity views the > > > different things, so Graha Arudha of Lagnesh will 'show' or describe > > > how the nativity sees him/herself, whereas, the arudha of lagna > > > (house) will show how others perceive the Nativity. > > > > > > Maybe, that is what you meant or perhaps with time, the implications > > > have gotten modified! > > > > > > Please clarify. Thanks! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology%40>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > Dear Lalitha, > > > > > > > > Just like the arudha of houses are the external manifestation of bhava, > > > > graha arudha shows the point where the planet will show the > > > > manifestation. For example graha arudha of lagnesh will show how > > > other's > > > > percieve the native, so its like the traces which stays after some > > > > action is done by the actual Lagnadhipati. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > ------------ -- > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> > > > > rafal@ > > > > starsuponme@ ... / > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalitha Vuppaladadiyam pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Namo Bhagavathe Vaasudevaya > > > > > > > > > > Poojya Gurujis, > > > > > > > > > > Can anybody please explain what is meant by Graha Arudha? > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > lalitha v > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ > > > > > <pvr% 40charter. net>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ <pvr% 40charter. net>> > > > > > [vedic astrology] The 12th from AK and 9th from AK-arudha > > > > > JyotishWritings > > > <JyotishWritings%40> > > > > > <JyotishWrit ings%40grou ps.com>, > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology%40> <vedic- astrology% > > > 40. com> > > > > > Cc: > > > <%40> <JyotishGrou > > > p%40. com> > > > > > Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > I sent a writeup titled " On Seeing Deities from the 12th from > > > > > Karakamsa " with many examples sometime back. I reproduced that > > > writeup > > > > > at the end of this email for easy reference. > > > > > > > > > > The enclosed critique on that writeup was posted by Pt Rath on > > > sohamsa > > > > > list recently and it was forwarded to me by a friend. > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > > > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now as > > > > > > per Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu > > > > > > becomes AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating > > > > > > the Ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > I clearly wrote (see the article at the end): " In the case of > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. " > > > > > > > > > > Pt Rath missed the explicitly stated fact that I also took Rahu as AK > > > > > and not " another planet other than Rahu " as he *imagined* above. Pt > > > > > Rath also missed the explicitly stated fact that I count houses > > > > > anti-zodiacally from Rahu. Pt Rath missed the fact that I do not try > > > > > to see the trees without seeing the forest first and I do not look > > > for > > > > > dasa mahavidyas or dasavatara lists and use the basic list of > > > Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > Given the factual errors in attributing things to me above, it is > > > > > clear that Pt Rath proceeded to critique my views without reading > > > them! > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > Criticizing someone's view without reading it properly (let alone > > > > > giving it due consideration! ) and based on one's own > > > *imagination* of > > > > > what the other person is saying, demonstrates a *desperation* to > > > > > criticize. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > Sarada Mata's Moon is not in Ge in D-20, but in Ta, if one uses > > > Lahiri > > > > > ayanamsa or Jagannatha ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > Pt Rath said that " Ramakrishna Paramahamsa " is the " ishta devata " of > > > > > Vivekananda. But my view is that Ramakrishna Paramahamsa is his guru. > > > > > Many Hindu saints explicitly worship guru with a mantra. But that > > > does > > > > > not make guru their " ishta devata " . > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda saw Kaali as a small girl throughout the second half of > > > > > his life, talked to her as a person and was guided by her. He said he > > > > > stopped seeing her a few days before leaving his body. If that does > > > > > not make her his ishta devata, I do not know what will! > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > Regarding " Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory " , Parasara explicitly gave the > > > > > criteria to decide when to use 7 chara karakas and when to use 8 > > > chara > > > > > karakas. Both KN Rao group that uses 7 chara karakas always and Pt > > > > > Rath group that uses 8 chara karakas in human charts always are in > > > > > violation of Parasara's explicit teaching. > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha made an effort to understand and share the understanding > > > > > (http://vedicastrolo ger.org/articles /c_karaka. pdf). His view > > > may or > > > > > may not be perfect, but it is closer to Parasara's teaching. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > > > > > Parasara asked to see the deity one worships from the 12th from AK's > > > > > amsa and NOT what one " esablishes " . Pt Rath is trying to deviate > > > from > > > > > Parasara and see everything from the 12th from AK! > > > > > > > > > > In my view, dasamsa is the chart for one's activities and > > > > > accomplishments ( " mahatphalam " is seen in D-10, according to > > > > > Parasara). AK shows the soul and the *graha arudha* of AK should show > > > > > how the soul manifests to the world. After all, one's mission or > > > > > achievement is an attribute of the *manifestation* of one's soul to > > > > > the world. The 9th house from the graha arudha of AK in D-10 could > > > > > indicate what the world views as a major mission (dharma/duty) of > > > > > one's soul. > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda and Sarada Mata had graha arudha of AK in Cn in D-10. The > > > > > 9th was in Pisces showing establishing Vedanta and other knowledge of > > > > > rishis. As another example, graha arudha of AK in Aurobindo's D-10 is > > > > > in Ar. The 9th from there has Sg with Ketu in it, showing > > > > > establishment of dharma and Vedic knowledge. As another example, > > > graha > > > > > arudha of AK in Ramana Maharshi's D-10 is in Sc. The 9th house > > > > > contains exalted Jupiter and shows teaching sublime Vedic truths. > > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati had graha arudha of AK in Li and the > > > > > 9th again had Jupiter in Ge, showing establishment and lecturing of > > > > > Vedic knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > All these saints have Jupiter involved. As a comparison, see other > > > > > kinds of charts. Bill Gates has AK Saturn in Cn, his graha arudha in > > > > > Ar and the 9th has Mercury (knowledge, communications and computing). > > > > > Adolf Hitler has AK Venus in Sg, his graha arudha in Li and the 9th > > > > > from it has Sun (power). Composer A.R. Rahman (of Jai ho fame) has AK > > > > > Sun in Cn, his graha arudha in Ta (empty) and its lord Venus exalted > > > > > (music and artistic creativity). > > > > > > > > > > Thus, the mission and what one achieves and establishes in one's life > > > > > may be better seen from the 9th from the graha arudha of AK in D-10, > > > > > than from the 12th house from AK in navamsa or vimsamsa. > > > > > > > > > > When we extrapolate things not mentioned by rishis, we need to be > > > > > intelligent and consistent. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@ ...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha Theory #1: Ista devata is to be seen from the Vimsamsa > > > > > instead of the Navamsa chart > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > The arguments given were the charts of Sri Ramakrishna besides > > > others - > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > > > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > > > things > > > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at Dakshineshwar > > > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > > > material world). > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us examine the Vimsamsa and Navamsa charts > > > > > > > > > > > > In both the charts the atmakaraka Rahu is in Capricorn and the 12th > > > > > house in both the charts is the same with the difference being that > > > > > the Sun in Sagittarius is in the 12H from Karakamsa in D9 while the > > > > > 12H from karakamsa in D20 is empty. How does the 12H from karakamsa > > > > > show Kaali? > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now as per > > > > > Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu becomes > > > > > AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating the Ista > > > devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding Parashara is another cup of tea. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vimsamsa, the *form* of the devata that one loves will come into > > > > > the picture. Ramakrishna loved Kaali as this is indicated by the > > > *Moon > > > > > in Lagna in Aquarius*. This was His upaasita devata (Upasana or > > > > > penance deity). We can also say that as the Moon (in Aq = Kaali) > > > joins > > > > > the 9th Lord, this devata form was associated with a temple. > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Sarada Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Sarada Ma, the atmakaraka Moon is in > > > Sagittarius > > > > > navamsa. The ista devata is seen in the 12th house Scorpio which is > > > > > empty and its lord Ketu joins AK Moon. Sri Sarada Ma has said that > > > she > > > > > is *Bagala* [this is Her statement]. This is seen from the energy of > > > > > Scorpio brought by Ketu to the AK Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Mercury also conjoins the AK Moon and the Ista planet Ketu > > > > > thereby indicating Sodasi (Tripura sundari). Sri Ramakrishna saw Her > > > > > as Sodasi and also worshipped Her as such. Therefore it is clear that > > > > > Sri Sarada Ma is a dual manifestation of both Sri Bagalamukhi and Sri > > > > > Tripurasundari and these are Her ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > Apply narasimha Theory. The AK Moon is in Gemini Vimsamssa and the > > > > > 12th house is Taurus indicating the Ista devata as Lakshmi. > > > Definitely > > > > > wrong approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > > > ========= ======== > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Swami Vivekanada, the Atmakaraka Sun is in > > > > > Sagittarius Navamsa and the 12H from it is Scorpio with Jupiter in it > > > > > indicating Shiva/Guru as Ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda worshipped Thakur with the mantra *om hriiM namo > > > > > bhagavate raamakrishnaaya* [see the first letters of each line of > > > > > Ramakrishna stotra, the mantra is hidden in there]. Thakur > > > ramakrishna > > > > > was His Ista devata and was Shiva for Him, protector, teacher and > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > Applying Narasimha AK Vimsamsa theory, the Sun is in Pisces and 12H > > > > > is having Rahu and Ketu and giving me arguments like Durga and > > > ganesha > > > > > as Ista for Him is not going to work. > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > > > ========= ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > How God/Ista devata helps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Ramakrishna, the Ista Devata Sun is in > > > > > Sagittarius navamsa ...both the two souls who made the Ramakrishna > > > > > Mission happen - Swami Vivekanada and Sarada ma, had AK in > > > Sagittarius > > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > The message that Pt Rath was commenting on > > > > > http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings/message/ 5 > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > I mentioned a formula that occurs commonly in the charts of spiritual > > > > > greats, though it is not that common in regular charts. The long > > > > > discussion on sohamsa that followed that post ignored the actual > > > > > formula and its building blocks and focused on other things. I > > > want to > > > > > say more on one important building block used in that formula. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > In the chapter called " kaarakaamsa phala " in BPHS, Parasara mentioned > > > > > the deities worshipped based on the planets in the 12th from > > > > > kaarakaamsha. For example, Sun in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of > > > > > Shiva and Moon in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of Gouri. > > > > > > > > > > The term " kaarakaamsa " means " AK's amsa " . Amsa only means division. > > > > > Which amsa or division is Parasara referring to? > > > > > > > > > > Though people jumped to the conclusion that amsa means navaamsa by > > > > > default, there is one more important thing to consider here. At the > > > > > onset itself, Parasara clarified which amsas (divisions) are used for > > > > > which purposes. He clearly said " upaasanaayaaH viGYaanaM saadhyaM > > > > > viMshati bhaagake " , meaning " the knowledge of one's worship and > > > > > spiritual practices is possible in D-20 " . > > > > > > > > > > If, having said that at the onset, he defines which deities are > > > > > worshipped based on the 12th house from AK in an " amsa " , can the amsa > > > > > in question be anything other than D-20?! After all, he clearly said > > > > > one's upaasanaa is seen from D-20. So the principles laid out > > > later by > > > > > Parasara for upaasanaa *must* be referring to D-20 by " amsa " and > > > *not* > > > > > D-9 as people normally take. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > People faithfully follow tradition and suggest specific ishta devatas > > > > > to people. However, had some spiritual greats who were liberated by > > > > > the grace of a deity come to us, we would've probably prescribed a > > > > > different deity to them. There are several examples and I will > > > share a > > > > > few here. > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > > > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > > > things > > > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at Dakshineshwar > > > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > > > material world). > > > > > > > > > > Such logic is unreasonable. Bottomline is that Ramakrishna revered > > > and > > > > > surrendered to mother Kaali. He saw her in an idol, in a cat, in a > > > > > flower, in the entire creation and in the light that fills the entire > > > > > universe. The one who appears scary to several was a beautiful and > > > > > loving mother to him and She guided his life completely and liberated > > > > > him. Even before entering nirvikalpa samadhi (a state beyond forms, > > > > > including the Kaali form), he asked Kaali for permission. That shows > > > > > what Kaali meant to him! If Jyotish principles you use show Raama or > > > > > Taaraa as his ishta devata, probably your knowledge is incomplete or > > > > > incorrect. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Sg in D-9 and Sc is empty. > > > > > Mars and Ketu own it. One would've suggested Narasimha or Bagalamukhi > > > > > for Mars or Matsyavatara or Dhumavati for Ketu. Her life too was > > > > > guided (and liberated) by mother Kaali. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Sg. Jupiter is in 12th > > > > > and Mars owns it. One would've suggested Vaamana or Taaraa for > > > Jupiter > > > > > or Narasimha or Bagalamukhi for Mars. Swamiji was into Gayatri mantra > > > > > and Chandipath. He saw Kaali as a girl and talked to her for most of > > > > > the second half of his life and derived his energy from her. He > > > > > remarked in his last few days that the girl Kaali who was around him > > > > > and giving him energy was no longer visible. If one has saayujya > > > > > (togetherness) of a deity while living and the deity is constantly > > > > > guiding one, that definitely must be one's ishta devata. > > > > > > > > > > For Ramana Maharshi, 12th from AK Moon contains Ketu in navamsa and > > > > > Venus owns and aspects 12th. However, he obtained liberation > > > guided by > > > > > Shiva at Arunachalam. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > If we cannot see the correct deity in the case of spiritual giants > > > who > > > > > succeeded by surrendering to a specific deity, what good are our > > > > > principles and how well can we guide people? > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > I suggest going back to Parasara and using D-20 instead of D-9. There > > > > > is one special point when Rahu is AK. > > > > > > > > > > Planets have argala on the 3rd, 10th and 12th houses from them. > > > > > Parasara taught that these houses are counted *anti-zodiacally* when > > > > > we find the argala of *Rahu and Ketu* on various signs and planets. > > > > > This makes sense intuitively, as Rahu and Ketu move anti-zodiacally. > > > > > What Rahu considers as the 1st or 2nd house from him would be > > > based on > > > > > his anti-zodiacal movement. If 0-30 deg from the longitude of Mars is > > > > > 1st house from Mars, 30-60 deg from the longitude of Mars is 2nd > > > house > > > > > from Mars and so on, as Parasara taught in BPHS, then 360-330 deg > > > from > > > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 1st house from Rahu and 330-300 deg from > > > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 2nd house from Rahu and so on. Even in > > > > > the evaluation of chara karakas, Parasara mentioned subtracting > > > Rahu's > > > > > progress in sign from 30 deg and that is consistent with this entire > > > > > philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > Thus, I conclude that houses should be reckoned anti-zodiacally from > > > > > Rahu, if Rahu is AK. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > Now, let us revisit previous examples. I am using Jagannatha > > > ayanamsa. > > > > > I will stick to Parasara's approach and build on it, rather than use > > > > > the list of dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. For example, Sun shows > > > > > Shiva according to Parasara, when influencing the 12th from AK in > > > amsa > > > > > (D-20). I will not take Sun to show Rama or Maatangi. Instead of > > > > > trying to see trees without checking if we are in the right forest, > > > > > let us first focus on seeing the forest. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. The > > > > > 12th house counted anti-zodiacally is Aq, owned by Saturn and Rahu, > > > > > who are together with Ketu in Cp. As per Parasara, Rahu (and also > > > > > Saturn sometimes) shows taamasik deities such as Durga ( " taamasIm > > > > > durgaaM " , said Parasara) and ugra devatas. Out of the deities listed > > > > > by Parasara, this is the group that Kaali would fall in. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Ta in D-20. The 12th house > > > > > is Ar, owned by Mars. Mars is with Saturn in Aq and both aspect Ar. > > > > > Rahu and Ketu also aspect it. The influence of Aq, Saturn and Rahu is > > > > > coming again, like in Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Again Kaali is fine. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Pi in D-20. The 12th > > > > > from him is Aq containing Rahu and Ketu and Saturn owns it. Again, > > > the > > > > > same influence as the above two charts is seen, which makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > See, the three of them have the same influences on the 12th from > > > AK in > > > > > D-20! > > > > > > > > > > Just to contrast, let us take another sishya of Ramakrishna > > > > > Paramahamsa, who was a Vaishnava. Take Swami Trigunatitananda (1865 > > > > > Jan 30, 9:26 pm LMT, Naora, India). AK Jupiter is in Cn In D-20. The > > > > > 12th is Ge and is empty. Only Saturn aspects it from Vi. Mercury owns > > > > > Ge. The influence of Mercury and Saturn according to Parasara shows a > > > > > devotee of Vishnu. Swami Trigunatitananda was indeed a Vaishnava. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Srila Prabhupada, AK Rahu is in Sg. The 12th from him > > > > > reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp. Its lord Saturn is in Gemini owned > > > > > Mercury and aspected by Mercury. Saturn and Mercury show Vaishnavas. > > > > > He realized god through his surrender to Krishna, a form of Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Tridandi Chinna Jeeyar Swami (in the parampara of > > > > > Ramanujacharya) , AK Moon is in Cn in D-20. The 12th house Ge is > > > owned > > > > > by Mercury and Saturn occupies it. He has realized whatever he has > > > > > realized so far, through devotion to Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Ramana Maharshi, AK Moon is in Aq in D-20. The 12th > > > > > from him is Cp. It is empty. Jupiter with nodes in a friendly sign > > > > > aspects it. Parasara emphasized connection with Ketu in his formulas > > > > > for 12th from AK. So, we will take Jupiter's aspect on Cp to be more > > > > > important than Saturn's ownership. Jupiter shows Shiva. Ramana > > > > > Maharshi was devoted to Shiva at Arunachalam and realized Self. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, AK Saturn is in Cp in > > > > > D-20. The 12th from him is owned by Jupiter. He too was devoted to > > > > > Shiva and realized Self. > > > > > > > > > > Take Prof. K.S. Krishnamoorthy (1908 November 1, 12:11 pm IST, > > > > > Thiruvaiyaru) , the inventer of KP. His AK Rahu is in Sc in D-20. The > > > > > 12th from it reckoned anti-zodiacally is Sg. Its lord Jupiter is > > > in Sc > > > > > with 4 other planets. The strongest influence there is that of Ketu. > > > > > Moreover, Sg is Ketu's exaltation sign. He was devoted to Ganapathi. > > > > > > > > > > Take a person with birthdata 1968 March 19 evening, India. AK Saturn > > > > > is in Vi in D-20. The 12th lord from him is in a Martian sign. > > > Mars in > > > > > moolatrikona is aspecting 12th and 12th lord. His dominating > > > influence > > > > > suggests Kartikeya. He indeed practiced a Subrahmanya mantra and had > > > > > several mystical experiences and making good progress towards > > > realization. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Ramakrishnananda (disciple of Ramakrishna > > > > > Paramahamsa) , steadfast devotion to spiritual master was the > > > > > liberating factor. He constantly served Ramakrishna when he was here > > > > > and worshipped his relics everyday without fail after he left. > > > Once he > > > > > requested Ramakrishna for some spiritual experiences, seeing the > > > > > experiences and ecstasy of other disciples. When Ramakrishna said, " I > > > > > can do that. But you will not be able to serve me after that " , he > > > > > withdrew his request and said he was then not interested in any > > > > > experiences! He became liberated through complete surrender, perfect > > > > > devotion and tireless service to his guru. He was born on 1863 > > > July 13 > > > > > at 4:56 am LMT at Ichchapur, India. His AK Sun is in Aq in D-20. > > > There > > > > > are 3 planets in Cp, but only Jupiter is in the 12th house from Sun, > > > > > based on Sun's divisional longitude in D-20. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Paramahamsa Yogananda (of kriya yoga and > > > > > " Self-Realization Fellowship " and author of " Autobiography of a > > > > > Yogi " ), AK Venus is in Ar in D-20. The 12th from him is owned by > > > > > Jupiter, who joins nodes. Jupiter can show Shiva, but he can also > > > show > > > > > surrender to a great guru, like in the above example. Paramahamsa > > > > > Yogananda may have worshipped several deities, but his surrender to > > > > > his guru Yukteshwar Maharaj (whom he met at 17) and guru parampara > > > > > (from Mahavatar Babaji) is what liberated him. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > You can see that I am sticking to the basic classification instead of > > > > > using dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. If the 12th from AK in navamsa > > > > > has Jupiter, some suggest Vaamana and some suggest Taaraa, while > > > > > Pararsara said Shiva. It is important to see the forest first and > > > then > > > > > try to see the trees. Clearly, Parasara's indications in BPHS show > > > > > that the 12th from AK in amsa (D-20) is meant to see the forest > > > (Shiva > > > > > or Vishnu or Gouri or Kartikeya etc). Seeing the specific form of > > > > > Vishnu or Shiva or Gouri etc must be from other modifying factors. I > > > > > will not go into that. But, I want to emphasize that going into trees > > > > > without making sure you are in the right forest is not so wise! > > > > > > > > > > There seem to be corruptions in our current knowledge. Going back to > > > > > Parasara faithfully, thinking logically and simplifying things > > > will be > > > > > helpful in getting more consistent results, in many areas. Unless the > > > > > principles one uses are verified based on reliable data (e.g. charts > > > > > of people who indeed made great spiritual progress by worshipping a > > > > > specific deity), they just remain theoretical and their utility > > > > > questionable. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Thanks Mr. Gendarz! You are so kind! Your sharing about your own chart was very interesting too, but why did you focus on mars but ignored or forgot to include KETU's influence (which I believe makes this Pishacha yoga?) in what you were trying to explain! RR_, vedic astrology , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > Dear Rohinranjan, > > My Guruji doesnt disagree with Sanjayji. I have clarified it in the 2nd > mail. > > In Hitler's chart both Arudha and Grahaarudha will be influenced most by > Suryaputr which in Cancer/Tenth bhava gives Rajayoga of high order. This > gives the image of Indra, which can be spoiled due to Shani being enemy > of Moon (popularity). > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > -------------- > /*Consultations & Pages* > http://rohinaa.com > rafal > starsuponme / > > > rohinicrystal pisze: > > > > > > Very interesting indeed, Mr. Gendarz! > > > > Could I impose upon your valuable time and request you to explain that > > using Hitler's chart? > > > > Thanks in advance for your kindness! > > > > RR_, > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > Dear Rohinranjan, > > > > > > Yes, my Guruji and Sanjayji often has different opinions on various > > > matters. > > > > > > This comes from my Guruji: > > > > > > * graha arudha shows how other see you and you may be not concious > > > about it > > > * arudha pada shows how you project yourself in the society - which > > > often is seen like that by others in consequence - this is fully > > > concious. > > > > > > These are very shallow definitions and there is much more when it comes > > > to graha arudha and arudha lagna. Graha arudhas are analysed to see > > > Lagna of our friends, enemies and also beside many other things to time > > > the demise. > > > > > > In my example my Lagnesh is Budha in forth house (mithuna lagna) which > > > makes Arudha sitting in forth house (matri bhava) in Kanya. Grahaarudha > > > is in the seventh house with Pisaca yoga (Ma/Ke) in seventh house > > > (vivaha bhava). > > > > > > It means that I project myself as writer and I think I do this in very > > > peaceful way (Budha = ahimsa) but often people criticize me for being > > > too harsh or argumentative which is the quality of Mangal being in > > graha > > > arudha of Lagnadhipati. > > > > > > This way the karma works. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > ------------ -- > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> > > > rafal@ > > > starsuponme@ ... / > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm... Mr. Gendarz: What you wrote sounds opposite to what PVR wrote > > > > in his Integrated Astrology! > > > > > > > > He described Graha Arudha as being the way the nativity views the > > > > different things, so Graha Arudha of Lagnesh will 'show' or describe > > > > how the nativity sees him/herself, whereas, the arudha of lagna > > > > (house) will show how others perceive the Nativity. > > > > > > > > Maybe, that is what you meant or perhaps with time, the implications > > > > have gotten modified! > > > > > > > > Please clarify. Thanks! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > > Dear Lalitha, > > > > > > > > > > Just like the arudha of houses are the external manifestation of > > bhava, > > > > > graha arudha shows the point where the planet will show the > > > > > manifestation. For example graha arudha of lagnesh will show how > > > > other's > > > > > percieve the native, so its like the traces which stays after some > > > > > action is done by the actual Lagnadhipati. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com>> > > > > > rafal@ > > > > > starsuponme@ ... / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalitha Vuppaladadiyam pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Namo Bhagavathe Vaasudevaya > > > > > > > > > > > > Poojya Gurujis, > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anybody please explain what is meant by Graha Arudha? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > lalitha v > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ > > > > > > <pvr% 40charter. net>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ <pvr% 40charter. net>> > > > > > > [vedic astrology] The 12th from AK and 9th from AK-arudha > > > > > > JyotishWritings > > > > <JyotishWrit ings%40grou ps.com> > > > > > > <JyotishWrit ings%40grou ps.com>, > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com> <vedic- > > astrology% > > > > 40. com> > > > > > > Cc: > > > > <JyotishGrou p%40. com> <JyotishGrou > > > > p%40. com> > > > > > > Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > I sent a writeup titled " On Seeing Deities from the 12th from > > > > > > Karakamsa " with many examples sometime back. I reproduced that > > > > writeup > > > > > > at the end of this email for easy reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > The enclosed critique on that writeup was posted by Pt Rath on > > > > sohamsa > > > > > > list recently and it was forwarded to me by a friend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > > > > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. > > Now as > > > > > > > per Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu > > > > > > > becomes AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon > > indicating > > > > > > > the Ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > I clearly wrote (see the article at the end): " In the case of > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt Rath missed the explicitly stated fact that I also took > > Rahu as AK > > > > > > and not " another planet other than Rahu " as he *imagined* > > above. Pt > > > > > > Rath also missed the explicitly stated fact that I count houses > > > > > > anti-zodiacally from Rahu. Pt Rath missed the fact that I do > > not try > > > > > > to see the trees without seeing the forest first and I do not > > look > > > > for > > > > > > dasa mahavidyas or dasavatara lists and use the basic list of > > > > Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > Given the factual errors in attributing things to me above, it is > > > > > > clear that Pt Rath proceeded to critique my views without reading > > > > them! > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Criticizing someone's view without reading it properly (let alone > > > > > > giving it due consideration! ) and based on one's own > > > > *imagination* of > > > > > > what the other person is saying, demonstrates a *desperation* to > > > > > > criticize. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarada Mata's Moon is not in Ge in D-20, but in Ta, if one uses > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > ayanamsa or Jagannatha ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt Rath said that " Ramakrishna Paramahamsa " is the " ishta > > devata " of > > > > > > Vivekananda. But my view is that Ramakrishna Paramahamsa is > > his guru. > > > > > > Many Hindu saints explicitly worship guru with a mantra. But that > > > > does > > > > > > not make guru their " ishta devata " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda saw Kaali as a small girl throughout the second > > half of > > > > > > his life, talked to her as a person and was guided by her. He > > said he > > > > > > stopped seeing her a few days before leaving his body. If that > > does > > > > > > not make her his ishta devata, I do not know what will! > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding " Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory " , Parasara explicitly > > gave the > > > > > > criteria to decide when to use 7 chara karakas and when to use 8 > > > > chara > > > > > > karakas. Both KN Rao group that uses 7 chara karakas always and Pt > > > > > > Rath group that uses 8 chara karakas in human charts always are in > > > > > > violation of Parasara's explicit teaching. > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha made an effort to understand and share the understanding > > > > > > (http://vedicastrolo ger.org/articles /c_karaka. pdf). His view > > > > may or > > > > > > may not be perfect, but it is closer to Parasara's teaching. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality > > (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > > > > > > > Parasara asked to see the deity one worships from the 12th > > from AK's > > > > > > amsa and NOT what one " esablishes " . Pt Rath is trying to deviate > > > > from > > > > > > Parasara and see everything from the 12th from AK! > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view, dasamsa is the chart for one's activities and > > > > > > accomplishments ( " mahatphalam " is seen in D-10, according to > > > > > > Parasara). AK shows the soul and the *graha arudha* of AK > > should show > > > > > > how the soul manifests to the world. After all, one's mission or > > > > > > achievement is an attribute of the *manifestation* of one's > > soul to > > > > > > the world. The 9th house from the graha arudha of AK in D-10 could > > > > > > indicate what the world views as a major mission (dharma/duty) of > > > > > > one's soul. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda and Sarada Mata had graha arudha of AK in Cn in > > D-10. The > > > > > > 9th was in Pisces showing establishing Vedanta and other > > knowledge of > > > > > > rishis. As another example, graha arudha of AK in Aurobindo's > > D-10 is > > > > > > in Ar. The 9th from there has Sg with Ketu in it, showing > > > > > > establishment of dharma and Vedic knowledge. As another example, > > > > graha > > > > > > arudha of AK in Ramana Maharshi's D-10 is in Sc. The 9th house > > > > > > contains exalted Jupiter and shows teaching sublime Vedic truths. > > > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati had graha arudha of AK in Li > > and the > > > > > > 9th again had Jupiter in Ge, showing establishment and > > lecturing of > > > > > > Vedic knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > All these saints have Jupiter involved. As a comparison, see other > > > > > > kinds of charts. Bill Gates has AK Saturn in Cn, his graha > > arudha in > > > > > > Ar and the 9th has Mercury (knowledge, communications and > > computing). > > > > > > Adolf Hitler has AK Venus in Sg, his graha arudha in Li and > > the 9th > > > > > > from it has Sun (power). Composer A.R. Rahman (of Jai ho fame) > > has AK > > > > > > Sun in Cn, his graha arudha in Ta (empty) and its lord Venus > > exalted > > > > > > (music and artistic creativity). > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, the mission and what one achieves and establishes in > > one's life > > > > > > may be better seen from the 9th from the graha arudha of AK in > > D-10, > > > > > > than from the 12th house from AK in navamsa or vimsamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > When we extrapolate things not mentioned by rishis, we need to be > > > > > > intelligent and consistent. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > tarpana > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@ > > ...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha Theory #1: Ista devata is to be seen from the Vimsamsa > > > > > > instead of the Navamsa chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The arguments given were the charts of Sri Ramakrishna besides > > > > others - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter > > (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > > > > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > > > > things > > > > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at > > Dakshineshwar > > > > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > > > > material world). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us examine the Vimsamsa and Navamsa charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In both the charts the atmakaraka Rahu is in Capricorn and > > the 12th > > > > > > house in both the charts is the same with the difference being > > that > > > > > > the Sun in Sagittarius is in the 12H from Karakamsa in D9 > > while the > > > > > > 12H from karakamsa in D20 is empty. How does the 12H from > > karakamsa > > > > > > show Kaali? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > > > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now > > as per > > > > > > Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu > > becomes > > > > > > AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating the > > Ista > > > > devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding Parashara is another cup of tea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vimsamsa, the *form* of the devata that one loves will > > come into > > > > > > the picture. Ramakrishna loved Kaali as this is indicated by the > > > > *Moon > > > > > > in Lagna in Aquarius*. This was His upaasita devata (Upasana or > > > > > > penance deity). We can also say that as the Moon (in Aq = Kaali) > > > > joins > > > > > > the 9th Lord, this devata form was associated with a temple. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= > > ========= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Sarada Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Sarada Ma, the atmakaraka Moon is in > > > > Sagittarius > > > > > > navamsa. The ista devata is seen in the 12th house Scorpio > > which is > > > > > > empty and its lord Ketu joins AK Moon. Sri Sarada Ma has said > > that > > > > she > > > > > > is *Bagala* [this is Her statement]. This is seen from the > > energy of > > > > > > Scorpio brought by Ketu to the AK Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Mercury also conjoins the AK Moon and the Ista > > planet Ketu > > > > > > thereby indicating Sodasi (Tripura sundari). Sri Ramakrishna > > saw Her > > > > > > as Sodasi and also worshipped Her as such. Therefore it is > > clear that > > > > > > Sri Sarada Ma is a dual manifestation of both Sri Bagalamukhi > > and Sri > > > > > > Tripurasundari and these are Her ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apply narasimha Theory. The AK Moon is in Gemini Vimsamssa > > and the > > > > > > 12th house is Taurus indicating the Ista devata as Lakshmi. > > > > Definitely > > > > > > wrong approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > > > > ========= ======== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Swami Vivekanada, the Atmakaraka Sun is in > > > > > > Sagittarius Navamsa and the 12H from it is Scorpio with > > Jupiter in it > > > > > > indicating Shiva/Guru as Ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda worshipped Thakur with the mantra *om > > hriiM namo > > > > > > bhagavate raamakrishnaaya* [see the first letters of each line of > > > > > > Ramakrishna stotra, the mantra is hidden in there]. Thakur > > > > ramakrishna > > > > > > was His Ista devata and was Shiva for Him, protector, teacher and > > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Applying Narasimha AK Vimsamsa theory, the Sun is in Pisces > > and 12H > > > > > > is having Rahu and Ketu and giving me arguments like Durga and > > > > ganesha > > > > > > as Ista for Him is not going to work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > > > > ========= ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How God/Ista devata helps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Ramakrishna, the Ista Devata Sun is in > > > > > > Sagittarius navamsa ...both the two souls who made the Ramakrishna > > > > > > Mission happen - Swami Vivekanada and Sarada ma, had AK in > > > > Sagittarius > > > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality > > (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > The message that Pt Rath was commenting on > > > > > > http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings/message/ 5 > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > I mentioned a formula that occurs commonly in the charts of > > spiritual > > > > > > greats, though it is not that common in regular charts. The long > > > > > > discussion on sohamsa that followed that post ignored the actual > > > > > > formula and its building blocks and focused on other things. I > > > > want to > > > > > > say more on one important building block used in that formula. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chapter called " kaarakaamsa phala " in BPHS, Parasara > > mentioned > > > > > > the deities worshipped based on the planets in the 12th from > > > > > > kaarakaamsha. For example, Sun in 12th from AK shows a > > worshipper of > > > > > > Shiva and Moon in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of Gouri. > > > > > > > > > > > > The term " kaarakaamsa " means " AK's amsa " . Amsa only means > > division. > > > > > > Which amsa or division is Parasara referring to? > > > > > > > > > > > > Though people jumped to the conclusion that amsa means navaamsa by > > > > > > default, there is one more important thing to consider here. > > At the > > > > > > onset itself, Parasara clarified which amsas (divisions) are > > used for > > > > > > which purposes. He clearly said " upaasanaayaaH viGYaanaM saadhyaM > > > > > > viMshati bhaagake " , meaning " the knowledge of one's worship and > > > > > > spiritual practices is possible in D-20 " . > > > > > > > > > > > > If, having said that at the onset, he defines which deities are > > > > > > worshipped based on the 12th house from AK in an " amsa " , can > > the amsa > > > > > > in question be anything other than D-20?! After all, he > > clearly said > > > > > > one's upaasanaa is seen from D-20. So the principles laid out > > > > later by > > > > > > Parasara for upaasanaa *must* be referring to D-20 by " amsa " and > > > > *not* > > > > > > D-9 as people normally take. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > People faithfully follow tradition and suggest specific ishta > > devatas > > > > > > to people. However, had some spiritual greats who were > > liberated by > > > > > > the grace of a deity come to us, we would've probably prescribed a > > > > > > different deity to them. There are several examples and I will > > > > share a > > > > > > few here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter > > (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > > > > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > > > > things > > > > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at > > Dakshineshwar > > > > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > > > > material world). > > > > > > > > > > > > Such logic is unreasonable. Bottomline is that Ramakrishna > > revered > > > > and > > > > > > surrendered to mother Kaali. He saw her in an idol, in a cat, in a > > > > > > flower, in the entire creation and in the light that fills the > > entire > > > > > > universe. The one who appears scary to several was a beautiful and > > > > > > loving mother to him and She guided his life completely and > > liberated > > > > > > him. Even before entering nirvikalpa samadhi (a state beyond > > forms, > > > > > > including the Kaali form), he asked Kaali for permission. That > > shows > > > > > > what Kaali meant to him! If Jyotish principles you use show > > Raama or > > > > > > Taaraa as his ishta devata, probably your knowledge is > > incomplete or > > > > > > incorrect. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Sg in D-9 and Sc is > > empty. > > > > > > Mars and Ketu own it. One would've suggested Narasimha or > > Bagalamukhi > > > > > > for Mars or Matsyavatara or Dhumavati for Ketu. Her life too was > > > > > > guided (and liberated) by mother Kaali. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Sg. Jupiter is > > in 12th > > > > > > and Mars owns it. One would've suggested Vaamana or Taaraa for > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > or Narasimha or Bagalamukhi for Mars. Swamiji was into Gayatri > > mantra > > > > > > and Chandipath. He saw Kaali as a girl and talked to her for > > most of > > > > > > the second half of his life and derived his energy from her. He > > > > > > remarked in his last few days that the girl Kaali who was > > around him > > > > > > and giving him energy was no longer visible. If one has saayujya > > > > > > (togetherness) of a deity while living and the deity is constantly > > > > > > guiding one, that definitely must be one's ishta devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > For Ramana Maharshi, 12th from AK Moon contains Ketu in > > navamsa and > > > > > > Venus owns and aspects 12th. However, he obtained liberation > > > > guided by > > > > > > Shiva at Arunachalam. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > If we cannot see the correct deity in the case of spiritual > > giants > > > > who > > > > > > succeeded by surrendering to a specific deity, what good are our > > > > > > principles and how well can we guide people? > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest going back to Parasara and using D-20 instead of > > D-9. There > > > > > > is one special point when Rahu is AK. > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets have argala on the 3rd, 10th and 12th houses from them. > > > > > > Parasara taught that these houses are counted > > *anti-zodiacally* when > > > > > > we find the argala of *Rahu and Ketu* on various signs and > > planets. > > > > > > This makes sense intuitively, as Rahu and Ketu move > > anti-zodiacally. > > > > > > What Rahu considers as the 1st or 2nd house from him would be > > > > based on > > > > > > his anti-zodiacal movement. If 0-30 deg from the longitude of > > Mars is > > > > > > 1st house from Mars, 30-60 deg from the longitude of Mars is 2nd > > > > house > > > > > > from Mars and so on, as Parasara taught in BPHS, then 360-330 deg > > > > from > > > > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 1st house from Rahu and 330-300 > > deg from > > > > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 2nd house from Rahu and so on. > > Even in > > > > > > the evaluation of chara karakas, Parasara mentioned subtracting > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > progress in sign from 30 deg and that is consistent with this > > entire > > > > > > philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, I conclude that houses should be reckoned > > anti-zodiacally from > > > > > > Rahu, if Rahu is AK. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let us revisit previous examples. I am using Jagannatha > > > > ayanamsa. > > > > > > I will stick to Parasara's approach and build on it, rather > > than use > > > > > > the list of dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. For example, Sun shows > > > > > > Shiva according to Parasara, when influencing the 12th from AK in > > > > amsa > > > > > > (D-20). I will not take Sun to show Rama or Maatangi. Instead of > > > > > > trying to see trees without checking if we are in the right > > forest, > > > > > > let us first focus on seeing the forest. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in > > D-20. The > > > > > > 12th house counted anti-zodiacally is Aq, owned by Saturn and > > Rahu, > > > > > > who are together with Ketu in Cp. As per Parasara, Rahu (and also > > > > > > Saturn sometimes) shows taamasik deities such as Durga ( " taamasIm > > > > > > durgaaM " , said Parasara) and ugra devatas. Out of the deities > > listed > > > > > > by Parasara, this is the group that Kaali would fall in. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Ta in D-20. The 12th > > house > > > > > > is Ar, owned by Mars. Mars is with Saturn in Aq and both > > aspect Ar. > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu also aspect it. The influence of Aq, Saturn and > > Rahu is > > > > > > coming again, like in Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Again Kaali is > > fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Pi in D-20. The > > 12th > > > > > > from him is Aq containing Rahu and Ketu and Saturn owns it. > > Again, > > > > the > > > > > > same influence as the above two charts is seen, which makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > See, the three of them have the same influences on the 12th from > > > > AK in > > > > > > D-20! > > > > > > > > > > > > Just to contrast, let us take another sishya of Ramakrishna > > > > > > Paramahamsa, who was a Vaishnava. Take Swami Trigunatitananda > > (1865 > > > > > > Jan 30, 9:26 pm LMT, Naora, India). AK Jupiter is in Cn In > > D-20. The > > > > > > 12th is Ge and is empty. Only Saturn aspects it from Vi. > > Mercury owns > > > > > > Ge. The influence of Mercury and Saturn according to Parasara > > shows a > > > > > > devotee of Vishnu. Swami Trigunatitananda was indeed a Vaishnava. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Srila Prabhupada, AK Rahu is in Sg. The 12th > > from him > > > > > > reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp. Its lord Saturn is in Gemini owned > > > > > > Mercury and aspected by Mercury. Saturn and Mercury show > > Vaishnavas. > > > > > > He realized god through his surrender to Krishna, a form of > > Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Tridandi Chinna Jeeyar Swami (in the parampara of > > > > > > Ramanujacharya) , AK Moon is in Cn in D-20. The 12th house Ge is > > > > owned > > > > > > by Mercury and Saturn occupies it. He has realized whatever he has > > > > > > realized so far, through devotion to Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Ramana Maharshi, AK Moon is in Aq in D-20. The 12th > > > > > > from him is Cp. It is empty. Jupiter with nodes in a friendly sign > > > > > > aspects it. Parasara emphasized connection with Ketu in his > > formulas > > > > > > for 12th from AK. So, we will take Jupiter's aspect on Cp to > > be more > > > > > > important than Saturn's ownership. Jupiter shows Shiva. Ramana > > > > > > Maharshi was devoted to Shiva at Arunachalam and realized Self. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, AK Saturn is in > > Cp in > > > > > > D-20. The 12th from him is owned by Jupiter. He too was devoted to > > > > > > Shiva and realized Self. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take Prof. K.S. Krishnamoorthy (1908 November 1, 12:11 pm IST, > > > > > > Thiruvaiyaru) , the inventer of KP. His AK Rahu is in Sc in > > D-20. The > > > > > > 12th from it reckoned anti-zodiacally is Sg. Its lord Jupiter is > > > > in Sc > > > > > > with 4 other planets. The strongest influence there is that of > > Ketu. > > > > > > Moreover, Sg is Ketu's exaltation sign. He was devoted to > > Ganapathi. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take a person with birthdata 1968 March 19 evening, India. AK > > Saturn > > > > > > is in Vi in D-20. The 12th lord from him is in a Martian sign. > > > > Mars in > > > > > > moolatrikona is aspecting 12th and 12th lord. His dominating > > > > influence > > > > > > suggests Kartikeya. He indeed practiced a Subrahmanya mantra > > and had > > > > > > several mystical experiences and making good progress towards > > > > realization. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Ramakrishnananda (disciple of Ramakrishna > > > > > > Paramahamsa) , steadfast devotion to spiritual master was the > > > > > > liberating factor. He constantly served Ramakrishna when he > > was here > > > > > > and worshipped his relics everyday without fail after he left. > > > > Once he > > > > > > requested Ramakrishna for some spiritual experiences, seeing the > > > > > > experiences and ecstasy of other disciples. When Ramakrishna > > said, " I > > > > > > can do that. But you will not be able to serve me after that " , he > > > > > > withdrew his request and said he was then not interested in any > > > > > > experiences! He became liberated through complete surrender, > > perfect > > > > > > devotion and tireless service to his guru. He was born on 1863 > > > > July 13 > > > > > > at 4:56 am LMT at Ichchapur, India. His AK Sun is in Aq in D-20. > > > > There > > > > > > are 3 planets in Cp, but only Jupiter is in the 12th house > > from Sun, > > > > > > based on Sun's divisional longitude in D-20. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Paramahamsa Yogananda (of kriya yoga and > > > > > > " Self-Realization Fellowship " and author of " Autobiography of a > > > > > > Yogi " ), AK Venus is in Ar in D-20. The 12th from him is owned by > > > > > > Jupiter, who joins nodes. Jupiter can show Shiva, but he can also > > > > show > > > > > > surrender to a great guru, like in the above example. Paramahamsa > > > > > > Yogananda may have worshipped several deities, but his > > surrender to > > > > > > his guru Yukteshwar Maharaj (whom he met at 17) and guru parampara > > > > > > (from Mahavatar Babaji) is what liberated him. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > You can see that I am sticking to the basic classification > > instead of > > > > > > using dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. If the 12th from AK in > > navamsa > > > > > > has Jupiter, some suggest Vaamana and some suggest Taaraa, while > > > > > > Pararsara said Shiva. It is important to see the forest first and > > > > then > > > > > > try to see the trees. Clearly, Parasara's indications in BPHS show > > > > > > that the 12th from AK in amsa (D-20) is meant to see the forest > > > > (Shiva > > > > > > or Vishnu or Gouri or Kartikeya etc). Seeing the specific form of > > > > > > Vishnu or Shiva or Gouri etc must be from other modifying > > factors. I > > > > > > will not go into that. But, I want to emphasize that going > > into trees > > > > > > without making sure you are in the right forest is not so wise! > > > > > > > > > > > > There seem to be corruptions in our current knowledge. Going > > back to > > > > > > Parasara faithfully, thinking logically and simplifying things > > > > will be > > > > > > helpful in getting more consistent results, in many areas. > > Unless the > > > > > > principles one uses are verified based on reliable data (e.g. > > charts > > > > > > of people who indeed made great spiritual progress by > > worshipping a > > > > > > specific deity), they just remain theoretical and their utility > > > > > > questionable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > tarpana > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 NAMASTE We need the 2nd edition of the book with all necessary updates from PVR JI...hoping about a 2nd book of advanced topics too... regards, Biswajit vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Dear Rohiniranjan and others, > > I do hold independent views in several areas, but what you read in my book regarding graha arudhas is not my independent view. > > What I wrote about graha arudhas was what Pt Rath explicitly taught me then. The teachings were modified by him in later years, as happened with some other topics. > > * * * > > I was first taught explicitly by Pt Rath that bhava arudhas show the world's view of the native and graha arudhas show native's view of the world. That is what went into my book. > > Next, I was taught explicitly by Pt Rath that bhava arudhas show tangible inanimate objects related to a bhava, while graha arudhas of bhava lords show tangible " animate/intelligent " persons related to a bhava. > > What Rafal quoted from his " guruji " below, who according to him has the same opinion as Pt Rath, is yet another view. It says graha arudhas show how world sees you (but you may not be conscious of it) and bhava arudhas show how you consciously project yourself for the world to see you. > > * * * > > In the beginning, I assumed that whatever was taught by Pt Rath was knowledge tried and tested in a parampara for centuries. That is why I confidently put it in a book without questioning it or doing my own research. > > As time progressed, I found many holes and leaps of faith in his logic, many contradictions and inconsistencies. I kept giving him the benefit of doubt and kept assuming that there was something subtle that I was missing or he was holding some things back for future as I was not ready. Gradually, it became clear to me that he was simply making a lot of things up and reinventing himself as he went on. > > I discovered over the time that what I was taught was a mixture of: (1) a few gems from tradition that work nicely, (2) a lot of half-baked knowledge with roots in tradition but corrupted to varying degrees, and, (3) many wayward concepts thought of by an unreliable intuition in impulses and shared hastily without much balanced validation. > > It took me several years to get a grip on the situation and convince myself of my assessment. It took me several more years to do something about it, i.e. take conflicting teachings and see which ones make sense, reconcile with the words of rishis and do independent research. > > My book was written a decade ago when I was at the *very beginning* of this process of evolution. So there is a lot in it that I do not agree with anymore. My apologies for misleading. > > * * * > > Having weighed various of Pt Rath's teachings on this issue, contemplated on this issue and experimented over the years, my view in this matter is as follows. > > Bhava means that which is there (from the Sanskrit root - bhoo, i.e. to be). Graha means that which grabs [the consciousness]. Pada means an a symbol or a word or a tangible expression. > > Bhavas (houses) show various *inanimate* things, objects and situations. Grahas (planets) are the *animation* and intelligence (feelings, emotions, thoughts, motives etc) that interact with bhavas, enliven them and drive them to give the fruits of previous karmas. This animation/intelligence is what grabs various inanimate things/situations and animates them. > > Arudha pada of a bhava shows how those inanimate things and situations manifest externally in a tangible way. Arudha pada of a graha shows how the intelligence and animation (feelings, emotions, thoughts etc) represented by that planet manifest externally in a tangible way. > > For example, 4th house shows vehicles and happiness from vehicles. The facility to move is an inanimate situation shown by 4th house. The actual physical vehicle is a tangible/external inanimate object that reflects this. So A4 (bhava arudha pada of 4th house) shows it. The 4th lord shows the [internal] attitude towards the facility to move [and vehicle]. It shows the feeling and thinking with which one approaches the situation represented by the 4th house. How happy or sad or proud or ashamed or attached one feels towards one's vehicle, for example, is seen from the 4th lord. Finally, the feeling and thinking with which one *seems* to the world to approach the situation represented by the 4th house is is seen from the graha arudha of the 4th lord. How happy or sad or proud or ashamed or attached one seems to the world to feel towards one's vehicle is seen from it. > > Lagna shows the very being, arudha lagna shows how one's being (and conduct) comes across, lagna lord shows the thoughts, motives and intelligence driving one's being and graha arudha of lagna lord shows how the world views the thoughts, motives and intelligence driving one's being. > > * * * > > Let me take the Hitler example asked by you. AL is in Cn with Saturn in it and Mars aspecting it. His conduct comes across as being sensitive (Cn), unhappy (Saturn) and determined (Mars). > > Graha arudha of lagna lord Venus may be taken by some in Cp (Li is in 7th from Venus. Taking 7th from Li, we get Ar. Because 1st/7th from the planet are not allowed, take the 10th from Ar and land in Cp). However, Parasara's directive is to take the stronger sign owned by a planet. He did not define two graha arudhas of a planet based on the two signs owned (Ta and Li for Venus here), though JHora gives that also (select " Choose a view " in the pop-up menu on a chart and select " Dual graha arudha view " to get 2 graha arudhas for planets owning 2 signs). As per Parasara's definition, we take Ta as the stronger sign owned by Venus and get graha arudha of Venus is in Ge. > > Rahu in the graha arudha of lagna lord means that the world sees Rahu-like *motives and thinking* behind his personality and conduct. > > * * * > > Let us take some more examples. > > George W Bush had AL in Sc with Ketu in it. His personality and conduct comes across as being secretive (Sc) and erratic (Ketu) to some and determined (Sc) and spiritual (Ketu) to some (BTW, Ketu is strong). His lagna lord's graha arudha is in Ta with Rahu in it. Again world sees Rahu-like motives and thinking driving his personality and conduct. > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had AL and the graha arudha of lagna lord in Ge with Jupiter in it. His conduct and personality, as well as motives and thinking behind it, were seen to be influenced by Ge (idealistic, articulate) and Jupiter (teacher, wisdom). > > Swami Vivekananda had AL in Le and with Mercury and Venus having 3/4th aspect on it. He came across as a regal (Le), learned, eloquent (Mercury) and charming (Venus) person. Graha arudha of lagna lord was Aq, aspected fully by Jupiter. The motivations and thinking behind his personality were seen by the world to be influenced by Aq (philosopher) and Jupiter (teacher, wisdom). However, it is the graha arudha of AK that is the strongest reference in his chart (stronger than lagna, lagna lord, AL and graha arudha of lagna lord). Graha arudha of AK Sun is in Ar with Mars in it. While lagna lord shows the thinking, motivation and intelligence behind one's being and conduct, AK soul and its mission. Graha arudha of AK shows how the world views one's soul and its mission. Taking the graha arudha of AK as reference, we have Guru-Mangala yoga, yoga of 1st and 9th lords, on 1st/7th. It shows that the world views him as a soul who came to lead (Mars) a dharmik mission (9th lord Jupiter). > > JFK had AL in Sc aspected fully by Sun, Venus and Jupiter. His personality and conduct may be seen as being determined and inspirational (Sc), generous (Sun), charming (Venus in own sign) and wise (Jupiter). Graha arudha of lagna lord was in Le with Moon in it. World may see some regal (Le) and compassionate (Moon) motives and thoughts driving his personality. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Very interesting indeed, Mr. Gendarz! > > > > Could I impose upon your valuable time and request you to explain that using Hitler's chart? > > > > Thanks in advance for your kindness! > > > > RR_, > > > > vedic astrology , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > Dear Rohinranjan, > > > > > Small correction to make it clear: Sanjayji and my Guruji has different > > opinions than PVR Narasimhaji on various matters regarding Jyotish. > > > > > > Yes, my Guruji and Sanjayji often has different opinions on various > > > matters. > > > > > > This comes from my Guruji: > > > > > > * graha arudha shows how other see you and you may be not concious > > > about it > > > * arudha pada shows how you project yourself in the society - which > > > often is seen like that by others in consequence - this is fully > > > concious. > > > > > > These are very shallow definitions and there is much more when it comes > > > to graha arudha and arudha lagna. Graha arudhas are analysed to see > > > Lagna of our friends, enemies and also beside many other things to time > > > the demise. > > > > > > In my example my Lagnesh is Budha in forth house (mithuna lagna) which > > > makes Arudha sitting in forth house (matri bhava) in Kanya. Grahaarudha > > > is in the seventh house with Pisaca yoga (Ma/Ke) in seventh house > > > (vivaha bhava). > > > > > > It means that I project myself as writer and I think I do this in very > > > peaceful way (Budha = ahimsa) but often people criticize me for being > > > too harsh or argumentative which is the quality of Mangal being in graha > > > arudha of Lagnadhipati. > > > > > > This way the karma works. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > -------------- > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > http://rohinaa.com > > > rafal@ > > > starsuponme@ / > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm... Mr. Gendarz: What you wrote sounds opposite to what PVR wrote > > > > in his Integrated Astrology! > > > > > > > > He described Graha Arudha as being the way the nativity views the > > > > different things, so Graha Arudha of Lagnesh will 'show' or describe > > > > how the nativity sees him/herself, whereas, the arudha of lagna > > > > (house) will show how others perceive the Nativity. > > > > > > > > Maybe, that is what you meant or perhaps with time, the implications > > > > have gotten modified! > > > > > > > > Please clarify. Thanks! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > > Dear Lalitha, > > > > > > > > > > Just like the arudha of houses are the external manifestation of bhava, > > > > > graha arudha shows the point where the planet will show the > > > > > manifestation. For example graha arudha of lagnesh will show how > > > > other's > > > > > percieve the native, so its like the traces which stays after some > > > > > action is done by the actual Lagnadhipati. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> > > > > > rafal@ > > > > > starsuponme@ ... / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalitha Vuppaladadiyam pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Namo Bhagavathe Vaasudevaya > > > > > > > > > > > > Poojya Gurujis, > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anybody please explain what is meant by Graha Arudha? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > lalitha v > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ > > > > > > <pvr% 40charter. net>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ <pvr% 40charter. net>> > > > > > > [vedic astrology] The 12th from AK and 9th from AK-arudha > > > > > > JyotishWritings > > > > <JyotishWritings%40> > > > > > > <JyotishWrit ings%40grou ps.com>, > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic astrology%40> <vedic- astrology% > > > > 40. com> > > > > > > Cc: > > > > <%40> <JyotishGrou > > > > p%40. com> > > > > > > Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > I sent a writeup titled " On Seeing Deities from the 12th from > > > > > > Karakamsa " with many examples sometime back. I reproduced that > > > > writeup > > > > > > at the end of this email for easy reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > The enclosed critique on that writeup was posted by Pt Rath on > > > > sohamsa > > > > > > list recently and it was forwarded to me by a friend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > > > > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now as > > > > > > > per Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu > > > > > > > becomes AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating > > > > > > > the Ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > I clearly wrote (see the article at the end): " In the case of > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt Rath missed the explicitly stated fact that I also took Rahu as AK > > > > > > and not " another planet other than Rahu " as he *imagined* above. Pt > > > > > > Rath also missed the explicitly stated fact that I count houses > > > > > > anti-zodiacally from Rahu. Pt Rath missed the fact that I do not try > > > > > > to see the trees without seeing the forest first and I do not look > > > > for > > > > > > dasa mahavidyas or dasavatara lists and use the basic list of > > > > Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > Given the factual errors in attributing things to me above, it is > > > > > > clear that Pt Rath proceeded to critique my views without reading > > > > them! > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Criticizing someone's view without reading it properly (let alone > > > > > > giving it due consideration! ) and based on one's own > > > > *imagination* of > > > > > > what the other person is saying, demonstrates a *desperation* to > > > > > > criticize. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarada Mata's Moon is not in Ge in D-20, but in Ta, if one uses > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > ayanamsa or Jagannatha ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt Rath said that " Ramakrishna Paramahamsa " is the " ishta devata " of > > > > > > Vivekananda. But my view is that Ramakrishna Paramahamsa is his guru. > > > > > > Many Hindu saints explicitly worship guru with a mantra. But that > > > > does > > > > > > not make guru their " ishta devata " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda saw Kaali as a small girl throughout the second half of > > > > > > his life, talked to her as a person and was guided by her. He said he > > > > > > stopped seeing her a few days before leaving his body. If that does > > > > > > not make her his ishta devata, I do not know what will! > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding " Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory " , Parasara explicitly gave the > > > > > > criteria to decide when to use 7 chara karakas and when to use 8 > > > > chara > > > > > > karakas. Both KN Rao group that uses 7 chara karakas always and Pt > > > > > > Rath group that uses 8 chara karakas in human charts always are in > > > > > > violation of Parasara's explicit teaching. > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha made an effort to understand and share the understanding > > > > > > (http://vedicastrolo ger.org/articles /c_karaka. pdf). His view > > > > may or > > > > > > may not be perfect, but it is closer to Parasara's teaching. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > > > > > > > Parasara asked to see the deity one worships from the 12th from AK's > > > > > > amsa and NOT what one " esablishes " . Pt Rath is trying to deviate > > > > from > > > > > > Parasara and see everything from the 12th from AK! > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view, dasamsa is the chart for one's activities and > > > > > > accomplishments ( " mahatphalam " is seen in D-10, according to > > > > > > Parasara). AK shows the soul and the *graha arudha* of AK should show > > > > > > how the soul manifests to the world. After all, one's mission or > > > > > > achievement is an attribute of the *manifestation* of one's soul to > > > > > > the world. The 9th house from the graha arudha of AK in D-10 could > > > > > > indicate what the world views as a major mission (dharma/duty) of > > > > > > one's soul. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda and Sarada Mata had graha arudha of AK in Cn in D-10. The > > > > > > 9th was in Pisces showing establishing Vedanta and other knowledge of > > > > > > rishis. As another example, graha arudha of AK in Aurobindo's D-10 is > > > > > > in Ar. The 9th from there has Sg with Ketu in it, showing > > > > > > establishment of dharma and Vedic knowledge. As another example, > > > > graha > > > > > > arudha of AK in Ramana Maharshi's D-10 is in Sc. The 9th house > > > > > > contains exalted Jupiter and shows teaching sublime Vedic truths. > > > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati had graha arudha of AK in Li and the > > > > > > 9th again had Jupiter in Ge, showing establishment and lecturing of > > > > > > Vedic knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > All these saints have Jupiter involved. As a comparison, see other > > > > > > kinds of charts. Bill Gates has AK Saturn in Cn, his graha arudha in > > > > > > Ar and the 9th has Mercury (knowledge, communications and computing). > > > > > > Adolf Hitler has AK Venus in Sg, his graha arudha in Li and the 9th > > > > > > from it has Sun (power). Composer A.R. Rahman (of Jai ho fame) has AK > > > > > > Sun in Cn, his graha arudha in Ta (empty) and its lord Venus exalted > > > > > > (music and artistic creativity). > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, the mission and what one achieves and establishes in one's life > > > > > > may be better seen from the 9th from the graha arudha of AK in D-10, > > > > > > than from the 12th house from AK in navamsa or vimsamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > When we extrapolate things not mentioned by rishis, we need to be > > > > > > intelligent and consistent. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@ ...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha Theory #1: Ista devata is to be seen from the Vimsamsa > > > > > > instead of the Navamsa chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The arguments given were the charts of Sri Ramakrishna besides > > > > others - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter (Vaamana/Taaraa) .. > > > > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > > > > things > > > > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at Dakshineshwar > > > > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > > > > material world). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us examine the Vimsamsa and Navamsa charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In both the charts the atmakaraka Rahu is in Capricorn and the 12th > > > > > > house in both the charts is the same with the difference being that > > > > > > the Sun in Sagittarius is in the 12H from Karakamsa in D9 while the > > > > > > 12H from karakamsa in D20 is empty. How does the 12H from karakamsa > > > > > > show Kaali? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > > > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now as per > > > > > > Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu becomes > > > > > > AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating the Ista > > > > devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding Parashara is another cup of tea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vimsamsa, the *form* of the devata that one loves will come into > > > > > > the picture. Ramakrishna loved Kaali as this is indicated by the > > > > *Moon > > > > > > in Lagna in Aquarius*. This was His upaasita devata (Upasana or > > > > > > penance deity). We can also say that as the Moon (in Aq = Kaali) > > > > joins > > > > > > the 9th Lord, this devata form was associated with a temple. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Sarada Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Sarada Ma, the atmakaraka Moon is in > > > > Sagittarius > > > > > > navamsa. The ista devata is seen in the 12th house Scorpio which is > > > > > > empty and its lord Ketu joins AK Moon. Sri Sarada Ma has said that > > > > she > > > > > > is *Bagala* [this is Her statement]. This is seen from the energy of > > > > > > Scorpio brought by Ketu to the AK Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Mercury also conjoins the AK Moon and the Ista planet Ketu > > > > > > thereby indicating Sodasi (Tripura sundari). Sri Ramakrishna saw Her > > > > > > as Sodasi and also worshipped Her as such. Therefore it is clear that > > > > > > Sri Sarada Ma is a dual manifestation of both Sri Bagalamukhi and Sri > > > > > > Tripurasundari and these are Her ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apply narasimha Theory. The AK Moon is in Gemini Vimsamssa and the > > > > > > 12th house is Taurus indicating the Ista devata as Lakshmi. > > > > Definitely > > > > > > wrong approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > > > > ========= ======== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Swami Vivekanada, the Atmakaraka Sun is in > > > > > > Sagittarius Navamsa and the 12H from it is Scorpio with Jupiter in it > > > > > > indicating Shiva/Guru as Ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda worshipped Thakur with the mantra *om hriiM namo > > > > > > bhagavate raamakrishnaaya* [see the first letters of each line of > > > > > > Ramakrishna stotra, the mantra is hidden in there]. Thakur > > > > ramakrishna > > > > > > was His Ista devata and was Shiva for Him, protector, teacher and > > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Applying Narasimha AK Vimsamsa theory, the Sun is in Pisces and 12H > > > > > > is having Rahu and Ketu and giving me arguments like Durga and > > > > ganesha > > > > > > as Ista for Him is not going to work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > > > > ========= ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How God/Ista devata helps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Ramakrishna, the Ista Devata Sun is in > > > > > > Sagittarius navamsa ...both the two souls who made the Ramakrishna > > > > > > Mission happen - Swami Vivekanada and Sarada ma, had AK in > > > > Sagittarius > > > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > The message that Pt Rath was commenting on > > > > > > http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings/message/ 5 > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > I mentioned a formula that occurs commonly in the charts of spiritual > > > > > > greats, though it is not that common in regular charts. The long > > > > > > discussion on sohamsa that followed that post ignored the actual > > > > > > formula and its building blocks and focused on other things. I > > > > want to > > > > > > say more on one important building block used in that formula. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chapter called " kaarakaamsa phala " in BPHS, Parasara mentioned > > > > > > the deities worshipped based on the planets in the 12th from > > > > > > kaarakaamsha. For example, Sun in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of > > > > > > Shiva and Moon in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of Gouri. > > > > > > > > > > > > The term " kaarakaamsa " means " AK's amsa " . Amsa only means division. > > > > > > Which amsa or division is Parasara referring to? > > > > > > > > > > > > Though people jumped to the conclusion that amsa means navaamsa by > > > > > > default, there is one more important thing to consider here. At the > > > > > > onset itself, Parasara clarified which amsas (divisions) are used for > > > > > > which purposes. He clearly said " upaasanaayaaH viGYaanaM saadhyaM > > > > > > viMshati bhaagake " , meaning " the knowledge of one's worship and > > > > > > spiritual practices is possible in D-20 " . > > > > > > > > > > > > If, having said that at the onset, he defines which deities are > > > > > > worshipped based on the 12th house from AK in an " amsa " , can the amsa > > > > > > in question be anything other than D-20?! After all, he clearly said > > > > > > one's upaasanaa is seen from D-20. So the principles laid out > > > > later by > > > > > > Parasara for upaasanaa *must* be referring to D-20 by " amsa " and > > > > *not* > > > > > > D-9 as people normally take. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > People faithfully follow tradition and suggest specific ishta devatas > > > > > > to people. However, had some spiritual greats who were liberated by > > > > > > the grace of a deity come to us, we would've probably prescribed a > > > > > > different deity to them. There are several examples and I will > > > > share a > > > > > > few here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter (Vaamana/Taaraa) .. > > > > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > > > > things > > > > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at Dakshineshwar > > > > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > > > > material world). > > > > > > > > > > > > Such logic is unreasonable. Bottomline is that Ramakrishna revered > > > > and > > > > > > surrendered to mother Kaali. He saw her in an idol, in a cat, in a > > > > > > flower, in the entire creation and in the light that fills the entire > > > > > > universe. The one who appears scary to several was a beautiful and > > > > > > loving mother to him and She guided his life completely and liberated > > > > > > him. Even before entering nirvikalpa samadhi (a state beyond forms, > > > > > > including the Kaali form), he asked Kaali for permission. That shows > > > > > > what Kaali meant to him! If Jyotish principles you use show Raama or > > > > > > Taaraa as his ishta devata, probably your knowledge is incomplete or > > > > > > incorrect. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Sg in D-9 and Sc is empty. > > > > > > Mars and Ketu own it. One would've suggested Narasimha or Bagalamukhi > > > > > > for Mars or Matsyavatara or Dhumavati for Ketu. Her life too was > > > > > > guided (and liberated) by mother Kaali. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Sg. Jupiter is in 12th > > > > > > and Mars owns it. One would've suggested Vaamana or Taaraa for > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > or Narasimha or Bagalamukhi for Mars. Swamiji was into Gayatri mantra > > > > > > and Chandipath. He saw Kaali as a girl and talked to her for most of > > > > > > the second half of his life and derived his energy from her. He > > > > > > remarked in his last few days that the girl Kaali who was around him > > > > > > and giving him energy was no longer visible. If one has saayujya > > > > > > (togetherness) of a deity while living and the deity is constantly > > > > > > guiding one, that definitely must be one's ishta devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > For Ramana Maharshi, 12th from AK Moon contains Ketu in navamsa and > > > > > > Venus owns and aspects 12th. However, he obtained liberation > > > > guided by > > > > > > Shiva at Arunachalam. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > If we cannot see the correct deity in the case of spiritual giants > > > > who > > > > > > succeeded by surrendering to a specific deity, what good are our > > > > > > principles and how well can we guide people? > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest going back to Parasara and using D-20 instead of D-9. There > > > > > > is one special point when Rahu is AK. > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets have argala on the 3rd, 10th and 12th houses from them. > > > > > > Parasara taught that these houses are counted *anti-zodiacally* when > > > > > > we find the argala of *Rahu and Ketu* on various signs and planets. > > > > > > This makes sense intuitively, as Rahu and Ketu move anti-zodiacally. > > > > > > What Rahu considers as the 1st or 2nd house from him would be > > > > based on > > > > > > his anti-zodiacal movement. If 0-30 deg from the longitude of Mars is > > > > > > 1st house from Mars, 30-60 deg from the longitude of Mars is 2nd > > > > house > > > > > > from Mars and so on, as Parasara taught in BPHS, then 360-330 deg > > > > from > > > > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 1st house from Rahu and 330-300 deg from > > > > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 2nd house from Rahu and so on. Even in > > > > > > the evaluation of chara karakas, Parasara mentioned subtracting > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > progress in sign from 30 deg and that is consistent with this entire > > > > > > philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, I conclude that houses should be reckoned anti-zodiacally from > > > > > > Rahu, if Rahu is AK. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let us revisit previous examples. I am using Jagannatha > > > > ayanamsa. > > > > > > I will stick to Parasara's approach and build on it, rather than use > > > > > > the list of dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. For example, Sun shows > > > > > > Shiva according to Parasara, when influencing the 12th from AK in > > > > amsa > > > > > > (D-20). I will not take Sun to show Rama or Maatangi. Instead of > > > > > > trying to see trees without checking if we are in the right forest, > > > > > > let us first focus on seeing the forest. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. The > > > > > > 12th house counted anti-zodiacally is Aq, owned by Saturn and Rahu, > > > > > > who are together with Ketu in Cp. As per Parasara, Rahu (and also > > > > > > Saturn sometimes) shows taamasik deities such as Durga ( " taamasIm > > > > > > durgaaM " , said Parasara) and ugra devatas. Out of the deities listed > > > > > > by Parasara, this is the group that Kaali would fall in. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Ta in D-20. The 12th house > > > > > > is Ar, owned by Mars. Mars is with Saturn in Aq and both aspect Ar. > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu also aspect it. The influence of Aq, Saturn and Rahu is > > > > > > coming again, like in Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Again Kaali is fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Pi in D-20. The 12th > > > > > > from him is Aq containing Rahu and Ketu and Saturn owns it. Again, > > > > the > > > > > > same influence as the above two charts is seen, which makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > See, the three of them have the same influences on the 12th from > > > > AK in > > > > > > D-20! > > > > > > > > > > > > Just to contrast, let us take another sishya of Ramakrishna > > > > > > Paramahamsa, who was a Vaishnava. Take Swami Trigunatitananda (1865 > > > > > > Jan 30, 9:26 pm LMT, Naora, India). AK Jupiter is in Cn In D-20. The > > > > > > 12th is Ge and is empty. Only Saturn aspects it from Vi. Mercury owns > > > > > > Ge. The influence of Mercury and Saturn according to Parasara shows a > > > > > > devotee of Vishnu. Swami Trigunatitananda was indeed a Vaishnava. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Srila Prabhupada, AK Rahu is in Sg. The 12th from him > > > > > > reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp. Its lord Saturn is in Gemini owned > > > > > > Mercury and aspected by Mercury. Saturn and Mercury show Vaishnavas. > > > > > > He realized god through his surrender to Krishna, a form of Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Tridandi Chinna Jeeyar Swami (in the parampara of > > > > > > Ramanujacharya) , AK Moon is in Cn in D-20. The 12th house Ge is > > > > owned > > > > > > by Mercury and Saturn occupies it. He has realized whatever he has > > > > > > realized so far, through devotion to Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Ramana Maharshi, AK Moon is in Aq in D-20. The 12th > > > > > > from him is Cp. It is empty. Jupiter with nodes in a friendly sign > > > > > > aspects it. Parasara emphasized connection with Ketu in his formulas > > > > > > for 12th from AK. So, we will take Jupiter's aspect on Cp to be more > > > > > > important than Saturn's ownership. Jupiter shows Shiva. Ramana > > > > > > Maharshi was devoted to Shiva at Arunachalam and realized Self. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, AK Saturn is in Cp in > > > > > > D-20. The 12th from him is owned by Jupiter. He too was devoted to > > > > > > Shiva and realized Self. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take Prof. K.S. Krishnamoorthy (1908 November 1, 12:11 pm IST, > > > > > > Thiruvaiyaru) , the inventer of KP. His AK Rahu is in Sc in D-20. The > > > > > > 12th from it reckoned anti-zodiacally is Sg. Its lord Jupiter is > > > > in Sc > > > > > > with 4 other planets. The strongest influence there is that of Ketu. > > > > > > Moreover, Sg is Ketu's exaltation sign. He was devoted to Ganapathi. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take a person with birthdata 1968 March 19 evening, India. AK Saturn > > > > > > is in Vi in D-20. The 12th lord from him is in a Martian sign. > > > > Mars in > > > > > > moolatrikona is aspecting 12th and 12th lord. His dominating > > > > influence > > > > > > suggests Kartikeya. He indeed practiced a Subrahmanya mantra and had > > > > > > several mystical experiences and making good progress towards > > > > realization. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Ramakrishnananda (disciple of Ramakrishna > > > > > > Paramahamsa) , steadfast devotion to spiritual master was the > > > > > > liberating factor. He constantly served Ramakrishna when he was here > > > > > > and worshipped his relics everyday without fail after he left. > > > > Once he > > > > > > requested Ramakrishna for some spiritual experiences, seeing the > > > > > > experiences and ecstasy of other disciples. When Ramakrishna said, " I > > > > > > can do that. But you will not be able to serve me after that " , he > > > > > > withdrew his request and said he was then not interested in any > > > > > > experiences! He became liberated through complete surrender, perfect > > > > > > devotion and tireless service to his guru. He was born on 1863 > > > > July 13 > > > > > > at 4:56 am LMT at Ichchapur, India. His AK Sun is in Aq in D-20. > > > > There > > > > > > are 3 planets in Cp, but only Jupiter is in the 12th house from Sun, > > > > > > based on Sun's divisional longitude in D-20. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Paramahamsa Yogananda (of kriya yoga and > > > > > > " Self-Realization Fellowship " and author of " Autobiography of a > > > > > > Yogi " ), AK Venus is in Ar in D-20. The 12th from him is owned by > > > > > > Jupiter, who joins nodes. Jupiter can show Shiva, but he can also > > > > show > > > > > > surrender to a great guru, like in the above example. Paramahamsa > > > > > > Yogananda may have worshipped several deities, but his surrender to > > > > > > his guru Yukteshwar Maharaj (whom he met at 17) and guru parampara > > > > > > (from Mahavatar Babaji) is what liberated him. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > You can see that I am sticking to the basic classification instead of > > > > > > using dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. If the 12th from AK in navamsa > > > > > > has Jupiter, some suggest Vaamana and some suggest Taaraa, while > > > > > > Pararsara said Shiva. It is important to see the forest first and > > > > then > > > > > > try to see the trees. Clearly, Parasara's indications in BPHS show > > > > > > that the 12th from AK in amsa (D-20) is meant to see the forest > > > > (Shiva > > > > > > or Vishnu or Gouri or Kartikeya etc). Seeing the specific form of > > > > > > Vishnu or Shiva or Gouri etc must be from other modifying factors. I > > > > > > will not go into that. But, I want to emphasize that going into trees > > > > > > without making sure you are in the right forest is not so wise! > > > > > > > > > > > > There seem to be corruptions in our current knowledge. Going back to > > > > > > Parasara faithfully, thinking logically and simplifying things > > > > will be > > > > > > helpful in getting more consistent results, in many areas. Unless the > > > > > > principles one uses are verified based on reliable data (e.g. charts > > > > > > of people who indeed made great spiritual progress by worshipping a > > > > > > specific deity), they just remain theoretical and their utility > > > > > > questionable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Dear Rohiniranjan and others, I do hold independent views in several areas, but what you read in my book regarding graha arudhas is not my independent view. What I wrote about graha arudhas was what Pt Rath explicitly taught me then. The teachings were modified by him in later years, as happened with some other topics. * * * I was first taught explicitly by Pt Rath that bhava arudhas show the world's view of the native and graha arudhas show native's view of the world. That is what went into my book. Next, I was taught explicitly by Pt Rath that bhava arudhas show tangible inanimate objects related to a bhava, while graha arudhas of bhava lords show tangible " animate/intelligent " persons related to a bhava. What Rafal quoted from his " guruji " below, who according to him has the same opinion as Pt Rath, is yet another view. It says graha arudhas show how world sees you (but you may not be conscious of it) and bhava arudhas show how you consciously project yourself for the world to see you. * * * In the beginning, I assumed that whatever was taught by Pt Rath was knowledge tried and tested in a parampara for centuries. That is why I confidently put it in a book without questioning it or doing my own research. As time progressed, I found many holes and leaps of faith in his logic, many contradictions and inconsistencies. I kept giving him the benefit of doubt and kept assuming that there was something subtle that I was missing or he was holding some things back for future as I was not ready. Gradually, it became clear to me that he was simply making a lot of things up and reinventing himself as he went on. I discovered over the time that what I was taught was a mixture of: (1) a few gems from tradition that work nicely, (2) a lot of half-baked knowledge with roots in tradition but corrupted to varying degrees, and, (3) many wayward concepts thought of by an unreliable intuition in impulses and shared hastily without much balanced validation. It took me several years to get a grip on the situation and convince myself of my assessment. It took me several more years to do something about it, i.e. take conflicting teachings and see which ones make sense, reconcile with the words of rishis and do independent research. My book was written a decade ago when I was at the *very beginning* of this process of evolution. So there is a lot in it that I do not agree with anymore. My apologies for misleading. * * * Having weighed various of Pt Rath's teachings on this issue, contemplated on this issue and experimented over the years, my view in this matter is as follows. Bhava means that which is there (from the Sanskrit root - bhoo, i.e. to be). Graha means that which grabs [the consciousness]. Pada means an a symbol or a word or a tangible expression. Bhavas (houses) show various *inanimate* things, objects and situations. Grahas (planets) are the *animation* and intelligence (feelings, emotions, thoughts, motives etc) that interact with bhavas, enliven them and drive them to give the fruits of previous karmas. This animation/intelligence is what grabs various inanimate things/situations and animates them. Arudha pada of a bhava shows how those inanimate things and situations manifest externally in a tangible way. Arudha pada of a graha shows how the intelligence and animation (feelings, emotions, thoughts etc) represented by that planet manifest externally in a tangible way. For example, 4th house shows vehicles and happiness from vehicles. The facility to move is an inanimate situation shown by 4th house. The actual physical vehicle is a tangible/external inanimate object that reflects this. So A4 (bhava arudha pada of 4th house) shows it. The 4th lord shows the [internal] attitude towards the facility to move [and vehicle]. It shows the feeling and thinking with which one approaches the situation represented by the 4th house. How happy or sad or proud or ashamed or attached one feels towards one's vehicle, for example, is seen from the 4th lord. Finally, the feeling and thinking with which one *seems* to the world to approach the situation represented by the 4th house is is seen from the graha arudha of the 4th lord. How happy or sad or proud or ashamed or attached one seems to the world to feel towards one's vehicle is seen from it. Lagna shows the very being, arudha lagna shows how one's being (and conduct) comes across, lagna lord shows the thoughts, motives and intelligence driving one's being and graha arudha of lagna lord shows how the world views the thoughts, motives and intelligence driving one's being. * * * Let me take the Hitler example asked by you. AL is in Cn with Saturn in it and Mars aspecting it. His conduct comes across as being sensitive (Cn), unhappy (Saturn) and determined (Mars). Graha arudha of lagna lord Venus may be taken by some in Cp (Li is in 7th from Venus. Taking 7th from Li, we get Ar. Because 1st/7th from the planet are not allowed, take the 10th from Ar and land in Cp). However, Parasara's directive is to take the stronger sign owned by a planet. He did not define two graha arudhas of a planet based on the two signs owned (Ta and Li for Venus here), though JHora gives that also (select " Choose a view " in the pop-up menu on a chart and select " Dual graha arudha view " to get 2 graha arudhas for planets owning 2 signs). As per Parasara's definition, we take Ta as the stronger sign owned by Venus and get graha arudha of Venus is in Ge. Rahu in the graha arudha of lagna lord means that the world sees Rahu-like *motives and thinking* behind his personality and conduct. * * * Let us take some more examples. George W Bush had AL in Sc with Ketu in it. His personality and conduct comes across as being secretive (Sc) and erratic (Ketu) to some and determined (Sc) and spiritual (Ketu) to some (BTW, Ketu is strong). His lagna lord's graha arudha is in Ta with Rahu in it. Again world sees Rahu-like motives and thinking driving his personality and conduct. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had AL and the graha arudha of lagna lord in Ge with Jupiter in it. His conduct and personality, as well as motives and thinking behind it, were seen to be influenced by Ge (idealistic, articulate) and Jupiter (teacher, wisdom). Swami Vivekananda had AL in Le and with Mercury and Venus having 3/4th aspect on it. He came across as a regal (Le), learned, eloquent (Mercury) and charming (Venus) person. Graha arudha of lagna lord was Aq, aspected fully by Jupiter. The motivations and thinking behind his personality were seen by the world to be influenced by Aq (philosopher) and Jupiter (teacher, wisdom). However, it is the graha arudha of AK that is the strongest reference in his chart (stronger than lagna, lagna lord, AL and graha arudha of lagna lord). Graha arudha of AK Sun is in Ar with Mars in it. While lagna lord shows the thinking, motivation and intelligence behind one's being and conduct, AK soul and its mission. Graha arudha of AK shows how the world views one's soul and its mission. Taking the graha arudha of AK as reference, we have Guru-Mangala yoga, yoga of 1st and 9th lords, on 1st/7th. It shows that the world views him as a soul who came to lead (Mars) a dharmik mission (9th lord Jupiter). JFK had AL in Sc aspected fully by Sun, Venus and Jupiter. His personality and conduct may be seen as being determined and inspirational (Sc), generous (Sun), charming (Venus in own sign) and wise (Jupiter). Graha arudha of lagna lord was in Le with Moon in it. World may see some regal (Le) and compassionate (Moon) motives and thoughts driving his personality. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Very interesting indeed, Mr. Gendarz! > > Could I impose upon your valuable time and request you to explain that using Hitler's chart? > > Thanks in advance for your kindness! > > RR_, > > vedic astrology , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > Dear Rohinranjan, > > > Small correction to make it clear: Sanjayji and my Guruji has different > opinions than PVR Narasimhaji on various matters regarding Jyotish. > > > > Yes, my Guruji and Sanjayji often has different opinions on various > > matters. > > > > This comes from my Guruji: > > > > * graha arudha shows how other see you and you may be not concious > > about it > > * arudha pada shows how you project yourself in the society - which > > often is seen like that by others in consequence - this is fully > > concious. > > > > These are very shallow definitions and there is much more when it comes > > to graha arudha and arudha lagna. Graha arudhas are analysed to see > > Lagna of our friends, enemies and also beside many other things to time > > the demise. > > > > In my example my Lagnesh is Budha in forth house (mithuna lagna) which > > makes Arudha sitting in forth house (matri bhava) in Kanya. Grahaarudha > > is in the seventh house with Pisaca yoga (Ma/Ke) in seventh house > > (vivaha bhava). > > > > It means that I project myself as writer and I think I do this in very > > peaceful way (Budha = ahimsa) but often people criticize me for being > > too harsh or argumentative which is the quality of Mangal being in graha > > arudha of Lagnadhipati. > > > > This way the karma works. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > -------------- > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > http://rohinaa.com > > rafal@ > > starsuponme@ / > > > > > > rohinicrystal pisze: > > > > > > > > > Hmm... Mr. Gendarz: What you wrote sounds opposite to what PVR wrote > > > in his Integrated Astrology! > > > > > > He described Graha Arudha as being the way the nativity views the > > > different things, so Graha Arudha of Lagnesh will 'show' or describe > > > how the nativity sees him/herself, whereas, the arudha of lagna > > > (house) will show how others perceive the Nativity. > > > > > > Maybe, that is what you meant or perhaps with time, the implications > > > have gotten modified! > > > > > > Please clarify. Thanks! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology%40>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > Dear Lalitha, > > > > > > > > Just like the arudha of houses are the external manifestation of bhava, > > > > graha arudha shows the point where the planet will show the > > > > manifestation. For example graha arudha of lagnesh will show how > > > other's > > > > percieve the native, so its like the traces which stays after some > > > > action is done by the actual Lagnadhipati. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > ------------ -- > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> > > > > rafal@ > > > > starsuponme@ ... / > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalitha Vuppaladadiyam pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Namo Bhagavathe Vaasudevaya > > > > > > > > > > Poojya Gurujis, > > > > > > > > > > Can anybody please explain what is meant by Graha Arudha? > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > lalitha v > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ > > > > > <pvr% 40charter. net>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ <pvr% 40charter. net>> > > > > > [vedic astrology] The 12th from AK and 9th from AK-arudha > > > > > JyotishWritings > > > <JyotishWritings%40> > > > > > <JyotishWrit ings%40grou ps.com>, > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology%40> <vedic- astrology% > > > 40. com> > > > > > Cc: > > > <%40> <JyotishGrou > > > p%40. com> > > > > > Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > I sent a writeup titled " On Seeing Deities from the 12th from > > > > > Karakamsa " with many examples sometime back. I reproduced that > > > writeup > > > > > at the end of this email for easy reference. > > > > > > > > > > The enclosed critique on that writeup was posted by Pt Rath on > > > sohamsa > > > > > list recently and it was forwarded to me by a friend. > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > > > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now as > > > > > > per Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu > > > > > > becomes AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating > > > > > > the Ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > I clearly wrote (see the article at the end): " In the case of > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. " > > > > > > > > > > Pt Rath missed the explicitly stated fact that I also took Rahu as AK > > > > > and not " another planet other than Rahu " as he *imagined* above. Pt > > > > > Rath also missed the explicitly stated fact that I count houses > > > > > anti-zodiacally from Rahu. Pt Rath missed the fact that I do not try > > > > > to see the trees without seeing the forest first and I do not look > > > for > > > > > dasa mahavidyas or dasavatara lists and use the basic list of > > > Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > Given the factual errors in attributing things to me above, it is > > > > > clear that Pt Rath proceeded to critique my views without reading > > > them! > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > Criticizing someone's view without reading it properly (let alone > > > > > giving it due consideration! ) and based on one's own > > > *imagination* of > > > > > what the other person is saying, demonstrates a *desperation* to > > > > > criticize. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > Sarada Mata's Moon is not in Ge in D-20, but in Ta, if one uses > > > Lahiri > > > > > ayanamsa or Jagannatha ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > Pt Rath said that " Ramakrishna Paramahamsa " is the " ishta devata " of > > > > > Vivekananda. But my view is that Ramakrishna Paramahamsa is his guru. > > > > > Many Hindu saints explicitly worship guru with a mantra. But that > > > does > > > > > not make guru their " ishta devata " . > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda saw Kaali as a small girl throughout the second half of > > > > > his life, talked to her as a person and was guided by her. He said he > > > > > stopped seeing her a few days before leaving his body. If that does > > > > > not make her his ishta devata, I do not know what will! > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > Regarding " Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory " , Parasara explicitly gave the > > > > > criteria to decide when to use 7 chara karakas and when to use 8 > > > chara > > > > > karakas. Both KN Rao group that uses 7 chara karakas always and Pt > > > > > Rath group that uses 8 chara karakas in human charts always are in > > > > > violation of Parasara's explicit teaching. > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha made an effort to understand and share the understanding > > > > > (http://vedicastrolo ger.org/articles /c_karaka. pdf). His view > > > may or > > > > > may not be perfect, but it is closer to Parasara's teaching. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > > > > > Parasara asked to see the deity one worships from the 12th from AK's > > > > > amsa and NOT what one " esablishes " . Pt Rath is trying to deviate > > > from > > > > > Parasara and see everything from the 12th from AK! > > > > > > > > > > In my view, dasamsa is the chart for one's activities and > > > > > accomplishments ( " mahatphalam " is seen in D-10, according to > > > > > Parasara). AK shows the soul and the *graha arudha* of AK should show > > > > > how the soul manifests to the world. After all, one's mission or > > > > > achievement is an attribute of the *manifestation* of one's soul to > > > > > the world. The 9th house from the graha arudha of AK in D-10 could > > > > > indicate what the world views as a major mission (dharma/duty) of > > > > > one's soul. > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda and Sarada Mata had graha arudha of AK in Cn in D-10. The > > > > > 9th was in Pisces showing establishing Vedanta and other knowledge of > > > > > rishis. As another example, graha arudha of AK in Aurobindo's D-10 is > > > > > in Ar. The 9th from there has Sg with Ketu in it, showing > > > > > establishment of dharma and Vedic knowledge. As another example, > > > graha > > > > > arudha of AK in Ramana Maharshi's D-10 is in Sc. The 9th house > > > > > contains exalted Jupiter and shows teaching sublime Vedic truths. > > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati had graha arudha of AK in Li and the > > > > > 9th again had Jupiter in Ge, showing establishment and lecturing of > > > > > Vedic knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > All these saints have Jupiter involved. As a comparison, see other > > > > > kinds of charts. Bill Gates has AK Saturn in Cn, his graha arudha in > > > > > Ar and the 9th has Mercury (knowledge, communications and computing). > > > > > Adolf Hitler has AK Venus in Sg, his graha arudha in Li and the 9th > > > > > from it has Sun (power). Composer A.R. Rahman (of Jai ho fame) has AK > > > > > Sun in Cn, his graha arudha in Ta (empty) and its lord Venus exalted > > > > > (music and artistic creativity). > > > > > > > > > > Thus, the mission and what one achieves and establishes in one's life > > > > > may be better seen from the 9th from the graha arudha of AK in D-10, > > > > > than from the 12th house from AK in navamsa or vimsamsa. > > > > > > > > > > When we extrapolate things not mentioned by rishis, we need to be > > > > > intelligent and consistent. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@ ...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha Theory #1: Ista devata is to be seen from the Vimsamsa > > > > > instead of the Navamsa chart > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > The arguments given were the charts of Sri Ramakrishna besides > > > others - > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > > > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > > > things > > > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at Dakshineshwar > > > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > > > material world). > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us examine the Vimsamsa and Navamsa charts > > > > > > > > > > > > In both the charts the atmakaraka Rahu is in Capricorn and the 12th > > > > > house in both the charts is the same with the difference being that > > > > > the Sun in Sagittarius is in the 12H from Karakamsa in D9 while the > > > > > 12H from karakamsa in D20 is empty. How does the 12H from karakamsa > > > > > show Kaali? > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now as per > > > > > Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu becomes > > > > > AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating the Ista > > > devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding Parashara is another cup of tea. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vimsamsa, the *form* of the devata that one loves will come into > > > > > the picture. Ramakrishna loved Kaali as this is indicated by the > > > *Moon > > > > > in Lagna in Aquarius*. This was His upaasita devata (Upasana or > > > > > penance deity). We can also say that as the Moon (in Aq = Kaali) > > > joins > > > > > the 9th Lord, this devata form was associated with a temple. > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Sarada Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Sarada Ma, the atmakaraka Moon is in > > > Sagittarius > > > > > navamsa. The ista devata is seen in the 12th house Scorpio which is > > > > > empty and its lord Ketu joins AK Moon. Sri Sarada Ma has said that > > > she > > > > > is *Bagala* [this is Her statement]. This is seen from the energy of > > > > > Scorpio brought by Ketu to the AK Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Mercury also conjoins the AK Moon and the Ista planet Ketu > > > > > thereby indicating Sodasi (Tripura sundari). Sri Ramakrishna saw Her > > > > > as Sodasi and also worshipped Her as such. Therefore it is clear that > > > > > Sri Sarada Ma is a dual manifestation of both Sri Bagalamukhi and Sri > > > > > Tripurasundari and these are Her ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > Apply narasimha Theory. The AK Moon is in Gemini Vimsamssa and the > > > > > 12th house is Taurus indicating the Ista devata as Lakshmi. > > > Definitely > > > > > wrong approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > > > ========= ======== > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Swami Vivekanada, the Atmakaraka Sun is in > > > > > Sagittarius Navamsa and the 12H from it is Scorpio with Jupiter in it > > > > > indicating Shiva/Guru as Ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda worshipped Thakur with the mantra *om hriiM namo > > > > > bhagavate raamakrishnaaya* [see the first letters of each line of > > > > > Ramakrishna stotra, the mantra is hidden in there]. Thakur > > > ramakrishna > > > > > was His Ista devata and was Shiva for Him, protector, teacher and > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > Applying Narasimha AK Vimsamsa theory, the Sun is in Pisces and 12H > > > > > is having Rahu and Ketu and giving me arguments like Durga and > > > ganesha > > > > > as Ista for Him is not going to work. > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > > > ========= ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > How God/Ista devata helps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Ramakrishna, the Ista Devata Sun is in > > > > > Sagittarius navamsa ...both the two souls who made the Ramakrishna > > > > > Mission happen - Swami Vivekanada and Sarada ma, had AK in > > > Sagittarius > > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > The message that Pt Rath was commenting on > > > > > http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings/message/ 5 > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > I mentioned a formula that occurs commonly in the charts of spiritual > > > > > greats, though it is not that common in regular charts. The long > > > > > discussion on sohamsa that followed that post ignored the actual > > > > > formula and its building blocks and focused on other things. I > > > want to > > > > > say more on one important building block used in that formula. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > In the chapter called " kaarakaamsa phala " in BPHS, Parasara mentioned > > > > > the deities worshipped based on the planets in the 12th from > > > > > kaarakaamsha. For example, Sun in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of > > > > > Shiva and Moon in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of Gouri. > > > > > > > > > > The term " kaarakaamsa " means " AK's amsa " . Amsa only means division. > > > > > Which amsa or division is Parasara referring to? > > > > > > > > > > Though people jumped to the conclusion that amsa means navaamsa by > > > > > default, there is one more important thing to consider here. At the > > > > > onset itself, Parasara clarified which amsas (divisions) are used for > > > > > which purposes. He clearly said " upaasanaayaaH viGYaanaM saadhyaM > > > > > viMshati bhaagake " , meaning " the knowledge of one's worship and > > > > > spiritual practices is possible in D-20 " . > > > > > > > > > > If, having said that at the onset, he defines which deities are > > > > > worshipped based on the 12th house from AK in an " amsa " , can the amsa > > > > > in question be anything other than D-20?! After all, he clearly said > > > > > one's upaasanaa is seen from D-20. So the principles laid out > > > later by > > > > > Parasara for upaasanaa *must* be referring to D-20 by " amsa " and > > > *not* > > > > > D-9 as people normally take. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > People faithfully follow tradition and suggest specific ishta devatas > > > > > to people. However, had some spiritual greats who were liberated by > > > > > the grace of a deity come to us, we would've probably prescribed a > > > > > different deity to them. There are several examples and I will > > > share a > > > > > few here. > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter (Vaamana/Taaraa) . > > > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > > > things > > > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at Dakshineshwar > > > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > > > material world). > > > > > > > > > > Such logic is unreasonable. Bottomline is that Ramakrishna revered > > > and > > > > > surrendered to mother Kaali. He saw her in an idol, in a cat, in a > > > > > flower, in the entire creation and in the light that fills the entire > > > > > universe. The one who appears scary to several was a beautiful and > > > > > loving mother to him and She guided his life completely and liberated > > > > > him. Even before entering nirvikalpa samadhi (a state beyond forms, > > > > > including the Kaali form), he asked Kaali for permission. That shows > > > > > what Kaali meant to him! If Jyotish principles you use show Raama or > > > > > Taaraa as his ishta devata, probably your knowledge is incomplete or > > > > > incorrect. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Sg in D-9 and Sc is empty. > > > > > Mars and Ketu own it. One would've suggested Narasimha or Bagalamukhi > > > > > for Mars or Matsyavatara or Dhumavati for Ketu. Her life too was > > > > > guided (and liberated) by mother Kaali. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Sg. Jupiter is in 12th > > > > > and Mars owns it. One would've suggested Vaamana or Taaraa for > > > Jupiter > > > > > or Narasimha or Bagalamukhi for Mars. Swamiji was into Gayatri mantra > > > > > and Chandipath. He saw Kaali as a girl and talked to her for most of > > > > > the second half of his life and derived his energy from her. He > > > > > remarked in his last few days that the girl Kaali who was around him > > > > > and giving him energy was no longer visible. If one has saayujya > > > > > (togetherness) of a deity while living and the deity is constantly > > > > > guiding one, that definitely must be one's ishta devata. > > > > > > > > > > For Ramana Maharshi, 12th from AK Moon contains Ketu in navamsa and > > > > > Venus owns and aspects 12th. However, he obtained liberation > > > guided by > > > > > Shiva at Arunachalam. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > If we cannot see the correct deity in the case of spiritual giants > > > who > > > > > succeeded by surrendering to a specific deity, what good are our > > > > > principles and how well can we guide people? > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > I suggest going back to Parasara and using D-20 instead of D-9. There > > > > > is one special point when Rahu is AK. > > > > > > > > > > Planets have argala on the 3rd, 10th and 12th houses from them. > > > > > Parasara taught that these houses are counted *anti-zodiacally* when > > > > > we find the argala of *Rahu and Ketu* on various signs and planets. > > > > > This makes sense intuitively, as Rahu and Ketu move anti-zodiacally. > > > > > What Rahu considers as the 1st or 2nd house from him would be > > > based on > > > > > his anti-zodiacal movement. If 0-30 deg from the longitude of Mars is > > > > > 1st house from Mars, 30-60 deg from the longitude of Mars is 2nd > > > house > > > > > from Mars and so on, as Parasara taught in BPHS, then 360-330 deg > > > from > > > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 1st house from Rahu and 330-300 deg from > > > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 2nd house from Rahu and so on. Even in > > > > > the evaluation of chara karakas, Parasara mentioned subtracting > > > Rahu's > > > > > progress in sign from 30 deg and that is consistent with this entire > > > > > philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > Thus, I conclude that houses should be reckoned anti-zodiacally from > > > > > Rahu, if Rahu is AK. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > Now, let us revisit previous examples. I am using Jagannatha > > > ayanamsa. > > > > > I will stick to Parasara's approach and build on it, rather than use > > > > > the list of dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. For example, Sun shows > > > > > Shiva according to Parasara, when influencing the 12th from AK in > > > amsa > > > > > (D-20). I will not take Sun to show Rama or Maatangi. Instead of > > > > > trying to see trees without checking if we are in the right forest, > > > > > let us first focus on seeing the forest. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. The > > > > > 12th house counted anti-zodiacally is Aq, owned by Saturn and Rahu, > > > > > who are together with Ketu in Cp. As per Parasara, Rahu (and also > > > > > Saturn sometimes) shows taamasik deities such as Durga ( " taamasIm > > > > > durgaaM " , said Parasara) and ugra devatas. Out of the deities listed > > > > > by Parasara, this is the group that Kaali would fall in. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Ta in D-20. The 12th house > > > > > is Ar, owned by Mars. Mars is with Saturn in Aq and both aspect Ar. > > > > > Rahu and Ketu also aspect it. The influence of Aq, Saturn and Rahu is > > > > > coming again, like in Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Again Kaali is fine. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Pi in D-20. The 12th > > > > > from him is Aq containing Rahu and Ketu and Saturn owns it. Again, > > > the > > > > > same influence as the above two charts is seen, which makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > See, the three of them have the same influences on the 12th from > > > AK in > > > > > D-20! > > > > > > > > > > Just to contrast, let us take another sishya of Ramakrishna > > > > > Paramahamsa, who was a Vaishnava. Take Swami Trigunatitananda (1865 > > > > > Jan 30, 9:26 pm LMT, Naora, India). AK Jupiter is in Cn In D-20. The > > > > > 12th is Ge and is empty. Only Saturn aspects it from Vi. Mercury owns > > > > > Ge. The influence of Mercury and Saturn according to Parasara shows a > > > > > devotee of Vishnu. Swami Trigunatitananda was indeed a Vaishnava. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Srila Prabhupada, AK Rahu is in Sg. The 12th from him > > > > > reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp. Its lord Saturn is in Gemini owned > > > > > Mercury and aspected by Mercury. Saturn and Mercury show Vaishnavas. > > > > > He realized god through his surrender to Krishna, a form of Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Tridandi Chinna Jeeyar Swami (in the parampara of > > > > > Ramanujacharya) , AK Moon is in Cn in D-20. The 12th house Ge is > > > owned > > > > > by Mercury and Saturn occupies it. He has realized whatever he has > > > > > realized so far, through devotion to Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Ramana Maharshi, AK Moon is in Aq in D-20. The 12th > > > > > from him is Cp. It is empty. Jupiter with nodes in a friendly sign > > > > > aspects it. Parasara emphasized connection with Ketu in his formulas > > > > > for 12th from AK. So, we will take Jupiter's aspect on Cp to be more > > > > > important than Saturn's ownership. Jupiter shows Shiva. Ramana > > > > > Maharshi was devoted to Shiva at Arunachalam and realized Self. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, AK Saturn is in Cp in > > > > > D-20. The 12th from him is owned by Jupiter. He too was devoted to > > > > > Shiva and realized Self. > > > > > > > > > > Take Prof. K.S. Krishnamoorthy (1908 November 1, 12:11 pm IST, > > > > > Thiruvaiyaru) , the inventer of KP. His AK Rahu is in Sc in D-20. The > > > > > 12th from it reckoned anti-zodiacally is Sg. Its lord Jupiter is > > > in Sc > > > > > with 4 other planets. The strongest influence there is that of Ketu. > > > > > Moreover, Sg is Ketu's exaltation sign. He was devoted to Ganapathi. > > > > > > > > > > Take a person with birthdata 1968 March 19 evening, India. AK Saturn > > > > > is in Vi in D-20. The 12th lord from him is in a Martian sign. > > > Mars in > > > > > moolatrikona is aspecting 12th and 12th lord. His dominating > > > influence > > > > > suggests Kartikeya. He indeed practiced a Subrahmanya mantra and had > > > > > several mystical experiences and making good progress towards > > > realization. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Ramakrishnananda (disciple of Ramakrishna > > > > > Paramahamsa) , steadfast devotion to spiritual master was the > > > > > liberating factor. He constantly served Ramakrishna when he was here > > > > > and worshipped his relics everyday without fail after he left. > > > Once he > > > > > requested Ramakrishna for some spiritual experiences, seeing the > > > > > experiences and ecstasy of other disciples. When Ramakrishna said, " I > > > > > can do that. But you will not be able to serve me after that " , he > > > > > withdrew his request and said he was then not interested in any > > > > > experiences! He became liberated through complete surrender, perfect > > > > > devotion and tireless service to his guru. He was born on 1863 > > > July 13 > > > > > at 4:56 am LMT at Ichchapur, India. His AK Sun is in Aq in D-20. > > > There > > > > > are 3 planets in Cp, but only Jupiter is in the 12th house from Sun, > > > > > based on Sun's divisional longitude in D-20. > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Paramahamsa Yogananda (of kriya yoga and > > > > > " Self-Realization Fellowship " and author of " Autobiography of a > > > > > Yogi " ), AK Venus is in Ar in D-20. The 12th from him is owned by > > > > > Jupiter, who joins nodes. Jupiter can show Shiva, but he can also > > > show > > > > > surrender to a great guru, like in the above example. Paramahamsa > > > > > Yogananda may have worshipped several deities, but his surrender to > > > > > his guru Yukteshwar Maharaj (whom he met at 17) and guru parampara > > > > > (from Mahavatar Babaji) is what liberated him. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > You can see that I am sticking to the basic classification instead of > > > > > using dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. If the 12th from AK in navamsa > > > > > has Jupiter, some suggest Vaamana and some suggest Taaraa, while > > > > > Pararsara said Shiva. It is important to see the forest first and > > > then > > > > > try to see the trees. Clearly, Parasara's indications in BPHS show > > > > > that the 12th from AK in amsa (D-20) is meant to see the forest > > > (Shiva > > > > > or Vishnu or Gouri or Kartikeya etc). Seeing the specific form of > > > > > Vishnu or Shiva or Gouri etc must be from other modifying factors. I > > > > > will not go into that. But, I want to emphasize that going into trees > > > > > without making sure you are in the right forest is not so wise! > > > > > > > > > > There seem to be corruptions in our current knowledge. Going back to > > > > > Parasara faithfully, thinking logically and simplifying things > > > will be > > > > > helpful in getting more consistent results, in many areas. Unless the > > > > > principles one uses are verified based on reliable data (e.g. charts > > > > > of people who indeed made great spiritual progress by worshipping a > > > > > specific deity), they just remain theoretical and their utility > > > > > questionable. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Dear Narasimha, Thank you very much for taking the time to explain this fully. I personally value your statements very much because the brilliance, honesty, seriousness and sincerity is obvious. May God/Goddess give you the strength and continued enlightenment to serve Jyotish and to keep the field CLEAN! Kind regards, Ranjan , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Dear Rohiniranjan and others, > > I do hold independent views in several areas, but what you read in my book regarding graha arudhas is not my independent view. > > What I wrote about graha arudhas was what Pt Rath explicitly taught me then. The teachings were modified by him in later years, as happened with some other topics. > > * * * > > I was first taught explicitly by Pt Rath that bhava arudhas show the world's view of the native and graha arudhas show native's view of the world. That is what went into my book. > > Next, I was taught explicitly by Pt Rath that bhava arudhas show tangible inanimate objects related to a bhava, while graha arudhas of bhava lords show tangible " animate/intelligent " persons related to a bhava. > > What Rafal quoted from his " guruji " below, who according to him has the same opinion as Pt Rath, is yet another view. It says graha arudhas show how world sees you (but you may not be conscious of it) and bhava arudhas show how you consciously project yourself for the world to see you. > > * * * > > In the beginning, I assumed that whatever was taught by Pt Rath was knowledge tried and tested in a parampara for centuries. That is why I confidently put it in a book without questioning it or doing my own research. > > As time progressed, I found many holes and leaps of faith in his logic, many contradictions and inconsistencies. I kept giving him the benefit of doubt and kept assuming that there was something subtle that I was missing or he was holding some things back for future as I was not ready. Gradually, it became clear to me that he was simply making a lot of things up and reinventing himself as he went on. > > I discovered over the time that what I was taught was a mixture of: (1) a few gems from tradition that work nicely, (2) a lot of half-baked knowledge with roots in tradition but corrupted to varying degrees, and, (3) many wayward concepts thought of by an unreliable intuition in impulses and shared hastily without much balanced validation. > > It took me several years to get a grip on the situation and convince myself of my assessment. It took me several more years to do something about it, i.e. take conflicting teachings and see which ones make sense, reconcile with the words of rishis and do independent research. > > My book was written a decade ago when I was at the *very beginning* of this process of evolution. So there is a lot in it that I do not agree with anymore. My apologies for misleading. > > * * * > > Having weighed various of Pt Rath's teachings on this issue, contemplated on this issue and experimented over the years, my view in this matter is as follows. > > Bhava means that which is there (from the Sanskrit root - bhoo, i.e. to be). Graha means that which grabs [the consciousness]. Pada means an a symbol or a word or a tangible expression. > > Bhavas (houses) show various *inanimate* things, objects and situations. Grahas (planets) are the *animation* and intelligence (feelings, emotions, thoughts, motives etc) that interact with bhavas, enliven them and drive them to give the fruits of previous karmas. This animation/intelligence is what grabs various inanimate things/situations and animates them. > > Arudha pada of a bhava shows how those inanimate things and situations manifest externally in a tangible way. Arudha pada of a graha shows how the intelligence and animation (feelings, emotions, thoughts etc) represented by that planet manifest externally in a tangible way. > > For example, 4th house shows vehicles and happiness from vehicles. The facility to move is an inanimate situation shown by 4th house. The actual physical vehicle is a tangible/external inanimate object that reflects this. So A4 (bhava arudha pada of 4th house) shows it. The 4th lord shows the [internal] attitude towards the facility to move [and vehicle]. It shows the feeling and thinking with which one approaches the situation represented by the 4th house. How happy or sad or proud or ashamed or attached one feels towards one's vehicle, for example, is seen from the 4th lord. Finally, the feeling and thinking with which one *seems* to the world to approach the situation represented by the 4th house is is seen from the graha arudha of the 4th lord. How happy or sad or proud or ashamed or attached one seems to the world to feel towards one's vehicle is seen from it. > > Lagna shows the very being, arudha lagna shows how one's being (and conduct) comes across, lagna lord shows the thoughts, motives and intelligence driving one's being and graha arudha of lagna lord shows how the world views the thoughts, motives and intelligence driving one's being. > > * * * > > Let me take the Hitler example asked by you. AL is in Cn with Saturn in it and Mars aspecting it. His conduct comes across as being sensitive (Cn), unhappy (Saturn) and determined (Mars). > > Graha arudha of lagna lord Venus may be taken by some in Cp (Li is in 7th from Venus. Taking 7th from Li, we get Ar. Because 1st/7th from the planet are not allowed, take the 10th from Ar and land in Cp). However, Parasara's directive is to take the stronger sign owned by a planet. He did not define two graha arudhas of a planet based on the two signs owned (Ta and Li for Venus here), though JHora gives that also (select " Choose a view " in the pop-up menu on a chart and select " Dual graha arudha view " to get 2 graha arudhas for planets owning 2 signs). As per Parasara's definition, we take Ta as the stronger sign owned by Venus and get graha arudha of Venus is in Ge. > > Rahu in the graha arudha of lagna lord means that the world sees Rahu-like *motives and thinking* behind his personality and conduct. > > * * * > > Let us take some more examples. > > George W Bush had AL in Sc with Ketu in it. His personality and conduct comes across as being secretive (Sc) and erratic (Ketu) to some and determined (Sc) and spiritual (Ketu) to some (BTW, Ketu is strong). His lagna lord's graha arudha is in Ta with Rahu in it. Again world sees Rahu-like motives and thinking driving his personality and conduct. > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had AL and the graha arudha of lagna lord in Ge with Jupiter in it. His conduct and personality, as well as motives and thinking behind it, were seen to be influenced by Ge (idealistic, articulate) and Jupiter (teacher, wisdom). > > Swami Vivekananda had AL in Le and with Mercury and Venus having 3/4th aspect on it. He came across as a regal (Le), learned, eloquent (Mercury) and charming (Venus) person. Graha arudha of lagna lord was Aq, aspected fully by Jupiter. The motivations and thinking behind his personality were seen by the world to be influenced by Aq (philosopher) and Jupiter (teacher, wisdom). However, it is the graha arudha of AK that is the strongest reference in his chart (stronger than lagna, lagna lord, AL and graha arudha of lagna lord). Graha arudha of AK Sun is in Ar with Mars in it. While lagna lord shows the thinking, motivation and intelligence behind one's being and conduct, AK soul and its mission. Graha arudha of AK shows how the world views one's soul and its mission. Taking the graha arudha of AK as reference, we have Guru-Mangala yoga, yoga of 1st and 9th lords, on 1st/7th. It shows that the world views him as a soul who came to lead (Mars) a dharmik mission (9th lord Jupiter). > > JFK had AL in Sc aspected fully by Sun, Venus and Jupiter. His personality and conduct may be seen as being determined and inspirational (Sc), generous (Sun), charming (Venus in own sign) and wise (Jupiter). Graha arudha of lagna lord was in Le with Moon in it. World may see some regal (Le) and compassionate (Moon) motives and thoughts driving his personality. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Very interesting indeed, Mr. Gendarz! > > > > Could I impose upon your valuable time and request you to explain that using Hitler's chart? > > > > Thanks in advance for your kindness! > > > > RR_, > > > > vedic astrology , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > Dear Rohinranjan, > > > > > Small correction to make it clear: Sanjayji and my Guruji has different > > opinions than PVR Narasimhaji on various matters regarding Jyotish. > > > > > > Yes, my Guruji and Sanjayji often has different opinions on various > > > matters. > > > > > > This comes from my Guruji: > > > > > > * graha arudha shows how other see you and you may be not concious > > > about it > > > * arudha pada shows how you project yourself in the society - which > > > often is seen like that by others in consequence - this is fully > > > concious. > > > > > > These are very shallow definitions and there is much more when it comes > > > to graha arudha and arudha lagna. Graha arudhas are analysed to see > > > Lagna of our friends, enemies and also beside many other things to time > > > the demise. > > > > > > In my example my Lagnesh is Budha in forth house (mithuna lagna) which > > > makes Arudha sitting in forth house (matri bhava) in Kanya. Grahaarudha > > > is in the seventh house with Pisaca yoga (Ma/Ke) in seventh house > > > (vivaha bhava). > > > > > > It means that I project myself as writer and I think I do this in very > > > peaceful way (Budha = ahimsa) but often people criticize me for being > > > too harsh or argumentative which is the quality of Mangal being in graha > > > arudha of Lagnadhipati. > > > > > > This way the karma works. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > -------------- > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > http://rohinaa.com > > > rafal@ > > > starsuponme@ / > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm... Mr. Gendarz: What you wrote sounds opposite to what PVR wrote > > > > in his Integrated Astrology! > > > > > > > > He described Graha Arudha as being the way the nativity views the > > > > different things, so Graha Arudha of Lagnesh will 'show' or describe > > > > how the nativity sees him/herself, whereas, the arudha of lagna > > > > (house) will show how others perceive the Nativity. > > > > > > > > Maybe, that is what you meant or perhaps with time, the implications > > > > have gotten modified! > > > > > > > > Please clarify. Thanks! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > > Dear Lalitha, > > > > > > > > > > Just like the arudha of houses are the external manifestation of bhava, > > > > > graha arudha shows the point where the planet will show the > > > > > manifestation. For example graha arudha of lagnesh will show how > > > > other's > > > > > percieve the native, so its like the traces which stays after some > > > > > action is done by the actual Lagnadhipati. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> > > > > > rafal@ > > > > > starsuponme@ ... / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalitha Vuppaladadiyam pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Namo Bhagavathe Vaasudevaya > > > > > > > > > > > > Poojya Gurujis, > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anybody please explain what is meant by Graha Arudha? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > lalitha v > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ > > > > > > <pvr% 40charter. net>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ <pvr% 40charter. net>> > > > > > > [vedic astrology] The 12th from AK and 9th from AK-arudha > > > > > > JyotishWritings > > > > <JyotishWritings%40> > > > > > > <JyotishWrit ings%40grou ps.com>, > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic astrology%40> <vedic- astrology% > > > > 40. com> > > > > > > Cc: > > > > <%40> <JyotishGrou > > > > p%40. com> > > > > > > Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > I sent a writeup titled " On Seeing Deities from the 12th from > > > > > > Karakamsa " with many examples sometime back. I reproduced that > > > > writeup > > > > > > at the end of this email for easy reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > The enclosed critique on that writeup was posted by Pt Rath on > > > > sohamsa > > > > > > list recently and it was forwarded to me by a friend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > > > > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now as > > > > > > > per Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu > > > > > > > becomes AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating > > > > > > > the Ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > I clearly wrote (see the article at the end): " In the case of > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt Rath missed the explicitly stated fact that I also took Rahu as AK > > > > > > and not " another planet other than Rahu " as he *imagined* above. Pt > > > > > > Rath also missed the explicitly stated fact that I count houses > > > > > > anti-zodiacally from Rahu. Pt Rath missed the fact that I do not try > > > > > > to see the trees without seeing the forest first and I do not look > > > > for > > > > > > dasa mahavidyas or dasavatara lists and use the basic list of > > > > Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > > > Given the factual errors in attributing things to me above, it is > > > > > > clear that Pt Rath proceeded to critique my views without reading > > > > them! > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Criticizing someone's view without reading it properly (let alone > > > > > > giving it due consideration! ) and based on one's own > > > > *imagination* of > > > > > > what the other person is saying, demonstrates a *desperation* to > > > > > > criticize. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarada Mata's Moon is not in Ge in D-20, but in Ta, if one uses > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > ayanamsa or Jagannatha ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt Rath said that " Ramakrishna Paramahamsa " is the " ishta devata " of > > > > > > Vivekananda. But my view is that Ramakrishna Paramahamsa is his guru. > > > > > > Many Hindu saints explicitly worship guru with a mantra. But that > > > > does > > > > > > not make guru their " ishta devata " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda saw Kaali as a small girl throughout the second half of > > > > > > his life, talked to her as a person and was guided by her. He said he > > > > > > stopped seeing her a few days before leaving his body. If that does > > > > > > not make her his ishta devata, I do not know what will! > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding " Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory " , Parasara explicitly gave the > > > > > > criteria to decide when to use 7 chara karakas and when to use 8 > > > > chara > > > > > > karakas. Both KN Rao group that uses 7 chara karakas always and Pt > > > > > > Rath group that uses 8 chara karakas in human charts always are in > > > > > > violation of Parasara's explicit teaching. > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha made an effort to understand and share the understanding > > > > > > (http://vedicastrolo ger.org/articles /c_karaka. pdf). His view > > > > may or > > > > > > may not be perfect, but it is closer to Parasara's teaching. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > > > > > > > Parasara asked to see the deity one worships from the 12th from AK's > > > > > > amsa and NOT what one " esablishes " . Pt Rath is trying to deviate > > > > from > > > > > > Parasara and see everything from the 12th from AK! > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view, dasamsa is the chart for one's activities and > > > > > > accomplishments ( " mahatphalam " is seen in D-10, according to > > > > > > Parasara). AK shows the soul and the *graha arudha* of AK should show > > > > > > how the soul manifests to the world. After all, one's mission or > > > > > > achievement is an attribute of the *manifestation* of one's soul to > > > > > > the world. The 9th house from the graha arudha of AK in D-10 could > > > > > > indicate what the world views as a major mission (dharma/duty) of > > > > > > one's soul. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda and Sarada Mata had graha arudha of AK in Cn in D-10. The > > > > > > 9th was in Pisces showing establishing Vedanta and other knowledge of > > > > > > rishis. As another example, graha arudha of AK in Aurobindo's D-10 is > > > > > > in Ar. The 9th from there has Sg with Ketu in it, showing > > > > > > establishment of dharma and Vedic knowledge. As another example, > > > > graha > > > > > > arudha of AK in Ramana Maharshi's D-10 is in Sc. The 9th house > > > > > > contains exalted Jupiter and shows teaching sublime Vedic truths. > > > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati had graha arudha of AK in Li and the > > > > > > 9th again had Jupiter in Ge, showing establishment and lecturing of > > > > > > Vedic knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > All these saints have Jupiter involved. As a comparison, see other > > > > > > kinds of charts. Bill Gates has AK Saturn in Cn, his graha arudha in > > > > > > Ar and the 9th has Mercury (knowledge, communications and computing). > > > > > > Adolf Hitler has AK Venus in Sg, his graha arudha in Li and the 9th > > > > > > from it has Sun (power). Composer A.R. Rahman (of Jai ho fame) has AK > > > > > > Sun in Cn, his graha arudha in Ta (empty) and its lord Venus exalted > > > > > > (music and artistic creativity). > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, the mission and what one achieves and establishes in one's life > > > > > > may be better seen from the 9th from the graha arudha of AK in D-10, > > > > > > than from the 12th house from AK in navamsa or vimsamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > When we extrapolate things not mentioned by rishis, we need to be > > > > > > intelligent and consistent. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@ ...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha Theory #1: Ista devata is to be seen from the Vimsamsa > > > > > > instead of the Navamsa chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The arguments given were the charts of Sri Ramakrishna besides > > > > others - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter (Vaamana/Taaraa) .. > > > > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > > > > things > > > > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at Dakshineshwar > > > > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > > > > material world). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us examine the Vimsamsa and Navamsa charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In both the charts the atmakaraka Rahu is in Capricorn and the 12th > > > > > > house in both the charts is the same with the difference being that > > > > > > the Sun in Sagittarius is in the 12H from Karakamsa in D9 while the > > > > > > 12H from karakamsa in D20 is empty. How does the 12H from karakamsa > > > > > > show Kaali? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the theory of narasimha is wrong. Now to prove himself > > > > > > right he has to somehow define a new theory of Atmakaraka. Now as per > > > > > > Narasimha Atmakaraka Theory, another planet other than Rahu becomes > > > > > > AK. However, even then we do not have the Moon indicating the Ista > > > > devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding Parashara is another cup of tea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vimsamsa, the *form* of the devata that one loves will come into > > > > > > the picture. Ramakrishna loved Kaali as this is indicated by the > > > > *Moon > > > > > > in Lagna in Aquarius*. This was His upaasita devata (Upasana or > > > > > > penance deity). We can also say that as the Moon (in Aq = Kaali) > > > > joins > > > > > > the 9th Lord, this devata form was associated with a temple. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Sarada Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Sarada Ma, the atmakaraka Moon is in > > > > Sagittarius > > > > > > navamsa. The ista devata is seen in the 12th house Scorpio which is > > > > > > empty and its lord Ketu joins AK Moon. Sri Sarada Ma has said that > > > > she > > > > > > is *Bagala* [this is Her statement]. This is seen from the energy of > > > > > > Scorpio brought by Ketu to the AK Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Mercury also conjoins the AK Moon and the Ista planet Ketu > > > > > > thereby indicating Sodasi (Tripura sundari). Sri Ramakrishna saw Her > > > > > > as Sodasi and also worshipped Her as such. Therefore it is clear that > > > > > > Sri Sarada Ma is a dual manifestation of both Sri Bagalamukhi and Sri > > > > > > Tripurasundari and these are Her ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apply narasimha Theory. The AK Moon is in Gemini Vimsamssa and the > > > > > > 12th house is Taurus indicating the Ista devata as Lakshmi. > > > > Definitely > > > > > > wrong approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > > > > ========= ======== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Swami Vivekanada, the Atmakaraka Sun is in > > > > > > Sagittarius Navamsa and the 12H from it is Scorpio with Jupiter in it > > > > > > indicating Shiva/Guru as Ista devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda worshipped Thakur with the mantra *om hriiM namo > > > > > > bhagavate raamakrishnaaya* [see the first letters of each line of > > > > > > Ramakrishna stotra, the mantra is hidden in there]. Thakur > > > > ramakrishna > > > > > > was His Ista devata and was Shiva for Him, protector, teacher and > > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Applying Narasimha AK Vimsamsa theory, the Sun is in Pisces and 12H > > > > > > is having Rahu and Ketu and giving me arguments like Durga and > > > > ganesha > > > > > > as Ista for Him is not going to work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > > > > ========= ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How God/Ista devata helps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of Sri Ramakrishna, the Ista Devata Sun is in > > > > > > Sagittarius navamsa ...both the two souls who made the Ramakrishna > > > > > > Mission happen - Swami Vivekanada and Sarada ma, had AK in > > > > Sagittarius > > > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They established an important ashrama for spirituality (dharma, Sg) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > The message that Pt Rath was commenting on > > > > > > http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings/message/ 5 > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > I mentioned a formula that occurs commonly in the charts of spiritual > > > > > > greats, though it is not that common in regular charts. The long > > > > > > discussion on sohamsa that followed that post ignored the actual > > > > > > formula and its building blocks and focused on other things. I > > > > want to > > > > > > say more on one important building block used in that formula. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > In the chapter called " kaarakaamsa phala " in BPHS, Parasara mentioned > > > > > > the deities worshipped based on the planets in the 12th from > > > > > > kaarakaamsha. For example, Sun in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of > > > > > > Shiva and Moon in 12th from AK shows a worshipper of Gouri. > > > > > > > > > > > > The term " kaarakaamsa " means " AK's amsa " . Amsa only means division. > > > > > > Which amsa or division is Parasara referring to? > > > > > > > > > > > > Though people jumped to the conclusion that amsa means navaamsa by > > > > > > default, there is one more important thing to consider here. At the > > > > > > onset itself, Parasara clarified which amsas (divisions) are used for > > > > > > which purposes. He clearly said " upaasanaayaaH viGYaanaM saadhyaM > > > > > > viMshati bhaagake " , meaning " the knowledge of one's worship and > > > > > > spiritual practices is possible in D-20 " . > > > > > > > > > > > > If, having said that at the onset, he defines which deities are > > > > > > worshipped based on the 12th house from AK in an " amsa " , can the amsa > > > > > > in question be anything other than D-20?! After all, he clearly said > > > > > > one's upaasanaa is seen from D-20. So the principles laid out > > > > later by > > > > > > Parasara for upaasanaa *must* be referring to D-20 by " amsa " and > > > > *not* > > > > > > D-9 as people normally take. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > People faithfully follow tradition and suggest specific ishta devatas > > > > > > to people. However, had some spiritual greats who were liberated by > > > > > > the grace of a deity come to us, we would've probably prescribed a > > > > > > different deity to them. There are several examples and I will > > > > share a > > > > > > few here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa' s AK Rahu is in Cp in D-9 and Sun > > > > > > (Raama/Maatangi) is alone in 12th owned by Jupiter (Vaamana/Taaraa) .. > > > > > > Pt Sanjay Rath once argued with me that Lord Rama (Sun) is > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata and tried to justify it alluding to > > > > things > > > > > > from Ramakrishna' s childhood. He also said that Tara (Jupiter) is > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s ishta devata, because the Kaali idol at Dakshineshwar > > > > > > temple was called " Bhava Taarini " (one who makes one cross the > > > > > > material world). > > > > > > > > > > > > Such logic is unreasonable. Bottomline is that Ramakrishna revered > > > > and > > > > > > surrendered to mother Kaali. He saw her in an idol, in a cat, in a > > > > > > flower, in the entire creation and in the light that fills the entire > > > > > > universe. The one who appears scary to several was a beautiful and > > > > > > loving mother to him and She guided his life completely and liberated > > > > > > him. Even before entering nirvikalpa samadhi (a state beyond forms, > > > > > > including the Kaali form), he asked Kaali for permission. That shows > > > > > > what Kaali meant to him! If Jyotish principles you use show Raama or > > > > > > Taaraa as his ishta devata, probably your knowledge is incomplete or > > > > > > incorrect. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Sg in D-9 and Sc is empty. > > > > > > Mars and Ketu own it. One would've suggested Narasimha or Bagalamukhi > > > > > > for Mars or Matsyavatara or Dhumavati for Ketu. Her life too was > > > > > > guided (and liberated) by mother Kaali. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Sg. Jupiter is in 12th > > > > > > and Mars owns it. One would've suggested Vaamana or Taaraa for > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > or Narasimha or Bagalamukhi for Mars. Swamiji was into Gayatri mantra > > > > > > and Chandipath. He saw Kaali as a girl and talked to her for most of > > > > > > the second half of his life and derived his energy from her. He > > > > > > remarked in his last few days that the girl Kaali who was around him > > > > > > and giving him energy was no longer visible. If one has saayujya > > > > > > (togetherness) of a deity while living and the deity is constantly > > > > > > guiding one, that definitely must be one's ishta devata. > > > > > > > > > > > > For Ramana Maharshi, 12th from AK Moon contains Ketu in navamsa and > > > > > > Venus owns and aspects 12th. However, he obtained liberation > > > > guided by > > > > > > Shiva at Arunachalam. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > If we cannot see the correct deity in the case of spiritual giants > > > > who > > > > > > succeeded by surrendering to a specific deity, what good are our > > > > > > principles and how well can we guide people? > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest going back to Parasara and using D-20 instead of D-9. There > > > > > > is one special point when Rahu is AK. > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets have argala on the 3rd, 10th and 12th houses from them. > > > > > > Parasara taught that these houses are counted *anti-zodiacally* when > > > > > > we find the argala of *Rahu and Ketu* on various signs and planets. > > > > > > This makes sense intuitively, as Rahu and Ketu move anti-zodiacally. > > > > > > What Rahu considers as the 1st or 2nd house from him would be > > > > based on > > > > > > his anti-zodiacal movement. If 0-30 deg from the longitude of Mars is > > > > > > 1st house from Mars, 30-60 deg from the longitude of Mars is 2nd > > > > house > > > > > > from Mars and so on, as Parasara taught in BPHS, then 360-330 deg > > > > from > > > > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 1st house from Rahu and 330-300 deg from > > > > > > Rahu's longitude must be the 2nd house from Rahu and so on. Even in > > > > > > the evaluation of chara karakas, Parasara mentioned subtracting > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > progress in sign from 30 deg and that is consistent with this entire > > > > > > philosophy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, I conclude that houses should be reckoned anti-zodiacally from > > > > > > Rahu, if Rahu is AK. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let us revisit previous examples. I am using Jagannatha > > > > ayanamsa. > > > > > > I will stick to Parasara's approach and build on it, rather than use > > > > > > the list of dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. For example, Sun shows > > > > > > Shiva according to Parasara, when influencing the 12th from AK in > > > > amsa > > > > > > (D-20). I will not take Sun to show Rama or Maatangi. Instead of > > > > > > trying to see trees without checking if we are in the right forest, > > > > > > let us first focus on seeing the forest. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, AK Rahu is in Cp in D-20. The > > > > > > 12th house counted anti-zodiacally is Aq, owned by Saturn and Rahu, > > > > > > who are together with Ketu in Cp. As per Parasara, Rahu (and also > > > > > > Saturn sometimes) shows taamasik deities such as Durga ( " taamasIm > > > > > > durgaaM " , said Parasara) and ugra devatas. Out of the deities listed > > > > > > by Parasara, this is the group that Kaali would fall in. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Sarada Mata, AK Moon is in Ta in D-20. The 12th house > > > > > > is Ar, owned by Mars. Mars is with Saturn in Aq and both aspect Ar. > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu also aspect it. The influence of Aq, Saturn and Rahu is > > > > > > coming again, like in Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Again Kaali is fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Vivekananda, AK Sun is in Pi in D-20. The 12th > > > > > > from him is Aq containing Rahu and Ketu and Saturn owns it. Again, > > > > the > > > > > > same influence as the above two charts is seen, which makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > See, the three of them have the same influences on the 12th from > > > > AK in > > > > > > D-20! > > > > > > > > > > > > Just to contrast, let us take another sishya of Ramakrishna > > > > > > Paramahamsa, who was a Vaishnava. Take Swami Trigunatitananda (1865 > > > > > > Jan 30, 9:26 pm LMT, Naora, India). AK Jupiter is in Cn In D-20. The > > > > > > 12th is Ge and is empty. Only Saturn aspects it from Vi. Mercury owns > > > > > > Ge. The influence of Mercury and Saturn according to Parasara shows a > > > > > > devotee of Vishnu. Swami Trigunatitananda was indeed a Vaishnava. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Srila Prabhupada, AK Rahu is in Sg. The 12th from him > > > > > > reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp. Its lord Saturn is in Gemini owned > > > > > > Mercury and aspected by Mercury. Saturn and Mercury show Vaishnavas. > > > > > > He realized god through his surrender to Krishna, a form of Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Tridandi Chinna Jeeyar Swami (in the parampara of > > > > > > Ramanujacharya) , AK Moon is in Cn in D-20. The 12th house Ge is > > > > owned > > > > > > by Mercury and Saturn occupies it. He has realized whatever he has > > > > > > realized so far, through devotion to Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Ramana Maharshi, AK Moon is in Aq in D-20. The 12th > > > > > > from him is Cp. It is empty. Jupiter with nodes in a friendly sign > > > > > > aspects it. Parasara emphasized connection with Ketu in his formulas > > > > > > for 12th from AK. So, we will take Jupiter's aspect on Cp to be more > > > > > > important than Saturn's ownership. Jupiter shows Shiva. Ramana > > > > > > Maharshi was devoted to Shiva at Arunachalam and realized Self. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, AK Saturn is in Cp in > > > > > > D-20. The 12th from him is owned by Jupiter. He too was devoted to > > > > > > Shiva and realized Self. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take Prof. K.S. Krishnamoorthy (1908 November 1, 12:11 pm IST, > > > > > > Thiruvaiyaru) , the inventer of KP. His AK Rahu is in Sc in D-20. The > > > > > > 12th from it reckoned anti-zodiacally is Sg. Its lord Jupiter is > > > > in Sc > > > > > > with 4 other planets. The strongest influence there is that of Ketu. > > > > > > Moreover, Sg is Ketu's exaltation sign. He was devoted to Ganapathi. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take a person with birthdata 1968 March 19 evening, India. AK Saturn > > > > > > is in Vi in D-20. The 12th lord from him is in a Martian sign. > > > > Mars in > > > > > > moolatrikona is aspecting 12th and 12th lord. His dominating > > > > influence > > > > > > suggests Kartikeya. He indeed practiced a Subrahmanya mantra and had > > > > > > several mystical experiences and making good progress towards > > > > realization. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Swami Ramakrishnananda (disciple of Ramakrishna > > > > > > Paramahamsa) , steadfast devotion to spiritual master was the > > > > > > liberating factor. He constantly served Ramakrishna when he was here > > > > > > and worshipped his relics everyday without fail after he left. > > > > Once he > > > > > > requested Ramakrishna for some spiritual experiences, seeing the > > > > > > experiences and ecstasy of other disciples. When Ramakrishna said, " I > > > > > > can do that. But you will not be able to serve me after that " , he > > > > > > withdrew his request and said he was then not interested in any > > > > > > experiences! He became liberated through complete surrender, perfect > > > > > > devotion and tireless service to his guru. He was born on 1863 > > > > July 13 > > > > > > at 4:56 am LMT at Ichchapur, India. His AK Sun is in Aq in D-20. > > > > There > > > > > > are 3 planets in Cp, but only Jupiter is in the 12th house from Sun, > > > > > > based on Sun's divisional longitude in D-20. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of Paramahamsa Yogananda (of kriya yoga and > > > > > > " Self-Realization Fellowship " and author of " Autobiography of a > > > > > > Yogi " ), AK Venus is in Ar in D-20. The 12th from him is owned by > > > > > > Jupiter, who joins nodes. Jupiter can show Shiva, but he can also > > > > show > > > > > > surrender to a great guru, like in the above example. Paramahamsa > > > > > > Yogananda may have worshipped several deities, but his surrender to > > > > > > his guru Yukteshwar Maharaj (whom he met at 17) and guru parampara > > > > > > (from Mahavatar Babaji) is what liberated him. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > You can see that I am sticking to the basic classification instead of > > > > > > using dasavataras or dasa mahavidyas. If the 12th from AK in navamsa > > > > > > has Jupiter, some suggest Vaamana and some suggest Taaraa, while > > > > > > Pararsara said Shiva. It is important to see the forest first and > > > > then > > > > > > try to see the trees. Clearly, Parasara's indications in BPHS show > > > > > > that the 12th from AK in amsa (D-20) is meant to see the forest > > > > (Shiva > > > > > > or Vishnu or Gouri or Kartikeya etc). Seeing the specific form of > > > > > > Vishnu or Shiva or Gouri etc must be from other modifying factors. I > > > > > > will not go into that. But, I want to emphasize that going into trees > > > > > > without making sure you are in the right forest is not so wise! > > > > > > > > > > > > There seem to be corruptions in our current knowledge. Going back to > > > > > > Parasara faithfully, thinking logically and simplifying things > > > > will be > > > > > > helpful in getting more consistent results, in many areas. Unless the > > > > > > principles one uses are verified based on reliable data (e.g. charts > > > > > > of people who indeed made great spiritual progress by worshipping a > > > > > > specific deity), they just remain theoretical and their utility > > > > > > questionable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.