A few tips for judging career ???

[Guest guest]

Hi Imraan,

 

Good points and a great posting! Good to see you coming out of your shell and

challenging the 'status quo' ;-)

 

Now let us move to the pudding ...

 

In your opinion, what should this person have done career-wise in her life if

stars were listened to...?

 

28 January 1963

12:15 PM EST

Boston, MA, USA

 

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

, " M. Imran " <astroimran wrote:

>

> A few tips for judging career

>

> By M. Imran

> November 23, 2009

>

>

> 1) First things first

>

> Rapid expansion of astrological knowledge in recent

> decade has led to formation of enormous online groups. It brought forth

positive

> as well as negative aspects. At positive front, it provided easy accessibility

to

> astrological texts, online instructors and dynamic discussion platforms. But

at

> the same time this trend changed the entire course of traditional jyotish

learning.

> People now start studying astrology in haywire way, read online columns in

bits

> and pieces, discuss theorems without corollaries from here and there, and

> become online guru within no time.

>

> Resultantly, they analyze a practical case study or

> reply a request on internet that usually begins with fascinating secondary

elements,

> e.g. A10 in dasamsa, badhakesh in maran-karaka-sthan, graha arudha, sahamas

and

> etc. etc. Well, my intention is not to deny or deride these concepts. They are

> the part and parcel of divine jyotish for centuries. But beginning and relying

on

> merely these secondary concepts is not a right way to choose. They do matter,

> but not more than karaka, bhava and bhavesh. Do read the arudhapad (AL) and

karmapad (A10)

> but after weighing karma karaka (Saturn), and 10th house/lord. Similarly,

diving

> directly into the dasamsa (without judging rasi chakra) may be misleading.

> Firstly, because of the fact that dasamsa can not overshadow rasi (D1).

Secondly,

> in most of the cases birth time is not accurately recorded. So keep these

> points in mind before reaching any conclusion. Do analyze dasamsa (D10) but

> after scrutinizing rasi and in the light of rashi. Don’t forget that rasi

(D1) is

> itself a varga, perhaps most important varga.

>

>

> 2) Never neglect Lagna and Lagnesh

>

> Generally 10th house is considered for determining

> profession, but before reaching karmasthan, do concentrate on lagna and

lagnesh.

> It will always help you drawing correct outline of the picture. A

well-occupied or

> well-aspected lagna ensures health, intelligent, and potential. A native

having

> strongly placed lord of lagna and its dispositor enjoys a stable, honourable

> and successful life. The horoscope turns more powerful when rasi as well as

> navamsa dispositor of lagna lord favourably occupies in kendar/kona from

> ascendant. A robust lagnesh is indeed one of the most fortunate, yet,

neglected

> signature.

>

> Afflicted lagna and lagna lord are often avoided,

> despite knowing that all the good and bad revolve around this pivotal point.

People

> having weak lagna and lagnesha and powerful karmasthan may prosper

professionally

> for a short span of time but they hardly enjoy satisfactory and sustainable

> career. Apart from revealing the innate potential, lagna simultaneously hosts

> the sukh arghala for karmasthana (i.e. 4th from 10th). That is why, whenever

lagna becomes

> abode of natural benefics, native is always satisfied with his profession

> (whether he is president or peasant, trader or teacher). On the other hand,

when

> lagna is infested by natural malefics then he would hardly enjoy satisfaction

> and peace from his career.

>

>

> 3) Don’t forget Karma Karaka Saturn

>

> Saturn is a universal karma karaka for all ascendants.

> Obviously karma does not confine to career, but career is a significant part

of

> karma we adopt. Following are some Saturn based combinations for judging

profession.

>

> a) Note the stronger between Saturn and its

> dispositor. The rasi and navamsa occupied by said planet shows the nature of

> work, one adopts. Planets strongly sambandhi (related) to Saturn are also

capable

> of casting their influences.

>

> b) The combination of trikona bhava, from the sign

> occupied by Saturn, depicts ones professional life. Jupiter, Venus and/or

non-afflicted

> Mercury trine to Saturn is auspicious yoga, while Mars, Rahu and/or Ketu in

> trine to Saturn are inauspicious yoga(s).

>

> c) Jupiter, Venus, and/or non-afflicted Mercury

> sitting 2nd (or zodiacally ahead) of Saturn shows good return of your efforts.

> In professional life it means, smart income and financial prosperity as one

> progresses in career. On the other had, merely Mars, Rahu or Ketu, occupying

> 2nd (or zodiacally ahead) of Saturn, reveals one is bound to get

unsatisfactory

> income.

>

> d) Jupiter, Venus, and/or non-afflicted Mercury

> occupying 12th (or zodiacally rear) to Saturn indicates agreeable place of

> work, peaceful environment, besides comfortable beginning of career. On the

> other hand, Mars, Rahu or Ketu, occupying 12th (or zodiacally rear) to Saturn

> suggest an unsatisfactory and non-agreeable work location where rivalry,

intrigue,

> and leg-pulling tease the native. Natural malefic planets (without shubh

> sambandh) sitting behind Saturn further unveils difficult beginning of career.

>

>

> 4) When there is Guru there is Growth

>

> ‘Expansion’

> is associated with Jupiter. So whenever or wherever, there is guru there is

growth.

> The trinal aspect of Jupiter blossoms the karakattawa of receiving planet and

house.

> In natal chart, if Jupiter is placed in trine to karma karaka Saturn and/or

10th

> lord then one is destined to rise in professional life, earn respect from

> seniors and juniors and is known for his dutifulness. In nadi treatises,

> Jupiter in trine to Saturn is ranked raja yoga. Jupiter even in 2nd, 12th or

7th

> to Saturn promises respectful and successful career. Natives having such yoga

> definitely gain promotion when in transit, Jupiter sojourns over Saturn/10th

lord

> and their trinal signs. Contrarily, should Jupiter be in 6th or 8th, while

Mars

> and Rahu are in trine to radial Saturn or 10th lord; one has to struggle a lot

for

> getting desirable placement and promotion in work. Such natives often lead

> ordinary lives. But note that retrogression of any of the discussed planet

> changes the situation. Do treat retrograde planet (here Jupiter and 10th lord)

as

> locating in 12th from original placement in especially during second phase of

> life.

>

>

> 5) Commanding and Executive Position

>

> Assuming powerful position is not possible without cosmic

> light of Sun. Natives, possessing potent Sun which is sambandhi with karmesh

or

> karma karaka (Saturn) exercise commanding position in life (e.g. politicians,

government

> officials, bureaucrats, judges, chairmen, etc. Such natives generally inclined

> to do independent work when kendra bhavas are more powerful than apoklima

> bhavas. When raja yogas in chart are annulled even then native of a powerful

sambandhi

> Sun does not remain unnoticed and ordinary in their circle. If he is a beggar,

> he will be head of beggars. If he is a shopkeeper then he will be

representative

> of the association of shopkeepers. This is the natural trait of Sun’s

> association with 10th house/lord and Saturn.

>

> Another signature that renders one commanding and cruel

> is placement of natural malefic planets in 3rd and 6th houses. Union leaders

> and political activists often possess this combination. On the contrary,

natural

> benefic planets in these houses, make one tender, follower and obedient. They

> are best suited as assistant and subordinate. They lead ordinary life

> especially when 10th house/lord and Saturn are devoid of beneficial influence.

>

> Come to

> Sun again. If someone has well placed Sun and 10th house under beneficial

> aspect then he will always be in good book of his boss. Aspect of natural

> benefic planets over 10th house ensures favour from higher authorities and

> government as well. Besides 10th house if lagna lord and 10th lord both are

strong

> then native himself becomes head of his work, representative of his

family/clan

> and command pomp and power.

>

> In

> addition to Sun; Mars and Jupiter are somehow connected with higher

> authorities. If there is a raja sambandh yoga then native enjoys the

ministerial

> position, and supervision of powerful and command boss. However, the raja

> sambandha yoga does not necessarily make one minister of a king. The native

may

> be secretary or clerk but will serve someone in commanding authority e.g. head

> of the department, general manager, COO, CEO, etc.

>

>

> 6) Knowing for Professional Knowledge

>

> Mercury is not only a karaka of education but also a

> significator of professional knowledge. Favourably placed Mercury which is

> sambandhi to karmesh and karma karaka bestows skill and knowledge about the

> work one adopts. Mercury when aspects or occupy 10th house, or associated with

> 10th lord shows an adept, skillful, and innovative professional. Company

> chooses such guys to have skill enhancement courses and seminars. Such natives

are

> also picked out by authorities as company spokesman. Having strong

professional

> knowledge they usually deliver presentations, produce manuals, and train

> workforce.

>

>

> http://astroimran.blogspot.com/

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Rohiniranjan,

 

Your reply seemed different to me (as always). But I was not expecting such a

surprising and challenging quiz. Anyway, let me try. Whether right or wrong, I

would be without ifs and buts.

 

On the basis of given chart (Taurus lagna, Aquaius Moon), the native may be a

writer, researcher and fond of classical knowledge and metaphysics.

 

With regards,

M. Imran

 

 

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Hi Imraan,

>

> Good points and a great posting! Good to see you coming out of your shell and

challenging the 'status quo' ;-)

>

> Now let us move to the pudding ...

>

> In your opinion, what should this person have done career-wise in her life if

stars were listened to...?

>

> 28 January 1963

> 12:15 PM EST

> Boston, MA, USA

>

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> > >

[Guest guest]

HI Imran,

 

I was not sharing the information as a challenge but given the rather strong and

definitive sounding (and scholarly, if I may add) posting of yours, I was hoping

that you would utilize this as an opportunity for showcasing and illustrating

the principles and rules that you described in your posting.

 

So, given the taurus lagna and aquarius moon, the person must be one or more of

the possibilities: writer, researcher, fond of classical knowledge and

metaphysics.

 

But I am not understanding clearly why those two factors should lead to the

conclusion that you have arrived at. Again, my intention is not to ambush you or

anything like that but offer an opportunity to illustrate the theoretical

factors described earlier by you.

 

Please elaborate a bit more in details so that the purpose of your original

posting appearning in several places is more fully served. It will be of great

interest to all readers, beginner and beyond.

 

Although you are using 2 factors, is it the 10th house association of the moon

in this chart or 10th house placement of the lord of 3rd that is being chosen by

you as the decisive factor? Or is there mercury and jupiter etc 'between the

lines' that are involved as well.

 

I realize that you may not have the time or interest to elaborate, but since you

spent so much time in creating and sharing your original posting, you may wish

to illustrate that with this chart and this will then get fixed in your readers'

minds that much better.

 

I hope you see it that way as well. I will wait for you to write more, if you

wish, and would rather not bias you with my comments about the chart or the

nativity, etc, at this time.

 

Regards,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " astroimran " <astroimran wrote:

>

> Dear Rohiniranjan,

>

> Your reply seemed different to me (as always). But I was not expecting such a

surprising and challenging quiz. Anyway, let me try. Whether right or wrong, I

would be without ifs and buts.

>

> On the basis of given chart (Taurus lagna, Aquaius Moon), the native may be a

writer, researcher and fond of classical knowledge and metaphysics.

>

> With regards,

> M. Imran

>

>

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Imraan,

> >

> > Good points and a great posting! Good to see you coming out of your shell

and challenging the 'status quo' ;-)

> >

> > Now let us move to the pudding ...

> >

> > In your opinion, what should this person have done career-wise in her life

if stars were listened to...?

> >

> > 28 January 1963

> > 12:15 PM EST

> > Boston, MA, USA

> >

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Sorry Rohiniranjan,

 

I presume, you must misunderstood my reply. Referring Taurus lagna and Aquarius

Moon did not mean that they are solely responsible for making a native writer or

researcher. I was just referring the native, since I don't know who the person

is. Let me explain, what I inferred in my last message.

 

Native: Unknown

28 January 1963

Time: 12:15 PM EST

Place: Boston, MA, USA

 

Question: Find out profession.

 

Varottam Taurus is rising while lord of lagna Venus is sitting in 7th house.

Three benefic planets are tenanting in kendra. Native should be fortunate,

pleasing, long lived, healthy and prominent in community/social circle. The

matter of fame is further supported by association of Jupiter+Moon with arudha

lagna (AL) and gati lagna (GL). Ascendant and Moon in fixed signs render the

native firm minded and prudent. It is not easy to convince her without sound

argument. Exaltation of both lagna lord and Moon in navamsa is indeed a rare

signature. She is bestowed with excellence of mental and physical capabilities,

besides having refined aesthetic sense. One born on Monday, having exalted Moon

in navamsa also possesses very fertile imagination and highly sensitive. Moon

with Jupiter is simultaneously forming a powerful gaja-kesari yoga. In 10th,

this combination shows prominence, social respect and honour. But Moon is the

lord of 3rd and Jupiter is of 8th and 11th. Both are functional malefic for

Taurus ascendant. Due to this flaw gaja kesari does not ensure much monetary

benefit and unparalleled fame. However, it yields knowledge, wisdom and keen

intellect to understand hidden aspect and best suited to research oriented

fields. Mercury is vidya karaka. In rasi and navamsa, it is tenanting the sign

of Guru and Guru is into Aquarius and aspectig the 2nd and 4th houses (note the

2nd house shows ones learning inclinations and 4th house indicates formal

schooling). So subjects related to Jupiter, i.e. sacred sciences, metaphysics,

law and medicine may be of her interest. Well, lord of 5th (Mercury) aspects 2nd

besides Jupiter's aspect to 2nd is a yoga for understanding astrology. Afflicted

Mars and natural malefic planets in 3rd-9th without shubh drishti reveal, either

she is the youngest among coborn or her sis/bro parted now. Native may also not

very happy with her spouse.

 

Again come to the query of profession which may be related to writing,

preaching, or research. First take karma karaka Saturn. It is strongly occupied

in 9th as 9th lord. Natives of Capricorn Saturn are dutiful, calculated and

persistent. Saturn in mithunamsa inclines one towards work related to Mercury.

In dasamsa (D10), 10th lord Saturn is in Pisces and aspected by Jupiter and

Mercury ®. Whereas karmapada (A10) is into Gemini. Again, this indicates work

related to Mercury and Jupiter.

 

However in rasi, Saturn is influenced by four other planets, viz.; Sun, Ketu,

Mars ® and Rahu. By influence I mean here, standard graha drishti and yuti.

Connection of these planets over Saturn suggests initial struggle, aimlessness

and even opposition, up to first Saturn return (1991-92). However, relative kona

(5-9) and dwirdwadasa (2-12) from karaka should also analyze. Here no planet is

in trine to karma karaka Saturn but Jupiter+Moon is ahead and Mercury ® is

behind Saturn. This shubh-kartari yoga indicates luck and financial autonomy

knocked her door during second phase of life.

 

Lets move to karmasthana (10th house). Jupiter and Moon are occupying here. No

other planets aspects 10th, but Mercury is slightly influencing 10th and (their

occupants) through labha argala. However, influence of Mercury is more due to

Jupiter; since later is a sole dispositor of former. We've already seen that

Mercury is also the navamsa-dispositor of karma karaka Saturn. Thus native

should adopt career related to Mercury, viz. communication, internet, teaching,

preaching, writing, research etc.

 

Rightnow I'm posting this reply from my office desk and above is what I could

explain with my little understanding. Don't know how right or wrong this

analysis is.

 

Sincerely,

M. Imran

 

 

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> HI Imran,

>

> I was not sharing the information as a challenge but given the rather strong

and definitive sounding (and scholarly, if I may add) posting of yours, I was

hoping that you would utilize this as an opportunity for showcasing and

illustrating the principles and rules that you described in your posting.

>

> So, given the taurus lagna and aquarius moon, the person must be one or more

of the possibilities: writer, researcher, fond of classical knowledge and

metaphysics.

>

> But I am not understanding clearly why those two factors should lead to the

conclusion that you have arrived at. Again, my intention is not to ambush you or

anything like that but offer an opportunity to illustrate the theoretical

factors described earlier by you.

>

> Please elaborate a bit more in details so that the purpose of your original

posting appearning in several places is more fully served. It will be of great

interest to all readers, beginner and beyond.

>

> Although you are using 2 factors, is it the 10th house association of the moon

in this chart or 10th house placement of the lord of 3rd that is being chosen by

you as the decisive factor? Or is there mercury and jupiter etc 'between the

lines' that are involved as well.

>

> I realize that you may not have the time or interest to elaborate, but since

you spent so much time in creating and sharing your original posting, you may

wish to illustrate that with this chart and this will then get fixed in your

readers' minds that much better.

>

> I hope you see it that way as well. I will wait for you to write more, if you

wish, and would rather not bias you with my comments about the chart or the

nativity, etc, at this time.

>

> Regards,

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " astroimran " <astroimran@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohiniranjan,

> >

> > Your reply seemed different to me (as always). But I was not expecting such

a surprising and challenging quiz. Anyway, let me try. Whether right or wrong, I

would be without ifs and buts.

> >

> > On the basis of given chart (Taurus lagna, Aquaius Moon), the native may be

a writer, researcher and fond of classical knowledge and metaphysics.

> >

> > With regards,

> > M. Imran

> >

> >

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Imraan,

> > >

> > > Good points and a great posting! Good to see you coming out of your shell

and challenging the 'status quo' ;-)

> > >

> > > Now let us move to the pudding ...

> > >

> > > In your opinion, what should this person have done career-wise in her life

if stars were listened to...?

> > >

> > > 28 January 1963

> > > 12:15 PM EST

> > > Boston, MA, USA

> > >

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Just to add my perspective on this:

 

- The native should be quite famous in his area of work

- He/She works in a highly competative environment

- Could be involved with music/singing/media

- Might have had a relationship with some one who is much younger to or very

elderly to the native

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

________________________________

astroimran <astroimran

 

Tue, 24 November, 2009 8:28:47 PM

Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

 

 

Sorry Rohiniranjan,

 

I presume, you must misunderstood my reply. Referring Taurus lagna and Aquarius

Moon did not mean that they are solely responsible for making a native writer or

researcher. I was just referring the native, since I don't know who the person

is. Let me explain, what I inferred in my last message.

 

Native: Unknown

28 January 1963

Time: 12:15 PM EST

Place: Boston, MA, USA

 

Question: Find out profession.

 

Varottam Taurus is rising while lord of lagna Venus is sitting in 7th house.

Three benefic planets are tenanting in kendra. Native should be fortunate,

pleasing, long lived, healthy and prominent in community/social circle. The

matter of fame is further supported by association of Jupiter+Moon with arudha

lagna (AL) and gati lagna (GL). Ascendant and Moon in fixed signs render the

native firm minded and prudent. It is not easy to convince her without sound

argument. Exaltation of both lagna lord and Moon in navamsa is indeed a rare

signature. She is bestowed with excellence of mental and physical capabilities,

besides having refined aesthetic sense. One born on Monday, having exalted Moon

in navamsa also possesses very fertile imagination and highly sensitive. Moon

with Jupiter is simultaneously forming a powerful gaja-kesari yoga. In 10th,

this combination shows prominence, social respect and honour. But Moon is the

lord of 3rd and Jupiter is of 8th and

11th. Both are functional malefic for Taurus ascendant. Due to this flaw gaja

kesari does not ensure much monetary benefit and unparalleled fame. However, it

yields knowledge, wisdom and keen intellect to understand hidden aspect and best

suited to research oriented fields. Mercury is vidya karaka. In rasi and

navamsa, it is tenanting the sign of Guru and Guru is into Aquarius and aspectig

the 2nd and 4th houses (note the 2nd house shows ones learning inclinations and

4th house indicates formal schooling). So subjects related to Jupiter, i.e.

sacred sciences, metaphysics, law and medicine may be of her interest. Well,

lord of 5th (Mercury) aspects 2nd besides Jupiter's aspect to 2nd is a yoga for

understanding astrology. Afflicted Mars and natural malefic planets in 3rd-9th

without shubh drishti reveal, either she is the youngest among coborn or her

sis/bro parted now. Native may also not very happy with her spouse.

 

Again come to the query of profession which may be related to writing,

preaching, or research. First take karma karaka Saturn. It is strongly occupied

in 9th as 9th lord. Natives of Capricorn Saturn are dutiful, calculated and

persistent. Saturn in mithunamsa inclines one towards work related to Mercury.

In dasamsa (D10), 10th lord Saturn is in Pisces and aspected by Jupiter and

Mercury ®. Whereas karmapada (A10) is into Gemini. Again, this indicates work

related to Mercury and Jupiter.

 

However in rasi, Saturn is influenced by four other planets, viz.; Sun, Ketu,

Mars ® and Rahu. By influence I mean here, standard graha drishti and yuti.

Connection of these planets over Saturn suggests initial struggle, aimlessness

and even opposition, up to first Saturn return (1991-92). However, relative kona

(5-9) and dwirdwadasa (2-12) from karaka should also analyze. Here no planet is

in trine to karma karaka Saturn but Jupiter+Moon is ahead and Mercury ® is

behind Saturn. This shubh-kartari yoga indicates luck and financial autonomy

knocked her door during second phase of life.

 

Lets move to karmasthana (10th house). Jupiter and Moon are occupying here. No

other planets aspects 10th, but Mercury is slightly influencing 10th and (their

occupants) through labha argala. However, influence of Mercury is more due to

Jupiter; since later is a sole dispositor of former. We've already seen that

Mercury is also the navamsa-dispositor of karma karaka Saturn. Thus native

should adopt career related to Mercury, viz. communication, internet, teaching,

preaching, writing, research etc.

 

Rightnow I'm posting this reply from my office desk and above is what I could

explain with my little understanding. Don't know how right or wrong this

analysis is.

 

Sincerely,

M. Imran

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

>

> HI Imran,

>

> I was not sharing the information as a challenge but given the rather strong

and definitive sounding (and scholarly, if I may add) posting of yours, I was

hoping that you would utilize this as an opportunity for showcasing and

illustrating the principles and rules that you described in your posting.

>

> So, given the taurus lagna and aquarius moon, the person must be one or more

of the possibilities: writer, researcher, fond of classical knowledge and

metaphysics.

>

> But I am not understanding clearly why those two factors should lead to the

conclusion that you have arrived at. Again, my intention is not to ambush you or

anything like that but offer an opportunity to illustrate the theoretical

factors described earlier by you.

>

> Please elaborate a bit more in details so that the purpose of your original

posting appearning in several places is more fully served. It will be of great

interest to all readers, beginner and beyond.

>

> Although you are using 2 factors, is it the 10th house association of the moon

in this chart or 10th house placement of the lord of 3rd that is being chosen by

you as the decisive factor? Or is there mercury and jupiter etc 'between the

lines' that are involved as well.

>

> I realize that you may not have the time or interest to elaborate, but since

you spent so much time in creating and sharing your original posting, you may

wish to illustrate that with this chart and this will then get fixed in your

readers' minds that much better.

>

> I hope you see it that way as well. I will wait for you to write more, if you

wish, and would rather not bias you with my comments about the chart or the

nativity, etc, at this time.

>

> Regards,

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " astroimran " <astroimran@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohiniranjan,

> >

> > Your reply seemed different to me (as always). But I was not expecting such

a surprising and challenging quiz. Anyway, let me try. Whether right or wrong, I

would be without ifs and buts.

> >

> > On the basis of given chart (Taurus lagna, Aquaius Moon), the native may be

a writer, researcher and fond of classical knowledge and metaphysics.

> >

> > With regards,

> > M. Imran

> >

> >

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Imraan,

> > >

> > > Good points and a great posting! Good to see you coming out of your shell

and challenging the 'status quo' ;-)

> > >

> > > Now let us move to the pudding ...

> > >

> > > In your opinion, what should this person have done career-wise in her life

if stars were listened to...?

> > >

> > > 28 January 1963

> > > 12:15 PM EST

> > > Boston, MA, USA

> > >

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Imran,

 

No misunderstanding at all :-)

I just wanted to avoid misunderstanding amongst the readers of your message,

hence tried to get a fuller answer from you that will illustrate your earlier

posting about going for the fundamental aspects and then the secondary aspects

etc.

 

Currently, I am a bit preoccupied with some projects but hopefully will get some

quality time over the next several days to read your beautifully elaborate

response in light of your earlier posting and will try to get back to you :-)

 

I also got another very interesting chart for another person born on the same

day (different place and time, of course) which when examined my give some

interesting opportunity for illustrating Jyotish in action!

 

TTYL,

 

RR_,

 

, " astroimran " <astroimran wrote:

>

> Sorry Rohiniranjan,

>

> I presume, you must misunderstood my reply. Referring Taurus lagna and

Aquarius Moon did not mean that they are solely responsible for making a native

writer or researcher. I was just referring the native, since I don't know who

the person is. Let me explain, what I inferred in my last message.

>

> Native: Unknown

> 28 January 1963

> Time: 12:15 PM EST

> Place: Boston, MA, USA

>

> Question: Find out profession.

>

> Varottam Taurus is rising while lord of lagna Venus is sitting in 7th house.

Three benefic planets are tenanting in kendra. Native should be fortunate,

pleasing, long lived, healthy and prominent in community/social circle. The

matter of fame is further supported by association of Jupiter+Moon with arudha

lagna (AL) and gati lagna (GL). Ascendant and Moon in fixed signs render the

native firm minded and prudent. It is not easy to convince her without sound

argument. Exaltation of both lagna lord and Moon in navamsa is indeed a rare

signature. She is bestowed with excellence of mental and physical capabilities,

besides having refined aesthetic sense. One born on Monday, having exalted Moon

in navamsa also possesses very fertile imagination and highly sensitive. Moon

with Jupiter is simultaneously forming a powerful gaja-kesari yoga. In 10th,

this combination shows prominence, social respect and honour. But Moon is the

lord of 3rd and Jupiter is of 8th and 11th. Both are functional malefic for

Taurus ascendant. Due to this flaw gaja kesari does not ensure much monetary

benefit and unparalleled fame. However, it yields knowledge, wisdom and keen

intellect to understand hidden aspect and best suited to research oriented

fields. Mercury is vidya karaka. In rasi and navamsa, it is tenanting the sign

of Guru and Guru is into Aquarius and aspectig the 2nd and 4th houses (note the

2nd house shows ones learning inclinations and 4th house indicates formal

schooling). So subjects related to Jupiter, i.e. sacred sciences, metaphysics,

law and medicine may be of her interest. Well, lord of 5th (Mercury) aspects 2nd

besides Jupiter's aspect to 2nd is a yoga for understanding astrology. Afflicted

Mars and natural malefic planets in 3rd-9th without shubh drishti reveal, either

she is the youngest among coborn or her sis/bro parted now. Native may also not

very happy with her spouse.

>

> Again come to the query of profession which may be related to writing,

preaching, or research. First take karma karaka Saturn. It is strongly occupied

in 9th as 9th lord. Natives of Capricorn Saturn are dutiful, calculated and

persistent. Saturn in mithunamsa inclines one towards work related to Mercury.

In dasamsa (D10), 10th lord Saturn is in Pisces and aspected by Jupiter and

Mercury ®. Whereas karmapada (A10) is into Gemini. Again, this indicates work

related to Mercury and Jupiter.

>

> However in rasi, Saturn is influenced by four other planets, viz.; Sun, Ketu,

Mars ® and Rahu. By influence I mean here, standard graha drishti and yuti.

Connection of these planets over Saturn suggests initial struggle, aimlessness

and even opposition, up to first Saturn return (1991-92). However, relative kona

(5-9) and dwirdwadasa (2-12) from karaka should also analyze. Here no planet is

in trine to karma karaka Saturn but Jupiter+Moon is ahead and Mercury ® is

behind Saturn. This shubh-kartari yoga indicates luck and financial autonomy

knocked her door during second phase of life.

>

> Lets move to karmasthana (10th house). Jupiter and Moon are occupying here. No

other planets aspects 10th, but Mercury is slightly influencing 10th and (their

occupants) through labha argala. However, influence of Mercury is more due to

Jupiter; since later is a sole dispositor of former. We've already seen that

Mercury is also the navamsa-dispositor of karma karaka Saturn. Thus native

should adopt career related to Mercury, viz. communication, internet, teaching,

preaching, writing, research etc.

>

> Rightnow I'm posting this reply from my office desk and above is what I could

explain with my little understanding. Don't know how right or wrong this

analysis is.

>

> Sincerely,

> M. Imran

>

>

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > HI Imran,

> >

> > I was not sharing the information as a challenge but given the rather strong

and definitive sounding (and scholarly, if I may add) posting of yours, I was

hoping that you would utilize this as an opportunity for showcasing and

illustrating the principles and rules that you described in your posting.

> >

> > So, given the taurus lagna and aquarius moon, the person must be one or more

of the possibilities: writer, researcher, fond of classical knowledge and

metaphysics.

> >

> > But I am not understanding clearly why those two factors should lead to the

conclusion that you have arrived at. Again, my intention is not to ambush you or

anything like that but offer an opportunity to illustrate the theoretical

factors described earlier by you.

> >

> > Please elaborate a bit more in details so that the purpose of your original

posting appearning in several places is more fully served. It will be of great

interest to all readers, beginner and beyond.

> >

> > Although you are using 2 factors, is it the 10th house association of the

moon in this chart or 10th house placement of the lord of 3rd that is being

chosen by you as the decisive factor? Or is there mercury and jupiter etc

'between the lines' that are involved as well.

> >

> > I realize that you may not have the time or interest to elaborate, but since

you spent so much time in creating and sharing your original posting, you may

wish to illustrate that with this chart and this will then get fixed in your

readers' minds that much better.

> >

> > I hope you see it that way as well. I will wait for you to write more, if

you wish, and would rather not bias you with my comments about the chart or the

nativity, etc, at this time.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " astroimran " <astroimran@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohiniranjan,

> > >

> > > Your reply seemed different to me (as always). But I was not expecting

such a surprising and challenging quiz. Anyway, let me try. Whether right or

wrong, I would be without ifs and buts.

> > >

> > > On the basis of given chart (Taurus lagna, Aquaius Moon), the native may

be a writer, researcher and fond of classical knowledge and metaphysics.

> > >

> > > With regards,

> > > M. Imran

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi Imraan,

> > > >

> > > > Good points and a great posting! Good to see you coming out of your

shell and challenging the 'status quo' ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Now let us move to the pudding ...

> > > >

> > > > In your opinion, what should this person have done career-wise in her

life if stars were listened to...?

> > > >

> > > > 28 January 1963

> > > > 12:15 PM EST

> > > > Boston, MA, USA

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri RRji,

Could you please confirm the findings of Sri Imranji about the career of the

native in the following analysis.

> > Native: Unknown

> > 28 January 1963

> > Time: 12:15 PM EST

> > Place: Boston, MA, USA

> >

> > Question: Find out profession.

> >

 

Awaiting your reply.

 

Sincerely,

 

Ravi.

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Dear Imran,

>

> No misunderstanding at all :-)

> I just wanted to avoid misunderstanding amongst the readers of your message,

hence tried to get a fuller answer from you that will illustrate your earlier

posting about going for the fundamental aspects and then the secondary aspects

etc.

>

> Currently, I am a bit preoccupied with some projects but hopefully will get

some quality time over the next several days to read your beautifully elaborate

response in light of your earlier posting and will try to get back to you :-)

>

> I also got another very interesting chart for another person born on the same

day (different place and time, of course) which when examined my give some

interesting opportunity for illustrating Jyotish in action!

>

> TTYL,

>

> RR_,

>

> , " astroimran " <astroimran@> wrote:

> >

> > Sorry Rohiniranjan,

> >

> > I presume, you must misunderstood my reply. Referring Taurus lagna and

Aquarius Moon did not mean that they are solely responsible for making a native

writer or researcher. I was just referring the native, since I don't know who

the person is. Let me explain, what I inferred in my last message.

> >

> > Native: Unknown

> > 28 January 1963

> > Time: 12:15 PM EST

> > Place: Boston, MA, USA

> >

> > Question: Find out profession.

> >

> > Varottam Taurus is rising while lord of lagna Venus is sitting in 7th house.

Three benefic planets are tenanting in kendra. Native should be fortunate,

pleasing, long lived, healthy and prominent in community/social circle. The

matter of fame is further supported by association of Jupiter+Moon with arudha

lagna (AL) and gati lagna (GL). Ascendant and Moon in fixed signs render the

native firm minded and prudent. It is not easy to convince her without sound

argument. Exaltation of both lagna lord and Moon in navamsa is indeed a rare

signature. She is bestowed with excellence of mental and physical capabilities,

besides having refined aesthetic sense. One born on Monday, having exalted Moon

in navamsa also possesses very fertile imagination and highly sensitive. Moon

with Jupiter is simultaneously forming a powerful gaja-kesari yoga. In 10th,

this combination shows prominence, social respect and honour. But Moon is the

lord of 3rd and Jupiter is of 8th and 11th. Both are functional malefic for

Taurus ascendant. Due to this flaw gaja kesari does not ensure much monetary

benefit and unparalleled fame. However, it yields knowledge, wisdom and keen

intellect to understand hidden aspect and best suited to research oriented

fields. Mercury is vidya karaka. In rasi and navamsa, it is tenanting the sign

of Guru and Guru is into Aquarius and aspectig the 2nd and 4th houses (note the

2nd house shows ones learning inclinations and 4th house indicates formal

schooling). So subjects related to Jupiter, i.e. sacred sciences, metaphysics,

law and medicine may be of her interest. Well, lord of 5th (Mercury) aspects 2nd

besides Jupiter's aspect to 2nd is a yoga for understanding astrology. Afflicted

Mars and natural malefic planets in 3rd-9th without shubh drishti reveal, either

she is the youngest among coborn or her sis/bro parted now. Native may also not

very happy with her spouse.

> >

> > Again come to the query of profession which may be related to writing,

preaching, or research. First take karma karaka Saturn. It is strongly occupied

in 9th as 9th lord. Natives of Capricorn Saturn are dutiful, calculated and

persistent. Saturn in mithunamsa inclines one towards work related to Mercury.

In dasamsa (D10), 10th lord Saturn is in Pisces and aspected by Jupiter and

Mercury ®. Whereas karmapada (A10) is into Gemini. Again, this indicates work

related to Mercury and Jupiter.

> >

> > However in rasi, Saturn is influenced by four other planets, viz.; Sun,

Ketu, Mars ® and Rahu. By influence I mean here, standard graha drishti and

yuti. Connection of these planets over Saturn suggests initial struggle,

aimlessness and even opposition, up to first Saturn return (1991-92). However,

relative kona (5-9) and dwirdwadasa (2-12) from karaka should also analyze. Here

no planet is in trine to karma karaka Saturn but Jupiter+Moon is ahead and

Mercury ® is behind Saturn. This shubh-kartari yoga indicates luck and

financial autonomy knocked her door during second phase of life.

> >

> > Lets move to karmasthana (10th house). Jupiter and Moon are occupying here.

No other planets aspects 10th, but Mercury is slightly influencing 10th and

(their occupants) through labha argala. However, influence of Mercury is more

due to Jupiter; since later is a sole dispositor of former. We've already seen

that Mercury is also the navamsa-dispositor of karma karaka Saturn. Thus native

should adopt career related to Mercury, viz. communication, internet, teaching,

preaching, writing, research etc.

> >

> > Rightnow I'm posting this reply from my office desk and above is what I

could explain with my little understanding. Don't know how right or wrong this

analysis is.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > M. Imran

> >

> >

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > HI Imran,

> > >

> > > I was not sharing the information as a challenge but given the rather

strong and definitive sounding (and scholarly, if I may add) posting of yours, I

was hoping that you would utilize this as an opportunity for showcasing and

illustrating the principles and rules that you described in your posting.

> > >

> > > So, given the taurus lagna and aquarius moon, the person must be one or

more of the possibilities: writer, researcher, fond of classical knowledge and

metaphysics.

> > >

> > > But I am not understanding clearly why those two factors should lead to

the conclusion that you have arrived at. Again, my intention is not to ambush

you or anything like that but offer an opportunity to illustrate the theoretical

factors described earlier by you.

> > >

> > > Please elaborate a bit more in details so that the purpose of your

original posting appearning in several places is more fully served. It will be

of great interest to all readers, beginner and beyond.

> > >

> > > Although you are using 2 factors, is it the 10th house association of the

moon in this chart or 10th house placement of the lord of 3rd that is being

chosen by you as the decisive factor? Or is there mercury and jupiter etc

'between the lines' that are involved as well.

> > >

> > > I realize that you may not have the time or interest to elaborate, but

since you spent so much time in creating and sharing your original posting, you

may wish to illustrate that with this chart and this will then get fixed in your

readers' minds that much better.

> > >

> > > I hope you see it that way as well. I will wait for you to write more, if

you wish, and would rather not bias you with my comments about the chart or the

nativity, etc, at this time.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " astroimran " <astroimran@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rohiniranjan,

> > > >

> > > > Your reply seemed different to me (as always). But I was not expecting

such a surprising and challenging quiz. Anyway, let me try. Whether right or

wrong, I would be without ifs and buts.

> > > >

> > > > On the basis of given chart (Taurus lagna, Aquaius Moon), the native may

be a writer, researcher and fond of classical knowledge and metaphysics.

> > > >

> > > > With regards,

> > > > M. Imran

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Imraan,

> > > > >

> > > > > Good points and a great posting! Good to see you coming out of your

shell and challenging the 'status quo' ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Now let us move to the pudding ...

> > > > >

> > > > > In your opinion, what should this person have done career-wise in her

life if stars were listened to...?

> > > > >

> > > > > 28 January 1963

> > > > > 12:15 PM EST

> > > > > Boston, MA, USA

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Just an after thought. When I say that the native might be working under a very

competitive environment, it is also possible that the native is in the field of

sport in addition to others I have already mentioned.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

 

Tue, 24 November, 2009 10:27:48 PM

Re: Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

 

 

Just to add my perspective on this:

 

- The native should be quite famous in his area of work

- He/She works in a highly competative environment

- Could be involved with music/singing/media

- Might have had a relationship with some one who is much younger to or very

elderly to the native

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

________________________________

astroimran <astroimran

 

Tue, 24 November, 2009 8:28:47 PM

Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

 

 

Sorry Rohiniranjan,

 

I presume, you must misunderstood my reply. Referring Taurus lagna and Aquarius

Moon did not mean that they are solely responsible for making a native writer or

researcher. I was just referring the native, since I don't know who the person

is. Let me explain, what I inferred in my last message.

 

Native: Unknown

28 January 1963

Time: 12:15 PM EST

Place: Boston, MA, USA

 

Question: Find out profession.

 

Varottam Taurus is rising while lord of lagna Venus is sitting in 7th house.

Three benefic planets are tenanting in kendra. Native should be fortunate,

pleasing, long lived, healthy and prominent in community/social circle. The

matter of fame is further supported by association of Jupiter+Moon with arudha

lagna (AL) and gati lagna (GL). Ascendant and Moon in fixed signs render the

native firm minded and prudent. It is not easy to convince her without sound

argument. Exaltation of both lagna lord and Moon in navamsa is indeed a rare

signature. She is bestowed with excellence of mental and physical capabilities,

besides having refined aesthetic sense. One born on Monday, having exalted Moon

in navamsa also possesses very fertile imagination and highly sensitive. Moon

with Jupiter is simultaneously forming a powerful gaja-kesari yoga. In 10th,

this combination shows prominence, social respect and honour. But Moon is the

lord of 3rd and Jupiter is of 8th and

11th. Both are functional malefic for Taurus ascendant. Due to this flaw gaja

kesari does not ensure much monetary benefit and unparalleled fame. However, it

yields knowledge, wisdom and keen intellect to understand hidden aspect and best

suited to research oriented fields. Mercury is vidya karaka. In rasi and

navamsa, it is tenanting the sign of Guru and Guru is into Aquarius and aspectig

the 2nd and 4th houses (note the 2nd house shows ones learning inclinations and

4th house indicates formal schooling). So subjects related to Jupiter, i.e.

sacred sciences, metaphysics, law and medicine may be of her interest. Well,

lord of 5th (Mercury) aspects 2nd besides Jupiter's aspect to 2nd is a yoga for

understanding astrology. Afflicted Mars and natural malefic planets in 3rd-9th

without shubh drishti reveal, either she is the youngest among coborn or her

sis/bro parted now. Native may also not very happy with her spouse.

 

Again come to the query of profession which may be related to writing,

preaching, or research. First take karma karaka Saturn. It is strongly occupied

in 9th as 9th lord. Natives of Capricorn Saturn are dutiful, calculated and

persistent. Saturn in mithunamsa inclines one towards work related to Mercury.

In dasamsa (D10), 10th lord Saturn is in Pisces and aspected by Jupiter and

Mercury ®. Whereas karmapada (A10) is into Gemini. Again, this indicates work

related to Mercury and Jupiter.

 

However in rasi, Saturn is influenced by four other planets, viz.; Sun, Ketu,

Mars ® and Rahu. By influence I mean here, standard graha drishti and yuti.

Connection of these planets over Saturn suggests initial struggle, aimlessness

and even opposition, up to first Saturn return (1991-92). However, relative kona

(5-9) and dwirdwadasa (2-12) from karaka should also analyze. Here no planet is

in trine to karma karaka Saturn but Jupiter+Moon is ahead and Mercury ® is

behind Saturn. This shubh-kartari yoga indicates luck and financial autonomy

knocked her door during second phase of life.

 

Lets move to karmasthana (10th house). Jupiter and Moon are occupying here. No

other planets aspects 10th, but Mercury is slightly influencing 10th and (their

occupants) through labha argala. However, influence of Mercury is more due to

Jupiter; since later is a sole dispositor of former. We've already seen that

Mercury is also the navamsa-dispositor of karma karaka Saturn. Thus native

should adopt career related to Mercury, viz. communication, internet, teaching,

preaching, writing, research etc.

 

Rightnow I'm posting this reply from my office desk and above is what I could

explain with my little understanding. Don't know how right or wrong this

analysis is.

 

Sincerely,

M. Imran

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

>

> HI Imran,

>

> I was not sharing the information as a challenge but given the rather strong

and definitive sounding (and scholarly, if I may add) posting of yours, I was

hoping that you would utilize this as an opportunity for showcasing and

illustrating the principles and rules that you described in your posting.

>

> So, given the taurus lagna and aquarius moon, the person must be one or more

of the possibilities: writer, researcher, fond of classical knowledge and

metaphysics.

>

> But I am not understanding clearly why those two factors should lead to the

conclusion that you have arrived at. Again, my intention is not to ambush you or

anything like that but offer an opportunity to illustrate the theoretical

factors described earlier by you.

>

> Please elaborate a bit more in details so that the purpose of your original

posting appearning in several places is more fully served. It will be of great

interest to all readers, beginner and beyond.

>

> Although you are using 2 factors, is it the 10th house association of the moon

in this chart or 10th house placement of the lord of 3rd that is being chosen by

you as the decisive factor? Or is there mercury and jupiter etc 'between the

lines' that are involved as well.

>

> I realize that you may not have the time or interest to elaborate, but since

you spent so much time in creating and sharing your original posting, you may

wish to illustrate that with this chart and this will then get fixed in your

readers' minds that much better.

>

> I hope you see it that way as well. I will wait for you to write more, if you

wish, and would rather not bias you with my comments about the chart or the

nativity, etc, at this time.

>

> Regards,

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " astroimran " <astroimran@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohiniranjan,

> >

> > Your reply seemed different to me (as always). But I was not expecting such

a surprising and challenging quiz. Anyway, let me try. Whether right or wrong, I

would be without ifs and buts.

> >

> > On the basis of given chart (Taurus lagna, Aquaius Moon), the native may be

a writer, researcher and fond of classical knowledge and metaphysics.

> >

> > With regards,

> > M. Imran

> >

> >

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Imraan,

> > >

> > > Good points and a great posting! Good to see you coming out of your shell

and challenging the 'status quo' ;-)

> > >

> > > Now let us move to the pudding ...

> > >

> > > In your opinion, what should this person have done career-wise in her life

if stars were listened to...?

> > >

> > > 28 January 1963

> > > 12:15 PM EST

> > > Boston, MA, USA

> > >

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Wondering if interaction with children is involved here as also disease in some

form.

 

There is a lot of stress in the 3/9 axis. The individual would need a good

amount of inner strength to overcome all that and have a meaningful career.

Specially since she went through the dasha of Saturn during her growing-up years

and indicators of parents are strongly involved in this axis. Saturn is the

final dispositor in this chart.

 

The dasha of Vargottam AK Mercury, placed in 8th in rashi and navamsha would

also not have been very easy to go through. But it would have been a more

meaningful time for her since Mercury does well in Dashamsha and it is the

AtmaKarak.

 

She could be interested in astrology.

 

But this is just a learner's attempt.

 

Regards,

Nandini

 

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

wrote:

>

> Just an after thought. When I say that the native might be working under a

very competitive environment, it is also possible that the native is in the

field of sport in addition to others I have already mentioned.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

>

> Tue, 24 November, 2009 10:27:48 PM

> Re: Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

>

>

> Just to add my perspective on this:

>

> - The native should be quite famous in his area of work

> - He/She works in a highly competative environment

> - Could be involved with music/singing/media

> - Might have had a relationship with some one who is much younger to or very

elderly to the native

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> astroimran <astroimran

>

> Tue, 24 November, 2009 8:28:47 PM

> Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

>

>

> Sorry Rohiniranjan,

>

> I presume, you must misunderstood my reply. Referring Taurus lagna and

Aquarius Moon did not mean that they are solely responsible for making a native

writer or researcher. I was just referring the native, since I don't know who

the person is. Let me explain, what I inferred in my last message.

>

> Native: Unknown

> 28 January 1963

> Time: 12:15 PM EST

> Place: Boston, MA, USA

>

> Question: Find out profession.

>

> Varottam Taurus is rising while lord of lagna Venus is sitting in 7th house.

Three benefic planets are tenanting in kendra. Native should be fortunate,

pleasing, long lived, healthy and prominent in community/social circle. The

matter of fame is further supported by association of Jupiter+Moon with arudha

lagna (AL) and gati lagna (GL). Ascendant and Moon in fixed signs render the

native firm minded and prudent. It is not easy to convince her without sound

argument. Exaltation of both lagna lord and Moon in navamsa is indeed a rare

signature. She is bestowed with excellence of mental and physical capabilities,

besides having refined aesthetic sense. One born on Monday, having exalted Moon

in navamsa also possesses very fertile imagination and highly sensitive. Moon

with Jupiter is simultaneously forming a powerful gaja-kesari yoga. In 10th,

this combination shows prominence, social respect and honour. But Moon is the

lord of 3rd and Jupiter is of 8th and

> 11th. Both are functional malefic for Taurus ascendant. Due to this flaw gaja

kesari does not ensure much monetary benefit and unparalleled fame. However, it

yields knowledge, wisdom and keen intellect to understand hidden aspect and best

suited to research oriented fields. Mercury is vidya karaka. In rasi and

navamsa, it is tenanting the sign of Guru and Guru is into Aquarius and aspectig

the 2nd and 4th houses (note the 2nd house shows ones learning inclinations and

4th house indicates formal schooling). So subjects related to Jupiter, i.e.

sacred sciences, metaphysics, law and medicine may be of her interest. Well,

lord of 5th (Mercury) aspects 2nd besides Jupiter's aspect to 2nd is a yoga for

understanding astrology. Afflicted Mars and natural malefic planets in 3rd-9th

without shubh drishti reveal, either she is the youngest among coborn or her

sis/bro parted now. Native may also not very happy with her spouse.

>

> Again come to the query of profession which may be related to writing,

preaching, or research. First take karma karaka Saturn. It is strongly occupied

in 9th as 9th lord. Natives of Capricorn Saturn are dutiful, calculated and

persistent. Saturn in mithunamsa inclines one towards work related to Mercury.

In dasamsa (D10), 10th lord Saturn is in Pisces and aspected by Jupiter and

Mercury ®. Whereas karmapada (A10) is into Gemini. Again, this indicates work

related to Mercury and Jupiter.

>

> However in rasi, Saturn is influenced by four other planets, viz.; Sun, Ketu,

Mars ® and Rahu. By influence I mean here, standard graha drishti and yuti.

Connection of these planets over Saturn suggests initial struggle, aimlessness

and even opposition, up to first Saturn return (1991-92). However, relative kona

(5-9) and dwirdwadasa (2-12) from karaka should also analyze. Here no planet is

in trine to karma karaka Saturn but Jupiter+Moon is ahead and Mercury ® is

behind Saturn. This shubh-kartari yoga indicates luck and financial autonomy

knocked her door during second phase of life.

>

> Lets move to karmasthana (10th house). Jupiter and Moon are occupying here. No

other planets aspects 10th, but Mercury is slightly influencing 10th and (their

occupants) through labha argala. However, influence of Mercury is more due to

Jupiter; since later is a sole dispositor of former. We've already seen that

Mercury is also the navamsa-dispositor of karma karaka Saturn. Thus native

should adopt career related to Mercury, viz. communication, internet, teaching,

preaching, writing, research etc.

>

> Rightnow I'm posting this reply from my office desk and above is what I could

explain with my little understanding. Don't know how right or wrong this

analysis is.

>

> Sincerely,

> M. Imran

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > HI Imran,

> >

> > I was not sharing the information as a challenge but given the rather strong

and definitive sounding (and scholarly, if I may add) posting of yours, I was

hoping that you would utilize this as an opportunity for showcasing and

illustrating the principles and rules that you described in your posting.

> >

> > So, given the taurus lagna and aquarius moon, the person must be one or more

of the possibilities: writer, researcher, fond of classical knowledge and

metaphysics.

> >

> > But I am not understanding clearly why those two factors should lead to the

conclusion that you have arrived at. Again, my intention is not to ambush you or

anything like that but offer an opportunity to illustrate the theoretical

factors described earlier by you.

> >

> > Please elaborate a bit more in details so that the purpose of your original

posting appearning in several places is more fully served. It will be of great

interest to all readers, beginner and beyond.

> >

> > Although you are using 2 factors, is it the 10th house association of the

moon in this chart or 10th house placement of the lord of 3rd that is being

chosen by you as the decisive factor? Or is there mercury and jupiter etc

'between the lines' that are involved as well.

> >

> > I realize that you may not have the time or interest to elaborate, but since

you spent so much time in creating and sharing your original posting, you may

wish to illustrate that with this chart and this will then get fixed in your

readers' minds that much better.

> >

> > I hope you see it that way as well. I will wait for you to write more, if

you wish, and would rather not bias you with my comments about the chart or the

nativity, etc, at this time.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " astroimran " <astroimran@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohiniranjan,

> > >

> > > Your reply seemed different to me (as always). But I was not expecting

such a surprising and challenging quiz. Anyway, let me try. Whether right or

wrong, I would be without ifs and buts.

> > >

> > > On the basis of given chart (Taurus lagna, Aquaius Moon), the native may

be a writer, researcher and fond of classical knowledge and metaphysics.

> > >

> > > With regards,

> > > M. Imran

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi Imraan,

> > > >

> > > > Good points and a great posting! Good to see you coming out of your

shell and challenging the 'status quo' ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Now let us move to the pudding ...

> > > >

> > > > In your opinion, what should this person have done career-wise in her

life if stars were listened to...?

> > > >

> > > > 28 January 1963

> > > > 12:15 PM EST

> > > > Boston, MA, USA

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Ravi,

 

Can comment on certain aspect of the detailed readings (which Imraan calls

guesses, rather modestly!). Person was well-to do, independently (family and

payments through marriage/common-law relationship, as far as I knew), did a bit

of astrology during mid to late 90s -- that is how I got the chart!), to the

best of my knowledge no significant writing skills etc.

 

Hope this helps,

 

RR

 

, " sbt_ravi " <sbt_ravi wrote:

>

> Dear Sri RRji,

> Could you please confirm the findings of Sri Imranji about the career of the

native in the following analysis.

> > > Native: Unknown

> > > 28 January 1963

> > > Time: 12:15 PM EST

> > > Place: Boston, MA, USA

> > >

> > > Question: Find out profession.

> > >

>

> Awaiting your reply.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Ravi.

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Imran,

> >

> > No misunderstanding at all :-)

> > I just wanted to avoid misunderstanding amongst the readers of your message,

hence tried to get a fuller answer from you that will illustrate your earlier

posting about going for the fundamental aspects and then the secondary aspects

etc.

> >

> > Currently, I am a bit preoccupied with some projects but hopefully will get

some quality time over the next several days to read your beautifully elaborate

response in light of your earlier posting and will try to get back to you :-)

> >

> > I also got another very interesting chart for another person born on the

same day (different place and time, of course) which when examined my give some

interesting opportunity for illustrating Jyotish in action!

> >

> > TTYL,

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , " astroimran " <astroimran@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sorry Rohiniranjan,

> > >

> > > I presume, you must misunderstood my reply. Referring Taurus lagna and

Aquarius Moon did not mean that they are solely responsible for making a native

writer or researcher. I was just referring the native, since I don't know who

the person is. Let me explain, what I inferred in my last message.

> > >

> > > Native: Unknown

> > > 28 January 1963

> > > Time: 12:15 PM EST

> > > Place: Boston, MA, USA

> > >

> > > Question: Find out profession.

> > >

> > > Varottam Taurus is rising while lord of lagna Venus is sitting in 7th

house. Three benefic planets are tenanting in kendra. Native should be

fortunate, pleasing, long lived, healthy and prominent in community/social

circle. The matter of fame is further supported by association of Jupiter+Moon

with arudha lagna (AL) and gati lagna (GL). Ascendant and Moon in fixed signs

render the native firm minded and prudent. It is not easy to convince her

without sound argument. Exaltation of both lagna lord and Moon in navamsa is

indeed a rare signature. She is bestowed with excellence of mental and physical

capabilities, besides having refined aesthetic sense. One born on Monday, having

exalted Moon in navamsa also possesses very fertile imagination and highly

sensitive. Moon with Jupiter is simultaneously forming a powerful gaja-kesari

yoga. In 10th, this combination shows prominence, social respect and honour. But

Moon is the lord of 3rd and Jupiter is of 8th and 11th. Both are functional

malefic for Taurus ascendant. Due to this flaw gaja kesari does not ensure much

monetary benefit and unparalleled fame. However, it yields knowledge, wisdom and

keen intellect to understand hidden aspect and best suited to research oriented

fields. Mercury is vidya karaka. In rasi and navamsa, it is tenanting the sign

of Guru and Guru is into Aquarius and aspectig the 2nd and 4th houses (note the

2nd house shows ones learning inclinations and 4th house indicates formal

schooling). So subjects related to Jupiter, i.e. sacred sciences, metaphysics,

law and medicine may be of her interest. Well, lord of 5th (Mercury) aspects 2nd

besides Jupiter's aspect to 2nd is a yoga for understanding astrology. Afflicted

Mars and natural malefic planets in 3rd-9th without shubh drishti reveal, either

she is the youngest among coborn or her sis/bro parted now. Native may also not

very happy with her spouse.

> > >

> > > Again come to the query of profession which may be related to writing,

preaching, or research. First take karma karaka Saturn. It is strongly occupied

in 9th as 9th lord. Natives of Capricorn Saturn are dutiful, calculated and

persistent. Saturn in mithunamsa inclines one towards work related to Mercury.

In dasamsa (D10), 10th lord Saturn is in Pisces and aspected by Jupiter and

Mercury ®. Whereas karmapada (A10) is into Gemini. Again, this indicates work

related to Mercury and Jupiter.

> > >

> > > However in rasi, Saturn is influenced by four other planets, viz.; Sun,

Ketu, Mars ® and Rahu. By influence I mean here, standard graha drishti and

yuti. Connection of these planets over Saturn suggests initial struggle,

aimlessness and even opposition, up to first Saturn return (1991-92). However,

relative kona (5-9) and dwirdwadasa (2-12) from karaka should also analyze. Here

no planet is in trine to karma karaka Saturn but Jupiter+Moon is ahead and

Mercury ® is behind Saturn. This shubh-kartari yoga indicates luck and

financial autonomy knocked her door during second phase of life.

> > >

> > > Lets move to karmasthana (10th house). Jupiter and Moon are occupying

here. No other planets aspects 10th, but Mercury is slightly influencing 10th

and (their occupants) through labha argala. However, influence of Mercury is

more due to Jupiter; since later is a sole dispositor of former. We've already

seen that Mercury is also the navamsa-dispositor of karma karaka Saturn. Thus

native should adopt career related to Mercury, viz. communication, internet,

teaching, preaching, writing, research etc.

> > >

> > > Rightnow I'm posting this reply from my office desk and above is what I

could explain with my little understanding. Don't know how right or wrong this

analysis is.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > > M. Imran

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > HI Imran,

> > > >

> > > > I was not sharing the information as a challenge but given the rather

strong and definitive sounding (and scholarly, if I may add) posting of yours, I

was hoping that you would utilize this as an opportunity for showcasing and

illustrating the principles and rules that you described in your posting.

> > > >

> > > > So, given the taurus lagna and aquarius moon, the person must be one or

more of the possibilities: writer, researcher, fond of classical knowledge and

metaphysics.

> > > >

> > > > But I am not understanding clearly why those two factors should lead to

the conclusion that you have arrived at. Again, my intention is not to ambush

you or anything like that but offer an opportunity to illustrate the theoretical

factors described earlier by you.

> > > >

> > > > Please elaborate a bit more in details so that the purpose of your

original posting appearning in several places is more fully served. It will be

of great interest to all readers, beginner and beyond.

> > > >

> > > > Although you are using 2 factors, is it the 10th house association of

the moon in this chart or 10th house placement of the lord of 3rd that is being

chosen by you as the decisive factor? Or is there mercury and jupiter etc

'between the lines' that are involved as well.

> > > >

> > > > I realize that you may not have the time or interest to elaborate, but

since you spent so much time in creating and sharing your original posting, you

may wish to illustrate that with this chart and this will then get fixed in your

readers' minds that much better.

> > > >

> > > > I hope you see it that way as well. I will wait for you to write more,

if you wish, and would rather not bias you with my comments about the chart or

the nativity, etc, at this time.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , " astroimran " <astroimran@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rohiniranjan,

> > > > >

> > > > > Your reply seemed different to me (as always). But I was not expecting

such a surprising and challenging quiz. Anyway, let me try. Whether right or

wrong, I would be without ifs and buts.

> > > > >

> > > > > On the basis of given chart (Taurus lagna, Aquaius Moon), the native

may be a writer, researcher and fond of classical knowledge and metaphysics.

> > > > >

> > > > > With regards,

> > > > > M. Imran

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Imraan,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Good points and a great posting! Good to see you coming out of your

shell and challenging the 'status quo' ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now let us move to the pudding ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In your opinion, what should this person have done career-wise in

her life if stars were listened to...?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 28 January 1963

> > > > > > 12:15 PM EST

> > > > > > Boston, MA, USA

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

KS_jee,

 

My answers as best I know appended below in curly brackets {}

 

- The native should be quite famous in his area of work {Sadly, NO!}

- He/She works in a highly competative environment {SHE! And -- Sadly, NO!}

- Could be involved with music/singing/media {NO, as far as I know!}

- Might have had a relationship with some one who is much younger to or very

elderly to the native {YES! But not in the sense of it being a romantic one in

the conventional sense, as far as the obviously very private information that

has been shared with me!}.

 

 

Please understand -- I am not critiquing anyone on this thread but we all seem

to possess this tendency (I lead the procession!) that we begin to focus on a

question and then go all over diagonally into other areas and we do that also

with real-time queries and we say fifteen things about a horoscope and five of

them hit the bull's eyes, even if the five have NOTHING to do with the original

question (the occupation of the individual, in this case, for instance!).

 

And THAT actually proves my point to some extent, not necessarily the motivation

for this thread but in general!

 

Third party postings such as this one would NEVER get you the full answer or

ability to explore!

 

You would say a few things, some verified as wrong, a few as, " I don't know! "

and one or two UNCANNILY ACCURATE!

 

WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE YOU IN YOUR JYOTISH JOURNEY?

 

HENCE, I keep hammering upon all, till they get SICK OF ME, that please stop

this third party SECOND-GUESSING! PLEASE begin interacting directly with

nativities and then you are one step-closer to direct answers, often immediate

and way more gratifying.

 

Your CLEVERNESS and 'being in tune' shall lie in your picking the right ones

that would respond! And who shall enhance your learning through immediate and

detailed feedback!

 

Some of us would never have learned to love astrology as much as we do, had we

picked the wrong ones consistently -- the ones who do not provide feedback or

have axes to grind!

 

I do have a few pointers that landed during my observations that can be taken as

WARNING FLAGS etc. Perhaps someday, I shall share (This is not a 'COME HITHER'

AGENDA!) -- just letting you all know that it is possible to some extent and so

please pay attention!

 

Good Luck! To each his/her own experience!!

 

RR_,

 

 

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

wrote:

>

> Just to add my perspective on this:

>

> - The native should be quite famous in his area of work

> - He/She works in a highly competative environment

> - Could be involved with music/singing/media

> - Might have had a relationship with some one who is much younger to or very

elderly to the native

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> astroimran <astroimran

>

> Tue, 24 November, 2009 8:28:47 PM

> Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

>

>

> Sorry Rohiniranjan,

>

> I presume, you must misunderstood my reply. Referring Taurus lagna and

Aquarius Moon did not mean that they are solely responsible for making a native

writer or researcher. I was just referring the native, since I don't know who

the person is. Let me explain, what I inferred in my last message.

>

> Native: Unknown

> 28 January 1963

> Time: 12:15 PM EST

> Place: Boston, MA, USA

>

> Question: Find out profession.

>

> Varottam Taurus is rising while lord of lagna Venus is sitting in 7th house.

Three benefic planets are tenanting in kendra. Native should be fortunate,

pleasing, long lived, healthy and prominent in community/social circle. The

matter of fame is further supported by association of Jupiter+Moon with arudha

lagna (AL) and gati lagna (GL). Ascendant and Moon in fixed signs render the

native firm minded and prudent. It is not easy to convince her without sound

argument. Exaltation of both lagna lord and Moon in navamsa is indeed a rare

signature. She is bestowed with excellence of mental and physical capabilities,

besides having refined aesthetic sense. One born on Monday, having exalted Moon

in navamsa also possesses very fertile imagination and highly sensitive. Moon

with Jupiter is simultaneously forming a powerful gaja-kesari yoga. In 10th,

this combination shows prominence, social respect and honour. But Moon is the

lord of 3rd and Jupiter is of 8th and

> 11th. Both are functional malefic for Taurus ascendant. Due to this flaw gaja

kesari does not ensure much monetary benefit and unparalleled fame. However, it

yields knowledge, wisdom and keen intellect to understand hidden aspect and best

suited to research oriented fields. Mercury is vidya karaka. In rasi and

navamsa, it is tenanting the sign of Guru and Guru is into Aquarius and aspectig

the 2nd and 4th houses (note the 2nd house shows ones learning inclinations and

4th house indicates formal schooling). So subjects related to Jupiter, i.e.

sacred sciences, metaphysics, law and medicine may be of her interest. Well,

lord of 5th (Mercury) aspects 2nd besides Jupiter's aspect to 2nd is a yoga for

understanding astrology. Afflicted Mars and natural malefic planets in 3rd-9th

without shubh drishti reveal, either she is the youngest among coborn or her

sis/bro parted now. Native may also not very happy with her spouse.

>

> Again come to the query of profession which may be related to writing,

preaching, or research. First take karma karaka Saturn. It is strongly occupied

in 9th as 9th lord. Natives of Capricorn Saturn are dutiful, calculated and

persistent. Saturn in mithunamsa inclines one towards work related to Mercury.

In dasamsa (D10), 10th lord Saturn is in Pisces and aspected by Jupiter and

Mercury ®. Whereas karmapada (A10) is into Gemini. Again, this indicates work

related to Mercury and Jupiter.

>

> However in rasi, Saturn is influenced by four other planets, viz.; Sun, Ketu,

Mars ® and Rahu. By influence I mean here, standard graha drishti and yuti.

Connection of these planets over Saturn suggests initial struggle, aimlessness

and even opposition, up to first Saturn return (1991-92). However, relative kona

(5-9) and dwirdwadasa (2-12) from karaka should also analyze. Here no planet is

in trine to karma karaka Saturn but Jupiter+Moon is ahead and Mercury ® is

behind Saturn. This shubh-kartari yoga indicates luck and financial autonomy

knocked her door during second phase of life.

>

> Lets move to karmasthana (10th house). Jupiter and Moon are occupying here. No

other planets aspects 10th, but Mercury is slightly influencing 10th and (their

occupants) through labha argala. However, influence of Mercury is more due to

Jupiter; since later is a sole dispositor of former. We've already seen that

Mercury is also the navamsa-dispositor of karma karaka Saturn. Thus native

should adopt career related to Mercury, viz. communication, internet, teaching,

preaching, writing, research etc.

>

> Rightnow I'm posting this reply from my office desk and above is what I could

explain with my little understanding. Don't know how right or wrong this

analysis is.

>

> Sincerely,

> M. Imran

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > HI Imran,

> >

> > I was not sharing the information as a challenge but given the rather strong

and definitive sounding (and scholarly, if I may add) posting of yours, I was

hoping that you would utilize this as an opportunity for showcasing and

illustrating the principles and rules that you described in your posting.

> >

> > So, given the taurus lagna and aquarius moon, the person must be one or more

of the possibilities: writer, researcher, fond of classical knowledge and

metaphysics.

> >

> > But I am not understanding clearly why those two factors should lead to the

conclusion that you have arrived at. Again, my intention is not to ambush you or

anything like that but offer an opportunity to illustrate the theoretical

factors described earlier by you.

> >

> > Please elaborate a bit more in details so that the purpose of your original

posting appearning in several places is more fully served. It will be of great

interest to all readers, beginner and beyond.

> >

> > Although you are using 2 factors, is it the 10th house association of the

moon in this chart or 10th house placement of the lord of 3rd that is being

chosen by you as the decisive factor? Or is there mercury and jupiter etc

'between the lines' that are involved as well.

> >

> > I realize that you may not have the time or interest to elaborate, but since

you spent so much time in creating and sharing your original posting, you may

wish to illustrate that with this chart and this will then get fixed in your

readers' minds that much better.

> >

> > I hope you see it that way as well. I will wait for you to write more, if

you wish, and would rather not bias you with my comments about the chart or the

nativity, etc, at this time.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " astroimran " <astroimran@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohiniranjan,

> > >

> > > Your reply seemed different to me (as always). But I was not expecting

such a surprising and challenging quiz. Anyway, let me try. Whether right or

wrong, I would be without ifs and buts.

> > >

> > > On the basis of given chart (Taurus lagna, Aquaius Moon), the native may

be a writer, researcher and fond of classical knowledge and metaphysics.

> > >

> > > With regards,

> > > M. Imran

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi Imraan,

> > > >

> > > > Good points and a great posting! Good to see you coming out of your

shell and challenging the 'status quo' ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Now let us move to the pudding ...

> > > >

> > > > In your opinion, what should this person have done career-wise in her

life if stars were listened to...?

> > > >

> > > > 28 January 1963

> > > > 12:15 PM EST

> > > > Boston, MA, USA

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Nandini,

 

Why do you say, " Stress in the 3-9 axis? "

What did you mean by 'Final Dispositor?'

What does that do? With saturn involved and the term " FINAL " your message sounds

very ominous! Did you really mean that?

 

Particularly if I tell you that the person may be reading your responses here?

 

Please Explain...!

 

RR_,

 

, " nandini " <kakan_leo wrote:

>

> Wondering if interaction with children is involved here as also disease in

some form.

>

> There is a lot of stress in the 3/9 axis. The individual would need a good

amount of inner strength to overcome all that and have a meaningful career.

Specially since she went through the dasha of Saturn during her growing-up years

and indicators of parents are strongly involved in this axis. Saturn is the

final dispositor in this chart.

>

> The dasha of Vargottam AK Mercury, placed in 8th in rashi and navamsha would

also not have been very easy to go through. But it would have been a more

meaningful time for her since Mercury does well in Dashamsha and it is the

AtmaKarak.

>

> She could be interested in astrology.

>

> But this is just a learner's attempt.

>

> Regards,

> Nandini

>

> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@>

wrote:

> >

> > Just an after thought. When I say that the native might be working under a

very competitive environment, it is also possible that the native is in the

field of sport in addition to others I have already mentioned.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@>

> >

> > Tue, 24 November, 2009 10:27:48 PM

> > Re: Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

> >

> >

> > Just to add my perspective on this:

> >

> > - The native should be quite famous in his area of work

> > - He/She works in a highly competative environment

> > - Could be involved with music/singing/media

> > - Might have had a relationship with some one who is much younger to or very

elderly to the native

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > astroimran <astroimran@>

> >

> > Tue, 24 November, 2009 8:28:47 PM

> > Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

> >

> >

> > Sorry Rohiniranjan,

> >

> > I presume, you must misunderstood my reply. Referring Taurus lagna and

Aquarius Moon did not mean that they are solely responsible for making a native

writer or researcher. I was just referring the native, since I don't know who

the person is. Let me explain, what I inferred in my last message.

> >

> > Native: Unknown

> > 28 January 1963

> > Time: 12:15 PM EST

> > Place: Boston, MA, USA

> >

> > Question: Find out profession.

> >

> > Varottam Taurus is rising while lord of lagna Venus is sitting in 7th house.

Three benefic planets are tenanting in kendra. Native should be fortunate,

pleasing, long lived, healthy and prominent in community/social circle. The

matter of fame is further supported by association of Jupiter+Moon with arudha

lagna (AL) and gati lagna (GL). Ascendant and Moon in fixed signs render the

native firm minded and prudent. It is not easy to convince her without sound

argument. Exaltation of both lagna lord and Moon in navamsa is indeed a rare

signature. She is bestowed with excellence of mental and physical capabilities,

besides having refined aesthetic sense. One born on Monday, having exalted Moon

in navamsa also possesses very fertile imagination and highly sensitive. Moon

with Jupiter is simultaneously forming a powerful gaja-kesari yoga. In 10th,

this combination shows prominence, social respect and honour. But Moon is the

lord of 3rd and Jupiter is of 8th and

> > 11th. Both are functional malefic for Taurus ascendant. Due to this flaw

gaja kesari does not ensure much monetary benefit and unparalleled fame.

However, it yields knowledge, wisdom and keen intellect to understand hidden

aspect and best suited to research oriented fields. Mercury is vidya karaka. In

rasi and navamsa, it is tenanting the sign of Guru and Guru is into Aquarius and

aspectig the 2nd and 4th houses (note the 2nd house shows ones learning

inclinations and 4th house indicates formal schooling). So subjects related to

Jupiter, i.e. sacred sciences, metaphysics, law and medicine may be of her

interest. Well, lord of 5th (Mercury) aspects 2nd besides Jupiter's aspect to

2nd is a yoga for understanding astrology. Afflicted Mars and natural malefic

planets in 3rd-9th without shubh drishti reveal, either she is the youngest

among coborn or her sis/bro parted now. Native may also not very happy with her

spouse.

> >

> > Again come to the query of profession which may be related to writing,

preaching, or research. First take karma karaka Saturn. It is strongly occupied

in 9th as 9th lord. Natives of Capricorn Saturn are dutiful, calculated and

persistent. Saturn in mithunamsa inclines one towards work related to Mercury.

In dasamsa (D10), 10th lord Saturn is in Pisces and aspected by Jupiter and

Mercury ®. Whereas karmapada (A10) is into Gemini. Again, this indicates work

related to Mercury and Jupiter.

> >

> > However in rasi, Saturn is influenced by four other planets, viz.; Sun,

Ketu, Mars ® and Rahu. By influence I mean here, standard graha drishti and

yuti. Connection of these planets over Saturn suggests initial struggle,

aimlessness and even opposition, up to first Saturn return (1991-92). However,

relative kona (5-9) and dwirdwadasa (2-12) from karaka should also analyze. Here

no planet is in trine to karma karaka Saturn but Jupiter+Moon is ahead and

Mercury ® is behind Saturn. This shubh-kartari yoga indicates luck and

financial autonomy knocked her door during second phase of life.

> >

> > Lets move to karmasthana (10th house). Jupiter and Moon are occupying here.

No other planets aspects 10th, but Mercury is slightly influencing 10th and

(their occupants) through labha argala. However, influence of Mercury is more

due to Jupiter; since later is a sole dispositor of former. We've already seen

that Mercury is also the navamsa-dispositor of karma karaka Saturn. Thus native

should adopt career related to Mercury, viz. communication, internet, teaching,

preaching, writing, research etc.

> >

> > Rightnow I'm posting this reply from my office desk and above is what I

could explain with my little understanding. Don't know how right or wrong this

analysis is.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > M. Imran

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > HI Imran,

> > >

> > > I was not sharing the information as a challenge but given the rather

strong and definitive sounding (and scholarly, if I may add) posting of yours, I

was hoping that you would utilize this as an opportunity for showcasing and

illustrating the principles and rules that you described in your posting.

> > >

> > > So, given the taurus lagna and aquarius moon, the person must be one or

more of the possibilities: writer, researcher, fond of classical knowledge and

metaphysics.

> > >

> > > But I am not understanding clearly why those two factors should lead to

the conclusion that you have arrived at. Again, my intention is not to ambush

you or anything like that but offer an opportunity to illustrate the theoretical

factors described earlier by you.

> > >

> > > Please elaborate a bit more in details so that the purpose of your

original posting appearning in several places is more fully served. It will be

of great interest to all readers, beginner and beyond.

> > >

> > > Although you are using 2 factors, is it the 10th house association of the

moon in this chart or 10th house placement of the lord of 3rd that is being

chosen by you as the decisive factor? Or is there mercury and jupiter etc

'between the lines' that are involved as well.

> > >

> > > I realize that you may not have the time or interest to elaborate, but

since you spent so much time in creating and sharing your original posting, you

may wish to illustrate that with this chart and this will then get fixed in your

readers' minds that much better.

> > >

> > > I hope you see it that way as well. I will wait for you to write more, if

you wish, and would rather not bias you with my comments about the chart or the

nativity, etc, at this time.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " astroimran " <astroimran@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rohiniranjan,

> > > >

> > > > Your reply seemed different to me (as always). But I was not expecting

such a surprising and challenging quiz. Anyway, let me try. Whether right or

wrong, I would be without ifs and buts.

> > > >

> > > > On the basis of given chart (Taurus lagna, Aquaius Moon), the native may

be a writer, researcher and fond of classical knowledge and metaphysics.

> > > >

> > > > With regards,

> > > > M. Imran

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Imraan,

> > > > >

> > > > > Good points and a great posting! Good to see you coming out of your

shell and challenging the 'status quo' ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Now let us move to the pudding ...

> > > > >

> > > > > In your opinion, what should this person have done career-wise in her

life if stars were listened to...?

> > > > >

> > > > > 28 January 1963

> > > > > 12:15 PM EST

> > > > > Boston, MA, USA

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear RR ji,

 

I understand your view point. All of us are not good in all areas of jyotish.

All of us are still learning. If anyone says NO to this, I would like to test

him/her out. However, after putting a few years of learning each one has their

own specialty areas, possibly. And, profession is not one of them for me.

Unfortunately, the question was about profession and I wanted to try out my

learning so far. I failed. That is OK. It tells me that I need to put in much

more effort and focus on this area.

 

And, my comment about the relationship was not based on any guess work. The

prediction did not come true by fluke. I have done reasonably extensive study in

this area. And, my work has been already published. The moment I saw the

horoscope this point glaringly appeared. Hence, I added that at the end even

though the question was about profession. If you are interested to know about my

work, you may want to look at:

 

http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com/2007_12_01_archive.html

 

And, I will assure you that there are no hard feelings. I attempted this

voluntarily though the question was directed to Imran. I did that with my own

interest to test my learning rather than with any other motive.

 

Thanks for your time and effort on this.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

________________________________

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

 

Tue, 1 December, 2009 8:11:30 AM

Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

 

 

KS_jee,

 

My answers as best I know appended below in curly brackets {}

 

- The native should be quite famous in his area of work {Sadly, NO!}

- He/She works in a highly competative environment {SHE! And -- Sadly, NO!}

- Could be involved with music/singing/ media {NO, as far as I know!}

- Might have had a relationship with some one who is much younger to or very

elderly to the native {YES! But not in the sense of it being a romantic one in

the conventional sense, as far as the obviously very private information that

has been shared with me!}.

 

Please understand -- I am not critiquing anyone on this thread but we all seem

to possess this tendency (I lead the procession!) that we begin to focus on a

question and then go all over diagonally into other areas and we do that also

with real-time queries and we say fifteen things about a horoscope and five of

them hit the bull's eyes, even if the five have NOTHING to do with the original

question (the occupation of the individual, in this case, for instance!).

 

And THAT actually proves my point to some extent, not necessarily the motivation

for this thread but in general!

 

Third party postings such as this one would NEVER get you the full answer or

ability to explore!

 

You would say a few things, some verified as wrong, a few as, " I don't know! "

and one or two UNCANNILY ACCURATE!

 

WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE YOU IN YOUR JYOTISH JOURNEY?

 

HENCE, I keep hammering upon all, till they get SICK OF ME, that please stop

this third party SECOND-GUESSING! PLEASE begin interacting directly with

nativities and then you are one step-closer to direct answers, often immediate

and way more gratifying.

 

Your CLEVERNESS and 'being in tune' shall lie in your picking the right ones

that would respond! And who shall enhance your learning through immediate and

detailed feedback!

 

Some of us would never have learned to love astrology as much as we do, had we

picked the wrong ones consistently -- the ones who do not provide feedback or

have axes to grind!

 

I do have a few pointers that landed during my observations that can be taken as

WARNING FLAGS etc. Perhaps someday, I shall share (This is not a 'COME HITHER'

AGENDA!) -- just letting you all know that it is possible to some extent and so

please pay attention!

 

Good Luck! To each his/her own experience!!

 

RR_,

 

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@

....> wrote:

>

> Just to add my perspective on this:

>

> - The native should be quite famous in his area of work

> - He/She works in a highly competative environment

> - Could be involved with music/singing/ media

> - Might have had a relationship with some one who is much younger to or very

elderly to the native

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> astroimran <astroimran@ ...>

>

> Tue, 24 November, 2009 8:28:47 PM

> Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

>

>

> Sorry Rohiniranjan,

>

> I presume, you must misunderstood my reply. Referring Taurus lagna and

Aquarius Moon did not mean that they are solely responsible for making a native

writer or researcher. I was just referring the native, since I don't know who

the person is. Let me explain, what I inferred in my last message.

>

> Native: Unknown

> 28 January 1963

> Time: 12:15 PM EST

> Place: Boston, MA, USA

>

> Question: Find out profession.

>

> Varottam Taurus is rising while lord of lagna Venus is sitting in 7th house.

Three benefic planets are tenanting in kendra. Native should be fortunate,

pleasing, long lived, healthy and prominent in community/social circle. The

matter of fame is further supported by association of Jupiter+Moon with arudha

lagna (AL) and gati lagna (GL). Ascendant and Moon in fixed signs render the

native firm minded and prudent. It is not easy to convince her without sound

argument. Exaltation of both lagna lord and Moon in navamsa is indeed a rare

signature. She is bestowed with excellence of mental and physical capabilities,

besides having refined aesthetic sense. One born on Monday, having exalted Moon

in navamsa also possesses very fertile imagination and highly sensitive. Moon

with Jupiter is simultaneously forming a powerful gaja-kesari yoga. In 10th,

this combination shows prominence, social respect and honour. But Moon is the

lord of 3rd and Jupiter is of 8th

and

> 11th. Both are functional malefic for Taurus ascendant. Due to this flaw gaja

kesari does not ensure much monetary benefit and unparalleled fame. However, it

yields knowledge, wisdom and keen intellect to understand hidden aspect and best

suited to research oriented fields. Mercury is vidya karaka. In rasi and

navamsa, it is tenanting the sign of Guru and Guru is into Aquarius and aspectig

the 2nd and 4th houses (note the 2nd house shows ones learning inclinations and

4th house indicates formal schooling). So subjects related to Jupiter, i.e.

sacred sciences, metaphysics, law and medicine may be of her interest. Well,

lord of 5th (Mercury) aspects 2nd besides Jupiter's aspect to 2nd is a yoga for

understanding astrology. Afflicted Mars and natural malefic planets in 3rd-9th

without shubh drishti reveal, either she is the youngest among coborn or her

sis/bro parted now. Native may also not very happy with her spouse.

>

> Again come to the query of profession which may be related to writing,

preaching, or research. First take karma karaka Saturn. It is strongly occupied

in 9th as 9th lord. Natives of Capricorn Saturn are dutiful, calculated and

persistent. Saturn in mithunamsa inclines one towards work related to Mercury.

In dasamsa (D10), 10th lord Saturn is in Pisces and aspected by Jupiter and

Mercury ®. Whereas karmapada (A10) is into Gemini. Again, this indicates work

related to Mercury and Jupiter.

>

> However in rasi, Saturn is influenced by four other planets, viz.; Sun, Ketu,

Mars ® and Rahu. By influence I mean here, standard graha drishti and yuti.

Connection of these planets over Saturn suggests initial struggle, aimlessness

and even opposition, up to first Saturn return (1991-92). However, relative kona

(5-9) and dwirdwadasa (2-12) from karaka should also analyze. Here no planet is

in trine to karma karaka Saturn but Jupiter+Moon is ahead and Mercury ® is

behind Saturn. This shubh-kartari yoga indicates luck and financial autonomy

knocked her door during second phase of life.

>

> Lets move to karmasthana (10th house). Jupiter and Moon are occupying here. No

other planets aspects 10th, but Mercury is slightly influencing 10th and (their

occupants) through labha argala. However, influence of Mercury is more due to

Jupiter; since later is a sole dispositor of former. We've already seen that

Mercury is also the navamsa-dispositor of karma karaka Saturn. Thus native

should adopt career related to Mercury, viz. communication, internet, teaching,

preaching, writing, research etc.

>

> Rightnow I'm posting this reply from my office desk and above is what I could

explain with my little understanding. Don't know how right or wrong this

analysis is.

>

> Sincerely,

> M. Imran

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > HI Imran,

> >

> > I was not sharing the information as a challenge but given the rather strong

and definitive sounding (and scholarly, if I may add) posting of yours, I was

hoping that you would utilize this as an opportunity for showcasing and

illustrating the principles and rules that you described in your posting.

> >

> > So, given the taurus lagna and aquarius moon, the person must be one or more

of the possibilities: writer, researcher, fond of classical knowledge and

metaphysics.

> >

> > But I am not understanding clearly why those two factors should lead to the

conclusion that you have arrived at. Again, my intention is not to ambush you or

anything like that but offer an opportunity to illustrate the theoretical

factors described earlier by you.

> >

> > Please elaborate a bit more in details so that the purpose of your original

posting appearning in several places is more fully served. It will be of great

interest to all readers, beginner and beyond.

> >

> > Although you are using 2 factors, is it the 10th house association of the

moon in this chart or 10th house placement of the lord of 3rd that is being

chosen by you as the decisive factor? Or is there mercury and jupiter etc

'between the lines' that are involved as well.

> >

> > I realize that you may not have the time or interest to elaborate, but since

you spent so much time in creating and sharing your original posting, you may

wish to illustrate that with this chart and this will then get fixed in your

readers' minds that much better.

> >

> > I hope you see it that way as well. I will wait for you to write more, if

you wish, and would rather not bias you with my comments about the chart or the

nativity, etc, at this time.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " astroimran " <astroimran@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohiniranjan,

> > >

> > > Your reply seemed different to me (as always). But I was not expecting

such a surprising and challenging quiz. Anyway, let me try. Whether right or

wrong, I would be without ifs and buts.

> > >

> > > On the basis of given chart (Taurus lagna, Aquaius Moon), the native may

be a writer, researcher and fond of classical knowledge and metaphysics.

> > >

> > > With regards,

> > > M. Imran

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi Imraan,

> > > >

> > > > Good points and a great posting! Good to see you coming out of your

shell and challenging the 'status quo' ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Now let us move to the pudding ...

> > > >

> > > > In your opinion, what should this person have done career-wise in her

life if stars were listened to...?

> > > >

> > > > 28 January 1963

> > > > 12:15 PM EST

> > > > Boston, MA, USA

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Krishna jee,

 

Few points if I may:

 

Thanks for your sharing but in most of these responses, I am/was/will be general

and not specifically directing at you personally or what you posted. Please

never take it personally!

 

I shall read your blog in details soon and once again, I was not critiquing you

but just making the point that third party postings are not the best way,

because Astrology is a language and a communication between jyotishi and jaatak!

The rest is all hearsay and incomplete communication! As I am sure an

experienced explorer like you already has experienced!

 

And yes it is fun to participate in exercises like the current one, but nothing

like the direct experience between Jyotishi and Jatak.

 

That was all I was saying and have always said!

 

RR_,

 

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

wrote:

>

> Dear RR ji,

>

> I understand your view point. All of us are not good in all areas of jyotish.

All of us are still learning. If anyone says NO to this, I would like to test

him/her out. However, after putting a few years of learning each one has their

own specialty areas, possibly. And, profession is not one of them for me.

Unfortunately, the question was about profession and I wanted to try out my

learning so far. I failed. That is OK. It tells me that I need to put in much

more effort and focus on this area.

>

> And, my comment about the relationship was not based on any guess work. The

prediction did not come true by fluke. I have done reasonably extensive study in

this area. And, my work has been already published. The moment I saw the

horoscope this point glaringly appeared. Hence, I added that at the end even

though the question was about profession. If you are interested to know about my

work, you may want to look at:

>

> http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com/2007_12_01_archive.html

>

> And, I will assure you that there are no hard feelings. I attempted this

voluntarily though the question was directed to Imran. I did that with my own

interest to test my learning rather than with any other motive.

>

> Thanks for your time and effort on this.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

>

> Tue, 1 December, 2009 8:11:30 AM

> Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

>

>

> KS_jee,

>

> My answers as best I know appended below in curly brackets {}

>

> - The native should be quite famous in his area of work {Sadly, NO!}

> - He/She works in a highly competative environment {SHE! And -- Sadly, NO!}

> - Could be involved with music/singing/ media {NO, as far as I know!}

> - Might have had a relationship with some one who is much younger to or very

elderly to the native {YES! But not in the sense of it being a romantic one in

the conventional sense, as far as the obviously very private information that

has been shared with me!}.

>

> Please understand -- I am not critiquing anyone on this thread but we all seem

to possess this tendency (I lead the procession!) that we begin to focus on a

question and then go all over diagonally into other areas and we do that also

with real-time queries and we say fifteen things about a horoscope and five of

them hit the bull's eyes, even if the five have NOTHING to do with the original

question (the occupation of the individual, in this case, for instance!).

>

> And THAT actually proves my point to some extent, not necessarily the

motivation for this thread but in general!

>

> Third party postings such as this one would NEVER get you the full answer or

ability to explore!

>

> You would say a few things, some verified as wrong, a few as, " I don't know! "

and one or two UNCANNILY ACCURATE!

>

> WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE YOU IN YOUR JYOTISH JOURNEY?

>

> HENCE, I keep hammering upon all, till they get SICK OF ME, that please stop

this third party SECOND-GUESSING! PLEASE begin interacting directly with

nativities and then you are one step-closer to direct answers, often immediate

and way more gratifying.

>

> Your CLEVERNESS and 'being in tune' shall lie in your picking the right ones

that would respond! And who shall enhance your learning through immediate and

detailed feedback!

>

> Some of us would never have learned to love astrology as much as we do, had we

picked the wrong ones consistently -- the ones who do not provide feedback or

have axes to grind!

>

> I do have a few pointers that landed during my observations that can be taken

as WARNING FLAGS etc. Perhaps someday, I shall share (This is not a 'COME

HITHER' AGENDA!) -- just letting you all know that it is possible to some extent

and so please pay attention!

>

> Good Luck! To each his/her own experience!!

>

> RR_,

>

> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Just to add my perspective on this:

> >

> > - The native should be quite famous in his area of work

> > - He/She works in a highly competative environment

> > - Could be involved with music/singing/ media

> > - Might have had a relationship with some one who is much younger to or very

elderly to the native

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > astroimran <astroimran@ ...>

> >

> > Tue, 24 November, 2009 8:28:47 PM

> > Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

> >

> >

> > Sorry Rohiniranjan,

> >

> > I presume, you must misunderstood my reply. Referring Taurus lagna and

Aquarius Moon did not mean that they are solely responsible for making a native

writer or researcher. I was just referring the native, since I don't know who

the person is. Let me explain, what I inferred in my last message.

> >

> > Native: Unknown

> > 28 January 1963

> > Time: 12:15 PM EST

> > Place: Boston, MA, USA

> >

> > Question: Find out profession.

> >

> > Varottam Taurus is rising while lord of lagna Venus is sitting in 7th house.

Three benefic planets are tenanting in kendra. Native should be fortunate,

pleasing, long lived, healthy and prominent in community/social circle. The

matter of fame is further supported by association of Jupiter+Moon with arudha

lagna (AL) and gati lagna (GL). Ascendant and Moon in fixed signs render the

native firm minded and prudent. It is not easy to convince her without sound

argument. Exaltation of both lagna lord and Moon in navamsa is indeed a rare

signature. She is bestowed with excellence of mental and physical capabilities,

besides having refined aesthetic sense. One born on Monday, having exalted Moon

in navamsa also possesses very fertile imagination and highly sensitive. Moon

with Jupiter is simultaneously forming a powerful gaja-kesari yoga. In 10th,

this combination shows prominence, social respect and honour. But Moon is the

lord of 3rd and Jupiter is of 8th

> and

> > 11th. Both are functional malefic for Taurus ascendant. Due to this flaw

gaja kesari does not ensure much monetary benefit and unparalleled fame.

However, it yields knowledge, wisdom and keen intellect to understand hidden

aspect and best suited to research oriented fields. Mercury is vidya karaka. In

rasi and navamsa, it is tenanting the sign of Guru and Guru is into Aquarius and

aspectig the 2nd and 4th houses (note the 2nd house shows ones learning

inclinations and 4th house indicates formal schooling). So subjects related to

Jupiter, i.e. sacred sciences, metaphysics, law and medicine may be of her

interest. Well, lord of 5th (Mercury) aspects 2nd besides Jupiter's aspect to

2nd is a yoga for understanding astrology. Afflicted Mars and natural malefic

planets in 3rd-9th without shubh drishti reveal, either she is the youngest

among coborn or her sis/bro parted now. Native may also not very happy with her

spouse.

> >

> > Again come to the query of profession which may be related to writing,

preaching, or research. First take karma karaka Saturn. It is strongly occupied

in 9th as 9th lord. Natives of Capricorn Saturn are dutiful, calculated and

persistent. Saturn in mithunamsa inclines one towards work related to Mercury.

In dasamsa (D10), 10th lord Saturn is in Pisces and aspected by Jupiter and

Mercury ®. Whereas karmapada (A10) is into Gemini. Again, this indicates work

related to Mercury and Jupiter.

> >

> > However in rasi, Saturn is influenced by four other planets, viz.; Sun,

Ketu, Mars ® and Rahu. By influence I mean here, standard graha drishti and

yuti. Connection of these planets over Saturn suggests initial struggle,

aimlessness and even opposition, up to first Saturn return (1991-92). However,

relative kona (5-9) and dwirdwadasa (2-12) from karaka should also analyze. Here

no planet is in trine to karma karaka Saturn but Jupiter+Moon is ahead and

Mercury ® is behind Saturn. This shubh-kartari yoga indicates luck and

financial autonomy knocked her door during second phase of life.

> >

> > Lets move to karmasthana (10th house). Jupiter and Moon are occupying here.

No other planets aspects 10th, but Mercury is slightly influencing 10th and

(their occupants) through labha argala. However, influence of Mercury is more

due to Jupiter; since later is a sole dispositor of former. We've already seen

that Mercury is also the navamsa-dispositor of karma karaka Saturn. Thus native

should adopt career related to Mercury, viz. communication, internet, teaching,

preaching, writing, research etc.

> >

> > Rightnow I'm posting this reply from my office desk and above is what I

could explain with my little understanding. Don't know how right or wrong this

analysis is.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > M. Imran

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > HI Imran,

> > >

> > > I was not sharing the information as a challenge but given the rather

strong and definitive sounding (and scholarly, if I may add) posting of yours, I

was hoping that you would utilize this as an opportunity for showcasing and

illustrating the principles and rules that you described in your posting.

> > >

> > > So, given the taurus lagna and aquarius moon, the person must be one or

more of the possibilities: writer, researcher, fond of classical knowledge and

metaphysics.

> > >

> > > But I am not understanding clearly why those two factors should lead to

the conclusion that you have arrived at. Again, my intention is not to ambush

you or anything like that but offer an opportunity to illustrate the theoretical

factors described earlier by you.

> > >

> > > Please elaborate a bit more in details so that the purpose of your

original posting appearning in several places is more fully served. It will be

of great interest to all readers, beginner and beyond.

> > >

> > > Although you are using 2 factors, is it the 10th house association of the

moon in this chart or 10th house placement of the lord of 3rd that is being

chosen by you as the decisive factor? Or is there mercury and jupiter etc

'between the lines' that are involved as well.

> > >

> > > I realize that you may not have the time or interest to elaborate, but

since you spent so much time in creating and sharing your original posting, you

may wish to illustrate that with this chart and this will then get fixed in your

readers' minds that much better.

> > >

> > > I hope you see it that way as well. I will wait for you to write more, if

you wish, and would rather not bias you with my comments about the chart or the

nativity, etc, at this time.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " astroimran " <astroimran@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rohiniranjan,

> > > >

> > > > Your reply seemed different to me (as always). But I was not expecting

such a surprising and challenging quiz. Anyway, let me try. Whether right or

wrong, I would be without ifs and buts.

> > > >

> > > > On the basis of given chart (Taurus lagna, Aquaius Moon), the native may

be a writer, researcher and fond of classical knowledge and metaphysics.

> > > >

> > > > With regards,

> > > > M. Imran

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Imraan,

> > > > >

> > > > > Good points and a great posting! Good to see you coming out of your

shell and challenging the 'status quo' ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Now let us move to the pudding ...

> > > > >

> > > > > In your opinion, what should this person have done career-wise in her

life if stars were listened to...?

> > > > >

> > > > > 28 January 1963

> > > > > 12:15 PM EST

> > > > > Boston, MA, USA

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear RR ji,

 

Yes, I agree with your views in general. And, just to clarify, I have not

misunderstood you at all!

 

In fact, if some one had queried " what area of profession is good for me based

on my chart? " , I would have not responded to that query knowing my limitations

in the area under question.

 

You have not yet revealed the profession of the native. It only helps to know

the truth. Hope you will share the details.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

 

Tue, 1 December, 2009 9:25:07 AM

Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

 

 

Dear Krishna jee,

 

Few points if I may:

 

Thanks for your sharing but in most of these responses, I am/was/will be general

and not specifically directing at you personally or what you posted. Please

never take it personally!

 

I shall read your blog in details soon and once again, I was not critiquing you

but just making the point that third party postings are not the best way,

because Astrology is a language and a communication between jyotishi and jaatak!

The rest is all hearsay and incomplete communication! As I am sure an

experienced explorer like you already has experienced!

 

And yes it is fun to participate in exercises like the current one, but nothing

like the direct experience between Jyotishi and Jatak.

 

That was all I was saying and have always said!

 

RR_,

 

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@

....> wrote:

>

> Dear RR ji,

>

> I understand your view point. All of us are not good in all areas of jyotish.

All of us are still learning. If anyone says NO to this, I would like to test

him/her out. However, after putting a few years of learning each one has their

own specialty areas, possibly. And, profession is not one of them for me.

Unfortunately, the question was about profession and I wanted to try out my

learning so far. I failed. That is OK. It tells me that I need to put in much

more effort and focus on this area.

>

> And, my comment about the relationship was not based on any guess work. The

prediction did not come true by fluke. I have done reasonably extensive study in

this area. And, my work has been already published. The moment I saw the

horoscope this point glaringly appeared. Hence, I added that at the end even

though the question was about profession. If you are interested to know about my

work, you may want to look at:

>

> http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com/2007_ 12_01_archive. html

>

> And, I will assure you that there are no hard feelings. I attempted this

voluntarily though the question was directed to Imran. I did that with my own

interest to test my learning rather than with any other motive.

>

> Thanks for your time and effort on this.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

>

> Tue, 1 December, 2009 8:11:30 AM

> Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

>

>

> KS_jee,

>

> My answers as best I know appended below in curly brackets {}

>

> - The native should be quite famous in his area of work {Sadly, NO!}

> - He/She works in a highly competative environment {SHE! And -- Sadly, NO!}

> - Could be involved with music/singing/ media {NO, as far as I know!}

> - Might have had a relationship with some one who is much younger to or very

elderly to the native {YES! But not in the sense of it being a romantic one in

the conventional sense, as far as the obviously very private information that

has been shared with me!}.

>

> Please understand -- I am not critiquing anyone on this thread but we all seem

to possess this tendency (I lead the procession!) that we begin to focus on a

question and then go all over diagonally into other areas and we do that also

with real-time queries and we say fifteen things about a horoscope and five of

them hit the bull's eyes, even if the five have NOTHING to do with the original

question (the occupation of the individual, in this case, for instance!).

>

> And THAT actually proves my point to some extent, not necessarily the

motivation for this thread but in general!

>

> Third party postings such as this one would NEVER get you the full answer or

ability to explore!

>

> You would say a few things, some verified as wrong, a few as, " I don't know! "

and one or two UNCANNILY ACCURATE!

>

> WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE YOU IN YOUR JYOTISH JOURNEY?

>

> HENCE, I keep hammering upon all, till they get SICK OF ME, that please stop

this third party SECOND-GUESSING! PLEASE begin interacting directly with

nativities and then you are one step-closer to direct answers, often immediate

and way more gratifying.

>

> Your CLEVERNESS and 'being in tune' shall lie in your picking the right ones

that would respond! And who shall enhance your learning through immediate and

detailed feedback!

>

> Some of us would never have learned to love astrology as much as we do, had we

picked the wrong ones consistently -- the ones who do not provide feedback or

have axes to grind!

>

> I do have a few pointers that landed during my observations that can be taken

as WARNING FLAGS etc. Perhaps someday, I shall share (This is not a 'COME

HITHER' AGENDA!) -- just letting you all know that it is possible to some extent

and so please pay attention!

>

> Good Luck! To each his/her own experience!!

>

> RR_,

>

> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Just to add my perspective on this:

> >

> > - The native should be quite famous in his area of work

> > - He/She works in a highly competative environment

> > - Could be involved with music/singing/ media

> > - Might have had a relationship with some one who is much younger to or very

elderly to the native

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > astroimran <astroimran@ ...>

> >

> > Tue, 24 November, 2009 8:28:47 PM

> > Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

> >

> >

> > Sorry Rohiniranjan,

> >

> > I presume, you must misunderstood my reply. Referring Taurus lagna and

Aquarius Moon did not mean that they are solely responsible for making a native

writer or researcher. I was just referring the native, since I don't know who

the person is. Let me explain, what I inferred in my last message.

> >

> > Native: Unknown

> > 28 January 1963

> > Time: 12:15 PM EST

> > Place: Boston, MA, USA

> >

> > Question: Find out profession.

> >

> > Varottam Taurus is rising while lord of lagna Venus is sitting in 7th house.

Three benefic planets are tenanting in kendra. Native should be fortunate,

pleasing, long lived, healthy and prominent in community/social circle. The

matter of fame is further supported by association of Jupiter+Moon with arudha

lagna (AL) and gati lagna (GL). Ascendant and Moon in fixed signs render the

native firm minded and prudent. It is not easy to convince her without sound

argument. Exaltation of both lagna lord and Moon in navamsa is indeed a rare

signature. She is bestowed with excellence of mental and physical capabilities,

besides having refined aesthetic sense. One born on Monday, having exalted Moon

in navamsa also possesses very fertile imagination and highly sensitive. Moon

with Jupiter is simultaneously forming a powerful gaja-kesari yoga. In 10th,

this combination shows prominence, social respect and honour. But Moon is the

lord of 3rd and Jupiter is of 8th

> and

> > 11th. Both are functional malefic for Taurus ascendant. Due to this flaw

gaja kesari does not ensure much monetary benefit and unparalleled fame.

However, it yields knowledge, wisdom and keen intellect to understand hidden

aspect and best suited to research oriented fields. Mercury is vidya karaka. In

rasi and navamsa, it is tenanting the sign of Guru and Guru is into Aquarius and

aspectig the 2nd and 4th houses (note the 2nd house shows ones learning

inclinations and 4th house indicates formal schooling). So subjects related to

Jupiter, i.e. sacred sciences, metaphysics, law and medicine may be of her

interest. Well, lord of 5th (Mercury) aspects 2nd besides Jupiter's aspect to

2nd is a yoga for understanding astrology. Afflicted Mars and natural malefic

planets in 3rd-9th without shubh drishti reveal, either she is the youngest

among coborn or her sis/bro parted now. Native may also not very happy with her

spouse.

> >

> > Again come to the query of profession which may be related to writing,

preaching, or research. First take karma karaka Saturn. It is strongly occupied

in 9th as 9th lord. Natives of Capricorn Saturn are dutiful, calculated and

persistent. Saturn in mithunamsa inclines one towards work related to Mercury.

In dasamsa (D10), 10th lord Saturn is in Pisces and aspected by Jupiter and

Mercury ®. Whereas karmapada (A10) is into Gemini. Again, this indicates work

related to Mercury and Jupiter.

> >

> > However in rasi, Saturn is influenced by four other planets, viz.; Sun,

Ketu, Mars ® and Rahu. By influence I mean here, standard graha drishti and

yuti. Connection of these planets over Saturn suggests initial struggle,

aimlessness and even opposition, up to first Saturn return (1991-92). However,

relative kona (5-9) and dwirdwadasa (2-12) from karaka should also analyze. Here

no planet is in trine to karma karaka Saturn but Jupiter+Moon is ahead and

Mercury ® is behind Saturn. This shubh-kartari yoga indicates luck and

financial autonomy knocked her door during second phase of life.

> >

> > Lets move to karmasthana (10th house). Jupiter and Moon are occupying here.

No other planets aspects 10th, but Mercury is slightly influencing 10th and

(their occupants) through labha argala. However, influence of Mercury is more

due to Jupiter; since later is a sole dispositor of former. We've already seen

that Mercury is also the navamsa-dispositor of karma karaka Saturn. Thus native

should adopt career related to Mercury, viz. communication, internet, teaching,

preaching, writing, research etc.

> >

> > Rightnow I'm posting this reply from my office desk and above is what I

could explain with my little understanding. Don't know how right or wrong this

analysis is.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > M. Imran

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > HI Imran,

> > >

> > > I was not sharing the information as a challenge but given the rather

strong and definitive sounding (and scholarly, if I may add) posting of yours, I

was hoping that you would utilize this as an opportunity for showcasing and

illustrating the principles and rules that you described in your posting.

> > >

> > > So, given the taurus lagna and aquarius moon, the person must be one or

more of the possibilities: writer, researcher, fond of classical knowledge and

metaphysics.

> > >

> > > But I am not understanding clearly why those two factors should lead to

the conclusion that you have arrived at. Again, my intention is not to ambush

you or anything like that but offer an opportunity to illustrate the theoretical

factors described earlier by you.

> > >

> > > Please elaborate a bit more in details so that the purpose of your

original posting appearning in several places is more fully served. It will be

of great interest to all readers, beginner and beyond.

> > >

> > > Although you are using 2 factors, is it the 10th house association of the

moon in this chart or 10th house placement of the lord of 3rd that is being

chosen by you as the decisive factor? Or is there mercury and jupiter etc

'between the lines' that are involved as well.

> > >

> > > I realize that you may not have the time or interest to elaborate, but

since you spent so much time in creating and sharing your original posting, you

may wish to illustrate that with this chart and this will then get fixed in your

readers' minds that much better.

> > >

> > > I hope you see it that way as well. I will wait for you to write more, if

you wish, and would rather not bias you with my comments about the chart or the

nativity, etc, at this time.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " astroimran " <astroimran@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rohiniranjan,

> > > >

> > > > Your reply seemed different to me (as always). But I was not expecting

such a surprising and challenging quiz. Anyway, let me try. Whether right or

wrong, I would be without ifs and buts.

> > > >

> > > > On the basis of given chart (Taurus lagna, Aquaius Moon), the native may

be a writer, researcher and fond of classical knowledge and metaphysics.

> > > >

> > > > With regards,

> > > > M. Imran

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Imraan,

> > > > >

> > > > > Good points and a great posting! Good to see you coming out of your

shell and challenging the 'status quo' ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Now let us move to the pudding ...

> > > > >

> > > > > In your opinion, what should this person have done career-wise in her

life if stars were listened to...?

> > > > >

> > > > > 28 January 1963

> > > > > 12:15 PM EST

> > > > > Boston, MA, USA

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Rohini Ji,

 

Your message to read life minutely is much appreciated, it's a need of the hour.

Everybody who likes jyotish should learn life first and relate astro readings to

his study of life.

 

I wonder why people use the term like " Vargottama Lagna " in analyzing a case,

What does Vargottama Lagna means ? answer w'd bring us close to study of life

through jyotish, unlesss this happens, such a quotation is only an eye wash.

 

Rohini Ji, how you interprrete a Vargttama lagna in real life display.

 

Well,Group's astrologers are not very wrong, they underscored " fame " , but what's

missed is, Moon in 10'th makes a person amicable in work place, one need not be

famous by quality of the work delivered, This good humoured friendly nature w'd

unquestionably be there, sometimes native may like to go for teaching kids as a

means of service or charity, this trait is given by Jup+Moon conjunction.

 

 

Why native faces difficulties in profession is because 10'th lord Saturn is in

conjunction with Ketu, When 10'th lord goes to 9'th, one makes luck by work, in

this case, Ketu's conjunction puts obstacle in quality delivery, further, Mars

is aspecting this Sat + Ketu combination.Debilitated mars in 3rd shows need of

more will power, here, Jyotish can help the native,this is the core problem.

 

3rd lord in 10'th gives temperamental or attitude issues in work, but, 3rd lord

is moon therefore attitude issue w'd not be there.

 

Despite everything native has a pleasant nature and a good looking chubby -

flabby physic, a bit obesity.

 

regards,

Utkal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> KS_jee,

>

> My answers as best I know appended below in curly brackets {}

>

> - The native should be quite famous in his area of work {Sadly, NO!}

> - He/She works in a highly competative environment {SHE! And -- Sadly, NO!}

> - Could be involved with music/singing/media {NO, as far as I know!}

> - Might have had a relationship with some one who is much younger to or very

> elderly to the native {YES! But not in the sense of it being a romantic one in

> the conventional sense, as far as the obviously very private information that

> has been shared with me!}.

>

>

> Please understand -- I am not critiquing anyone on this thread but we all seem

> to possess this tendency (I lead the procession!) that we begin to focus on a

> question and then go all over diagonally into other areas and we do that also

> with real-time queries and we say fifteen things about a horoscope and five of

> them hit the bull's eyes, even if the five have NOTHING to do with the

original

> question (the occupation of the individual, in this case, for instance!).

>

> And THAT actually proves my point to some extent, not necessarily the

motivation

> for this thread but in general!

>

> Third party postings such as this one would NEVER get you the full answer or

> ability to explore!

>

> You would say a few things, some verified as wrong, a few as, " I don't know! "

> and one or two UNCANNILY ACCURATE!

>

> WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE YOU IN YOUR JYOTISH JOURNEY?

>

> HENCE, I keep hammering upon all, till they get SICK OF ME, that please stop

> this third party SECOND-GUESSING! PLEASE begin interacting directly with

> nativities and then you are one step-closer to direct answers, often immediate

> and way more gratifying.

>

> Your CLEVERNESS and 'being in tune' shall lie in your picking the right ones

> that would respond! And who shall enhance your learning through immediate and

> detailed feedback!

>

> Some of us would never have learned to love astrology as much as we do, had we

> picked the wrong ones consistently -- the ones who do not provide feedback or

> have axes to grind!

>

> I do have a few pointers that landed during my observations that can be taken

as

> WARNING FLAGS etc. Perhaps someday, I shall share (This is not a 'COME HITHER'

> AGENDA!) -- just letting you all know that it is possible to some extent and

so

> please pay attention!

>

> Good Luck! To each his/her own experience!!

>

> RR_,

>

>

> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@>

wrote:

> >

> > Just to add my perspective on this:

> >

> > - The native should be quite famous in his area of work

> > - He/She works in a highly competative environment

> > - Could be involved with music/singing/media

> > - Might have had a relationship with some one who is much younger to or very

elderly to the native

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > astroimran <astroimran@>

> >

> > Tue, 24 November, 2009 8:28:47 PM

> > Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

> >

> >

> > Sorry Rohiniranjan,

> >

> > I presume, you must misunderstood my reply. Referring Taurus lagna and

Aquarius Moon did not mean that they are solely responsible for making a native

writer or researcher. I was just referring the native, since I don't know who

the person is. Let me explain, what I inferred in my last message.

> >

> > Native: Unknown

> > 28 January 1963

> > Time: 12:15 PM EST

> > Place: Boston, MA, USA

> >

> > Question: Find out profession.

> >

> > Varottam Taurus is rising while lord of lagna Venus is sitting in 7th house.

Three benefic planets are tenanting in kendra. Native should be fortunate,

pleasing, long lived, healthy and prominent in community/social circle. The

matter of fame is further supported by association of Jupiter+Moon with arudha

lagna (AL) and gati lagna (GL). Ascendant and Moon in fixed signs render the

native firm minded and prudent. It is not easy to convince her without sound

argument. Exaltation of both lagna lord and Moon in navamsa is indeed a rare

signature. She is bestowed with excellence of mental and physical capabilities,

besides having refined aesthetic sense. One born on Monday, having exalted Moon

in navamsa also possesses very fertile imagination and highly sensitive. Moon

with Jupiter is simultaneously forming a powerful gaja-kesari yoga. In 10th,

this combination shows prominence, social respect and honour. But Moon is the

lord of 3rd and Jupiter is of 8th and

> > 11th. Both are functional malefic for Taurus ascendant. Due to this flaw

gaja kesari does not ensure much monetary benefit and unparalleled fame.

However, it yields knowledge, wisdom and keen intellect to understand hidden

aspect and best suited to research oriented fields. Mercury is vidya karaka. In

rasi and navamsa, it is tenanting the sign of Guru and Guru is into Aquarius and

aspectig the 2nd and 4th houses (note the 2nd house shows ones learning

inclinations and 4th house indicates formal schooling). So subjects related to

Jupiter, i.e. sacred sciences, metaphysics, law and medicine may be of her

interest. Well, lord of 5th (Mercury) aspects 2nd besides Jupiter's aspect to

2nd is a yoga for understanding astrology. Afflicted Mars and natural malefic

planets in 3rd-9th without shubh drishti reveal, either she is the youngest

among coborn or her sis/bro parted now. Native may also not very happy with her

spouse.

> >

> > Again come to the query of profession which may be related to writing,

preaching, or research. First take karma karaka Saturn. It is strongly occupied

in 9th as 9th lord. Natives of Capricorn Saturn are dutiful, calculated and

persistent. Saturn in mithunamsa inclines one towards work related to Mercury.

In dasamsa (D10), 10th lord Saturn is in Pisces and aspected by Jupiter and

Mercury ®. Whereas karmapada (A10) is into Gemini. Again, this indicates work

related to Mercury and Jupiter.

> >

> > However in rasi, Saturn is influenced by four other planets, viz.; Sun,

Ketu, Mars ® and Rahu. By influence I mean here, standard graha drishti and

yuti. Connection of these planets over Saturn suggests initial struggle,

aimlessness and even opposition, up to first Saturn return (1991-92). However,

relative kona (5-9) and dwirdwadasa (2-12) from karaka should also analyze. Here

no planet is in trine to karma karaka Saturn but Jupiter+Moon is ahead and

Mercury ® is behind Saturn. This shubh-kartari yoga indicates luck and

financial autonomy knocked her door during second phase of life.

> >

> > Lets move to karmasthana (10th house). Jupiter and Moon are occupying here.

No other planets aspects 10th, but Mercury is slightly influencing 10th and

(their occupants) through labha argala. However, influence of Mercury is more

due to Jupiter; since later is a sole dispositor of former. We've already seen

that Mercury is also the navamsa-dispositor of karma karaka Saturn. Thus native

should adopt career related to Mercury, viz. communication, internet, teaching,

preaching, writing, research etc.

> >

> > Rightnow I'm posting this reply from my office desk and above is what I

could explain with my little understanding. Don't know how right or wrong this

analysis is.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > M. Imran

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > HI Imran,

> > >

> > > I was not sharing the information as a challenge but given the rather

strong and definitive sounding (and scholarly, if I may add) posting of yours, I

was hoping that you would utilize this as an opportunity for showcasing and

illustrating the principles and rules that you described in your posting.

> > >

> > > So, given the taurus lagna and aquarius moon, the person must be one or

more of the possibilities: writer, researcher, fond of classical knowledge and

metaphysics.

> > >

> > > But I am not understanding clearly why those two factors should lead to

the conclusion that you have arrived at. Again, my intention is not to ambush

you or anything like that but offer an opportunity to illustrate the theoretical

factors described earlier by you.

> > >

> > > Please elaborate a bit more in details so that the purpose of your

original posting appearning in several places is more fully served. It will be

of great interest to all readers, beginner and beyond.

> > >

> > > Although you are using 2 factors, is it the 10th house association of the

moon in this chart or 10th house placement of the lord of 3rd that is being

chosen by you as the decisive factor? Or is there mercury and jupiter etc

'between the lines' that are involved as well.

> > >

> > > I realize that you may not have the time or interest to elaborate, but

since you spent so much time in creating and sharing your original posting, you

may wish to illustrate that with this chart and this will then get fixed in your

readers' minds that much better.

> > >

> > > I hope you see it that way as well. I will wait for you to write more, if

you wish, and would rather not bias you with my comments about the chart or the

nativity, etc, at this time.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " astroimran " <astroimran@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rohiniranjan,

> > > >

> > > > Your reply seemed different to me (as always). But I was not expecting

such a surprising and challenging quiz. Anyway, let me try. Whether right or

wrong, I would be without ifs and buts.

> > > >

> > > > On the basis of given chart (Taurus lagna, Aquaius Moon), the native may

be a writer, researcher and fond of classical knowledge and metaphysics.

> > > >

> > > > With regards,

> > > > M. Imran

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Imraan,

> > > > >

> > > > > Good points and a great posting! Good to see you coming out of your

shell and challenging the 'status quo' ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Now let us move to the pudding ...

> > > > >

> > > > > In your opinion, what should this person have done career-wise in her

life if stars were listened to...?

> > > > >

> > > > > 28 January 1963

> > > > > 12:15 PM EST

> > > > > Boston, MA, USA

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I did share it a few days earlier, if I recall correctly, Krishna jee.

 

Speaking of professions, I suppose crime might be IT for some, particularly

those who get *good* at it like this birth-day twin:

 

Daniel Justin Gocheneur

28 January 1963

6.43 AM CST (UT-6h)

Lincoln, NE

USA

40N48

96W40

||||||||||||||||||||||||

American pro burglar who was sentenced to ten years in March 1984 and again in

June 1991 for attempted burglary sentenced to five years. He was released in

August 1993.

||||||||||||||||||||||||

 

 

Allez-y!

 

RR_,

 

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

wrote:

>

> Dear RR ji,

>

> Yes, I agree with your views in general. And, just to clarify, I have not

misunderstood you at all!

>

> In fact, if some one had queried " what area of profession is good for me based

on my chart? " , I would have not responded to that query knowing my limitations

in the area under question.

>

> You have not yet revealed the profession of the native. It only helps to know

the truth. Hope you will share the details.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

>

> Tue, 1 December, 2009 9:25:07 AM

> Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

>

>

> Dear Krishna jee,

>

> Few points if I may:

>

> Thanks for your sharing but in most of these responses, I am/was/will be

general and not specifically directing at you personally or what you posted.

Please never take it personally!

>

> I shall read your blog in details soon and once again, I was not critiquing

you but just making the point that third party postings are not the best way,

because Astrology is a language and a communication between jyotishi and jaatak!

The rest is all hearsay and incomplete communication! As I am sure an

experienced explorer like you already has experienced!

>

> And yes it is fun to participate in exercises like the current one, but

nothing like the direct experience between Jyotishi and Jatak.

>

> That was all I was saying and have always said!

>

> RR_,

>

> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear RR ji,

> >

> > I understand your view point. All of us are not good in all areas of

jyotish. All of us are still learning. If anyone says NO to this, I would like

to test him/her out. However, after putting a few years of learning each one has

their own specialty areas, possibly. And, profession is not one of them for me.

Unfortunately, the question was about profession and I wanted to try out my

learning so far. I failed. That is OK. It tells me that I need to put in much

more effort and focus on this area.

> >

> > And, my comment about the relationship was not based on any guess work. The

prediction did not come true by fluke. I have done reasonably extensive study in

this area. And, my work has been already published. The moment I saw the

horoscope this point glaringly appeared. Hence, I added that at the end even

though the question was about profession. If you are interested to know about my

work, you may want to look at:

> >

> > http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com/2007_ 12_01_archive. html

> >

> > And, I will assure you that there are no hard feelings. I attempted this

voluntarily though the question was directed to Imran. I did that with my own

interest to test my learning rather than with any other motive.

> >

> > Thanks for your time and effort on this.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> >

> > Tue, 1 December, 2009 8:11:30 AM

> > Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

> >

> >

> > KS_jee,

> >

> > My answers as best I know appended below in curly brackets {}

> >

> > - The native should be quite famous in his area of work {Sadly, NO!}

> > - He/She works in a highly competative environment {SHE! And -- Sadly, NO!}

> > - Could be involved with music/singing/ media {NO, as far as I know!}

> > - Might have had a relationship with some one who is much younger to or very

elderly to the native {YES! But not in the sense of it being a romantic one in

the conventional sense, as far as the obviously very private information that

has been shared with me!}.

> >

> > Please understand -- I am not critiquing anyone on this thread but we all

seem to possess this tendency (I lead the procession!) that we begin to focus on

a question and then go all over diagonally into other areas and we do that also

with real-time queries and we say fifteen things about a horoscope and five of

them hit the bull's eyes, even if the five have NOTHING to do with the original

question (the occupation of the individual, in this case, for instance!).

> >

> > And THAT actually proves my point to some extent, not necessarily the

motivation for this thread but in general!

> >

> > Third party postings such as this one would NEVER get you the full answer or

ability to explore!

> >

> > You would say a few things, some verified as wrong, a few as, " I don't

know! " and one or two UNCANNILY ACCURATE!

> >

> > WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE YOU IN YOUR JYOTISH JOURNEY?

> >

> > HENCE, I keep hammering upon all, till they get SICK OF ME, that please stop

this third party SECOND-GUESSING! PLEASE begin interacting directly with

nativities and then you are one step-closer to direct answers, often immediate

and way more gratifying.

> >

> > Your CLEVERNESS and 'being in tune' shall lie in your picking the right ones

that would respond! And who shall enhance your learning through immediate and

detailed feedback!

> >

> > Some of us would never have learned to love astrology as much as we do, had

we picked the wrong ones consistently -- the ones who do not provide feedback or

have axes to grind!

> >

> > I do have a few pointers that landed during my observations that can be

taken as WARNING FLAGS etc. Perhaps someday, I shall share (This is not a 'COME

HITHER' AGENDA!) -- just letting you all know that it is possible to some extent

and so please pay attention!

> >

> > Good Luck! To each his/her own experience!!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Just to add my perspective on this:

> > >

> > > - The native should be quite famous in his area of work

> > > - He/She works in a highly competative environment

> > > - Could be involved with music/singing/ media

> > > - Might have had a relationship with some one who is much younger to or

very elderly to the native

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > astroimran <astroimran@ ...>

> > >

> > > Tue, 24 November, 2009 8:28:47 PM

> > > Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

> > >

> > >

> > > Sorry Rohiniranjan,

> > >

> > > I presume, you must misunderstood my reply. Referring Taurus lagna and

Aquarius Moon did not mean that they are solely responsible for making a native

writer or researcher. I was just referring the native, since I don't know who

the person is. Let me explain, what I inferred in my last message.

> > >

> > > Native: Unknown

> > > 28 January 1963

> > > Time: 12:15 PM EST

> > > Place: Boston, MA, USA

> > >

> > > Question: Find out profession.

> > >

> > > Varottam Taurus is rising while lord of lagna Venus is sitting in 7th

house. Three benefic planets are tenanting in kendra. Native should be

fortunate, pleasing, long lived, healthy and prominent in community/social

circle. The matter of fame is further supported by association of Jupiter+Moon

with arudha lagna (AL) and gati lagna (GL). Ascendant and Moon in fixed signs

render the native firm minded and prudent. It is not easy to convince her

without sound argument. Exaltation of both lagna lord and Moon in navamsa is

indeed a rare signature. She is bestowed with excellence of mental and physical

capabilities, besides having refined aesthetic sense. One born on Monday, having

exalted Moon in navamsa also possesses very fertile imagination and highly

sensitive. Moon with Jupiter is simultaneously forming a powerful gaja-kesari

yoga. In 10th, this combination shows prominence, social respect and honour. But

Moon is the lord of 3rd and Jupiter is of 8th

> > and

> > > 11th. Both are functional malefic for Taurus ascendant. Due to this flaw

gaja kesari does not ensure much monetary benefit and unparalleled fame.

However, it yields knowledge, wisdom and keen intellect to understand hidden

aspect and best suited to research oriented fields. Mercury is vidya karaka. In

rasi and navamsa, it is tenanting the sign of Guru and Guru is into Aquarius and

aspectig the 2nd and 4th houses (note the 2nd house shows ones learning

inclinations and 4th house indicates formal schooling). So subjects related to

Jupiter, i.e. sacred sciences, metaphysics, law and medicine may be of her

interest. Well, lord of 5th (Mercury) aspects 2nd besides Jupiter's aspect to

2nd is a yoga for understanding astrology. Afflicted Mars and natural malefic

planets in 3rd-9th without shubh drishti reveal, either she is the youngest

among coborn or her sis/bro parted now. Native may also not very happy with her

spouse.

> > >

> > > Again come to the query of profession which may be related to writing,

preaching, or research. First take karma karaka Saturn. It is strongly occupied

in 9th as 9th lord. Natives of Capricorn Saturn are dutiful, calculated and

persistent. Saturn in mithunamsa inclines one towards work related to Mercury.

In dasamsa (D10), 10th lord Saturn is in Pisces and aspected by Jupiter and

Mercury ®. Whereas karmapada (A10) is into Gemini. Again, this indicates work

related to Mercury and Jupiter.

> > >

> > > However in rasi, Saturn is influenced by four other planets, viz.; Sun,

Ketu, Mars ® and Rahu. By influence I mean here, standard graha drishti and

yuti. Connection of these planets over Saturn suggests initial struggle,

aimlessness and even opposition, up to first Saturn return (1991-92). However,

relative kona (5-9) and dwirdwadasa (2-12) from karaka should also analyze. Here

no planet is in trine to karma karaka Saturn but Jupiter+Moon is ahead and

Mercury ® is behind Saturn. This shubh-kartari yoga indicates luck and

financial autonomy knocked her door during second phase of life.

> > >

> > > Lets move to karmasthana (10th house). Jupiter and Moon are occupying

here. No other planets aspects 10th, but Mercury is slightly influencing 10th

and (their occupants) through labha argala. However, influence of Mercury is

more due to Jupiter; since later is a sole dispositor of former. We've already

seen that Mercury is also the navamsa-dispositor of karma karaka Saturn. Thus

native should adopt career related to Mercury, viz. communication, internet,

teaching, preaching, writing, research etc.

> > >

> > > Rightnow I'm posting this reply from my office desk and above is what I

could explain with my little understanding. Don't know how right or wrong this

analysis is.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > > M. Imran

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > HI Imran,

> > > >

> > > > I was not sharing the information as a challenge but given the rather

strong and definitive sounding (and scholarly, if I may add) posting of yours, I

was hoping that you would utilize this as an opportunity for showcasing and

illustrating the principles and rules that you described in your posting.

> > > >

> > > > So, given the taurus lagna and aquarius moon, the person must be one or

more of the possibilities: writer, researcher, fond of classical knowledge and

metaphysics.

> > > >

> > > > But I am not understanding clearly why those two factors should lead to

the conclusion that you have arrived at. Again, my intention is not to ambush

you or anything like that but offer an opportunity to illustrate the theoretical

factors described earlier by you.

> > > >

> > > > Please elaborate a bit more in details so that the purpose of your

original posting appearning in several places is more fully served. It will be

of great interest to all readers, beginner and beyond.

> > > >

> > > > Although you are using 2 factors, is it the 10th house association of

the moon in this chart or 10th house placement of the lord of 3rd that is being

chosen by you as the decisive factor? Or is there mercury and jupiter etc

'between the lines' that are involved as well.

> > > >

> > > > I realize that you may not have the time or interest to elaborate, but

since you spent so much time in creating and sharing your original posting, you

may wish to illustrate that with this chart and this will then get fixed in your

readers' minds that much better.

> > > >

> > > > I hope you see it that way as well. I will wait for you to write more,

if you wish, and would rather not bias you with my comments about the chart or

the nativity, etc, at this time.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , " astroimran " <astroimran@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rohiniranjan,

> > > > >

> > > > > Your reply seemed different to me (as always). But I was not expecting

such a surprising and challenging quiz. Anyway, let me try. Whether right or

wrong, I would be without ifs and buts.

> > > > >

> > > > > On the basis of given chart (Taurus lagna, Aquaius Moon), the native

may be a writer, researcher and fond of classical knowledge and metaphysics.

> > > > >

> > > > > With regards,

> > > > > M. Imran

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Imraan,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Good points and a great posting! Good to see you coming out of your

shell and challenging the 'status quo' ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now let us move to the pudding ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In your opinion, what should this person have done career-wise in

her life if stars were listened to...?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 28 January 1963

> > > > > > 12:15 PM EST

> > > > > > Boston, MA, USA

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Utkal_ji,

 

Many things and questions in your posting.

 

Vargottam, in my view and according to my understanding, if I may.

 

Vargottam is described as being a swagrahi planet. When a planet is in the same

sign in rashi varga or kshetra varga and navamsha varga, then it is deemed to be

vargottama and equivalent to being in its own sign or KSHETRA!

 

I naturally took that to mean as a planet that is at ease, at home!

 

At 'home' is where we humans are most at ease -- no matter whether the home is

large or small, or whatever. AS long as it feels like HOME!

 

A vargottama planet is about an opportunity in the lifetime of a soul that is

experiencing itself through being human (physical+mental+spiritual).

 

It is not about a neecha vargottama suddenly losing its karmic purpose and

becoming powerful or an uchchaa vargottama becoming super powerful!

 

Vargottama in my view is simply about being itself, being transparent, about

being and expressing whatever the nascent attributes and characteristics of the

vargottama planet is all about!

 

I will leave it there for you to explore ...!

 

RR_,

 

, " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi

wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini Ji,

>

> Your message to read life minutely is much appreciated, it's a need of the

hour. Everybody who likes jyotish should learn life first and relate astro

readings to his study of life.

>

> I wonder why people use the term like " Vargottama Lagna " in analyzing a case,

What does Vargottama Lagna means ? answer w'd bring us close to study of life

through jyotish, unlesss this happens, such a quotation is only an eye wash.

>

> Rohini Ji, how you interprrete a Vargttama lagna in real life display.

>

> Well,Group's astrologers are not very wrong, they underscored " fame " , but

what's missed is, Moon in 10'th makes a person amicable in work place, one need

not be famous by quality of the work delivered, This good humoured friendly

nature w'd unquestionably be there, sometimes native may like to go for teaching

kids as a means of service or charity, this trait is given by Jup+Moon

conjunction.

>

>

> Why native faces difficulties in profession is because 10'th lord Saturn is in

conjunction with Ketu, When 10'th lord goes to 9'th, one makes luck by work, in

this case, Ketu's conjunction puts obstacle in quality delivery, further, Mars

is aspecting this Sat + Ketu combination.Debilitated mars in 3rd shows need of

more will power, here, Jyotish can help the native,this is the core problem.

>

> 3rd lord in 10'th gives temperamental or attitude issues in work, but, 3rd

lord is moon therefore attitude issue w'd not be there.

>

> Despite everything native has a pleasant nature and a good looking chubby -

flabby physic, a bit obesity.

>

> regards,

> Utkal.

>

>

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > KS_jee,

> >

> > My answers as best I know appended below in curly brackets {}

> >

> > - The native should be quite famous in his area of work {Sadly, NO!}

> > - He/She works in a highly competative environment {SHE! And -- Sadly, NO!}

> > - Could be involved with music/singing/media {NO, as far as I know!}

> > - Might have had a relationship with some one who is much younger to or very

> > elderly to the native {YES! But not in the sense of it being a romantic one

in

> > the conventional sense, as far as the obviously very private information

that

> > has been shared with me!}.

> >

> >

> > Please understand -- I am not critiquing anyone on this thread but we all

seem

> > to possess this tendency (I lead the procession!) that we begin to focus on

a

> > question and then go all over diagonally into other areas and we do that

also

> > with real-time queries and we say fifteen things about a horoscope and five

of

> > them hit the bull's eyes, even if the five have NOTHING to do with the

original

> > question (the occupation of the individual, in this case, for instance!).

> >

> > And THAT actually proves my point to some extent, not necessarily the

motivation

> > for this thread but in general!

> >

> > Third party postings such as this one would NEVER get you the full answer or

> > ability to explore!

> >

> > You would say a few things, some verified as wrong, a few as, " I don't

know! "

> > and one or two UNCANNILY ACCURATE!

> >

> > WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE YOU IN YOUR JYOTISH JOURNEY?

> >

> > HENCE, I keep hammering upon all, till they get SICK OF ME, that please stop

> > this third party SECOND-GUESSING! PLEASE begin interacting directly with

> > nativities and then you are one step-closer to direct answers, often

immediate

> > and way more gratifying.

> >

> > Your CLEVERNESS and 'being in tune' shall lie in your picking the right ones

> > that would respond! And who shall enhance your learning through immediate

and

> > detailed feedback!

> >

> > Some of us would never have learned to love astrology as much as we do, had

we

> > picked the wrong ones consistently -- the ones who do not provide feedback

or

> > have axes to grind!

> >

> > I do have a few pointers that landed during my observations that can be

taken as

> > WARNING FLAGS etc. Perhaps someday, I shall share (This is not a 'COME

HITHER'

> > AGENDA!) -- just letting you all know that it is possible to some extent and

so

> > please pay attention!

> >

> > Good Luck! To each his/her own experience!!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Just to add my perspective on this:

> > >

> > > - The native should be quite famous in his area of work

> > > - He/She works in a highly competative environment

> > > - Could be involved with music/singing/media

> > > - Might have had a relationship with some one who is much younger to or

very elderly to the native

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > astroimran <astroimran@>

> > >

> > > Tue, 24 November, 2009 8:28:47 PM

> > > Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

> > >

> > >

> > > Sorry Rohiniranjan,

> > >

> > > I presume, you must misunderstood my reply. Referring Taurus lagna and

Aquarius Moon did not mean that they are solely responsible for making a native

writer or researcher. I was just referring the native, since I don't know who

the person is. Let me explain, what I inferred in my last message.

> > >

> > > Native: Unknown

> > > 28 January 1963

> > > Time: 12:15 PM EST

> > > Place: Boston, MA, USA

> > >

> > > Question: Find out profession.

> > >

> > > Varottam Taurus is rising while lord of lagna Venus is sitting in 7th

house. Three benefic planets are tenanting in kendra. Native should be

fortunate, pleasing, long lived, healthy and prominent in community/social

circle. The matter of fame is further supported by association of Jupiter+Moon

with arudha lagna (AL) and gati lagna (GL). Ascendant and Moon in fixed signs

render the native firm minded and prudent. It is not easy to convince her

without sound argument. Exaltation of both lagna lord and Moon in navamsa is

indeed a rare signature. She is bestowed with excellence of mental and physical

capabilities, besides having refined aesthetic sense. One born on Monday, having

exalted Moon in navamsa also possesses very fertile imagination and highly

sensitive. Moon with Jupiter is simultaneously forming a powerful gaja-kesari

yoga. In 10th, this combination shows prominence, social respect and honour. But

Moon is the lord of 3rd and Jupiter is of 8th and

> > > 11th. Both are functional malefic for Taurus ascendant. Due to this flaw

gaja kesari does not ensure much monetary benefit and unparalleled fame.

However, it yields knowledge, wisdom and keen intellect to understand hidden

aspect and best suited to research oriented fields. Mercury is vidya karaka. In

rasi and navamsa, it is tenanting the sign of Guru and Guru is into Aquarius and

aspectig the 2nd and 4th houses (note the 2nd house shows ones learning

inclinations and 4th house indicates formal schooling). So subjects related to

Jupiter, i.e. sacred sciences, metaphysics, law and medicine may be of her

interest. Well, lord of 5th (Mercury) aspects 2nd besides Jupiter's aspect to

2nd is a yoga for understanding astrology. Afflicted Mars and natural malefic

planets in 3rd-9th without shubh drishti reveal, either she is the youngest

among coborn or her sis/bro parted now. Native may also not very happy with her

spouse.

> > >

> > > Again come to the query of profession which may be related to writing,

preaching, or research. First take karma karaka Saturn. It is strongly occupied

in 9th as 9th lord. Natives of Capricorn Saturn are dutiful, calculated and

persistent. Saturn in mithunamsa inclines one towards work related to Mercury.

In dasamsa (D10), 10th lord Saturn is in Pisces and aspected by Jupiter and

Mercury ®. Whereas karmapada (A10) is into Gemini. Again, this indicates work

related to Mercury and Jupiter.

> > >

> > > However in rasi, Saturn is influenced by four other planets, viz.; Sun,

Ketu, Mars ® and Rahu. By influence I mean here, standard graha drishti and

yuti. Connection of these planets over Saturn suggests initial struggle,

aimlessness and even opposition, up to first Saturn return (1991-92). However,

relative kona (5-9) and dwirdwadasa (2-12) from karaka should also analyze. Here

no planet is in trine to karma karaka Saturn but Jupiter+Moon is ahead and

Mercury ® is behind Saturn. This shubh-kartari yoga indicates luck and

financial autonomy knocked her door during second phase of life.

> > >

> > > Lets move to karmasthana (10th house). Jupiter and Moon are occupying

here. No other planets aspects 10th, but Mercury is slightly influencing 10th

and (their occupants) through labha argala. However, influence of Mercury is

more due to Jupiter; since later is a sole dispositor of former. We've already

seen that Mercury is also the navamsa-dispositor of karma karaka Saturn. Thus

native should adopt career related to Mercury, viz. communication, internet,

teaching, preaching, writing, research etc.

> > >

> > > Rightnow I'm posting this reply from my office desk and above is what I

could explain with my little understanding. Don't know how right or wrong this

analysis is.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > > M. Imran

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > HI Imran,

> > > >

> > > > I was not sharing the information as a challenge but given the rather

strong and definitive sounding (and scholarly, if I may add) posting of yours, I

was hoping that you would utilize this as an opportunity for showcasing and

illustrating the principles and rules that you described in your posting.

> > > >

> > > > So, given the taurus lagna and aquarius moon, the person must be one or

more of the possibilities: writer, researcher, fond of classical knowledge and

metaphysics.

> > > >

> > > > But I am not understanding clearly why those two factors should lead to

the conclusion that you have arrived at. Again, my intention is not to ambush

you or anything like that but offer an opportunity to illustrate the theoretical

factors described earlier by you.

> > > >

> > > > Please elaborate a bit more in details so that the purpose of your

original posting appearning in several places is more fully served. It will be

of great interest to all readers, beginner and beyond.

> > > >

> > > > Although you are using 2 factors, is it the 10th house association of

the moon in this chart or 10th house placement of the lord of 3rd that is being

chosen by you as the decisive factor? Or is there mercury and jupiter etc

'between the lines' that are involved as well.

> > > >

> > > > I realize that you may not have the time or interest to elaborate, but

since you spent so much time in creating and sharing your original posting, you

may wish to illustrate that with this chart and this will then get fixed in your

readers' minds that much better.

> > > >

> > > > I hope you see it that way as well. I will wait for you to write more,

if you wish, and would rather not bias you with my comments about the chart or

the nativity, etc, at this time.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , " astroimran " <astroimran@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rohiniranjan,

> > > > >

> > > > > Your reply seemed different to me (as always). But I was not expecting

such a surprising and challenging quiz. Anyway, let me try. Whether right or

wrong, I would be without ifs and buts.

> > > > >

> > > > > On the basis of given chart (Taurus lagna, Aquaius Moon), the native

may be a writer, researcher and fond of classical knowledge and metaphysics.

> > > > >

> > > > > With regards,

> > > > > M. Imran

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Imraan,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Good points and a great posting! Good to see you coming out of your

shell and challenging the 'status quo' ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now let us move to the pudding ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In your opinion, what should this person have done career-wise in

her life if stars were listened to...?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 28 January 1963

> > > > > > 12:15 PM EST

> > > > > > Boston, MA, USA

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I am sorry that the message sounds ominous - I didn't mean it to at all.

 

Saturn is in own sign in this chart and is its own dispositor, quite like being

its own BOSS and the CEO of this chart. The reporting structure or the control

structure is such in this (Organization) chart that Sun and Ketu work in the

same building/office as Saturn and also report to it and hence are very directly

under its influence. Moon and Jupiter work in the building next door but report

dirently to Saturn since Saturn is the owner of Aquarius. Mars and Rahu report

to Moon but since Moon reports to Saturn, they too come under the influence of

Saturn's intentions here.

 

Actually all the grahas come in the reporting tree under Saturn, some directly

and others through their immediate boss. That is what I meant when I said Saturn

is the final dispositor in this chart. But this is just one factor and there are

many other influences on Saturn which need to be taken into account. For example

Saturn is pretty strong in this chart but Sun and Moon are stronger. And so is

the Lagna Lord Venus. Saturn and Venus aspect each other through rashi-drishti.

Venus is a Baala and Saturn is a Kumar. But Sun is a Yuva and hence more active

that Saturn.

 

Since Saturn is the ruler of the 9th house placed in own sign, it could mean

that the father was a very controlling influence while the individual was

growing up and shaped and modified the individual to a large extent. But the

individual did put up a resistance is what I would infer.

 

Sun-Saturn conjunctions bring about a not-so-peaceful relationship with the

father and this combination taking place in the 9th house would be all the more

important while considering relationship with father. And yet this very

combination is a Rajyoga that involves the houses attibuted to the two parents.

The presence of Ketu would mar that yoga but for those who consider Ketu as the

ruler of Scorpio in this chart, Ketu is the 7th lord placed in 9th with 9th!

 

Sun when conjuncting the nodes is effected in its expressions in a worldly way.

But it also brings a mystical aspect to the Rajyoga and in the life of the

individual. This combination taking place in the 9th from Lagna and 12th from AL

could indicate the association of the individual with some spiritual

organization that is traditionally different to the environment in which the

individual is born and lives.

 

Not to forget that the 9th house is the badhaksthaan in this chart. Badhakesh is

present in the badhaksthaan which could manifest as the individual feeling

hindered in her progress for sometime in life but the badha is not permanent.

More so since Saturn is the Yogakarak.

 

Not only do the 4th and 9th lords conjunct in the 9th but the chara PiK Rahu and

chara MK Mars conjunct right opposite the 9th in the 3rd. This creates a

Mars-Saturn opposition which is often manifested as an area of stress. In this

case it could be more stressful since Mars is debilitated and retrograde and

could effect the physical significations of the 3rd house in some way. But Mars

is also the weakest graha in this chart and its debility is cancelled by the

presence of Moon and Jupiter placed at a kendra from Lagna.

 

Jupiter is Vriddha and Moon is Mrita and that should also be considered while

judging how important or not a career is in the life of the individual.

 

So there is a lot going on in the 3/9 axis and it is not easy, at least for me,

to put all of that together comprehensively.

 

Regards,

Nandini

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Hi Nandini,

>

> Why do you say, " Stress in the 3-9 axis? "

> What did you mean by 'Final Dispositor?'

> What does that do? With saturn involved and the term " FINAL " your message

sounds very ominous! Did you really mean that?

>

> Particularly if I tell you that the person may be reading your responses here?

>

> Please Explain...!

>

> RR_,

>

> , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> >

> > Wondering if interaction with children is involved here as also disease in

some form.

> >

> > There is a lot of stress in the 3/9 axis. The individual would need a good

amount of inner strength to overcome all that and have a meaningful career.

Specially since she went through the dasha of Saturn during her growing-up years

and indicators of parents are strongly involved in this axis. Saturn is the

final dispositor in this chart.

> >

> > The dasha of Vargottam AK Mercury, placed in 8th in rashi and navamsha would

also not have been very easy to go through. But it would have been a more

meaningful time for her since Mercury does well in Dashamsha and it is the

AtmaKarak.

> >

> > She could be interested in astrology.

> >

> > But this is just a learner's attempt.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Nandini

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Just an after thought. When I say that the native might be working under a

very competitive environment, it is also possible that the native is in the

field of sport in addition to others I have already mentioned.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@>

> > >

> > > Tue, 24 November, 2009 10:27:48 PM

> > > Re: Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

> > >

> > >

> > > Just to add my perspective on this:

> > >

> > > - The native should be quite famous in his area of work

> > > - He/She works in a highly competative environment

> > > - Could be involved with music/singing/media

> > > - Might have had a relationship with some one who is much younger to or

very elderly to the native

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > astroimran <astroimran@>

> > >

> > > Tue, 24 November, 2009 8:28:47 PM

> > > Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

> > >

> > >

> > > Sorry Rohiniranjan,

> > >

> > > I presume, you must misunderstood my reply. Referring Taurus lagna and

Aquarius Moon did not mean that they are solely responsible for making a native

writer or researcher. I was just referring the native, since I don't know who

the person is. Let me explain, what I inferred in my last message.

> > >

> > > Native: Unknown

> > > 28 January 1963

> > > Time: 12:15 PM EST

> > > Place: Boston, MA, USA

> > >

> > > Question: Find out profession.

> > >

> > > Varottam Taurus is rising while lord of lagna Venus is sitting in 7th

house. Three benefic planets are tenanting in kendra. Native should be

fortunate, pleasing, long lived, healthy and prominent in community/social

circle. The matter of fame is further supported by association of Jupiter+Moon

with arudha lagna (AL) and gati lagna (GL). Ascendant and Moon in fixed signs

render the native firm minded and prudent. It is not easy to convince her

without sound argument. Exaltation of both lagna lord and Moon in navamsa is

indeed a rare signature. She is bestowed with excellence of mental and physical

capabilities, besides having refined aesthetic sense. One born on Monday, having

exalted Moon in navamsa also possesses very fertile imagination and highly

sensitive. Moon with Jupiter is simultaneously forming a powerful gaja-kesari

yoga. In 10th, this combination shows prominence, social respect and honour. But

Moon is the lord of 3rd and Jupiter is of 8th and

> > > 11th. Both are functional malefic for Taurus ascendant. Due to this flaw

gaja kesari does not ensure much monetary benefit and unparalleled fame.

However, it yields knowledge, wisdom and keen intellect to understand hidden

aspect and best suited to research oriented fields. Mercury is vidya karaka. In

rasi and navamsa, it is tenanting the sign of Guru and Guru is into Aquarius and

aspectig the 2nd and 4th houses (note the 2nd house shows ones learning

inclinations and 4th house indicates formal schooling). So subjects related to

Jupiter, i.e. sacred sciences, metaphysics, law and medicine may be of her

interest. Well, lord of 5th (Mercury) aspects 2nd besides Jupiter's aspect to

2nd is a yoga for understanding astrology. Afflicted Mars and natural malefic

planets in 3rd-9th without shubh drishti reveal, either she is the youngest

among coborn or her sis/bro parted now. Native may also not very happy with her

spouse.

> > >

> > > Again come to the query of profession which may be related to writing,

preaching, or research. First take karma karaka Saturn. It is strongly occupied

in 9th as 9th lord. Natives of Capricorn Saturn are dutiful, calculated and

persistent. Saturn in mithunamsa inclines one towards work related to Mercury.

In dasamsa (D10), 10th lord Saturn is in Pisces and aspected by Jupiter and

Mercury ®. Whereas karmapada (A10) is into Gemini. Again, this indicates work

related to Mercury and Jupiter.

> > >

> > > However in rasi, Saturn is influenced by four other planets, viz.; Sun,

Ketu, Mars ® and Rahu. By influence I mean here, standard graha drishti and

yuti. Connection of these planets over Saturn suggests initial struggle,

aimlessness and even opposition, up to first Saturn return (1991-92). However,

relative kona (5-9) and dwirdwadasa (2-12) from karaka should also analyze. Here

no planet is in trine to karma karaka Saturn but Jupiter+Moon is ahead and

Mercury ® is behind Saturn. This shubh-kartari yoga indicates luck and

financial autonomy knocked her door during second phase of life.

> > >

> > > Lets move to karmasthana (10th house). Jupiter and Moon are occupying

here. No other planets aspects 10th, but Mercury is slightly influencing 10th

and (their occupants) through labha argala. However, influence of Mercury is

more due to Jupiter; since later is a sole dispositor of former. We've already

seen that Mercury is also the navamsa-dispositor of karma karaka Saturn. Thus

native should adopt career related to Mercury, viz. communication, internet,

teaching, preaching, writing, research etc.

> > >

> > > Rightnow I'm posting this reply from my office desk and above is what I

could explain with my little understanding. Don't know how right or wrong this

analysis is.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > > M. Imran

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > HI Imran,

> > > >

> > > > I was not sharing the information as a challenge but given the rather

strong and definitive sounding (and scholarly, if I may add) posting of yours, I

was hoping that you would utilize this as an opportunity for showcasing and

illustrating the principles and rules that you described in your posting.

> > > >

> > > > So, given the taurus lagna and aquarius moon, the person must be one or

more of the possibilities: writer, researcher, fond of classical knowledge and

metaphysics.

> > > >

> > > > But I am not understanding clearly why those two factors should lead to

the conclusion that you have arrived at. Again, my intention is not to ambush

you or anything like that but offer an opportunity to illustrate the theoretical

factors described earlier by you.

> > > >

> > > > Please elaborate a bit more in details so that the purpose of your

original posting appearning in several places is more fully served. It will be

of great interest to all readers, beginner and beyond.

> > > >

> > > > Although you are using 2 factors, is it the 10th house association of

the moon in this chart or 10th house placement of the lord of 3rd that is being

chosen by you as the decisive factor? Or is there mercury and jupiter etc

'between the lines' that are involved as well.

> > > >

> > > > I realize that you may not have the time or interest to elaborate, but

since you spent so much time in creating and sharing your original posting, you

may wish to illustrate that with this chart and this will then get fixed in your

readers' minds that much better.

> > > >

> > > > I hope you see it that way as well. I will wait for you to write more,

if you wish, and would rather not bias you with my comments about the chart or

the nativity, etc, at this time.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , " astroimran " <astroimran@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rohiniranjan,

> > > > >

> > > > > Your reply seemed different to me (as always). But I was not expecting

such a surprising and challenging quiz. Anyway, let me try. Whether right or

wrong, I would be without ifs and buts.

> > > > >

> > > > > On the basis of given chart (Taurus lagna, Aquaius Moon), the native

may be a writer, researcher and fond of classical knowledge and metaphysics.

> > > > >

> > > > > With regards,

> > > > > M. Imran

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Imraan,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Good points and a great posting! Good to see you coming out of your

shell and challenging the 'status quo' ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now let us move to the pudding ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In your opinion, what should this person have done career-wise in

her life if stars were listened to...?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 28 January 1963

> > > > > > 12:15 PM EST

> > > > > > Boston, MA, USA

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

WOW!

 

Allow me take an 'ant-bite' if I may, Nandini?

 

Is badhaksthana really that big a deal, as sometimes made out to be? What has

been your experience in the charts that you have read for and tried to correlate

the possibilities with the findings?

 

What, if any or when, is the importance of this so named " Badhaksthana " in a

chart? I have even seen people blame the owner of the 'dog-pound' as being the

Yamaraja! When all he was trying to do was to save the abused domesticated pet

animals and keep them away from the abusers: Always the human beings!

 

RR_,

 

 

 

 

, " nandini " <kakan_leo wrote:

>

> I am sorry that the message sounds ominous - I didn't mean it to at all.

>

> Saturn is in own sign in this chart and is its own dispositor, quite like

being its own BOSS and the CEO of this chart. The reporting structure or the

control structure is such in this (Organization) chart that Sun and Ketu work in

the same building/office as Saturn and also report to it and hence are very

directly under its influence. Moon and Jupiter work in the building next door

but report dirently to Saturn since Saturn is the owner of Aquarius. Mars and

Rahu report to Moon but since Moon reports to Saturn, they too come under the

influence of Saturn's intentions here.

>

> Actually all the grahas come in the reporting tree under Saturn, some directly

and others through their immediate boss. That is what I meant when I said Saturn

is the final dispositor in this chart. But this is just one factor and there are

many other influences on Saturn which need to be taken into account. For example

Saturn is pretty strong in this chart but Sun and Moon are stronger. And so is

the Lagna Lord Venus. Saturn and Venus aspect each other through rashi-drishti.

Venus is a Baala and Saturn is a Kumar. But Sun is a Yuva and hence more active

that Saturn.

>

> Since Saturn is the ruler of the 9th house placed in own sign, it could mean

that the father was a very controlling influence while the individual was

growing up and shaped and modified the individual to a large extent. But the

individual did put up a resistance is what I would infer.

>

> Sun-Saturn conjunctions bring about a not-so-peaceful relationship with the

father and this combination taking place in the 9th house would be all the more

important while considering relationship with father. And yet this very

combination is a Rajyoga that involves the houses attibuted to the two parents.

The presence of Ketu would mar that yoga but for those who consider Ketu as the

ruler of Scorpio in this chart, Ketu is the 7th lord placed in 9th with 9th!

>

> Sun when conjuncting the nodes is effected in its expressions in a worldly

way. But it also brings a mystical aspect to the Rajyoga and in the life of the

individual. This combination taking place in the 9th from Lagna and 12th from AL

could indicate the association of the individual with some spiritual

organization that is traditionally different to the environment in which the

individual is born and lives.

>

> Not to forget that the 9th house is the badhaksthaan in this chart. Badhakesh

is present in the badhaksthaan which could manifest as the individual feeling

hindered in her progress for sometime in life but the badha is not permanent.

More so since Saturn is the Yogakarak.

>

> Not only do the 4th and 9th lords conjunct in the 9th but the chara PiK Rahu

and chara MK Mars conjunct right opposite the 9th in the 3rd. This creates a

Mars-Saturn opposition which is often manifested as an area of stress. In this

case it could be more stressful since Mars is debilitated and retrograde and

could effect the physical significations of the 3rd house in some way. But Mars

is also the weakest graha in this chart and its debility is cancelled by the

presence of Moon and Jupiter placed at a kendra from Lagna.

>

> Jupiter is Vriddha and Moon is Mrita and that should also be considered while

judging how important or not a career is in the life of the individual.

>

> So there is a lot going on in the 3/9 axis and it is not easy, at least for

me, to put all of that together comprehensively.

>

> Regards,

> Nandini

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Nandini,

> >

> > Why do you say, " Stress in the 3-9 axis? "

> > What did you mean by 'Final Dispositor?'

> > What does that do? With saturn involved and the term " FINAL " your message

sounds very ominous! Did you really mean that?

> >

> > Particularly if I tell you that the person may be reading your responses

here?

> >

> > Please Explain...!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Wondering if interaction with children is involved here as also disease in

some form.

> > >

> > > There is a lot of stress in the 3/9 axis. The individual would need a good

amount of inner strength to overcome all that and have a meaningful career.

Specially since she went through the dasha of Saturn during her growing-up years

and indicators of parents are strongly involved in this axis. Saturn is the

final dispositor in this chart.

> > >

> > > The dasha of Vargottam AK Mercury, placed in 8th in rashi and navamsha

would also not have been very easy to go through. But it would have been a more

meaningful time for her since Mercury does well in Dashamsha and it is the

AtmaKarak.

> > >

> > > She could be interested in astrology.

> > >

> > > But this is just a learner's attempt.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Nandini

> > >

> > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Just an after thought. When I say that the native might be working under

a very competitive environment, it is also possible that the native is in the

field of sport in addition to others I have already mentioned.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@>

> > > >

> > > > Tue, 24 November, 2009 10:27:48 PM

> > > > Re: Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Just to add my perspective on this:

> > > >

> > > > - The native should be quite famous in his area of work

> > > > - He/She works in a highly competative environment

> > > > - Could be involved with music/singing/media

> > > > - Might have had a relationship with some one who is much younger to or

very elderly to the native

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > astroimran <astroimran@>

> > > >

> > > > Tue, 24 November, 2009 8:28:47 PM

> > > > Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sorry Rohiniranjan,

> > > >

> > > > I presume, you must misunderstood my reply. Referring Taurus lagna and

Aquarius Moon did not mean that they are solely responsible for making a native

writer or researcher. I was just referring the native, since I don't know who

the person is. Let me explain, what I inferred in my last message.

> > > >

> > > > Native: Unknown

> > > > 28 January 1963

> > > > Time: 12:15 PM EST

> > > > Place: Boston, MA, USA

> > > >

> > > > Question: Find out profession.

> > > >

> > > > Varottam Taurus is rising while lord of lagna Venus is sitting in 7th

house. Three benefic planets are tenanting in kendra. Native should be

fortunate, pleasing, long lived, healthy and prominent in community/social

circle. The matter of fame is further supported by association of Jupiter+Moon

with arudha lagna (AL) and gati lagna (GL). Ascendant and Moon in fixed signs

render the native firm minded and prudent. It is not easy to convince her

without sound argument. Exaltation of both lagna lord and Moon in navamsa is

indeed a rare signature. She is bestowed with excellence of mental and physical

capabilities, besides having refined aesthetic sense. One born on Monday, having

exalted Moon in navamsa also possesses very fertile imagination and highly

sensitive. Moon with Jupiter is simultaneously forming a powerful gaja-kesari

yoga. In 10th, this combination shows prominence, social respect and honour. But

Moon is the lord of 3rd and Jupiter is of 8th and

> > > > 11th. Both are functional malefic for Taurus ascendant. Due to this

flaw gaja kesari does not ensure much monetary benefit and unparalleled fame.

However, it yields knowledge, wisdom and keen intellect to understand hidden

aspect and best suited to research oriented fields. Mercury is vidya karaka. In

rasi and navamsa, it is tenanting the sign of Guru and Guru is into Aquarius and

aspectig the 2nd and 4th houses (note the 2nd house shows ones learning

inclinations and 4th house indicates formal schooling). So subjects related to

Jupiter, i.e. sacred sciences, metaphysics, law and medicine may be of her

interest. Well, lord of 5th (Mercury) aspects 2nd besides Jupiter's aspect to

2nd is a yoga for understanding astrology. Afflicted Mars and natural malefic

planets in 3rd-9th without shubh drishti reveal, either she is the youngest

among coborn or her sis/bro parted now. Native may also not very happy with her

spouse.

> > > >

> > > > Again come to the query of profession which may be related to writing,

preaching, or research. First take karma karaka Saturn. It is strongly occupied

in 9th as 9th lord. Natives of Capricorn Saturn are dutiful, calculated and

persistent. Saturn in mithunamsa inclines one towards work related to Mercury.

In dasamsa (D10), 10th lord Saturn is in Pisces and aspected by Jupiter and

Mercury ®. Whereas karmapada (A10) is into Gemini. Again, this indicates work

related to Mercury and Jupiter.

> > > >

> > > > However in rasi, Saturn is influenced by four other planets, viz.; Sun,

Ketu, Mars ® and Rahu. By influence I mean here, standard graha drishti and

yuti. Connection of these planets over Saturn suggests initial struggle,

aimlessness and even opposition, up to first Saturn return (1991-92). However,

relative kona (5-9) and dwirdwadasa (2-12) from karaka should also analyze. Here

no planet is in trine to karma karaka Saturn but Jupiter+Moon is ahead and

Mercury ® is behind Saturn. This shubh-kartari yoga indicates luck and

financial autonomy knocked her door during second phase of life.

> > > >

> > > > Lets move to karmasthana (10th house). Jupiter and Moon are occupying

here. No other planets aspects 10th, but Mercury is slightly influencing 10th

and (their occupants) through labha argala. However, influence of Mercury is

more due to Jupiter; since later is a sole dispositor of former. We've already

seen that Mercury is also the navamsa-dispositor of karma karaka Saturn. Thus

native should adopt career related to Mercury, viz. communication, internet,

teaching, preaching, writing, research etc.

> > > >

> > > > Rightnow I'm posting this reply from my office desk and above is what I

could explain with my little understanding. Don't know how right or wrong this

analysis is.

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > > M. Imran

> > > >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

....> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > HI Imran,

> > > > >

> > > > > I was not sharing the information as a challenge but given the rather

strong and definitive sounding (and scholarly, if I may add) posting of yours, I

was hoping that you would utilize this as an opportunity for showcasing and

illustrating the principles and rules that you described in your posting.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, given the taurus lagna and aquarius moon, the person must be one

or more of the possibilities: writer, researcher, fond of classical knowledge

and metaphysics.

> > > > >

> > > > > But I am not understanding clearly why those two factors should lead

to the conclusion that you have arrived at. Again, my intention is not to ambush

you or anything like that but offer an opportunity to illustrate the theoretical

factors described earlier by you.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please elaborate a bit more in details so that the purpose of your

original posting appearning in several places is more fully served. It will be

of great interest to all readers, beginner and beyond.

> > > > >

> > > > > Although you are using 2 factors, is it the 10th house association of

the moon in this chart or 10th house placement of the lord of 3rd that is being

chosen by you as the decisive factor? Or is there mercury and jupiter etc

'between the lines' that are involved as well.

> > > > >

> > > > > I realize that you may not have the time or interest to elaborate, but

since you spent so much time in creating and sharing your original posting, you

may wish to illustrate that with this chart and this will then get fixed in your

readers' minds that much better.

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope you see it that way as well. I will wait for you to write more,

if you wish, and would rather not bias you with my comments about the chart or

the nativity, etc, at this time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > , " astroimran " <astroimran@ >

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rohiniranjan,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your reply seemed different to me (as always). But I was not

expecting such a surprising and challenging quiz. Anyway, let me try. Whether

right or wrong, I would be without ifs and buts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On the basis of given chart (Taurus lagna, Aquaius Moon), the native

may be a writer, researcher and fond of classical knowledge and metaphysics.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With regards,

> > > > > > M. Imran

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi Imraan,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Good points and a great posting! Good to see you coming out of

your shell and challenging the 'status quo' ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now let us move to the pudding ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In your opinion, what should this person have done career-wise in

her life if stars were listened to...?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 28 January 1963

> > > > > > > 12:15 PM EST

> > > > > > > Boston, MA, USA

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Rohiniranjan, Krishnamurthy, Nandini etc.

 

Sorry friends, I could not follow the message thread due to personal engagements

and Eid. Still don't know what is the profession of person (Jan 28, 1963, 12:15

PM EST, Boston, MA, USA).

 

But as a whole, it appeared a good exercise for honing our crude forecasting

skill. However, the question as well as answers should be unambiguous and

to-the-point.

 

Apart from it, please don't add prefix/suffix of Shri, Ji, etc. with my name.

I'm NOT an expert, guru, etc. in fact never been. I'm just an ordinary learner,

who yet does not understand the J of Jyotisha.

 

Sincerely,

 

M. Imran

 

 

 

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> I did share it a few days earlier, if I recall correctly, Krishna jee.

>

> Speaking of professions, I suppose crime might be IT for some, particularly

those who get *good* at it like this birth-day twin:

>

> Daniel Justin Gocheneur

> 28 January 1963

> 6.43 AM CST (UT-6h)

> Lincoln, NE

> USA

> 40N48

> 96W40

> ||||||||||||||||||||||||

> American pro burglar who was sentenced to ten years in March 1984 and again in

June 1991 for attempted burglary sentenced to five years. He was released in

August 1993.

> ||||||||||||||||||||||||

>

>

> Allez-y!

>

> RR_,

>

> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear RR ji,

> >

> > Yes, I agree with your views in general. And, just to clarify, I have not

misunderstood you at all!

> >

> > In fact, if some one had queried " what area of profession is good for me

based on my chart? " , I would have not responded to that query knowing my

limitations in the area under question.

> >

> > You have not yet revealed the profession of the native. It only helps to

know the truth. Hope you will share the details.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> >

> > Tue, 1 December, 2009 9:25:07 AM

> > Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

> >

> >

> > Dear Krishna jee,

> >

> > Few points if I may:

> >

> > Thanks for your sharing but in most of these responses, I am/was/will be

general and not specifically directing at you personally or what you posted.

Please never take it personally!

> >

> > I shall read your blog in details soon and once again, I was not critiquing

you but just making the point that third party postings are not the best way,

because Astrology is a language and a communication between jyotishi and jaatak!

The rest is all hearsay and incomplete communication! As I am sure an

experienced explorer like you already has experienced!

> >

> > And yes it is fun to participate in exercises like the current one, but

nothing like the direct experience between Jyotishi and Jatak.

> >

> > That was all I was saying and have always said!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear RR ji,

> > >

> > > I understand your view point. All of us are not good in all areas of

jyotish. All of us are still learning. If anyone says NO to this, I would like

to test him/her out. However, after putting a few years of learning each one has

their own specialty areas, possibly. And, profession is not one of them for me.

Unfortunately, the question was about profession and I wanted to try out my

learning so far. I failed. That is OK. It tells me that I need to put in much

more effort and focus on this area.

> > >

> > > And, my comment about the relationship was not based on any guess work.

The prediction did not come true by fluke. I have done reasonably extensive

study in this area. And, my work has been already published. The moment I saw

the horoscope this point glaringly appeared. Hence, I added that at the end even

though the question was about profession. If you are interested to know about my

work, you may want to look at:

> > >

> > > http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com/2007_ 12_01_archive. html

> > >

> > > And, I will assure you that there are no hard feelings. I attempted this

voluntarily though the question was directed to Imran. I did that with my own

interest to test my learning rather than with any other motive.

> > >

> > > Thanks for your time and effort on this.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > >

> > > Tue, 1 December, 2009 8:11:30 AM

> > > Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

> > >

> > >

> > > KS_jee,

> > >

> > > My answers as best I know appended below in curly brackets {}

> > >

> > > - The native should be quite famous in his area of work {Sadly, NO!}

> > > - He/She works in a highly competative environment {SHE! And -- Sadly,

NO!}

> > > - Could be involved with music/singing/ media {NO, as far as I know!}

> > > - Might have had a relationship with some one who is much younger to or

very elderly to the native {YES! But not in the sense of it being a romantic one

in the conventional sense, as far as the obviously very private information that

has been shared with me!}.

> > >

> > > Please understand -- I am not critiquing anyone on this thread but we all

seem to possess this tendency (I lead the procession!) that we begin to focus on

a question and then go all over diagonally into other areas and we do that also

with real-time queries and we say fifteen things about a horoscope and five of

them hit the bull's eyes, even if the five have NOTHING to do with the original

question (the occupation of the individual, in this case, for instance!).

> > >

> > > And THAT actually proves my point to some extent, not necessarily the

motivation for this thread but in general!

> > >

> > > Third party postings such as this one would NEVER get you the full answer

or ability to explore!

> > >

> > > You would say a few things, some verified as wrong, a few as, " I don't

know! " and one or two UNCANNILY ACCURATE!

> > >

> > > WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE YOU IN YOUR JYOTISH JOURNEY?

> > >

> > > HENCE, I keep hammering upon all, till they get SICK OF ME, that please

stop this third party SECOND-GUESSING! PLEASE begin interacting directly with

nativities and then you are one step-closer to direct answers, often immediate

and way more gratifying.

> > >

> > > Your CLEVERNESS and 'being in tune' shall lie in your picking the right

ones that would respond! And who shall enhance your learning through immediate

and detailed feedback!

> > >

> > > Some of us would never have learned to love astrology as much as we do,

had we picked the wrong ones consistently -- the ones who do not provide

feedback or have axes to grind!

> > >

> > > I do have a few pointers that landed during my observations that can be

taken as WARNING FLAGS etc. Perhaps someday, I shall share (This is not a 'COME

HITHER' AGENDA!) -- just letting you all know that it is possible to some extent

and so please pay attention!

> > >

> > > Good Luck! To each his/her own experience!!

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Just to add my perspective on this:

> > > >

> > > > - The native should be quite famous in his area of work

> > > > - He/She works in a highly competative environment

> > > > - Could be involved with music/singing/ media

> > > > - Might have had a relationship with some one who is much younger to or

very elderly to the native

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > astroimran <astroimran@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > Tue, 24 November, 2009 8:28:47 PM

> > > > Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sorry Rohiniranjan,

> > > >

> > > > I presume, you must misunderstood my reply. Referring Taurus lagna and

Aquarius Moon did not mean that they are solely responsible for making a native

writer or researcher. I was just referring the native, since I don't know who

the person is. Let me explain, what I inferred in my last message.

> > > >

> > > > Native: Unknown

> > > > 28 January 1963

> > > > Time: 12:15 PM EST

> > > > Place: Boston, MA, USA

> > > >

> > > > Question: Find out profession.

> > > >

> > > > Varottam Taurus is rising while lord of lagna Venus is sitting in 7th

house. Three benefic planets are tenanting in kendra. Native should be

fortunate, pleasing, long lived, healthy and prominent in community/social

circle. The matter of fame is further supported by association of Jupiter+Moon

with arudha lagna (AL) and gati lagna (GL). Ascendant and Moon in fixed signs

render the native firm minded and prudent. It is not easy to convince her

without sound argument. Exaltation of both lagna lord and Moon in navamsa is

indeed a rare signature. She is bestowed with excellence of mental and physical

capabilities, besides having refined aesthetic sense. One born on Monday, having

exalted Moon in navamsa also possesses very fertile imagination and highly

sensitive. Moon with Jupiter is simultaneously forming a powerful gaja-kesari

yoga. In 10th, this combination shows prominence, social respect and honour. But

Moon is the lord of 3rd and Jupiter is of 8th

> > > and

> > > > 11th. Both are functional malefic for Taurus ascendant. Due to this

flaw gaja kesari does not ensure much monetary benefit and unparalleled fame.

However, it yields knowledge, wisdom and keen intellect to understand hidden

aspect and best suited to research oriented fields. Mercury is vidya karaka. In

rasi and navamsa, it is tenanting the sign of Guru and Guru is into Aquarius and

aspectig the 2nd and 4th houses (note the 2nd house shows ones learning

inclinations and 4th house indicates formal schooling). So subjects related to

Jupiter, i.e. sacred sciences, metaphysics, law and medicine may be of her

interest. Well, lord of 5th (Mercury) aspects 2nd besides Jupiter's aspect to

2nd is a yoga for understanding astrology. Afflicted Mars and natural malefic

planets in 3rd-9th without shubh drishti reveal, either she is the youngest

among coborn or her sis/bro parted now. Native may also not very happy with her

spouse.

> > > >

> > > > Again come to the query of profession which may be related to writing,

preaching, or research. First take karma karaka Saturn. It is strongly occupied

in 9th as 9th lord. Natives of Capricorn Saturn are dutiful, calculated and

persistent. Saturn in mithunamsa inclines one towards work related to Mercury.

In dasamsa (D10), 10th lord Saturn is in Pisces and aspected by Jupiter and

Mercury ®. Whereas karmapada (A10) is into Gemini. Again, this indicates work

related to Mercury and Jupiter.

> > > >

> > > > However in rasi, Saturn is influenced by four other planets, viz.; Sun,

Ketu, Mars ® and Rahu. By influence I mean here, standard graha drishti and

yuti. Connection of these planets over Saturn suggests initial struggle,

aimlessness and even opposition, up to first Saturn return (1991-92). However,

relative kona (5-9) and dwirdwadasa (2-12) from karaka should also analyze. Here

no planet is in trine to karma karaka Saturn but Jupiter+Moon is ahead and

Mercury ® is behind Saturn. This shubh-kartari yoga indicates luck and

financial autonomy knocked her door during second phase of life.

> > > >

> > > > Lets move to karmasthana (10th house). Jupiter and Moon are occupying

here. No other planets aspects 10th, but Mercury is slightly influencing 10th

and (their occupants) through labha argala. However, influence of Mercury is

more due to Jupiter; since later is a sole dispositor of former. We've already

seen that Mercury is also the navamsa-dispositor of karma karaka Saturn. Thus

native should adopt career related to Mercury, viz. communication, internet,

teaching, preaching, writing, research etc.

> > > >

> > > > Rightnow I'm posting this reply from my office desk and above is what I

could explain with my little understanding. Don't know how right or wrong this

analysis is.

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > > M. Imran

> > > >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

....> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > HI Imran,

> > > > >

> > > > > I was not sharing the information as a challenge but given the rather

strong and definitive sounding (and scholarly, if I may add) posting of yours, I

was hoping that you would utilize this as an opportunity for showcasing and

illustrating the principles and rules that you described in your posting.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, given the taurus lagna and aquarius moon, the person must be one

or more of the possibilities: writer, researcher, fond of classical knowledge

and metaphysics.

> > > > >

> > > > > But I am not understanding clearly why those two factors should lead

to the conclusion that you have arrived at. Again, my intention is not to ambush

you or anything like that but offer an opportunity to illustrate the theoretical

factors described earlier by you.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please elaborate a bit more in details so that the purpose of your

original posting appearning in several places is more fully served. It will be

of great interest to all readers, beginner and beyond.

> > > > >

> > > > > Although you are using 2 factors, is it the 10th house association of

the moon in this chart or 10th house placement of the lord of 3rd that is being

chosen by you as the decisive factor? Or is there mercury and jupiter etc

'between the lines' that are involved as well.

> > > > >

> > > > > I realize that you may not have the time or interest to elaborate, but

since you spent so much time in creating and sharing your original posting, you

may wish to illustrate that with this chart and this will then get fixed in your

readers' minds that much better.

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope you see it that way as well. I will wait for you to write more,

if you wish, and would rather not bias you with my comments about the chart or

the nativity, etc, at this time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > , " astroimran " <astroimran@ >

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rohiniranjan,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your reply seemed different to me (as always). But I was not

expecting such a surprising and challenging quiz. Anyway, let me try. Whether

right or wrong, I would be without ifs and buts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On the basis of given chart (Taurus lagna, Aquaius Moon), the native

may be a writer, researcher and fond of classical knowledge and metaphysics.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With regards,

> > > > > > M. Imran

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi Imraan,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Good points and a great posting! Good to see you coming out of

your shell and challenging the 'status quo' ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now let us move to the pudding ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In your opinion, what should this person have done career-wise in

her life if stars were listened to...?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 28 January 1963

> > > > > > > 12:15 PM EST

> > > > > > > Boston, MA, USA

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Imran,

 

Welcome back! Since you were busy, you probably did not have time to read the

message which I posted a while ago (quoted below my response, for your

convenience):

 

So, to reiterate and summarize, there was no strong expression or need for a

profession due to comfortable status. Good call on 'astrology' though it was in

passing, overall. No significant writing etc. Perhaps dabbled in stocks etc for

personal gains, but not sure how seriously.

 

The interesting thing is that despite a good chart, and all the factors

described, the profession was not strongly expressed. The other chart of the

individual born on the same day is also interesting.

 

RR_,

 

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Re: A few tips for judging career <<???>>

 

 

Hi Ravi,

 

Can comment on certain aspect of the detailed readings (which Imraan calls

guesses, rather modestly!). Person was well-to do, independently (family and

payments through marriage/common-law relationship, as far as I knew), did a bit

of astrology during mid to late 90s -- that is how I got the chart!), to the

best of my knowledge no significant writing skills etc.

 

Hope this helps,

 

RR

 

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, " astroimran " <astroimran wrote:

>

> Dear Rohiniranjan, Krishnamurthy, Nandini etc.

>

> Sorry friends, I could not follow the message thread due to personal

engagements and Eid. Still don't know what is the profession of person (Jan 28,

1963, 12:15 PM EST, Boston, MA, USA).

>

> But as a whole, it appeared a good exercise for honing our crude forecasting

skill. However, the question as well as answers should be unambiguous and

to-the-point.

>

> Apart from it, please don't add prefix/suffix of Shri, Ji, etc. with my name.

I'm NOT an expert, guru, etc. in fact never been. I'm just an ordinary learner,

who yet does not understand the J of Jyotisha.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> M. Imran

>

>

>

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > I did share it a few days earlier, if I recall correctly, Krishna jee.

> >

> > Speaking of professions, I suppose crime might be IT for some, particularly

those who get *good* at it like this birth-day twin:

> >

> > Daniel Justin Gocheneur

> > 28 January 1963

> > 6.43 AM CST (UT-6h)

> > Lincoln, NE

> > USA

> > 40N48

> > 96W40

> > ||||||||||||||||||||||||

> > American pro burglar who was sentenced to ten years in March 1984 and again

in June 1991 for attempted burglary sentenced to five years. He was released in

August 1993.

> > ||||||||||||||||||||||||

> >

> >

> > Allez-y!

> >

> > RR_,

> >