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Rohiniranjan

 

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

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> Dear friends,

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> All the Rashis mentioned in the puranas are Sidereal as shown in the Vamana

purana and no other purana had contradicted that. No purana ever said that the

rashis are not sidereal. Let Jyotirved show a single statement if any purana

specifically mentioned that the Rashis are not sidereeal. All  the Rashis

mentioned in the Puranas, as quoted by  Jyotirved in his  BVB6.doc,   are

sidereal. His assertions that the Rashis are not sidereal would not change what

Vamana purana says about the rashis. The Vamana purana tells us which ar the

nakshatras in a particular Rashi.. Puranas have not talked about Sayana rashi

chakra. Jyotirved is shamelessly continuing your bluffs.

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> Regards,

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> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

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> --- On Tue, 12/1/09, Krishen <jyotirved wrote:

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> Krishen <jyotirved

> [WAVES-Vedic] Re: The Views of Patrizia

Norelli-Bachelet

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> Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 4:22 AM

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Dear friends,

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> Jai Shri Ram!

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> Shri Bhattacharjya has said, " No purana had ever said that the

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> Uttarayana day is the Makar Sankranti as the ancient rishis knew that

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> the Uttarayana shifts fron nakshatra to nakshatra (rashi to rashi) in

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> course of time. The Bhagavata Purana was recited before Parikshita in

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> the 31st century BCE and at that time Makar Sankranti was in the

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> Dakshinayana and any astronomer worth his salt qwill admit this.. I

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> mentioned that in my earlier mail and Jyotirved ignores that to his

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> convenience. Hope Ramji will not go on toleratingsuch bluffs after

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> bluffs. "

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> Just to refresh Shri Bhattacharjya' s memory, I am quoting just a few

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> excerpts from BVB6.doc so that the forum members can see it for

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> themsleves that the Puranas and also the sidhantas talk invariably of a

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> so called Sayana Rashichakra when they say that on the day of Mesha

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> Sankranti day is equal to night and so on.

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> Jai Shri Ram.

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> 5. Puranas: I have already quoted hundreds of proofs with

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> chapter and verse in my Panchangas and other articles. It is no use to

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> repeat them here again. Suffice to quote a few only from a couple of

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> Puranas. First the Vishnupurana: 2/8/28-31 and 67-68

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> ayanasyotarasyadav makaram yati bhaskarah

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> tatah kumbham cha menam cha rashe rashyantaram dvija

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> (28)

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> trishu eteshu atha bhukteshu tato vaishuvatim gatim

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> prayati savita kurvan ahoratram tatah samam

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> (29)

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> tato ratrih kshayam yati vardhate anudinam dinam

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> (30)

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> tatashcha mithunasyante param kashtham upagatah

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> rashim karkatam prapya kurute dakshinayanam

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> (31)

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> " In the beginning of Uttarayana, the sun enters

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> Capricorn (Makara Rashi) there from going to Kumbha and them Mina. After

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> having passed through these three signs, it just gains vishuvati

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> (equinoctial) speed resulting in the day and night being equal on Mesha.

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> After that, nights start decreasing and the days increasing

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> correspondingly daily. Then when the sun is in the end of Mithuna Rashi,

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> i.e. when it is just at the verge of entering Cancer, the day is the

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> longest then and Dakshnayana starts on that date " .

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> Sharad vsantyor Madhye vishuvam to vibhavyete

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> Tula mesh gate bhanav samratri divam tu tat

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> (67)

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> Karkatavasthite bhanav dakshiyanamuchete

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> Uttarayanam api uktam makarasthe divakare

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> (88)

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> " In the midst of sharat ritu and vasanta ritu, vishuvas (equinoxes)

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> take place with the entry of the sun into Tula (Libra) and Mesha (Aries)

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> respectively and days and nights become equal on those two sankrantis.

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> The entry of sun into Cancer (Karkata) is known as dakshinayana whereas

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> its entry into Maraka is known as Uttarayana "

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> Now Shrimadbhagavata, 5/21/4-6

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> yada mesh tulyor vartate tada ahoratrani samanani bhavanti yada

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> vrishadishu panchasu cha rashishu charati tada ahani eva vardhante

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> hrasati cha masi masi ekaika ghatika ratrishu (4) yada

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> vrishchikadishu panchasu vartate tada ahoratrani viparyayani bhavanti

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> (5) yavad dakshinayanam ahani vardhante yavad uttarayanam ratrayah

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> (6)

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> " When the sun enters Mesha and Tula days and nights are equal on

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> those dates and the day starts getting longer as compared to nights when

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> the sun passes through Vrisha etc. five rashis then days keep on

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> increasing and the nights decreasing by one ghati every month. (After

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> the day and night have become equal on Tula Sankranti) the nights keep

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> on increasing during the sojourn of five rashis of Vrishchika etc. In

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> short, during Uttarayana days keep on increasing till Dakshinayana and

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> after that nights keep on increasing " .

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> Vishnurhdarmotarapu rana 3/8/6-8 says

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> tula meshagate bhanav vishuvad dinam uchete,

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> dhanvato mithunantashcha ayane soasya dakshine,

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> " When the sun is in Mesha and Tula, they are the days of Vishuva

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> i.e. days and nights are equal then. From the end of Dhanu (start of

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> Makara) Uttarayana starts and from the end of Mithuna (start of Karkata)

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> Dakshniyana starts "

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> Any discussion on such topics is incomplete without appropriate

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> references from Shivamahapurana: We just quote one 5/51/54 from this

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> Purana below:

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> madhavasya site pakshe tritiya ya akshayabida

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> tasyam yo jagadambayah vratam kuryad atandritah…

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> " The tritiya of Shukla paksha of Madhava (!) is know as akshayaya

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> tritiya. One who observes a fast for Jagadamba on that date (gets

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> immortal and thousand fold results) "

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> It is to be noted here that Akshaya tritiya is to be

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> observed in (lunar) Madhava that means according to Shiva-Mahapurana

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> also Vaishakha does not have any other existence besides Madhava! Thus

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> the akshyaya tritiya that we observed in 2003 on May 4, was against all

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> the shastras since solar Madhava had ended on April 20 and lunar Madhava

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> on April 30! A similar situation is going to crop up in 2005. We will

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> be asked to celebrate Akshaya tritiya on May 12, when solar Madhava will

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> have ended on April 20 and lunar Madhava shukla paksha will start on

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> April 8, 2005 which means it should be celebrated actually on April 11,

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> 2005!

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> Now obviously, if as per all the Vedas, Vedanga Jyotisha, Surya

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> Sidhanta, Bhagavata, Vishnupurana, Vishnudharmotarapur ana and Shiva

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> Mahapurana etc. etc. solar Shravana is another name of Dakshinayana viz

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> sun in Karkata, it starts on June 21 in 2004. The first shukla pratipat

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> after that is on July 18. Therefore, that is the day when the Lunar

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> Shravana starts in 2004 as per all the Vedas and Puranas etc. As such,

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> Shravana Purnima viz Raksha Bandhan and Amarnath Yatra etc. should be

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> celebrated on July 31 in 2004. Why are our panchangakars asking us to

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> celebrate it on August 29 instead? Only because they treat the entire

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> Hindu society as ignorant fools who have no idea about the criteria of

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> any festivals! Or is it that the panchangakars do not know anything

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> themselves but are just copying from others like blind following blind?

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> End excerpt

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> ******* *********

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> , Sunil Bhattacharjya

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> <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

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> > Dear friends,

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> > Jyotirved gives another bluff when he says as follows "

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> > ///Â Â Surprisingly, all the Puranas and sidhantas (and not the

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> Vedas or the VJ!) call that very Uttarayana day as Makar Sankranti!Â

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> Â ///

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> > No purana had ever said that the Uttarayana day is the Makar

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> Sankranti as the ancient rishis knew that the Uttarayana shifts fron

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> nakshatra to nakshatra (rashi to rashi) in course of time. The Bhagavata

>

> Purana was recited before Parikshita in the 31st century BCE and at that

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> time Makar Sankranti was in the Dakshinayana and any astronomer

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> worth his salt qwill admit this.. I mentioned that in my earlier mail

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> and Jyotirved ignores that to his convenience. Hope Ramji will not go on

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> toleratingsuch bluffs after bluffs.

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> > Secondly since Jyotirved does not believe in Sidereal Makar

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> Sankranti he has no business to poke his long nose into the million

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> dollar question. Let the believers discuss such points and not

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> Jyotirved.

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> > Regards,

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> > Sunil K. Bhattachatrjya

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> > --- On Mon, 11/30/09, jyotirved jyotirved@ . wrote:

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> > jyotirved jyotirved@ .

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> > Re: [WAVES-Vedic] Re: The Views of Patrizia

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> > Cc: hinducalendar, " 'subash razdan' " subashrazdan@ ...,

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> vedic_research_ institute,

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> indiaarchaeology

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