Guest guest Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Wd like to let you know that there is an exclusive extended version of BPHS available, at least, a copy is available with Mr. R K Baqaya, Former Chief Income Tax Commissioner, West Bengal, He is no great admirer of Prof Rao and other biggies, Unlike them, he always did accurate predictions applying basics of Parashara, I never saw him using badhaka etc. in chart analysis , Vimshottari was jindabad for him. In the copy he got, chapters on results of vimshottari dasa for Grahas in cönjunction are available, He said that Raman family also got a copy of same version. Regards, Utkal , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Thanks:-) > To refresh is all it takes! > > Neelam > > > 2009/12/3 rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > > > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00351.htm > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 India is full of hidden " gems " ! , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi wrote: > > Wd like to let you know that there is an exclusive extended version of BPHS available, at least, a copy is available with Mr. R K Baqaya, Former Chief Income Tax Commissioner, West Bengal, He is no great admirer of Prof Rao and other biggies, Unlike them, he always did accurate predictions applying basics of Parashara, I never saw him using badhaka etc. in chart analysis , Vimshottari was jindabad for him. > > In the copy he got, chapters on results of vimshottari dasa for Grahas in cönjunction are available, He said that Raman family also got a copy of same version. > > Regards, > Utkal > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > Thanks:-) > > To refresh is all it takes! > > > > Neelam > > > > > > 2009/12/3 rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00351.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Agreed, BUT why NOT share them with others? Why this secrecy? If the great Sages had kept " their gems " hidden, where would we be today?  Regards,  -Manoj  ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Thu, December 3, 2009 11:05:43 AM Re: ENIGMA or CONFUSION ... BPHS  India is full of hidden " gems " ! , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > Wd like to let you know that there is an exclusive extended version of BPHS available, at least, a copy is available with Mr. R K Baqaya, Former Chief Income Tax Commissioner, West Bengal, He is no great admirer of Prof Rao and other biggies, Unlike them, he always did accurate predictions applying basics of Parashara, I never saw him using badhaka etc. in chart analysis , Vimshottari was jindabad for him. > > In the copy he got, chapters on results of vimshottari dasa for Grahas in cönjunction are available, He said that Raman family also got a copy of same version. > > Regards, > Utkal > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > Thanks:-) > > To refresh is all it takes! > > > > Neelam > > > > > > 2009/12/3 rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.boloji. com/astro/ 00351.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Would you not like to divulge more details of the BPHS which Mr. Baqaya is having, such as who are the publishers? I presume it is in English as as you said that the Raman family.is having a copy of it. Sometime ago someone wrote about a copy of BPHS by Harihara Bhattacharya. Are you aware of it? There must be some very old publication of BPHS in Bengali also. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Thu, 12/3/09, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi wrote: utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi Re: ENIGMA or CONFUSION ... BPHS Thursday, December 3, 2009, 5:04 AM  Wd like to let you know that there is an exclusive extended version of BPHS available, at least, a copy is available with Mr. R K Baqaya, Former Chief Income Tax Commissioner, West Bengal, He is no great admirer of Prof Rao and other biggies, Unlike them, he always did accurate predictions applying basics of Parashara, I never saw him using badhaka etc. in chart analysis , Vimshottari was jindabad for him. In the copy he got, chapters on results of vimshottari dasa for Grahas in cönjunction are available, He said that Raman family also got a copy of same version. Regards, Utkal , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > Thanks:-) > To refresh is all it takes! > > Neelam > > > 2009/12/3 rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > http://www.boloji. com/astro/ 00351.htm > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Hi Utkal, Is this an 'extended' version or simply the more complete versions in comparison with the other ones with 100 chapters which might be 'truncated' versions? I have personally not found much use for the ready-to-use phrases given in BPHS or nearly all other scriptural and more recent texts in Jyotish when they give results for planets and houses, several planets in certain houses, generic dasha and sub-dasa results etc. If you do not believe me, take a few charts and try to verify how much the readings given in the texts match with the actual experiences of the individuals. Some of the texts also give the readins for Rular of X in Y bhava type readings and even those -- which should be closer than effect of sun in fifth, sun in sixth type readings -- simply do not cut the mustard. Even if once in a while one may come upon a close hit! The reason is obvious and simple: None of these readings take into consideration the factors such as: Role of the planet in a given horoscope (L and Karakattwas [plural!] Expression and state of the planet Its linkages with other planets through a variety of channels (nakshatra, disposition, esoteric and secondary roles etc) The linkages with other vargas, other than kshetra alone and on and on and on ... I am sure this wonderful gentleman has integrated all the different factors into himself and is not just going by the look-up table approach. I personally think that Scriptural texts on Jyotish are best utilized for absorbing the fundamentals and then perhaps utilizing the 'readings' or interpretations given in those as launching point but very cautiously! Again, this is what I have observed and heard from many who have confided. I know I do not say the 'politically-correct' thing most of the times and little wonder that I do not get too many greeting cards at Holi, Deewali, Dushara, Christmas and Eid! :-) RR_, , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi wrote: > > Wd like to let you know that there is an exclusive extended version of BPHS available, at least, a copy is available with Mr. R K Baqaya, Former Chief Income Tax Commissioner, West Bengal, He is no great admirer of Prof Rao and other biggies, Unlike them, he always did accurate predictions applying basics of Parashara, I never saw him using badhaka etc. in chart analysis , Vimshottari was jindabad for him. > > In the copy he got, chapters on results of vimshottari dasa for Grahas in cönjunction are available, He said that Raman family also got a copy of same version. > > Regards, > Utkal > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > Thanks:-) > > To refresh is all it takes! > > > > Neelam > > > > > > 2009/12/3 rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00351.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Dear Manoj jee, Assumption: The Great Sages shared everything with us transparently Assumption: We possess/received all those transparent sharings The ongoing UHAPOHA regarding BPHS (I have been watching it for some forty + years now and it has just gotten more frequent and uglier simply because of Internet and its immediacy and profusion) and its several versions and NEW interpretations and reinterpretations of ancient lore by modern teachers make one fear about the verity of the above two assumptions! Varahamihira (Sage or not...!) enunciated the qualities and requirements for an oracle! A trikalagna, I believe! KN Rao has written about or hinted at the progression of a divinator along the lines of technique, logic and then higher. With great respect and admiration he referred to his MA who was his first teacher and described how She progressed on the path. Perhaps it is not simply something that can be conveyed and transferred through internet or wikipedia, as most science and scientific discipline can! One would have to still work hard and use a quality screen of course! And experiential reality! Charts, charts and charts! If one is to figure out the 'patterns' that can capture the ESSENCE that gets expressed through 6+ billion individuals, surely a few hundred charts or even a few thousands would not cut it! That is why we all remain acolytes of MA, until BABA decides to stop paying out tuition! RR_, , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Agreed, BUT why NOT share them with others? Why this secrecy? If the great Sages had kept " their gems " hidden, where would we be today? >  > Regards, >  -Manoj >  > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Thu, December 3, 2009 11:05:43 AM > Re: ENIGMA or CONFUSION ... BPHS > >  > India is full of hidden " gems " ! > > , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@ ....> wrote: > > > > Wd like to let you know that there is an exclusive extended version of BPHS available, at least, a copy is available with Mr. R K Baqaya, Former Chief Income Tax Commissioner, West Bengal, He is no great admirer of Prof Rao and other biggies, Unlike them, he always did accurate predictions applying basics of Parashara, I never saw him using badhaka etc. in chart analysis , Vimshottari was jindabad for him. > > > > In the copy he got, chapters on results of vimshottari dasa for Grahas in cönjunction are available, He said that Raman family also got a copy of same version. > > > > Regards, > > Utkal > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks:-) > > > To refresh is all it takes! > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/3 rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.boloji. com/astro/ 00351.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Rohini Ji and Members, I have managed to convey interest and expectation for the publication of copy of BPHS that is with Sri R. K Baqaya, to him, Hope he gets ready for it. In last talk on this matter, he expressed his unhappiness over behavior of jyotishis, he wanted them to show accountability as well as gravity, He used to condemn the greed of knowledge which results in compromising attitude of jyotishis. In another group, a guy of 35 - 36 yrs age, poses as omniscient, truth is he bought Hora Ratnam and few other books in my presence at Ranjan Publication, New Delhi around 2006-2007. As in the Hora Ratnam sages like - Lomash, Garga, Vasistha's verses are quoted, he started posting them projecting he has acquired great knowledge of Jyotish and what a pity to most people who pooped here showing their concern for BPHS, comfortably surrendered to his hypocrisy, He has a habbit of humilating BPHS, only one thing he and his conmen finds in BPHS is the high amount of interpolations. Jyotish and Satyagraha goes hand in hand, Jyotish is made to discover truth, and truth requires courage, with no integration to truth and with a compromising nature, that tolerates every damn thing shamelessly, people are best to remain far away from our heritage, First have respect and courage in your persona and then expect light of knowledge in life. The very next day, I joined AIA group, I found the imposter humilating Tulasidas and Ramcharit Manas without knowledge and study, The jyotishis who often recommends Sundar kand were unware of context and Chaupai of sundarkand that he made a point to humilate, what a pity, you recommend but you are ignorent of the content ???? Then Vedas came and then Jyotish came and then BPHS came, He has become a ruler of these faces and heads those who pop up showing concern and curiosity for BPHS in this group. I prefer shikhandi then bhishma, bhishma who comfortably watched draupadi's chirs haran for his compromising attitude, bhisma who fought for kaurava, keeps no value in my views, bhishma never found krishna to his side and died defeated waiting for death. Unless you have courage, respect and accountability to your heritage and vedic values, the " Jyoti " of " Jyotish " will remain away from you.... India is land of Jup and Mars, with prominent Rahu's approach, You have to remain in dark. regards, Utkal , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Hi Utkal, > > Is this an 'extended' version or simply the more complete versions in comparison with the other ones with 100 chapters which might be 'truncated' versions? > > I have personally not found much use for the ready-to-use phrases given in BPHS or nearly all other scriptural and more recent texts in Jyotish when they give results for planets and houses, several planets in certain houses, generic dasha and sub-dasa results etc. > > If you do not believe me, take a few charts and try to verify how much the readings given in the texts match with the actual experiences of the individuals. Some of the texts also give the readins for Rular of X in Y bhava type readings and even those -- which should be closer than effect of sun in fifth, sun in sixth type readings -- simply do not cut the mustard. Even if once in a while one may come upon a close hit! > > The reason is obvious and simple: None of these readings take into consideration the factors such as: > Role of the planet in a given horoscope (L and Karakattwas [plural!] > Expression and state of the planet > Its linkages with other planets through a variety of channels (nakshatra, disposition, esoteric and secondary roles etc) > The linkages with other vargas, other than kshetra alone > and on and on and on ... > > I am sure this wonderful gentleman has integrated all the different factors into himself and is not just going by the look-up table approach. > > I personally think that Scriptural texts on Jyotish are best utilized for absorbing the fundamentals and then perhaps utilizing the 'readings' or interpretations given in those as launching point but very cautiously! > > Again, this is what I have observed and heard from many who have confided. I know I do not say the 'politically-correct' thing most of the times and little wonder that I do not get too many greeting cards at Holi, Deewali, Dushara, Christmas and Eid! :-) > > RR_, > > , " utkal.panigrahi " utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > Wd like to let you know that there is an exclusive extended version of BPHS available, at least, a copy is available with Mr. R K Baqaya, Former Chief Income Tax Commissioner, West Bengal, He is no great admirer of Prof Rao and other biggies, Unlike them, he always did accurate predictions applying basics of Parashara, I never saw him using badhaka etc. in chart analysis , Vimshottari was jindabad for him. > > > > In the copy he got, chapters on results of vimshottari dasa for Grahas in cönjunction are available, He said that Raman family also got a copy of same version. > > > > Regards, > > Utkal > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks:-) > > > To refresh is all it takes! > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/3 rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00351.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Utkal_ji, I have followed jyotish for now more than forty years and the astrology/jyotish scene in cyberreality since early 80s, even before internet and jyotish fora became such hot potatoes! Over the year my personal impression has been that there are only a few individuals who are sincerely or passionately or even consistently interested in Jyotish! Most are interested only to the extent of it being a curiosity for them. Others are interested only in getting a reading and in some cases several readings. A large proportion of these reading seekers are people who begin looking for water after the fire is burning at full blaze! Sadly, there is no magic bullet that can readily reverse things once the wheel of karma begins to roll and roll over them disguised as destiny! The demographics has been changing too. In the earlier days many users and participants used to be people with computing backgrounds, or engineers etc -- and understandably so. As the computers became common in use and internet became accessible to a huge number of individuals from all walks of life, the diversity increased. I think it is safe to say that an extremely small number of participants (in general) are full time dedicated jyotishis. On the one hand it brings in an enriched nuance due to diverse backgrounds, different mind-sets and experiences (in life and not just in jyotish), but on the other hand, it reduces the time available to dedicate to jyotish (practice, study, research, promotion, etc). Some of us consider ourself fortunate and blessed that despite many competing priorities, we have been able to devote a lot of time, interest and energy to jyotish. And I hope what we have served to our guests has not just been a dish of rewarmed beans! :-) Rohiniranjan , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi wrote: > > > Rohini Ji and Members, > > I have managed to convey interest and expectation for the publication of > copy of BPHS that is with Sri R. K Baqaya, to him, Hope he gets ready > for it. > > In last talk on this matter, he expressed his unhappiness over behavior > of jyotishis, he wanted them to show accountability as well as gravity, > He used to condemn the greed of knowledge which results in compromising > attitude of jyotishis. > > In another group, a guy of 35 - 36 yrs age, poses as omniscient, truth > is he bought Hora Ratnam and few other books in my presence at Ranjan > Publication, New Delhi around 2006-2007. > > As in the Hora Ratnam sages like - Lomash, Garga, Vasistha's verses are > quoted, he started posting them projecting he has acquired great > knowledge of Jyotish and what a pity to most people who pooped here > showing their concern for BPHS, comfortably surrendered to his > hypocrisy, He has a habbit of humilating BPHS, only one thing he and his > conmen finds in BPHS is the high amount of interpolations. > > Jyotish and Satyagraha goes hand in hand, Jyotish is made to discover > truth, and truth requires courage, with no integration to truth and with > a compromising nature, that tolerates every damn thing shamelessly, > people are best to remain far away from our heritage, First have respect > and courage in your persona and then expect light of knowledge in life. > > The very next day, I joined AIA group, I found the imposter humilating > Tulasidas and Ramcharit Manas without knowledge and study, The jyotishis > who often recommends Sundar kand were unware of context and Chaupai of > sundarkand that he made a point to humilate, what a pity, you recommend > but you are ignorent of the content ???? > > Then Vedas came and then Jyotish came and then BPHS came, He has become > a ruler of these faces and heads those who pop up showing concern and > curiosity for BPHS in this group. > > I prefer shikhandi then bhishma, bhishma who comfortably watched > draupadi's chirs haran for his compromising attitude, bhisma who fought > for kaurava, keeps no value in my views, bhishma never found krishna to > his side and died defeated waiting for death. > > Unless you have courage, respect and accountability to your heritage and > vedic values, the " Jyoti " of " Jyotish " will remain away from you.... > > India is land of Jup and Mars, with prominent Rahu's approach, You have > to remain in dark. > > regards, > Utkal > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > wrote: > > > > Hi Utkal, > > > > Is this an 'extended' version or simply the more complete versions in > comparison with the other ones with 100 chapters which might be > 'truncated' versions? > > > > I have personally not found much use for the ready-to-use phrases > given in BPHS or nearly all other scriptural and more recent texts in > Jyotish when they give results for planets and houses, several planets > in certain houses, generic dasha and sub-dasa results etc. > > > > If you do not believe me, take a few charts and try to verify how much > the readings given in the texts match with the actual experiences of the > individuals. Some of the texts also give the readins for Rular of X in Y > bhava type readings and even those -- which should be closer than effect > of sun in fifth, sun in sixth type readings -- simply do not cut the > mustard. Even if once in a while one may come upon a close hit! > > > > The reason is obvious and simple: None of these readings take into > consideration the factors such as: > > Role of the planet in a given horoscope (L and Karakattwas [plural!] > > Expression and state of the planet > > Its linkages with other planets through a variety of channels > (nakshatra, disposition, esoteric and secondary roles etc) > > The linkages with other vargas, other than kshetra alone > > and on and on and on ... > > > > I am sure this wonderful gentleman has integrated all the different > factors into himself and is not just going by the look-up table > approach. > > > > I personally think that Scriptural texts on Jyotish are best utilized > for absorbing the fundamentals and then perhaps utilizing the 'readings' > or interpretations given in those as launching point but very > cautiously! > > > > Again, this is what I have observed and heard from many who have > confided. I know I do not say the 'politically-correct' thing most of > the times and little wonder that I do not get too many greeting cards at > Holi, Deewali, Dushara, Christmas and Eid! :-) > > > > RR_, > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > Wd like to let you know that there is an exclusive extended version > of BPHS available, at least, a copy is available with Mr. R K Baqaya, > Former Chief Income Tax Commissioner, West Bengal, He is no great > admirer of Prof Rao and other biggies, Unlike them, he always did > accurate predictions applying basics of Parashara, I never saw him using > badhaka etc. in chart analysis , Vimshottari was jindabad for him. > > > > > > In the copy he got, chapters on results of vimshottari dasa for > Grahas in cönjunction are available, He said that Raman family also > got a copy of same version. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Utkal > > > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks:-) > > > > To refresh is all it takes! > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/3 rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00351.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Rohini Ji, Me and i think most members are interesting in reading ur articles published in AM, as things are well organized with you, pls favor us. Regards, Utkal , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Utkal_ji, > > I have followed jyotish for now more than forty years and the astrology/jyotish scene in cyberreality since early 80s, even before internet and jyotish fora became such hot potatoes! Over the year my personal impression has been that there are only a few individuals who are sincerely or passionately or even consistently interested in Jyotish! Most are interested only to the extent of it being a curiosity for them. Others are interested only in getting a reading and in some cases several readings. A large proportion of these reading seekers are people who begin looking for water after the fire is burning at full blaze! Sadly, there is no magic bullet that can readily reverse things once the wheel of karma begins to roll and roll over them disguised as destiny! > > The demographics has been changing too. In the earlier days many users and participants used to be people with computing backgrounds, or engineers etc -- and understandably so. As the computers became common in use and internet became accessible to a huge number of individuals from all walks of life, the diversity increased. > > I think it is safe to say that an extremely small number of participants (in general) are full time dedicated jyotishis. On the one hand it brings in an enriched nuance due to diverse backgrounds, different mind-sets and experiences (in life and not just in jyotish), but on the other hand, it reduces the time available to dedicate to jyotish (practice, study, research, promotion, etc). Some of us consider ourself fortunate and blessed that despite many competing priorities, we have been able to devote a lot of time, interest and energy to jyotish. And I hope what we have served to our guests has not just been a dish of rewarmed beans! :-) > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@> wrote: > > > > > > Rohini Ji and Members, > > > > I have managed to convey interest and expectation for the publication of > > copy of BPHS that is with Sri R. K Baqaya, to him, Hope he gets ready > > for it. > > > > In last talk on this matter, he expressed his unhappiness over behavior > > of jyotishis, he wanted them to show accountability as well as gravity, > > He used to condemn the greed of knowledge which results in compromising > > attitude of jyotishis. > > > > In another group, a guy of 35 - 36 yrs age, poses as omniscient, truth > > is he bought Hora Ratnam and few other books in my presence at Ranjan > > Publication, New Delhi around 2006-2007. > > > > As in the Hora Ratnam sages like - Lomash, Garga, Vasistha's verses are > > quoted, he started posting them projecting he has acquired great > > knowledge of Jyotish and what a pity to most people who pooped here > > showing their concern for BPHS, comfortably surrendered to his > > hypocrisy, He has a habbit of humilating BPHS, only one thing he and his > > conmen finds in BPHS is the high amount of interpolations. > > > > Jyotish and Satyagraha goes hand in hand, Jyotish is made to discover > > truth, and truth requires courage, with no integration to truth and with > > a compromising nature, that tolerates every damn thing shamelessly, > > people are best to remain far away from our heritage, First have respect > > and courage in your persona and then expect light of knowledge in life. > > > > The very next day, I joined AIA group, I found the imposter humilating > > Tulasidas and Ramcharit Manas without knowledge and study, The jyotishis > > who often recommends Sundar kand were unware of context and Chaupai of > > sundarkand that he made a point to humilate, what a pity, you recommend > > but you are ignorent of the content ???? > > > > Then Vedas came and then Jyotish came and then BPHS came, He has become > > a ruler of these faces and heads those who pop up showing concern and > > curiosity for BPHS in this group. > > > > I prefer shikhandi then bhishma, bhishma who comfortably watched > > draupadi's chirs haran for his compromising attitude, bhisma who fought > > for kaurava, keeps no value in my views, bhishma never found krishna to > > his side and died defeated waiting for death. > > > > Unless you have courage, respect and accountability to your heritage and > > vedic values, the " Jyoti " of " Jyotish " will remain away from you.... > > > > India is land of Jup and Mars, with prominent Rahu's approach, You have > > to remain in dark. > > > > regards, > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Utkal, > > > > > > Is this an 'extended' version or simply the more complete versions in > > comparison with the other ones with 100 chapters which might be > > 'truncated' versions? > > > > > > I have personally not found much use for the ready-to-use phrases > > given in BPHS or nearly all other scriptural and more recent texts in > > Jyotish when they give results for planets and houses, several planets > > in certain houses, generic dasha and sub-dasa results etc. > > > > > > If you do not believe me, take a few charts and try to verify how much > > the readings given in the texts match with the actual experiences of the > > individuals. Some of the texts also give the readins for Rular of X in Y > > bhava type readings and even those -- which should be closer than effect > > of sun in fifth, sun in sixth type readings -- simply do not cut the > > mustard. Even if once in a while one may come upon a close hit! > > > > > > The reason is obvious and simple: None of these readings take into > > consideration the factors such as: > > > Role of the planet in a given horoscope (L and Karakattwas [plural!] > > > Expression and state of the planet > > > Its linkages with other planets through a variety of channels > > (nakshatra, disposition, esoteric and secondary roles etc) > > > The linkages with other vargas, other than kshetra alone > > > and on and on and on ... > > > > > > I am sure this wonderful gentleman has integrated all the different > > factors into himself and is not just going by the look-up table > > approach. > > > > > > I personally think that Scriptural texts on Jyotish are best utilized > > for absorbing the fundamentals and then perhaps utilizing the 'readings' > > or interpretations given in those as launching point but very > > cautiously! > > > > > > Again, this is what I have observed and heard from many who have > > confided. I know I do not say the 'politically-correct' thing most of > > the times and little wonder that I do not get too many greeting cards at > > Holi, Deewali, Dushara, Christmas and Eid! :-) > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Wd like to let you know that there is an exclusive extended version > > of BPHS available, at least, a copy is available with Mr. R K Baqaya, > > Former Chief Income Tax Commissioner, West Bengal, He is no great > > admirer of Prof Rao and other biggies, Unlike them, he always did > > accurate predictions applying basics of Parashara, I never saw him using > > badhaka etc. in chart analysis , Vimshottari was jindabad for him. > > > > > > > > In the copy he got, chapters on results of vimshottari dasa for > > Grahas in cönjunction are available, He said that Raman family also > > got a copy of same version. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks:-) > > > > > To refresh is all it takes! > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/3 rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00351.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Dear Rohini ji, frankly speaking i understand your posts to others but not to me .For ex i understand this one to utkal ji and the one to Neelam ji aswell. //Over the year my personal impression has been that there are only a few individuals who are sincerely or passionately or even consistently interested in Jyotish!// yes you are right for sure. //I think it is safe to say that an extremely small number of participants (in general) are full time dedicated jyotishis. On the one hand it brings in an enriched nuance due to diverse backgrounds, different mind-sets and experiences (in life and not just in jyotish), but on the other hand, it reduces the time available to dedicate to jyotish (practice, study, research, promotion, etc). Some of us consider ourself fortunate and blessed that despite many competing priorities, we have been able to devote a lot of time, interest and energy to jyotish. And I hope what we have served to our guests has not just been a dish of rewarmed beans! :-)// yes.I agree with you.This one answers itself your question to me in your previous post( to me) than my own answer!!! Warm regards, gopi. , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Utkal_ji, > > I have followed jyotish for now more than forty years and the astrology/jyotish scene in cyberreality since early 80s, even before internet and jyotish fora became such hot potatoes! Over the year my personal impression has been that there are only a few individuals who are sincerely or passionately or even consistently interested in Jyotish! Most are interested only to the extent of it being a curiosity for them. Others are interested only in getting a reading and in some cases several readings. A large proportion of these reading seekers are people who begin looking for water after the fire is burning at full blaze! Sadly, there is no magic bullet that can readily reverse things once the wheel of karma begins to roll and roll over them disguised as destiny! > > The demographics has been changing too. In the earlier days many users and participants used to be people with computing backgrounds, or engineers etc -- and understandably so. As the computers became common in use and internet became accessible to a huge number of individuals from all walks of life, the diversity increased. > > I think it is safe to say that an extremely small number of participants (in general) are full time dedicated jyotishis. On the one hand it brings in an enriched nuance due to diverse backgrounds, different mind-sets and experiences (in life and not just in jyotish), but on the other hand, it reduces the time available to dedicate to jyotish (practice, study, research, promotion, etc). Some of us consider ourself fortunate and blessed that despite many competing priorities, we have been able to devote a lot of time, interest and energy to jyotish. And I hope what we have served to our guests has not just been a dish of rewarmed beans! :-) > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > Rohini Ji and Members, > > > > I have managed to convey interest and expectation for the publication of > > copy of BPHS that is with Sri R. K Baqaya, to him, Hope he gets ready > > for it. > > > > In last talk on this matter, he expressed his unhappiness over behavior > > of jyotishis, he wanted them to show accountability as well as gravity, > > He used to condemn the greed of knowledge which results in compromising > > attitude of jyotishis. > > > > In another group, a guy of 35 - 36 yrs age, poses as omniscient, truth > > is he bought Hora Ratnam and few other books in my presence at Ranjan > > Publication, New Delhi around 2006-2007. > > > > As in the Hora Ratnam sages like - Lomash, Garga, Vasistha's verses are > > quoted, he started posting them projecting he has acquired great > > knowledge of Jyotish and what a pity to most people who pooped here > > showing their concern for BPHS, comfortably surrendered to his > > hypocrisy, He has a habbit of humilating BPHS, only one thing he and his > > conmen finds in BPHS is the high amount of interpolations. > > > > Jyotish and Satyagraha goes hand in hand, Jyotish is made to discover > > truth, and truth requires courage, with no integration to truth and with > > a compromising nature, that tolerates every damn thing shamelessly, > > people are best to remain far away from our heritage, First have respect > > and courage in your persona and then expect light of knowledge in life. > > > > The very next day, I joined AIA group, I found the imposter humilating > > Tulasidas and Ramcharit Manas without knowledge and study, The jyotishis > > who often recommends Sundar kand were unware of context and Chaupai of > > sundarkand that he made a point to humilate, what a pity, you recommend > > but you are ignorent of the content ???? > > > > Then Vedas came and then Jyotish came and then BPHS came, He has become > > a ruler of these faces and heads those who pop up showing concern and > > curiosity for BPHS in this group. > > > > I prefer shikhandi then bhishma, bhishma who comfortably watched > > draupadi's chirs haran for his compromising attitude, bhisma who fought > > for kaurava, keeps no value in my views, bhishma never found krishna to > > his side and died defeated waiting for death. > > > > Unless you have courage, respect and accountability to your heritage and > > vedic values, the " Jyoti " of " Jyotish " will remain away from you.... > > > > India is land of Jup and Mars, with prominent Rahu's approach, You have > > to remain in dark. > > > > regards, > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Utkal, > > > > > > Is this an 'extended' version or simply the more complete versions in > > comparison with the other ones with 100 chapters which might be > > 'truncated' versions? > > > > > > I have personally not found much use for the ready-to-use phrases > > given in BPHS or nearly all other scriptural and more recent texts in > > Jyotish when they give results for planets and houses, several planets > > in certain houses, generic dasha and sub-dasa results etc. > > > > > > If you do not believe me, take a few charts and try to verify how much > > the readings given in the texts match with the actual experiences of the > > individuals. Some of the texts also give the readins for Rular of X in Y > > bhava type readings and even those -- which should be closer than effect > > of sun in fifth, sun in sixth type readings -- simply do not cut the > > mustard. Even if once in a while one may come upon a close hit! > > > > > > The reason is obvious and simple: None of these readings take into > > consideration the factors such as: > > > Role of the planet in a given horoscope (L and Karakattwas [plural!] > > > Expression and state of the planet > > > Its linkages with other planets through a variety of channels > > (nakshatra, disposition, esoteric and secondary roles etc) > > > The linkages with other vargas, other than kshetra alone > > > and on and on and on ... > > > > > > I am sure this wonderful gentleman has integrated all the different > > factors into himself and is not just going by the look-up table > > approach. > > > > > > I personally think that Scriptural texts on Jyotish are best utilized > > for absorbing the fundamentals and then perhaps utilizing the 'readings' > > or interpretations given in those as launching point but very > > cautiously! > > > > > > Again, this is what I have observed and heard from many who have > > confided. I know I do not say the 'politically-correct' thing most of > > the times and little wonder that I do not get too many greeting cards at > > Holi, Deewali, Dushara, Christmas and Eid! :-) > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Wd like to let you know that there is an exclusive extended version > > of BPHS available, at least, a copy is available with Mr. R K Baqaya, > > Former Chief Income Tax Commissioner, West Bengal, He is no great > > admirer of Prof Rao and other biggies, Unlike them, he always did > > accurate predictions applying basics of Parashara, I never saw him using > > badhaka etc. in chart analysis , Vimshottari was jindabad for him. > > > > > > > > In the copy he got, chapters on results of vimshottari dasa for > > Grahas in cönjunction are available, He said that Raman family also > > got a copy of same version. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks:-) > > > > > To refresh is all it takes! > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/3 rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00351.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Dear Utkal, Several computers ago, I had kept a bibliography of articles written by me in astrology (now, please don't call me egotistical or narcissistic!!) in BV Raman Saheb's A.M., then recently when it was edited by Gayatri Devi jee. In addition to articles published in several western astrological magazines (on Jyotish) and more recently Express Starteller Magazine on a variety of topics and a series on Dasha Nirnaya. I will look for the list one of these days (have changed several computers and many operating systems since it was first created using Sinclair BASIC/ZX81 or CBM BASIC OS/C64 perhaps) update it and send you the list. I would rather not post it in public domain because the magazines had copyrights and I do not wish to spend time in finding the publishers and editors and get their permission etc. With the list, when ready, interested parties can approach the publications and purchase the old copies if those exist. Many of the articles in earlier draft versions may have been included in my primers available from homestead for free downloading. Some articles where permission was received, appear on boloji. Incidentally, the Dasa series, thanks to the kind permission of Express Starteller Magazine will become available on the web over the next little while. Not sure if that helps quench your Jigyaasa a bit. RR_, , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi wrote: > > Rohini Ji, > > Me and i think most members are interesting in reading ur articles published in AM, as things are well organized with you, pls favor us. > > Regards, > Utkal > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Utkal_ji, > > > > I have followed jyotish for now more than forty years and the astrology/jyotish scene in cyberreality since early 80s, even before internet and jyotish fora became such hot potatoes! Over the year my personal impression has been that there are only a few individuals who are sincerely or passionately or even consistently interested in Jyotish! Most are interested only to the extent of it being a curiosity for them. Others are interested only in getting a reading and in some cases several readings. A large proportion of these reading seekers are people who begin looking for water after the fire is burning at full blaze! Sadly, there is no magic bullet that can readily reverse things once the wheel of karma begins to roll and roll over them disguised as destiny! > > > > The demographics has been changing too. In the earlier days many users and participants used to be people with computing backgrounds, or engineers etc -- and understandably so. As the computers became common in use and internet became accessible to a huge number of individuals from all walks of life, the diversity increased. > > > > I think it is safe to say that an extremely small number of participants (in general) are full time dedicated jyotishis. On the one hand it brings in an enriched nuance due to diverse backgrounds, different mind-sets and experiences (in life and not just in jyotish), but on the other hand, it reduces the time available to dedicate to jyotish (practice, study, research, promotion, etc). Some of us consider ourself fortunate and blessed that despite many competing priorities, we have been able to devote a lot of time, interest and energy to jyotish. And I hope what we have served to our guests has not just been a dish of rewarmed beans! :-) > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Rohini Ji and Members, > > > > > > I have managed to convey interest and expectation for the publication of > > > copy of BPHS that is with Sri R. K Baqaya, to him, Hope he gets ready > > > for it. > > > > > > In last talk on this matter, he expressed his unhappiness over behavior > > > of jyotishis, he wanted them to show accountability as well as gravity, > > > He used to condemn the greed of knowledge which results in compromising > > > attitude of jyotishis. > > > > > > In another group, a guy of 35 - 36 yrs age, poses as omniscient, truth > > > is he bought Hora Ratnam and few other books in my presence at Ranjan > > > Publication, New Delhi around 2006-2007. > > > > > > As in the Hora Ratnam sages like - Lomash, Garga, Vasistha's verses are > > > quoted, he started posting them projecting he has acquired great > > > knowledge of Jyotish and what a pity to most people who pooped here > > > showing their concern for BPHS, comfortably surrendered to his > > > hypocrisy, He has a habbit of humilating BPHS, only one thing he and his > > > conmen finds in BPHS is the high amount of interpolations. > > > > > > Jyotish and Satyagraha goes hand in hand, Jyotish is made to discover > > > truth, and truth requires courage, with no integration to truth and with > > > a compromising nature, that tolerates every damn thing shamelessly, > > > people are best to remain far away from our heritage, First have respect > > > and courage in your persona and then expect light of knowledge in life. > > > > > > The very next day, I joined AIA group, I found the imposter humilating > > > Tulasidas and Ramcharit Manas without knowledge and study, The jyotishis > > > who often recommends Sundar kand were unware of context and Chaupai of > > > sundarkand that he made a point to humilate, what a pity, you recommend > > > but you are ignorent of the content ???? > > > > > > Then Vedas came and then Jyotish came and then BPHS came, He has become > > > a ruler of these faces and heads those who pop up showing concern and > > > curiosity for BPHS in this group. > > > > > > I prefer shikhandi then bhishma, bhishma who comfortably watched > > > draupadi's chirs haran for his compromising attitude, bhisma who fought > > > for kaurava, keeps no value in my views, bhishma never found krishna to > > > his side and died defeated waiting for death. > > > > > > Unless you have courage, respect and accountability to your heritage and > > > vedic values, the " Jyoti " of " Jyotish " will remain away from you.... > > > > > > India is land of Jup and Mars, with prominent Rahu's approach, You have > > > to remain in dark. > > > > > > regards, > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Utkal, > > > > > > > > Is this an 'extended' version or simply the more complete versions in > > > comparison with the other ones with 100 chapters which might be > > > 'truncated' versions? > > > > > > > > I have personally not found much use for the ready-to-use phrases > > > given in BPHS or nearly all other scriptural and more recent texts in > > > Jyotish when they give results for planets and houses, several planets > > > in certain houses, generic dasha and sub-dasa results etc. > > > > > > > > If you do not believe me, take a few charts and try to verify how much > > > the readings given in the texts match with the actual experiences of the > > > individuals. Some of the texts also give the readins for Rular of X in Y > > > bhava type readings and even those -- which should be closer than effect > > > of sun in fifth, sun in sixth type readings -- simply do not cut the > > > mustard. Even if once in a while one may come upon a close hit! > > > > > > > > The reason is obvious and simple: None of these readings take into > > > consideration the factors such as: > > > > Role of the planet in a given horoscope (L and Karakattwas [plural!] > > > > Expression and state of the planet > > > > Its linkages with other planets through a variety of channels > > > (nakshatra, disposition, esoteric and secondary roles etc) > > > > The linkages with other vargas, other than kshetra alone > > > > and on and on and on ... > > > > > > > > I am sure this wonderful gentleman has integrated all the different > > > factors into himself and is not just going by the look-up table > > > approach. > > > > > > > > I personally think that Scriptural texts on Jyotish are best utilized > > > for absorbing the fundamentals and then perhaps utilizing the 'readings' > > > or interpretations given in those as launching point but very > > > cautiously! > > > > > > > > Again, this is what I have observed and heard from many who have > > > confided. I know I do not say the 'politically-correct' thing most of > > > the times and little wonder that I do not get too many greeting cards at > > > Holi, Deewali, Dushara, Christmas and Eid! :-) > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Wd like to let you know that there is an exclusive extended version > > > of BPHS available, at least, a copy is available with Mr. R K Baqaya, > > > Former Chief Income Tax Commissioner, West Bengal, He is no great > > > admirer of Prof Rao and other biggies, Unlike them, he always did > > > accurate predictions applying basics of Parashara, I never saw him using > > > badhaka etc. in chart analysis , Vimshottari was jindabad for him. > > > > > > > > > > In the copy he got, chapters on results of vimshottari dasa for > > > Grahas in cönjunction are available, He said that Raman family also > > > got a copy of same version. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks:-) > > > > > > To refresh is all it takes! > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/3 rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00351.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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