Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

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Important duties of an Astrologer

For marriage match of birth charts.

 

I bring the following to knowledge of all who prefer ‘Marriage Match

analysis’ of birth charts for se4lcting the spouse for marriage of your child.

 

THE FIRST AND FOREMOST DUTY OF AN ASTROLOGER IS TO VERIFY THE INDIVIDUAL MERITS

OF HOROSCOPES

 

1. Date of birth, time of birth, and Place of birth has to be verified.

2. The horoscopes are to be checked for correctness in casting them.

3. The Ayanamsa (Lahari, Chitra Paksha or any other) must be same in charts.

4. Individual study of charts is to be listed, related to married life.

 

Matching horoscopes  - three major parts.

 

1. General agreements – ‘Poruthams’;

2. Evaluating Papasamyams;

3. Determination of ‘Desha Sandies’.

 

It is of utmost importance that Astrologers should fully – fully – satisfy

themselves that the Longevity, Kalathra Bhava and Puthra Bhava are strong in the

Male Chart.

 

They also should fully convince that in girl’s birth chart, that her

Longevity, Mangalya Bhava and Puthra Bhava are also equally strong.

 

Then they should check the ‘Desa (10) Vida Poruthams’ as per set rules.

Then they should evaluate Dosha Samyam or Papa Samyam in both the selected

horoscopes.

 

Desha Sandhi is a very important factor in matching the horoscopes, as the to

Deshas running parallel to both the charts, will not compensate the deficiencies

in any one of them during such Desha periods, while exceptions are not studied

properly as per authors of many Astrology Dictums.

 

Please Note: It is important : If Astrologers feel that there is no strength for

the ‘Kalathra Bhava’ in the male horoscope, it should only be matched with a

girl’s horoscope where there is good longevity and health.

 

Similarly, if Mangalya Bhava in a girl’s horoscope is weak, it should only be

matched with a male horoscope, where there is good longevity.

 

Before matching Horoscopes, Strength and the remaining Bhavas in each chart

should correctly assessed before matching the horoscopes.

 

 

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL.

 

A.V.  Pathi (25th December 2009), UK.

 

 

 

 

 

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Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a

large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are

failing!

 

As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all

have been receiving?

 

There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the archaical

methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to other

'sectors' where they work so well.

 

Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality have

changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too!

 

I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the

YEAR!

 

Rohiniranjan

[Guest guest]

Dear Rohini Ji,

 

There have been many failed " arranged " and " non-arranged " marriages in my

extended family and hence I asked the obvious question to my family's

astrologer (who is 90 and does not practice any more). His answer was

interesting.

 

He said " Matching horoscopes matches individuals with similar marital destinies.

It does not change their destinies. So when there are two people with terrible

marital karma, why not bring them together to work it out. Why spoil some body

else's Life by letting one of them marry another person with Good marital

Karma? "

 

Maybe a bit spicy, but still food for thought?

 

Regards,

 -Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

 

Fri, December 25, 2009 3:53:43 AM

Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

 

 

Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a

large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are

failing!

 

As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all

have been receiving?

 

There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the archaical

methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to other

'sectors' where they work so well.

 

Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality have

changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too!

 

I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the

YEAR!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Fortunately/unfortunately, astrologers are not empowered to fix anyone's karma

:-)

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

________________________________

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

 

Fri, 25 December, 2009 4:23:43 PM

Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

 

 

Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a

large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are

failing!

 

As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all

have been receiving?

 

There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the archaical

methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to other

'sectors' where they work so well.

 

Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality have

changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too!

 

I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the

YEAR!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

 

 

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

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Krishha_jee

 

Astrologers are neither supposed to do that nor expected to do so!

 

It is the second 'phrase' where influential clients such as Maharajas and Kings

who *supported* astrology for hundreds of years and began to " SHAPE " what

astrology must do!

 

The *TREND* is seen still!

 

Should it be encouraged, let alone endorsed?

 

Those ARE the questions!

 

Rohiniranjan

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

wrote:

>

> Fortunately/unfortunately, astrologers are not empowered to fix anyone's karma

:-)

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

>

> Fri, 25 December, 2009 4:23:43 PM

> Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

>

>

> Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a

large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are

failing!

>

> As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all

have been receiving?

>

> There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the

archaical methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to

other 'sectors' where they work so well.

>

> Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality

have changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too!

>

> I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the

YEAR!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

>

>

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in./

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear RR ji,

 

You have raised valid questions. Please do share your opinion.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

________________________________

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

 

Fri, 25 December, 2009 5:08:45 PM

Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

 

 

Krishha_jee

 

Astrologers are neither supposed to do that nor expected to do so!

 

It is the second 'phrase' where influential clients such as Maharajas and Kings

who *supported* astrology for hundreds of years and began to " SHAPE " what

astrology must do!

 

The *TREND* is seen still!

 

Should it be encouraged, let alone endorsed?

 

Those ARE the questions!

 

Rohiniranjan

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@

....> wrote:

>

> Fortunately/ unfortunately, astrologers are not empowered to fix anyone's

karma :-)

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

>

> Fri, 25 December, 2009 4:23:43 PM

> Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

>

>

> Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a

large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are

failing!

>

> As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all

have been receiving?

>

> There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the

archaical methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to

other 'sectors' where they work so well.

>

> Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality

have changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too!

>

> I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the

YEAR!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

>

>

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

>

>

[Guest guest]

I personally think that astrology has always been influenced by or skewed by (if

you will!) by the prevailing social forces, needs, and who was in power and

using astrology for what.

 

Astrology itself is neutral and amoral (not IMMORAL!) like water which will fit

in wherever you keep it: cup, glass, the cupped palm of one's hand.

 

When kings and emperors prevailed and 'controlled' astrology there was more

emphasis on rajyogas, dhanyogas, how the crops will be, will there be wars and

victory or defeat, etc

 

When Hitler controlled astrology, the emphasis and point of attention on

astrology was for espionage and previsioning enemy strategy and moves etc.

 

When many psychologists and similar backgrounds were attracted to astrology, the

terminology and understanding and interpretation of the very same symbols took

up a psychological focus with the language changing accordingly.

 

Currently for most individuals relationships and occupation are two foremost

concerns and secondarily children related concerns and spiritual intelligence

(if I may coin this term).

 

RR_,

 

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

wrote:

>

> Dear RR ji,

>

> You have raised valid questions. Please do share your opinion.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

>

> Fri, 25 December, 2009 5:08:45 PM

> Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

>

>

> Krishha_jee

>

> Astrologers are neither supposed to do that nor expected to do so!

>

> It is the second 'phrase' where influential clients such as Maharajas and

Kings who *supported* astrology for hundreds of years and began to " SHAPE " what

astrology must do!

>

> The *TREND* is seen still!

>

> Should it be encouraged, let alone endorsed?

>

> Those ARE the questions!

>

> Rohiniranjan

> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Fortunately/ unfortunately, astrologers are not empowered to fix anyone's

karma :-)

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> >

> > Fri, 25 December, 2009 4:23:43 PM

> > Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

> >

> >

> > Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because

a large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers

are failing!

> >

> > As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we

all have been receiving?

> >

> > There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the

archaical methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to

other 'sectors' where they work so well.

> >

> > Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality

have changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too!

> >

> > I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also

the YEAR!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Manoj ji,

 

" Why spoil some body else's Life by letting one of them marry another person

with Good marital Karma? "

 

This never happens.

 

Regards.

 

 

A.V.Pathi,  

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj

 

Fri, December 25, 2009 11:17:30 AM

Re: Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

 

 

Dear Rohini Ji,

 

There have been many failed " arranged " and " non-arranged " marriages in my

extended family and hence I asked the obvious question to my family's

astrologer (who is 90 and does not practice any more). His answer was

interesting.

 

He said " Matching horoscopes matches individuals with similar marital destinies.

It does not change their destinies. So when there are two people with terrible

marital karma, why not bring them together to work it out. Why spoil some body

else's Life by letting one of them marry another person with Good marital

Karma? "

 

Maybe a bit spicy, but still food for thought?

 

Regards,

 -Manoj

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

Fri, December 25, 2009 3:53:43 AM

Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

 

 

Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a

large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are

failing!

 

As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all

have been receiving?

 

There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the archaical

methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to other

'sectors' where they work so well.

 

Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality have

changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too!

 

I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the

YEAR!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

[Guest guest]

Manoj ji,

 

Indeed, that may indeed be the intent of God!

 

But should astrologer be God's mouthpiece, in that case?

 

Personally, I think that melapak alone might not be enough in today's complex

reality -- very different from Dwapara or other yugas!

 

<Adding a bit more mirchi to the pot! Sambaram needs a bit more spunk!>

 

RR_,

 

, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini Ji,

>

> There have been many failed " arranged " and " non-arranged " marriages in my

extended family and hence I asked the obvious question to my family's

astrologer (who is 90 and does not practice any more). His answer was

interesting.

>

> He said " Matching horoscopes matches individuals with similar marital

destinies. It does not change their destinies. So when there are two people with

terrible marital karma, why not bring them together to work it out. Why spoil

some body else's Life by letting one of them marry another person with Good

marital Karma? "

>  

> Maybe a bit spicy, but still food for thought?

>

> Regards,

>  -Manoj

>  

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

>

> Fri, December 25, 2009 3:53:43 AM

> Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

>

>  

> Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a

large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are

failing!

>

> As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all

have been receiving?

>

> There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the

archaical methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to

other 'sectors' where they work so well.

>

> Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality

have changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too!

>

> I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the

YEAR!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pathi_ji,

 

When you are right, you are right!

 

RR_,

 

, venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote:

>

> Dear Manoj ji,

>

> " Why spoil some body else's Life by letting one of them marry another person

with Good marital Karma? "

>  

> This never happens.

>

> Regards.

>

>  

> A.V.Pathi,  

>  

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj

>

> Fri, December 25, 2009 11:17:30 AM

> Re: Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

>

>  

> Dear Rohini Ji,

>

> There have been many failed " arranged " and " non-arranged " marriages in my

extended family and hence I asked the obvious question to my family's

astrologer (who is 90 and does not practice any more). His answer was

interesting.

>

> He said " Matching horoscopes matches individuals with similar marital

destinies. It does not change their destinies. So when there are two people with

terrible marital karma, why not bring them together to work it out. Why spoil

some body else's Life by letting one of them marry another person with Good

marital Karma? "

>  

> Maybe a bit spicy, but still food for thought?

>

> Regards,

>  -Manoj

>  

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

>

> Fri, December 25, 2009 3:53:43 AM

> Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

>

>  

> Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a

large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are

failing!

>

> As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all

have been receiving?

>

> There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the

archaical methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to

other 'sectors' where they work so well.

>

> Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality

have changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too!

>

> I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the

YEAR!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Pathi ji,

 

Exactly! That is why I said earlier that astrologers (or anyone else) can not

fix someone's karma.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

________________________________

venkatachala pathi <pathiav

 

Cc: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj

Sat, 26 December, 2009 1:40:18 PM

Re: Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

 

 

Dear Manoj ji,

 

" Why spoil some body else's Life by letting one of them marry another person

with Good marital Karma? "

 

This never happens.

 

Regards.

 

 

A.V.Pathi,

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

 

Fri, December 25, 2009 11:17:30 AM

Re: Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

 

 

Dear Rohini Ji,

 

There have been many failed " arranged " and " non-arranged " marriages in my

extended family and hence I asked the obvious question to my family's astrologer

(who is 90 and does not practice any more). His answer was interesting.

 

He said " Matching horoscopes matches individuals with similar marital destinies.

It does not change their destinies. So when there are two people with terrible

marital karma, why not bring them together to work it out. Why spoil some body

else's Life by letting one of them marry another person with Good marital

Karma? "

 

Maybe a bit spicy, but still food for thought?

 

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

Fri, December 25, 2009 3:53:43 AM

Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

 

 

Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a

large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are

failing!

 

As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all

have been receiving?

 

There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the archaical

methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to other

'sectors' where they work so well.

 

Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality have

changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too!

 

I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the

YEAR!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Krishnamurthy Ji,

 

There is world of difference between 'fixing' and 'reading'.  Astrologer's job

is to put all his knowledge under 'rules' in scriptures and books, to 'read'

Karma as revealed.

 

Though there are umpteen number of remedies suggested in scriptures/books

by various authors (past and present), I do not have faith in them to change

the 'course' of Karma.  However, it is human mind to accept a 'belief' to find,

and process so called 'remedies' - including using gems or talisman - as way

out.  Like, Doctors administering 'recommended' or proved medications - yet,

the patient may not 'respond' or 'improve'.  So, I distinctly segment 'faith',

'belief' and 'Karma'.  Well! I am not against the first two for someone

to practice. But, I firmly believe that ALL THESE, if aimed,  will not change

'Karma' and consequences - for good or bad results or introduce frequent

changes. This act could, however, be called 'fixing'.

 

A sample proof of 'karma':  Could one choice his parent, brothers, sisters or

any of his children, or a relative (a drunk/ immoral uncle is still his uncle)

or the plane he travels? Can he make alternates? He has a rare chance of

selecting a wife.  Here also one becomes helpless in the hands of 'Karma'!!

 

It is the onerous responsibility of an Astrologer, to stick to 'rules' and

interpret the 'facts', instead 'butter' on them, when naturally he shifts away

from telling actual facts.  Of course, there are ever so many factors for these

'shifts' to happen or interpreted in 'hues'.  All Astrologers could not be

'perfect' or 'exponents' of high order, or carry high 'reflex' to trace the

results on 'combinations' of Planets, or have courage to transfer knowledge to

correct code for 'deliveries'. These 'codes' depend of his  in-depth knowledge

assimilated over years together with worldly and astrology knowledge with

constant dedicated field practice.  That again is, an act in itself, of

'Karma' in meeting/getting the correct lighted 'path' (Jothish) from a 'right'

astrologer.  This 'path', as firmly believed by all, is not subjected for

change. Volumes can be discussed on presumption.  Yet facts result on measuring

'Karma' alone.

 

As one, would go to a doctor to diagnose a sickness, goes to a learned

astrologer to know his 'path' of life.

 

My regards to all.

A.V.Pathi,  

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

 

Sat, December 26, 2009 10:35:27 AM

Re: Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

 

 

Dear Pathi ji,

 

Exactly! That is why I said earlier that astrologers (or anyone else) can not

fix someone's karma.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

____________ _________ _________ __

venkatachala pathi <pathiav >

 

Cc: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

Sat, 26 December, 2009 1:40:18 PM

Re: Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

 

Dear Manoj ji,

 

" Why spoil some body else's Life by letting one of them marry another person

with Good marital Karma? "

 

This never happens.

 

Regards.

 

A.V.Pathi,

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

 

Fri, December 25, 2009 11:17:30 AM

Re: Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

 

Dear Rohini Ji,

 

There have been many failed " arranged " and " non-arranged " marriages in my

extended family and hence I asked the obvious question to my family's astrologer

(who is 90 and does not practice any more). His answer was interesting.

 

He said " Matching horoscopes matches individuals with similar marital destinies.

It does not change their destinies. So when there are two people with terrible

marital karma, why not bring them together to work it out. Why spoil some body

else's Life by letting one of them marry another person with Good marital

Karma? "

 

Maybe a bit spicy, but still food for thought?

 

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

Fri, December 25, 2009 3:53:43 AM

Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

 

Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a

large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are

failing!

 

As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all

have been receiving?

 

There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the archaical

methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to other

'sectors' where they work so well.

 

Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality have

changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too!

 

I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the

YEAR!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

[Guest guest]

Good, discussion, indeed, it is perhaps the time for findiout mathing

terminology from ancient texts,suited for present trend unlike it changed from

Princily age to Hitlor's age,.Though this needs adequate vision and experience.

P K Tripathy.

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

 

Sat, December 26, 2009 2:36:59 AM

Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

 

 

I personally think that astrology has always been influenced by or skewed by (if

you will!) by the prevailing social forces, needs, and who was in power and

using astrology for what.

 

Astrology itself is neutral and amoral (not IMMORAL!) like water which will fit

in wherever you keep it: cup, glass, the cupped palm of one's hand.

 

When kings and emperors prevailed and 'controlled' astrology there was more

emphasis on rajyogas, dhanyogas, how the crops will be, will there be wars and

victory or defeat, etc

 

When Hitler controlled astrology, the emphasis and point of attention on

astrology was for espionage and previsioning enemy strategy and moves etc.

 

When many psychologists and similar backgrounds were attracted to astrology, the

terminology and understanding and interpretation of the very same symbols took

up a psychological focus with the language changing accordingly.

 

Currently for most individuals relationships and occupation are two foremost

concerns and secondarily children related concerns and spiritual intelligence

(if I may coin this term).

 

RR_,

 

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@

....> wrote:

>

> Dear RR ji,

>

> You have raised valid questions. Please do share your opinion.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

>

> Fri, 25 December, 2009 5:08:45 PM

> Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

>

>

> Krishha_jee

>

> Astrologers are neither supposed to do that nor expected to do so!

>

> It is the second 'phrase' where influential clients such as Maharajas and

Kings who *supported* astrology for hundreds of years and began to " SHAPE " what

astrology must do!

>

> The *TREND* is seen still!

>

> Should it be encouraged, let alone endorsed?

>

> Those ARE the questions!

>

> Rohiniranjan

> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Fortunately/ unfortunately, astrologers are not empowered to fix anyone's

karma :-)

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> >

> > Fri, 25 December, 2009 4:23:43 PM

> > Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

> >

> >

> > Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because

a large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers

are failing!

> >

> > As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we

all have been receiving?

> >

> > There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the

archaical methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to

other 'sectors' where they work so well.

> >

> > Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality

have changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too!

> >

> > I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also

the YEAR!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Pathi ji,

Good post indeed.

//A sample proof of 'karma':Â Â Could one choice his parent,

brothers, sisters or any of his children, or a relative (a drunk/

immoral uncle is still his uncle) or the plane he travels? Can he

make alternates? He has a rare chance of selecting a wife. Here

also one becomes helpless in the hands of 'Karma'!!//

i agree with you sir.A spiritually evolved one once told me that we cant

hange our birth,death,profession and marriage(wife) to our LIKING.He was

just hinting that we cant change ANYTHING!!(karma)may be?...

//That again is, an act in itself, of 'Karma' in meeting/getting the

correct lighted 'path' (Jothish) from a 'right' astrologer.Â

This 'path', as firmly believed by all, is not subjected for change.

Volumes can be discussed on presumption. Yet facts result on

measuring 'Karma' alone. Â > As one, would go to a doctor to diagnose

a sickness, goes to a learned astrologer to know his 'path' of life.//

i agree with your experience....

Love and regards,

gopi.

, venkatachala pathi <pathiav

wrote:

>

> Dear Sri Krishnamurthy Ji,

>

> There is world of difference between 'fixing' and 'reading'.Â

Astrologer's job is to put all his knowledge under 'rules' in scriptures

and books, to 'read' Karma as revealed.

>

> Though there are umpteen number of remedies suggested inÂ

scriptures/books by various authors (past and present), I do notÂ

have faith in them to change the 'course' of Karma. However, it is

human mind to accept a 'belief' to find, and process so called

'remedies' - including using gems or talisman - as way out. Like,

Doctors administering 'recommended' or proved medications - yet, the

patient may not 'respond' or 'improve'. So, I distinctlyÂ

segment 'faith', 'belief' and 'Karma'. Well! I am not against

the first two for someone to practice. But, I firmly believe

that ALL THESE, if aimed, Â will not change 'Karma' and consequences

- for good or bad results or introduce frequent changes. This act

could, however, be called 'fixing'.

>

> A sample proof of 'karma':Â Â Could one choice his parent,

brothers, sisters or any of his children, or a relative (a drunk/

immoral uncle is still his uncle) or the plane he travels? Can he

make alternates? He has a rare chance of selecting a wife. Here

also one becomes helpless in the hands of 'Karma'!!

>

> It is the onerous responsibility of an Astrologer, to stick to

'rules' and interpret the 'facts', instead 'butter' on them, when

naturally he shifts away from telling actual facts. Of course,

there are ever so many factors for these 'shifts' to happen or

interpreted in 'hues'. All Astrologers could not be 'perfect'

or 'exponents' of high order, or carry high 'reflex' to trace the

results on 'combinations' of Planets, or have courage to transfer

knowledge to correct code for 'deliveries'. These 'codes' depend of

his in-depth knowledge assimilated over years together with worldly

and astrology knowledge with constant dedicated field practice.Â

That again is, an act in itself, of 'Karma' in meeting/getting the

correct lighted 'path' (Jothish) from a 'right' astrologer.Â

This 'path', as firmly believed by all, is not subjected for change.

Volumes can be discussed on presumption. Yet facts result on

measuring 'Karma' alone.

> Â

> As one, would go to a doctor to diagnose a sickness, goes to a learned

astrologer to know his 'path' of life.

>

> My regards to all.

> A.V.Pathi, Â

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998

>

> Sat, December 26, 2009 10:35:27 AM

> Re: Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage

Match

>

> Â

> Dear Pathi ji,

>

> Exactly! That is why I said earlier that astrologers (or anyone else)

can not fix someone's karma.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> venkatachala pathi pathiav >

>

> Cc: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> Sat, 26 December, 2009 1:40:18 PM

> Re: Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage

Match

>

> Dear Manoj ji,

>

> " Why spoil some body else's Life by letting one of them marry another

person with Good marital Karma? "

>

> This never happens.

>

> Regards.

>

> A.V.Pathi,

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

>

> Fri, December 25, 2009 11:17:30 AM

> Re: Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage

Match

>

> Dear Rohini Ji,

>

> There have been many failed " arranged " and " non-arranged " marriages in

my extended family and hence I asked the obvious question to my family's

astrologer (who is 90 and does not practice any more). His answer was

interesting.

>

> He said " Matching horoscopes matches individuals with similar marital

destinies. It does not change their destinies. So when there are two

people with terrible marital karma, why not bring them together to work

it out. Why spoil some body else's Life by letting one of them marry

another person with Good marital Karma? "

>

> Maybe a bit spicy, but still food for thought?

>

> Regards,

> -Manoj

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

>

> Fri, December 25, 2009 3:53:43 AM

> Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

>

> Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties

because a large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed

by astrologers are failing!

>

> As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological

queries we all have been receiving?

>

> There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the

archaical methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or

shifted to other 'sectors' where they work so well.

>

> Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their

reality have changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change

too!

>

> I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but

also the YEAR!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Manoj ji,

i agree with your family astrologer but at the same time question if it

is in his or anybody's hands?.That's what we call DESTINY i

believe......

Love and regards,

gopi.

, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj

wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini Ji,

>

> There have been many failed " arranged " and " non-arranged "

marriages in my extended family and hence I asked the obvious

question to my family's astrologer (who is 90 and does not practice

any more). His answer was interesting.

>

> He said " Matching horoscopes matches individuals with similar marital

destinies. It does not change their destinies. So when there are two

people with terrible marital karma, why not bring them together to work

it out. Why spoil some body else's Life by letting one of them marry

another person with Good marital Karma? "

> Â

> Maybe a bit spicy, but still food for thought?

>

> Regards,

> Â -Manoj

> Â

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> rohinicrystal jyotish_vani

>

> Fri, December 25, 2009 3:53:43 AM

> Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

>

> Â

> Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties

because a large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed

by astrologers are failing!

>

> As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological

queries we all have been receiving?

>

> There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the

archaical methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or

shifted to other 'sectors' where they work so well.

>

> Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their

reality have changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change

too!

>

> I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but

also the YEAR!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

WHEW! I was worried that it being Saturday, Serious and stern Mr. Headmaster

will pronounce this indignantly as another " Brush and Flush " posting!

 

Although, one wonders, why one was brushing their teeth at the toilet and not at

the sink!

 

But seriously, what you wrote was not very clear:

" ...suited for present trend unlike it changed from Princily age to Hitlor's

age... " B-?

 

Regards ;-)

 

RR-,

 

, Pk Tripathy <pktripathy89 wrote:

>

> Good, discussion, indeed, it is perhaps the time for findiout mathing

terminology from ancient texts,suited for present trend unlike it changed from

Princily age to Hitlor's age,.Though this needs adequate vision and experience.

> P K Tripathy.

>

>  

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

>

> Sat, December 26, 2009 2:36:59 AM

> Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

>

>  

> I personally think that astrology has always been influenced by or skewed by

(if you will!) by the prevailing social forces, needs, and who was in power and

using astrology for what.

>

> Astrology itself is neutral and amoral (not IMMORAL!) like water which will

fit in wherever you keep it: cup, glass, the cupped palm of one's hand.

>

> When kings and emperors prevailed and 'controlled' astrology there was more

emphasis on rajyogas, dhanyogas, how the crops will be, will there be wars and

victory or defeat, etc

>

> When Hitler controlled astrology, the emphasis and point of attention on

astrology was for espionage and previsioning enemy strategy and moves etc.

>

> When many psychologists and similar backgrounds were attracted to astrology,

the terminology and understanding and interpretation of the very same symbols

took up a psychological focus with the language changing accordingly.

>

> Currently for most individuals relationships and occupation are two foremost

concerns and secondarily children related concerns and spiritual intelligence

(if I may coin this term).

>

> RR_,

>

> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear RR ji,

> >

> > You have raised valid questions. Please do share your opinion.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> >

> > Fri, 25 December, 2009 5:08:45 PM

> > Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

> >

> >

> > Krishha_jee

> >

> > Astrologers are neither supposed to do that nor expected to do so!

> >

> > It is the second 'phrase' where influential clients such as Maharajas and

Kings who *supported* astrology for hundreds of years and began to " SHAPE " what

astrology must do!

> >

> > The *TREND* is seen still!

> >

> > Should it be encouraged, let alone endorsed?

> >

> > Those ARE the questions!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Fortunately/ unfortunately, astrologers are not empowered to fix anyone's

karma :-)

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > >

> > > Fri, 25 December, 2009 4:23:43 PM

> > > Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match

> > >

> > >

> > > Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties

because a large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by

astrologers are failing!

> > >

> > > As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we

all have been receiving?

> > >

> > > There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the

archaical methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to

other 'sectors' where they work so well.

> > >

> > > Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their

reality have changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too!

> > >

> > > I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also

the YEAR!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

> > >

> > >