Guest guest Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Dear Friends, I believe we are going nowhere with the arguments and counter-arguments on the calendar reform. Primarily because we are seeing posts are not moving in an orderly fashion towards or against a specific hypothesis. I think this discussion is not only interesting but also of great importance to all of us. Therefore, I am will be happy to 'moderate' a discussion on the subject through this forum. The steps required are as under: a) We need to state a hypothesis in simple plain language without any obfuscation. Example: The four Vedas mention the Rashis (irrespective of whether they are sayana or nirayana). b) We need to two or more persons to join the discussion by putting forward their arguments (for or against) along with relevant supportings. c) I will ensure that the arguments are going in the right order and that there are no personal abuses or insults embedded in highly scholarly responses! d) All of you will be allowed to comment on the ongoing discussion, but only the persons who have agreed to join the discussion will be moderated. e) At some point I will summarise the discussions and take it forward or end the same with your consent. Let me know if this works for you. I am keen to get started. warm regards, raj rao Moderator - JyotisGroup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 raj what is going on. can't you moderate this group? ___________________________ Sent from my Iphone Raja Gursahani cell: 314.632.6105 On Nov 14, 2009, at 9:56 PM, " jyotishi " <raj wrote: > Dear Friends, > I believe we are going nowhere with the arguments and counter- > arguments on the calendar reform. Primarily because we are seeing > posts are not moving in an orderly fashion towards or against a > specific hypothesis. > > I think this discussion is not only interesting but also of great > importance to all of us. > > Therefore, I am will be happy to 'moderate' a discussion on the > subject through this forum. > > The steps required are as under: > > a) We need to state a hypothesis in simple plain language without > any obfuscation. Example: The four Vedas mention the Rashis > (irrespective of whether they are sayana or nirayana). > > b) We need to two or more persons to join the discussion by putting > forward their arguments (for or against) along with relevant > supportings. > > c) I will ensure that the arguments are going in the right order and > that there are no personal abuses or insults embedded in highly > scholarly responses! > > d) All of you will be allowed to comment on the ongoing discussion, > but only the persons who have agreed to join the discussion will be > moderated. > > e) At some point I will summarise the discussions and take it > forward or end the same with your consent. > > Let me know if this works for you. I am keen to get started. > > warm regards, > raj rao > Moderator - JyotisGroup > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Dear Shri RAjji, Namaskar! Thank you for the offer to moderate the calendar reform issue.I was in great need of such an offer. Recently I had some discussions with shri Kaulji. He tried to back out when his patience for the truth exhausted.Please evalutate the situation.I hereunder reproduce part of the statement I had made. In the vedanga jyotish it is said that 'when the sun and the moon are togetther in dhanistha, the five year yuga , the month of maagha, tapa sukla pakshya and uttarayan start together.' I had made the following statement to shri Kaulji, 'When the sun is in dhanistha ..uttaryan starts' would mean for me that even if the two did not occur at the same time, but they are said to occur at the same time for practical convenience for the purpose of celebrations and easy cognition. From the record mentioned by Barahmihir and also counting of padas, it does seem to have served that purpose of conveneience for nearly 1700 years, till the actual uttarayn reached makar sankranti, that is, till the actual uttarayan moved over seven padas of nakshyatra, by the precession of earth axis' So as to know what type of calendar reform they did in the past by our forefathers, we were discussiing the above matter. If you do not understand the above expressions please do ask so I can clarify. Thank you, Regards, Hari Malla , " jyotishi " <raj wrote: > > Dear Friends, > I believe we are going nowhere with the arguments and counter-arguments on the calendar reform. Primarily because we are seeing posts are not moving in an orderly fashion towards or against a specific hypothesis. > > I think this discussion is not only interesting but also of great importance to all of us. > > Therefore, I am will be happy to 'moderate' a discussion on the subject through this forum. > > The steps required are as under: > > a) We need to state a hypothesis in simple plain language without any obfuscation. Example: The four Vedas mention the Rashis (irrespective of whether they are sayana or nirayana). > > b) We need to two or more persons to join the discussion by putting forward their arguments (for or against) along with relevant supportings. > > c) I will ensure that the arguments are going in the right order and that there are no personal abuses or insults embedded in highly scholarly responses! > > d) All of you will be allowed to comment on the ongoing discussion, but only the persons who have agreed to join the discussion will be moderated. > > e) At some point I will summarise the discussions and take it forward or end the same with your consent. > > Let me know if this works for you. I am keen to get started. > > warm regards, > raj rao > Moderator - JyotisGroup > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Dear Rajji, You might have noticed that some persons have more interest in discrediting Varahamihira, in reducing the antiquity of Indian astrology to prove that the Indians learnt Jyotish from the Greeks. and to prove that it is not right to follow the sidereal calendar, without assigning any valid reasons and proofs. In whatever way you want to promote the calendar reform nobody including me should have any problem as long as the Sidereal calendar is not condemned. Sidereal calendar is not for astrology alone. It helps us to fix the festivals where the original data involves the Nakshatras and additionally it has chronological utility. I am open to amalgamating the Tropical calendar with the Sidereal calendar so that we have both the calendars simultaneously. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Sat, 11/14/09, jyotishi <raj wrote: jyotishi <raj Calendar Reform Saturday, November 14, 2009, 7:56 PM  Dear Friends, I believe we are going nowhere with the arguments and counter-arguments on the calendar reform. Primarily because we are seeing posts are not moving in an orderly fashion towards or against a specific hypothesis. I think this discussion is not only interesting but also of great importance to all of us. Therefore, I am will be happy to 'moderate' a discussion on the subject through this forum. The steps required are as under: a) We need to state a hypothesis in simple plain language without any obfuscation. Example: The four Vedas mention the Rashis (irrespective of whether they are sayana or nirayana). b) We need to two or more persons to join the discussion by putting forward their arguments (for or against) along with relevant supportings. c) I will ensure that the arguments are going in the right order and that there are no personal abuses or insults embedded in highly scholarly responses! d) All of you will be allowed to comment on the ongoing discussion, but only the persons who have agreed to join the discussion will be moderated. e) At some point I will summarise the discussions and take it forward or end the same with your consent. Let me know if this works for you. I am keen to get started. warm regards, raj rao Moderator - JyotisGroup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 --- On Sun, 11/15/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya Re: Calendar Reform Sunday, November 15, 2009, 4:06 AM Dear Rajji, You might have noticed that some persons have more interest in discrediting Varahamihira, in reducing the antiquity of Indian astrology to prove that the Indians learnt Jyotish from the Greeks. and to prove that it is not right to follow the sidereal calendar, without assigning any valid reasons and proofs. In whatever way you want to promote the calendar reform nobody including me should have any problem as long as the Sidereal calendar is not condemned. Sidereal calendar is not for astrology alone. It helps us to fix the festivals where the original data involves the Nakshatras and additionally it has chronological utility. I am open to amalgamating the Tropical calendar with the Sidereal calendar so that we have both the calendars simultaneously. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Sat, 11/14/09, jyotishi <raj wrote: jyotishi <raj Calendar Reform Saturday, November 14, 2009, 7:56 PM  Dear Friends, I believe we are going nowhere with the arguments and counter-arguments on the calendar reform. Primarily because we are seeing posts are not moving in an orderly fashion towards or against a specific hypothesis. I think this discussion is not only interesting but also of great importance to all of us. Therefore, I am will be happy to 'moderate' a discussion on the subject through this forum. The steps required are as under: a) We need to state a hypothesis in simple plain language without any obfuscation. Example: The four Vedas mention the Rashis (irrespective of whether they are sayana or nirayana). b) We need to two or more persons to join the discussion by putting forward their arguments (for or against) along with relevant supportings. c) I will ensure that the arguments are going in the right order and that there are no personal abuses or insults embedded in highly scholarly responses! d) All of you will be allowed to comment on the ongoing discussion, but only the persons who have agreed to join the discussion will be moderated. e) At some point I will summarise the discussions and take it forward or end the same with your consent. Let me know if this works for you. I am keen to get started. warm regards, raj rao Moderator - JyotisGroup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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