[Ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Dhruva the Ancient Vedic Pole Star

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Dear Malla ji,

I have already replied to your mail earlier.

Some persons say that some evidence is there

in Puranas that Makar Sankranti was celebrated on

the ingress of Sun in Tropical Capricorn.

There are Four Vedas , Six Shastras , lot of Aranyak

grantha and 42 puranas (including major and minor )'and

then vast litrature on astronomy and astrology (Samhita,

Jatak, and Mahurta).

Mahurta is the back bone of all astrological

practices in Indian Sub-continent, Mahurta depend on five limbs

of Panchang "

1. Day

2 Lunal Tithi

3 Nakshatra (27 -very well defined in all upnishads , and samhitas )

4 Karan - half part of the tithi

5 Yoga - formed by the addition of sidreal longitudes of Sun and Moon

Sidreal Makar sankranti is celebrated based on clear cut injuctions given in

Mahurta granths.

If some person wish to celebrate Makar Sankranti on ingress of Sun in

Tropical Capricorn , who is objecting it.

But the poeple of India are celebrating MAKAR SANKRANTI on the ingress

of Sun in Sidreal CAPRICORN ,is in line of mahurta shastra.

Who are these person's like Mr. kaul to object it.

Regards,

 

 

 

 

 

 

G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

INDIA

 

 

 

 

________________________________

hari <harimalla

Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest

Mon, 2 November, 2009 7:30:02 AM

Re: [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Dhruva the Ancient Vedic Pole Star

 

 

Dear shri Goelji,

naamskar!

<<It is very obvious that even before 6000 BC, the Vedic rishis made accurate

observations of the sky. The phenomena observed by them are recorded in Hindu

scriptures. They had, therefore, evolved a method to observe the precession of

the equinoxes. This is the most (and may well be the only) reliable method to

fix the different Eras.>>

 

Surely I agree with your above statement on precession.Your conclusion about the

origin of the chaturyuga is also laudable.It is the inter relationship of the

sun, moon and the stars.The kalpa in my view is the complete cycle of precession

or the great year, 25,800 years. When this cycle of 36o degrees is divided by 27

degrees,the sidereal lunar months converted to solar movement, we get the 14

manawantars. If the shift is bassed on the 12 sankrantis instead of the 14

sidereal lunar months, we have only 12 manawantars. Each cosmic month or great

month of 2150 years is thus one sankrantic manawantar, when we have to shift the

nirayan or sidereal sankranti,if the monthly shift is made on the basis of 12

sankrantis.On this concept is based my proposal of calendar reform.

Please give your opinion on this mattter.

Also kindly comment on my shift of nirayan uttaryan sankrnatis based on the

concept of uttarayan in Vedanga jyotish and the shift made by Barhmihir from the

sun in Dhanistha to makar sankranti as mentioned in his Brihad samhita.thanks.

Regards,

Hari Malla

 

Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Astro.Vedas@ @

wrote:

>

> Shri Goelji,

>

> I give very much importance to SAROS CYCLE in astrological predictions, more

than Sun and Moon because Saros cycle creates two points(Ra and Ke,, not exactly

those points but those points are just 1-2 degrees apart of those physical

point, Ra and Ke) with the help of EARTH, SUN and MOON....

>

> Goelji, power is going to be shifted to CHINA from USA and CHINA will become

super power of Millatry deptt but with in some centuries it will get transfered

to Delhi and then to Middle east...

>

> Instead of precession, Saros is more important for astrology and those are

main knot instead of Su and Mo in my view....

>

> Astro.Vedas

>

>

> Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Astro.Vedas@ @

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Goelji,

> > Â

> > Three Sun and Lunar cycles which are needed for Saros Cycle (Cycles by which

one can predict about Solar and Lunar eclipse) are mentioned in VEDAS.

> > Â

> > And see the claim of ppl that Saros cycle was discovered by Hipparchus,

Chooor(Thieves) Kahinkay....

> > Â

> > Hipparchus is of 2'nd Cent BCE era,,,and VEDAS can not be atleast ofÂ

first millenia BCE according to Max- Mulerian thinking ppl, Michael Witzel

(Rattled Rat).But in my view it(Vedas)Â predate or overlap Harappa

civilization.

> > Â

> > Astro.Vedas

> >

> > --- On Sun, 11/1/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ > wrote:

> >

> >

> > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ >

> > Re: [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Dhruva the Ancient Vedic Pole

Star

> > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

> > Sunday, November 1, 2009, 12:47 PM

> >

> >

> > Â

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear FRIENDS,

> > The Hymens in Taittarya Samhita indicates some

> > astronomical phenomenon.

> > I will search the answer of query and try to clarify.

> > As an example I am reproducing below a similar Hymen and its

> > astronomical significance:

> >

> > Â

> > The Astronomical hymn of Vishwamitra (RV III 9.9) reads as follows:

> > trini satä trï sahasräny agnim

> > trimsat ca devä navä casaparyan

> > tri saharäni, trini satä,

> > trimsat ca nava ca devä agnim asaparyan, i.e.

> > 3339 devas (dyus or tithis) worshipped Agni (Krittika = Alcyone 2) by

perambulation in the sky.

> > Â

> > Vishwamitra’s astronomy thus contains the mystic number 3339 which

can be factorised as follows:

> > 3339 = 371 ´ 9= 53 ´ 7 ´ 9

> > Â

> > This is purely an astronomical hymn which refers to the worship of Agni, the

lord of the star Krittika, by perambulation in the sky.

> > Â

> > The hymn yields the following concepts when the full moons in Krittika

(Alcyone 2) are observed and studied continuously for 30 years:

> > Â

> > 2. The length of the year

> > Â

> > A solar year is made up of 371 lunar tithis to a first approximation; a

nine-year period is made up of 3339 tithis.

> > Â

> > In three years, there is one intercalary month. Vishwamitra discovered that

in 30 years, one extra intercalary month (in addition to the usual 10) is

needed.

> > Â

> > Hence 30 solar years

> > = 30 synodic years + 11 synodic months

> > = 30 X 360 tithis + 11 X 30 tithis

> > = 30 X 371 tithis

> > Â

> > Thus one solar year = 371 tithis

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â = 371 X

29.531/30 = 365.20 days

> > Â

> > The modern values are:

> > Mean length of a tropical year = 365.242190 days

> > Mean length of a sidereal year = 365.256363 days

> > Â

> > Vishwamitra’s calculations are truly a wonderful achievement in so

remote a period! (We should also remember that the duration of the rotation of

the earth varies in different Eras and is not constant.)

> > Â

> > Since ancient times, man has observed that day comes after night and night

after day. Similarly, he has observed the phases of the Moon and the yearly

cycle of seasons. Vishwamitra’s mystic number 3339 correlates beautifully

all the three elements of time, i.e. tithi, day and year.

> > Â Â Â Â

> > 3. Eclipses †" Cycle of Saros

> > Â

> > The plane of the Moon’s orbit has an inclination of 5.15 degree to

that of the Earth’s orbit. The two opposite points of intersection of

these orbits are called Rahu and Ketu. These nodes regress, and in 6793.470 days

(18.60 years) make a complete circle of the zodiac. When a conjunction or

opposition of the Sun and the Moon occurs near either node, a solar or lunar

eclipse occurs. Man has always been very curious about the occurrence of the

eclipses in all Eras.   Â

> > Â

> > It is believed that the Chaldean astronomers discovered that eclipses recur

in a cycle of 18 tropical years, 11 days and 8 hours, a period within which four

leap years are contained. If there are five leap years, then it is one day

shorter; and if there are three, then it is one day longer. The Indian rishis

discovered that the corresponding cycle contained 223 synodic lunar months. This

cycle is more appropriate and meaningful because the eclipses can take place

only at the full or new moons. The Indian law is, therefore, integrally

rigorous.

> > Â

> > Now, 3339 tithis = 111 synodic months plus 9 tithis.

> > Â

> > If the above period is multiplied by two, the figure will come to 222

synodic months plus 18 tithis. This is only 12 tithis shorter than the Saros

cycle of 223 synodic months. Thus, astronomers could predict the eclipse at the

next full or new moon after the period arrived at by using the mystic number

3339. This establishes that the Vishwamitra School knew about the cycle of

eclipses.

> > Â

> > 4. Vishwamitra Yuga (Exeligmos)

> > Â

> > The period of 3339 synodic years equals 3240 solar years (3339 ´ 360

¸371). Actually one third the period i.e. 1080 solar years, was extensively

used and applied in determining Eras in India up to the 5th century AD. (The

period of 1080 solar years will include all intercalary tithis in full number to

first approximation. 1080 solar years will contain 1113 synodic years.)

> > Â

> > From this initial period of 1080 years they evolved the concept of a

Chaturyuga of 4320 years (1080 ´ 4). From this, Aryabhatta derived the

concept of 4 320 000 years as comprising a Cosmic Yuga for higher accuracy.

(This is called one day of the creator, Brahma.) And Brahmagupta conceived ofÂ

4 320 000 000 years for still higher accuracy.

> > Â

> > Some authorities believe that the value of the Cosmic Yuga mentioned

above is the LCM of the sidereal periods of all the seven planets. It is not

possible to verify such a claim mathematically based on the astronomical data

available at present.

> > Â

> > Vishwamitra’s mystic number 3339 gives a better and a more scientific

explanation for the adoption, by different authorities, of the time durations of

the Yugas.

> > Â

> > I may mention that some astrologers recommend the use of the Savan year of

360 days for the calculation of dasas and for other predictive purposes. This

is not correct. The solar year must be used for dasa calculations as is clear

from the discussions above.

> > Â

> > 5. Vernal Equinox - Vishwamitra, the architect of a new creation

> > Â

> > It is very obvious that even before 6000 BC, the Vedic rishis made accurate

observations of the sky. The phenomena observed by them are recorded in Hindu

scriptures. They had, therefore, evolved a method to observe the precession of

the equinoxes. This is the most (and may well be the only) reliable method to

fix the different Eras.

> > Â

> >

> > Â G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > INDIA

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Astro <astro.vedas@ >

> > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

> > Sun, 1 November, 2009 9:15:32 AM

> > Re: [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Dhruva the Ancient Vedic Pole

Star

> >

> > Â

> >

> > Chaldean kings were zoroastrians, zoroastrians were brothers of vedic ppl,so

chaldeans had vedic astronomy,u always say chaldeans are creator of numerology

and astrology,ppl foqgot to map avesta in history,poor abuser pingree,now mystry

is solved

> >

> > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, " Astro "

<astro.vedas@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > I HAVE ASKED ABT NEO BABYLONIAN,CHALDEAN

> > >

> > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, " Astro "

<astro.vedas@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Kaulji,plz give look to references,and also let us know how jyotish is

of greeks as u say,and let us know fm where hipparchus learnt chord table,plz

let me know wen babylonian kingdom came in existance

> > > >

> > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com,

Astro.Vedas@ @ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > < 1) What were the 34 horses in the context of Asvamedha which was one

of the most important ritual during Vedic times and mentioned in

> > > > > Rig-Veda. >

> > > > >

> > > > > References :-

> > > > >

> > > > > Rg Veda I.163.2

> > > > > Rg Veda I.162.18

> > > > > Rg Veda I.162.19

> > > > > Yajur Veda, Taittirya Samhita VII.5.25

> > > > > Brhadaranyaka Upanisad I.1

> > > > >

> > > > > < 2) Who were the 33 wives of Moon. (Mentioned in Rig Veda) >

> > > > >

> > > > > Reference :-

> > > > >

> > > > > Rg Veda X.85

> > > > > Atharva Veda XIV.1

> > > > >

> > > > > < 3) Who were the 33 daughters of Daksha which were given in mariage

to

> > > > > Moon. (Mentioned in YajurVeda, Taittriya Sanhita) >

> > > > >

> > > > > Reference :-

> > > > >

> > > > > Yajur Veda, Taittirya Samhita II.3.5.1

> > > > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > India has a new look. Take a sneak peek.

> >

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Dear Malla ji,I have already replied to your mail earlier.Some persons say that some evidence is therein Puranas that Makar Sankranti was celebrated on the ingress of Sun in Tropical Capricorn.There are Four Vedas , Six Shastras , lot of Aranyak grantha and 42 puranas (including major and minor )'andthen vast litrature on astronomy and astrology (Samhita,Jatak, and Mahurta).Mahurta is the back bone of all astrologicalpractices in Indian Sub-continent, Mahurta depend on five limbsof Panchang"1. Day 2 Lunal Tithi 3 Nakshatra (27 -very well defined in all upnishads , and

samhitas ) 4 Karan - half part of the tithi5 Yoga - formed by the addition of sidreal longitudes of Sun and MoonSidreal Makar sankranti is celebrated based on clear cut injuctions given in Mahurta granths.If some person wish to celebrate Makar Sankranti on ingress of Sun in Tropical Capricorn , who is objecting it.But the poeple of India are celebrating MAKAR SANKRANTI on the ingressof Sun in Sidreal CAPRICORN ,is in line of mahurta shastra.Who are these person's like Mr. kaul to object it.Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIAhari <harimallaIndian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest Sent: Mon, 2 November, 2009 7:30:02 AMRe: [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Dhruva the Ancient Vedic Pole Star

 

 

Dear shri Goelji,

naamskar!

<<It is very obvious that even before 6000 BC, the Vedic rishis made accurate

observations of the sky. The phenomena observed by them are recorded in Hindu

scriptures. They had, therefore, evolved a method to observe the precession of

the equinoxes. This is the most (and may well be the only) reliable method to

fix the different Eras.>>

 

Surely I agree with your above statement on precession.Your conclusion about the origin of the chaturyuga is also laudable.It is the inter relationship of the sun, moon and the stars.The kalpa in my view is the complete cycle of precession or the great year, 25,800 years. When this cycle of 36o degrees is divided by 27 degrees,the sidereal lunar months converted to solar movement, we get the 14 manawantars. If the shift is bassed on the 12 sankrantis instead of the 14 sidereal lunar months, we have only 12 manawantars. Each cosmic month or great month of 2150 years is thus one sankrantic manawantar, when we have to shift the nirayan or sidereal sankranti,if the monthly shift is made on the basis of 12 sankrantis.On this concept is based my proposal of calendar reform.

Please give your opinion on this mattter.

Also kindly comment on my shift of nirayan uttaryan sankrnatis based on the concept of uttarayan in Vedanga jyotish and the shift made by Barhmihir from the sun in Dhanistha to makar sankranti as mentioned in his Brihad samhita.thanks.

Regards,

Hari Malla

 

Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Astro.Vedas@ @ wrote:

>

> Shri Goelji,

>

> I give very much importance to SAROS CYCLE in astrological predictions, more than Sun and Moon because Saros cycle creates two points(Ra and Ke,, not exactly those points but those points are just 1-2 degrees apart of those physical point, Ra and Ke) with the help of EARTH, SUN and MOON....

>

> Goelji, power is going to be shifted to CHINA from USA and CHINA will become super power of Millatry deptt but with in some centuries it will get transfered to Delhi and then to Middle east...

>

> Instead of precession, Saros is more important for astrology and those are main knot instead of Su and Mo in my view....

>

> Astro.Vedas

>

>

> Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Astro.Vedas@ @ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Goelji,

> > Â

> > Three Sun and Lunar cycles which are needed for Saros Cycle (Cycles by which one can predict about Solar and Lunar eclipse) are mentioned in VEDAS.

> > Â

> > And see the claim of ppl that Saros cycle was discovered by Hipparchus, Chooor(Thieves) Kahinkay....

> > Â

> > Hipparchus is of 2'nd Cent BCE era,,,and VEDAS can not be atleast of first millenia BCE according to Max- Mulerian thinking ppl, Michael Witzel (Rattled Rat).But in my view it(Vedas) predate or overlap Harappa civilization.

> > Â

> > Astro.Vedas

> >

> > --- On Sun, 11/1/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ > wrote:

> >

> >

> > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ >

> > Re: [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Dhruva the Ancient Vedic Pole Star

> > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

> > Sunday, November 1, 2009, 12:47 PM

> >

> >

> > Â

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear FRIENDS,

> > The Hymens in Taittarya Samhita indicates some

> > astronomical phenomenon.

> > I will search the answer of query and try to clarify.

> > As an example I am reproducing below a similar Hymen and its

> > astronomical significance:

> >

> > Â

> > The Astronomical hymn of Vishwamitra (RV III 9.9) reads as follows:

> > trini satä trï sahasräny agnim

> > trimsat ca devä navä casaparyan

> > tri saharäni, trini satä,

> > trimsat ca nava ca devä agnim asaparyan, i.e.

> > 3339 devas (dyus or tithis) worshipped Agni (Krittika = Alcyone 2) by perambulation in the sky.

> > Â

> > Vishwamitra’s astronomy thus contains the mystic number 3339 which can be factorised as follows:

> > 3339 = 371 ´ 9= 53 ´ 7 ´ 9

> > Â

> > This is purely an astronomical hymn which refers to the worship of Agni, the lord of the star Krittika, by perambulation in the sky.

> > Â

> > The hymn yields the following concepts when the full moons in Krittika (Alcyone 2) are observed and studied continuously for 30 years:

> > Â

> > 2. The length of the year

> > Â

> > A solar year is made up of 371 lunar tithis to a first approximation; a nine-year period is made up of 3339 tithis.

> > Â

> > In three years, there is one intercalary month. Vishwamitra discovered that in 30 years, one extra intercalary month (in addition to the usual 10) is needed.

> > Â

> > Hence 30 solar years

> > = 30 synodic years + 11 synodic months

> > = 30 X 360 tithis + 11 X 30 tithis

> > = 30 X 371 tithis

> > Â

> > Thus one solar year = 371 tithis

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â = 371 X 29.531/30 = 365.20 days

> > Â

> > The modern values are:

> > Mean length of a tropical year = 365.242190 days

> > Mean length of a sidereal year = 365.256363 days

> > Â

> > Vishwamitra’s calculations are truly a wonderful achievement in so remote a period! (We should also remember that the duration of the rotation of the earth varies in different Eras and is not constant.)

> > Â

> > Since ancient times, man has observed that day comes after night and night after day. Similarly, he has observed the phases of the Moon and the yearly cycle of seasons. Vishwamitra’s mystic number 3339 correlates beautifully all the three elements of time, i.e. tithi, day and year.

> > Â Â Â Â

> > 3. Eclipses â€" Cycle of Saros

> > Â

> > The plane of the Moon’s orbit has an inclination of 5.15 degree to that of the Earth’s orbit. The two opposite points of intersection of these orbits are called Rahu and Ketu. These nodes regress, and in 6793.470 days (18.60 years) make a complete circle of the zodiac. When a conjunction or opposition of the Sun and the Moon occurs near either node, a solar or lunar eclipse occurs. Man has always been very curious about the occurrence of the eclipses in all Eras.   Â

> > Â

> > It is believed that the Chaldean astronomers discovered that eclipses recur in a cycle of 18 tropical years, 11 days and 8 hours, a period within which four leap years are contained. If there are five leap years, then it is one day shorter; and if there are three, then it is one day longer. The Indian rishis discovered that the corresponding cycle contained 223 synodic lunar months. This cycle is more appropriate and meaningful because the eclipses can take place only at the full or new moons. The Indian law is, therefore, integrally rigorous.

> > Â

> > Now, 3339 tithis = 111 synodic months plus 9 tithis.

> > Â

> > If the above period is multiplied by two, the figure will come to 222 synodic months plus 18 tithis. This is only 12 tithis shorter than the Saros cycle of 223 synodic months. Thus, astronomers could predict the eclipse at the next full or new moon after the period arrived at by using the mystic number 3339. This establishes that the Vishwamitra School knew about the cycle of eclipses.

> > Â

> > 4. Vishwamitra Yuga (Exeligmos)

> > Â

> > The period of 3339 synodic years equals 3240 solar years (3339 ´ 360 ¸371). Actually one third the period i.e. 1080 solar years, was extensively used and applied in determining Eras in India up to the 5th century AD. (The period of 1080 solar years will include all intercalary tithis in full number to first approximation. 1080 solar years will contain 1113 synodic years.)

> > Â

> > From this initial period of 1080 years they evolved the concept of a Chaturyuga of 4320 years (1080 ´ 4). From this, Aryabhatta derived the concept of 4 320 000 years as comprising a Cosmic Yuga for higher accuracy. (This is called one day of the creator, Brahma.) And Brahmagupta conceived of 4 320 000 000 years for still higher accuracy.

> > Â

> > Some authorities believe that the value of the Cosmic Yuga mentioned above is the LCM of the sidereal periods of all the seven planets. It is not possible to verify such a claim mathematically based on the astronomical data available at present.

> > Â

> > Vishwamitra’s mystic number 3339 gives a better and a more scientific explanation for the adoption, by different authorities, of the time durations of the Yugas.

> > Â

> > I may mention that some astrologers recommend the use of the Savan year of 360 days for the calculation of dasas and for other predictive purposes. This is not correct. The solar year must be used for dasa calculations as is clear from the discussions above.

> > Â

> > 5. Vernal Equinox - Vishwamitra, the architect of a new creation

> > Â

> > It is very obvious that even before 6000 BC, the Vedic rishis made accurate observations of the sky. The phenomena observed by them are recorded in Hindu scriptures. They had, therefore, evolved a method to observe the precession of the equinoxes. This is the most (and may well be the only) reliable method to fix the different Eras.

> > Â

> >

> > Â G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > INDIA

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Astro <astro.vedas@ >

> > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

> > Sun, 1 November, 2009 9:15:32 AM

> > Re: [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Dhruva the Ancient Vedic Pole Star

> >

> > Â

> >

> > Chaldean kings were zoroastrians, zoroastrians were brothers of vedic ppl,so chaldeans had vedic astronomy,u always say chaldeans are creator of numerology and astrology,ppl foqgot to map avesta in history,poor abuser pingree,now mystry is solved

> >

> > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, "Astro" <astro.vedas@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > I HAVE ASKED ABT NEO BABYLONIAN,CHALDEAN

> > >

> > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, "Astro" <astro.vedas@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Kaulji,plz give look to references,and also let us know how jyotish is of greeks as u say,and let us know fm where hipparchus learnt chord table,plz let me know wen babylonian kingdom came in existance

> > > >

> > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Astro.Vedas@ @ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > < 1) What were the 34 horses in the context of Asvamedha which was one of the most important ritual during Vedic times and mentioned in

> > > > > Rig-Veda. >

> > > > >

> > > > > References :-

> > > > >

> > > > > Rg Veda I.163.2

> > > > > Rg Veda I.162.18

> > > > > Rg Veda I.162.19

> > > > > Yajur Veda, Taittirya Samhita VII.5.25

> > > > > Brhadaranyaka Upanisad I.1

> > > > >

> > > > > < 2) Who were the 33 wives of Moon. (Mentioned in Rig Veda) >

> > > > >

> > > > > Reference :-

> > > > >

> > > > > Rg Veda X.85

> > > > > Atharva Veda XIV.1

> > > > >

> > > > > < 3) Who were the 33 daughters of Daksha which were given in mariage to

> > > > > Moon. (Mentioned in YajurVeda, Taittriya Sanhita) >

> > > > >

> > > > > Reference :-

> > > > >

> > > > > Yajur Veda, Taittirya Samhita II.3.5.1

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> > India has a new look. Take a sneak peek.

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Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , " Krishen "

<jyotirved wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Astroveda,

 

Jai ShriRam!

 

<Kaulji,plz give look to references,and also let us know how jyotish is

of greeks as u say,and let us know fm where hipparchus learnt chord

table,plz let me know wen babylonian kingdom came in existance >

 

Let me make it very clear here that the word jyotish is being used

presently in the sense of phalita-jyotish. That was never the intention

of Acharya Lagadha or other rishis, nor of the sidhantakaras including

Bhaskara-II.

 

Rashi based phalita jyotisha started in India from Yavnajatakam of

Sphujidwaja. After that there was Minaraja's Vridha Yavanajatakam. The

works of Varahamihria came much later. As such, predictive astrology is

of Greek origin in India. This will be clear to you if you do a

comparative study of Yavana Jatakam, available in scribd and astrojyoti

etc. sites on the web, with Brihat Jatakam of Varahamihira. The latter

has almost copied all the details in to-to from Sphujidwaja and

Minaraja. Varahimihra has expressed his indebtendess to yavanas in no

uncertain terms and at several places he has said, " Yavanah oochuh " . He

has also made it very clear in his Brihat Samhita that it was only

because of their command over phalita jyotisha that though the Greeks

(whom he called yavanas) were actually mlechhas but even then they were

worshipped like rishis (in India).

 

All the phalita-jyotisha works right from the so called Brihat Parashara

Hora shastram of the so called Parashara Rishi and Brihat Jtakam etc.

refer to Kemdruma etc. yogas; panaphara, apoklima, kendra etc. bhavas.

These are all signs of Greek origin.

 

Regarding Hipparchus' knowledge of chord table, I have not concentrated

on that aspect yet. What is known as on date is that there was a star

catalogue of Hipparchus, which is available on the net. The longitudes

of stars that Hipparchus obtained on that date were different from the

ones that had been given in the earlier works prior to Hipparchus. That

made him discover the theory of Precession of Equinoxes. The longitudes

of Junction Stars in the Surya Sidhanta could very much be based on

that work of Hipparchus.

 

Regarding thrity-four horses of Ashvamedha-yajnya etc., I will have to

check the references and see as to in what context and sense that had

been indicated. But, regarding the thrity-three or thirty-four wives of

the Moon, it can never mean that apart from twenty-eight nakshatras,

five planets were meant by the additional five wives, especially since

it has been said that all the thirty-three wives of the moon were

daughters of Dakshya Prajapati. And planets like Mangal, Budha, Shukra

and especially Brihaspati and Shani cannot be said to be daughters of

Dakshya Prajapati.

 

< Certainly Rashi are mentioned in VEDAS or Brahmnas as there origin is

constellation and constellation took birth near around in 4'th circa

BC.So how could be mentioned in Vedas, Brahmnas, Samhitas.>

 

Constellations were imaginary unequal animal division of a non-existent

circle known as zodiac which extended about 9 degrees above and below

yet another " apparent " circle known as ecliptic in Greco-Chaldean

astrology/astronomy in the past! Astrologial rashis like mesha, Vrisha

etc. were/are a distortion of those very unequal imaginary animals by

being " cut to size " and made equal to one another. As such, it is

impossible that there could be any references to those imaginary equal

animals in the Vedas. If you have found those imaginary animals being

mentioned int he Vedas, Brahmanas and Samhitas, as claimed by you, pl.

do give proper references.

< I also say that our months were seasonal and 12 in counts(and this

concept of Vedic months went to whole world and they made calendar of 12

months otherwise before it, Romans had calendar of 10 months,

Babylonaians and Egyptians of 36 months), our vedic calendar got

derailed when Rashis hijacked Indian astronomical facts by Greeks who

remained stayed over here and converted to Hindus because Persians were

very violent and aggressive towards them.>

 

Since the twelve Vedic months were seasonal, they could thus never be

linked to Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis, obviously! Seasonal months are

real phenomena of time, whereas rashis are just imaginary divisions. No

seasonal month is equal to another, but rashis are of thirty degrees

each! Besides, it has been clarifed by eminent scholars already that

Rashis are of Greek origin. All the commentators on theVedanga

Jyotisha clarify in one voice that the Rashi mantra in the Yajusha

Jyotisham is spurious! As such, I fail to understand as to what you

mean by " our vedic calendar got derailed when Rashis hijacked Indian

astronomical facts by Greeks " . However, it is a fact that the Vedic

calendar lost all its beauty and credibility because the Vedic months

Madhu, Madhava etc. got clubbed with Mina, Mesha etc. rashis, so called

sayana to start with till about seventeenth century AD and then to a so

called nirayana mess with hundreds of ayanamshas. It is the sacred duty

of every Hindu to delink the Vedic calendar from the curses like Mesha,

Vrisha etc. rashis and put it back on their original track of Madhu,

Madhava etc. months.

 

Jai Shri Ram

 

A K Kaul

 

 

Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , " Astro "

astro.vedas@ wrote:

>

> Kaulji,plz give look to references,and also let us know how jyotish is

of greeks as u say,and let us know fm where hipparchus learnt chord

table,plz let me know wen babylonian kingdom came in existance

>

> Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest ,

Astro.Vedas@@ wrote:

> >

> > < 1) What were the 34 horses in the context of Asvamedha which was

one of the most important ritual during Vedic times and mentioned in

> > Rig-Veda. >

> >

> > References :-

> >

> > Rg Veda I.163.2

> > Rg Veda I.162.18

> > Rg Veda I.162.19

> > Yajur Veda, Taittirya Samhita VII.5.25

> > Brhadaranyaka Upanisad I.1

> >

> > < 2) Who were the 33 wives of Moon. (Mentioned in Rig Veda) >

> >

> > Reference :-

> >

> > Rg Veda X.85

> > Atharva Veda XIV.1

> >

> > < 3) Who were the 33 daughters of Daksha which were given in mariage

to

> > Moon. (Mentioned in YajurVeda, Taittriya Sanhita) >

> >

> > Reference :-

> >

> > Yajur Veda, Taittirya Samhita II.3.5.1

> >

> > < 4) What are the 34 lights mentioned in Rig Veda. >

> >

> > Rg Veda VII.86.1

> > Atharva Veda X.88.13

> >

> > Astro.Vedas

> >

> >

> > Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , AKKaul@@

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Shri Jagadamba Khokra ji,

> > >

> > > Jai Shri Ram!

> > >

> > > Pl give the exact references of the Rik as well as Yajur Veda to

enable

> > > me to answer your questions.

> > >

> > > Jai Shri Ram.

> > >

> > > A K Kaul

> > >

> > > Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest ,

> > > Astro.Vedas@@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Kaulji,

> > > >

> > > > I have some questions which lead to only one answer, could you

please

> > > clarify it :-

> > > >

> > > > 1) What were the 34 horses in the context of Asvamedha which was

one

> > > of the most important ritual during Vedic times and mentioned in

> > > Rig-Veda.

> > > >

> > > > 2) Who were the 33 wives of Moon. (Mentioned in Rig Veda)

> > > >

> > > > 3) Who were the 33 daughters of Daksha which were given in

mariage to

> > > Moon. (Mentioned in YajurVeda, Taittriya Sanhita)

> > > >

> > > > 4) What are the 34 lights mentioned in Rig Veda.

> > > >

> > > > Do the above queries dont lead us to say that we were aware of 5

> > > planets, yes 2 shadowy planets dont come up in it as those were

not

> > > visible in sky,But yes those,planets were not mentioned by name in

> > > VEDAS, but yes in MBH those are mentioned.

> > > >

> > > > Certainly Rashi are mentioned in VEDAS or Brahmnas as there

origin is

> > > constellation and constellation took birth near around in 4'th

circa

> > > BC.So how could be mentioned in Vedas, Brahmnas, Samhitas.

> > > >

> > > > I also say that our months were seasonal and 12 in counts(and

this

> > > concept of Vedic months went to whole world and they made calendar

of 12

> > > months otherwise before it, Romans had calendar of 10 months,

> > > Babylonaians and Egyptians of 36 months), our vedic calendar got

> > > derailed when Rashis hijacked Indian astronomical facts by Greeks

who

> > > remained stayed over here and converted to Hindus because Persians

were

> > > very violent and aggressive towards them.

> > > >

> > > > Astro.Vedas

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On Mon, 10/5/09, AKKaul@ AKKaul@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > AKKaul@ AKKaul@

> > > > [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Dhruva the Ancient Vedic

Pole

> > > Star

> > > > indian_astrology_group_daily_digest

> > > > Monday, October 5, 2009, 12:36 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > IndiaArchaeology, " aareni " aareni@

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Jacobi a German indologist in 1894, argued that the Vedic people

knew

> > > alpha-Draconis as their Pole Star.This claim was opposed by

Whitney,

> > > Keith and others who were against arguments, however logical they

might

> > > have been, that would push the Rigveda to a date more ancient than

1500

> > > BCE. It turns out Jacobi was right, even though his arguments were

weak.

> > > His opponents, claiming to know the whole of the Vedic corpus,

> > > suppressed information that would have helped Jacobi. We pursue

this

> > > topic from a totally different perspective.

> > > > ---

> > > > Complete paper available for reading at

> > > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/20298010 /Dhruva-the-

Ancient-VedicHin

> > > du-Pole-Star-

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > RN Iyengar

> > > >

> > > > --- End forwarded message ---

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

> --- End forwarded message ---

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