Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Saheb Ji, I have to wait for another six months .... C.S. Raindramani On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 7:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vaniwrote: > > > Gopi_dada, > > Regardless of your biological age, you sound like a wise elder brother > hence I am taking the liberty of addressing you as Dada! > > What I wrote or always write is very ordinary jyotish and nothing fancy. > > And, surrender is never a loss! It is a very deliberate and powerful act of > FREE-WILL that we human beings have been given as our most potent KAVACH of > eternal security! I TRULY Believe in that for I HAVE personally experienced > how powerful SURRENDER can be! > > My purpose in participating in these forums is not to get a 'rise', nor to > attract clients or chelas or to plump my feathers, or to beat up on others! > My goal also is not to elevate Jyotish from where it is to where I feel it > should be! There are many others who have chosen to bear that cross and > kudos to them! > > As I promised you, God-willing, I will tell you come July 2010. Right now, > even if I describe, explain, my words will not mean anything to you or not > penetrate! Please trust my judgment on this matter :-) > > > Rohiniranjan > > <%40>, > " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > // It has a strong-hold on the two most important houses in KPC! Earning > > is KARM's dhanwhile KARM is where one invests earnings, sometimes to > > lose! The 10-11 thing instandard jyotish!// > > i always lose.Can you please elaborate?KPC?... > > regards, > > gopi. > > <%40>, > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gopiji! > > > > > > SURRENDER is the most difficult and ABSOLUTELY THE SUPREME CHOICE! If > > we were not such hard-nosed, hard-headed bunch here on Internet, by now > > you would have found an idol of yours created on this highway and the > > gaon-walas arriving daily to pay homage to you! > > > > > > I am hardly what you may consider as a jyotishi or even scholar but I > > would urge all beginners to pay attention to Saturn! High or Low, weak > > or strong -- It has a strong-hold on the two most important houses in > > KPC! Earning is KARM's dhan while KARM is where one invests earnings, > > sometimes to lose! The 10-11 thing in standard jyotish! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > <%40>, > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > //Your choice!// > > > > I have no choice wat so ever,but your wish.... > > > > in fact as you might have seen i have removed the post to edit.At > > that > > > > moment the power was off.What choice i have had?My life goes on in > > > > SURRENDER not by choice(so called). > > > > My post was supposed to be read//ha..ha...the problem is i dont > > > > think(like others).When i sincerely/seriously asked myself LONG AGO > > why > > > > i should think what others want me to think the whole thinking > > almost > > > > gone and LIVING began which the thinking process can not explain in > > > > words..... > > > > probably and astrologically Sat exalted/vargottama in 2nd aspd by > > jup > > > > from 10th have had to do something about it along with 2nd lord with > > > > ketu..... > > > > -gopi. > > > > <%40>, > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hmm... > > > > > > > > > > In that case Gopi_ji, > > > > > > > > > > You should stop asking but switch to telling and sharing! > > > > > > > > > > Sharing with all what arrives at your soul and which is but to be > > > > given away and shared! > > > > > > > > > > Try this for six months and then come back and FRAP me if it does > > not > > > > work positively for you! > > > > > > > > > > But no contact at all for the next six months with me or my > > thoughts > > > > or reading or responding to my postings and messages here or > > anywhere > > > > else -- until oh let us say First of July 2010 -- the independence > > day > > > > of my current reality! > > > > > > > > > > Your choice! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > ha..ha...the problem is i dont think(like others).When i > > sincerely > > > > asked > > > > > > myself why i should think what others want me to think the whole > > > > > > thinking almost gone and LIVING began which the thinking process > > can > > > > not > > > > > > explain in words..... > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > <%40>, > " rohinicrystal " > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think of yourself as a jet-pilot in the cockpit of a plane > > with no > > > > > > windows or a security person in the monitoring room. All reality > > > > coming > > > > > > to your senses through scopes, monitors and gauges! Big time > > > > > > transduction city! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the scopes are not well-tuned and clean, the in-coming > > > > information > > > > > > will be garbled and give a false sense of reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a second, even your five senses that you believe > > > > directly > > > > > > interact with reality is an illusion and can get fooled very > > easily. > > > > If > > > > > > you have ever had to go to a dentist and he or she anesthetized > > your > > > > > > mouth -- when afterwards you tried to drink water from a cup, > > you > > > > would > > > > > > get the distinct feeling that the edge of the cup was broken! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR-, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > " gopalakrishna " > > gopi_b927@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also a good one!!...one cant fix 'scope' for REALITY though > > > > Reality > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > be in the perception.May be that makes a difference.The > > duality > > > > of > > > > > > > > differerence is also REALITY.....I dont seek IT because it > > is > > > > in > > > > > > front > > > > > > > > and also everywhere... > > > > > > > > HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REALITY SHALL ALWAYS BE IN THE PERCEPTION! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't seek REALITY, before you have fixed the 'Scope' that > > > > enables > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > to have PERCEPTION ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > " gopalakrishna " > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > > //I believe every Soul is inherently Divine and WILL > > > > > > > > > > eventually find its way back to where it belongs. > > > > > > > > > > " Nothing Real Can Be Threatened, > > > > > > > > > > Nothing Unreal Exists, > > > > > > > > > > Therein Lies The Peace of God " . > > > > > > > > > > -A Course in Miracles.// > > > > > > > > > > good one indeed.... > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > Manoj Chandran > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My views are not Exciting - but more traditional and > > > > boring. > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > commenting about a religion that is not mine and some > > thing > > > > that > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > not researched thoroughly, I prefer to be just that > > - > > > > > > > > traditional > > > > > > > > > > and boring. As some one who does research R & D for a > > living, > > > > I > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > that even after carefully controlled experiments and > > > > trials, > > > > > > > > > > Engineers and Scientists go wrong. All this even when > > every > > > > > > thing is > > > > > > > > > > painfully and thoroughly documented. In Cases such > > as > > > > these, > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > the " said events " have happened thousands of years ago, > > when > > > > > > > > Authorship > > > > > > > > > > of documents is not easily attributable (is this > > really > > > > a > > > > > > word?) > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the legitimate owner, it may be prudent to let things > > lie > > > > the > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > are. Ofcourse, just my boring opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You indeed have raised some valid points. The newly > > > > discovered > > > > > > > > Gospel > > > > > > > > > > of Thomas is indeed quite different from the traditonal > > > > Gospels > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Luke, > > > > > > > > > > Mark etc. It gives quite a different view of Jesus. > > > > Ofcourse > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > they have not been sactioned by the Church, they will > > not be > > > > > > > > accepted by > > > > > > > > > > traditional Chistianity. So it is really up to > > Christians if > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > to research that more. Thats where I leave that > > argument. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But ultimately I don't put much emotions in to these > > > > > > questions, > > > > > > > > > > because from my simplistic point of view, I believe > > every > > > > Soul > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > inherently Divine and WILL eventually find its way back > > to > > > > where > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > belongs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Nothing Real Can Be Threatened, > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing Unreal Exists, > > > > > > > > > > > Therein Lies The Peace of God " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -A Course in Miracles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > To: <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, December 28, 2009 8:44:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: East, Direction of > > Religion ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant_jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " Mayavini " realm of movies (even the > > " documentaries " > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 'docu-dramas' ) must always be taken with a 'pinch of > > salt!' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you have seen the BLOCKBUSTER movie of the > > last > > > > > > decade: > > > > > > > > > > GANDHI! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Movie-makers always have a creative license because > > they > > > > are > > > > > > > > creating > > > > > > > > > > a salable product! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SALT is not inconsequential! It can bring down > > KINGDOMS as > > > > we > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > seen! And it completely destroys appetite and taste! If > > > > there is > > > > > > > > none or > > > > > > > > > > even if there is too much! And not good for 'plumbing' > > > > either!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " prashant " > > > > <praspandey@ > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < However, I have to disagree with your > > comment > > > > about > > > > > > " His > > > > > > > > > > teachings were completely Vedic " . I have read the > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > and I don't see any thing " Vedic " in it. Christianity is > > > > > > primarily a > > > > > > > > > > religion of Grace. Quite different from Vedic teaching > > and > > > > the > > > > > > > > theory of > > > > > > > > > > Karma. Infact they are poles apart. And also He was much > > > > more > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > a " Nice Soul " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very happy to get your so EXCITING - VIEWS, and > > > > would > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > say THANK YOU for giving me opportunity to write more > > > > clearly > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to firstly take quotes from Bhavisya > > Purana > > > > > > > > (19:28-30) > > > > > > > > > > about Jesus Christ to put here . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " mlecchasa sthapito dharmo maya tacchrnu bhupate > > > > > > > > > > > > manasam nirmalam krtva malam dehe subhasubham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > naigamam japamasthaya japeta nirmalam param > > > > > > > > > > > > nyayena satyavacasaa manasyaikena manavah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhyanena pujayedisam surya-mandala- samsthitam > > > > > > > > > > > > acaloyam prabhuh sakshat- atha suryocalah sada " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Translation of above VERSES are as below :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Please hear Oh king which religious principles I > > have > > > > > > > > established > > > > > > > > > > among the mlecchas. The living entity is subject to good > > and > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > contaminations. The mind should be purified by taking > > > > recourse > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > proper > > > > > > > > > > conduct and performance of japa. By chanting the holy > > names > > > > one > > > > > > > > attains > > > > > > > > > > the highest purity. Just as the immovable sun attracts, > > from > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > directions, the elements of all living beings, the Lord > > of > > > > the > > > > > > solar > > > > > > > > > > region, who is fixed and all-attractive, attracts the > > hearts > > > > of > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > living creatures. Thus by following rules, speaking > > truthful > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > mental harmony and by meditation, Oh descendant of Manu, > > one > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > worship that immovable Lord'. " (Bhavishya Purana > > 19:27-30.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Link is below:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.salagram .net/Jesus- Went-To-India. > > htm#You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have taken those above VERSES and its translation > > from > > > > one > > > > > > > > site, > > > > > > > > > > so no manipulation from my-side in translation. Now pl > > > > everybody > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > that according to the VERSES Jesus has talked of Sun-God > > and > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the main God of Rig-Vaidik Aryans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now we should also look into recent findings of > > > > > > archaeologist in > > > > > > > > > > QUMRAN Region ie near to Northern of DEAD-SEA(Jordan) . > > > > > > > > Archaeologists > > > > > > > > > > have found some documents there which have been remain > > > > untouched > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > 300 BCE and those documents were called as " The Dead Sea > > > > > > scrolls " > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > those are basically " Hebrew Bible " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those were written by the priests of ESSENES > > community > > > > of > > > > > > Qumran > > > > > > > > > > region ie " Teacher of Righteousness " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting things is that some running philosophy > > of > > > > Holy > > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > just opposite of old Testament which have been found in > > that > > > > > > region > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > and some beliefs and theology from that HOLY BIBLE are > > as > > > > below > > > > > > :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Their theology included belief in the immortality > > of > > > > the > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > that they would receive their souls back after death. > > Part > > > > of > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > activities included purification by water rituals, > > > > > > > > > > > > which was supported by rainwater catchment and > > storage. > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not manipulated above views, those are > > written by > > > > > > 80-90% > > > > > > > > > > scholars who studied it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above written lines conatin, basically Vaidik > > > > rituals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already said that Bible teachings were completely > > > > Vaidic > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > nature > > > > > > > > > > but later Romans with Greeks, perverted it and wrote > > them > > > > > > according > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > their will. And now the many scholars from CHRISTIAN > > > > Community > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > and give abuses to VATICANS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Roman ruler of 4'th century AD ie Constantine > > was > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > totally under influence of Vaidik tradition ie of > > > > Mithras(Mitra > > > > > > God) > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Sun God but St Paul changed the Bible just to get hold > > over > > > > > > Europe > > > > > > > > > > according to their theology of meat eating, no soul and > > > > > > sentiments > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > animals and no incarnation theory related to KARMA and > > made > > > > > > > > teachings of > > > > > > > > > > Jesus Christ illogical as the ppl who read Bible say > > that > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > strong gap in views of Gospels of Jesus(Manipulated one > > by > > > > > > > > > > Romans+Greeks) which have been posed by Romans in 4'th > > > > Century > > > > > > AD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They (Vaticans) not only manipulated the Jesus > > Christ > > > > > > teachings > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > also aired false theory of Aryan Invasion, now it has > > been > > > > > > > > completely > > > > > > > > > > refuted in open discussions in many forums. Still they > > are > > > > > > abusing > > > > > > > > > > ancient religions by sitting in that top university of > > WEST. > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > Pingree, Romila Thapar and Michael Witzel come in the > > same > > > > > > category. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > Chandran > > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant Ji and All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would urge interested people to watch the Movie > > > > " Jesus > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > India " . Coincidentally I watched it just yesterday > > > > and it > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > an interesting view on this contreversial subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I have to disagree with your > > comment > > > > about > > > > > > > > " His > > > > > > > > > > teachings were completely Vedic " . I have read the > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > and I don't see any thing " Vedic " in it. Christianity is > > > > > > primarily a > > > > > > > > > > religion of Grace. Quite different from Vedic teaching > > and > > > > the > > > > > > > > theory of > > > > > > > > > > Karma. Infact they are poles apart. And also He was much > > > > more > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > a " Nice Soul " . > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant <praspandey@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, December 24, 2009 6:55:29 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > East, Direction of > > Religion ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < wikipedica says once young Jesus visited India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some words for Great Jesus Christ:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He was a nice soul and his teachings were > > completely > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > and he > > > > > > > > > > was in India not for short period but for 10 years and > > he > > > > was > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > Himalaya. About him there is mention in some Puranas. > > Bible > > > > also > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > same, Pl refer to Old Testament not to Manipulated one > > which > > > > was > > > > > > > > done by > > > > > > > > > > Romans Catholics. But now stories have been manipulated > > and > > > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > written in New Manipulated Bible that he sent his > > disciple > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He born in Iraq and learn Vaidik ways of teachings > > > > from > > > > > > Iraq > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > later from main source ie EAST (Bharat). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Roman-Catholics of Veticans changed his > > teachings > > > > in > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > about 400 AD just to get hold of Europe where, there was > > > > VEDIC > > > > > > > > Dharma > > > > > > > > > > and crushed it later and it is evident from ancient > > ETRUSCAN > > > > > > > > > > CIVILIZATION now it is no more there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Romulus was nice fellow and he was > > influenced > > > > by > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > civilization which was there in Italy in the name of > > > > ETRUSCAN ( > > > > > > > > > > Descendant of Vaidik Atri Rishi) and Italy name is in > > the > > > > name > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > civilization. Romans initially also made temples in the > > name > > > > of > > > > > > Atri > > > > > > > > > > Rishi or one may say in the name of Etruscan > > Civilization > > > > and > > > > > > > > recently > > > > > > > > > > that Big temple has been found in Egypt by archaeologist > > and > > > > > > name of > > > > > > > > > > that temple is Athrabhis (in The name of Atri Rishi). > > > > Everbody's > > > > > > eye > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > towards it BUT ROMAN CATHOLICS are quite scared Ha Ha Ha > > > > > > > > Ha… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaidik civilization even predates on other ground > > also > > > > > > like it > > > > > > > > > > predate to Sumerians civilization (Civilization on > > > > Mesopotamian > > > > > > > > ground). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most ancient epic of Sumerians which is in the > > > > name of > > > > > > > > > > Gilgamesh is basically copy of Atra-Hasis Epic(Nobody > > has > > > > > > > > contradicted > > > > > > > > > > it till-date that Flood story of Atra-Hasis Epic is > > copied > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Gilgamesh's Epic). Gilgamesh was the third king of > > > > Sumerians. > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > imagine who predates on other lands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atra-Hasis = Atri-Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And JUST before flood of 2700 BCE on the ground of > > > > > > Sumerians > > > > > > > > > > (means now known Sumerians is after of that flood) there > > was > > > > a > > > > > > King > > > > > > > > > > named as Ziusudra (Zarasthura) , and i dont have to tell > > who > > > > he > > > > > > was, > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > was the person who is the author of Avesta. Avestans > > > > (Persians, > > > > > > > > > > Iranians) are basically cousins of Vaidik ppl. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assyrians were Ashur as Atri rishi had told about > > the > > > > > > Ashura > > > > > > > > > > Swarbhanu (Rahu) who engulf Sun and Assyrians were > > > > descendant of > > > > > > > > Atri > > > > > > > > > > Rishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zarasthura (Ziu + Sura ) was Sura (Opposite of > > Ashur) > > > > and > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > the the author of Epic Avesta of Zoroasterians ie of > > > > Iranians. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > > > > > " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It feels so good while reading your's analysis > > > > because > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > openly share > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your's views, you have touched almost every > > thing, > > > > let's > > > > > > > > begin > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combined analysis so that best come out and > > other > > > > people > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > also become > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a part, feeling free. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding a point - Jup in Moola nakschatra gives > > > > immense > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intution, phaldeepika, shambhu hora prakash and > > If I > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > correctly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotisharnava Navnitam etc have said so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In his last days Edger was guided to know about > > > > India, > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > once > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to tell about previous births and > > reincarnations, > > > > > > wikipedica > > > > > > > > > > says once > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young Jesus visited India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > s.com, > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < I also have one chart of one boy who is just > > 25 > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > > > but ppl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says he has psychic powers.( I have his > > details). > > > > Some > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Edgar Cayce was having. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Details of that Native are as below:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mar 11,1984 (Sun) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 08:09:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Delhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some ppl who knows him closely says that he > > has > > > > some > > > > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > > powers bt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am worried he may be hit by those spirits. As > > Ma > > > > and > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > blocking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fortunes of Sa which is in 8'th house and there > > is > > > > > > complete > > > > > > > > > > imbalance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between 8'th and 12'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma+Sa+Ke are making stubborn combination but > > at > > > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > in 12 > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are mild stars. So those spirits may hit him and > > > > coming > > > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > transit near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Sa and Ma and Ke may be fatal for him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is my frnd's frnd, many drug mafias take > > his > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > and he has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been Chela and very close to Chandraswami. His > > > > family's > > > > > > > > > > financial condns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not so good and he is also Mishraji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never met with that person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > s.com, > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > praspandey@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One Correction - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > crossing > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 2'nd or sometimes in trines then native > > would be > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > crossing > > > > his > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > 12'th and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2'nd or sometimes trines to 8'th house then > > native > > > > would > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > major psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Mishraji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some Views from my side :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His chart shows that he had possession of > > some > > > > > > spirits > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never harmed him and those could be Female. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 12'th and 8'th and 4'th are connected > > and > > > > those > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > 8'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Sa and Ve are so close. Sa + Ve use to > > play > > > > > > main > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Psychic powers and those should be lord of > > mainly > > > > 8'th > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > but it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good that 12'th lord Me came in picture and > > it is > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > at same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees of Ve and Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Ra is near to Sa and Ve and just before > > of > > > > Sa + > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blast of possessions of spirits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though above conditions are more than > > enough > > > > to > > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic powers. But some more points - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Amazingly it is happening in Aquarius. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) It is good that Ma was not in 8'th or > > in > > > > 2'nd > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirits might have hurt the native in violent > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > crossing > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 2'nd or sometimes in trines then native > > would be > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo is not getting any aspect or it is not > > in > > > > trine > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > , from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house so native was enjoying and sensing > > whole > > > > > > > > happenings > > > > > > > > > > and so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never would have come in whirl of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had 2-3 charts in which spirits took > > away > > > > life > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those native hanged themselves and their > > relatives > > > > found > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > sign of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some spirits. I will ask from a lady to again > > give > > > > those > > > > > > > > details > > > > > > > > > > to me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she is from Europe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also have one chart of one boy who is > > just > > > > 25 > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > > > but ppl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says he has psychic powers.( I have his > > details). > > > > Some > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Edgar Cayce was having. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also know one lady from USA (christian > > but > > > > > > follows > > > > > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tradition, but she is hard core American and her > > no > > > > > > relative > > > > > > > > > > even from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asia) and she is fluent in hindi and sees hindi > > > > movies. > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > says she > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can see spirits but she always sees spirits when > > > > person > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > about to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > die as her Bharani Nks is active. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Edgar Cayce was definitely having > > psychic > > > > > > abilities > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > high > > > > > > > > > > > > > > class. This is extreme case one may see and > > validate > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > concepts of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VEDIC-ASTROLOGY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS :- I follow very basic concepts during > > > > > > prediction > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > only see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how planets are fielded in D-1 only and try to > > see > > > > how > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > aling@ > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are few but rock solid, we are no > > fakes, > > > > no > > > > > > > > gurus, no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts, we are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those who discover more, we have fire in > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we are unbounded, I m little busy these > > day > > > > but > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > 10 - 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be able to settle things down and > > then > > > > we > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > embark on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > journey to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new horizons of vedic astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls try to study Edgar Cayce's chart, he > > was > > > > one > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > went into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trans to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read akasik libraries, I mean coded > > mesages > > > > of > > > > > > > > universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.near- death.com/ experiences/ > > > > > > > > cayce02.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.near- death.com/ > > experiences/ > > > > > > > > cayce02.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ > > Edgar_Cayce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ > > Edgar_Cayce> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They say 8'th house is the one who takes > > one > > > > to > > > > > > > > Mokscha, > > > > > > > > > > I told > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the one who takes one to mysticism - > > true or > > > > > > untrue, > > > > > > > > > > this was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the truth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which caused me leave one dozen dogmatic > > > > > > jyotishis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > aling@ > > > > > > s.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhe > > > > aling@ > > > > > > s.com > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Dear Shri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont join any group as sometimes it > > > > diverts > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > i have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other things in hand otherwise i dont > > have > > > > any > > > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes i also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without telling owner of > > group > > > > and > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > > > reappear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think you will not mind for the same if > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to request you that plz > > > > always > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > imp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal id as it use to have some good > > > > content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for the same! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am amazed to see so less members in > > your > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > embarked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with creating group in April 07. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again to my dear Lalitji for > > giving > > > > > > > > membership > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 NO NO -- Ravindramani jee! That 'bal-hath' was only aimed at Gopi_dada! For you (and others) I have an easier solution! Please ask your teacher/Guru ;-) Unless you are confessing that Ravindramani jee and Gopi_dada are one an same person with multiple identities! Are you :-)? RR_, , " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani wrote: > > Saheb Ji, > > I have to wait for another six months .... > > C.S. Raindramani > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 7:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vaniwrote: > > > > > > > Gopi_dada, > > > > Regardless of your biological age, you sound like a wise elder brother > > hence I am taking the liberty of addressing you as Dada! > > > > What I wrote or always write is very ordinary jyotish and nothing fancy. > > > > And, surrender is never a loss! It is a very deliberate and powerful act of > > FREE-WILL that we human beings have been given as our most potent KAVACH of > > eternal security! I TRULY Believe in that for I HAVE personally experienced > > how powerful SURRENDER can be! > > > > My purpose in participating in these forums is not to get a 'rise', nor to > > attract clients or chelas or to plump my feathers, or to beat up on others! > > My goal also is not to elevate Jyotish from where it is to where I feel it > > should be! There are many others who have chosen to bear that cross and > > kudos to them! > > > > As I promised you, God-willing, I will tell you come July 2010. Right now, > > even if I describe, explain, my words will not mean anything to you or not > > penetrate! Please trust my judgment on this matter :-) > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > <%40>, > > " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > // It has a strong-hold on the two most important houses in KPC! Earning > > > is KARM's dhanwhile KARM is where one invests earnings, sometimes to > > > lose! The 10-11 thing instandard jyotish!// > > > i always lose.Can you please elaborate?KPC?... > > > regards, > > > gopi. > > > <%40>, > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gopiji! > > > > > > > > SURRENDER is the most difficult and ABSOLUTELY THE SUPREME CHOICE! If > > > we were not such hard-nosed, hard-headed bunch here on Internet, by now > > > you would have found an idol of yours created on this highway and the > > > gaon-walas arriving daily to pay homage to you! > > > > > > > > I am hardly what you may consider as a jyotishi or even scholar but I > > > would urge all beginners to pay attention to Saturn! High or Low, weak > > > or strong -- It has a strong-hold on the two most important houses in > > > KPC! Earning is KARM's dhan while KARM is where one invests earnings, > > > sometimes to lose! The 10-11 thing in standard jyotish! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > //Your choice!// > > > > > I have no choice wat so ever,but your wish.... > > > > > in fact as you might have seen i have removed the post to edit.At > > > that > > > > > moment the power was off.What choice i have had?My life goes on in > > > > > SURRENDER not by choice(so called). > > > > > My post was supposed to be read//ha..ha...the problem is i dont > > > > > think(like others).When i sincerely/seriously asked myself LONG AGO > > > why > > > > > i should think what others want me to think the whole thinking > > > almost > > > > > gone and LIVING began which the thinking process can not explain in > > > > > words..... > > > > > probably and astrologically Sat exalted/vargottama in 2nd aspd by > > > jup > > > > > from 10th have had to do something about it along with 2nd lord with > > > > > ketu..... > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > <%40>, > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm... > > > > > > > > > > > > In that case Gopi_ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > You should stop asking but switch to telling and sharing! > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharing with all what arrives at your soul and which is but to be > > > > > given away and shared! > > > > > > > > > > > > Try this for six months and then come back and FRAP me if it does > > > not > > > > > work positively for you! > > > > > > > > > > > > But no contact at all for the next six months with me or my > > > thoughts > > > > > or reading or responding to my postings and messages here or > > > anywhere > > > > > else -- until oh let us say First of July 2010 -- the independence > > > day > > > > > of my current reality! > > > > > > > > > > > > Your choice! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > ha..ha...the problem is i dont think(like others).When i > > > sincerely > > > > > asked > > > > > > > myself why i should think what others want me to think the whole > > > > > > > thinking almost gone and LIVING began which the thinking process > > > can > > > > > not > > > > > > > explain in words..... > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " rohinicrystal " > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think of yourself as a jet-pilot in the cockpit of a plane > > > with no > > > > > > > windows or a security person in the monitoring room. All reality > > > > > coming > > > > > > > to your senses through scopes, monitors and gauges! Big time > > > > > > > transduction city! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the scopes are not well-tuned and clean, the in-coming > > > > > information > > > > > > > will be garbled and give a false sense of reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a second, even your five senses that you believe > > > > > directly > > > > > > > interact with reality is an illusion and can get fooled very > > > easily. > > > > > If > > > > > > > you have ever had to go to a dentist and he or she anesthetized > > > your > > > > > > > mouth -- when afterwards you tried to drink water from a cup, > > > you > > > > > would > > > > > > > get the distinct feeling that the edge of the cup was broken! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR-, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " gopalakrishna " > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also a good one!!...one cant fix 'scope' for REALITY though > > > > > Reality > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > be in the perception.May be that makes a difference.The > > > duality > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > differerence is also REALITY.....I dont seek IT because it > > > is > > > > > in > > > > > > > front > > > > > > > > > and also everywhere... > > > > > > > > > HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REALITY SHALL ALWAYS BE IN THE PERCEPTION! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't seek REALITY, before you have fixed the 'Scope' that > > > > > enables > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > to have PERCEPTION ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > //I believe every Soul is inherently Divine and WILL > > > > > > > > > > > eventually find its way back to where it belongs. > > > > > > > > > > > " Nothing Real Can Be Threatened, > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing Unreal Exists, > > > > > > > > > > > Therein Lies The Peace of God " . > > > > > > > > > > > -A Course in Miracles.// > > > > > > > > > > > good one indeed.... > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > Manoj Chandran > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My views are not Exciting - but more traditional and > > > > > boring. > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > commenting about a religion that is not mine and some > > > thing > > > > > that > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > not researched thoroughly, I prefer to be just that > > > - > > > > > > > > > traditional > > > > > > > > > > > and boring. As some one who does research R & D for a > > > living, > > > > > I > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > that even after carefully controlled experiments and > > > > > trials, > > > > > > > > > > > Engineers and Scientists go wrong. All this even when > > > every > > > > > > > thing is > > > > > > > > > > > painfully and thoroughly documented. In Cases such > > > as > > > > > these, > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > the " said events " have happened thousands of years ago, > > > when > > > > > > > > > Authorship > > > > > > > > > > > of documents is not easily attributable (is this > > > really > > > > > a > > > > > > > word?) > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > the legitimate owner, it may be prudent to let things > > > lie > > > > > the > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > are. Ofcourse, just my boring opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You indeed have raised some valid points. The newly > > > > > discovered > > > > > > > > > Gospel > > > > > > > > > > > of Thomas is indeed quite different from the traditonal > > > > > Gospels > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Luke, > > > > > > > > > > > Mark etc. It gives quite a different view of Jesus. > > > > > Ofcourse > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > they have not been sactioned by the Church, they will > > > not be > > > > > > > > > accepted by > > > > > > > > > > > traditional Chistianity. So it is really up to > > > Christians if > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > to research that more. Thats where I leave that > > > argument. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But ultimately I don't put much emotions in to these > > > > > > > questions, > > > > > > > > > > > because from my simplistic point of view, I believe > > > every > > > > > Soul > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > inherently Divine and WILL eventually find its way back > > > to > > > > > where > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > belongs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Nothing Real Can Be Threatened, > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing Unreal Exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > Therein Lies The Peace of God " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -A Course in Miracles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > To: <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, December 28, 2009 8:44:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: East, Direction of > > > Religion ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant_jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " Mayavini " realm of movies (even the > > > " documentaries " > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > 'docu-dramas' ) must always be taken with a 'pinch of > > > salt!' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you have seen the BLOCKBUSTER movie of the > > > last > > > > > > > decade: > > > > > > > > > > > GANDHI! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Movie-makers always have a creative license because > > > they > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > creating > > > > > > > > > > > a salable product! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SALT is not inconsequential! It can bring down > > > KINGDOMS as > > > > > we > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > seen! And it completely destroys appetite and taste! If > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > none or > > > > > > > > > > > even if there is too much! And not good for 'plumbing' > > > > > either!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " prashant " > > > > > <praspandey@ > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < However, I have to disagree with your > > > comment > > > > > about > > > > > > > " His > > > > > > > > > > > teachings were completely Vedic " . I have read the > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > and I don't see any thing " Vedic " in it. Christianity is > > > > > > > primarily a > > > > > > > > > > > religion of Grace. Quite different from Vedic teaching > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > theory of > > > > > > > > > > > Karma. Infact they are poles apart. And also He was much > > > > > more > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > a " Nice Soul " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very happy to get your so EXCITING - VIEWS, and > > > > > would > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > say THANK YOU for giving me opportunity to write more > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to firstly take quotes from Bhavisya > > > Purana > > > > > > > > > (19:28-30) > > > > > > > > > > > about Jesus Christ to put here . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " mlecchasa sthapito dharmo maya tacchrnu bhupate > > > > > > > > > > > > > manasam nirmalam krtva malam dehe subhasubham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > naigamam japamasthaya japeta nirmalam param > > > > > > > > > > > > > nyayena satyavacasaa manasyaikena manavah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhyanena pujayedisam surya-mandala- samsthitam > > > > > > > > > > > > > acaloyam prabhuh sakshat- atha suryocalah sada " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Translation of above VERSES are as below :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Please hear Oh king which religious principles I > > > have > > > > > > > > > established > > > > > > > > > > > among the mlecchas. The living entity is subject to good > > > and > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > contaminations. The mind should be purified by taking > > > > > recourse > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > proper > > > > > > > > > > > conduct and performance of japa. By chanting the holy > > > names > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > attains > > > > > > > > > > > the highest purity. Just as the immovable sun attracts, > > > from > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > directions, the elements of all living beings, the Lord > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > solar > > > > > > > > > > > region, who is fixed and all-attractive, attracts the > > > hearts > > > > > of > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > living creatures. Thus by following rules, speaking > > > truthful > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > mental harmony and by meditation, Oh descendant of Manu, > > > one > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > worship that immovable Lord'. " (Bhavishya Purana > > > 19:27-30.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Link is below:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.salagram .net/Jesus- Went-To-India. > > > htm#You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have taken those above VERSES and its translation > > > from > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > site, > > > > > > > > > > > so no manipulation from my-side in translation. Now pl > > > > > everybody > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > that according to the VERSES Jesus has talked of Sun-God > > > and > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > the main God of Rig-Vaidik Aryans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now we should also look into recent findings of > > > > > > > archaeologist in > > > > > > > > > > > QUMRAN Region ie near to Northern of DEAD-SEA(Jordan) . > > > > > > > > > Archaeologists > > > > > > > > > > > have found some documents there which have been remain > > > > > untouched > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > 300 BCE and those documents were called as " The Dead Sea > > > > > > > scrolls " > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > those are basically " Hebrew Bible " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those were written by the priests of ESSENES > > > community > > > > > of > > > > > > > Qumran > > > > > > > > > > > region ie " Teacher of Righteousness " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting things is that some running philosophy > > > of > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > just opposite of old Testament which have been found in > > > that > > > > > > > region > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > and some beliefs and theology from that HOLY BIBLE are > > > as > > > > > below > > > > > > > :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Their theology included belief in the immortality > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > that they would receive their souls back after death. > > > Part > > > > > of > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > activities included purification by water rituals, > > > > > > > > > > > > > which was supported by rainwater catchment and > > > storage. > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not manipulated above views, those are > > > written by > > > > > > > 80-90% > > > > > > > > > > > scholars who studied it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above written lines conatin, basically Vaidik > > > > > rituals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already said that Bible teachings were completely > > > > > Vaidic > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > nature > > > > > > > > > > > but later Romans with Greeks, perverted it and wrote > > > them > > > > > > > according > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > their will. And now the many scholars from CHRISTIAN > > > > > Community > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > and give abuses to VATICANS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Roman ruler of 4'th century AD ie Constantine > > > was > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > totally under influence of Vaidik tradition ie of > > > > > Mithras(Mitra > > > > > > > God) > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Sun God but St Paul changed the Bible just to get hold > > > over > > > > > > > Europe > > > > > > > > > > > according to their theology of meat eating, no soul and > > > > > > > sentiments > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > animals and no incarnation theory related to KARMA and > > > made > > > > > > > > > teachings of > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus Christ illogical as the ppl who read Bible say > > > that > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > strong gap in views of Gospels of Jesus(Manipulated one > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > Romans+Greeks) which have been posed by Romans in 4'th > > > > > Century > > > > > > > AD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They (Vaticans) not only manipulated the Jesus > > > Christ > > > > > > > teachings > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > also aired false theory of Aryan Invasion, now it has > > > been > > > > > > > > > completely > > > > > > > > > > > refuted in open discussions in many forums. Still they > > > are > > > > > > > abusing > > > > > > > > > > > ancient religions by sitting in that top university of > > > WEST. > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > Pingree, Romila Thapar and Michael Witzel come in the > > > same > > > > > > > category. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > Chandran > > > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant Ji and All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would urge interested people to watch the Movie > > > > > " Jesus > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > India " . Coincidentally I watched it just yesterday > > > > > and it > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > an interesting view on this contreversial subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I have to disagree with your > > > comment > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > " His > > > > > > > > > > > teachings were completely Vedic " . I have read the > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > and I don't see any thing " Vedic " in it. Christianity is > > > > > > > primarily a > > > > > > > > > > > religion of Grace. Quite different from Vedic teaching > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > theory of > > > > > > > > > > > Karma. Infact they are poles apart. And also He was much > > > > > more > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > a " Nice Soul " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant <praspandey@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, December 24, 2009 6:55:29 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > East, Direction of > > > Religion ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < wikipedica says once young Jesus visited India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some words for Great Jesus Christ:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He was a nice soul and his teachings were > > > completely > > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > and he > > > > > > > > > > > was in India not for short period but for 10 years and > > > he > > > > > was > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > > Himalaya. About him there is mention in some Puranas. > > > Bible > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > same, Pl refer to Old Testament not to Manipulated one > > > which > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > done by > > > > > > > > > > > Romans Catholics. But now stories have been manipulated > > > and > > > > > it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > written in New Manipulated Bible that he sent his > > > disciple > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He born in Iraq and learn Vaidik ways of teachings > > > > > from > > > > > > > Iraq > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > later from main source ie EAST (Bharat). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Roman-Catholics of Veticans changed his > > > teachings > > > > > in > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > > about 400 AD just to get hold of Europe where, there was > > > > > VEDIC > > > > > > > > > Dharma > > > > > > > > > > > and crushed it later and it is evident from ancient > > > ETRUSCAN > > > > > > > > > > > CIVILIZATION now it is no more there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Romulus was nice fellow and he was > > > influenced > > > > > by > > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > > civilization which was there in Italy in the name of > > > > > ETRUSCAN ( > > > > > > > > > > > Descendant of Vaidik Atri Rishi) and Italy name is in > > > the > > > > > name > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > civilization. Romans initially also made temples in the > > > name > > > > > of > > > > > > > Atri > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi or one may say in the name of Etruscan > > > Civilization > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > recently > > > > > > > > > > > that Big temple has been found in Egypt by archaeologist > > > and > > > > > > > name of > > > > > > > > > > > that temple is Athrabhis (in The name of Atri Rishi). > > > > > Everbody's > > > > > > > eye > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > towards it BUT ROMAN CATHOLICS are quite scared Ha Ha Ha > > > > > > > > > Ha… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaidik civilization even predates on other ground > > > also > > > > > > > like it > > > > > > > > > > > predate to Sumerians civilization (Civilization on > > > > > Mesopotamian > > > > > > > > > ground). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most ancient epic of Sumerians which is in the > > > > > name of > > > > > > > > > > > Gilgamesh is basically copy of Atra-Hasis Epic(Nobody > > > has > > > > > > > > > contradicted > > > > > > > > > > > it till-date that Flood story of Atra-Hasis Epic is > > > copied > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Gilgamesh's Epic). Gilgamesh was the third king of > > > > > Sumerians. > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > imagine who predates on other lands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atra-Hasis = Atri-Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And JUST before flood of 2700 BCE on the ground of > > > > > > > Sumerians > > > > > > > > > > > (means now known Sumerians is after of that flood) there > > > was > > > > > a > > > > > > > King > > > > > > > > > > > named as Ziusudra (Zarasthura) , and i dont have to tell > > > who > > > > > he > > > > > > > was, > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > was the person who is the author of Avesta. Avestans > > > > > (Persians, > > > > > > > > > > > Iranians) are basically cousins of Vaidik ppl. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assyrians were Ashur as Atri rishi had told about > > > the > > > > > > > Ashura > > > > > > > > > > > Swarbhanu (Rahu) who engulf Sun and Assyrians were > > > > > descendant of > > > > > > > > > Atri > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zarasthura (Ziu + Sura ) was Sura (Opposite of > > > Ashur) > > > > > and > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > the the author of Epic Avesta of Zoroasterians ie of > > > > > Iranians. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > > > > > > " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It feels so good while reading your's analysis > > > > > because > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > openly share > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your's views, you have touched almost every > > > thing, > > > > > let's > > > > > > > > > begin > > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combined analysis so that best come out and > > > other > > > > > people > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > also become > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a part, feeling free. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding a point - Jup in Moola nakschatra gives > > > > > immense > > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intution, phaldeepika, shambhu hora prakash and > > > If I > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > correctly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotisharnava Navnitam etc have said so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In his last days Edger was guided to know about > > > > > India, > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > once > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to tell about previous births and > > > reincarnations, > > > > > > > wikipedica > > > > > > > > > > > says once > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young Jesus visited India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < I also have one chart of one boy who is just > > > 25 > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > > > > but ppl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says he has psychic powers.( I have his > > > details). > > > > > Some > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Edgar Cayce was having. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Details of that Native are as below:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mar 11,1984 (Sun) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 08:09:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Delhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some ppl who knows him closely says that he > > > has > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > > > powers bt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am worried he may be hit by those spirits. As > > > Ma > > > > > and > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > blocking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fortunes of Sa which is in 8'th house and there > > > is > > > > > > > complete > > > > > > > > > > > imbalance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between 8'th and 12'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma+Sa+Ke are making stubborn combination but > > > at > > > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > in 12 > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are mild stars. So those spirits may hit him and > > > > > coming > > > > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > transit near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Sa and Ma and Ke may be fatal for him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is my frnd's frnd, many drug mafias take > > > his > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > and he has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been Chela and very close to Chandraswami. His > > > > > family's > > > > > > > > > > > financial condns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not so good and he is also Mishraji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never met with that person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > praspandey@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One Correction - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > > crossing > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 2'nd or sometimes in trines then native > > > would be > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > crossing > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2'nd or sometimes trines to 8'th house then > > > native > > > > > would > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > major psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Mishraji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some Views from my side :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His chart shows that he had possession of > > > some > > > > > > > spirits > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never harmed him and those could be Female. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 12'th and 8'th and 4'th are connected > > > and > > > > > those > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Sa and Ve are so close. Sa + Ve use to > > > play > > > > > > > main > > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Psychic powers and those should be lord of > > > mainly > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > but it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good that 12'th lord Me came in picture and > > > it is > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > at same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees of Ve and Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Ra is near to Sa and Ve and just before > > > of > > > > > Sa + > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blast of possessions of spirits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though above conditions are more than > > > enough > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic powers. But some more points - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Amazingly it is happening in Aquarius. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) It is good that Ma was not in 8'th or > > > in > > > > > 2'nd > > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirits might have hurt the native in violent > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > > crossing > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 2'nd or sometimes in trines then native > > > would be > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo is not getting any aspect or it is not > > > in > > > > > trine > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > , from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house so native was enjoying and sensing > > > whole > > > > > > > > > happenings > > > > > > > > > > > and so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never would have come in whirl of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had 2-3 charts in which spirits took > > > away > > > > > life > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those native hanged themselves and their > > > relatives > > > > > found > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > sign of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some spirits. I will ask from a lady to again > > > give > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > details > > > > > > > > > > > to me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she is from Europe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also have one chart of one boy who is > > > just > > > > > 25 > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > > > > but ppl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says he has psychic powers.( I have his > > > details). > > > > > Some > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Edgar Cayce was having. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also know one lady from USA (christian > > > but > > > > > > > follows > > > > > > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tradition, but she is hard core American and her > > > no > > > > > > > relative > > > > > > > > > > > even from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asia) and she is fluent in hindi and sees hindi > > > > > movies. > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > > says she > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can see spirits but she always sees spirits when > > > > > person > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > about to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > die as her Bharani Nks is active. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Edgar Cayce was definitely having > > > psychic > > > > > > > abilities > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > high > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > class. This is extreme case one may see and > > > validate > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > concepts of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VEDIC-ASTROLOGY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS :- I follow very basic concepts during > > > > > > > prediction > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > only see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how planets are fielded in D-1 only and try to > > > see > > > > > how > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > > aling@ > > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > > " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are few but rock solid, we are no > > > fakes, > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > gurus, no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts, we are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those who discover more, we have fire in > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we are unbounded, I m little busy these > > > day > > > > > but > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > > 10 - 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be able to settle things down and > > > then > > > > > we > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > embark on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > journey to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new horizons of vedic astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls try to study Edgar Cayce's chart, he > > > was > > > > > one > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > went into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trans to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read akasik libraries, I mean coded > > > mesages > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.near- death.com/ experiences/ > > > > > > > > > cayce02.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.near- death.com/ > > > experiences/ > > > > > > > > > cayce02.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ > > > Edgar_Cayce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ > > > Edgar_Cayce> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They say 8'th house is the one who takes > > > one > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > Mokscha, > > > > > > > > > > > I told > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the one who takes one to mysticism - > > > true or > > > > > > > untrue, > > > > > > > > > > > this was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the truth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which caused me leave one dozen dogmatic > > > > > > > jyotishis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > > aling@ > > > > > > > s.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhe > > > > > aling@ > > > > > > > s.com > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Dear Shri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont join any group as sometimes it > > > > > diverts > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > i have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other things in hand otherwise i dont > > > have > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes i also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without telling owner of > > > group > > > > > and > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > > > > reappear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think you will not mind for the same if > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to request you that plz > > > > > always > > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > imp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal id as it use to have some good > > > > > content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for the same! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am amazed to see so less members in > > > your > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > embarked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with creating group in April 07. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again to my dear Lalitji for > > > giving > > > > > > > > > membership > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Oh my God, I am C.S. Ravindramani. I have only one identity. Even with this one I am at a loss to understand " Who am I " . I have been following the thread betweeen you and Gopi. So I was curious what would be your response. Now it is postponed till July 2010. So I jumped in. Once again I swear I am C.S. Ravindramani and Ravindramani only and no body else. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani PS: There are some personal friends here they can attest me. Come on Manoj where are you? ================================================================ On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 10:08 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vaniwrote: > > > NO NO -- Ravindramani jee! > > That 'bal-hath' was only aimed at Gopi_dada! > > For you (and others) I have an easier solution! Please ask your > teacher/Guru ;-) > > Unless you are confessing that Ravindramani jee and Gopi_dada are one an > same person with multiple identities! Are you :-)? > > RR_, > > > <%40>, > " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani wrote: > > > > Saheb Ji, > > > > I have to wait for another six months .... > > > > C.S. Raindramani > > > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 7:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vaniwrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi_dada, > > > > > > Regardless of your biological age, you sound like a wise elder brother > > > hence I am taking the liberty of addressing you as Dada! > > > > > > What I wrote or always write is very ordinary jyotish and nothing > fancy. > > > > > > And, surrender is never a loss! It is a very deliberate and powerful > act of > > > FREE-WILL that we human beings have been given as our most potent > KAVACH of > > > eternal security! I TRULY Believe in that for I HAVE personally > experienced > > > how powerful SURRENDER can be! > > > > > > My purpose in participating in these forums is not to get a 'rise', nor > to > > > attract clients or chelas or to plump my feathers, or to beat up on > others! > > > My goal also is not to elevate Jyotish from where it is to where I feel > it > > > should be! There are many others who have chosen to bear that cross and > > > kudos to them! > > > > > > As I promised you, God-willing, I will tell you come July 2010. Right > now, > > > even if I describe, explain, my words will not mean anything to you or > not > > > penetrate! Please trust my judgment on this matter :-) > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > <%40><% > 40>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > // It has a strong-hold on the two most important houses in KPC! > Earning > > > > is KARM's dhanwhile KARM is where one invests earnings, sometimes to > > > > lose! The 10-11 thing instandard jyotish!// > > > > i always lose.Can you please elaborate?KPC?... > > > > regards, > > > > gopi. > > > > <%40><% > 40>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopiji! > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER is the most difficult and ABSOLUTELY THE SUPREME CHOICE! > If > > > > we were not such hard-nosed, hard-headed bunch here on Internet, by > now > > > > you would have found an idol of yours created on this highway and the > > > > gaon-walas arriving daily to pay homage to you! > > > > > > > > > > I am hardly what you may consider as a jyotishi or even scholar but > I > > > > would urge all beginners to pay attention to Saturn! High or Low, > weak > > > > or strong -- It has a strong-hold on the two most important houses in > > > > KPC! Earning is KARM's dhan while KARM is where one invests earnings, > > > > sometimes to lose! The 10-11 thing in standard jyotish! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40><% > 40>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > //Your choice!// > > > > > > I have no choice wat so ever,but your wish.... > > > > > > in fact as you might have seen i have removed the post to edit.At > > > > that > > > > > > moment the power was off.What choice i have had?My life goes on > in > > > > > > SURRENDER not by choice(so called). > > > > > > My post was supposed to be read//ha..ha...the problem is i dont > > > > > > think(like others).When i sincerely/seriously asked myself LONG > AGO > > > > why > > > > > > i should think what others want me to think the whole thinking > > > > almost > > > > > > gone and LIVING began which the thinking process can not explain > in > > > > > > words..... > > > > > > probably and astrologically Sat exalted/vargottama in 2nd aspd by > > > > jup > > > > > > from 10th have had to do something about it along with 2nd lord > with > > > > > > ketu..... > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > --- In <%40><% > 40>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In that case Gopi_ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should stop asking but switch to telling and sharing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharing with all what arrives at your soul and which is but to > be > > > > > > given away and shared! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try this for six months and then come back and FRAP me if it > does > > > > not > > > > > > work positively for you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But no contact at all for the next six months with me or my > > > > thoughts > > > > > > or reading or responding to my postings and messages here or > > > > anywhere > > > > > > else -- until oh let us say First of July 2010 -- the > independence > > > > day > > > > > > of my current reality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your choice! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > ha..ha...the problem is i dont think(like others).When i > > > > sincerely > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > myself why i should think what others want me to think the > whole > > > > > > > > thinking almost gone and LIVING began which the thinking > process > > > > can > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > explain in words..... > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think of yourself as a jet-pilot in the cockpit of a plane > > > > with no > > > > > > > > windows or a security person in the monitoring room. All > reality > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > > to your senses through scopes, monitors and gauges! Big time > > > > > > > > transduction city! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the scopes are not well-tuned and clean, the in-coming > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > will be garbled and give a false sense of reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a second, even your five senses that you believe > > > > > > directly > > > > > > > > interact with reality is an illusion and can get fooled very > > > > easily. > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > you have ever had to go to a dentist and he or she > anesthetized > > > > your > > > > > > > > mouth -- when afterwards you tried to drink water from a cup, > > > > you > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > get the distinct feeling that the edge of the cup was broken! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR-, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also a good one!!...one cant fix 'scope' for REALITY > though > > > > > > Reality > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > be in the perception.May be that makes a difference.The > > > > duality > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > differerence is also REALITY.....I dont seek IT because > it > > > > is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > front > > > > > > > > > > and also everywhere... > > > > > > > > > > HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REALITY SHALL ALWAYS BE IN THE PERCEPTION! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't seek REALITY, before you have fixed the 'Scope' > that > > > > > > enables > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > to have PERCEPTION ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > //I believe every Soul is inherently Divine and WILL > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually find its way back to where it belongs. > > > > > > > > > > > > " Nothing Real Can Be Threatened, > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing Unreal Exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > Therein Lies The Peace of God " . > > > > > > > > > > > > -A Course in Miracles.// > > > > > > > > > > > > good one indeed.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40>, > > > > Manoj Chandran > > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My views are not Exciting - but more traditional > and > > > > > > boring. > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > commenting about a religion that is not mine and some > > > > thing > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > not researched thoroughly, I prefer to be just that > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > and boring. As some one who does research R & D for a > > > > living, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > that even after carefully controlled experiments > and > > > > > > > trials, > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineers and Scientists go wrong. All this even when > > > > every > > > > > > > > thing is > > > > > > > > > > > > painfully and thoroughly documented. In Cases such > > > > > as > > > > > > these, > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > the " said events " have happened thousands of years > ago, > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > Authorship > > > > > > > > > > > > of documents is not easily attributable (is this > > > > > really > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > word?) > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > the legitimate owner, it may be prudent to let things > > > > lie > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > are. Ofcourse, just my boring opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You indeed have raised some valid points. The newly > > > > > > discovered > > > > > > > > > > Gospel > > > > > > > > > > > > of Thomas is indeed quite different from the > traditonal > > > > > > Gospels > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Luke, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark etc. It gives quite a different view of Jesus. > > > > > > > > Ofcourse > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > they have not been sactioned by the Church, they will > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > accepted by > > > > > > > > > > > > traditional Chistianity. So it is really up to > > > > Christians if > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > > to research that more. Thats where I leave that > > > > argument. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But ultimately I don't put much emotions in to > these > > > > > > > > questions, > > > > > > > > > > > > because from my simplistic point of view, I believe > > > > every > > > > > > Soul > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > inherently Divine and WILL eventually find its way > back > > > > to > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > belongs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Nothing Real Can Be Threatened, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing Unreal Exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therein Lies The Peace of God " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -A Course in Miracles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: <%40> > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, December 28, 2009 8:44:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: East, Direction of > > > > Religion ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant_jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " Mayavini " realm of movies (even the > > > > " documentaries " > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > 'docu-dramas' ) must always be taken with a 'pinch of > > > > salt!' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you have seen the BLOCKBUSTER movie of > the > > > > last > > > > > > > > decade: > > > > > > > > > > > > GANDHI! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Movie-makers always have a creative license because > > > > they > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > creating > > > > > > > > > > > > a salable product! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SALT is not inconsequential! It can bring down > > > > KINGDOMS as > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > seen! And it completely destroys appetite and taste! > If > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > > none or > > > > > > > > > > > > even if there is too much! And not good for > 'plumbing' > > > > > > either!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " prashant " > > > > > > <praspandey@ > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < However, I have to disagree with your > > > > comment > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > " His > > > > > > > > > > > > teachings were completely Vedic " . I have read > the > > > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > > and I don't see any thing " Vedic " in it. Christianity > is > > > > > > > > primarily a > > > > > > > > > > > > religion of Grace. Quite different from Vedic > teaching > > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > theory of > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma. Infact they are poles apart. And also He was > much > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > a " Nice Soul " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very happy to get your so EXCITING - VIEWS, > and > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > say THANK YOU for giving me opportunity to write more > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to firstly take quotes from Bhavisya > > > > Purana > > > > > > > > > > (19:28-30) > > > > > > > > > > > > about Jesus Christ to put here . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " mlecchasa sthapito dharmo maya tacchrnu bhupate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manasam nirmalam krtva malam dehe subhasubham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > naigamam japamasthaya japeta nirmalam param > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nyayena satyavacasaa manasyaikena manavah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhyanena pujayedisam surya-mandala- samsthitam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > acaloyam prabhuh sakshat- atha suryocalah sada " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Translation of above VERSES are as below :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Please hear Oh king which religious principles I > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > established > > > > > > > > > > > > among the mlecchas. The living entity is subject to > good > > > > and > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > contaminations. The mind should be purified by taking > > > > > > recourse > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > proper > > > > > > > > > > > > conduct and performance of japa. By chanting the holy > > > > names > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > attains > > > > > > > > > > > > the highest purity. Just as the immovable sun > attracts, > > > > from > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > directions, the elements of all living beings, the > Lord > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > solar > > > > > > > > > > > > region, who is fixed and all-attractive, attracts the > > > > hearts > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > living creatures. Thus by following rules, speaking > > > > truthful > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > mental harmony and by meditation, Oh descendant of > Manu, > > > > one > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > worship that immovable Lord'. " (Bhavishya Purana > > > > 19:27-30.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Link is below:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.salagram .net/Jesus- Went-To-India. > > > > htm#You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have taken those above VERSES and its > translation > > > > from > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > site, > > > > > > > > > > > > so no manipulation from my-side in translation. Now > pl > > > > > > everybody > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > that according to the VERSES Jesus has talked of > Sun-God > > > > and > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > the main God of Rig-Vaidik Aryans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now we should also look into recent findings of > > > > > > > > archaeologist in > > > > > > > > > > > > QUMRAN Region ie near to Northern of DEAD-SEA(Jordan) > . > > > > > > > > > > Archaeologists > > > > > > > > > > > > have found some documents there which have been > remain > > > > > > untouched > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > 300 BCE and those documents were called as " The Dead > Sea > > > > > > > > scrolls " > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > those are basically " Hebrew Bible " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those were written by the priests of ESSENES > > > > community > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Qumran > > > > > > > > > > > > region ie " Teacher of Righteousness " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting things is that some running > philosophy > > > > of > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > just opposite of old Testament which have been found > in > > > > that > > > > > > > > region > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > and some beliefs and theology from that HOLY BIBLE > are > > > > as > > > > > > below > > > > > > > > :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Their theology included belief in the > immortality > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > that they would receive their souls back after death. > > > > Part > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > activities included purification by water rituals, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which was supported by rainwater catchment and > > > > storage. > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not manipulated above views, those are > > > > written by > > > > > > > > 80-90% > > > > > > > > > > > > scholars who studied it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above written lines conatin, basically Vaidik > > > > > > rituals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already said that Bible teachings were > completely > > > > > > Vaidic > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > nature > > > > > > > > > > > > but later Romans with Greeks, perverted it and wrote > > > > them > > > > > > > > according > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > their will. And now the many scholars from CHRISTIAN > > > > > > Community > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > and give abuses to VATICANS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Roman ruler of 4'th century AD ie > Constantine > > > > was > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > totally under influence of Vaidik tradition ie of > > > > > > Mithras(Mitra > > > > > > > > God) > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun God but St Paul changed the Bible just to get > hold > > > > over > > > > > > > > Europe > > > > > > > > > > > > according to their theology of meat eating, no soul > and > > > > > > > > sentiments > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > animals and no incarnation theory related to KARMA > and > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > teachings of > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus Christ illogical as the ppl who read Bible say > > > > that > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > strong gap in views of Gospels of Jesus(Manipulated > one > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > Romans+Greeks) which have been posed by Romans in > 4'th > > > > > > Century > > > > > > > > AD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They (Vaticans) not only manipulated the Jesus > > > > Christ > > > > > > > > teachings > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > also aired false theory of Aryan Invasion, now it has > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > completely > > > > > > > > > > > > refuted in open discussions in many forums. Still > they > > > > are > > > > > > > > abusing > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient religions by sitting in that top university > of > > > > WEST. > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > Pingree, Romila Thapar and Michael Witzel come in the > > > > same > > > > > > > > category. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > > Chandran > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant Ji and All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would urge interested people to watch the > Movie > > > > > > " Jesus > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > India " . Coincidentally I watched it just yesterday > > > > > > and it > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > an interesting view on this contreversial subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I have to disagree with your > > > > comment > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > " His > > > > > > > > > > > > teachings were completely Vedic " . I have read > the > > > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > > and I don't see any thing " Vedic " in it. Christianity > is > > > > > > > > primarily a > > > > > > > > > > > > religion of Grace. Quite different from Vedic > teaching > > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > theory of > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma. Infact they are poles apart. And also He was > much > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > a " Nice Soul " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant <praspandey@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, December 24, 2009 6:55:29 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > East, Direction of > > > > Religion ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > s.com, > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < wikipedica says once young Jesus visited > India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some words for Great Jesus Christ:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He was a nice soul and his teachings were > > > > completely > > > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > and he > > > > > > > > > > > > was in India not for short period but for 10 years > and > > > > he > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > > > Himalaya. About him there is mention in some Puranas. > > > > Bible > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > same, Pl refer to Old Testament not to Manipulated > one > > > > which > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > done by > > > > > > > > > > > > Romans Catholics. But now stories have been > manipulated > > > > and > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > written in New Manipulated Bible that he sent his > > > > disciple > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He born in Iraq and learn Vaidik ways of > teachings > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > Iraq > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > later from main source ie EAST (Bharat). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Roman-Catholics of Veticans changed his > > > > teachings > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > > > about 400 AD just to get hold of Europe where, there > was > > > > > > VEDIC > > > > > > > > > > Dharma > > > > > > > > > > > > and crushed it later and it is evident from ancient > > > > ETRUSCAN > > > > > > > > > > > > CIVILIZATION now it is no more there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Romulus was nice fellow and he was > > > > influenced > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > > > civilization which was there in Italy in the name of > > > > > > ETRUSCAN ( > > > > > > > > > > > > Descendant of Vaidik Atri Rishi) and Italy name is in > > > > the > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > civilization. Romans initially also made temples in > the > > > > name > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Atri > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi or one may say in the name of Etruscan > > > > Civilization > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > recently > > > > > > > > > > > > that Big temple has been found in Egypt by > archaeologist > > > > and > > > > > > > > name of > > > > > > > > > > > > that temple is Athrabhis (in The name of Atri Rishi). > > > > > > Everbody's > > > > > > > > eye > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > towards it BUT ROMAN CATHOLICS are quite scared Ha Ha > Ha > > > > > > > > > > Ha… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaidik civilization even predates on other > ground > > > > also > > > > > > > > like it > > > > > > > > > > > > predate to Sumerians civilization (Civilization on > > > > > > Mesopotamian > > > > > > > > > > ground). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most ancient epic of Sumerians which is in > the > > > > > > name of > > > > > > > > > > > > Gilgamesh is basically copy of Atra-Hasis Epic(Nobody > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > contradicted > > > > > > > > > > > > it till-date that Flood story of Atra-Hasis Epic is > > > > copied > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Gilgamesh's Epic). Gilgamesh was the third king of > > > > > > Sumerians. > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > > imagine who predates on other lands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atra-Hasis = Atri-Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And JUST before flood of 2700 BCE on the ground > of > > > > > > > > Sumerians > > > > > > > > > > > > (means now known Sumerians is after of that flood) > there > > > > was > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > King > > > > > > > > > > > > named as Ziusudra (Zarasthura) , and i dont have to > tell > > > > who > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > was, > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > was the person who is the author of Avesta. Avestans > > > > > > (Persians, > > > > > > > > > > > > Iranians) are basically cousins of Vaidik ppl. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assyrians were Ashur as Atri rishi had told > about > > > > the > > > > > > > > Ashura > > > > > > > > > > > > Swarbhanu (Rahu) who engulf Sun and Assyrians were > > > > > > descendant of > > > > > > > > > > Atri > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zarasthura (Ziu + Sura ) was Sura (Opposite of > > > > Ashur) > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > the the author of Epic Avesta of Zoroasterians ie of > > > > > > Iranians. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > s.com, > > > > > > > > " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It feels so good while reading your's > analysis > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > openly share > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your's views, you have touched almost every > > > > thing, > > > > > > let's > > > > > > > > > > begin > > > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combined analysis so that best come out and > > > > other > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > also become > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a part, feeling free. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding a point - Jup in Moola nakschatra > gives > > > > > > immense > > > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intution, phaldeepika, shambhu hora prakash > and > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > correctly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotisharnava Navnitam etc have said so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In his last days Edger was guided to know > about > > > > > > India, > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > once > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to tell about previous births and > > > > reincarnations, > > > > > > > > wikipedica > > > > > > > > > > > > says once > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young Jesus visited India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < I also have one chart of one boy who is > just > > > > 25 > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > > > > > but ppl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says he has psychic powers.( I have his > > > > details). > > > > > > Some > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Edgar Cayce was having. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Details of that Native are as below:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mar 11,1984 (Sun) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 08:09:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Delhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some ppl who knows him closely says that he > > > > has > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > > > > powers bt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am worried he may be hit by those spirits. > As > > > > Ma > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > blocking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fortunes of Sa which is in 8'th house and > there > > > > is > > > > > > > > complete > > > > > > > > > > > > imbalance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between 8'th and 12'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma+Sa+Ke are making stubborn combination > but > > > > at > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > in 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are mild stars. So those spirits may hit him > and > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > transit near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Sa and Ma and Ke may be fatal for him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is my frnd's frnd, many drug mafias take > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > and he has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been Chela and very close to Chandraswami. > His > > > > > > family's > > > > > > > > > > > > financial condns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not so good and he is also Mishraji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never met with that person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > praspandey@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One Correction - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > > > crossing > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 2'nd or sometimes in trines then native > > > > would be > > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > crossing > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2'nd or sometimes trines to 8'th house then > > > > native > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > major psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > aling@ > > > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Mishraji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some Views from my side :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His chart shows that he had possession > of > > > > some > > > > > > > > spirits > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never harmed him and those could be Female. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 12'th and 8'th and 4'th are > connected > > > > and > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Sa and Ve are so close. Sa + Ve use > to > > > > play > > > > > > > > main > > > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Psychic powers and those should be lord of > > > > mainly > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > but it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good that 12'th lord Me came in picture > and > > > > it is > > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > at same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees of Ve and Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Ra is near to Sa and Ve and just > before > > > > of > > > > > > Sa + > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blast of possessions of spirits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though above conditions are more than > > > > enough > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic powers. But some more points - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Amazingly it is happening in > Aquarius. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) It is good that Ma was not in 8'th > or > > > > in > > > > > > 2'nd > > > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirits might have hurt the native in violent > > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > > > crossing > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 2'nd or sometimes in trines then native > > > > would be > > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo is not getting any aspect or it is > not > > > > in > > > > > > trine > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > , from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house so native was enjoying and sensing > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > happenings > > > > > > > > > > > > and so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never would have come in whirl of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had 2-3 charts in which spirits took > > > > away > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those native hanged themselves and their > > > > relatives > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > sign of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some spirits. I will ask from a lady to again > > > > give > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > details > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she is from Europe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also have one chart of one boy who is > > > > just > > > > > > 25 > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > > > > > but ppl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says he has psychic powers.( I have his > > > > details). > > > > > > Some > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Edgar Cayce was having. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also know one lady from USA > (christian > > > > but > > > > > > > > follows > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tradition, but she is hard core American and > her > > > > no > > > > > > > > relative > > > > > > > > > > > > even from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asia) and she is fluent in hindi and sees > hindi > > > > > > movies. > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > > > says she > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can see spirits but she always sees spirits > when > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > about to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > die as her Bharani Nks is active. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Edgar Cayce was definitely having > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > abilities > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > high > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > class. This is extreme case one may see and > > > > validate > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VEDIC-ASTROLOGY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS :- I follow very basic concepts > during > > > > > > > > prediction > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > only see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how planets are fielded in D-1 only and try > to > > > > see > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > > > aling@ > > > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are few but rock solid, we are no > > > > fakes, > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > gurus, no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts, we are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those who discover more, we have fire > in > > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we are unbounded, I m little busy > these > > > > day > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 - 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be able to settle things down > and > > > > then > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > embark on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > journey to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new horizons of vedic astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls try to study Edgar Cayce's chart, > he > > > > was > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > went into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trans to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read akasik libraries, I mean coded > > > > mesages > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.near- death.com/experiences/ > > > > > > > > > > cayce02.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.near- death.com/ > > > > experiences/ > > > > > > > > > > cayce02.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ > > > > Edgar_Cayce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ > > > > Edgar_Cayce> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They say 8'th house is the one who > takes > > > > one > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > Mokscha, > > > > > > > > > > > > I told > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the one who takes one to mysticism - > > > > true or > > > > > > > > untrue, > > > > > > > > > > > > this was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the truth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which caused me leave one dozen > dogmatic > > > > > > > > jyotishis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > > > aling@ > > > > > > > > s.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhe > > > > > > aling@ > > > > > > > > s.com > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Dear Shri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont join any group as sometimes > it > > > > > > diverts > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > i have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other things in hand otherwise i dont > > > > have > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes i also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without telling owner of > > > > group > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > > > > > reappear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think you will not mind for the same > if > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to request you that > plz > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > imp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal id as it use to have some > good > > > > > > content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for the same! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am amazed to see so less members > in > > > > your > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > embarked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with creating group in April 07. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again to my dear Lalitji for > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > membership > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Dear Mani Avl, I can surely testify that you are my dear brotherly friend, Ravindramani. regards, Manoj ________________________________ C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani Fri, January 1, 2010 11:23:34 AM Re: Re: East, Direction of Religion !  Oh my God, I am C.S. Ravindramani. I have only one identity. Even with this one I am at a loss to understand " Who am I " . I have been following the thread betweeen you and Gopi. So I was curious what would be your response. Now it is postponed till July 2010. So I jumped in. Once again I swear I am C.S. Ravindramani and Ravindramani only and no body else. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani PS: There are some personal friends here they can attest me. Come on Manoj where are you? ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ======= On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 10:08 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>wrote: > > > NO NO -- Ravindramani jee! > > That 'bal-hath' was only aimed at Gopi_dada! > > For you (and others) I have an easier solution! Please ask your > teacher/Guru ;-) > > Unless you are confessing that Ravindramani jee and Gopi_dada are one an > same person with multiple identities! Are you :-)? > > RR_, > > > <% 40. com>, > " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani@ ...> wrote: > > > > Saheb Ji, > > > > I have to wait for another six months .... > > > > C.S. Raindramani > > > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 7:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi_dada, > > > > > > Regardless of your biological age, you sound like a wise elder brother > > > hence I am taking the liberty of addressing you as Dada! > > > > > > What I wrote or always write is very ordinary jyotish and nothing > fancy. > > > > > > And, surrender is never a loss! It is a very deliberate and powerful > act of > > > FREE-WILL that we human beings have been given as our most potent > KAVACH of > > > eternal security! I TRULY Believe in that for I HAVE personally > experienced > > > how powerful SURRENDER can be! > > > > > > My purpose in participating in these forums is not to get a 'rise', nor > to > > > attract clients or chelas or to plump my feathers, or to beat up on > others! > > > My goal also is not to elevate Jyotish from where it is to where I feel > it > > > should be! There are many others who have chosen to bear that cross and > > > kudos to them! > > > > > > As I promised you, God-willing, I will tell you come July 2010. Right > now, > > > even if I describe, explain, my words will not mean anything to you or > not > > > penetrate! Please trust my judgment on this matter :-) > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > <% 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > 40. com>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > // It has a strong-hold on the two most important houses in KPC! > Earning > > > > is KARM's dhanwhile KARM is where one invests earnings, sometimes to > > > > lose! The 10-11 thing instandard jyotish!// > > > > i always lose.Can you please elaborate?KPC? ... > > > > regards, > > > > gopi. > > > > <% 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > 40. com>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopiji! > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER is the most difficult and ABSOLUTELY THE SUPREME CHOICE! > If > > > > we were not such hard-nosed, hard-headed bunch here on Internet, by > now > > > > you would have found an idol of yours created on this highway and the > > > > gaon-walas arriving daily to pay homage to you! > > > > > > > > > > I am hardly what you may consider as a jyotishi or even scholar but > I > > > > would urge all beginners to pay attention to Saturn! High or Low, > weak > > > > or strong -- It has a strong-hold on the two most important houses in > > > > KPC! Earning is KARM's dhan while KARM is where one invests earnings, > > > > sometimes to lose! The 10-11 thing in standard jyotish! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > 40. com>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > //Your choice!// > > > > > > I have no choice wat so ever,but your wish.... > > > > > > in fact as you might have seen i have removed the post to edit.At > > > > that > > > > > > moment the power was off.What choice i have had?My life goes on > in > > > > > > SURRENDER not by choice(so called). > > > > > > My post was supposed to be read//ha..ha. ..the problem is i dont > > > > > > think(like others).When i sincerely/seriously asked myself LONG > AGO > > > > why > > > > > > i should think what others want me to think the whole thinking > > > > almost > > > > > > gone and LIVING began which the thinking process can not explain > in > > > > > > words..... > > > > > > probably and astrologically Sat exalted/vargottama in 2nd aspd by > > > > jup > > > > > > from 10th have had to do something about it along with 2nd lord > with > > > > > > ketu..... > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > <% 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > 40. com>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In that case Gopi_ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should stop asking but switch to telling and sharing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharing with all what arrives at your soul and which is but to > be > > > > > > given away and shared! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try this for six months and then come back and FRAP me if it > does > > > > not > > > > > > work positively for you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But no contact at all for the next six months with me or my > > > > thoughts > > > > > > or reading or responding to my postings and messages here or > > > > anywhere > > > > > > else -- until oh let us say First of July 2010 -- the > independence > > > > day > > > > > > of my current reality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your choice! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > <% 40. com>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > ha..ha...the problem is i dont think(like others).When i > > > > sincerely > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > myself why i should think what others want me to think the > whole > > > > > > > > thinking almost gone and LIVING began which the thinking > process > > > > can > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > explain in words..... > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > <% 40. com>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think of yourself as a jet-pilot in the cockpit of a plane > > > > with no > > > > > > > > windows or a security person in the monitoring room. All > reality > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > > to your senses through scopes, monitors and gauges! Big time > > > > > > > > transduction city! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the scopes are not well-tuned and clean, the in-coming > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > will be garbled and give a false sense of reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a second, even your five senses that you believe > > > > > > directly > > > > > > > > interact with reality is an illusion and can get fooled very > > > > easily. > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > you have ever had to go to a dentist and he or she > anesthetized > > > > your > > > > > > > > mouth -- when afterwards you tried to drink water from a cup, > > > > you > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > get the distinct feeling that the edge of the cup was broken! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR-, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > <% 40. com>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also a good one!!...one cant fix 'scope' for REALITY > though > > > > > > Reality > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > be in the perception.May be that makes a difference.The > > > > duality > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > differerence is also REALITY..... I dont seek IT because > it > > > > is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > front > > > > > > > > > > and also everywhere.. . > > > > > > > > > > HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > <% 40. com>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REALITY SHALL ALWAYS BE IN THE PERCEPTION! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't seek REALITY, before you have fixed the 'Scope' > that > > > > > > enables > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > to have PERCEPTION ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > <% 40. com>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > //I believe every Soul is inherently Divine and WILL > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually find its way back to where it belongs. > > > > > > > > > > > > " Nothing Real Can Be Threatened, > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing Unreal Exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > Therein Lies The Peace of God " . > > > > > > > > > > > > -A Course in Miracles.// > > > > > > > > > > > > good one indeed.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > <% 40. com>, > > > > Manoj Chandran > > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My views are not Exciting - but more traditional > and > > > > > > boring. > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > commenting about a religion that is not mine and some > > > > thing > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > not researched thoroughly, I prefer to be just that > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > and boring. As some one who does research R & D for a > > > > living, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > that even after carefully controlled experiments > and > > > > > > > trials, > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineers and Scientists go wrong. All this even when > > > > every > > > > > > > > thing is > > > > > > > > > > > > painfully and thoroughly documented. In Cases such > > > > > as > > > > > > these, > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > the " said events " have happened thousands of years > ago, > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > Authorship > > > > > > > > > > > > of documents is not easily attributable (is this > > > > > really > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > word?) > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > the legitimate owner, it may be prudent to let things > > > > lie > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > are. Ofcourse, just my boring opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You indeed have raised some valid points. The newly > > > > > > discovered > > > > > > > > > > Gospel > > > > > > > > > > > > of Thomas is indeed quite different from the > traditonal > > > > > > Gospels > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Luke, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark etc. It gives quite a different view of Jesus. > > > > > > > > Ofcourse > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > they have not been sactioned by the Church, they will > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > accepted by > > > > > > > > > > > > traditional Chistianity. So it is really up to > > > > Christians if > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > > to research that more. Thats where I leave that > > > > argument. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But ultimately I don't put much emotions in to > these > > > > > > > > questions, > > > > > > > > > > > > because from my simplistic point of view, I believe > > > > every > > > > > > Soul > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > inherently Divine and WILL eventually find its way > back > > > > to > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > belongs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Nothing Real Can Be Threatened, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing Unreal Exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therein Lies The Peace of God " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -A Course in Miracles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com> > <% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, December 28, 2009 8:44:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: East, Direction of > > > > Religion ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant_jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " Mayavini " realm of movies (even the > > > > " documentaries " > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > 'docu-dramas' ) must always be taken with a 'pinch of > > > > salt!' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you have seen the BLOCKBUSTER movie of > the > > > > last > > > > > > > > decade: > > > > > > > > > > > > GANDHI! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Movie-makers always have a creative license because > > > > they > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > creating > > > > > > > > > > > > a salable product! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SALT is not inconsequential! It can bring down > > > > KINGDOMS as > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > seen! And it completely destroys appetite and taste! > If > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > > none or > > > > > > > > > > > > even if there is too much! And not good for > 'plumbing' > > > > > > either!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " prashant " > > > > > > <praspandey@ > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < However, I have to disagree with your > > > > comment > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > " His > > > > > > > > > > > > teachings were completely Vedic " . I have read > the > > > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > > and I don't see any thing " Vedic " in it. Christianity > is > > > > > > > > primarily a > > > > > > > > > > > > religion of Grace. Quite different from Vedic > teaching > > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > theory of > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma. Infact they are poles apart. And also He was > much > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > a " Nice Soul " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very happy to get your so EXCITING - VIEWS, > and > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > say THANK YOU for giving me opportunity to write more > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to firstly take quotes from Bhavisya > > > > Purana > > > > > > > > > > (19:28-30) > > > > > > > > > > > > about Jesus Christ to put here . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " mlecchasa sthapito dharmo maya tacchrnu bhupate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manasam nirmalam krtva malam dehe subhasubham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > naigamam japamasthaya japeta nirmalam param > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nyayena satyavacasaa manasyaikena manavah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhyanena pujayedisam surya-mandala- samsthitam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > acaloyam prabhuh sakshat- atha suryocalah sada " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Translation of above VERSES are as below :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Please hear Oh king which religious principles I > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > established > > > > > > > > > > > > among the mlecchas. The living entity is subject to > good > > > > and > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > contaminations. The mind should be purified by taking > > > > > > recourse > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > proper > > > > > > > > > > > > conduct and performance of japa. By chanting the holy > > > > names > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > attains > > > > > > > > > > > > the highest purity. Just as the immovable sun > attracts, > > > > from > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > directions, the elements of all living beings, the > Lord > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > solar > > > > > > > > > > > > region, who is fixed and all-attractive, attracts the > > > > hearts > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > living creatures. Thus by following rules, speaking > > > > truthful > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > mental harmony and by meditation, Oh descendant of > Manu, > > > > one > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > worship that immovable Lord'. " (Bhavishya Purana > > > > 19:27-30.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Link is below:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.salagram .net/Jesus- Went-To-India. > > > > htm#You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have taken those above VERSES and its > translation > > > > from > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > site, > > > > > > > > > > > > so no manipulation from my-side in translation. Now > pl > > > > > > everybody > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > that according to the VERSES Jesus has talked of > Sun-God > > > > and > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > the main God of Rig-Vaidik Aryans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now we should also look into recent findings of > > > > > > > > archaeologist in > > > > > > > > > > > > QUMRAN Region ie near to Northern of DEAD-SEA(Jordan) > . > > > > > > > > > > Archaeologists > > > > > > > > > > > > have found some documents there which have been > remain > > > > > > untouched > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > 300 BCE and those documents were called as " The Dead > Sea > > > > > > > > scrolls " > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > those are basically " Hebrew Bible " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those were written by the priests of ESSENES > > > > community > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Qumran > > > > > > > > > > > > region ie " Teacher of Righteousness " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting things is that some running > philosophy > > > > of > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > just opposite of old Testament which have been found > in > > > > that > > > > > > > > region > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > and some beliefs and theology from that HOLY BIBLE > are > > > > as > > > > > > below > > > > > > > > :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Their theology included belief in the > immortality > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > that they would receive their souls back after death. > > > > Part > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > activities included purification by water rituals, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which was supported by rainwater catchment and > > > > storage. > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not manipulated above views, those are > > > > written by > > > > > > > > 80-90% > > > > > > > > > > > > scholars who studied it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above written lines conatin, basically Vaidik > > > > > > rituals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already said that Bible teachings were > completely > > > > > > Vaidic > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > nature > > > > > > > > > > > > but later Romans with Greeks, perverted it and wrote > > > > them > > > > > > > > according > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > their will. And now the many scholars from CHRISTIAN > > > > > > Community > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > and give abuses to VATICANS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Roman ruler of 4'th century AD ie > Constantine > > > > was > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > totally under influence of Vaidik tradition ie of > > > > > > Mithras(Mitra > > > > > > > > God) > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun God but St Paul changed the Bible just to get > hold > > > > over > > > > > > > > Europe > > > > > > > > > > > > according to their theology of meat eating, no soul > and > > > > > > > > sentiments > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > animals and no incarnation theory related to KARMA > and > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > teachings of > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus Christ illogical as the ppl who read Bible say > > > > that > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > strong gap in views of Gospels of Jesus(Manipulated > one > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > Romans+Greeks) which have been posed by Romans in > 4'th > > > > > > Century > > > > > > > > AD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They (Vaticans) not only manipulated the Jesus > > > > Christ > > > > > > > > teachings > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > also aired false theory of Aryan Invasion, now it has > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > completely > > > > > > > > > > > > refuted in open discussions in many forums. Still > they > > > > are > > > > > > > > abusing > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient religions by sitting in that top university > of > > > > WEST. > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > Pingree, Romila Thapar and Michael Witzel come in the > > > > same > > > > > > > > category. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > > Chandran > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant Ji and All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would urge interested people to watch the > Movie > > > > > > " Jesus > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > India " . Coincidentally I watched it just yesterday > > > > > > and it > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > an interesting view on this contreversial subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I have to disagree with your > > > > comment > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > " His > > > > > > > > > > > > teachings were completely Vedic " . I have read > the > > > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > > and I don't see any thing " Vedic " in it. Christianity > is > > > > > > > > primarily a > > > > > > > > > > > > religion of Grace. Quite different from Vedic > teaching > > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > theory of > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma. Infact they are poles apart. And also He was > much > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > a " Nice Soul " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant <praspandey@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, December 24, 2009 6:55:29 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > East, Direction of > > > > Religion ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > s.com, > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < wikipedica says once young Jesus visited > India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some words for Great Jesus Christ:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He was a nice soul and his teachings were > > > > completely > > > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > and he > > > > > > > > > > > > was in India not for short period but for 10 years > and > > > > he > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > > > Himalaya. About him there is mention in some Puranas. > > > > Bible > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > same, Pl refer to Old Testament not to Manipulated > one > > > > which > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > done by > > > > > > > > > > > > Romans Catholics. But now stories have been > manipulated > > > > and > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > written in New Manipulated Bible that he sent his > > > > disciple > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He born in Iraq and learn Vaidik ways of > teachings > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > Iraq > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > later from main source ie EAST (Bharat). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Roman-Catholics of Veticans changed his > > > > teachings > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > > > about 400 AD just to get hold of Europe where, there > was > > > > > > VEDIC > > > > > > > > > > Dharma > > > > > > > > > > > > and crushed it later and it is evident from ancient > > > > ETRUSCAN > > > > > > > > > > > > CIVILIZATION now it is no more there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Romulus was nice fellow and he was > > > > influenced > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > > > civilization which was there in Italy in the name of > > > > > > ETRUSCAN ( > > > > > > > > > > > > Descendant of Vaidik Atri Rishi) and Italy name is in > > > > the > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > civilization. Romans initially also made temples in > the > > > > name > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Atri > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi or one may say in the name of Etruscan > > > > Civilization > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > recently > > > > > > > > > > > > that Big temple has been found in Egypt by > archaeologist > > > > and > > > > > > > > name of > > > > > > > > > > > > that temple is Athrabhis (in The name of Atri Rishi). > > > > > > Everbody's > > > > > > > > eye > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > towards it BUT ROMAN CATHOLICS are quite scared Ha Ha > Ha > > > > > > > > > > Ha… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaidik civilization even predates on other > ground > > > > also > > > > > > > > like it > > > > > > > > > > > > predate to Sumerians civilization (Civilization on > > > > > > Mesopotamian > > > > > > > > > > ground). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most ancient epic of Sumerians which is in > the > > > > > > name of > > > > > > > > > > > > Gilgamesh is basically copy of Atra-Hasis Epic(Nobody > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > contradicted > > > > > > > > > > > > it till-date that Flood story of Atra-Hasis Epic is > > > > copied > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Gilgamesh's Epic). Gilgamesh was the third king of > > > > > > Sumerians. > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > > imagine who predates on other lands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atra-Hasis = Atri-Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And JUST before flood of 2700 BCE on the ground > of > > > > > > > > Sumerians > > > > > > > > > > > > (means now known Sumerians is after of that flood) > there > > > > was > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > King > > > > > > > > > > > > named as Ziusudra (Zarasthura) , and i dont have to > tell > > > > who > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > was, > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > was the person who is the author of Avesta. Avestans > > > > > > (Persians, > > > > > > > > > > > > Iranians) are basically cousins of Vaidik ppl. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assyrians were Ashur as Atri rishi had told > about > > > > the > > > > > > > > Ashura > > > > > > > > > > > > Swarbhanu (Rahu) who engulf Sun and Assyrians were > > > > > > descendant of > > > > > > > > > > Atri > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zarasthura (Ziu + Sura ) was Sura (Opposite of > > > > Ashur) > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > the the author of Epic Avesta of Zoroasterians ie of > > > > > > Iranians. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > s.com, > > > > > > > > " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It feels so good while reading your's > analysis > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > openly share > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your's views, you have touched almost every > > > > thing, > > > > > > let's > > > > > > > > > > begin > > > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combined analysis so that best come out and > > > > other > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > also become > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a part, feeling free. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding a point - Jup in Moola nakschatra > gives > > > > > > immense > > > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intution, phaldeepika, shambhu hora prakash > and > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > correctly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotisharnava Navnitam etc have said so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In his last days Edger was guided to know > about > > > > > > India, > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > once > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to tell about previous births and > > > > reincarnations, > > > > > > > > wikipedica > > > > > > > > > > > > says once > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young Jesus visited India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < I also have one chart of one boy who is > just > > > > 25 > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > > > > > but ppl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says he has psychic powers.( I have his > > > > details). > > > > > > Some > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Edgar Cayce was having. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Details of that Native are as below:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mar 11,1984 (Sun) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 08:09:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Delhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some ppl who knows him closely says that he > > > > has > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > > > > powers bt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am worried he may be hit by those spirits. > As > > > > Ma > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > blocking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fortunes of Sa which is in 8'th house and > there > > > > is > > > > > > > > complete > > > > > > > > > > > > imbalance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between 8'th and 12'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma+Sa+Ke are making stubborn combination > but > > > > at > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > in 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are mild stars. So those spirits may hit him > and > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > transit near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Sa and Ma and Ke may be fatal for him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is my frnd's frnd, many drug mafias take > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > and he has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been Chela and very close to Chandraswami. > His > > > > > > family's > > > > > > > > > > > > financial condns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not so good and he is also Mishraji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never met with that person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > praspandey@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One Correction - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > > > crossing > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 2'nd or sometimes in trines then native > > > > would be > > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > crossing > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2'nd or sometimes trines to 8'th house then > > > > native > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > major psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > aling@ > > > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Mishraji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some Views from my side :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His chart shows that he had possession > of > > > > some > > > > > > > > spirits > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never harmed him and those could be Female. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 12'th and 8'th and 4'th are > connected > > > > and > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Sa and Ve are so close. Sa + Ve use > to > > > > play > > > > > > > > main > > > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Psychic powers and those should be lord of > > > > mainly > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > but it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good that 12'th lord Me came in picture > and > > > > it is > > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > at same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees of Ve and Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Ra is near to Sa and Ve and just > before > > > > of > > > > > > Sa + > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blast of possessions of spirits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though above conditions are more than > > > > enough > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic powers. But some more points - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Amazingly it is happening in > Aquarius. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) It is good that Ma was not in 8'th > or > > > > in > > > > > > 2'nd > > > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirits might have hurt the native in violent > > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > > > crossing > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 2'nd or sometimes in trines then native > > > > would be > > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo is not getting any aspect or it is > not > > > > in > > > > > > trine > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > , from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house so native was enjoying and sensing > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > happenings > > > > > > > > > > > > and so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never would have come in whirl of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had 2-3 charts in which spirits took > > > > away > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those native hanged themselves and their > > > > relatives > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > sign of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some spirits. I will ask from a lady to again > > > > give > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > details > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she is from Europe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also have one chart of one boy who is > > > > just > > > > > > 25 > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > > > > > but ppl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says he has psychic powers.( I have his > > > > details). > > > > > > Some > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Edgar Cayce was having. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also know one lady from USA > (christian > > > > but > > > > > > > > follows > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tradition, but she is hard core American and > her > > > > no > > > > > > > > relative > > > > > > > > > > > > even from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asia) and she is fluent in hindi and sees > hindi > > > > > > movies. > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > > > says she > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can see spirits but she always sees spirits > when > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > about to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > die as her Bharani Nks is active. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Edgar Cayce was definitely having > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > abilities > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > high > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > class. This is extreme case one may see and > > > > validate > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VEDIC-ASTROLOGY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS :- I follow very basic concepts > during > > > > > > > > prediction > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > only see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how planets are fielded in D-1 only and try > to > > > > see > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > > > aling@ > > > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are few but rock solid, we are no > > > > fakes, > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > gurus, no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts, we are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those who discover more, we have fire > in > > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we are unbounded, I m little busy > these > > > > day > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 - 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be able to settle things down > and > > > > then > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > embark on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > journey to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new horizons of vedic astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls try to study Edgar Cayce's chart, > he > > > > was > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > went into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trans to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read akasik libraries, I mean coded > > > > mesages > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.near- death.com/experienc es/ > > > > > > > > > > cayce02.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.near- death.com/ > > > > experiences/ > > > > > > > > > > cayce02.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ > > > > Edgar_Cayce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ > > > > Edgar_Cayce> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They say 8'th house is the one who > takes > > > > one > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > Mokscha, > > > > > > > > > > > > I told > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the one who takes one to mysticism - > > > > true or > > > > > > > > untrue, > > > > > > > > > > > > this was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the truth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which caused me leave one dozen > dogmatic > > > > > > > > jyotishis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > > > aling@ > > > > > > > > s.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhe > > > > > > aling@ > > > > > > > > s.com > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Dear Shri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont join any group as sometimes > it > > > > > > diverts > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > i have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other things in hand otherwise i dont > > > > have > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes i also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without telling owner of > > > > group > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > > > > > reappear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think you will not mind for the same > if > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to request you that > plz > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > imp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal id as it use to have some > good > > > > > > content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for the same! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am amazed to see so less members > in > > > > your > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > embarked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with creating group in April 07. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again to my dear Lalitji for > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > membership > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Ravindramani jee! I once read a drama script! The title was: Rajiya phaans gayee gundon main! You are a wonderful person, and please stay that way as long as you live! :-) Just sharing something personal between us on this public forum! Based on past experiences in my lifetime: whenever someone told me to WAIT -- I took that to mean an invitation to explore independently! Never failed, so far! I hope your friend Gopi_jee took my advice and is not reading our guftagu! ;-) And I suggest that you follow that approach too, and any others that may be listening-in! Rohiniranjan , " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani wrote: > > Oh my God, > > I am C.S. Ravindramani. I have only one identity. Even with this one I am > at a loss to understand " Who am I " . > > I have been following the thread betweeen you and Gopi. So I was curious > what would be your response. Now it is postponed till July 2010. > > So I jumped in. > > Once again I swear I am C.S. Ravindramani and Ravindramani only and no body > else. > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani > > PS: There are some personal friends here they can attest me. Come on Manoj > where are you? > > ================================================================ > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 10:08 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vaniwrote: > > > > > > > NO NO -- Ravindramani jee! > > > > That 'bal-hath' was only aimed at Gopi_dada! > > > > For you (and others) I have an easier solution! Please ask your > > teacher/Guru ;-) > > > > Unless you are confessing that Ravindramani jee and Gopi_dada are one an > > same person with multiple identities! Are you :-)? > > > > RR_, > > > > > > <%40>, > > " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani@> wrote: > > > > > > Saheb Ji, > > > > > > I have to wait for another six months .... > > > > > > C.S. Raindramani > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 7:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi_dada, > > > > > > > > Regardless of your biological age, you sound like a wise elder brother > > > > hence I am taking the liberty of addressing you as Dada! > > > > > > > > What I wrote or always write is very ordinary jyotish and nothing > > fancy. > > > > > > > > And, surrender is never a loss! It is a very deliberate and powerful > > act of > > > > FREE-WILL that we human beings have been given as our most potent > > KAVACH of > > > > eternal security! I TRULY Believe in that for I HAVE personally > > experienced > > > > how powerful SURRENDER can be! > > > > > > > > My purpose in participating in these forums is not to get a 'rise', nor > > to > > > > attract clients or chelas or to plump my feathers, or to beat up on > > others! > > > > My goal also is not to elevate Jyotish from where it is to where I feel > > it > > > > should be! There are many others who have chosen to bear that cross and > > > > kudos to them! > > > > > > > > As I promised you, God-willing, I will tell you come July 2010. Right > > now, > > > > even if I describe, explain, my words will not mean anything to you or > > not > > > > penetrate! Please trust my judgment on this matter :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > <%40><% > > 40>, > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > // It has a strong-hold on the two most important houses in KPC! > > Earning > > > > > is KARM's dhanwhile KARM is where one invests earnings, sometimes to > > > > > lose! The 10-11 thing instandard jyotish!// > > > > > i always lose.Can you please elaborate?KPC?... > > > > > regards, > > > > > gopi. > > > > > <%40><% > > 40>, > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopiji! > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER is the most difficult and ABSOLUTELY THE SUPREME CHOICE! > > If > > > > > we were not such hard-nosed, hard-headed bunch here on Internet, by > > now > > > > > you would have found an idol of yours created on this highway and the > > > > > gaon-walas arriving daily to pay homage to you! > > > > > > > > > > > > I am hardly what you may consider as a jyotishi or even scholar but > > I > > > > > would urge all beginners to pay attention to Saturn! High or Low, > > weak > > > > > or strong -- It has a strong-hold on the two most important houses in > > > > > KPC! Earning is KARM's dhan while KARM is where one invests earnings, > > > > > sometimes to lose! The 10-11 thing in standard jyotish! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40><% > > 40>, > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > //Your choice!// > > > > > > > I have no choice wat so ever,but your wish.... > > > > > > > in fact as you might have seen i have removed the post to edit.At > > > > > that > > > > > > > moment the power was off.What choice i have had?My life goes on > > in > > > > > > > SURRENDER not by choice(so called). > > > > > > > My post was supposed to be read//ha..ha...the problem is i dont > > > > > > > think(like others).When i sincerely/seriously asked myself LONG > > AGO > > > > > why > > > > > > > i should think what others want me to think the whole thinking > > > > > almost > > > > > > > gone and LIVING began which the thinking process can not explain > > in > > > > > > > words..... > > > > > > > probably and astrologically Sat exalted/vargottama in 2nd aspd by > > > > > jup > > > > > > > from 10th have had to do something about it along with 2nd lord > > with > > > > > > > ketu..... > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > --- In <%40><% > > 40>, > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In that case Gopi_ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should stop asking but switch to telling and sharing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharing with all what arrives at your soul and which is but to > > be > > > > > > > given away and shared! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try this for six months and then come back and FRAP me if it > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > work positively for you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But no contact at all for the next six months with me or my > > > > > thoughts > > > > > > > or reading or responding to my postings and messages here or > > > > > anywhere > > > > > > > else -- until oh let us say First of July 2010 -- the > > independence > > > > > day > > > > > > > of my current reality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your choice! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > ha..ha...the problem is i dont think(like others).When i > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > myself why i should think what others want me to think the > > whole > > > > > > > > > thinking almost gone and LIVING began which the thinking > > process > > > > > can > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > explain in words..... > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think of yourself as a jet-pilot in the cockpit of a plane > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > windows or a security person in the monitoring room. All > > reality > > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > > > to your senses through scopes, monitors and gauges! Big time > > > > > > > > > transduction city! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the scopes are not well-tuned and clean, the in-coming > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > will be garbled and give a false sense of reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a second, even your five senses that you believe > > > > > > > directly > > > > > > > > > interact with reality is an illusion and can get fooled very > > > > > easily. > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > you have ever had to go to a dentist and he or she > > anesthetized > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > mouth -- when afterwards you tried to drink water from a cup, > > > > > you > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > get the distinct feeling that the edge of the cup was broken! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR-, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also a good one!!...one cant fix 'scope' for REALITY > > though > > > > > > > Reality > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > be in the perception.May be that makes a difference.The > > > > > duality > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > differerence is also REALITY.....I dont seek IT because > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > front > > > > > > > > > > > and also everywhere... > > > > > > > > > > > HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REALITY SHALL ALWAYS BE IN THE PERCEPTION! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't seek REALITY, before you have fixed the 'Scope' > > that > > > > > > > enables > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > to have PERCEPTION ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I believe every Soul is inherently Divine and WILL > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually find its way back to where it belongs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Nothing Real Can Be Threatened, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing Unreal Exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therein Lies The Peace of God " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > -A Course in Miracles.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > good one indeed.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > > Manoj Chandran > > > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My views are not Exciting - but more traditional > > and > > > > > > > boring. > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > > commenting about a religion that is not mine and some > > > > > thing > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > not researched thoroughly, I prefer to be just that > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > and boring. As some one who does research R & D for a > > > > > living, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even after carefully controlled experiments > > and > > > > > > > > > trials, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineers and Scientists go wrong. All this even when > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > thing is > > > > > > > > > > > > > painfully and thoroughly documented. In Cases such > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > these, > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > the " said events " have happened thousands of years > > ago, > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > Authorship > > > > > > > > > > > > > of documents is not easily attributable (is this > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > word?) > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > the legitimate owner, it may be prudent to let things > > > > > lie > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > are. Ofcourse, just my boring opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You indeed have raised some valid points. The newly > > > > > > > discovered > > > > > > > > > > > Gospel > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Thomas is indeed quite different from the > > traditonal > > > > > > > Gospels > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Luke, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark etc. It gives quite a different view of Jesus. > > > > > > > > > > > Ofcourse > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > they have not been sactioned by the Church, they will > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > accepted by > > > > > > > > > > > > > traditional Chistianity. So it is really up to > > > > > Christians if > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > > > to research that more. Thats where I leave that > > > > > argument. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But ultimately I don't put much emotions in to > > these > > > > > > > > > questions, > > > > > > > > > > > > > because from my simplistic point of view, I believe > > > > > every > > > > > > > Soul > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > inherently Divine and WILL eventually find its way > > back > > > > > to > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > belongs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Nothing Real Can Be Threatened, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing Unreal Exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therein Lies The Peace of God " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -A Course in Miracles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: <%40> > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, December 28, 2009 8:44:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: East, Direction of > > > > > Religion ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant_jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " Mayavini " realm of movies (even the > > > > > " documentaries " > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'docu-dramas' ) must always be taken with a 'pinch of > > > > > salt!' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you have seen the BLOCKBUSTER movie of > > the > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > decade: > > > > > > > > > > > > > GANDHI! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Movie-makers always have a creative license because > > > > > they > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > creating > > > > > > > > > > > > > a salable product! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SALT is not inconsequential! It can bring down > > > > > KINGDOMS as > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen! And it completely destroys appetite and taste! > > If > > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > > > none or > > > > > > > > > > > > > even if there is too much! And not good for > > 'plumbing' > > > > > > > either!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " prashant " > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < However, I have to disagreeÃÆ'‚ with your > > > > > comment > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > " His > > > > > > > > > > > > > teachings were completely Vedic " .ÃÆ'‚ I have read > > the > > > > > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I don't see any thing " Vedic " in it. Christianity > > is > > > > > > > > > primarily a > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion of Grace. Quite different from Vedic > > teaching > > > > > and > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > theory of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma. Infact they are poles apart. And also He was > > much > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > a " Nice Soul " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very happy to get your so EXCITING - VIEWS, > > and > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > say THANK YOU for giving me opportunity to write more > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to firstly take quotes from Bhavisya > > > > > Purana > > > > > > > > > > > (19:28-30) > > > > > > > > > > > > > about Jesus Christ to put here . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " mlecchasa sthapito dharmo maya tacchrnu bhupate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manasam nirmalam krtva malam dehe subhasubham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > naigamam japamasthaya japeta nirmalam param > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nyayena satyavacasaa manasyaikena manavah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhyanena pujayedisam surya-mandala- samsthitam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > acaloyam prabhuh sakshat- atha suryocalah sada " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Translation of above VERSES are as below :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Please hear Oh king which religious principles I > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > established > > > > > > > > > > > > > among the mlecchas. The living entity is subject to > > good > > > > > and > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > contaminations. The mind should be purified by taking > > > > > > > recourse > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > proper > > > > > > > > > > > > > conduct and performance of japa. By chanting the holy > > > > > names > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > attains > > > > > > > > > > > > > the highest purity. Just as the immovable sun > > attracts, > > > > > from > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > directions, the elements of all living beings, the > > Lord > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > solar > > > > > > > > > > > > > region, who is fixed and all-attractive, attracts the > > > > > hearts > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > living creatures. Thus by following rules, speaking > > > > > truthful > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > mental harmony and by meditation, Oh descendant of > > Manu, > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > worship that immovable Lord'. " (Bhavishya Purana > > > > > 19:27-30.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Link is below:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.salagram .net/Jesus- Went-To-India. > > > > > htm#You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have taken those above VERSES and its > > translation > > > > > from > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > site, > > > > > > > > > > > > > so no manipulation from my-side in translation. Now > > pl > > > > > > > everybody > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > that according to the VERSES Jesus has talked of > > Sun-God > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > the main God of Rig-Vaidik Aryans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now we should also look into recent findings of > > > > > > > > > archaeologist in > > > > > > > > > > > > > QUMRAN Region ie near to Northern of DEAD-SEA(Jordan) > > . > > > > > > > > > > > Archaeologists > > > > > > > > > > > > > have found some documents there which have been > > remain > > > > > > > untouched > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > 300 BCE and those documents were called as " The Dead > > Sea > > > > > > > > > scrolls " > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > those are basically " Hebrew Bible " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those were written by the priests of ESSENES > > > > > community > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Qumran > > > > > > > > > > > > > region ie " Teacher of Righteousness " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting things is that some running > > philosophy > > > > > of > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > just opposite of old Testament which have been found > > in > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > region > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > > and some beliefs and theology from that HOLY BIBLE > > are > > > > > as > > > > > > > below > > > > > > > > > :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Their theology included belief in the > > immortality > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > that they would receive their souls back after death. > > > > > Part > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > activities included purification by water rituals, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which was supported by rainwater catchment and > > > > > storage. > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not manipulated above views, those are > > > > > written by > > > > > > > > > 80-90% > > > > > > > > > > > > > scholars who studied it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above written lines conatin, basically Vaidik > > > > > > > rituals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already said that Bible teachings were > > completely > > > > > > > Vaidic > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > nature > > > > > > > > > > > > > but later Romans with Greeks, perverted it and wrote > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > according > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > their will. And now the many scholars from CHRISTIAN > > > > > > > Community > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > and give abuses to VATICANS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Roman ruler of 4'th century AD ie > > Constantine > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally under influence of Vaidik tradition ie of > > > > > > > Mithras(Mitra > > > > > > > > > God) > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun God but St Paul changed the Bible just to get > > hold > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > Europe > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to their theology of meat eating, no soul > > and > > > > > > > > > sentiments > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > animals and no incarnation theory related to KARMA > > and > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > teachings of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus Christ illogical as the ppl who read Bible say > > > > > that > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong gap in views of Gospels of Jesus(Manipulated > > one > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > Romans+Greeks) which have been posed by Romans in > > 4'th > > > > > > > Century > > > > > > > > > AD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They (Vaticans) not only manipulated the Jesus > > > > > Christ > > > > > > > > > teachings > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > also aired false theory of Aryan Invasion, now it has > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > completely > > > > > > > > > > > > > refuted in open discussions in many forums. Still > > they > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > abusing > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient religions by sitting in that top university > > of > > > > > WEST. > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pingree, Romila Thapar and Michael Witzel come in the > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > category. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > > > Chandran > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant Ji and All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would urge interested people to watch the > > Movie > > > > > > > " Jesus > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > India " . Coincidentally I watched it just yesterday > > > > > > > andÃÆ'‚ it > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > an interesting view on this contreversial subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I have to disagreeÃÆ'‚ with your > > > > > comment > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > " His > > > > > > > > > > > > > teachings were completely Vedic " .ÃÆ'‚ I have read > > the > > > > > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I don't see any thing " Vedic " in it. Christianity > > is > > > > > > > > > primarily a > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion of Grace. Quite different from Vedic > > teaching > > > > > and > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > theory of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma. Infact they are poles apart. And also He was > > much > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > a " Nice Soul " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant <praspandey@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, December 24, 2009 6:55:29 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > East, Direction of > > > > > Religion ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < wikipedica says once young Jesus visited > > India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some words for Great Jesus Christ:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He was a nice soul and his teachings were > > > > > completely > > > > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > > and he > > > > > > > > > > > > > was in India not for short period but for 10 years > > and > > > > > he > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > > > > Himalaya. About him there is mention in some Puranas. > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > same, Pl refer to Old Testament not to Manipulated > > one > > > > > which > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > done by > > > > > > > > > > > > > Romans Catholics. But now stories have been > > manipulated > > > > > and > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > written in New Manipulated Bible that he sent his > > > > > disciple > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He born in Iraq and learn Vaidik ways of > > teachings > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > Iraq > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > later from main source ie EAST (Bharat). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Roman-Catholics of Veticans changed his > > > > > teachings > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > > > > about 400 AD just to get hold of Europe where, there > > was > > > > > > > VEDIC > > > > > > > > > > > Dharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > and crushed it later and it is evident from ancient > > > > > ETRUSCAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > CIVILIZATION now it is no more there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Romulus was nice fellow and he was > > > > > influenced > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > > > > civilization which was there in Italy in the name of > > > > > > > ETRUSCAN ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > Descendant of Vaidik Atri Rishi) and Italy name is in > > > > > the > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > civilization. Romans initially also made temples in > > the > > > > > name > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Atri > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi or one may say in the name of Etruscan > > > > > Civilization > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > recently > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Big temple has been found in Egypt by > > archaeologist > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > name of > > > > > > > > > > > > > that temple is Athrabhis (in The name of Atri Rishi). > > > > > > > Everbody's > > > > > > > > > eye > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > towards it BUT ROMAN CATHOLICS are quite scared Ha Ha > > Ha > > > > > > > > > > > HaÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaidik civilization even predates on other > > ground > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > like it > > > > > > > > > > > > > predate to Sumerians civilization (Civilization on > > > > > > > Mesopotamian > > > > > > > > > > > ground). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most ancient epic of Sumerians which is in > > the > > > > > > > name of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gilgamesh is basically copy of Atra-Hasis Epic(Nobody > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > contradicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > it till-date that Flood story of Atra-Hasis Epic is > > > > > copied > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gilgamesh's Epic). Gilgamesh was the third king of > > > > > > > Sumerians. > > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagine who predates on other lands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atra-Hasis = Atri-Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And JUST before flood of 2700 BCE on the ground > > of > > > > > > > > > Sumerians > > > > > > > > > > > > > (means now known Sumerians is after of that flood) > > there > > > > > was > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > King > > > > > > > > > > > > > named as Ziusudra (Zarasthura) , and i dont have to > > tell > > > > > who > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > was, > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > was the person who is the author of Avesta. Avestans > > > > > > > (Persians, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iranians) are basically cousins of Vaidik ppl. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assyrians were Ashur as Atri rishi had told > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Ashura > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swarbhanu (Rahu) who engulf Sun and Assyrians were > > > > > > > descendant of > > > > > > > > > > > Atri > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zarasthura (Ziu + Sura ) was Sura (Opposite of > > > > > Ashur) > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > the the author of Epic Avesta of Zoroasterians ie of > > > > > > > Iranians. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It feels so good while reading your's > > analysis > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > openly share > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your's views, you have touched almost every > > > > > thing, > > > > > > > let's > > > > > > > > > > > begin > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combined analysis so that best come out and > > > > > other > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > also become > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a part, feeling free. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding a point - Jup in Moola nakschatra > > gives > > > > > > > immense > > > > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intution, phaldeepika, shambhu hora prakash > > and > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > correctly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotisharnava Navnitam etc have said so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In his last days Edger was guided to know > > about > > > > > > > India, > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > once > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to tell about previous births and > > > > > reincarnations, > > > > > > > > > wikipedica > > > > > > > > > > > > > says once > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young Jesus visited India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < I also have one chart of one boy who is > > just > > > > > 25 > > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > > > > > > but ppl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says he has psychic powers.( I have his > > > > > details). > > > > > > > Some > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Edgar Cayce was having. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Details of that Native are as below:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mar 11,1984 (Sun) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 08:09:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Delhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some ppl who knows him closely says that he > > > > > has > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > > > > > powers bt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am worried he may be hit by those spirits. > > As > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > blocking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fortunes of Sa which is in 8'th house and > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > complete > > > > > > > > > > > > > imbalance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between 8'th and 12'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma+Sa+Ke are making stubborn combination > > but > > > > > at > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > in 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are mild stars. So those spirits may hit him > > and > > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > transit near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Sa and Ma and Ke may be fatal for him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is my frnd's frnd, many drug mafias take > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been Chela and very close to Chandraswami. > > His > > > > > > > family's > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial condns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not so good and he is also Mishraji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never met with that person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > praspandey@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One Correction - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > > > > crossing > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 2'nd or sometimes in trines then native > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > > crossing > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2'nd or sometimes trines to 8'th house then > > > > > native > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > major psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > aling@ > > > > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Mishraji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some Views from my side :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His chart shows that he had possession > > of > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > spirits > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never harmed him and those could be Female. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 12'th and 8'th and 4'th are > > connected > > > > > and > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Sa and Ve are so close. Sa + Ve use > > to > > > > > play > > > > > > > > > main > > > > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Psychic powers and those should be lord of > > > > > mainly > > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > but it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good that 12'th lord Me came in picture > > and > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > at same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees of Ve and Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Ra is near to Sa and Ve and just > > before > > > > > of > > > > > > > Sa + > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blast of possessions of spirits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though above conditions are more than > > > > > enough > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic powers. But some more points - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Amazingly it is happening in > > Aquarius. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) It is good that Ma was not in 8'th > > or > > > > > in > > > > > > > 2'nd > > > > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirits might have hurt the native in violent > > > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > > > > crossing > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 2'nd or sometimes in trines then native > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo is not getting any aspect or it is > > not > > > > > in > > > > > > > trine > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > , from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house so native was enjoying and sensing > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > > happenings > > > > > > > > > > > > > and so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never would have come in whirl of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had 2-3 charts in which spirits took > > > > > away > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those native hanged themselves and their > > > > > relatives > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some spirits. I will ask from a lady to again > > > > > give > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > details > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she is from Europe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also have one chart of one boy who is > > > > > just > > > > > > > 25 > > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > > > > > > but ppl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says he has psychic powers.( I have his > > > > > details). > > > > > > > Some > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Edgar Cayce was having. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also know one lady from USA > > (christian > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > follows > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tradition, but she is hard core American and > > her > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > relative > > > > > > > > > > > > > even from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asia) and she is fluent in hindi and sees > > hindi > > > > > > > movies. > > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > > > > says she > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can see spirits but she always sees spirits > > when > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > about to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > die as her Bharani Nks is active. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Edgar Cayce was definitely having > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > abilities > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > high > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > class. This is extreme case one may see and > > > > > validate > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VEDIC-ASTROLOGY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS :- I follow very basic concepts > > during > > > > > > > > > prediction > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > only see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how planets are fielded in D-1 only and try > > to > > > > > see > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > > > > aling@ > > > > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are few but rock solid, we are no > > > > > fakes, > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > gurus, no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts, we are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those who discover more, we have fire > > in > > > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we are unbounded, I m little busy > > these > > > > > day > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 - 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be able to settle things down > > and > > > > > then > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > embark on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > journey to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new horizons of vedic astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls try to study Edgar Cayce's chart, > > he > > > > > was > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > went into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trans to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read akasik libraries, I mean coded > > > > > mesages > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.near- death.com/experiences/ > > > > > > > > > > > cayce02.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.near- death.com/ > > > > > experiences/ > > > > > > > > > > > cayce02.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ > > > > > Edgar_Cayce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ > > > > > Edgar_Cayce> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They say 8'th house is the one who > > takes > > > > > one > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > Mokscha, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I told > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the one who takes one to mysticism - > > > > > true or > > > > > > > > > untrue, > > > > > > > > > > > > > this was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the truth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which caused me leave one dozen > > dogmatic > > > > > > > > > jyotishis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > > > > aling@ > > > > > > > > > s.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhe > > > > > > > aling@ > > > > > > > > > s.com > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Dear Shri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont join any group as sometimes > > it > > > > > > > diverts > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other things in hand otherwise i dont > > > > > have > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes i also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without telling owner of > > > > > group > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > > > > > > reappear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think you will not mind for the same > > if > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to request you that > > plz > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > imp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal id as it use to have some > > good > > > > > > > content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for the same! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am amazed to see so less members > > in > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > embarked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with creating group in April 07. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again to my dear Lalitji for > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > > membership > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Dear Rohini ji, you are welcome. //And, surrender is never a loss! It is a very deliberate and powerfulact of FREE-WILL that we human beings have been given as our mostpotent KAVACH of eternal security! I TRULY Believe in that for I HAVEpersonally experienced how powerful SURRENDER can be!// wise words of wisdom.But i never said/felt it is LOSS!! //My purpose in participating in these forums is not to get a 'rise', nor to attract clients or chelas or to plump my feathers, or to beat up on others! My goal also is not to elevate Jyotish from where it is to where I feel it should be! There are many others who have chosen to bear that cross and kudos to them!// yes i agree. //As I promised you, God-willing, I will tell you come July 2010. Rightnow, even if I describe, explain, my words will not mean anything toyou or not penetrate! Please trust my judgment on this matter :-)// GOD WILLING is right,other things i am not sure since i am not sure of " next moment " .Since i trust GOD trusting anybody is part and parcel of THAT..... Regards, gopi. , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Gopi_dada, > > Regardless of your biological age, you sound like a wise elder brother hence I am taking the liberty of addressing you as Dada! > > What I wrote or always write is very ordinary jyotish and nothing fancy. > > And, surrender is never a loss! It is a very deliberate and powerful act of FREE-WILL that we human beings have been given as our most potent KAVACH of eternal security! I TRULY Believe in that for I HAVE personally experienced how powerful SURRENDER can be! > > My purpose in participating in these forums is not to get a 'rise', nor to attract clients or chelas or to plump my feathers, or to beat up on others! My goal also is not to elevate Jyotish from where it is to where I feel it should be! There are many others who have chosen to bear that cross and kudos to them! > > As I promised you, God-willing, I will tell you come July 2010. Right now, even if I describe, explain, my words will not mean anything to you or not penetrate! Please trust my judgment on this matter :-) > > Rohiniranjan > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > // It has a strong-hold on the two most important houses in KPC! Earning > > is KARM's dhanwhile KARM is where one invests earnings, sometimes to > > lose! The 10-11 thing instandard jyotish!// > > i always lose.Can you please elaborate?KPC?... > > regards, > > gopi. > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gopiji! > > > > > > SURRENDER is the most difficult and ABSOLUTELY THE SUPREME CHOICE! If > > we were not such hard-nosed, hard-headed bunch here on Internet, by now > > you would have found an idol of yours created on this highway and the > > gaon-walas arriving daily to pay homage to you! > > > > > > I am hardly what you may consider as a jyotishi or even scholar but I > > would urge all beginners to pay attention to Saturn! High or Low, weak > > or strong -- It has a strong-hold on the two most important houses in > > KPC! Earning is KARM's dhan while KARM is where one invests earnings, > > sometimes to lose! The 10-11 thing in standard jyotish! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > //Your choice!// > > > > I have no choice wat so ever,but your wish.... > > > > in fact as you might have seen i have removed the post to edit.At > > that > > > > moment the power was off.What choice i have had?My life goes on in > > > > SURRENDER not by choice(so called). > > > > My post was supposed to be read//ha..ha...the problem is i dont > > > > think(like others).When i sincerely/seriously asked myself LONG AGO > > why > > > > i should think what others want me to think the whole thinking > > almost > > > > gone and LIVING began which the thinking process can not explain in > > > > words..... > > > > probably and astrologically Sat exalted/vargottama in 2nd aspd by > > jup > > > > from 10th have had to do something about it along with 2nd lord with > > > > ketu..... > > > > -gopi. > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hmm... > > > > > > > > > > In that case Gopi_ji, > > > > > > > > > > You should stop asking but switch to telling and sharing! > > > > > > > > > > Sharing with all what arrives at your soul and which is but to be > > > > given away and shared! > > > > > > > > > > Try this for six months and then come back and FRAP me if it does > > not > > > > work positively for you! > > > > > > > > > > But no contact at all for the next six months with me or my > > thoughts > > > > or reading or responding to my postings and messages here or > > anywhere > > > > else -- until oh let us say First of July 2010 -- the independence > > day > > > > of my current reality! > > > > > > > > > > Your choice! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > ha..ha...the problem is i dont think(like others).When i > > sincerely > > > > asked > > > > > > myself why i should think what others want me to think the whole > > > > > > thinking almost gone and LIVING began which the thinking process > > can > > > > not > > > > > > explain in words..... > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think of yourself as a jet-pilot in the cockpit of a plane > > with no > > > > > > windows or a security person in the monitoring room. All reality > > > > coming > > > > > > to your senses through scopes, monitors and gauges! Big time > > > > > > transduction city! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the scopes are not well-tuned and clean, the in-coming > > > > information > > > > > > will be garbled and give a false sense of reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a second, even your five senses that you believe > > > > directly > > > > > > interact with reality is an illusion and can get fooled very > > easily. > > > > If > > > > > > you have ever had to go to a dentist and he or she anesthetized > > your > > > > > > mouth -- when afterwards you tried to drink water from a cup, > > you > > > > would > > > > > > get the distinct feeling that the edge of the cup was broken! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR-, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > gopi_b927@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also a good one!!...one cant fix 'scope' for REALITY though > > > > Reality > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > be in the perception.May be that makes a difference.The > > duality > > > > of > > > > > > > > differerence is also REALITY.....I dont seek IT because it > > is > > > > in > > > > > > front > > > > > > > > and also everywhere... > > > > > > > > HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REALITY SHALL ALWAYS BE IN THE PERCEPTION! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't seek REALITY, before you have fixed the 'Scope' that > > > > enables > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > to have PERCEPTION ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > > //I believe every Soul is inherently Divine and WILL > > > > > > > > > > eventually find its way back to where it belongs. > > > > > > > > > > " Nothing Real Can Be Threatened, > > > > > > > > > > Nothing Unreal Exists, > > > > > > > > > > Therein Lies The Peace of God " . > > > > > > > > > > -A Course in Miracles.// > > > > > > > > > > good one indeed.... > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Chandran > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My views are not Exciting - but more traditional and > > > > boring. > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > commenting about a religion that is not mine and some > > thing > > > > that > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > not researched thoroughly, I prefer to be just that > > - > > > > > > > > traditional > > > > > > > > > > and boring. As some one who does research R & D for a > > living, > > > > I > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > that even after carefully controlled experiments and > > > > trials, > > > > > > > > > > Engineers and Scientists go wrong. All this even when > > every > > > > > > thing is > > > > > > > > > > painfully and thoroughly documented. In Cases such > > as > > > > these, > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > the " said events " have happened thousands of years ago, > > when > > > > > > > > Authorship > > > > > > > > > > of documents is not easily attributable (is this > > really > > > > a > > > > > > word?) > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the legitimate owner, it may be prudent to let things > > lie > > > > the > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > are. Ofcourse, just my boring opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You indeed have raised some valid points. The newly > > > > discovered > > > > > > > > Gospel > > > > > > > > > > of Thomas is indeed quite different from the traditonal > > > > Gospels > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Luke, > > > > > > > > > > Mark etc. It gives quite a different view of Jesus. > > > > Ofcourse > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > they have not been sactioned by the Church, they will > > not be > > > > > > > > accepted by > > > > > > > > > > traditional Chistianity. So it is really up to > > Christians if > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > to research that more. Thats where I leave that > > argument. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But ultimately I don't put much emotions in to these > > > > > > questions, > > > > > > > > > > because from my simplistic point of view, I believe > > every > > > > Soul > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > inherently Divine and WILL eventually find its way back > > to > > > > where > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > belongs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Nothing Real Can Be Threatened, > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing Unreal Exists, > > > > > > > > > > > Therein Lies The Peace of God " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -A Course in Miracles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, December 28, 2009 8:44:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: East, Direction of > > Religion ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant_jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " Mayavini " realm of movies (even the > > " documentaries " > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 'docu-dramas' ) must always be taken with a 'pinch of > > salt!' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you have seen the BLOCKBUSTER movie of the > > last > > > > > > decade: > > > > > > > > > > GANDHI! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Movie-makers always have a creative license because > > they > > > > are > > > > > > > > creating > > > > > > > > > > a salable product! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SALT is not inconsequential! It can bring down > > KINGDOMS as > > > > we > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > seen! And it completely destroys appetite and taste! If > > > > there is > > > > > > > > none or > > > > > > > > > > even if there is too much! And not good for 'plumbing' > > > > either!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " prashant " > > > > <praspandey@ > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < However, I have to disagree with your > > comment > > > > about > > > > > > " His > > > > > > > > > > teachings were completely Vedic " . I have read the > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > and I don't see any thing " Vedic " in it. Christianity is > > > > > > primarily a > > > > > > > > > > religion of Grace. Quite different from Vedic teaching > > and > > > > the > > > > > > > > theory of > > > > > > > > > > Karma. Infact they are poles apart. And also He was much > > > > more > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > a " Nice Soul " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very happy to get your so EXCITING - VIEWS, and > > > > would > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > say THANK YOU for giving me opportunity to write more > > > > clearly > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to firstly take quotes from Bhavisya > > Purana > > > > > > > > (19:28-30) > > > > > > > > > > about Jesus Christ to put here . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " mlecchasa sthapito dharmo maya tacchrnu bhupate > > > > > > > > > > > > manasam nirmalam krtva malam dehe subhasubham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > naigamam japamasthaya japeta nirmalam param > > > > > > > > > > > > nyayena satyavacasaa manasyaikena manavah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhyanena pujayedisam surya-mandala- samsthitam > > > > > > > > > > > > acaloyam prabhuh sakshat- atha suryocalah sada " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Translation of above VERSES are as below :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Please hear Oh king which religious principles I > > have > > > > > > > > established > > > > > > > > > > among the mlecchas. The living entity is subject to good > > and > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > contaminations. The mind should be purified by taking > > > > recourse > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > proper > > > > > > > > > > conduct and performance of japa. By chanting the holy > > names > > > > one > > > > > > > > attains > > > > > > > > > > the highest purity. Just as the immovable sun attracts, > > from > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > directions, the elements of all living beings, the Lord > > of > > > > the > > > > > > solar > > > > > > > > > > region, who is fixed and all-attractive, attracts the > > hearts > > > > of > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > living creatures. Thus by following rules, speaking > > truthful > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > mental harmony and by meditation, Oh descendant of Manu, > > one > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > worship that immovable Lord'. " (Bhavishya Purana > > 19:27-30.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Link is below:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.salagram .net/Jesus- Went-To-India. > > htm#You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have taken those above VERSES and its translation > > from > > > > one > > > > > > > > site, > > > > > > > > > > so no manipulation from my-side in translation. Now pl > > > > everybody > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > that according to the VERSES Jesus has talked of Sun-God > > and > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the main God of Rig-Vaidik Aryans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now we should also look into recent findings of > > > > > > archaeologist in > > > > > > > > > > QUMRAN Region ie near to Northern of DEAD-SEA(Jordan) . > > > > > > > > Archaeologists > > > > > > > > > > have found some documents there which have been remain > > > > untouched > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > 300 BCE and those documents were called as " The Dead Sea > > > > > > scrolls " > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > those are basically " Hebrew Bible " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those were written by the priests of ESSENES > > community > > > > of > > > > > > Qumran > > > > > > > > > > region ie " Teacher of Righteousness " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting things is that some running philosophy > > of > > > > Holy > > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > just opposite of old Testament which have been found in > > that > > > > > > region > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > and some beliefs and theology from that HOLY BIBLE are > > as > > > > below > > > > > > :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Their theology included belief in the immortality > > of > > > > the > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > that they would receive their souls back after death. > > Part > > > > of > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > activities included purification by water rituals, > > > > > > > > > > > > which was supported by rainwater catchment and > > storage. > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not manipulated above views, those are > > written by > > > > > > 80-90% > > > > > > > > > > scholars who studied it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above written lines conatin, basically Vaidik > > > > rituals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already said that Bible teachings were completely > > > > Vaidic > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > nature > > > > > > > > > > but later Romans with Greeks, perverted it and wrote > > them > > > > > > according > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > their will. And now the many scholars from CHRISTIAN > > > > Community > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > and give abuses to VATICANS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Roman ruler of 4'th century AD ie Constantine > > was > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > totally under influence of Vaidik tradition ie of > > > > Mithras(Mitra > > > > > > God) > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Sun God but St Paul changed the Bible just to get hold > > over > > > > > > Europe > > > > > > > > > > according to their theology of meat eating, no soul and > > > > > > sentiments > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > animals and no incarnation theory related to KARMA and > > made > > > > > > > > teachings of > > > > > > > > > > Jesus Christ illogical as the ppl who read Bible say > > that > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > strong gap in views of Gospels of Jesus(Manipulated one > > by > > > > > > > > > > Romans+Greeks) which have been posed by Romans in 4'th > > > > Century > > > > > > AD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They (Vaticans) not only manipulated the Jesus > > Christ > > > > > > teachings > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > also aired false theory of Aryan Invasion, now it has > > been > > > > > > > > completely > > > > > > > > > > refuted in open discussions in many forums. Still they > > are > > > > > > abusing > > > > > > > > > > ancient religions by sitting in that top university of > > WEST. > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > Pingree, Romila Thapar and Michael Witzel come in the > > same > > > > > > category. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > Chandran > > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant Ji and All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would urge interested people to watch the Movie > > > > " Jesus > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > India " . Coincidentally I watched it just yesterday > > > > and it > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > an interesting view on this contreversial subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I have to disagree with your > > comment > > > > about > > > > > > > > " His > > > > > > > > > > teachings were completely Vedic " . I have read the > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > and I don't see any thing " Vedic " in it. Christianity is > > > > > > primarily a > > > > > > > > > > religion of Grace. Quite different from Vedic teaching > > and > > > > the > > > > > > > > theory of > > > > > > > > > > Karma. Infact they are poles apart. And also He was much > > > > more > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > a " Nice Soul " . > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant <praspandey@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, December 24, 2009 6:55:29 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > East, Direction of > > Religion ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < wikipedica says once young Jesus visited India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some words for Great Jesus Christ:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He was a nice soul and his teachings were > > completely > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > and he > > > > > > > > > > was in India not for short period but for 10 years and > > he > > > > was > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > Himalaya. About him there is mention in some Puranas. > > Bible > > > > also > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > same, Pl refer to Old Testament not to Manipulated one > > which > > > > was > > > > > > > > done by > > > > > > > > > > Romans Catholics. But now stories have been manipulated > > and > > > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > written in New Manipulated Bible that he sent his > > disciple > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He born in Iraq and learn Vaidik ways of teachings > > > > from > > > > > > Iraq > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > later from main source ie EAST (Bharat). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Roman-Catholics of Veticans changed his > > teachings > > > > in > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > about 400 AD just to get hold of Europe where, there was > > > > VEDIC > > > > > > > > Dharma > > > > > > > > > > and crushed it later and it is evident from ancient > > ETRUSCAN > > > > > > > > > > CIVILIZATION now it is no more there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Romulus was nice fellow and he was > > influenced > > > > by > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > civilization which was there in Italy in the name of > > > > ETRUSCAN ( > > > > > > > > > > Descendant of Vaidik Atri Rishi) and Italy name is in > > the > > > > name > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > civilization. Romans initially also made temples in the > > name > > > > of > > > > > > Atri > > > > > > > > > > Rishi or one may say in the name of Etruscan > > Civilization > > > > and > > > > > > > > recently > > > > > > > > > > that Big temple has been found in Egypt by archaeologist > > and > > > > > > name of > > > > > > > > > > that temple is Athrabhis (in The name of Atri Rishi). > > > > Everbody's > > > > > > eye > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > towards it BUT ROMAN CATHOLICS are quite scared Ha Ha Ha > > > > > > > > Ha… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaidik civilization even predates on other ground > > also > > > > > > like it > > > > > > > > > > predate to Sumerians civilization (Civilization on > > > > Mesopotamian > > > > > > > > ground). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most ancient epic of Sumerians which is in the > > > > name of > > > > > > > > > > Gilgamesh is basically copy of Atra-Hasis Epic(Nobody > > has > > > > > > > > contradicted > > > > > > > > > > it till-date that Flood story of Atra-Hasis Epic is > > copied > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Gilgamesh's Epic). Gilgamesh was the third king of > > > > Sumerians. > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > imagine who predates on other lands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atra-Hasis = Atri-Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And JUST before flood of 2700 BCE on the ground of > > > > > > Sumerians > > > > > > > > > > (means now known Sumerians is after of that flood) there > > was > > > > a > > > > > > King > > > > > > > > > > named as Ziusudra (Zarasthura) , and i dont have to tell > > who > > > > he > > > > > > was, > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > was the person who is the author of Avesta. Avestans > > > > (Persians, > > > > > > > > > > Iranians) are basically cousins of Vaidik ppl. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assyrians were Ashur as Atri rishi had told about > > the > > > > > > Ashura > > > > > > > > > > Swarbhanu (Rahu) who engulf Sun and Assyrians were > > > > descendant of > > > > > > > > Atri > > > > > > > > > > Rishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zarasthura (Ziu + Sura ) was Sura (Opposite of > > Ashur) > > > > and > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > the the author of Epic Avesta of Zoroasterians ie of > > > > Iranians. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > > > > > " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It feels so good while reading your's analysis > > > > because > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > openly share > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your's views, you have touched almost every > > thing, > > > > let's > > > > > > > > begin > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combined analysis so that best come out and > > other > > > > people > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > also become > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a part, feeling free. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding a point - Jup in Moola nakschatra gives > > > > immense > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intution, phaldeepika, shambhu hora prakash and > > If I > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > correctly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotisharnava Navnitam etc have said so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In his last days Edger was guided to know about > > > > India, > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > once > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to tell about previous births and > > reincarnations, > > > > > > wikipedica > > > > > > > > > > says once > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young Jesus visited India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > s.com, > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < I also have one chart of one boy who is just > > 25 > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > > > but ppl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says he has psychic powers.( I have his > > details). > > > > Some > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Edgar Cayce was having. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Details of that Native are as below:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mar 11,1984 (Sun) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 08:09:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Delhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some ppl who knows him closely says that he > > has > > > > some > > > > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > > powers bt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am worried he may be hit by those spirits. As > > Ma > > > > and > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > blocking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fortunes of Sa which is in 8'th house and there > > is > > > > > > complete > > > > > > > > > > imbalance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between 8'th and 12'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma+Sa+Ke are making stubborn combination but > > at > > > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > in 12 > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are mild stars. So those spirits may hit him and > > > > coming > > > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > transit near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Sa and Ma and Ke may be fatal for him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is my frnd's frnd, many drug mafias take > > his > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > and he has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been Chela and very close to Chandraswami. His > > > > family's > > > > > > > > > > financial condns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not so good and he is also Mishraji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never met with that person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > s.com, > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > praspandey@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One Correction - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > crossing > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 2'nd or sometimes in trines then native > > would be > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > crossing > > > > his > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > 12'th and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2'nd or sometimes trines to 8'th house then > > native > > > > would > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > major psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Mishraji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some Views from my side :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His chart shows that he had possession of > > some > > > > > > spirits > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never harmed him and those could be Female. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 12'th and 8'th and 4'th are connected > > and > > > > those > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > 8'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Sa and Ve are so close. Sa + Ve use to > > play > > > > > > main > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Psychic powers and those should be lord of > > mainly > > > > 8'th > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > but it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good that 12'th lord Me came in picture and > > it is > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > at same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees of Ve and Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Ra is near to Sa and Ve and just before > > of > > > > Sa + > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blast of possessions of spirits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though above conditions are more than > > enough > > > > to > > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic powers. But some more points - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Amazingly it is happening in Aquarius. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) It is good that Ma was not in 8'th or > > in > > > > 2'nd > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirits might have hurt the native in violent > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > crossing > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 2'nd or sometimes in trines then native > > would be > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo is not getting any aspect or it is not > > in > > > > trine > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > , from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house so native was enjoying and sensing > > whole > > > > > > > > happenings > > > > > > > > > > and so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never would have come in whirl of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had 2-3 charts in which spirits took > > away > > > > life > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those native hanged themselves and their > > relatives > > > > found > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > sign of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some spirits. I will ask from a lady to again > > give > > > > those > > > > > > > > details > > > > > > > > > > to me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she is from Europe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also have one chart of one boy who is > > just > > > > 25 > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > > > but ppl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says he has psychic powers.( I have his > > details). > > > > Some > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Edgar Cayce was having. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also know one lady from USA (christian > > but > > > > > > follows > > > > > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tradition, but she is hard core American and her > > no > > > > > > relative > > > > > > > > > > even from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asia) and she is fluent in hindi and sees hindi > > > > movies. > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > says she > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can see spirits but she always sees spirits when > > > > person > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > about to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > die as her Bharani Nks is active. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Edgar Cayce was definitely having > > psychic > > > > > > abilities > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > high > > > > > > > > > > > > > > class. This is extreme case one may see and > > validate > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > concepts of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VEDIC-ASTROLOGY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS :- I follow very basic concepts during > > > > > > prediction > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > only see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how planets are fielded in D-1 only and try to > > see > > > > how > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > aling@ > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are few but rock solid, we are no > > fakes, > > > > no > > > > > > > > gurus, no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts, we are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those who discover more, we have fire in > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we are unbounded, I m little busy these > > day > > > > but > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > 10 - 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be able to settle things down and > > then > > > > we > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > embark on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > journey to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new horizons of vedic astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls try to study Edgar Cayce's chart, he > > was > > > > one > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > went into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trans to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read akasik libraries, I mean coded > > mesages > > > > of > > > > > > > > universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.near- death.com/ experiences/ > > > > > > > > cayce02.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.near- death.com/ > > experiences/ > > > > > > > > cayce02.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ > > Edgar_Cayce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ > > Edgar_Cayce> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They say 8'th house is the one who takes > > one > > > > to > > > > > > > > Mokscha, > > > > > > > > > > I told > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the one who takes one to mysticism - > > true or > > > > > > untrue, > > > > > > > > > > this was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the truth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which caused me leave one dozen dogmatic > > > > > > jyotishis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > aling@ > > > > > > s.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhe > > > > aling@ > > > > > > s.com > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Dear Shri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont join any group as sometimes it > > > > diverts > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > i have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other things in hand otherwise i dont > > have > > > > any > > > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes i also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without telling owner of > > group > > > > and > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > > > reappear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think you will not mind for the same if > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to request you that plz > > > > always > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > imp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal id as it use to have some good > > > > content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for the same! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am amazed to see so less members in > > your > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > embarked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with creating group in April 07. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again to my dear Lalitji for > > giving > > > > > > > > membership > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Dear Ranjan ji, you really made me lough!!!.... gopi. , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > NO NO -- Ravindramani jee! > > That 'bal-hath' was only aimed at Gopi_dada! > > For you (and others) I have an easier solution! Please ask your teacher/Guru ;-) > > Unless you are confessing that Ravindramani jee and Gopi_dada are one an same person with multiple identities! Are you :-)? > > RR_, > > > > > , " C.S. Ravindramani " ravindramani@ wrote: > > > > Saheb Ji, > > > > I have to wait for another six months .... > > > > C.S. Raindramani > > > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 7:44 AM, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi_dada, > > > > > > Regardless of your biological age, you sound like a wise elder brother > > > hence I am taking the liberty of addressing you as Dada! > > > > > > What I wrote or always write is very ordinary jyotish and nothing fancy. > > > > > > And, surrender is never a loss! It is a very deliberate and powerful act of > > > FREE-WILL that we human beings have been given as our most potent KAVACH of > > > eternal security! I TRULY Believe in that for I HAVE personally experienced > > > how powerful SURRENDER can be! > > > > > > My purpose in participating in these forums is not to get a 'rise', nor to > > > attract clients or chelas or to plump my feathers, or to beat up on others! > > > My goal also is not to elevate Jyotish from where it is to where I feel it > > > should be! There are many others who have chosen to bear that cross and > > > kudos to them! > > > > > > As I promised you, God-willing, I will tell you come July 2010. Right now, > > > even if I describe, explain, my words will not mean anything to you or not > > > penetrate! Please trust my judgment on this matter :-) > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > <%40>, > > > " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > // It has a strong-hold on the two most important houses in KPC! Earning > > > > is KARM's dhanwhile KARM is where one invests earnings, sometimes to > > > > lose! The 10-11 thing instandard jyotish!// > > > > i always lose.Can you please elaborate?KPC?... > > > > regards, > > > > gopi. > > > > <%40>, > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopiji! > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER is the most difficult and ABSOLUTELY THE SUPREME CHOICE! If > > > > we were not such hard-nosed, hard-headed bunch here on Internet, by now > > > > you would have found an idol of yours created on this highway and the > > > > gaon-walas arriving daily to pay homage to you! > > > > > > > > > > I am hardly what you may consider as a jyotishi or even scholar but I > > > > would urge all beginners to pay attention to Saturn! High or Low, weak > > > > or strong -- It has a strong-hold on the two most important houses in > > > > KPC! Earning is KARM's dhan while KARM is where one invests earnings, > > > > sometimes to lose! The 10-11 thing in standard jyotish! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > //Your choice!// > > > > > > I have no choice wat so ever,but your wish.... > > > > > > in fact as you might have seen i have removed the post to edit.At > > > > that > > > > > > moment the power was off.What choice i have had?My life goes on in > > > > > > SURRENDER not by choice(so called). > > > > > > My post was supposed to be read//ha..ha...the problem is i dont > > > > > > think(like others).When i sincerely/seriously asked myself LONG AGO > > > > why > > > > > > i should think what others want me to think the whole thinking > > > > almost > > > > > > gone and LIVING began which the thinking process can not explain in > > > > > > words..... > > > > > > probably and astrologically Sat exalted/vargottama in 2nd aspd by > > > > jup > > > > > > from 10th have had to do something about it along with 2nd lord with > > > > > > ketu..... > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > <%40>, > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In that case Gopi_ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should stop asking but switch to telling and sharing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharing with all what arrives at your soul and which is but to be > > > > > > given away and shared! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try this for six months and then come back and FRAP me if it does > > > > not > > > > > > work positively for you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But no contact at all for the next six months with me or my > > > > thoughts > > > > > > or reading or responding to my postings and messages here or > > > > anywhere > > > > > > else -- until oh let us say First of July 2010 -- the independence > > > > day > > > > > > of my current reality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your choice! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > ha..ha...the problem is i dont think(like others).When i > > > > sincerely > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > myself why i should think what others want me to think the whole > > > > > > > > thinking almost gone and LIVING began which the thinking process > > > > can > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > explain in words..... > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think of yourself as a jet-pilot in the cockpit of a plane > > > > with no > > > > > > > > windows or a security person in the monitoring room. All reality > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > > to your senses through scopes, monitors and gauges! Big time > > > > > > > > transduction city! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the scopes are not well-tuned and clean, the in-coming > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > will be garbled and give a false sense of reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a second, even your five senses that you believe > > > > > > directly > > > > > > > > interact with reality is an illusion and can get fooled very > > > > easily. > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > you have ever had to go to a dentist and he or she anesthetized > > > > your > > > > > > > > mouth -- when afterwards you tried to drink water from a cup, > > > > you > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > get the distinct feeling that the edge of the cup was broken! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR-, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also a good one!!...one cant fix 'scope' for REALITY though > > > > > > Reality > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > be in the perception.May be that makes a difference.The > > > > duality > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > differerence is also REALITY.....I dont seek IT because it > > > > is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > front > > > > > > > > > > and also everywhere... > > > > > > > > > > HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REALITY SHALL ALWAYS BE IN THE PERCEPTION! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't seek REALITY, before you have fixed the 'Scope' that > > > > > > enables > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > to have PERCEPTION ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > //I believe every Soul is inherently Divine and WILL > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually find its way back to where it belongs. > > > > > > > > > > > > " Nothing Real Can Be Threatened, > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing Unreal Exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > Therein Lies The Peace of God " . > > > > > > > > > > > > -A Course in Miracles.// > > > > > > > > > > > > good one indeed.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > > Manoj Chandran > > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My views are not Exciting - but more traditional and > > > > > > boring. > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > commenting about a religion that is not mine and some > > > > thing > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > not researched thoroughly, I prefer to be just that > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > and boring. As some one who does research R & D for a > > > > living, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > that even after carefully controlled experiments and > > > > > > trials, > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineers and Scientists go wrong. All this even when > > > > every > > > > > > > > thing is > > > > > > > > > > > > painfully and thoroughly documented. In Cases such > > > > as > > > > > > these, > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > the " said events " have happened thousands of years ago, > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > Authorship > > > > > > > > > > > > of documents is not easily attributable (is this > > > > really > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > word?) > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > the legitimate owner, it may be prudent to let things > > > > lie > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > are. Ofcourse, just my boring opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You indeed have raised some valid points. The newly > > > > > > discovered > > > > > > > > > > Gospel > > > > > > > > > > > > of Thomas is indeed quite different from the traditonal > > > > > > Gospels > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Luke, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark etc. It gives quite a different view of Jesus. > > > > > > Ofcourse > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > they have not been sactioned by the Church, they will > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > accepted by > > > > > > > > > > > > traditional Chistianity. So it is really up to > > > > Christians if > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > > to research that more. Thats where I leave that > > > > argument. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But ultimately I don't put much emotions in to these > > > > > > > > questions, > > > > > > > > > > > > because from my simplistic point of view, I believe > > > > every > > > > > > Soul > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > inherently Divine and WILL eventually find its way back > > > > to > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > belongs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Nothing Real Can Be Threatened, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing Unreal Exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therein Lies The Peace of God " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -A Course in Miracles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, December 28, 2009 8:44:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: East, Direction of > > > > Religion ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant_jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " Mayavini " realm of movies (even the > > > > " documentaries " > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > 'docu-dramas' ) must always be taken with a 'pinch of > > > > salt!' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you have seen the BLOCKBUSTER movie of the > > > > last > > > > > > > > decade: > > > > > > > > > > > > GANDHI! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Movie-makers always have a creative license because > > > > they > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > creating > > > > > > > > > > > > a salable product! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SALT is not inconsequential! It can bring down > > > > KINGDOMS as > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > seen! And it completely destroys appetite and taste! If > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > > none or > > > > > > > > > > > > even if there is too much! And not good for 'plumbing' > > > > > > either!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " prashant " > > > > > > <praspandey@ > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < However, I have to disagree with your > > > > comment > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > " His > > > > > > > > > > > > teachings were completely Vedic " . I have read the > > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > > and I don't see any thing " Vedic " in it. Christianity is > > > > > > > > primarily a > > > > > > > > > > > > religion of Grace. Quite different from Vedic teaching > > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > theory of > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma. Infact they are poles apart. And also He was much > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > a " Nice Soul " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very happy to get your so EXCITING - VIEWS, and > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > say THANK YOU for giving me opportunity to write more > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to firstly take quotes from Bhavisya > > > > Purana > > > > > > > > > > (19:28-30) > > > > > > > > > > > > about Jesus Christ to put here . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " mlecchasa sthapito dharmo maya tacchrnu bhupate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manasam nirmalam krtva malam dehe subhasubham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > naigamam japamasthaya japeta nirmalam param > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nyayena satyavacasaa manasyaikena manavah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhyanena pujayedisam surya-mandala- samsthitam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > acaloyam prabhuh sakshat- atha suryocalah sada " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Translation of above VERSES are as below :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Please hear Oh king which religious principles I > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > established > > > > > > > > > > > > among the mlecchas. The living entity is subject to good > > > > and > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > contaminations. The mind should be purified by taking > > > > > > recourse > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > proper > > > > > > > > > > > > conduct and performance of japa. By chanting the holy > > > > names > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > attains > > > > > > > > > > > > the highest purity. Just as the immovable sun attracts, > > > > from > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > directions, the elements of all living beings, the Lord > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > solar > > > > > > > > > > > > region, who is fixed and all-attractive, attracts the > > > > hearts > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > living creatures. Thus by following rules, speaking > > > > truthful > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > mental harmony and by meditation, Oh descendant of Manu, > > > > one > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > worship that immovable Lord'. " (Bhavishya Purana > > > > 19:27-30.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Link is below:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.salagram .net/Jesus- Went-To-India. > > > > htm#You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have taken those above VERSES and its translation > > > > from > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > site, > > > > > > > > > > > > so no manipulation from my-side in translation. Now pl > > > > > > everybody > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > that according to the VERSES Jesus has talked of Sun-God > > > > and > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > the main God of Rig-Vaidik Aryans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now we should also look into recent findings of > > > > > > > > archaeologist in > > > > > > > > > > > > QUMRAN Region ie near to Northern of DEAD-SEA(Jordan) . > > > > > > > > > > Archaeologists > > > > > > > > > > > > have found some documents there which have been remain > > > > > > untouched > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > 300 BCE and those documents were called as " The Dead Sea > > > > > > > > scrolls " > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > those are basically " Hebrew Bible " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those were written by the priests of ESSENES > > > > community > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Qumran > > > > > > > > > > > > region ie " Teacher of Righteousness " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting things is that some running philosophy > > > > of > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > just opposite of old Testament which have been found in > > > > that > > > > > > > > region > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > and some beliefs and theology from that HOLY BIBLE are > > > > as > > > > > > below > > > > > > > > :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Their theology included belief in the immortality > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > that they would receive their souls back after death. > > > > Part > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > activities included purification by water rituals, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which was supported by rainwater catchment and > > > > storage. > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not manipulated above views, those are > > > > written by > > > > > > > > 80-90% > > > > > > > > > > > > scholars who studied it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above written lines conatin, basically Vaidik > > > > > > rituals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already said that Bible teachings were completely > > > > > > Vaidic > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > nature > > > > > > > > > > > > but later Romans with Greeks, perverted it and wrote > > > > them > > > > > > > > according > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > their will. And now the many scholars from CHRISTIAN > > > > > > Community > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > and give abuses to VATICANS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Roman ruler of 4'th century AD ie Constantine > > > > was > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > totally under influence of Vaidik tradition ie of > > > > > > Mithras(Mitra > > > > > > > > God) > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun God but St Paul changed the Bible just to get hold > > > > over > > > > > > > > Europe > > > > > > > > > > > > according to their theology of meat eating, no soul and > > > > > > > > sentiments > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > animals and no incarnation theory related to KARMA and > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > teachings of > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus Christ illogical as the ppl who read Bible say > > > > that > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > strong gap in views of Gospels of Jesus(Manipulated one > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > Romans+Greeks) which have been posed by Romans in 4'th > > > > > > Century > > > > > > > > AD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They (Vaticans) not only manipulated the Jesus > > > > Christ > > > > > > > > teachings > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > also aired false theory of Aryan Invasion, now it has > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > completely > > > > > > > > > > > > refuted in open discussions in many forums. Still they > > > > are > > > > > > > > abusing > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient religions by sitting in that top university of > > > > WEST. > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > Pingree, Romila Thapar and Michael Witzel come in the > > > > same > > > > > > > > category. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > > Chandran > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant Ji and All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would urge interested people to watch the Movie > > > > > > " Jesus > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > India " . Coincidentally I watched it just yesterday > > > > > > and it > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > an interesting view on this contreversial subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I have to disagree with your > > > > comment > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > " His > > > > > > > > > > > > teachings were completely Vedic " . I have read the > > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > > and I don't see any thing " Vedic " in it. Christianity is > > > > > > > > primarily a > > > > > > > > > > > > religion of Grace. Quite different from Vedic teaching > > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > theory of > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma. Infact they are poles apart. And also He was much > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > a " Nice Soul " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant <praspandey@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, December 24, 2009 6:55:29 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > East, Direction of > > > > Religion ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < wikipedica says once young Jesus visited India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some words for Great Jesus Christ:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He was a nice soul and his teachings were > > > > completely > > > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > and he > > > > > > > > > > > > was in India not for short period but for 10 years and > > > > he > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > > > Himalaya. About him there is mention in some Puranas. > > > > Bible > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > same, Pl refer to Old Testament not to Manipulated one > > > > which > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > done by > > > > > > > > > > > > Romans Catholics. But now stories have been manipulated > > > > and > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > written in New Manipulated Bible that he sent his > > > > disciple > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He born in Iraq and learn Vaidik ways of teachings > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > Iraq > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > later from main source ie EAST (Bharat). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Roman-Catholics of Veticans changed his > > > > teachings > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > > > about 400 AD just to get hold of Europe where, there was > > > > > > VEDIC > > > > > > > > > > Dharma > > > > > > > > > > > > and crushed it later and it is evident from ancient > > > > ETRUSCAN > > > > > > > > > > > > CIVILIZATION now it is no more there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Romulus was nice fellow and he was > > > > influenced > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > > > civilization which was there in Italy in the name of > > > > > > ETRUSCAN ( > > > > > > > > > > > > Descendant of Vaidik Atri Rishi) and Italy name is in > > > > the > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > civilization. Romans initially also made temples in the > > > > name > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Atri > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi or one may say in the name of Etruscan > > > > Civilization > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > recently > > > > > > > > > > > > that Big temple has been found in Egypt by archaeologist > > > > and > > > > > > > > name of > > > > > > > > > > > > that temple is Athrabhis (in The name of Atri Rishi). > > > > > > Everbody's > > > > > > > > eye > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > towards it BUT ROMAN CATHOLICS are quite scared Ha Ha Ha > > > > > > > > > > Ha… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaidik civilization even predates on other ground > > > > also > > > > > > > > like it > > > > > > > > > > > > predate to Sumerians civilization (Civilization on > > > > > > Mesopotamian > > > > > > > > > > ground). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most ancient epic of Sumerians which is in the > > > > > > name of > > > > > > > > > > > > Gilgamesh is basically copy of Atra-Hasis Epic(Nobody > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > contradicted > > > > > > > > > > > > it till-date that Flood story of Atra-Hasis Epic is > > > > copied > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Gilgamesh's Epic). Gilgamesh was the third king of > > > > > > Sumerians. > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > > imagine who predates on other lands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atra-Hasis = Atri-Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And JUST before flood of 2700 BCE on the ground of > > > > > > > > Sumerians > > > > > > > > > > > > (means now known Sumerians is after of that flood) there > > > > was > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > King > > > > > > > > > > > > named as Ziusudra (Zarasthura) , and i dont have to tell > > > > who > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > was, > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > was the person who is the author of Avesta. Avestans > > > > > > (Persians, > > > > > > > > > > > > Iranians) are basically cousins of Vaidik ppl. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assyrians were Ashur as Atri rishi had told about > > > > the > > > > > > > > Ashura > > > > > > > > > > > > Swarbhanu (Rahu) who engulf Sun and Assyrians were > > > > > > descendant of > > > > > > > > > > Atri > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zarasthura (Ziu + Sura ) was Sura (Opposite of > > > > Ashur) > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > the the author of Epic Avesta of Zoroasterians ie of > > > > > > Iranians. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > > > > > > > " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It feels so good while reading your's analysis > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > openly share > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your's views, you have touched almost every > > > > thing, > > > > > > let's > > > > > > > > > > begin > > > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combined analysis so that best come out and > > > > other > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > also become > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a part, feeling free. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding a point - Jup in Moola nakschatra gives > > > > > > immense > > > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intution, phaldeepika, shambhu hora prakash and > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > correctly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotisharnava Navnitam etc have said so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In his last days Edger was guided to know about > > > > > > India, > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > once > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to tell about previous births and > > > > reincarnations, > > > > > > > > wikipedica > > > > > > > > > > > > says once > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young Jesus visited India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < I also have one chart of one boy who is just > > > > 25 > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > > > > > but ppl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says he has psychic powers.( I have his > > > > details). > > > > > > Some > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Edgar Cayce was having. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Details of that Native are as below:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mar 11,1984 (Sun) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 08:09:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Delhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some ppl who knows him closely says that he > > > > has > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > > > > powers bt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am worried he may be hit by those spirits. As > > > > Ma > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > blocking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fortunes of Sa which is in 8'th house and there > > > > is > > > > > > > > complete > > > > > > > > > > > > imbalance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between 8'th and 12'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma+Sa+Ke are making stubborn combination but > > > > at > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > in 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are mild stars. So those spirits may hit him and > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > transit near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Sa and Ma and Ke may be fatal for him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is my frnd's frnd, many drug mafias take > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > and he has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been Chela and very close to Chandraswami. His > > > > > > family's > > > > > > > > > > > > financial condns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not so good and he is also Mishraji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never met with that person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > praspandey@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One Correction - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > > > crossing > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 2'nd or sometimes in trines then native > > > > would be > > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > crossing > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2'nd or sometimes trines to 8'th house then > > > > native > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > major psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Mishraji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some Views from my side :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His chart shows that he had possession of > > > > some > > > > > > > > spirits > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never harmed him and those could be Female. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 12'th and 8'th and 4'th are connected > > > > and > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Sa and Ve are so close. Sa + Ve use to > > > > play > > > > > > > > main > > > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Psychic powers and those should be lord of > > > > mainly > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > but it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good that 12'th lord Me came in picture and > > > > it is > > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > at same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees of Ve and Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Ra is near to Sa and Ve and just before > > > > of > > > > > > Sa + > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blast of possessions of spirits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though above conditions are more than > > > > enough > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic powers. But some more points - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Amazingly it is happening in Aquarius. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) It is good that Ma was not in 8'th or > > > > in > > > > > > 2'nd > > > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirits might have hurt the native in violent > > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > > > crossing > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 2'nd or sometimes in trines then native > > > > would be > > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo is not getting any aspect or it is not > > > > in > > > > > > trine > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > , from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house so native was enjoying and sensing > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > happenings > > > > > > > > > > > > and so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never would have come in whirl of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had 2-3 charts in which spirits took > > > > away > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those native hanged themselves and their > > > > relatives > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > sign of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some spirits. I will ask from a lady to again > > > > give > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > details > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she is from Europe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also have one chart of one boy who is > > > > just > > > > > > 25 > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > > > > > but ppl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says he has psychic powers.( I have his > > > > details). > > > > > > Some > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Edgar Cayce was having. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also know one lady from USA (christian > > > > but > > > > > > > > follows > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tradition, but she is hard core American and her > > > > no > > > > > > > > relative > > > > > > > > > > > > even from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asia) and she is fluent in hindi and sees hindi > > > > > > movies. > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > > > says she > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can see spirits but she always sees spirits when > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > about to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > die as her Bharani Nks is active. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Edgar Cayce was definitely having > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > abilities > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > high > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > class. This is extreme case one may see and > > > > validate > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VEDIC-ASTROLOGY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS :- I follow very basic concepts during > > > > > > > > prediction > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > only see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how planets are fielded in D-1 only and try to > > > > see > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > > > aling@ > > > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are few but rock solid, we are no > > > > fakes, > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > gurus, no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts, we are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those who discover more, we have fire in > > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we are unbounded, I m little busy these > > > > day > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 - 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be able to settle things down and > > > > then > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > embark on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > journey to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new horizons of vedic astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls try to study Edgar Cayce's chart, he > > > > was > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > went into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trans to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read akasik libraries, I mean coded > > > > mesages > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.near- death.com/ experiences/ > > > > > > > > > > cayce02.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.near- death.com/ > > > > experiences/ > > > > > > > > > > cayce02.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ > > > > Edgar_Cayce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ > > > > Edgar_Cayce> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They say 8'th house is the one who takes > > > > one > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > Mokscha, > > > > > > > > > > > > I told > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the one who takes one to mysticism - > > > > true or > > > > > > > > untrue, > > > > > > > > > > > > this was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the truth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which caused me leave one dozen dogmatic > > > > > > > > jyotishis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > > > aling@ > > > > > > > > s.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhe > > > > > > aling@ > > > > > > > > s.com > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Dear Shri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont join any group as sometimes it > > > > > > diverts > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > i have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other things in hand otherwise i dont > > > > have > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes i also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without telling owner of > > > > group > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > > > > > reappear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think you will not mind for the same if > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to request you that plz > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > imp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal id as it use to have some good > > > > > > content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for the same! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am amazed to see so less members in > > > > your > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > embarked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with creating group in April 07. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again to my dear Lalitji for > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > membership > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Dear Utkal ji, //we all have got a godly quotient, let's capitalise on that, let's become goditself in this very life.// How can you say GOD and capitalise ,these two in the same breath?!!!!.......... other things i have been hearing since child hood...... -gopi. , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi wrote: > > > Gopal Ji, that might be KaramPatri .... > > Irrespective of the efforts we have put in, our failure or success in > karma, whatever skills we have, whatever guidance have got and whatever > resources and comfort we have had in life, what counts is where we > reached, have we discovered our trueself ? > > Though, it's karma loka and kali yuga, still, let's route sunlight to > saturnian hard work. > > Pls recall that " Ranchhor " who is also " Chitchor " , do we know that we > are related to him, are we realize the inner connection to him, we all > have got a godly quotient, let's capitalise on that, let's become god > itself in this very life. > > !! So - Aham ... Tat - Sat !! > > regards, > Utkal > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > // It has a strong-hold on the two most important houses in KPC! > Earning > > is KARM's dhanwhile KARM is where one invests earnings, sometimes to > > lose! The 10-11 thing instandard jyotish!// > > i always lose.Can you please elaborate?KPC?... > > regards, > > gopi. > > , " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gopiji! > > > > > > SURRENDER is the most difficult and ABSOLUTELY THE SUPREME CHOICE! > If > > we were not such hard-nosed, hard-headed bunch here on Internet, by > now > > you would have found an idol of yours created on this highway and the > > gaon-walas arriving daily to pay homage to you! > > > > > > I am hardly what you may consider as a jyotishi or even scholar but > I > > would urge all beginners to pay attention to Saturn! High or Low, weak > > or strong -- It has a strong-hold on the two most important houses in > > KPC! Earning is KARM's dhan while KARM is where one invests earnings, > > sometimes to lose! The 10-11 thing in standard jyotish! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > //Your choice!// > > > > I have no choice wat so ever,but your wish.... > > > > in fact as you might have seen i have removed the post to edit.At > > that > > > > moment the power was off.What choice i have had?My life goes on in > > > > SURRENDER not by choice(so called). > > > > My post was supposed to be read//ha..ha...the problem is i dont > > > > think(like others).When i sincerely/seriously asked myself LONG > AGO > > why > > > > i should think what others want me to think the whole thinking > > almost > > > > gone and LIVING began which the thinking process can not explain > in > > > > words..... > > > > probably and astrologically Sat exalted/vargottama in 2nd aspd by > > jup > > > > from 10th have had to do something about it along with 2nd lord > with > > > > ketu..... > > > > -gopi. > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hmm... > > > > > > > > > > In that case Gopi_ji, > > > > > > > > > > You should stop asking but switch to telling and sharing! > > > > > > > > > > Sharing with all what arrives at your soul and which is but to > be > > > > given away and shared! > > > > > > > > > > Try this for six months and then come back and FRAP me if it > does > > not > > > > work positively for you! > > > > > > > > > > But no contact at all for the next six months with me or my > > thoughts > > > > or reading or responding to my postings and messages here or > > anywhere > > > > else -- until oh let us say First of July 2010 -- the independence > > day > > > > of my current reality! > > > > > > > > > > Your choice! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > ha..ha...the problem is i dont think(like others).When i > > sincerely > > > > asked > > > > > > myself why i should think what others want me to think the > whole > > > > > > thinking almost gone and LIVING began which the thinking > process > > can > > > > not > > > > > > explain in words..... > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think of yourself as a jet-pilot in the cockpit of a plane > > with no > > > > > > windows or a security person in the monitoring room. All > reality > > > > coming > > > > > > to your senses through scopes, monitors and gauges! Big time > > > > > > transduction city! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the scopes are not well-tuned and clean, the in-coming > > > > information > > > > > > will be garbled and give a false sense of reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a second, even your five senses that you believe > > > > directly > > > > > > interact with reality is an illusion and can get fooled very > > easily. > > > > If > > > > > > you have ever had to go to a dentist and he or she > anesthetized > > your > > > > > > mouth -- when afterwards you tried to drink water from a cup, > > you > > > > would > > > > > > get the distinct feeling that the edge of the cup was broken! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR-, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > gopi_b927@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also a good one!!...one cant fix 'scope' for REALITY > though > > > > Reality > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > be in the perception.May be that makes a difference.The > > duality > > > > of > > > > > > > > differerence is also REALITY.....I dont seek IT because it > > is > > > > in > > > > > > front > > > > > > > > and also everywhere... > > > > > > > > HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REALITY SHALL ALWAYS BE IN THE PERCEPTION! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't seek REALITY, before you have fixed the 'Scope' > that > > > > enables > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > to have PERCEPTION ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > > //I believe every Soul is inherently Divine and WILL > > > > > > > > > > eventually find its way back to where it belongs. > > > > > > > > > > " Nothing Real Can Be Threatened, > > > > > > > > > > Nothing Unreal Exists, > > > > > > > > > > Therein Lies The Peace of God " . > > > > > > > > > > -A Course in Miracles.// > > > > > > > > > > good one indeed.... > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Chandran > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My views are not Exciting - but more traditional and > > > > boring. > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > commenting about a religion that is not mine and some > > thing > > > > that > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > not researched thoroughly, I prefer to be just > that > > - > > > > > > > > traditional > > > > > > > > > > and boring. As some one who does research R & D for a > > living, > > > > I > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > that even after carefully controlled experiments > and > > > > trials, > > > > > > > > > > Engineers and Scientists go wrong. All this even when > > every > > > > > > thing is > > > > > > > > > > painfully and thoroughly documented. In Cases such > > as > > > > these, > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > the " said events " have happened thousands of years > ago, > > when > > > > > > > > Authorship > > > > > > > > > > of documents is not easily attributable (is this > > really > > > > a > > > > > > word?) > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the legitimate owner, it may be prudent to let things > > lie > > > > the > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > are. Ofcourse, just my boring opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You indeed have raised some valid points. The newly > > > > discovered > > > > > > > > Gospel > > > > > > > > > > of Thomas is indeed quite different from the > traditonal > > > > Gospels > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Luke, > > > > > > > > > > Mark etc. It gives quite a different view of > Jesus. > > > > Ofcourse > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > they have not been sactioned by the Church, they will > > not be > > > > > > > > accepted by > > > > > > > > > > traditional Chistianity. So it is really up to > > Christians if > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > to research that more. Thats where I leave that > > argument. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But ultimately I don't put much emotions in to these > > > > > > questions, > > > > > > > > > > because from my simplistic point of view, I believe > > every > > > > Soul > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > inherently Divine and WILL eventually find its way > back > > to > > > > where > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > belongs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Nothing Real Can Be Threatened, > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing Unreal Exists, > > > > > > > > > > > Therein Lies The Peace of God " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -A Course in Miracles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, December 28, 2009 8:44:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: East, Direction of > > Religion ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant_jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " Mayavini " realm of movies (even the > > " documentaries " > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 'docu-dramas' ) must always be taken with a 'pinch of > > salt!' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you have seen the BLOCKBUSTER movie of the > > last > > > > > > decade: > > > > > > > > > > GANDHI! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Movie-makers always have a creative license because > > they > > > > are > > > > > > > > creating > > > > > > > > > > a salable product! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SALT is not inconsequential! It can bring down > > KINGDOMS as > > > > we > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > seen! And it completely destroys appetite and taste! > If > > > > there is > > > > > > > > none or > > > > > > > > > > even if there is too much! And not good for 'plumbing' > > > > either!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " prashant " > > > > <praspandey@ > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < However, I have to disagree with your > > comment > > > > about > > > > > > " His > > > > > > > > > > teachings were completely Vedic " . I have read > the > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > and I don't see any thing " Vedic " in it. Christianity > is > > > > > > primarily a > > > > > > > > > > religion of Grace. Quite different from Vedic teaching > > and > > > > the > > > > > > > > theory of > > > > > > > > > > Karma. Infact they are poles apart. And also He was > much > > > > more > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > a " Nice Soul " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very happy to get your so EXCITING - VIEWS, > and > > > > would > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > say THANK YOU for giving me opportunity to write more > > > > clearly > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to firstly take quotes from Bhavisya > > Purana > > > > > > > > (19:28-30) > > > > > > > > > > about Jesus Christ to put here . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " mlecchasa sthapito dharmo maya tacchrnu bhupate > > > > > > > > > > > > manasam nirmalam krtva malam dehe subhasubham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > naigamam japamasthaya japeta nirmalam param > > > > > > > > > > > > nyayena satyavacasaa manasyaikena manavah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhyanena pujayedisam surya-mandala- samsthitam > > > > > > > > > > > > acaloyam prabhuh sakshat- atha suryocalah sada " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Translation of above VERSES are as below :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Please hear Oh king which religious principles I > > have > > > > > > > > established > > > > > > > > > > among the mlecchas. The living entity is subject to > good > > and > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > contaminations. The mind should be purified by taking > > > > recourse > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > proper > > > > > > > > > > conduct and performance of japa. By chanting the holy > > names > > > > one > > > > > > > > attains > > > > > > > > > > the highest purity. Just as the immovable sun > attracts, > > from > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > directions, the elements of all living beings, the > Lord > > of > > > > the > > > > > > solar > > > > > > > > > > region, who is fixed and all-attractive, attracts the > > hearts > > > > of > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > living creatures. Thus by following rules, speaking > > truthful > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > mental harmony and by meditation, Oh descendant of > Manu, > > one > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > worship that immovable Lord'. " (Bhavishya Purana > > 19:27-30.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Link is below:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.salagram .net/Jesus- Went-To-India. > > htm#You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have taken those above VERSES and its > translation > > from > > > > one > > > > > > > > site, > > > > > > > > > > so no manipulation from my-side in translation. Now pl > > > > everybody > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > that according to the VERSES Jesus has talked of > Sun-God > > and > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the main God of Rig-Vaidik Aryans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now we should also look into recent findings of > > > > > > archaeologist in > > > > > > > > > > QUMRAN Region ie near to Northern of DEAD-SEA(Jordan) > . > > > > > > > > Archaeologists > > > > > > > > > > have found some documents there which have been remain > > > > untouched > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > 300 BCE and those documents were called as " The Dead > Sea > > > > > > scrolls " > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > those are basically " Hebrew Bible " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those were written by the priests of ESSENES > > community > > > > of > > > > > > Qumran > > > > > > > > > > region ie " Teacher of Righteousness " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting things is that some running philosophy > > of > > > > Holy > > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > just opposite of old Testament which have been found > in > > that > > > > > > region > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > and some beliefs and theology from that HOLY BIBLE are > > as > > > > below > > > > > > :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Their theology included belief in the immortality > > of > > > > the > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > that they would receive their souls back after death. > > Part > > > > of > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > activities included purification by water rituals, > > > > > > > > > > > > which was supported by rainwater catchment and > > storage. > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not manipulated above views, those are > > written by > > > > > > 80-90% > > > > > > > > > > scholars who studied it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above written lines conatin, basically Vaidik > > > > rituals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already said that Bible teachings were > completely > > > > Vaidic > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > nature > > > > > > > > > > but later Romans with Greeks, perverted it and wrote > > them > > > > > > according > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > their will. And now the many scholars from CHRISTIAN > > > > Community > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > and give abuses to VATICANS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Roman ruler of 4'th century AD ie > Constantine > > was > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > totally under influence of Vaidik tradition ie of > > > > Mithras(Mitra > > > > > > God) > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Sun God but St Paul changed the Bible just to get hold > > over > > > > > > Europe > > > > > > > > > > according to their theology of meat eating, no soul > and > > > > > > sentiments > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > animals and no incarnation theory related to KARMA and > > made > > > > > > > > teachings of > > > > > > > > > > Jesus Christ illogical as the ppl who read Bible say > > that > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > strong gap in views of Gospels of Jesus(Manipulated > one > > by > > > > > > > > > > Romans+Greeks) which have been posed by Romans in 4'th > > > > Century > > > > > > AD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They (Vaticans) not only manipulated the Jesus > > Christ > > > > > > teachings > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > also aired false theory of Aryan Invasion, now it has > > been > > > > > > > > completely > > > > > > > > > > refuted in open discussions in many forums. Still they > > are > > > > > > abusing > > > > > > > > > > ancient religions by sitting in that top university of > > WEST. > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > Pingree, Romila Thapar and Michael Witzel come in the > > same > > > > > > category. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > Chandran > > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant Ji and All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would urge interested people to watch the > Movie > > > > " Jesus > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > India " . Coincidentally I watched it just yesterday > > > > and it > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > an interesting view on this contreversial subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I have to disagree with your > > comment > > > > about > > > > > > > > " His > > > > > > > > > > teachings were completely Vedic " . I have read > the > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > and I don't see any thing " Vedic " in it. Christianity > is > > > > > > primarily a > > > > > > > > > > religion of Grace. Quite different from Vedic teaching > > and > > > > the > > > > > > > > theory of > > > > > > > > > > Karma. Infact they are poles apart. And also He was > much > > > > more > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > a " Nice Soul " . > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant <praspandey@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, December 24, 2009 6:55:29 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > East, Direction of > > Religion ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > s.com, > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < wikipedica says once young Jesus visited > India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some words for Great Jesus Christ:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He was a nice soul and his teachings were > > completely > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > and he > > > > > > > > > > was in India not for short period but for 10 years and > > he > > > > was > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > Himalaya. About him there is mention in some Puranas. > > Bible > > > > also > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > same, Pl refer to Old Testament not to Manipulated one > > which > > > > was > > > > > > > > done by > > > > > > > > > > Romans Catholics. But now stories have been > manipulated > > and > > > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > written in New Manipulated Bible that he sent his > > disciple > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He born in Iraq and learn Vaidik ways of > teachings > > > > from > > > > > > Iraq > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > later from main source ie EAST (Bharat). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Roman-Catholics of Veticans changed his > > teachings > > > > in > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > about 400 AD just to get hold of Europe where, there > was > > > > VEDIC > > > > > > > > Dharma > > > > > > > > > > and crushed it later and it is evident from ancient > > ETRUSCAN > > > > > > > > > > CIVILIZATION now it is no more there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Romulus was nice fellow and he was > > influenced > > > > by > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > civilization which was there in Italy in the name of > > > > ETRUSCAN ( > > > > > > > > > > Descendant of Vaidik Atri Rishi) and Italy name is in > > the > > > > name > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > civilization. Romans initially also made temples in > the > > name > > > > of > > > > > > Atri > > > > > > > > > > Rishi or one may say in the name of Etruscan > > Civilization > > > > and > > > > > > > > recently > > > > > > > > > > that Big temple has been found in Egypt by > archaeologist > > and > > > > > > name of > > > > > > > > > > that temple is Athrabhis (in The name of Atri Rishi). > > > > Everbody's > > > > > > eye > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > towards it BUT ROMAN CATHOLICS are quite scared Ha Ha > Ha > > > > > > > > Ha… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaidik civilization even predates on other > ground > > also > > > > > > like it > > > > > > > > > > predate to Sumerians civilization (Civilization on > > > > Mesopotamian > > > > > > > > ground). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most ancient epic of Sumerians which is in > the > > > > name of > > > > > > > > > > Gilgamesh is basically copy of Atra-Hasis Epic(Nobody > > has > > > > > > > > contradicted > > > > > > > > > > it till-date that Flood story of Atra-Hasis Epic is > > copied > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Gilgamesh's Epic). Gilgamesh was the third king of > > > > Sumerians. > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > imagine who predates on other lands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atra-Hasis = Atri-Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And JUST before flood of 2700 BCE on the ground > of > > > > > > Sumerians > > > > > > > > > > (means now known Sumerians is after of that flood) > there > > was > > > > a > > > > > > King > > > > > > > > > > named as Ziusudra (Zarasthura) , and i dont have to > tell > > who > > > > he > > > > > > was, > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > was the person who is the author of Avesta. Avestans > > > > (Persians, > > > > > > > > > > Iranians) are basically cousins of Vaidik ppl. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assyrians were Ashur as Atri rishi had told > about > > the > > > > > > Ashura > > > > > > > > > > Swarbhanu (Rahu) who engulf Sun and Assyrians were > > > > descendant of > > > > > > > > Atri > > > > > > > > > > Rishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zarasthura (Ziu + Sura ) was Sura (Opposite of > > Ashur) > > > > and > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > the the author of Epic Avesta of Zoroasterians ie of > > > > Iranians. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > s.com, > > > > > > " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It feels so good while reading your's analysis > > > > because > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > openly share > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your's views, you have touched almost every > > thing, > > > > let's > > > > > > > > begin > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combined analysis so that best come out and > > other > > > > people > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > also become > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a part, feeling free. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding a point - Jup in Moola nakschatra gives > > > > immense > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intution, phaldeepika, shambhu hora prakash > and > > If I > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > correctly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotisharnava Navnitam etc have said so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In his last days Edger was guided to know > about > > > > India, > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > once > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to tell about previous births and > > reincarnations, > > > > > > wikipedica > > > > > > > > > > says once > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young Jesus visited India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > s.com, > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < I also have one chart of one boy who is > just > > 25 > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > > > but ppl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says he has psychic powers.( I have his > > details). > > > > Some > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Edgar Cayce was having. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Details of that Native are as below:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mar 11,1984 (Sun) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 08:09:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Delhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some ppl who knows him closely says that he > > has > > > > some > > > > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > > powers bt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am worried he may be hit by those spirits. > As > > Ma > > > > and > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > blocking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fortunes of Sa which is in 8'th house and > there > > is > > > > > > complete > > > > > > > > > > imbalance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between 8'th and 12'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma+Sa+Ke are making stubborn combination but > > at > > > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > in 12 > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are mild stars. So those spirits may hit him > and > > > > coming > > > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > transit near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Sa and Ma and Ke may be fatal for him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is my frnd's frnd, many drug mafias take > > his > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > and he has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been Chela and very close to Chandraswami. His > > > > family's > > > > > > > > > > financial condns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not so good and he is also Mishraji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never met with that person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > s.com, > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > praspandey@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One Correction - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > crossing > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 2'nd or sometimes in trines then native > > would be > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > crossing > > > > his > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > 12'th and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2'nd or sometimes trines to 8'th house then > > native > > > > would > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > major psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > aling@ > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Mishraji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some Views from my side :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His chart shows that he had possession > of > > some > > > > > > spirits > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never harmed him and those could be Female. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 12'th and 8'th and 4'th are connected > > and > > > > those > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > 8'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Sa and Ve are so close. Sa + Ve use > to > > play > > > > > > main > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Psychic powers and those should be lord of > > mainly > > > > 8'th > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > but it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good that 12'th lord Me came in picture and > > it is > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > at same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees of Ve and Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Ra is near to Sa and Ve and just > before > > of > > > > Sa + > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blast of possessions of spirits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though above conditions are more than > > enough > > > > to > > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic powers. But some more points - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Amazingly it is happening in > Aquarius. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) It is good that Ma was not in 8'th or > > in > > > > 2'nd > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirits might have hurt the native in violent > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > crossing > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 2'nd or sometimes in trines then native > > would be > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo is not getting any aspect or it is > not > > in > > > > trine > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > , from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house so native was enjoying and sensing > > whole > > > > > > > > happenings > > > > > > > > > > and so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never would have come in whirl of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had 2-3 charts in which spirits took > > away > > > > life > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those native hanged themselves and their > > relatives > > > > found > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > sign of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some spirits. I will ask from a lady to again > > give > > > > those > > > > > > > > details > > > > > > > > > > to me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she is from Europe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also have one chart of one boy who is > > just > > > > 25 > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > > > but ppl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says he has psychic powers.( I have his > > details). > > > > Some > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Edgar Cayce was having. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also know one lady from USA (christian > > but > > > > > > follows > > > > > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tradition, but she is hard core American and > her > > no > > > > > > relative > > > > > > > > > > even from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asia) and she is fluent in hindi and sees > hindi > > > > movies. > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > says she > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can see spirits but she always sees spirits > when > > > > person > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > about to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > die as her Bharani Nks is active. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Edgar Cayce was definitely having > > psychic > > > > > > abilities > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > high > > > > > > > > > > > > > > class. This is extreme case one may see and > > validate > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > concepts of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VEDIC-ASTROLOGY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS :- I follow very basic concepts > during > > > > > > prediction > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > only see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how planets are fielded in D-1 only and try to > > see > > > > how > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > aling@ > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are few but rock solid, we are no > > fakes, > > > > no > > > > > > > > gurus, no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts, we are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those who discover more, we have fire > in > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we are unbounded, I m little busy > these > > day > > > > but > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > 10 - 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be able to settle things down and > > then > > > > we > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > embark on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > journey to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new horizons of vedic astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls try to study Edgar Cayce's chart, > he > > was > > > > one > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > went into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trans to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read akasik libraries, I mean coded > > mesages > > > > of > > > > > > > > universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.near- death.com/ > experiences/ > > > > > > > > cayce02.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.near- death.com/ > > experiences/ > > > > > > > > cayce02.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ > > Edgar_Cayce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ > > Edgar_Cayce> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They say 8'th house is the one who > takes > > one > > > > to > > > > > > > > Mokscha, > > > > > > > > > > I told > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the one who takes one to mysticism - > > true or > > > > > > untrue, > > > > > > > > > > this was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the truth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which caused me leave one dozen > dogmatic > > > > > > jyotishis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > aling@ > > > > > > s.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhe > > > > aling@ > > > > > > s.com > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Dear Shri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont join any group as sometimes > it > > > > diverts > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > i have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other things in hand otherwise i dont > > have > > > > any > > > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes i also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without telling owner of > > group > > > > and > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > > > reappear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think you will not mind for the same > if > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to request you that plz > > > > always > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > imp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal id as it use to have some > good > > > > content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for the same! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am amazed to see so less members > in > > your > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > embarked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with creating group in April 07. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again to my dear Lalitji for > > giving > > > > > > > > membership > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Dear Ravindramani ji, thanks.interesting aswell since there is one person who is interested!!!...Here is something for you. " Human being is a product of invisible GOD and visible NATURE.Hence being is dual " . Love and regards, gopi. , " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani wrote: > > Oh my God, > > I am C.S. Ravindramani. I have only one identity. Even with this one I am > at a loss to understand " Who am I " . > > I have been following the thread betweeen you and Gopi. So I was curious > what would be your response. Now it is postponed till July 2010. > > So I jumped in. > > Once again I swear I am C.S. Ravindramani and Ravindramani only and no body > else. > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani > > PS: There are some personal friends here they can attest me. Come on Manoj > where are you? > > ================================================================ > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 10:08 AM, rohinicrystal jyotish_vaniwrote: > > > > > > > NO NO -- Ravindramani jee! > > > > That 'bal-hath' was only aimed at Gopi_dada! > > > > For you (and others) I have an easier solution! Please ask your > > teacher/Guru ;-) > > > > Unless you are confessing that Ravindramani jee and Gopi_dada are one an > > same person with multiple identities! Are you :-)? > > > > RR_, > > > > > > <%40>, > > " C.S. Ravindramani " ravindramani@ wrote: > > > > > > Saheb Ji, > > > > > > I have to wait for another six months .... > > > > > > C.S. Raindramani > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 7:44 AM, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi_dada, > > > > > > > > Regardless of your biological age, you sound like a wise elder brother > > > > hence I am taking the liberty of addressing you as Dada! > > > > > > > > What I wrote or always write is very ordinary jyotish and nothing > > fancy. > > > > > > > > And, surrender is never a loss! It is a very deliberate and powerful > > act of > > > > FREE-WILL that we human beings have been given as our most potent > > KAVACH of > > > > eternal security! I TRULY Believe in that for I HAVE personally > > experienced > > > > how powerful SURRENDER can be! > > > > > > > > My purpose in participating in these forums is not to get a 'rise', nor > > to > > > > attract clients or chelas or to plump my feathers, or to beat up on > > others! > > > > My goal also is not to elevate Jyotish from where it is to where I feel > > it > > > > should be! There are many others who have chosen to bear that cross and > > > > kudos to them! > > > > > > > > As I promised you, God-willing, I will tell you come July 2010. Right > > now, > > > > even if I describe, explain, my words will not mean anything to you or > > not > > > > penetrate! Please trust my judgment on this matter :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > <%40><% > > 40>, > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > // It has a strong-hold on the two most important houses in KPC! > > Earning > > > > > is KARM's dhanwhile KARM is where one invests earnings, sometimes to > > > > > lose! The 10-11 thing instandard jyotish!// > > > > > i always lose.Can you please elaborate?KPC?... > > > > > regards, > > > > > gopi. > > > > > <%40><% > > 40>, > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopiji! > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER is the most difficult and ABSOLUTELY THE SUPREME CHOICE! > > If > > > > > we were not such hard-nosed, hard-headed bunch here on Internet, by > > now > > > > > you would have found an idol of yours created on this highway and the > > > > > gaon-walas arriving daily to pay homage to you! > > > > > > > > > > > > I am hardly what you may consider as a jyotishi or even scholar but > > I > > > > > would urge all beginners to pay attention to Saturn! High or Low, > > weak > > > > > or strong -- It has a strong-hold on the two most important houses in > > > > > KPC! Earning is KARM's dhan while KARM is where one invests earnings, > > > > > sometimes to lose! The 10-11 thing in standard jyotish! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40><JyotishGrou\ p% > > 40>, > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > //Your choice!// > > > > > > > I have no choice wat so ever,but your wish.... > > > > > > > in fact as you might have seen i have removed the post to edit.At > > > > > that > > > > > > > moment the power was off.What choice i have had?My life goes on > > in > > > > > > > SURRENDER not by choice(so called). > > > > > > > My post was supposed to be read//ha..ha...the problem is i dont > > > > > > > think(like others).When i sincerely/seriously asked myself LONG > > AGO > > > > > why > > > > > > > i should think what others want me to think the whole thinking > > > > > almost > > > > > > > gone and LIVING began which the thinking process can not explain > > in > > > > > > > words..... > > > > > > > probably and astrologically Sat exalted/vargottama in 2nd aspd by > > > > > jup > > > > > > > from 10th have had to do something about it along with 2nd lord > > with > > > > > > > ketu..... > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > --- In <%40><JyotishGrou\ p% > > 40>, > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In that case Gopi_ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should stop asking but switch to telling and sharing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharing with all what arrives at your soul and which is but to > > be > > > > > > > given away and shared! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try this for six months and then come back and FRAP me if it > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > work positively for you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But no contact at all for the next six months with me or my > > > > > thoughts > > > > > > > or reading or responding to my postings and messages here or > > > > > anywhere > > > > > > > else -- until oh let us say First of July 2010 -- the > > independence > > > > > day > > > > > > > of my current reality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your choice! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > ha..ha...the problem is i dont think(like others).When i > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > myself why i should think what others want me to think the > > whole > > > > > > > > > thinking almost gone and LIVING began which the thinking > > process > > > > > can > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > explain in words..... > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think of yourself as a jet-pilot in the cockpit of a plane > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > windows or a security person in the monitoring room. All > > reality > > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > > > to your senses through scopes, monitors and gauges! Big time > > > > > > > > > transduction city! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the scopes are not well-tuned and clean, the in-coming > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > will be garbled and give a false sense of reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a second, even your five senses that you believe > > > > > > > directly > > > > > > > > > interact with reality is an illusion and can get fooled very > > > > > easily. > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > you have ever had to go to a dentist and he or she > > anesthetized > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > mouth -- when afterwards you tried to drink water from a cup, > > > > > you > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > get the distinct feeling that the edge of the cup was broken! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR-, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also a good one!!...one cant fix 'scope' for REALITY > > though > > > > > > > Reality > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > be in the perception.May be that makes a difference.The > > > > > duality > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > differerence is also REALITY.....I dont seek IT because > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > front > > > > > > > > > > > and also everywhere... > > > > > > > > > > > HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REALITY SHALL ALWAYS BE IN THE PERCEPTION! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't seek REALITY, before you have fixed the 'Scope' > > that > > > > > > > enables > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > to have PERCEPTION ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I believe every Soul is inherently Divine and WILL > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually find its way back to where it belongs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Nothing Real Can Be Threatened, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing Unreal Exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therein Lies The Peace of God " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > -A Course in Miracles.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > good one indeed.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > > Manoj Chandran > > > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My views are not Exciting - but more traditional > > and > > > > > > > boring. > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > > commenting about a religion that is not mine and some > > > > > thing > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > not researched thoroughly, I prefer to be just that > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > and boring. As some one who does research R & D for a > > > > > living, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even after carefully controlled experiments > > and > > > > > > > > > trials, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineers and Scientists go wrong. All this even when > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > thing is > > > > > > > > > > > > > painfully and thoroughly documented. In Cases such > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > these, > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > the " said events " have happened thousands of years > > ago, > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > Authorship > > > > > > > > > > > > > of documents is not easily attributable (is this > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > word?) > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > the legitimate owner, it may be prudent to let things > > > > > lie > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > are. Ofcourse, just my boring opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You indeed have raised some valid points. The newly > > > > > > > discovered > > > > > > > > > > > Gospel > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Thomas is indeed quite different from the > > traditonal > > > > > > > Gospels > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Luke, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark etc. It gives quite a different view of Jesus. > > > > > > > > > > > Ofcourse > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > they have not been sactioned by the Church, they will > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > accepted by > > > > > > > > > > > > > traditional Chistianity. So it is really up to > > > > > Christians if > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > > > to research that more. Thats where I leave that > > > > > argument. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But ultimately I don't put much emotions in to > > these > > > > > > > > > questions, > > > > > > > > > > > > > because from my simplistic point of view, I believe > > > > > every > > > > > > > Soul > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > inherently Divine and WILL eventually find its way > > back > > > > > to > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > belongs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Nothing Real Can Be Threatened, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing Unreal Exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therein Lies The Peace of God " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -A Course in Miracles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: <%40> > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, December 28, 2009 8:44:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: East, Direction of > > > > > Religion ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant_jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " Mayavini " realm of movies (even the > > > > > " documentaries " > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'docu-dramas' ) must always be taken with a 'pinch of > > > > > salt!' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you have seen the BLOCKBUSTER movie of > > the > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > decade: > > > > > > > > > > > > > GANDHI! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Movie-makers always have a creative license because > > > > > they > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > creating > > > > > > > > > > > > > a salable product! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SALT is not inconsequential! It can bring down > > > > > KINGDOMS as > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen! And it completely destroys appetite and taste! > > If > > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > > > none or > > > > > > > > > > > > > even if there is too much! And not good for > > 'plumbing' > > > > > > > either!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " prashant " > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < However, I have to disagreeÃÆ'‚ with your > > > > > comment > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > " His > > > > > > > > > > > > > teachings were completely Vedic " .ÃÆ'‚ I have read > > the > > > > > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I don't see any thing " Vedic " in it. Christianity > > is > > > > > > > > > primarily a > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion of Grace. Quite different from Vedic > > teaching > > > > > and > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > theory of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma. Infact they are poles apart. And also He was > > much > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > a " Nice Soul " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very happy to get your so EXCITING - VIEWS, > > and > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > say THANK YOU for giving me opportunity to write more > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to firstly take quotes from Bhavisya > > > > > Purana > > > > > > > > > > > (19:28-30) > > > > > > > > > > > > > about Jesus Christ to put here . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " mlecchasa sthapito dharmo maya tacchrnu bhupate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manasam nirmalam krtva malam dehe subhasubham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > naigamam japamasthaya japeta nirmalam param > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nyayena satyavacasaa manasyaikena manavah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhyanena pujayedisam surya-mandala- samsthitam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > acaloyam prabhuh sakshat- atha suryocalah sada " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Translation of above VERSES are as below :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Please hear Oh king which religious principles I > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > established > > > > > > > > > > > > > among the mlecchas. The living entity is subject to > > good > > > > > and > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > contaminations. The mind should be purified by taking > > > > > > > recourse > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > proper > > > > > > > > > > > > > conduct and performance of japa. By chanting the holy > > > > > names > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > attains > > > > > > > > > > > > > the highest purity. Just as the immovable sun > > attracts, > > > > > from > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > directions, the elements of all living beings, the > > Lord > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > solar > > > > > > > > > > > > > region, who is fixed and all-attractive, attracts the > > > > > hearts > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > living creatures. Thus by following rules, speaking > > > > > truthful > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > mental harmony and by meditation, Oh descendant of > > Manu, > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > worship that immovable Lord'. " (Bhavishya Purana > > > > > 19:27-30.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Link is below:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.salagram .net/Jesus- Went-To-India. > > > > > htm#You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have taken those above VERSES and its > > translation > > > > > from > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > site, > > > > > > > > > > > > > so no manipulation from my-side in translation. Now > > pl > > > > > > > everybody > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > that according to the VERSES Jesus has talked of > > Sun-God > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > the main God of Rig-Vaidik Aryans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now we should also look into recent findings of > > > > > > > > > archaeologist in > > > > > > > > > > > > > QUMRAN Region ie near to Northern of DEAD-SEA(Jordan) > > . > > > > > > > > > > > Archaeologists > > > > > > > > > > > > > have found some documents there which have been > > remain > > > > > > > untouched > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > 300 BCE and those documents were called as " The Dead > > Sea > > > > > > > > > scrolls " > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > those are basically " Hebrew Bible " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those were written by the priests of ESSENES > > > > > community > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Qumran > > > > > > > > > > > > > region ie " Teacher of Righteousness " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting things is that some running > > philosophy > > > > > of > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > just opposite of old Testament which have been found > > in > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > region > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > > and some beliefs and theology from that HOLY BIBLE > > are > > > > > as > > > > > > > below > > > > > > > > > :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Their theology included belief in the > > immortality > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > that they would receive their souls back after death. > > > > > Part > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > activities included purification by water rituals, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which was supported by rainwater catchment and > > > > > storage. > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not manipulated above views, those are > > > > > written by > > > > > > > > > 80-90% > > > > > > > > > > > > > scholars who studied it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above written lines conatin, basically Vaidik > > > > > > > rituals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already said that Bible teachings were > > completely > > > > > > > Vaidic > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > nature > > > > > > > > > > > > > but later Romans with Greeks, perverted it and wrote > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > according > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > their will. And now the many scholars from CHRISTIAN > > > > > > > Community > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > and give abuses to VATICANS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Roman ruler of 4'th century AD ie > > Constantine > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally under influence of Vaidik tradition ie of > > > > > > > Mithras(Mitra > > > > > > > > > God) > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun God but St Paul changed the Bible just to get > > hold > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > Europe > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to their theology of meat eating, no soul > > and > > > > > > > > > sentiments > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > animals and no incarnation theory related to KARMA > > and > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > teachings of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus Christ illogical as the ppl who read Bible say > > > > > that > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong gap in views of Gospels of Jesus(Manipulated > > one > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > Romans+Greeks) which have been posed by Romans in > > 4'th > > > > > > > Century > > > > > > > > > AD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They (Vaticans) not only manipulated the Jesus > > > > > Christ > > > > > > > > > teachings > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > also aired false theory of Aryan Invasion, now it has > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > completely > > > > > > > > > > > > > refuted in open discussions in many forums. Still > > they > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > abusing > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient religions by sitting in that top university > > of > > > > > WEST. > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pingree, Romila Thapar and Michael Witzel come in the > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > category. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > > > Chandran > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant Ji and All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would urge interested people to watch the > > Movie > > > > > > > " Jesus > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > India " . Coincidentally I watched it just yesterday > > > > > > > andÃÆ'‚ it > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > an interesting view on this contreversial subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I have to disagreeÃÆ'‚ with your > > > > > comment > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > " His > > > > > > > > > > > > > teachings were completely Vedic " .ÃÆ'‚ I have read > > the > > > > > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I don't see any thing " Vedic " in it. Christianity > > is > > > > > > > > > primarily a > > > > > > > > > > > > > religion of Grace. Quite different from Vedic > > teaching > > > > > and > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > theory of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma. Infact they are poles apart. And also He was > > much > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > a " Nice Soul " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant <praspandey@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, December 24, 2009 6:55:29 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > East, Direction of > > > > > Religion ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < wikipedica says once young Jesus visited > > India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some words for Great Jesus Christ:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He was a nice soul and his teachings were > > > > > completely > > > > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > > and he > > > > > > > > > > > > > was in India not for short period but for 10 years > > and > > > > > he > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > > > > Himalaya. About him there is mention in some Puranas. > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > same, Pl refer to Old Testament not to Manipulated > > one > > > > > which > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > done by > > > > > > > > > > > > > Romans Catholics. But now stories have been > > manipulated > > > > > and > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > written in New Manipulated Bible that he sent his > > > > > disciple > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He born in Iraq and learn Vaidik ways of > > teachings > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > Iraq > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > later from main source ie EAST (Bharat). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Roman-Catholics of Veticans changed his > > > > > teachings > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > > > > about 400 AD just to get hold of Europe where, there > > was > > > > > > > VEDIC > > > > > > > > > > > Dharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > and crushed it later and it is evident from ancient > > > > > ETRUSCAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > CIVILIZATION now it is no more there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Romulus was nice fellow and he was > > > > > influenced > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > > > > civilization which was there in Italy in the name of > > > > > > > ETRUSCAN ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > Descendant of Vaidik Atri Rishi) and Italy name is in > > > > > the > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > civilization. Romans initially also made temples in > > the > > > > > name > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Atri > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi or one may say in the name of Etruscan > > > > > Civilization > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > recently > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Big temple has been found in Egypt by > > archaeologist > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > name of > > > > > > > > > > > > > that temple is Athrabhis (in The name of Atri Rishi). > > > > > > > Everbody's > > > > > > > > > eye > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > towards it BUT ROMAN CATHOLICS are quite scared Ha Ha > > Ha > > > > > > > > > > > HaÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaidik civilization even predates on other > > ground > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > like it > > > > > > > > > > > > > predate to Sumerians civilization (Civilization on > > > > > > > Mesopotamian > > > > > > > > > > > ground). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most ancient epic of Sumerians which is in > > the > > > > > > > name of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gilgamesh is basically copy of Atra-Hasis Epic(Nobody > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > contradicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > it till-date that Flood story of Atra-Hasis Epic is > > > > > copied > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gilgamesh's Epic). Gilgamesh was the third king of > > > > > > > Sumerians. > > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagine who predates on other lands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atra-Hasis = Atri-Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And JUST before flood of 2700 BCE on the ground > > of > > > > > > > > > Sumerians > > > > > > > > > > > > > (means now known Sumerians is after of that flood) > > there > > > > > was > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > King > > > > > > > > > > > > > named as Ziusudra (Zarasthura) , and i dont have to > > tell > > > > > who > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > was, > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > was the person who is the author of Avesta. Avestans > > > > > > > (Persians, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iranians) are basically cousins of Vaidik ppl. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assyrians were Ashur as Atri rishi had told > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Ashura > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swarbhanu (Rahu) who engulf Sun and Assyrians were > > > > > > > descendant of > > > > > > > > > > > Atri > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zarasthura (Ziu + Sura ) was Sura (Opposite of > > > > > Ashur) > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > the the author of Epic Avesta of Zoroasterians ie of > > > > > > > Iranians. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It feels so good while reading your's > > analysis > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > openly share > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your's views, you have touched almost every > > > > > thing, > > > > > > > let's > > > > > > > > > > > begin > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combined analysis so that best come out and > > > > > other > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > also become > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a part, feeling free. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding a point - Jup in Moola nakschatra > > gives > > > > > > > immense > > > > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intution, phaldeepika, shambhu hora prakash > > and > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > correctly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotisharnava Navnitam etc have said so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In his last days Edger was guided to know > > about > > > > > > > India, > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > once > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to tell about previous births and > > > > > reincarnations, > > > > > > > > > wikipedica > > > > > > > > > > > > > says once > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young Jesus visited India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < I also have one chart of one boy who is > > just > > > > > 25 > > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > > > > > > but ppl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says he has psychic powers.( I have his > > > > > details). > > > > > > > Some > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Edgar Cayce was having. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Details of that Native are as below:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mar 11,1984 (Sun) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 08:09:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Delhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some ppl who knows him closely says that he > > > > > has > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > > > > > powers bt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am worried he may be hit by those spirits. > > As > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > blocking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fortunes of Sa which is in 8'th house and > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > complete > > > > > > > > > > > > > imbalance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between 8'th and 12'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma+Sa+Ke are making stubborn combination > > but > > > > > at > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > in 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are mild stars. So those spirits may hit him > > and > > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > transit near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Sa and Ma and Ke may be fatal for him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is my frnd's frnd, many drug mafias take > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > and he has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been Chela and very close to Chandraswami. > > His > > > > > > > family's > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial condns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not so good and he is also Mishraji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never met with that person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > praspandey@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One Correction - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > > > > crossing > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 2'nd or sometimes in trines then native > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > > crossing > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2'nd or sometimes trines to 8'th house then > > > > > native > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > major psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > aling@ > > > > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Mishraji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some Views from my side :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His chart shows that he had possession > > of > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > spirits > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never harmed him and those could be Female. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 12'th and 8'th and 4'th are > > connected > > > > > and > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Sa and Ve are so close. Sa + Ve use > > to > > > > > play > > > > > > > > > main > > > > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Psychic powers and those should be lord of > > > > > mainly > > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > but it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good that 12'th lord Me came in picture > > and > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > at same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees of Ve and Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Ra is near to Sa and Ve and just > > before > > > > > of > > > > > > > Sa + > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blast of possessions of spirits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though above conditions are more than > > > > > enough > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic powers. But some more points - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Amazingly it is happening in > > Aquarius. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) It is good that Ma was not in 8'th > > or > > > > > in > > > > > > > 2'nd > > > > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirits might have hurt the native in violent > > > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > > > > crossing > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 2'nd or sometimes in trines then native > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo is not getting any aspect or it is > > not > > > > > in > > > > > > > trine > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > , from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house so native was enjoying and sensing > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > > happenings > > > > > > > > > > > > > and so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never would have come in whirl of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had 2-3 charts in which spirits took > > > > > away > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those native hanged themselves and their > > > > > relatives > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some spirits. I will ask from a lady to again > > > > > give > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > details > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she is from Europe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also have one chart of one boy who is > > > > > just > > > > > > > 25 > > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > > > > > > but ppl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says he has psychic powers.( I have his > > > > > details). > > > > > > > Some > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Edgar Cayce was having. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also know one lady from USA > > (christian > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > follows > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tradition, but she is hard core American and > > her > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > relative > > > > > > > > > > > > > even from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asia) and she is fluent in hindi and sees > > hindi > > > > > > > movies. > > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > > > > says she > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can see spirits but she always sees spirits > > when > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > about to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > die as her Bharani Nks is active. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Edgar Cayce was definitely having > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > abilities > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > high > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > class. This is extreme case one may see and > > > > > validate > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VEDIC-ASTROLOGY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS :- I follow very basic concepts > > during > > > > > > > > > prediction > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > only see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how planets are fielded in D-1 only and try > > to > > > > > see > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > > > > aling@ > > > > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are few but rock solid, we are no > > > > > fakes, > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > gurus, no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts, we are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those who discover more, we have fire > > in > > > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we are unbounded, I m little busy > > these > > > > > day > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 - 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be able to settle things down > > and > > > > > then > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > embark on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > journey to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new horizons of vedic astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls try to study Edgar Cayce's chart, > > he > > > > > was > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > went into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trans to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read akasik libraries, I mean coded > > > > > mesages > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.near- death.com/experiences/ > > > > > > > > > > > cayce02.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.near- death.com/ > > > > > experiences/ > > > > > > > > > > > cayce02.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ > > > > > Edgar_Cayce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia ..org/wiki/ > > > > > Edgar_Cayce> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They say 8'th house is the one who > > takes > > > > > one > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > Mokscha, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I told > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the one who takes one to mysticism - > > > > > true or > > > > > > > > > untrue, > > > > > > > > > > > > > this was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the truth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which caused me leave one dozen > > dogmatic > > > > > > > > > jyotishis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > > > > aling@ > > > > > > > > > s.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhe > > > > > > > aling@ > > > > > > > > > s.com > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Dear Shri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont join any group as sometimes > > it > > > > > > > diverts > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other things in hand otherwise i dont > > > > > have > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes i also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without telling owner of > > > > > group > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > > > > > > reappear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think you will not mind for the same > > if > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to request you that > > plz > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > imp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal id as it use to have some > > good > > > > > > > content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for the same! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am amazed to see so less members > > in > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > embarked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with creating group in April 07. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again to my dear Lalitji for > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > > membership > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Hmmm... :-( You left out the carriage returns after terminal //s to show where the quotes ended and your answers began! All editorials and similar intrusions aside: Jyotish is really easy! A -- available to all just for the acceptance! But you got to be sincere and truly LOVE HER! RR_, , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote: > > Dear Rohini ji, > you are welcome. > //And, surrender is never a loss! It is a very deliberate and > powerfulact of FREE-WILL that we human beings have been given as our > mostpotent KAVACH of eternal security! I TRULY Believe in that for I > HAVEpersonally experienced how powerful SURRENDER can be!// > wise words of wisdom.But i never said/felt it is LOSS!! > //My purpose in participating in these forums is not to get a 'rise', > nor to attract clients or chelas or to plump my feathers, or to beat up > on others! My goal also is not to elevate Jyotish from where it is to > where I feel it should be! There are many others who have chosen to bear > that cross and kudos to them!// > yes i agree. > //As I promised you, God-willing, I will tell you come July 2010. > Rightnow, even if I describe, explain, my words will not mean anything > to you or not penetrate! Please trust my judgment on this matter :-)// > GOD WILLING is right,other things i am not sure since i am not sure of > " next moment " .Since i trust GOD trusting anybody is part and parcel of > THAT..... > Regards, > gopi. > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > wrote: > > > > Gopi_dada, > > > > Regardless of your biological age, you sound like a wise elder brother > hence I am taking the liberty of addressing you as Dada! > > > > What I wrote or always write is very ordinary jyotish and nothing > fancy. > > > > And, surrender is never a loss! It is a very deliberate and powerful > act of FREE-WILL that we human beings have been given as our most potent > KAVACH of eternal security! I TRULY Believe in that for I HAVE > personally experienced how powerful SURRENDER can be! > > > > My purpose in participating in these forums is not to get a 'rise', > nor to attract clients or chelas or to plump my feathers, or to beat up > on others! My goal also is not to elevate Jyotish from where it is to > where I feel it should be! There are many others who have chosen to bear > that cross and kudos to them! > > > > As I promised you, God-willing, I will tell you come July 2010. Right > now, even if I describe, explain, my words will not mean anything to you > or not penetrate! Please trust my judgment on this matter :-) > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > // It has a strong-hold on the two most important houses in KPC! > Earning > > > is KARM's dhanwhile KARM is where one invests earnings, sometimes to > > > lose! The 10-11 thing instandard jyotish!// > > > i always lose.Can you please elaborate?KPC?... > > > regards, > > > gopi. > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gopiji! > > > > > > > > SURRENDER is the most difficult and ABSOLUTELY THE SUPREME CHOICE! > If > > > we were not such hard-nosed, hard-headed bunch here on Internet, by > now > > > you would have found an idol of yours created on this highway and > the > > > gaon-walas arriving daily to pay homage to you! > > > > > > > > I am hardly what you may consider as a jyotishi or even scholar > but I > > > would urge all beginners to pay attention to Saturn! High or Low, > weak > > > or strong -- It has a strong-hold on the two most important houses > in > > > KPC! Earning is KARM's dhan while KARM is where one invests > earnings, > > > sometimes to lose! The 10-11 thing in standard jyotish! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > //Your choice!// > > > > > I have no choice wat so ever,but your wish.... > > > > > in fact as you might have seen i have removed the post to > edit.At > > > that > > > > > moment the power was off.What choice i have had?My life goes on > in > > > > > SURRENDER not by choice(so called). > > > > > My post was supposed to be read//ha..ha...the problem is i dont > > > > > think(like others).When i sincerely/seriously asked myself LONG > AGO > > > why > > > > > i should think what others want me to think the whole thinking > > > almost > > > > > gone and LIVING began which the thinking process can not explain > in > > > > > words..... > > > > > probably and astrologically Sat exalted/vargottama in 2nd aspd > by > > > jup > > > > > from 10th have had to do something about it along with 2nd lord > with > > > > > ketu..... > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm... > > > > > > > > > > > > In that case Gopi_ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > You should stop asking but switch to telling and sharing! > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharing with all what arrives at your soul and which is but to > be > > > > > given away and shared! > > > > > > > > > > > > Try this for six months and then come back and FRAP me if it > does > > > not > > > > > work positively for you! > > > > > > > > > > > > But no contact at all for the next six months with me or my > > > thoughts > > > > > or reading or responding to my postings and messages here or > > > anywhere > > > > > else -- until oh let us say First of July 2010 -- the > independence > > > day > > > > > of my current reality! > > > > > > > > > > > > Your choice! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > gopi_b927@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > ha..ha...the problem is i dont think(like others).When i > > > sincerely > > > > > asked > > > > > > > myself why i should think what others want me to think the > whole > > > > > > > thinking almost gone and LIVING began which the thinking > process > > > can > > > > > not > > > > > > > explain in words..... > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think of yourself as a jet-pilot in the cockpit of a plane > > > with no > > > > > > > windows or a security person in the monitoring room. All > reality > > > > > coming > > > > > > > to your senses through scopes, monitors and gauges! Big time > > > > > > > transduction city! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the scopes are not well-tuned and clean, the in-coming > > > > > information > > > > > > > will be garbled and give a false sense of reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a second, even your five senses that you believe > > > > > directly > > > > > > > interact with reality is an illusion and can get fooled very > > > easily. > > > > > If > > > > > > > you have ever had to go to a dentist and he or she > anesthetized > > > your > > > > > > > mouth -- when afterwards you tried to drink water from a > cup, > > > you > > > > > would > > > > > > > get the distinct feeling that the edge of the cup was > broken! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR-, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also a good one!!...one cant fix 'scope' for REALITY > though > > > > > Reality > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > be in the perception.May be that makes a difference.The > > > duality > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > differerence is also REALITY.....I dont seek IT because > it > > > is > > > > > in > > > > > > > front > > > > > > > > > and also everywhere... > > > > > > > > > HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REALITY SHALL ALWAYS BE IN THE PERCEPTION! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't seek REALITY, before you have fixed the 'Scope' > that > > > > > enables > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > to have PERCEPTION ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > //I believe every Soul is inherently Divine and WILL > > > > > > > > > > > eventually find its way back to where it belongs. > > > > > > > > > > > " Nothing Real Can Be Threatened, > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing Unreal Exists, > > > > > > > > > > > Therein Lies The Peace of God " . > > > > > > > > > > > -A Course in Miracles.// > > > > > > > > > > > good one indeed.... > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Chandran > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My views are not Exciting - but more traditional > and > > > > > boring. > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > commenting about a religion that is not mine and > some > > > thing > > > > > that > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > not researched thoroughly, I prefer to be just > that > > > - > > > > > > > > > traditional > > > > > > > > > > > and boring. As some one who does research R & D for a > > > living, > > > > > I > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > that even after carefully controlled experiments > and > > > > > trials, > > > > > > > > > > > Engineers and Scientists go wrong. All this even > when > > > every > > > > > > > thing is > > > > > > > > > > > painfully and thoroughly documented. In Cases > such > > > as > > > > > these, > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > the " said events " have happened thousands of years > ago, > > > when > > > > > > > > > Authorship > > > > > > > > > > > of documents is not easily attributable (is this > > > really > > > > > a > > > > > > > word?) > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > the legitimate owner, it may be prudent to let > things > > > lie > > > > > the > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > are. Ofcourse, just my boring opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You indeed have raised some valid points. The > newly > > > > > discovered > > > > > > > > > Gospel > > > > > > > > > > > of Thomas is indeed quite different from the > traditonal > > > > > Gospels > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Luke, > > > > > > > > > > > Mark etc. It gives quite a different view of > Jesus. > > > > > Ofcourse > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > they have not been sactioned by the Church, they > will > > > not be > > > > > > > > > accepted by > > > > > > > > > > > traditional Chistianity. So it is really up to > > > Christians if > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > to research that more. Thats where I leave that > > > argument. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But ultimately I don't put much emotions in to > these > > > > > > > questions, > > > > > > > > > > > because from my simplistic point of view, I believe > > > every > > > > > Soul > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > inherently Divine and WILL eventually find its way > back > > > to > > > > > where > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > belongs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Nothing Real Can Be Threatened, > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing Unreal Exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > Therein Lies The Peace of God " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -A Course in Miracles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, December 28, 2009 8:44:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: East, Direction of > > > Religion ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant_jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " Mayavini " realm of movies (even the > > > " documentaries " > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > 'docu-dramas' ) must always be taken with a 'pinch > of > > > salt!' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you have seen the BLOCKBUSTER movie of > the > > > last > > > > > > > decade: > > > > > > > > > > > GANDHI! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Movie-makers always have a creative license > because > > > they > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > creating > > > > > > > > > > > a salable product! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SALT is not inconsequential! It can bring down > > > KINGDOMS as > > > > > we > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > seen! And it completely destroys appetite and taste! > If > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > none or > > > > > > > > > > > even if there is too much! And not good for > 'plumbing' > > > > > either!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " prashant " > > > > > <praspandey@ > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < However, I have to disagree with your > > > comment > > > > > about > > > > > > > " His > > > > > > > > > > > teachings were completely Vedic " . I have read > the > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > and I don't see any thing " Vedic " in it. > Christianity is > > > > > > > primarily a > > > > > > > > > > > religion of Grace. Quite different from Vedic > teaching > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > theory of > > > > > > > > > > > Karma. Infact they are poles apart. And also He was > much > > > > > more > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > a " Nice Soul " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very happy to get your so EXCITING - VIEWS, > and > > > > > would > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > say THANK YOU for giving me opportunity to write > more > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to firstly take quotes from > Bhavisya > > > Purana > > > > > > > > > (19:28-30) > > > > > > > > > > > about Jesus Christ to put here . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " mlecchasa sthapito dharmo maya tacchrnu > bhupate > > > > > > > > > > > > > manasam nirmalam krtva malam dehe subhasubham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > naigamam japamasthaya japeta nirmalam param > > > > > > > > > > > > > nyayena satyavacasaa manasyaikena manavah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhyanena pujayedisam surya-mandala- samsthitam > > > > > > > > > > > > > acaloyam prabhuh sakshat- atha suryocalah sada " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Translation of above VERSES are as below :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Please hear Oh king which religious principles > I > > > have > > > > > > > > > established > > > > > > > > > > > among the mlecchas. The living entity is subject to > good > > > and > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > contaminations. The mind should be purified by > taking > > > > > recourse > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > proper > > > > > > > > > > > conduct and performance of japa. By chanting the > holy > > > names > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > attains > > > > > > > > > > > the highest purity. Just as the immovable sun > attracts, > > > from > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > directions, the elements of all living beings, the > Lord > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > solar > > > > > > > > > > > region, who is fixed and all-attractive, attracts > the > > > hearts > > > > > of > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > living creatures. Thus by following rules, speaking > > > truthful > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > mental harmony and by meditation, Oh descendant of > Manu, > > > one > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > worship that immovable Lord'. " (Bhavishya Purana > > > 19:27-30.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Link is below:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.salagram .net/Jesus- Went-To-India. > > > htm#You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have taken those above VERSES and its > translation > > > from > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > site, > > > > > > > > > > > so no manipulation from my-side in translation. Now > pl > > > > > everybody > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > that according to the VERSES Jesus has talked of > Sun-God > > > and > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > the main God of Rig-Vaidik Aryans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now we should also look into recent findings of > > > > > > > archaeologist in > > > > > > > > > > > QUMRAN Region ie near to Northern of > DEAD-SEA(Jordan) . > > > > > > > > > Archaeologists > > > > > > > > > > > have found some documents there which have been > remain > > > > > untouched > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > 300 BCE and those documents were called as " The Dead > Sea > > > > > > > scrolls " > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > those are basically " Hebrew Bible " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those were written by the priests of ESSENES > > > community > > > > > of > > > > > > > Qumran > > > > > > > > > > > region ie " Teacher of Righteousness " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting things is that some running > philosophy > > > of > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > just opposite of old Testament which have been found > in > > > that > > > > > > > region > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > and some beliefs and theology from that HOLY BIBLE > are > > > as > > > > > below > > > > > > > :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Their theology included belief in the > immortality > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > that they would receive their souls back after > death. > > > Part > > > > > of > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > activities included purification by water rituals, > > > > > > > > > > > > > which was supported by rainwater catchment and > > > storage. > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not manipulated above views, those are > > > written by > > > > > > > 80-90% > > > > > > > > > > > scholars who studied it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above written lines conatin, basically > Vaidik > > > > > rituals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already said that Bible teachings were > completely > > > > > Vaidic > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > nature > > > > > > > > > > > but later Romans with Greeks, perverted it and wrote > > > them > > > > > > > according > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > their will. And now the many scholars from CHRISTIAN > > > > > Community > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > and give abuses to VATICANS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Roman ruler of 4'th century AD ie > Constantine > > > was > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > totally under influence of Vaidik tradition ie of > > > > > Mithras(Mitra > > > > > > > God) > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Sun God but St Paul changed the Bible just to get > hold > > > over > > > > > > > Europe > > > > > > > > > > > according to their theology of meat eating, no soul > and > > > > > > > sentiments > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > animals and no incarnation theory related to KARMA > and > > > made > > > > > > > > > teachings of > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus Christ illogical as the ppl who read Bible say > > > that > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > strong gap in views of Gospels of Jesus(Manipulated > one > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > Romans+Greeks) which have been posed by Romans in > 4'th > > > > > Century > > > > > > > AD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They (Vaticans) not only manipulated the Jesus > > > Christ > > > > > > > teachings > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > also aired false theory of Aryan Invasion, now it > has > > > been > > > > > > > > > completely > > > > > > > > > > > refuted in open discussions in many forums. Still > they > > > are > > > > > > > abusing > > > > > > > > > > > ancient religions by sitting in that top university > of > > > WEST. > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > Pingree, Romila Thapar and Michael Witzel come in > the > > > same > > > > > > > category. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > > Chandran > > > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant Ji and All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would urge interested people to watch the > Movie > > > > > " Jesus > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > India " . Coincidentally I watched it just yesterday > > > > > and it > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > an interesting view on this contreversial subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I have to disagree with your > > > comment > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > " His > > > > > > > > > > > teachings were completely Vedic " . I have read > the > > > > > Bible > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > and I don't see any thing " Vedic " in it. > Christianity is > > > > > > > primarily a > > > > > > > > > > > religion of Grace. Quite different from Vedic > teaching > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > theory of > > > > > > > > > > > Karma. Infact they are poles apart. And also He was > much > > > > > more > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > a " Nice Soul " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant <praspandey@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, December 24, 2009 6:55:29 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > East, Direction of > > > Religion ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > s.com, > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < wikipedica says once young Jesus visited > India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some words for Great Jesus Christ:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He was a nice soul and his teachings were > > > completely > > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > and he > > > > > > > > > > > was in India not for short period but for 10 years > and > > > he > > > > > was > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > > Himalaya. About him there is mention in some > Puranas. > > > Bible > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > same, Pl refer to Old Testament not to Manipulated > one > > > which > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > done by > > > > > > > > > > > Romans Catholics. But now stories have been > manipulated > > > and > > > > > it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > written in New Manipulated Bible that he sent his > > > disciple > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He born in Iraq and learn Vaidik ways of > teachings > > > > > from > > > > > > > Iraq > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > later from main source ie EAST (Bharat). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Roman-Catholics of Veticans changed his > > > teachings > > > > > in > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > > > about 400 AD just to get hold of Europe where, there > was > > > > > VEDIC > > > > > > > > > Dharma > > > > > > > > > > > and crushed it later and it is evident from ancient > > > ETRUSCAN > > > > > > > > > > > CIVILIZATION now it is no more there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Romulus was nice fellow and he was > > > influenced > > > > > by > > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > > civilization which was there in Italy in the name of > > > > > ETRUSCAN ( > > > > > > > > > > > Descendant of Vaidik Atri Rishi) and Italy name is > in > > > the > > > > > name > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > civilization. Romans initially also made temples in > the > > > name > > > > > of > > > > > > > Atri > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi or one may say in the name of Etruscan > > > Civilization > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > recently > > > > > > > > > > > that Big temple has been found in Egypt by > archaeologist > > > and > > > > > > > name of > > > > > > > > > > > that temple is Athrabhis (in The name of Atri > Rishi). > > > > > Everbody's > > > > > > > eye > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > towards it BUT ROMAN CATHOLICS are quite scared Ha > Ha Ha > > > > > > > > > Ha… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaidik civilization even predates on other > ground > > > also > > > > > > > like it > > > > > > > > > > > predate to Sumerians civilization (Civilization on > > > > > Mesopotamian > > > > > > > > > ground). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most ancient epic of Sumerians which is in > the > > > > > name of > > > > > > > > > > > Gilgamesh is basically copy of Atra-Hasis > Epic(Nobody > > > has > > > > > > > > > contradicted > > > > > > > > > > > it till-date that Flood story of Atra-Hasis Epic is > > > copied > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Gilgamesh's Epic). Gilgamesh was the third king of > > > > > Sumerians. > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > imagine who predates on other lands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atra-Hasis = Atri-Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And JUST before flood of 2700 BCE on the > ground of > > > > > > > Sumerians > > > > > > > > > > > (means now known Sumerians is after of that flood) > there > > > was > > > > > a > > > > > > > King > > > > > > > > > > > named as Ziusudra (Zarasthura) , and i dont have to > tell > > > who > > > > > he > > > > > > > was, > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > was the person who is the author of Avesta. Avestans > > > > > (Persians, > > > > > > > > > > > Iranians) are basically cousins of Vaidik ppl. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assyrians were Ashur as Atri rishi had told > about > > > the > > > > > > > Ashura > > > > > > > > > > > Swarbhanu (Rahu) who engulf Sun and Assyrians were > > > > > descendant of > > > > > > > > > Atri > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zarasthura (Ziu + Sura ) was Sura (Opposite of > > > Ashur) > > > > > and > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > the the author of Epic Avesta of Zoroasterians ie of > > > > > Iranians. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > s.com, > > > > > > > " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It feels so good while reading your's > analysis > > > > > because > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > openly share > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your's views, you have touched almost every > > > thing, > > > > > let's > > > > > > > > > begin > > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combined analysis so that best come out and > > > other > > > > > people > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > also become > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a part, feeling free. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding a point - Jup in Moola nakschatra > gives > > > > > immense > > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intution, phaldeepika, shambhu hora prakash > and > > > If I > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > correctly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotisharnava Navnitam etc have said so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In his last days Edger was guided to know > about > > > > > India, > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > once > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to tell about previous births and > > > reincarnations, > > > > > > > wikipedica > > > > > > > > > > > says once > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young Jesus visited India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < I also have one chart of one boy who is > just > > > 25 > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > > > > but ppl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says he has psychic powers.( I have his > > > details). > > > > > Some > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Edgar Cayce was having. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Details of that Native are as below:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mar 11,1984 (Sun) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 08:09:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Delhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some ppl who knows him closely says that > he > > > has > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > > > powers bt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am worried he may be hit by those spirits. > As > > > Ma > > > > > and > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > blocking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fortunes of Sa which is in 8'th house and > there > > > is > > > > > > > complete > > > > > > > > > > > imbalance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between 8'th and 12'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma+Sa+Ke are making stubborn combination > but > > > at > > > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > in 12 > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are mild stars. So those spirits may hit him > and > > > > > coming > > > > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > transit near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Sa and Ma and Ke may be fatal for him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is my frnd's frnd, many drug mafias > take > > > his > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > and he has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been Chela and very close to Chandraswami. > His > > > > > family's > > > > > > > > > > > financial condns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not so good and he is also Mishraji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never met with that person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > aling@ > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > praspandey@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One Correction - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > > crossing > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 2'nd or sometimes in trines then native > > > would be > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > crossing > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2'nd or sometimes trines to 8'th house then > > > native > > > > > would > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > major psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > aling@ > > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Mishraji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some Views from my side :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His chart shows that he had possession > of > > > some > > > > > > > spirits > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never harmed him and those could be Female. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 12'th and 8'th and 4'th are > connected > > > and > > > > > those > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Sa and Ve are so close. Sa + Ve use > to > > > play > > > > > > > main > > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Psychic powers and those should be lord of > > > mainly > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > but it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is good that 12'th lord Me came in picture > and > > > it is > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > at same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees of Ve and Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Ra is near to Sa and Ve and just > before > > > of > > > > > Sa + > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blast of possessions of spirits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though above conditions are more than > > > enough > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic powers. But some more points - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Amazingly it is happening in > Aquarius. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) It is good that Ma was not in 8'th > or > > > in > > > > > 2'nd > > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirits might have hurt the native in > violent > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view when Sa or Ra would be just > > > > > crossing > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > 8'th, > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 2'nd or sometimes in trines then native > > > would be > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychic happenings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo is not getting any aspect or it is > not > > > in > > > > > trine > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > , from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house so native was enjoying and > sensing > > > whole > > > > > > > > > happenings > > > > > > > > > > > and so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never would have come in whirl of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had 2-3 charts in which spirits took > > > away > > > > > life > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those native hanged themselves and their > > > relatives > > > > > found > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > sign of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some spirits. I will ask from a lady to > again > > > give > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > details > > > > > > > > > > > to me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she is from Europe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also have one chart of one boy who > is > > > just > > > > > 25 > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > old > > > > > > > > > > > but ppl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says he has psychic powers.( I have his > > > details). > > > > > Some > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Edgar Cayce was having. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also know one lady from USA > (christian > > > but > > > > > > > follows > > > > > > > > > > > Vaidik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tradition, but she is hard core American and > her > > > no > > > > > > > relative > > > > > > > > > > > even from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asia) and she is fluent in hindi and sees > hindi > > > > > movies. > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > > says she > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can see spirits but she always sees spirits > when > > > > > person > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > about to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > die as her Bharani Nks is active. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Edgar Cayce was definitely having > > > psychic > > > > > > > abilities > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > high > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > class. This is extreme case one may see and > > > validate > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > concepts of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VEDIC-ASTROLOGY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS :- I follow very basic concepts > during > > > > > > > prediction > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > only see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how planets are fielded in D-1 only and try > to > > > see > > > > > how > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > > aling@ > > > > > s.com, > > > > > > > > > > > " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are few but rock solid, we are no > > > fakes, > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > gurus, no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts, we are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those who discover more, we have > fire in > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we are unbounded, I m little busy > these > > > day > > > > > but > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > > 10 - 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be able to settle things down > and > > > then > > > > > we > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > embark on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > journey to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new horizons of vedic astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls try to study Edgar Cayce's > chart, he > > > was > > > > > one > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > went into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trans to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read akasik libraries, I mean coded > > > mesages > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.near- death.com/ > experiences/ > > > > > > > > > cayce02.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.near- death.com/ > > > experiences/ > > > > > > > > > cayce02.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ > > > Edgar_Cayce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ > > > Edgar_Cayce> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They say 8'th house is the one who > takes > > > one > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > Mokscha, > > > > > > > > > > > I told > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the one who takes one to mysticism - > > > true or > > > > > > > untrue, > > > > > > > > > > > this was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the truth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which caused me leave one dozen > dogmatic > > > > > > > jyotishis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > > > aling@ > > > > > > > s.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhe > > > > > aling@ > > > > > > > s.com > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > " prashant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <praspandey@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Dear Shri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont join any group as sometimes > it > > > > > diverts > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > i have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other things in hand otherwise i > dont > > > have > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes i also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without telling owner of > > > group > > > > > and > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > > > > reappear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think you will not mind for the same > if > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to request you that > plz > > > > > always > > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > imp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal id as it use to have some > good > > > > > content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for the same! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am amazed to see so less members > in > > > your > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > embarked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with creating group in April 07. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again to my dear Lalitji > for > > > giving > > > > > > > > > membership > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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