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parvasudhar2065 , " hari " <harimalla wrote:

 

Dear Darshaneylokeshji,

Namskar! Let me deal with your quories more carefully this time.

<I would like to make it very clear that the time itself even a fraction of a

second is created only by the ever prevailing relationship of sun and the earth.

Moon is none where in context .

We also know that the Moon has no light of it's own and that it

revolves around the earth only.>

 

Yes time is created by the earth and its motions but the moon helps us to

overcome time and reach eternal life we call as mokshya in dharma shastra.This

is done by the discovery of the bary center of the earth and the moon which is

the Purush or God.It is mentioned in Kala Madhav about the Purush as the center

oftheluarn month. This is the very reason why all our festivals are celebrated

on the basis of the tithis and not the solar dates.do you not know this?

Yes the moon appears to revolve around the earth. But if you study higher

science than the shool geography that you know, you will know that the earth and

the moon both go around another point, which is the bary center, every month.

The center of the monthly earth wobble(bary center) is also known in our

religion as Shiva Linga. The 12 lunar months in one year makes possible the 12

jyotir linga, which is spread over Bharatvarsha. Bharat 'varsha' in the puranic

language means the solar year. Jyotir linga is a Shaiva concept of the bary

center.These are also known as 12 Adityas in the vaishnava concept.

 

<By renaming the Chaitra as Vaisakh on the every year of need  we ca modulateÂ

our time being solution in the calendar but think it seriously, it will be

just next to impossible for you to trace out the date of a long past i.e. 200,

300. 400...... and son years back. One by one but nomalies will reamain there

unavoidable.>

 

There crops up no problem at all, as you say. After naming chaitra as vaisakh,we

can keep history as to when the reformation was done. By keeping this history of

30 degree shift each 2150 years,we can always keep the records of any time in

history as we have always been doing with the help of ayanamsa. The new Mesh

becomes the epochal mesh and with respect to original mesh, we can keep the

difference as 30, 60, 90 degrees etc.every 2150 years or so and divide the great

year of 25800 years into 12 shift of epochal months. In fact our dharma shastra

has intended to mean by the word manawantar - to mean such epochal monthly

shifts.They have assumed 14 shifts and called them as 14 manwantars.This was due

to the shift assumed to be every 27 degrees of ayanamsa, which is with respect

to the sidereal lunar months of 27 days.

 

<So,Ritus (Season) and say every thing related to the life on earth is not

effected by any star other than the

Sun. >

This is genearally speaking quite true . But what you have forgotten is that

the star world of naksyatras is the home of the sun, since the sun is only of

one of the many stars.The knowledge of the stars is necessary to know the home

of the sun.Thus the star world is known as the 'turia' heaven in our phlospphy.

When the sun is experienced as member of the star world this is known as

'Sayujya' mokshya which has been mentioned in surya sidhanta too, towards the

end of the book.The mention of 'Tat sabitur vareniyam' in our gayatri mantra, is

the sun with respet to the stars only eternally fixed, not the sun we see rising

and setting every day, illusion caused by our 'earthly' vision.

 

 

<7- I have put my mathematical explaination before all erudites. You have not

touched that but still talking ‘nirayana’, ‘sayana’ due to your

‘nirayan attachments (Moh)’ and ‘sayana hate (vair)’as is evident from

your statement,†Since you are also a man interested in the truth, may I

request you to let people know of the alternate method to reform our calendar by

the coordinative system, where the panchanga remains nirayan as it is the old

custome“. Therefore, so far these two words are fetched in to the  brain  Â

you may not be free from such ‘raag-dwesh’. You do not know that basing

‘ayanamsha’ right from 0 to 360 degrees will give you relative measures

only. E.g. Kathmandu may be at the distance of 10,100,500,1000 or any more Kms

but from where? That ‘where’ talks of your ayanamsha. For true idea of

it’s location, you will have to talk interms of Latitude and Longitudes. In

this way zodical measurements are needed

> to be given on the basis of ‘Shar’ and ‘bhogamsha’ and initial

‘shar and bhogamshas’ are zero/zero. This ‘zero’ is free from the bases

of your raag and dwesh. Ok? It is that raag and dwesh only due to which your

replies are always-

1> Haste written and

2> Not proper since you do not seem to have  even    read the mail

completely.>

My nirayan attachment is the vedic attacment.Our system was always nirayan

shown even by Vedanga jyotish.We should not pretend to be cleverer than the

vedic rishis.

The zero point is started from epoch to epoch at various times with each nirayan

sakranitis month after month. AS we at present take Mesh sankranti as the

starting point, we can shift this mesh calling the new epochal mesh as the

nirayan epochal VE. thenew epochal mesh as compared to the original mesh will

have the difference of 30 60, 90, 120 degrees etc say, about every two thousand

one hundred and fifty years.If at present we shift the nirayn mesh by 30

degrees, the new ayanamsa becomes about (-)6 degrees. This serves as the new

nirayan longitudes.

It will take some more time for you to understand all these things I have said.

But you must be seriously interested to understand and also be persistently

discussing with me. Shri AK Kaulji said his patience got exhausted, when he

reached near the truth.

Have you read the proposal of Bal gangadhar Tilak and the refutation of SB dixit

in the Bharatiya jyotish? I again request you to do so , since many of your

confusion will vanish then.

When you think my letters are haste written, I am taking only the main points,

so your confusion is removed at the root.When you correct the main concept many

of your other concepts get corrected by themselves. Thus I do not feel the need

to answer all the questions all at once, both major and minor. If firstly the

major points are clarified, then the minor can be taken care of later on.

So much for today.Tahnk ;you for your patience.

Regards,

Hari Malla

 

HinduCalendar , darshaney lokesh <darshaneylokesh@> wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear Shri Hari Mlla ji, Namastey.

>          Is it really that you think a person who has devoted his

20 years to calendar reform

> and have now come to finalise his proposal for the true vedic calendar would

have not gone

> through the Dharm Sinndhu and Nirnay sindhu . . . . .?

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Is it that your unclear concept of Dharmshashtr is weighing

more in comparision to that of Pujya Paad Shringeri Shankaracharya ji Maharaj of

Samvat 2029 who after thorogh study of all relevent matters and have already

proclaimed Niryana system not fit for religiously bent hindus since it cannot

give us right  tithis for celebrations of our festivals?

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Is it not that Shri SB Dixit has not taken a trustworthy supprt

of that 'Mathadesh' and

> published that in his famous work ' Bhartiya Jyotish' ? For what purpose he

has done so?

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Now you are emphasizing on 'Tradition', Could you kindly clarify

that Vedic tradion up to Munjal was more proper or after Munjal is more

proper? so for Planetary calculations are of concern, what is the difference

between the two? How can that difference be taken into account in deciding a

true vedic calasnder?

> Â Â Â Â Â Â You were suggested to submit a calendar of your opinion, at least

for one or two months, to enable us understanding exactly what you mean to say.

Donot you feel your

> irresponsibility by not doing that so far?

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Regarding your unnecesary talks of Lunar Seasons for calendar

purpose I have already

> gien my views and answer from yours' is still awaited. These views are

reproduced here under -

> " Â Â Despite of my best regards to him, I am bound to reveal you the fact that

he has little understanding of impaact of precession of equinox. Note that a

day i.e. Dinman and a night i.e. Ratriman are the UNITS of Months, then Ritus,

then Ayans and then finally of the Varsh i.e. years.

> Â Â Â Â Â Â As we all know that theses days and nights are caused by 'On axis

rotation of the earth ( in front of the Sun) and Ritus are caused by movements

of the same earth but on it's ecliptical  path around the Sun. Likewise the

Ayans are caused by maximum south (Uttarayan) and North (Daxinayan) declination

with relation to the Sun. The Sun and the earth are only the base elements of

day and nights and not the Moon. I would like to make it very clear that the

time itself even a fraction of a second is created only by the ever prevailing

relationship of sun and the earth. Moon is none where in context .In this

connection remember able is a famous reply of our ex President Dr APJ Abdul

Kalam to the question put by some one politician that whether the President

would like to have fixed an auspicious muhurth for his swearing as President ofÂ

the country? The Moon is contextive but in Tithis, Eclipses, yogas like

Vyatipaat and Vaidhriti and lunar

> month including Adhi or Kshya months.

>          We also know that the Moon has no light of it's own and  Â

that it revolves around the earth only. With the Moon creates only tithis from

1st to 15th (BFN) and 16th to 30th(DFN) Duration of these tithis or Moon Rise

and Moon Set does not give us any Day or Night i.e. Dinman or Ratriman. and

thus this Luna i.e. the Moon cannot give us the Seasons and Ayans as the way the

Sun gives. Neither at reaching it's Zero declination Moon can give us equal Day

and Night duration nor at it's maximum declination it can give us the extended

day/night or shortned night/day. Neither we can do it's Chhayendu Sadhan nor we

can observe any Lats and Longs with the help of Moon. Rigved clearifies that the

Sungoverns the earth and not the

> moon, " UXAADADHARPRITHIVIMUDYAAM. "

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â More over much talked Ayanamsha is a total precesion

 of the ayan and that has nothing to do for calendar making. By renaming the

Chaitr as Vaisakh on the every year of need  we ca modulate our time being

solution in the calendar but think it seriously, it will be just next to

impossible for you to trace out the date of a long past i.e. 200, 300.

400...... and son years back. One by one but nomalies will reamain there

unavoidable.

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â The concept of NIRAYANA ( I call it niraadhar) proclaims that

the earth revolves around the Chitra Taara and not that of the sun. When earth

crosses the midway

> line of the said Chitra tara and enters from North to South or South to North

it fixes the starting points of the Mesha and Tula . Now please mind it that

the said taara is

> 260 LY far from our Sun and is beyond two degree south of the ecliptic.

So,Ritus (Season) and say every thing related to the life on earth is not

effected by any star other than the

> Sun. To trade on the Nirayana or even Sayana is nothing but  " Andhainaiv

neeyamaana yatha andhah " . Option is open for what to do or what not to do " .Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â and now last two point of this mail -

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Please note that Nirayana aspects of the ecliptic, since

niradhar, are not 'Drik tulya' and hence question does not arise of any

coordination for the purpose of a true vedic panchang.

>        What about NINE (very specialy the 7th) oteher points of my

privious and the subject mail?

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Thanks. Aum Sham !

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

            Darshaney Lokesh

> > > HinduCalendar, darshaney lokesh

>

> Â Shri hari Malla ji, Namestey.

>     Since, myself interested in truth and truth alone I’d like to

clarify a few things to you -

> Â

> 1- True panchanga can never be either sayan or nirayan or both or neither.

Actually a panchanga (hence forth called as tithi patrak, it being more

appropriate nomenclature) has nothing to do with Ayanamsha (what so ever it’s

value may be) resulting from precession of equinoxes, as against common

thinking.

> Â

> 2- You have been talking a lot of about coordinative approach. For

coordination we must have at least two  things which needs to be coordinated

having at least one point in common at which the things are to be coordinated.

Plz Let me know, the things you are interested in coordinating and the common

point of coordination.

> Â

> 3-  Your logic regarding oldness of a custom is also not valid since this Â

is the arguement on wich Gaililio was trailed. At so may phases this arguement

has harmed the humanity very much. That is the reason that  Kalidas had to

say,â€Puranmittev na saadhu sarvam. .†An old custom, just because of its

oldness, a thing canot be carried forward at least after getting known of its

correctness.The same has been done for quite a few old customs. We have touched

one of those.

> Â

> 4- The word “lunar season†in itself is a misnomer as “vandhya putraâ€

( son of a vandhya lady). The word “lunar season†has got zero meaning. I

hope you understand the meaning of meaning.

> Â

> 5- Truth is alone; there can not be two ways to choose from. Truth is not a

matter of choice. It is as such “tat twam asiâ€. When we choose, we choose

either the most suitable or the least objectionable. Truth is neither that which

is most suitable nor that which is most objectionable.

> Â

> 6- Definitely working together saves time. I request you to have a look of

Shri Mohan Krity Aarsh Tithi Patrak. We too are looking forward for your

cooperation if you come with your self amended form for which you require to

follow ,following, important, points..

> Â

> 7- I have put my mathematical explaination before all erudites. You have not

touched that but still talking ‘nirayana’, ‘sayana’ due to your

‘nirayan attachments (Moh)’ and ‘sayana hate (vair)’as is evident from

your statement,†Since you are also a man interested in the truth, may I

request you to let people know of the alternate method to reform our calendar by

the coordinative system, where the panchanga remains nirayan as it is the old

custome“. Therefore, so far these two words are fetched in to the  brain  Â

you may not be free from such ‘raag-dwesh’. You do not know that basing

‘ayanamsha’ right from 0 to 360 degrees will give you relative measures

only. E.g. Kathmandu may be at the distance of 10,100,500,1000 or any more Kms

but from where? That ‘where’ talks of your ayanamsha. For true idea of

it’s location, you will have to talk interms of Latitude and Longitudes. In

this way zodical measurements are needed

> to be given on the basis of ‘Shar’ and ‘bhogamsha’ and initial

‘shar and bhogamshas’ are zero/zero. This ‘zero’ is free from the bases

of your raag and dwesh. Ok? It is that raag and dwesh only due to which your

replies are always-

> Â Â Â Â 1> Haste written and

>     2> Not proper since you do not seem to have  even    read the

mail completely.

> Â

> 8 †" See your advise (what type of advise is this that  looks like an

order?),†I am advising him to give another alternative to the public and

quote the availability of the nirayana method too.†Sorry dear friend, I have

calculated and framed the correct vedic calendar which is the outcome of my

longest devotion of years together. It is not the mere matter of,†Since you

are also a man interested in the. . .†but devotion of years together This

language of your’s is very cheaper way for under rating my ‘total

devotion’. If you do not amend yourself then, please,  I will have to amend

myself by neglecting your mails. I am sure, By this way, we would save at least

our time from being wasted.

> Â

> 9- You have also been talking a lot about the Sun being in Dhanishta at

Uttarayan/Makar samkranti during VJ period. In his latest mail Shri Bhattacharya

has also put some valid arguments. Can you please clearify if VJ people were

able to see Sun and Dhanishta simultaneously? Generally we can not see any star,

other than the Sun while Sun is in the sky. If otherwise, then what is the

meaning of Sun at Uttarayan/Makarsamkranti in Dhanishta.Is it that Dhanishta was

rising in east during the said samkranti or is it that Dhanishta was at

Mid-haeaven in the night of that event? What else?

>      Hari ji, Nakshtras are primarily related to moon and its’ orbital

path and hence seen and recorded in relation to moon alone. Sun’s relation to

nakshtrais depicted with the rising of stars at evening or early morning after

tropical event like Vasant Sampat etc e.g. Margsheersh name of the star Â

signifies its’ importance. The star is supposed to be the sheers (i.e. head or

the starting point )of the path of the Sun arround Earth was the star rising in

east, after VE, Â during early vedic period. This position was changed to

Kritika, Rohini and Asvini in course of time. Presently the star is

Uttarabhadrapad. Ultimately, I feel unless you will not understand delinks

between rashis and nakshtras, it will remain very difficult for you to get rid

of from your ‘Dhanishta riddle.

> Â Â Â Â Â Â

> 10- And now a humble  request to every member of Hindu Calendar Group that

the Arsh Tithi Patrak that I have produced is (from my side) a ‘correct’

one and very sincerely managed with my limited knowledge and guidance available

to me. However,  it is not yet a ‘complete’ one. There are certain things

in my mind which I am not going to disclose at this immature stage.

Knowledgeable members  may please take it confiremed that any of the suggestion

coming from them ( including Sunil K Bhattacharya ji) Â will be sincerely

attended to. If I found them correct I will certainly manage those suggestions.

Please be with me learnedly but igolessly.

> Thanks. Aum Sham!

> Â

> Acharya Darshaney Lokesh

> Editor, Shri Mohan Krity Aarsh Tithi Patrak

> Â

> hari <harimalla@>

> HinduCalendar

> Thu, 12 November, 2009 5:08:38 PM

> [HinduCalendar] Re: MeshadI & Tuladi

>

> Dear shri Darshaneylokesh ji,

> Since you are also a man interested in the truth, may I request you to let

people know of the alternate method to reform our calendar by the coordinative

system, where the panchanga remains nirayan as it is the old custome. Let them

know both the sayan method you are advocating and also the method I am trying to

propagate. This will save our common time frame for reform, if we cooperate with

each other in this way, so that the Hindus of India will get a chance to choose

from the two methods. Thanks,

> Regards,

> Hari Malla

> Â

> HinduCalendar, darshaney lokesh <darshaneylokesh@

....> wrote:

>

> >  Respected Kaul ji,

> >Â Namastey.

> > >I received today your post with cuttings from Amar Ujala and Dainik Jagran

..There appears to be a steady uneasy feeling in the minds of general public that

they are really celebrating their festivals on worng days. I am sure it will

gather momentum and ultimately, " satyam eva jayate nanrtiam "

> > * Of course! As ‘Sarthee of the Satya’ (Satyya ke saarthee ke

roop men) dedicated for doing that. The enclosed cuttings have been sent to more

than 200 astrologers and panchanga makers since those  were giving nice

coverage of the Chandausi Sammelan of Akhil Bhartiya Panchang Sudhar Samiti,ÂÂ

> >Â >Regarding the post " Meshadi & Tuladi " , I think it is the one that I am

copying below from Hinducalendar forum. Pl. let me know.

> >*Definitely, it is the same.

> >Â It is to also let you know that the famous and quite relevant MATTHAADESH

of Samvat 1929 is being reproduced in the SMKATP -2067 along with  three foot

notes asking to the present param poojya shree that-

> >Â Â 1. The said MATTHAADESH is still standing or cancelled?

> >Â Â 2. If yes, then let us know the draft matter of the cancellation of the

 MATTHAADESH.

> >Â Â 3. If not, then how the Panchangas are being observed and how the

Festivals are being observed by the loyal devotees of the respected MATH.

> >  It is also brought in the notice of all concerning learned members of

this group  that Sri Mohan Krity Arsh Tithi Patrak -2066, 2067 have been sent

to almost all the MATHS through the Patrone, Shri Rahimal Prasad Tivari, Akhil

Bhartiya Panchang Sudhar Samiti and following to that, Poojya Shankaracharya

ji of Kanchipuram had called on me to his Ashram.. The invitation was

 replied back asking for clear agenda of the meeting. Further reply from his

holiness is awaited. I hope members will appreceiate and encourage my action.

> >Â This is in reply to an another mail received from you.

> >Â Thanks. Aum Sham.

> >Â Darshaney Lokesh, Genl Secretary,

> >Â Akhil Bhartiya Panchang Sudhar Samiti

Â

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