Fwd: [Ind. & West. Astrology] There are no Mangal, Shanir etc. planets in the Vedas!

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Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , " Krishen "

<jyotirved wrote:

 

Dear Astro-Veda,

Jai Shri Ram!

<I am reading VEDAS>

That is the real good news in a pretty long time! I wish more and more

people start learning the Vedas like you. We will not then have to

depend on imported Vamadevas to interpret the Vedas in a manner that

only tries to prove that the real Vamadevas had nothing else to do

except make predictions from Mars and Saturn via Aries and Taururs etc.

<so it looks that ANGIRAS as planet and also one part of Saptarishi

mandal.>

I remember having come across the word Angirasa in several Vedic and

Pauranic mantras/shlokas, but I have never been able to connect it to

any planet at all. As such, I have no idea as to on basis

Monier-Williams has said that Angira was known as Brihaspati in

astronomy. I am sure Monier-Williams would not have said so unless he

had checked all the references, and so maybe he has found that type of a

reference in some sidhanta or karna-grantha.

< Let me also paste the third persons voice from a site :->

Your quotations from Theosophy dictionary are marvellous. Could you pl.

give the address of the website. In any case, even that dictionary has

not linked Angirasa to any planet, whether Mars or Jupiter, though it

has related it to one of the Seven Seers.

And that reminds me that Angira is one of the Saptarishis--- a Sanskrit

equivalent of Epsilon Ursae Majoris, also known as Alioth.

Anybody can determine its longitude from 10000 BCE to 12030 AD through

Vasishth.exe program in hinducalendar forum!

So that settles it! In astronomy, Angira is not the planet Mars but one

of the Saptarishis, and just possible that in the mantras of the

Samaveda quoted by you, the Star Ursae Epsilon Majoris he has been

referred to.

Jai Shri Ram.

A K Kaul

Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest ,

Astro.Vedas@@ wrote:

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> Dear Shri Kaulji,

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> I am reading VEDAS, so it looks that ANGIRAS as planet and also one

part of Saptarishi mandal.

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> I can understand that it can not be planet for you, but let ppl

understand what that could be,

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> Let me also paste the third persons voice from a site :-

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> Angiras: Spiritual - Theosophy Dictionary on Angiras

> Angiras (Sanskrit) (from the verbal root ang to go, move tortuously

(cf agni))

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> One of the Saptarshis (seven rishis) or manasaputras (mind-born sons

of Brahma) of the first manvantara; a secondary projection of Brahma's

mind and will because his first " mind-engendered progeny . . . did not

multiply themselves (VP 1:7; SD 2:78). Hence Angiras is one of the

prajapatis or progenitors whose sons and daughters people the earth in

succeeding manvantaras, mankind included in their progeny.

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> These progenitors are divided into two main classes: those which are

incorporeal, such as the agnishvattas, and those which are corporeal,

such as the angirasas, the descendants of Angiras (VP 3:14).

Theosophically, angirasas are a class of manasaputras, the emanated

offspring of the incorporeal agnishvattas or kumaras. In the seventh

manvantara (our present one) Angiras is given as the son of Agni, though

originally Agni was born from Angiras. In astronomy Angiras is both the

father or regent of Brihaspati (the planet Jupiter) and the planet

itself; also a star in Ursa Major, inasmuch as Angiras is one of the

seven great rishis. As such the name of Angiras is linked with the

bringing of light and associated with luminous bodies.

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> A number of hymns in the Rig-Veda are attributed to Angiras, and in

one of his births he is famed for his supreme virtue and as an expounder

of brahma-vidya (divine or transcendental wisdom). In the Vayu-Purana

and elsewhere in Puranic literature some of the descendants of Angiras

were said to be Kshattriya by birth and Brahmins by calling (VP 4:8n

p.39).

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> http://www.experiencefestival.com/angiras

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> Astro.Vedas

> Â --- On Wed, 11/11/09, AKKaul@ AKKaul@ wrote:

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> AKKaul@ AKKaul@

> [ind. & West. Astrology] There are no Mangal, Shanir etc.

planets in the Vedas!

> indian_astrology_group_daily_digest

> Cc: hinducalendar , ,

" 'subash razdan' " subashrazdan@

> Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:42 AM

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Dear Astroveda,

> Jai Shri Ram!

> < I am pasting below translation of 4 Mantras related to

Angirasas(Future Mars) from Samveda >

> Regarding the meaning of doubtful Sanskrit words, I always consult

" shabdakalpadrumah " . It is the ultimate authority since it gives

all the required references also. It is a work of five vols.

published by Rashtriya Sanskrit Samsthan, 56-57A, Institutional Area,

Janakppuri, New Delhi, and is priced extremely low, perhaps less than

Rs. 2000. There is another work named " Vachaspatyam " by Vachaspati

Mishra, the famous commentator on Brahma-Sutra. That work  also has

been published by the same institution. That was out of stock for

some time and maybe it is available now.

> The meaning of " Angira " as given is Shabdakalpadruma is,

" munivisheshah. sai chai brahmano mukhajjatah. tasya bharya

kardama muni kanya shradhha. putrah utathya.... " which means, " AÂ

particular munih, who was born from the mouth of  Brahma. His

wife was named shradha, who was the daughter of kardama munih.... "

> Amarakosha has given the synonyms of Mars as, “angarakah kujo

bhaumo lohitango maheesutahâ€.  There is no mention of

Angirasa in these synonyms either. In fact, Amarkosha has not

included the word angiarasa in the kosha at all!  Maybe some

people are confusing Angarakah as Angirasa!

> As per Monier-Williams, “Angirasa---an enemy of Vishunu in his

incarnation of Parshuramaâ€, whereas “Angiras is the name

of a Rishi, author of the hymns of RV, ix, of a code of laws and of a

treatise on astronomy; he is considered as one of the seven r ishis of

the first manvantaraâ€. Monier-Williams has said further,

“In astronomy he is the planet Jupiter (and not Mars!) and a star

in Ursa Majorâ€. He has, however, not given any references

for the same. And it is a moot point as to how someone can be the

planet Brihaspati and also a star in a far off constellation

simultaneously!

> According to Monier-Williams again, “Angiras are the priests

who by using the magical formulae of the Atharva Veda, protect the

sacrifice against the effects of inauspicious accidentsâ€.

> " Venah " .. " prajapatih, iti unadikoshah. prithurajapita yatha

markandeye. deva visheshah iti nighantuh. ....venah kantah etat

sanjyo madyamasthano devah...tadbahashye sayanah. yajnyah iti

nighantuh. medhavee it nighantuh. ...venah kamaneeyo medhave

va " .

> Thus Venah is a synonym of prajapatih as per unadikoshah. Vena

was the father of Prithu, since as per the Puranas, he was a very wicked

king and was killed by curse of brahmins. They then churned his

body out of which king Prithu is said to have emerged. It is said

that Prithivi was named after king Prithu. Venah is a name of a

deva as per Sayana Acharya. Venah also means intelligent as per

nighantu " .

> According to Monier-Williams, “Venah---name of a divine being

of teh middle region. Also applied to sun, prajapatih and a

gandharva. The name of a rjarshi or royal rishih said to have

perished through irreligious conduct and want of submissiveness to

Brahmins., founder of the race of nishadas and dhivaras.â€

> Thus Venah has absolutely nothing to do with the dead and wandering

body known as planet Venus in Greco-Chaldean astrology, which some

people embrace these days as “Vedic jyotishâ€.

> Brihaspati:Â It is the famous Devta, who is prayed to at every

function in the following  two shantipathah

> “svasti na indro vridhashravah, svasti no poosha vishva-vedah,

svasti nas tarkshyo arishta nemih, svasti no brihaspatir dadatuâ€.

> Here Brihaspati has been clubbed with Indira, the king of gods,

Poosha, the omniscient, Garuda, the “trouble

shooterâ€,

> In the following mantra also, Brihaspati has been clubbed with Mitrah,

Varunah, Aryama, and Vishnu.

> “sham no mitrah sham varunah, sham no bhavatu aryama. Sham no

indro brihaspatir, shamno vishnur urkramahâ€

> Thus it is one the deities of the Vedas and has nothing to do with the

Greek/Babylonian planet Jupiter, who has been hugged by “Vedic

jyotishis†as “devanam guruh birhaspatihâ€.

> <> Please let me know how Brihaspati have been used in VJ...>

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> There is no mention of Brihaspati in the VJ.Â

> Thus as seen above, Angirasa and Venah and Brihaspati are  not

inanimate wandering bodies but are Vedic munis or deities etc.

> We can thus safely conclude that there are no Mangal, Shukra and Shani

etc. planets in the Vedas, or the VJ etc.

> < My point is VEDIC ppl were knowing about the planets and information

of those planets went to Mesopotamia and Babylonia through AVESTA and

than to Egypt and GREECE...>

> It has become a fad these days to claim that even the useless and most

unreliable “art of predictions†also was expounded by the

 Vedic seers to start with and then it went to other countries!Â

We are doing actually the greatest injustice to the Vedic Seers by

attributing such non-sense to them.

> < And on the same theme archaeologist have found some

tablets(basically in the region of Assyrian) in Babylonia related to

astrology.>

> Thank God, they found it in Babylonia and not in India! I would

have to hang my head in shame then  if the real Vamadevas had also

been practicing predictive gimmicks in the name of “Vedic

astrologyâ€. As on date, I can proudly claim that I belong to

a race of Rishis who never had any faith in such fads as

phalita-jyotisha or hasta-samudrika etc.

> Jai Shri Ram

> A K Kaul

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> Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com,

Astro.Vedas@ @ wrote:

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> > Dear Shri Kaulji,

> >

> > I am pasting below translation of 4 Mantras related to

Angirasas(Future Mars) from Samveda :-

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> > Hence have these men gone up on high and mounted to the heights of

heaven:

> > On! conquer on the path by which Angirasas travelled to the skies!

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> > So, Angiras, we make thee strong with fuel and with holy oil.

> > Blaze high, thou youngest of the Gods!

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> > O Agni, the Angirasas discovered thee what time thou layest hidden,

fleeing back from wood to wood.

> > Thou by attrition art produced as conquering might, and men, O

Angiras, call thee the Son of Strength.

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> > What is the praise wherewith, O God, Angiras, Agni, Son of Strength,

> > We, after thine own wish and thought,

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> > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* *********

********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ***

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> > My point is VEDIC ppl were knowing about the planets and information

of those planets went to Mesopotamia and Babylonia through AVESTA and

than to Egypt and GREECE...

> >

> > All things have reached over there from here related to astronomy

than how there could be discontinuity on this point.

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> > I didnt say that it was being used for ASTROLOGY in VEDIC days but

yes they were observing those planets in the sky might be for the VEDIC

YAJNA,,, And they have also attributed some characteristics to them

which were copied on the same theme for astrology...

> >

> > And on the same theme archaeologist have found some

tablets(basically in the region of Assyrian) in Babylonia related to

astrology.

> >

> > Astro.Vedas

> >

> >

> > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com,

" Krishen " jyotirved@ wrote:

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> > > Dear Astroveda,

> > >

> > > Jai Shri Ram!

> > >

> > > < If you need VERSE numbers from VEDAS, let me know...>

> > >

> > > Pl. do so. In fact, if you ponder on the meaning of those mantras

> > > yourself, you will find the answeres to your questions that the

meaning

> > > of the words Angirasas etc. was never in the sense of planets like

> > > Mangal and Shani etc.

> > >

> > > Jai Shri Ram.

> > >

> > > A K Kaul

> > >

> > >

> > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com,

Astro Vedas

> > > <astro.vedas@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Some more questions to you :-

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> > > > What were Angirasas(Mars) , Vena(Venus), Brihaspati(Jupiter) in

> > > VEDAS.??

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> > > > If you need VERSE numbers from VEDAS, let me know...

> > > > Â

> > > > You say that we were not giving attention to planets in VEDIC

> > > period....Than could you please let me know than what was the use

of

> > > Angirasas in VERSES....

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> > > > How Vena have been used in VEDAS...

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> > > > Please let me know how Brihaspati have been used in VJ....

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> > > > Please also let us know the characteristics of all those,

> > > Angirasas(Mars) , Vena(Venus), Brihaspati(Jupiter) in VEDAS...

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> > > > Astro.Vedas

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> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Astro Vedas astro.vedas@ wrote:

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> > > > Astro Vedas astro.vedas@

> > > > Re: [ind. & West. Astrology] Rashis were sayana in

eleventh

> > > century India also!

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