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Dear friends,

 

Jai Shri Ram!

 

<I already told that the editor has expressed that the verse may be spurious

as he thought that the Indians learnt about rashi from the Greeks>

 

In other words, Shri Bhattacharya had advised Shri Mehrotra to buy INSA

edition of the VJ, that was supposed to contain the spurious mantra as a

genuine mantra, without having read/seen it himself! After I uploaded it

on several forums, now he says “the editor has expressed that the verse may

be spurious”.

 

We must not forget that the original commentator/translator viz. Shri T. S.

Kuppanna Sastry of the INSA edition of VJ was an Hony. Professor at Sanskrit

College, Madras, and this is what he had said on page 452 of his “Collected

Papers on Jyotisha” published by Kendriya Sanskrit Vidyapeeth, Tirupati, in

1989, “In the works of this period (Circa 100 BC to Circa 300 AD) the

influence of Greek culture on Hindu astronomy and astrology is visible for

the first time. The names of weekdays like Ravi-vasara, Indu-vasara etc.

and the names of the 12 solar signs composing the zodiac like Mesha,

Rishabha etc. occur for the first time now. These originated in Babylonia

and reached India via the Greeks”

 

On page 50 of the Vedanga Jyotisha, INSA edition, he has said about the

spurious Rashi mantra the same thing categorically,” This verse (rashi

mantra in the VJ) is patently an interpolation. Firstly, it is un-numbered

and found only in the Yajusa recension. Secondly, the word rashi itself,

meaning the division of the zodiac of 30° each, named Mesa (Aries), Rsabha

(Taurus) to Mina (Pisces), is of foreign origin and came into India only

during the first centuries AD along with Greek astrology. Up to and

including the time of the early astronomical samhitas of the last centuries

BC, the only zodiacal division known in India were the nakshatra divisions.

Rashi as used in the VJ means only group. For example, parva-rashi, meaning

the group of fortnights and bha-rashi, meaning the group of nakshatra

segments”.

 

Similarly, Dr. K. V. Sarma, the editor of INSA edition of the VJ was a

Professor at the Adyar Library Research Centre, and a scholar of repute. He

has thus confirmed the same thing in the VJ that there were no Mesha, Vrisha

etc. Rashis before first century BC in India.

 

OBVIOIUSLY, RASHI MANTRA IN THE VJ IS NOTING BUT SPURIOUS!

 

Regarding Yogavasishtha, I have already the five volume set of Chaukhamba

with Hindi translation. Thanks for the confirmation that Shri Bhattacharjya

had confused Chaukhamba with Gita Press!

 

<If Shri Kaul is unable to interpret the verses of the Balakanda I would

advise him to read the recent mails sent by me and Shri Gopal Krishna Goelj

on the subject and if he still cannot understand >

 

It is really a surprising statement. I have quoted the Gitra Press

translation of the relevant shlokas that state that Bhagwan Ram was destined

to rule for eleven thousand years and He did actually rule for eleven

thousand years as per the Uttarakanda. So how could He have Incarnated in

7000 BCE, just because some jyotishsis want Him to have done so! As such,

the horoscopes of Bhagwan Ram floating around too are SPURIOUS AND NOTHING

BUT SPURIOUS!

 

<Shri Kaul thinks the Suryasiddhanta to be a work of the first century

BCE/CE, without having any proof. Let him live in his own imaginary world if

he likes to.>

 

Panchasidhantika is compilation of five sidhantas compiled by Varahamihira

in about 500 AD. Out of the five sidhantas, Surya Sidhanta is the only work

that gives the methodology of calculating planets vis-a-vis Mesha, Vrisha

etc. Rashis and even Ashvini, Bharni etc. nakshatras. Varahamihira says

that out of all the sidhantas available as on that date, the SS was " the

most accurate " . That in itself proves that there was absolutely no other

sidhanta of planetary longitudes in vogue then. Thus the Surya Sidhanta is

the only so called indigenous sidhanta talking of planetary longitudes, and

it could not be of a much earlier era than about 100 BCE/AD, naturally.

 

This has been clarified by Shri T. S. Kupanna Sastry and also Dr. K. V.

Sarma, as quoted above. Several other scientists and scholars like Dr.

Meghnad Saha, Shri S. B. Dikshit etc. also are of a similar view that Mesha,

Vrisha etc. rashis were impoted from Greece much after the invasion by

Alexander. Thus the Surya Sidhanta is a work of post Alexander’s invasion.

 

What is all the more surprising is that the Surya Sidhanta was obtained by

" Mahasura Maya " directly from " Surya Bhagwan " , whom Shri Bhattacharjya

presumes to be the son of Vivasvat manu. Maya has not referred to any

Purvacharyas having propounded any such shastra. That itself proves that

the SS is the " most ancient work " of planetary astronomy in India---and that

" ancient date cannot be prior to 100 BCE/AD in any case, as we have had

Greek invasions only around 300 BCE, and the SS was " revealed " only after

that invasion.

 

<Shri Kaul thinks the Suryasiddhanta to be a work of the first century

BCE/CE, without having any proof. Let him live in his own imaginary world if

he likes to. If however he wants the Siddhantic yuga calculations he should

approach Shri Vinay Jha or such a scholar, who has the confidence that he is

fully familiar with the important Siddhantic texts.>

 

The proofs that the Surya Sidhanta is a work of post first century BCE have

been given above. However, it is really surprising that on the one hand

Shri Bhattacharjya starts the discussion about the date and author of the

Surya Sidhanta himself and then wants that I should ask someone else about

it! Regarding the yuga durations of puranas, why can't he tell the forum

members as to whether those durations are the same as that of the Surya

Sidhanta or they are different from them and whether he believes in those

durations or not.

 

<He goes on ridiculing Mayasura that he had learnt Jyotish from Surya

Bhagawaan, without citing any verse. I remember to have read the name of

Vivasvat and not of Surya Bhagawwan in that context. Let Shri Kaul remain

in his imaginary world if he likes to.>

 

It appears Shri Bhattacharjya’s memory very often suffers from some bouts of

amnesia like (i) he had asked Shri Mehrotra to buy INSA edition of VJ to

verify for himself that the rashi mantra in the VJ was not spurious as he

had depended on his memory that he had seen such a mantra without having

seen it actually. (ii) His memory gave him the wrong information that he

had purchased the Gita Press edition of Yogavasishtha in five volumes, when

he had bought the Chaukhamba edition actually! (iii) And now he claims that

his memory tells him that Vivasvat of the Surya Sidhanta is some one else

than Surya Bhagwan. I have no comments, as such for his “remembering to

have read the name of Vivasvat and not of Surya Bhagwan in that context”.

 

Jai Shri Ram.

 

A K Kaul

 

 

 

HinduCalendar , " Krishen " <jyotirved wrote:

>

> , Sunil Bhattacharjya

sunil_bhattacharjya@ wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

>

> 1)

> The Internet link for the INSA book was given in the mail sometime back by

Shri Kaul himself. Then why can't he read it himself to see the rashi verse

it. I already told that the editor has expressed that the verse may be

spurious as he thought that the Indians learnt about rashi from the Greeks.

Just because the editor imagines that the verse could be spurious does not

make the verse spurious. Only an imbecile would agree with such

imaginations without substantiation. I also told that the editor had told

that the verse is there for its usefulness.

>

> 2)

> I bought the five volumes of the Yoga Vasishtha Maharamayana by paying one

thousand rupees plus postage from Chowkhamba twelve years ago. Sorry I wrote

it as from the Gita press, by mistake. If Shri Kaul wants to buy it he can

contact Chowkhamba and they have an office in Delhi but the price might have

gone up by now. The book is in Sanskrit-Hindi .I bought the two-volume

Bhagavat puran of the Gita press.

>

> 3)

> If Shri Kaul is unable to interpret the verses of the Balakanda I would

advise him to read the recent mails sent by me and Shri Gopal Krishna Goelj

ion the subject and if he still cannot understand the verses it is his

misfortune. It seems he is confused by the different dates of Lord Rama as

suggested by different people. It is upto him to decide whether he trusts

anybody's opinion or not or wants to go by himself. That is his decison and

nobody can help. Or he should go to a person whom he fully trusts.

>

> 4)

> Shri Kaul thinks the Suryasiddhanta to be a work of the f!rst century

BCE/CE, without having any proof. Let him live in his own imaginary world if

he likes to.

>

> 5)

> He goes on ridiculing Mayasura that he had learnt Jyotish from Surya

Bhagawaan, without citing any verse. I remember to have read the name of

Vivasvat and not of Surya Bhagawwan in that context. Let Shri Kaul remain

in his imaginary world if he likes to.

>

> 6)

> Shri Kaul thinks the Suryasiddhanta to be a work of the f!rst century

BCE/CE, without having any proof. Let him live in his own imaginary world if

he likes to.

> If however he wants the Siddhantic yuga calculations he should approach

Shri Vinay Jha or such a scholar, who has the confidence that he is fully

familiar with the important Siddhantic texts.

>

> Regards

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

>

> --- On Tue, 10/6/09, Krishen jyotirved@ wrote:

>

> Krishen jyotirved@

> Re: Rashi mantra in the Vedanga Jyotisha is

spurious!

>

> Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 9:02 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

Dear friends,

>

> Jai Shri Ram:

>

> There are two points that are still hanging in the air:

>

> 1. Where is the Rashi mantra of the Vedanga Jyotisha in the INSA

>

> edition, which Shri Bhattacharjya wanted Shri K. K. Mehrotra to buy to

>

> see it for himself as to how the translators/ commentators of the edition

>

> had declared it " not spurious " and numbered it as fifth mantra.

>

>

>

> 2. Has Shri Bhattacharya really bought the five folume edition of Yoga

>

> Vasishta Maharamayana with translatoin which has been published by Gita

>

> Press. If yes, he is requested to give me the address of the

>

> shop/booksell from which be bought it, since on enquiry, I find that

>

> Gita Press, Gorakhpur, have not published any such edition.

>

> Jai Shri Ram!

>

> A K Kaul

>

>

>

> <> , Sunil Bhattacharjya

>

> <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear friends,

>

> >

>

> > Shri Kaul says :

>

> >

>

> > Quote

>

> >

>

> > All that Shri Bhattacharjya wants to prove is that except for him and

>

> some " Vedic astrologers " , all the scholars of India like S B Dikshit

>

> and Dr. Kuppanna Shastry and Dr. Suresh Chandra Mishra and even Somakar

>

> or even Gita Press translators of the Valmiki Ramayana etc. etc.

>

> were/are good for nothing fellows and were/are influenced by Max

>

> Muller's chronology!

>

> >

>

> > Unquote

>

> >

>

> > Nothing can be further from the truth. Where did I say except for me

>

> and some Vedic astrologers? So many scholars (including those who do may

>

> not believe in astrology) reject the AIT - Chronology and not me and

>

> some Vedic astrologers alone. There have been lot of research lately

>

> and Shri Kaul seem to have been sleeping. Shri Kaul should wake up and

>

> look at the findings of the recent researches and the archaeological

>

> findings. He should also look at the deliberations in the different

>

> fora / . I said that the people like Dixit might have been

>

> honest. They had not had the benefit of seeing the results of the

>

> post-independence research. They were taught only what the colonial

>

> historians wanted them to know. The scholars like Dixit did not know

>

> about the colonial distortions of Ancient Indian History and that was

>

> not their fault. I respect people like Dixit and respectfully point out

>

> where they erred.

>

> >

>

> > The translator of the Balakanda, whoever he was, had erred. That is

>

> not the fault of the Gita Press. That translator did not understand the

>

> nuances of astrology. The Gita Press authorities does not check each and

>

> every lines translated. I have purchased several gita press books such

>

> as the five-volume Yoga-Vashishtha Ramayana and two-volume two-volume

>

> Bhagavat purana andther books. I have found the translation mistakes

>

> here and there. Just because it is from the G someoIta press i shall not

>

> accept that translation will be without any mistake.

>

> >

>

> > Now my friends, if Shri Kaul thinks that the Max Muller's date of Rig

>

> Veda in 1200 BCE

>

> > based on the Aryan Invasion Theory (AIT) is correct he is at liberty

>

> > to have that view. According to Max Muller the Epic age was several

>

> centuries fter the

>

> > date of the Veda and this means the Ramayana dates are much after

>

> 1200 BCE.

>

> > If you accept these dates then of course you can deduce that the

>

> > Indians might have learnt astrology from the Greeks. If you wish to

>

> believe in what Mr. Kaul says you can go ahead.

>

> >

>

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

>

> >

>

> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Krishen <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Krishen <jyotirved@ ..>

>

> > Re: Rashi mantra in the Vedanga Jyotisha is

>

> spurious!

>

> > <@ .

com>

>

> > Sunday, October 4, 2009, 8:58 AM

>

>

>

>

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