Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions

[Guest guest]

Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of phalit jyotish or

predictive astrology.

 

If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions of 3.20

degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 degrees, each

pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by 12 navamsas in

sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi which is mesha,

this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

 

Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha rashi's first

navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

 

Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do have predictive

implications internal to the that rashi,

 

As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis within the

rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is no way

eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, Planets cast their

aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a rashi receives

aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi receives same

aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees.

 

When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and make a chart,

we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put toghather, navamsa

chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those navamsas or

3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at the time of

birth.

 

As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees having a

planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for the ease of the

astrologers only, who started such division charts are not known, but,

there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, Our sages have

not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they only talked about

division or amsa.

 

The navamsa and other such charts which came into existence for the ease

of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when astrologer

started them taking as seperate charts and therefore question of aspects

and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc emerged.

 

As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and other divisional

charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, take a case,

suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of simha (Leo), and

mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, We w'd find

in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other in Mesha,

whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna chart, no

conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition based on their

conjunction is wrong.

 

At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, It's a pity that

some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, rushing more

and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should understand

predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa occupied by

planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, this is the very

reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other divisions and have

given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or other divisions,

they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of NAVAMSA CHART or

ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further confusions in

making predictions like most astrologers are having today.

 

Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd stop taking

navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or Iyear's

manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner of Jyotish as

stated by sages, however, it depends on them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

The marriage between Baba (SUN) and Ma (MOON) actually!

 

Little wonder that Kshetra and Navamsha were portrayed by Parashara jee in that

mundane way!

 

Where two ways of defining REALITY: Rashis and Nakshatras UNITED!

 

And the padas (feet?) followed!

 

RR_,

 

, " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi

wrote:

>

>

>

> Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of phalit jyotish or

> predictive astrology.

>

> If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions of 3.20

> degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 degrees, each

> pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by 12 navamsas in

> sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi which is mesha,

> this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

>

> Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha rashi's first

> navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

>

> Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do have predictive

> implications internal to the that rashi,

>

> As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis within the

> rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is no way

> eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, Planets cast their

> aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a rashi receives

> aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi receives same

> aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees.

>

> When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and make a chart,

> we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put toghather, navamsa

> chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those navamsas or

> 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at the time of

> birth.

>

> As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees having a

> planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for the ease of the

> astrologers only, who started such division charts are not known, but,

> there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, Our sages have

> not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they only talked about

> division or amsa.

>

> The navamsa and other such charts which came into existence for the ease

> of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when astrologer

> started them taking as seperate charts and therefore question of aspects

> and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc emerged.

>

> As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and other divisional

> charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, take a case,

> suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of simha (Leo), and

> mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, We w'd find

> in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other in Mesha,

> whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna chart, no

> conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition based on their

> conjunction is wrong.

>

> At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, It's a pity that

> some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, rushing more

> and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should understand

> predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa occupied by

> planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, this is the very

> reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other divisions and have

> given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or other divisions,

> they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of NAVAMSA CHART or

> ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further confusions in

> making predictions like most astrologers are having today.

>

> Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd stop taking

> navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or Iyear's

> manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner of Jyotish as

> stated by sages, however, it depends on them.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi,

 

You only prophesise and never come with any kind of reading. Whenever a question

is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it as it suits your needs. You in

this particular mail write about the methods of Dr. B.V. Raman or methods of

Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants, but give no example to justify your claims

of knowledge gained in perhaps 3 years, compared to the knowledge gained by

these gentlemen by spending their entire life on it.

 

We are here to discuss astrology and astrological principles and not for hearing

out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote about Swami Vivekananda's short

life by citing a particular case. I can give you charts where similar placements

are present but the persons are still alive. So, before, you point fingers at

others, point a finger to your heart and find out the reality.

 

best wishes,

 

Manoj

 

 

 

 

________________________________

utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi

 

Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM

Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's

Confusions

 

 

 

 

Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of phalit jyotish or

predictive astrology.

 

If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions of 3.20

degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 degrees, each

pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by 12 navamsas in

sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi which is mesha,

this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

 

Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha rashi's first

navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

 

Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do have predictive

implications internal to the that rashi,

 

As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis within the

rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is no way

eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, Planets cast their

aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a rashi receives

aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi receives same

aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees.

 

When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and make a chart,

we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put toghather, navamsa

chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those navamsas or

3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at the time of

birth.

 

As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees having a

planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for the ease of the

astrologers only, who started such division charts are not known, but,

there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, Our sages have

not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they only talked about

division or amsa.

 

The navamsa and other such charts which came into existence for the ease

of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when astrologer

started them taking as seperate charts and therefore question of aspects

and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc emerged.

 

As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and other divisional

charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, take a case,

suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of simha (Leo), and

mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, We w'd find

in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other in Mesha,

whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna chart, no

conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition based on their

conjunction is wrong.

 

At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, It's a pity that

some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, rushing more

and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should understand

predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa occupied by

planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, this is the very

reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other divisions and have

given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or other divisions,

they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of NAVAMSA CHART or

ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further confusions in

making predictions like most astrologers are having today.

 

Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd stop taking

navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or Iyear's

manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner of Jyotish as

stated by sages, however, it depends on them.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Happy that atleast astrology is discussed someway or other.I also agree

though.

-gopi.

, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi,

>

> You only prophesise and never come with any kind of reading. Whenever

a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it as it suits

your needs. You in this particular mail write about the methods of Dr.

B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants, but give no

example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in perhaps 3 years,

compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by spending their

entire life on it.

>

> We are here to discuss astrology and astrological principles and not

for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote about Swami

Vivekananda's short life by citing a particular case. I can give you

charts where similar placements are present but the persons are still

alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a finger to your

heart and find out the reality.

>

> best wishes,

>

> Manoj

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi

>

> Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM

> Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts

& Today's Confusions

>

> Â

>

>

> Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of phalit jyotish or

> predictive astrology.

>

> If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions of 3.20

> degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 degrees, each

> pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by 12 navamsas

in

> sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi which is

mesha,

> this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

>

> Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha rashi's first

> navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

>

> Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do have predictive

> implications internal to the that rashi,

>

> As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis within the

> rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is no way

> eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, Planets cast

their

> aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a rashi receives

> aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi receives same

> aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees.

>

> When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and make a

chart,

> we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put toghather, navamsa

> chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those navamsas or

> 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at the time of

> birth.

>

> As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees having a

> planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for the ease of

the

> astrologers only, who started such division charts are not known, but,

> there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, Our sages

have

> not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they only talked

about

> division or amsa.

>

> The navamsa and other such charts which came into existence for the

ease

> of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when astrologer

> started them taking as seperate charts and therefore question of

aspects

> and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc emerged.

>

> As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and other divisional

> charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, take a case,

> suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of simha (Leo), and

> mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, We w'd find

> in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other in Mesha,

> whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna chart, no

> conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition based on their

> conjunction is wrong.

>

> At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, It's a pity

that

> some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, rushing

more

> and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should understand

> predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa occupied by

> planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, this is the

very

> reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other divisions and

have

> given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or other divisions,

> they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of NAVAMSA CHART

or

> ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further confusions in

> making predictions like most astrologers are having today.

>

> Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd stop taking

> navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or Iyear's

> manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner of Jyotish as

> stated by sages, however, it depends on them.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear sri Utkal panigrahi,

Ur explanation on the concept of navamsa is good. However can we

take it like this for predictive purpose  if u have an affliction of the

house either by way of the planet being weak or aspects from

unfavourable planets to the house, then in which case we chek

whether there are palliatives in the subdivision ie 3.20 ( navamsa)

by way of the house getting favourable aspects or the lord of

the afflicited house in the natal chart gets exalted in the navamsa.

so to that extent of degrees involved in divisional charts we can

find favourable results during their maha dasa/antara dasa bhukthi.

No doubt natal chart positions gives the exact effects of the planets.

Looking forward to ur reply.

 

regards,

k.gopu

 

 

 

--- On Sat, 1/30/10, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi wrote:

 

 

utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi

Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's

Confusions

 

Saturday, January 30, 2010, 1:53 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of phalit jyotish or

predictive astrology.

 

If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions of 3.20

degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 degrees, each

pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by 12 navamsas in

sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi which is mesha,

this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

 

Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha rashi's first

navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

 

Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do have predictive

implications internal to the that rashi,

 

As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis within the

rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is no way

eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, Planets cast their

aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a rashi receives

aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi receives same

aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees.

 

When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and make a chart,

we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put toghather, navamsa

chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those navamsas or

3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at the time of

birth.

 

As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees having a

planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for the ease of the

astrologers only, who started such division charts are not known, but,

there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, Our sages have

not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they only talked about

division or amsa.

 

The navamsa and other such charts which came into existence for the ease

of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when astrologer

started them taking as seperate charts and therefore question of aspects

and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc emerged.

 

As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and other divisional

charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, take a case,

suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of simha (Leo), and

mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, We w'd find

in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other in Mesha,

whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna chart, no

conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition based on their

conjunction is wrong.

 

At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, It's a pity that

some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, rushing more

and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should understand

predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa occupied by

planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, this is the very

reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other divisions and have

given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or other divisions,

they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of NAVAMSA CHART or

ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further confusions in

making predictions like most astrologers are having today.

 

Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd stop taking

navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or Iyear's

manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner of Jyotish as

stated by sages, however, it depends on them.

 

 

[Guest guest]

(Utkal) ji,

 

This theme has been undergoing scrutiny and discussion for more than a decade

now and I believe had been raised from time to time in this and several other

fora, again and again. I am certain that it would continue further on for many

generations to come!

 

I was a bit disappointed to notice the absence of nakshatras and their padas in

your otherwise detailed posting! Navamshas are after all synchronous indeed

identical to the padas of nakshatras which can be viewed as the zodiac of stars

superimposed on the zodiac of sidereal signs. Each navamsha therefore would

represent the planet that rules over the kshetra, the nakshatra and the

pada/navamsha.

 

Of course similar 'conjoined' custody/ownership exists in modern jyotis too, in

the form of the KP SI-ST-Su matrix which ties the sign and star with the

vimshottari organization.

 

Of course, rightly or wrongly, each jyotishi would need to figure out for

themselves what works and what does not. Including the choice of ayanamsha and

choices of dasas and choice of dasa year or the moment of mandi or of gulika or

mean or true nodes. The list of possibilities (for confusion) are ample if not

endless!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi

wrote:

>

>

>

> Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of phalit jyotish or

> predictive astrology.

>

> If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions of 3.20

> degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 degrees, each

> pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by 12 navamsas in

> sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi which is mesha,

> this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

>

> Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha rashi's first

> navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

>

> Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do have predictive

> implications internal to the that rashi,

>

> As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis within the

> rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is no way

> eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, Planets cast their

> aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a rashi receives

> aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi receives same

> aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees.

>

> When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and make a chart,

> we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put toghather, navamsa

> chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those navamsas or

> 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at the time of

> birth.

>

> As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees having a

> planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for the ease of the

> astrologers only, who started such division charts are not known, but,

> there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, Our sages have

> not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they only talked about

> division or amsa.

>

> The navamsa and other such charts which came into existence for the ease

> of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when astrologer

> started them taking as seperate charts and therefore question of aspects

> and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc emerged.

>

> As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and other divisional

> charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, take a case,

> suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of simha (Leo), and

> mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, We w'd find

> in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other in Mesha,

> whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna chart, no

> conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition based on their

> conjunction is wrong.

>

> At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, It's a pity that

> some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, rushing more

> and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should understand

> predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa occupied by

> planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, this is the very

> reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other divisions and have

> given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or other divisions,

> they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of NAVAMSA CHART or

> ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further confusions in

> making predictions like most astrologers are having today.

>

> Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd stop taking

> navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or Iyear's

> manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner of Jyotish as

> stated by sages, however, it depends on them.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still do a self study

and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding.

 

 

 

 

, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi,

>

> You only prophesise and never come with any kind of reading. Whenever

a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it as it suits

your needs. You in this particular mail write about the methods of Dr.

B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants, but give no

example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in perhaps 3 years,

compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by spending their

entire life on it.

>

> We are here to discuss astrology and astrological principles and not

for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote about Swami

Vivekananda's short life by citing a particular case. I can give you

charts where similar placements are present but the persons are still

alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a finger to your

heart and find out the reality.

>

> best wishes,

>

> Manoj

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi

>

> Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM

> Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts

& Today's Confusions

>

> Â

>

>

> Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of phalit jyotish or

> predictive astrology.

>

> If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions of 3.20

> degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 degrees, each

> pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by 12 navamsas

in

> sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi which is

mesha,

> this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

>

> Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha rashi's first

> navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

>

> Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do have predictive

> implications internal to the that rashi,

>

> As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis within the

> rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is no way

> eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, Planets cast

their

> aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a rashi receives

> aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi receives same

> aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees.

>

> When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and make a

chart,

> we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put toghather, navamsa

> chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those navamsas or

> 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at the time of

> birth.

>

> As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees having a

> planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for the ease of

the

> astrologers only, who started such division charts are not known, but,

> there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, Our sages

have

> not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they only talked

about

> division or amsa.

>

> The navamsa and other such charts which came into existence for the

ease

> of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when astrologer

> started them taking as seperate charts and therefore question of

aspects

> and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc emerged.

>

> As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and other divisional

> charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, take a case,

> suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of simha (Leo), and

> mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, We w'd find

> in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other in Mesha,

> whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna chart, no

> conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition based on their

> conjunction is wrong.

>

> At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, It's a pity

that

> some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, rushing

more

> and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should understand

> predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa occupied by

> planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, this is the

very

> reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other divisions and

have

> given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or other divisions,

> they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of NAVAMSA CHART

or

> ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further confusions in

> making predictions like most astrologers are having today.

>

> Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd stop taking

> navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or Iyear's

> manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner of Jyotish as

> stated by sages, however, it depends on them.

>

>

[Guest guest]

you really make me laugh. i normally do not ridicule anyone though as much as i

desire now but still i would refrain now because i have come across much bafoons

like you. prove that you are not a bafoon.

 

manoj

 

 

 

 

________________________________

utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi

 

Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM

Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts &

Today's Confusions

 

 

 

Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still do a self study

and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding.

 

, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi,

>

> You only prophesise and never come with any kind of reading. Whenever

a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it as it suits

your needs. You in this particular mail write about the methods of Dr.

B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants, but give no

example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in perhaps 3 years,

compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by spending their

entire life on it.

>

> We are here to discuss astrology and astrological principles and not

for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote about Swami

Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I can give you

charts where similar placements are present but the persons are still

alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a finger to your

heart and find out the reality.

>

> best wishes,

>

> Manoj

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

>

> Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM

> Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts

& Today's Confusions

>

> Â

>

>

> Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of phalit jyotish or

> predictive astrology.

>

> If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions of 3.20

> degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 degrees, each

> pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by 12 navamsas

in

> sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi which is

mesha,

> this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

>

> Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha rashi's first

> navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

>

> Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do have predictive

> implications internal to the that rashi,

>

> As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis within the

> rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is no way

> eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, Planets cast

their

> aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a rashi receives

> aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi receives same

> aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees.

>

> When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and make a

chart,

> we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put toghather, navamsa

> chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those navamsas or

> 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at the time of

> birth.

>

> As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees having a

> planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for the ease of

the

> astrologers only, who started such division charts are not known, but,

> there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, Our sages

have

> not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they only talked

about

> division or amsa.

>

> The navamsa and other such charts which came into existence for the

ease

> of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when astrologer

> started them taking as seperate charts and therefore question of

aspects

> and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc emerged.

>

> As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and other divisional

> charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, take a case,

> suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of simha (Leo), and

> mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, We w'd find

> in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other in Mesha,

> whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna chart, no

> conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition based on their

> conjunction is wrong.

>

> At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, It's a pity

that

> some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, rushing

more

> and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should understand

> predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa occupied by

> planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, this is the

very

> reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other divisions and

have

> given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or other divisions,

> they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of NAVAMSA CHART

or

> ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further confusions in

> making predictions like most astrologers are having today.

>

> Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd stop taking

> navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or Iyear's

> manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner of Jyotish as

> stated by sages, however, it depends on them.

>

>

[Guest guest]

It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come up with this " you are

ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when you got the powers to prescribe

mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact that not all can prescribe

mantras.

 

You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr regions " (for which

there is no astrological reason at all)

 

You never answered the logic for your " so called " " mundane " predictions which

any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days can predict.

 

You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda's death because you knew the

moment you open your mouth you would be confronted with hundreds of similar

charts where such combinations are present and you would be made to eat your

words.

 

So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show your worth or else show

your ........

 

still wishing good for you.....

 

Manoj

 

 

 

 

________________________________

utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi

 

Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM

Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts &

Today's Confusions

 

 

 

Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still do a self study

and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding.

 

, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi,

>

> You only prophesise and never come with any kind of reading. Whenever

a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it as it suits

your needs. You in this particular mail write about the methods of Dr.

B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants, but give no

example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in perhaps 3 years,

compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by spending their

entire life on it.

>

> We are here to discuss astrology and astrological principles and not

for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote about Swami

Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I can give you

charts where similar placements are present but the persons are still

alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a finger to your

heart and find out the reality.

>

> best wishes,

>

> Manoj

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

>

> Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM

> Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts

& Today's Confusions

>

> Â

>

>

> Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of phalit jyotish or

> predictive astrology.

>

> If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions of 3.20

> degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 degrees, each

> pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by 12 navamsas

in

> sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi which is

mesha,

> this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

>

> Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha rashi's first

> navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

>

> Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do have predictive

> implications internal to the that rashi,

>

> As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis within the

> rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is no way

> eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, Planets cast

their

> aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a rashi receives

> aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi receives same

> aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees.

>

> When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and make a

chart,

> we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put toghather, navamsa

> chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those navamsas or

> 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at the time of

> birth.

>

> As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees having a

> planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for the ease of

the

> astrologers only, who started such division charts are not known, but,

> there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, Our sages

have

> not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they only talked

about

> division or amsa.

>

> The navamsa and other such charts which came into existence for the

ease

> of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when astrologer

> started them taking as seperate charts and therefore question of

aspects

> and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc emerged.

>

> As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and other divisional

> charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, take a case,

> suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of simha (Leo), and

> mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, We w'd find

> in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other in Mesha,

> whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna chart, no

> conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition based on their

> conjunction is wrong.

>

> At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, It's a pity

that

> some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, rushing

more

> and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should understand

> predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa occupied by

> planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, this is the

very

> reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other divisions and

have

> given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or other divisions,

> they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of NAVAMSA CHART

or

> ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further confusions in

> making predictions like most astrologers are having today.

>

> Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd stop taking

> navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or Iyear's

> manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner of Jyotish as

> stated by sages, however, it depends on them.

>

>

[Guest guest]

When so called techniques are not working, there is only one recourse

available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe proxy poojas.

You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " .

 

C.S. Ravindramani.

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:

 

>

>

> It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come up with this

> " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when you got the powers

> to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact that not all can

> prescribe mantras.

>

> You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr regions " (for which

> there is no astrological reason at all)

>

> You never answered the logic for your " so called " " mundane " predictions

> which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days can predict.

>

> You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda's death because you knew

> the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted with hundreds of

> similar charts where such combinations are present and you would be made to

> eat your words.

>

> So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show your worth or else

> show your ........

>

> still wishing good for you.....

>

> Manoj

>

> ________________________________

> utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi<utkal.panigrahi%40>

> >

> <%40>

>

> Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM

> Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts

> & Today's Confusions

>

>

>

>

> Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still do a self study

> and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding.

>

> , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi,

> >

> > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of reading. Whenever

> a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it as it suits

> your needs. You in this particular mail write about the methods of Dr.

> B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants, but give no

> example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in perhaps 3 years,

> compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by spending their

> entire life on it.

> >

> > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological principles and not

> for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote about Swami

> Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I can give you

> charts where similar placements are present but the persons are still

> alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a finger to your

> heart and find out the reality.

> >

> > best wishes,

> >

> > Manoj

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> >

> > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM

> > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts

> & Today's Confusions

> >

> > Â

> >

> >

> > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of phalit jyotish or

> > predictive astrology.

> >

> > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions of 3.20

> > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 degrees, each

> > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by 12 navamsas

> in

> > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi which is

> mesha,

> > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

> >

> > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha rashi's first

> > navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

> >

> > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do have predictive

> > implications internal to the that rashi,

> >

> > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis within the

> > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is no way

> > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, Planets cast

> their

> > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a rashi receives

> > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi receives same

> > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees.

> >

> > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and make a

> chart,

> > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put toghather, navamsa

> > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those navamsas or

> > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at the time of

> > birth.

> >

> > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees having a

> > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for the ease of

> the

> > astrologers only, who started such division charts are not known, but,

> > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, Our sages

> have

> > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they only talked

> about

> > division or amsa.

> >

> > The navamsa and other such charts which came into existence for the

> ease

> > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when astrologer

> > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore question of

> aspects

> > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc emerged.

> >

> > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and other divisional

> > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, take a case,

> > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of simha (Leo), and

> > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, We w'd find

> > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other in Mesha,

> > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna chart, no

> > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition based on their

> > conjunction is wrong.

> >

> > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, It's a pity

> that

> > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, rushing

> more

> > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should understand

> > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa occupied by

> > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, this is the

> very

> > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other divisions and

> have

> > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or other divisions,

> > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of NAVAMSA CHART

> or

> > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further confusions in

> > making predictions like most astrologers are having today.

> >

> > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd stop taking

> > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or Iyear's

> > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner of Jyotish as

> > stated by sages, however, it depends on them.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Recourse, Ravindramani_jee or the ESCAPE-door into another realm? Religion,

tantra etc...?? Or in other words " PLAN-B " perhaps, simply stated?

 

RR_,

 

, " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani

wrote:

>

> When so called techniques are not working, there is only one recourse

> available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe proxy poojas.

> You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " .

>

> C.S. Ravindramani.

[Guest guest]

There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and remedies have

not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise their voice!

Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription properly, or the

STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-(

 

What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the man-monies!

Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow human beings,

to save the gullible ones from such tricksters?

 

Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many other ways in

KALIYUG!

 

Neelam

 

 

 

On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani wrote:

 

>

>

> When so called techniques are not working, there is only one recourse

> available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe proxy poojas.

> You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " .

>

> C.S. Ravindramani.

>

>

> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar

<mouji99<mouji99%40>>

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come up with this

> > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when you got the

> powers

> > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact that not all

> can

> > prescribe mantras.

> >

> > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr regions " (for

> which

> > there is no astrological reason at all)

> >

> > You never answered the logic for your " so called " " mundane " predictions

> > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days can predict.

> >

> > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda's death because you

> knew

> > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted with hundreds of

> > similar charts where such combinations are present and you would be made

> to

> > eat your words.

> >

> > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show your worth or else

> > show your ........

> >

> > still wishing good for you.....

> >

> > Manoj

> >

> > ________________________________

> > utkal.panigrahi

<utkal.panigrahi<utkal.panigrahi%40>

> <utkal.panigrahi%40>

> > >

> >

<%40><%

> 40>

>

> >

> > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM

> > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional

> Charts

> > & Today's Confusions

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still do a self study

> > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding.

> >

> > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi,

> > >

> > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of reading. Whenever

> > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it as it suits

> > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the methods of Dr.

> > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants, but give no

> > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in perhaps 3 years,

> > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by spending their

> > entire life on it.

> > >

> > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological principles and not

> > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote about Swami

> > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I can give you

> > charts where similar placements are present but the persons are still

> > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a finger to your

> > heart and find out the reality.

> > >

> > > best wishes,

> > >

> > > Manoj

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > >

> > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM

> > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts

> > & Today's Confusions

> > >

> > > Â

> > >

> > >

> > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of phalit jyotish or

> > > predictive astrology.

> > >

> > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions of 3.20

> > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 degrees, each

> > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by 12 navamsas

> > in

> > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi which is

> > mesha,

> > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

> > >

> > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha rashi's first

> > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

> > >

> > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do have predictive

> > > implications internal to the that rashi,

> > >

> > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis within the

> > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is no way

> > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, Planets cast

> > their

> > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a rashi receives

> > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi receives same

> > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees.

> > >

> > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and make a

> > chart,

> > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put toghather, navamsa

> > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those navamsas or

> > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at the time of

> > > birth.

> > >

> > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees having a

> > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for the ease of

> > the

> > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are not known, but,

> > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, Our sages

> > have

> > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they only talked

> > about

> > > division or amsa.

> > >

> > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into existence for the

> > ease

> > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when astrologer

> > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore question of

> > aspects

> > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc emerged.

> > >

> > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and other divisional

> > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, take a case,

> > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of simha (Leo), and

> > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, We w'd find

> > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other in Mesha,

> > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna chart, no

> > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition based on their

> > > conjunction is wrong.

> > >

> > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, It's a pity

> > that

> > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, rushing

> > more

> > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should understand

> > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa occupied by

> > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, this is the

> > very

> > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other divisions and

> > have

> > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or other divisions,

> > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of NAVAMSA CHART

> > or

> > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further confusions in

> > > making predictions like most astrologers are having today.

> > >

> > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd stop taking

> > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or Iyear's

> > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner of Jyotish as

> > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga!

 

To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to speak up and join

their voices until democracy arrives!

 

Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was derogatorily called

-- did?

 

Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around this very epoch

many decades ago!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and remedies have

> not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise their voice!

> Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription properly, or the

> STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-(

>

> What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the man-monies!

> Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow human beings,

> to save the gullible ones from such tricksters?

>

> Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many other ways in

> KALIYUG!

>

> Neelam

>

>

>

> On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one recourse

> > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe proxy poojas.

> > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " .

> >

> > C.S. Ravindramani.

> >

> >

> > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar

<mouji99<mouji99%40>>

> > wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come up with this

> > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when you got the

> > powers

> > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact that not all

> > can

> > > prescribe mantras.

> > >

> > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr regions " (for

> > which

> > > there is no astrological reason at all)

> > >

> > > You never answered the logic for your " so called " " mundane " predictions

> > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days can predict.

> > >

> > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda's death because you

> > knew

> > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted with hundreds of

> > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you would be made

> > to

> > > eat your words.

> > >

> > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show your worth or else

> > > show your ........

> > >

> > > still wishing good for you.....

> > >

> > > Manoj

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi<utkal.panigrahi%40>

> > <utkal.panigrahi%40>

> > > >

> > >

<%40><%

> > 40>

> >

> > >

> > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM

> > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional

> > Charts

> > > & Today's Confusions

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still do a self study

> > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding.

> > >

> > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi,

> > > >

> > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of reading. Whenever

> > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it as it suits

> > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the methods of Dr.

> > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants, but give no

> > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in perhaps 3 years,

> > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by spending their

> > > entire life on it.

> > > >

> > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological principles and not

> > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote about Swami

> > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I can give you

> > > charts where similar placements are present but the persons are still

> > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a finger to your

> > > heart and find out the reality.

> > > >

> > > > best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Manoj

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > >

> > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM

> > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts

> > > & Today's Confusions

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of phalit jyotish or

> > > > predictive astrology.

> > > >

> > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions of 3.20

> > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 degrees, each

> > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by 12 navamsas

> > > in

> > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi which is

> > > mesha,

> > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

> > > >

> > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha rashi's first

> > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

> > > >

> > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do have predictive

> > > > implications internal to the that rashi,

> > > >

> > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis within the

> > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is no way

> > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, Planets cast

> > > their

> > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a rashi receives

> > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi receives same

> > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees.

> > > >

> > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and make a

> > > chart,

> > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put toghather, navamsa

> > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those navamsas or

> > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at the time of

> > > > birth.

> > > >

> > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees having a

> > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for the ease of

> > > the

> > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are not known, but,

> > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, Our sages

> > > have

> > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they only talked

> > > about

> > > > division or amsa.

> > > >

> > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into existence for the

> > > ease

> > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when astrologer

> > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore question of

> > > aspects

> > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc emerged.

> > > >

> > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and other divisional

> > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, take a case,

> > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of simha (Leo), and

> > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, We w'd find

> > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other in Mesha,

> > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna chart, no

> > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition based on their

> > > > conjunction is wrong.

> > > >

> > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, It's a pity

> > > that

> > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, rushing

> > > more

> > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should understand

> > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa occupied by

> > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, this is the

> > > very

> > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other divisions and

> > > have

> > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or other divisions,

> > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of NAVAMSA CHART

> > > or

> > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further confusions in

> > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having today.

> > > >

> > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd stop taking

> > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or Iyear's

> > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner of Jyotish as

> > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Maybe - Kaliyuga is special!

DEMOcrazy arrives, but how? We just heard about the Democratic ways of the

little TEAR DROP!

Not to forget, the place has special blessings of Buddha!

 

Regards

Neelam

 

On 1 February 2010 10:19, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

>

>

> Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga!

>

> To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to speak up and

> join their voices until democracy arrives!

>

> Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was derogatorily

> called -- did?

>

> Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around this very

> epoch many decades ago!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

> <%40>,

> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

> >

> > There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and remedies

> have

> > not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise their voice!

> > Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription properly, or

> the

> > STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-(

> >

> > What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the man-monies!

> > Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow human

> beings,

> > to save the gullible ones from such tricksters?

> >

> > Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many other ways in

> > KALIYUG!

> >

> > Neelam

> >

> >

> >

> > On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one recourse

> > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe proxy

> poojas.

> > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " .

> > >

> > > C.S. Ravindramani.

> > >

> > >

> > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99<mouji99%

> 40>>

>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come up with

> this

> > > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when you got the

> > > powers

> > > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact that not

> all

> > > can

> > > > prescribe mantras.

> > > >

> > > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr regions " (for

> > > which

> > > > there is no astrological reason at all)

> > > >

> > > > You never answered the logic for your " so called " " mundane "

> predictions

> > > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days can predict.

> > > >

> > > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda's death because

> you

> > > knew

> > > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted with hundreds

> of

> > > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you would be

> made

> > > to

> > > > eat your words.

> > > >

> > > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show your worth or

> else

> > > > show your ........

> > > >

> > > > still wishing good for you.....

> > > >

> > > > Manoj

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi<utkal.panigrahi%

> 40>

> > > <utkal.panigrahi%40>

> > > > >

> > > >

<%40><%

> 40><%

>

> > > 40>

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM

> > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional

> > > Charts

> > > > & Today's Confusions

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still do a self

> study

> > > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding.

> > > >

> > > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ >

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi,

> > > > >

> > > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of reading.

> Whenever

> > > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it as it

> suits

> > > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the methods of

> Dr.

> > > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants, but give

> no

> > > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in perhaps 3

> years,

> > > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by spending their

> > > > entire life on it.

> > > > >

> > > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological principles and

> not

> > > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote about

> Swami

> > > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I can give you

> > > > charts where similar placements are present but the persons are still

> > > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a finger to

> your

> > > > heart and find out the reality.

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > Manoj

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > >

> > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM

> > > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional

> Charts

> > > > & Today's Confusions

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of phalit jyotish

> or

> > > > > predictive astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions of 3.20

> > > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 degrees,

> each

> > > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by 12

> navamsas

> > > > in

> > > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi which is

> > > > mesha,

> > > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

> > > > >

> > > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha rashi's first

> > > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

> > > > >

> > > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do have

> predictive

> > > > > implications internal to the that rashi,

> > > > >

> > > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis within

> the

> > > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is no way

> > > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, Planets cast

> > > > their

> > > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a rashi

> receives

> > > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi receives same

> > > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees.

> > > > >

> > > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and make a

> > > > chart,

> > > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put toghather,

> navamsa

> > > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those navamsas

> or

> > > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at the time

> of

> > > > > birth.

> > > > >

> > > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees having a

> > > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for the ease of

> > > > the

> > > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are not known,

> but,

> > > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, Our sages

> > > > have

> > > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they only talked

> > > > about

> > > > > division or amsa.

> > > > >

> > > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into existence for the

> > > > ease

> > > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when

> astrologer

> > > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore question of

> > > > aspects

> > > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc emerged.

> > > > >

> > > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and other

> divisional

> > > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, take a

> case,

> > > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of simha (Leo),

> and

> > > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, We w'd

> find

> > > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other in Mesha,

> > > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna chart, no

> > > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition based on

> their

> > > > > conjunction is wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, It's a pity

> > > > that

> > > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, rushing

> > > > more

> > > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should

> understand

> > > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa occupied

> by

> > > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, this is the

> > > > very

> > > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other divisions and

> > > > have

> > > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or other

> divisions,

> > > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of NAVAMSA

> CHART

> > > > or

> > > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further confusions

> in

> > > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having today.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd stop

> taking

> > > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or Iyear's

> > > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner of Jyotish

> as

> > > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them.

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Buddha had many places where he RESTS -- as I was told!

 

As a child, I visited Sanchi and was told that Gautama's 'asthis' were buried

under the Stupa! Beautiful structure but felt kind of weird to a 9 year old!

Asthi??

 

When the same child visited Sarnath, decades later, he was told something

similar! He smiled, that time!

 

As long as each one of us grow or at least keep growing ... The OLD Buddhaa

continues to bless all of us and continues to remain ALIVE!

 

Won't you agree?

 

RR_,

 

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Maybe - Kaliyuga is special!

> DEMOcrazy arrives, but how? We just heard about the Democratic ways of the

> little TEAR DROP!

> Not to forget, the place has special blessings of Buddha!

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> On 1 February 2010 10:19, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga!

> >

> > To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to speak up and

> > join their voices until democracy arrives!

> >

> > Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was derogatorily

> > called -- did?

> >

> > Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around this very

> > epoch many decades ago!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> > <%40>,

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and remedies

> > have

> > > not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise their voice!

> > > Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription properly, or

> > the

> > > STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-(

> > >

> > > What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the man-monies!

> > > Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow human

> > beings,

> > > to save the gullible ones from such tricksters?

> > >

> > > Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many other ways in

> > > KALIYUG!

> > >

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one recourse

> > > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe proxy

> > poojas.

> > > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " .

> > > >

> > > > C.S. Ravindramani.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@<mouji99%

> > 40>>

> >

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come up with

> > this

> > > > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when you got the

> > > > powers

> > > > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact that not

> > all

> > > > can

> > > > > prescribe mantras.

> > > > >

> > > > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr regions " (for

> > > > which

> > > > > there is no astrological reason at all)

> > > > >

> > > > > You never answered the logic for your " so called " " mundane "

> > predictions

> > > > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days can predict.

> > > > >

> > > > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda's death because

> > you

> > > > knew

> > > > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted with hundreds

> > of

> > > > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you would be

> > made

> > > > to

> > > > > eat your words.

> > > > >

> > > > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show your worth or

> > else

> > > > > show your ........

> > > > >

> > > > > still wishing good for you.....

> > > > >

> > > > > Manoj

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@<utkal.panigrahi%

> > 40>

> > > > <utkal.panigrahi%40>

> > > > > >

> > > > >

<%40><%

> > 40><%

> >

> > > > 40>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM

> > > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional

> > > > Charts

> > > > > & Today's Confusions

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still do a self

> > study

> > > > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding.

> > > > >

> > > > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ >

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of reading.

> > Whenever

> > > > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it as it

> > suits

> > > > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the methods of

> > Dr.

> > > > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants, but give

> > no

> > > > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in perhaps 3

> > years,

> > > > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by spending their

> > > > > entire life on it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological principles and

> > not

> > > > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote about

> > Swami

> > > > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I can give you

> > > > > charts where similar placements are present but the persons are still

> > > > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a finger to

> > your

> > > > > heart and find out the reality.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Manoj

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM

> > > > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional

> > Charts

> > > > > & Today's Confusions

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of phalit jyotish

> > or

> > > > > > predictive astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions of 3.20

> > > > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 degrees,

> > each

> > > > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by 12

> > navamsas

> > > > > in

> > > > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi which is

> > > > > mesha,

> > > > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha rashi's first

> > > > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do have

> > predictive

> > > > > > implications internal to the that rashi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis within

> > the

> > > > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is no way

> > > > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, Planets cast

> > > > > their

> > > > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a rashi

> > receives

> > > > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi receives same

> > > > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and make a

> > > > > chart,

> > > > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put toghather,

> > navamsa

> > > > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those navamsas

> > or

> > > > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at the time

> > of

> > > > > > birth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees having a

> > > > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for the ease of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are not known,

> > but,

> > > > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, Our sages

> > > > > have

> > > > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they only talked

> > > > > about

> > > > > > division or amsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into existence for the

> > > > > ease

> > > > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when

> > astrologer

> > > > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore question of

> > > > > aspects

> > > > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc emerged.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and other

> > divisional

> > > > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, take a

> > case,

> > > > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of simha (Leo),

> > and

> > > > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, We w'd

> > find

> > > > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other in Mesha,

> > > > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna chart, no

> > > > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition based on

> > their

> > > > > > conjunction is wrong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, It's a pity

> > > > > that

> > > > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, rushing

> > > > > more

> > > > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should

> > understand

> > > > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa occupied

> > by

> > > > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, this is the

> > > > > very

> > > > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other divisions and

> > > > > have

> > > > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or other

> > divisions,

> > > > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of NAVAMSA

> > CHART

> > > > > or

> > > > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further confusions

> > in

> > > > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having today.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd stop

> > taking

> > > > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or Iyear's

> > > > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner of Jyotish

> > as

> > > > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Sir I am a desi.

 

I dont know this much Angrezi.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:16 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vaniwrote:

 

>

>

> Recourse, Ravindramani_jee or the ESCAPE-door into another realm? Religion,

> tantra etc...?? Or in other words " PLAN-B " perhaps, simply stated?

>

> RR_,

>

>

> <%40>,

> " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani wrote:

> >

> > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one recourse

> > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe proxy poojas.

> > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " .

> >

> > C.S. Ravindramani.

>

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Let us say you entered Ma's kitchen while SHE was preparing mithaayis for the

festival (first offered to the Devas and then to be consumed greedily by the

humans in her life -- for whom the sweets were really prepared for --

lovingly!)!

 

You were tempted and picked one MITHAYI and just as you were going to taste and

eat it, MA returns to the KITCHEN (The scene of CRIME!).

 

What would you do ...? Regardless of whether you are Desi or Angrezi or German

or Jew or Chinese or Nordic or whoever...?

 

What would be your PLAN-B (=escape route!)?

 

 

 

RR_,

 

 

 

, " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani

wrote:

>

> Sir I am a desi.

>

> I dont know this much Angrezi.

>

> Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

>

> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:16 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vaniwrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Recourse, Ravindramani_jee or the ESCAPE-door into another realm? Religion,

> > tantra etc...?? Or in other words " PLAN-B " perhaps, simply stated?

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> >

> > <%40>,

> > " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one recourse

> > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe proxy poojas.

> > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " .

> > >

> > > C.S. Ravindramani.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Neelam,

 

1. Mantras do work, mantras are one of the basic framework of our religion, do

not pass sweeping statements letting down truth and religion.

 

2. If you know instances of your life when mantras have not worked, you should

have gone for knowing the reasons why you failed to see or fail to realize

working of mantra, did you do that.

 

I have done that in my life.

 

What i said about using navamsa is said by parashara, kalyan verma,

dhundhiraj,mantreswara and several others.

 

You decide whose astrology you follow - vedic seer's, classics and morever an

astrology based on true principles and flawless logic or you follow errorneous

practise done by those people who taught you astrology in an institution.

However, choice is yours, with vedic approach you won't do as many mistakes as

you do with current faulty approach.

 

Why dont you verify both the approaches on cönfirmed authentic birth data along

with biography of some natives and come up with your findings.

 

Till then, don't do cribbing.

 

Thanks,

Utkal.

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Maybe - Kaliyuga is special!

> DEMOcrazy arrives, but how? We just heard about the Democratic ways of the

> little TEAR DROP!

> Not to forget, the place has special blessings of Buddha!

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> On 1 February 2010 10:19, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga!

> >

> > To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to speak up and

> > join their voices until democracy arrives!

> >

> > Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was derogatorily

> > called -- did?

> >

> > Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around this very

> > epoch many decades ago!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> > <%40>,

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and remedies

> > have

> > > not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise their voice!

> > > Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription properly, or

> > the

> > > STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-(

> > >

> > > What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the man-monies!

> > > Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow human

> > beings,

> > > to save the gullible ones from such tricksters?

> > >

> > > Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many other ways in

> > > KALIYUG!

> > >

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one recourse

> > > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe proxy

> > poojas.

> > > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " .

> > > >

> > > > C.S. Ravindramani.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@<mouji99%

> > 40>>

> >

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come up with

> > this

> > > > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when you got the

> > > > powers

> > > > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact that not

> > all

> > > > can

> > > > > prescribe mantras.

> > > > >

> > > > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr regions " (for

> > > > which

> > > > > there is no astrological reason at all)

> > > > >

> > > > > You never answered the logic for your " so called " " mundane "

> > predictions

> > > > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days can predict.

> > > > >

> > > > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda's death because

> > you

> > > > knew

> > > > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted with hundreds

> > of

> > > > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you would be

> > made

> > > > to

> > > > > eat your words.

> > > > >

> > > > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show your worth or

> > else

> > > > > show your ........

> > > > >

> > > > > still wishing good for you.....

> > > > >

> > > > > Manoj

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@<utkal.panigrahi%

> > 40>

> > > > <utkal.panigrahi%40>

> > > > > >

> > > > >

<%40><%

> > 40><%

> >

> > > > 40>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM

> > > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional

> > > > Charts

> > > > > & Today's Confusions

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still do a self

> > study

> > > > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding.

> > > > >

> > > > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ >

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of reading.

> > Whenever

> > > > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it as it

> > suits

> > > > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the methods of

> > Dr.

> > > > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants, but give

> > no

> > > > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in perhaps 3

> > years,

> > > > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by spending their

> > > > > entire life on it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological principles and

> > not

> > > > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote about

> > Swami

> > > > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I can give you

> > > > > charts where similar placements are present but the persons are still

> > > > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a finger to

> > your

> > > > > heart and find out the reality.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Manoj

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM

> > > > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional

> > Charts

> > > > > & Today's Confusions

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of phalit jyotish

> > or

> > > > > > predictive astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions of 3.20

> > > > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 degrees,

> > each

> > > > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by 12

> > navamsas

> > > > > in

> > > > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi which is

> > > > > mesha,

> > > > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha rashi's first

> > > > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do have

> > predictive

> > > > > > implications internal to the that rashi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis within

> > the

> > > > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is no way

> > > > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, Planets cast

> > > > > their

> > > > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a rashi

> > receives

> > > > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi receives same

> > > > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and make a

> > > > > chart,

> > > > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put toghather,

> > navamsa

> > > > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those navamsas

> > or

> > > > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at the time

> > of

> > > > > > birth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees having a

> > > > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for the ease of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are not known,

> > but,

> > > > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, Our sages

> > > > > have

> > > > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they only talked

> > > > > about

> > > > > > division or amsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into existence for the

> > > > > ease

> > > > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when

> > astrologer

> > > > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore question of

> > > > > aspects

> > > > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc emerged.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and other

> > divisional

> > > > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, take a

> > case,

> > > > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of simha (Leo),

> > and

> > > > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, We w'd

> > find

> > > > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other in Mesha,

> > > > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna chart, no

> > > > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition based on

> > their

> > > > > > conjunction is wrong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, It's a pity

> > > > > that

> > > > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, rushing

> > > > > more

> > > > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should

> > understand

> > > > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa occupied

> > by

> > > > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, this is the

> > > > > very

> > > > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other divisions and

> > > > > have

> > > > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or other

> > divisions,

> > > > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of NAVAMSA

> > CHART

> > > > > or

> > > > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further confusions

> > in

> > > > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having today.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd stop

> > taking

> > > > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or Iyear's

> > > > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner of Jyotish

> > as

> > > > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes -- Mantras do work, (Utkal)_Jee...

 

Even when not applied " clinically " or as THEY claim: exactly BY THE BOOK! :-)

 

RR_,

 

 

 

 

 

, " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi

wrote:

>

> Neelam,

>

> 1. Mantras do work, mantras are one of the basic framework of our religion, do

not pass sweeping statements letting down truth and religion.

>

> 2. If you know instances of your life when mantras have not worked, you should

have gone for knowing the reasons why you failed to see or fail to realize

working of mantra, did you do that.

>

> I have done that in my life.

>

> What i said about using navamsa is said by parashara, kalyan verma,

dhundhiraj,mantreswara and several others.

>

> You decide whose astrology you follow - vedic seer's, classics and morever an

astrology based on true principles and flawless logic or you follow errorneous

practise done by those people who taught you astrology in an institution.

> However, choice is yours, with vedic approach you won't do as many mistakes as

you do with current faulty approach.

>

> Why dont you verify both the approaches on cönfirmed authentic birth data

along with biography of some natives and come up with your findings.

>

> Till then, don't do cribbing.

>

> Thanks,

> Utkal.

> , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> >

> > Maybe - Kaliyuga is special!

> > DEMOcrazy arrives, but how? We just heard about the Democratic ways of the

> > little TEAR DROP!

> > Not to forget, the place has special blessings of Buddha!

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> > On 1 February 2010 10:19, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga!

> > >

> > > To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to speak up and

> > > join their voices until democracy arrives!

> > >

> > > Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was derogatorily

> > > called -- did?

> > >

> > > Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around this very

> > > epoch many decades ago!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > >

> > > <%40>,

> > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and remedies

> > > have

> > > > not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise their voice!

> > > > Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription properly, or

> > > the

> > > > STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-(

> > > >

> > > > What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the man-monies!

> > > > Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow human

> > > beings,

> > > > to save the gullible ones from such tricksters?

> > > >

> > > > Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many other ways

in

> > > > KALIYUG!

> > > >

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one recourse

> > > > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe proxy

> > > poojas.

> > > > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " .

> > > > >

> > > > > C.S. Ravindramani.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@<mouji99%

> > > 40>>

> > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come up with

> > > this

> > > > > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when you got the

> > > > > powers

> > > > > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact that not

> > > all

> > > > > can

> > > > > > prescribe mantras.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr regions "

(for

> > > > > which

> > > > > > there is no astrological reason at all)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You never answered the logic for your " so called " " mundane "

> > > predictions

> > > > > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days can

predict.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda's death because

> > > you

> > > > > knew

> > > > > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted with hundreds

> > > of

> > > > > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you would be

> > > made

> > > > > to

> > > > > > eat your words.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show your worth or

> > > else

> > > > > > show your ........

> > > > > >

> > > > > > still wishing good for you.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Manoj

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@<utkal.panigrahi%

> > > 40>

> > > > > <utkal.panigrahi%40>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

<%40><%

> > > 40><%

> > >

> > > > > 40>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM

> > > > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional

> > > > > Charts

> > > > > > & Today's Confusions

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still do a self

> > > study

> > > > > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ >

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of reading.

> > > Whenever

> > > > > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it as it

> > > suits

> > > > > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the methods of

> > > Dr.

> > > > > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants, but

give

> > > no

> > > > > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in perhaps 3

> > > years,

> > > > > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by spending

their

> > > > > > entire life on it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological principles and

> > > not

> > > > > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote about

> > > Swami

> > > > > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I can give

you

> > > > > > charts where similar placements are present but the persons are

still

> > > > > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a finger to

> > > your

> > > > > > heart and find out the reality.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Manoj

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM

> > > > > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional

> > > Charts

> > > > > > & Today's Confusions

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of phalit

jyotish

> > > or

> > > > > > > predictive astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions of 3.20

> > > > > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 degrees,

> > > each

> > > > > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by 12

> > > navamsas

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi which is

> > > > > > mesha,

> > > > > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha rashi's first

> > > > > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do have

> > > predictive

> > > > > > > implications internal to the that rashi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis within

> > > the

> > > > > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is no way

> > > > > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, Planets cast

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a rashi

> > > receives

> > > > > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi receives same

> > > > > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and make a

> > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put toghather,

> > > navamsa

> > > > > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those navamsas

> > > or

> > > > > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at the time

> > > of

> > > > > > > birth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees having

a

> > > > > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for the ease

of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are not known,

> > > but,

> > > > > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, Our sages

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they only talked

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > division or amsa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into existence for

the

> > > > > > ease

> > > > > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when

> > > astrologer

> > > > > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore question of

> > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc emerged.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and other

> > > divisional

> > > > > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, take a

> > > case,

> > > > > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of simha (Leo),

> > > and

> > > > > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, We w'd

> > > find

> > > > > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other in

Mesha,

> > > > > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna chart, no

> > > > > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition based on

> > > their

> > > > > > > conjunction is wrong.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, It's a pity

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, rushing

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should

> > > understand

> > > > > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa occupied

> > > by

> > > > > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, this is

the

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other divisions and

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or other

> > > divisions,

> > > > > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of NAVAMSA

> > > CHART

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further confusions

> > > in

> > > > > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having today.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd stop

> > > taking

> > > > > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or Iyear's

> > > > > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner of

Jyotish

> > > as

> > > > > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Utkal jee,

 

You've mixed up some issues here.

 

Well, I never said that mantras did not work. They work wonders! I was not

questioning their use, but only contesting their abuse!

 

Astrology is not anyone’s patent which I must to, or follow! My

journey in astrology is my own and I do not promise that I shall keep my

eyes closed and only observe what I’ve been told to observe – ancient or

modern!

 

The enlightened one said, and it makes much sense to me, “our work is to

discover our world and then with all our heart give ourselves to it. " !!

I DO most humbly!

 

Best Wishes

Neelam

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I wish to clarify that my post about Navamsa was based on study of

following jyotish classics in my possession, None of the following

classics mention divisional horoscopes or Amsha Kundali or Varga kundali

the way Janma Kundali (natal chart) is mentioned by them, this is the

reason that there is no reference Navamsa bhava, Navamsa conjunctions or

Navamsa aspects on Navamsa bhava etc, vedic jyotish only suggests to

make table of Navamsas occupied by graha (planet) in a rashi of janma

kundali or natal chart and defines predictive attributes of planets

falling in those Navamsa or Amsas or set of degrees of named divisions

of same rashi as given in janma kundali or natal chart.

 

It appears that sages were doing efforts to define predictive attributes

of each degree of a nakshatra and rashi, Sage Kashyap's describes Padas

of Nakschatras and also identifies a Yogtara in the tara's of Nakshtras,

His description of Nakshatras gives can give a corrective foundation to

Krishnamurti Padhati which looks to be deviated from the vedic path and

therefore loosing predictive lustre, Sage Shukadeva seems to be first

who gave idea of Mritu Bhaga, however, His proposition is largely

different then what's given in Jatak Parijata, Phaladeepika and Prashna

Marga.

 

I was asked by groups members about the base of my posting, therefore

this confirmatory post is done.

 

 

Classics by Sages :

 

Sage Work

 

Lomash Lomash Samhita (700 verses)

Vasistha Vasistha Samhita

Bhrigu Bhrigu Samhita, Bhrigu Sutra

Kashyap Atharvan Jyotiosh

Parashuram Bhargav Nadika

Shukdeva Shuka Jatakm

Parashara Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra

Badrayana Prashna Vidya

 

 

Classics by Seers :

 

Seer Work

 

Satyacharya Satya jatak (Druva Nadi)

Bhaskaracharya Bhava Deepika

Ramanujacharya Bhavarh Ratnakar

 

 

Tantra Classics :

 

Lord Work

 

Punja Raja Shambu Hora Prakash

Shiav - Parvati Jyotisharnav Navneetam

Shiva - Parvati Rudrayamal Tantra

 

 

Nadi Classics :

 

Deva Keralam by R Santhanam

Suka Nadi by R Santhanam

 

 

Classics by Scholars :

 

Scholar Work

 

Prithu Vyasa Hora Sara

Venktesh Shastri Sarvarth Chintamani

Vaidyanath Jatak Parijaat

Kalyan Verman Sarawali

Kalidasa Uttar Kalamritam

Hema Prabhu Suri Triloka Jyotish (Jain Classic)

Dhundhiraj JatakBharanam

Jeevanath Bhava Kautuhalam

Balbhadra Mishra Hora Ratnam

Hara Shandilya ManSagri

Ramdina Daivagya Brihad Daivagya Ranjanam

Abdurahim Khan Khana Kheta Kautukam

Ram Dayalu Sanket Nidhi

Maha Dev pathak Jatak Tatva

Ram Rathna Ojha Phalit Vikas

Mukund Vallabh Mishra ShadVarga Phal Prakash

Mukund Daivagya Bhava Manjari, Phalit Martand

K N Sarawati Jatak Chandrika

 

I have deliberately not studied VarahMihira's work, I am open for any

discussion or debate on vedic view of Navamsa or any amsa or division.

 

Utkal.

 

, " utkal.panigrahi "

<utkal.panigrahi wrote:

>

> Neelam,

>

> 1. Mantras do work, mantras are one of the basic framework of our

religion, do not pass sweeping statements letting down truth and

religion.

>

> 2. If you know instances of your life when mantras have not worked,

you should have gone for knowing the reasons why you failed to see or

fail to realize working of mantra, did you do that.

>

> I have done that in my life.

>

> What i said about using navamsa is said by parashara, kalyan verma,

dhundhiraj,mantreswara and several others.

>

> You decide whose astrology you follow - vedic seer's, classics and

morever an astrology based on true principles and flawless logic or you

follow errorneous practise done by those people who taught you astrology

in an institution.

> However, choice is yours, with vedic approach you won't do as many

mistakes as you do with current faulty approach.

>

> Why dont you verify both the approaches on cönfirmed authentic

birth data along with biography of some natives and come up with your

findings.

>

> Till then, don't do cribbing.

>

> Thanks,

> Utkal.

> , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

wrote:

> >

> > Maybe - Kaliyuga is special!

> > DEMOcrazy arrives, but how? We just heard about the Democratic ways

of the

> > little TEAR DROP!

> > Not to forget, the place has special blessings of Buddha!

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> > On 1 February 2010 10:19, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga!

> > >

> > > To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to speak

up and

> > > join their voices until democracy arrives!

> > >

> > > Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was

derogatorily

> > > called -- did?

> > >

> > > Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around

this very

> > > epoch many decades ago!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > >

> > >

<%40>,

> > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and

remedies

> > > have

> > > > not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise their

voice!

> > > > Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription

properly, or

> > > the

> > > > STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-(

> > > >

> > > > What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the

man-monies!

> > > > Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow

human

> > > beings,

> > > > to save the gullible ones from such tricksters?

> > > >

> > > > Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many

other ways in

> > > > KALIYUG!

> > > >

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one

recourse

> > > > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe

proxy

> > > poojas.

> > > > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " .

> > > > >

> > > > > C.S. Ravindramani.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@<mouji99%

> > > 40>>

> > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come

up with

> > > this

> > > > > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when you

got the

> > > > > powers

> > > > > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact

that not

> > > all

> > > > > can

> > > > > > prescribe mantras.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr

regions " (for

> > > > > which

> > > > > > there is no astrological reason at all)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You never answered the logic for your " so called " " mundane "

> > > predictions

> > > > > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days can

predict.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda's death

because

> > > you

> > > > > knew

> > > > > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted with

hundreds

> > > of

> > > > > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you

would be

> > > made

> > > > > to

> > > > > > eat your words.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show your

worth or

> > > else

> > > > > > show your ........

> > > > > >

> > > > > > still wishing good for you.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Manoj

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@<utkal.panigrahi%

> > > 40>

> > > > > <utkal.panigrahi%40>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

<%40><%

> > > 40><%

> > >

> > > > > 40>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM

> > > > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and

Divisional

> > > > > Charts

> > > > > > & Today's Confusions

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still do

a self

> > > study

> > > > > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@

>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of

reading.

> > > Whenever

> > > > > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it

as it

> > > suits

> > > > > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the

methods of

> > > Dr.

> > > > > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants,

but give

> > > no

> > > > > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in

perhaps 3

> > > years,

> > > > > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by

spending their

> > > > > > entire life on it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological

principles and

> > > not

> > > > > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote

about

> > > Swami

> > > > > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I can

give you

> > > > > > charts where similar placements are present but the persons

are still

> > > > > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a

finger to

> > > your

> > > > > > heart and find out the reality.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Manoj

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM

> > > > > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and

Divisional

> > > Charts

> > > > > > & Today's Confusions

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of

phalit jyotish

> > > or

> > > > > > > predictive astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions

of 3.20

> > > > > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20

degrees,

> > > each

> > > > > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by

12

> > > navamsas

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi

which is

> > > > > > mesha,

> > > > > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha

rashi's first

> > > > > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do

have

> > > predictive

> > > > > > > implications internal to the that rashi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis

within

> > > the

> > > > > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is

no way

> > > > > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology,

Planets cast

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a

rashi

> > > receives

> > > > > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi

receives same

> > > > > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and

make a

> > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put

toghather,

> > > navamsa

> > > > > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those

navamsas

> > > or

> > > > > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at

the time

> > > of

> > > > > > > birth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees

having a

> > > > > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for

the ease of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are not

known,

> > > but,

> > > > > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart,

Our sages

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they

only talked

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > division or amsa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into

existence for the

> > > > > > ease

> > > > > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when

> > > astrologer

> > > > > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore

question of

> > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc

emerged.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and

other

> > > divisional

> > > > > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards,

take a

> > > case,

> > > > > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of

simha (Leo),

> > > and

> > > > > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now,

We w'd

> > > find

> > > > > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other

in Mesha,

> > > > > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna

chart, no

> > > > > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition

based on

> > > their

> > > > > > > conjunction is wrong.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading,

It's a pity

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact,

rushing

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should

> > > understand

> > > > > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa

occupied

> > > by

> > > > > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy,

this is the

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other

divisions and

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or

other

> > > divisions,

> > > > > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of

NAVAMSA

> > > CHART

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further

confusions

> > > in

> > > > > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having today.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd

stop

> > > taking

> > > > > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or

Iyear's

> > > > > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner

of Jyotish

> > > as

> > > > > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Utkal

With reference to use of nakshatra

I would like to contribute a little experience I had recently where another

astrologer had an identical chart to one I was reading, except natives of both

charts were born in different countries.

My client had Mars in third house along with Rahu Ju and Ve in Kumbha rasi, so

did the other chart of a gynaecologist born in India.

You would think my client would also be a gynaecologist due to same chart, but

it was the nakshatra placement of the planets that made the essential difference

to career choice, along with slight difference in dasa sequence. My client did

not have Mars ( mars ruling surgeons) L5/12 in satabhisha the nakshatra for

physicians, though both Venus and Jupiter were in that nakshatra, whereas the

gynaecologist did have mars in satabhisha.

So it would seem that the nakshatras are a useful guide to finding additional

information about how the planets will behave in rasi/real life without the need

to set up an additional chart to explain their influence?

cheers

Marg

 

-

utkal.panigrahi

Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:37 PM

Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts &

Today's Confusions

 

 

 

 

 

I wish to clarify that my post about Navamsa was based on study of

following jyotish classics in my possession, None of the following

classics mention divisional horoscopes or Amsha Kundali or Varga kundali

the way Janma Kundali (natal chart) is mentioned by them, this is the

reason that there is no reference Navamsa bhava, Navamsa conjunctions or

Navamsa aspects on Navamsa bhava etc, vedic jyotish only suggests to

make table of Navamsas occupied by graha (planet) in a rashi of janma

kundali or natal chart and defines predictive attributes of planets

falling in those Navamsa or Amsas or set of degrees of named divisions

of same rashi as given in janma kundali or natal chart.

 

It appears that sages were doing efforts to define predictive attributes

of each degree of a nakshatra and rashi, Sage Kashyap's describes Padas

of Nakschatras and also identifies a Yogtara in the tara's of Nakshtras,

His description of Nakshatras gives can give a corrective foundation to

Krishnamurti Padhati which looks to be deviated from the vedic path and

therefore loosing predictive lustre, Sage Shukadeva seems to be first

who gave idea of Mritu Bhaga, however, His proposition is largely

different then what's given in Jatak Parijata, Phaladeepika and Prashna

Marga.

 

I was asked by groups members about the base of my posting, therefore

this confirmatory post is done.

 

Classics by Sages :

 

Sage Work

 

Lomash Lomash Samhita (700 verses)

Vasistha Vasistha Samhita

Bhrigu Bhrigu Samhita, Bhrigu Sutra

Kashyap Atharvan Jyotiosh

Parashuram Bhargav Nadika

Shukdeva Shuka Jatakm

Parashara Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra

Badrayana Prashna Vidya

 

Classics by Seers :

 

Seer Work

 

Satyacharya Satya jatak (Druva Nadi)

Bhaskaracharya Bhava Deepika

Ramanujacharya Bhavarh Ratnakar

 

Tantra Classics :

 

Lord Work

 

Punja Raja Shambu Hora Prakash

Shiav - Parvati Jyotisharnav Navneetam

Shiva - Parvati Rudrayamal Tantra

 

Nadi Classics :

 

Deva Keralam by R Santhanam

Suka Nadi by R Santhanam

 

Classics by Scholars :

 

Scholar Work

 

Prithu Vyasa Hora Sara

Venktesh Shastri Sarvarth Chintamani

Vaidyanath Jatak Parijaat

Kalyan Verman Sarawali

Kalidasa Uttar Kalamritam

Hema Prabhu Suri Triloka Jyotish (Jain Classic)

Dhundhiraj JatakBharanam

Jeevanath Bhava Kautuhalam

Balbhadra Mishra Hora Ratnam

Hara Shandilya ManSagri

Ramdina Daivagya Brihad Daivagya Ranjanam

Abdurahim Khan Khana Kheta Kautukam

Ram Dayalu Sanket Nidhi

Maha Dev pathak Jatak Tatva

Ram Rathna Ojha Phalit Vikas

Mukund Vallabh Mishra ShadVarga Phal Prakash

Mukund Daivagya Bhava Manjari, Phalit Martand

K N Sarawati Jatak Chandrika

 

I have deliberately not studied VarahMihira's work, I am open for any

discussion or debate on vedic view of Navamsa or any amsa or division.

 

Utkal.

 

, " utkal.panigrahi "

<utkal.panigrahi wrote:

>

> Neelam,

>

> 1. Mantras do work, mantras are one of the basic framework of our

religion, do not pass sweeping statements letting down truth and

religion.

>

> 2. If you know instances of your life when mantras have not worked,

you should have gone for knowing the reasons why you failed to see or

fail to realize working of mantra, did you do that.

>

> I have done that in my life.

>

> What i said about using navamsa is said by parashara, kalyan verma,

dhundhiraj,mantreswara and several others.

>

> You decide whose astrology you follow - vedic seer's, classics and

morever an astrology based on true principles and flawless logic or you

follow errorneous practise done by those people who taught you astrology

in an institution.

> However, choice is yours, with vedic approach you won't do as many

mistakes as you do with current faulty approach.

>

> Why dont you verify both the approaches on cönfirmed authentic

birth data along with biography of some natives and come up with your

findings.

>

> Till then, don't do cribbing.

>

> Thanks,

> Utkal.

> , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

wrote:

> >

> > Maybe - Kaliyuga is special!

> > DEMOcrazy arrives, but how? We just heard about the Democratic ways

of the

> > little TEAR DROP!

> > Not to forget, the place has special blessings of Buddha!

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> > On 1 February 2010 10:19, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga!

> > >

> > > To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to speak

up and

> > > join their voices until democracy arrives!

> > >

> > > Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was

derogatorily

> > > called -- did?

> > >

> > > Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around

this very

> > > epoch many decades ago!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > >

> > >

<%40>,

> > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and

remedies

> > > have

> > > > not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise their

voice!

> > > > Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription

properly, or

> > > the

> > > > STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-(

> > > >

> > > > What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the

man-monies!

> > > > Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow

human

> > > beings,

> > > > to save the gullible ones from such tricksters?

> > > >

> > > > Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many

other ways in

> > > > KALIYUG!

> > > >

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one

recourse

> > > > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe

proxy

> > > poojas.

> > > > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " .

> > > > >

> > > > > C.S. Ravindramani.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@<mouji99%

> > > 40>>

> > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come

up with

> > > this

> > > > > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when you

got the

> > > > > powers

> > > > > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact

that not

> > > all

> > > > > can

> > > > > > prescribe mantras.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr

regions " (for

> > > > > which

> > > > > > there is no astrological reason at all)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You never answered the logic for your " so called " " mundane "

> > > predictions

> > > > > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days can

predict.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda's death

because

> > > you

> > > > > knew

> > > > > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted with

hundreds

> > > of

> > > > > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you

would be

> > > made

> > > > > to

> > > > > > eat your words.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show your

worth or

> > > else

> > > > > > show your ........

> > > > > >

> > > > > > still wishing good for you.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Manoj

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@<utkal.panigrahi%

> > > 40>

> > > > > <utkal.panigrahi%40>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

<%40><%

> > > 40><%

> > >

> > > > > 40>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM

> > > > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and

Divisional

> > > > > Charts

> > > > > > & Today's Confusions

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still do

a self

> > > study

> > > > > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@

>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of

reading.

> > > Whenever

> > > > > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it

as it

> > > suits

> > > > > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the

methods of

> > > Dr.

> > > > > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants,

but give

> > > no

> > > > > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in

perhaps 3

> > > years,

> > > > > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by

spending their

> > > > > > entire life on it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological

principles and

> > > not

> > > > > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote

about

> > > Swami

> > > > > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I can

give you

> > > > > > charts where similar placements are present but the persons

are still

> > > > > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a

finger to

> > > your

> > > > > > heart and find out the reality.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Manoj

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM

> > > > > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and

Divisional

> > > Charts

> > > > > > & Today's Confusions

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of

phalit jyotish

> > > or

> > > > > > > predictive astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions

of 3.20

> > > > > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20

degrees,

> > > each

> > > > > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by

12

> > > navamsas

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi

which is

> > > > > > mesha,

> > > > > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha

rashi's first

> > > > > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do

have

> > > predictive

> > > > > > > implications internal to the that rashi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis

within

> > > the

> > > > > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is

no way

> > > > > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology,

Planets cast

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a

rashi

> > > receives

> > > > > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi

receives same

> > > > > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and

make a

> > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put

toghather,

> > > navamsa

> > > > > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those

navamsas

> > > or

> > > > > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at

the time

> > > of

> > > > > > > birth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees

having a

> > > > > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for

the ease of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are not

known,

> > > but,

> > > > > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart,

Our sages

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they

only talked

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > division or amsa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into

existence for the

> > > > > > ease

> > > > > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when

> > > astrologer

> > > > > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore

question of

> > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc

emerged.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and

other

> > > divisional

> > > > > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards,

take a

> > > case,

> > > > > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of

simha (Leo),

> > > and

> > > > > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now,

We w'd

> > > find

> > > > > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other

in Mesha,

> > > > > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna

chart, no

> > > > > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition

based on

> > > their

> > > > > > > conjunction is wrong.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading,

It's a pity

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact,

rushing

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should

> > > understand

> > > > > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa

occupied

> > > by

> > > > > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy,

this is the

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other

divisions and

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or

other

> > > divisions,

> > > > > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of

NAVAMSA

> > > CHART

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further

confusions

> > > in

> > > > > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having today.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd

stop

> > > taking

> > > > > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or

Iyear's

> > > > > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner

of Jyotish

> > > as

> > > > > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Marg,

 

It's encouraging to know from you that nakshatra's implication is being

noticed, Hope ,group will regain it's lost lustre soon with scholarly

people's activism.

 

How you think about europe's perception about impact of chinese stupid

agression.

 

regards,

Utkal.

 

 

 

 

, " Marg " <margie9 wrote:

>

> Dear Utkal

> With reference to use of nakshatra

> I would like to contribute a little experience I had recently where

another astrologer had an identical chart to one I was reading, except

natives of both charts were born in different countries.

> My client had Mars in third house along with Rahu Ju and Ve in Kumbha

rasi, so did the other chart of a gynaecologist born in India.

> You would think my client would also be a gynaecologist due to same

chart, but it was the nakshatra placement of the planets that made the

essential difference to career choice, along with slight difference in

dasa sequence. My client did not have Mars ( mars ruling surgeons) L5/12

in satabhisha the nakshatra for physicians, though both Venus and

Jupiter were in that nakshatra, whereas the gynaecologist did have mars

in satabhisha.

> So it would seem that the nakshatras are a useful guide to finding

additional information about how the planets will behave in rasi/real

life without the need to set up an additional chart to explain their

influence?

> cheers

> Marg

>

> -

> utkal.panigrahi

>

> Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:37 PM

> Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional

Charts & Today's Confusions

>

>

>

>

>

> I wish to clarify that my post about Navamsa was based on study of

> following jyotish classics in my possession, None of the following

> classics mention divisional horoscopes or Amsha Kundali or Varga

kundali

> the way Janma Kundali (natal chart) is mentioned by them, this is the

> reason that there is no reference Navamsa bhava, Navamsa conjunctions

or

> Navamsa aspects on Navamsa bhava etc, vedic jyotish only suggests to

> make table of Navamsas occupied by graha (planet) in a rashi of janma

> kundali or natal chart and defines predictive attributes of planets

> falling in those Navamsa or Amsas or set of degrees of named divisions

> of same rashi as given in janma kundali or natal chart.

>

> It appears that sages were doing efforts to define predictive

attributes

> of each degree of a nakshatra and rashi, Sage Kashyap's describes

Padas

> of Nakschatras and also identifies a Yogtara in the tara's of

Nakshtras,

> His description of Nakshatras gives can give a corrective foundation

to

> Krishnamurti Padhati which looks to be deviated from the vedic path

and

> therefore loosing predictive lustre, Sage Shukadeva seems to be first

> who gave idea of Mritu Bhaga, however, His proposition is largely

> different then what's given in Jatak Parijata, Phaladeepika and

Prashna

> Marga.

>

> I was asked by groups members about the base of my posting, therefore

> this confirmatory post is done.

>

> Classics by Sages :

>

> Sage Work

>

> Lomash Lomash Samhita (700 verses)

> Vasistha Vasistha Samhita

> Bhrigu Bhrigu Samhita, Bhrigu Sutra

> Kashyap Atharvan Jyotiosh

> Parashuram Bhargav Nadika

> Shukdeva Shuka Jatakm

> Parashara Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra

> Badrayana Prashna Vidya

>

> Classics by Seers :

>

> Seer Work

>

> Satyacharya Satya jatak (Druva Nadi)

> Bhaskaracharya Bhava Deepika

> Ramanujacharya Bhavarh Ratnakar

>

> Tantra Classics :

>

> Lord Work

>

> Punja Raja Shambu Hora Prakash

> Shiav - Parvati Jyotisharnav Navneetam

> Shiva - Parvati Rudrayamal Tantra

>

> Nadi Classics :

>

> Deva Keralam by R Santhanam

> Suka Nadi by R Santhanam

>

> Classics by Scholars :

>

> Scholar Work

>

> Prithu Vyasa Hora Sara

> Venktesh Shastri Sarvarth Chintamani

> Vaidyanath Jatak Parijaat

> Kalyan Verman Sarawali

> Kalidasa Uttar Kalamritam

> Hema Prabhu Suri Triloka Jyotish (Jain Classic)

> Dhundhiraj JatakBharanam

> Jeevanath Bhava Kautuhalam

> Balbhadra Mishra Hora Ratnam

> Hara Shandilya ManSagri

> Ramdina Daivagya Brihad Daivagya Ranjanam

> Abdurahim Khan Khana Kheta Kautukam

> Ram Dayalu Sanket Nidhi

> Maha Dev pathak Jatak Tatva

> Ram Rathna Ojha Phalit Vikas

> Mukund Vallabh Mishra ShadVarga Phal Prakash

> Mukund Daivagya Bhava Manjari, Phalit Martand

> K N Sarawati Jatak Chandrika

>

> I have deliberately not studied VarahMihira's work, I am open for any

> discussion or debate on vedic view of Navamsa or any amsa or division.

>

> Utkal.

>

> , " utkal.panigrahi "

> utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> >

> > Neelam,

> >

> > 1. Mantras do work, mantras are one of the basic framework of our

> religion, do not pass sweeping statements letting down truth and

> religion.

> >

> > 2. If you know instances of your life when mantras have not worked,

> you should have gone for knowing the reasons why you failed to see or

> fail to realize working of mantra, did you do that.

> >

> > I have done that in my life.

> >

> > What i said about using navamsa is said by parashara, kalyan verma,

> dhundhiraj,mantreswara and several others.

> >

> > You decide whose astrology you follow - vedic seer's, classics and

> morever an astrology based on true principles and flawless logic or

you

> follow errorneous practise done by those people who taught you

astrology

> in an institution.

> > However, choice is yours, with vedic approach you won't do as many

> mistakes as you do with current faulty approach.

> >

> > Why dont you verify both the approaches on cönfirmed authentic

> birth data along with biography of some natives and come up with your

> findings.

> >

> > Till then, don't do cribbing.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Utkal.

> > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Maybe - Kaliyuga is special!

> > > DEMOcrazy arrives, but how? We just heard about the Democratic

ways

> of the

> > > little TEAR DROP!

> > > Not to forget, the place has special blessings of Buddha!

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > > On 1 February 2010 10:19, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga!

> > > >

> > > > To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to

speak

> up and

> > > > join their voices until democracy arrives!

> > > >

> > > > Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was

> derogatorily

> > > > called -- did?

> > > >

> > > > Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around

> this very

> > > > epoch many decades ago!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> <%40>,

> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and

> remedies

> > > > have

> > > > > not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise

their

> voice!

> > > > > Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription

> properly, or

> > > > the

> > > > > STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-(

> > > > >

> > > > > What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the

> man-monies!

> > > > > Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow

> human

> > > > beings,

> > > > > to save the gullible ones from such tricksters?

> > > > >

> > > > > Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many

> other ways in

> > > > > KALIYUG!

> > > > >

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one

> recourse

> > > > > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe

> proxy

> > > > poojas.

> > > > > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > C.S. Ravindramani.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar

<mouji99@<mouji99%

> > > > 40>>

> > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come

> up with

> > > > this

> > > > > > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when

you

> got the

> > > > > > powers

> > > > > > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact

> that not

> > > > all

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > prescribe mantras.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr

> regions " (for

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > there is no astrological reason at all)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You never answered the logic for your " so called "

" mundane "

> > > > predictions

> > > > > > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days

can

> predict.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda's death

> because

> > > > you

> > > > > > knew

> > > > > > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted

with

> hundreds

> > > > of

> > > > > > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you

> would be

> > > > made

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > eat your words.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show

your

> worth or

> > > > else

> > > > > > > show your ........

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > still wishing good for you.....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Manoj

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@<utkal.panigrahi%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi%40>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> <%40><%

> > > > 40><%

> > > >

> > > > > > 40>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and

> Divisional

> > > > > > Charts

> > > > > > > & Today's Confusions

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still

do

> a self

> > > > study

> > > > > > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Manoj Kumar

<mouji99@

> >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of

> reading.

> > > > Whenever

> > > > > > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook

it

> as it

> > > > suits

> > > > > > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the

> methods of

> > > > Dr.

> > > > > > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological

giants,

> but give

> > > > no

> > > > > > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in

> perhaps 3

> > > > years,

> > > > > > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by

> spending their

> > > > > > > entire life on it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological

> principles and

> > > > not

> > > > > > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote

> about

> > > > Swami

> > > > > > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I

can

> give you

> > > > > > > charts where similar placements are present but the

persons

> are still

> > > > > > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a

> finger to

> > > > your

> > > > > > > heart and find out the reality.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Manoj

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM

> > > > > > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and

> Divisional

> > > > Charts

> > > > > > > & Today's Confusions

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of

> phalit jyotish

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > predictive astrology.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions

> of 3.20

> > > > > > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20

> degrees,

> > > > each

> > > > > > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by

> 12

> > > > navamsas

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi

> which is

> > > > > > > mesha,

> > > > > > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha

> rashi's first

> > > > > > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do

> have

> > > > predictive

> > > > > > > > implications internal to the that rashi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9

rashis

> within

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa

is

> no way

> > > > > > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology,

> Planets cast

> > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a

> rashi

> > > > receives

> > > > > > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi

> receives same

> > > > > > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division

and

> make a

> > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put

> toghather,

> > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those

> navamsas

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached

at

> the time

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > birth.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20

degrees

> having a

> > > > > > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for

> the ease of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are

not

> known,

> > > > but,

> > > > > > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart,

> Our sages

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they

> only talked

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > division or amsa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into

> existence for the

> > > > > > > ease

> > > > > > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood

when

> > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore

> question of

> > > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc

> emerged.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and

> other

> > > > divisional

> > > > > > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built

hazards,

> take a

> > > > case,

> > > > > > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of

> simha (Leo),

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus),

now,

> We w'd

> > > > find

> > > > > > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each

other

> in Mesha,

> > > > > > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna

> chart, no

> > > > > > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition

> based on

> > > > their

> > > > > > > > conjunction is wrong.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading,

> It's a pity

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the

fact,

> rushing

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they

should

> > > > understand

> > > > > > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular

amsa

> occupied

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy,

> this is the

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other

> divisions and

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or

> other

> > > > divisions,

> > > > > > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of

> NAVAMSA

> > > > CHART

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further

> confusions

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having

today.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers

w'd

> stop

> > > > taking

> > > > > > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or

> Iyear's

> > > > > > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner

> of Jyotish

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

There is book called " Yogis Destiny and Wheel of Time " wherein Shri K.N. Rao

mentions that only a " Mantra Drishta " (one who can see which mantra suits which

person) or a Siddha or a Yogi can prescribe Mantras. But it is indeed sad to see

that everyone is prescribing mantras not realising its wrath.

 

regards,

 

Manoj

 

 

 

 

________________________________

utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi

 

Mon, February 1, 2010 12:49:10 PM

Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts &

Today's Confusions

 

 

Neelam,

 

1. Mantras do work, mantras are one of the basic framework of our religion, do

not pass sweeping statements letting down truth and religion.

 

2. If you know instances of your life when mantras have not worked, you should

have gone for knowing the reasons why you failed to see or fail to realize

working of mantra, did you do that.

 

I have done that in my life.

 

What i said about using navamsa is said by parashara, kalyan verma,

dhundhiraj,mantresw ara and several others.

 

You decide whose astrology you follow - vedic seer's, classics and morever an

astrology based on true principles and flawless logic or you follow errorneous

practise done by those people who taught you astrology in an institution.

However, choice is yours, with vedic approach you won't do as many mistakes as

you do with current faulty approach.

 

Why dont you verify both the approaches on cönfirmed authentic birth data along

with biography of some natives and come up with your findings.

 

Till then, don't do cribbing.

 

Thanks,

Utkal.

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

>

> Maybe - Kaliyuga is special!

> DEMOcrazy arrives, but how? We just heard about the Democratic ways of the

> little TEAR DROP!

> Not to forget, the place has special blessings of Buddha!

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> On 1 February 2010 10:19, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga!

> >

> > To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to speak up and

> > join their voices until democracy arrives!

> >

> > Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was derogatorily

> > called -- did?

> >

> > Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around this very

> > epoch many decades ago!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> > <% 40. com>,

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and remedies

> > have

> > > not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise their voice!

> > > Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription properly, or

> > the

> > > STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-(

> > >

> > > What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the man-monies!

> > > Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow human

> > beings,

> > > to save the gullible ones from such tricksters?

> > >

> > > Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many other ways in

> > > KALIYUG!

> > >

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one recourse

> > > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe proxy

> > poojas.

> > > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " .

> > > >

> > > > C.S. Ravindramani.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@<mouji99%

> > 40> >

> >

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come up with

> > this

> > > > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when you got the

> > > > powers

> > > > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact that not

> > all

> > > > can

> > > > > prescribe mantras.

> > > > >

> > > > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr regions " (for

> > > > which

> > > > > there is no astrological reason at all)

> > > > >

> > > > > You never answered the logic for your " so called " " mundane "

> > predictions

> > > > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days can predict.

> > > > >

> > > > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda' s death because

> > you

> > > > knew

> > > > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted with hundreds

> > of

> > > > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you would be

> > made

> > > > to

> > > > > eat your words.

> > > > >

> > > > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show your worth or

> > else

> > > > > show your ........

> > > > >

> > > > > still wishing good for you.....

> > > > >

> > > > > Manoj

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ <utkal.panigrahi %

> > 40>

> > > > <utkal.panigrahi% 40>

> > > > > >

> > > > > <% 40.

com><JyotishGrou p%

> > 40. com><JyotishGrou p%

> >

> > > > 40. com>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM

> > > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional

> > > > Charts

> > > > > & Today's Confusions

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still do a self

> > study

> > > > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding.

> > > > >

> > > > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ >

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of reading.

> > Whenever

> > > > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it as it

> > suits

> > > > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the methods of

> > Dr.

> > > > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants, but give

> > no

> > > > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in perhaps 3

> > years,

> > > > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by spending their

> > > > > entire life on it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological principles and

> > not

> > > > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote about

> > Swami

> > > > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I can give you

> > > > > charts where similar placements are present but the persons are still

> > > > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a finger to

> > your

> > > > > heart and find out the reality.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Manoj

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM

> > > > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional

> > Charts

> > > > > & Today's Confusions

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of phalit jyotish

> > or

> > > > > > predictive astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions of 3.20

> > > > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 degrees,

> > each

> > > > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by 12

> > navamsas

> > > > > in

> > > > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi which is

> > > > > mesha,

> > > > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha rashi's first

> > > > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do have

> > predictive

> > > > > > implications internal to the that rashi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis within

> > the

> > > > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is no way

> > > > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, Planets cast

> > > > > their

> > > > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a rashi

> > receives

> > > > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi receives same

> > > > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and make a

> > > > > chart,

> > > > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put toghather,

> > navamsa

> > > > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those navamsas

> > or

> > > > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at the time

> > of

> > > > > > birth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees having a

> > > > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for the ease of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are not known,

> > but,

> > > > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, Our sages

> > > > > have

> > > > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they only talked

> > > > > about

> > > > > > division or amsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into existence for the

> > > > > ease

> > > > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when

> > astrologer

> > > > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore question of

> > > > > aspects

> > > > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc emerged.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and other

> > divisional

> > > > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, take a

> > case,

> > > > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of simha (Leo),

> > and

> > > > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, We w'd

> > find

> > > > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other in Mesha,

> > > > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna chart, no

> > > > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition based on

> > their

> > > > > > conjunction is wrong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, It's a pity

> > > > > that

> > > > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, rushing

> > > > > more

> > > > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should

> > understand

> > > > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa occupied

> > by

> > > > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, this is the

> > > > > very

> > > > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other divisions and

> > > > > have

> > > > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or other

> > divisions,

> > > > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of NAVAMSA

> > CHART

> > > > > or

> > > > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further confusions

> > in

> > > > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having today.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd stop

> > taking

> > > > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or Iyear's

> > > > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner of Jyotish

> > as

> > > > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Utkal,

Yes it would be nice if more people shared insights and experience on jyotish

techniques.

I'm not sure what the Chinese aggression is?

In the UK we are dealing with the former PM's aggressive war on Iraq when we are

signed up to peace treaties, and he has been found to have deceived our

Parliament over the reason for war, and then we have the MP's expense scandal

keeping other affairs off the front pages.

Of course we all await the next election so we can do something about it, so not

sure what is going on in China other than Google/CIA run having a big row with

the country.

cheers

M

-

utkal.panigrahi

Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:59 PM

Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts &

Today's Confusions

 

 

 

 

Dear Marg,

 

It's encouraging to know from you that nakshatra's implication is being

noticed, Hope ,group will regain it's lost lustre soon with scholarly

people's activism.

 

How you think about europe's perception about impact of chinese stupid

agression.

 

regards,

Utkal.

 

, " Marg " <margie9 wrote:

>

> Dear Utkal

> With reference to use of nakshatra

> I would like to contribute a little experience I had recently where

another astrologer had an identical chart to one I was reading, except

natives of both charts were born in different countries.

> My client had Mars in third house along with Rahu Ju and Ve in Kumbha

rasi, so did the other chart of a gynaecologist born in India.

> You would think my client would also be a gynaecologist due to same

chart, but it was the nakshatra placement of the planets that made the

essential difference to career choice, along with slight difference in

dasa sequence. My client did not have Mars ( mars ruling surgeons) L5/12

in satabhisha the nakshatra for physicians, though both Venus and

Jupiter were in that nakshatra, whereas the gynaecologist did have mars

in satabhisha.

> So it would seem that the nakshatras are a useful guide to finding

additional information about how the planets will behave in rasi/real

life without the need to set up an additional chart to explain their

influence?

> cheers

> Marg

>

> -

> utkal.panigrahi

>

> Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:37 PM

> Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional

Charts & Today's Confusions

>

>

>

>

>

> I wish to clarify that my post about Navamsa was based on study of

> following jyotish classics in my possession, None of the following

> classics mention divisional horoscopes or Amsha Kundali or Varga

kundali

> the way Janma Kundali (natal chart) is mentioned by them, this is the

> reason that there is no reference Navamsa bhava, Navamsa conjunctions

or

> Navamsa aspects on Navamsa bhava etc, vedic jyotish only suggests to

> make table of Navamsas occupied by graha (planet) in a rashi of janma

> kundali or natal chart and defines predictive attributes of planets

> falling in those Navamsa or Amsas or set of degrees of named divisions

> of same rashi as given in janma kundali or natal chart.

>

> It appears that sages were doing efforts to define predictive

attributes

> of each degree of a nakshatra and rashi, Sage Kashyap's describes

Padas

> of Nakschatras and also identifies a Yogtara in the tara's of

Nakshtras,

> His description of Nakshatras gives can give a corrective foundation

to

> Krishnamurti Padhati which looks to be deviated from the vedic path

and

> therefore loosing predictive lustre, Sage Shukadeva seems to be first

> who gave idea of Mritu Bhaga, however, His proposition is largely

> different then what's given in Jatak Parijata, Phaladeepika and

Prashna

> Marga.

>

> I was asked by groups members about the base of my posting, therefore

> this confirmatory post is done.

>

> Classics by Sages :

>

> Sage Work

>

> Lomash Lomash Samhita (700 verses)

> Vasistha Vasistha Samhita

> Bhrigu Bhrigu Samhita, Bhrigu Sutra

> Kashyap Atharvan Jyotiosh

> Parashuram Bhargav Nadika

> Shukdeva Shuka Jatakm

> Parashara Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra

> Badrayana Prashna Vidya

>

> Classics by Seers :

>

> Seer Work

>

> Satyacharya Satya jatak (Druva Nadi)

> Bhaskaracharya Bhava Deepika

> Ramanujacharya Bhavarh Ratnakar

>

> Tantra Classics :

>

> Lord Work

>

> Punja Raja Shambu Hora Prakash

> Shiav - Parvati Jyotisharnav Navneetam

> Shiva - Parvati Rudrayamal Tantra

>

> Nadi Classics :

>

> Deva Keralam by R Santhanam

> Suka Nadi by R Santhanam

>

> Classics by Scholars :

>

> Scholar Work

>

> Prithu Vyasa Hora Sara

> Venktesh Shastri Sarvarth Chintamani

> Vaidyanath Jatak Parijaat

> Kalyan Verman Sarawali

> Kalidasa Uttar Kalamritam

> Hema Prabhu Suri Triloka Jyotish (Jain Classic)

> Dhundhiraj JatakBharanam

> Jeevanath Bhava Kautuhalam

> Balbhadra Mishra Hora Ratnam

> Hara Shandilya ManSagri

> Ramdina Daivagya Brihad Daivagya Ranjanam

> Abdurahim Khan Khana Kheta Kautukam

> Ram Dayalu Sanket Nidhi

> Maha Dev pathak Jatak Tatva

> Ram Rathna Ojha Phalit Vikas

> Mukund Vallabh Mishra ShadVarga Phal Prakash

> Mukund Daivagya Bhava Manjari, Phalit Martand

> K N Sarawati Jatak Chandrika

>

> I have deliberately not studied VarahMihira's work, I am open for any

> discussion or debate on vedic view of Navamsa or any amsa or division.

>

> Utkal.

>

> , " utkal.panigrahi "

> utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> >

> > Neelam,

> >

> > 1. Mantras do work, mantras are one of the basic framework of our

> religion, do not pass sweeping statements letting down truth and

> religion.

> >

> > 2. If you know instances of your life when mantras have not worked,

> you should have gone for knowing the reasons why you failed to see or

> fail to realize working of mantra, did you do that.

> >

> > I have done that in my life.

> >

> > What i said about using navamsa is said by parashara, kalyan verma,

> dhundhiraj,mantreswara and several others.

> >

> > You decide whose astrology you follow - vedic seer's, classics and

> morever an astrology based on true principles and flawless logic or

you

> follow errorneous practise done by those people who taught you

astrology

> in an institution.

> > However, choice is yours, with vedic approach you won't do as many

> mistakes as you do with current faulty approach.

> >

> > Why dont you verify both the approaches on cönfirmed authentic

> birth data along with biography of some natives and come up with your

> findings.

> >

> > Till then, don't do cribbing.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Utkal.

> > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Maybe - Kaliyuga is special!

> > > DEMOcrazy arrives, but how? We just heard about the Democratic

ways

> of the

> > > little TEAR DROP!

> > > Not to forget, the place has special blessings of Buddha!

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > > On 1 February 2010 10:19, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga!

> > > >

> > > > To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to

speak

> up and

> > > > join their voices until democracy arrives!

> > > >

> > > > Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was

> derogatorily

> > > > called -- did?

> > > >

> > > > Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around

> this very

> > > > epoch many decades ago!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> <%40>,

> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and

> remedies

> > > > have

> > > > > not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise

their

> voice!

> > > > > Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription

> properly, or

> > > > the

> > > > > STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-(

> > > > >

> > > > > What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the

> man-monies!

> > > > > Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow

> human

> > > > beings,

> > > > > to save the gullible ones from such tricksters?

> > > > >

> > > > > Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many

> other ways in

> > > > > KALIYUG!

> > > > >

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one

> recourse

> > > > > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe

> proxy

> > > > poojas.

> > > > > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > C.S. Ravindramani.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar

<mouji99@<mouji99%

> > > > 40>>

> > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come

> up with

> > > > this

> > > > > > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when

you

> got the

> > > > > > powers

> > > > > > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact

> that not

> > > > all

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > prescribe mantras.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr

> regions " (for

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > there is no astrological reason at all)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You never answered the logic for your " so called "

" mundane "

> > > > predictions

> > > > > > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days

can

> predict.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda's death

> because

> > > > you

> > > > > > knew

> > > > > > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted

with

> hundreds

> > > > of

> > > > > > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you

> would be

> > > > made

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > eat your words.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show

your

> worth or

> > > > else

> > > > > > > show your ........

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > still wishing good for you.....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Manoj

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@<utkal.panigrahi%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi%40>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> <%40><%

> > > > 40><%

> > > >

> > > > > > 40>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and

> Divisional

> > > > > > Charts

> > > > > > > & Today's Confusions

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still

do

> a self

> > > > study

> > > > > > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Manoj Kumar

<mouji99@

> >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of

> reading.

> > > > Whenever

> > > > > > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook

it

> as it

> > > > suits

> > > > > > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the

> methods of

> > > > Dr.

> > > > > > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological

giants,

> but give

> > > > no

> > > > > > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in

> perhaps 3

> > > > years,

> > > > > > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by

> spending their

> > > > > > > entire life on it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological

> principles and

> > > > not

> > > > > > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote

> about

> > > > Swami

> > > > > > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I

can

> give you

> > > > > > > charts where similar placements are present but the

persons

> are still

> > > > > > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a

> finger to

> > > > your

> > > > > > > heart and find out the reality.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Manoj

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM

> > > > > > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and

> Divisional

> > > > Charts

> > > > > > > & Today's Confusions

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of

> phalit jyotish

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > predictive astrology.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions

> of 3.20

> > > > > > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20

> degrees,

> > > > each

> > > > > > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by

> 12

> > > > navamsas

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi

> which is

> > > > > > > mesha,

> > > > > > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha

> rashi's first

> > > > > > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do

> have

> > > > predictive

> > > > > > > > implications internal to the that rashi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9

rashis

> within

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa

is

> no way

> > > > > > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology,

> Planets cast

> > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a

> rashi

> > > > receives

> > > > > > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi

> receives same

> > > > > > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division

and

> make a

> > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put

> toghather,

> > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those

> navamsas

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached

at

> the time

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > birth.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20

degrees

> having a

> > > > > > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for

> the ease of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are

not

> known,

> > > > but,

> > > > > > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart,

> Our sages

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they

> only talked

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > division or amsa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into

> existence for the

> > > > > > > ease

> > > > > > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood

when

> > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore

> question of

> > > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc

> emerged.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and

> other

> > > > divisional

> > > > > > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built

hazards,

> take a

> > > > case,

> > > > > > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of

> simha (Leo),

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus),

now,

> We w'd

> > > > find

> > > > > > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each

other

> in Mesha,

> > > > > > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna

> chart, no

> > > > > > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition

> based on

> > > > their

> > > > > > > > conjunction is wrong.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading,

> It's a pity

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the

fact,

> rushing

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they

should

> > > > understand

> > > > > > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular

amsa

> occupied

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy,

> this is the

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other

> divisions and

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or

> other

> > > > divisions,

> > > > > > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of

> NAVAMSA

> > > > CHART

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further

> confusions

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having

today.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers

w'd

> stop

> > > > taking

> > > > > > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or

> Iyear's

> > > > > > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner

> of Jyotish

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >