Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Shri Darshaney Lokeshji, Jai Shri Ram! In this age of internet, every imported Vamadeva is more than willing to teach us “Vedic astrology” for which he does not expect any remuneration from us. But as the saying goes, there are no free lunches! They are now teaching us even our dharmashastras, as to when to celebrate the punyakala of Uttarayana and so on even if they cannot read those dharmashastras upside down themselves! Personally, I think Hindus are more to be blamed for all such “free tuitions” since we are prepared to embrace any “sermon” in the name of “Vedic astrology” especially if it comes from some videshi! Take the case of Winter Solstice of 2009. As per page 151 of “Astronomical Tables of the Sun, Moon and Planets” by Jean Meeus (published by Willmann-Bell, Inc; USA, 1995) it is to take place on December 21, 2009 at 17 hrs 47mts 53 seconds, Dynamical Time. And as per Swiss Ephemeris, the solar longitude at that time will be 29 sa 59'59.9920. Thus it means that Jean Meeus is as correct as the Swiss Ephemeris. Let us cross check it with Vishnu.exe program in Hinducalendar forum. For that time on December 21, 2009, as per that program, the longitude of the sun is 270 degrees 0 mts. 1 second! In other words, Vishnu program is also as accurate as either of the above named programs/data! With an average rate of motion of one degree per day in case of the sun, it will not take more than 24 seconds for that luminary to cover one arc-second of longitude and that is an insignificant variation in a program that embraces a span of more than 22000 years from 10000 BCE to 12030 AD. With Delta Time on December 21, 2009 being about 70 seconds plus, the UT for that period is 17hrs 46 mts 43 seconds. By adding 5.5 hrs to the same as difference for UT and IST, we get 23 hrs 16 mts 43 sec IST. Thus whichever way we look at it, your assessment that the actual timing of Uttarayana is 11-17 pm IST on December 21, 2009 is quite correct! Now coming to Makar Sankranti! It has become a hammering rod for most of the videshis especially as the Hindus go into deliriums the moment they learn that some “foreigner” is also going to celebrate it! What Makar Sankranti are they talking about, they do not know it themselves actually! We have at least half a dozen very prominent Makar Sankrantis these days! There is (1) Surya Sidhanta (calculations) Makar Sankranti, a (ii) Grahalaghava Makar Sanrkanti, (ii) Lahiri Makar Sankranti, (iii) Ramana Makar Sankranti, (iv) Muladhara Makar Sankranti, (v) Raivata Paksha Makar Sankranti and so on! Then we have also another Makar Sankranti as per the Puranas, which is actually a ditto coy of the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the melccha, since that is actually nothing but a so called Sankranti based on Greco-Chaldean Astrology, which Western jyotishis are using these days. Actually, most of the videshi jyotishis, in order to increase the clientele of their Sayana jyotisha, do so on the shoulders of the same Makara Sankranti just as Lahiriwalas celebrate a Lahir Makar Sanrkanti in order to impress their clients about the accuracy of that Rashichakra! Dr. Wilkinson is perhaps confusing the Uttarayana for the same Pauranic Makar Sankranti! But his working out the timing is really surprising! On second thoughts, I do not think it is actually that surprising, since “Vedic astrologers”, whether Sayana or nirayana or imported or indigenous do not do any calculations themselves but they just go by computer programs for making horoscopes based on data from JPL/NASA! They have, as such, no idea about the difference in LMT and IST since what Dr. Wilkinson has done actually is he has not only calculated the Uttarayana Time wrong by ten minutes, since as against 11-17 PM IST he has calculated it for 11-07 PM IST and again made a “double whammy” of Local Time of Uttarayana, which he fancies to call Makar Sankranti, at a time that is less by 20 minutes from IST since Kodaikalnal has a longitude east of 77.29 degrees which is less by five degrees i.e. twenty minutes of time from the Central Station of India, wherefrom IST is calculated! Obviously, Dr. Wilkinson has no idea of the fact that then he will have to synchronize his watches also to Local Time of Kodaikanal, in order to celebrate a geocentric geographical phenomenon as per the Local time of a place in India instead of IST, but that will not change the timing of the phenomenon itself! Coming again to Makar Sanrkanti, if anybody, whether Lahiriwalas or Ramanawalas or Surya Sidhantawalas or even Sayanawalas want to celebrate the real Makar Sankranti of the Sun, they must do so on January 24, 2010 at 7hrs 15 mts. UT/GMT since the longitude of the sun will then be 304-11-17, which is the exact longitude of Beta Capricorni star on that date! That is the only date and time when the real “Makar Sankranti” of the sun will take place between January 2009 and January 2010! Jai Shri Ram! A K Kaul Re: Re: Calculation of Makar Sankranti Dear Robert ji, Namastey. I have checked the calculation and found correct. I wnat to see you something more indulged in this calculation and for that reason I am not giving you my explaination of required ''why''. " but I feel like we have the exact time. " I do not understand what do you mean by this sentense. You have used the word 'Darshany' as the verb 'done'. What type of english is this? More over my name is Darshaney and not Darshany. Darshaney means the son of Smt Darshani Devi i.e. it pertains to my respected mother's name also and for that, I wish if it could be spelled correctly. Would you...? Thanks for the interest. Darshaney Lokesh Robert Wilkinson <robtw " skambha " <skambha; sai srinivasan <saisrinivasan; darshaneylokesh Sun, 22 November, 2009 11:16:32 PM Fw: Re: Calculation of Makar Sankranti Thea, I have been working on extrapolating the exact timing for the Winter Solstice at Skambha. The time that I sent earlier of 21/12 at 11:07 pm was based on Indian Standard Time which is calculated at Greenwich Time plus 5 ½ hours. If you figure that 1 hour of Time equals 15 degrees of Longitude, 5 ½ hours of time corresponds to a position 82.30 degrees of longitude East of Greenwich. Kodaikanal, as we know, is at 77.29 degrees longitude East of Greenwich, leaving a difference of -5 degrees. If 15 degrees of longitude equals 1 hour, then 5 degrees of longitude equals 1/3 of an hour or 20 minutes. Therefore, if we figure the exact moment of the Winter Solstice at Indian Standard Time (82.30 lon.) to be 21/12 at 11:07 pm, the timing at Skambha adjusted by -5 degrees lon. will be 20 minutes earlier on 21/12 10:47 pm. You might have Darshany double check my figures but I feel like we have the exact time. Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Leaving all belief and faith etc aside, Kaul Saheb, all are forgetting the FUNDAMENTAL thing! What do these solstices and equinoxes and other TRANSITIONS of Sun or other planets really amount to? In terms of individual experiencing? I am sure, some of us might be able to relate a few experiences which were significant and connected with such transitions -- as viewed from the Earth, but does that really prove anything? From a practical ASTROLOGICAL (as opposed to astronomical machinations and meanderings which seem to have distracted and hi-jacked modern Jyotish more than such meanderings are worth!) perspective, while many jyotishis (and astrologers of other cloths and beliefs) pay hommage to transits of Sun and moon or whatever, such isolated focii of attention are deceptive and misleading! Jyotish, at least, has -- at least to HER serious and sincere observers -- constituted more than just transits! Which is all that these apparent sankrantis etc of our STAR, the SUN represents. Sun, by the way, is now being recognized as the primary determinator of climate change, now that the politics of scientists who created the confusion about Global warming has emerged! How interesting! Just when the massive communal debilitated state of planets is reversing and with their clouds lifting, the LIGHT is beginning to shine once again! Jyotish, for reasons good, bad or ugly -- have become associated with karma-kanda and pooja and so on and carries that cross on its shoulders but the two are not mutually inclusive! Only someone who cares not one whit about astrology/jyotish would, despite personal claims of successful predictions, would avoid the very fundamental tenets of Jyotish that recommend that we look at the chart of the epoch and its qualities (birth chart, yogas and other factors) and then combine those with the proper dasas and transits to arrive at the fuller picture! Rohiniranjan , " jyotirved " <jyotirved wrote: > > Shri Darshaney Lokeshji, > > Jai Shri Ram! > > In this age of internet, every imported Vamadeva is more than willing to > teach us " Vedic astrology " for which he does not expect any remuneration > from us. But as the saying goes, there are no free lunches! > > They are now teaching us even our dharmashastras, as to when to celebrate > the punyakala of Uttarayana and so on even if they cannot read those > dharmashastras upside down themselves! > > Personally, I think Hindus are more to be blamed for all such " free > tuitions " since we are prepared to embrace any " sermon " in the name of > " Vedic astrology " especially if it comes from some videshi! > > Take the case of Winter Solstice of 2009. As per page 151 of " Astronomical > Tables of the Sun, Moon and Planets " by Jean Meeus (published by > Willmann-Bell, Inc; USA, 1995) it is to take place on December 21, 2009 at > 17 hrs 47mts 53 seconds, Dynamical Time. And as per Swiss Ephemeris, the > solar longitude at that time will be 29 sa 59'59.9920. Thus it means that > Jean Meeus is as correct as the Swiss Ephemeris. Let us cross check it with > Vishnu.exe program in Hinducalendar forum. For that time on December 21, > 2009, as per that program, the longitude of the sun is 270 degrees 0 mts. 1 > second! In other words, Vishnu program is also as accurate as either of the > above named programs/data! With an average rate of motion of one degree per > day in case of the sun, it will not take more than 24 seconds for that > luminary to cover one arc-second of longitude and that is an insignificant > variation in a program that embraces a span of more than 22000 years from > 10000 BCE to 12030 AD. > > With Delta Time on December 21, 2009 being about 70 seconds plus, the UT > for that period is 17hrs 46 mts 43 seconds. By adding 5.5 hrs to the same > as difference for UT and IST, we get 23 hrs 16 mts 43 sec IST. > > Thus whichever way we look at it, your assessment that the actual timing of > Uttarayana is 11-17 pm IST on December 21, 2009 is quite correct! > > Now coming to Makar Sankranti! It has become a hammering rod for most of > the videshis especially as the Hindus go into deliriums the moment they > learn that some " foreigner " is also going to celebrate it! What Makar > Sankranti are they talking about, they do not know it themselves actually! > We have at least half a dozen very prominent Makar Sankrantis these days! > There is (1) Surya Sidhanta (calculations) Makar Sankranti, a (ii) > Grahalaghava Makar Sanrkanti, (ii) Lahiri Makar Sankranti, (iii) Ramana > Makar Sankranti, (iv) Muladhara Makar Sankranti, (v) Raivata Paksha Makar > Sankranti and so on! Then we have also another Makar Sankranti as per the > Puranas, which is actually a ditto coy of the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the > melccha, since that is actually nothing but a so called Sankranti based on > Greco-Chaldean Astrology, which Western jyotishis are using these days. > Actually, most of the videshi jyotishis, in order to increase the clientele > of their Sayana jyotisha, do so on the shoulders of the same Makara > Sankranti just as Lahiriwalas celebrate a Lahir Makar Sanrkanti in order to > impress their clients about the accuracy of that Rashichakra! > > Dr. Wilkinson is perhaps confusing the Uttarayana for the same Pauranic > Makar Sankranti! But his working out the timing is really surprising! On > second thoughts, I do not think it is actually that surprising, since " Vedic > astrologers " , whether Sayana or nirayana or imported or indigenous do not do > any calculations themselves but they just go by computer programs for making > horoscopes based on data from JPL/NASA! They have, as such, no idea about > the difference in LMT and IST since what Dr. Wilkinson has done actually is > he has not only calculated the Uttarayana Time wrong by ten minutes, since > as against 11-17 PM IST he has calculated it for 11-07 PM IST and again > made a " double whammy " of Local Time of Uttarayana, which he fancies to call > Makar Sankranti, at a time that is less by 20 minutes from IST since > Kodaikalnal has a longitude east of 77.29 degrees which is less by five > degrees i.e. twenty minutes of time from the Central Station of India, > wherefrom IST is calculated! > > Obviously, Dr. Wilkinson has no idea of the fact that then he will have to > synchronize his watches also to Local Time of Kodaikanal, in order to > celebrate a geocentric geographical phenomenon as per the Local time of a > place in India instead of IST, but that will not change the timing of the > phenomenon itself! > > Coming again to Makar Sanrkanti, if anybody, whether Lahiriwalas or > Ramanawalas or Surya Sidhantawalas or even Sayanawalas want to celebrate the > real Makar Sankranti of the Sun, they must do so on January 24, 2010 at 7hrs > 15 mts. UT/GMT since the longitude of the sun will then be 304-11-17, which > is the exact longitude of Beta Capricorni star on that date! > > That is the only date and time when the real " Makar Sankranti " of the sun > will take place between January 2009 and January 2010! > > Jai Shri Ram! > > A K Kaul > > > > Re: Re: Calculation of Makar Sankranti > > > > Dear Robert ji, > > Namastey. > > I have checked the calculation and found correct. I wnat to see > you something more indulged > > in this calculation and for that reason I am not giving you my explaination > of required ''why''. > > " but I feel like we have the exact time. " I do not understand what > do you mean by this > > sentense. You have used the word 'Darshany' as the verb 'done'. What type of > english is this? More > > over my name is Darshaney and not Darshany. Darshaney means the son of Smt > Darshani Devi i.e. it > > pertains to my respected mother's name also and for that, I wish if it could > be spelled correctly. Would > > you...? > > Thanks for the interest. > > > Darshaney Lokesh > > > > Robert Wilkinson <robtw > " skambha " <skambha; sai srinivasan > <saisrinivasan; darshaneylokesh > Sun, 22 November, 2009 11:16:32 PM > Fw: Re: Calculation of Makar Sankranti > > Thea, > I have been working on extrapolating the exact timing for the Winter > Solstice at Skambha. The time that I sent earlier of 21/12 at 11:07 pm was > based on Indian Standard Time which is calculated at Greenwich Time plus 5 ½ > hours. If you figure that 1 hour of Time equals 15 degrees of Longitude, 5 ½ > hours of time corresponds to a position 82.30 degrees of longitude East of > Greenwich. Kodaikanal, as we know, is at 77.29 degrees longitude East of > Greenwich, leaving a difference of -5 degrees. If 15 degrees of longitude > equals 1 hour, then 5 degrees of longitude equals 1/3 of an hour or 20 > minutes. Therefore, if we figure the exact moment of the Winter Solstice at > Indian Standard Time (82.30 lon.) to be 21/12 at 11:07 pm, the timing at > Skambha adjusted by -5 degrees lon. will be 20 minutes earlier on 21/12 > 10:47 pm. You might have Darshany double check my figures but I feel like we > have the exact time. > Robert > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear RRvery very well said. >Only someone who cares not one whit about astrology/jyotish would, despite >personal claims of successful predictions, would avoid the very fundamental tenets >of Jyotish that recommend that we look at the chart of the epoch and its qualities >(birth chart, yogas and other factors) and then combine those with the proper dasas >and transits to arrive at the fuller picture! Mahalakshmi --- On Thu, 26/11/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: Clculation of Makar Sankranti (sic!) Thursday, 26 November, 2009, 7:55 AM  Leaving all belief and faith etc aside, Kaul Saheb, all are forgetting the FUNDAMENTAL thing! What do these solstices and equinoxes and other TRANSITIONS of Sun or other planets really amount to? In terms of individual experiencing? I am sure, some of us might be able to relate a few experiences which were significant and connected with such transitions -- as viewed from the Earth, but does that really prove anything? From a practical ASTROLOGICAL (as opposed to astronomical machinations and meanderings which seem to have distracted and hi-jacked modern Jyotish more than such meanderings are worth!) perspective, while many jyotishis (and astrologers of other cloths and beliefs) pay hommage to transits of Sun and moon or whatever, such isolated focii of attention are deceptive and misleading! Jyotish, at least, has -- at least to HER serious and sincere observers -- constituted more than just transits! Which is all that these apparent sankrantis etc of our STAR, the SUN represents. Sun, by the way, is now being recognized as the primary determinator of climate change, now that the politics of scientists who created the confusion about Global warming has emerged! How interesting! Just when the massive communal debilitated state of planets is reversing and with their clouds lifting, the LIGHT is beginning to shine once again! Jyotish, for reasons good, bad or ugly -- have become associated with karma-kanda and pooja and so on and carries that cross on its shoulders but the two are not mutually inclusive! Only someone who cares not one whit about astrology/jyotish would, despite personal claims of successful predictions, would avoid the very fundamental tenets of Jyotish that recommend that we look at the chart of the epoch and its qualities (birth chart, yogas and other factors) and then combine those with the proper dasas and transits to arrive at the fuller picture! Rohiniranjan , " jyotirved " <jyotirved@. ..> wrote: > > Shri Darshaney Lokeshji, > > Jai Shri Ram! > > In this age of internet, every imported Vamadeva is more than willing to > teach us " Vedic astrology " for which he does not expect any remuneration > from us. But as the saying goes, there are no free lunches! > > They are now teaching us even our dharmashastras, as to when to celebrate > the punyakala of Uttarayana and so on even if they cannot read those > dharmashastras upside down themselves! > > Personally, I think Hindus are more to be blamed for all such " free > tuitions " since we are prepared to embrace any " sermon " in the name of > " Vedic astrology " especially if it comes from some videshi! > > Take the case of Winter Solstice of 2009. As per page 151 of " Astronomical > Tables of the Sun, Moon and Planets " by Jean Meeus (published by > Willmann-Bell, Inc; USA, 1995) it is to take place on December 21, 2009 at > 17 hrs 47mts 53 seconds, Dynamical Time. And as per Swiss Ephemeris, the > solar longitude at that time will be 29 sa 59'59.9920. Thus it means that > Jean Meeus is as correct as the Swiss Ephemeris. Let us cross check it with > Vishnu.exe program in Hinducalendar forum. For that time on December 21, > 2009, as per that program, the longitude of the sun is 270 degrees 0 mts. 1 > second! In other words, Vishnu program is also as accurate as either of the > above named programs/data! With an average rate of motion of one degree per > day in case of the sun, it will not take more than 24 seconds for that > luminary to cover one arc-second of longitude and that is an insignificant > variation in a program that embraces a span of more than 22000 years from > 10000 BCE to 12030 AD. > > With Delta Time on December 21, 2009 being about 70 seconds plus, the UT > for that period is 17hrs 46 mts 43 seconds. By adding 5.5 hrs to the same > as difference for UT and IST, we get 23 hrs 16 mts 43 sec IST. > > Thus whichever way we look at it, your assessment that the actual timing of > Uttarayana is 11-17 pm IST on December 21, 2009 is quite correct! > > Now coming to Makar Sankranti! It has become a hammering rod for most of > the videshis especially as the Hindus go into deliriums the moment they > learn that some " foreigner " is also going to celebrate it! What Makar > Sankranti are they talking about, they do not know it themselves actually! > We have at least half a dozen very prominent Makar Sankrantis these days! > There is (1) Surya Sidhanta (calculations) Makar Sankranti, a (ii) > Grahalaghava Makar Sanrkanti, (ii) Lahiri Makar Sankranti, (iii) Ramana > Makar Sankranti, (iv) Muladhara Makar Sankranti, (v) Raivata Paksha Makar > Sankranti and so on! Then we have also another Makar Sankranti as per the > Puranas, which is actually a ditto coy of the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the > melccha, since that is actually nothing but a so called Sankranti based on > Greco-Chaldean Astrology, which Western jyotishis are using these days. > Actually, most of the videshi jyotishis, in order to increase the clientele > of their Sayana jyotisha, do so on the shoulders of the same Makara > Sankranti just as Lahiriwalas celebrate a Lahir Makar Sanrkanti in order to > impress their clients about the accuracy of that Rashichakra! > > Dr. Wilkinson is perhaps confusing the Uttarayana for the same Pauranic > Makar Sankranti! But his working out the timing is really surprising! On > second thoughts, I do not think it is actually that surprising, since " Vedic > astrologers " , whether Sayana or nirayana or imported or indigenous do not do > any calculations themselves but they just go by computer programs for making > horoscopes based on data from JPL/NASA! They have, as such, no idea about > the difference in LMT and IST since what Dr. Wilkinson has done actually is > he has not only calculated the Uttarayana Time wrong by ten minutes, since > as against 11-17 PM IST he has calculated it for 11-07 PM IST and again > made a " double whammy " of Local Time of Uttarayana, which he fancies to call > Makar Sankranti, at a time that is less by 20 minutes from IST since > Kodaikalnal has a longitude east of 77.29 degrees which is less by five > degrees i.e. twenty minutes of time from the Central Station of India, > wherefrom IST is calculated! > > Obviously, Dr. Wilkinson has no idea of the fact that then he will have to > synchronize his watches also to Local Time of Kodaikanal, in order to > celebrate a geocentric geographical phenomenon as per the Local time of a > place in India instead of IST, but that will not change the timing of the > phenomenon itself! > > Coming again to Makar Sanrkanti, if anybody, whether Lahiriwalas or > Ramanawalas or Surya Sidhantawalas or even Sayanawalas want to celebrate the > real Makar Sankranti of the Sun, they must do so on January 24, 2010 at 7hrs > 15 mts. UT/GMT since the longitude of the sun will then be 304-11-17, which > is the exact longitude of Beta Capricorni star on that date! > > That is the only date and time when the real " Makar Sankranti " of the sun > will take place between January 2009 and January 2010! > > Jai Shri Ram! > > A K Kaul > > > > Re: Re: Calculation of Makar Sankranti > > > > Dear Robert ji, > > Namastey. > > I have checked the calculation and found correct. I wnat to see > you something more indulged > > in this calculation and for that reason I am not giving you my explaination > of required ''why''. > > " but I feel like we have the exact time. " I do not understand what > do you mean by this > > sentense. You have used the word 'Darshany' as the verb 'done'. What type of > english is this? More > > over my name is Darshaney and not Darshany. Darshaney means the son of Smt > Darshani Devi i.e. it > > pertains to my respected mother's name also and for that, I wish if it could > be spelled correctly. Would > > you...? > > Thanks for the interest. > > > Darshaney Lokesh > > > > Robert Wilkinson <robtw > " skambha " <skambha >; sai srinivasan > <saisrinivasan@ ...>; darshaneylokesh@ ... > Sun, 22 November, 2009 11:16:32 PM > Fw: Re: Calculation of Makar Sankranti > > Thea, > I have been working on extrapolating the exact timing for the Winter > Solstice at Skambha. The time that I sent earlier of 21/12 at 11:07 pm was > based on Indian Standard Time which is calculated at Greenwich Time plus 5 ½ > hours. If you figure that 1 hour of Time equals 15 degrees of Longitude, 5 ½ > hours of time corresponds to a position 82.30 degrees of longitude East of > Greenwich. Kodaikanal, as we know, is at 77.29 degrees longitude East of > Greenwich, leaving a difference of -5 degrees. If 15 degrees of longitude > equals 1 hour, then 5 degrees of longitude equals 1/3 of an hour or 20 > minutes. Therefore, if we figure the exact moment of the Winter Solstice at > Indian Standard Time (82.30 lon.) to be 21/12 at 11:07 pm, the timing at > Skambha adjusted by -5 degrees lon. will be 20 minutes earlier on 21/12 > 10:47 pm. You might have Darshany double check my figures but I feel like we > have the exact time. > Robert > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 A) First thing could you please show where it is written in Rig-Veda that yuga was consisting 5 solar years as described by Lagdha. So why you are making calendar based on VJ. Why it could not be import from Assyrians, Assyrians were also using calendar with Tithis. B) Second thing if let suppose that One yuga consists of 5 solar years, why we should celebrate New Year on any of the tithi. According to VEDA, do all the tithis are same, is there no difference between New and Full Moon. Than why we should celebrate New Year on Equinox on any tithi as you are proposing. Mr HariMalla jis point is correct of celebrating NEW YEAR. C) Third thing if somebody celebrates any festival, let suppose in A star tithi (A is deity) than how according to equinox one should start celebrating same festival in B star tithi(B is deity) after some years. It means star deity ie NKS has no importance and those are JOKERS in front of Cardinal Points. D) Fourth thing, Hindus could also be Elamite Dravidians and they have importance of Sankranti ie of Rashi, why they should stop worshipping Sankranti. E) Why you want to make all Hindus as like Hitler's Aryan. Conclusion is, keep your proposal in your pocket as it has loopholes! And one challenge to you that prove astrology is not VEDIC ASTROLOGY. Regs, Prashant Pandey , " jyotirved " <jyotirved wrote: > > Shri Darshaney Lokeshji, > > Jai Shri Ram! > > In this age of internet, every imported Vamadeva is more than willing to > teach us " Vedic astrology " for which he does not expect any remuneration > from us. But as the saying goes, there are no free lunches! > > They are now teaching us even our dharmashastras, as to when to celebrate > the punyakala of Uttarayana and so on even if they cannot read those > dharmashastras upside down themselves! > > Personally, I think Hindus are more to be blamed for all such " free > tuitions " since we are prepared to embrace any " sermon " in the name of > " Vedic astrology " especially if it comes from some videshi! > > Take the case of Winter Solstice of 2009. As per page 151 of " Astronomical > Tables of the Sun, Moon and Planets " by Jean Meeus (published by > Willmann-Bell, Inc; USA, 1995) it is to take place on December 21, 2009 at > 17 hrs 47mts 53 seconds, Dynamical Time. And as per Swiss Ephemeris, the > solar longitude at that time will be 29 sa 59'59.9920. Thus it means that > Jean Meeus is as correct as the Swiss Ephemeris. Let us cross check it with > Vishnu.exe program in Hinducalendar forum. For that time on December 21, > 2009, as per that program, the longitude of the sun is 270 degrees 0 mts. 1 > second! In other words, Vishnu program is also as accurate as either of the > above named programs/data! With an average rate of motion of one degree per > day in case of the sun, it will not take more than 24 seconds for that > luminary to cover one arc-second of longitude and that is an insignificant > variation in a program that embraces a span of more than 22000 years from > 10000 BCE to 12030 AD. > > With Delta Time on December 21, 2009 being about 70 seconds plus, the UT > for that period is 17hrs 46 mts 43 seconds. By adding 5.5 hrs to the same > as difference for UT and IST, we get 23 hrs 16 mts 43 sec IST. > > Thus whichever way we look at it, your assessment that the actual timing of > Uttarayana is 11-17 pm IST on December 21, 2009 is quite correct! > > Now coming to Makar Sankranti! It has become a hammering rod for most of > the videshis especially as the Hindus go into deliriums the moment they > learn that some " foreigner " is also going to celebrate it! What Makar > Sankranti are they talking about, they do not know it themselves actually! > We have at least half a dozen very prominent Makar Sankrantis these days! > There is (1) Surya Sidhanta (calculations) Makar Sankranti, a (ii) > Grahalaghava Makar Sanrkanti, (ii) Lahiri Makar Sankranti, (iii) Ramana > Makar Sankranti, (iv) Muladhara Makar Sankranti, (v) Raivata Paksha Makar > Sankranti and so on! Then we have also another Makar Sankranti as per the > Puranas, which is actually a ditto coy of the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the > melccha, since that is actually nothing but a so called Sankranti based on > Greco-Chaldean Astrology, which Western jyotishis are using these days. > Actually, most of the videshi jyotishis, in order to increase the clientele > of their Sayana jyotisha, do so on the shoulders of the same Makara > Sankranti just as Lahiriwalas celebrate a Lahir Makar Sanrkanti in order to > impress their clients about the accuracy of that Rashichakra! > > Dr. Wilkinson is perhaps confusing the Uttarayana for the same Pauranic > Makar Sankranti! But his working out the timing is really surprising! On > second thoughts, I do not think it is actually that surprising, since " Vedic > astrologers " , whether Sayana or nirayana or imported or indigenous do not do > any calculations themselves but they just go by computer programs for making > horoscopes based on data from JPL/NASA! They have, as such, no idea about > the difference in LMT and IST since what Dr. Wilkinson has done actually is > he has not only calculated the Uttarayana Time wrong by ten minutes, since > as against 11-17 PM IST he has calculated it for 11-07 PM IST and again > made a " double whammy " of Local Time of Uttarayana, which he fancies to call > Makar Sankranti, at a time that is less by 20 minutes from IST since > Kodaikalnal has a longitude east of 77.29 degrees which is less by five > degrees i.e. twenty minutes of time from the Central Station of India, > wherefrom IST is calculated! > > Obviously, Dr. Wilkinson has no idea of the fact that then he will have to > synchronize his watches also to Local Time of Kodaikanal, in order to > celebrate a geocentric geographical phenomenon as per the Local time of a > place in India instead of IST, but that will not change the timing of the > phenomenon itself! > > Coming again to Makar Sanrkanti, if anybody, whether Lahiriwalas or > Ramanawalas or Surya Sidhantawalas or even Sayanawalas want to celebrate the > real Makar Sankranti of the Sun, they must do so on January 24, 2010 at 7hrs > 15 mts. UT/GMT since the longitude of the sun will then be 304-11-17, which > is the exact longitude of Beta Capricorni star on that date! > > That is the only date and time when the real " Makar Sankranti " of the sun > will take place between January 2009 and January 2010! > > Jai Shri Ram! > > A K Kaul > > > > Re: Re: Calculation of Makar Sankranti > > > > Dear Robert ji, > > Namastey. > > I have checked the calculation and found correct. I wnat to see > you something more indulged > > in this calculation and for that reason I am not giving you my explaination > of required ''why''. > > " but I feel like we have the exact time. " I do not understand what > do you mean by this > > sentense. You have used the word 'Darshany' as the verb 'done'. What type of > english is this? More > > over my name is Darshaney and not Darshany. Darshaney means the son of Smt > Darshani Devi i.e. it > > pertains to my respected mother's name also and for that, I wish if it could > be spelled correctly. Would > > you...? > > Thanks for the interest. > > > Darshaney Lokesh > > > > Robert Wilkinson <robtw > " skambha " <skambha; sai srinivasan > <saisrinivasan; darshaneylokesh > Sun, 22 November, 2009 11:16:32 PM > Fw: Re: Calculation of Makar Sankranti > > Thea, > I have been working on extrapolating the exact timing for the Winter > Solstice at Skambha. The time that I sent earlier of 21/12 at 11:07 pm was > based on Indian Standard Time which is calculated at Greenwich Time plus 5 ½ > hours. If you figure that 1 hour of Time equals 15 degrees of Longitude, 5 ½ > hours of time corresponds to a position 82.30 degrees of longitude East of > Greenwich. Kodaikanal, as we know, is at 77.29 degrees longitude East of > Greenwich, leaving a difference of -5 degrees. If 15 degrees of longitude > equals 1 hour, then 5 degrees of longitude equals 1/3 of an hour or 20 > minutes. Therefore, if we figure the exact moment of the Winter Solstice at > Indian Standard Time (82.30 lon.) to be 21/12 at 11:07 pm, the timing at > Skambha adjusted by -5 degrees lon. will be 20 minutes earlier on 21/12 > 10:47 pm. You might have Darshany double check my figures but I feel like we > have the exact time. > Robert > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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