[Ind-Arch] Fwd: Nehru Grandfather name was ....

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Dear Yashwantji,

 

The seekers of truth will seek convincing repies.

 

1) Are you sure that Firoz Gandhy's mother's surname was not Ghandy?

 

2) Are you sure that Firoz Gandhi did not give an affidavit to change his

original surname to Gandhi?

 

3) The site you referred to says that Gangadhar has been claimed to be a Kotwal

in Delhi but at that time there was a Muslim person as Kotwal in Delhi and not

ghangadhar, according to the available record. Have you had a chance to see the

records yourself to refute the above statement?

 

It will be nice if you can let us know the facts on the above queries, as we do

not want the name of the respectable Nehru family to be tarnished yet we want to

know what the truthg really is.

 

Avtarji has the knack of telling blatant lies about historical events to suit

his anti-Indian theories. He has been calling Varaha Mihira as  the greatest

charlatan. We, the spineless Indians, are tolerating this character

assassination of a past great scholar of India by Avtarji. On the basis of the

date of 505 CE as the birth-year of  Varahmaihira, as suggested by the Western

scholars, Avtarji claims that Varaha Mihira copied wholesale from

Sphuridhvaja. However as far as the facts are, Varahamihira records that the

Winter-solstice began in Uttarashadha Nakshatra in the Makar rashi  at his

time. Any astronomer will tell you that Winter-solstice began in Uttarashadha in

the middle of the 5th century BCE and Winter solstice stopped occurring in the

Makar rashi from the 3rd century CE. This means in 505 the Winter-solstice did

not occur in makar rashi. Secondly Varahamihira says that his date is 427 of

Saka kala (Sakendra kala) and he says this

Saka kala started 2526 years after the departure of Yudhisthira and that means

tthat he Saka kala that Varahamihira refers to started from 3077-2526 = 551 BCE

and Varahamihira's date comes out to be 551 - 427 = 124 BCE. This shows that

the date 505 CE for Varahamihira is not correct. Don't you think that we must

censure Avtarji for calling Varahamihirea as the greatest charlatan and that

Avtarji should claim that epithet for himself?

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

--- On Mon, 2/1/10, ymalaiya <ymalaiya wrote:

 

 

ymalaiya <ymalaiya

[ind-Arch] Fwd: Re: Nehru Grandfather name was ....

IndiaArchaeology

Monday, February 1, 2010, 10:40 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have seen similar stories before. They are false.

I include something I wrote a few years ago  for another group regarding Feroze

Gandhi, Indira Gandhi's husband.

Incidentally I have seen a similar attempt by Khalistanis to associate the Nehru

family with a " Gandu pandit " in Sikh tradition, which is a similar attempt.

Yashwant

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A recent post based on an article at swordoftruth. com site

suggests that Indira Gandhi's husband, Feroze Gandhi was

really a Muslim and not a Parsi, as is popularly believed.

 

I am not convinced. It is true that we don't hear much about

Feroze Gandhi's family, but what I have seen does suggest that

he was indeed a Parsi, although  not a practicing one. This is what

 

the unknown author writes:

 

The Truth Detector (swordoftruth. com)

" It appears  that  the  reason  is  simply  this.  Rajiv  Gandhi's

paternal  grandfather  was  a  Moslem gentleman from the Junagadh

area of Gujarat. He may even be remotely related  to  the  Bhutto

family! "

 

" This Moslem grocer by the name of Nawab Khan, had married a Parsi

woman  after  converting  her  to Islam. This is the source where

from the myth of Rajiv's  being  a  Parsi  was  derived.  Rajiv's

father  Feroze  was Feroze Khan before he married Indira, against

Kamala Nehru's wishes. There have been some discussions, only  to

fool  the  Hindu  public  of India, that Feroze's family name was

Ghandy, often associated with Parsis and that this was changed to

Gandhi,  like the Mahatma's own name, sometime before his wedding

with Indira, by an affidavit. "

 

This is not supported by what is known. See the two accounts

below.

 

" No role for forgotten Gandhi in  family  comeback "

(The  Telegraph February 06, 1998)

 

" Anand  Bhavan,  the  historic  Nehru  residence,  is  visited  by

hundreds of tourists every day, but no one knows of the existence

of a memorial dedicated to the fiery parliamentarian  who  rocked

the  Nehru  Cabinet,  leading  a  campaign against corruption. At

Feroze's mazaar, even on Navroz, the Parsi  New  Year's  day,  no

candles  or  lamps  are  lit. No flowers are offered. Ironically,

Feroze Gandhi's  epitaph  reads:  " In  loving  memory  of  Feroze

Jehangir  Gandhi,  born 12-08-1912, died on 08-09-1960. He is not

dead, who lifts thy glorious mind high,  To  live  in  hearts  we

leave behind is not to die. " In fact, like his controversial life

spread over 48 years,  Feroze  Gandhi's  last  journey  became  a

subject  of  controversy. When he was cremated after his death in

September 1960, it evoked sharp reaction among Parsis  throughout

the country. Even when Feroze's ashes were allowed to rest at the

Parsi Anjuman cemetery, the 50-odd  Parsi  families  residing  in

Allahabad   cemetery,   continued   to  remain  indifferent.  The

Allahabad Parsi  Zoroastrian  Anjuman  blocked  efforts  for  the

construction of a mazaar.

 

According  to  members  of  the  local  Parsi  community,  Faroul

Jehangir,  elder  brother  of Feroze, was against construction of

his mazaar. According to Anjuman office bearers, no Parsi can  be

cremated.  He  or  she  should  either  be placed at the Tower of

Silence, or be buried. With Feroze's Parsi kith and kin remaining

hostile over the alleged violation of the community's sentiments,

the Gandhi clan has also not shown any interest. "

 

" Parsis: The Jews of India " (New Society 22/1/88)

 

" Arguably, the crisis afflicting  the  Parsi  community  in  India

dates  back  to  1947.  For  although  they have not dropped from

notice - Rajiv Gandhi's  father  was  a  Parsi  and  the  defence

services have has Parsi commanders - they have not benefited as a

people from the  new  Indian  society  which  has  emerged  since

Independence. "

 

From the Limbuwala family genealogy, we have the following

information:

 

Banu Jahangir Gandhi

Feroze  Jehangir  Gandhi    September  1912 September 08, 1960

Jehangir Faredoon Gandhi

Prikanka Rajiv Gandhi 1972

Rahul Rajiv Gandhi 1971

Rajiv Feroze Gandhi August 20,  1944 May  21, 1991

Sanjay Feroze Gandhi  December 14, 1946    June 23, 1980

Varuna Sanjay Gandhi

 

Thus Feroze's father was Jehangir and grandfather was Faredoon.

These are pre-Islamic Iranian names, respectively meaning

victor, conqueror of the world and  a famous king in Iran,

all common Parsi names.

 

Yashwant

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IndiaArchaeology, " Krishen " <jyotirved@.. .> wrote:

 

Re: Nehru Grandfather name was Giyasuddin Gazi (mughal) - 

 

 

Shri Mohan Gupta Ji,

Jai Shri Ram!

< I think people like you are curse for Hindus who do not try to understand

enemies of Hindus who are destroy Hindus in disguise form

By witting such comments you are letting the cheaters to destroy Hindus in

disguise form>

I never expected anything else from you!  Kettle calling the pot black!  Those

who cannot (actually do not want to!) celebrate their festivaols on correct

days because of vested interests are calling the ones who point out such flaws

to them as " enemies of Hindus " .  In fact you have just vindicated my stand with

such remarks!

In any case, you have relied more on what some " Vedic astrologer " (sic!) has

said about Pandit Motilal Nehru ad his ancestors than on any real historical

documents.  But then that is nothing new with " jyotishis " .  They donot their

home work at all, but want to raise heaven and earth  because of ulterior

motives!

Following are some references that are available freely on the net but I am sure

you will come out with some other ploy now since some people are more interested

in destroying the unity of India in the name of anti-secularism than following

Truth and northing but Truth!

Jai Shri Ram!

A K Kaul

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DESCENT FROM KASHMIR

J. L. Nehru

 

Excerpts: JAWAHARLAL NEHRU: AN AUTOBIOGRAPHY

Our house itself was far from being a lonely place, for it sheltered a large

family of cousins and near relations, after the manner of Hindu families. But

all my cousins were much older than I was……

We were Kashmiris. Over two hundred years ago, early in the eighteenth century,

our ancestor came down from that mountain valley to seek fame and fortune in the

rich plains below. Those were the days of the decline of the Moghal Empire after

the death of Aurungzeb, and Farrukhsiar was the Emperor. Raj Kaul was the name

of that ancestor of ours and he had gained eminence as a Sanskrit and Persian

scholar in Kashmir. He attracted the notice of Farrukhsiar during the latter's

visit to Kashmir, and, probably at the Emperor's instance, the family migrated

to Delhi, the imperial capital, about the year 1716. A jagir with a house

situated on the banks of a canal had been granted to Raj Kaul, and, from the

fact of this residence, 'Nehru' (from nahar, a canal) came to be attached to his

name. Kaul had been the family name; this changed to Kaul-Nehru; and, in later

years, Kaul dropped out and we became simply Nehrus.

The family experienced many vicissitudes of fortune during the unsettled times

that followed and the jagir dwindled and vanished away. My great grandfather,

Lakshmi Narayan Nehru, became the first Vakil of the 'Sarkar Company' at the

shadow court of the Emperor of Delhi. My grandfather, Ganga Dhar Nehru, was

Kotwal of Delhi for some time before the great Revolt of 1857. He died at the

early age of 34 in 1861.

The revolt of 1857 put an end to our family's connection with Delhi, and all our

old family papers and documents were destroyed in the course of it. The family,

having lost nearly all it possessed, joined the numerous fugitives who were

leaving the old imperial city and went to Agra. My father was not born then but

my two uncles were already young men and possessed some knowledge of English.

This knowledge saved the younger of the two uncles, as well as some other

members of the family, from a sudden and ignominious end. He was journeying from

Delhi with some family members, among whom was his young sister, a little girl

who was very fair, as some Kashmiri children are. Some English soldiers met them

on the way and they suspected this little aunt of mine to be an English girl and

accused my uncle of kidnapping her. From an accusation, to summary justice and

punishment, was usually a matter of minutes in those days, and my uncle and

others of the family

might well have found themselves hanging on the nearest tree. Fortunately for

them, my uncle's knowledge of English delayed matters a little and then some one

who knew him passed that way and rescued him and the others.

For some years the family lived in Agra, and it was in Agra on the sixth of May

1861 that my father was born. [A curious and interesting coincidence: The poet

Rabindranath Tagore was also born on this very day, month and year.] But he was

a posthumous child as my grandfather had died three months earlier. In a little

painting that we have of my grandfather, he wears the Moghal court dress with a

curved sword in his hand, and might well be taken for a Moghal nobleman,

although his features are distinctly Kashmiri.

The burden of the family then fell on my two uncles who were very much older

than my father. The elder uncle, Bansi Dhar Nehru, soon after entered the

judicial department of the British Government and, being appointed successively

to various places, was partly cut off from the rest of the family. The younger

uncle, Nand Lal Nehru, entered the service of an Indian State and was Diwan of

Khetri State in Rajputana for ten years. Later he studied law and settled down

as a practicing lawyer in Agra.

My father lived with him and grew up under his sheltering care. The two were

greatly attached to each other and their relation with each other was a strange

mixture of the brotherly and the paternal and filial. My father, being the last

comer, was of course my grandmother' s favorite son, and she was an old lady

with a tremendous will of her own who was not accustomed to be ignored. It is

now nearly half a century since her death but she is still remembered amongst

old Kashmiri ladies as a most dominating old woman and quite a terror if her

will was flouted.

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http://www.congress sandesh.com/ AICC/history/ presidents/ pandit_motilal_

nehru.htm

Pandit Motilal Nehru

(1861-1931)

President- Amritsar, 1919; Calcutta, 1928

 

 

 

Pandit Motilal Nehru, an eminent lawyer and politician, was born on May 6, 1861.

The Nehrus hailed from Kashmir, but had settled in Delhi since the beginning of

the eighteenth century. Motilal's grandfather, Lakshmi Narayan, became the first

Vakil of the East India Company at the Mughal Court of Delhi. Motilal's father,

Gangadhar, was a police officer in Delhi in 1857, when it was engulfed by the

Mutiny. When the British troops shelled their way into the town, Gangadhar fled

with his wife Jeorani and four children to Agra where he died four years later.

Three months after his death Jeorani gave birth to a boy who was named Motilal.

Motilal spent his childhood at Khetri in Rajasthan, where his elder brother

Nandial became the Diwan. In 1870 Nandlal quit Khetri, qualified as a lawyer and

began to practice law at Agra. When the High Court was transferred to Allahabad,

be moved with it.