Sidhantakars were unaware of precession of equinoxes.

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Shri T. V. Sivaramanji,

 

Jai Shri Ram!

 

Your efforts in propagating the right type of Hindu calendar in different

forums are really appreciable. Such efforts are bound to result in a mass

awareness, and may even compel " Vedic astrologers " also to do a lot of

rethinking on their stands till date.

 

I would like to just make a small clarification (which does not necessarily

mean a correction to your or Shri Darshaney Lokesh's stand!) regarding your

following statement, " Yes, for well over 1400 years we failed to correct our

calendars (panchangas), for what is known as the precession of the

equinoxes. Our panchangakars take the length of the year to be 365.258756

days as given in the Surya siddhanta of about 500 A.D., while the correct

length of the tropical year, which alone can be used according to the same

siddhanta and modern astronomy, for calendrical use, is 365.242196 days.

The difference of .01656 days is partly due to errors of observation and

failure to recognize the precession of the equinoxes. This modicum of

difference has now grossed up to about 23.2 days, with the result the Indian

solar year instead of starting on the day following the vernal equinox (

vasantha vishu ) on March 22, starts now on April 13 or 14. "

 

In fact, precession of equinoxes has absolutely nothing to do with the Hindu

calendar having gone off the track! The Surya Sidhanta, Aryabhatti,

Brahma-sphuta sidhanta and even Munjala's Laghu Manasa have had absolutely

no idea about precession! It was actually just a calculation mistake on the

part of the Surya Sidhanta, since though it advocated a seasonal year, by

claiming that Makar Sankranti was the shortest day of the year, but the

duration of the year that it gave is more than even that of a sidereal year!

That very mistake was replicated/repeated by all the later sidhantas! You

may be surprised to know that those sidhantakars also had absolutely no idea

about a sidereal year, or for that matter, even a tropical year! It was

just the duration of the sun moving from one Uttarayana to another or from

one Vernal Equinox to another that was known as duration of a solar year

according to them. And that is what is actually known as seasonal or

tropical year in modern astronomy!

 

When Munjala suggested an ayanamsha of one arc-minute per year from Shaka

444 to be added to the calculated longitudes of the Sun and other planets,

it was only because he felt that the Mesha Sankranti was taking place

earlier by about seven days in tenth century AD as per the Surya

Sidhanta/Aryabhati calculations than the actual phenomenon. He translated

that difference of time into degrees and called that difference as

ayanamsha! It has absolutely nothing to do with precession! The rest of

the planets other than the sun, are not " drik-tulya " even after Ayanamsha

corrections as suggested by Munjala, since those planetary longitudes are

neither sidereal nor tropical,

 

Regarding the lack of knowledge of precession by Maya the mlechha, it is

evident from the three interpolated shlokas 9-11 in Triprashnadhikara

reading, " trimshat kritya yuga bhanam.. " . As per those shlokas, the

" ayanamsha is moving like a pendulum from zero to 27 degrees plus and then

27 degrees minus " , whereas precession is unidirectional! It means that even

as late as after tenth century AD (post Munjala's discovery of Ayanamsha),

when those interpolations had been made in the Surya Sidhanta, even the

interpolator had no idea about precession, since he would not have made that

correction of 27 degrees plus and/or minus, but made it unidirectional.

Besides, if those shlokas had been present in the original surya sidhanta,

one or the other sidhanta-kara, whether Aryabhata or Brahmagupta or even

Munjala would definitely have mentioned them. But we do not find any

indication in any of those sidhantas till the time of Bhaskara-II!

 

Secondly, whatever some extraordinary scholars of the Surya Sidhanta may

say, the Ayansmaha derived from those three interpolated sholkas as on date

is different by about 46 degrees from Lahiri Ayanamsha, whereas those

" scholars " and even the Hindi translators of Narada Purana of Gita Press are

presenting it in a manner as if it is just a degree or so less than

" almighty " Lahiri ayanamsha, which is -24 degrees ---which means that we

have to subtract about 24 degrees as on date from " driktulya " longitudes to

make them " almighty " Lahiri longitudes! Those scholars and translators are

either deliberately misinterpreting even those interpolated shlokas or they

have actually no idea either about precession or the intricate calculations

of those interpolated shlokas either. Surprisingly, those scholars are yet

to tell us as to what the purpose of that ayanamsha in the Surya Sidhanta

is: ( i) Whether it is to be added to the surya sidhanta longitudes to make

them driktulya as on date, or (ii) whether it is to be subtracted from the

" driktulya longitudes " to make them tally with the Surya Sidhanta

longitudes, like " almighty " Lahir Ayanamsha or (iii) does it have some other

purpose!

 

As such, it is necessary for a common man to know/understand that the Hindu

calendar has suffered not because of precession of equinoxes, but because

Maya the melchha made a fool of the Hindu community when he claimed that he

had obtained that planetary knowledge directly from Surya Bhagwan, which

made god-fearing Hindus reluctant to question the accuracy of the Surya

Sidhanta data/details.

 

That precession has absolutely nothing to do with planetary calculations of

the Surya Sidhanta will be evident from the fact that even after making

ayanamsha corrections or even precessional corrections to the longitudes of

planets other than the sun, those planets are far from being " Drik-tulya "

actually. This anybody can verify from Mahesh.exe program from

Hinducalendar forum.

 

So we have to delink the Hindu calendar as much from precession jargon as

from the Surya Sidhanta!

 

Jai Shri Ram!

 

A K Kaul

 

 

 

 

 

USBrahmins , SIVA EXPORIUM <sivaexpo wrote:Should

we continue to celebrate all our festivals on wrong days?

 

 

 

Do you know that we Hindus are celebrating all our festivals now on wrong

dates? Do you know that when you are said to be born under a particular star

( nakshatra), actually your birth star may be some thing else and not the

one you are supposed to have been born under? Do you realise that due to

such a discrepancy in taking correct star (nakshatra ), we are unable to

select a proper muhurth for any purpose?

 

 

 

Yes, for well over 1400 years we failed to correct our calendars

(panchangas), for what is known as the precession of the equinoxes. Our

panchangakars take the length of the year to be 365.258756 days as given in

the Surya siddhanta of about 500 A.D., while the correct length of the

tropical year, which alone can be used according to the same siddhanta and

modern astronomy, for calindrical use, is 365.242196 days. The difference of

..01656 days is partly due to errors of observation and failure to recognize

the precession of the equinoxes. This modicum of difference has now grossed

up to about 23.2 days, with the result the Indian solar year instead of

starting on the day following the vernal equinox ( vasantha vishu ) on March

22, starts now on April 13 or 14.

 

 

 

The Brahmin community, as practitioners of the Vedic religion of sanathana

dharma, has a duty to uphold Vedic values. If they follow dharma, every

other section of the Hindu community will automatically follow the path of

dharma. It is therefore the maiden duty of the Brahmins to help reform our

time reckoning.

 

 

 

Have you heard of Madhu, Mdhava, Sukra, Suchi, Nabhas, Nabhasya, Isa, Urja,

Sahas, Sahasya, Tapas and Tapasya? Yes, these are the names of the months

as prescribed in our Vedas (Yajur Veda Taittriya samhita 4.4.11) But

instead we use the Greek origin translated terms such as Mesha, Rishaba etc.

Should we not be saying at least our samkalpas with the names that are given

in the Vedas?

 

 

 

The Vedas have mentioned 28 nakshatras including Abhijit. Each group of

stars has a different longitudinal span. Today we take 13 degree 20' span as

an average per star and calculate 2.25 stars for 30 degrees or a " Rashi "

(which is again a non-vedic adopted term). But when some stars are more than

double the average span and some less than half the average, how can you be

sure that you are born under the particular star on the present basis of

calculation?

 

 

 

Saka samvatsara year is 1931 for English year 2009. On March 16, 2010

Prabhavati year " Krodhi " begins (Saka1932/Vikram Samvat 2067). But due to

the difference in the initial fixation (Saka 1876 -1954-55 AD -- was named

41 Plavanga in northern India and 28 Jaya in the south) there is a

difference of one year in the north and 13 years in the south. Actually the

sixty- year cycle is based on the transit of Jupiter. Jupiter should transit

the Aquarius (kumbha ) sign and simultaneously when the sun transits Mesha

(Vishu sampat ), the Kumbha mela is held in Haridwar, a very auspicious

event for the Hindus. This should have been on March 21, 2009. But alas it

is going to be celebrated in March 2010 when Jupiter is actually in Pisces

(Meena )! This is how all our rituals and festivals are now-a-days

celebrated in Bharatha varsha.

 

 

 

To end all these anomalies and errors and for re-establishing sanathana

dharma on the correct path and unify the Hindu community of both the north

and south, a new panchanga has taken shape in the form of

 

 

 

" Sri Mohan Krity Aarsh Tithi Patrak " .

 

 

 

Here the months are Vedic, dates are called gatey( in the sense of the

Sanskrit word Gatih), nakshatras are as per their actual span, timings are

given in hours and minuts, (not nazhiga and vinazhiga), thithis are

mentioned correctly as per their duration. Corresponding English dates are

also provided. Festivals dates are mentioned correctly as per shastric

formulations. " Sri Mohan Krity Aarsh Tithi Patrak " is published by Acharya

Sri Darshaney Lokeshji of C-276, Gama-1, Greater Noida ( UP ) PIN-201310.

Phone:01206544628, +91 9412354036. darshaneylokesh

 

 

 

The Tithi Patrak for the next year is getting ready and I would urge all

members of the Brahmin community especially the purohits. to make use of it

in all our samkalpas - vedic months names, thithi, vara, nakshatra etc.

Please do not use the Rasi names as it is not vedic. (there is no mention of

any rasi or planets other than the sun and moon , in any of our Vedas.)

 

 

 

Let us forge a new erea in our chronology.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear shri Kaulji,

Shri T. V. Sivaramanji is correct to say that the problem is created by

precession. You are instead surely twisting the facts.

Your following statement also implies that vedanga jyotish too made a mistake in

saying that, 'when the sun and the moon are in dhanistha,....uttarayan starts.'

Even till the sidhantas this concept of uttaryan being when the sun was in

dhanistha remained, as quoted by Brahnmihir.

 

<It was actually just a calculation mistake on the

part of the Surya Sidhanta, since though it advocated a seasonal year, by

claiming that Makar Sankranti was the shortest day of the year>

 

Unable to understand the coordinated Vedic system which coordinates both the

sayna and the nirayan concepts, you are trying to create a completely new

Christian vedic calendar for yourself and those who follow you.If not please

explain, according to your version, how Vedanga jyotish can be correct with sun

in dhanistha as uttrayan, whereas sun in nirayan makar sankranti cannot be

uttaryan in the sidhantas? Thank you in advance.

Regards,

Hari Malla

 

, " jyotirved " <jyotirved wrote:

>

> Shri T. V. Sivaramanji,

>

> Jai Shri Ram!

>

> Your efforts in propagating the right type of Hindu calendar in different

> forums are really appreciable. Such efforts are bound to result in a mass

> awareness, and may even compel " Vedic astrologers " also to do a lot of

> rethinking on their stands till date.

>

> I would like to just make a small clarification (which does not necessarily

> mean a correction to your or Shri Darshaney Lokesh's stand!) regarding your

> following statement, " Yes, for well over 1400 years we failed to correct our

> calendars (panchangas), for what is known as the precession of the

> equinoxes. Our panchangakars take the length of the year to be 365.258756

> days as given in the Surya siddhanta of about 500 A.D., while the correct

> length of the tropical year, which alone can be used according to the same

> siddhanta and modern astronomy, for calendrical use, is 365.242196 days.

> The difference of .01656 days is partly due to errors of observation and

> failure to recognize the precession of the equinoxes. This modicum of

> difference has now grossed up to about 23.2 days, with the result the Indian

> solar year instead of starting on the day following the vernal equinox (

> vasantha vishu ) on March 22, starts now on April 13 or 14. "

>

> In fact, precession of equinoxes has absolutely nothing to do with the Hindu

> calendar having gone off the track! The Surya Sidhanta, Aryabhatti,

> Brahma-sphuta sidhanta and even Munjala's Laghu Manasa have had absolutely

> no idea about precession! It was actually just a calculation mistake on the

> part of the Surya Sidhanta, since though it advocated a seasonal year, by

> claiming that Makar Sankranti was the shortest day of the year, but the

> duration of the year that it gave is more than even that of a sidereal year!

> That very mistake was replicated/repeated by all the later sidhantas! You

> may be surprised to know that those sidhantakars also had absolutely no idea

> about a sidereal year, or for that matter, even a tropical year! It was

> just the duration of the sun moving from one Uttarayana to another or from

> one Vernal Equinox to another that was known as duration of a solar year

> according to them. And that is what is actually known as seasonal or

> tropical year in modern astronomy!

>

> When Munjala suggested an ayanamsha of one arc-minute per year from Shaka

> 444 to be added to the calculated longitudes of the Sun and other planets,

> it was only because he felt that the Mesha Sankranti was taking place

> earlier by about seven days in tenth century AD as per the Surya

> Sidhanta/Aryabhati calculations than the actual phenomenon. He translated

> that difference of time into degrees and called that difference as

> ayanamsha! It has absolutely nothing to do with precession! The rest of

> the planets other than the sun, are not " drik-tulya " even after Ayanamsha

> corrections as suggested by Munjala, since those planetary longitudes are

> neither sidereal nor tropical,

>

> Regarding the lack of knowledge of precession by Maya the mlechha, it is

> evident from the three interpolated shlokas 9-11 in Triprashnadhikara

> reading, " trimshat kritya yuga bhanam.. " . As per those shlokas, the

> " ayanamsha is moving like a pendulum from zero to 27 degrees plus and then

> 27 degrees minus " , whereas precession is unidirectional! It means that even

> as late as after tenth century AD (post Munjala's discovery of Ayanamsha),

> when those interpolations had been made in the Surya Sidhanta, even the

> interpolator had no idea about precession, since he would not have made that

> correction of 27 degrees plus and/or minus, but made it unidirectional.

> Besides, if those shlokas had been present in the original surya sidhanta,

> one or the other sidhanta-kara, whether Aryabhata or Brahmagupta or even

> Munjala would definitely have mentioned them. But we do not find any

> indication in any of those sidhantas till the time of Bhaskara-II!

>

> Secondly, whatever some extraordinary scholars of the Surya Sidhanta may

> say, the Ayansmaha derived from those three interpolated sholkas as on date

> is different by about 46 degrees from Lahiri Ayanamsha, whereas those

> " scholars " and even the Hindi translators of Narada Purana of Gita Press are

> presenting it in a manner as if it is just a degree or so less than

> " almighty " Lahiri ayanamsha, which is -24 degrees ---which means that we

> have to subtract about 24 degrees as on date from " driktulya " longitudes to

> make them " almighty " Lahiri longitudes! Those scholars and translators are

> either deliberately misinterpreting even those interpolated shlokas or they

> have actually no idea either about precession or the intricate calculations

> of those interpolated shlokas either. Surprisingly, those scholars are yet

> to tell us as to what the purpose of that ayanamsha in the Surya Sidhanta

> is: ( i) Whether it is to be added to the surya sidhanta longitudes to make

> them driktulya as on date, or (ii) whether it is to be subtracted from the

> " driktulya longitudes " to make them tally with the Surya Sidhanta

> longitudes, like " almighty " Lahir Ayanamsha or (iii) does it have some other

> purpose!

>

> As such, it is necessary for a common man to know/understand that the Hindu

> calendar has suffered not because of precession of equinoxes, but because

> Maya the melchha made a fool of the Hindu community when he claimed that he

> had obtained that planetary knowledge directly from Surya Bhagwan, which

> made god-fearing Hindus reluctant to question the accuracy of the Surya

> Sidhanta data/details.

>

> That precession has absolutely nothing to do with planetary calculations of

> the Surya Sidhanta will be evident from the fact that even after making

> ayanamsha corrections or even precessional corrections to the longitudes of

> planets other than the sun, those planets are far from being " Drik-tulya "

> actually. This anybody can verify from Mahesh.exe program from

> Hinducalendar forum.

>

> So we have to delink the Hindu calendar as much from precession jargon as

> from the Surya Sidhanta!

>

> Jai Shri Ram!

>

> A K Kaul

>

>

>

>

>

> USBrahmins , SIVA EXPORIUM <sivaexpo@> wrote:Should

> we continue to celebrate all our festivals on wrong days?

>

>

>

> Do you know that we Hindus are celebrating all our festivals now on wrong

> dates? Do you know that when you are said to be born under a particular star

> ( nakshatra), actually your birth star may be some thing else and not the

> one you are supposed to have been born under? Do you realise that due to

> such a discrepancy in taking correct star (nakshatra ), we are unable to

> select a proper muhurth for any purpose?

>

>

>

> Yes, for well over 1400 years we failed to correct our calendars

> (panchangas), for what is known as the precession of the equinoxes. Our

> panchangakars take the length of the year to be 365.258756 days as given in

> the Surya siddhanta of about 500 A.D., while the correct length of the

> tropical year, which alone can be used according to the same siddhanta and

> modern astronomy, for calindrical use, is 365.242196 days. The difference of

> .01656 days is partly due to errors of observation and failure to recognize

> the precession of the equinoxes. This modicum of difference has now grossed

> up to about 23.2 days, with the result the Indian solar year instead of

> starting on the day following the vernal equinox ( vasantha vishu ) on March

> 22, starts now on April 13 or 14.

>

>

>

> The Brahmin community, as practitioners of the Vedic religion of sanathana

> dharma, has a duty to uphold Vedic values. If they follow dharma, every

> other section of the Hindu community will automatically follow the path of

> dharma. It is therefore the maiden duty of the Brahmins to help reform our

> time reckoning.

>

>

>

> Have you heard of Madhu, Mdhava, Sukra, Suchi, Nabhas, Nabhasya, Isa, Urja,

> Sahas, Sahasya, Tapas and Tapasya? Yes, these are the names of the months

> as prescribed in our Vedas (Yajur Veda Taittriya samhita 4.4.11) But

> instead we use the Greek origin translated terms such as Mesha, Rishaba etc.

> Should we not be saying at least our samkalpas with the names that are given

> in the Vedas?

>

>

>

> The Vedas have mentioned 28 nakshatras including Abhijit. Each group of

> stars has a different longitudinal span. Today we take 13 degree 20' span as

> an average per star and calculate 2.25 stars for 30 degrees or a " Rashi "

> (which is again a non-vedic adopted term). But when some stars are more than

> double the average span and some less than half the average, how can you be

> sure that you are born under the particular star on the present basis of

> calculation?

>

>

>

> Saka samvatsara year is 1931 for English year 2009. On March 16, 2010

> Prabhavati year " Krodhi " begins (Saka1932/Vikram Samvat 2067). But due to

> the difference in the initial fixation (Saka 1876 -1954-55 AD -- was named

> 41 Plavanga in northern India and 28 Jaya in the south) there is a

> difference of one year in the north and 13 years in the south. Actually the

> sixty- year cycle is based on the transit of Jupiter. Jupiter should transit

> the Aquarius (kumbha ) sign and simultaneously when the sun transits Mesha

> (Vishu sampat ), the Kumbha mela is held in Haridwar, a very auspicious

> event for the Hindus. This should have been on March 21, 2009. But alas it

> is going to be celebrated in March 2010 when Jupiter is actually in Pisces

> (Meena )! This is how all our rituals and festivals are now-a-days

> celebrated in Bharatha varsha.

>

>

>

> To end all these anomalies and errors and for re-establishing sanathana

> dharma on the correct path and unify the Hindu community of both the north

> and south, a new panchanga has taken shape in the form of

>

>

>

> " Sri Mohan Krity Aarsh Tithi Patrak " .

>

>

>

> Here the months are Vedic, dates are called gatey( in the sense of the

> Sanskrit word Gatih), nakshatras are as per their actual span, timings are

> given in hours and minuts, (not nazhiga and vinazhiga), thithis are

> mentioned correctly as per their duration. Corresponding English dates are

> also provided. Festivals dates are mentioned correctly as per shastric

> formulations. " Sri Mohan Krity Aarsh Tithi Patrak " is published by Acharya

> Sri Darshaney Lokeshji of C-276, Gama-1, Greater Noida ( UP ) PIN-201310.

> Phone:01206544628, +91 9412354036. darshaneylokesh@

>

>

>

> The Tithi Patrak for the next year is getting ready and I would urge all

> members of the Brahmin community especially the purohits. to make use of it

> in all our samkalpas - vedic months names, thithi, vara, nakshatra etc.

> Please do not use the Rasi names as it is not vedic. (there is no mention of

> any rasi or planets other than the sun and moon , in any of our Vedas.)

>

>

>

> Let us forge a new erea in our chronology.

>