[Ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Best wishes for uttarayan 2009!

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Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , " hari "

<harimalla wrote:

 

 

Dear Goelji,

Thank you for your reply.

What you say is perfectly correct. But to say that 'In the present era they fall

when the sun is on its uttarayan course'is not sufficient.Yes now doubt, these

fall on the uttarayan course after the start of uttaryan. Then what solar and

lunar dates actually falls on the start of uttaryan itself is important? It is

important to identify these dates in the present era and start the new costum of

celebrating from that acurate uttarayan date.The present dates of poush purnima

and makar sankranti are no more valid or authentic start of utttaryan dates

since they do not touch uttarayn date any more as it did in the past.

After some analysis we can easily conclude that now days it is not poush purnima

which fall on actual uttarayan starting date but it is mrigasira purnma which

does so. In fact for the last 400 hundred years, Nepal has recognised mrigasira

purnima as the uttarayan purnima and celebrate 'yomari purnima' as the longest

night or the shortest day. This issue has also been raised in Kalamadhav book

but left as follows: " some people say that lunar uttarayan fall on mrigasira

purnima but it has to be confirmed by calculation. "

A team of experts in Nepal have proved beyond doubt a few years ago that

mrigasira purnima has been going on both sides of the actual uttarayan solar

date, and thus deserves to be known as uttrayan purnima, since the last 600

years or so.

Now the question arises, if mrigasira purnima is the actual uttarayan purnima

nowadays, then what is the respective nirayan uttarayan solar date? This is

found out by finding the average mid point of the fluctuation zone of the above

purnima.The average nirayan date is found to be Dhanu sankranti.Thus we have to

shift Makar sankranti to Dhanu sankranti to represent the mid point of the

purnima fluctuation zone.Thus the present dhanu sankranti renamed as makar

sankranti becomes the ideal way to reform our calendar so that the wording of

dharma shastra remains the same as well as it also correctly or authentically

represents utttarayan. This shifting the name is allowed by the sayan

system.This is why the proposed system is known as the coordinated system, since

both the sayan and the nirayan concepts are accepted in this mode of

reformation.

Thank you. Please continue to discuss in case of doubt and confirm it, if the

doubt has been removed.We may now proceed on how the reformation was proposed in

the nineteenth century by Bala ganga dhar Tilak and Shankar BK Dixit. Shall we

do so in the next mail?

Regards,

Hari Malla

 

 

 

Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , Gopal Goel

<gkgoel1937@> wrote:

>

> Dear Malla ji,

> In your mail ,kindly refer following sentence:

>

> " Thus for general use poush purnima and makar sankranti are the lunar

> and the solar uttaryan dates for celebration. "

> If we write it in following way , then it will be more near to reality:

> 'Thus for general use poush purnima and makar sankranti are the lunar

> and the solar dates for celebration based on Sidereal coordinates. In present

era ,they fall when Sun on its uttarayan course. "

>

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

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>

>

>

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> prashant <praspandey@>

> Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest

> Wed, 23 December, 2009 9:55:36 PM

> Re: [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Best wishes for uttarayan 2009!

>

>

> < One felt the tail and said the elphant is like a rope.The other felt the

trunk and said the elephant is like a snake etc. >

>

> Nothing matters for our Pandit Babaji Shri Gopal Goelji, one felt elephant's

tail as tail, rope trunk etc etc....

>

> Only one thing matters for him, is, his mobile (consultation- wala) should

keep ringing continuously which he writes in his signature... .

>

> Pandit Shri Gopal Goel ji, Am I wrong ???

>

> Regs,

> Prashant Pandey

>

> Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, " hari "

<harimalla@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Goelji,

> > naamskar! Yes

> > I have been waiting long to tell you this matter. I am happy you have asked

this question.Please continue to enquie thoroughly, so we understand things

better from the vedic viewpoint. I will let you know whatever I have learnt

from the various Gurus.

> > I guess you know about the six blind men who went to see the elphant.One

felt the tail and said the elphant is like a rope.The other felt the trunk and

said the elephant is like a snake etc. Each festival has three components.The

main is the lunar tithi.Say Poush Purnima is the real uttaryan tithi.This you

will learn from the dharma shastra like Dharma sindhu.Since this Poush purnima

fluctuates 15\16 days on both sides of makar sankranti every third year due to

adhimasa, it is taken as the solar mean of maagha snana.Thus for general use

poush purnima and makar sankranti are the lunar and the solar uttaryan dates for

celebration. But the actual uttarayan date is within the poush purnima

fluctuation zone and gives the uttarayan value to Poush purnima. Since poush

purnima fluctates over one month due to one month adhimas,the actual uttarayan

can be withn the zone of poush ppurnima for about 2150 years.Durig this whole

period, makar sankranti which is at

> the middle of the ppurnima fluctuation zone can autehntically represent the

utttaryan phenomenon. There is no probelm in this. Please confirm if I am clear

or not. Of course we have to talk more but I want to make sure you have

understood what I am trying to say.

> > Regardes,

> > Hari Mall

> > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Gopal Goel

<gkgoel1937@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Hari Malla ji,

> > > If You say, ' Sun becomes Uttarayan on the day Sidereal Makar

> > > Sankranti , who will believe in such things.

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > >

> > > G.K.GOEL

> > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > INDIA

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > prashant <praspandey@ >

> > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

> > > Tue, 22 December, 2009 8:42:39 PM

> > > Re: [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Best wishes for uttarayan

2009!

> > >

> > >

> > > First read VEDAS after that comment about the festivals.

> > >

> > > Festivals in VEDAS are also mentioned as based on seasons.

> > >

> > > There is difference between Tropical and Seasons.

> > >

> > > Regs,

> > > Prashant Pandey

> > >

> > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, " hari "

<harimalla@ ..> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Goelji,

> > > > You should read some dharmashatras to understand many of the things

about religious astrology. Uttarayan sankranti which is used in dharma shastras

is nirayan since it is celebrated on nirayan date like makar sankranti.Do not

pretend not to know things which is commonly practised by the majority of the

Hindus.Is makar sankranti celebrated not on the nirayn date? Sayan celebration

is basically not prescribed because it does not lead us to the Purush. Do you

know the meaning of the Purush? The lunar months containing nirayan sankranti is

said to contain the Purush.If there is no nirayan sankranti in a lunar month

that lunar month is said to be napunsak(neuter) . This is the general rule of

dharmsa shastras.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Hari Malla

> > > >

> > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Gopal

Goel <gkgoel1937@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > There is no such term ' nirayan uttaryan sankranti'.

> > > > > Every person is free to celebrate festivals according

> > > > > to their belief and teaching of his 'Samprdaya'.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nirayan means without Ayan.As such Nirayan Samkranti

> > > > > has absolutely no connection with Uttaryan or Dakshayan.

> > > > >

> > > > > As VE Point is receeding in zodiac with the mean rate of 50 " .3 sec.

> > > > > per year .it receeds about 1 degree in 72 years.As such , nirayan

> > > > > Sankrant(s) advance by one date on the Gregorian calendar(which

> > > > > follows the tropical year of 365.2452 days instead of sidereal year

> > > > > of 365.256 days duration)

> > > > > REGARDS,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > > > INDIA

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > hari <harimalla@>

> > > > > indian_astrology_ group_daily_ digest@grou ps.com

> > > > > Mon, 21 December, 2009 9:57:19 AM

> > > > > [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Best wishes for uttarayan

2009!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > parvasudhar2065, " hari " <harimalla@ ..>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Kaulji,

> > > > > Best wishies for your sayan uttaryan sankranti!

> > > > > We propose to celebrate nirayan uttaryan sankranti on solar Poush

1st(sankranti) since the shastras prohibit celebration of sayan sankranti.

Nirayan poush sankranti is Dec 16th. This will remain as such for about 15-1600

years. But as you say we have to name this also as Makar sankranti,the sayan

way, although it is presently known as Dhanu sankranti. This is to support the

opinions of sayanbadis like you and SB Dixit, although you like to call yourself

neither sayan nor nirayan, by throwing away the rashis.

> > > > > The proposed lunar maagha snana started from Mrigasira purnima (the

full moon of December) which fell this year on 2nd of December but will fall

next year towards the end of December. Since December 21 is the actual shortest

day,the proposed lunar shortest day maagha snana, namely Mrigasira purnima, will

go both before and after this date, since this fullmoon fluctuates over the

whole month of December, from Dec. 1 to Dec.31.

> > > > > Thus the traditional nirayan solar sankranti and lunar full moons will

be the celebration date for uttarayan, which keeps on changing its abslute

steller location from year to year. We prefer to stick to the age old tradition

of not worshipping Brahmaji, which would be the case if we celebrated the sayan

sankranti, as you are proposing.

> > > > > So my request for you too, to follow the age old vedic tradition and

not go against it.

> > > > > If you read the dharma shastras you will note that the lunar months

having the nirayan solar sankrantis contain the Purusha.Purusha is not

considered with respect to the sayan sankrantis. Hope you understand the basis

of our shastras.

> > > > > Thank you and regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > HinduCalendar, " jyotirved " <jyotirved@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > > Best wishes for Uttarayana of 2009!

> > > > > > Uttarayana Day, known as Winter Solstice in English language, is a

unique

> > > > > > Hindu festival --- like the Summer Solstice (Dakshinayana) and the

two

> > > > > > Ayanaas i.e. Vernal and autumnal Equinox, known as Vasanta Sampat

and

> > > > > > Hemanta Sampat respectively.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All these festivals, as per the Puranas. are said to yield

thousand-fold

> > > > > > results if charities are bestowed during their punya-kala or other

> > > > > > puja/japa/archana is conducted/performed during that period.

> > > > > > Unfortunately, because of our fatal infatuation with predictive

gimmicks,

> > > > > > which some people call " Vedic astrology " , we have gone completely

out of

> > > > > > touch with these universal geographic and religious phenomena.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Uttarayana Day is also known as Makar Sankranti as per all the

siddhantas,

> > > > > > including the Surya Siddhanta, and all the Puranas, including the

Bhagavata,

> > > > > > Vishnu and Vishnu-dharmotarapu rana etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The exact timing of Uttaryana for 2009 is 17 hrs. 47 mts UT/GMT

which

> > > > > > corresponds to 23 hrs. 17 mts. IST of December 21, 2009. Those

desirous of

> > > > > > doing Tantrika kriyas at the exact moment can start doing so around

23 hrs.

> > > > > > IST and continue for about an hour, though the snana-dhyana etc. of

> > > > > > Uttarayana will be on December 22 right from the dawn.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is the same Uttarayana that was and must be known as

Makaradi-snana in UP

> > > > > > and Bihar etc.; Shishira Sankranti in Kashmir and Makar Sankranti

for the

> > > > > > whole of India. It is also the start of the Vedic month Tapah and

solar

> > > > > > Magha apart from Shishira Ritu.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is no other Makar Sankranti either as per the Siddhantas or

Puranas,

> > > > > > not to speak of the Vedas or the Vedanga Jyotisha since Makar etc.

rashis,

> > > > > > being imaginary divisions, are conspicuous by their absence from

those

> > > > > > works.

> > > > > > Anybody, however, can celebrate any Sankranti on any day, since

India is the

> > > > > > largest democracy in the world and every body has his/her " religious

> > > > > > freedom " even to celebrate any imaginary sankranti!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The so called Dhanurmasa, which is an anathema for marriages etc. as

per

> > > > > > muhurta shastras, also ends actually on December 21 itself, instead

of

> > > > > > January 15, when " almighty " Lahiri Dharniumasa will end!

> > > > > > With regards,

> > > > > > A K Kaul

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- End forwarded message ---

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