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Wd like to let you know that there is an exclusive extended version of BPHS

available, at least, a copy is available with Mr. R K Baqaya, Former Chief

Income Tax Commissioner, West Bengal, He is no great admirer of Prof Rao and

other biggies, Unlike them, he always did accurate predictions applying basics

of Parashara, I never saw him using badhaka etc. in chart analysis , Vimshottari

was jindabad for him.

 

In the copy he got, chapters on results of vimshottari dasa for Grahas in

cönjunction are available, He said that Raman family also got a copy of same

version.

 

Regards,

Utkal

 

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> Neelam

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> 2009/12/3 rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

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India is full of hidden " gems " !

 

, " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi

wrote:

>

> Wd like to let you know that there is an exclusive extended version of BPHS

available, at least, a copy is available with Mr. R K Baqaya, Former Chief

Income Tax Commissioner, West Bengal, He is no great admirer of Prof Rao and

other biggies, Unlike them, he always did accurate predictions applying basics

of Parashara, I never saw him using badhaka etc. in chart analysis , Vimshottari

was jindabad for him.

>

> In the copy he got, chapters on results of vimshottari dasa for Grahas in

cönjunction are available, He said that Raman family also got a copy of same

version.

>

> Regards,

> Utkal

>

> , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks:-)

> > To refresh is all it takes!

> >

> > Neelam

> >

> >

> > 2009/12/3 rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00351.htm

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Agreed, BUT why NOT share them with others? Why this secrecy? If the great

Sages had kept " their gems " hidden, where would we be today?

 

Regards,

 -Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

 

Thu, December 3, 2009 11:05:43 AM

Re: ENIGMA or CONFUSION ... BPHS

 

 

India is full of hidden " gems " !

 

, " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Wd like to let you know that there is an exclusive extended version of BPHS

available, at least, a copy is available with Mr. R K Baqaya, Former Chief

Income Tax Commissioner, West Bengal, He is no great admirer of Prof Rao and

other biggies, Unlike them, he always did accurate predictions applying basics

of Parashara, I never saw him using badhaka etc. in chart analysis , Vimshottari

was jindabad for him.

>

> In the copy he got, chapters on results of vimshottari dasa for Grahas in

cönjunction are available, He said that Raman family also got a copy of same

version.

>

> Regards,

> Utkal

>

> , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> >

> > Thanks:-)

> > To refresh is all it takes!

> >

> > Neelam

> >

> >

> > 2009/12/3 rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > http://www.boloji. com/astro/ 00351.htm

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Would you not like to divulge more details of the BPHS which Mr. Baqaya is

having, such as who are the publishers? I presume it is in English as as you

said that the Raman family.is having a copy of it. Sometime ago someone wrote

about a copy of BPHS by Harihara Bhattacharya. Are you aware of it? There must

be some very old publication of BPHS in Bengali also.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

 

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi wrote:

 

utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi

Re: ENIGMA or CONFUSION ... BPHS

 

Thursday, December 3, 2009, 5:04 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wd like to let you know that there is an exclusive extended version of

BPHS available, at least, a copy is available with Mr. R K Baqaya, Former Chief

Income Tax Commissioner, West Bengal, He is no great admirer of Prof Rao and

other biggies, Unlike them, he always did accurate predictions applying basics

of Parashara, I never saw him using badhaka etc. in chart analysis , Vimshottari

was jindabad for him.

 

 

 

In the copy he got, chapters on results of vimshottari dasa for Grahas in

cönjunction are available, He said that Raman family also got a copy of same

version.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

Utkal

 

 

 

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> Thanks:-)

 

> To refresh is all it takes!

 

>

 

> Neelam

 

>

 

>

 

> 2009/12/3 rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

 

>

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > http://www.boloji. com/astro/ 00351.htm

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

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Hi Utkal,

 

Is this an 'extended' version or simply the more complete versions in comparison

with the other ones with 100 chapters which might be 'truncated' versions?

 

I have personally not found much use for the ready-to-use phrases given in BPHS

or nearly all other scriptural and more recent texts in Jyotish when they give

results for planets and houses, several planets in certain houses, generic dasha

and sub-dasa results etc.

 

If you do not believe me, take a few charts and try to verify how much the

readings given in the texts match with the actual experiences of the

individuals. Some of the texts also give the readins for Rular of X in Y bhava

type readings and even those -- which should be closer than effect of sun in

fifth, sun in sixth type readings -- simply do not cut the mustard. Even if once

in a while one may come upon a close hit!

 

The reason is obvious and simple: None of these readings take into consideration

the factors such as:

Role of the planet in a given horoscope (L and Karakattwas [plural!]

Expression and state of the planet

Its linkages with other planets through a variety of channels (nakshatra,

disposition, esoteric and secondary roles etc)

The linkages with other vargas, other than kshetra alone

and on and on and on ...

 

I am sure this wonderful gentleman has integrated all the different factors into

himself and is not just going by the look-up table approach.

 

I personally think that Scriptural texts on Jyotish are best utilized for

absorbing the fundamentals and then perhaps utilizing the 'readings' or

interpretations given in those as launching point but very cautiously!

 

Again, this is what I have observed and heard from many who have confided. I

know I do not say the 'politically-correct' thing most of the times and little

wonder that I do not get too many greeting cards at Holi, Deewali, Dushara,

Christmas and Eid! :-)

 

RR_,

 

, " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi

wrote:

>

> Wd like to let you know that there is an exclusive extended version of BPHS

available, at least, a copy is available with Mr. R K Baqaya, Former Chief

Income Tax Commissioner, West Bengal, He is no great admirer of Prof Rao and

other biggies, Unlike them, he always did accurate predictions applying basics

of Parashara, I never saw him using badhaka etc. in chart analysis , Vimshottari

was jindabad for him.

>

> In the copy he got, chapters on results of vimshottari dasa for Grahas in

cönjunction are available, He said that Raman family also got a copy of same

version.

>

> Regards,

> Utkal

>

> , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks:-)

> > To refresh is all it takes!

> >

> > Neelam

> >

> >

> > 2009/12/3 rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00351.htm

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Manoj jee,

 

Assumption: The Great Sages shared everything with us transparently

Assumption: We possess/received all those transparent sharings

 

The ongoing UHAPOHA regarding BPHS (I have been watching it for some forty +

years now and it has just gotten more frequent and uglier simply because of

Internet and its immediacy and profusion) and its several versions and NEW

interpretations and reinterpretations of ancient lore by modern teachers make

one fear about the verity of the above two assumptions!

 

Varahamihira (Sage or not...!) enunciated the qualities and requirements for an

oracle! A trikalagna, I believe!

 

KN Rao has written about or hinted at the progression of a divinator along the

lines of technique, logic and then higher. With great respect and admiration he

referred to his MA who was his first teacher and described how She progressed on

the path.

 

Perhaps it is not simply something that can be conveyed and transferred through

internet or wikipedia, as most science and scientific discipline can! One would

have to still work hard and use a quality screen of course!

 

And experiential reality! Charts, charts and charts! If one is to figure out the

'patterns' that can capture the ESSENCE that gets expressed through 6+ billion

individuals, surely a few hundred charts or even a few thousands would not cut

it!

 

That is why we all remain acolytes of MA, until BABA decides to stop paying out

tuition!

 

RR_,

 

 

 

, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Agreed, BUT why NOT share them with others? Why this secrecy? If the great

Sages had kept " their gems " hidden, where would we be today?

>  

> Regards,

>  -Manoj

>  

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

>

> Thu, December 3, 2009 11:05:43 AM

> Re: ENIGMA or CONFUSION ... BPHS

>

>  

> India is full of hidden " gems " !

>

> , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Wd like to let you know that there is an exclusive extended version of BPHS

available, at least, a copy is available with Mr. R K Baqaya, Former Chief

Income Tax Commissioner, West Bengal, He is no great admirer of Prof Rao and

other biggies, Unlike them, he always did accurate predictions applying basics

of Parashara, I never saw him using badhaka etc. in chart analysis , Vimshottari

was jindabad for him.

> >

> > In the copy he got, chapters on results of vimshottari dasa for Grahas in

cönjunction are available, He said that Raman family also got a copy of same

version.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Utkal

> >

> > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks:-)

> > > To refresh is all it takes!

> > >

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

> > > 2009/12/3 rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > http://www.boloji. com/astro/ 00351.htm

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Rohini Ji and Members,

 

I have managed to convey interest and expectation for the publication of

copy of BPHS that is with Sri R. K Baqaya, to him, Hope he gets ready

for it.

 

In last talk on this matter, he expressed his unhappiness over behavior

of jyotishis, he wanted them to show accountability as well as gravity,

He used to condemn the greed of knowledge which results in compromising

attitude of jyotishis.

 

In another group, a guy of 35 - 36 yrs age, poses as omniscient, truth

is he bought Hora Ratnam and few other books in my presence at Ranjan

Publication, New Delhi around 2006-2007.

 

As in the Hora Ratnam sages like - Lomash, Garga, Vasistha's verses are

quoted, he started posting them projecting he has acquired great

knowledge of Jyotish and what a pity to most people who pooped here

showing their concern for BPHS, comfortably surrendered to his

hypocrisy, He has a habbit of humilating BPHS, only one thing he and his

conmen finds in BPHS is the high amount of interpolations.

 

Jyotish and Satyagraha goes hand in hand, Jyotish is made to discover

truth, and truth requires courage, with no integration to truth and with

a compromising nature, that tolerates every damn thing shamelessly,

people are best to remain far away from our heritage, First have respect

and courage in your persona and then expect light of knowledge in life.

 

The very next day, I joined AIA group, I found the imposter humilating

Tulasidas and Ramcharit Manas without knowledge and study, The jyotishis

who often recommends Sundar kand were unware of context and Chaupai of

sundarkand that he made a point to humilate, what a pity, you recommend

but you are ignorent of the content ????

 

Then Vedas came and then Jyotish came and then BPHS came, He has become

a ruler of these faces and heads those who pop up showing concern and

curiosity for BPHS in this group.

 

I prefer shikhandi then bhishma, bhishma who comfortably watched

draupadi's chirs haran for his compromising attitude, bhisma who fought

for kaurava, keeps no value in my views, bhishma never found krishna to

his side and died defeated waiting for death.

 

Unless you have courage, respect and accountability to your heritage and

vedic values, the " Jyoti " of " Jyotish " will remain away from you....

 

India is land of Jup and Mars, with prominent Rahu's approach, You have

to remain in dark.

 

regards,

Utkal

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Hi Utkal,

>

> Is this an 'extended' version or simply the more complete versions in

comparison with the other ones with 100 chapters which might be

'truncated' versions?

>

> I have personally not found much use for the ready-to-use phrases

given in BPHS or nearly all other scriptural and more recent texts in

Jyotish when they give results for planets and houses, several planets

in certain houses, generic dasha and sub-dasa results etc.

>

> If you do not believe me, take a few charts and try to verify how much

the readings given in the texts match with the actual experiences of the

individuals. Some of the texts also give the readins for Rular of X in Y

bhava type readings and even those -- which should be closer than effect

of sun in fifth, sun in sixth type readings -- simply do not cut the

mustard. Even if once in a while one may come upon a close hit!

>

> The reason is obvious and simple: None of these readings take into

consideration the factors such as:

> Role of the planet in a given horoscope (L and Karakattwas [plural!]

> Expression and state of the planet

> Its linkages with other planets through a variety of channels

(nakshatra, disposition, esoteric and secondary roles etc)

> The linkages with other vargas, other than kshetra alone

> and on and on and on ...

>

> I am sure this wonderful gentleman has integrated all the different

factors into himself and is not just going by the look-up table

approach.

>

> I personally think that Scriptural texts on Jyotish are best utilized

for absorbing the fundamentals and then perhaps utilizing the 'readings'

or interpretations given in those as launching point but very

cautiously!

>

> Again, this is what I have observed and heard from many who have

confided. I know I do not say the 'politically-correct' thing most of

the times and little wonder that I do not get too many greeting cards at

Holi, Deewali, Dushara, Christmas and Eid! :-)

>

> RR_,

>

> , " utkal.panigrahi "

utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> >

> > Wd like to let you know that there is an exclusive extended version

of BPHS available, at least, a copy is available with Mr. R K Baqaya,

Former Chief Income Tax Commissioner, West Bengal, He is no great

admirer of Prof Rao and other biggies, Unlike them, he always did

accurate predictions applying basics of Parashara, I never saw him using

badhaka etc. in chart analysis , Vimshottari was jindabad for him.

> >

> > In the copy he got, chapters on results of vimshottari dasa for

Grahas in cönjunction are available, He said that Raman family also

got a copy of same version.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Utkal

> >

> > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks:-)

> > > To refresh is all it takes!

> > >

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

> > > 2009/12/3 rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00351.htm

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Utkal_ji,

 

I have followed jyotish for now more than forty years and the astrology/jyotish

scene in cyberreality since early 80s, even before internet and jyotish fora

became such hot potatoes! Over the year my personal impression has been that

there are only a few individuals who are sincerely or passionately or even

consistently interested in Jyotish! Most are interested only to the extent of it

being a curiosity for them. Others are interested only in getting a reading and

in some cases several readings. A large proportion of these reading seekers are

people who begin looking for water after the fire is burning at full blaze!

Sadly, there is no magic bullet that can readily reverse things once the wheel

of karma begins to roll and roll over them disguised as destiny!

 

The demographics has been changing too. In the earlier days many users and

participants used to be people with computing backgrounds, or engineers etc --

and understandably so. As the computers became common in use and internet became

accessible to a huge number of individuals from all walks of life, the diversity

increased.

 

I think it is safe to say that an extremely small number of participants (in

general) are full time dedicated jyotishis. On the one hand it brings in an

enriched nuance due to diverse backgrounds, different mind-sets and experiences

(in life and not just in jyotish), but on the other hand, it reduces the time

available to dedicate to jyotish (practice, study, research, promotion, etc).

Some of us consider ourself fortunate and blessed that despite many competing

priorities, we have been able to devote a lot of time, interest and energy to

jyotish. And I hope what we have served to our guests has not just been a dish

of rewarmed beans! :-)

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

, " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi

wrote:

>

>

> Rohini Ji and Members,

>

> I have managed to convey interest and expectation for the publication of

> copy of BPHS that is with Sri R. K Baqaya, to him, Hope he gets ready

> for it.

>

> In last talk on this matter, he expressed his unhappiness over behavior

> of jyotishis, he wanted them to show accountability as well as gravity,

> He used to condemn the greed of knowledge which results in compromising

> attitude of jyotishis.

>

> In another group, a guy of 35 - 36 yrs age, poses as omniscient, truth

> is he bought Hora Ratnam and few other books in my presence at Ranjan

> Publication, New Delhi around 2006-2007.

>

> As in the Hora Ratnam sages like - Lomash, Garga, Vasistha's verses are

> quoted, he started posting them projecting he has acquired great

> knowledge of Jyotish and what a pity to most people who pooped here

> showing their concern for BPHS, comfortably surrendered to his

> hypocrisy, He has a habbit of humilating BPHS, only one thing he and his

> conmen finds in BPHS is the high amount of interpolations.

>

> Jyotish and Satyagraha goes hand in hand, Jyotish is made to discover

> truth, and truth requires courage, with no integration to truth and with

> a compromising nature, that tolerates every damn thing shamelessly,

> people are best to remain far away from our heritage, First have respect

> and courage in your persona and then expect light of knowledge in life.

>

> The very next day, I joined AIA group, I found the imposter humilating

> Tulasidas and Ramcharit Manas without knowledge and study, The jyotishis

> who often recommends Sundar kand were unware of context and Chaupai of

> sundarkand that he made a point to humilate, what a pity, you recommend

> but you are ignorent of the content ????

>

> Then Vedas came and then Jyotish came and then BPHS came, He has become

> a ruler of these faces and heads those who pop up showing concern and

> curiosity for BPHS in this group.

>

> I prefer shikhandi then bhishma, bhishma who comfortably watched

> draupadi's chirs haran for his compromising attitude, bhisma who fought

> for kaurava, keeps no value in my views, bhishma never found krishna to

> his side and died defeated waiting for death.

>

> Unless you have courage, respect and accountability to your heritage and

> vedic values, the " Jyoti " of " Jyotish " will remain away from you....

>

> India is land of Jup and Mars, with prominent Rahu's approach, You have

> to remain in dark.

>

> regards,

> Utkal

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Utkal,

> >

> > Is this an 'extended' version or simply the more complete versions in

> comparison with the other ones with 100 chapters which might be

> 'truncated' versions?

> >

> > I have personally not found much use for the ready-to-use phrases

> given in BPHS or nearly all other scriptural and more recent texts in

> Jyotish when they give results for planets and houses, several planets

> in certain houses, generic dasha and sub-dasa results etc.

> >

> > If you do not believe me, take a few charts and try to verify how much

> the readings given in the texts match with the actual experiences of the

> individuals. Some of the texts also give the readins for Rular of X in Y

> bhava type readings and even those -- which should be closer than effect

> of sun in fifth, sun in sixth type readings -- simply do not cut the

> mustard. Even if once in a while one may come upon a close hit!

> >

> > The reason is obvious and simple: None of these readings take into

> consideration the factors such as:

> > Role of the planet in a given horoscope (L and Karakattwas [plural!]

> > Expression and state of the planet

> > Its linkages with other planets through a variety of channels

> (nakshatra, disposition, esoteric and secondary roles etc)

> > The linkages with other vargas, other than kshetra alone

> > and on and on and on ...

> >

> > I am sure this wonderful gentleman has integrated all the different

> factors into himself and is not just going by the look-up table

> approach.

> >

> > I personally think that Scriptural texts on Jyotish are best utilized

> for absorbing the fundamentals and then perhaps utilizing the 'readings'

> or interpretations given in those as launching point but very

> cautiously!

> >

> > Again, this is what I have observed and heard from many who have

> confided. I know I do not say the 'politically-correct' thing most of

> the times and little wonder that I do not get too many greeting cards at

> Holi, Deewali, Dushara, Christmas and Eid! :-)

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Wd like to let you know that there is an exclusive extended version

> of BPHS available, at least, a copy is available with Mr. R K Baqaya,

> Former Chief Income Tax Commissioner, West Bengal, He is no great

> admirer of Prof Rao and other biggies, Unlike them, he always did

> accurate predictions applying basics of Parashara, I never saw him using

> badhaka etc. in chart analysis , Vimshottari was jindabad for him.

> > >

> > > In the copy he got, chapters on results of vimshottari dasa for

> Grahas in cönjunction are available, He said that Raman family also

> got a copy of same version.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Utkal

> > >

> > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks:-)

> > > > To refresh is all it takes!

> > > >

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2009/12/3 rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00351.htm

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Rohini Ji,

 

Me and i think most members are interesting in reading ur articles published in

AM, as things are well organized with you, pls favor us.

 

Regards,

Utkal

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Utkal_ji,

>

> I have followed jyotish for now more than forty years and the

astrology/jyotish scene in cyberreality since early 80s, even before internet

and jyotish fora became such hot potatoes! Over the year my personal impression

has been that there are only a few individuals who are sincerely or passionately

or even consistently interested in Jyotish! Most are interested only to the

extent of it being a curiosity for them. Others are interested only in getting a

reading and in some cases several readings. A large proportion of these reading

seekers are people who begin looking for water after the fire is burning at full

blaze! Sadly, there is no magic bullet that can readily reverse things once the

wheel of karma begins to roll and roll over them disguised as destiny!

>

> The demographics has been changing too. In the earlier days many users and

participants used to be people with computing backgrounds, or engineers etc --

and understandably so. As the computers became common in use and internet became

accessible to a huge number of individuals from all walks of life, the diversity

increased.

>

> I think it is safe to say that an extremely small number of participants (in

general) are full time dedicated jyotishis. On the one hand it brings in an

enriched nuance due to diverse backgrounds, different mind-sets and experiences

(in life and not just in jyotish), but on the other hand, it reduces the time

available to dedicate to jyotish (practice, study, research, promotion, etc).

Some of us consider ourself fortunate and blessed that despite many competing

priorities, we have been able to devote a lot of time, interest and energy to

jyotish. And I hope what we have served to our guests has not just been a dish

of rewarmed beans! :-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

> , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > Rohini Ji and Members,

> >

> > I have managed to convey interest and expectation for the publication of

> > copy of BPHS that is with Sri R. K Baqaya, to him, Hope he gets ready

> > for it.

> >

> > In last talk on this matter, he expressed his unhappiness over behavior

> > of jyotishis, he wanted them to show accountability as well as gravity,

> > He used to condemn the greed of knowledge which results in compromising

> > attitude of jyotishis.

> >

> > In another group, a guy of 35 - 36 yrs age, poses as omniscient, truth

> > is he bought Hora Ratnam and few other books in my presence at Ranjan

> > Publication, New Delhi around 2006-2007.

> >

> > As in the Hora Ratnam sages like - Lomash, Garga, Vasistha's verses are

> > quoted, he started posting them projecting he has acquired great

> > knowledge of Jyotish and what a pity to most people who pooped here

> > showing their concern for BPHS, comfortably surrendered to his

> > hypocrisy, He has a habbit of humilating BPHS, only one thing he and his

> > conmen finds in BPHS is the high amount of interpolations.

> >

> > Jyotish and Satyagraha goes hand in hand, Jyotish is made to discover

> > truth, and truth requires courage, with no integration to truth and with

> > a compromising nature, that tolerates every damn thing shamelessly,

> > people are best to remain far away from our heritage, First have respect

> > and courage in your persona and then expect light of knowledge in life.

> >

> > The very next day, I joined AIA group, I found the imposter humilating

> > Tulasidas and Ramcharit Manas without knowledge and study, The jyotishis

> > who often recommends Sundar kand were unware of context and Chaupai of

> > sundarkand that he made a point to humilate, what a pity, you recommend

> > but you are ignorent of the content ????

> >

> > Then Vedas came and then Jyotish came and then BPHS came, He has become

> > a ruler of these faces and heads those who pop up showing concern and

> > curiosity for BPHS in this group.

> >

> > I prefer shikhandi then bhishma, bhishma who comfortably watched

> > draupadi's chirs haran for his compromising attitude, bhisma who fought

> > for kaurava, keeps no value in my views, bhishma never found krishna to

> > his side and died defeated waiting for death.

> >

> > Unless you have courage, respect and accountability to your heritage and

> > vedic values, the " Jyoti " of " Jyotish " will remain away from you....

> >

> > India is land of Jup and Mars, with prominent Rahu's approach, You have

> > to remain in dark.

> >

> > regards,

> > Utkal

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Utkal,

> > >

> > > Is this an 'extended' version or simply the more complete versions in

> > comparison with the other ones with 100 chapters which might be

> > 'truncated' versions?

> > >

> > > I have personally not found much use for the ready-to-use phrases

> > given in BPHS or nearly all other scriptural and more recent texts in

> > Jyotish when they give results for planets and houses, several planets

> > in certain houses, generic dasha and sub-dasa results etc.

> > >

> > > If you do not believe me, take a few charts and try to verify how much

> > the readings given in the texts match with the actual experiences of the

> > individuals. Some of the texts also give the readins for Rular of X in Y

> > bhava type readings and even those -- which should be closer than effect

> > of sun in fifth, sun in sixth type readings -- simply do not cut the

> > mustard. Even if once in a while one may come upon a close hit!

> > >

> > > The reason is obvious and simple: None of these readings take into

> > consideration the factors such as:

> > > Role of the planet in a given horoscope (L and Karakattwas [plural!]

> > > Expression and state of the planet

> > > Its linkages with other planets through a variety of channels

> > (nakshatra, disposition, esoteric and secondary roles etc)

> > > The linkages with other vargas, other than kshetra alone

> > > and on and on and on ...

> > >

> > > I am sure this wonderful gentleman has integrated all the different

> > factors into himself and is not just going by the look-up table

> > approach.

> > >

> > > I personally think that Scriptural texts on Jyotish are best utilized

> > for absorbing the fundamentals and then perhaps utilizing the 'readings'

> > or interpretations given in those as launching point but very

> > cautiously!

> > >

> > > Again, this is what I have observed and heard from many who have

> > confided. I know I do not say the 'politically-correct' thing most of

> > the times and little wonder that I do not get too many greeting cards at

> > Holi, Deewali, Dushara, Christmas and Eid! :-)

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Wd like to let you know that there is an exclusive extended version

> > of BPHS available, at least, a copy is available with Mr. R K Baqaya,

> > Former Chief Income Tax Commissioner, West Bengal, He is no great

> > admirer of Prof Rao and other biggies, Unlike them, he always did

> > accurate predictions applying basics of Parashara, I never saw him using

> > badhaka etc. in chart analysis , Vimshottari was jindabad for him.

> > > >

> > > > In the copy he got, chapters on results of vimshottari dasa for

> > Grahas in cönjunction are available, He said that Raman family also

> > got a copy of same version.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Utkal

> > > >

> > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks:-)

> > > > > To refresh is all it takes!

> > > > >

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2009/12/3 rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00351.htm

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Dear Rohini ji,

frankly speaking i understand your posts to others but not to me .For ex

i understand this one to utkal ji and the one to Neelam ji aswell.

//Over the year my personal impression has been that there are only a

few individuals who are sincerely or passionately or even consistently

interested in Jyotish!//

yes you are right for sure.

//I think it is safe to say that an extremely small number of

participants (in general) are full time dedicated jyotishis. On the one

hand it brings in an enriched nuance due to diverse backgrounds,

different mind-sets and experiences (in life and not just in jyotish),

but on the other hand, it reduces the time available to dedicate to

jyotish (practice, study, research, promotion, etc). Some of us consider

ourself fortunate and blessed that despite many competing priorities, we

have been able to devote a lot of time, interest and energy to jyotish.

And I hope what we have served to our guests has not just been a dish of

rewarmed beans! :-)//

yes.I agree with you.This one answers itself your question to me in your

previous post( to me) than my own answer!!!

Warm regards,

gopi.

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Utkal_ji,

>

> I have followed jyotish for now more than forty years and the

astrology/jyotish scene in cyberreality since early 80s, even before

internet and jyotish fora became such hot potatoes! Over the year my

personal impression has been that there are only a few individuals who

are sincerely or passionately or even consistently interested in

Jyotish! Most are interested only to the extent of it being a curiosity

for them. Others are interested only in getting a reading and in some

cases several readings. A large proportion of these reading seekers are

people who begin looking for water after the fire is burning at full

blaze! Sadly, there is no magic bullet that can readily reverse things

once the wheel of karma begins to roll and roll over them disguised as

destiny!

>

> The demographics has been changing too. In the earlier days many users

and participants used to be people with computing backgrounds, or

engineers etc -- and understandably so. As the computers became common

in use and internet became accessible to a huge number of individuals

from all walks of life, the diversity increased.

>

> I think it is safe to say that an extremely small number of

participants (in general) are full time dedicated jyotishis. On the one

hand it brings in an enriched nuance due to diverse backgrounds,

different mind-sets and experiences (in life and not just in jyotish),

but on the other hand, it reduces the time available to dedicate to

jyotish (practice, study, research, promotion, etc). Some of us consider

ourself fortunate and blessed that despite many competing priorities, we

have been able to devote a lot of time, interest and energy to jyotish.

And I hope what we have served to our guests has not just been a dish of

rewarmed beans! :-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

> , " utkal.panigrahi "

utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Rohini Ji and Members,

> >

> > I have managed to convey interest and expectation for the

publication of

> > copy of BPHS that is with Sri R. K Baqaya, to him, Hope he gets

ready

> > for it.

> >

> > In last talk on this matter, he expressed his unhappiness over

behavior

> > of jyotishis, he wanted them to show accountability as well as

gravity,

> > He used to condemn the greed of knowledge which results in

compromising

> > attitude of jyotishis.

> >

> > In another group, a guy of 35 - 36 yrs age, poses as omniscient,

truth

> > is he bought Hora Ratnam and few other books in my presence at

Ranjan

> > Publication, New Delhi around 2006-2007.

> >

> > As in the Hora Ratnam sages like - Lomash, Garga, Vasistha's verses

are

> > quoted, he started posting them projecting he has acquired great

> > knowledge of Jyotish and what a pity to most people who pooped here

> > showing their concern for BPHS, comfortably surrendered to his

> > hypocrisy, He has a habbit of humilating BPHS, only one thing he and

his

> > conmen finds in BPHS is the high amount of interpolations.

> >

> > Jyotish and Satyagraha goes hand in hand, Jyotish is made to

discover

> > truth, and truth requires courage, with no integration to truth and

with

> > a compromising nature, that tolerates every damn thing shamelessly,

> > people are best to remain far away from our heritage, First have

respect

> > and courage in your persona and then expect light of knowledge in

life.

> >

> > The very next day, I joined AIA group, I found the imposter

humilating

> > Tulasidas and Ramcharit Manas without knowledge and study, The

jyotishis

> > who often recommends Sundar kand were unware of context and Chaupai

of

> > sundarkand that he made a point to humilate, what a pity, you

recommend

> > but you are ignorent of the content ????

> >

> > Then Vedas came and then Jyotish came and then BPHS came, He has

become

> > a ruler of these faces and heads those who pop up showing concern

and

> > curiosity for BPHS in this group.

> >

> > I prefer shikhandi then bhishma, bhishma who comfortably watched

> > draupadi's chirs haran for his compromising attitude, bhisma who

fought

> > for kaurava, keeps no value in my views, bhishma never found krishna

to

> > his side and died defeated waiting for death.

> >

> > Unless you have courage, respect and accountability to your heritage

and

> > vedic values, the " Jyoti " of " Jyotish " will remain away from you....

> >

> > India is land of Jup and Mars, with prominent Rahu's approach, You

have

> > to remain in dark.

> >

> > regards,

> > Utkal

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Utkal,

> > >

> > > Is this an 'extended' version or simply the more complete versions

in

> > comparison with the other ones with 100 chapters which might be

> > 'truncated' versions?

> > >

> > > I have personally not found much use for the ready-to-use phrases

> > given in BPHS or nearly all other scriptural and more recent texts

in

> > Jyotish when they give results for planets and houses, several

planets

> > in certain houses, generic dasha and sub-dasa results etc.

> > >

> > > If you do not believe me, take a few charts and try to verify how

much

> > the readings given in the texts match with the actual experiences of

the

> > individuals. Some of the texts also give the readins for Rular of X

in Y

> > bhava type readings and even those -- which should be closer than

effect

> > of sun in fifth, sun in sixth type readings -- simply do not cut the

> > mustard. Even if once in a while one may come upon a close hit!

> > >

> > > The reason is obvious and simple: None of these readings take into

> > consideration the factors such as:

> > > Role of the planet in a given horoscope (L and Karakattwas

[plural!]

> > > Expression and state of the planet

> > > Its linkages with other planets through a variety of channels

> > (nakshatra, disposition, esoteric and secondary roles etc)

> > > The linkages with other vargas, other than kshetra alone

> > > and on and on and on ...

> > >

> > > I am sure this wonderful gentleman has integrated all the

different

> > factors into himself and is not just going by the look-up table

> > approach.

> > >

> > > I personally think that Scriptural texts on Jyotish are best

utilized

> > for absorbing the fundamentals and then perhaps utilizing the

'readings'

> > or interpretations given in those as launching point but very

> > cautiously!

> > >

> > > Again, this is what I have observed and heard from many who have

> > confided. I know I do not say the 'politically-correct' thing most

of

> > the times and little wonder that I do not get too many greeting

cards at

> > Holi, Deewali, Dushara, Christmas and Eid! :-)

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Wd like to let you know that there is an exclusive extended

version

> > of BPHS available, at least, a copy is available with Mr. R K

Baqaya,

> > Former Chief Income Tax Commissioner, West Bengal, He is no great

> > admirer of Prof Rao and other biggies, Unlike them, he always did

> > accurate predictions applying basics of Parashara, I never saw him

using

> > badhaka etc. in chart analysis , Vimshottari was jindabad for him.

> > > >

> > > > In the copy he got, chapters on results of vimshottari dasa for

> > Grahas in cönjunction are available, He said that Raman family

also

> > got a copy of same version.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Utkal

> > > >

> > > > , neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks:-)

> > > > > To refresh is all it takes!

> > > > >

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2009/12/3 rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00351.htm

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Dear Utkal,

 

Several computers ago, I had kept a bibliography of articles written by me in

astrology (now, please don't call me egotistical or narcissistic!!) in BV Raman

Saheb's A.M., then recently when it was edited by Gayatri Devi jee. In addition

to articles published in several western astrological magazines (on Jyotish) and

more recently Express Starteller Magazine on a variety of topics and a series on

Dasha Nirnaya. I will look for the list one of these days (have changed several

computers and many operating systems since it was first created using Sinclair

BASIC/ZX81 or CBM BASIC OS/C64 perhaps) update it and send you the list. I would

rather not post it in public domain because the magazines had copyrights and I

do not wish to spend time in finding the publishers and editors and get their

permission etc. With the list, when ready, interested parties can approach the

publications and purchase the old copies if those exist. Many of the articles in

earlier draft versions may have been included in my primers available from

homestead for free downloading. Some articles where permission was received,

appear on boloji. Incidentally, the Dasa series, thanks to the kind permission

of Express Starteller Magazine will become available on the web over the next

little while.

 

Not sure if that helps quench your Jigyaasa a bit.

 

RR_,

 

, " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi

wrote:

>

> Rohini Ji,

>

> Me and i think most members are interesting in reading ur articles published

in AM, as things are well organized with you, pls favor us.

>

> Regards,

> Utkal

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Utkal_ji,

> >

> > I have followed jyotish for now more than forty years and the

astrology/jyotish scene in cyberreality since early 80s, even before internet

and jyotish fora became such hot potatoes! Over the year my personal impression

has been that there are only a few individuals who are sincerely or passionately

or even consistently interested in Jyotish! Most are interested only to the

extent of it being a curiosity for them. Others are interested only in getting a

reading and in some cases several readings. A large proportion of these reading

seekers are people who begin looking for water after the fire is burning at full

blaze! Sadly, there is no magic bullet that can readily reverse things once the

wheel of karma begins to roll and roll over them disguised as destiny!

> >

> > The demographics has been changing too. In the earlier days many users and

participants used to be people with computing backgrounds, or engineers etc --

and understandably so. As the computers became common in use and internet became

accessible to a huge number of individuals from all walks of life, the diversity

increased.

> >

> > I think it is safe to say that an extremely small number of participants (in

general) are full time dedicated jyotishis. On the one hand it brings in an

enriched nuance due to diverse backgrounds, different mind-sets and experiences

(in life and not just in jyotish), but on the other hand, it reduces the time

available to dedicate to jyotish (practice, study, research, promotion, etc).

Some of us consider ourself fortunate and blessed that despite many competing

priorities, we have been able to devote a lot of time, interest and energy to

jyotish. And I hope what we have served to our guests has not just been a dish

of rewarmed beans! :-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> >

> > , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@>

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Rohini Ji and Members,

> > >

> > > I have managed to convey interest and expectation for the publication of

> > > copy of BPHS that is with Sri R. K Baqaya, to him, Hope he gets ready

> > > for it.

> > >

> > > In last talk on this matter, he expressed his unhappiness over behavior

> > > of jyotishis, he wanted them to show accountability as well as gravity,

> > > He used to condemn the greed of knowledge which results in compromising

> > > attitude of jyotishis.

> > >

> > > In another group, a guy of 35 - 36 yrs age, poses as omniscient, truth

> > > is he bought Hora Ratnam and few other books in my presence at Ranjan

> > > Publication, New Delhi around 2006-2007.

> > >

> > > As in the Hora Ratnam sages like - Lomash, Garga, Vasistha's verses are

> > > quoted, he started posting them projecting he has acquired great

> > > knowledge of Jyotish and what a pity to most people who pooped here

> > > showing their concern for BPHS, comfortably surrendered to his

> > > hypocrisy, He has a habbit of humilating BPHS, only one thing he and his

> > > conmen finds in BPHS is the high amount of interpolations.

> > >

> > > Jyotish and Satyagraha goes hand in hand, Jyotish is made to discover

> > > truth, and truth requires courage, with no integration to truth and with

> > > a compromising nature, that tolerates every damn thing shamelessly,

> > > people are best to remain far away from our heritage, First have respect

> > > and courage in your persona and then expect light of knowledge in life.

> > >

> > > The very next day, I joined AIA group, I found the imposter humilating

> > > Tulasidas and Ramcharit Manas without knowledge and study, The jyotishis

> > > who often recommends Sundar kand were unware of context and Chaupai of

> > > sundarkand that he made a point to humilate, what a pity, you recommend

> > > but you are ignorent of the content ????

> > >

> > > Then Vedas came and then Jyotish came and then BPHS came, He has become

> > > a ruler of these faces and heads those who pop up showing concern and

> > > curiosity for BPHS in this group.

> > >

> > > I prefer shikhandi then bhishma, bhishma who comfortably watched

> > > draupadi's chirs haran for his compromising attitude, bhisma who fought

> > > for kaurava, keeps no value in my views, bhishma never found krishna to

> > > his side and died defeated waiting for death.

> > >

> > > Unless you have courage, respect and accountability to your heritage and

> > > vedic values, the " Jyoti " of " Jyotish " will remain away from you....

> > >

> > > India is land of Jup and Mars, with prominent Rahu's approach, You have

> > > to remain in dark.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Utkal

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi Utkal,

> > > >

> > > > Is this an 'extended' version or simply the more complete versions in

> > > comparison with the other ones with 100 chapters which might be

> > > 'truncated' versions?

> > > >

> > > > I have personally not found much use for the ready-to-use phrases

> > > given in BPHS or nearly all other scriptural and more recent texts in

> > > Jyotish when they give results for planets and houses, several planets

> > > in certain houses, generic dasha and sub-dasa results etc.

> > > >

> > > > If you do not believe me, take a few charts and try to verify how much

> > > the readings given in the texts match with the actual experiences of the

> > > individuals. Some of the texts also give the readins for Rular of X in Y

> > > bhava type readings and even those -- which should be closer than effect

> > > of sun in fifth, sun in sixth type readings -- simply do not cut the

> > > mustard. Even if once in a while one may come upon a close hit!

> > > >

> > > > The reason is obvious and simple: None of these readings take into

> > > consideration the factors such as:

> > > > Role of the planet in a given horoscope (L and Karakattwas [plural!]

> > > > Expression and state of the planet

> > > > Its linkages with other planets through a variety of channels

> > > (nakshatra, disposition, esoteric and secondary roles etc)

> > > > The linkages with other vargas, other than kshetra alone

> > > > and on and on and on ...

> > > >

> > > > I am sure this wonderful gentleman has integrated all the different

> > > factors into himself and is not just going by the look-up table

> > > approach.

> > > >

> > > > I personally think that Scriptural texts on Jyotish are best utilized

> > > for absorbing the fundamentals and then perhaps utilizing the 'readings'

> > > or interpretations given in those as launching point but very

> > > cautiously!

> > > >

> > > > Again, this is what I have observed and heard from many who have

> > > confided. I know I do not say the 'politically-correct' thing most of

> > > the times and little wonder that I do not get too many greeting cards at

> > > Holi, Deewali, Dushara, Christmas and Eid! :-)

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Wd like to let you know that there is an exclusive extended version

> > > of BPHS available, at least, a copy is available with Mr. R K Baqaya,

> > > Former Chief Income Tax Commissioner, West Bengal, He is no great

> > > admirer of Prof Rao and other biggies, Unlike them, he always did

> > > accurate predictions applying basics of Parashara, I never saw him using

> > > badhaka etc. in chart analysis , Vimshottari was jindabad for him.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the copy he got, chapters on results of vimshottari dasa for

> > > Grahas in cönjunction are available, He said that Raman family also

> > > got a copy of same version.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Utkal

> > > > >

> > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks:-)

> > > > > > To refresh is all it takes!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2009/12/3 rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00351.htm

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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