Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 parvasudhar2065 , " hari " <harimalla wrote: Dear Shri Darshaneylokeshji, <Plz Let me know, the things you are interested in coordinating and the common point of coordination.> The things that are to be coordinated is sayan sankranti and nirayan sankranti with the help of purnima tithi.All this is to be done without changing our traditional system of jyotish and dharma shastra.If you read Bharatiya jyotish of Shankar BK Dixit where there is discussion of shifting one month time when calendar is to be reformed, you will know aboout what is to be coordinated.it is coordinating the ideas of two stalwarts of the 19th century. Since people of these two camps were very good and learned people,it becomes much more easier to decide how to coordinate and what to coordinate. since you are after the truth please study the above pages.thanks, Hari Malla HinduCalendar , darshaney lokesh <darshaneylokesh@> wrote: > > Shri hari Malla ji, >     Namestey. >     Since, myself interested in truth and truth alone I’d like to clarify a few things to you, >  > 1-True panchanga can never be either sayan or nirayan or both or neither. Actually a panchanga (hence forth called as tithi patrak, it being more appropriate nomenclature) has nothing to do with Ayanamsha (what so ever it’s value may be) resulting from precession of equinoxes, as against common thinking. >        2-You have been talking a lot of about coordinative approach. For coordination we must have at least two  things which needs to be coordinated having at least one point in common at which the things are to be coordinated. Plz Let me know, the things you are interested in coordinating and the common point of coordination. > 3-  Your logic regarding oldness of a custom is also not valid since this  is the argument on wich Gaililio was trailed. At so may phases this argument has harmed the humanity very much. That is the reason that  Kalidas had to say,â€Puranmittev na saadhu sarvam. .†An old custom, just because of its oldness, ca not be carried forward at least after getting known of its correctness.The same has been done for quite a few old customs. We have touched one of those. > 4-The word “lunar season†in itself is a misnomer as “vandhya putra†( son of a vandhya lady). The word “lunar season†has got zero meaning. I hope you understand the meaning of meaning. > 5-Truth is alone; there can not be two ways to choose from. Truth is not a matter of choice. It is as such “tat twam asiâ€. When we choose, we choose either the most suitable or the least objectionable. Truth is neither that which is most suitable nor that which is most objectionable. > 6-Definitely working together saves time. I request you to have a look of Shri Mohan Krity Aarsh Tithi Patrak. We too are looking forward for your cooperation if you come with your self amended form for which you require to follow some important   following points.. > 7- I have put my mathematical explaination before all erudites. You have not touched that but still talking ‘nirayana’, ‘sayana’ due to your ‘nirayan attachments (Moh)’ and ‘sayana hate (vair)’as is evident from your statement,â€Since you are also a man interested in the truth, may I request you to let people know of the alternate method to reform our calendar by the coordinative system, where the panchanga remains nirayan as it is the old custome“. Therefore, so far these two words are fetched in to the  brain   you may not be free from such ‘raag-dwesh’. You do not know that basing ‘ayanamsha’ right from 0 to 360 degrees will give relative measures only. E.g. Kathmandumay be at the distance of 10,100,500,1000 or any more Kms but from where? That ‘where’ talks of your ayanamsha. For true idea of it’s location, you will have to talk interms of Latitude and Longitudes. In this way zodical measurements are needed to be > given on the basis of ‘Shar’ and ‘bhogamsha’ and initial ‘shar and bhogamshas’ are zero/zero. This ‘zero’ is free from the bases of your raag and dwesh. Ok? It is that raag and dwesh only due to which your replies are always- 1> Haste written and 2> Not proper since you do not even read the mail completely. > 8 †" See your advise (what type of advise is this that  looks like an order?),â€I am advising him to give another alternative to the public and quote the availability of the nirayana method too.†Sorry dear friend, I have calculated and framed the correct vedic calendar which is the outcome of my longest devotion of years together. It is not the mere matter of,†Since you are also a man interested in the. . .†but devotion of years together This language of your’s is very cheaper way for under rating my ‘total devotion’. If you do not amend yourself then I will have to amend myself by neglecting your mails. I am sure, By this way, we would save at least our time from being wasted. >  > 9- You have been talking a lot about the Sun being in Dhanishta at Uttarayan/Makar samkranti during VJ period. In his latest mail Shri Bhattacharya has also put some valid arguments. Can you please clearify if VJ people were able to Sun and Dhanishta simultaneously? Generally we can not see any star, other than the Sunwhile Sun is in the sky.If otherwise, then what is the meaning of Sun at Uttarayan/Makarsamkranti in Dhanishta.Is it that Dhanishta was rising in east during the said samkranti or is it that Dhanishta was at Mid-haeaven in the night of that event? What else? >      Hari ji, Nakshtras ar primarily related to moon and its’ orbital path and hence seen and recorded in relation to moon alone. Sun’s relation to nakshtrais depicted with the rising of stars at evening or early morning after tropical event like Vasant Sampat etc e.g. Margsheersh name of the star  signifies its’ importance. The star is supposed to be the sheers (i.e. head or the starting point )of the path of the Sun arrounf Earthwas the star rising in east after VE during early vedic period. This position was changed to Kritika, Rohini and Asvini in course of time. Presently the star is Uttarabhadrapad.Ultimately, I feel unless you will not understand delinks between rashis and nakshtras, it will remain very difficult for you to get rid of from your ‘Dhanishta riddle.      > 10- And now a humble  request to every member of Hindu Calendar Group that the Arsh Tithi Patrak that I have produced is (from my side) a ‘correct’ one and very sincerely managed with my limited knowledge and guidance available to me. However,  it is not yet a ‘complete’ one. There are certain things in my mind which I am not going to disclose at this immature stage. Knowledgeable members  may please take it confiremed that any of the suggestion coming from them ( including Sunil K Bhattacharya ji)  will be sincerely attended to. If I found them correct I will certainly manage those suggestions. Please be with me learnedly but igolessly. > Thanks. Aum Sham! >  > Acharya Darshaney Lokesh > Editor, Shri Mohan Krity Aarsh Tithi Patrak >  > hari <harimalla@> > HinduCalendar > Thu, 12 November, 20095:08:38 PM > [HinduCalendar] Re: MeshadI & Tuladi > > Dear shri Darshaneylokesh ji, > Since you are also a man interested in the truth, may I request you to let people know of the alternate method to reform our calendar by the coordinative system, where the panchanga remains nirayan as it is the old custome. Let them know both the sayan method you are advocating and also the method I am trying to propagate. This will save our common time frame for reform, if we cooperate with each other in this way, so that the Hindus of India will get a chance to choose from the two methods. Thanks, > Regards, > Hari Malla >  > HinduCalendar, darshaney lokesh <darshaneylokesh@ ....> wrote: > > >  Respected Kaul ji, > > Namastey. > > >I received today your post with cuttings from Amar Ujala and Dainik Jagran ..There appears to be a steady uneasy feeling in the minds of general public that they are really celebrating their festivals on worng days. I am sure it will gather momentum and ultimately, " satyam eva jayate nanrtiam " > > * Of course! As ‘Sarthee of the Satya’ (Satyya ke saarthee ke roop men) dedicated for doing that. The enclosed cuttings have been sent to more than 200 astrologers and panchanga makers since those  were giving nice coverage of the Chandausi Sammelan of Akhil Bhartiya Panchang Sudhar Samiti, > > >Regarding the post " Meshadi & Tuladi " , I think it is the one that I am copying below from Hinducalendar forum. Pl. let me know. > >*Definitely, it is the same. > > It is to also let you know that the famous and quite relevant MATTHAADESH of Samvat 1929 is being reproduced in the SMKATP -2067 along with  three foot notes asking to the present param poojya shree that- > >  1. The said MATTHAADESH is still standing or cancelled? > >  2. If yes, then let us know the draft matter of the cancellation of the  MATTHAADESH. > >  3. If not, then how the Panchangas are being observed and how the Festivals are being observed by the loyal devotees of the respected MATH. > >  It is also brought in the notice of all concerning learned members of this group  that Sri Mohan Krity Arsh Tithi Patrak -2066, 2067 have been sent to almost all the MATHS through the Patrone, Shri Rahimal Prasad Tivari, Akhil Bhartiya Panchang Sudhar Samiti and following to that, Poojya Shankaracharya ji of Kanchipuram had called on me to his Ashram.. The invitation was  replied back asking for clear agenda of the meeting. Further reply from his holiness is awaited. I hope members will appreceiate and encourage my action. > > This is in reply to an another mail received from you. > > Thanks. Aum Sham. > > Darshaney Lokesh, Genl Secretary, > > Akhil Bhartiya Panchang Sudhar Samiti, > > Primary School level Geography: Let us see the situation in the light of modern astronomy/geography . Initially, I was myself peeved as to why the ayana and vishuva (Makara, Mesha, Karkata and Tula) sankrantis had been praised to the skies by our Rishis, so much so that they say that it is difficult even for yogis to catch the actual moment of such sankrantis and any charities or fasts on such occasions yield thousand-fold results! > > Let me explain it in a manner that is as non-technical as possible: > > We know that the earth hurtles around the sun at about 30 kilometers per second. (2) It also rotates on its axis, causing days and nights (3) The equator is " precessing " at tremendous speeds. (4) Because the ecliptic is inclined to the equator (obliquity of ecliptic) the earth/sun reaches the minimum/maximum declination i.e. it is at the minimum/maximum distance from the equator during its revolution of the sun at particular points of time. The maximum obliquity of the ecliptic has remained around 23°28' over the last couple of centuries. Therefore that is the maximum north/south declination that the sun/earth can attain these days during its journey via the ecliptic. On that declination depends the phenomenon of seasons, which is also directly responsible for increase/decrease in day/night durations. The sun attains the maximum northern declination of about 23° 27' on June 21. That means it is at a maximum northern > distance from the > > equator on that date. That is thus the last day of the summer season when the day is the longest and varsha ritu starts. The sun (actually the earth) has then to stop for a fleeting moment---less than a nanosecond-- - before climbing down from that " high pedestal " of North declination! That fleeting moment is the real crucial moment and we can only " calculate " it correctly to some extent with our computers with microprocessor speeds in GHz that also only with the data from NASA and other overseas observatories and not from our panchanga-makers including the Rashtriya Panchanga! This very moment of " U-turn " in the declination of the sun is the real dakshinayana as the earth has reached the maximum declination of south or the sun the maximum declination of north viz. 23° 27' and has to turn back from there. This is also known as Karkata Sankranti of the sun as the sun lies directly over the tropic of Cancer (Karka-Rekha) on that date. I am > sure > > everybody has read that much of geography in his primary school days! There cannot be any other Karkata Sankranti as per any shastra or sidhanta or modern astronomy/geography since there is no other Karka Rekha (Tropic of Cancer) or any other longest day of the year! > > Similar is the case on December 21, when the sun reaches the maximum south declination (of around 23° 27') i.e. when the sun is at a maximum southern distance from the equator. It has to stop then for a fleeting moment---less than a nanosecond again--- before " turning " back (U-turn!) from that high pedestal. That fleeting moment is the real Uttarayana of the sun known as Makara Sankranti since the sun is directly on the tropic of Capricorn--- Makara-Rekha- --on that date. There is absolutely no other Makara Sankranti either as per the shastras or sidhantas or modern astronomy/geography since there is no other Makara-Rekha nor any other shortest day of the year! That also is primary school level geography! > > Similarly, during its sojourn around the sun; the earth, the equator and the ecliptic join together for a fleeting moment---here also less than a nanosecond-- when the longitude, latitude, declination and right ascension of the sun/earth are zero! The sun (actually the earth) is in exact " conjunction " with the ecliptic and the equator! It is thus a " Triveni " and that is the moment of Spring Equinox. With the declination of the sun being zero degrees South it has to start moving away (cross the equator) again from that " conjunction of the equator " from that moment of zero degrees longitude-cum- latitude- cum-declination- cum-right ascension! It proceeds towards Northern declination and it is known as Uttaragola. That fleeting moment is Vishuva †" Mesha Sankranti of the sun (Tula Sankranti of the earth)! It is Vishuva because the earth is conjunct with the Vishuvat Rekha i.e. the Equator. That is the moment when days and nights are really > equal throughout > > the globe. > > That is the zero " moment/point " for all the calculations of longitude, Right Ascension, Declination etc. and it is known as Vernal Equinox. Vishuva also means, as per Jayaratha, the commentator of Tantraloka, the days when " days and nights are equal " . Spring Equinox also means the same thing i.e Equi-nox: day is equal to night in the midst of the spring season! This is the real Vaishakhi and the sun enters Uttara Gola then i.e. it starts gaining in northern declination! There is no other Vishuvat Rekha (Equator) with which the earth can be " conjunct " during Spring and therefore there cannot be any other Vishuva or Mesha Sankranti since day and night are not equal during Spring on any other day. All the panchangakars list Uttara-gola on that date but then why do they want us to celebrate Vaishakhi/Vaishakha di/Meshadi i.e. solar New Year on April 14/15!   Because they know that we do not know ABC of geography! Or is it that > they do not know it > > themselves? > > Then again after six months of that phenomenon, a similar situation comes again, when the longitude and Right ascension of the sun are 180 degrees (earth zero degrees). The longitude of the sun also can be taken as zero degrees on that date if we measure it from Autumn Equinox instead of from Vernal Equinox! The equator, the earth and the ecliptic have a confluence for a fleeting moment---less than a nanosecond-- -again! As the earth is conjunct the equator i.e. Vishuvat Rekha again, it is also known as Vishuva----Autumn Equinox (Jala Vishuva or Tula Sankranti) around September 23. It is the midpoint (second month) of the Sharat-ritu. (That is why Sharadiya Navaratras should start with the first Shukla Pratipat after Sharat Ritu starts---on September 15 in 2004†" and not when Sharat-kala is almost over†" October 14, 2004----as is being done by our panchangamakers) . > > The declination of the sun is zero degrees at that particular moment. Again, all the panchangakars list it as " the sun enters dakshina gola " as the sun (after crossing the Equator) starts gaining southern declination from that moment. There cannot be any other Tula Sankranti/Jala Vishuva as the earth is not conjunct Equator---and thus the day and night are not equal---on any other day in Autumn! But then these panchangakars make us celebrate Tula Sankranti on October 14/15! Why? Only because they will lose their sinful crumbs if the tell us the facts! Or is it that they do not know the facts themselves? A sad state of affairs, in either case! > > Naturally, in ancient times, it was almost impossible for ordinary mortals to calculate accurately to the nearest minute, leave alone the nearest second, such phenomena as lasted hardly for nanoseconds! Really, hats off to our Rishis! Obviously, our present " Vamadevas " and " Parasharas " who advocate such Mesha etc. sankrantis as do not exist at all, are a slur on the real Rishis and such fakes must be banished without delay from this land of real Rishis > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 parvasudhar2065 , " hari " <harimalla wrote: Dear Shri Darshaneylokeshji, <Plz Let me know, the things you are interested in coordinating and the common point of coordination.> The things that are to be coordinated is sayan sankranti and nirayan sankranti with the help of purnima tithi.All this is to be done without changing our traditional system of jyotish and dharma shastra.If you read Bharatiya jyotish of Shankar BK Dixit where there is discussion of shifting one month time when calendar is to be reformed, you will know aboout what is to be coordinated.it is coordinating the ideas of two stalwarts of the 19th century. Since people of these two camps were very good and learned people,it becomes much more easier to decide how to coordinate and what to coordinate. since you are after the truth please study the above pages.thanks, Hari Malla HinduCalendar , darshaney lokesh <darshaneylokesh@> wrote: > > Shri hari Malla ji, >     Namestey. >     Since, myself interested in truth and truth alone I’d like to clarify a few things to you, >  > 1-True panchanga can never be either sayan or nirayan or both or neither. Actually a panchanga (hence forth called as tithi patrak, it being more appropriate nomenclature) has nothing to do with Ayanamsha (what so ever it’s value may be) resulting from precession of equinoxes, as against common thinking. >        2-You have been talking a lot of about coordinative approach. For coordination we must have at least two  things which needs to be coordinated having at least one point in common at which the things are to be coordinated. Plz Let me know, the things you are interested in coordinating and the common point of coordination. > 3-  Your logic regarding oldness of a custom is also not valid since this  is the argument on wich Gaililio was trailed. At so may phases this argument has harmed the humanity very much. That is the reason that  Kalidas had to say,â€Puranmittev na saadhu sarvam. .†An old custom, just because of its oldness, ca not be carried forward at least after getting known of its correctness.The same has been done for quite a few old customs. We have touched one of those. > 4-The word “lunar season†in itself is a misnomer as “vandhya putra†( son of a vandhya lady). The word “lunar season†has got zero meaning. I hope you understand the meaning of meaning. > 5-Truth is alone; there can not be two ways to choose from. Truth is not a matter of choice. It is as such “tat twam asiâ€. When we choose, we choose either the most suitable or the least objectionable. Truth is neither that which is most suitable nor that which is most objectionable. > 6-Definitely working together saves time. I request you to have a look of Shri Mohan Krity Aarsh Tithi Patrak. We too are looking forward for your cooperation if you come with your self amended form for which you require to follow some important   following points.. > 7- I have put my mathematical explaination before all erudites. You have not touched that but still talking ‘nirayana’, ‘sayana’ due to your ‘nirayan attachments (Moh)’ and ‘sayana hate (vair)’as is evident from your statement,â€Since you are also a man interested in the truth, may I request you to let people know of the alternate method to reform our calendar by the coordinative system, where the panchanga remains nirayan as it is the old custome“. Therefore, so far these two words are fetched in to the  brain   you may not be free from such ‘raag-dwesh’. You do not know that basing ‘ayanamsha’ right from 0 to 360 degrees will give relative measures only. E.g. Kathmandumay be at the distance of 10,100,500,1000 or any more Kms but from where? That ‘where’ talks of your ayanamsha. For true idea of it’s location, you will have to talk interms of Latitude and Longitudes. In this way zodical measurements are needed to be > given on the basis of ‘Shar’ and ‘bhogamsha’ and initial ‘shar and bhogamshas’ are zero/zero. This ‘zero’ is free from the bases of your raag and dwesh. Ok? It is that raag and dwesh only due to which your replies are always- 1> Haste written and 2> Not proper since you do not even read the mail completely. > 8 †" See your advise (what type of advise is this that  looks like an order?),â€I am advising him to give another alternative to the public and quote the availability of the nirayana method too.†Sorry dear friend, I have calculated and framed the correct vedic calendar which is the outcome of my longest devotion of years together. It is not the mere matter of,†Since you are also a man interested in the. . .†but devotion of years together This language of your’s is very cheaper way for under rating my ‘total devotion’. If you do not amend yourself then I will have to amend myself by neglecting your mails. I am sure, By this way, we would save at least our time from being wasted. >  > 9- You have been talking a lot about the Sun being in Dhanishta at Uttarayan/Makar samkranti during VJ period. In his latest mail Shri Bhattacharya has also put some valid arguments. Can you please clearify if VJ people were able to Sun and Dhanishta simultaneously? Generally we can not see any star, other than the Sunwhile Sun is in the sky.If otherwise, then what is the meaning of Sun at Uttarayan/Makarsamkranti in Dhanishta.Is it that Dhanishta was rising in east during the said samkranti or is it that Dhanishta was at Mid-haeaven in the night of that event? What else? >      Hari ji, Nakshtras ar primarily related to moon and its’ orbital path and hence seen and recorded in relation to moon alone. Sun’s relation to nakshtrais depicted with the rising of stars at evening or early morning after tropical event like Vasant Sampat etc e.g. Margsheersh name of the star  signifies its’ importance. The star is supposed to be the sheers (i.e. head or the starting point )of the path of the Sun arrounf Earthwas the star rising in east after VE during early vedic period. This position was changed to Kritika, Rohini and Asvini in course of time. Presently the star is Uttarabhadrapad.Ultimately, I feel unless you will not understand delinks between rashis and nakshtras, it will remain very difficult for you to get rid of from your ‘Dhanishta riddle.      > 10- And now a humble  request to every member of Hindu Calendar Group that the Arsh Tithi Patrak that I have produced is (from my side) a ‘correct’ one and very sincerely managed with my limited knowledge and guidance available to me. However,  it is not yet a ‘complete’ one. There are certain things in my mind which I am not going to disclose at this immature stage. Knowledgeable members  may please take it confiremed that any of the suggestion coming from them ( including Sunil K Bhattacharya ji)  will be sincerely attended to. If I found them correct I will certainly manage those suggestions. Please be with me learnedly but igolessly. > Thanks. Aum Sham! >  > Acharya Darshaney Lokesh > Editor, Shri Mohan Krity Aarsh Tithi Patrak >  > hari <harimalla@> > HinduCalendar > Thu, 12 November, 20095:08:38 PM > [HinduCalendar] Re: MeshadI & Tuladi > > Dear shri Darshaneylokesh ji, > Since you are also a man interested in the truth, may I request you to let people know of the alternate method to reform our calendar by the coordinative system, where the panchanga remains nirayan as it is the old custome. Let them know both the sayan method you are advocating and also the method I am trying to propagate. This will save our common time frame for reform, if we cooperate with each other in this way, so that the Hindus of India will get a chance to choose from the two methods. Thanks, > Regards, > Hari Malla >  > HinduCalendar, darshaney lokesh <darshaneylokesh@ ....> wrote: > > >  Respected Kaul ji, > > Namastey. > > >I received today your post with cuttings from Amar Ujala and Dainik Jagran ..There appears to be a steady uneasy feeling in the minds of general public that they are really celebrating their festivals on worng days. I am sure it will gather momentum and ultimately, " satyam eva jayate nanrtiam " > > * Of course! As ‘Sarthee of the Satya’ (Satyya ke saarthee ke roop men) dedicated for doing that. The enclosed cuttings have been sent to more than 200 astrologers and panchanga makers since those  were giving nice coverage of the Chandausi Sammelan of Akhil Bhartiya Panchang Sudhar Samiti, > > >Regarding the post " Meshadi & Tuladi " , I think it is the one that I am copying below from Hinducalendar forum. Pl. let me know. > >*Definitely, it is the same. > > It is to also let you know that the famous and quite relevant MATTHAADESH of Samvat 1929 is being reproduced in the SMKATP -2067 along with  three foot notes asking to the present param poojya shree that- > >  1. The said MATTHAADESH is still standing or cancelled? > >  2. If yes, then let us know the draft matter of the cancellation of the  MATTHAADESH. > >  3. If not, then how the Panchangas are being observed and how the Festivals are being observed by the loyal devotees of the respected MATH. > >  It is also brought in the notice of all concerning learned members of this group  that Sri Mohan Krity Arsh Tithi Patrak -2066, 2067 have been sent to almost all the MATHS through the Patrone, Shri Rahimal Prasad Tivari, Akhil Bhartiya Panchang Sudhar Samiti and following to that, Poojya Shankaracharya ji of Kanchipuram had called on me to his Ashram.. The invitation was  replied back asking for clear agenda of the meeting. Further reply from his holiness is awaited. I hope members will appreceiate and encourage my action. > > This is in reply to an another mail received from you. > > Thanks. Aum Sham. > > Darshaney Lokesh, Genl Secretary, > > Akhil Bhartiya Panchang Sudhar Samiti, > > Primary School level Geography: Let us see the situation in the light of modern astronomy/geography . Initially, I was myself peeved as to why the ayana and vishuva (Makara, Mesha, Karkata and Tula) sankrantis had been praised to the skies by our Rishis, so much so that they say that it is difficult even for yogis to catch the actual moment of such sankrantis and any charities or fasts on such occasions yield thousand-fold results! > > Let me explain it in a manner that is as non-technical as possible: > > We know that the earth hurtles around the sun at about 30 kilometers per second. (2) It also rotates on its axis, causing days and nights (3) The equator is " precessing " at tremendous speeds. (4) Because the ecliptic is inclined to the equator (obliquity of ecliptic) the earth/sun reaches the minimum/maximum declination i.e. it is at the minimum/maximum distance from the equator during its revolution of the sun at particular points of time. The maximum obliquity of the ecliptic has remained around 23°28' over the last couple of centuries. Therefore that is the maximum north/south declination that the sun/earth can attain these days during its journey via the ecliptic. On that declination depends the phenomenon of seasons, which is also directly responsible for increase/decrease in day/night durations. The sun attains the maximum northern declination of about 23° 27' on June 21. That means it is at a maximum northern > distance from the > > equator on that date. That is thus the last day of the summer season when the day is the longest and varsha ritu starts. The sun (actually the earth) has then to stop for a fleeting moment---less than a nanosecond-- - before climbing down from that " high pedestal " of North declination! That fleeting moment is the real crucial moment and we can only " calculate " it correctly to some extent with our computers with microprocessor speeds in GHz that also only with the data from NASA and other overseas observatories and not from our panchanga-makers including the Rashtriya Panchanga! This very moment of " U-turn " in the declination of the sun is the real dakshinayana as the earth has reached the maximum declination of south or the sun the maximum declination of north viz. 23° 27' and has to turn back from there. This is also known as Karkata Sankranti of the sun as the sun lies directly over the tropic of Cancer (Karka-Rekha) on that date. I am > sure > > everybody has read that much of geography in his primary school days! There cannot be any other Karkata Sankranti as per any shastra or sidhanta or modern astronomy/geography since there is no other Karka Rekha (Tropic of Cancer) or any other longest day of the year! > > Similar is the case on December 21, when the sun reaches the maximum south declination (of around 23° 27') i.e. when the sun is at a maximum southern distance from the equator. It has to stop then for a fleeting moment---less than a nanosecond again--- before " turning " back (U-turn!) from that high pedestal. That fleeting moment is the real Uttarayana of the sun known as Makara Sankranti since the sun is directly on the tropic of Capricorn--- Makara-Rekha- --on that date. There is absolutely no other Makara Sankranti either as per the shastras or sidhantas or modern astronomy/geography since there is no other Makara-Rekha nor any other shortest day of the year! That also is primary school level geography! > > Similarly, during its sojourn around the sun; the earth, the equator and the ecliptic join together for a fleeting moment---here also less than a nanosecond-- when the longitude, latitude, declination and right ascension of the sun/earth are zero! The sun (actually the earth) is in exact " conjunction " with the ecliptic and the equator! It is thus a " Triveni " and that is the moment of Spring Equinox. With the declination of the sun being zero degrees South it has to start moving away (cross the equator) again from that " conjunction of the equator " from that moment of zero degrees longitude-cum- latitude- cum-declination- cum-right ascension! It proceeds towards Northern declination and it is known as Uttaragola. That fleeting moment is Vishuva †" Mesha Sankranti of the sun (Tula Sankranti of the earth)! It is Vishuva because the earth is conjunct with the Vishuvat Rekha i.e. the Equator. That is the moment when days and nights are really > equal throughout > > the globe. > > That is the zero " moment/point " for all the calculations of longitude, Right Ascension, Declination etc. and it is known as Vernal Equinox. Vishuva also means, as per Jayaratha, the commentator of Tantraloka, the days when " days and nights are equal " . Spring Equinox also means the same thing i.e Equi-nox: day is equal to night in the midst of the spring season! This is the real Vaishakhi and the sun enters Uttara Gola then i.e. it starts gaining in northern declination! There is no other Vishuvat Rekha (Equator) with which the earth can be " conjunct " during Spring and therefore there cannot be any other Vishuva or Mesha Sankranti since day and night are not equal during Spring on any other day. All the panchangakars list Uttara-gola on that date but then why do they want us to celebrate Vaishakhi/Vaishakha di/Meshadi i.e. solar New Year on April 14/15!   Because they know that we do not know ABC of geography! Or is it that > they do not know it > > themselves? > > Then again after six months of that phenomenon, a similar situation comes again, when the longitude and Right ascension of the sun are 180 degrees (earth zero degrees). The longitude of the sun also can be taken as zero degrees on that date if we measure it from Autumn Equinox instead of from Vernal Equinox! The equator, the earth and the ecliptic have a confluence for a fleeting moment---less than a nanosecond-- -again! As the earth is conjunct the equator i.e. Vishuvat Rekha again, it is also known as Vishuva----Autumn Equinox (Jala Vishuva or Tula Sankranti) around September 23. It is the midpoint (second month) of the Sharat-ritu. (That is why Sharadiya Navaratras should start with the first Shukla Pratipat after Sharat Ritu starts---on September 15 in 2004†" and not when Sharat-kala is almost over†" October 14, 2004----as is being done by our panchangamakers) . > > The declination of the sun is zero degrees at that particular moment. Again, all the panchangakars list it as " the sun enters dakshina gola " as the sun (after crossing the Equator) starts gaining southern declination from that moment. There cannot be any other Tula Sankranti/Jala Vishuva as the earth is not conjunct Equator---and thus the day and night are not equal---on any other day in Autumn! But then these panchangakars make us celebrate Tula Sankranti on October 14/15! Why? Only because they will lose their sinful crumbs if the tell us the facts! Or is it that they do not know the facts themselves? A sad state of affairs, in either case! > > Naturally, in ancient times, it was almost impossible for ordinary mortals to calculate accurately to the nearest minute, leave alone the nearest second, such phenomena as lasted hardly for nanoseconds! Really, hats off to our Rishis! Obviously, our present " Vamadevas " and " Parasharas " who advocate such Mesha etc. sankrantis as do not exist at all, are a slur on the real Rishis and such fakes must be banished without delay from this land of real Rishis > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Dear Darshaneylokeshji, Namskar! <4-The word “lunar season†in itself is a misnomer as “vandhya putra†(son of a vandhya lady). The word “lunar season†has got zero meaning. I hope you understand the meaning of meaning.> let me clarify that you are not aware of a subject which is taught in sanskrit universities under the heading of Dharma Shastra in addition to 'Jyotish' as a subject. Some text books involved in this course are Dharma sindhu, Kalamadhav, Nirnaya sindhu etc. So please get hold of one of these bookds and you will know that in Dharmic karmas, lunar seasons are given priority over th solar seasons. Since you talk of only solar seasons, you have read only jyotish books. So please reply only after you have consulted these books, which say the lunar seasons are to be given first priority over solar ones. The subject of each festivals is described in these books. So let us talk on festivals and timings only after we have read of the preliminary knowledge about them from these books. thanks, Hari Malla , " hari " <harimalla wrote: > > parvasudhar2065 , " hari " <harimalla@> wrote: > > Dear Shri Darshaneylokeshji, > <Plz Let me know, the things you are interested in coordinating and the common point of coordination.> > > The things that are to be coordinated is sayan sankranti and nirayan sankranti with the help of purnima tithi.All this is to be done without changing our traditional system of jyotish and dharma shastra.If you read Bharatiya jyotish of Shankar BK Dixit where there is discussion of shifting one month time when calendar is to be reformed, you will know aboout what is to be coordinated.it is coordinating the ideas of two stalwarts of the 19th century. Since people of these two camps were very good and learned people,it becomes much more easier to decide how to coordinate and what to coordinate. > since you are after the truth please study the above pages.thanks, > Hari Malla > > HinduCalendar , darshaney lokesh <darshaneylokesh@> wrote: > > > > Shri hari Malla ji, > >     Namestey. > >     Since, myself interested in truth and truth alone I’d like to clarify a few things to you, > >  > > 1-True panchanga can never be either sayan or nirayan or both or neither. Actually a panchanga (hence forth called as tithi patrak, it being more appropriate nomenclature) has nothing to do with Ayanamsha (what so ever it’s value may be) resulting from precession of equinoxes, as against common thinking. > >        2-You have been talking a lot of about coordinative approach. For coordination we must have at least two  things which needs to be coordinated having at least one point in common at which the things are to be coordinated. Plz Let me know, the things you are interested in coordinating and the common point of coordination. > > 3-  Your logic regarding oldness of a custom is also not valid since this  is the argument on wich Gaililio was trailed. At so may phases this argument has harmed the humanity very much. That is the reason that  Kalidas had to say,â€Puranmittev na saadhu sarvam. .†An old custom, just because of its oldness, ca not be carried forward at least after getting known of its correctness.The same has been done for quite a few old customs. We have touched one of those. > > 4-The word “lunar season†in itself is a misnomer as “vandhya putra†( son of a vandhya lady). The word “lunar season†has got zero meaning. I hope you understand the meaning of meaning. > > 5-Truth is alone; there can not be two ways to choose from. Truth is not a matter of choice. It is as such “tat twam asiâ€. When we choose, we choose either the most suitable or the least objectionable. Truth is neither that which is most suitable nor that which is most objectionable. > > 6-Definitely working together saves time. I request you to have a look of Shri Mohan Krity Aarsh Tithi Patrak. We too are looking forward for your cooperation if you come with your self amended form for which you require to follow some important   following points.. > > 7- I have put my mathematical explaination before all erudites. You have not touched that but still talking ‘nirayana’, ‘sayana’ due to your ‘nirayan attachments (Moh)’ and ‘sayana hate (vair)’as is evident from your statement,â€Since you are also a man interested in the truth, may I request you to let people know of the alternate method to reform our calendar by the coordinative system, where the panchanga remains nirayan as it is the old custome“. Therefore, so far these two words are fetched in to the  brain   you may not be free from such ‘raag-dwesh’. You do not know that basing ‘ayanamsha’ right from 0 to 360 degrees will give relative measures only. E.g. Kathmandumay be at the distance of 10,100,500,1000 or any more Kms but from where? That ‘where’ talks of your ayanamsha. For true idea of it’s location, you will have to talk interms of Latitude and Longitudes. In this way zodical measurements are needed to be > > given on the basis of ‘Shar’ and ‘bhogamsha’ and initial ‘shar and bhogamshas’ are zero/zero. This ‘zero’ is free from the bases of your raag and dwesh. Ok? It is that raag and dwesh only due to which your replies are always- 1> Haste written and 2> Not proper since you do not even read the mail completely. > > 8 †" See your advise (what type of advise is this that  looks like an order?),â€I am advising him to give another alternative to the public and quote the availability of the nirayana method too.†Sorry dear friend, I have calculated and framed the correct vedic calendar which is the outcome of my longest devotion of years together. It is not the mere matter of,†Since you are also a man interested in the. . .†but devotion of years together This language of your’s is very cheaper way for under rating my ‘total devotion’. If you do not amend yourself then I will have to amend myself by neglecting your mails. I am sure, By this way, we would save at least our time from being wasted. > >  > > 9- You have been talking a lot about the Sun being in Dhanishta at Uttarayan/Makar samkranti during VJ period. In his latest mail Shri Bhattacharya has also put some valid arguments. Can you please clearify if VJ people were able to Sun and Dhanishta simultaneously? Generally we can not see any star, other than the Sunwhile Sun is in the sky.If otherwise, then what is the meaning of Sun at Uttarayan/Makarsamkranti in Dhanishta.Is it that Dhanishta was rising in east during the said samkranti or is it that Dhanishta was at Mid-haeaven in the night of that event? What else? > >      Hari ji, Nakshtras ar primarily related to moon and its’ orbital path and hence seen and recorded in relation to moon alone. Sun’s relation to nakshtrais depicted with the rising of stars at evening or early morning after tropical event like Vasant Sampat etc e.g. Margsheersh name of the star  signifies its’ importance. The star is supposed to be the sheers (i.e. head or the starting point )of the path of the Sun arrounf Earthwas the star rising in east after VE during early vedic period. This position was changed to Kritika, Rohini and Asvini in course of time. Presently the star is Uttarabhadrapad.Ultimately, I feel unless you will not understand delinks between rashis and nakshtras, it will remain very difficult for you to get rid of from your ‘Dhanishta riddle.      > > 10- And now a humble  request to every member of Hindu Calendar Group that the Arsh Tithi Patrak that I have produced is (from my side) a ‘correct’ one and very sincerely managed with my limited knowledge and guidance available to me. However,  it is not yet a ‘complete’ one. There are certain things in my mind which I am not going to disclose at this immature stage. Knowledgeable members  may please take it confiremed that any of the suggestion coming from them ( including Sunil K Bhattacharya ji)  will be sincerely attended to. If I found them correct I will certainly manage those suggestions. Please be with me learnedly but igolessly. > > Thanks. Aum Sham! > >  > > Acharya Darshaney Lokesh > > Editor, Shri Mohan Krity Aarsh Tithi Patrak > >  > > hari <harimalla@> > > HinduCalendar > > Thu, 12 November, 20095:08:38 PM > > [HinduCalendar] Re: MeshadI & Tuladi > > > > Dear shri Darshaneylokesh ji, > > Since you are also a man interested in the truth, may I request you to let people know of the alternate method to reform our calendar by the coordinative system, where the panchanga remains nirayan as it is the old custome. Let them know both the sayan method you are advocating and also the method I am trying to propagate. This will save our common time frame for reform, if we cooperate with each other in this way, so that the Hindus of India will get a chance to choose from the two methods. Thanks, > > Regards, > > Hari Malla > >  > > HinduCalendar, darshaney lokesh <darshaneylokesh@ ....> wrote: > > > > >  Respected Kaul ji, > > > Namastey. > > > >I received today your post with cuttings from Amar Ujala and Dainik Jagran .There appears to be a steady uneasy feeling in the minds of general public that they are really celebrating their festivals on worng days. I am sure it will gather momentum and ultimately, " satyam eva jayate nanrtiam " > > > * Of course! As ‘Sarthee of the Satya’ (Satyya ke saarthee ke roop men) dedicated for doing that. The enclosed cuttings have been sent to more than 200 astrologers and panchanga makers since those  were giving nice coverage of the Chandausi Sammelan of Akhil Bhartiya Panchang Sudhar Samiti, > > > >Regarding the post " Meshadi & Tuladi " , I think it is the one that I am copying below from Hinducalendar forum. Pl. let me know. > > >*Definitely, it is the same. > > > It is to also let you know that the famous and quite relevant MATTHAADESH of Samvat 1929 is being reproduced in the SMKATP -2067 along with  three foot notes asking to the present param poojya shree that- > > >  1. The said MATTHAADESH is still standing or cancelled? > > >  2. If yes, then let us know the draft matter of the cancellation of the  MATTHAADESH. > > >  3. If not, then how the Panchangas are being observed and how the Festivals are being observed by the loyal devotees of the respected MATH. > > >  It is also brought in the notice of all concerning learned members of this group  that Sri Mohan Krity Arsh Tithi Patrak -2066, 2067 have been sent to almost all the MATHS through the Patrone, Shri Rahimal Prasad Tivari, Akhil Bhartiya Panchang Sudhar Samiti and following to that, Poojya Shankaracharya ji of Kanchipuram had called on me to his Ashram.. The invitation was  replied back asking for clear agenda of the meeting. Further reply from his holiness is awaited. I hope members will appreceiate and encourage my action. > > > This is in reply to an another mail received from you. > > > Thanks. Aum Sham. > > > Darshaney Lokesh, Genl Secretary, > > > Akhil Bhartiya Panchang Sudhar Samiti, > > > Primary School level Geography: Let us see the situation in the light of modern astronomy/geography . Initially, I was myself peeved as to why the ayana and vishuva (Makara, Mesha, Karkata and Tula) sankrantis had been praised to the skies by our Rishis, so much so that they say that it is difficult even for yogis to catch the actual moment of such sankrantis and any charities or fasts on such occasions yield thousand-fold results! > > > Let me explain it in a manner that is as non-technical as possible: > > > We know that the earth hurtles around the sun at about 30 kilometers per second. (2) It also rotates on its axis, causing days and nights (3) The equator is " precessing " at tremendous speeds. (4) Because the ecliptic is inclined to the equator (obliquity of ecliptic) the earth/sun reaches the minimum/maximum declination i.e. it is at the minimum/maximum distance from the equator during its revolution of the sun at particular points of time. The maximum obliquity of the ecliptic has remained around 23°28' over the last couple of centuries. Therefore that is the maximum north/south declination that the sun/earth can attain these days during its journey via the ecliptic. On that declination depends the phenomenon of seasons, which is also directly responsible for increase/decrease in day/night durations. The sun attains the maximum northern declination of about 23° 27' on June 21. That means it is at a maximum northern > > distance from the > > > equator on that date. That is thus the last day of the summer season when the day is the longest and varsha ritu starts. The sun (actually the earth) has then to stop for a fleeting moment---less than a nanosecond-- - before climbing down from that " high pedestal " of North declination! That fleeting moment is the real crucial moment and we can only " calculate " it correctly to some extent with our computers with microprocessor speeds in GHz that also only with the data from NASA and other overseas observatories and not from our panchanga-makers including the Rashtriya Panchanga! This very moment of " U-turn " in the declination of the sun is the real dakshinayana as the earth has reached the maximum declination of south or the sun the maximum declination of north viz. 23° 27' and has to turn back from there. This is also known as Karkata Sankranti of the sun as the sun lies directly over the tropic of Cancer (Karka-Rekha) on that date. I am > > sure > > > everybody has read that much of geography in his primary school days! There cannot be any other Karkata Sankranti as per any shastra or sidhanta or modern astronomy/geography since there is no other Karka Rekha (Tropic of Cancer) or any other longest day of the year! > > > Similar is the case on December 21, when the sun reaches the maximum south declination (of around 23° 27') i.e. when the sun is at a maximum southern distance from the equator. It has to stop then for a fleeting moment---less than a nanosecond again--- before " turning " back (U-turn!) from that high pedestal. That fleeting moment is the real Uttarayana of the sun known as Makara Sankranti since the sun is directly on the tropic of Capricorn--- Makara-Rekha- --on that date. There is absolutely no other Makara Sankranti either as per the shastras or sidhantas or modern astronomy/geography since there is no other Makara-Rekha nor any other shortest day of the year! That also is primary school level geography! > > > Similarly, during its sojourn around the sun; the earth, the equator and the ecliptic join together for a fleeting moment---here also less than a nanosecond-- when the longitude, latitude, declination and right ascension of the sun/earth are zero! The sun (actually the earth) is in exact " conjunction " with the ecliptic and the equator! It is thus a " Triveni " and that is the moment of Spring Equinox. With the declination of the sun being zero degrees South it has to start moving away (cross the equator) again from that " conjunction of the equator " from that moment of zero degrees longitude-cum- latitude- cum-declination- cum-right ascension! It proceeds towards Northern declination and it is known as Uttaragola. That fleeting moment is Vishuva †" Mesha Sankranti of the sun (Tula Sankranti of the earth)! It is Vishuva because the earth is conjunct with the Vishuvat Rekha i.e. the Equator. That is the moment when days and nights are really > > equal throughout > > > the globe. > > > That is the zero " moment/point " for all the calculations of longitude, Right Ascension, Declination etc. and it is known as Vernal Equinox. Vishuva also means, as per Jayaratha, the commentator of Tantraloka, the days when " days and nights are equal " . Spring Equinox also means the same thing i.e Equi-nox: day is equal to night in the midst of the spring season! This is the real Vaishakhi and the sun enters Uttara Gola then i.e. it starts gaining in northern declination! There is no other Vishuvat Rekha (Equator) with which the earth can be " conjunct " during Spring and therefore there cannot be any other Vishuva or Mesha Sankranti since day and night are not equal during Spring on any other day. All the panchangakars list Uttara-gola on that date but then why do they want us to celebrate Vaishakhi/Vaishakha di/Meshadi i.e. solar New Year on April 14/15!   Because they know that we do not know ABC of geography! Or is it that > > they do not know it > > > themselves? > > > Then again after six months of that phenomenon, a similar situation comes again, when the longitude and Right ascension of the sun are 180 degrees (earth zero degrees). The longitude of the sun also can be taken as zero degrees on that date if we measure it from Autumn Equinox instead of from Vernal Equinox! The equator, the earth and the ecliptic have a confluence for a fleeting moment---less than a nanosecond-- -again! As the earth is conjunct the equator i.e. Vishuvat Rekha again, it is also known as Vishuva----Autumn Equinox (Jala Vishuva or Tula Sankranti) around September 23. It is the midpoint (second month) of the Sharat-ritu. (That is why Sharadiya Navaratras should start with the first Shukla Pratipat after Sharat Ritu starts---on September 15 in 2004†" and not when Sharat-kala is almost over†" October 14, 2004----as is being done by our panchangamakers) . > > > The declination of the sun is zero degrees at that particular moment. Again, all the panchangakars list it as " the sun enters dakshina gola " as the sun (after crossing the Equator) starts gaining southern declination from that moment. There cannot be any other Tula Sankranti/Jala Vishuva as the earth is not conjunct Equator---and thus the day and night are not equal---on any other day in Autumn! But then these panchangakars make us celebrate Tula Sankranti on October 14/15! Why? Only because they will lose their sinful crumbs if the tell us the facts! Or is it that they do not know the facts themselves? A sad state of affairs, in either case! > > > Naturally, in ancient times, it was almost impossible for ordinary mortals to calculate accurately to the nearest minute, leave alone the nearest second, such phenomena as lasted hardly for nanoseconds! Really, hats off to our Rishis! Obviously, our present " Vamadevas " and " Parasharas " who advocate such Mesha etc. sankrantis as do not exist at all, are a slur on the real Rishis and such fakes must be banished without delay from this land of real Rishis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Unless one is living on the 'moon', Dada! Maybe in " Dwapara " when from the accounts given in Mahabharata for instance, technology was way advanced and so on ...! I heard that some rich person, Richard Bronson (?) is working on a project to make space travel possible with each ticket costing 200 million dollars! WOW! I wonder how many hungry children could be fed and cared for if even one of those rich people decided to " stay on earth " rather than make a quick trip to the moon to find that there are probably no seasons on moon! OY VAY!! Rohiniranjan , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > Dear friends, > It is nonsense to talk of lunar season. Season is always connected with the distance between the Sun and the Earth as the earth revolves round the Sun in the elliptical path. Shri Harimalla is strangely unaware of this. > > The Moon is the maker of the month and in that month the Moon moves through all the 27 nakshatras. So the attempt of some ignorant people to delink the lunar month from the Nakshatra is utterly foolish. > I know there are many scholars in this forum who know this and may know astronomy much more than I know but it is intriguing as to why they are keeping mum. By educating the ignorant fellow members they would not lose anything and only earn gratitude.Regards, > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > --- On Sun, 12/6/09, hari <harimalla wrote: > > hari <harimalla > Re: Fwd: Meshadi and Tuladi > > Sunday, December 6, 2009, 4:47 AM > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Dear Darshaneylokeshji, > > Namskar! > > <4-The word  " lunar seasonâ€� in itself is a misnomer as  " vandhya putraâ€� (son of a vandhya lady). The word  " lunar seasonâ€� has got zero meaning. I hope you understand the meaning of meaning.> > > let me clarify that you are not aware of a subject which is taught in sanskrit universities under the heading of Dharma Shastra in addition to 'Jyotish' as a subject. Some text books involved in this course are Dharma sindhu, Kalamadhav, Nirnaya sindhu etc. > > So please get hold of one of these bookds and you will know that in Dharmic karmas, lunar seasons are given priority over th solar seasons. > > Since you talk of only solar seasons, you have read only jyotish books. So please reply only after you have consulted these books, which say the lunar seasons are to be given first priority over solar ones. The subject of each festivals is described in these books. So let us talk on festivals and timings only after we have read of the preliminary knowledge about them from these books. > > thanks, > > Hari Malla > > , " hari " <harimalla@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > parvasudhar2065, " hari " <harimalla@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Darshaneylokeshji, > > > <Plz Let me know, the things you are interested in coordinating and the common point of coordination. > > > > > > > The things that are to be coordinated is sayan sankranti and nirayan sankranti with the help of purnima tithi.All this is to be done without changing our traditional system of jyotish and dharma shastra.If you read Bharatiya jyotish of Shankar BK Dixit where there is discussion of shifting one month time when calendar is to be reformed, you will know aboout what is to be coordinated. it is coordinating the ideas of two stalwarts of the 19th century. Since people of these two camps were very good and learned people,it becomes much more easier to decide how to coordinate and what to coordinate. > > > since you are after the truth please study the above pages.thanks, > > > Hari Malla > > > > > > HinduCalendar, darshaney lokesh <darshaneylokesh@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Shri hari Malla ji, > > > >     Namestey. > > > >     Since, myself interested in truth and truth alone I’d like to clarify a few things to you, > > > >  > > > > 1-True panchanga can never be either sayan or nirayan or both or neither. Actually a panchanga (hence forth called as tithi patrak, it being more appropriate nomenclature) has nothing to do with Ayanamsha (what so ever it’s value may be) resulting from precession of equinoxes, as against common thinking. > > > >        2-You have been talking a lot of about coordinative approach. For coordination we must have at least two  things which needs to be coordinated having at least one point in common at which the things are to be coordinated. Plz Let me know, the things you are interested in coordinating and the common point of coordination. > > > > 3-  Your logic regarding oldness of a custom is also not valid since this  is the argument on wich Gaililio was trailed. At so may phases this argument has harmed the humanity very much. That is the reason that  Kalidas had to say,â€�Puranmittev na saadhu sarvam. .â€� An old custom, just because of its oldness, ca not be carried forward at least after getting known of its correctness. The same has been done for quite a few old customs. We have touched one of those. > > > > 4-The word  " lunar seasonâ€� in itself is a misnomer as  " vandhya putraâ€� ( son of a vandhya lady). The word  " lunar seasonâ€� has got zero meaning. I hope you understand the meaning of meaning. > > > > 5-Truth is alone; there can not be two ways to choose from. Truth is not a matter of choice. It is as such  " tat twam asiâ€�. When we choose, we choose either the most suitable or the least objectionable. Truth is neither that which is most suitable nor that which is most objectionable. > > > > 6-Definitely working together saves time. I request you to have a look of Shri Mohan Krity Aarsh Tithi Patrak. We too are looking forward for your cooperation if you come with your self amended form for which you require to follow some important   following points.. > > > > 7- I have put my mathematical explaination before all erudites. You have not touched that but still talking ‘nirayana’, ‘sayana’ due to your ‘nirayan attachments (Moh)’ and ‘sayana hate (vair)’as is evident from your statement,â€�Since you are also a man interested in the truth, may I request you to let people know of the alternate method to reform our calendar by the coordinative system, where the panchanga remains nirayan as it is the old custome " . Therefore, so far these two words are fetched in to the  brain   you may not be free from such ‘raag-dwesh’. You do not know that basing ‘ayanamsha’ right from 0 to 360 degrees will give relative measures only. E.g. Kathmandumay be at the distance of 10,100,500,1000 or any more Kms but from where? That ‘where’ talks of your ayanamsha. For true idea of it’s location, you will have to talk > interms of Latitude and Longitudes. In this way zodical measurements are needed to be > > > > given on the basis of ‘Shar’ and ‘bhogamsha’ and initial ‘shar and bhogamshas’ are zero/zero. This ‘zero’ is free from the bases of your raag and dwesh. Ok? It is that raag and dwesh only due to which your replies are always- 1> Haste written and 2> Not proper since you do not even read the mail completely. > > > > 8 †" See your advise (what type of advise is this that  looks like an order?),â€�I am advising him to give another alternative to the public and quote the availability of the nirayana method too.â€� Sorry dear friend, I have calculated and framed the correct vedic calendar which is the outcome of my longest devotion of years together. It is not the mere matter of,â€� Since you are also a man interested in the. . .â€� but devotion of years together This language of your’s is very cheaper way for under rating my ‘total devotion’. If you do not amend yourself then I will have to amend myself by neglecting your mails. I am sure, By this way, we would save at least our time from being wasted. > > > >  > > > > 9- You have been talking a lot about the Sun being in Dhanishta at Uttarayan/Makar samkranti during VJ period. In his latest mail Shri Bhattacharya has also put some valid arguments. Can you please clearify if VJ people were able to Sun and Dhanishta simultaneously? Generally we can not see any star, other than the Sunwhile Sun is in the sky.If otherwise, then what is the meaning of Sun at Uttarayan/Makarsamk ranti in Dhanishta.Is it that Dhanishta was rising in east during the said samkranti or is it that Dhanishta was at Mid-haeaven in the night of that event? What else? > > > >      Hari ji, Nakshtras ar primarily related to moon and its’ orbital path and hence seen and recorded in relation to moon alone. Sun’s relation to nakshtrais depicted with the rising of stars at evening or early morning after tropical event like Vasant Sampat etc e.g. Margsheersh name of the star  signifies its’ importance. The star is supposed to be the sheers (i.e. head or the starting point )of the path of the Sun arrounf Earthwas the star rising in east after VE during early vedic period. This position was changed to Kritika, Rohini and Asvini in course of time. Presently the star is Uttarabhadrapad. Ultimately, I feel unless you will not understand delinks between rashis and nakshtras, it will remain very difficult for you to get rid of from your ‘Dhanishta riddle.      > > > > 10- And now a humble  request to every member of Hindu Calendar Group that the Arsh Tithi Patrak that I have produced is (from my side) a ‘correct’ one and very sincerely managed with my limited knowledge and guidance available to me. However,  it is not yet a ‘complete’ one. There are certain things in my mind which I am not going to disclose at this immature stage. Knowledgeable members  may please take it confiremed that any of the suggestion coming from them ( including Sunil K Bhattacharya ji)  will be sincerely attended to. If I found them correct I will certainly manage those suggestions. Please be with me learnedly but igolessly. > > > > Thanks. Aum Sham! > > > >  > > > > Acharya Darshaney Lokesh > > > > Editor, Shri Mohan Krity Aarsh Tithi Patrak > > > >  > > > > hari <harimalla@> > > > > HinduCalendar > > > > Thu, 12 November, 20095:08:38 PM > > > > [HinduCalendar] Re: MeshadI & Tuladi > > > > > > > > Dear shri Darshaneylokesh ji, > > > > Since you are also a man interested in the truth, may I request you to let people know of the alternate method to reform our calendar by the coordinative system, where the panchanga remains nirayan as it is the old custome. Let them know both the sayan method you are advocating and also the method I am trying to propagate. This will save our common time frame for reform, if we cooperate with each other in this way, so that the Hindus of India will get a chance to choose from the two methods. Thanks, > > > > Regards, > > > > Hari Malla > > > >  > > > > HinduCalendar, darshaney lokesh <darshaneylokesh@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > >  Respected Kaul ji, > > > > > Namastey. > > > > > >I received today your post with cuttings from Amar Ujala and Dainik Jagran .There appears to be a steady uneasy feeling in the minds of general public that they are really celebrating their festivals on worng days. I am sure it will gather momentum and ultimately, " satyam eva jayate nanrtiam " > > > > > * Of course! As â€ˊ" Sarthee of the Satya’ (Satyya ke saarthee ke roop men) dedicated for doing that. The enclosed cuttings have been sent to more than 200 astrologers and panchanga makers since those  were giving nice coverage of the Chandausi Sammelan of Akhil Bhartiya Panchang Sudhar Samiti, > > > > > >Regarding the post " Meshadi & Tuladi " , I think it is the one that I am copying below from Hinducalendar forum. Pl. let me know. > > > > >*Definitely, it is the same. > > > > > It is to also let you know that the famous and quite relevant MATTHAADESH of Samvat 1929 is being reproduced in the SMKATP -2067 along with  three foot notes asking to the present param poojya shree that- > > > > >  1. The said MATTHAADESH is still standing or cancelled? > > > > >  2. If yes, then let us know the draft matter of the cancellation of the  MATTHAADESH. > > > > >  3. If not, then how the Panchangas are being observed and how the Festivals are being observed by the loyal devotees of the respected MATH. > > > > >  It is also brought in the notice of all concerning learned members of this group  that Sri Mohan Krity Arsh Tithi Patrak -2066, 2067 have been sent to almost all the MATHS through the Patrone, Shri Rahimal Prasad Tivari, Akhil Bhartiya Panchang Sudhar Samiti and following to that, Poojya Shankaracharya ji of Kanchipuram had called on me to his Ashram.. The invitation was  replied back asking for clear agenda of the meeting. Further reply from his holiness is awaited. I hope members will appreceiate and encourage my action. > > > > > This is in reply to an another mail received from you. > > > > > Thanks. Aum Sham. > > > > > Darshaney Lokesh, Genl Secretary, > > > > > Akhil Bhartiya Panchang Sudhar Samiti, > > > > > Primary School level Geography: Let us see the situation in the light of modern astronomy/geography . Initially, I was myself peeved as to why the ayana and vishuva (Makara, Mesha, Karkata and Tula) sankrantis had been praised to the skies by our Rishis, so much so that they say that it is difficult even for yogis to catch the actual moment of such sankrantis and any charities or fasts on such occasions yield thousand-fold results! > > > > > Let me explain it in a manner that is as non-technical as possible: > > > > > We know that the earth hurtles around the sun at about 30 kilometers per second. (2) It also rotates on its axis, causing days and nights (3) The equator is " precessing " at tremendous speeds. (4) Because the ecliptic is inclined to the equator (obliquity of ecliptic) the earth/sun reaches the minimum/maximum declination i.e. it is at the minimum/maximum distance from the equator during its revolution of the sun at particular points of time. The maximum obliquity of the ecliptic has remained around 23°28' over the last couple of centuries. Therefore that is the maximum north/south declination that the sun/earth can attain these days during its journey via the ecliptic. On that declination depends the phenomenon of seasons, which is also directly responsible for increase/decrease in day/night durations. The sun attains the maximum northern declination of about 23° 27' on June 21. > That means it is at a maximum northern > > > > distance from the > > > > > equator on that date. That is thus the last day of the summer season when the day is the longest and varsha ritu starts. The sun (actually the earth) has then to stop for a fleeting moment---less than a nanosecond-- - before climbing down from that " high pedestal " of North declination! That fleeting moment is the real crucial moment and we can only " calculate " it correctly to some extent with our computers with microprocessor speeds in GHz that also only with the data from NASA and other overseas observatories and not from our panchanga-makers including the Rashtriya Panchanga! This very moment of " U-turn " in the declination of the sun is the real dakshinayana as the earth has reached the maximum declination of south or the sun the maximum declination of north viz. 23° 27' and has to turn back from there. This is also known as Karkata Sankranti of the sun as the sun lies directly over the tropic of Cancer (Karka-Rekha) on > that date. I am > > > > sure > > > > > everybody has read that much of geography in his primary school days! There cannot be any other Karkata Sankranti as per any shastra or sidhanta or modern astronomy/geography since there is no other Karka Rekha (Tropic of Cancer) or any other longest day of the year! > > > > > Similar is the case on December 21, when the sun reaches the maximum south declination (of around 23° 27') i.e. when the sun is at a maximum southern distance from the equator. It has to stop then for a fleeting moment---less than a nanosecond again--- before " turning " back (U-turn!) from that high pedestal. That fleeting moment is the real Uttarayana of the sun known as Makara Sankranti since the sun is directly on the tropic of Capricorn--- Makara-Rekha- --on that date. There is absolutely no other Makara Sankranti either as per the shastras or sidhantas or modern astronomy/geography since there is no other Makara-Rekha nor any other shortest day of the year! That also is primary school level geography! > > > > > Similarly, during its sojourn around the sun; the earth, the equator and the ecliptic join together for a fleeting moment---here also less than a nanosecond-- when the longitude, latitude, declination and right ascension of the sun/earth are zero! The sun (actually the earth) is in exact " conjunction " with the ecliptic and the equator! It is thus a " Triveni " and that is the moment of Spring Equinox. With the declination of the sun being zero degrees South it has to start moving away (cross the equator) again from that " conjunction of the equator " from that moment of zero degrees longitude-cum- latitude- cum-declination- cum-right ascension! It proceeds towards Northern declination and it is known as Uttaragola. That fleeting moment is Vishuva †" Mesha Sankranti of the sun (Tula Sankranti of the earth)! It is Vishuva because the earth is conjunct with the Vishuvat Rekha i.e. the Equator. That is the moment when days and > nights are really > > > > equal throughout > > > > > the globe. > > > > > That is the zero " moment/point " for all the calculations of longitude, Right Ascension, Declination etc. and it is known as Vernal Equinox. Vishuva also means, as per Jayaratha, the commentator of Tantraloka, the days when " days and nights are equal " . Spring Equinox also means the same thing i.e Equi-nox: day is equal to night in the midst of the spring season! This is the real Vaishakhi and the sun enters Uttara Gola then i.e. it starts gaining in northern declination! There is no other Vishuvat Rekha (Equator) with which the earth can be " conjunct " during Spring and therefore there cannot be any other Vishuva or Mesha Sankranti since day and night are not equal during Spring on any other day. All the panchangakars list Uttara-gola on that date but then why do they want us to celebrate Vaishakhi/Vaishakha di/Meshadi i.e. solar New Year on April 14/15!   Because they know that we do not know ABC of > geography! Or is it that > > > > they do not know it > > > > > themselves? > > > > > Then again after six months of that phenomenon, a similar situation comes again, when the longitude and Right ascension of the sun are 180 degrees (earth zero degrees). The longitude of the sun also can be taken as zero degrees on that date if we measure it from Autumn Equinox instead of from Vernal Equinox! The equator, the earth and the ecliptic have a confluence for a fleeting moment---less than a nanosecond-- -again! As the earth is conjunct the equator i.e. Vishuvat Rekha again, it is also known as Vishuva----Autumn Equinox (Jala Vishuva or Tula Sankranti) around September 23. It is the midpoint (second month) of the Sharat-ritu. (That is why Sharadiya Navaratras should start with the first Shukla Pratipat after Sharat Ritu starts---on September 15 in 2004†" and not when Sharat-kala is almost over†" October 14, 2004----as is being done by our panchangamakers) . > > > > > The declination of the sun is zero degrees at that particular moment. Again, all the panchangakars list it as " the sun enters dakshina gola " as the sun (after crossing the Equator) starts gaining southern declination from that moment. There cannot be any other Tula Sankranti/Jala Vishuva as the earth is not conjunct Equator---and thus the day and night are not equal---on any other day in Autumn! But then these panchangakars make us celebrate Tula Sankranti on October 14/15! Why? Only because they will lose their sinful crumbs if the tell us the facts! Or is it that they do not know the facts themselves? A sad state of affairs, in either case! > > > > > Naturally, in ancient times, it was almost impossible for ordinary mortals to calculate accurately to the nearest minute, leave alone the nearest second, such phenomena as lasted hardly for nanoseconds! Really, hats off to our Rishis! Obviously, our present " Vamadevas " and " Parasharas " who advocate such Mesha etc. sankrantis as do not exist at all, are a slur on the real Rishis and such fakes must be banished without delay from this land of real Rishis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Dear Bhattacharyaji, Please read the first para written in Dharma sindhu, which talks of Lunar seasons as being more important in dharma and karmas than the solar ones. Do not capitalise on your ignorance. Only sidhanta jyotish does not specifically mention the lunar seasons.But vedanga jyotish was mainly based on lunar months and seasons, because the year started with maagha sukla pratipada as being uttarayan.The word masa or month was itself derived from the moon.Since the seasons were expressed in terms of the months which were lunar,this resulted in the lunar seasons.This fact is confirmed by the dharma shatras. So please read them before trying to refute the facts. Solar seasons were also there during Vedanga jyotish, only as second priority.People who have no knowledge of the Purush being at the center of the lunar orbit, do not know the importance of the lunar months and the reason why the shastras give so much importance to them and the tithi dates.When there is lunar month and year, why not the lunar seasons between them? Hari Malla , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Unless one is living on the 'moon', Dada! > > Maybe in " Dwapara " when from the accounts given in Mahabharata for instance, technology was way advanced and so on ...! > > I heard that some rich person, Richard Bronson (?) is working on a project to make space travel possible with each ticket costing 200 million dollars! WOW! I wonder how many hungry children could be fed and cared for if even one of those rich people decided to " stay on earth " rather than make a quick trip to the moon to find that there are probably no seasons on moon! > > OY VAY!! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > It is nonsense to talk of lunar season. Season is always connected with the distance between the Sun and the Earth as the earth revolves round the Sun in the elliptical path. Shri Harimalla is strangely unaware of this. > > > > The Moon is the maker of the month and in that month the Moon moves through all the 27 nakshatras. So the attempt of some ignorant people to delink the lunar month from the Nakshatra is utterly foolish. > > I know there are many scholars in this forum who know this and may know astronomy much more than I know but it is intriguing as to why they are keeping mum. By educating the ignorant fellow members they would not lose anything and only earn gratitude.Regards, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > --- On Sun, 12/6/09, hari <harimalla@> wrote: > > > > hari <harimalla@> > > Re: Fwd: Meshadi and Tuladi > > > > Sunday, December 6, 2009, 4:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Darshaneylokeshji, > > > > Namskar! > > > > <4-The word  " lunar seasonâ€� in itself is a misnomer as  " vandhya putraâ€� (son of a vandhya lady). The word  " lunar seasonâ€� has got zero meaning. I hope you understand the meaning of meaning.> > > > > let me clarify that you are not aware of a subject which is taught in sanskrit universities under the heading of Dharma Shastra in addition to 'Jyotish' as a subject. Some text books involved in this course are Dharma sindhu, Kalamadhav, Nirnaya sindhu etc. > > > > So please get hold of one of these bookds and you will know that in Dharmic karmas, lunar seasons are given priority over th solar seasons. > > > > Since you talk of only solar seasons, you have read only jyotish books. So please reply only after you have consulted these books, which say the lunar seasons are to be given first priority over solar ones. The subject of each festivals is described in these books. So let us talk on festivals and timings only after we have read of the preliminary knowledge about them from these books. > > > > thanks, > > > > Hari Malla > > > > , " hari " <harimalla@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > parvasudhar2065, " hari " <harimalla@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Darshaneylokeshji, > > > > > <Plz Let me know, the things you are interested in coordinating and the common point of coordination. > > > > > > > > > > > The things that are to be coordinated is sayan sankranti and nirayan sankranti with the help of purnima tithi.All this is to be done without changing our traditional system of jyotish and dharma shastra.If you read Bharatiya jyotish of Shankar BK Dixit where there is discussion of shifting one month time when calendar is to be reformed, you will know aboout what is to be coordinated. it is coordinating the ideas of two stalwarts of the 19th century. Since people of these two camps were very good and learned people,it becomes much more easier to decide how to coordinate and what to coordinate. > > > > > since you are after the truth please study the above pages.thanks, > > > > > Hari Malla > > > > > > > > > > HinduCalendar, darshaney lokesh <darshaneylokesh@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri hari Malla ji, > > > > > >     Namestey. > > > > > >     Since, myself interested in truth and truth alone I’d like to clarify a few things to you, > > > > > >  > > > > > > 1-True panchanga can never be either sayan or nirayan or both or neither. Actually a panchanga (hence forth called as tithi patrak, it being more appropriate nomenclature) has nothing to do with Ayanamsha (what so ever it’s value may be) resulting from precession of equinoxes, as against common thinking. > > > > > >        2-You have been talking a lot of about coordinative approach. For coordination we must have at least two  things which needs to be coordinated having at least one point in common at which the things are to be coordinated. Plz Let me know, the things you are interested in coordinating and the common point of coordination. > > > > > > 3-  Your logic regarding oldness of a custom is also not valid since this  is the argument on wich Gaililio was trailed. At so may phases this argument has harmed the humanity very much. That is the reason that  Kalidas had to say,â€�Puranmittev na saadhu sarvam. .â€� An old custom, just because of its oldness, ca not be carried forward at least after getting known of its correctness. The same has been done for quite a few old customs. We have touched one of those. > > > > > > 4-The word  " lunar seasonâ€� in itself is a misnomer as  " vandhya putraâ€� ( son of a vandhya lady). The word  " lunar seasonâ€� has got zero meaning. I hope you understand the meaning of meaning. > > > > > > 5-Truth is alone; there can not be two ways to choose from. Truth is not a matter of choice. It is as such  " tat twam asiâ€�. When we choose, we choose either the most suitable or the least objectionable. Truth is neither that which is most suitable nor that which is most objectionable. > > > > > > 6-Definitely working together saves time. I request you to have a look of Shri Mohan Krity Aarsh Tithi Patrak. We too are looking forward for your cooperation if you come with your self amended form for which you require to follow some important   following points.. > > > > > > 7- I have put my mathematical explaination before all erudites. You have not touched that but still talking ‘nirayana’, ‘sayana’ due to your ‘nirayan attachments (Moh)’ and ‘sayana hate (vair)’as is evident from your statement,â€�Since you are also a man interested in the truth, may I request you to let people know of the alternate method to reform our calendar by the coordinative system, where the panchanga remains nirayan as it is the old custome " . Therefore, so far these two words are fetched in to the  brain   you may not be free from such ‘raag-dwesh’. You do not know that basing ‘ayanamsha’ right from 0 to 360 degrees will give relative measures only. E.g. Kathmandumay be at the distance of 10,100,500,1000 or any more Kms but from where? That ‘where’ talks of your ayanamsha. For true idea of it’s location, you will have to talk > > interms of Latitude and Longitudes. In this way zodical measurements are needed to be > > > > > > given on the basis of ‘Shar’ and ‘bhogamsha’ and initial ‘shar and bhogamshas’ are zero/zero. This ‘zero’ is free from the bases of your raag and dwesh. Ok? It is that raag and dwesh only due to which your replies are always- 1> Haste written and 2> Not proper since you do not even read the mail completely. > > > > > > 8 †" See your advise (what type of advise is this that  looks like an order?),â€�I am advising him to give another alternative to the public and quote the availability of the nirayana method too.â€� Sorry dear friend, I have calculated and framed the correct vedic calendar which is the outcome of my longest devotion of years together. It is not the mere matter of,â€� Since you are also a man interested in the. . .â€� but devotion of years together This language of your’s is very cheaper way for under rating my ‘total devotion’. If you do not amend yourself then I will have to amend myself by neglecting your mails. I am sure, By this way, we would save at least our time from being wasted. > > > > > >  > > > > > > 9- You have been talking a lot about the Sun being in Dhanishta at Uttarayan/Makar samkranti during VJ period. In his latest mail Shri Bhattacharya has also put some valid arguments. Can you please clearify if VJ people were able to Sun and Dhanishta simultaneously? Generally we can not see any star, other than the Sunwhile Sun is in the sky.If otherwise, then what is the meaning of Sun at Uttarayan/Makarsamk ranti in Dhanishta.Is it that Dhanishta was rising in east during the said samkranti or is it that Dhanishta was at Mid-haeaven in the night of that event? What else? > > > > > >      Hari ji, Nakshtras ar primarily related to moon and its’ orbital path and hence seen and recorded in relation to moon alone. Sun’s relation to nakshtrais depicted with the rising of stars at evening or early morning after tropical event like Vasant Sampat etc e.g. Margsheersh name of the star  signifies its’ importance. The star is supposed to be the sheers (i.e. head or the starting point )of the path of the Sun arrounf Earthwas the star rising in east after VE during early vedic period. This position was changed to Kritika, Rohini and Asvini in course of time. Presently the star is Uttarabhadrapad. Ultimately, I feel unless you will not understand delinks between rashis and nakshtras, it will remain very difficult for you to get rid of from your ‘Dhanishta riddle.      > > > > > > 10- And now a humble  request to every member of Hindu Calendar Group that the Arsh Tithi Patrak that I have produced is (from my side) a ‘correct’ one and very sincerely managed with my limited knowledge and guidance available to me. However,  it is not yet a ‘complete’ one. There are certain things in my mind which I am not going to disclose at this immature stage. Knowledgeable members  may please take it confiremed that any of the suggestion coming from them ( including Sunil K Bhattacharya ji)  will be sincerely attended to. If I found them correct I will certainly manage those suggestions. Please be with me learnedly but igolessly. > > > > > > Thanks. Aum Sham! > > > > > >  > > > > > > Acharya Darshaney Lokesh > > > > > > Editor, Shri Mohan Krity Aarsh Tithi Patrak > > > > > >  > > > > > > hari <harimalla@> > > > > > > HinduCalendar > > > > > > Thu, 12 November, 20095:08:38 PM > > > > > > [HinduCalendar] Re: MeshadI & Tuladi > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear shri Darshaneylokesh ji, > > > > > > Since you are also a man interested in the truth, may I request you to let people know of the alternate method to reform our calendar by the coordinative system, where the panchanga remains nirayan as it is the old custome. Let them know both the sayan method you are advocating and also the method I am trying to propagate. This will save our common time frame for reform, if we cooperate with each other in this way, so that the Hindus of India will get a chance to choose from the two methods. Thanks, > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Hari Malla > > > > > >  > > > > > > HinduCalendar, darshaney lokesh <darshaneylokesh@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Respected Kaul ji, > > > > > > > Namastey. > > > > > > > >I received today your post with cuttings from Amar Ujala and Dainik Jagran .There appears to be a steady uneasy feeling in the minds of general public that they are really celebrating their festivals on worng days. I am sure it will gather momentum and ultimately, " satyam eva jayate nanrtiam " > > > > > > > * Of course! As â€ˊ" Sarthee of the Satya’ (Satyya ke saarthee ke roop men) dedicated for doing that. The enclosed cuttings have been sent to more than 200 astrologers and panchanga makers since those  were giving nice coverage of the Chandausi Sammelan of Akhil Bhartiya Panchang Sudhar Samiti, > > > > > > > >Regarding the post " Meshadi & Tuladi " , I think it is the one that I am copying below from Hinducalendar forum. Pl. let me know. > > > > > > >*Definitely, it is the same. > > > > > > > It is to also let you know that the famous and quite relevant MATTHAADESH of Samvat 1929 is being reproduced in the SMKATP -2067 along with  three foot notes asking to the present param poojya shree that- > > > > > > >  1. The said MATTHAADESH is still standing or cancelled? > > > > > > >  2. If yes, then let us know the draft matter of the cancellation of the  MATTHAADESH. > > > > > > >  3. If not, then how the Panchangas are being observed and how the Festivals are being observed by the loyal devotees of the respected MATH. > > > > > > >  It is also brought in the notice of all concerning learned members of this group  that Sri Mohan Krity Arsh Tithi Patrak -2066, 2067 have been sent to almost all the MATHS through the Patrone, Shri Rahimal Prasad Tivari, Akhil Bhartiya Panchang Sudhar Samiti and following to that, Poojya Shankaracharya ji of Kanchipuram had called on me to his Ashram.. The invitation was  replied back asking for clear agenda of the meeting. Further reply from his holiness is awaited. I hope members will appreceiate and encourage my action. > > > > > > > This is in reply to an another mail received from you. > > > > > > > Thanks. Aum Sham. > > > > > > > Darshaney Lokesh, Genl Secretary, > > > > > > > Akhil Bhartiya Panchang Sudhar Samiti, > > > > > > > Primary School level Geography: Let us see the situation in the light of modern astronomy/geography . Initially, I was myself peeved as to why the ayana and vishuva (Makara, Mesha, Karkata and Tula) sankrantis had been praised to the skies by our Rishis, so much so that they say that it is difficult even for yogis to catch the actual moment of such sankrantis and any charities or fasts on such occasions yield thousand-fold results! > > > > > > > Let me explain it in a manner that is as non-technical as possible: > > > > > > > We know that the earth hurtles around the sun at about 30 kilometers per second. (2) It also rotates on its axis, causing days and nights (3) The equator is " precessing " at tremendous speeds. (4) Because the ecliptic is inclined to the equator (obliquity of ecliptic) the earth/sun reaches the minimum/maximum declination i.e. it is at the minimum/maximum distance from the equator during its revolution of the sun at particular points of time. The maximum obliquity of the ecliptic has remained around 23°28' over the last couple of centuries. Therefore that is the maximum north/south declination that the sun/earth can attain these days during its journey via the ecliptic. On that declination depends the phenomenon of seasons, which is also directly responsible for increase/decrease in day/night durations. The sun attains the maximum northern declination of about 23° 27' on June 21. > > That means it is at a maximum northern > > > > > > distance from the > > > > > > > equator on that date. That is thus the last day of the summer season when the day is the longest and varsha ritu starts. The sun (actually the earth) has then to stop for a fleeting moment---less than a nanosecond-- - before climbing down from that " high pedestal " of North declination! That fleeting moment is the real crucial moment and we can only " calculate " it correctly to some extent with our computers with microprocessor speeds in GHz that also only with the data from NASA and other overseas observatories and not from our panchanga-makers including the Rashtriya Panchanga! This very moment of " U-turn " in the declination of the sun is the real dakshinayana as the earth has reached the maximum declination of south or the sun the maximum declination of north viz. 23° 27' and has to turn back from there. This is also known as Karkata Sankranti of the sun as the sun lies directly over the tropic of Cancer (Karka-Rekha) on > > that date. I am > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > everybody has read that much of geography in his primary school days! There cannot be any other Karkata Sankranti as per any shastra or sidhanta or modern astronomy/geography since there is no other Karka Rekha (Tropic of Cancer) or any other longest day of the year! > > > > > > > Similar is the case on December 21, when the sun reaches the maximum south declination (of around 23° 27') i.e. when the sun is at a maximum southern distance from the equator. It has to stop then for a fleeting moment---less than a nanosecond again--- before " turning " back (U-turn!) from that high pedestal. That fleeting moment is the real Uttarayana of the sun known as Makara Sankranti since the sun is directly on the tropic of Capricorn--- Makara-Rekha- --on that date. There is absolutely no other Makara Sankranti either as per the shastras or sidhantas or modern astronomy/geography since there is no other Makara-Rekha nor any other shortest day of the year! That also is primary school level geography! > > > > > > > Similarly, during its sojourn around the sun; the earth, the equator and the ecliptic join together for a fleeting moment---here also less than a nanosecond-- when the longitude, latitude, declination and right ascension of the sun/earth are zero! The sun (actually the earth) is in exact " conjunction " with the ecliptic and the equator! It is thus a " Triveni " and that is the moment of Spring Equinox. With the declination of the sun being zero degrees South it has to start moving away (cross the equator) again from that " conjunction of the equator " from that moment of zero degrees longitude-cum- latitude- cum-declination- cum-right ascension! It proceeds towards Northern declination and it is known as Uttaragola. That fleeting moment is Vishuva †" Mesha Sankranti of the sun (Tula Sankranti of the earth)! It is Vishuva because the earth is conjunct with the Vishuvat Rekha i.e. the Equator. That is the moment when days and > > nights are really > > > > > > equal throughout > > > > > > > the globe. > > > > > > > That is the zero " moment/point " for all the calculations of longitude, Right Ascension, Declination etc. and it is known as Vernal Equinox. Vishuva also means, as per Jayaratha, the commentator of Tantraloka, the days when " days and nights are equal " . Spring Equinox also means the same thing i.e Equi-nox: day is equal to night in the midst of the spring season! This is the real Vaishakhi and the sun enters Uttara Gola then i.e. it starts gaining in northern declination! There is no other Vishuvat Rekha (Equator) with which the earth can be " conjunct " during Spring and therefore there cannot be any other Vishuva or Mesha Sankranti since day and night are not equal during Spring on any other day. All the panchangakars list Uttara-gola on that date but then why do they want us to celebrate Vaishakhi/Vaishakha di/Meshadi i.e. solar New Year on April 14/15!   Because they know that we do not know ABC of > > geography! Or is it that > > > > > > they do not know it > > > > > > > themselves? > > > > > > > Then again after six months of that phenomenon, a similar situation comes again, when the longitude and Right ascension of the sun are 180 degrees (earth zero degrees). The longitude of the sun also can be taken as zero degrees on that date if we measure it from Autumn Equinox instead of from Vernal Equinox! The equator, the earth and the ecliptic have a confluence for a fleeting moment---less than a nanosecond-- -again! As the earth is conjunct the equator i.e. Vishuvat Rekha again, it is also known as Vishuva----Autumn Equinox (Jala Vishuva or Tula Sankranti) around September 23. It is the midpoint (second month) of the Sharat-ritu. (That is why Sharadiya Navaratras should start with the first Shukla Pratipat after Sharat Ritu starts---on September 15 in 2004†" and not when Sharat-kala is almost over†" October 14, 2004----as is being done by our panchangamakers) . > > > > > > > The declination of the sun is zero degrees at that particular moment. Again, all the panchangakars list it as " the sun enters dakshina gola " as the sun (after crossing the Equator) starts gaining southern declination from that moment. There cannot be any other Tula Sankranti/Jala Vishuva as the earth is not conjunct Equator---and thus the day and night are not equal---on any other day in Autumn! But then these panchangakars make us celebrate Tula Sankranti on October 14/15! Why? Only because they will lose their sinful crumbs if the tell us the facts! Or is it that they do not know the facts themselves? A sad state of affairs, in either case! > > > > > > > Naturally, in ancient times, it was almost impossible for ordinary mortals to calculate accurately to the nearest minute, leave alone the nearest second, such phenomena as lasted hardly for nanoseconds! Really, hats off to our Rishis! Obviously, our present " Vamadevas " and " Parasharas " who advocate such Mesha etc. sankrantis as do not exist at all, are a slur on the real Rishis and such fakes must be banished without delay from this land of real Rishis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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