Fwd: Aadesha Patra of Jagadguru Shanakracharya

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HinduCalendar , " hari " <harimalla wrote:

 

Dear shri Kaulji,

I am now somewhat pleased that at least you have started questioning

carefully.It will be my pleasure to give you my opinion.

When the sun is in dhanistha, you already know that it is the sidereal position

of the sun. Since according to your dictionary, what pertains to the 'star' is

'sidereal'. Thus sun position in dhanistha, as I understand, is the 'sidereal

position of the sun'.If we use the word 'nirayan' to denote 'sidereal', it is

the nirayan position of the sun. Modern Dharma shastra would use the word

'nirayan uttarayan sankranti' to describe it, as they have been calling the

present makar sankranti (14th January) as 'nirayan uttarayan sankranti.'

They also call the present actual uttarayan on poush 6th or December 21st as

'sayan uttaryan sankranti'. This is the modern way of expressing. The word used

for this type of actual uttarayan in Vedanga jyotish is simply 'uttarayan'.

Please note that I have neither studied, nor had any connection with any

predictive knowledge. Thus the predictive connection of sayan and nirayan for me

does not exist.I only understand sidereal by the word 'nirayan' and tropical by

the word 'sayan'. That is all. I also see the difference between these two as

ayanamsa-just the angular differnece between them. That is all. But yourself

being thorough with prediction and predictive knowledge, always like to connect

ayanamsa to predictive science.For me it is only the above angular difference,

like a student of geometry would understand.If you do not understand what I mean

by angular difference plese refer to the drawing of 'scientific basis of

calendar reform' in Parvasudhar forum.

'When the sun is in dhanistha ..uttaryan starts' would mean for me that even if

the two did not occur at the same time, but they are said to occur at the same

time for practical convenience for the purpose of celebrations and easy

cognition. From the record mentioned by Barahmihir and also counting of padas,

it does seem to have served that purpose of conveneience for nearly 1700 years,

till the actual uttarayn reached makar sankranti, that is, till the actual

uttarayan moved over seven padas of nakshyatra, by the precession of earth

axis.I hope you understand precession in the physical way.The wobbling of the

earth axis around the ecliptic pole. This pole is the line drawn from the center

of the earth at right angles to the plane of the ecliptic veritcally upwards.

This is also shown on the 'scientific basis of calendar reform' drawing.

I hope you are following my interpretations.If you think something different

please let me know.

Regards,

Hari Malla

 

HinduCalendar , " Krishen " <jyotirved@> wrote:

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> Shri Hari Mallaji,

>

> Jai Shri Ram!

>

> < Here you will note the sun being in dhanisntha is nirayan, but

> uttaryan is sayan.>

>

> That is news to me that when the sun is in dhanishtha it is nirayana but

> because it is the day of Uttarayana simultaneously, it is sayana! BTW,

> what is dhaishtha nakshatra itself according to you? sayana or nirayana

> or neither or coordinated, as you would like to call your system? And

> what is uttarayana in itself according to you? Sayana or nirayana or

> neither or coordinated? Then again, what do you mean by the VJ sun

> being nirayana and sayana? Till date I was under the impression that

> any longitude of any planet minus an imaginary figure known as ayanamsha

> is nirayana, and it if is without that tonsure samskar of ayanamsha, it

> is sayana! What was the ayanamsha at the time of the VJ and what

> forumulae has the VJ given to calculate them? If there are no such

> formulae in the VJ then how do you calculate the ayanamsha for that

> period, because we do not have any astronomical works of that on the

> pattern of the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha, which were later

> " impregnated " with " beeja samskaras " of ayanamsha---even if those

> samskaras were just interpolations!

>

> <You do not seem to be analysing this fact carefully.>

>

> You do not seem to be analysing this fact carefully.

>

> Jai Shri Ram!

>

> A K Kaul

>

>

>

> HinduCalendar , " hari " <harimalla@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Kaulji,

> > namaskar!

> > <This aadesha-patra clearly advises that we must celebrate all the

> festivals on the basis of sayana rashis, as per dharmashastras.

> > (Shri Hari Malla, pl. note!)>

> > The dharma shastras want us to celebrate on both the sayan rashis and

> the nirayn rashis.It is generally sayan rashi but exactly nirayan

> rashi.What do you make of this? This is clearly mentioned in many

> places.The best shastra for this is the vedanga jyotish, which

> says,'when the sun and the mooon are together in dhanistha,.. uttarayan

> starts.' Here you will note the sun being in dhanisntha is nirayan, but

> uttaryan is sayan. You do not seem to be analysing this fact

> carefully.You have tendency to jump to conclusion.Sorry to say so.

> > When you are so sincere and devoted,I would like to ask you again to

> kindly be more cautious in observing this fact of coordination of sayan

> and nirayan.I feel one must be more careful than both Shankar

> Balakrishna Dixit and Bala gangadhar Tilak to understand this fact.In

> fact, we must coordinate the concepts of both of these stalwarts of the

> eighteenth century to understand the true vedic system of coordination.

> Can you do so? Please try once again. Thank you.

> > Regards,

> > Hari Malla

> >

> > HinduCalendar , " Krishen " jyotirved@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear friends,

> > >

> > > I have posted a copy of Aadesha Patra of Jagadguru Shankaracharya of

> > > Dwarka, which was uploaded by Shri Narayan Prasad in the files

> > > section.

> > >

> > > This aadesha Patra was copied by him from Marathi edition of Shri S.

> B.

> > > Dikshit's work " jyotisha shastrachai itihas " . It was issued by His

> > > Holiness Jagadguru Shankaracharya of Dwarka more than a hundred

> years

> > > back on a representation made by Shri Lele. This aadesha-patra

> clearly

> > > advises that we must celebrate all the festivals on the basis of

> sayana

> > > rashis, as per dharmashastras.

> > >

> > > (Shri Hari Malla, pl. note!)

> > >

> > > Ironically, however, that very mutt itself is celebrating all the

> > > festivals on the basis of so called nirayana (almighty

> Lahiri!)rashis,

> > > most probably, because that mutt does not have the inclination to

> > > prepare a correct panchanga on its own!

> > >

> > > Shri Darshaney Lokesh can approach that mutt with his correct

> > > Tithi-patrak.

> > >

> > > Jai Shri Ram!

> > >

> > > A K Kaul

> > >

> > > PS I am reqeusting Sanskrit scholars to give a running translation

> of

> > > this aadesha patra in English.

> > >

> > > AKK

> > >

> >

>

 

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