Guest guest Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Namaste friends, Pt Rath wrote: > So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose and has > ... It is another place for seeing God, spirituality Seeing " spirituality " from the 6th house from AmK is a new idea introduced by Pt Rath and one without any demonstrated basis. It even contradicts his previous teachings that the 6th house from AmK shows material sustenance and shows a deity ( " paalana devata " ) that takes care of one's livelihood and sustenance. * * * Pt Rath introduced a new principle based on it: > Try this - If a strong planet is in the 6th house from Amatyakaraka in > dashamsha, then the native will also do some good work in the spiritual > path. This would be a more apt way of sayng things Elvis Presley had Mars in own sign in the 6th house from AmK Jupiter, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a good man and a great entertainer, but he hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . Ronald Reagan had exalted Mercury in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a religious man, but he hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . He was an actor and a successful political leader. Woody Allen has Saturn in an adhimitra rasi in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He is a famous and intelligent showman, but hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . Ramakrishna Dalmiya had exalted Ketu in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a smart and controversial businessman, but he hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . On the other hand, some people who devoted their lives to spiritual path and " did some good work " , such as Swami Vivekananda, Sarada Mata and Paramahamsa Yogananda, had no planets in the 6th house from AmK in D-10. The new principle from Pt Rath neither works nor makes logical sense. Fundamentally, why see " spirituality " from the 6th house from Amk? * * * Pt Rath wrote: > So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose and has > *nothingto do with power and position* I never said the 6th from AmK shows " power and position " . This is a misinterpretation of my words. When I suggested a principle by linking three parameters, this is what I wrote on each of the parameters in the original quoted mail: " We are basically looking for synergy between (a) the professional (D-10) effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star), of the spirit of work in one (AmK), and the blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). " Amatya Karaka (AmK) represents the spirit of work in one. The 6th house (overcoming obstacles) from him shows how one puts in effort to overcome obstacles. I did not say it shows power and posititon. We are looking for synergy between these parameters by way of common influences: (1) The 6th house from AmK in D-10: Effort put in by the spirit of work in one in one's profession (2) The 10th star from AmK in SBC: Mental activity of the spirit of work in one (3) The trines from GL: The power and position one is blessed with at the physical level I found that a lot of successful people have a common influence on these parameters and so shared it. But I never said 6th from AmK shows " power " . * * * Reema wrote: > 2) A more fundamental question is why is Palana Devata seen from the > 6th? It relates to matters of sustenance. Then, why not 2nd from AmK? Good question! I suggest putting aside the notion that the 6th house from AmK governs " sustenance " and " livelihood " , as taught by Pt Rath in the past, and taking a fresh look at the matter. Given that Pt Rath now claims it shows " spirituality " suggests that he too is perhaps taking a fresh look! Then why should others be bogged down by his previous teachings? Parasara talked about seeing deities from the 12th house from AK and the 6th house from AmK. Parasara said well-placed Ketu with benefic influences in the 12th house from AK shows saayujya, moksha etc (different levels of liberation from the limited I-ness that we normally have). In general, he gave the idea that 12th from AK has to do with spiritual evolution and liberation and associated different deities with different planetary influences. But he did not say what to see from the 6th from AmK and it is upto us to understand it! We have some clues. For example, Parasara said AK is like the king if a native's personality is a kingdom. And we know that " amaatya " means minister. We also know that Amatya Karaka was associated with career by many scholars in the past. I will share *my* opinion on what AmK stands for, based on my studies, contemplation and research. * * * AK shows Self or one's sense of I-ness (sense of " this is I " ). If a nativity is compared to a kingdom, then it makes sense to compare AK to the king as Parasara did. The I-ness is the ultimate controller of an individualized consciousness. The 12th house of loss or giving up from AK shows giving up I-ness and being liberated. No wonder Parasara used it in combinations involving saayujya, moksha etc. If one's existence as a being separate from Aatman/Brahman is analogous to a kingdom and the sense of self or I-ness is analogous to the king of that kingdom, then what is analogous to the minister? The sense of purpose or the sense of " this is the work I must accomplish " must be be analogous to the minister counseling the king. One's sense of purpose in life actively counsels one's I-ness to get various things done. Thus, I suggest that AmK shows one's sense of purpose in life or the sense that " this is the work I must accomplish " . As the sense of purpose guides and influences the work that people do, no wonder many scholars associated AmK with profession in the past. * * * When you look at things from the perspective of one's sense of purpose in life, the 2nd house of resources and food is also important as it shows what feeds one's sense of purpose in life. However, the 6th house is the most important as it shows the challenges and how they are overcome, to one's sense of purpose. The 6th house from AmK does not exactly show one's livelihood and material sustenance, but how one overcomes challenges to one's inner sense of purpose in life - what one views as " this is what I need to do " . The deity associated with the 6th from AmK enables one to overcome challenges and fulfil one's sense of purpose in life. The deity associated with the 12th from AK enables one to overcome I-ness and merge with god. * * * I replied to Reema's orginal mail of counter-examples in JyotishWritings/message/16 and explained how I reckon the 6th house from AmK in D-10. Most of the counter-examples were not really counter-examples as AmK was way too advanced in the sign and the 6th house extended way into the next sign compared to what Reema took. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org --- On Thu, 11/12/09, reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh wrote: reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh Fwd: Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra pvr108 Thursday, November 12, 2009, 11:12 AM sohamsa , " reema_sriganesh " <reema_sriganesh wrote: || Hare Rama Krushna || Namaskaar Sanjay Ji, Thank you for raising a pertinent question. I guess I should have asked that, too, before checking the validity of this principle on charts. I would be very interested to hear Narasimha Ji's reasoning as to why he takes 6th from AmK to see power and influence. > Next why the 6th house? It is because of the dictum *amatyadaase chaivaM* which means > we need to look at the 6th house from AmK ...forwhat? This has reference to the previous > sutra of Jaimini which relates to Istadevata. So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality > purpose and has *nothingto do with power and position* Yes, I am aware of the SJC teaching of seeing Palana Devata - more specifically, a Devi form - from the 6th from AmK in Navamsa. I have two questions, here: 1) What does 6th from AmK have to do with spirituality? I mean, for a spiritual person his/her palana is a manifestation of Devata's blessing. I get that. But beyond this, how does Palana Devata lead one to be more spiritual? 2) A more fundamental question is why is Palana Devata seen from the 6th? It relates to matters of sustenance. Then, why not 2nd from AmK? Om Tat Sat Reema. sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote: > > om gurave namah > > Dear Reema > > Before I begin, I want to show my appreciation for your sincere effort. First let us understand the principle concerned - Principle 2 is what is being examined by you, so I will stick to that. > > The statement is - > > Principle 2: PVR > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned from AmK in D-10 and the 10th > > > star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC have an influence of the same planet and that > > > planet is also associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one rises to a position of power and > > > influence in one's work. We are basically looking for synergy between (a) the professional (D-10) > > > effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit of work in one (AmK) and the > > > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). > > POINT 1: In order to understand, we need to address the following - why are we looking at the 6th house from Amatyakaraka? AmK related to profession is something I have been *propagating* and can be stated as another of *Rath's own teachings*. So, this statement means that, to a limited extent my teaching/Puri teaching, is being accepted. Fine > > Next why the 6th house? It is because of the dictum *amatya daase chaivaM* which means we need to look at the 6th house from AmK ...for what? This has reference to the previous sutra of Jaimini which relates to Ista devata. So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose and has *nothing to do with power and position* > > On this ground, I reject the principle as it lacks understanding of the basic rules and the upadesha of Jaimini has been grossly misinterpreted. Even Pasashara does not ask us to see the 6th house from AmK for power, so why should we do it? > > POINT 2: Karma Nakshatra is a well known point and this is nothing new. Whether one is using the 28 star system or the 27 star system, this nakshatra will always play a powerful role in life and will dicate Karma (work). More details can be had from Brihat nakshatra Book. > > POINT 3: Trines to Ghatika Lagna is an attempt to hide the standard - 1,5,7,9 house. In fact real power is in the 5th from ghatika lagna. > > ...we can have so many other things from Vedic Astrology and then try to put them together and create multiple rules. > > ............. MY VIEW............ > > Reema, I never look for rules. There are millions of them in Vedic Astrology.I look for principles underlying the rules andthis is what I teach all the time. If one tries to mug up rules, they will fail whereas the principles will always stand and help as they are based on understanding and not just memory. > > Finally, please DO NOT look at 6th house Amatya Karaka for power. This is preposterous idea. It is another place for seeing God, spirituality and not power. > > > > Try this - If a strong planet is in the 6th house from Amatyakaraka in dashamsha, then the native will also do some good work in the spiritual path. This would be a more apt way of sayng things > > Best Wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 8762 > > Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books: www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of reema_sriganesh > 10 November 2009 20:26 > sohamsa > Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krushna || > > Namaskaar Narasimha Ji, > > I was catching up with the old emails on Sohamsa, and I came across your messages elucidating the following two principles: > > Principle 1 > > > The D-20 is the chart of spiritual progress. The 12th house from AK in it shows the liberation of > > individual soul as one progresses spiritually. Similarly, SBC is the chakra in the nakshatra space and > > abhisheka (28th) nakshatra from AK in it shows liberation of soul in the nakshatra space. Planet > > having an influence on both the factors supports spiritual liberation. The 5th and 9th from lagna > > show poorvapunya and bhagya. If the same planet influences all the three factors, that planet can > > suggest liberation. The reverse counting from Rahu is because Rahu goes in reverse. Even when > > defining argala, Parasara asked to reckon argalas and virodha argalas based on houses from Rahu > > and Ketu in anti-zodiacal order. > > Principle 2 > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned from AmK in D-10 and the 10th > > star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC have an influence of the same planet and that > > planet is also associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one rises to a position of power and > > influence in one's work. We are basically looking for synergy between (a) the professional (D-10) > > effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit of work in one (AmK) and the > > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). > > I studied both these principles in several charts. I do not feel that I can do any justice towards testing the first principle, because, after all, who am I to pass a judgment about someone's spirituality and then check the validity of my presumptuous opinion in their charts?! However, I think I can do justice to testing the second principle that you propose because power and influence, especially power, that an individual wields is a tangible thing, and can be perceived by the outside World. > > You did provide 6 charts to support Principle 2. However, in my study I have come across quite a few charts where this principle does not work. Here are the examples of the charts where the principle does not work. Please note that I used Jagannatha Ayanamsa and mixed 7/8 chara karakas (as per your interpretation of Parasara). > > 1) Al Gore > > DoB: 03/31/1948 > ToB: 12:58 > PoB: 77W02, 38N54 > TZ: 5:00 Hrs. West of GMT > > AmK is Budha. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Shani and Rahu and is given rasi drishti by Shani and Surya. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Purvabhadra (occupied by AmK Budha) is Punarvasu. Punarvasu gets vedha from Budha, Guru, and Chandra. So, a common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in this chart of an American ex-vice president. > > 2) Abdul Kalam > > DoB: 10/15/1931 > ToB: 11:30 > PoB: 79E18, 9N17 > TZ: 5:30 Hrs. East of GMT > > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala and Ketu, and is occupied by Guru. Budha and Chandra give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Visakha (occupied by AmK Mangala) is Satabhishaka. Satabhishaka gets vedha from Shukra. So, a common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in this chart of an Indian ex-president. > > 3) Benazir Bhutto > > DoB: 06/21/1953 > ToB: 20:16:03 > PoB: Karachi, Pakistan > TZ: 5 Hrs. East of GMT > > AmK is Shukra. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and is given rasi drishti by Surya, Shani, and Shukra. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Bharani (occupied by AmK Shukra) is Purvaphalguni, which receives vedha from Ketu. So, a common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in this chart of a Pakistani ex-prime minister. > > 4) Boris Yeltsin > > DoB: 02/01/1931 > ToB: 17:00:00 > PoB: 63E47, 56N47 > TZ: 5 Hrs. East of GMT > > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Shani and occupied by Chandra and Ketu. Shani, Budha, and Mangala give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Purvashadha (occupied by AmK Shani) is Aswini receiving vedha from Chandra. Hence, there is a common planet i.e. Chandra influencing these two hot spots. Let us see if Chandra influences trikona from Ghati Lagna in rasi. Chandra is in Vrishchika and GL is in Tula. Chandra, thus, does not associate in any way to GL or its trikonas. The principle does not work in this chart of a Russian ex-president. > > 5) Donald Rumsfeld > > DoB: 07/09/1932 > ToB: 17:40:00 > PoB: 87W39, 41N51 > TZ: 6 Hrs. West of GMT > > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Guru, and occupied by Shani. Budha gives rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Rohini (occupied by AmK Mangala) is Hasta, which receives vedha from Shukra. So, a common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in this chart of an American ex-secretary of defense. > > 6) Dudley Senanyake > > DoB: 06/19/1911 > ToB: 12:15:51 > PoB: 79E51, 6N56 > TZ: 5:30 Hrs. East of GMT > > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and Guru, Chandra, Shani, Rahu, and Ketu give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Bharani (occupied by AmK Shani) is Purvaphalguni, which receives drishti from Chandra. Hence, there is a common planet i.e. Chandra influencing these two hot spots. Let us see if Chandra influences trikona from Ghati Lagna in rasi. Chandra is in Kumbha and GL is in Kanya. Chandra, thus, does not associate in any way to GL or its trikonas. The principle does not work in this chart of a Sri Lankan ex-prime minister. > > 7) Gerald Ford Jr. > > DoB: 07/14/1913 > ToB: 0:41:00 > PoB: 96W01, 41N17 > TZ: 6 Hrs. West of GMT > > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned, and occupied by Shukra. Shani, Chandra, and Budha give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Krittika (occupied by AmK Mangala) is Uttaraphalguni, which receives vedha from Surya. So, a common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in this chart of an American ex-president. > > 8) Henry Kissinger > > DoB: 05/27/1923 > ToB: 5:30:00 > PoB: Furth, Germany > TZ: 1:00 Hrs. East of GMT > > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and occupied by Guru. Shani, Shukra, and Chandra give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Hasta (occupied by AmK Shani) is Abhijeet, which receives vedha from Surya, Budha, and Rahu. So, a common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in this chart of an American ex-secretary of state. > > Of course, I ran out of time to test this principle on *all* the charts of politicians that I have. Also, I cannot vouch for the accuracy of birth data that I have used. But I can say this - out of the 16 charts I tested, 8 validated the principle, and 8 did not. The ones that did validate the principle are: > > 1) Adolf Hitler > 2) Bill Bradley > 3) Condelizza Rice > 4) Dr. Murali Manohar Joshi > 5) Elizabeth Dole > 6) Franklin Delano Roosevelt > 7) Jayalalitha > 8) Abraham Lincoln > > So the success rate for me was 50%. It also got me thinking that perhaps we should use another varga instead of D-10? Say, D-5? D-5 specifically deals with power and authority as per my understanding. You have put forth two very interesting principles based on your research and blessed intuition. I hope you do write a follow-up to my question. > > Om Tat Sat > Reema. > > sohamsa , Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > Namaste Rajarshi, > > > > (1) Of course not. This is just a conducive factor. It makes sense logically and it seems to work in several charts in which you would expect it to apply. That's all. > > > > I have no view on (2) and (3). Obviously, I do not have all answers. > > > > * * * > > > > > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot. > > > > What I shared is the tip of the iceberg, just like the planetary special lagna concepts that I illustrated using Ve7 as an example sometime back. > > > > There are so many reference points in charts, so many houses and so many nakshatras. If one applies oneself intelligently and tests using many examples, one can arrive at so many formulas using what I gave as a template. > > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned from AmK in D-10 and the 10th star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC have an influence of the same planet and that planet is also associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one rises to a position of power and influence in one's work. We are basically looking for synergy between (a) the professional (D-10) effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit of work in one (AmK) and the blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). > > > > Nehru's AmK is Rahu. From Ardra containing Rahu, the 10th star counted anti-zodiacally is Satabhishak. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and Venus. In D-10, the 6th house from Li containing Rahu counted anti-zodiacally is Ta. Venus owns it. In rasi chart, Venus is the lord of GL and joins the lord of the 5th house from GL. > > > > Indira Gandhi's AmK is Venus. From Poorvashadha containing Venus, the 10th star is Aswini. In SBC, it has vedha from Mars and Jupiter. In D-10, the 6th house from Cn containing Venus is Sg. Jupiter owns it. In rasi chart, Jupiter is the 9th lord from GL. > > > > Rajiv Gandhi's AmK is Rahu. From Punarvasu containing Rahu, the 10th star counted anti-zodiacally is Poorvabhadra. In SBC, it has vedha from nodes and aspect from Mercury and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Pi containing Rahu counted anti-zodiacally is Li. Mars and Mercury aspect it from Ta. In rasi chart, Mervcury is the 9th lord from GL. > > > > PV Narasimha Rao's AmK is Venus. From Krittika containing Venus, the 10th star is Uttara Phalguni. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and aspect from Moon and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp containing Venus is Ge owned by Mercury and only Mercury aspects it. In rasi chart, Mercury is the dispositor of the 5th and 9th lords from GL and is with them, aspecting GL. > > > > Ronald Reagan's AmK is Sun. From Dhanishtha containing Sun, the 10th star is Mrigasira. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and aspect from Mars and Saturn. In D-10, the 6th house from Ar containing Sun is Vi owned and occupied by Mercury and only Mars aspects it from Pi. In rasi chart, Mercury and Mars are in GL and Mars owns the 5th from GL. > > > > George W Bush's AmK is Jupiter. From Chitra containing Jupiter, the 10th star is Sravana. In SBC, it has vedha from none but aspected by Mercury, Jupiter and Venus. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp containing Jupiter is Ge owned by Mercury and aspected by Venus from Sg. In rasi chart, Mercury and Venus are in the 9th house from GL. > > > > * * * > > > > Bottomline: > > > > One may be able to unearth many ways to combine nakshatra chakra (SBC), various divisional charts and rasi chart. What factor at the mental level (SBC), what factor at the level of a specific environment in life (i.e. a divisional chart, examples of various environments shown in various divisional charts are - professional in D-10, parental in D-12, educational in D-24, spiritual in D-20, financial in D-2 etc) and what factor at the physical level (rasi chart) need to have a synergy, in order to produce a specific result? > > > > * * * > > > > Namaste Rajarshi and other young sadhakas-cum-Jyotishis, > > > > I want to humbly say a word on " research " . Please ignore my 2 cents if this makes no sense to you. > > > > I was quite passionate about Jyotish research several years back and used to spend a lot of time in research. I used to sleep at 3 am and get up at 6 am. I used to spend long hours formulating principles and testing them out on charts, changing JHora sometimes for it. After coming home from work, I used to spend as much time on astrology study and research, as I used to spend on my main profession during the day. > > > > After spiritual transformation in recent years, I stopped spending that much time. However, the productivity of my Jyotish research went up. Some ideas that struck to my mind at the end of nice meditation sessions turned out to be good and simply worked in several charts that I tried out later. > > > > If you surrender to god and rishis, you will receive whatever knowledge you need for your activities in this life. Have faith in god and rishis and surrender. Also, it is important to approach Jyotish knowledge with the spirit of a brahmana. Brahmana is one who cares about nothing other than knowledge and liberation. Kshatriya is one who cares about power, authority and control over others. Vaisya is one who cares about money. Do not look at your Jyotish knowledge as a means to have some control or authority over people and do not feel proud of your knowledge, like a kshatriya. Also, do not look at your Jyotish knowledge as a means to get money and try to increase your gains, like a vaishya. Be a true braahmana in the prusuit of Jyotish knowledge and surrender to god and rishis. Sky is the limit for you then. > > > > Of course, it is also possible then that you lose interest in Jyotish completely or partially and do not receive any or much Jyotish knowledge. But so be it. As I said, you will receive " whatever knowledge *you need* " . You don't know what you really need, but god does! Complete surrender means not asking for any specific thing and accepting whatever comes one's way! > > > > * * * > > > > Reply to Mail 2 below: > > > > I am replying publicly while keeping your anonymity. > > > > 2. Yes, a blue light from a Shiva linga entered his mother when she was pregnant with him. She also had darshan of many celestial beings on a regular basis during her pregnancy, which stopped after the delivery. > > > > Actually, Vishnu told his father in the dream at Gaya that you refer to, that *he himself* would come as a son. > > > > There are different indications, but what Ramakrishna himself declared should be the final word. > > > > 4. When I meditate deeply after homam or in general, I sometimes go into a nice spiritual state. Though there was some desire to find some principle based on abhisheka nakshatra *before* meditation started, it completely vanished from my consciousness as meditation deepened and the regular self-awareness vanished too. Then I was in a nice spiritual state where the logical mind and intuitive mind were very very calm without much mental activity. When I was coming back to a state of normal self-awareness from such a state, I just became aware of a thought. It felt like it was someone's thought just flowing in the universe and I happened to be on the same wavelength and was able to observe it. > > > > I only said I prayed to Parasara and this formula was given to me. I did not say who gave it to me, because I do not know. But I express my gratitude to Parasara, as I had prayed to him before and then this thought came and moreover this principle is far more logical and far more accurate than anything I was able to synthesize using my rational and intuitive minds before. If one begged the king for money and suddenly found a bag of gold coins thrown into one's backyard by an unseen person, one will only thank the king. Especially if the coins seem to be made of real gold.. > > > > 5. I am glad you were thinking along those lines! It shows you have some really good samskaras guiding your instincts. You can ask Agni to carry an oblation of ghee to various deities and rishis, without a separate invocation. For example, if your gotra is Goutama, you can offer an oblation in the fire while saying " om gautamaaya svaahaa. gautamaayedam na mama " . Or, if you want to offer to Jupiter, you can offer an oblation in the fire while saying " om bR^ihaspataye svaahaa. bR^ihaspataya na mama " . You can do this after the main homam and before you start the final offerings to Agni, Vaayu, Surya, Prajapati, Vishnu and Shiva. > > > > If you want to specifically invoke, you can use the Ganesha invocation from Krishna homam or Shiva homam manual as the template and follow that procedure. Replace " oM gaM gaNapataye namaH " with " oM paM paraasharaaya namaH " or just " oM paraasharaaya namaH " or the verse for Parasara below. Irresepctive of the exact procedure you used, the keys to success are (a) the strength of belief that Parasara is there in fire and (b) respect and surrender for him. Use whatever procedure maximizes those aspects in you. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > sohamsa , rajarshi nandy rajarshi14@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Narasimha, > > > > > > Very good work. > > > > > > I was trying this in some charts and most of them gave very accurate results. > > > > > > I have a few queries: > > > > > > 1) If both condition (a) and condition (b) get fulfilled, can we safely conclude that this person will attain to the highest spiritual experience of Moksha? > > > > > > 2) If only one condition is fulfilled, say the Vedha graha aspects the 12th from Ak in D20, but is not connected to 5th and/or 9th in rasi, or vice versa, can we conclude that the person is spiritual but may not reach the highest realization? > > > > > > 3) In case of no Vedha graha, does it indicate that this person cannot attain moksha in that life time? > > > > > > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot. > > > > > > -Regards > > > Rajarshi > > > > > > ------------------ > > > > > > Mail 2: > > > > > > Dear Narasimha, namaste & pranaams > > > > > > *The nature of this email is necessarily private. Do not quote this email > > > unless you feel some points/your reply to points would benefit a larger > > > section of society. Thanks in advance.* > > > > > > 1. I am so excited at your directly received revelation from Maharishi > > > Parasara! This indicates that vargas can be read as independent charts and > > > gives some valuable pointers as to how connections between rasi and vargas > > > can be synthesized. The tip of an iceberg is indicated here! > > > > > > 2. It is mentioned (I cannot cite the reference) that a blue light emanated > > > out of the Shiva Linga when Sri Ramakrishna's mother went to the temple and > > > the waves of the blue light passed into her. She felt as if she was pregnant > > > immediately. At the same time, Sri Ramakrishna's father had a dream at Gaya > > > that Vishnu would bless him with an illustrious progeny. > > > > > > 3. The statement of Sanjay cited by you below is at best an empirical > > > statement. It does not give any criteria as to how the judgement was arrived > > > at. > > > > > > 4. May I respectfully ask how you received the revelation? > > > > > > 5. Nowadays I am performing the Ganesha homam weekly. I had been toying with > > > the idea of whether to invoke Maharishis Parasara and Jaimini in the homam, > > > bow before them and seek their blessings for studying the jyotisa shastra. > > > You indirectly answered the unspoken desire! How may I invoke Maharishi > > > Jaimini in the homan? > > > > > > best regards > > > <name deleted> > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/9/09, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ > > > Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra > > > sohamsa , vedic astrology , , sjcBoston , sjc-guru > > > Tuesday, 8 September, 2009, 5:22 AM > > > > > > Namaste Sanjay and friends, > > > > > > In your book " Brihat Nakshatra " , you said regarding Ramakrishna Paramhamsa's chart: > > > > > > " In all my years of study and tens of thousands of charts, I have never come across anything as close to this chart which represents a perfect incarnation of Lord Shiva. " > > > > > > Then you went on to talk about the " specific " form of " Shiva " shown by the chart. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > However, this is inconsistent with what Ramakrishna himself revealed and religious authorities at his time opined. > > > > > > When Ramakrishna was on death bed with cancer, Narendra (Swami Vivekananda) once thought to himself, " I will accept his divinity if he declares his divinity *now*, inspite of this sickness and suffering. " As if he detected the thought, Ramakrishna said to Narendra, " you still have doubts? He who was Rama and Krishna before is in this body now. And I do not mean it in your vedantic sense! " > > > > > > By explicitly saying that he did not mean it in the vedantic sense and referring to " He who was Rama and Krishna before " , he clearly revealed that he was an incarnation of Lord Vishnu. Ramakrishna never spoke a lie and valued truthfulness highly. The words of the realized man in question himself must be more reliable than questionable and unreliable astrological principles. > > > > > > Moreover, a couple of great religious authorities of the time studied Ramakrishna Paramahamsa in his younger days when he was being trained by Bhairavi Brahmani and saw all behavioral signs and physical marks that confirmed to them that he was an incarnation of Vishnu. They declared him to be an incarnation of Vishnu. > > > > > > Given these two facts, your conclusion cannot be correct. > > > > > > Vivekananda was inherently a jnaani. He rejected Maayaa and even called Ramakrishna' s visions of various deities as hallucinations and plays of the mind. He only accepted the formless. Ramakrishna slowly created in him respect and love for Vishnu Maayaa that governs duality. Well, it takes one with purified Vishnu tattva to create respect and love for Vishnu Maayaa in one with raw Shiva tattva. Moreover, it was at the Shiva temple at Amarnath in Himalayas that Vivekananda finally realized his true nature. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > As Jupiter and Mercury are the natural guru and sishya and Jupiter is supposed to show Sadashiva and Mercury is supposed to show Vishnu, one may be tempted to theorize that Shiva is guru and Vishnu is sishya and attribute Shiva tattva to guru in a guru-sishya pair. However, that is no logic. Jupiter is not just Sadashiva, he is Jagannath too. Some of Vishnu's avataras have been the greatest gurus. Krishna is the ultimate jagadguru for his teaching of Bhagavad Gita, the greatest spiritual teaching ever. > > > > > > Also, take the example of another illustrious guru-sishya pair from a few millennia back - Govinda Bhagavatpada and Aadi Shankara. Govinda Bhagavatpada was a highly learned and elevated master. He too had several great sishyas. His main sishya Aadi Shankara is considered an incarnation of Lord Shiva and Govinda Bhagavatpada is considered to be of Vishnu tattwa. > > > > > > If one says that Govinda Bhagavatpada must have had an amsha of Shiva (Jupiter) because he was the guru and that Aadi Shankara must have had an amsha of Vishnu (Mercury) because he was the sishya, that would be no logic at all! Shiva himself said that he would be born as Aadi Shankara. > > > > > > Actually, given the parallels between the lives of Aadi Shankara and Vivekananda, it is possible that Vivekananda was a re-incarnation of Aadi Shankara. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - > > > Abhisheka Nakshatra Principle > > > ------------ --------- --------- - > > > > > > You said in the same book that abhisheka nakshatra's lord (as per Vimsottari dasa lordship) being AK is the " first indication of a high level soul having incarnated " . You use the charts of Ramakrishna and Vivekananda and a questionable chart of Lord Krishna to justify it. > > > > > > However, there are many exampsles like Sarada Mata, Ramana Maharshi, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada and Swami Sivananda, which do not satisfy the criterion. All of them are definitely " high level souls having incarnated " . > > > > > > Moreover, it is questionable to have such an important formula based on " vimsottari lordships " , which is just a star-planet mapping for one specific dasa scheme among many, as taught by Parasara. Secondly, the space of Vimsottari lord of abhisheka nakshtra contains nine planets, while the space of chara karakas contains eight planets. A formula based on equating them is mixing up two unequal sets. That is illogical. Moreover, this formula fails in many examples and works in just two (third example is based on questionable data). Thus, it sounds like a formula constructed based on an observation which was made based on just 2-3 charts. > > > > > > Any genuine formula should work in a far higher percentage of applicable charts. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > I tried to find some reasonable and logical criterion based on abhisheka nakshatra to find initial indications of a potential for liberation, that works in all the charts I mentioned above. I was unsuccessful. Each formula works in some and fails in some. The example charts I chose are all unquestionably very high caliber spiritual people. > > > > > > After my failure, I bowed to Maharshi Parasara after a daily Chandi homam and prayed to him to kindly show me a criterion based on abhisheka nakshatra that works in a higher percentage of applicable charts. The formula that was given to me is this: " The abhisheka nakshatra - the 28th nakshatra - reckoned from chara aatma kaaraka has aspect or vedha in sarvatobhadra chakra (SBC) from a planet that is also associated with (a) the 12th house from chara aatma kaaraka in D-20 chart and (b) 5th or 9th house from lagna in rasi chart. If chara aatma kaaraka is Rahu, counting of the 28th star in SBC as well as counting of the 12th house in D-20 is in anti-zodiacal order. " > > > > > > The D-20 is the chart of spiritual progress. The 12th house from AK in it shows the liberation of individual soul as one progresses spiritually. Similarly, SBC is the chakra in the nakshatra space and abhisheka (28th) nakshatra from AK in it shows liberation of soul in the nakshatra space. Planet having an influence on both the factors supports spiritual liberation. The 5th and 9th from lagna show poorvapunya and bhagya. If the same planet influences all the three factors, that planet can suggest liberation. The reverse counting from Rahu is because Rahu goes in reverse. Even when defining argala, Parasara asked to reckon argalas and virodha argalas based on houses from Rahu and Ketu in anti-zodiacal order. > > > > > > Thus, we are finding a planetary influence that brings poorvapunya and bhagya (5th and 9th) to this specific existence (lagna) and promotes liberation (12th house/28th star) of individual soul (AK) in the conscious mental plane (SBC) and the plane of spiritual activity (D-20). > > > > > > Please note that this formula does not use Vimsottari dasa lordships. It uses nakshatra chakra (SBC) for nakshatras and D-20 for rasis. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > When the formula came to me, I tried it on the charts of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Sarada Mata, Swami Vivekananda, Ramana Maharshi, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada, Swami Sivananda. It worked in all the charts. > > > > > > Sarada Mata's AK is Moon. He is in Uttara Phalguni. The 28th star from him is Poorva Phalguni. It has vedha only from Mars. In D-20, Moon is in Ta and the 12th lord from him is Mars. In rasi, Mars is the 5th lord. > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s AK is Rahu. He is in Krittika. The 28th star from him counted anti-zodiacally is Rohini. It has vedha in SBC only from Saturn. In D-20, Rahu is in Cp and the 12th house counted anti-zodiacally is Aq. Saturn owns it. In rasi, Saturn occupies the 9th house. > > > > > > Vivekananda' s AK is Sun. He is in Uttarashadha. The 28t star from him is Poorvashadha. It has vedha in SBC only from Moon and Saturn. In D-20, Sun is in Pi and Saturn is the 12th lord from him. In rasi, Saturn occupies the 9th house. > > > > > > Ramana Maharashi's AK is Moon. He is in Punarvasu. The 28th star from him is Ardra. It has vedha from Sun and Rahu and aspect from Jupiter in SBC. In D-20, Moon is in Aq and Jupiter and Rahu aspect Cp. In rasi, Jupiter occupies the 5th house. > > > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati's AK is Saturn. He is in Chitra. The 28th star from him is Hasta. It has vedha from Rahu and Ketu and aspect from Jupiter in SBC. In D-20, Saturn is in Cp and Jupiter owns the 12th while Rahu and Ketu aspect it. In rasi, Jupiter owns 5th and occupies 9th. > > > > > > Srila Prabhupada's AK is Rahu. He is in Dhanishtha. The 28th star from him is Satabhishak. It has no vedha in SBC, but Sun aspects it. In D-20, Rahu is in Sg. The 12th from him reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp and Sun aspects it. In rasi, Sun is the 9th lord. > > > > > > Swami Sivananda's AK is Sun. He is in Poorva Phalguni. The 28th star from him is Magha. It has vedha from Moon and Rahu in SBC and Saturn aspects it. In D-20, Sun is in Pi. The 12th from him is Aq. Saturn and Rahu own it and Moon aspects it. In rasi, Moon is lagna lord in 9th house. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Maharshis who overcame the concept of Time and space-time continuum when living here in a body can bless us even after they leave earth. To those of you who do any kind of homam daily or weekly and want to surrender to Parasara and get some blessings from him, I suggest making 4 or 8 or 12 aahutis (oblations) of ghee at the beginning of uttaraangam while saying one of the following: > > > > > > daivavidbhyo varaM viGYaM shaktiputraM munIshvaraM > > > horaa shaastra pravaktaaraM paraasharaM namaamyahaM. svaahaa. paraasharaayedaM na mama. > > > > > > or > > > > > > om pam paraasharaaya namaH svaahaa. paraasharaayedaM na mama. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Tenth being the strongest kendra and essentially a house that represents 'fructification' and concretization of Karma in a tangible and crystalline form, SIXTH which is tenth from ninth (Dharma, spirituality etc) perhaps may, generally speaking, represent the expression of the 9th in a tangible and concrete and visible form, Narasimha jee. Most individuals probably never go beyond the tangible, ritualistic, concrete form and expression of religion and spirituality. I am of course sharing what your posting made me think about and express and my words IN NO WAY must be taken as what Mr. Rath intended or whoever else meant to! From those two factors, namely, 10th being the strongest kendra and manifestation of karma, the SIXTH may indeed hold some important clues as to what the NINTH represents or manifests as! We would have to examine the sixth more carefully, of course! Ranjan vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Namaste friends, > > Pt Rath wrote: > > > So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose and has > > ... It is another place for seeing God, spirituality > > Seeing " spirituality " from the 6th house from AmK is a new idea introduced by Pt Rath and one without any demonstrated basis. It even contradicts his previous teachings that the 6th house from AmK shows material sustenance and shows a deity ( " paalana devata " ) that takes care of one's livelihood and sustenance. > > * * * > > Pt Rath introduced a new principle based on it: > > > Try this - If a strong planet is in the 6th house from Amatyakaraka in > > dashamsha, then the native will also do some good work in the spiritual > > path. This would be a more apt way of sayng things > > Elvis Presley had Mars in own sign in the 6th house from AmK Jupiter, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a good man and a great entertainer, but he hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . > > Ronald Reagan had exalted Mercury in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a religious man, but he hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . He was an actor and a successful political leader. > > Woody Allen has Saturn in an adhimitra rasi in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He is a famous and intelligent showman, but hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . > > Ramakrishna Dalmiya had exalted Ketu in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a smart and controversial businessman, but he hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . > > On the other hand, some people who devoted their lives to spiritual path and " did some good work " , such as Swami Vivekananda, Sarada Mata and Paramahamsa Yogananda, had no planets in the 6th house from AmK in D-10. > > The new principle from Pt Rath neither works nor makes logical sense. Fundamentally, why see " spirituality " from the 6th house from Amk? > > * * * > > Pt Rath wrote: > > > So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose and has > > *nothingto do with power and position* > > I never said the 6th from AmK shows " power and position " . This is a misinterpretation of my words. When I suggested a principle by linking three parameters, this is what I wrote on each of the parameters in the original quoted mail: > > " We are basically looking for synergy between (a) the professional (D-10) effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star), of the spirit of work in one (AmK), and the blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). " > > Amatya Karaka (AmK) represents the spirit of work in one. The 6th house (overcoming obstacles) from him shows how one puts in effort to overcome obstacles. I did not say it shows power and posititon. We are looking for synergy between these parameters by way of common influences: > > (1) The 6th house from AmK in D-10: Effort put in by the spirit of work in one in one's profession > (2) The 10th star from AmK in SBC: Mental activity of the spirit of work in one > (3) The trines from GL: The power and position one is blessed with at the physical level > > I found that a lot of successful people have a common influence on these parameters and so shared it. But I never said 6th from AmK shows " power " . > > * * * > > Reema wrote: > > > 2) A more fundamental question is why is Palana Devata seen from the > > 6th? It relates to matters of sustenance. Then, why not 2nd from AmK? > > Good question! > > I suggest putting aside the notion that the 6th house from AmK governs " sustenance " and " livelihood " , as taught by Pt Rath in the past, and taking a fresh look at the matter. Given that Pt Rath now claims it shows " spirituality " suggests that he too is perhaps taking a fresh look! Then why should others be bogged down by his previous teachings? > > Parasara talked about seeing deities from the 12th house from AK and the 6th house from AmK. Parasara said well-placed Ketu with benefic influences in the 12th house from AK shows saayujya, moksha etc (different levels of liberation from the limited I-ness that we normally have). In general, he gave the idea that 12th from AK has to do with spiritual evolution and liberation and associated different deities with different planetary influences. > > But he did not say what to see from the 6th from AmK and it is upto us to understand it! We have some clues. For example, Parasara said AK is like the king if a native's personality is a kingdom. And we know that " amaatya " means minister. We also know that Amatya Karaka was associated with career by many scholars in the past. > > I will share *my* opinion on what AmK stands for, based on my studies, contemplation and research. > > * * * > > AK shows Self or one's sense of I-ness (sense of " this is I " ). If a nativity is compared to a kingdom, then it makes sense to compare AK to the king as Parasara did. The I-ness is the ultimate controller of an individualized consciousness. The 12th house of loss or giving up from AK shows giving up I-ness and being liberated. No wonder Parasara used it in combinations involving saayujya, moksha etc. > > If one's existence as a being separate from Aatman/Brahman is analogous to a kingdom and the sense of self or I-ness is analogous to the king of that kingdom, then what is analogous to the minister? The sense of purpose or the sense of " this is the work I must accomplish " must be be analogous to the minister counseling the king. One's sense of purpose in life actively counsels one's I-ness to get various things done. > > Thus, I suggest that AmK shows one's sense of purpose in life or the sense that " this is the work I must accomplish " . > > As the sense of purpose guides and influences the work that people do, no wonder many scholars associated AmK with profession in the past. > > * * * > > When you look at things from the perspective of one's sense of purpose in life, the 2nd house of resources and food is also important as it shows what feeds one's sense of purpose in life. However, the 6th house is the most important as it shows the challenges and how they are overcome, to one's sense of purpose. The 6th house from AmK does not exactly show one's livelihood and material sustenance, but how one overcomes challenges to one's inner sense of purpose in life - what one views as " this is what I need to do " . > > The deity associated with the 6th from AmK enables one to overcome challenges and fulfil one's sense of purpose in life. The deity associated with the 12th from AK enables one to overcome I-ness and merge with god. > > * * * > > I replied to Reema's orginal mail of counter-examples in > > JyotishWritings/message/16 > > and explained how I reckon the 6th house from AmK in D-10. Most of the counter-examples were not really counter-examples as AmK was way too advanced in the sign and the 6th house extended way into the next sign compared to what Reema took. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > --- On Thu, 11/12/09, reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh wrote: > > reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh > Fwd: Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra > pvr108 > Thursday, November 12, 2009, 11:12 AM > > sohamsa , " reema_sriganesh " <reema_sriganesh@> wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krushna || > > Namaskaar Sanjay Ji, > > Thank you for raising a pertinent question. I guess I should have asked > that, too, before checking the validity of this principle on charts. I > would be very interested to hear Narasimha Ji's reasoning as to why he > takes 6th from AmK to see power and influence. > > > Next why the 6th house? It is because of the dictum *amatyadaase > chaivaM* which means > > we need to look at the 6th house from AmK ...forwhat? This has > reference to the previous > > sutra of Jaimini which relates to Istadevata. So, the 6th from AmK is > seen for spirituality > > purpose and has *nothingto do with power and position* > > Yes, I am aware of the SJC teaching of seeing Palana Devata - more > specifically, a Devi form - from the 6th from AmK in Navamsa. I have > two questions, here: > > 1) What does 6th from AmK have to do with spirituality? I mean, for a > spiritual person his/her palana is a manifestation of Devata's blessing. > I get that. But beyond this, how does Palana Devata lead one to be more > spiritual? > > 2) A more fundamental question is why is Palana Devata seen from the > 6th? It relates to matters of sustenance. Then, why not 2nd from AmK? > > Om Tat Sat > Reema. > > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote: > > > > om gurave namah > > > > Dear Reema > > > > Before I begin, I want to show my appreciation for your sincere > effort. First let us understand the principle concerned - Principle 2 is > what is being examined by you, so I will stick to that. > > > > The statement is - > > > > Principle 2: PVR > > > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned > from AmK in D-10 and the 10th > > > > > star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC have an influence of > the same planet and that > > > > > planet is also associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one > rises to a position of power and > > > > > influence in one's work. We are basically looking for synergy > between (a) the professional (D-10) > > > > > effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit > of work in one (AmK) and the > > > > > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). > > > > POINT 1: In order to understand, we need to address the following - > why are we looking at the 6th house from Amatyakaraka? AmK related to > profession is something I have been *propagating* and can be stated as > another of *Rath's own teachings*. So, this statement means that, to a > limited extent my teaching/Puri teaching, is being accepted. Fine > > > > Next why the 6th house? It is because of the dictum *amatya daase > chaivaM* which means we need to look at the 6th house from AmK ...for > what? This has reference to the previous sutra of Jaimini which relates > to Ista devata. So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose > and has *nothing to do with power and position* > > > > On this ground, I reject the principle as it lacks understanding of > the basic rules and the upadesha of Jaimini has been grossly > misinterpreted. Even Pasashara does not ask us to see the 6th house from > AmK for power, so why should we do it? > > > > POINT 2: Karma Nakshatra is a well known point and this is nothing > new. Whether one is using the 28 star system or the 27 star system, this > nakshatra will always play a powerful role in life and will dicate Karma > (work). More details can be had from Brihat nakshatra Book. > > > > POINT 3: Trines to Ghatika Lagna is an attempt to hide the standard - > 1,5,7,9 house. In fact real power is in the 5th from ghatika lagna. > > > > ...we can have so many other things from Vedic Astrology and then try > to put them together and create multiple rules. > > > > ............. MY VIEW............ > > > > Reema, I never look for rules. There are millions of them in Vedic > Astrology.I look for principles underlying the rules andthis is what I > teach all the time. If one tries to mug up rules, they will fail whereas > the principles will always stand and help as they are based on > understanding and not just memory. > > > > Finally, please DO NOT look at 6th house Amatya Karaka for power. This > is preposterous idea. It is another place for seeing God, spirituality > and not power. > > > > > > > > Try this - If a strong planet is in the 6th house from Amatyakaraka in > dashamsha, then the native will also do some good work in the spiritual > path. This would be a more apt way of sayng things > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 > 8762 > > > > Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books: > www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org > > > > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On > Behalf Of reema_sriganesh > > 10 November 2009 20:26 > > sohamsa > > Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krushna || > > > > Namaskaar Narasimha Ji, > > > > I was catching up with the old emails on Sohamsa, and I came across > your messages elucidating the following two principles: > > > > Principle 1 > > > > > The D-20 is the chart of spiritual progress. The 12th house from AK > in it shows the liberation of > > > individual soul as one progresses spiritually. Similarly, SBC is the > chakra in the nakshatra space and > > > abhisheka (28th) nakshatra from AK in it shows liberation of soul in > the nakshatra space. Planet > > > having an influence on both the factors supports spiritual > liberation. The 5th and 9th from lagna > > > show poorvapunya and bhagya. If the same planet influences all the > three factors, that planet can > > > suggest liberation. The reverse counting from Rahu is because Rahu > goes in reverse. Even when > > > defining argala, Parasara asked to reckon argalas and virodha > argalas based on houses from Rahu > > > and Ketu in anti-zodiacal order. > > > > Principle 2 > > > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned > from AmK in D-10 and the 10th > > > star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC have an influence of > the same planet and that > > > planet is also associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one > rises to a position of power and > > > influence in one's work. We are basically looking for synergy > between (a) the professional (D-10) > > > effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit > of work in one (AmK) and the > > > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). > > > > I studied both these principles in several charts. I do not feel that > I can do any justice towards testing the first principle, because, after > all, who am I to pass a judgment about someone's spirituality and then > check the validity of my presumptuous opinion in their charts?! However, > I think I can do justice to testing the second principle that you > propose because power and influence, especially power, that an > individual wields is a tangible thing, and can be perceived by the > outside World. > > > > You did provide 6 charts to support Principle 2. However, in my study > I have come across quite a few charts where this principle does not > work. Here are the examples of the charts where the principle does not > work. Please note that I used Jagannatha Ayanamsa and mixed 7/8 chara > karakas (as per your interpretation of Parasara). > > > > 1) Al Gore > > > > DoB: 03/31/1948 > > ToB: 12:58 > > PoB: 77W02, 38N54 > > TZ: 5:00 Hrs. West of GMT > > > > AmK is Budha. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Shani and Rahu and > is given rasi drishti by Shani and Surya. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the > 10th nakshatra from Purvabhadra (occupied by AmK Budha) is Punarvasu. > Punarvasu gets vedha from Budha, Guru, and Chandra. So, a common planet > is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work > in this chart of an American ex-vice president. > > > > 2) Abdul Kalam > > > > DoB: 10/15/1931 > > ToB: 11:30 > > PoB: 79E18, 9N17 > > TZ: 5:30 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala and > Ketu, and is occupied by Guru. Budha and Chandra give rasi drishti. In > Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Visakha (occupied by AmK > Mangala) is Satabhishaka. Satabhishaka gets vedha from Shukra. So, a > common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle > does not work in this chart of an Indian ex-president. > > > > 3) Benazir Bhutto > > > > DoB: 06/21/1953 > > ToB: 20:16:03 > > PoB: Karachi, Pakistan > > TZ: 5 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > AmK is Shukra. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and is > given rasi drishti by Surya, Shani, and Shukra. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, > the 10th nakshatra from Bharani (occupied by AmK Shukra) is > Purvaphalguni, which receives vedha from Ketu. So, a common planet is > not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in > this chart of a Pakistani ex-prime minister. > > > > 4) Boris Yeltsin > > > > DoB: 02/01/1931 > > ToB: 17:00:00 > > PoB: 63E47, 56N47 > > TZ: 5 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Shani and occupied > by Chandra and Ketu. Shani, Budha, and Mangala give rasi drishti. In > Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Purvashadha (occupied by > AmK Shani) is Aswini receiving vedha from Chandra. Hence, there is a > common planet i.e. Chandra influencing these two hot spots. Let us see > if Chandra influences trikona from Ghati Lagna in rasi. Chandra is in > Vrishchika and GL is in Tula. Chandra, thus, does not associate in any > way to GL or its trikonas. The principle does not work in this chart of > a Russian ex-president. > > > > 5) Donald Rumsfeld > > > > DoB: 07/09/1932 > > ToB: 17:40:00 > > PoB: 87W39, 41N51 > > TZ: 6 Hrs. West of GMT > > > > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Guru, and > occupied by Shani. Budha gives rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, > the 10th nakshatra from Rohini (occupied by AmK Mangala) is Hasta, which > receives vedha from Shukra. So, a common planet is not influencing the > first two hot spots. The principle does not work in this chart of an > American ex-secretary of defense. > > > > 6) Dudley Senanyake > > > > DoB: 06/19/1911 > > ToB: 12:15:51 > > PoB: 79E51, 6N56 > > TZ: 5:30 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and Guru, > Chandra, Shani, Rahu, and Ketu give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra > Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Bharani (occupied by AmK Shani) is > Purvaphalguni, which receives drishti from Chandra. Hence, there is a > common planet i.e. Chandra influencing these two hot spots. Let us see > if Chandra influences trikona from Ghati Lagna in rasi. Chandra is in > Kumbha and GL is in Kanya. Chandra, thus, does not associate in any way > to GL or its trikonas. The principle does not work in this chart of a > Sri Lankan ex-prime minister. > > > > 7) Gerald Ford Jr. > > > > DoB: 07/14/1913 > > ToB: 0:41:00 > > PoB: 96W01, 41N17 > > TZ: 6 Hrs. West of GMT > > > > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned, and occupied by > Shukra. Shani, Chandra, and Budha give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra > Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Krittika (occupied by AmK Mangala) is > Uttaraphalguni, which receives vedha from Surya. So, a common planet is > not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in > this chart of an American ex-president. > > > > 8) Henry Kissinger > > > > DoB: 05/27/1923 > > ToB: 5:30:00 > > PoB: Furth, Germany > > TZ: 1:00 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and > occupied by Guru. Shani, Shukra, and Chandra give rasi drishti. In > Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Hasta (occupied by AmK > Shani) is Abhijeet, which receives vedha from Surya, Budha, and Rahu. > So, a common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The > principle does not work in this chart of an American ex-secretary of > state. > > > > Of course, I ran out of time to test this principle on *all* the > charts of politicians that I have. Also, I cannot vouch for the accuracy > of birth data that I have used. But I can say this - out of the 16 > charts I tested, 8 validated the principle, and 8 did not. The ones that > did validate the principle are: > > > > 1) Adolf Hitler > > 2) Bill Bradley > > 3) Condelizza Rice > > 4) Dr. Murali Manohar Joshi > > 5) Elizabeth Dole > > 6) Franklin Delano Roosevelt > > 7) Jayalalitha > > 8) Abraham Lincoln > > > > So the success rate for me was 50%. It also got me thinking that > perhaps we should use another varga instead of D-10? Say, D-5? D-5 > specifically deals with power and authority as per my understanding. You > have put forth two very interesting principles based on your research > and blessed intuition. I hope you do write a follow-up to my question. > > > > Om Tat Sat > > Reema. > > > > sohamsa , Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Rajarshi, > > > > > > (1) Of course not. This is just a conducive factor. It makes sense > logically and it seems to work in several charts in which you would > expect it to apply. That's all. > > > > > > I have no view on (2) and (3). Obviously, I do not have all answers. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot. > > > > > > What I shared is the tip of the iceberg, just like the planetary > special lagna concepts that I illustrated using Ve7 as an example > sometime back. > > > > > > There are so many reference points in charts, so many houses and so > many nakshatras. If one applies oneself intelligently and tests using > many examples, one can arrive at so many formulas using what I gave as a > template. > > > > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned > from AmK in D-10 and the 10th star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK > in SBC have an influence of the same planet and that planet is also > associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one rises to a position > of power and influence in one's work. We are basically looking for > synergy between (a) the professional (D-10) effort (6th) and (b) mental > (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit of work in one (AmK) and the > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). > > > > > > Nehru's AmK is Rahu. From Ardra containing Rahu, the 10th star > counted anti-zodiacally is Satabhishak. In SBC, it has vedha from > Mercury and Venus. In D-10, the 6th house from Li containing Rahu > counted anti-zodiacally is Ta. Venus owns it. In rasi chart, Venus is > the lord of GL and joins the lord of the 5th house from GL. > > > > > > Indira Gandhi's AmK is Venus. From Poorvashadha containing Venus, > the 10th star is Aswini. In SBC, it has vedha from Mars and Jupiter. In > D-10, the 6th house from Cn containing Venus is Sg. Jupiter owns it. In > rasi chart, Jupiter is the 9th lord from GL. > > > > > > Rajiv Gandhi's AmK is Rahu. From Punarvasu containing Rahu, the 10th > star counted anti-zodiacally is Poorvabhadra. In SBC, it has vedha from > nodes and aspect from Mercury and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Pi > containing Rahu counted anti-zodiacally is Li. Mars and Mercury aspect > it from Ta. In rasi chart, Mervcury is the 9th lord from GL. > > > > > > PV Narasimha Rao's AmK is Venus. From Krittika containing Venus, the > 10th star is Uttara Phalguni. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and > aspect from Moon and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp containing > Venus is Ge owned by Mercury and only Mercury aspects it. In rasi chart, > Mercury is the dispositor of the 5th and 9th lords from GL and is with > them, aspecting GL. > > > > > > Ronald Reagan's AmK is Sun. From Dhanishtha containing Sun, the 10th > star is Mrigasira. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and aspect from > Mars and Saturn. In D-10, the 6th house from Ar containing Sun is Vi > owned and occupied by Mercury and only Mars aspects it from Pi. In rasi > chart, Mercury and Mars are in GL and Mars owns the 5th from GL. > > > > > > George W Bush's AmK is Jupiter. From Chitra containing Jupiter, the > 10th star is Sravana. In SBC, it has vedha from none but aspected by > Mercury, Jupiter and Venus. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp containing > Jupiter is Ge owned by Mercury and aspected by Venus from Sg. In rasi > chart, Mercury and Venus are in the 9th house from GL. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Bottomline: > > > > > > One may be able to unearth many ways to combine nakshatra chakra > (SBC), various divisional charts and rasi chart. What factor at the > mental level (SBC), what factor at the level of a specific environment > in life (i.e. a divisional chart, examples of various environments shown > in various divisional charts are - professional in D-10, parental in > D-12, educational in D-24, spiritual in D-20, financial in D-2 etc) and > what factor at the physical level (rasi chart) need to have a synergy, > in order to produce a specific result? > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Namaste Rajarshi and other young sadhakas-cum-Jyotishis, > > > > > > I want to humbly say a word on " research " . Please ignore my 2 cents > if this makes no sense to you. > > > > > > I was quite passionate about Jyotish research several years back and > used to spend a lot of time in research. I used to sleep at 3 am and get > up at 6 am. I used to spend long hours formulating principles and > testing them out on charts, changing JHora sometimes for it. After > coming home from work, I used to spend as much time on astrology study > and research, as I used to spend on my main profession during the day. > > > > > > After spiritual transformation in recent years, I stopped spending > that much time. However, the productivity of my Jyotish research went > up. Some ideas that struck to my mind at the end of nice meditation > sessions turned out to be good and simply worked in several charts that > I tried out later. > > > > > > If you surrender to god and rishis, you will receive whatever > knowledge you need for your activities in this life. Have faith in god > and rishis and surrender. Also, it is important to approach Jyotish > knowledge with the spirit of a brahmana. Brahmana is one who cares about > nothing other than knowledge and liberation. Kshatriya is one who cares > about power, authority and control over others. Vaisya is one who cares > about money. Do not look at your Jyotish knowledge as a means to have > some control or authority over people and do not feel proud of your > knowledge, like a kshatriya. Also, do not look at your Jyotish knowledge > as a means to get money and try to increase your gains, like a vaishya. > Be a true braahmana in the prusuit of Jyotish knowledge and surrender to > god and rishis. Sky is the limit for you then. > > > > > > Of course, it is also possible then that you lose interest in > Jyotish completely or partially and do not receive any or much Jyotish > knowledge. But so be it. As I said, you will receive " whatever knowledge > *you need* " . You don't know what you really need, but god does! Complete > surrender means not asking for any specific thing and accepting whatever > comes one's way! > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Reply to Mail 2 below: > > > > > > I am replying publicly while keeping your anonymity. > > > > > > 2. Yes, a blue light from a Shiva linga entered his mother when she > was pregnant with him. She also had darshan of many celestial beings on > a regular basis during her pregnancy, which stopped after the delivery. > > > > > > Actually, Vishnu told his father in the dream at Gaya that you refer > to, that *he himself* would come as a son. > > > > > > There are different indications, but what Ramakrishna himself > declared should be the final word. > > > > > > 4. When I meditate deeply after homam or in general, I sometimes go > into a nice spiritual state. Though there was some desire to find some > principle based on abhisheka nakshatra *before* meditation started, it > completely vanished from my consciousness as meditation deepened and the > regular self-awareness vanished too. Then I was in a nice spiritual > state where the logical mind and intuitive mind were very very calm > without much mental activity. When I was coming back to a state of > normal self-awareness from such a state, I just became aware of a > thought. It felt like it was someone's thought just flowing in the > universe and I happened to be on the same wavelength and was able to > observe it. > > > > > > I only said I prayed to Parasara and this formula was given to me. I > did not say who gave it to me, because I do not know. But I express my > gratitude to Parasara, as I had prayed to him before and then this > thought came and moreover this principle is far more logical and far > more accurate than anything I was able to synthesize using my rational > and intuitive minds before. If one begged the king for money and > suddenly found a bag of gold coins thrown into one's backyard by an > unseen person, one will only thank the king. Especially if the coins > seem to be made of real gold.. > > > > > > 5. I am glad you were thinking along those lines! It shows you have > some really good samskaras guiding your instincts. You can ask Agni to > carry an oblation of ghee to various deities and rishis, without a > separate invocation. For example, if your gotra is Goutama, you can > offer an oblation in the fire while saying " om gautamaaya svaahaa. > gautamaayedam na mama " . Or, if you want to offer to Jupiter, you can > offer an oblation in the fire while saying " om bR^ihaspataye svaahaa. > bR^ihaspataya na mama " . You can do this after the main homam and before > you start the final offerings to Agni, Vaayu, Surya, Prajapati, Vishnu > and Shiva. > > > > > > If you want to specifically invoke, you can use the Ganesha > invocation from Krishna homam or Shiva homam manual as the template and > follow that procedure. Replace " oM gaM gaNapataye namaH " with " oM paM > paraasharaaya namaH " or just " oM paraasharaaya namaH " or the verse for > Parasara below. Irresepctive of the exact procedure you used, the keys > to success are (a) the strength of belief that Parasara is there in fire > and (b) respect and surrender for him. Use whatever procedure maximizes > those aspects in you. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > > Spirituality: > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , rajarshi nandy rajarshi14@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Narasimha, > > > > > > > > Very good work. > > > > > > > > I was trying this in some charts and most of them gave very > accurate results. > > > > > > > > I have a few queries: > > > > > > > > 1) If both condition (a) and condition (b) get fulfilled, can we > safely conclude that this person will attain to the highest spiritual > experience of Moksha? > > > > > > > > 2) If only one condition is fulfilled, say the Vedha graha aspects > the 12th from Ak in D20, but is not connected to 5th and/or 9th in rasi, > or vice versa, can we conclude that the person is spiritual but may not > reach the highest realization? > > > > > > > > 3) In case of no Vedha graha, does it indicate that this person > cannot attain moksha in that life time? > > > > > > > > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot. > > > > > > > > -Regards > > > > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > ------------------ > > > > > > > > Mail 2: > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha, namaste & pranaams > > > > > > > > *The nature of this email is necessarily private. Do not quote > this email > > > > unless you feel some points/your reply to points would benefit a > larger > > > > section of society. Thanks in advance.* > > > > > > > > 1. I am so excited at your directly received revelation from > Maharishi > > > > Parasara! This indicates that vargas can be read as independent > charts and > > > > gives some valuable pointers as to how connections between rasi > and vargas > > > > can be synthesized. The tip of an iceberg is indicated here! > > > > > > > > 2. It is mentioned (I cannot cite the reference) that a blue light > emanated > > > > out of the Shiva Linga when Sri Ramakrishna's mother went to the > temple and > > > > the waves of the blue light passed into her. She felt as if she > was pregnant > > > > immediately. At the same time, Sri Ramakrishna's father had a > dream at Gaya > > > > that Vishnu would bless him with an illustrious progeny. > > > > > > > > 3. The statement of Sanjay cited by you below is at best an > empirical > > > > statement. It does not give any criteria as to how the judgement > was arrived > > > > at. > > > > > > > > 4. May I respectfully ask how you received the revelation? > > > > > > > > 5. Nowadays I am performing the Ganesha homam weekly. I had been > toying with > > > > the idea of whether to invoke Maharishis Parasara and Jaimini in > the homam, > > > > bow before them and seek their blessings for studying the jyotisa > shastra. > > > > You indirectly answered the unspoken desire! How may I invoke > Maharishi > > > > Jaimini in the homan? > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > <name deleted> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/9/09, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ > > > > Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra > > > > sohamsa , vedic astrology , > , sjcBoston , > sjc-guru > > > > Tuesday, 8 September, 2009, 5:22 AM > > > > > > > > Namaste Sanjay and friends, > > > > > > > > In your book " Brihat Nakshatra " , you said regarding Ramakrishna > Paramhamsa's chart: > > > > > > > > " In all my years of study and tens of thousands of charts, I have > never come across anything as close to this chart which represents a > perfect incarnation of Lord Shiva. " > > > > > > > > Then you went on to talk about the " specific " form of " Shiva " > shown by the chart. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > However, this is inconsistent with what Ramakrishna himself > revealed and religious authorities at his time opined. > > > > > > > > When Ramakrishna was on death bed with cancer, Narendra (Swami > Vivekananda) once thought to himself, " I will accept his divinity if he > declares his divinity *now*, inspite of this sickness and suffering. " As > if he detected the thought, Ramakrishna said to Narendra, " you still > have doubts? He who was Rama and Krishna before is in this body now. And > I do not mean it in your vedantic sense! " > > > > > > > > By explicitly saying that he did not mean it in the vedantic sense > and referring to " He who was Rama and Krishna before " , he clearly > revealed that he was an incarnation of Lord Vishnu. Ramakrishna never > spoke a lie and valued truthfulness highly. The words of the realized > man in question himself must be more reliable than questionable and > unreliable astrological principles. > > > > > > > > Moreover, a couple of great religious authorities of the time > studied Ramakrishna Paramahamsa in his younger days when he was being > trained by Bhairavi Brahmani and saw all behavioral signs and physical > marks that confirmed to them that he was an incarnation of Vishnu. They > declared him to be an incarnation of Vishnu. > > > > > > > > Given these two facts, your conclusion cannot be correct. > > > > > > > > Vivekananda was inherently a jnaani. He rejected Maayaa and even > called Ramakrishna' s visions of various deities as hallucinations and > plays of the mind. He only accepted the formless. Ramakrishna slowly > created in him respect and love for Vishnu Maayaa that governs duality. > Well, it takes one with purified Vishnu tattva to create respect and > love for Vishnu Maayaa in one with raw Shiva tattva. Moreover, it was at > the Shiva temple at Amarnath in Himalayas that Vivekananda finally > realized his true nature. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > As Jupiter and Mercury are the natural guru and sishya and Jupiter > is supposed to show Sadashiva and Mercury is supposed to show Vishnu, > one may be tempted to theorize that Shiva is guru and Vishnu is sishya > and attribute Shiva tattva to guru in a guru-sishya pair. However, that > is no logic. Jupiter is not just Sadashiva, he is Jagannath too. Some of > Vishnu's avataras have been the greatest gurus. Krishna is the ultimate > jagadguru for his teaching of Bhagavad Gita, the greatest spiritual > teaching ever. > > > > > > > > Also, take the example of another illustrious guru-sishya pair > from a few millennia back - Govinda Bhagavatpada and Aadi Shankara. > Govinda Bhagavatpada was a highly learned and elevated master. He too > had several great sishyas. His main sishya Aadi Shankara is considered > an incarnation of Lord Shiva and Govinda Bhagavatpada is considered to > be of Vishnu tattwa. > > > > > > > > If one says that Govinda Bhagavatpada must have had an amsha of > Shiva (Jupiter) because he was the guru and that Aadi Shankara must have > had an amsha of Vishnu (Mercury) because he was the sishya, that would > be no logic at all! Shiva himself said that he would be born as Aadi > Shankara. > > > > > > > > Actually, given the parallels between the lives of Aadi Shankara > and Vivekananda, it is possible that Vivekananda was a re-incarnation of > Aadi Shankara. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - > > > > Abhisheka Nakshatra Principle > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > You said in the same book that abhisheka nakshatra's lord (as per > Vimsottari dasa lordship) being AK is the " first indication of a high > level soul having incarnated " . You use the charts of Ramakrishna and > Vivekananda and a questionable chart of Lord Krishna to justify it. > > > > > > > > However, there are many exampsles like Sarada Mata, Ramana > Maharshi, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada and Swami > Sivananda, which do not satisfy the criterion. All of them are > definitely " high level souls having incarnated " . > > > > > > > > Moreover, it is questionable to have such an important formula > based on " vimsottari lordships " , which is just a star-planet mapping for > one specific dasa scheme among many, as taught by Parasara. Secondly, > the space of Vimsottari lord of abhisheka nakshtra contains nine > planets, while the space of chara karakas contains eight planets. A > formula based on equating them is mixing up two unequal sets. That is > illogical. Moreover, this formula fails in many examples and works in > just two (third example is based on questionable data). Thus, it sounds > like a formula constructed based on an observation which was made based > on just 2-3 charts. > > > > > > > > Any genuine formula should work in a far higher percentage of > applicable charts. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > I tried to find some reasonable and logical criterion based on > abhisheka nakshatra to find initial indications of a potential for > liberation, that works in all the charts I mentioned above. I was > unsuccessful. Each formula works in some and fails in some. The example > charts I chose are all unquestionably very high caliber spiritual > people. > > > > > > > > After my failure, I bowed to Maharshi Parasara after a daily > Chandi homam and prayed to him to kindly show me a criterion based on > abhisheka nakshatra that works in a higher percentage of applicable > charts. The formula that was given to me is this: " The abhisheka > nakshatra - the 28th nakshatra - reckoned from chara aatma kaaraka has > aspect or vedha in sarvatobhadra chakra (SBC) from a planet that is also > associated with (a) the 12th house from chara aatma kaaraka in D-20 > chart and (b) 5th or 9th house from lagna in rasi chart. If chara aatma > kaaraka is Rahu, counting of the 28th star in SBC as well as counting of > the 12th house in D-20 is in anti-zodiacal order. " > > > > > > > > The D-20 is the chart of spiritual progress. The 12th house from > AK in it shows the liberation of individual soul as one progresses > spiritually. Similarly, SBC is the chakra in the nakshatra space and > abhisheka (28th) nakshatra from AK in it shows liberation of soul in the > nakshatra space. Planet having an influence on both the factors supports > spiritual liberation. The 5th and 9th from lagna show poorvapunya and > bhagya. If the same planet influences all the three factors, that planet > can suggest liberation. The reverse counting from Rahu is because Rahu > goes in reverse. Even when defining argala, Parasara asked to reckon > argalas and virodha argalas based on houses from Rahu and Ketu in > anti-zodiacal order. > > > > > > > > Thus, we are finding a planetary influence that brings poorvapunya > and bhagya (5th and 9th) to this specific existence (lagna) and promotes > liberation (12th house/28th star) of individual soul (AK) in the > conscious mental plane (SBC) and the plane of spiritual activity (D-20). > > > > > > > > Please note that this formula does not use Vimsottari dasa > lordships. It uses nakshatra chakra (SBC) for nakshatras and D-20 for > rasis. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > When the formula came to me, I tried it on the charts of > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Sarada Mata, Swami Vivekananda, Ramana > Maharshi, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada, Swami > Sivananda. It worked in all the charts. > > > > > > > > Sarada Mata's AK is Moon. He is in Uttara Phalguni. The 28th star > from him is Poorva Phalguni. It has vedha only from Mars. In D-20, Moon > is in Ta and the 12th lord from him is Mars. In rasi, Mars is the 5th > lord. > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s AK is Rahu. He is in Krittika. The 28th star from > him counted anti-zodiacally is Rohini. It has vedha in SBC only from > Saturn. In D-20, Rahu is in Cp and the 12th house counted > anti-zodiacally is Aq. Saturn owns it. In rasi, Saturn occupies the 9th > house. > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s AK is Sun. He is in Uttarashadha. The 28t star from > him is Poorvashadha. It has vedha in SBC only from Moon and Saturn. In > D-20, Sun is in Pi and Saturn is the 12th lord from him. In rasi, Saturn > occupies the 9th house. > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharashi's AK is Moon. He is in Punarvasu. The 28th star > from him is Ardra. It has vedha from Sun and Rahu and aspect from > Jupiter in SBC. In D-20, Moon is in Aq and Jupiter and Rahu aspect Cp. > In rasi, Jupiter occupies the 5th house. > > > > > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati's AK is Saturn. He is in Chitra. > The 28th star from him is Hasta. It has vedha from Rahu and Ketu and > aspect from Jupiter in SBC. In D-20, Saturn is in Cp and Jupiter owns > the 12th while Rahu and Ketu aspect it. In rasi, Jupiter owns 5th and > occupies 9th. > > > > > > > > Srila Prabhupada's AK is Rahu. He is in Dhanishtha. The 28th star > from him is Satabhishak. It has no vedha in SBC, but Sun aspects it. In > D-20, Rahu is in Sg. The 12th from him reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp > and Sun aspects it. In rasi, Sun is the 9th lord. > > > > > > > > Swami Sivananda's AK is Sun. He is in Poorva Phalguni. The 28th > star from him is Magha. It has vedha from Moon and Rahu in SBC and > Saturn aspects it. In D-20, Sun is in Pi. The 12th from him is Aq. > Saturn and Rahu own it and Moon aspects it. In rasi, Moon is lagna lord > in 9th house. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Maharshis who overcame the concept of Time and space-time > continuum when living here in a body can bless us even after they leave > earth. To those of you who do any kind of homam daily or weekly and want > to surrender to Parasara and get some blessings from him, I suggest > making 4 or 8 or 12 aahutis (oblations) of ghee at the beginning of > uttaraangam while saying one of the following: > > > > > > > > daivavidbhyo varaM viGYaM shaktiputraM munIshvaraM > > > > horaa shaastra pravaktaaraM paraasharaM namaamyahaM. svaahaa. > paraasharaayedaM na mama. > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > om pam paraasharaaya namaH svaahaa. paraasharaayedaM na mama. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > --- End forwarded message --- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 NAMASKAR Good sharing Rohiniji, 6th house definitely manifest some dharmik work, but I think it is different from " 6th from Amatyakaraka " which was taught in " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " as " seeing deities of PALAN KARTA taking care for financial livelihood and sustenance of family " . hope you appreciate my sharing too... best regards, Biswajit vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Tenth being the strongest kendra and essentially a house that represents 'fructification' and concretization of Karma in a tangible and crystalline form, SIXTH which is tenth from ninth (Dharma, spirituality etc) perhaps may, generally speaking, represent the expression of the 9th in a tangible and concrete and visible form, Narasimha jee. Most individuals probably never go beyond the tangible, ritualistic, concrete form and expression of religion and spirituality. > > I am of course sharing what your posting made me think about and express and my words IN NO WAY must be taken as what Mr. Rath intended or whoever else meant to! > > From those two factors, namely, 10th being the strongest kendra and manifestation of karma, the SIXTH may indeed hold some important clues as to what the NINTH represents or manifests as! > > We would have to examine the sixth more carefully, of course! > > Ranjan > > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > Pt Rath wrote: > > > > > So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose and has > > > ... It is another place for seeing God, spirituality > > > > Seeing " spirituality " from the 6th house from AmK is a new idea introduced by Pt Rath and one without any demonstrated basis. It even contradicts his previous teachings that the 6th house from AmK shows material sustenance and shows a deity ( " paalana devata " ) that takes care of one's livelihood and sustenance. > > > > * * * > > > > Pt Rath introduced a new principle based on it: > > > > > Try this - If a strong planet is in the 6th house from Amatyakaraka in > > > dashamsha, then the native will also do some good work in the spiritual > > > path. This would be a more apt way of sayng things > > > > Elvis Presley had Mars in own sign in the 6th house from AmK Jupiter, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a good man and a great entertainer, but he hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . > > > > Ronald Reagan had exalted Mercury in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a religious man, but he hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . He was an actor and a successful political leader. > > > > Woody Allen has Saturn in an adhimitra rasi in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He is a famous and intelligent showman, but hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . > > > > Ramakrishna Dalmiya had exalted Ketu in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a smart and controversial businessman, but he hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . > > > > On the other hand, some people who devoted their lives to spiritual path and " did some good work " , such as Swami Vivekananda, Sarada Mata and Paramahamsa Yogananda, had no planets in the 6th house from AmK in D-10. > > > > The new principle from Pt Rath neither works nor makes logical sense. Fundamentally, why see " spirituality " from the 6th house from Amk? > > > > * * * > > > > Pt Rath wrote: > > > > > So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose and has > > > *nothingto do with power and position* > > > > I never said the 6th from AmK shows " power and position " . This is a misinterpretation of my words. When I suggested a principle by linking three parameters, this is what I wrote on each of the parameters in the original quoted mail: > > > > " We are basically looking for synergy between (a) the professional (D-10) effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star), of the spirit of work in one (AmK), and the blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). " > > > > Amatya Karaka (AmK) represents the spirit of work in one. The 6th house (overcoming obstacles) from him shows how one puts in effort to overcome obstacles. I did not say it shows power and posititon. We are looking for synergy between these parameters by way of common influences: > > > > (1) The 6th house from AmK in D-10: Effort put in by the spirit of work in one in one's profession > > (2) The 10th star from AmK in SBC: Mental activity of the spirit of work in one > > (3) The trines from GL: The power and position one is blessed with at the physical level > > > > I found that a lot of successful people have a common influence on these parameters and so shared it. But I never said 6th from AmK shows " power " . > > > > * * * > > > > Reema wrote: > > > > > 2) A more fundamental question is why is Palana Devata seen from the > > > 6th? It relates to matters of sustenance. Then, why not 2nd from AmK? > > > > Good question! > > > > I suggest putting aside the notion that the 6th house from AmK governs " sustenance " and " livelihood " , as taught by Pt Rath in the past, and taking a fresh look at the matter. Given that Pt Rath now claims it shows " spirituality " suggests that he too is perhaps taking a fresh look! Then why should others be bogged down by his previous teachings? > > > > Parasara talked about seeing deities from the 12th house from AK and the 6th house from AmK. Parasara said well-placed Ketu with benefic influences in the 12th house from AK shows saayujya, moksha etc (different levels of liberation from the limited I-ness that we normally have). In general, he gave the idea that 12th from AK has to do with spiritual evolution and liberation and associated different deities with different planetary influences. > > > > But he did not say what to see from the 6th from AmK and it is upto us to understand it! We have some clues. For example, Parasara said AK is like the king if a native's personality is a kingdom. And we know that " amaatya " means minister. We also know that Amatya Karaka was associated with career by many scholars in the past. > > > > I will share *my* opinion on what AmK stands for, based on my studies, contemplation and research. > > > > * * * > > > > AK shows Self or one's sense of I-ness (sense of " this is I " ). If a nativity is compared to a kingdom, then it makes sense to compare AK to the king as Parasara did. The I-ness is the ultimate controller of an individualized consciousness. The 12th house of loss or giving up from AK shows giving up I-ness and being liberated. No wonder Parasara used it in combinations involving saayujya, moksha etc. > > > > If one's existence as a being separate from Aatman/Brahman is analogous to a kingdom and the sense of self or I-ness is analogous to the king of that kingdom, then what is analogous to the minister? The sense of purpose or the sense of " this is the work I must accomplish " must be be analogous to the minister counseling the king. One's sense of purpose in life actively counsels one's I-ness to get various things done. > > > > Thus, I suggest that AmK shows one's sense of purpose in life or the sense that " this is the work I must accomplish " . > > > > As the sense of purpose guides and influences the work that people do, no wonder many scholars associated AmK with profession in the past. > > > > * * * > > > > When you look at things from the perspective of one's sense of purpose in life, the 2nd house of resources and food is also important as it shows what feeds one's sense of purpose in life. However, the 6th house is the most important as it shows the challenges and how they are overcome, to one's sense of purpose. The 6th house from AmK does not exactly show one's livelihood and material sustenance, but how one overcomes challenges to one's inner sense of purpose in life - what one views as " this is what I need to do " . > > > > The deity associated with the 6th from AmK enables one to overcome challenges and fulfil one's sense of purpose in life. The deity associated with the 12th from AK enables one to overcome I-ness and merge with god. > > > > * * * > > > > I replied to Reema's orginal mail of counter-examples in > > > > JyotishWritings/message/16 > > > > and explained how I reckon the 6th house from AmK in D-10. Most of the counter-examples were not really counter-examples as AmK was way too advanced in the sign and the 6th house extended way into the next sign compared to what Reema took. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > --- On Thu, 11/12/09, reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh@> wrote: > > > > reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh@> > > Fwd: Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra > > pvr108@ > > Thursday, November 12, 2009, 11:12 AM > > > > sohamsa , " reema_sriganesh " <reema_sriganesh@> wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krushna || > > > > Namaskaar Sanjay Ji, > > > > Thank you for raising a pertinent question. I guess I should have asked > > that, too, before checking the validity of this principle on charts. I > > would be very interested to hear Narasimha Ji's reasoning as to why he > > takes 6th from AmK to see power and influence. > > > > > Next why the 6th house? It is because of the dictum *amatyadaase > > chaivaM* which means > > > we need to look at the 6th house from AmK ...forwhat? This has > > reference to the previous > > > sutra of Jaimini which relates to Istadevata. So, the 6th from AmK is > > seen for spirituality > > > purpose and has *nothingto do with power and position* > > > > Yes, I am aware of the SJC teaching of seeing Palana Devata - more > > specifically, a Devi form - from the 6th from AmK in Navamsa. I have > > two questions, here: > > > > 1) What does 6th from AmK have to do with spirituality? I mean, for a > > spiritual person his/her palana is a manifestation of Devata's blessing. > > I get that. But beyond this, how does Palana Devata lead one to be more > > spiritual? > > > > 2) A more fundamental question is why is Palana Devata seen from the > > 6th? It relates to matters of sustenance. Then, why not 2nd from AmK? > > > > Om Tat Sat > > Reema. > > > > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote: > > > > > > om gurave namah > > > > > > Dear Reema > > > > > > Before I begin, I want to show my appreciation for your sincere > > effort. First let us understand the principle concerned - Principle 2 is > > what is being examined by you, so I will stick to that. > > > > > > The statement is - > > > > > > Principle 2: PVR > > > > > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned > > from AmK in D-10 and the 10th > > > > > > > star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC have an influence of > > the same planet and that > > > > > > > planet is also associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one > > rises to a position of power and > > > > > > > influence in one's work. We are basically looking for synergy > > between (a) the professional (D-10) > > > > > > > effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit > > of work in one (AmK) and the > > > > > > > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). > > > > > > POINT 1: In order to understand, we need to address the following - > > why are we looking at the 6th house from Amatyakaraka? AmK related to > > profession is something I have been *propagating* and can be stated as > > another of *Rath's own teachings*. So, this statement means that, to a > > limited extent my teaching/Puri teaching, is being accepted. Fine > > > > > > Next why the 6th house? It is because of the dictum *amatya daase > > chaivaM* which means we need to look at the 6th house from AmK ...for > > what? This has reference to the previous sutra of Jaimini which relates > > to Ista devata. So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose > > and has *nothing to do with power and position* > > > > > > On this ground, I reject the principle as it lacks understanding of > > the basic rules and the upadesha of Jaimini has been grossly > > misinterpreted. Even Pasashara does not ask us to see the 6th house from > > AmK for power, so why should we do it? > > > > > > POINT 2: Karma Nakshatra is a well known point and this is nothing > > new. Whether one is using the 28 star system or the 27 star system, this > > nakshatra will always play a powerful role in life and will dicate Karma > > (work). More details can be had from Brihat nakshatra Book. > > > > > > POINT 3: Trines to Ghatika Lagna is an attempt to hide the standard - > > 1,5,7,9 house. In fact real power is in the 5th from ghatika lagna. > > > > > > ...we can have so many other things from Vedic Astrology and then try > > to put them together and create multiple rules. > > > > > > ............. MY VIEW............ > > > > > > Reema, I never look for rules. There are millions of them in Vedic > > Astrology.I look for principles underlying the rules andthis is what I > > teach all the time. If one tries to mug up rules, they will fail whereas > > the principles will always stand and help as they are based on > > understanding and not just memory. > > > > > > Finally, please DO NOT look at 6th house Amatya Karaka for power. This > > is preposterous idea. It is another place for seeing God, spirituality > > and not power. > > > > > > > > > > > > Try this - If a strong planet is in the 6th house from Amatyakaraka in > > dashamsha, then the native will also do some good work in the spiritual > > path. This would be a more apt way of sayng things > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 > > 8762 > > > > > > Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books: > > www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On > > Behalf Of reema_sriganesh > > > 10 November 2009 20:26 > > > sohamsa > > > Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krushna || > > > > > > Namaskaar Narasimha Ji, > > > > > > I was catching up with the old emails on Sohamsa, and I came across > > your messages elucidating the following two principles: > > > > > > Principle 1 > > > > > > > The D-20 is the chart of spiritual progress. The 12th house from AK > > in it shows the liberation of > > > > individual soul as one progresses spiritually. Similarly, SBC is the > > chakra in the nakshatra space and > > > > abhisheka (28th) nakshatra from AK in it shows liberation of soul in > > the nakshatra space. Planet > > > > having an influence on both the factors supports spiritual > > liberation. The 5th and 9th from lagna > > > > show poorvapunya and bhagya. If the same planet influences all the > > three factors, that planet can > > > > suggest liberation. The reverse counting from Rahu is because Rahu > > goes in reverse. Even when > > > > defining argala, Parasara asked to reckon argalas and virodha > > argalas based on houses from Rahu > > > > and Ketu in anti-zodiacal order. > > > > > > Principle 2 > > > > > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned > > from AmK in D-10 and the 10th > > > > star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC have an influence of > > the same planet and that > > > > planet is also associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one > > rises to a position of power and > > > > influence in one's work. We are basically looking for synergy > > between (a) the professional (D-10) > > > > effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit > > of work in one (AmK) and the > > > > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). > > > > > > I studied both these principles in several charts. I do not feel that > > I can do any justice towards testing the first principle, because, after > > all, who am I to pass a judgment about someone's spirituality and then > > check the validity of my presumptuous opinion in their charts?! However, > > I think I can do justice to testing the second principle that you > > propose because power and influence, especially power, that an > > individual wields is a tangible thing, and can be perceived by the > > outside World. > > > > > > You did provide 6 charts to support Principle 2. However, in my study > > I have come across quite a few charts where this principle does not > > work. Here are the examples of the charts where the principle does not > > work. Please note that I used Jagannatha Ayanamsa and mixed 7/8 chara > > karakas (as per your interpretation of Parasara). > > > > > > 1) Al Gore > > > > > > DoB: 03/31/1948 > > > ToB: 12:58 > > > PoB: 77W02, 38N54 > > > TZ: 5:00 Hrs. West of GMT > > > > > > AmK is Budha. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Shani and Rahu and > > is given rasi drishti by Shani and Surya. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the > > 10th nakshatra from Purvabhadra (occupied by AmK Budha) is Punarvasu. > > Punarvasu gets vedha from Budha, Guru, and Chandra. So, a common planet > > is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work > > in this chart of an American ex-vice president. > > > > > > 2) Abdul Kalam > > > > > > DoB: 10/15/1931 > > > ToB: 11:30 > > > PoB: 79E18, 9N17 > > > TZ: 5:30 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala and > > Ketu, and is occupied by Guru. Budha and Chandra give rasi drishti. In > > Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Visakha (occupied by AmK > > Mangala) is Satabhishaka. Satabhishaka gets vedha from Shukra. So, a > > common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle > > does not work in this chart of an Indian ex-president. > > > > > > 3) Benazir Bhutto > > > > > > DoB: 06/21/1953 > > > ToB: 20:16:03 > > > PoB: Karachi, Pakistan > > > TZ: 5 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > AmK is Shukra. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and is > > given rasi drishti by Surya, Shani, and Shukra. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, > > the 10th nakshatra from Bharani (occupied by AmK Shukra) is > > Purvaphalguni, which receives vedha from Ketu. So, a common planet is > > not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in > > this chart of a Pakistani ex-prime minister. > > > > > > 4) Boris Yeltsin > > > > > > DoB: 02/01/1931 > > > ToB: 17:00:00 > > > PoB: 63E47, 56N47 > > > TZ: 5 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Shani and occupied > > by Chandra and Ketu. Shani, Budha, and Mangala give rasi drishti. In > > Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Purvashadha (occupied by > > AmK Shani) is Aswini receiving vedha from Chandra. Hence, there is a > > common planet i.e. Chandra influencing these two hot spots. Let us see > > if Chandra influences trikona from Ghati Lagna in rasi. Chandra is in > > Vrishchika and GL is in Tula. Chandra, thus, does not associate in any > > way to GL or its trikonas. The principle does not work in this chart of > > a Russian ex-president. > > > > > > 5) Donald Rumsfeld > > > > > > DoB: 07/09/1932 > > > ToB: 17:40:00 > > > PoB: 87W39, 41N51 > > > TZ: 6 Hrs. West of GMT > > > > > > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Guru, and > > occupied by Shani. Budha gives rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, > > the 10th nakshatra from Rohini (occupied by AmK Mangala) is Hasta, which > > receives vedha from Shukra. So, a common planet is not influencing the > > first two hot spots. The principle does not work in this chart of an > > American ex-secretary of defense. > > > > > > 6) Dudley Senanyake > > > > > > DoB: 06/19/1911 > > > ToB: 12:15:51 > > > PoB: 79E51, 6N56 > > > TZ: 5:30 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and Guru, > > Chandra, Shani, Rahu, and Ketu give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra > > Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Bharani (occupied by AmK Shani) is > > Purvaphalguni, which receives drishti from Chandra. Hence, there is a > > common planet i.e. Chandra influencing these two hot spots. Let us see > > if Chandra influences trikona from Ghati Lagna in rasi. Chandra is in > > Kumbha and GL is in Kanya. Chandra, thus, does not associate in any way > > to GL or its trikonas. The principle does not work in this chart of a > > Sri Lankan ex-prime minister. > > > > > > 7) Gerald Ford Jr. > > > > > > DoB: 07/14/1913 > > > ToB: 0:41:00 > > > PoB: 96W01, 41N17 > > > TZ: 6 Hrs. West of GMT > > > > > > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned, and occupied by > > Shukra. Shani, Chandra, and Budha give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra > > Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Krittika (occupied by AmK Mangala) is > > Uttaraphalguni, which receives vedha from Surya. So, a common planet is > > not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in > > this chart of an American ex-president. > > > > > > 8) Henry Kissinger > > > > > > DoB: 05/27/1923 > > > ToB: 5:30:00 > > > PoB: Furth, Germany > > > TZ: 1:00 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and > > occupied by Guru. Shani, Shukra, and Chandra give rasi drishti. In > > Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Hasta (occupied by AmK > > Shani) is Abhijeet, which receives vedha from Surya, Budha, and Rahu. > > So, a common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The > > principle does not work in this chart of an American ex-secretary of > > state. > > > > > > Of course, I ran out of time to test this principle on *all* the > > charts of politicians that I have. Also, I cannot vouch for the accuracy > > of birth data that I have used. But I can say this - out of the 16 > > charts I tested, 8 validated the principle, and 8 did not. The ones that > > did validate the principle are: > > > > > > 1) Adolf Hitler > > > 2) Bill Bradley > > > 3) Condelizza Rice > > > 4) Dr. Murali Manohar Joshi > > > 5) Elizabeth Dole > > > 6) Franklin Delano Roosevelt > > > 7) Jayalalitha > > > 8) Abraham Lincoln > > > > > > So the success rate for me was 50%. It also got me thinking that > > perhaps we should use another varga instead of D-10? Say, D-5? D-5 > > specifically deals with power and authority as per my understanding. You > > have put forth two very interesting principles based on your research > > and blessed intuition. I hope you do write a follow-up to my question. > > > > > > Om Tat Sat > > > Reema. > > > > > > sohamsa , Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Rajarshi, > > > > > > > > (1) Of course not. This is just a conducive factor. It makes sense > > logically and it seems to work in several charts in which you would > > expect it to apply. That's all. > > > > > > > > I have no view on (2) and (3). Obviously, I do not have all answers. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot. > > > > > > > > What I shared is the tip of the iceberg, just like the planetary > > special lagna concepts that I illustrated using Ve7 as an example > > sometime back. > > > > > > > > There are so many reference points in charts, so many houses and so > > many nakshatras. If one applies oneself intelligently and tests using > > many examples, one can arrive at so many formulas using what I gave as a > > template. > > > > > > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned > > from AmK in D-10 and the 10th star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK > > in SBC have an influence of the same planet and that planet is also > > associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one rises to a position > > of power and influence in one's work. We are basically looking for > > synergy between (a) the professional (D-10) effort (6th) and (b) mental > > (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit of work in one (AmK) and the > > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). > > > > > > > > Nehru's AmK is Rahu. From Ardra containing Rahu, the 10th star > > counted anti-zodiacally is Satabhishak. In SBC, it has vedha from > > Mercury and Venus. In D-10, the 6th house from Li containing Rahu > > counted anti-zodiacally is Ta. Venus owns it. In rasi chart, Venus is > > the lord of GL and joins the lord of the 5th house from GL. > > > > > > > > Indira Gandhi's AmK is Venus. From Poorvashadha containing Venus, > > the 10th star is Aswini. In SBC, it has vedha from Mars and Jupiter. In > > D-10, the 6th house from Cn containing Venus is Sg. Jupiter owns it. In > > rasi chart, Jupiter is the 9th lord from GL. > > > > > > > > Rajiv Gandhi's AmK is Rahu. From Punarvasu containing Rahu, the 10th > > star counted anti-zodiacally is Poorvabhadra. In SBC, it has vedha from > > nodes and aspect from Mercury and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Pi > > containing Rahu counted anti-zodiacally is Li. Mars and Mercury aspect > > it from Ta. In rasi chart, Mervcury is the 9th lord from GL. > > > > > > > > PV Narasimha Rao's AmK is Venus. From Krittika containing Venus, the > > 10th star is Uttara Phalguni. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and > > aspect from Moon and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp containing > > Venus is Ge owned by Mercury and only Mercury aspects it. In rasi chart, > > Mercury is the dispositor of the 5th and 9th lords from GL and is with > > them, aspecting GL. > > > > > > > > Ronald Reagan's AmK is Sun. From Dhanishtha containing Sun, the 10th > > star is Mrigasira. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and aspect from > > Mars and Saturn. In D-10, the 6th house from Ar containing Sun is Vi > > owned and occupied by Mercury and only Mars aspects it from Pi. In rasi > > chart, Mercury and Mars are in GL and Mars owns the 5th from GL. > > > > > > > > George W Bush's AmK is Jupiter. From Chitra containing Jupiter, the > > 10th star is Sravana. In SBC, it has vedha from none but aspected by > > Mercury, Jupiter and Venus. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp containing > > Jupiter is Ge owned by Mercury and aspected by Venus from Sg. In rasi > > chart, Mercury and Venus are in the 9th house from GL. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Bottomline: > > > > > > > > One may be able to unearth many ways to combine nakshatra chakra > > (SBC), various divisional charts and rasi chart. What factor at the > > mental level (SBC), what factor at the level of a specific environment > > in life (i.e. a divisional chart, examples of various environments shown > > in various divisional charts are - professional in D-10, parental in > > D-12, educational in D-24, spiritual in D-20, financial in D-2 etc) and > > what factor at the physical level (rasi chart) need to have a synergy, > > in order to produce a specific result? > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Namaste Rajarshi and other young sadhakas-cum-Jyotishis, > > > > > > > > I want to humbly say a word on " research " . Please ignore my 2 cents > > if this makes no sense to you. > > > > > > > > I was quite passionate about Jyotish research several years back and > > used to spend a lot of time in research. I used to sleep at 3 am and get > > up at 6 am. I used to spend long hours formulating principles and > > testing them out on charts, changing JHora sometimes for it. After > > coming home from work, I used to spend as much time on astrology study > > and research, as I used to spend on my main profession during the day. > > > > > > > > After spiritual transformation in recent years, I stopped spending > > that much time. However, the productivity of my Jyotish research went > > up. Some ideas that struck to my mind at the end of nice meditation > > sessions turned out to be good and simply worked in several charts that > > I tried out later. > > > > > > > > If you surrender to god and rishis, you will receive whatever > > knowledge you need for your activities in this life. Have faith in god > > and rishis and surrender. Also, it is important to approach Jyotish > > knowledge with the spirit of a brahmana. Brahmana is one who cares about > > nothing other than knowledge and liberation. Kshatriya is one who cares > > about power, authority and control over others. Vaisya is one who cares > > about money. Do not look at your Jyotish knowledge as a means to have > > some control or authority over people and do not feel proud of your > > knowledge, like a kshatriya. Also, do not look at your Jyotish knowledge > > as a means to get money and try to increase your gains, like a vaishya. > > Be a true braahmana in the prusuit of Jyotish knowledge and surrender to > > god and rishis. Sky is the limit for you then. > > > > > > > > Of course, it is also possible then that you lose interest in > > Jyotish completely or partially and do not receive any or much Jyotish > > knowledge. But so be it. As I said, you will receive " whatever knowledge > > *you need* " . You don't know what you really need, but god does! Complete > > surrender means not asking for any specific thing and accepting whatever > > comes one's way! > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Reply to Mail 2 below: > > > > > > > > I am replying publicly while keeping your anonymity. > > > > > > > > 2. Yes, a blue light from a Shiva linga entered his mother when she > > was pregnant with him. She also had darshan of many celestial beings on > > a regular basis during her pregnancy, which stopped after the delivery. > > > > > > > > Actually, Vishnu told his father in the dream at Gaya that you refer > > to, that *he himself* would come as a son. > > > > > > > > There are different indications, but what Ramakrishna himself > > declared should be the final word. > > > > > > > > 4. When I meditate deeply after homam or in general, I sometimes go > > into a nice spiritual state. Though there was some desire to find some > > principle based on abhisheka nakshatra *before* meditation started, it > > completely vanished from my consciousness as meditation deepened and the > > regular self-awareness vanished too. Then I was in a nice spiritual > > state where the logical mind and intuitive mind were very very calm > > without much mental activity. When I was coming back to a state of > > normal self-awareness from such a state, I just became aware of a > > thought. It felt like it was someone's thought just flowing in the > > universe and I happened to be on the same wavelength and was able to > > observe it. > > > > > > > > I only said I prayed to Parasara and this formula was given to me. I > > did not say who gave it to me, because I do not know. But I express my > > gratitude to Parasara, as I had prayed to him before and then this > > thought came and moreover this principle is far more logical and far > > more accurate than anything I was able to synthesize using my rational > > and intuitive minds before. If one begged the king for money and > > suddenly found a bag of gold coins thrown into one's backyard by an > > unseen person, one will only thank the king. Especially if the coins > > seem to be made of real gold.. > > > > > > > > 5. I am glad you were thinking along those lines! It shows you have > > some really good samskaras guiding your instincts. You can ask Agni to > > carry an oblation of ghee to various deities and rishis, without a > > separate invocation. For example, if your gotra is Goutama, you can > > offer an oblation in the fire while saying " om gautamaaya svaahaa. > > gautamaayedam na mama " . Or, if you want to offer to Jupiter, you can > > offer an oblation in the fire while saying " om bR^ihaspataye svaahaa. > > bR^ihaspataya na mama " . You can do this after the main homam and before > > you start the final offerings to Agni, Vaayu, Surya, Prajapati, Vishnu > > and Shiva. > > > > > > > > If you want to specifically invoke, you can use the Ganesha > > invocation from Krishna homam or Shiva homam manual as the template and > > follow that procedure. Replace " oM gaM gaNapataye namaH " with " oM paM > > paraasharaaya namaH " or just " oM paraasharaaya namaH " or the verse for > > Parasara below. Irresepctive of the exact procedure you used, the keys > > to success are (a) the strength of belief that Parasara is there in fire > > and (b) respect and surrender for him. Use whatever procedure maximizes > > those aspects in you. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > > > Spirituality: > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , rajarshi nandy rajarshi14@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Narasimha, > > > > > > > > > > Very good work. > > > > > > > > > > I was trying this in some charts and most of them gave very > > accurate results. > > > > > > > > > > I have a few queries: > > > > > > > > > > 1) If both condition (a) and condition (b) get fulfilled, can we > > safely conclude that this person will attain to the highest spiritual > > experience of Moksha? > > > > > > > > > > 2) If only one condition is fulfilled, say the Vedha graha aspects > > the 12th from Ak in D20, but is not connected to 5th and/or 9th in rasi, > > or vice versa, can we conclude that the person is spiritual but may not > > reach the highest realization? > > > > > > > > > > 3) In case of no Vedha graha, does it indicate that this person > > cannot attain moksha in that life time? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot. > > > > > > > > > > -Regards > > > > > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > ------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Mail 2: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha, namaste & pranaams > > > > > > > > > > *The nature of this email is necessarily private. Do not quote > > this email > > > > > unless you feel some points/your reply to points would benefit a > > larger > > > > > section of society. Thanks in advance.* > > > > > > > > > > 1. I am so excited at your directly received revelation from > > Maharishi > > > > > Parasara! This indicates that vargas can be read as independent > > charts and > > > > > gives some valuable pointers as to how connections between rasi > > and vargas > > > > > can be synthesized. The tip of an iceberg is indicated here! > > > > > > > > > > 2. It is mentioned (I cannot cite the reference) that a blue light > > emanated > > > > > out of the Shiva Linga when Sri Ramakrishna's mother went to the > > temple and > > > > > the waves of the blue light passed into her. She felt as if she > > was pregnant > > > > > immediately. At the same time, Sri Ramakrishna's father had a > > dream at Gaya > > > > > that Vishnu would bless him with an illustrious progeny. > > > > > > > > > > 3. The statement of Sanjay cited by you below is at best an > > empirical > > > > > statement. It does not give any criteria as to how the judgement > > was arrived > > > > > at. > > > > > > > > > > 4. May I respectfully ask how you received the revelation? > > > > > > > > > > 5. Nowadays I am performing the Ganesha homam weekly. I had been > > toying with > > > > > the idea of whether to invoke Maharishis Parasara and Jaimini in > > the homam, > > > > > bow before them and seek their blessings for studying the jyotisa > > shastra. > > > > > You indirectly answered the unspoken desire! How may I invoke > > Maharishi > > > > > Jaimini in the homan? > > > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > > <name deleted> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/9/09, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ > > > > > Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra > > > > > sohamsa , vedic astrology , > > , sjcBoston , > > sjc-guru > > > > > Tuesday, 8 September, 2009, 5:22 AM > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sanjay and friends, > > > > > > > > > > In your book " Brihat Nakshatra " , you said regarding Ramakrishna > > Paramhamsa's chart: > > > > > > > > > > " In all my years of study and tens of thousands of charts, I have > > never come across anything as close to this chart which represents a > > perfect incarnation of Lord Shiva. " > > > > > > > > > > Then you went on to talk about the " specific " form of " Shiva " > > shown by the chart. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > However, this is inconsistent with what Ramakrishna himself > > revealed and religious authorities at his time opined. > > > > > > > > > > When Ramakrishna was on death bed with cancer, Narendra (Swami > > Vivekananda) once thought to himself, " I will accept his divinity if he > > declares his divinity *now*, inspite of this sickness and suffering. " As > > if he detected the thought, Ramakrishna said to Narendra, " you still > > have doubts? He who was Rama and Krishna before is in this body now. And > > I do not mean it in your vedantic sense! " > > > > > > > > > > By explicitly saying that he did not mean it in the vedantic sense > > and referring to " He who was Rama and Krishna before " , he clearly > > revealed that he was an incarnation of Lord Vishnu. Ramakrishna never > > spoke a lie and valued truthfulness highly. The words of the realized > > man in question himself must be more reliable than questionable and > > unreliable astrological principles. > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, a couple of great religious authorities of the time > > studied Ramakrishna Paramahamsa in his younger days when he was being > > trained by Bhairavi Brahmani and saw all behavioral signs and physical > > marks that confirmed to them that he was an incarnation of Vishnu. They > > declared him to be an incarnation of Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > Given these two facts, your conclusion cannot be correct. > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda was inherently a jnaani. He rejected Maayaa and even > > called Ramakrishna' s visions of various deities as hallucinations and > > plays of the mind. He only accepted the formless. Ramakrishna slowly > > created in him respect and love for Vishnu Maayaa that governs duality. > > Well, it takes one with purified Vishnu tattva to create respect and > > love for Vishnu Maayaa in one with raw Shiva tattva. Moreover, it was at > > the Shiva temple at Amarnath in Himalayas that Vivekananda finally > > realized his true nature. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > As Jupiter and Mercury are the natural guru and sishya and Jupiter > > is supposed to show Sadashiva and Mercury is supposed to show Vishnu, > > one may be tempted to theorize that Shiva is guru and Vishnu is sishya > > and attribute Shiva tattva to guru in a guru-sishya pair. However, that > > is no logic. Jupiter is not just Sadashiva, he is Jagannath too. Some of > > Vishnu's avataras have been the greatest gurus. Krishna is the ultimate > > jagadguru for his teaching of Bhagavad Gita, the greatest spiritual > > teaching ever. > > > > > > > > > > Also, take the example of another illustrious guru-sishya pair > > from a few millennia back - Govinda Bhagavatpada and Aadi Shankara. > > Govinda Bhagavatpada was a highly learned and elevated master. He too > > had several great sishyas. His main sishya Aadi Shankara is considered > > an incarnation of Lord Shiva and Govinda Bhagavatpada is considered to > > be of Vishnu tattwa. > > > > > > > > > > If one says that Govinda Bhagavatpada must have had an amsha of > > Shiva (Jupiter) because he was the guru and that Aadi Shankara must have > > had an amsha of Vishnu (Mercury) because he was the sishya, that would > > be no logic at all! Shiva himself said that he would be born as Aadi > > Shankara. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, given the parallels between the lives of Aadi Shankara > > and Vivekananda, it is possible that Vivekananda was a re-incarnation of > > Aadi Shankara. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - > > > > > Abhisheka Nakshatra Principle > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > You said in the same book that abhisheka nakshatra's lord (as per > > Vimsottari dasa lordship) being AK is the " first indication of a high > > level soul having incarnated " . You use the charts of Ramakrishna and > > Vivekananda and a questionable chart of Lord Krishna to justify it. > > > > > > > > > > However, there are many exampsles like Sarada Mata, Ramana > > Maharshi, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada and Swami > > Sivananda, which do not satisfy the criterion. All of them are > > definitely " high level souls having incarnated " . > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, it is questionable to have such an important formula > > based on " vimsottari lordships " , which is just a star-planet mapping for > > one specific dasa scheme among many, as taught by Parasara. Secondly, > > the space of Vimsottari lord of abhisheka nakshtra contains nine > > planets, while the space of chara karakas contains eight planets. A > > formula based on equating them is mixing up two unequal sets. That is > > illogical. Moreover, this formula fails in many examples and works in > > just two (third example is based on questionable data). Thus, it sounds > > like a formula constructed based on an observation which was made based > > on just 2-3 charts. > > > > > > > > > > Any genuine formula should work in a far higher percentage of > > applicable charts. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > I tried to find some reasonable and logical criterion based on > > abhisheka nakshatra to find initial indications of a potential for > > liberation, that works in all the charts I mentioned above. I was > > unsuccessful. Each formula works in some and fails in some. The example > > charts I chose are all unquestionably very high caliber spiritual > > people. > > > > > > > > > > After my failure, I bowed to Maharshi Parasara after a daily > > Chandi homam and prayed to him to kindly show me a criterion based on > > abhisheka nakshatra that works in a higher percentage of applicable > > charts. The formula that was given to me is this: " The abhisheka > > nakshatra - the 28th nakshatra - reckoned from chara aatma kaaraka has > > aspect or vedha in sarvatobhadra chakra (SBC) from a planet that is also > > associated with (a) the 12th house from chara aatma kaaraka in D-20 > > chart and (b) 5th or 9th house from lagna in rasi chart. If chara aatma > > kaaraka is Rahu, counting of the 28th star in SBC as well as counting of > > the 12th house in D-20 is in anti-zodiacal order. " > > > > > > > > > > The D-20 is the chart of spiritual progress. The 12th house from > > AK in it shows the liberation of individual soul as one progresses > > spiritually. Similarly, SBC is the chakra in the nakshatra space and > > abhisheka (28th) nakshatra from AK in it shows liberation of soul in the > > nakshatra space. Planet having an influence on both the factors supports > > spiritual liberation. The 5th and 9th from lagna show poorvapunya and > > bhagya. If the same planet influences all the three factors, that planet > > can suggest liberation. The reverse counting from Rahu is because Rahu > > goes in reverse. Even when defining argala, Parasara asked to reckon > > argalas and virodha argalas based on houses from Rahu and Ketu in > > anti-zodiacal order. > > > > > > > > > > Thus, we are finding a planetary influence that brings poorvapunya > > and bhagya (5th and 9th) to this specific existence (lagna) and promotes > > liberation (12th house/28th star) of individual soul (AK) in the > > conscious mental plane (SBC) and the plane of spiritual activity (D-20). > > > > > > > > > > Please note that this formula does not use Vimsottari dasa > > lordships. It uses nakshatra chakra (SBC) for nakshatras and D-20 for > > rasis. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > When the formula came to me, I tried it on the charts of > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Sarada Mata, Swami Vivekananda, Ramana > > Maharshi, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada, Swami > > Sivananda. It worked in all the charts. > > > > > > > > > > Sarada Mata's AK is Moon. He is in Uttara Phalguni. The 28th star > > from him is Poorva Phalguni. It has vedha only from Mars. In D-20, Moon > > is in Ta and the 12th lord from him is Mars. In rasi, Mars is the 5th > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s AK is Rahu. He is in Krittika. The 28th star from > > him counted anti-zodiacally is Rohini. It has vedha in SBC only from > > Saturn. In D-20, Rahu is in Cp and the 12th house counted > > anti-zodiacally is Aq. Saturn owns it. In rasi, Saturn occupies the 9th > > house. > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s AK is Sun. He is in Uttarashadha. The 28t star from > > him is Poorvashadha. It has vedha in SBC only from Moon and Saturn. In > > D-20, Sun is in Pi and Saturn is the 12th lord from him. In rasi, Saturn > > occupies the 9th house. > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharashi's AK is Moon. He is in Punarvasu. The 28th star > > from him is Ardra. It has vedha from Sun and Rahu and aspect from > > Jupiter in SBC. In D-20, Moon is in Aq and Jupiter and Rahu aspect Cp. > > In rasi, Jupiter occupies the 5th house. > > > > > > > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati's AK is Saturn. He is in Chitra. > > The 28th star from him is Hasta. It has vedha from Rahu and Ketu and > > aspect from Jupiter in SBC. In D-20, Saturn is in Cp and Jupiter owns > > the 12th while Rahu and Ketu aspect it. In rasi, Jupiter owns 5th and > > occupies 9th. > > > > > > > > > > Srila Prabhupada's AK is Rahu. He is in Dhanishtha. The 28th star > > from him is Satabhishak. It has no vedha in SBC, but Sun aspects it. In > > D-20, Rahu is in Sg. The 12th from him reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp > > and Sun aspects it. In rasi, Sun is the 9th lord. > > > > > > > > > > Swami Sivananda's AK is Sun. He is in Poorva Phalguni. The 28th > > star from him is Magha. It has vedha from Moon and Rahu in SBC and > > Saturn aspects it. In D-20, Sun is in Pi. The 12th from him is Aq. > > Saturn and Rahu own it and Moon aspects it. In rasi, Moon is lagna lord > > in 9th house. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > Maharshis who overcame the concept of Time and space-time > > continuum when living here in a body can bless us even after they leave > > earth. To those of you who do any kind of homam daily or weekly and want > > to surrender to Parasara and get some blessings from him, I suggest > > making 4 or 8 or 12 aahutis (oblations) of ghee at the beginning of > > uttaraangam while saying one of the following: > > > > > > > > > > daivavidbhyo varaM viGYaM shaktiputraM munIshvaraM > > > > > horaa shaastra pravaktaaraM paraasharaM namaamyahaM. svaahaa. > > paraasharaayedaM na mama. > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > om pam paraasharaaya namaH svaahaa. paraasharaayedaM na mama. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Biswa jee, I realize that, hence I had offered the 2nd paragraph to add clarity :-) I was not addressing the 6th from AmK observation by Rath ji, because it is not something that I have examined. There you would have to rely on Narasimha's earlier email with examples or test the rule yourself. Good luck in your investigations! RR_, vedic astrology , " biswa108 " <biswa1975 wrote: > > NAMASKAR > > Good sharing Rohiniji, > > 6th house definitely manifest some dharmik work, but I think it is different from " 6th from Amatyakaraka " which was taught in " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " as " seeing deities of PALAN KARTA taking care for financial livelihood and sustenance of family " . > > hope you appreciate my sharing too... > > best regards, > Biswajit > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Tenth being the strongest kendra and essentially a house that represents 'fructification' and concretization of Karma in a tangible and crystalline form, SIXTH which is tenth from ninth (Dharma, spirituality etc) perhaps may, generally speaking, represent the expression of the 9th in a tangible and concrete and visible form, Narasimha jee. Most individuals probably never go beyond the tangible, ritualistic, concrete form and expression of religion and spirituality. > > > > I am of course sharing what your posting made me think about and express and my words IN NO WAY must be taken as what Mr. Rath intended or whoever else meant to! > > > > From those two factors, namely, 10th being the strongest kendra and manifestation of karma, the SIXTH may indeed hold some important clues as to what the NINTH represents or manifests as! > > > > We would have to examine the sixth more carefully, of course! > > > > Ranjan > > > > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > Pt Rath wrote: > > > > > > > So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose and has > > > > ... It is another place for seeing God, spirituality > > > > > > Seeing " spirituality " from the 6th house from AmK is a new idea introduced by Pt Rath and one without any demonstrated basis. It even contradicts his previous teachings that the 6th house from AmK shows material sustenance and shows a deity ( " paalana devata " ) that takes care of one's livelihood and sustenance. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Pt Rath introduced a new principle based on it: > > > > > > > Try this - If a strong planet is in the 6th house from Amatyakaraka in > > > > dashamsha, then the native will also do some good work in the spiritual > > > > path. This would be a more apt way of sayng things > > > > > > Elvis Presley had Mars in own sign in the 6th house from AmK Jupiter, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a good man and a great entertainer, but he hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . > > > > > > Ronald Reagan had exalted Mercury in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a religious man, but he hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . He was an actor and a successful political leader. > > > > > > Woody Allen has Saturn in an adhimitra rasi in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He is a famous and intelligent showman, but hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . > > > > > > Ramakrishna Dalmiya had exalted Ketu in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a smart and controversial businessman, but he hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . > > > > > > On the other hand, some people who devoted their lives to spiritual path and " did some good work " , such as Swami Vivekananda, Sarada Mata and Paramahamsa Yogananda, had no planets in the 6th house from AmK in D-10. > > > > > > The new principle from Pt Rath neither works nor makes logical sense. Fundamentally, why see " spirituality " from the 6th house from Amk? > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Pt Rath wrote: > > > > > > > So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose and has > > > > *nothingto do with power and position* > > > > > > I never said the 6th from AmK shows " power and position " . This is a misinterpretation of my words. When I suggested a principle by linking three parameters, this is what I wrote on each of the parameters in the original quoted mail: > > > > > > " We are basically looking for synergy between (a) the professional (D-10) effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star), of the spirit of work in one (AmK), and the blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). " > > > > > > Amatya Karaka (AmK) represents the spirit of work in one. The 6th house (overcoming obstacles) from him shows how one puts in effort to overcome obstacles. I did not say it shows power and posititon. We are looking for synergy between these parameters by way of common influences: > > > > > > (1) The 6th house from AmK in D-10: Effort put in by the spirit of work in one in one's profession > > > (2) The 10th star from AmK in SBC: Mental activity of the spirit of work in one > > > (3) The trines from GL: The power and position one is blessed with at the physical level > > > > > > I found that a lot of successful people have a common influence on these parameters and so shared it. But I never said 6th from AmK shows " power " . > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Reema wrote: > > > > > > > 2) A more fundamental question is why is Palana Devata seen from the > > > > 6th? It relates to matters of sustenance. Then, why not 2nd from AmK? > > > > > > Good question! > > > > > > I suggest putting aside the notion that the 6th house from AmK governs " sustenance " and " livelihood " , as taught by Pt Rath in the past, and taking a fresh look at the matter. Given that Pt Rath now claims it shows " spirituality " suggests that he too is perhaps taking a fresh look! Then why should others be bogged down by his previous teachings? > > > > > > Parasara talked about seeing deities from the 12th house from AK and the 6th house from AmK. Parasara said well-placed Ketu with benefic influences in the 12th house from AK shows saayujya, moksha etc (different levels of liberation from the limited I-ness that we normally have). In general, he gave the idea that 12th from AK has to do with spiritual evolution and liberation and associated different deities with different planetary influences. > > > > > > But he did not say what to see from the 6th from AmK and it is upto us to understand it! We have some clues. For example, Parasara said AK is like the king if a native's personality is a kingdom. And we know that " amaatya " means minister. We also know that Amatya Karaka was associated with career by many scholars in the past. > > > > > > I will share *my* opinion on what AmK stands for, based on my studies, contemplation and research. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > AK shows Self or one's sense of I-ness (sense of " this is I " ). If a nativity is compared to a kingdom, then it makes sense to compare AK to the king as Parasara did. The I-ness is the ultimate controller of an individualized consciousness. The 12th house of loss or giving up from AK shows giving up I-ness and being liberated. No wonder Parasara used it in combinations involving saayujya, moksha etc. > > > > > > If one's existence as a being separate from Aatman/Brahman is analogous to a kingdom and the sense of self or I-ness is analogous to the king of that kingdom, then what is analogous to the minister? The sense of purpose or the sense of " this is the work I must accomplish " must be be analogous to the minister counseling the king. One's sense of purpose in life actively counsels one's I-ness to get various things done. > > > > > > Thus, I suggest that AmK shows one's sense of purpose in life or the sense that " this is the work I must accomplish " . > > > > > > As the sense of purpose guides and influences the work that people do, no wonder many scholars associated AmK with profession in the past. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > When you look at things from the perspective of one's sense of purpose in life, the 2nd house of resources and food is also important as it shows what feeds one's sense of purpose in life. However, the 6th house is the most important as it shows the challenges and how they are overcome, to one's sense of purpose. The 6th house from AmK does not exactly show one's livelihood and material sustenance, but how one overcomes challenges to one's inner sense of purpose in life - what one views as " this is what I need to do " . > > > > > > The deity associated with the 6th from AmK enables one to overcome challenges and fulfil one's sense of purpose in life. The deity associated with the 12th from AK enables one to overcome I-ness and merge with god. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > I replied to Reema's orginal mail of counter-examples in > > > > > > JyotishWritings/message/16 > > > > > > and explained how I reckon the 6th house from AmK in D-10. Most of the counter-examples were not really counter-examples as AmK was way too advanced in the sign and the 6th house extended way into the next sign compared to what Reema took. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > > Spirituality: > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 11/12/09, reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh@> wrote: > > > > > > reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh@> > > > Fwd: Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra > > > pvr108@ > > > Thursday, November 12, 2009, 11:12 AM > > > > > > sohamsa , " reema_sriganesh " <reema_sriganesh@> wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krushna || > > > > > > Namaskaar Sanjay Ji, > > > > > > Thank you for raising a pertinent question. I guess I should have asked > > > that, too, before checking the validity of this principle on charts. I > > > would be very interested to hear Narasimha Ji's reasoning as to why he > > > takes 6th from AmK to see power and influence. > > > > > > > Next why the 6th house? It is because of the dictum *amatyadaase > > > chaivaM* which means > > > > we need to look at the 6th house from AmK ...forwhat? This has > > > reference to the previous > > > > sutra of Jaimini which relates to Istadevata. So, the 6th from AmK is > > > seen for spirituality > > > > purpose and has *nothingto do with power and position* > > > > > > Yes, I am aware of the SJC teaching of seeing Palana Devata - more > > > specifically, a Devi form - from the 6th from AmK in Navamsa. I have > > > two questions, here: > > > > > > 1) What does 6th from AmK have to do with spirituality? I mean, for a > > > spiritual person his/her palana is a manifestation of Devata's blessing. > > > I get that. But beyond this, how does Palana Devata lead one to be more > > > spiritual? > > > > > > 2) A more fundamental question is why is Palana Devata seen from the > > > 6th? It relates to matters of sustenance. Then, why not 2nd from AmK? > > > > > > Om Tat Sat > > > Reema. > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > om gurave namah > > > > > > > > Dear Reema > > > > > > > > Before I begin, I want to show my appreciation for your sincere > > > effort. First let us understand the principle concerned - Principle 2 is > > > what is being examined by you, so I will stick to that. > > > > > > > > The statement is - > > > > > > > > Principle 2: PVR > > > > > > > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned > > > from AmK in D-10 and the 10th > > > > > > > > > star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC have an influence of > > > the same planet and that > > > > > > > > > planet is also associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one > > > rises to a position of power and > > > > > > > > > influence in one's work. We are basically looking for synergy > > > between (a) the professional (D-10) > > > > > > > > > effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit > > > of work in one (AmK) and the > > > > > > > > > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). > > > > > > > > POINT 1: In order to understand, we need to address the following - > > > why are we looking at the 6th house from Amatyakaraka? AmK related to > > > profession is something I have been *propagating* and can be stated as > > > another of *Rath's own teachings*. So, this statement means that, to a > > > limited extent my teaching/Puri teaching, is being accepted. Fine > > > > > > > > Next why the 6th house? It is because of the dictum *amatya daase > > > chaivaM* which means we need to look at the 6th house from AmK ...for > > > what? This has reference to the previous sutra of Jaimini which relates > > > to Ista devata. So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose > > > and has *nothing to do with power and position* > > > > > > > > On this ground, I reject the principle as it lacks understanding of > > > the basic rules and the upadesha of Jaimini has been grossly > > > misinterpreted. Even Pasashara does not ask us to see the 6th house from > > > AmK for power, so why should we do it? > > > > > > > > POINT 2: Karma Nakshatra is a well known point and this is nothing > > > new. Whether one is using the 28 star system or the 27 star system, this > > > nakshatra will always play a powerful role in life and will dicate Karma > > > (work). More details can be had from Brihat nakshatra Book. > > > > > > > > POINT 3: Trines to Ghatika Lagna is an attempt to hide the standard - > > > 1,5,7,9 house. In fact real power is in the 5th from ghatika lagna. > > > > > > > > ...we can have so many other things from Vedic Astrology and then try > > > to put them together and create multiple rules. > > > > > > > > ............. MY VIEW............ > > > > > > > > Reema, I never look for rules. There are millions of them in Vedic > > > Astrology.I look for principles underlying the rules andthis is what I > > > teach all the time. If one tries to mug up rules, they will fail whereas > > > the principles will always stand and help as they are based on > > > understanding and not just memory. > > > > > > > > Finally, please DO NOT look at 6th house Amatya Karaka for power. This > > > is preposterous idea. It is another place for seeing God, spirituality > > > and not power. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try this - If a strong planet is in the 6th house from Amatyakaraka in > > > dashamsha, then the native will also do some good work in the spiritual > > > path. This would be a more apt way of sayng things > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > > > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 > > > 8762 > > > > > > > > Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books: > > > www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On > > > Behalf Of reema_sriganesh > > > > 10 November 2009 20:26 > > > > sohamsa > > > > Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krushna || > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Narasimha Ji, > > > > > > > > I was catching up with the old emails on Sohamsa, and I came across > > > your messages elucidating the following two principles: > > > > > > > > Principle 1 > > > > > > > > > The D-20 is the chart of spiritual progress. The 12th house from AK > > > in it shows the liberation of > > > > > individual soul as one progresses spiritually. Similarly, SBC is the > > > chakra in the nakshatra space and > > > > > abhisheka (28th) nakshatra from AK in it shows liberation of soul in > > > the nakshatra space. Planet > > > > > having an influence on both the factors supports spiritual > > > liberation. The 5th and 9th from lagna > > > > > show poorvapunya and bhagya. If the same planet influences all the > > > three factors, that planet can > > > > > suggest liberation. The reverse counting from Rahu is because Rahu > > > goes in reverse. Even when > > > > > defining argala, Parasara asked to reckon argalas and virodha > > > argalas based on houses from Rahu > > > > > and Ketu in anti-zodiacal order. > > > > > > > > Principle 2 > > > > > > > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned > > > from AmK in D-10 and the 10th > > > > > star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC have an influence of > > > the same planet and that > > > > > planet is also associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one > > > rises to a position of power and > > > > > influence in one's work. We are basically looking for synergy > > > between (a) the professional (D-10) > > > > > effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit > > > of work in one (AmK) and the > > > > > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). > > > > > > > > I studied both these principles in several charts. I do not feel that > > > I can do any justice towards testing the first principle, because, after > > > all, who am I to pass a judgment about someone's spirituality and then > > > check the validity of my presumptuous opinion in their charts?! However, > > > I think I can do justice to testing the second principle that you > > > propose because power and influence, especially power, that an > > > individual wields is a tangible thing, and can be perceived by the > > > outside World. > > > > > > > > You did provide 6 charts to support Principle 2. However, in my study > > > I have come across quite a few charts where this principle does not > > > work. Here are the examples of the charts where the principle does not > > > work. Please note that I used Jagannatha Ayanamsa and mixed 7/8 chara > > > karakas (as per your interpretation of Parasara). > > > > > > > > 1) Al Gore > > > > > > > > DoB: 03/31/1948 > > > > ToB: 12:58 > > > > PoB: 77W02, 38N54 > > > > TZ: 5:00 Hrs. West of GMT > > > > > > > > AmK is Budha. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Shani and Rahu and > > > is given rasi drishti by Shani and Surya. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the > > > 10th nakshatra from Purvabhadra (occupied by AmK Budha) is Punarvasu. > > > Punarvasu gets vedha from Budha, Guru, and Chandra. So, a common planet > > > is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work > > > in this chart of an American ex-vice president. > > > > > > > > 2) Abdul Kalam > > > > > > > > DoB: 10/15/1931 > > > > ToB: 11:30 > > > > PoB: 79E18, 9N17 > > > > TZ: 5:30 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala and > > > Ketu, and is occupied by Guru. Budha and Chandra give rasi drishti. In > > > Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Visakha (occupied by AmK > > > Mangala) is Satabhishaka. Satabhishaka gets vedha from Shukra. So, a > > > common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle > > > does not work in this chart of an Indian ex-president. > > > > > > > > 3) Benazir Bhutto > > > > > > > > DoB: 06/21/1953 > > > > ToB: 20:16:03 > > > > PoB: Karachi, Pakistan > > > > TZ: 5 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > AmK is Shukra. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and is > > > given rasi drishti by Surya, Shani, and Shukra. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, > > > the 10th nakshatra from Bharani (occupied by AmK Shukra) is > > > Purvaphalguni, which receives vedha from Ketu. So, a common planet is > > > not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in > > > this chart of a Pakistani ex-prime minister. > > > > > > > > 4) Boris Yeltsin > > > > > > > > DoB: 02/01/1931 > > > > ToB: 17:00:00 > > > > PoB: 63E47, 56N47 > > > > TZ: 5 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Shani and occupied > > > by Chandra and Ketu. Shani, Budha, and Mangala give rasi drishti. In > > > Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Purvashadha (occupied by > > > AmK Shani) is Aswini receiving vedha from Chandra. Hence, there is a > > > common planet i.e. Chandra influencing these two hot spots. Let us see > > > if Chandra influences trikona from Ghati Lagna in rasi. Chandra is in > > > Vrishchika and GL is in Tula. Chandra, thus, does not associate in any > > > way to GL or its trikonas. The principle does not work in this chart of > > > a Russian ex-president. > > > > > > > > 5) Donald Rumsfeld > > > > > > > > DoB: 07/09/1932 > > > > ToB: 17:40:00 > > > > PoB: 87W39, 41N51 > > > > TZ: 6 Hrs. West of GMT > > > > > > > > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Guru, and > > > occupied by Shani. Budha gives rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, > > > the 10th nakshatra from Rohini (occupied by AmK Mangala) is Hasta, which > > > receives vedha from Shukra. So, a common planet is not influencing the > > > first two hot spots. The principle does not work in this chart of an > > > American ex-secretary of defense. > > > > > > > > 6) Dudley Senanyake > > > > > > > > DoB: 06/19/1911 > > > > ToB: 12:15:51 > > > > PoB: 79E51, 6N56 > > > > TZ: 5:30 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and Guru, > > > Chandra, Shani, Rahu, and Ketu give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra > > > Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Bharani (occupied by AmK Shani) is > > > Purvaphalguni, which receives drishti from Chandra. Hence, there is a > > > common planet i.e. Chandra influencing these two hot spots. Let us see > > > if Chandra influences trikona from Ghati Lagna in rasi. Chandra is in > > > Kumbha and GL is in Kanya. Chandra, thus, does not associate in any way > > > to GL or its trikonas. The principle does not work in this chart of a > > > Sri Lankan ex-prime minister. > > > > > > > > 7) Gerald Ford Jr. > > > > > > > > DoB: 07/14/1913 > > > > ToB: 0:41:00 > > > > PoB: 96W01, 41N17 > > > > TZ: 6 Hrs. West of GMT > > > > > > > > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned, and occupied by > > > Shukra. Shani, Chandra, and Budha give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra > > > Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Krittika (occupied by AmK Mangala) is > > > Uttaraphalguni, which receives vedha from Surya. So, a common planet is > > > not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in > > > this chart of an American ex-president. > > > > > > > > 8) Henry Kissinger > > > > > > > > DoB: 05/27/1923 > > > > ToB: 5:30:00 > > > > PoB: Furth, Germany > > > > TZ: 1:00 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and > > > occupied by Guru. Shani, Shukra, and Chandra give rasi drishti. In > > > Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Hasta (occupied by AmK > > > Shani) is Abhijeet, which receives vedha from Surya, Budha, and Rahu. > > > So, a common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The > > > principle does not work in this chart of an American ex-secretary of > > > state. > > > > > > > > Of course, I ran out of time to test this principle on *all* the > > > charts of politicians that I have. Also, I cannot vouch for the accuracy > > > of birth data that I have used. But I can say this - out of the 16 > > > charts I tested, 8 validated the principle, and 8 did not. The ones that > > > did validate the principle are: > > > > > > > > 1) Adolf Hitler > > > > 2) Bill Bradley > > > > 3) Condelizza Rice > > > > 4) Dr. Murali Manohar Joshi > > > > 5) Elizabeth Dole > > > > 6) Franklin Delano Roosevelt > > > > 7) Jayalalitha > > > > 8) Abraham Lincoln > > > > > > > > So the success rate for me was 50%. It also got me thinking that > > > perhaps we should use another varga instead of D-10? Say, D-5? D-5 > > > specifically deals with power and authority as per my understanding. You > > > have put forth two very interesting principles based on your research > > > and blessed intuition. I hope you do write a follow-up to my question. > > > > > > > > Om Tat Sat > > > > Reema. > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rajarshi, > > > > > > > > > > (1) Of course not. This is just a conducive factor. It makes sense > > > logically and it seems to work in several charts in which you would > > > expect it to apply. That's all. > > > > > > > > > > I have no view on (2) and (3). Obviously, I do not have all answers. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot. > > > > > > > > > > What I shared is the tip of the iceberg, just like the planetary > > > special lagna concepts that I illustrated using Ve7 as an example > > > sometime back. > > > > > > > > > > There are so many reference points in charts, so many houses and so > > > many nakshatras. If one applies oneself intelligently and tests using > > > many examples, one can arrive at so many formulas using what I gave as a > > > template. > > > > > > > > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned > > > from AmK in D-10 and the 10th star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK > > > in SBC have an influence of the same planet and that planet is also > > > associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one rises to a position > > > of power and influence in one's work. We are basically looking for > > > synergy between (a) the professional (D-10) effort (6th) and (b) mental > > > (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit of work in one (AmK) and the > > > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). > > > > > > > > > > Nehru's AmK is Rahu. From Ardra containing Rahu, the 10th star > > > counted anti-zodiacally is Satabhishak. In SBC, it has vedha from > > > Mercury and Venus. In D-10, the 6th house from Li containing Rahu > > > counted anti-zodiacally is Ta. Venus owns it. In rasi chart, Venus is > > > the lord of GL and joins the lord of the 5th house from GL. > > > > > > > > > > Indira Gandhi's AmK is Venus. From Poorvashadha containing Venus, > > > the 10th star is Aswini. In SBC, it has vedha from Mars and Jupiter. In > > > D-10, the 6th house from Cn containing Venus is Sg. Jupiter owns it. In > > > rasi chart, Jupiter is the 9th lord from GL. > > > > > > > > > > Rajiv Gandhi's AmK is Rahu. From Punarvasu containing Rahu, the 10th > > > star counted anti-zodiacally is Poorvabhadra. In SBC, it has vedha from > > > nodes and aspect from Mercury and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Pi > > > containing Rahu counted anti-zodiacally is Li. Mars and Mercury aspect > > > it from Ta. In rasi chart, Mervcury is the 9th lord from GL. > > > > > > > > > > PV Narasimha Rao's AmK is Venus. From Krittika containing Venus, the > > > 10th star is Uttara Phalguni. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and > > > aspect from Moon and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp containing > > > Venus is Ge owned by Mercury and only Mercury aspects it. In rasi chart, > > > Mercury is the dispositor of the 5th and 9th lords from GL and is with > > > them, aspecting GL. > > > > > > > > > > Ronald Reagan's AmK is Sun. From Dhanishtha containing Sun, the 10th > > > star is Mrigasira. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and aspect from > > > Mars and Saturn. In D-10, the 6th house from Ar containing Sun is Vi > > > owned and occupied by Mercury and only Mars aspects it from Pi. In rasi > > > chart, Mercury and Mars are in GL and Mars owns the 5th from GL. > > > > > > > > > > George W Bush's AmK is Jupiter. From Chitra containing Jupiter, the > > > 10th star is Sravana. In SBC, it has vedha from none but aspected by > > > Mercury, Jupiter and Venus. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp containing > > > Jupiter is Ge owned by Mercury and aspected by Venus from Sg. In rasi > > > chart, Mercury and Venus are in the 9th house from GL. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > Bottomline: > > > > > > > > > > One may be able to unearth many ways to combine nakshatra chakra > > > (SBC), various divisional charts and rasi chart. What factor at the > > > mental level (SBC), what factor at the level of a specific environment > > > in life (i.e. a divisional chart, examples of various environments shown > > > in various divisional charts are - professional in D-10, parental in > > > D-12, educational in D-24, spiritual in D-20, financial in D-2 etc) and > > > what factor at the physical level (rasi chart) need to have a synergy, > > > in order to produce a specific result? > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rajarshi and other young sadhakas-cum-Jyotishis, > > > > > > > > > > I want to humbly say a word on " research " . Please ignore my 2 cents > > > if this makes no sense to you. > > > > > > > > > > I was quite passionate about Jyotish research several years back and > > > used to spend a lot of time in research. I used to sleep at 3 am and get > > > up at 6 am. I used to spend long hours formulating principles and > > > testing them out on charts, changing JHora sometimes for it. After > > > coming home from work, I used to spend as much time on astrology study > > > and research, as I used to spend on my main profession during the day. > > > > > > > > > > After spiritual transformation in recent years, I stopped spending > > > that much time. However, the productivity of my Jyotish research went > > > up. Some ideas that struck to my mind at the end of nice meditation > > > sessions turned out to be good and simply worked in several charts that > > > I tried out later. > > > > > > > > > > If you surrender to god and rishis, you will receive whatever > > > knowledge you need for your activities in this life. Have faith in god > > > and rishis and surrender. Also, it is important to approach Jyotish > > > knowledge with the spirit of a brahmana. Brahmana is one who cares about > > > nothing other than knowledge and liberation. Kshatriya is one who cares > > > about power, authority and control over others. Vaisya is one who cares > > > about money. Do not look at your Jyotish knowledge as a means to have > > > some control or authority over people and do not feel proud of your > > > knowledge, like a kshatriya. Also, do not look at your Jyotish knowledge > > > as a means to get money and try to increase your gains, like a vaishya. > > > Be a true braahmana in the prusuit of Jyotish knowledge and surrender to > > > god and rishis. Sky is the limit for you then. > > > > > > > > > > Of course, it is also possible then that you lose interest in > > > Jyotish completely or partially and do not receive any or much Jyotish > > > knowledge. But so be it. As I said, you will receive " whatever knowledge > > > *you need* " . You don't know what you really need, but god does! Complete > > > surrender means not asking for any specific thing and accepting whatever > > > comes one's way! > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > Reply to Mail 2 below: > > > > > > > > > > I am replying publicly while keeping your anonymity. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Yes, a blue light from a Shiva linga entered his mother when she > > > was pregnant with him. She also had darshan of many celestial beings on > > > a regular basis during her pregnancy, which stopped after the delivery. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, Vishnu told his father in the dream at Gaya that you refer > > > to, that *he himself* would come as a son. > > > > > > > > > > There are different indications, but what Ramakrishna himself > > > declared should be the final word. > > > > > > > > > > 4. When I meditate deeply after homam or in general, I sometimes go > > > into a nice spiritual state. Though there was some desire to find some > > > principle based on abhisheka nakshatra *before* meditation started, it > > > completely vanished from my consciousness as meditation deepened and the > > > regular self-awareness vanished too. Then I was in a nice spiritual > > > state where the logical mind and intuitive mind were very very calm > > > without much mental activity. When I was coming back to a state of > > > normal self-awareness from such a state, I just became aware of a > > > thought. It felt like it was someone's thought just flowing in the > > > universe and I happened to be on the same wavelength and was able to > > > observe it. > > > > > > > > > > I only said I prayed to Parasara and this formula was given to me. I > > > did not say who gave it to me, because I do not know. But I express my > > > gratitude to Parasara, as I had prayed to him before and then this > > > thought came and moreover this principle is far more logical and far > > > more accurate than anything I was able to synthesize using my rational > > > and intuitive minds before. If one begged the king for money and > > > suddenly found a bag of gold coins thrown into one's backyard by an > > > unseen person, one will only thank the king. Especially if the coins > > > seem to be made of real gold.. > > > > > > > > > > 5. I am glad you were thinking along those lines! It shows you have > > > some really good samskaras guiding your instincts. You can ask Agni to > > > carry an oblation of ghee to various deities and rishis, without a > > > separate invocation. For example, if your gotra is Goutama, you can > > > offer an oblation in the fire while saying " om gautamaaya svaahaa. > > > gautamaayedam na mama " . Or, if you want to offer to Jupiter, you can > > > offer an oblation in the fire while saying " om bR^ihaspataye svaahaa. > > > bR^ihaspataya na mama " . You can do this after the main homam and before > > > you start the final offerings to Agni, Vaayu, Surya, Prajapati, Vishnu > > > and Shiva. > > > > > > > > > > If you want to specifically invoke, you can use the Ganesha > > > invocation from Krishna homam or Shiva homam manual as the template and > > > follow that procedure. Replace " oM gaM gaNapataye namaH " with " oM paM > > > paraasharaaya namaH " or just " oM paraasharaaya namaH " or the verse for > > > Parasara below. Irresepctive of the exact procedure you used, the keys > > > to success are (a) the strength of belief that Parasara is there in fire > > > and (b) respect and surrender for him. Use whatever procedure maximizes > > > those aspects in you. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > > > > Spirituality: > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , rajarshi nandy rajarshi14@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Narasimha, > > > > > > > > > > > > Very good work. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was trying this in some charts and most of them gave very > > > accurate results. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a few queries: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If both condition (a) and condition (b) get fulfilled, can we > > > safely conclude that this person will attain to the highest spiritual > > > experience of Moksha? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) If only one condition is fulfilled, say the Vedha graha aspects > > > the 12th from Ak in D20, but is not connected to 5th and/or 9th in rasi, > > > or vice versa, can we conclude that the person is spiritual but may not > > > reach the highest realization? > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) In case of no Vedha graha, does it indicate that this person > > > cannot attain moksha in that life time? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Regards > > > > > > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail 2: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha, namaste & pranaams > > > > > > > > > > > > *The nature of this email is necessarily private. Do not quote > > > this email > > > > > > unless you feel some points/your reply to points would benefit a > > > larger > > > > > > section of society. Thanks in advance.* > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. I am so excited at your directly received revelation from > > > Maharishi > > > > > > Parasara! This indicates that vargas can be read as independent > > > charts and > > > > > > gives some valuable pointers as to how connections between rasi > > > and vargas > > > > > > can be synthesized. The tip of an iceberg is indicated here! > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. It is mentioned (I cannot cite the reference) that a blue light > > > emanated > > > > > > out of the Shiva Linga when Sri Ramakrishna's mother went to the > > > temple and > > > > > > the waves of the blue light passed into her. She felt as if she > > > was pregnant > > > > > > immediately. At the same time, Sri Ramakrishna's father had a > > > dream at Gaya > > > > > > that Vishnu would bless him with an illustrious progeny. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. The statement of Sanjay cited by you below is at best an > > > empirical > > > > > > statement. It does not give any criteria as to how the judgement > > > was arrived > > > > > > at. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. May I respectfully ask how you received the revelation? > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Nowadays I am performing the Ganesha homam weekly. I had been > > > toying with > > > > > > the idea of whether to invoke Maharishis Parasara and Jaimini in > > > the homam, > > > > > > bow before them and seek their blessings for studying the jyotisa > > > shastra. > > > > > > You indirectly answered the unspoken desire! How may I invoke > > > Maharishi > > > > > > Jaimini in the homan? > > > > > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > <name deleted> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/9/09, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ > > > > > > Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra > > > > > > sohamsa , vedic astrology , > > > , sjcBoston , > > > sjc-guru > > > > > > Tuesday, 8 September, 2009, 5:22 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sanjay and friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > In your book " Brihat Nakshatra " , you said regarding Ramakrishna > > > Paramhamsa's chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > " In all my years of study and tens of thousands of charts, I have > > > never come across anything as close to this chart which represents a > > > perfect incarnation of Lord Shiva. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Then you went on to talk about the " specific " form of " Shiva " > > > shown by the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > However, this is inconsistent with what Ramakrishna himself > > > revealed and religious authorities at his time opined. > > > > > > > > > > > > When Ramakrishna was on death bed with cancer, Narendra (Swami > > > Vivekananda) once thought to himself, " I will accept his divinity if he > > > declares his divinity *now*, inspite of this sickness and suffering. " As > > > if he detected the thought, Ramakrishna said to Narendra, " you still > > > have doubts? He who was Rama and Krishna before is in this body now. And > > > I do not mean it in your vedantic sense! " > > > > > > > > > > > > By explicitly saying that he did not mean it in the vedantic sense > > > and referring to " He who was Rama and Krishna before " , he clearly > > > revealed that he was an incarnation of Lord Vishnu. Ramakrishna never > > > spoke a lie and valued truthfulness highly. The words of the realized > > > man in question himself must be more reliable than questionable and > > > unreliable astrological principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, a couple of great religious authorities of the time > > > studied Ramakrishna Paramahamsa in his younger days when he was being > > > trained by Bhairavi Brahmani and saw all behavioral signs and physical > > > marks that confirmed to them that he was an incarnation of Vishnu. They > > > declared him to be an incarnation of Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Given these two facts, your conclusion cannot be correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda was inherently a jnaani. He rejected Maayaa and even > > > called Ramakrishna' s visions of various deities as hallucinations and > > > plays of the mind. He only accepted the formless. Ramakrishna slowly > > > created in him respect and love for Vishnu Maayaa that governs duality. > > > Well, it takes one with purified Vishnu tattva to create respect and > > > love for Vishnu Maayaa in one with raw Shiva tattva. Moreover, it was at > > > the Shiva temple at Amarnath in Himalayas that Vivekananda finally > > > realized his true nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > As Jupiter and Mercury are the natural guru and sishya and Jupiter > > > is supposed to show Sadashiva and Mercury is supposed to show Vishnu, > > > one may be tempted to theorize that Shiva is guru and Vishnu is sishya > > > and attribute Shiva tattva to guru in a guru-sishya pair. However, that > > > is no logic. Jupiter is not just Sadashiva, he is Jagannath too. Some of > > > Vishnu's avataras have been the greatest gurus. Krishna is the ultimate > > > jagadguru for his teaching of Bhagavad Gita, the greatest spiritual > > > teaching ever. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, take the example of another illustrious guru-sishya pair > > > from a few millennia back - Govinda Bhagavatpada and Aadi Shankara. > > > Govinda Bhagavatpada was a highly learned and elevated master. He too > > > had several great sishyas. His main sishya Aadi Shankara is considered > > > an incarnation of Lord Shiva and Govinda Bhagavatpada is considered to > > > be of Vishnu tattwa. > > > > > > > > > > > > If one says that Govinda Bhagavatpada must have had an amsha of > > > Shiva (Jupiter) because he was the guru and that Aadi Shankara must have > > > had an amsha of Vishnu (Mercury) because he was the sishya, that would > > > be no logic at all! Shiva himself said that he would be born as Aadi > > > Shankara. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, given the parallels between the lives of Aadi Shankara > > > and Vivekananda, it is possible that Vivekananda was a re-incarnation of > > > Aadi Shankara. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - > > > > > > Abhisheka Nakshatra Principle > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > You said in the same book that abhisheka nakshatra's lord (as per > > > Vimsottari dasa lordship) being AK is the " first indication of a high > > > level soul having incarnated " . You use the charts of Ramakrishna and > > > Vivekananda and a questionable chart of Lord Krishna to justify it. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there are many exampsles like Sarada Mata, Ramana > > > Maharshi, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada and Swami > > > Sivananda, which do not satisfy the criterion. All of them are > > > definitely " high level souls having incarnated " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, it is questionable to have such an important formula > > > based on " vimsottari lordships " , which is just a star-planet mapping for > > > one specific dasa scheme among many, as taught by Parasara. Secondly, > > > the space of Vimsottari lord of abhisheka nakshtra contains nine > > > planets, while the space of chara karakas contains eight planets. A > > > formula based on equating them is mixing up two unequal sets. That is > > > illogical. Moreover, this formula fails in many examples and works in > > > just two (third example is based on questionable data). Thus, it sounds > > > like a formula constructed based on an observation which was made based > > > on just 2-3 charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any genuine formula should work in a far higher percentage of > > > applicable charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried to find some reasonable and logical criterion based on > > > abhisheka nakshatra to find initial indications of a potential for > > > liberation, that works in all the charts I mentioned above. I was > > > unsuccessful. Each formula works in some and fails in some. The example > > > charts I chose are all unquestionably very high caliber spiritual > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > After my failure, I bowed to Maharshi Parasara after a daily > > > Chandi homam and prayed to him to kindly show me a criterion based on > > > abhisheka nakshatra that works in a higher percentage of applicable > > > charts. The formula that was given to me is this: " The abhisheka > > > nakshatra - the 28th nakshatra - reckoned from chara aatma kaaraka has > > > aspect or vedha in sarvatobhadra chakra (SBC) from a planet that is also > > > associated with (a) the 12th house from chara aatma kaaraka in D-20 > > > chart and (b) 5th or 9th house from lagna in rasi chart. If chara aatma > > > kaaraka is Rahu, counting of the 28th star in SBC as well as counting of > > > the 12th house in D-20 is in anti-zodiacal order. " > > > > > > > > > > > > The D-20 is the chart of spiritual progress. The 12th house from > > > AK in it shows the liberation of individual soul as one progresses > > > spiritually. Similarly, SBC is the chakra in the nakshatra space and > > > abhisheka (28th) nakshatra from AK in it shows liberation of soul in the > > > nakshatra space. Planet having an influence on both the factors supports > > > spiritual liberation. The 5th and 9th from lagna show poorvapunya and > > > bhagya. If the same planet influences all the three factors, that planet > > > can suggest liberation. The reverse counting from Rahu is because Rahu > > > goes in reverse. Even when defining argala, Parasara asked to reckon > > > argalas and virodha argalas based on houses from Rahu and Ketu in > > > anti-zodiacal order. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, we are finding a planetary influence that brings poorvapunya > > > and bhagya (5th and 9th) to this specific existence (lagna) and promotes > > > liberation (12th house/28th star) of individual soul (AK) in the > > > conscious mental plane (SBC) and the plane of spiritual activity (D-20). > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that this formula does not use Vimsottari dasa > > > lordships. It uses nakshatra chakra (SBC) for nakshatras and D-20 for > > > rasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > When the formula came to me, I tried it on the charts of > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Sarada Mata, Swami Vivekananda, Ramana > > > Maharshi, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada, Swami > > > Sivananda. It worked in all the charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarada Mata's AK is Moon. He is in Uttara Phalguni. The 28th star > > > from him is Poorva Phalguni. It has vedha only from Mars. In D-20, Moon > > > is in Ta and the 12th lord from him is Mars. In rasi, Mars is the 5th > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s AK is Rahu. He is in Krittika. The 28th star from > > > him counted anti-zodiacally is Rohini. It has vedha in SBC only from > > > Saturn. In D-20, Rahu is in Cp and the 12th house counted > > > anti-zodiacally is Aq. Saturn owns it. In rasi, Saturn occupies the 9th > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s AK is Sun. He is in Uttarashadha. The 28t star from > > > him is Poorvashadha. It has vedha in SBC only from Moon and Saturn. In > > > D-20, Sun is in Pi and Saturn is the 12th lord from him. In rasi, Saturn > > > occupies the 9th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharashi's AK is Moon. He is in Punarvasu. The 28th star > > > from him is Ardra. It has vedha from Sun and Rahu and aspect from > > > Jupiter in SBC. In D-20, Moon is in Aq and Jupiter and Rahu aspect Cp. > > > In rasi, Jupiter occupies the 5th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati's AK is Saturn. He is in Chitra. > > > The 28th star from him is Hasta. It has vedha from Rahu and Ketu and > > > aspect from Jupiter in SBC. In D-20, Saturn is in Cp and Jupiter owns > > > the 12th while Rahu and Ketu aspect it. In rasi, Jupiter owns 5th and > > > occupies 9th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Srila Prabhupada's AK is Rahu. He is in Dhanishtha. The 28th star > > > from him is Satabhishak. It has no vedha in SBC, but Sun aspects it. In > > > D-20, Rahu is in Sg. The 12th from him reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp > > > and Sun aspects it. In rasi, Sun is the 9th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Sivananda's AK is Sun. He is in Poorva Phalguni. The 28th > > > star from him is Magha. It has vedha from Moon and Rahu in SBC and > > > Saturn aspects it. In D-20, Sun is in Pi. The 12th from him is Aq. > > > Saturn and Rahu own it and Moon aspects it. In rasi, Moon is lagna lord > > > in 9th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshis who overcame the concept of Time and space-time > > > continuum when living here in a body can bless us even after they leave > > > earth. To those of you who do any kind of homam daily or weekly and want > > > to surrender to Parasara and get some blessings from him, I suggest > > > making 4 or 8 or 12 aahutis (oblations) of ghee at the beginning of > > > uttaraangam while saying one of the following: > > > > > > > > > > > > daivavidbhyo varaM viGYaM shaktiputraM munIshvaraM > > > > > > horaa shaastra pravaktaaraM paraasharaM namaamyahaM. svaahaa. > > > paraasharaayedaM na mama. > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > om pam paraasharaaya namaH svaahaa. paraasharaayedaM na mama. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 NAMASKAR Dear Rohiniji, I have no option left to contact with great person with false contradiction :-), its very nice feelings to hear from you in this lonely place... best regards, Biswajit vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Biswa jee, > > I realize that, hence I had offered the 2nd paragraph to add clarity :-) > > I was not addressing the 6th from AmK observation by Rath ji, because it is not something that I have examined. There you would have to rely on Narasimha's earlier email with examples or test the rule yourself. > > Good luck in your investigations! > > RR_, > > vedic astrology , " biswa108 " <biswa1975@> wrote: > > > > NAMASKAR > > > > Good sharing Rohiniji, > > > > 6th house definitely manifest some dharmik work, but I think it is different from " 6th from Amatyakaraka " which was taught in " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " as " seeing deities of PALAN KARTA taking care for financial livelihood and sustenance of family " . > > > > hope you appreciate my sharing too... > > > > best regards, > > Biswajit > > > > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Tenth being the strongest kendra and essentially a house that represents 'fructification' and concretization of Karma in a tangible and crystalline form, SIXTH which is tenth from ninth (Dharma, spirituality etc) perhaps may, generally speaking, represent the expression of the 9th in a tangible and concrete and visible form, Narasimha jee. Most individuals probably never go beyond the tangible, ritualistic, concrete form and expression of religion and spirituality. > > > > > > I am of course sharing what your posting made me think about and express and my words IN NO WAY must be taken as what Mr. Rath intended or whoever else meant to! > > > > > > From those two factors, namely, 10th being the strongest kendra and manifestation of karma, the SIXTH may indeed hold some important clues as to what the NINTH represents or manifests as! > > > > > > We would have to examine the sixth more carefully, of course! > > > > > > Ranjan > > > > > > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > Pt Rath wrote: > > > > > > > > > So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose and has > > > > > ... It is another place for seeing God, spirituality > > > > > > > > Seeing " spirituality " from the 6th house from AmK is a new idea introduced by Pt Rath and one without any demonstrated basis. It even contradicts his previous teachings that the 6th house from AmK shows material sustenance and shows a deity ( " paalana devata " ) that takes care of one's livelihood and sustenance. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Pt Rath introduced a new principle based on it: > > > > > > > > > Try this - If a strong planet is in the 6th house from Amatyakaraka in > > > > > dashamsha, then the native will also do some good work in the spiritual > > > > > path. This would be a more apt way of sayng things > > > > > > > > Elvis Presley had Mars in own sign in the 6th house from AmK Jupiter, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a good man and a great entertainer, but he hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . > > > > > > > > Ronald Reagan had exalted Mercury in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a religious man, but he hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . He was an actor and a successful political leader. > > > > > > > > Woody Allen has Saturn in an adhimitra rasi in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He is a famous and intelligent showman, but hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Dalmiya had exalted Ketu in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a smart and controversial businessman, but he hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . > > > > > > > > On the other hand, some people who devoted their lives to spiritual path and " did some good work " , such as Swami Vivekananda, Sarada Mata and Paramahamsa Yogananda, had no planets in the 6th house from AmK in D-10. > > > > > > > > The new principle from Pt Rath neither works nor makes logical sense. Fundamentally, why see " spirituality " from the 6th house from Amk? > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Pt Rath wrote: > > > > > > > > > So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose and has > > > > > *nothingto do with power and position* > > > > > > > > I never said the 6th from AmK shows " power and position " . This is a misinterpretation of my words. When I suggested a principle by linking three parameters, this is what I wrote on each of the parameters in the original quoted mail: > > > > > > > > " We are basically looking for synergy between (a) the professional (D-10) effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star), of the spirit of work in one (AmK), and the blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). " > > > > > > > > Amatya Karaka (AmK) represents the spirit of work in one. The 6th house (overcoming obstacles) from him shows how one puts in effort to overcome obstacles. I did not say it shows power and posititon. We are looking for synergy between these parameters by way of common influences: > > > > > > > > (1) The 6th house from AmK in D-10: Effort put in by the spirit of work in one in one's profession > > > > (2) The 10th star from AmK in SBC: Mental activity of the spirit of work in one > > > > (3) The trines from GL: The power and position one is blessed with at the physical level > > > > > > > > I found that a lot of successful people have a common influence on these parameters and so shared it. But I never said 6th from AmK shows " power " . > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Reema wrote: > > > > > > > > > 2) A more fundamental question is why is Palana Devata seen from the > > > > > 6th? It relates to matters of sustenance. Then, why not 2nd from AmK? > > > > > > > > Good question! > > > > > > > > I suggest putting aside the notion that the 6th house from AmK governs " sustenance " and " livelihood " , as taught by Pt Rath in the past, and taking a fresh look at the matter. Given that Pt Rath now claims it shows " spirituality " suggests that he too is perhaps taking a fresh look! Then why should others be bogged down by his previous teachings? > > > > > > > > Parasara talked about seeing deities from the 12th house from AK and the 6th house from AmK. Parasara said well-placed Ketu with benefic influences in the 12th house from AK shows saayujya, moksha etc (different levels of liberation from the limited I-ness that we normally have). In general, he gave the idea that 12th from AK has to do with spiritual evolution and liberation and associated different deities with different planetary influences. > > > > > > > > But he did not say what to see from the 6th from AmK and it is upto us to understand it! We have some clues. For example, Parasara said AK is like the king if a native's personality is a kingdom. And we know that " amaatya " means minister. We also know that Amatya Karaka was associated with career by many scholars in the past. > > > > > > > > I will share *my* opinion on what AmK stands for, based on my studies, contemplation and research. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > AK shows Self or one's sense of I-ness (sense of " this is I " ). If a nativity is compared to a kingdom, then it makes sense to compare AK to the king as Parasara did. The I-ness is the ultimate controller of an individualized consciousness. The 12th house of loss or giving up from AK shows giving up I-ness and being liberated. No wonder Parasara used it in combinations involving saayujya, moksha etc. > > > > > > > > If one's existence as a being separate from Aatman/Brahman is analogous to a kingdom and the sense of self or I-ness is analogous to the king of that kingdom, then what is analogous to the minister? The sense of purpose or the sense of " this is the work I must accomplish " must be be analogous to the minister counseling the king. One's sense of purpose in life actively counsels one's I-ness to get various things done. > > > > > > > > Thus, I suggest that AmK shows one's sense of purpose in life or the sense that " this is the work I must accomplish " . > > > > > > > > As the sense of purpose guides and influences the work that people do, no wonder many scholars associated AmK with profession in the past. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > When you look at things from the perspective of one's sense of purpose in life, the 2nd house of resources and food is also important as it shows what feeds one's sense of purpose in life. However, the 6th house is the most important as it shows the challenges and how they are overcome, to one's sense of purpose. The 6th house from AmK does not exactly show one's livelihood and material sustenance, but how one overcomes challenges to one's inner sense of purpose in life - what one views as " this is what I need to do " . > > > > > > > > The deity associated with the 6th from AmK enables one to overcome challenges and fulfil one's sense of purpose in life. The deity associated with the 12th from AK enables one to overcome I-ness and merge with god. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > I replied to Reema's orginal mail of counter-examples in > > > > > > > > JyotishWritings/message/16 > > > > > > > > and explained how I reckon the 6th house from AmK in D-10. Most of the counter-examples were not really counter-examples as AmK was way too advanced in the sign and the 6th house extended way into the next sign compared to what Reema took. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > > > Spirituality: > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 11/12/09, reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh@> > > > > Fwd: Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra > > > > pvr108@ > > > > Thursday, November 12, 2009, 11:12 AM > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " reema_sriganesh " <reema_sriganesh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krushna || > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sanjay Ji, > > > > > > > > Thank you for raising a pertinent question. I guess I should have asked > > > > that, too, before checking the validity of this principle on charts. I > > > > would be very interested to hear Narasimha Ji's reasoning as to why he > > > > takes 6th from AmK to see power and influence. > > > > > > > > > Next why the 6th house? It is because of the dictum *amatyadaase > > > > chaivaM* which means > > > > > we need to look at the 6th house from AmK ...forwhat? This has > > > > reference to the previous > > > > > sutra of Jaimini which relates to Istadevata. So, the 6th from AmK is > > > > seen for spirituality > > > > > purpose and has *nothingto do with power and position* > > > > > > > > Yes, I am aware of the SJC teaching of seeing Palana Devata - more > > > > specifically, a Devi form - from the 6th from AmK in Navamsa. I have > > > > two questions, here: > > > > > > > > 1) What does 6th from AmK have to do with spirituality? I mean, for a > > > > spiritual person his/her palana is a manifestation of Devata's blessing. > > > > I get that. But beyond this, how does Palana Devata lead one to be more > > > > spiritual? > > > > > > > > 2) A more fundamental question is why is Palana Devata seen from the > > > > 6th? It relates to matters of sustenance. Then, why not 2nd from AmK? > > > > > > > > Om Tat Sat > > > > Reema. > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah > > > > > > > > > > Dear Reema > > > > > > > > > > Before I begin, I want to show my appreciation for your sincere > > > > effort. First let us understand the principle concerned - Principle 2 is > > > > what is being examined by you, so I will stick to that. > > > > > > > > > > The statement is - > > > > > > > > > > Principle 2: PVR > > > > > > > > > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned > > > > from AmK in D-10 and the 10th > > > > > > > > > > > star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC have an influence of > > > > the same planet and that > > > > > > > > > > > planet is also associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one > > > > rises to a position of power and > > > > > > > > > > > influence in one's work. We are basically looking for synergy > > > > between (a) the professional (D-10) > > > > > > > > > > > effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit > > > > of work in one (AmK) and the > > > > > > > > > > > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). > > > > > > > > > > POINT 1: In order to understand, we need to address the following - > > > > why are we looking at the 6th house from Amatyakaraka? AmK related to > > > > profession is something I have been *propagating* and can be stated as > > > > another of *Rath's own teachings*. So, this statement means that, to a > > > > limited extent my teaching/Puri teaching, is being accepted. Fine > > > > > > > > > > Next why the 6th house? It is because of the dictum *amatya daase > > > > chaivaM* which means we need to look at the 6th house from AmK ....for > > > > what? This has reference to the previous sutra of Jaimini which relates > > > > to Ista devata. So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose > > > > and has *nothing to do with power and position* > > > > > > > > > > On this ground, I reject the principle as it lacks understanding of > > > > the basic rules and the upadesha of Jaimini has been grossly > > > > misinterpreted. Even Pasashara does not ask us to see the 6th house from > > > > AmK for power, so why should we do it? > > > > > > > > > > POINT 2: Karma Nakshatra is a well known point and this is nothing > > > > new. Whether one is using the 28 star system or the 27 star system, this > > > > nakshatra will always play a powerful role in life and will dicate Karma > > > > (work). More details can be had from Brihat nakshatra Book. > > > > > > > > > > POINT 3: Trines to Ghatika Lagna is an attempt to hide the standard - > > > > 1,5,7,9 house. In fact real power is in the 5th from ghatika lagna. > > > > > > > > > > ...we can have so many other things from Vedic Astrology and then try > > > > to put them together and create multiple rules. > > > > > > > > > > ............. MY VIEW............ > > > > > > > > > > Reema, I never look for rules. There are millions of them in Vedic > > > > Astrology.I look for principles underlying the rules andthis is what I > > > > teach all the time. If one tries to mug up rules, they will fail whereas > > > > the principles will always stand and help as they are based on > > > > understanding and not just memory. > > > > > > > > > > Finally, please DO NOT look at 6th house Amatya Karaka for power. This > > > > is preposterous idea. It is another place for seeing God, spirituality > > > > and not power. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try this - If a strong planet is in the 6th house from Amatyakaraka in > > > > dashamsha, then the native will also do some good work in the spiritual > > > > path. This would be a more apt way of sayng things > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > > > > > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 > > > > 8762 > > > > > > > > > > Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books: > > > > www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On > > > > Behalf Of reema_sriganesh > > > > > 10 November 2009 20:26 > > > > > sohamsa > > > > > Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krushna || > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Narasimha Ji, > > > > > > > > > > I was catching up with the old emails on Sohamsa, and I came across > > > > your messages elucidating the following two principles: > > > > > > > > > > Principle 1 > > > > > > > > > > > The D-20 is the chart of spiritual progress. The 12th house from AK > > > > in it shows the liberation of > > > > > > individual soul as one progresses spiritually. Similarly, SBC is the > > > > chakra in the nakshatra space and > > > > > > abhisheka (28th) nakshatra from AK in it shows liberation of soul in > > > > the nakshatra space. Planet > > > > > > having an influence on both the factors supports spiritual > > > > liberation. The 5th and 9th from lagna > > > > > > show poorvapunya and bhagya. If the same planet influences all the > > > > three factors, that planet can > > > > > > suggest liberation. The reverse counting from Rahu is because Rahu > > > > goes in reverse. Even when > > > > > > defining argala, Parasara asked to reckon argalas and virodha > > > > argalas based on houses from Rahu > > > > > > and Ketu in anti-zodiacal order. > > > > > > > > > > Principle 2 > > > > > > > > > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned > > > > from AmK in D-10 and the 10th > > > > > > star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC have an influence of > > > > the same planet and that > > > > > > planet is also associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one > > > > rises to a position of power and > > > > > > influence in one's work. We are basically looking for synergy > > > > between (a) the professional (D-10) > > > > > > effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit > > > > of work in one (AmK) and the > > > > > > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). > > > > > > > > > > I studied both these principles in several charts. I do not feel that > > > > I can do any justice towards testing the first principle, because, after > > > > all, who am I to pass a judgment about someone's spirituality and then > > > > check the validity of my presumptuous opinion in their charts?! However, > > > > I think I can do justice to testing the second principle that you > > > > propose because power and influence, especially power, that an > > > > individual wields is a tangible thing, and can be perceived by the > > > > outside World. > > > > > > > > > > You did provide 6 charts to support Principle 2. However, in my study > > > > I have come across quite a few charts where this principle does not > > > > work. Here are the examples of the charts where the principle does not > > > > work. Please note that I used Jagannatha Ayanamsa and mixed 7/8 chara > > > > karakas (as per your interpretation of Parasara). > > > > > > > > > > 1) Al Gore > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 03/31/1948 > > > > > ToB: 12:58 > > > > > PoB: 77W02, 38N54 > > > > > TZ: 5:00 Hrs. West of GMT > > > > > > > > > > AmK is Budha. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Shani and Rahu and > > > > is given rasi drishti by Shani and Surya. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the > > > > 10th nakshatra from Purvabhadra (occupied by AmK Budha) is Punarvasu. > > > > Punarvasu gets vedha from Budha, Guru, and Chandra. So, a common planet > > > > is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work > > > > in this chart of an American ex-vice president. > > > > > > > > > > 2) Abdul Kalam > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 10/15/1931 > > > > > ToB: 11:30 > > > > > PoB: 79E18, 9N17 > > > > > TZ: 5:30 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > > > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala and > > > > Ketu, and is occupied by Guru. Budha and Chandra give rasi drishti. In > > > > Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Visakha (occupied by AmK > > > > Mangala) is Satabhishaka. Satabhishaka gets vedha from Shukra. So, a > > > > common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle > > > > does not work in this chart of an Indian ex-president. > > > > > > > > > > 3) Benazir Bhutto > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 06/21/1953 > > > > > ToB: 20:16:03 > > > > > PoB: Karachi, Pakistan > > > > > TZ: 5 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > > > AmK is Shukra. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and is > > > > given rasi drishti by Surya, Shani, and Shukra. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, > > > > the 10th nakshatra from Bharani (occupied by AmK Shukra) is > > > > Purvaphalguni, which receives vedha from Ketu. So, a common planet is > > > > not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in > > > > this chart of a Pakistani ex-prime minister. > > > > > > > > > > 4) Boris Yeltsin > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 02/01/1931 > > > > > ToB: 17:00:00 > > > > > PoB: 63E47, 56N47 > > > > > TZ: 5 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > > > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Shani and occupied > > > > by Chandra and Ketu. Shani, Budha, and Mangala give rasi drishti. In > > > > Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Purvashadha (occupied by > > > > AmK Shani) is Aswini receiving vedha from Chandra. Hence, there is a > > > > common planet i.e. Chandra influencing these two hot spots. Let us see > > > > if Chandra influences trikona from Ghati Lagna in rasi. Chandra is in > > > > Vrishchika and GL is in Tula. Chandra, thus, does not associate in any > > > > way to GL or its trikonas. The principle does not work in this chart of > > > > a Russian ex-president. > > > > > > > > > > 5) Donald Rumsfeld > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 07/09/1932 > > > > > ToB: 17:40:00 > > > > > PoB: 87W39, 41N51 > > > > > TZ: 6 Hrs. West of GMT > > > > > > > > > > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Guru, and > > > > occupied by Shani. Budha gives rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, > > > > the 10th nakshatra from Rohini (occupied by AmK Mangala) is Hasta, which > > > > receives vedha from Shukra. So, a common planet is not influencing the > > > > first two hot spots. The principle does not work in this chart of an > > > > American ex-secretary of defense. > > > > > > > > > > 6) Dudley Senanyake > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 06/19/1911 > > > > > ToB: 12:15:51 > > > > > PoB: 79E51, 6N56 > > > > > TZ: 5:30 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > > > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and Guru, > > > > Chandra, Shani, Rahu, and Ketu give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra > > > > Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Bharani (occupied by AmK Shani) is > > > > Purvaphalguni, which receives drishti from Chandra. Hence, there is a > > > > common planet i.e. Chandra influencing these two hot spots. Let us see > > > > if Chandra influences trikona from Ghati Lagna in rasi. Chandra is in > > > > Kumbha and GL is in Kanya. Chandra, thus, does not associate in any way > > > > to GL or its trikonas. The principle does not work in this chart of a > > > > Sri Lankan ex-prime minister. > > > > > > > > > > 7) Gerald Ford Jr. > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 07/14/1913 > > > > > ToB: 0:41:00 > > > > > PoB: 96W01, 41N17 > > > > > TZ: 6 Hrs. West of GMT > > > > > > > > > > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned, and occupied by > > > > Shukra. Shani, Chandra, and Budha give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra > > > > Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Krittika (occupied by AmK Mangala) is > > > > Uttaraphalguni, which receives vedha from Surya. So, a common planet is > > > > not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in > > > > this chart of an American ex-president. > > > > > > > > > > 8) Henry Kissinger > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 05/27/1923 > > > > > ToB: 5:30:00 > > > > > PoB: Furth, Germany > > > > > TZ: 1:00 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > > > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and > > > > occupied by Guru. Shani, Shukra, and Chandra give rasi drishti. In > > > > Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Hasta (occupied by AmK > > > > Shani) is Abhijeet, which receives vedha from Surya, Budha, and Rahu. > > > > So, a common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The > > > > principle does not work in this chart of an American ex-secretary of > > > > state. > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I ran out of time to test this principle on *all* the > > > > charts of politicians that I have. Also, I cannot vouch for the accuracy > > > > of birth data that I have used. But I can say this - out of the 16 > > > > charts I tested, 8 validated the principle, and 8 did not. The ones that > > > > did validate the principle are: > > > > > > > > > > 1) Adolf Hitler > > > > > 2) Bill Bradley > > > > > 3) Condelizza Rice > > > > > 4) Dr. Murali Manohar Joshi > > > > > 5) Elizabeth Dole > > > > > 6) Franklin Delano Roosevelt > > > > > 7) Jayalalitha > > > > > 8) Abraham Lincoln > > > > > > > > > > So the success rate for me was 50%. It also got me thinking that > > > > perhaps we should use another varga instead of D-10? Say, D-5? D-5 > > > > specifically deals with power and authority as per my understanding. You > > > > have put forth two very interesting principles based on your research > > > > and blessed intuition. I hope you do write a follow-up to my question. > > > > > > > > > > Om Tat Sat > > > > > Reema. > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rajarshi, > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) Of course not. This is just a conducive factor. It makes sense > > > > logically and it seems to work in several charts in which you would > > > > expect it to apply. That's all. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no view on (2) and (3). Obviously, I do not have all answers. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > What I shared is the tip of the iceberg, just like the planetary > > > > special lagna concepts that I illustrated using Ve7 as an example > > > > sometime back. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are so many reference points in charts, so many houses and so > > > > many nakshatras. If one applies oneself intelligently and tests using > > > > many examples, one can arrive at so many formulas using what I gave as a > > > > template. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned > > > > from AmK in D-10 and the 10th star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK > > > > in SBC have an influence of the same planet and that planet is also > > > > associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one rises to a position > > > > of power and influence in one's work. We are basically looking for > > > > synergy between (a) the professional (D-10) effort (6th) and (b) mental > > > > (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit of work in one (AmK) and the > > > > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). > > > > > > > > > > > > Nehru's AmK is Rahu. From Ardra containing Rahu, the 10th star > > > > counted anti-zodiacally is Satabhishak. In SBC, it has vedha from > > > > Mercury and Venus. In D-10, the 6th house from Li containing Rahu > > > > counted anti-zodiacally is Ta. Venus owns it. In rasi chart, Venus is > > > > the lord of GL and joins the lord of the 5th house from GL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Indira Gandhi's AmK is Venus. From Poorvashadha containing Venus, > > > > the 10th star is Aswini. In SBC, it has vedha from Mars and Jupiter. In > > > > D-10, the 6th house from Cn containing Venus is Sg. Jupiter owns it. In > > > > rasi chart, Jupiter is the 9th lord from GL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajiv Gandhi's AmK is Rahu. From Punarvasu containing Rahu, the 10th > > > > star counted anti-zodiacally is Poorvabhadra. In SBC, it has vedha from > > > > nodes and aspect from Mercury and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Pi > > > > containing Rahu counted anti-zodiacally is Li. Mars and Mercury aspect > > > > it from Ta. In rasi chart, Mervcury is the 9th lord from GL. > > > > > > > > > > > > PV Narasimha Rao's AmK is Venus. From Krittika containing Venus, the > > > > 10th star is Uttara Phalguni. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and > > > > aspect from Moon and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp containing > > > > Venus is Ge owned by Mercury and only Mercury aspects it. In rasi chart, > > > > Mercury is the dispositor of the 5th and 9th lords from GL and is with > > > > them, aspecting GL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ronald Reagan's AmK is Sun. From Dhanishtha containing Sun, the 10th > > > > star is Mrigasira. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and aspect from > > > > Mars and Saturn. In D-10, the 6th house from Ar containing Sun is Vi > > > > owned and occupied by Mercury and only Mars aspects it from Pi. In rasi > > > > chart, Mercury and Mars are in GL and Mars owns the 5th from GL. > > > > > > > > > > > > George W Bush's AmK is Jupiter. From Chitra containing Jupiter, the > > > > 10th star is Sravana. In SBC, it has vedha from none but aspected by > > > > Mercury, Jupiter and Venus. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp containing > > > > Jupiter is Ge owned by Mercury and aspected by Venus from Sg. In rasi > > > > chart, Mercury and Venus are in the 9th house from GL. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Bottomline: > > > > > > > > > > > > One may be able to unearth many ways to combine nakshatra chakra > > > > (SBC), various divisional charts and rasi chart. What factor at the > > > > mental level (SBC), what factor at the level of a specific environment > > > > in life (i.e. a divisional chart, examples of various environments shown > > > > in various divisional charts are - professional in D-10, parental in > > > > D-12, educational in D-24, spiritual in D-20, financial in D-2 etc) and > > > > what factor at the physical level (rasi chart) need to have a synergy, > > > > in order to produce a specific result? > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rajarshi and other young sadhakas-cum-Jyotishis, > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to humbly say a word on " research " . Please ignore my 2 cents > > > > if this makes no sense to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite passionate about Jyotish research several years back and > > > > used to spend a lot of time in research. I used to sleep at 3 am and get > > > > up at 6 am. I used to spend long hours formulating principles and > > > > testing them out on charts, changing JHora sometimes for it. After > > > > coming home from work, I used to spend as much time on astrology study > > > > and research, as I used to spend on my main profession during the day. > > > > > > > > > > > > After spiritual transformation in recent years, I stopped spending > > > > that much time. However, the productivity of my Jyotish research went > > > > up. Some ideas that struck to my mind at the end of nice meditation > > > > sessions turned out to be good and simply worked in several charts that > > > > I tried out later. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you surrender to god and rishis, you will receive whatever > > > > knowledge you need for your activities in this life. Have faith in god > > > > and rishis and surrender. Also, it is important to approach Jyotish > > > > knowledge with the spirit of a brahmana. Brahmana is one who cares about > > > > nothing other than knowledge and liberation. Kshatriya is one who cares > > > > about power, authority and control over others. Vaisya is one who cares > > > > about money. Do not look at your Jyotish knowledge as a means to have > > > > some control or authority over people and do not feel proud of your > > > > knowledge, like a kshatriya. Also, do not look at your Jyotish knowledge > > > > as a means to get money and try to increase your gains, like a vaishya. > > > > Be a true braahmana in the prusuit of Jyotish knowledge and surrender to > > > > god and rishis. Sky is the limit for you then. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, it is also possible then that you lose interest in > > > > Jyotish completely or partially and do not receive any or much Jyotish > > > > knowledge. But so be it. As I said, you will receive " whatever knowledge > > > > *you need* " . You don't know what you really need, but god does! Complete > > > > surrender means not asking for any specific thing and accepting whatever > > > > comes one's way! > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Reply to Mail 2 below: > > > > > > > > > > > > I am replying publicly while keeping your anonymity. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Yes, a blue light from a Shiva linga entered his mother when she > > > > was pregnant with him. She also had darshan of many celestial beings on > > > > a regular basis during her pregnancy, which stopped after the delivery. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, Vishnu told his father in the dream at Gaya that you refer > > > > to, that *he himself* would come as a son. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are different indications, but what Ramakrishna himself > > > > declared should be the final word. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. When I meditate deeply after homam or in general, I sometimes go > > > > into a nice spiritual state. Though there was some desire to find some > > > > principle based on abhisheka nakshatra *before* meditation started, it > > > > completely vanished from my consciousness as meditation deepened and the > > > > regular self-awareness vanished too. Then I was in a nice spiritual > > > > state where the logical mind and intuitive mind were very very calm > > > > without much mental activity. When I was coming back to a state of > > > > normal self-awareness from such a state, I just became aware of a > > > > thought. It felt like it was someone's thought just flowing in the > > > > universe and I happened to be on the same wavelength and was able to > > > > observe it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I only said I prayed to Parasara and this formula was given to me. I > > > > did not say who gave it to me, because I do not know. But I express my > > > > gratitude to Parasara, as I had prayed to him before and then this > > > > thought came and moreover this principle is far more logical and far > > > > more accurate than anything I was able to synthesize using my rational > > > > and intuitive minds before. If one begged the king for money and > > > > suddenly found a bag of gold coins thrown into one's backyard by an > > > > unseen person, one will only thank the king. Especially if the coins > > > > seem to be made of real gold.. > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. I am glad you were thinking along those lines! It shows you have > > > > some really good samskaras guiding your instincts. You can ask Agni to > > > > carry an oblation of ghee to various deities and rishis, without a > > > > separate invocation. For example, if your gotra is Goutama, you can > > > > offer an oblation in the fire while saying " om gautamaaya svaahaa. > > > > gautamaayedam na mama " . Or, if you want to offer to Jupiter, you can > > > > offer an oblation in the fire while saying " om bR^ihaspataye svaahaa. > > > > bR^ihaspataya na mama " . You can do this after the main homam and before > > > > you start the final offerings to Agni, Vaayu, Surya, Prajapati, Vishnu > > > > and Shiva. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to specifically invoke, you can use the Ganesha > > > > invocation from Krishna homam or Shiva homam manual as the template and > > > > follow that procedure. Replace " oM gaM gaNapataye namaH " with " oM paM > > > > paraasharaaya namaH " or just " oM paraasharaaya namaH " or the verse for > > > > Parasara below. Irresepctive of the exact procedure you used, the keys > > > > to success are (a) the strength of belief that Parasara is there in fire > > > > and (b) respect and surrender for him. Use whatever procedure maximizes > > > > those aspects in you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > > > > > Spirituality: > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , rajarshi nandy rajarshi14@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Narasimha, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very good work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was trying this in some charts and most of them gave very > > > > accurate results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a few queries: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If both condition (a) and condition (b) get fulfilled, can we > > > > safely conclude that this person will attain to the highest spiritual > > > > experience of Moksha? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) If only one condition is fulfilled, say the Vedha graha aspects > > > > the 12th from Ak in D20, but is not connected to 5th and/or 9th in rasi, > > > > or vice versa, can we conclude that the person is spiritual but may not > > > > reach the highest realization? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) In case of no Vedha graha, does it indicate that this person > > > > cannot attain moksha in that life time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Regards > > > > > > > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail 2: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha, namaste & pranaams > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *The nature of this email is necessarily private. Do not quote > > > > this email > > > > > > > unless you feel some points/your reply to points would benefit a > > > > larger > > > > > > > section of society. Thanks in advance.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. I am so excited at your directly received revelation from > > > > Maharishi > > > > > > > Parasara! This indicates that vargas can be read as independent > > > > charts and > > > > > > > gives some valuable pointers as to how connections between rasi > > > > and vargas > > > > > > > can be synthesized. The tip of an iceberg is indicated here! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. It is mentioned (I cannot cite the reference) that a blue light > > > > emanated > > > > > > > out of the Shiva Linga when Sri Ramakrishna's mother went to the > > > > temple and > > > > > > > the waves of the blue light passed into her. She felt as if she > > > > was pregnant > > > > > > > immediately. At the same time, Sri Ramakrishna's father had a > > > > dream at Gaya > > > > > > > that Vishnu would bless him with an illustrious progeny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. The statement of Sanjay cited by you below is at best an > > > > empirical > > > > > > > statement. It does not give any criteria as to how the judgement > > > > was arrived > > > > > > > at. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. May I respectfully ask how you received the revelation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Nowadays I am performing the Ganesha homam weekly. I had been > > > > toying with > > > > > > > the idea of whether to invoke Maharishis Parasara and Jaimini in > > > > the homam, > > > > > > > bow before them and seek their blessings for studying the jyotisa > > > > shastra. > > > > > > > You indirectly answered the unspoken desire! How may I invoke > > > > Maharishi > > > > > > > Jaimini in the homan? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > > <name deleted> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/9/09, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ > > > > > > > Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra > > > > > > > sohamsa , vedic astrology , > > > > , sjcBoston , > > > > sjc-guru > > > > > > > Tuesday, 8 September, 2009, 5:22 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sanjay and friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your book " Brihat Nakshatra " , you said regarding Ramakrishna > > > > Paramhamsa's chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " In all my years of study and tens of thousands of charts, I have > > > > never come across anything as close to this chart which represents a > > > > perfect incarnation of Lord Shiva. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then you went on to talk about the " specific " form of " Shiva " > > > > shown by the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, this is inconsistent with what Ramakrishna himself > > > > revealed and religious authorities at his time opined. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Ramakrishna was on death bed with cancer, Narendra (Swami > > > > Vivekananda) once thought to himself, " I will accept his divinity if he > > > > declares his divinity *now*, inspite of this sickness and suffering. " As > > > > if he detected the thought, Ramakrishna said to Narendra, " you still > > > > have doubts? He who was Rama and Krishna before is in this body now. And > > > > I do not mean it in your vedantic sense! " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By explicitly saying that he did not mean it in the vedantic sense > > > > and referring to " He who was Rama and Krishna before " , he clearly > > > > revealed that he was an incarnation of Lord Vishnu. Ramakrishna never > > > > spoke a lie and valued truthfulness highly. The words of the realized > > > > man in question himself must be more reliable than questionable and > > > > unreliable astrological principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, a couple of great religious authorities of the time > > > > studied Ramakrishna Paramahamsa in his younger days when he was being > > > > trained by Bhairavi Brahmani and saw all behavioral signs and physical > > > > marks that confirmed to them that he was an incarnation of Vishnu. They > > > > declared him to be an incarnation of Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given these two facts, your conclusion cannot be correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda was inherently a jnaani. He rejected Maayaa and even > > > > called Ramakrishna' s visions of various deities as hallucinations and > > > > plays of the mind. He only accepted the formless. Ramakrishna slowly > > > > created in him respect and love for Vishnu Maayaa that governs duality. > > > > Well, it takes one with purified Vishnu tattva to create respect and > > > > love for Vishnu Maayaa in one with raw Shiva tattva. Moreover, it was at > > > > the Shiva temple at Amarnath in Himalayas that Vivekananda finally > > > > realized his true nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Jupiter and Mercury are the natural guru and sishya and Jupiter > > > > is supposed to show Sadashiva and Mercury is supposed to show Vishnu, > > > > one may be tempted to theorize that Shiva is guru and Vishnu is sishya > > > > and attribute Shiva tattva to guru in a guru-sishya pair. However, that > > > > is no logic. Jupiter is not just Sadashiva, he is Jagannath too. Some of > > > > Vishnu's avataras have been the greatest gurus. Krishna is the ultimate > > > > jagadguru for his teaching of Bhagavad Gita, the greatest spiritual > > > > teaching ever. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, take the example of another illustrious guru-sishya pair > > > > from a few millennia back - Govinda Bhagavatpada and Aadi Shankara. > > > > Govinda Bhagavatpada was a highly learned and elevated master. He too > > > > had several great sishyas. His main sishya Aadi Shankara is considered > > > > an incarnation of Lord Shiva and Govinda Bhagavatpada is considered to > > > > be of Vishnu tattwa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one says that Govinda Bhagavatpada must have had an amsha of > > > > Shiva (Jupiter) because he was the guru and that Aadi Shankara must have > > > > had an amsha of Vishnu (Mercury) because he was the sishya, that would > > > > be no logic at all! Shiva himself said that he would be born as Aadi > > > > Shankara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, given the parallels between the lives of Aadi Shankara > > > > and Vivekananda, it is possible that Vivekananda was a re-incarnation of > > > > Aadi Shankara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - > > > > > > > Abhisheka Nakshatra Principle > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said in the same book that abhisheka nakshatra's lord (as per > > > > Vimsottari dasa lordship) being AK is the " first indication of a high > > > > level soul having incarnated " . You use the charts of Ramakrishna and > > > > Vivekananda and a questionable chart of Lord Krishna to justify it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there are many exampsles like Sarada Mata, Ramana > > > > Maharshi, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada and Swami > > > > Sivananda, which do not satisfy the criterion. All of them are > > > > definitely " high level souls having incarnated " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, it is questionable to have such an important formula > > > > based on " vimsottari lordships " , which is just a star-planet mapping for > > > > one specific dasa scheme among many, as taught by Parasara. Secondly, > > > > the space of Vimsottari lord of abhisheka nakshtra contains nine > > > > planets, while the space of chara karakas contains eight planets. A > > > > formula based on equating them is mixing up two unequal sets. That is > > > > illogical. Moreover, this formula fails in many examples and works in > > > > just two (third example is based on questionable data). Thus, it sounds > > > > like a formula constructed based on an observation which was made based > > > > on just 2-3 charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any genuine formula should work in a far higher percentage of > > > > applicable charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried to find some reasonable and logical criterion based on > > > > abhisheka nakshatra to find initial indications of a potential for > > > > liberation, that works in all the charts I mentioned above. I was > > > > unsuccessful. Each formula works in some and fails in some. The example > > > > charts I chose are all unquestionably very high caliber spiritual > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After my failure, I bowed to Maharshi Parasara after a daily > > > > Chandi homam and prayed to him to kindly show me a criterion based on > > > > abhisheka nakshatra that works in a higher percentage of applicable > > > > charts. The formula that was given to me is this: " The abhisheka > > > > nakshatra - the 28th nakshatra - reckoned from chara aatma kaaraka has > > > > aspect or vedha in sarvatobhadra chakra (SBC) from a planet that is also > > > > associated with (a) the 12th house from chara aatma kaaraka in D-20 > > > > chart and (b) 5th or 9th house from lagna in rasi chart. If chara aatma > > > > kaaraka is Rahu, counting of the 28th star in SBC as well as counting of > > > > the 12th house in D-20 is in anti-zodiacal order. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The D-20 is the chart of spiritual progress. The 12th house from > > > > AK in it shows the liberation of individual soul as one progresses > > > > spiritually. Similarly, SBC is the chakra in the nakshatra space and > > > > abhisheka (28th) nakshatra from AK in it shows liberation of soul in the > > > > nakshatra space. Planet having an influence on both the factors supports > > > > spiritual liberation. The 5th and 9th from lagna show poorvapunya and > > > > bhagya. If the same planet influences all the three factors, that planet > > > > can suggest liberation. The reverse counting from Rahu is because Rahu > > > > goes in reverse. Even when defining argala, Parasara asked to reckon > > > > argalas and virodha argalas based on houses from Rahu and Ketu in > > > > anti-zodiacal order. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, we are finding a planetary influence that brings poorvapunya > > > > and bhagya (5th and 9th) to this specific existence (lagna) and promotes > > > > liberation (12th house/28th star) of individual soul (AK) in the > > > > conscious mental plane (SBC) and the plane of spiritual activity (D-20). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that this formula does not use Vimsottari dasa > > > > lordships. It uses nakshatra chakra (SBC) for nakshatras and D-20 for > > > > rasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the formula came to me, I tried it on the charts of > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Sarada Mata, Swami Vivekananda, Ramana > > > > Maharshi, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada, Swami > > > > Sivananda. It worked in all the charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarada Mata's AK is Moon. He is in Uttara Phalguni. The 28th star > > > > from him is Poorva Phalguni. It has vedha only from Mars. In D-20, Moon > > > > is in Ta and the 12th lord from him is Mars. In rasi, Mars is the 5th > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s AK is Rahu. He is in Krittika. The 28th star from > > > > him counted anti-zodiacally is Rohini. It has vedha in SBC only from > > > > Saturn. In D-20, Rahu is in Cp and the 12th house counted > > > > anti-zodiacally is Aq. Saturn owns it. In rasi, Saturn occupies the 9th > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s AK is Sun. He is in Uttarashadha. The 28t star from > > > > him is Poorvashadha. It has vedha in SBC only from Moon and Saturn. In > > > > D-20, Sun is in Pi and Saturn is the 12th lord from him. In rasi, Saturn > > > > occupies the 9th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharashi's AK is Moon. He is in Punarvasu. The 28th star > > > > from him is Ardra. It has vedha from Sun and Rahu and aspect from > > > > Jupiter in SBC. In D-20, Moon is in Aq and Jupiter and Rahu aspect Cp. > > > > In rasi, Jupiter occupies the 5th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati's AK is Saturn. He is in Chitra. > > > > The 28th star from him is Hasta. It has vedha from Rahu and Ketu and > > > > aspect from Jupiter in SBC. In D-20, Saturn is in Cp and Jupiter owns > > > > the 12th while Rahu and Ketu aspect it. In rasi, Jupiter owns 5th and > > > > occupies 9th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Srila Prabhupada's AK is Rahu. He is in Dhanishtha. The 28th star > > > > from him is Satabhishak. It has no vedha in SBC, but Sun aspects it. In > > > > D-20, Rahu is in Sg. The 12th from him reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp > > > > and Sun aspects it. In rasi, Sun is the 9th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Sivananda's AK is Sun. He is in Poorva Phalguni. The 28th > > > > star from him is Magha. It has vedha from Moon and Rahu in SBC and > > > > Saturn aspects it. In D-20, Sun is in Pi. The 12th from him is Aq. > > > > Saturn and Rahu own it and Moon aspects it. In rasi, Moon is lagna lord > > > > in 9th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshis who overcame the concept of Time and space-time > > > > continuum when living here in a body can bless us even after they leave > > > > earth. To those of you who do any kind of homam daily or weekly and want > > > > to surrender to Parasara and get some blessings from him, I suggest > > > > making 4 or 8 or 12 aahutis (oblations) of ghee at the beginning of > > > > uttaraangam while saying one of the following: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daivavidbhyo varaM viGYaM shaktiputraM munIshvaraM > > > > > > > horaa shaastra pravaktaaraM paraasharaM namaamyahaM. svaahaa. > > > > paraasharaayedaM na mama. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om pam paraasharaaya namaH svaahaa. paraasharaayedaM na mama. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Namaste, RR ji, My Guru used say that from ones Lagna his quality of worshiping God could be seen,from 4th House could be seen that a person how frequent he is in his Devaalaya dharsanam / visits,from 5th House ones manthrO upadesa siddhi,from 9th House could be seen ones bhagya for Devaalaya prathishta, from 10th House could be seen ones bhagya for Deva pooja ,from 12th House ones practice in manthra uchaatana and their respective 6th house would depict the extent of ones captivated involvement in the activity referred to above.I think similar may be delineating practice based on AMK obtaining in some parts of North India. Regards, Raghavan Karunakaram --- On Tue, 11/17/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani [vedic astrology] Re: What AmK and 6th from him mean vedic astrology Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 6:23 AM  Biswa jee, I realize that, hence I had offered the 2nd paragraph to add clarity :-) I was not addressing the 6th from AmK observation by Rath ji, because it is not something that I have examined. There you would have to rely on Narasimha's earlier email with examples or test the rule yourself. Good luck in your investigations! RR_, vedic astrology, " biswa108 " <biswa1975@. ..> wrote: > > NAMASKAR > > Good sharing Rohiniji, > > 6th house definitely manifest some dharmik work, but I think it is different from " 6th from Amatyakaraka " which was taught in " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " as " seeing deities of PALAN KARTA taking care for financial livelihood and sustenance of family " . > > hope you appreciate my sharing too... > > best regards, > Biswajit > > > vedic astrology, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > Tenth being the strongest kendra and essentially a house that represents 'fructification' and concretization of Karma in a tangible and crystalline form, SIXTH which is tenth from ninth (Dharma, spirituality etc) perhaps may, generally speaking, represent the expression of the 9th in a tangible and concrete and visible form, Narasimha jee. Most individuals probably never go beyond the tangible, ritualistic, concrete form and expression of religion and spirituality. > > > > I am of course sharing what your posting made me think about and express and my words IN NO WAY must be taken as what Mr. Rath intended or whoever else meant to! > > > > From those two factors, namely, 10th being the strongest kendra and manifestation of karma, the SIXTH may indeed hold some important clues as to what the NINTH represents or manifests as! > > > > We would have to examine the sixth more carefully, of course! > > > > Ranjan > > > > vedic astrology, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > Pt Rath wrote: > > > > > > > So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose and has > > > > ... It is another place for seeing God, spirituality > > > > > > Seeing " spirituality " from the 6th house from AmK is a new idea introduced by Pt Rath and one without any demonstrated basis. It even contradicts his previous teachings that the 6th house from AmK shows material sustenance and shows a deity ( " paalana devata " ) that takes care of one's livelihood and sustenance. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Pt Rath introduced a new principle based on it: > > > > > > > Try this - If a strong planet is in the 6th house from Amatyakaraka in > > > > dashamsha, then the native will also do some good work in the spiritual > > > > path. This would be a more apt way of sayng things > > > > > > Elvis Presley had Mars in own sign in the 6th house from AmK Jupiter, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a good man and a great entertainer, but he hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . > > > > > > Ronald Reagan had exalted Mercury in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a religious man, but he hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . He was an actor and a successful political leader. > > > > > > Woody Allen has Saturn in an adhimitra rasi in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He is a famous and intelligent showman, but hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . > > > > > > Ramakrishna Dalmiya had exalted Ketu in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a smart and controversial businessman, but he hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . > > > > > > On the other hand, some people who devoted their lives to spiritual path and " did some good work " , such as Swami Vivekananda, Sarada Mata and Paramahamsa Yogananda, had no planets in the 6th house from AmK in D-10. > > > > > > The new principle from Pt Rath neither works nor makes logical sense. Fundamentally, why see " spirituality " from the 6th house from Amk? > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Pt Rath wrote: > > > > > > > So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose and has > > > > *nothingto do with power and position* > > > > > > I never said the 6th from AmK shows " power and position " . This is a misinterpretation of my words. When I suggested a principle by linking three parameters, this is what I wrote on each of the parameters in the original quoted mail: > > > > > > " We are basically looking for synergy between (a) the professional (D-10) effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star), of the spirit of work in one (AmK), and the blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). " > > > > > > Amatya Karaka (AmK) represents the spirit of work in one. The 6th house (overcoming obstacles) from him shows how one puts in effort to overcome obstacles. I did not say it shows power and posititon. We are looking for synergy between these parameters by way of common influences: > > > > > > (1) The 6th house from AmK in D-10: Effort put in by the spirit of work in one in one's profession > > > (2) The 10th star from AmK in SBC: Mental activity of the spirit of work in one > > > (3) The trines from GL: The power and position one is blessed with at the physical level > > > > > > I found that a lot of successful people have a common influence on these parameters and so shared it. But I never said 6th from AmK shows " power " . > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Reema wrote: > > > > > > > 2) A more fundamental question is why is Palana Devata seen from the > > > > 6th? It relates to matters of sustenance. Then, why not 2nd from AmK? > > > > > > Good question! > > > > > > I suggest putting aside the notion that the 6th house from AmK governs " sustenance " and " livelihood " , as taught by Pt Rath in the past, and taking a fresh look at the matter. Given that Pt Rath now claims it shows " spirituality " suggests that he too is perhaps taking a fresh look! Then why should others be bogged down by his previous teachings? > > > > > > Parasara talked about seeing deities from the 12th house from AK and the 6th house from AmK. Parasara said well-placed Ketu with benefic influences in the 12th house from AK shows saayujya, moksha etc (different levels of liberation from the limited I-ness that we normally have). In general, he gave the idea that 12th from AK has to do with spiritual evolution and liberation and associated different deities with different planetary influences. > > > > > > But he did not say what to see from the 6th from AmK and it is upto us to understand it! We have some clues. For example, Parasara said AK is like the king if a native's personality is a kingdom. And we know that " amaatya " means minister. We also know that Amatya Karaka was associated with career by many scholars in the past. > > > > > > I will share *my* opinion on what AmK stands for, based on my studies, contemplation and research. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > AK shows Self or one's sense of I-ness (sense of " this is I " ). If a nativity is compared to a kingdom, then it makes sense to compare AK to the king as Parasara did. The I-ness is the ultimate controller of an individualized consciousness. The 12th house of loss or giving up from AK shows giving up I-ness and being liberated. No wonder Parasara used it in combinations involving saayujya, moksha etc. > > > > > > If one's existence as a being separate from Aatman/Brahman is analogous to a kingdom and the sense of self or I-ness is analogous to the king of that kingdom, then what is analogous to the minister? The sense of purpose or the sense of " this is the work I must accomplish " must be be analogous to the minister counseling the king. One's sense of purpose in life actively counsels one's I-ness to get various things done. > > > > > > Thus, I suggest that AmK shows one's sense of purpose in life or the sense that " this is the work I must accomplish " . > > > > > > As the sense of purpose guides and influences the work that people do, no wonder many scholars associated AmK with profession in the past. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > When you look at things from the perspective of one's sense of purpose in life, the 2nd house of resources and food is also important as it shows what feeds one's sense of purpose in life. However, the 6th house is the most important as it shows the challenges and how they are overcome, to one's sense of purpose. The 6th house from AmK does not exactly show one's livelihood and material sustenance, but how one overcomes challenges to one's inner sense of purpose in life - what one views as " this is what I need to do " . > > > > > > The deity associated with the 6th from AmK enables one to overcome challenges and fulfil one's sense of purpose in life. The deity associated with the 12th from AK enables one to overcome I-ness and merge with god. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > I replied to Reema's orginal mail of counter-examples in > > > > > > http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings/message/ 16 > > > > > > and explained how I reckon the 6th house from AmK in D-10. Most of the counter-examples were not really counter-examples as AmK was way too advanced in the sign and the 6th house extended way into the next sign compared to what Reema took. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > --- On Thu, 11/12/09, reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh@ > wrote: > > > > > > reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh@ > > > > Fwd: Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra > > > pvr108@ > > > Thursday, November 12, 2009, 11:12 AM > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " reema_sriganesh " <reema_sriganesh@ > wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krushna || > > > > > > Namaskaar Sanjay Ji, > > > > > > Thank you for raising a pertinent question. I guess I should have asked > > > that, too, before checking the validity of this principle on charts. I > > > would be very interested to hear Narasimha Ji's reasoning as to why he > > > takes 6th from AmK to see power and influence. > > > > > > > Next why the 6th house? It is because of the dictum *amatyadaase > > > chaivaM* which means > > > > we need to look at the 6th house from AmK ...forwhat? This has > > > reference to the previous > > > > sutra of Jaimini which relates to Istadevata. So, the 6th from AmK is > > > seen for spirituality > > > > purpose and has *nothingto do with power and position* > > > > > > Yes, I am aware of the SJC teaching of seeing Palana Devata - more > > > specifically, a Devi form - from the 6th from AmK in Navamsa. I have > > > two questions, here: > > > > > > 1) What does 6th from AmK have to do with spirituality? I mean, for a > > > spiritual person his/her palana is a manifestation of Devata's blessing. > > > I get that. But beyond this, how does Palana Devata lead one to be more > > > spiritual? > > > > > > 2) A more fundamental question is why is Palana Devata seen from the > > > 6th? It relates to matters of sustenance. Then, why not 2nd from AmK? > > > > > > Om Tat Sat > > > Reema. > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > om gurave namah > > > > > > > > Dear Reema > > > > > > > > Before I begin, I want to show my appreciation for your sincere > > > effort. First let us understand the principle concerned - Principle 2 is > > > what is being examined by you, so I will stick to that. > > > > > > > > The statement is - > > > > > > > > Principle 2: PVR > > > > > > > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned > > > from AmK in D-10 and the 10th > > > > > > > > > star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC have an influence of > > > the same planet and that > > > > > > > > > planet is also associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one > > > rises to a position of power and > > > > > > > > > influence in one's work. We are basically looking for synergy > > > between (a) the professional (D-10) > > > > > > > > > effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit > > > of work in one (AmK) and the > > > > > > > > > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). > > > > > > > > POINT 1: In order to understand, we need to address the following - > > > why are we looking at the 6th house from Amatyakaraka? AmK related to > > > profession is something I have been *propagating* and can be stated as > > > another of *Rath's own teachings*. So, this statement means that, to a > > > limited extent my teaching/Puri teaching, is being accepted. Fine > > > > > > > > Next why the 6th house? It is because of the dictum *amatya daase > > > chaivaM* which means we need to look at the 6th house from AmK ...for > > > what? This has reference to the previous sutra of Jaimini which relates > > > to Ista devata. So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose > > > and has *nothing to do with power and position* > > > > > > > > On this ground, I reject the principle as it lacks understanding of > > > the basic rules and the upadesha of Jaimini has been grossly > > > misinterpreted. Even Pasashara does not ask us to see the 6th house from > > > AmK for power, so why should we do it? > > > > > > > > POINT 2: Karma Nakshatra is a well known point and this is nothing > > > new. Whether one is using the 28 star system or the 27 star system, this > > > nakshatra will always play a powerful role in life and will dicate Karma > > > (work). More details can be had from Brihat nakshatra Book. > > > > > > > > POINT 3: Trines to Ghatika Lagna is an attempt to hide the standard - > > > 1,5,7,9 house. In fact real power is in the 5th from ghatika lagna. > > > > > > > > ...we can have so many other things from Vedic Astrology and then try > > > to put them together and create multiple rules. > > > > > > > > ............ . MY VIEW........ .... > > > > > > > > Reema, I never look for rules. There are millions of them in Vedic > > > Astrology.I look for principles underlying the rules andthis is what I > > > teach all the time. If one tries to mug up rules, they will fail whereas > > > the principles will always stand and help as they are based on > > > understanding and not just memory. > > > > > > > > Finally, please DO NOT look at 6th house Amatya Karaka for power. This > > > is preposterous idea. It is another place for seeing God, spirituality > > > and not power. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try this - If a strong planet is in the 6th house from Amatyakaraka in > > > dashamsha, then the native will also do some good work in the spiritual > > > path. This would be a more apt way of sayng things > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > > > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 > > > 8762 > > > > > > > > Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa. com; Books: > > > www.sagittariuspubl ications. com; Community: www.. org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On > > > Behalf Of reema_sriganesh > > > > 10 November 2009 20:26 > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krushna || > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Narasimha Ji, > > > > > > > > I was catching up with the old emails on Sohamsa, and I came across > > > your messages elucidating the following two principles: > > > > > > > > Principle 1 > > > > > > > > > The D-20 is the chart of spiritual progress. The 12th house from AK > > > in it shows the liberation of > > > > > individual soul as one progresses spiritually. Similarly, SBC is the > > > chakra in the nakshatra space and > > > > > abhisheka (28th) nakshatra from AK in it shows liberation of soul in > > > the nakshatra space. Planet > > > > > having an influence on both the factors supports spiritual > > > liberation. The 5th and 9th from lagna > > > > > show poorvapunya and bhagya. If the same planet influences all the > > > three factors, that planet can > > > > > suggest liberation. The reverse counting from Rahu is because Rahu > > > goes in reverse. Even when > > > > > defining argala, Parasara asked to reckon argalas and virodha > > > argalas based on houses from Rahu > > > > > and Ketu in anti-zodiacal order. > > > > > > > > Principle 2 > > > > > > > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned > > > from AmK in D-10 and the 10th > > > > > star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC have an influence of > > > the same planet and that > > > > > planet is also associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one > > > rises to a position of power and > > > > > influence in one's work. We are basically looking for synergy > > > between (a) the professional (D-10) > > > > > effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit > > > of work in one (AmK) and the > > > > > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). > > > > > > > > I studied both these principles in several charts. I do not feel that > > > I can do any justice towards testing the first principle, because, after > > > all, who am I to pass a judgment about someone's spirituality and then > > > check the validity of my presumptuous opinion in their charts?! However, > > > I think I can do justice to testing the second principle that you > > > propose because power and influence, especially power, that an > > > individual wields is a tangible thing, and can be perceived by the > > > outside World. > > > > > > > > You did provide 6 charts to support Principle 2. However, in my study > > > I have come across quite a few charts where this principle does not > > > work. Here are the examples of the charts where the principle does not > > > work. Please note that I used Jagannatha Ayanamsa and mixed 7/8 chara > > > karakas (as per your interpretation of Parasara). > > > > > > > > 1) Al Gore > > > > > > > > DoB: 03/31/1948 > > > > ToB: 12:58 > > > > PoB: 77W02, 38N54 > > > > TZ: 5:00 Hrs. West of GMT > > > > > > > > AmK is Budha. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Shani and Rahu and > > > is given rasi drishti by Shani and Surya. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the > > > 10th nakshatra from Purvabhadra (occupied by AmK Budha) is Punarvasu. > > > Punarvasu gets vedha from Budha, Guru, and Chandra. So, a common planet > > > is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work > > > in this chart of an American ex-vice president. > > > > > > > > 2) Abdul Kalam > > > > > > > > DoB: 10/15/1931 > > > > ToB: 11:30 > > > > PoB: 79E18, 9N17 > > > > TZ: 5:30 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala and > > > Ketu, and is occupied by Guru. Budha and Chandra give rasi drishti. In > > > Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Visakha (occupied by AmK > > > Mangala) is Satabhishaka. Satabhishaka gets vedha from Shukra. So, a > > > common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle > > > does not work in this chart of an Indian ex-president. > > > > > > > > 3) Benazir Bhutto > > > > > > > > DoB: 06/21/1953 > > > > ToB: 20:16:03 > > > > PoB: Karachi, Pakistan > > > > TZ: 5 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > AmK is Shukra. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and is > > > given rasi drishti by Surya, Shani, and Shukra. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, > > > the 10th nakshatra from Bharani (occupied by AmK Shukra) is > > > Purvaphalguni, which receives vedha from Ketu. So, a common planet is > > > not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in > > > this chart of a Pakistani ex-prime minister. > > > > > > > > 4) Boris Yeltsin > > > > > > > > DoB: 02/01/1931 > > > > ToB: 17:00:00 > > > > PoB: 63E47, 56N47 > > > > TZ: 5 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Shani and occupied > > > by Chandra and Ketu. Shani, Budha, and Mangala give rasi drishti. In > > > Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Purvashadha (occupied by > > > AmK Shani) is Aswini receiving vedha from Chandra. Hence, there is a > > > common planet i.e. Chandra influencing these two hot spots. Let us see > > > if Chandra influences trikona from Ghati Lagna in rasi. Chandra is in > > > Vrishchika and GL is in Tula. Chandra, thus, does not associate in any > > > way to GL or its trikonas. The principle does not work in this chart of > > > a Russian ex-president. > > > > > > > > 5) Donald Rumsfeld > > > > > > > > DoB: 07/09/1932 > > > > ToB: 17:40:00 > > > > PoB: 87W39, 41N51 > > > > TZ: 6 Hrs. West of GMT > > > > > > > > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Guru, and > > > occupied by Shani. Budha gives rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, > > > the 10th nakshatra from Rohini (occupied by AmK Mangala) is Hasta, which > > > receives vedha from Shukra. So, a common planet is not influencing the > > > first two hot spots. The principle does not work in this chart of an > > > American ex-secretary of defense. > > > > > > > > 6) Dudley Senanyake > > > > > > > > DoB: 06/19/1911 > > > > ToB: 12:15:51 > > > > PoB: 79E51, 6N56 > > > > TZ: 5:30 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and Guru, > > > Chandra, Shani, Rahu, and Ketu give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra > > > Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Bharani (occupied by AmK Shani) is > > > Purvaphalguni, which receives drishti from Chandra. Hence, there is a > > > common planet i.e. Chandra influencing these two hot spots. Let us see > > > if Chandra influences trikona from Ghati Lagna in rasi. Chandra is in > > > Kumbha and GL is in Kanya. Chandra, thus, does not associate in any way > > > to GL or its trikonas. The principle does not work in this chart of a > > > Sri Lankan ex-prime minister. > > > > > > > > 7) Gerald Ford Jr. > > > > > > > > DoB: 07/14/1913 > > > > ToB: 0:41:00 > > > > PoB: 96W01, 41N17 > > > > TZ: 6 Hrs. West of GMT > > > > > > > > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned, and occupied by > > > Shukra. Shani, Chandra, and Budha give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra > > > Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Krittika (occupied by AmK Mangala) is > > > Uttaraphalguni, which receives vedha from Surya. So, a common planet is > > > not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in > > > this chart of an American ex-president. > > > > > > > > 8) Henry Kissinger > > > > > > > > DoB: 05/27/1923 > > > > ToB: 5:30:00 > > > > PoB: Furth, Germany > > > > TZ: 1:00 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and > > > occupied by Guru. Shani, Shukra, and Chandra give rasi drishti. In > > > Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Hasta (occupied by AmK > > > Shani) is Abhijeet, which receives vedha from Surya, Budha, and Rahu. > > > So, a common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The > > > principle does not work in this chart of an American ex-secretary of > > > state. > > > > > > > > Of course, I ran out of time to test this principle on *all* the > > > charts of politicians that I have. Also, I cannot vouch for the accuracy > > > of birth data that I have used. But I can say this - out of the 16 > > > charts I tested, 8 validated the principle, and 8 did not. The ones that > > > did validate the principle are: > > > > > > > > 1) Adolf Hitler > > > > 2) Bill Bradley > > > > 3) Condelizza Rice > > > > 4) Dr. Murali Manohar Joshi > > > > 5) Elizabeth Dole > > > > 6) Franklin Delano Roosevelt > > > > 7) Jayalalitha > > > > 8) Abraham Lincoln > > > > > > > > So the success rate for me was 50%. It also got me thinking that > > > perhaps we should use another varga instead of D-10? Say, D-5? D-5 > > > specifically deals with power and authority as per my understanding. You > > > have put forth two very interesting principles based on your research > > > and blessed intuition. I hope you do write a follow-up to my question. > > > > > > > > Om Tat Sat > > > > Reema. > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rajarshi, > > > > > > > > > > (1) Of course not. This is just a conducive factor. It makes sense > > > logically and it seems to work in several charts in which you would > > > expect it to apply. That's all. > > > > > > > > > > I have no view on (2) and (3). Obviously, I do not have all answers. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot. > > > > > > > > > > What I shared is the tip of the iceberg, just like the planetary > > > special lagna concepts that I illustrated using Ve7 as an example > > > sometime back. > > > > > > > > > > There are so many reference points in charts, so many houses and so > > > many nakshatras. If one applies oneself intelligently and tests using > > > many examples, one can arrive at so many formulas using what I gave as a > > > template. > > > > > > > > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned > > > from AmK in D-10 and the 10th star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK > > > in SBC have an influence of the same planet and that planet is also > > > associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one rises to a position > > > of power and influence in one's work. We are basically looking for > > > synergy between (a) the professional (D-10) effort (6th) and (b) mental > > > (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit of work in one (AmK) and the > > > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). > > > > > > > > > > Nehru's AmK is Rahu. From Ardra containing Rahu, the 10th star > > > counted anti-zodiacally is Satabhishak. In SBC, it has vedha from > > > Mercury and Venus. In D-10, the 6th house from Li containing Rahu > > > counted anti-zodiacally is Ta. Venus owns it. In rasi chart, Venus is > > > the lord of GL and joins the lord of the 5th house from GL. > > > > > > > > > > Indira Gandhi's AmK is Venus. From Poorvashadha containing Venus, > > > the 10th star is Aswini. In SBC, it has vedha from Mars and Jupiter. In > > > D-10, the 6th house from Cn containing Venus is Sg. Jupiter owns it. In > > > rasi chart, Jupiter is the 9th lord from GL. > > > > > > > > > > Rajiv Gandhi's AmK is Rahu. From Punarvasu containing Rahu, the 10th > > > star counted anti-zodiacally is Poorvabhadra. In SBC, it has vedha from > > > nodes and aspect from Mercury and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Pi > > > containing Rahu counted anti-zodiacally is Li. Mars and Mercury aspect > > > it from Ta. In rasi chart, Mervcury is the 9th lord from GL. > > > > > > > > > > PV Narasimha Rao's AmK is Venus. From Krittika containing Venus, the > > > 10th star is Uttara Phalguni. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and > > > aspect from Moon and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp containing > > > Venus is Ge owned by Mercury and only Mercury aspects it. In rasi chart, > > > Mercury is the dispositor of the 5th and 9th lords from GL and is with > > > them, aspecting GL. > > > > > > > > > > Ronald Reagan's AmK is Sun. From Dhanishtha containing Sun, the 10th > > > star is Mrigasira. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and aspect from > > > Mars and Saturn. In D-10, the 6th house from Ar containing Sun is Vi > > > owned and occupied by Mercury and only Mars aspects it from Pi. In rasi > > > chart, Mercury and Mars are in GL and Mars owns the 5th from GL. > > > > > > > > > > George W Bush's AmK is Jupiter. From Chitra containing Jupiter, the > > > 10th star is Sravana. In SBC, it has vedha from none but aspected by > > > Mercury, Jupiter and Venus. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp containing > > > Jupiter is Ge owned by Mercury and aspected by Venus from Sg. In rasi > > > chart, Mercury and Venus are in the 9th house from GL. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > Bottomline: > > > > > > > > > > One may be able to unearth many ways to combine nakshatra chakra > > > (SBC), various divisional charts and rasi chart. What factor at the > > > mental level (SBC), what factor at the level of a specific environment > > > in life (i.e. a divisional chart, examples of various environments shown > > > in various divisional charts are - professional in D-10, parental in > > > D-12, educational in D-24, spiritual in D-20, financial in D-2 etc) and > > > what factor at the physical level (rasi chart) need to have a synergy, > > > in order to produce a specific result? > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rajarshi and other young sadhakas-cum- Jyotishis, > > > > > > > > > > I want to humbly say a word on " research " . Please ignore my 2 cents > > > if this makes no sense to you. > > > > > > > > > > I was quite passionate about Jyotish research several years back and > > > used to spend a lot of time in research. I used to sleep at 3 am and get > > > up at 6 am. I used to spend long hours formulating principles and > > > testing them out on charts, changing JHora sometimes for it. After > > > coming home from work, I used to spend as much time on astrology study > > > and research, as I used to spend on my main profession during the day. > > > > > > > > > > After spiritual transformation in recent years, I stopped spending > > > that much time. However, the productivity of my Jyotish research went > > > up. Some ideas that struck to my mind at the end of nice meditation > > > sessions turned out to be good and simply worked in several charts that > > > I tried out later. > > > > > > > > > > If you surrender to god and rishis, you will receive whatever > > > knowledge you need for your activities in this life. Have faith in god > > > and rishis and surrender. Also, it is important to approach Jyotish > > > knowledge with the spirit of a brahmana. Brahmana is one who cares about > > > nothing other than knowledge and liberation. Kshatriya is one who cares > > > about power, authority and control over others. Vaisya is one who cares > > > about money. Do not look at your Jyotish knowledge as a means to have > > > some control or authority over people and do not feel proud of your > > > knowledge, like a kshatriya. Also, do not look at your Jyotish knowledge > > > as a means to get money and try to increase your gains, like a vaishya. > > > Be a true braahmana in the prusuit of Jyotish knowledge and surrender to > > > god and rishis. Sky is the limit for you then. > > > > > > > > > > Of course, it is also possible then that you lose interest in > > > Jyotish completely or partially and do not receive any or much Jyotish > > > knowledge. But so be it. As I said, you will receive " whatever knowledge > > > *you need* " . You don't know what you really need, but god does! Complete > > > surrender means not asking for any specific thing and accepting whatever > > > comes one's way! > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > Reply to Mail 2 below: > > > > > > > > > > I am replying publicly while keeping your anonymity. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Yes, a blue light from a Shiva linga entered his mother when she > > > was pregnant with him. She also had darshan of many celestial beings on > > > a regular basis during her pregnancy, which stopped after the delivery. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, Vishnu told his father in the dream at Gaya that you refer > > > to, that *he himself* would come as a son. > > > > > > > > > > There are different indications, but what Ramakrishna himself > > > declared should be the final word. > > > > > > > > > > 4. When I meditate deeply after homam or in general, I sometimes go > > > into a nice spiritual state. Though there was some desire to find some > > > principle based on abhisheka nakshatra *before* meditation started, it > > > completely vanished from my consciousness as meditation deepened and the > > > regular self-awareness vanished too. Then I was in a nice spiritual > > > state where the logical mind and intuitive mind were very very calm > > > without much mental activity. When I was coming back to a state of > > > normal self-awareness from such a state, I just became aware of a > > > thought. It felt like it was someone's thought just flowing in the > > > universe and I happened to be on the same wavelength and was able to > > > observe it. > > > > > > > > > > I only said I prayed to Parasara and this formula was given to me. I > > > did not say who gave it to me, because I do not know. But I express my > > > gratitude to Parasara, as I had prayed to him before and then this > > > thought came and moreover this principle is far more logical and far > > > more accurate than anything I was able to synthesize using my rational > > > and intuitive minds before. If one begged the king for money and > > > suddenly found a bag of gold coins thrown into one's backyard by an > > > unseen person, one will only thank the king. Especially if the coins > > > seem to be made of real gold.. > > > > > > > > > > 5. I am glad you were thinking along those lines! It shows you have > > > some really good samskaras guiding your instincts. You can ask Agni to > > > carry an oblation of ghee to various deities and rishis, without a > > > separate invocation. For example, if your gotra is Goutama, you can > > > offer an oblation in the fire while saying " om gautamaaya svaahaa. > > > gautamaayedam na mama " . Or, if you want to offer to Jupiter, you can > > > offer an oblation in the fire while saying " om bR^ihaspataye svaahaa. > > > bR^ihaspataya na mama " . You can do this after the main homam and before > > > you start the final offerings to Agni, Vaayu, Surya, Prajapati, Vishnu > > > and Shiva. > > > > > > > > > > If you want to specifically invoke, you can use the Ganesha > > > invocation from Krishna homam or Shiva homam manual as the template and > > > follow that procedure. Replace " oM gaM gaNapataye namaH " with " oM paM > > > paraasharaaya namaH " or just " oM paraasharaaya namaH " or the verse for > > > Parasara below. Irresepctive of the exact procedure you used, the keys > > > to success are (a) the strength of belief that Parasara is there in fire > > > and (b) respect and surrender for him. Use whatever procedure maximizes > > > those aspects in you. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, rajarshi nandy rajarshi14@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Narasimha, > > > > > > > > > > > > Very good work. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was trying this in some charts and most of them gave very > > > accurate results. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a few queries: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If both condition (a) and condition (b) get fulfilled, can we > > > safely conclude that this person will attain to the highest spiritual > > > experience of Moksha? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) If only one condition is fulfilled, say the Vedha graha aspects > > > the 12th from Ak in D20, but is not connected to 5th and/or 9th in rasi, > > > or vice versa, can we conclude that the person is spiritual but may not > > > reach the highest realization? > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) In case of no Vedha graha, does it indicate that this person > > > cannot attain moksha in that life time? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Regards > > > > > > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail 2: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha, namaste & pranaams > > > > > > > > > > > > *The nature of this email is necessarily private. Do not quote > > > this email > > > > > > unless you feel some points/your reply to points would benefit a > > > larger > > > > > > section of society. Thanks in advance.* > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. I am so excited at your directly received revelation from > > > Maharishi > > > > > > Parasara! This indicates that vargas can be read as independent > > > charts and > > > > > > gives some valuable pointers as to how connections between rasi > > > and vargas > > > > > > can be synthesized. The tip of an iceberg is indicated here! > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. It is mentioned (I cannot cite the reference) that a blue light > > > emanated > > > > > > out of the Shiva Linga when Sri Ramakrishna' s mother went to the > > > temple and > > > > > > the waves of the blue light passed into her. She felt as if she > > > was pregnant > > > > > > immediately. At the same time, Sri Ramakrishna' s father had a > > > dream at Gaya > > > > > > that Vishnu would bless him with an illustrious progeny. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. The statement of Sanjay cited by you below is at best an > > > empirical > > > > > > statement. It does not give any criteria as to how the judgement > > > was arrived > > > > > > at. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. May I respectfully ask how you received the revelation? > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Nowadays I am performing the Ganesha homam weekly. I had been > > > toying with > > > > > > the idea of whether to invoke Maharishis Parasara and Jaimini in > > > the homam, > > > > > > bow before them and seek their blessings for studying the jyotisa > > > shastra. > > > > > > You indirectly answered the unspoken desire! How may I invoke > > > Maharishi > > > > > > Jaimini in the homan? > > > > > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > <name deleted> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/9/09, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ > > > > > > Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, vedic astrology, > > > , sjcBoston@grou ps.com, > > > sjc-guru@ s.com > > > > > > Tuesday, 8 September, 2009, 5:22 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sanjay and friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > In your book " Brihat Nakshatra " , you said regarding Ramakrishna > > > Paramhamsa's chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > " In all my years of study and tens of thousands of charts, I have > > > never come across anything as close to this chart which represents a > > > perfect incarnation of Lord Shiva. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Then you went on to talk about the " specific " form of " Shiva " > > > shown by the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > However, this is inconsistent with what Ramakrishna himself > > > revealed and religious authorities at his time opined. > > > > > > > > > > > > When Ramakrishna was on death bed with cancer, Narendra (Swami > > > Vivekananda) once thought to himself, " I will accept his divinity if he > > > declares his divinity *now*, inspite of this sickness and suffering. " As > > > if he detected the thought, Ramakrishna said to Narendra, " you still > > > have doubts? He who was Rama and Krishna before is in this body now. And > > > I do not mean it in your vedantic sense! " > > > > > > > > > > > > By explicitly saying that he did not mean it in the vedantic sense > > > and referring to " He who was Rama and Krishna before " , he clearly > > > revealed that he was an incarnation of Lord Vishnu. Ramakrishna never > > > spoke a lie and valued truthfulness highly. The words of the realized > > > man in question himself must be more reliable than questionable and > > > unreliable astrological principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, a couple of great religious authorities of the time > > > studied Ramakrishna Paramahamsa in his younger days when he was being > > > trained by Bhairavi Brahmani and saw all behavioral signs and physical > > > marks that confirmed to them that he was an incarnation of Vishnu. They > > > declared him to be an incarnation of Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Given these two facts, your conclusion cannot be correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda was inherently a jnaani. He rejected Maayaa and even > > > called Ramakrishna' s visions of various deities as hallucinations and > > > plays of the mind. He only accepted the formless. Ramakrishna slowly > > > created in him respect and love for Vishnu Maayaa that governs duality. > > > Well, it takes one with purified Vishnu tattva to create respect and > > > love for Vishnu Maayaa in one with raw Shiva tattva. Moreover, it was at > > > the Shiva temple at Amarnath in Himalayas that Vivekananda finally > > > realized his true nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > As Jupiter and Mercury are the natural guru and sishya and Jupiter > > > is supposed to show Sadashiva and Mercury is supposed to show Vishnu, > > > one may be tempted to theorize that Shiva is guru and Vishnu is sishya > > > and attribute Shiva tattva to guru in a guru-sishya pair. However, that > > > is no logic. Jupiter is not just Sadashiva, he is Jagannath too. Some of > > > Vishnu's avataras have been the greatest gurus. Krishna is the ultimate > > > jagadguru for his teaching of Bhagavad Gita, the greatest spiritual > > > teaching ever. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, take the example of another illustrious guru-sishya pair > > > from a few millennia back - Govinda Bhagavatpada and Aadi Shankara. > > > Govinda Bhagavatpada was a highly learned and elevated master. He too > > > had several great sishyas. His main sishya Aadi Shankara is considered > > > an incarnation of Lord Shiva and Govinda Bhagavatpada is considered to > > > be of Vishnu tattwa. > > > > > > > > > > > > If one says that Govinda Bhagavatpada must have had an amsha of > > > Shiva (Jupiter) because he was the guru and that Aadi Shankara must have > > > had an amsha of Vishnu (Mercury) because he was the sishya, that would > > > be no logic at all! Shiva himself said that he would be born as Aadi > > > Shankara. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, given the parallels between the lives of Aadi Shankara > > > and Vivekananda, it is possible that Vivekananda was a re-incarnation of > > > Aadi Shankara. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - > > > > > > Abhisheka Nakshatra Principle > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > You said in the same book that abhisheka nakshatra's lord (as per > > > Vimsottari dasa lordship) being AK is the " first indication of a high > > > level soul having incarnated " . You use the charts of Ramakrishna and > > > Vivekananda and a questionable chart of Lord Krishna to justify it. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there are many exampsles like Sarada Mata, Ramana > > > Maharshi, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada and Swami > > > Sivananda, which do not satisfy the criterion. All of them are > > > definitely " high level souls having incarnated " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, it is questionable to have such an important formula > > > based on " vimsottari lordships " , which is just a star-planet mapping for > > > one specific dasa scheme among many, as taught by Parasara. Secondly, > > > the space of Vimsottari lord of abhisheka nakshtra contains nine > > > planets, while the space of chara karakas contains eight planets. A > > > formula based on equating them is mixing up two unequal sets. That is > > > illogical. Moreover, this formula fails in many examples and works in > > > just two (third example is based on questionable data). Thus, it sounds > > > like a formula constructed based on an observation which was made based > > > on just 2-3 charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any genuine formula should work in a far higher percentage of > > > applicable charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried to find some reasonable and logical criterion based on > > > abhisheka nakshatra to find initial indications of a potential for > > > liberation, that works in all the charts I mentioned above. I was > > > unsuccessful. Each formula works in some and fails in some. The example > > > charts I chose are all unquestionably very high caliber spiritual > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > After my failure, I bowed to Maharshi Parasara after a daily > > > Chandi homam and prayed to him to kindly show me a criterion based on > > > abhisheka nakshatra that works in a higher percentage of applicable > > > charts. The formula that was given to me is this: " The abhisheka > > > nakshatra - the 28th nakshatra - reckoned from chara aatma kaaraka has > > > aspect or vedha in sarvatobhadra chakra (SBC) from a planet that is also > > > associated with (a) the 12th house from chara aatma kaaraka in D-20 > > > chart and (b) 5th or 9th house from lagna in rasi chart. If chara aatma > > > kaaraka is Rahu, counting of the 28th star in SBC as well as counting of > > > the 12th house in D-20 is in anti-zodiacal order. " > > > > > > > > > > > > The D-20 is the chart of spiritual progress. The 12th house from > > > AK in it shows the liberation of individual soul as one progresses > > > spiritually. Similarly, SBC is the chakra in the nakshatra space and > > > abhisheka (28th) nakshatra from AK in it shows liberation of soul in the > > > nakshatra space. Planet having an influence on both the factors supports > > > spiritual liberation. The 5th and 9th from lagna show poorvapunya and > > > bhagya. If the same planet influences all the three factors, that planet > > > can suggest liberation. The reverse counting from Rahu is because Rahu > > > goes in reverse. Even when defining argala, Parasara asked to reckon > > > argalas and virodha argalas based on houses from Rahu and Ketu in > > > anti-zodiacal order. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, we are finding a planetary influence that brings poorvapunya > > > and bhagya (5th and 9th) to this specific existence (lagna) and promotes > > > liberation (12th house/28th star) of individual soul (AK) in the > > > conscious mental plane (SBC) and the plane of spiritual activity (D-20). > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that this formula does not use Vimsottari dasa > > > lordships. It uses nakshatra chakra (SBC) for nakshatras and D-20 for > > > rasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > When the formula came to me, I tried it on the charts of > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Sarada Mata, Swami Vivekananda, Ramana > > > Maharshi, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada, Swami > > > Sivananda. It worked in all the charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarada Mata's AK is Moon. He is in Uttara Phalguni. The 28th star > > > from him is Poorva Phalguni. It has vedha only from Mars. In D-20, Moon > > > is in Ta and the 12th lord from him is Mars. In rasi, Mars is the 5th > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s AK is Rahu. He is in Krittika. The 28th star from > > > him counted anti-zodiacally is Rohini. It has vedha in SBC only from > > > Saturn. In D-20, Rahu is in Cp and the 12th house counted > > > anti-zodiacally is Aq. Saturn owns it. In rasi, Saturn occupies the 9th > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s AK is Sun. He is in Uttarashadha. The 28t star from > > > him is Poorvashadha. It has vedha in SBC only from Moon and Saturn. In > > > D-20, Sun is in Pi and Saturn is the 12th lord from him. In rasi, Saturn > > > occupies the 9th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharashi's AK is Moon. He is in Punarvasu. The 28th star > > > from him is Ardra. It has vedha from Sun and Rahu and aspect from > > > Jupiter in SBC. In D-20, Moon is in Aq and Jupiter and Rahu aspect Cp. > > > In rasi, Jupiter occupies the 5th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati's AK is Saturn. He is in Chitra. > > > The 28th star from him is Hasta. It has vedha from Rahu and Ketu and > > > aspect from Jupiter in SBC. In D-20, Saturn is in Cp and Jupiter owns > > > the 12th while Rahu and Ketu aspect it. In rasi, Jupiter owns 5th and > > > occupies 9th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Srila Prabhupada's AK is Rahu. He is in Dhanishtha. The 28th star > > > from him is Satabhishak. It has no vedha in SBC, but Sun aspects it. In > > > D-20, Rahu is in Sg. The 12th from him reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp > > > and Sun aspects it. In rasi, Sun is the 9th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Sivananda's AK is Sun. He is in Poorva Phalguni. The 28th > > > star from him is Magha. It has vedha from Moon and Rahu in SBC and > > > Saturn aspects it. In D-20, Sun is in Pi. The 12th from him is Aq. > > > Saturn and Rahu own it and Moon aspects it. In rasi, Moon is lagna lord > > > in 9th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshis who overcame the concept of Time and space-time > > > continuum when living here in a body can bless us even after they leave > > > earth. To those of you who do any kind of homam daily or weekly and want > > > to surrender to Parasara and get some blessings from him, I suggest > > > making 4 or 8 or 12 aahutis (oblations) of ghee at the beginning of > > > uttaraangam while saying one of the following: > > > > > > > > > > > > daivavidbhyo varaM viGYaM shaktiputraM munIshvaraM > > > > > > horaa shaastra pravaktaaraM paraasharaM namaamyahaM. svaahaa. > > > paraasharaayedaM na mama. > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > om pam paraasharaaya namaH svaahaa. paraasharaayedaM na mama. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > What a fountain of Wisdom your Guruji is/was, munisevitham jee! Next time you are in his Divine 'presence', please convey my 'pairi-panna' (pranaams). > > Thanks! > > RR P.S.: Sorry for the omission from earlier post! And, along similar lines perhaps from the other chara karakas as well! 6th from the remaining 7 karakaas as well! > > vedic astrology , KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM <munisevitham@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > My Guru used say that from ones Lagna his quality of worshiping God > > could be seen,from 4th House could be seen that a person how > > frequent he is in his Devaalaya dharsanam / visits,from 5th House ones > > manthrO upadesa siddhi,from 9th House could be seen ones bhagya for > > Devaalaya prathishta, from 10th House could be seen ones bhagya for > > Deva pooja ,from 12th House ones practice in manthra uchaatana and > > their respective 6th house would depict the extent of ones captivated involvement in the activity referred to above.I think similar may be > > delineating practice based on AMK obtaining in some parts of North India. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Raghavan Karunakaram > > > > --- On Tue, 11/17/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > [vedic astrology] Re: What AmK and 6th from him mean > > vedic astrology > > Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 6:23 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biswa jee, > > > > > > > > I realize that, hence I had offered the 2nd paragraph to add clarity :-) > > > > > > > > I was not addressing the 6th from AmK observation by Rath ji, because it is not something that I have examined. There you would have to rely on Narasimha's earlier email with examples or test the rule yourself. > > > > > > > > Good luck in your investigations! > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " biswa108 " <biswa1975@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > NAMASKAR > > > > > > > > > > Good sharing Rohiniji, > > > > > > > > > > 6th house definitely manifest some dharmik work, but I think it is different from " 6th from Amatyakaraka " which was taught in " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " as " seeing deities of PALAN KARTA taking care for financial livelihood and sustenance of family " . > > > > > > > > > > hope you appreciate my sharing too... > > > > > > > > > > best regards, > > > > > Biswajit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Tenth being the strongest kendra and essentially a house that represents 'fructification' and concretization of Karma in a tangible and crystalline form, SIXTH which is tenth from ninth (Dharma, spirituality etc) perhaps may, generally speaking, represent the expression of the 9th in a tangible and concrete and visible form, Narasimha jee. Most individuals probably never go beyond the tangible, ritualistic, concrete form and expression of religion and spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am of course sharing what your posting made me think about and express and my words IN NO WAY must be taken as what Mr. Rath intended or whoever else meant to! > > > > > > > > > > > > From those two factors, namely, 10th being the strongest kendra and manifestation of karma, the SIXTH may indeed hold some important clues as to what the NINTH represents or manifests as! > > > > > > > > > > > > We would have to examine the sixth more carefully, of course! > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt Rath wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose and has > > > > > > > > ... It is another place for seeing God, spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seeing " spirituality " from the 6th house from AmK is a new idea introduced by Pt Rath and one without any demonstrated basis. It even contradicts his previous teachings that the 6th house from AmK shows material sustenance and shows a deity ( " paalana devata " ) that takes care of one's livelihood and sustenance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt Rath introduced a new principle based on it: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try this - If a strong planet is in the 6th house from Amatyakaraka in > > > > > > > > dashamsha, then the native will also do some good work in the spiritual > > > > > > > > path. This would be a more apt way of sayng things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Elvis Presley had Mars in own sign in the 6th house from AmK Jupiter, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a good man and a great entertainer, but he hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ronald Reagan had exalted Mercury in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a religious man, but he hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . He was an actor and a successful political leader. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Woody Allen has Saturn in an adhimitra rasi in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He is a famous and intelligent showman, but hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Dalmiya had exalted Ketu in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a smart and controversial businessman, but he hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, some people who devoted their lives to spiritual path and " did some good work " , such as Swami Vivekananda, Sarada Mata and Paramahamsa Yogananda, had no planets in the 6th house from AmK in D-10. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The new principle from Pt Rath neither works nor makes logical sense. Fundamentally, why see " spirituality " from the 6th house from Amk? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt Rath wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose and has > > > > > > > > *nothingto do with power and position* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said the 6th from AmK shows " power and position " . This is a misinterpretation of my words. When I suggested a principle by linking three parameters, this is what I wrote on each of the parameters in the original quoted mail: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " We are basically looking for synergy between (a) the professional (D-10) effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star), of the spirit of work in one (AmK), and the blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amatya Karaka (AmK) represents the spirit of work in one. The 6th house (overcoming obstacles) from him shows how one puts in effort to overcome obstacles. I did not say it shows power and posititon. We are looking for synergy between these parameters by way of common influences: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) The 6th house from AmK in D-10: Effort put in by the spirit of work in one in one's profession > > > > > > > (2) The 10th star from AmK in SBC: Mental activity of the spirit of work in one > > > > > > > (3) The trines from GL: The power and position one is blessed with at the physical level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found that a lot of successful people have a common influence on these parameters and so shared it. But I never said 6th from AmK shows " power " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reema wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) A more fundamental question is why is Palana Devata seen from the > > > > > > > > 6th? It relates to matters of sustenance. Then, why not 2nd from AmK? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good question! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest putting aside the notion that the 6th house from AmK governs " sustenance " and " livelihood " , as taught by Pt Rath in the past, and taking a fresh look at the matter. Given that Pt Rath now claims it shows " spirituality " suggests that he too is perhaps taking a fresh look! Then why should others be bogged down by his previous teachings? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parasara talked about seeing deities from the 12th house from AK and the 6th house from AmK. Parasara said well-placed Ketu with benefic influences in the 12th house from AK shows saayujya, moksha etc (different levels of liberation from the limited I-ness that we normally have). In general, he gave the idea that 12th from AK has to do with spiritual evolution and liberation and associated different deities with different planetary influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But he did not say what to see from the 6th from AmK and it is upto us to understand it! We have some clues. For example, Parasara said AK is like the king if a native's personality is a kingdom. And we know that " amaatya " means minister. We also know that Amatya Karaka was associated with career by many scholars in the past. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will share *my* opinion on what AmK stands for, based on my studies, contemplation and research. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AK shows Self or one's sense of I-ness (sense of " this is I " ). If a nativity is compared to a kingdom, then it makes sense to compare AK to the king as Parasara did. The I-ness is the ultimate controller of an individualized consciousness. The 12th house of loss or giving up from AK shows giving up I-ness and being liberated. No wonder Parasara used it in combinations involving saayujya, moksha etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one's existence as a being separate from Aatman/Brahman is analogous to a kingdom and the sense of self or I-ness is analogous to the king of that kingdom, then what is analogous to the minister? The sense of purpose or the sense of " this is the work I must accomplish " must be be analogous to the minister counseling the king. One's sense of purpose in life actively counsels one's I-ness to get various things done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, I suggest that AmK shows one's sense of purpose in life or the sense that " this is the work I must accomplish " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As the sense of purpose guides and influences the work that people do, no wonder many scholars associated AmK with profession in the past. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you look at things from the perspective of one's sense of purpose in life, the 2nd house of resources and food is also important as it shows what feeds one's sense of purpose in life. However, the 6th house is the most important as it shows the challenges and how they are overcome, to one's sense of purpose. The 6th house from AmK does not exactly show one's livelihood and material sustenance, but how one overcomes challenges to one's inner sense of purpose in life - what one views as " this is what I need to do " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The deity associated with the 6th from AmK enables one to overcome challenges and fulfil one's sense of purpose in life. The deity associated with the 12th from AK enables one to overcome I-ness and merge with god. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I replied to Reema's orginal mail of counter-examples in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings/message/ 16 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and explained how I reckon the 6th house from AmK in D-10. Most of the counter-examples were not really counter-examples as AmK was way too advanced in the sign and the 6th house extended way into the next sign compared to what Reema took. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 11/12/09, reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh@ > > > > > > > > Fwd: Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra > > > > > > > pvr108@ > > > > > > > Thursday, November 12, 2009, 11:12 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " reema_sriganesh " <reema_sriganesh@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krushna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sanjay Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for raising a pertinent question. I guess I should have asked > > > > > > > that, too, before checking the validity of this principle on charts. I > > > > > > > would be very interested to hear Narasimha Ji's reasoning as to why he > > > > > > > takes 6th from AmK to see power and influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next why the 6th house? It is because of the dictum *amatyadaase > > > > > > > chaivaM* which means > > > > > > > > we need to look at the 6th house from AmK ...forwhat? This has > > > > > > > reference to the previous > > > > > > > > sutra of Jaimini which relates to Istadevata. So, the 6th from AmK is > > > > > > > seen for spirituality > > > > > > > > purpose and has *nothingto do with power and position* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I am aware of the SJC teaching of seeing Palana Devata - more > > > > > > > specifically, a Devi form - from the 6th from AmK in Navamsa. I have > > > > > > > two questions, here: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) What does 6th from AmK have to do with spirituality? I mean, for a > > > > > > > spiritual person his/her palana is a manifestation of Devata's blessing. > > > > > > > I get that. But beyond this, how does Palana Devata lead one to be more > > > > > > > spiritual? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) A more fundamental question is why is Palana Devata seen from the > > > > > > > 6th? It relates to matters of sustenance. Then, why not 2nd from AmK? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > Reema. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Reema > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before I begin, I want to show my appreciation for your sincere > > > > > > > effort. First let us understand the principle concerned - Principle 2 is > > > > > > > what is being examined by you, so I will stick to that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The statement is - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Principle 2: PVR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned > > > > > > > from AmK in D-10 and the 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC have an influence of > > > > > > > the same planet and that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet is also associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one > > > > > > > rises to a position of power and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence in one's work. We are basically looking for synergy > > > > > > > between (a) the professional (D-10) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit > > > > > > > of work in one (AmK) and the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > POINT 1: In order to understand, we need to address the following - > > > > > > > why are we looking at the 6th house from Amatyakaraka? AmK related to > > > > > > > profession is something I have been *propagating* and can be stated as > > > > > > > another of *Rath's own teachings*. So, this statement means that, to a > > > > > > > limited extent my teaching/Puri teaching, is being accepted. Fine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next why the 6th house? It is because of the dictum *amatya daase > > > > > > > chaivaM* which means we need to look at the 6th house from AmK ....for > > > > > > > what? This has reference to the previous sutra of Jaimini which relates > > > > > > > to Ista devata. So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose > > > > > > > and has *nothing to do with power and position* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On this ground, I reject the principle as it lacks understanding of > > > > > > > the basic rules and the upadesha of Jaimini has been grossly > > > > > > > misinterpreted. Even Pasashara does not ask us to see the 6th house from > > > > > > > AmK for power, so why should we do it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > POINT 2: Karma Nakshatra is a well known point and this is nothing > > > > > > > new. Whether one is using the 28 star system or the 27 star system, this > > > > > > > nakshatra will always play a powerful role in life and will dicate Karma > > > > > > > (work). More details can be had from Brihat nakshatra Book. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > POINT 3: Trines to Ghatika Lagna is an attempt to hide the standard - > > > > > > > 1,5,7,9 house. In fact real power is in the 5th from ghatika lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...we can have so many other things from Vedic Astrology and then try > > > > > > > to put them together and create multiple rules. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ............ . MY VIEW........ .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reema, I never look for rules. There are millions of them in Vedic > > > > > > > Astrology.I look for principles underlying the rules andthis is what I > > > > > > > teach all the time. If one tries to mug up rules, they will fail whereas > > > > > > > the principles will always stand and help as they are based on > > > > > > > understanding and not just memory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally, please DO NOT look at 6th house Amatya Karaka for power. This > > > > > > > is preposterous idea. It is another place for seeing God, spirituality > > > > > > > and not power. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try this - If a strong planet is in the 6th house from Amatyakaraka in > > > > > > > dashamsha, then the native will also do some good work in the spiritual > > > > > > > path. This would be a more apt way of sayng things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 > > > > > > > 8762 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa. com; Books: > > > > > > > www.sagittariuspubl ications. com; Community: www.. org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On > > > > > > > Behalf Of reema_sriganesh > > > > > > > > 10 November 2009 20:26 > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > > > Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krushna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Narasimha Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was catching up with the old emails on Sohamsa, and I came across > > > > > > > your messages elucidating the following two principles: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Principle 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The D-20 is the chart of spiritual progress. The 12th house from AK > > > > > > > in it shows the liberation of > > > > > > > > > individual soul as one progresses spiritually. Similarly, SBC is the > > > > > > > chakra in the nakshatra space and > > > > > > > > > abhisheka (28th) nakshatra from AK in it shows liberation of soul in > > > > > > > the nakshatra space. Planet > > > > > > > > > having an influence on both the factors supports spiritual > > > > > > > liberation. The 5th and 9th from lagna > > > > > > > > > show poorvapunya and bhagya. If the same planet influences all the > > > > > > > three factors, that planet can > > > > > > > > > suggest liberation. The reverse counting from Rahu is because Rahu > > > > > > > goes in reverse. Even when > > > > > > > > > defining argala, Parasara asked to reckon argalas and virodha > > > > > > > argalas based on houses from Rahu > > > > > > > > > and Ketu in anti-zodiacal order. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Principle 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned > > > > > > > from AmK in D-10 and the 10th > > > > > > > > > star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC have an influence of > > > > > > > the same planet and that > > > > > > > > > planet is also associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one > > > > > > > rises to a position of power and > > > > > > > > > influence in one's work. We are basically looking for synergy > > > > > > > between (a) the professional (D-10) > > > > > > > > > effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit > > > > > > > of work in one (AmK) and the > > > > > > > > > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I studied both these principles in several charts. I do not feel that > > > > > > > I can do any justice towards testing the first principle, because, after > > > > > > > all, who am I to pass a judgment about someone's spirituality and then > > > > > > > check the validity of my presumptuous opinion in their charts?! However, > > > > > > > I think I can do justice to testing the second principle that you > > > > > > > propose because power and influence, especially power, that an > > > > > > > individual wields is a tangible thing, and can be perceived by the > > > > > > > outside World. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You did provide 6 charts to support Principle 2. However, in my study > > > > > > > I have come across quite a few charts where this principle does not > > > > > > > work. Here are the examples of the charts where the principle does not > > > > > > > work. Please note that I used Jagannatha Ayanamsa and mixed 7/8 chara > > > > > > > karakas (as per your interpretation of Parasara). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Al Gore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 03/31/1948 > > > > > > > > ToB: 12:58 > > > > > > > > PoB: 77W02, 38N54 > > > > > > > > TZ: 5:00 Hrs. West of GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AmK is Budha. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Shani and Rahu and > > > > > > > is given rasi drishti by Shani and Surya. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the > > > > > > > 10th nakshatra from Purvabhadra (occupied by AmK Budha) is Punarvasu. > > > > > > > Punarvasu gets vedha from Budha, Guru, and Chandra. So, a common planet > > > > > > > is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work > > > > > > > in this chart of an American ex-vice president. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Abdul Kalam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 10/15/1931 > > > > > > > > ToB: 11:30 > > > > > > > > PoB: 79E18, 9N17 > > > > > > > > TZ: 5:30 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala and > > > > > > > Ketu, and is occupied by Guru. Budha and Chandra give rasi drishti. In > > > > > > > Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Visakha (occupied by AmK > > > > > > > Mangala) is Satabhishaka. Satabhishaka gets vedha from Shukra. So, a > > > > > > > common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle > > > > > > > does not work in this chart of an Indian ex-president. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Benazir Bhutto > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 06/21/1953 > > > > > > > > ToB: 20:16:03 > > > > > > > > PoB: Karachi, Pakistan > > > > > > > > TZ: 5 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AmK is Shukra. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and is > > > > > > > given rasi drishti by Surya, Shani, and Shukra. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, > > > > > > > the 10th nakshatra from Bharani (occupied by AmK Shukra) is > > > > > > > Purvaphalguni, which receives vedha from Ketu. So, a common planet is > > > > > > > not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in > > > > > > > this chart of a Pakistani ex-prime minister. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Boris Yeltsin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 02/01/1931 > > > > > > > > ToB: 17:00:00 > > > > > > > > PoB: 63E47, 56N47 > > > > > > > > TZ: 5 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Shani and occupied > > > > > > > by Chandra and Ketu. Shani, Budha, and Mangala give rasi drishti. In > > > > > > > Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Purvashadha (occupied by > > > > > > > AmK Shani) is Aswini receiving vedha from Chandra. Hence, there is a > > > > > > > common planet i.e. Chandra influencing these two hot spots. Let us see > > > > > > > if Chandra influences trikona from Ghati Lagna in rasi. Chandra is in > > > > > > > Vrishchika and GL is in Tula. Chandra, thus, does not associate in any > > > > > > > way to GL or its trikonas. The principle does not work in this chart of > > > > > > > a Russian ex-president. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) Donald Rumsfeld > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 07/09/1932 > > > > > > > > ToB: 17:40:00 > > > > > > > > PoB: 87W39, 41N51 > > > > > > > > TZ: 6 Hrs. West of GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Guru, and > > > > > > > occupied by Shani. Budha gives rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, > > > > > > > the 10th nakshatra from Rohini (occupied by AmK Mangala) is Hasta, which > > > > > > > receives vedha from Shukra. So, a common planet is not influencing the > > > > > > > first two hot spots. The principle does not work in this chart of an > > > > > > > American ex-secretary of defense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) Dudley Senanyake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 06/19/1911 > > > > > > > > ToB: 12:15:51 > > > > > > > > PoB: 79E51, 6N56 > > > > > > > > TZ: 5:30 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and Guru, > > > > > > > Chandra, Shani, Rahu, and Ketu give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra > > > > > > > Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Bharani (occupied by AmK Shani) is > > > > > > > Purvaphalguni, which receives drishti from Chandra. Hence, there is a > > > > > > > common planet i.e. Chandra influencing these two hot spots. Let us see > > > > > > > if Chandra influences trikona from Ghati Lagna in rasi. Chandra is in > > > > > > > Kumbha and GL is in Kanya. Chandra, thus, does not associate in any way > > > > > > > to GL or its trikonas. The principle does not work in this chart of a > > > > > > > Sri Lankan ex-prime minister. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7) Gerald Ford Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 07/14/1913 > > > > > > > > ToB: 0:41:00 > > > > > > > > PoB: 96W01, 41N17 > > > > > > > > TZ: 6 Hrs. West of GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned, and occupied by > > > > > > > Shukra. Shani, Chandra, and Budha give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra > > > > > > > Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Krittika (occupied by AmK Mangala) is > > > > > > > Uttaraphalguni, which receives vedha from Surya. So, a common planet is > > > > > > > not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in > > > > > > > this chart of an American ex-president. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8) Henry Kissinger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 05/27/1923 > > > > > > > > ToB: 5:30:00 > > > > > > > > PoB: Furth, Germany > > > > > > > > TZ: 1:00 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and > > > > > > > occupied by Guru. Shani, Shukra, and Chandra give rasi drishti. In > > > > > > > Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Hasta (occupied by AmK > > > > > > > Shani) is Abhijeet, which receives vedha from Surya, Budha, and Rahu. > > > > > > > So, a common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The > > > > > > > principle does not work in this chart of an American ex-secretary of > > > > > > > state. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I ran out of time to test this principle on *all* the > > > > > > > charts of politicians that I have. Also, I cannot vouch for the accuracy > > > > > > > of birth data that I have used. But I can say this - out of the 16 > > > > > > > charts I tested, 8 validated the principle, and 8 did not. The ones that > > > > > > > did validate the principle are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Adolf Hitler > > > > > > > > 2) Bill Bradley > > > > > > > > 3) Condelizza Rice > > > > > > > > 4) Dr. Murali Manohar Joshi > > > > > > > > 5) Elizabeth Dole > > > > > > > > 6) Franklin Delano Roosevelt > > > > > > > > 7) Jayalalitha > > > > > > > > 8) Abraham Lincoln > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the success rate for me was 50%. It also got me thinking that > > > > > > > perhaps we should use another varga instead of D-10? Say, D-5? D-5 > > > > > > > specifically deals with power and authority as per my understanding. You > > > > > > > have put forth two very interesting principles based on your research > > > > > > > and blessed intuition. I hope you do write a follow-up to my question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > Reema. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rajarshi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) Of course not. This is just a conducive factor. It makes sense > > > > > > > logically and it seems to work in several charts in which you would > > > > > > > expect it to apply. That's all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no view on (2) and (3). Obviously, I do not have all answers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I shared is the tip of the iceberg, just like the planetary > > > > > > > special lagna concepts that I illustrated using Ve7 as an example > > > > > > > sometime back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are so many reference points in charts, so many houses and so > > > > > > > many nakshatras. If one applies oneself intelligently and tests using > > > > > > > many examples, one can arrive at so many formulas using what I gave as a > > > > > > > template. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned > > > > > > > from AmK in D-10 and the 10th star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK > > > > > > > in SBC have an influence of the same planet and that planet is also > > > > > > > associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one rises to a position > > > > > > > of power and influence in one's work. We are basically looking for > > > > > > > synergy between (a) the professional (D-10) effort (6th) and (b) mental > > > > > > > (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit of work in one (AmK) and the > > > > > > > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nehru's AmK is Rahu. From Ardra containing Rahu, the 10th star > > > > > > > counted anti-zodiacally is Satabhishak. In SBC, it has vedha from > > > > > > > Mercury and Venus. In D-10, the 6th house from Li containing Rahu > > > > > > > counted anti-zodiacally is Ta. Venus owns it. In rasi chart, Venus is > > > > > > > the lord of GL and joins the lord of the 5th house from GL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indira Gandhi's AmK is Venus. From Poorvashadha containing Venus, > > > > > > > the 10th star is Aswini. In SBC, it has vedha from Mars and Jupiter. In > > > > > > > D-10, the 6th house from Cn containing Venus is Sg. Jupiter owns it. In > > > > > > > rasi chart, Jupiter is the 9th lord from GL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajiv Gandhi's AmK is Rahu. From Punarvasu containing Rahu, the 10th > > > > > > > star counted anti-zodiacally is Poorvabhadra. In SBC, it has vedha from > > > > > > > nodes and aspect from Mercury and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Pi > > > > > > > containing Rahu counted anti-zodiacally is Li. Mars and Mercury aspect > > > > > > > it from Ta. In rasi chart, Mervcury is the 9th lord from GL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PV Narasimha Rao's AmK is Venus. From Krittika containing Venus, the > > > > > > > 10th star is Uttara Phalguni. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and > > > > > > > aspect from Moon and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp containing > > > > > > > Venus is Ge owned by Mercury and only Mercury aspects it. In rasi chart, > > > > > > > Mercury is the dispositor of the 5th and 9th lords from GL and is with > > > > > > > them, aspecting GL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ronald Reagan's AmK is Sun. From Dhanishtha containing Sun, the 10th > > > > > > > star is Mrigasira. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and aspect from > > > > > > > Mars and Saturn. In D-10, the 6th house from Ar containing Sun is Vi > > > > > > > owned and occupied by Mercury and only Mars aspects it from Pi. In rasi > > > > > > > chart, Mercury and Mars are in GL and Mars owns the 5th from GL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George W Bush's AmK is Jupiter. From Chitra containing Jupiter, the > > > > > > > 10th star is Sravana. In SBC, it has vedha from none but aspected by > > > > > > > Mercury, Jupiter and Venus. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp containing > > > > > > > Jupiter is Ge owned by Mercury and aspected by Venus from Sg. In rasi > > > > > > > chart, Mercury and Venus are in the 9th house from GL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bottomline: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One may be able to unearth many ways to combine nakshatra chakra > > > > > > > (SBC), various divisional charts and rasi chart. What factor at the > > > > > > > mental level (SBC), what factor at the level of a specific environment > > > > > > > in life (i.e. a divisional chart, examples of various environments shown > > > > > > > in various divisional charts are - professional in D-10, parental in > > > > > > > D-12, educational in D-24, spiritual in D-20, financial in D-2 etc) and > > > > > > > what factor at the physical level (rasi chart) need to have a synergy, > > > > > > > in order to produce a specific result? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rajarshi and other young sadhakas-cum- Jyotishis, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to humbly say a word on " research " . Please ignore my 2 cents > > > > > > > if this makes no sense to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite passionate about Jyotish research several years back and > > > > > > > used to spend a lot of time in research. I used to sleep at 3 am and get > > > > > > > up at 6 am. I used to spend long hours formulating principles and > > > > > > > testing them out on charts, changing JHora sometimes for it. After > > > > > > > coming home from work, I used to spend as much time on astrology study > > > > > > > and research, as I used to spend on my main profession during the day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After spiritual transformation in recent years, I stopped spending > > > > > > > that much time. However, the productivity of my Jyotish research went > > > > > > > up. Some ideas that struck to my mind at the end of nice meditation > > > > > > > sessions turned out to be good and simply worked in several charts that > > > > > > > I tried out later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you surrender to god and rishis, you will receive whatever > > > > > > > knowledge you need for your activities in this life. Have faith in god > > > > > > > and rishis and surrender. Also, it is important to approach Jyotish > > > > > > > knowledge with the spirit of a brahmana. Brahmana is one who cares about > > > > > > > nothing other than knowledge and liberation. Kshatriya is one who cares > > > > > > > about power, authority and control over others. Vaisya is one who cares > > > > > > > about money. Do not look at your Jyotish knowledge as a means to have > > > > > > > some control or authority over people and do not feel proud of your > > > > > > > knowledge, like a kshatriya. Also, do not look at your Jyotish knowledge > > > > > > > as a means to get money and try to increase your gains, like a vaishya. > > > > > > > Be a true braahmana in the prusuit of Jyotish knowledge and surrender to > > > > > > > god and rishis. Sky is the limit for you then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, it is also possible then that you lose interest in > > > > > > > Jyotish completely or partially and do not receive any or much Jyotish > > > > > > > knowledge. But so be it. As I said, you will receive " whatever knowledge > > > > > > > *you need* " . You don't know what you really need, but god does! Complete > > > > > > > surrender means not asking for any specific thing and accepting whatever > > > > > > > comes one's way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reply to Mail 2 below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am replying publicly while keeping your anonymity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Yes, a blue light from a Shiva linga entered his mother when she > > > > > > > was pregnant with him. She also had darshan of many celestial beings on > > > > > > > a regular basis during her pregnancy, which stopped after the delivery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, Vishnu told his father in the dream at Gaya that you refer > > > > > > > to, that *he himself* would come as a son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are different indications, but what Ramakrishna himself > > > > > > > declared should be the final word. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. When I meditate deeply after homam or in general, I sometimes go > > > > > > > into a nice spiritual state. Though there was some desire to find some > > > > > > > principle based on abhisheka nakshatra *before* meditation started, it > > > > > > > completely vanished from my consciousness as meditation deepened and the > > > > > > > regular self-awareness vanished too. Then I was in a nice spiritual > > > > > > > state where the logical mind and intuitive mind were very very calm > > > > > > > without much mental activity. When I was coming back to a state of > > > > > > > normal self-awareness from such a state, I just became aware of a > > > > > > > thought. It felt like it was someone's thought just flowing in the > > > > > > > universe and I happened to be on the same wavelength and was able to > > > > > > > observe it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I only said I prayed to Parasara and this formula was given to me. I > > > > > > > did not say who gave it to me, because I do not know. But I express my > > > > > > > gratitude to Parasara, as I had prayed to him before and then this > > > > > > > thought came and moreover this principle is far more logical and far > > > > > > > more accurate than anything I was able to synthesize using my rational > > > > > > > and intuitive minds before. If one begged the king for money and > > > > > > > suddenly found a bag of gold coins thrown into one's backyard by an > > > > > > > unseen person, one will only thank the king. Especially if the coins > > > > > > > seem to be made of real gold.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. I am glad you were thinking along those lines! It shows you have > > > > > > > some really good samskaras guiding your instincts. You can ask Agni to > > > > > > > carry an oblation of ghee to various deities and rishis, without a > > > > > > > separate invocation. For example, if your gotra is Goutama, you can > > > > > > > offer an oblation in the fire while saying " om gautamaaya svaahaa. > > > > > > > gautamaayedam na mama " . Or, if you want to offer to Jupiter, you can > > > > > > > offer an oblation in the fire while saying " om bR^ihaspataye svaahaa. > > > > > > > bR^ihaspataya na mama " . You can do this after the main homam and before > > > > > > > you start the final offerings to Agni, Vaayu, Surya, Prajapati, Vishnu > > > > > > > and Shiva. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to specifically invoke, you can use the Ganesha > > > > > > > invocation from Krishna homam or Shiva homam manual as the template and > > > > > > > follow that procedure. Replace " oM gaM gaNapataye namaH " with " oM paM > > > > > > > paraasharaaya namaH " or just " oM paraasharaaya namaH " or the verse for > > > > > > > Parasara below. Irresepctive of the exact procedure you used, the keys > > > > > > > to success are (a) the strength of belief that Parasara is there in fire > > > > > > > and (b) respect and surrender for him. Use whatever procedure maximizes > > > > > > > those aspects in you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, rajarshi nandy rajarshi14@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Narasimha, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very good work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was trying this in some charts and most of them gave very > > > > > > > accurate results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a few queries: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If both condition (a) and condition (b) get fulfilled, can we > > > > > > > safely conclude that this person will attain to the highest spiritual > > > > > > > experience of Moksha? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) If only one condition is fulfilled, say the Vedha graha aspects > > > > > > > the 12th from Ak in D20, but is not connected to 5th and/or 9th in rasi, > > > > > > > or vice versa, can we conclude that the person is spiritual but may not > > > > > > > reach the highest realization? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) In case of no Vedha graha, does it indicate that this person > > > > > > > cannot attain moksha in that life time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Regards > > > > > > > > > > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail 2: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha, namaste & pranaams > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *The nature of this email is necessarily private. Do not quote > > > > > > > this email > > > > > > > > > > unless you feel some points/your reply to points would benefit a > > > > > > > larger > > > > > > > > > > section of society. Thanks in advance.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. I am so excited at your directly received revelation from > > > > > > > Maharishi > > > > > > > > > > Parasara! This indicates that vargas can be read as independent > > > > > > > charts and > > > > > > > > > > gives some valuable pointers as to how connections between rasi > > > > > > > and vargas > > > > > > > > > > can be synthesized. The tip of an iceberg is indicated here! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. It is mentioned (I cannot cite the reference) that a blue light > > > > > > > emanated > > > > > > > > > > out of the Shiva Linga when Sri Ramakrishna' s mother went to the > > > > > > > temple and > > > > > > > > > > the waves of the blue light passed into her. She felt as if she > > > > > > > was pregnant > > > > > > > > > > immediately. At the same time, Sri Ramakrishna' s father had a > > > > > > > dream at Gaya > > > > > > > > > > that Vishnu would bless him with an illustrious progeny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. The statement of Sanjay cited by you below is at best an > > > > > > > empirical > > > > > > > > > > statement. It does not give any criteria as to how the judgement > > > > > > > was arrived > > > > > > > > > > at. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. May I respectfully ask how you received the revelation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Nowadays I am performing the Ganesha homam weekly. I had been > > > > > > > toying with > > > > > > > > > > the idea of whether to invoke Maharishis Parasara and Jaimini in > > > > > > > the homam, > > > > > > > > > > bow before them and seek their blessings for studying the jyotisa > > > > > > > shastra. > > > > > > > > > > You indirectly answered the unspoken desire! How may I invoke > > > > > > > Maharishi > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini in the homan? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > > > > > <name deleted> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/9/09, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, vedic astrology@ . com, > > > > > > > , sjcBoston@grou ps.com, > > > > > > > sjc-guru@ s.com > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 8 September, 2009, 5:22 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sanjay and friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your book " Brihat Nakshatra " , you said regarding Ramakrishna > > > > > > > Paramhamsa's chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " In all my years of study and tens of thousands of charts, I have > > > > > > > never come across anything as close to this chart which represents a > > > > > > > perfect incarnation of Lord Shiva. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then you went on to talk about the " specific " form of " Shiva " > > > > > > > shown by the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, this is inconsistent with what Ramakrishna himself > > > > > > > revealed and religious authorities at his time opined. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Ramakrishna was on death bed with cancer, Narendra (Swami > > > > > > > Vivekananda) once thought to himself, " I will accept his divinity if he > > > > > > > declares his divinity *now*, inspite of this sickness and suffering. " As > > > > > > > if he detected the thought, Ramakrishna said to Narendra, " you still > > > > > > > have doubts? He who was Rama and Krishna before is in this body now. And > > > > > > > I do not mean it in your vedantic sense! " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By explicitly saying that he did not mean it in the vedantic sense > > > > > > > and referring to " He who was Rama and Krishna before " , he clearly > > > > > > > revealed that he was an incarnation of Lord Vishnu. Ramakrishna never > > > > > > > spoke a lie and valued truthfulness highly. The words of the realized > > > > > > > man in question himself must be more reliable than questionable and > > > > > > > unreliable astrological principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, a couple of great religious authorities of the time > > > > > > > studied Ramakrishna Paramahamsa in his younger days when he was being > > > > > > > trained by Bhairavi Brahmani and saw all behavioral signs and physical > > > > > > > marks that confirmed to them that he was an incarnation of Vishnu. They > > > > > > > declared him to be an incarnation of Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given these two facts, your conclusion cannot be correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda was inherently a jnaani. He rejected Maayaa and even > > > > > > > called Ramakrishna' s visions of various deities as hallucinations and > > > > > > > plays of the mind. He only accepted the formless. Ramakrishna slowly > > > > > > > created in him respect and love for Vishnu Maayaa that governs duality. > > > > > > > Well, it takes one with purified Vishnu tattva to create respect and > > > > > > > love for Vishnu Maayaa in one with raw Shiva tattva. Moreover, it was at > > > > > > > the Shiva temple at Amarnath in Himalayas that Vivekananda finally > > > > > > > realized his true nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Jupiter and Mercury are the natural guru and sishya and Jupiter > > > > > > > is supposed to show Sadashiva and Mercury is supposed to show Vishnu, > > > > > > > one may be tempted to theorize that Shiva is guru and Vishnu is sishya > > > > > > > and attribute Shiva tattva to guru in a guru-sishya pair. However, that > > > > > > > is no logic. Jupiter is not just Sadashiva, he is Jagannath too. Some of > > > > > > > Vishnu's avataras have been the greatest gurus. Krishna is the ultimate > > > > > > > jagadguru for his teaching of Bhagavad Gita, the greatest spiritual > > > > > > > teaching ever. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, take the example of another illustrious guru-sishya pair > > > > > > > from a few millennia back - Govinda Bhagavatpada and Aadi Shankara. > > > > > > > Govinda Bhagavatpada was a highly learned and elevated master. He too > > > > > > > had several great sishyas. His main sishya Aadi Shankara is considered > > > > > > > an incarnation of Lord Shiva and Govinda Bhagavatpada is considered to > > > > > > > be of Vishnu tattwa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one says that Govinda Bhagavatpada must have had an amsha of > > > > > > > Shiva (Jupiter) because he was the guru and that Aadi Shankara must have > > > > > > > had an amsha of Vishnu (Mercury) because he was the sishya, that would > > > > > > > be no logic at all! Shiva himself said that he would be born as Aadi > > > > > > > Shankara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, given the parallels between the lives of Aadi Shankara > > > > > > > and Vivekananda, it is possible that Vivekananda was a re-incarnation of > > > > > > > Aadi Shankara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > Abhisheka Nakshatra Principle > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said in the same book that abhisheka nakshatra's lord (as per > > > > > > > Vimsottari dasa lordship) being AK is the " first indication of a high > > > > > > > level soul having incarnated " . You use the charts of Ramakrishna and > > > > > > > Vivekananda and a questionable chart of Lord Krishna to justify it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there are many exampsles like Sarada Mata, Ramana > > > > > > > Maharshi, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada and Swami > > > > > > > Sivananda, which do not satisfy the criterion. All of them are > > > > > > > definitely " high level souls having incarnated " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, it is questionable to have such an important formula > > > > > > > based on " vimsottari lordships " , which is just a star-planet mapping for > > > > > > > one specific dasa scheme among many, as taught by Parasara. Secondly, > > > > > > > the space of Vimsottari lord of abhisheka nakshtra contains nine > > > > > > > planets, while the space of chara karakas contains eight planets. A > > > > > > > formula based on equating them is mixing up two unequal sets. That is > > > > > > > illogical. Moreover, this formula fails in many examples and works in > > > > > > > just two (third example is based on questionable data). Thus, it sounds > > > > > > > like a formula constructed based on an observation which was made based > > > > > > > on just 2-3 charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any genuine formula should work in a far higher percentage of > > > > > > > applicable charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried to find some reasonable and logical criterion based on > > > > > > > abhisheka nakshatra to find initial indications of a potential for > > > > > > > liberation, that works in all the charts I mentioned above. I was > > > > > > > unsuccessful. Each formula works in some and fails in some. The example > > > > > > > charts I chose are all unquestionably very high caliber spiritual > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After my failure, I bowed to Maharshi Parasara after a daily > > > > > > > Chandi homam and prayed to him to kindly show me a criterion based on > > > > > > > abhisheka nakshatra that works in a higher percentage of applicable > > > > > > > charts. The formula that was given to me is this: " The abhisheka > > > > > > > nakshatra - the 28th nakshatra - reckoned from chara aatma kaaraka has > > > > > > > aspect or vedha in sarvatobhadra chakra (SBC) from a planet that is also > > > > > > > associated with (a) the 12th house from chara aatma kaaraka in D-20 > > > > > > > chart and (b) 5th or 9th house from lagna in rasi chart. If chara aatma > > > > > > > kaaraka is Rahu, counting of the 28th star in SBC as well as counting of > > > > > > > the 12th house in D-20 is in anti-zodiacal order. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The D-20 is the chart of spiritual progress. The 12th house from > > > > > > > AK in it shows the liberation of individual soul as one progresses > > > > > > > spiritually. Similarly, SBC is the chakra in the nakshatra space and > > > > > > > abhisheka (28th) nakshatra from AK in it shows liberation of soul in the > > > > > > > nakshatra space. Planet having an influence on both the factors supports > > > > > > > spiritual liberation. The 5th and 9th from lagna show poorvapunya and > > > > > > > bhagya. If the same planet influences all the three factors, that planet > > > > > > > can suggest liberation. The reverse counting from Rahu is because Rahu > > > > > > > goes in reverse. Even when defining argala, Parasara asked to reckon > > > > > > > argalas and virodha argalas based on houses from Rahu and Ketu in > > > > > > > anti-zodiacal order. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, we are finding a planetary influence that brings poorvapunya > > > > > > > and bhagya (5th and 9th) to this specific existence (lagna) and promotes > > > > > > > liberation (12th house/28th star) of individual soul (AK) in the > > > > > > > conscious mental plane (SBC) and the plane of spiritual activity (D-20). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that this formula does not use Vimsottari dasa > > > > > > > lordships. It uses nakshatra chakra (SBC) for nakshatras and D-20 for > > > > > > > rasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the formula came to me, I tried it on the charts of > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Sarada Mata, Swami Vivekananda, Ramana > > > > > > > Maharshi, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada, Swami > > > > > > > Sivananda. It worked in all the charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarada Mata's AK is Moon. He is in Uttara Phalguni. The 28th star > > > > > > > from him is Poorva Phalguni. It has vedha only from Mars. In D-20, Moon > > > > > > > is in Ta and the 12th lord from him is Mars. In rasi, Mars is the 5th > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s AK is Rahu. He is in Krittika. The 28th star from > > > > > > > him counted anti-zodiacally is Rohini. It has vedha in SBC only from > > > > > > > Saturn. In D-20, Rahu is in Cp and the 12th house counted > > > > > > > anti-zodiacally is Aq. Saturn owns it. In rasi, Saturn occupies the 9th > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s AK is Sun. He is in Uttarashadha. The 28t star from > > > > > > > him is Poorvashadha. It has vedha in SBC only from Moon and Saturn. In > > > > > > > D-20, Sun is in Pi and Saturn is the 12th lord from him. In rasi, Saturn > > > > > > > occupies the 9th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharashi's AK is Moon. He is in Punarvasu. The 28th star > > > > > > > from him is Ardra. It has vedha from Sun and Rahu and aspect from > > > > > > > Jupiter in SBC. In D-20, Moon is in Aq and Jupiter and Rahu aspect Cp. > > > > > > > In rasi, Jupiter occupies the 5th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati's AK is Saturn. He is in Chitra. > > > > > > > The 28th star from him is Hasta. It has vedha from Rahu and Ketu and > > > > > > > aspect from Jupiter in SBC. In D-20, Saturn is in Cp and Jupiter owns > > > > > > > the 12th while Rahu and Ketu aspect it. In rasi, Jupiter owns 5th and > > > > > > > occupies 9th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Srila Prabhupada's AK is Rahu. He is in Dhanishtha. The 28th star > > > > > > > from him is Satabhishak. It has no vedha in SBC, but Sun aspects it. In > > > > > > > D-20, Rahu is in Sg. The 12th from him reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp > > > > > > > and Sun aspects it. In rasi, Sun is the 9th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Sivananda's AK is Sun. He is in Poorva Phalguni. The 28th > > > > > > > star from him is Magha. It has vedha from Moon and Rahu in SBC and > > > > > > > Saturn aspects it. In D-20, Sun is in Pi. The 12th from him is Aq. > > > > > > > Saturn and Rahu own it and Moon aspects it. In rasi, Moon is lagna lord > > > > > > > in 9th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshis who overcame the concept of Time and space-time > > > > > > > continuum when living here in a body can bless us even after they leave > > > > > > > earth. To those of you who do any kind of homam daily or weekly and want > > > > > > > to surrender to Parasara and get some blessings from him, I suggest > > > > > > > making 4 or 8 or 12 aahutis (oblations) of ghee at the beginning of > > > > > > > uttaraangam while saying one of the following: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daivavidbhyo varaM viGYaM shaktiputraM munIshvaraM > > > > > > > > > > horaa shaastra pravaktaaraM paraasharaM namaamyahaM. svaahaa. > > > > > > > paraasharaayedaM na mama. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om pam paraasharaaya namaH svaahaa. paraasharaayedaM na mama. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Namaste, RRji, To have in HIS Divine 'presence' one should get Pathavee promotion -Vaikunt/Siva lOk 'Charakaras' are not in useage in some parts of South India where I live; you may experiment mutatis mutandis to other charakara too. --- On Tue, 11/17/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani [vedic astrology] Re: What AmK and 6th from him mean vedic astrology Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 8:03 PM  vedic astrology, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > What a fountain of Wisdom your Guruji is/was, munisevitham jee! Next time you are in his Divine 'presence', please convey my 'pairi-panna' (pranaams). > > Thanks! > > RR P.S.: Sorry for the omission from earlier post! And, along similar lines perhaps from the other chara karakas as well! 6th from the remaining 7 karakaas as well! > > vedic astrology, KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM <munisevitham@ > wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > My Guru used say that from ones Lagna his quality of worshiping God > > could be seen,from 4th House could be seen that a person how > > frequent he is in his Devaalaya dharsanam / visits,from 5th House ones > > manthrO upadesa siddhi,from 9th House could be seen ones bhagya for > > Devaalaya prathishta, from 10th House could be seen ones bhagya for > > Deva pooja ,from 12th House ones practice in manthra uchaatana and > > their respective 6th house would depict the extent of ones captivated involvement in the activity referred to above.I think similar may be > > delineating practice based on AMK obtaining in some parts of North India. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Raghavan Karunakaram > > > > --- On Tue, 11/17/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > [vedic astrology] Re: What AmK and 6th from him mean > > vedic astrology > > Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 6:23 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biswa jee, > > > > > > > > I realize that, hence I had offered the 2nd paragraph to add clarity :-) > > > > > > > > I was not addressing the 6th from AmK observation by Rath ji, because it is not something that I have examined. There you would have to rely on Narasimha's earlier email with examples or test the rule yourself. > > > > > > > > Good luck in your investigations! > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " biswa108 " <biswa1975@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > NAMASKAR > > > > > > > > > > Good sharing Rohiniji, > > > > > > > > > > 6th house definitely manifest some dharmik work, but I think it is different from " 6th from Amatyakaraka " which was taught in " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " as " seeing deities of PALAN KARTA taking care for financial livelihood and sustenance of family " . > > > > > > > > > > hope you appreciate my sharing too... > > > > > > > > > > best regards, > > > > > Biswajit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Tenth being the strongest kendra and essentially a house that represents 'fructification' and concretization of Karma in a tangible and crystalline form, SIXTH which is tenth from ninth (Dharma, spirituality etc) perhaps may, generally speaking, represent the expression of the 9th in a tangible and concrete and visible form, Narasimha jee. Most individuals probably never go beyond the tangible, ritualistic, concrete form and expression of religion and spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am of course sharing what your posting made me think about and express and my words IN NO WAY must be taken as what Mr. Rath intended or whoever else meant to! > > > > > > > > > > > > From those two factors, namely, 10th being the strongest kendra and manifestation of karma, the SIXTH may indeed hold some important clues as to what the NINTH represents or manifests as! > > > > > > > > > > > > We would have to examine the sixth more carefully, of course! > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt Rath wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose and has > > > > > > > > ... It is another place for seeing God, spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seeing " spirituality " from the 6th house from AmK is a new idea introduced by Pt Rath and one without any demonstrated basis. It even contradicts his previous teachings that the 6th house from AmK shows material sustenance and shows a deity ( " paalana devata " ) that takes care of one's livelihood and sustenance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt Rath introduced a new principle based on it: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try this - If a strong planet is in the 6th house from Amatyakaraka in > > > > > > > > dashamsha, then the native will also do some good work in the spiritual > > > > > > > > path. This would be a more apt way of sayng things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Elvis Presley had Mars in own sign in the 6th house from AmK Jupiter, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a good man and a great entertainer, but he hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ronald Reagan had exalted Mercury in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a religious man, but he hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . He was an actor and a successful political leader. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Woody Allen has Saturn in an adhimitra rasi in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He is a famous and intelligent showman, but hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Dalmiya had exalted Ketu in the 6th house from AmK Sun, irrespective of whether one uses 7 or 8 or 7/8 chara karakas. He was a smart and controversial businessman, but he hardly did " some good work in the spiritual path " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, some people who devoted their lives to spiritual path and " did some good work " , such as Swami Vivekananda, Sarada Mata and Paramahamsa Yogananda, had no planets in the 6th house from AmK in D-10. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The new principle from Pt Rath neither works nor makes logical sense. Fundamentally, why see " spirituality " from the 6th house from Amk? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt Rath wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose and has > > > > > > > > *nothingto do with power and position* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said the 6th from AmK shows " power and position " . This is a misinterpretation of my words. When I suggested a principle by linking three parameters, this is what I wrote on each of the parameters in the original quoted mail: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " We are basically looking for synergy between (a) the professional (D-10) effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star), of the spirit of work in one (AmK), and the blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amatya Karaka (AmK) represents the spirit of work in one. The 6th house (overcoming obstacles) from him shows how one puts in effort to overcome obstacles. I did not say it shows power and posititon. We are looking for synergy between these parameters by way of common influences: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) The 6th house from AmK in D-10: Effort put in by the spirit of work in one in one's profession > > > > > > > (2) The 10th star from AmK in SBC: Mental activity of the spirit of work in one > > > > > > > (3) The trines from GL: The power and position one is blessed with at the physical level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found that a lot of successful people have a common influence on these parameters and so shared it. But I never said 6th from AmK shows " power " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reema wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) A more fundamental question is why is Palana Devata seen from the > > > > > > > > 6th? It relates to matters of sustenance. Then, why not 2nd from AmK? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good question! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest putting aside the notion that the 6th house from AmK governs " sustenance " and " livelihood " , as taught by Pt Rath in the past, and taking a fresh look at the matter. Given that Pt Rath now claims it shows " spirituality " suggests that he too is perhaps taking a fresh look! Then why should others be bogged down by his previous teachings? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parasara talked about seeing deities from the 12th house from AK and the 6th house from AmK. Parasara said well-placed Ketu with benefic influences in the 12th house from AK shows saayujya, moksha etc (different levels of liberation from the limited I-ness that we normally have). In general, he gave the idea that 12th from AK has to do with spiritual evolution and liberation and associated different deities with different planetary influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But he did not say what to see from the 6th from AmK and it is upto us to understand it! We have some clues. For example, Parasara said AK is like the king if a native's personality is a kingdom. And we know that " amaatya " means minister. We also know that Amatya Karaka was associated with career by many scholars in the past. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will share *my* opinion on what AmK stands for, based on my studies, contemplation and research. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AK shows Self or one's sense of I-ness (sense of " this is I " ). If a nativity is compared to a kingdom, then it makes sense to compare AK to the king as Parasara did. The I-ness is the ultimate controller of an individualized consciousness. The 12th house of loss or giving up from AK shows giving up I-ness and being liberated. No wonder Parasara used it in combinations involving saayujya, moksha etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one's existence as a being separate from Aatman/Brahman is analogous to a kingdom and the sense of self or I-ness is analogous to the king of that kingdom, then what is analogous to the minister? The sense of purpose or the sense of " this is the work I must accomplish " must be be analogous to the minister counseling the king. One's sense of purpose in life actively counsels one's I-ness to get various things done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, I suggest that AmK shows one's sense of purpose in life or the sense that " this is the work I must accomplish " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As the sense of purpose guides and influences the work that people do, no wonder many scholars associated AmK with profession in the past. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you look at things from the perspective of one's sense of purpose in life, the 2nd house of resources and food is also important as it shows what feeds one's sense of purpose in life. However, the 6th house is the most important as it shows the challenges and how they are overcome, to one's sense of purpose. The 6th house from AmK does not exactly show one's livelihood and material sustenance, but how one overcomes challenges to one's inner sense of purpose in life - what one views as " this is what I need to do " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The deity associated with the 6th from AmK enables one to overcome challenges and fulfil one's sense of purpose in life. The deity associated with the 12th from AK enables one to overcome I-ness and merge with god. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I replied to Reema's orginal mail of counter-examples in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings/message/ 16 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and explained how I reckon the 6th house from AmK in D-10. Most of the counter-examples were not really counter-examples as AmK was way too advanced in the sign and the 6th house extended way into the next sign compared to what Reema took. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 11/12/09, reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh@ > > > > > > > > Fwd: Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra > > > > > > > pvr108@ > > > > > > > Thursday, November 12, 2009, 11:12 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " reema_sriganesh " <reema_sriganesh@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krushna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sanjay Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for raising a pertinent question. I guess I should have asked > > > > > > > that, too, before checking the validity of this principle on charts. I > > > > > > > would be very interested to hear Narasimha Ji's reasoning as to why he > > > > > > > takes 6th from AmK to see power and influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next why the 6th house? It is because of the dictum *amatyadaase > > > > > > > chaivaM* which means > > > > > > > > we need to look at the 6th house from AmK ...forwhat? This has > > > > > > > reference to the previous > > > > > > > > sutra of Jaimini which relates to Istadevata. So, the 6th from AmK is > > > > > > > seen for spirituality > > > > > > > > purpose and has *nothingto do with power and position* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I am aware of the SJC teaching of seeing Palana Devata - more > > > > > > > specifically, a Devi form - from the 6th from AmK in Navamsa. I have > > > > > > > two questions, here: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) What does 6th from AmK have to do with spirituality? I mean, for a > > > > > > > spiritual person his/her palana is a manifestation of Devata's blessing. > > > > > > > I get that. But beyond this, how does Palana Devata lead one to be more > > > > > > > spiritual? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) A more fundamental question is why is Palana Devata seen from the > > > > > > > 6th? It relates to matters of sustenance. Then, why not 2nd from AmK? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > Reema. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Reema > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before I begin, I want to show my appreciation for your sincere > > > > > > > effort. First let us understand the principle concerned - Principle 2 is > > > > > > > what is being examined by you, so I will stick to that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The statement is - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Principle 2: PVR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned > > > > > > > from AmK in D-10 and the 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC have an influence of > > > > > > > the same planet and that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet is also associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one > > > > > > > rises to a position of power and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence in one's work. We are basically looking for synergy > > > > > > > between (a) the professional (D-10) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit > > > > > > > of work in one (AmK) and the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > POINT 1: In order to understand, we need to address the following - > > > > > > > why are we looking at the 6th house from Amatyakaraka? AmK related to > > > > > > > profession is something I have been *propagating* and can be stated as > > > > > > > another of *Rath's own teachings*. So, this statement means that, to a > > > > > > > limited extent my teaching/Puri teaching, is being accepted. Fine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next why the 6th house? It is because of the dictum *amatya daase > > > > > > > chaivaM* which means we need to look at the 6th house from AmK ....for > > > > > > > what? This has reference to the previous sutra of Jaimini which relates > > > > > > > to Ista devata. So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose > > > > > > > and has *nothing to do with power and position* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On this ground, I reject the principle as it lacks understanding of > > > > > > > the basic rules and the upadesha of Jaimini has been grossly > > > > > > > misinterpreted. Even Pasashara does not ask us to see the 6th house from > > > > > > > AmK for power, so why should we do it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > POINT 2: Karma Nakshatra is a well known point and this is nothing > > > > > > > new. Whether one is using the 28 star system or the 27 star system, this > > > > > > > nakshatra will always play a powerful role in life and will dicate Karma > > > > > > > (work). More details can be had from Brihat nakshatra Book. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > POINT 3: Trines to Ghatika Lagna is an attempt to hide the standard - > > > > > > > 1,5,7,9 house. In fact real power is in the 5th from ghatika lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...we can have so many other things from Vedic Astrology and then try > > > > > > > to put them together and create multiple rules. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ............ . MY VIEW........ .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reema, I never look for rules. There are millions of them in Vedic > > > > > > > Astrology.I look for principles underlying the rules andthis is what I > > > > > > > teach all the time. If one tries to mug up rules, they will fail whereas > > > > > > > the principles will always stand and help as they are based on > > > > > > > understanding and not just memory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally, please DO NOT look at 6th house Amatya Karaka for power. This > > > > > > > is preposterous idea. It is another place for seeing God, spirituality > > > > > > > and not power. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try this - If a strong planet is in the 6th house from Amatyakaraka in > > > > > > > dashamsha, then the native will also do some good work in the spiritual > > > > > > > path. This would be a more apt way of sayng things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 > > > > > > > 8762 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa. com; Books: > > > > > > > www.sagittariuspubl ications. com; Community: www.. org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ ..com] On > > > > > > > Behalf Of reema_sriganesh > > > > > > > > 10 November 2009 20:26 > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > > > Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krushna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Narasimha Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was catching up with the old emails on Sohamsa, and I came across > > > > > > > your messages elucidating the following two principles: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Principle 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The D-20 is the chart of spiritual progress. The 12th house from AK > > > > > > > in it shows the liberation of > > > > > > > > > individual soul as one progresses spiritually. Similarly, SBC is the > > > > > > > chakra in the nakshatra space and > > > > > > > > > abhisheka (28th) nakshatra from AK in it shows liberation of soul in > > > > > > > the nakshatra space. Planet > > > > > > > > > having an influence on both the factors supports spiritual > > > > > > > liberation. The 5th and 9th from lagna > > > > > > > > > show poorvapunya and bhagya. If the same planet influences all the > > > > > > > three factors, that planet can > > > > > > > > > suggest liberation. The reverse counting from Rahu is because Rahu > > > > > > > goes in reverse. Even when > > > > > > > > > defining argala, Parasara asked to reckon argalas and virodha > > > > > > > argalas based on houses from Rahu > > > > > > > > > and Ketu in anti-zodiacal order. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Principle 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned > > > > > > > from AmK in D-10 and the 10th > > > > > > > > > star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC have an influence of > > > > > > > the same planet and that > > > > > > > > > planet is also associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one > > > > > > > rises to a position of power and > > > > > > > > > influence in one's work. We are basically looking for synergy > > > > > > > between (a) the professional (D-10) > > > > > > > > > effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit > > > > > > > of work in one (AmK) and the > > > > > > > > > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I studied both these principles in several charts. I do not feel that > > > > > > > I can do any justice towards testing the first principle, because, after > > > > > > > all, who am I to pass a judgment about someone's spirituality and then > > > > > > > check the validity of my presumptuous opinion in their charts?! However, > > > > > > > I think I can do justice to testing the second principle that you > > > > > > > propose because power and influence, especially power, that an > > > > > > > individual wields is a tangible thing, and can be perceived by the > > > > > > > outside World. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You did provide 6 charts to support Principle 2. However, in my study > > > > > > > I have come across quite a few charts where this principle does not > > > > > > > work. Here are the examples of the charts where the principle does not > > > > > > > work. Please note that I used Jagannatha Ayanamsa and mixed 7/8 chara > > > > > > > karakas (as per your interpretation of Parasara). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Al Gore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 03/31/1948 > > > > > > > > ToB: 12:58 > > > > > > > > PoB: 77W02, 38N54 > > > > > > > > TZ: 5:00 Hrs. West of GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AmK is Budha. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Shani and Rahu and > > > > > > > is given rasi drishti by Shani and Surya. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the > > > > > > > 10th nakshatra from Purvabhadra (occupied by AmK Budha) is Punarvasu. > > > > > > > Punarvasu gets vedha from Budha, Guru, and Chandra. So, a common planet > > > > > > > is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work > > > > > > > in this chart of an American ex-vice president. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Abdul Kalam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 10/15/1931 > > > > > > > > ToB: 11:30 > > > > > > > > PoB: 79E18, 9N17 > > > > > > > > TZ: 5:30 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala and > > > > > > > Ketu, and is occupied by Guru. Budha and Chandra give rasi drishti. In > > > > > > > Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Visakha (occupied by AmK > > > > > > > Mangala) is Satabhishaka. Satabhishaka gets vedha from Shukra. So, a > > > > > > > common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle > > > > > > > does not work in this chart of an Indian ex-president. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Benazir Bhutto > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 06/21/1953 > > > > > > > > ToB: 20:16:03 > > > > > > > > PoB: Karachi, Pakistan > > > > > > > > TZ: 5 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AmK is Shukra. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and is > > > > > > > given rasi drishti by Surya, Shani, and Shukra. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, > > > > > > > the 10th nakshatra from Bharani (occupied by AmK Shukra) is > > > > > > > Purvaphalguni, which receives vedha from Ketu. So, a common planet is > > > > > > > not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in > > > > > > > this chart of a Pakistani ex-prime minister. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Boris Yeltsin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 02/01/1931 > > > > > > > > ToB: 17:00:00 > > > > > > > > PoB: 63E47, 56N47 > > > > > > > > TZ: 5 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Shani and occupied > > > > > > > by Chandra and Ketu. Shani, Budha, and Mangala give rasi drishti. In > > > > > > > Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Purvashadha (occupied by > > > > > > > AmK Shani) is Aswini receiving vedha from Chandra. Hence, there is a > > > > > > > common planet i.e. Chandra influencing these two hot spots. Let us see > > > > > > > if Chandra influences trikona from Ghati Lagna in rasi. Chandra is in > > > > > > > Vrishchika and GL is in Tula. Chandra, thus, does not associate in any > > > > > > > way to GL or its trikonas. The principle does not work in this chart of > > > > > > > a Russian ex-president. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) Donald Rumsfeld > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 07/09/1932 > > > > > > > > ToB: 17:40:00 > > > > > > > > PoB: 87W39, 41N51 > > > > > > > > TZ: 6 Hrs. West of GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Guru, and > > > > > > > occupied by Shani. Budha gives rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, > > > > > > > the 10th nakshatra from Rohini (occupied by AmK Mangala) is Hasta, which > > > > > > > receives vedha from Shukra. So, a common planet is not influencing the > > > > > > > first two hot spots. The principle does not work in this chart of an > > > > > > > American ex-secretary of defense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) Dudley Senanyake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 06/19/1911 > > > > > > > > ToB: 12:15:51 > > > > > > > > PoB: 79E51, 6N56 > > > > > > > > TZ: 5:30 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and Guru, > > > > > > > Chandra, Shani, Rahu, and Ketu give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra > > > > > > > Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Bharani (occupied by AmK Shani) is > > > > > > > Purvaphalguni, which receives drishti from Chandra. Hence, there is a > > > > > > > common planet i.e. Chandra influencing these two hot spots. Let us see > > > > > > > if Chandra influences trikona from Ghati Lagna in rasi. Chandra is in > > > > > > > Kumbha and GL is in Kanya. Chandra, thus, does not associate in any way > > > > > > > to GL or its trikonas. The principle does not work in this chart of a > > > > > > > Sri Lankan ex-prime minister. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7) Gerald Ford Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 07/14/1913 > > > > > > > > ToB: 0:41:00 > > > > > > > > PoB: 96W01, 41N17 > > > > > > > > TZ: 6 Hrs. West of GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned, and occupied by > > > > > > > Shukra. Shani, Chandra, and Budha give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra > > > > > > > Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Krittika (occupied by AmK Mangala) is > > > > > > > Uttaraphalguni, which receives vedha from Surya. So, a common planet is > > > > > > > not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in > > > > > > > this chart of an American ex-president. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8) Henry Kissinger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 05/27/1923 > > > > > > > > ToB: 5:30:00 > > > > > > > > PoB: Furth, Germany > > > > > > > > TZ: 1:00 Hrs. East of GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and > > > > > > > occupied by Guru. Shani, Shukra, and Chandra give rasi drishti. In > > > > > > > Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Hasta (occupied by AmK > > > > > > > Shani) is Abhijeet, which receives vedha from Surya, Budha, and Rahu. > > > > > > > So, a common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The > > > > > > > principle does not work in this chart of an American ex-secretary of > > > > > > > state. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I ran out of time to test this principle on *all* the > > > > > > > charts of politicians that I have. Also, I cannot vouch for the accuracy > > > > > > > of birth data that I have used. But I can say this - out of the 16 > > > > > > > charts I tested, 8 validated the principle, and 8 did not. The ones that > > > > > > > did validate the principle are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Adolf Hitler > > > > > > > > 2) Bill Bradley > > > > > > > > 3) Condelizza Rice > > > > > > > > 4) Dr. Murali Manohar Joshi > > > > > > > > 5) Elizabeth Dole > > > > > > > > 6) Franklin Delano Roosevelt > > > > > > > > 7) Jayalalitha > > > > > > > > 8) Abraham Lincoln > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the success rate for me was 50%. It also got me thinking that > > > > > > > perhaps we should use another varga instead of D-10? Say, D-5? D-5 > > > > > > > specifically deals with power and authority as per my understanding. You > > > > > > > have put forth two very interesting principles based on your research > > > > > > > and blessed intuition. I hope you do write a follow-up to my question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > Reema. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rajarshi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) Of course not. This is just a conducive factor. It makes sense > > > > > > > logically and it seems to work in several charts in which you would > > > > > > > expect it to apply. That's all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no view on (2) and (3). Obviously, I do not have all answers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I shared is the tip of the iceberg, just like the planetary > > > > > > > special lagna concepts that I illustrated using Ve7 as an example > > > > > > > sometime back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are so many reference points in charts, so many houses and so > > > > > > > many nakshatras. If one applies oneself intelligently and tests using > > > > > > > many examples, one can arrive at so many formulas using what I gave as a > > > > > > > template. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned > > > > > > > from AmK in D-10 and the 10th star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK > > > > > > > in SBC have an influence of the same planet and that planet is also > > > > > > > associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one rises to a position > > > > > > > of power and influence in one's work. We are basically looking for > > > > > > > synergy between (a) the professional (D-10) effort (6th) and (b) mental > > > > > > > (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit of work in one (AmK) and the > > > > > > > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nehru's AmK is Rahu. From Ardra containing Rahu, the 10th star > > > > > > > counted anti-zodiacally is Satabhishak. In SBC, it has vedha from > > > > > > > Mercury and Venus. In D-10, the 6th house from Li containing Rahu > > > > > > > counted anti-zodiacally is Ta. Venus owns it. In rasi chart, Venus is > > > > > > > the lord of GL and joins the lord of the 5th house from GL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indira Gandhi's AmK is Venus. From Poorvashadha containing Venus, > > > > > > > the 10th star is Aswini. In SBC, it has vedha from Mars and Jupiter. In > > > > > > > D-10, the 6th house from Cn containing Venus is Sg. Jupiter owns it. In > > > > > > > rasi chart, Jupiter is the 9th lord from GL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajiv Gandhi's AmK is Rahu. From Punarvasu containing Rahu, the 10th > > > > > > > star counted anti-zodiacally is Poorvabhadra. In SBC, it has vedha from > > > > > > > nodes and aspect from Mercury and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Pi > > > > > > > containing Rahu counted anti-zodiacally is Li. Mars and Mercury aspect > > > > > > > it from Ta. In rasi chart, Mervcury is the 9th lord from GL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PV Narasimha Rao's AmK is Venus. From Krittika containing Venus, the > > > > > > > 10th star is Uttara Phalguni. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and > > > > > > > aspect from Moon and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp containing > > > > > > > Venus is Ge owned by Mercury and only Mercury aspects it. In rasi chart, > > > > > > > Mercury is the dispositor of the 5th and 9th lords from GL and is with > > > > > > > them, aspecting GL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ronald Reagan's AmK is Sun. From Dhanishtha containing Sun, the 10th > > > > > > > star is Mrigasira. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and aspect from > > > > > > > Mars and Saturn. In D-10, the 6th house from Ar containing Sun is Vi > > > > > > > owned and occupied by Mercury and only Mars aspects it from Pi. In rasi > > > > > > > chart, Mercury and Mars are in GL and Mars owns the 5th from GL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George W Bush's AmK is Jupiter. From Chitra containing Jupiter, the > > > > > > > 10th star is Sravana. In SBC, it has vedha from none but aspected by > > > > > > > Mercury, Jupiter and Venus. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp containing > > > > > > > Jupiter is Ge owned by Mercury and aspected by Venus from Sg. In rasi > > > > > > > chart, Mercury and Venus are in the 9th house from GL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bottomline: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One may be able to unearth many ways to combine nakshatra chakra > > > > > > > (SBC), various divisional charts and rasi chart. What factor at the > > > > > > > mental level (SBC), what factor at the level of a specific environment > > > > > > > in life (i.e. a divisional chart, examples of various environments shown > > > > > > > in various divisional charts are - professional in D-10, parental in > > > > > > > D-12, educational in D-24, spiritual in D-20, financial in D-2 etc) and > > > > > > > what factor at the physical level (rasi chart) need to have a synergy, > > > > > > > in order to produce a specific result? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Rajarshi and other young sadhakas-cum- Jyotishis, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to humbly say a word on " research " . Please ignore my 2 cents > > > > > > > if this makes no sense to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was quite passionate about Jyotish research several years back and > > > > > > > used to spend a lot of time in research. I used to sleep at 3 am and get > > > > > > > up at 6 am. I used to spend long hours formulating principles and > > > > > > > testing them out on charts, changing JHora sometimes for it. After > > > > > > > coming home from work, I used to spend as much time on astrology study > > > > > > > and research, as I used to spend on my main profession during the day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After spiritual transformation in recent years, I stopped spending > > > > > > > that much time. However, the productivity of my Jyotish research went > > > > > > > up. Some ideas that struck to my mind at the end of nice meditation > > > > > > > sessions turned out to be good and simply worked in several charts that > > > > > > > I tried out later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you surrender to god and rishis, you will receive whatever > > > > > > > knowledge you need for your activities in this life. Have faith in god > > > > > > > and rishis and surrender. Also, it is important to approach Jyotish > > > > > > > knowledge with the spirit of a brahmana. Brahmana is one who cares about > > > > > > > nothing other than knowledge and liberation. Kshatriya is one who cares > > > > > > > about power, authority and control over others. Vaisya is one who cares > > > > > > > about money. Do not look at your Jyotish knowledge as a means to have > > > > > > > some control or authority over people and do not feel proud of your > > > > > > > knowledge, like a kshatriya. Also, do not look at your Jyotish knowledge > > > > > > > as a means to get money and try to increase your gains, like a vaishya. > > > > > > > Be a true braahmana in the prusuit of Jyotish knowledge and surrender to > > > > > > > god and rishis. Sky is the limit for you then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, it is also possible then that you lose interest in > > > > > > > Jyotish completely or partially and do not receive any or much Jyotish > > > > > > > knowledge. But so be it. As I said, you will receive " whatever knowledge > > > > > > > *you need* " . You don't know what you really need, but god does! Complete > > > > > > > surrender means not asking for any specific thing and accepting whatever > > > > > > > comes one's way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reply to Mail 2 below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am replying publicly while keeping your anonymity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Yes, a blue light from a Shiva linga entered his mother when she > > > > > > > was pregnant with him. She also had darshan of many celestial beings on > > > > > > > a regular basis during her pregnancy, which stopped after the delivery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, Vishnu told his father in the dream at Gaya that you refer > > > > > > > to, that *he himself* would come as a son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are different indications, but what Ramakrishna himself > > > > > > > declared should be the final word. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. When I meditate deeply after homam or in general, I sometimes go > > > > > > > into a nice spiritual state. Though there was some desire to find some > > > > > > > principle based on abhisheka nakshatra *before* meditation started, it > > > > > > > completely vanished from my consciousness as meditation deepened and the > > > > > > > regular self-awareness vanished too. Then I was in a nice spiritual > > > > > > > state where the logical mind and intuitive mind were very very calm > > > > > > > without much mental activity. When I was coming back to a state of > > > > > > > normal self-awareness from such a state, I just became aware of a > > > > > > > thought. It felt like it was someone's thought just flowing in the > > > > > > > universe and I happened to be on the same wavelength and was able to > > > > > > > observe it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I only said I prayed to Parasara and this formula was given to me. I > > > > > > > did not say who gave it to me, because I do not know. But I express my > > > > > > > gratitude to Parasara, as I had prayed to him before and then this > > > > > > > thought came and moreover this principle is far more logical and far > > > > > > > more accurate than anything I was able to synthesize using my rational > > > > > > > and intuitive minds before. If one begged the king for money and > > > > > > > suddenly found a bag of gold coins thrown into one's backyard by an > > > > > > > unseen person, one will only thank the king. Especially if the coins > > > > > > > seem to be made of real gold.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. I am glad you were thinking along those lines! It shows you have > > > > > > > some really good samskaras guiding your instincts. You can ask Agni to > > > > > > > carry an oblation of ghee to various deities and rishis, without a > > > > > > > separate invocation. For example, if your gotra is Goutama, you can > > > > > > > offer an oblation in the fire while saying " om gautamaaya svaahaa. > > > > > > > gautamaayedam na mama " . Or, if you want to offer to Jupiter, you can > > > > > > > offer an oblation in the fire while saying " om bR^ihaspataye svaahaa. > > > > > > > bR^ihaspataya na mama " . You can do this after the main homam and before > > > > > > > you start the final offerings to Agni, Vaayu, Surya, Prajapati, Vishnu > > > > > > > and Shiva. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to specifically invoke, you can use the Ganesha > > > > > > > invocation from Krishna homam or Shiva homam manual as the template and > > > > > > > follow that procedure. Replace " oM gaM gaNapataye namaH " with " oM paM > > > > > > > paraasharaaya namaH " or just " oM paraasharaaya namaH " or the verse for > > > > > > > Parasara below. Irresepctive of the exact procedure you used, the keys > > > > > > > to success are (a) the strength of belief that Parasara is there in fire > > > > > > > and (b) respect and surrender for him. Use whatever procedure maximizes > > > > > > > those aspects in you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, rajarshi nandy rajarshi14@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Narasimha, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very good work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was trying this in some charts and most of them gave very > > > > > > > accurate results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a few queries: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If both condition (a) and condition (b) get fulfilled, can we > > > > > > > safely conclude that this person will attain to the highest spiritual > > > > > > > experience of Moksha? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) If only one condition is fulfilled, say the Vedha graha aspects > > > > > > > the 12th from Ak in D20, but is not connected to 5th and/or 9th in rasi, > > > > > > > or vice versa, can we conclude that the person is spiritual but may not > > > > > > > reach the highest realization? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) In case of no Vedha graha, does it indicate that this person > > > > > > > cannot attain moksha in that life time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Regards > > > > > > > > > > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail 2: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha, namaste & pranaams > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *The nature of this email is necessarily private. Do not quote > > > > > > > this email > > > > > > > > > > unless you feel some points/your reply to points would benefit a > > > > > > > larger > > > > > > > > > > section of society. Thanks in advance.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. I am so excited at your directly received revelation from > > > > > > > Maharishi > > > > > > > > > > Parasara! This indicates that vargas can be read as independent > > > > > > > charts and > > > > > > > > > > gives some valuable pointers as to how connections between rasi > > > > > > > and vargas > > > > > > > > > > can be synthesized. The tip of an iceberg is indicated here! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. It is mentioned (I cannot cite the reference) that a blue light > > > > > > > emanated > > > > > > > > > > out of the Shiva Linga when Sri Ramakrishna' s mother went to the > > > > > > > temple and > > > > > > > > > > the waves of the blue light passed into her. She felt as if she > > > > > > > was pregnant > > > > > > > > > > immediately. At the same time, Sri Ramakrishna' s father had a > > > > > > > dream at Gaya > > > > > > > > > > that Vishnu would bless him with an illustrious progeny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. The statement of Sanjay cited by you below is at best an > > > > > > > empirical > > > > > > > > > > statement. It does not give any criteria as to how the judgement > > > > > > > was arrived > > > > > > > > > > at. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. May I respectfully ask how you received the revelation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Nowadays I am performing the Ganesha homam weekly. I had been > > > > > > > toying with > > > > > > > > > > the idea of whether to invoke Maharishis Parasara and Jaimini in > > > > > > > the homam, > > > > > > > > > > bow before them and seek their blessings for studying the jyotisa > > > > > > > shastra. > > > > > > > > > > You indirectly answered the unspoken desire! How may I invoke > > > > > > > Maharishi > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini in the homan? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > > > > > <name deleted> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/9/09, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, vedic astrology@ . com, > > > > > > > , sjcBoston@grou ps.com, > > > > > > > sjc-guru@ s.com > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 8 September, 2009, 5:22 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sanjay and friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your book " Brihat Nakshatra " , you said regarding Ramakrishna > > > > > > > Paramhamsa's chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " In all my years of study and tens of thousands of charts, I have > > > > > > > never come across anything as close to this chart which represents a > > > > > > > perfect incarnation of Lord Shiva. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then you went on to talk about the " specific " form of " Shiva " > > > > > > > shown by the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, this is inconsistent with what Ramakrishna himself > > > > > > > revealed and religious authorities at his time opined. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Ramakrishna was on death bed with cancer, Narendra (Swami > > > > > > > Vivekananda) once thought to himself, " I will accept his divinity if he > > > > > > > declares his divinity *now*, inspite of this sickness and suffering. " As > > > > > > > if he detected the thought, Ramakrishna said to Narendra, " you still > > > > > > > have doubts? He who was Rama and Krishna before is in this body now. And > > > > > > > I do not mean it in your vedantic sense! " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By explicitly saying that he did not mean it in the vedantic sense > > > > > > > and referring to " He who was Rama and Krishna before " , he clearly > > > > > > > revealed that he was an incarnation of Lord Vishnu. Ramakrishna never > > > > > > > spoke a lie and valued truthfulness highly. The words of the realized > > > > > > > man in question himself must be more reliable than questionable and > > > > > > > unreliable astrological principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, a couple of great religious authorities of the time > > > > > > > studied Ramakrishna Paramahamsa in his younger days when he was being > > > > > > > trained by Bhairavi Brahmani and saw all behavioral signs and physical > > > > > > > marks that confirmed to them that he was an incarnation of Vishnu. They > > > > > > > declared him to be an incarnation of Vishnu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given these two facts, your conclusion cannot be correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda was inherently a jnaani. He rejected Maayaa and even > > > > > > > called Ramakrishna' s visions of various deities as hallucinations and > > > > > > > plays of the mind. He only accepted the formless. Ramakrishna slowly > > > > > > > created in him respect and love for Vishnu Maayaa that governs duality. > > > > > > > Well, it takes one with purified Vishnu tattva to create respect and > > > > > > > love for Vishnu Maayaa in one with raw Shiva tattva. Moreover, it was at > > > > > > > the Shiva temple at Amarnath in Himalayas that Vivekananda finally > > > > > > > realized his true nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Jupiter and Mercury are the natural guru and sishya and Jupiter > > > > > > > is supposed to show Sadashiva and Mercury is supposed to show Vishnu, > > > > > > > one may be tempted to theorize that Shiva is guru and Vishnu is sishya > > > > > > > and attribute Shiva tattva to guru in a guru-sishya pair. However, that > > > > > > > is no logic. Jupiter is not just Sadashiva, he is Jagannath too. Some of > > > > > > > Vishnu's avataras have been the greatest gurus. Krishna is the ultimate > > > > > > > jagadguru for his teaching of Bhagavad Gita, the greatest spiritual > > > > > > > teaching ever. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, take the example of another illustrious guru-sishya pair > > > > > > > from a few millennia back - Govinda Bhagavatpada and Aadi Shankara. > > > > > > > Govinda Bhagavatpada was a highly learned and elevated master. He too > > > > > > > had several great sishyas. His main sishya Aadi Shankara is considered > > > > > > > an incarnation of Lord Shiva and Govinda Bhagavatpada is considered to > > > > > > > be of Vishnu tattwa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one says that Govinda Bhagavatpada must have had an amsha of > > > > > > > Shiva (Jupiter) because he was the guru and that Aadi Shankara must have > > > > > > > had an amsha of Vishnu (Mercury) because he was the sishya, that would > > > > > > > be no logic at all! Shiva himself said that he would be born as Aadi > > > > > > > Shankara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, given the parallels between the lives of Aadi Shankara > > > > > > > and Vivekananda, it is possible that Vivekananda was a re-incarnation of > > > > > > > Aadi Shankara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > Abhisheka Nakshatra Principle > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said in the same book that abhisheka nakshatra's lord (as per > > > > > > > Vimsottari dasa lordship) being AK is the " first indication of a high > > > > > > > level soul having incarnated " . You use the charts of Ramakrishna and > > > > > > > Vivekananda and a questionable chart of Lord Krishna to justify it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there are many exampsles like Sarada Mata, Ramana > > > > > > > Maharshi, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada and Swami > > > > > > > Sivananda, which do not satisfy the criterion. All of them are > > > > > > > definitely " high level souls having incarnated " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, it is questionable to have such an important formula > > > > > > > based on " vimsottari lordships " , which is just a star-planet mapping for > > > > > > > one specific dasa scheme among many, as taught by Parasara. Secondly, > > > > > > > the space of Vimsottari lord of abhisheka nakshtra contains nine > > > > > > > planets, while the space of chara karakas contains eight planets. A > > > > > > > formula based on equating them is mixing up two unequal sets. That is > > > > > > > illogical. Moreover, this formula fails in many examples and works in > > > > > > > just two (third example is based on questionable data). Thus, it sounds > > > > > > > like a formula constructed based on an observation which was made based > > > > > > > on just 2-3 charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any genuine formula should work in a far higher percentage of > > > > > > > applicable charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried to find some reasonable and logical criterion based on > > > > > > > abhisheka nakshatra to find initial indications of a potential for > > > > > > > liberation, that works in all the charts I mentioned above. I was > > > > > > > unsuccessful. Each formula works in some and fails in some. The example > > > > > > > charts I chose are all unquestionably very high caliber spiritual > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After my failure, I bowed to Maharshi Parasara after a daily > > > > > > > Chandi homam and prayed to him to kindly show me a criterion based on > > > > > > > abhisheka nakshatra that works in a higher percentage of applicable > > > > > > > charts. The formula that was given to me is this: " The abhisheka > > > > > > > nakshatra - the 28th nakshatra - reckoned from chara aatma kaaraka has > > > > > > > aspect or vedha in sarvatobhadra chakra (SBC) from a planet that is also > > > > > > > associated with (a) the 12th house from chara aatma kaaraka in D-20 > > > > > > > chart and (b) 5th or 9th house from lagna in rasi chart. If chara aatma > > > > > > > kaaraka is Rahu, counting of the 28th star in SBC as well as counting of > > > > > > > the 12th house in D-20 is in anti-zodiacal order. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The D-20 is the chart of spiritual progress. The 12th house from > > > > > > > AK in it shows the liberation of individual soul as one progresses > > > > > > > spiritually. Similarly, SBC is the chakra in the nakshatra space and > > > > > > > abhisheka (28th) nakshatra from AK in it shows liberation of soul in the > > > > > > > nakshatra space. Planet having an influence on both the factors supports > > > > > > > spiritual liberation. The 5th and 9th from lagna show poorvapunya and > > > > > > > bhagya. If the same planet influences all the three factors, that planet > > > > > > > can suggest liberation. The reverse counting from Rahu is because Rahu > > > > > > > goes in reverse. Even when defining argala, Parasara asked to reckon > > > > > > > argalas and virodha argalas based on houses from Rahu and Ketu in > > > > > > > anti-zodiacal order. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, we are finding a planetary influence that brings poorvapunya > > > > > > > and bhagya (5th and 9th) to this specific existence (lagna) and promotes > > > > > > > liberation (12th house/28th star) of individual soul (AK) in the > > > > > > > conscious mental plane (SBC) and the plane of spiritual activity (D-20). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that this formula does not use Vimsottari dasa > > > > > > > lordships. It uses nakshatra chakra (SBC) for nakshatras and D-20 for > > > > > > > rasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the formula came to me, I tried it on the charts of > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Sarada Mata, Swami Vivekananda, Ramana > > > > > > > Maharshi, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada, Swami > > > > > > > Sivananda. It worked in all the charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarada Mata's AK is Moon. He is in Uttara Phalguni. The 28th star > > > > > > > from him is Poorva Phalguni. It has vedha only from Mars. In D-20, Moon > > > > > > > is in Ta and the 12th lord from him is Mars. In rasi, Mars is the 5th > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna' s AK is Rahu. He is in Krittika. The 28th star from > > > > > > > him counted anti-zodiacally is Rohini. It has vedha in SBC only from > > > > > > > Saturn. In D-20, Rahu is in Cp and the 12th house counted > > > > > > > anti-zodiacally is Aq. Saturn owns it. In rasi, Saturn occupies the 9th > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s AK is Sun. He is in Uttarashadha. The 28t star from > > > > > > > him is Poorvashadha. It has vedha in SBC only from Moon and Saturn. In > > > > > > > D-20, Sun is in Pi and Saturn is the 12th lord from him. In rasi, Saturn > > > > > > > occupies the 9th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharashi's AK is Moon. He is in Punarvasu. The 28th star > > > > > > > from him is Ardra. It has vedha from Sun and Rahu and aspect from > > > > > > > Jupiter in SBC. In D-20, Moon is in Aq and Jupiter and Rahu aspect Cp. > > > > > > > In rasi, Jupiter occupies the 5th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati's AK is Saturn. He is in Chitra. > > > > > > > The 28th star from him is Hasta. It has vedha from Rahu and Ketu and > > > > > > > aspect from Jupiter in SBC. In D-20, Saturn is in Cp and Jupiter owns > > > > > > > the 12th while Rahu and Ketu aspect it. In rasi, Jupiter owns 5th and > > > > > > > occupies 9th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Srila Prabhupada's AK is Rahu. He is in Dhanishtha. The 28th star > > > > > > > from him is Satabhishak. It has no vedha in SBC, but Sun aspects it. In > > > > > > > D-20, Rahu is in Sg. The 12th from him reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp > > > > > > > and Sun aspects it. In rasi, Sun is the 9th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Sivananda's AK is Sun. He is in Poorva Phalguni. The 28th > > > > > > > star from him is Magha. It has vedha from Moon and Rahu in SBC and > > > > > > > Saturn aspects it. In D-20, Sun is in Pi. The 12th from him is Aq. > > > > > > > Saturn and Rahu own it and Moon aspects it. In rasi, Moon is lagna lord > > > > > > > in 9th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshis who overcame the concept of Time and space-time > > > > > > > continuum when living here in a body can bless us even after they leave > > > > > > > earth. To those of you who do any kind of homam daily or weekly and want > > > > > > > to surrender to Parasara and get some blessings from him, I suggest > > > > > > > making 4 or 8 or 12 aahutis (oblations) of ghee at the beginning of > > > > > > > uttaraangam while saying one of the following: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daivavidbhyo varaM viGYaM shaktiputraM munIshvaraM > > > > > > > > > > horaa shaastra pravaktaaraM paraasharaM namaamyahaM. svaahaa. > > > > > > > paraasharaayedaM na mama. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om pam paraasharaaya namaH svaahaa. paraasharaayedaM na mama. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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