Guest guest Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 History is evident, Andra and Karnataka region is responsive to Saturn's transit, Emergence and fall of dynasties in Andra - Karnataka region has always been subject to Saturn's transit on Aries, Virgo, Scorpio, and Sagittarius. This study is based on following two pints - · Jup and mars are the soul and body of India. Mars is the significator of Indian subcontinent's geography, it should not receive malificance of either Saturn or Rahu. · Kurma chakra says major part of Andhra region is ruled by Uttarphalguni to Chitra nakschatra of Virgo. The first Hoysala ruler's family record is dated 950 and names Arekalla as the chieftain, In 1186-87, Saturn was again in Virgo when Vir Ballal set Hoyasals free from the subordination laying the foundation of independent Hoyasal dynasty. In 1309 when Saturn was in Scorpio and Jup was in Capricorn, Malik Kafur, with an immense force swept into the Dakhan and captured Warangal. The old capital of the Hoysala Ballalas at Dvarasamudra was taken in 1310. Saturn's next transit on Virgo in 1333-1334 led to the foundation of Kingdom of Vijayanagara in 1336 while it caused declination of Hoyasals ruling. Biggest defeat happened in 1565 by the Decan Sultantes, Saturn was in Virgo, however survived untill 1646. The origins of the Nizam dynasty can be traced to Chin Qalich Khan who was commander of the Mughal army during Aurangzeb's reign. Chin Qalich Khan led the attack of the Mughal army at Deccan. During Aurangzeb's last siege of Golconda in 1687 (Sat was in Virgo),Chin Qalich Khan was wounded. He died in Atapur village near Himayath Sagar. Chin Qalich Khan's son, Nawab Ghaziuddin Khan, married the daughter of Sadullah Khan, Prime Minister of Aurangzeb. A son was born, and the Emperor named him Mir Qumaruddin. At the age of six, Mir Qumaruddin accompanied his father to the Mughal court. Aurangzeb awarded him a mansab, and said to his father, " The star of destiny shines on the forehead of your son " . Mir Qumaruddin displayed considerable skill as a warrior and at the age of nineteen, the Emperor bestowed on him the title " Chin Fateh Khan " . As said earlier, if Saturn or Rahu afflicts Jup and Mars or their signs, India and Govt both has to face stiff challange, Though, Rahu is transiting Sagittarious, but Saturn is not directly involved however it casting it's aspect on scorpio, but will not afflicting either Jup or their signs, so, no quick thoughtless reconstruction of the states in India. If we look at current scenario though Jup has been in debility, now transits Aquarius. Jup in Aquarius always tend to put Indian rulers in ordeal, posing challanges to show competence, If government shows it, ruling team continues otherwise changes come, at least revamp of cabinet is likely. For the curent movement for division of Andhra, transit indicates a turning point is likely to emerge, as Jup w'd soon move out to Pisces in May 2010, Simultaneously, Mars w'd also come out of it's debility, This pattern of transit shows current turbulance to pacify, It should get distilled by April - May 2010, Earlier, I thought it to cool down in a month's time but forgot to notice Saturn is going in standstill mode, seems this saturn will keep simmering the current protest for some more time, Anyways, Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 degrees becomes Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted justified decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be based on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take place after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of remote areas. Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits either Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in rather permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's strength. Jup signifies the integrity of country and it's wellness as well, we should rest assured that after MAY 2010, India w'd have a high performance govt, either same team and leader will work significantly better or somebody new come into picture. Jup and Mars when transits Pisces or Aries they try their best to give a high performace govt to this country, remain hopeful. The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart, under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we have read in ancient history. -------------------- Utkal Panigrahi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Dear Lalit Misra, I welcome Sh Ajit ji in the group. I like to invite your attention not only to Andra Pradesh but also to Gorkha land in West bengal, Boro land in Assam, and other states in UP. You have not given the lagna of India and other information regarding India I shall like have your comments on the same. Regards--- On Fri, 12/25/09, litsol <mishra.lalit wrote: litsol <mishra.lalit[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Andhra Troubles & Saturn on VirgoVedic Astrologyandhealing Date: Friday, December 25, 2009, 1:11 AM History is evident, Andra and Karnataka region is responsive to Saturn's weakness, This study is based on following two pints - · Jup and mars are the soul and body of India. Mars is the significator of Indian subcontinent' s geography, it should not receive malificance of either Saturn or Rahu. · Kurma chakra says major part of Andhra region is ruled by Uttarphalguni to Chitra nakschatra of Virgo. Emergence and fall of dynasties in Andra - Karnataka region responds to Saturn's transit on Aries, Virgo, Scorpio, and Sagittarius. The first Hoysala ruler's family record is dated 950 and names Arekalla as the chieftain, In 1186-87, Saturn was again in Virgo when Vir Ballal set Hoyasals free from the subordination laying the foundation of independent Hoyasal dynasty. In 1309 when Saturn was in Scorpio and Jup was in Capricorn, Malik Kafur, with an immense force swept into the Dakhan and captured Warangal. The old capital of the Hoysala Ballalas at Dvarasamudra was taken in 1310. Saturn's next transit on Virgo in 1333-1334 led to the foundation of Kingdom of Vijayanagara in 1336 while it caused declination of Hoyasals ruling. Biggest defeat happened in 1565 by the Decan Sultantes, Saturn was in Virgo, however survived untill 1646. The origins of the Nizam dynasty can be traced to Chin Qalich Khan who was commander of the Mughal army during Aurangzeb's reign. Chin Qalich Khan led the attack of the Mughal army at Deccan. During Aurangzeb's last siege of Golconda in 1687 (Sat was in Virgo),Chin Qalich Khan was wounded. He died in Atapur village near Himayath Sagar. Chin Qalich Khan's son, Nawab Ghaziuddin Khan, married the daughter of Sadullah Khan, Prime Minister of Aurangzeb. A son was born, and the Emperor named him Mir Qumaruddin. At the age of six, Mir Qumaruddin accompanied his father to the Mughal court. Aurangzeb awarded him a mansab, and said to his father, "The star of destiny shines on the forehead of your son". Mir Qumaruddin displayed considerable skill as a warrior and at the age of nineteen, the Emperor bestowed on him the title "Chin Fateh Khan". As said earlier, if Saturn or Rahu afflicts Jup and Mars or their signs, India and Govt both has to face stiff challange, Though, Rahu is transiting Sagittarious, but Saturn is not directly involved however it casting it's aspect on scorpio, but will not afflicting either Jup or their signs, so, no quick thoughtless reconstruction of the states in India.If we look at current scenario though Jup has been in debility, now transits Aquarius. Jup in Aquarius always tend to put Indian rulers in ordeal, posing challanges to show competence, If government shows it, ruling team continues otherwise changes come, at least revamp of cabinet is likely. For the curent movement for division of Andhra, transit indicates a turning point is likely to emerge, as Jup w'd soon move out to Pisces in May 2010, Simultaneously, Mars w'd also come out of it's debility, This pattern of transit shows current turbulance to pacify, It should get distilled by April - May 2010, Earlier, I thought it to cool down in a month's time but forgot to notice Saturn is going in standstill mode, seems this saturn will keep simmering the current protest for some more time, Anyways, Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 degrees becomes Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted justified decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be based on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take place after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of remote areas. Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits either Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in rather permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's strength. Jup signifies the integrity of country and it's wellness as well, we should rest assured that after MAY 2010, India w'd have a high performance govt, either same team and leader will work significantly better or somebody new come into picture. Jup and Mars when transits Pisces or Aries they try their best to give a high performace govt to this country, remain hopeful. The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in his horo, under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we have read in ancient history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Group, As we could forsee on 25'th dec,2009's post, things are almost moved in same direction, Govt has set up a committee who will give it's report in next 3 years, We saw that current agitation to cool down when Jup crosses 15 degrees of Kumbha and any possibility for division of Indian map can happen only in 2013-14. /* I thought it to cool down in a month's time but forgot to notice Saturn is going in standstill mode, seems this saturn will keep simmering the current protest for some more time, Anyways, Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 degrees becomes Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted justified decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be based on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take place after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of remote areas. Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits either Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in rather permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's strength */ regards, Lalit Mishra. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > > > History is evident, Andra and Karnataka region is responsive to Saturn's > weakness, This study is based on following two pints - > > · Jup and mars are the soul and body of India. Mars is the > significator of Indian subcontinent's geography, it should not receive > malificance of either Saturn or Rahu. > > · Kurma chakra says major part of Andhra region is ruled by > Uttarphalguni to Chitra nakschatra of Virgo. > > Emergence and fall of dynasties in Andra - Karnataka region responds to > Saturn's transit on Aries, Virgo, Scorpio, and Sagittarius. > > The first Hoysala ruler's family record is dated 950 and names > Arekalla as the chieftain, In 1186-87, Saturn was again in Virgo when > Vir Ballal set Hoyasals free from the subordination laying the > foundation of independent Hoyasal dynasty. > > In 1309 when Saturn was in Scorpio and Jup was in Capricorn, Malik > Kafur, with an immense force swept into the Dakhan and captured > Warangal. The old capital of the Hoysala Ballalas at Dvarasamudra was > taken in 1310. > > Saturn's next transit on Virgo in 1333-1334 led to the foundation of > Kingdom of Vijayanagara in 1336 while it caused declination of Hoyasals > ruling. Biggest defeat happened in 1565 by the Decan Sultantes, Saturn > was in Virgo, however survived untill 1646. > > The origins of the Nizam dynasty can be traced to Chin Qalich Khan who > was commander of the Mughal army during Aurangzeb's reign. Chin > Qalich Khan led the attack of the Mughal army at Deccan. > > During Aurangzeb's last siege of Golconda in 1687 (Sat was in > Virgo),Chin Qalich Khan was wounded. He died in Atapur village near > Himayath Sagar. Chin Qalich Khan's son, Nawab Ghaziuddin Khan, > married the daughter of Sadullah Khan, Prime Minister of Aurangzeb. A > son was born, and the Emperor named him Mir Qumaruddin. At the age of > six, Mir Qumaruddin accompanied his father to the Mughal court. > Aurangzeb awarded him a mansab, and said to his father, " The star of > destiny shines on the forehead of your son " . > > Mir Qumaruddin displayed considerable skill as a warrior and at the age > of nineteen, the Emperor bestowed on him the title " Chin Fateh Khan " . > > As said earlier, if Saturn or Rahu afflicts Jup and Mars or their signs, > India and Govt both has to face stiff challange, Though, Rahu is > transiting Sagittarious, but Saturn is not directly involved however it > casting it's aspect on scorpio, but will not afflicting either Jup or > their signs, so, no quick thoughtless reconstruction of the states in > India. > > If we look at current scenario though Jup has been in debility, now > transits Aquarius. > Jup in Aquarius always tend to put Indian rulers in ordeal, posing > challanges to show competence, If government shows it, ruling team > continues otherwise changes come, at least revamp of cabinet is likely. > > For the curent movement for division of Andhra, transit indicates a > turning point is likely to emerge, as Jup w'd soon move out to Pisces in > May 2010, Simultaneously, Mars w'd also come out of it's debility, This > pattern of transit shows current turbulance to pacify, It should get > distilled by April - May 2010, Earlier, I thought it to cool down in a > month's time but forgot to notice Saturn is going in standstill > mode, seems this saturn will keep simmering the current protest for some > more time, Anyways, Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 degrees > becomes Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted > justified decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be based > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take place > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > remote areas. > > Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits either > Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in rather > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > strength. > > > > Jup signifies the integrity of country and it's wellness as well, we > should rest assured that after MAY 2010, India w'd have a high > performance govt, either same team and leader will work significantly > better or somebody new come into picture. Jup and Mars when transits > Pisces or Aries they try their best to give a high performace govt to > this country, remain hopeful. > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in his > horo, under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that > we have read in ancient history. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 With correct vedic appoach, we can predict events before they occur, As we saw on 25'th Dec 2009's post, things have moved in the said direction, Our discovery is Places and Planets are linked, countries charts are misleading as no country takes birth on a date, India was there before 15'th August 1947. It was said in following message #25486, 25'th Dec 2009 - /*Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits either Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in rather permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's strength. */ Govt has yesterday set up a committee headed by Supreme Court Judge B N Srikrishna who will give it's report in next 3 years, thus, as we said any possibility of sub division of Indian map is only in 2013-14, not before that. http://in.news./48/20100204/814/tnl-centre-sets-up-srikrishna-p\ anel-for.html <http://in.news./48/20100204/814/tnl-centre-sets-up-srikrishna-\ panel-for.html> Set up of a committee shows there will be a justified decision on this issue as we saw in the same post, right now Jup is on 10'th degree, by the time Jup crosses 15'th degree, committee may office etc to begin it's work, as said - /* Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 degrees becomes Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted justified decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be based on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take place after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of remote areas. */ Definitely, committee w'd do brainstorming for taking a right decision. -------- Utkal. , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi wrote: > > > > History is evident, Andra and Karnataka region is responsive to Saturn's > transit, Emergence and fall of dynasties in Andra - Karnataka region has > always been subject to Saturn's transit on Aries, Virgo, Scorpio, and > Sagittarius. > > This study is based on following two pints - > > · Jup and mars are the soul and body of India. Mars is the > significator of Indian subcontinent's geography, it should not receive > malificance of either Saturn or Rahu. > > · Kurma chakra says major part of Andhra region is ruled by > Uttarphalguni to Chitra nakschatra of Virgo. > > The first Hoysala ruler's family record is dated 950 and names > Arekalla as the chieftain, In 1186-87, Saturn was again in Virgo when > Vir Ballal set Hoyasals free from the subordination laying the > foundation of independent Hoyasal dynasty. > > In 1309 when Saturn was in Scorpio and Jup was in Capricorn, Malik > Kafur, with an immense force swept into the Dakhan and captured > Warangal. The old capital of the Hoysala Ballalas at Dvarasamudra was > taken in 1310. > > Saturn's next transit on Virgo in 1333-1334 led to the foundation of > Kingdom of Vijayanagara in 1336 while it caused declination of Hoyasals > ruling. Biggest defeat happened in 1565 by the Decan Sultantes, Saturn > was in Virgo, however survived untill 1646. > > The origins of the Nizam dynasty can be traced to Chin Qalich Khan who > was commander of the Mughal army during Aurangzeb's reign. Chin > Qalich Khan led the attack of the Mughal army at Deccan. > > During Aurangzeb's last siege of Golconda in 1687 (Sat was in > Virgo),Chin Qalich Khan was wounded. He died in Atapur village near > Himayath Sagar. Chin Qalich Khan's son, Nawab Ghaziuddin Khan, > married the daughter of Sadullah Khan, Prime Minister of Aurangzeb. A > son was born, and the Emperor named him Mir Qumaruddin. At the age of > six, Mir Qumaruddin accompanied his father to the Mughal court. > Aurangzeb awarded him a mansab, and said to his father, " The star of > destiny shines on the forehead of your son " . > > Mir Qumaruddin displayed considerable skill as a warrior and at the age > of nineteen, the Emperor bestowed on him the title " Chin Fateh Khan " . > > As said earlier, if Saturn or Rahu afflicts Jup and Mars or their signs, > India and Govt both has to face stiff challange, Though, Rahu is > transiting Sagittarious, but Saturn is not directly involved however it > casting it's aspect on scorpio, but will not afflicting either Jup or > their signs, so, no quick thoughtless reconstruction of the states in > India. > > If we look at current scenario though Jup has been in debility, now > transits Aquarius. > Jup in Aquarius always tend to put Indian rulers in ordeal, posing > challanges to show competence, If government shows it, ruling team > continues otherwise changes come, at least revamp of cabinet is likely. > > For the curent movement for division of Andhra, transit indicates a > turning point is likely to emerge, as Jup w'd soon move out to Pisces in > May 2010, Simultaneously, Mars w'd also come out of it's debility, This > pattern of transit shows current turbulance to pacify, It should get > distilled by April - May 2010, Earlier, I thought it to cool down in a > month's time but forgot to notice Saturn is going in standstill > mode, seems this saturn will keep simmering the current protest for some > more time, Anyways, Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 degrees > becomes Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted > justified decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be based > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take place > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > remote areas. > > > Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits either > Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in rather > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > strength. > > > > Jup signifies the integrity of country and it's wellness as well, we > should rest assured that after MAY 2010, India w'd have a high > performance govt, either same team and leader will work significantly > better or somebody new come into picture. Jup and Mars when transits > Pisces or Aries they try their best to give a high performace govt to > this country, remain hopeful. > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart, > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > have read in ancient history. > > > > -------------------- > Utkal Panigrahi. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Dear Utkal The analysis you posted is good to read, but I would say that cities and countries can have a national chart once we know the date of an agreed contract charter or covenance signed by dignitaries of that place. Of course the land is already there and continually evolving, but once it is inhabited by man it will obviously be shaped by humans to fulfil certain destiny normally conveyed in the chart of their settlement or recognition date. Most charts currently employed for countries are used solely for political purposes, so it does not make sense to not use a political charter as the birth of that political process. Land in isolation does not have a political process therefore a different approach is needed to set up a chart used for none political purposes. I use the chart for my city with some success, though not for looking at political issues. I also deliver regular weather predictions and can assure you the ascendant of my city chart plays a key role in successful weather predictions. Other leading astro meteorologists have found the same for their city or country. best wishes M - utkal.panigrahi Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:44 AM Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo With correct vedic appoach, we can predict events before they occur, As we saw on 25'th Dec 2009's post, things have moved in the said direction, Our discovery is Places and Planets are linked, countries charts are misleading as no country takes birth on a date, India was there before 15'th August 1947. It was said in following message #25486, 25'th Dec 2009 - /*Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits either Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in rather permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's strength. */ Govt has yesterday set up a committee headed by Supreme Court Judge B N Srikrishna who will give it's report in next 3 years, thus, as we said any possibility of sub division of Indian map is only in 2013-14, not before that. http://in.news./48/20100204/814/tnl-centre-sets-up-srikrishna-p\ anel-for.html <http://in.news./48/20100204/814/tnl-centre-sets-up-srikrishna-\ panel-for.html> Set up of a committee shows there will be a justified decision on this issue as we saw in the same post, right now Jup is on 10'th degree, by the time Jup crosses 15'th degree, committee may office etc to begin it's work, as said - /* Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 degrees becomes Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted justified decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be based on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take place after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of remote areas. */ Definitely, committee w'd do brainstorming for taking a right decision. -------- Utkal. , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi wrote: > > > > History is evident, Andra and Karnataka region is responsive to Saturn's > transit, Emergence and fall of dynasties in Andra - Karnataka region has > always been subject to Saturn's transit on Aries, Virgo, Scorpio, and > Sagittarius. > > This study is based on following two pints - > > · Jup and mars are the soul and body of India. Mars is the > significator of Indian subcontinent's geography, it should not receive > malificance of either Saturn or Rahu. > > · Kurma chakra says major part of Andhra region is ruled by > Uttarphalguni to Chitra nakschatra of Virgo. > > The first Hoysala ruler's family record is dated 950 and names > Arekalla as the chieftain, In 1186-87, Saturn was again in Virgo when > Vir Ballal set Hoyasals free from the subordination laying the > foundation of independent Hoyasal dynasty. > > In 1309 when Saturn was in Scorpio and Jup was in Capricorn, Malik > Kafur, with an immense force swept into the Dakhan and captured > Warangal. The old capital of the Hoysala Ballalas at Dvarasamudra was > taken in 1310. > > Saturn's next transit on Virgo in 1333-1334 led to the foundation of > Kingdom of Vijayanagara in 1336 while it caused declination of Hoyasals > ruling. Biggest defeat happened in 1565 by the Decan Sultantes, Saturn > was in Virgo, however survived untill 1646. > > The origins of the Nizam dynasty can be traced to Chin Qalich Khan who > was commander of the Mughal army during Aurangzeb's reign. Chin > Qalich Khan led the attack of the Mughal army at Deccan. > > During Aurangzeb's last siege of Golconda in 1687 (Sat was in > Virgo),Chin Qalich Khan was wounded. He died in Atapur village near > Himayath Sagar. Chin Qalich Khan's son, Nawab Ghaziuddin Khan, > married the daughter of Sadullah Khan, Prime Minister of Aurangzeb. A > son was born, and the Emperor named him Mir Qumaruddin. At the age of > six, Mir Qumaruddin accompanied his father to the Mughal court. > Aurangzeb awarded him a mansab, and said to his father, " The star of > destiny shines on the forehead of your son " . > > Mir Qumaruddin displayed considerable skill as a warrior and at the age > of nineteen, the Emperor bestowed on him the title " Chin Fateh Khan " . > > As said earlier, if Saturn or Rahu afflicts Jup and Mars or their signs, > India and Govt both has to face stiff challange, Though, Rahu is > transiting Sagittarious, but Saturn is not directly involved however it > casting it's aspect on scorpio, but will not afflicting either Jup or > their signs, so, no quick thoughtless reconstruction of the states in > India. > > If we look at current scenario though Jup has been in debility, now > transits Aquarius. > Jup in Aquarius always tend to put Indian rulers in ordeal, posing > challanges to show competence, If government shows it, ruling team > continues otherwise changes come, at least revamp of cabinet is likely. > > For the curent movement for division of Andhra, transit indicates a > turning point is likely to emerge, as Jup w'd soon move out to Pisces in > May 2010, Simultaneously, Mars w'd also come out of it's debility, This > pattern of transit shows current turbulance to pacify, It should get > distilled by April - May 2010, Earlier, I thought it to cool down in a > month's time but forgot to notice Saturn is going in standstill > mode, seems this saturn will keep simmering the current protest for some > more time, Anyways, Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 degrees > becomes Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted > justified decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be based > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take place > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > remote areas. > > > Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits either > Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in rather > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > strength. > > > > Jup signifies the integrity of country and it's wellness as well, we > should rest assured that after MAY 2010, India w'd have a high > performance govt, either same team and leader will work significantly > better or somebody new come into picture. Jup and Mars when transits > Pisces or Aries they try their best to give a high performace govt to > this country, remain hopeful. > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart, > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > have read in ancient history. > > > > -------------------- > Utkal Panigrahi. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Atal Bihari Vajpayee had his Jupiter in own sign and Mars in the fifth lord, as lagna lord and still we are waiting for a strong PM with Jupiter/Mars. Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong PM. The list may be long. Nehru had Jupiter 9th lord in own sign in the sixth house and Mars in the third house. Rajiv Gandhi had 5th lord Jupiter in lagna and 9th lord Mars in the second house aspecting fifth house. Chandrasekhar had exalted mars and debilitated jupiter combining in the 10th house, perfect neecha bhanga. Narasimha Rao had his Mars in the 10th house again and Jupiter in the 12th with 12th lord. Tell me if you need more and also please tell me which " kalki " avatar are we waiting for to take India forward. regards, Manoj ________________________________ utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi Thu, February 4, 2010 9:14:46 AM Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart, > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > have read in ancient history. > > Utkal Panigrahi. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Dear Mr Manoj,  < Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong PM. >  Mr Panigrahi has said as follows :-  *************** The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart ***************  Respected Smt Indira was THE ONLY strong PM and she was having Strong Mars due to exchange with Sun and Sun was in 5'th and Ma in 2'nd. 5'th gives power.  Jupiter was also in exchange with Ve so again strog but it was cursed because Ra afflicted both Ve and Ju so she lost her child Sanjay due to Brahman curse and same thing took her life.  Learn some Jyotish !  Ju is karaka of India because it is Karaka of VEDAS, very basic thing of JYOTISH.  Ma makes Ju, Valiant(Shoorveer).  INSTEAD OF COMMENTING IN FRUSTRATION AND IRRITATION,IT IS BETTER TO WORK ON JYOTISH.  PAWAN --- On Fri, 5/2/10, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: Manoj Kumar <mouji99 Re: Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo Friday, 5 February, 2010, 10:08 AM  Atal Bihari Vajpayee had his Jupiter in own sign and Mars in the fifth lord, as lagna lord and still we are waiting for a strong PM with Jupiter/Mars. Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong PM. The list may be long. Nehru had Jupiter 9th lord in own sign in the sixth house and Mars in the third house. Rajiv Gandhi had 5th lord Jupiter in lagna and 9th lord Mars in the second house aspecting fifth house. Chandrasekhar had exalted mars and debilitated jupiter combining in the 10th house, perfect neecha bhanga. Narasimha Rao had his Mars in the 10th house again and Jupiter in the 12th with 12th lord. Tell me if you need more and also please tell me which " kalki " avatar are we waiting for to take India forward. regards, Manoj ____________ _________ _________ __ utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ > Thu, February 4, 2010 9:14:46 AM Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart, > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > have read in ancient history. > > Utkal Panigrahi. > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Dear Pawan, Let's leave this guy alone, he tries to know about a nativity by understanding a combination in a chart in isolation. Let him be able to integrate things, after that he we can see some improvements. regards, Utkal. , Astro Talk <astro.talk wrote: > > Dear Mr Manoj, >  > < Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong PM. > >  > Mr Panigrahi has said as follows :- >  > *************** > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart > *************** >  > Respected Smt Indira was THE ONLY strong PM and she was having Strong Mars due to exchange with Sun and Sun was in 5'th and Ma in 2'nd. 5'th gives power. >  > Jupiter was also in exchange with Ve so again strog but it was cursed because Ra afflicted both Ve and Ju so she lost her child Sanjay due to Brahman curse and same thing took her life. >  > Learn some Jyotish ! >  > Ju is karaka of India because it is Karaka of VEDAS, very basic thing of JYOTISH. >  > Ma makes Ju, Valiant(Shoorveer). >  > INSTEAD OF COMMENTING IN FRUSTRATION AND IRRITATION,IT IS BETTER TO WORK ON JYOTISH. >  > PAWAN > > --- On Fri, 5/2/10, Manoj Kumar mouji99 wrote: > > > Manoj Kumar mouji99 > Re: Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > Friday, 5 February, 2010, 10:08 AM > > >  > > > > Atal Bihari Vajpayee had his Jupiter in own sign and Mars in the fifth lord, as lagna lord and still we are waiting for a strong PM with Jupiter/Mars. > > Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong PM. > > The list may be long. Nehru had Jupiter 9th lord in own sign in the sixth house and Mars in the third house. > > Rajiv Gandhi had 5th lord Jupiter in lagna and 9th lord Mars in the second house aspecting fifth house. > > Chandrasekhar had exalted mars and debilitated jupiter combining in the 10th house, perfect neecha bhanga. > > Narasimha Rao had his Mars in the 10th house again and Jupiter in the 12th with 12th lord. > > Tell me if you need more and also please tell me which " kalki " avatar are we waiting for to take India forward. > > regards, > > Manoj > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ > > > Thu, February 4, 2010 9:14:46 AM > Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart, > > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > > have read in ancient history. > > > > Utkal Panigrahi. > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Wonderful. Wonderful. Now this gets interesting. The gentleman is still waiting for a strong P.M. to come to take India forward when so many Prime Ministers, including Indira Gandhi, and Mr. Pawan, why do you forget Mr. Chandra Shekhar, exalted mars in the 10th house and by far the weakest Prime Minister of India. Please tell your Master to atleast teach some astrology to novices like me who like to interpret atleast combinations and do not reel out predictions by making a newspaper forecast. Every Indian knows that a Commission established now would take atleast 3-4 years to start functioning so no need to make intelligent guesses on the basis of movement of Jupiter. Now my dear friend, give astroogical reasoning than hiding behind ignorance or calling others ignorant. best wishes (and I dont prescribe any mantra for anyone) Manoj ________________________________ utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi Fri, February 5, 2010 12:54:58 PM Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo Dear Pawan, Let's leave this guy alone, he tries to know about a nativity by understanding a combination in a chart in isolation. Let him be able to integrate things, after that he we can see some improvements. regards, Utkal. , Astro Talk <astro.talk@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Mr Manoj, >  > < Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong PM. > >  > Mr Panigrahi has said as follows :- >  > ************ *** > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart > ************ *** >  > Respected Smt Indira was THE ONLY strong PM and she was having Strong Mars due to exchange with Sun and Sun was in 5'th and Ma in 2'nd. 5'th gives power. >  > Jupiter was also in exchange with Ve so again strog but it was cursed because Ra afflicted both Ve and Ju so she lost her child Sanjay due to Brahman curse and same thing took her life. >  > Learn some Jyotish ! >  > Ju is karaka of India because it is Karaka of VEDAS, very basic thing of JYOTISH. >  > Ma makes Ju, Valiant(Shoorveer) . >  > INSTEAD OF COMMENTING IN FRUSTRATION AND IRRITATION,IT IS BETTER TO WORK ON JYOTISH. >  > PAWAN > > --- On Fri, 5/2/10, Manoj Kumar mouji99 wrote: > > > Manoj Kumar mouji99 > Re: Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > Friday, 5 February, 2010, 10:08 AM > > >  > > > > Atal Bihari Vajpayee had his Jupiter in own sign and Mars in the fifth lord, as lagna lord and still we are waiting for a strong PM with Jupiter/Mars. > > Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong PM. > > The list may be long. Nehru had Jupiter 9th lord in own sign in the sixth house and Mars in the third house. > > Rajiv Gandhi had 5th lord Jupiter in lagna and 9th lord Mars in the second house aspecting fifth house. > > Chandrasekhar had exalted mars and debilitated jupiter combining in the 10th house, perfect neecha bhanga. > > Narasimha Rao had his Mars in the 10th house again and Jupiter in the 12th with 12th lord. > > Tell me if you need more and also please tell me which " kalki " avatar are we waiting for to take India forward. > > regards, > > Manoj > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ > > > Thu, February 4, 2010 9:14:46 AM > Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart, > > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > > have read in ancient history. > > > > Utkal Panigrahi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Reading this mail, I was reminded of the story in Panchtantra, which I would write below:- A crow told a Camel, Brother Camel you are so beautiful but this world calls you so ugly. Camel became happy and said, Brother Crow, you sing so well but people only praise Koel. How much true it is in context of today's world is really surprising. What a vision our ancestors had. My Dear Astro Talk, alias Pawan alias ________ alias _______, leaving spaces for you to fill up, then last year should have been bad for India because as per you, the significator of Vedas, Jupiter was in debilitation. Though India showed growth pointers both financially and economically and socially too. India's position has been strengthened and the world is recognising India. Debilitated Jupiter has such a great impact must emerge out of Mr. Utkal's astrology and not astrology of Varaha Mihir. I am neither frustrated nor irritated but am bemused and also sorry for the kind of astrology being promoted by people like him because the young and gullible minds to get corrupted. best wishes, Manoj ________________________________ Astro Talk <astro.talk Fri, February 5, 2010 4:37:34 AM Re: Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo  Dear Mr Manoj,  < Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong PM. >  Mr Panigrahi has said as follows :-  ************ *** The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart ************ ***  Respected Smt Indira was THE ONLY strong PM and she was having Strong Mars due to exchange with Sun and Sun was in 5'th and Ma in 2'nd. 5'th gives power.  Jupiter was also in exchange with Ve so again strog but it was cursed because Ra afflicted both Ve and Ju so she lost her child Sanjay due to Brahman curse and same thing took her life.  Learn some Jyotish !  Ju is karaka of India because it is Karaka of VEDAS, very basic thing of JYOTISH.  Ma makes Ju, Valiant(Shoorveer) .  INSTEAD OF COMMENTING IN FRUSTRATION AND IRRITATION,IT IS BETTER TO WORK ON JYOTISH.  PAWAN --- On Fri, 5/2/10, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > Re: Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo Friday, 5 February, 2010, 10:08 AM  Atal Bihari Vajpayee had his Jupiter in own sign and Mars in the fifth lord, as lagna lord and still we are waiting for a strong PM with Jupiter/Mars. Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong PM. The list may be long. Nehru had Jupiter 9th lord in own sign in the sixth house and Mars in the third house. Rajiv Gandhi had 5th lord Jupiter in lagna and 9th lord Mars in the second house aspecting fifth house. Chandrasekhar had exalted mars and debilitated jupiter combining in the 10th house, perfect neecha bhanga. Narasimha Rao had his Mars in the 10th house again and Jupiter in the 12th with 12th lord. Tell me if you need more and also please tell me which " kalki " avatar are we waiting for to take India forward. regards, Manoj ____________ _________ _________ __ utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ > Thu, February 4, 2010 9:14:46 AM Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart, > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > have read in ancient history. > > Utkal Panigrahi. > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Sir, The problem with allegories is that most human beings being lazy, intellectually and otherwise -- tend to smile, recieve the prasaadam after the pooja and paath is over and then return to their worldly reality. The " Book of Knowledge " gets wrapped back in the red silken WRAP that reminds some of us as the ornamental scabbard (M_yaan?) into which, the shiny and sharp sword must LIE (pun absolutely unintended) -- until rediscovered and brought out again! I have no clue WHO brings it out or beckons it to SHOW UP but I have a sense that it perhaps must have been mentioned in Gita -- for sure! My apologies to all! I have spoken too much already and for too long and shall try my best to remain silent here. Ranjan , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Reading this mail, I was reminded of the story in Panchtantra, which I would write below:- > > A crow told a Camel, Brother Camel you are so beautiful but this world calls you so ugly. Camel became happy and said, Brother Crow, you sing so well but people only praise Koel. > > How much true it is in context of today's world is really surprising. What a vision our ancestors had. My Dear Astro Talk, alias Pawan alias ________ alias _______, leaving spaces for you to fill up, then last year should have been bad for India because as per you, the significator of Vedas, Jupiter was in debilitation. Though India showed growth pointers both financially and economically and socially too. India's position has been strengthened and the world is recognising India. Debilitated Jupiter has such a great impact must emerge out of Mr. Utkal's astrology and not astrology of Varaha Mihir. > > I am neither frustrated nor irritated but am bemused and also sorry for the kind of astrology being promoted by people like him because the young and gullible minds to get corrupted. > > best wishes, > > Manoj > > > > > ________________________________ > Astro Talk <astro.talk > > Fri, February 5, 2010 4:37:34 AM > Re: Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > >  > Dear Mr Manoj, >  > < Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong PM. > >  > Mr Panigrahi has said as follows :- >  > ************ *** > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart > ************ *** >  > Respected Smt Indira was THE ONLY strong PM and she was having Strong Mars due to exchange with Sun and Sun was in 5'th and Ma in 2'nd. 5'th gives power. >  > Jupiter was also in exchange with Ve so again strog but it was cursed because Ra afflicted both Ve and Ju so she lost her child Sanjay due to Brahman curse and same thing took her life. >  > Learn some Jyotish ! >  > Ju is karaka of India because it is Karaka of VEDAS, very basic thing of JYOTISH. >  > Ma makes Ju, Valiant(Shoorveer) . >  > INSTEAD OF COMMENTING IN FRUSTRATION AND IRRITATION,IT IS BETTER TO WORK ON JYOTISH. >  > PAWAN > > --- On Fri, 5/2/10, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: > > Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > > Re: Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > Friday, 5 February, 2010, 10:08 AM > >  > > Atal Bihari Vajpayee had his Jupiter in own sign and Mars in the fifth lord, as lagna lord and still we are waiting for a strong PM with Jupiter/Mars. > > Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong PM. > > The list may be long. Nehru had Jupiter 9th lord in own sign in the sixth house and Mars in the third house. > > Rajiv Gandhi had 5th lord Jupiter in lagna and 9th lord Mars in the second house aspecting fifth house. > > Chandrasekhar had exalted mars and debilitated jupiter combining in the 10th house, perfect neecha bhanga. > > Narasimha Rao had his Mars in the 10th house again and Jupiter in the 12th with 12th lord. > > Tell me if you need more and also please tell me which " kalki " avatar are we waiting for to take India forward. > > regards, > > Manoj > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ > > > Thu, February 4, 2010 9:14:46 AM > Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart, > > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > > have read in ancient history. > > > > Utkal Panigrahi. > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Though in a wrong manner but at least you raised a question, answer is simple, but, that will not be given to you unless you change ur attitude, you can live with camel and crow, read panchtantra and post more such stories. Utkal. , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Reading this mail, I was reminded of the story in Panchtantra, which I would write below:- > > A crow told a Camel, Brother Camel you are so beautiful but this world calls you so ugly. Camel became happy and said, Brother Crow, you sing so well but people only praise Koel. > > How much true it is in context of today's world is really surprising. What a vision our ancestors had. My Dear Astro Talk, alias Pawan alias ________ alias _______, leaving spaces for you to fill up, then last year should have been bad for India because as per you, the significator of Vedas, Jupiter was in debilitation. Though India showed growth pointers both financially and economically and socially too. India's position has been strengthened and the world is recognising India. Debilitated Jupiter has such a great impact must emerge out of Mr. Utkal's astrology and not astrology of Varaha Mihir. > > I am neither frustrated nor irritated but am bemused and also sorry for the kind of astrology being promoted by people like him because the young and gullible minds to get corrupted. > > best wishes, > > Manoj > > > > > ________________________________ > Astro Talk astro.talk > > Fri, February 5, 2010 4:37:34 AM > Re: Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > >  > Dear Mr Manoj, >  > < Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong PM. > >  > Mr Panigrahi has said as follows :- >  > ************ *** > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart > ************ *** >  > Respected Smt Indira was THE ONLY strong PM and she was having Strong Mars due to exchange with Sun and Sun was in 5'th and Ma in 2'nd. 5'th gives power. >  > Jupiter was also in exchange with Ve so again strog but it was cursed because Ra afflicted both Ve and Ju so she lost her child Sanjay due to Brahman curse and same thing took her life. >  > Learn some Jyotish ! >  > Ju is karaka of India because it is Karaka of VEDAS, very basic thing of JYOTISH. >  > Ma makes Ju, Valiant(Shoorveer) . >  > INSTEAD OF COMMENTING IN FRUSTRATION AND IRRITATION,IT IS BETTER TO WORK ON JYOTISH. >  > PAWAN > > --- On Fri, 5/2/10, Manoj Kumar mouji99 > wrote: > > Manoj Kumar mouji99 > > Re: Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > Friday, 5 February, 2010, 10:08 AM > >  > > Atal Bihari Vajpayee had his Jupiter in own sign and Mars in the fifth lord, as lagna lord and still we are waiting for a strong PM with Jupiter/Mars. > > Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong PM. > > The list may be long. Nehru had Jupiter 9th lord in own sign in the sixth house and Mars in the third house. > > Rajiv Gandhi had 5th lord Jupiter in lagna and 9th lord Mars in the second house aspecting fifth house. > > Chandrasekhar had exalted mars and debilitated jupiter combining in the 10th house, perfect neecha bhanga. > > Narasimha Rao had his Mars in the 10th house again and Jupiter in the 12th with 12th lord. > > Tell me if you need more and also please tell me which " kalki " avatar are we waiting for to take India forward. > > regards, > > Manoj > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ > > > Thu, February 4, 2010 9:14:46 AM > Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart, > > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > > have read in ancient history. > > > > Utkal Panigrahi. > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Dear Manoj, You are wasting your time in responding to these mails. Regards, C.S.Ravindramani. On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > > Reading this mail, I was reminded of the story in Panchtantra, which I > would write below:- > > A crow told a Camel, Brother Camel you are so beautiful but this world > calls you so ugly. Camel became happy and said, Brother Crow, you sing so > well but people only praise Koel. > > How much true it is in context of today's world is really surprising. What > a vision our ancestors had. My Dear Astro Talk, alias Pawan alias ________ > alias _______, leaving spaces for you to fill up, then last year should have > been bad for India because as per you, the significator of Vedas, Jupiter > was in debilitation. Though India showed growth pointers both financially > and economically and socially too. India's position has been strengthened > and the world is recognising India. Debilitated Jupiter has such a great > impact must emerge out of Mr. Utkal's astrology and not astrology of Varaha > Mihir. > > I am neither frustrated nor irritated but am bemused and also sorry for the > kind of astrology being promoted by people like him because the young and > gullible minds to get corrupted. > > best wishes, > > Manoj > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Dear Manoj, // Though India showed growth pointers both financially and economically and socially too. India's position has been strengthened and the world is recognising India. Debilitated Jupiter has such a great impact must emerge out of Mr. Utkal's astrology and not astrology of Varaha Mihir. // I said Jupiter is Karaka of VEDAS and VEDAS deals with spiritual power.In VEDAS there is no talk of Economics, Finance and Society. Undestand some point ! Mr Panigrahi talked about the planetary cobination in the chart of Native, he said Indian PM should have strong Ju and Ma...and you are giving example of Mundane things.I am amused at your writtings. Last year when Ra was with Ju, there had been great fight in SriLanka and so many ppl died... In Varah Mihirs time Sri Lanka was also part of Indo region so see how much growth Indo part saw during Ju transits. Ju doesnt deals with your so called 'Economics, Finance and Society'. Pawan , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Reading this mail, I was reminded of the story in Panchtantra, which I would write below:- > > A crow told a Camel, Brother Camel you are so beautiful but this world calls you so ugly. Camel became happy and said, Brother Crow, you sing so well but people only praise Koel. > > How much true it is in context of today's world is really surprising. What a vision our ancestors had. My Dear Astro Talk, alias Pawan alias ________ alias _______, leaving spaces for you to fill up, then last year should have been bad for India because as per you, the significator of Vedas, Jupiter was in debilitation. Though India showed growth pointers both financially and economically and socially too. India's position has been strengthened and the world is recognising India. Debilitated Jupiter has such a great impact must emerge out of Mr. Utkal's astrology and not astrology of Varaha Mihir. > > I am neither frustrated nor irritated but am bemused and also sorry for the kind of astrology being promoted by people like him because the young and gullible minds to get corrupted. > > best wishes, > > Manoj > > > > > ________________________________ > Astro Talk <astro.talk > > Fri, February 5, 2010 4:37:34 AM > Re: Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > >  > Dear Mr Manoj, >  > < Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong PM. > >  > Mr Panigrahi has said as follows :- >  > ************ *** > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart > ************ *** >  > Respected Smt Indira was THE ONLY strong PM and she was having Strong Mars due to exchange with Sun and Sun was in 5'th and Ma in 2'nd. 5'th gives power. >  > Jupiter was also in exchange with Ve so again strog but it was cursed because Ra afflicted both Ve and Ju so she lost her child Sanjay due to Brahman curse and same thing took her life. >  > Learn some Jyotish ! >  > Ju is karaka of India because it is Karaka of VEDAS, very basic thing of JYOTISH. >  > Ma makes Ju, Valiant(Shoorveer) . >  > INSTEAD OF COMMENTING IN FRUSTRATION AND IRRITATION,IT IS BETTER TO WORK ON JYOTISH. >  > PAWAN > > --- On Fri, 5/2/10, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: > > Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > > Re: Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > Friday, 5 February, 2010, 10:08 AM > >  > > Atal Bihari Vajpayee had his Jupiter in own sign and Mars in the fifth lord, as lagna lord and still we are waiting for a strong PM with Jupiter/Mars. > > Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong PM. > > The list may be long. Nehru had Jupiter 9th lord in own sign in the sixth house and Mars in the third house. > > Rajiv Gandhi had 5th lord Jupiter in lagna and 9th lord Mars in the second house aspecting fifth house. > > Chandrasekhar had exalted mars and debilitated jupiter combining in the 10th house, perfect neecha bhanga. > > Narasimha Rao had his Mars in the 10th house again and Jupiter in the 12th with 12th lord. > > Tell me if you need more and also please tell me which " kalki " avatar are we waiting for to take India forward. > > regards, > > Manoj > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ > > > Thu, February 4, 2010 9:14:46 AM > Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart, > > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > > have read in ancient history. > > > > Utkal Panigrahi. > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Let me show you some interesting thing which after this mail, you will always keep remember. // Mr. Pawan, why do you forget Mr. Chandra Shekhar, exalted mars in the 10th house and by far the weakest Prime Minister of India. // In same mail chain you wrote as follows :- //Chandrasekhar had exalted mars and debilitated jupiter combining in the 10th house, perfect neecha bhanga// Do you understand the meaning of Neecha Bhanga properly. If in cancer Ju does Neecha Bhanga of Ma.And Ma does Neecha Bhanga of Ju in capricorn. Are those things are same ?? In Sri Aurbindos case Ju was doing neecha bhanga of Ma in Cancer in Lagna and he was spiritual leader after getting punishment for some angerness. Sachin Tendulker is having neecha Bhanga in Capricorn. Can he become Aurbindo or learned scholar, he will remain player and will remain related to it. When Neecha Bhanga happens, debilibated planet's status doesnt get elevated.So Ju remained debilitated in his chart. So chandra Shekar was having Bad Jupiter so he was not able to show his calibre like Indira Gandhi. Hope it is clear now. // Please tell your Master to atleast teach some astrology to novices like me who like to interpret atleast combinations and do not reel out predictions by making a newspaper forecast. // He is Master, so dont waste his time in so silly things. // Now my dear friend, give astroogical reasoning than hiding behind ignorance or calling others ignorant. // I think, it is good learning for you from above reasoning. Pawan , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Wonderful. Wonderful. Now this gets interesting. The gentleman is still waiting for a strong P.M. to come to take India forward when so many Prime Ministers, including Indira Gandhi, and Mr. Pawan, why do you forget Mr. Chandra Shekhar, exalted mars in the 10th house and by far the weakest Prime Minister of India. > > Please tell your Master to atleast teach some astrology to novices like me who like to interpret atleast combinations and do not reel out predictions by making a newspaper forecast. Every Indian knows that a Commission established now would take atleast 3-4 years to start functioning so no need to make intelligent guesses on the basis of movement of Jupiter. > > Now my dear friend, give astroogical reasoning than hiding behind ignorance or calling others ignorant. > > best wishes (and I dont prescribe any mantra for anyone) > > Manoj > > > > > ________________________________ > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi > > Fri, February 5, 2010 12:54:58 PM > Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > > > Dear Pawan, > > Let's leave this guy alone, he tries to know about a nativity by > understanding a combination in a chart in isolation. > > Let him be able to integrate things, after that he we can see some > improvements. > > regards, > Utkal. > > , Astro Talk <astro.talk@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Mr Manoj, > >  > > < Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and > Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong > PM. > > >  > > Mr Panigrahi has said as follows :- > >  > > ************ *** > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart > > ************ *** > >  > > Respected Smt Indira was THE ONLY strong PM and she was having Strong > Mars due to exchange with Sun and Sun was in 5'th and Ma in 2'nd. 5'th > gives power. > >  > > Jupiter was also in exchange with Ve so again strog but it was > cursed because Ra afflicted both Ve and Ju so she lost her child Sanjay > due to Brahman curse and same thing took her life. > >  > > Learn some Jyotish ! > >  > > Ju is karaka of India because it is Karaka of VEDAS, very basic thing > of JYOTISH. > >  > > Ma makes Ju, Valiant(Shoorveer) . > >  > > INSTEAD OF COMMENTING IN FRUSTRATION AND IRRITATION,IT IS BETTER > TO WORK ON JYOTISH. > >  > > PAWAN > > > > --- On Fri, 5/2/10, Manoj Kumar mouji99@ wrote: > > > > > > Manoj Kumar mouji99@ > > Re: Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > > > Friday, 5 February, 2010, 10:08 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Atal Bihari Vajpayee had his Jupiter in own sign and Mars in the fifth > lord, as lagna lord and still we are waiting for a strong PM with > Jupiter/Mars. > > > > Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and > Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong PM. > > > > The list may be long. Nehru had Jupiter 9th lord in own sign in the > sixth house and Mars in the third house. > > > > Rajiv Gandhi had 5th lord Jupiter in lagna and 9th lord Mars in the > second house aspecting fifth house. > > > > Chandrasekhar had exalted mars and debilitated jupiter combining in > the 10th house, perfect neecha bhanga. > > > > Narasimha Rao had his Mars in the 10th house again and Jupiter in the > 12th with 12th lord. > > > > Tell me if you need more and also please tell me which " kalki " avatar > are we waiting for to take India forward. > > > > regards, > > > > Manoj > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > Thu, February 4, 2010 9:14:46 AM > > Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in > chart, > > > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > > > have read in ancient history. > > > > > > Utkal Panigrahi. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 That was you dear. Astro Talk and You. Because you said, Lets Ignore. Manoj ________________________________ utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi Fri, February 5, 2010 9:37:21 PM Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo  Though in a wrong manner but at least you raised a question, answer is simple, but, that will not be given to you unless you change ur attitude, you can live with camel and crow, read panchtantra and post more such stories. Utkal. , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: > > Reading this mail, I was reminded of the story in Panchtantra, which I would write below:- > > A crow told a Camel, Brother Camel you are so beautiful but this world calls you so ugly. Camel became happy and said, Brother Crow, you sing so well but people only praise Koel. > > How much true it is in context of today's world is really surprising. What a vision our ancestors had. My Dear Astro Talk, alias Pawan alias ________ alias _______, leaving spaces for you to fill up, then last year should have been bad for India because as per you, the significator of Vedas, Jupiter was in debilitation. Though India showed growth pointers both financially and economically and socially too. India's position has been strengthened and the world is recognising India. Debilitated Jupiter has such a great impact must emerge out of Mr. Utkal's astrology and not astrology of Varaha Mihir. > > I am neither frustrated nor irritated but am bemused and also sorry for the kind of astrology being promoted by people like him because the young and gullible minds to get corrupted. > > best wishes, > > Manoj > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Astro Talk astro.talk@. .. > > Fri, February 5, 2010 4:37:34 AM > Re: Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > >  > Dear Mr Manoj, >  > < Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong PM. > >  > Mr Panigrahi has said as follows :- >  > ************ *** > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart > ************ *** >  > Respected Smt Indira was THE ONLY strong PM and she was having Strong Mars due to exchange with Sun and Sun was in 5'th and Ma in 2'nd. 5'th gives power. >  > Jupiter was also in exchange with Ve so again strog but it was cursed because Ra afflicted both Ve and Ju so she lost her child Sanjay due to Brahman curse and same thing took her life. >  > Learn some Jyotish ! >  > Ju is karaka of India because it is Karaka of VEDAS, very basic thing of JYOTISH. >  > Ma makes Ju, Valiant(Shoorveer) . >  > INSTEAD OF COMMENTING IN FRUSTRATION AND IRRITATION,IT IS BETTER TO WORK ON JYOTISH. >  > PAWAN > > --- On Fri, 5/2/10, Manoj Kumar mouji99 > wrote: > > Manoj Kumar mouji99 > > Re: Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > Friday, 5 February, 2010, 10:08 AM > >  > > Atal Bihari Vajpayee had his Jupiter in own sign and Mars in the fifth lord, as lagna lord and still we are waiting for a strong PM with Jupiter/Mars. > > Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong PM. > > The list may be long. Nehru had Jupiter 9th lord in own sign in the sixth house and Mars in the third house. > > Rajiv Gandhi had 5th lord Jupiter in lagna and 9th lord Mars in the second house aspecting fifth house. > > Chandrasekhar had exalted mars and debilitated jupiter combining in the 10th house, perfect neecha bhanga. > > Narasimha Rao had his Mars in the 10th house again and Jupiter in the 12th with 12th lord. > > Tell me if you need more and also please tell me which " kalki " avatar are we waiting for to take India forward. > > regards, > > Manoj > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ > > > Thu, February 4, 2010 9:14:46 AM > Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart, > > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > > have read in ancient history. > > > > Utkal Panigrahi. > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Did Mr. Utkal Panigrahi predict that loss of life in Sri Lanka with REASONS. Manoj ________________________________ astro.talk <astro.talk Sat, February 6, 2010 2:03:31 PM Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo  Dear Manoj, // Though India showed growth pointers both financially and economically and socially too. India's position has been strengthened and the world is recognising India. Debilitated Jupiter has such a great impact must emerge out of Mr. Utkal's astrology and not astrology of Varaha Mihir. // I said Jupiter is Karaka of VEDAS and VEDAS deals with spiritual power.In VEDAS there is no talk of Economics, Finance and Society. Undestand some point ! Mr Panigrahi talked about the planetary cobination in the chart of Native, he said Indian PM should have strong Ju and Ma...and you are giving example of Mundane things.I am amused at your writtings. Last year when Ra was with Ju, there had been great fight in SriLanka and so many ppl died... In Varah Mihirs time Sri Lanka was also part of Indo region so see how much growth Indo part saw during Ju transits. Ju doesnt deals with your so called 'Economics, Finance and Society'. Pawan , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: > > Reading this mail, I was reminded of the story in Panchtantra, which I would write below:- > > A crow told a Camel, Brother Camel you are so beautiful but this world calls you so ugly. Camel became happy and said, Brother Crow, you sing so well but people only praise Koel. > > How much true it is in context of today's world is really surprising. What a vision our ancestors had. My Dear Astro Talk, alias Pawan alias ________ alias _______, leaving spaces for you to fill up, then last year should have been bad for India because as per you, the significator of Vedas, Jupiter was in debilitation. Though India showed growth pointers both financially and economically and socially too. India's position has been strengthened and the world is recognising India. Debilitated Jupiter has such a great impact must emerge out of Mr. Utkal's astrology and not astrology of Varaha Mihir. > > I am neither frustrated nor irritated but am bemused and also sorry for the kind of astrology being promoted by people like him because the young and gullible minds to get corrupted. > > best wishes, > > Manoj > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Astro Talk <astro.talk@ ...> > > Fri, February 5, 2010 4:37:34 AM > Re: Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > >  > Dear Mr Manoj, >  > < Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong PM. > >  > Mr Panigrahi has said as follows :- >  > ************ *** > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart > ************ *** >  > Respected Smt Indira was THE ONLY strong PM and she was having Strong Mars due to exchange with Sun and Sun was in 5'th and Ma in 2'nd. 5'th gives power. >  > Jupiter was also in exchange with Ve so again strog but it was cursed because Ra afflicted both Ve and Ju so she lost her child Sanjay due to Brahman curse and same thing took her life. >  > Learn some Jyotish ! >  > Ju is karaka of India because it is Karaka of VEDAS, very basic thing of JYOTISH. >  > Ma makes Ju, Valiant(Shoorveer) . >  > INSTEAD OF COMMENTING IN FRUSTRATION AND IRRITATION,IT IS BETTER TO WORK ON JYOTISH. >  > PAWAN > > --- On Fri, 5/2/10, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: > > Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > > Re: Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > Friday, 5 February, 2010, 10:08 AM > >  > > Atal Bihari Vajpayee had his Jupiter in own sign and Mars in the fifth lord, as lagna lord and still we are waiting for a strong PM with Jupiter/Mars. > > Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong PM. > > The list may be long. Nehru had Jupiter 9th lord in own sign in the sixth house and Mars in the third house. > > Rajiv Gandhi had 5th lord Jupiter in lagna and 9th lord Mars in the second house aspecting fifth house. > > Chandrasekhar had exalted mars and debilitated jupiter combining in the 10th house, perfect neecha bhanga. > > Narasimha Rao had his Mars in the 10th house again and Jupiter in the 12th with 12th lord. > > Tell me if you need more and also please tell me which " kalki " avatar are we waiting for to take India forward. > > regards, > > Manoj > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ > > > Thu, February 4, 2010 9:14:46 AM > Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart, > > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > > have read in ancient history. > > > > Utkal Panigrahi. > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 No it is not. We are talking of politicians and not sportspersons like Sachin or revered Aurobindo. They are not Indian Leaders. And a Prime Minister with exalted Mars in the 10th proves to be the weakest Indian Prime Minister, what theory are you and your Master advocating Mr. PP. Though I have been advised to save time, and not waste it on mortels like you but still I feel that it is my moral duty, as a " not worthy " student of astrology " as per your master of learning of three years " and " who could not have read all the books that he listed in his long list in a life time " " even if read, could never have understood it " to save gullible people falling in traps of people like you. Manoj ________________________________ astro.talk <astro.talk Sat, February 6, 2010 2:15:00 PM Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo  Let me show you some interesting thing which after this mail, you will always keep remember. // Mr. Pawan, why do you forget Mr. Chandra Shekhar, exalted mars in the 10th house and by far the weakest Prime Minister of India. // In same mail chain you wrote as follows :- //Chandrasekhar had exalted mars and debilitated jupiter combining in the 10th house, perfect neecha bhanga// Do you understand the meaning of Neecha Bhanga properly. If in cancer Ju does Neecha Bhanga of Ma.And Ma does Neecha Bhanga of Ju in capricorn. Are those things are same ?? In Sri Aurbindos case Ju was doing neecha bhanga of Ma in Cancer in Lagna and he was spiritual leader after getting punishment for some angerness. Sachin Tendulker is having neecha Bhanga in Capricorn. Can he become Aurbindo or learned scholar, he will remain player and will remain related to it. When Neecha Bhanga happens, debilibated planet's status doesnt get elevated.So Ju remained debilitated in his chart. So chandra Shekar was having Bad Jupiter so he was not able to show his calibre like Indira Gandhi. Hope it is clear now. // Please tell your Master to atleast teach some astrology to novices like me who like to interpret atleast combinations and do not reel out predictions by making a newspaper forecast. // He is Master, so dont waste his time in so silly things. // Now my dear friend, give astroogical reasoning than hiding behind ignorance or calling others ignorant. // I think, it is good learning for you from above reasoning. Pawan , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: > > Wonderful. Wonderful. Now this gets interesting. The gentleman is still waiting for a strong P.M. to come to take India forward when so many Prime Ministers, including Indira Gandhi, and Mr. Pawan, why do you forget Mr. Chandra Shekhar, exalted mars in the 10th house and by far the weakest Prime Minister of India. > > Please tell your Master to atleast teach some astrology to novices like me who like to interpret atleast combinations and do not reel out predictions by making a newspaper forecast. Every Indian knows that a Commission established now would take atleast 3-4 years to start functioning so no need to make intelligent guesses on the basis of movement of Jupiter. > > Now my dear friend, give astroogical reasoning than hiding behind ignorance or calling others ignorant. > > best wishes (and I dont prescribe any mantra for anyone) > > Manoj > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > > Fri, February 5, 2010 12:54:58 PM > Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > >  > > Dear Pawan, > > Let's leave this guy alone, he tries to know about a nativity by > understanding a combination in a chart in isolation. > > Let him be able to integrate things, after that he we can see some > improvements. > > regards, > Utkal. > > , Astro Talk <astro.talk@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Mr Manoj, > >  > > < Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and > Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong > PM. > > >  > > Mr Panigrahi has said as follows :- > >  > > ************ *** > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart > > ************ *** > >  > > Respected Smt Indira was THE ONLY strong PM and she was having Strong > Mars due to exchange with Sun and Sun was in 5'th and Ma in 2'nd. 5'th > gives power. > >  > > Jupiter was also in exchange with Ve so again strog but it was > cursed because Ra afflicted both Ve and Ju so she lost her child Sanjay > due to Brahman curse and same thing took her life. > >  > > Learn some Jyotish ! > >  > > Ju is karaka of India because it is Karaka of VEDAS, very basic thing > of JYOTISH. > >  > > Ma makes Ju, Valiant(Shoorveer) . > >  > > INSTEAD OF COMMENTING IN FRUSTRATION AND IRRITATION,IT IS BETTER > TO WORK ON JYOTISH. > >  > > PAWAN > > > > --- On Fri, 5/2/10, Manoj Kumar mouji99@ wrote: > > > > > > Manoj Kumar mouji99@ > > Re: Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > > > Friday, 5 February, 2010, 10:08 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Atal Bihari Vajpayee had his Jupiter in own sign and Mars in the fifth > lord, as lagna lord and still we are waiting for a strong PM with > Jupiter/Mars. > > > > Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and > Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong PM. > > > > The list may be long. Nehru had Jupiter 9th lord in own sign in the > sixth house and Mars in the third house. > > > > Rajiv Gandhi had 5th lord Jupiter in lagna and 9th lord Mars in the > second house aspecting fifth house. > > > > Chandrasekhar had exalted mars and debilitated jupiter combining in > the 10th house, perfect neecha bhanga. > > > > Narasimha Rao had his Mars in the 10th house again and Jupiter in the > 12th with 12th lord. > > > > Tell me if you need more and also please tell me which " kalki " avatar > are we waiting for to take India forward. > > > > regards, > > > > Manoj > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > Thu, February 4, 2010 9:14:46 AM > > Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in > chart, > > > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > > > have read in ancient history. > > > > > > Utkal Panigrahi. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 // No it is not. We are talking of politicians and not sportspersons like Sachin or revered Aurobindo. // You wrote word 'revered' before name of Aurbindo Ghosh that is what the Neecha Bhanga by Ju in Cancer for Ma meant for. So Ma was not elevated by Ju so because of angerness he got the punishment. Lord Rama was not only revered but also king and who hunted down one Rascal Brahmin for which he did remorse. According to Jyotishis he was having exalted Ju and exalted Ma apart of other things(I dont claim about the autheticity of his birth details) When a politician would be having strong Ju and Ma, now you can get the point. // Leaders. And a Prime Minister with exalted Mars in the 10th proves to be the weakest Indian Prime Minister, what theory are you and your Master advocating Mr. PP. // I am Pawan Maurya (PM) not Mr. PP. Above lines shows that you have no great command over astrology. Kindly dont mind as ppl dont know about this point. Whenever anybody sees Neecha Bhanga in 10'th or when one sees Planet exalted in 10'th says that Person will show his calibre at work place but classics dont support. All Neecha Bhanga are not Raja Yogas instead some of them(Not all) use to be RAJA BHANGA YOGA. Basically in 10'th house,if Rashi is capricorn and there is neecha bhanga by Ma for Ju then it is RAJA-BHANGA Yoga, instead of Raja-Yoga. The person with above combination use to run everywhere just to expose his own shortcomings. Understand the point ! Kindly refer to following slokas from classics - Jatak Parijata - Chapter 14 Sloka 59 If the lord of the lagna identical with the lord of the 8'th bhava be strong and occupy a Kendra or Trikona position, the person born will suffer from disease or be exposed to Public Censure during the dasa of the planet if any, associated with the lord aforesaid of the Lagna and the 8'th bhava.If the lords of the Lagna and the 8'th Bhava occupy a Kendra or Trikona in conjunction with another planet, the person will surely have his demise during the dasa of the planet if any occupying the 8'th bhava. BPHS - Chapter 25 Sloka 11 If the 12'th lord is together with malefic planet,the 12'th house is occupied by malefics and these are aspected by malefics, the native wanders from country to country. (But instead of above point Jupiter is irritaed being debilitated in bad Rashi means great problem for 12'th house) // Though I have been advised to save time, and not waste it on mortels like you but still I feel that it is my moral duty, // Yes kindly do so, and read things in depth instead of making comments.When you will get depth, you will stop writting mail in against to correct ppl who follow slokas from classics. Pawan Maurya , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > No it is not. We are talking of politicians and not sportspersons like Sachin or revered Aurobindo. They are not Indian Leaders. And a Prime Minister with exalted Mars in the 10th proves to be the weakest Indian Prime Minister, what theory are you and your Master advocating Mr. PP. Though I have been advised to save time, and not waste it on mortels like you but still I feel that it is my moral duty, as a " not worthy " student of astrology " as per your master of learning of three years " and " who could not have read all the books that he listed in his long list in a life time " " even if read, could never have understood it " to save gullible people falling in traps of people like you. > > Manoj > > > > > ________________________________ > astro.talk <astro.talk > > Sat, February 6, 2010 2:15:00 PM > Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > >  > Let me show you some interesting thing which after this mail, you will always keep remember. > > // Mr. Pawan, why do you forget Mr. Chandra Shekhar, > exalted mars in the 10th house and by far the weakest Prime Minister of India. // > > In same mail chain you wrote as follows :- > > //Chandrasekhar had exalted mars and debilitated jupiter combining in > the 10th house, perfect neecha bhanga// > > Do you understand the meaning of Neecha Bhanga properly. > > If in cancer Ju does Neecha Bhanga of Ma.And Ma does Neecha Bhanga of Ju in capricorn. Are those things are same ?? > > In Sri Aurbindos case Ju was doing neecha bhanga of Ma in Cancer in Lagna and he was spiritual leader after getting punishment for some angerness. > > Sachin Tendulker is having neecha Bhanga in Capricorn. Can he become Aurbindo or learned scholar, he will remain player and will remain related to it. > > When Neecha Bhanga happens, debilibated planet's status doesnt get elevated.So Ju remained debilitated in his chart. > > So chandra Shekar was having Bad Jupiter so he was not able to show his calibre like Indira Gandhi. Hope it is clear now. > > // Please tell your Master to atleast teach some astrology to novices like me who like to interpret atleast combinations and do not reel out predictions by making a newspaper forecast. // > > He is Master, so dont waste his time in so silly things. > > // Now my dear friend, give astroogical reasoning than hiding behind ignorance or calling others ignorant. // > > I think, it is good learning for you from above reasoning. > > Pawan > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > Wonderful. Wonderful. Now this gets interesting. The gentleman is still waiting for a strong P.M. to come to take India forward when so many Prime Ministers, including Indira Gandhi, and Mr. Pawan, why do you forget Mr. Chandra Shekhar, exalted mars in the 10th house and by far the weakest Prime Minister of India. > > > > Please tell your Master to atleast teach some astrology to novices like me who like to interpret atleast combinations and do not reel out predictions by making a newspaper forecast. Every Indian knows that a Commission established now would take atleast 3-4 years to start functioning so no need to make intelligent guesses on the basis of movement of Jupiter. > > > > Now my dear friend, give astroogical reasoning than hiding behind ignorance or calling others ignorant. > > > > best wishes (and I dont prescribe any mantra for anyone) > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > > > > Fri, February 5, 2010 12:54:58 PM > > Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > > >  > > > > Dear Pawan, > > > > Let's leave this guy alone, he tries to know about a nativity by > > understanding a combination in a chart in isolation. > > > > Let him be able to integrate things, after that he we can see some > > improvements. > > > > regards, > > Utkal. > > > > , Astro Talk <astro.talk@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr Manoj, > > >  > > > < Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and > > Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong > > PM. > > > >  > > > Mr Panigrahi has said as follows :- > > >  > > > ************ *** > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart > > > ************ *** > > >  > > > Respected Smt Indira was THE ONLY strong PM and she was having Strong > > Mars due to exchange with Sun and Sun was in 5'th and Ma in 2'nd. 5'th > > gives power. > > >  > > > Jupiter was also in exchange with Ve so again strog but it was > > cursed because Ra afflicted both Ve and Ju so she lost her child Sanjay > > due to Brahman curse and same thing took her life. > > >  > > > Learn some Jyotish ! > > >  > > > Ju is karaka of India because it is Karaka of VEDAS, very basic thing > > of JYOTISH. > > >  > > > Ma makes Ju, Valiant(Shoorveer) . > > >  > > > INSTEAD OF COMMENTING IN FRUSTRATION AND IRRITATION,IT IS BETTER > > TO WORK ON JYOTISH. > > >  > > > PAWAN > > > > > > --- On Fri, 5/2/10, Manoj Kumar mouji99@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Manoj Kumar mouji99@ > > > Re: Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > > > > > Friday, 5 February, 2010, 10:08 AM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Atal Bihari Vajpayee had his Jupiter in own sign and Mars in the fifth > > lord, as lagna lord and still we are waiting for a strong PM with > > Jupiter/Mars. > > > > > > Indira Gandhi had Mars in second house aspecting fifth house and > > Jupiter 9th lord in the 11th and still we are waiting for a strong PM. > > > > > > The list may be long. Nehru had Jupiter 9th lord in own sign in the > > sixth house and Mars in the third house. > > > > > > Rajiv Gandhi had 5th lord Jupiter in lagna and 9th lord Mars in the > > second house aspecting fifth house. > > > > > > Chandrasekhar had exalted mars and debilitated jupiter combining in > > the 10th house, perfect neecha bhanga. > > > > > > Narasimha Rao had his Mars in the 10th house again and Jupiter in the > > 12th with 12th lord. > > > > > > Tell me if you need more and also please tell me which " kalki " avatar > > are we waiting for to take India forward. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > > > Thu, February 4, 2010 9:14:46 AM > > > Re: Andhra Troubles & Saturn on Virgo > > > > > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in > > chart, > > > > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > > > > have read in ancient history. > > > > > > > > Utkal Panigrahi. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Basically in 10'th house,if Rashi is capricorn and there is neecha bhanga by Ma for Ju then it is RAJA-BHANGA Yoga, instead of Raja-Yoga. I never used the term " Raja-Yoga " . I had only said, Neecha Bhanga. Now who is exposing himself. The person with above combination use to run everywhere just to expose his own shortcomings. Understand the point ! Point clearly understood as pointed out above. Kindly refer to following slokas from classics - Jatak Parijata - Chapter 14 Sloka 59 If the lord of the lagna identical with the lord of the 8'th bhava be strong and occupy a Kendra or Trikona position, the person born will suffer from disease or be exposed to Public Censure during the dasa of the planet if any, associated with the lord aforesaid of the Lagna and the 8'th bhava.If the lords of the Lagna and the 8'th Bhava occupy a Kendra or Trikona in conjunction with another planet, the person will surely have his demise during the dasa of the planet if any occupying the 8'th bhava. How the above Shloka is connected with the instant discussion. Please highlight. Now please refer to chart of Mahatma Gandhi. Born in Tula Lagna, Vrishabha becomes 8th house. Venus is in Lagna. So Kendra and Trikona position also fulfilled. He did not suffer any disease and nor did he die during dasha of Venus, or Saturn (aspecting 8th house). So start understanding before quoting anything. Even the second part of the shloka is fulfilled as Venus is in Lagna and conjoins another planet too. BPHS - Chapter 25 Sloka 11 If the 12'th lord is together with malefic planet,the 12'th house is occupied by malefics and these are aspected by malefics, the native wanders from country to country. Another example I am giving here. Former Chief Minister of a State. Saggitarius Lagna. Saturn and Mars in the sixth house aspecting 12th house. As part of his duties he may have visited abroad but not in the sense " the native wanders from country to country " . Believe me, I can be quote hundreds of examples and the theory being advocated by " knowledgeables " like you would get punctured. So, now, I believe, someone here does need to understand. Yes kindly do so, and read things in depth instead of making comments.When you will get depth, you will stop writting mail in against to correct ppl who follow slokas from classics. Pawan Maurya Yes, now, in light of the above two charts and in light of the fact that you are indeed a knowledgeable person, we would appreciate if you are able to explain the shlokas quoted by you and their failure in the above two cases when there can be many more failures when the sample size would be increased. Dont simply prophesize as ancestor of Maharishi Parashara. Make we ordinary students of astrology understand the whole gamut of astrology. Manoj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Dear Mouji, I cant play with you in this way, Kindly write your reply on same mail chain which was running in between us. And, Kindly write your reply with color change so that i could get the point what is your point. I will appreciate for your extra efforts. Pawan Maurya , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Basically in 10'th house,if Rashi is capricorn and there is neecha bhanga by Ma for Ju then it is RAJA-BHANGA Yoga, instead of Raja-Yoga. > > I never used the term " Raja-Yoga " . I had only said, Neecha Bhanga. Now who is exposing himself. > > The person with above combination use to run everywhere just to expose his own shortcomings. > > Understand the point ! > > Point clearly understood as pointed out above. > > Kindly refer to following slokas from classics - > > Jatak Parijata - Chapter 14 Sloka 59 > > If the lord of the lagna identical with the lord of the 8'th bhava be strong and occupy a Kendra or Trikona position, the person > born will suffer from disease or be exposed to Public Censure during the dasa of the planet if any, associated with the lord aforesaid > of the Lagna and the 8'th bhava.If the lords of the Lagna and the 8'th Bhava occupy a Kendra or Trikona in conjunction with another planet, > the person will surely have his demise during the dasa of the planet if any occupying the 8'th bhava. > > How the above Shloka is connected with the instant discussion. Please highlight. Now please refer to chart of Mahatma Gandhi. Born in Tula Lagna, Vrishabha becomes 8th house. Venus is in Lagna. So Kendra and Trikona position also fulfilled. He did not suffer any disease and nor did he die during dasha of Venus, or Saturn (aspecting 8th house). So start understanding before quoting anything. Even the second part of the shloka is fulfilled as Venus is in Lagna and conjoins another planet too. > > BPHS - Chapter 25 Sloka 11 > > If the 12'th lord is together with malefic planet,the 12'th house is occupied by malefics and these are aspected by malefics, the native wanders from country to country. > > Another example I am giving here. Former Chief Minister of a State. Saggitarius Lagna. Saturn and Mars in the sixth house aspecting 12th house. As part of his duties he may have visited abroad but not in the sense " the native wanders from country to country " . Believe me, I can be quote hundreds of examples and the theory being advocated by " knowledgeables " like you would get punctured. So, now, I believe, someone here does need to understand. > > Yes kindly do so, and read things in depth instead of making comments.When you will get depth, you will stop writting mail in against to correct ppl who follow slokas from classics. > > Pawan Maurya > > Yes, now, in light of the above two charts and in light of the fact that you are indeed a knowledgeable person, we would appreciate if you are able to explain the shlokas quoted by you and their failure in the above two cases when there can be many more failures when the sample size would be increased. Dont simply prophesize as ancestor of Maharishi Parashara. Make we ordinary students of astrology understand the whole gamut of astrology. > > Manoj > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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