Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions

February 5, 2010

Dear Marg and Utkal,

Â

Thank you for sharing.

The example you gave, Marg, isÂ a very powerful point for Naks. use.

I am wondering ifÂ you've found someÂ important /angular/ planet placement

Â difference btw two charts as well?

I have seen that in many 'relocation' charts- IÂ know you give some importance

to 'astro*ch*gr' in readings- I guess you singled out naksatras importance for

theoretical reasons, only?

Â

Utkal, what you are referring to /China's aggression/?

In terms of global security, recent Russia's announcement that NATO expansion is

considered a threat to it's security, is /the only/ 'breaking news' I've heard

of.

Â

Regards,

Anna

Â

S.A.R

Â

--- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 wrote:

Marg <margie9

Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts &

Today's Confusions

Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:20 AM

Â

Dear Utkal,

Yes it would be nice if more people shared insights and experience on jyotish

techniques.

I'm not sure what the Chinese aggression is?

In the UK we are dealing with the former PM's aggressive war on Iraq when we are

signed up to peace treaties, and he has been found to have deceived our

Parliament over the reason for war, and then we have the MP's expense scandal

keeping other affairs off the front pages.

Of course we all await the next election so we can do something about it, so not

sure what is going on in China other than Google/CIA run having a big row with

the country.

cheers

M

-

utkal.panigrahi

Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:59 PM

Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts &

Today's Confusions

Dear Marg,

It's encouraging to know from you that nakshatra's implication is being

noticed, Hope ,group will regain it's lost lustre soon with scholarly

people's activism.

How you think about europe's perception about impact of chinese stupid

agression.

regards,

Utkal.

, " Marg " <margie9 > wrote:

>

> Dear Utkal

> With reference to use of nakshatra

> I would like to contribute a little experience I had recently where

another astrologer had an identical chart to one I was reading, except

natives of both charts were born in different countries.

> My client had Mars in third house along with Rahu Ju and Ve in Kumbha

rasi, so did the other chart of a gynaecologist born in India.

> You would think my client would also be a gynaecologist due to same

chart, but it was the nakshatra placement of the planets that made the

essential difference to career choice, along with slight difference in

dasa sequence. My client did not have Mars ( mars ruling surgeons) L5/12

in satabhisha the nakshatra for physicians, though both Venus and

Jupiter were in that nakshatra, whereas the gynaecologist did have mars

in satabhisha.

> So it would seem that the nakshatras are a useful guide to finding

additional information about how the planets will behave in rasi/real

life without the need to set up an additional chart to explain their

influence?

> cheers

> Marg

>

> -

> utkal.panigrahi

>

> Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:37 PM

> Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional

Charts & Today's Confusions

>

> I wish to clarify that my post about Navamsa was based on study of

> following jyotish classics in my possession, None of the following

> classics mention divisional horoscopes or Amsha Kundali or Varga

kundali

> the way Janma Kundali (natal chart) is mentioned by them, this is the

> reason that there is no reference Navamsa bhava, Navamsa conjunctions

or

> Navamsa aspects on Navamsa bhava etc, vedic jyotish only suggests to

> make table of Navamsas occupied by graha (planet) in a rashi of janma

> kundali or natal chart and defines predictive attributes of planets

> falling in those Navamsa or Amsas or set of degrees of named divisions

> of same rashi as given in janma kundali or natal chart.

>

> It appears that sages were doing efforts to define predictive

attributes

> of each degree of a nakshatra and rashi, Sage Kashyap's describes

Padas

> of Nakschatras and also identifies a Yogtara in the tara's of

Nakshtras,

> His description of Nakshatras gives can give a corrective foundation

to

> Krishnamurti Padhati which looks to be deviated from the vedic path

and

> therefore loosing predictive lustre, Sage Shukadeva seems to be first

> who gave idea of Mritu Bhaga, however, His proposition is largely

> different then what's given in Jatak Parijata, Phaladeepika and

Prashna

> Marga.

>

> I was asked by groups members about the base of my posting, therefore

> this confirmatory post is done.

>

> Classics by Sages :

>

> Sage Work

>

> Lomash Lomash Samhita (700 verses)

> Vasistha Vasistha Samhita

> Bhrigu Bhrigu Samhita, Bhrigu Sutra

> Kashyap Atharvan Jyotiosh

> Parashuram Bhargav Nadika

> Shukdeva Shuka Jatakm

> Parashara Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra

> Badrayana Prashna Vidya

>

> Classics by Seers :

>

> Seer Work

>

> Satyacharya Satya jatak (Druva Nadi)

> Bhaskaracharya Bhava Deepika

> Ramanujacharya Bhavarh Ratnakar

>

> Tantra Classics :

>

> Lord Work

>

> Punja Raja Shambu Hora Prakash

> Shiav - Parvati Jyotisharnav Navneetam

> Shiva - Parvati Rudrayamal Tantra

>

> Nadi Classics :

>

> Deva Keralam by R Santhanam

> Suka Nadi by R Santhanam

>

> Classics by Scholars :

>

> Scholar Work

>

> Prithu Vyasa Hora Sara

> Venktesh Shastri Sarvarth Chintamani

> Vaidyanath Jatak Parijaat

> Kalyan Verman Sarawali

> Kalidasa Uttar Kalamritam

> Hema Prabhu Suri Triloka Jyotish (Jain Classic)

> Dhundhiraj JatakBharanam

> Jeevanath Bhava Kautuhalam

> Balbhadra Mishra Hora Ratnam

> Hara Shandilya ManSagri

> Ramdina Daivagya Brihad Daivagya Ranjanam

> Abdurahim Khan Khana Kheta Kautukam

> Ram Dayalu Sanket Nidhi

> Maha Dev pathak Jatak Tatva

> Ram Rathna Ojha Phalit Vikas

> Mukund Vallabh Mishra ShadVarga Phal Prakash

> Mukund Daivagya Bhava Manjari, Phalit Martand

> K N Sarawati Jatak Chandrika

>

> I have deliberately not studied VarahMihira' s work, I am open for any

> discussion or debate on vedic view of Navamsa or any amsa or division.

>

> Utkal.

>

> , " utkal.panigrahi "

> utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> >

> > Neelam,

> >

> > 1. Mantras do work, mantras are one of the basic framework of our

> religion, do not pass sweeping statements letting down truth and

> religion.

> >

> > 2. If you know instances of your life when mantras have not worked,

> you should have gone for knowing the reasons why you failed to see or

> fail to realize working of mantra, did you do that.

> >

> > I have done that in my life.

> >

> > What i said about using navamsa is said by parashara, kalyan verma,

> dhundhiraj,mantresw ara and several others.

> >

> > You decide whose astrology you follow - vedic seer's, classics and

> morever an astrology based on true principles and flawless logic or

you

> follow errorneous practise done by those people who taught you

astrology

> in an institution.

> > However, choice is yours, with vedic approach you won't do as many

> mistakes as you do with current faulty approach.

> >

> > Why dont you verify both the approaches on cÃ¶nfirmed authentic

> birth data along with biography of some natives and come up with your

> findings.

> >

> > Till then, don't do cribbing.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Utkal.

> > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Maybe - Kaliyuga is special!

> > > DEMOcrazy arrives, but how? We just heard about the Democratic

ways

> of the

> > > little TEAR DROP!

> > > Not to forget, the place has special blessings of Buddha!

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > > On 1 February 2010 10:19, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga!

> > > >

> > > > To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to

speak

> up and

> > > > join their voices until democracy arrives!

> > > >

> > > > Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was

> derogatorily

> > > > called -- did?

> > > >

> > > > Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around

> this very

> > > > epoch many decades ago!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> <% 40. com>,

> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and

> remedies

> > > > have

> > > > > not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise

their

> voice!

> > > > > Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription

> properly, or

> > > > the

> > > > > STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-(

> > > > >

> > > > > What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the

> man-monies!

> > > > > Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow

> human

> > > > beings,

> > > > > to save the gullible ones from such tricksters?

> > > > >

> > > > > Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many

> other ways in

> > > > > KALIYUG!

> > > > >

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > > On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani@ >

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one

> recourse

> > > > > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe

> proxy

> > > > poojas.

> > > > > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > C.S. Ravindramani.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar

<mouji99@<mouji99%

> > > > 40> >

> > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come

> up with

> > > > this

> > > > > > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when

you

> got the

> > > > > > powers

> > > > > > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact

> that not

> > > > all

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > prescribe mantras.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr

> regions " (for

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > there is no astrological reason at all)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You never answered the logic for your " so called "

" mundane "

> > > > predictions

> > > > > > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days

can

> predict.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda' s death

> because

> > > > you

> > > > > > knew

> > > > > > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted

with

> hundreds

> > > > of

> > > > > > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you

> would be

> > > > made

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > eat your words.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show

your

> worth or

> > > > else

> > > > > > > show your ........

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > still wishing good for you.....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Manoj

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ <utkal.panigrahi %

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi% 40>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> <% 40. com><JyotishGrou p%

> > > > 40. com><JyotishGrou p%

> > > >

> > > > > > 40. com>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and

> Divisional

> > > > > > Charts

> > > > > > > & Today's Confusions

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still

do

> a self

> > > > study

> > > > > > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Manoj Kumar

<mouji99@

> >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of

> reading.

> > > > Whenever

> > > > > > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook

it

> as it

> > > > suits

> > > > > > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the

> methods of

> > > > Dr.

> > > > > > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological

giants,

> but give

> > > > no

> > > > > > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in

> perhaps 3

> > > > years,

> > > > > > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by

> spending their

> > > > > > > entire life on it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological

> principles and

> > > > not

> > > > > > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote

> about

> > > > Swami

> > > > > > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I

can

> give you

> > > > > > > charts where similar placements are present but the

persons

> are still

> > > > > > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a

> finger to

> > > > your

> > > > > > > heart and find out the reality.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Manoj

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM

> > > > > > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and

> Divisional

> > > > Charts

> > > > > > > & Today's Confusions

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of

> phalit jyotish

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > predictive astrology.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions

> of 3.20

> > > > > > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20

> degrees,

> > > > each

> > > > > > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by

> 12

> > > > navamsas

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi

> which is

> > > > > > > mesha,

> > > > > > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha

> rashi's first

> > > > > > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do

> have

> > > > predictive

> > > > > > > > implications internal to the that rashi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9

rashis

> within

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa

is

> no way

> > > > > > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology,

> Planets cast

> > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a

> rashi

> > > > receives

> > > > > > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi

> receives same

> > > > > > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division

and

> make a

> > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put

> toghather,

> > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those

> navamsas

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached

at

> the time

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > birth.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20

degrees

> having a

> > > > > > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for

> the ease of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are

not

> known,

> > > > but,

> > > > > > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart,

> Our sages

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they

> only talked

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > division or amsa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into

> existence for the

> > > > > > > ease

> > > > > > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood

when

> > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore

> question of

> > > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc

> emerged.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and

> other

> > > > divisional

> > > > > > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built

hazards,

> take a

> > > > case,

> > > > > > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of

> simha (Leo),

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus),

now,

> We w'd

> > > > find

> > > > > > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each

other

> in Mesha,

> > > > > > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna

> chart, no

> > > > > > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition

> based on

> > > > their

> > > > > > > > conjunction is wrong.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading,

> It's a pity

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the

fact,

> rushing

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they

should

> > > > understand

> > > > > > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular

amsa

> occupied

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy,

> this is the

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other

> divisions and

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or

> other

> > > > divisions,

> > > > > > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of

> NAVAMSA

> > > > CHART

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further

> confusions

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having

today.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers

w'd

> stop

> > > > taking

> > > > > > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or

> Iyear's

> > > > > > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner

> of Jyotish

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them.

> > > > > > > >

February 5, 2010

Hello Anna

The two charts were identical if I remember correctly,, other than nakshatra

placements and the jyotish in India said by sheer coincidence he had a chart

similar to one I was reading. Although he said that his chart belonged to the

gynae, I didn't read my chart as belonging to someone with so much professional

discipline, so had to decided what was making the difference in outcome. I think

the first thing was the dasa runs were slightly different but not vastly, but

having done lots of charts for doctors and medically minded people I did know

that satabhisha was important and so queried the placement of mars, to find it

was different in the two charts.

My chart had Mars in Dhanishtha and certainly my client was more interested in

chasing money as a financial consultant and advisor, than cutting people up!

Cheers

Margie

-

sar108

Friday, February 05, 2010 9:34 PM

Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts

& Today's Confusions

Dear Marg and Utkal,

Thank you for sharing.

The example you gave, Marg, is a very powerful point for Naks. use.

I am wondering if you've found some important /angular/ planet placement

difference btw two charts as well?

I have seen that in many 'relocation' charts- I know you give some importance

to 'astro*ch*gr' in readings- I guess you singled out naksatras importance for

theoretical reasons, only?

Utkal, what you are referring to /China's aggression/?

In terms of global security, recent Russia's announcement that NATO expansion

is considered a threat to it's security, is /the only/ 'breaking news' I've

heard of.

Regards,

Anna

S.A.R

--- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 wrote:

Marg <margie9

Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts

& Today's Confusions

Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:20 AM

Dear Utkal,

Yes it would be nice if more people shared insights and experience on jyotish

techniques.

I'm not sure what the Chinese aggression is?

In the UK we are dealing with the former PM's aggressive war on Iraq when we

are signed up to peace treaties, and he has been found to have deceived our

Parliament over the reason for war, and then we have the MP's expense scandal

keeping other affairs off the front pages.

Of course we all await the next election so we can do something about it, so

not sure what is going on in China other than Google/CIA run having a big row

with the country.