Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Group, How, an incorrect approach lands astrologers in trouble can be seen in an article published in newsletter of Journal of Astrology, they refer to at least 3 ascendents for our country, India - 1. Capricorn, Proposed by Varahmihira and followed by Prof K N Rao 2. Virgo, Proposed by B.V Raman and followed by ICAS 3. Taurus, Based on 15'th August 1947's independence chart. So, we have got 3 ascendents for our country, the author of the article Mr Deepak Bisaria is a nice scholar with patriotic approach, somehow, he looks inclined towards 4'th ascendent for india which is Saggitarius. The point to ponder is why all 4 ascendents are able to justify events happening in country, strange is BVB on the one hand talks about capricorn ascendent and at the same time on the other says India is running under Sun dasa based on Taurus ascendent chart of India, so, they says something on the basis of Sun dasa and some other things on the basis of Capricorn ascendent. As long as we are into post event researches to somehow find out a justification, all the 12 ascendents w'd look suitable for India and for any other country. I have always said that countries chart and approach of ascendence is incorrect, sages had observed planets transiting over a rashi/nakshatra affects different parts of world differently, It w'd be very helpful to astrologers if they come up with more studies in the vedic direction. Following the Vedic approach, I was able to predict - Fall of leftist in 2009's election and continuation of same govt in India, I could also very accurately predict age of strikes and bandhs to storm india, this year we have seen at least 60-70 major strikes in several states of india, You are aware that how accurately andhra pradesh's issue was seen as well as removal of troops from kashmir. In fact, these are not my success but this is success of vedic approach of jyotish. You can read excerpts of the Deepak Bisaria's article, He is a goot writer : http://www.journalofastrology.com/article.php?article_id=259 <http://www.journalofastrology.com/article.php?article_id=259> Brihat -Samhita of Varahamihira (575 A.D) fixes the ascendant for India (Bharat Varsha of that time stretching to present Afghanistan towards the West and Burma to the East ) as Capricorn. In the brilliant book on mundane astrology by M.S. Mehta and Radhika, the ascendant is Capricorn and Scorpio for Delhi. B.V. Raman fixed Virgo as the ascendant. Which is the relevant ascendant in the pre-independence era or during Ram Rajya needs yet to be ascertained. Mr. K.N. Rao, presently the best in mundane astrology, finds convincing results from Capricorn ascendant for India and Leo as the ascendant of the U.S. Today, with complex problems in front and spirituality on the back burner Taurus as ascendant for India's Independence horoscope has been consistently giving convincing results. With the swing and a shift of ascendants for different nations, perhaps due to ayanamsha or other reasons, it is possible that the ascendant for India at some time becomes Sagittarius as it is adjacent to Capricorn. This presumption gets support in view of India's spiritual wealth and a rich cultural heritage that still stands undisputed. The Jupitarean influence can be felt even now with spirituality still persisting in the atmosphere, perhaps, as a result of the collective tapasya of so many rishis done on its soil ! India was known as the land where rivers of honey and milk flowed and coined , the golden bird (sone ki chidiya). In the north of India we have mountains from where rivers perennially flow. This blessing of Jupiter is still to be properly harnessed, when done perhaps it would give relief from scarcity of power and water. Middle (madhya Bharat )and South have mountains loaded with minerals and metals. And to add to the riches, we have coastline of line of 6100 kms that garlands the nation. , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi wrote: > > > > With correct vedic appoach, we can predict events before they occur, As > we saw on 25'th Dec 2009's post, things have moved in the said > direction, Our discovery is Places and Planets are linked, countries > charts are misleading as no country takes birth on a date, India was > there before 15'th August 1947. > > It was said in following message #25486, 25'th Dec 2009 - > > /*Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > either Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in rather > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > strength. > > */ > > Govt has yesterday set up a committee headed by Supreme Court Judge B N > Srikrishna who will give it's report in next 3 years, thus, as we said > any possibility of sub division of Indian map is only in 2013-14, not > before that. > > http://in.news./48/20100204/814/tnl-centre-sets-up-srikrishna-p\ \ > anel-for.html > <http://in.news./48/20100204/814/tnl-centre-sets-up-srikrishna-\ \ > panel-for.html> > > Set up of a committee shows there will be a justified decision on this > issue as we saw in the same post, right now Jup is on 10'th degree, by > the time Jup crosses 15'th degree, committee may office etc to begin > it's work, as said - > > /* > Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 degrees becomes > Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted justified > decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be based > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take place > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > remote areas. > > */ > > Definitely, committee w'd do brainstorming for taking a right decision. > > -------- > Utkal. > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > History is evident, Andra and Karnataka region is responsive to > Saturn's > > transit, Emergence and fall of dynasties in Andra - Karnataka region > has > > always been subject to Saturn's transit on Aries, Virgo, Scorpio, and > > Sagittarius. > > > > This study is based on following two pints - > > > > · Jup and mars are the soul and body of India. Mars is the > > significator of Indian subcontinent's geography, it should not receive > > malificance of either Saturn or Rahu. > > > > · Kurma chakra says major part of Andhra region is ruled by > > Uttarphalguni to Chitra nakschatra of Virgo. > > > > The first Hoysala ruler's family record is dated 950 and names > > Arekalla as the chieftain, In 1186-87, Saturn was again in Virgo when > > Vir Ballal set Hoyasals free from the subordination laying the > > foundation of independent Hoyasal dynasty. > > > > In 1309 when Saturn was in Scorpio and Jup was in Capricorn, Malik > > Kafur, with an immense force swept into the Dakhan and captured > > Warangal. The old capital of the Hoysala Ballalas at Dvarasamudra was > > taken in 1310. > > > > Saturn's next transit on Virgo in 1333-1334 led to the foundation of > > Kingdom of Vijayanagara in 1336 while it caused declination of > Hoyasals > > ruling. Biggest defeat happened in 1565 by the Decan Sultantes, Saturn > > was in Virgo, however survived untill 1646. > > > > The origins of the Nizam dynasty can be traced to Chin Qalich Khan who > > was commander of the Mughal army during Aurangzeb's reign. Chin > > Qalich Khan led the attack of the Mughal army at Deccan. > > > > During Aurangzeb's last siege of Golconda in 1687 (Sat was in > > Virgo),Chin Qalich Khan was wounded. He died in Atapur village near > > Himayath Sagar. Chin Qalich Khan's son, Nawab Ghaziuddin Khan, > > married the daughter of Sadullah Khan, Prime Minister of Aurangzeb. A > > son was born, and the Emperor named him Mir Qumaruddin. At the age of > > six, Mir Qumaruddin accompanied his father to the Mughal court. > > Aurangzeb awarded him a mansab, and said to his father, " The star of > > destiny shines on the forehead of your son " . > > > > Mir Qumaruddin displayed considerable skill as a warrior and at the > age > > of nineteen, the Emperor bestowed on him the title " Chin Fateh Khan " . > > > > As said earlier, if Saturn or Rahu afflicts Jup and Mars or their > signs, > > India and Govt both has to face stiff challange, Though, Rahu is > > transiting Sagittarious, but Saturn is not directly involved however > it > > casting it's aspect on scorpio, but will not afflicting either Jup or > > their signs, so, no quick thoughtless reconstruction of the states in > > India. > > > > If we look at current scenario though Jup has been in debility, now > > transits Aquarius. > > Jup in Aquarius always tend to put Indian rulers in ordeal, posing > > challanges to show competence, If government shows it, ruling team > > continues otherwise changes come, at least revamp of cabinet is > likely. > > > > For the curent movement for division of Andhra, transit indicates a > > turning point is likely to emerge, as Jup w'd soon move out to Pisces > in > > May 2010, Simultaneously, Mars w'd also come out of it's debility, > This > > pattern of transit shows current turbulance to pacify, It should get > > distilled by April - May 2010, Earlier, I thought it to cool down in a > > month's time but forgot to notice Saturn is going in standstill > > mode, seems this saturn will keep simmering the current protest for > some > > more time, Anyways, Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 degrees > > becomes Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted > > justified decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be > based > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take > place > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > > remote areas. > > > > > > Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > either > > Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in rather > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > strength. > > > > > > > > Jup signifies the integrity of country and it's wellness as well, we > > should rest assured that after MAY 2010, India w'd have a high > > performance govt, either same team and leader will work significantly > > better or somebody new come into picture. Jup and Mars when transits > > Pisces or Aries they try their best to give a high performace govt to > > this country, remain hopeful. > > > > > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart, > > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > > have read in ancient history. > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > Utkal Panigrahi. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Varaha Mihir gave us Capricorn and Modern India in its present form has Taurus as ascendant. Capricorn works well and has been found to give results for not only India alone but for the entire region mentioned in that write up. regards, Manoj ________________________________ utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi Fri, February 5, 2010 12:38:32 PM Ascendent of India & Related Problems  Group, How, an incorrect approach lands astrologers in trouble can be seen in an article published in newsletter of Journal of Astrology, they refer to at least 3 ascendents for our country, India - 1. Capricorn, Proposed by Varahmihira and followed by Prof K N Rao 2. Virgo, Proposed by B.V Raman and followed by ICAS 3. Taurus, Based on 15'th August 1947's independence chart. So, we have got 3 ascendents for our country, the author of the article Mr Deepak Bisaria is a nice scholar with patriotic approach, somehow, he looks inclined towards 4'th ascendent for india which is Saggitarius. The point to ponder is why all 4 ascendents are able to justify events happening in country, strange is BVB on the one hand talks about capricorn ascendent and at the same time on the other says India is running under Sun dasa based on Taurus ascendent chart of India, so, they says something on the basis of Sun dasa and some other things on the basis of Capricorn ascendent. As long as we are into post event researches to somehow find out a justification, all the 12 ascendents w'd look suitable for India and for any other country. I have always said that countries chart and approach of ascendence is incorrect, sages had observed planets transiting over a rashi/nakshatra affects different parts of world differently, It w'd be very helpful to astrologers if they come up with more studies in the vedic direction. Following the Vedic approach, I was able to predict - Fall of leftist in 2009's election and continuation of same govt in India, I could also very accurately predict age of strikes and bandhs to storm india, this year we have seen at least 60-70 major strikes in several states of india, You are aware that how accurately andhra pradesh's issue was seen as well as removal of troops from kashmir. In fact, these are not my success but this is success of vedic approach of jyotish. You can read excerpts of the Deepak Bisaria's article, He is a goot writer : http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259 <http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259> Brihat -Samhita of Varahamihira (575 A.D) fixes the ascendant for India (Bharat Varsha of that time stretching to present Afghanistan towards the West and Burma to the East ) as Capricorn. In the brilliant book on mundane astrology by M.S. Mehta and Radhika, the ascendant is Capricorn and Scorpio for Delhi. B.V. Raman fixed Virgo as the ascendant. Which is the relevant ascendant in the pre-independence era or during Ram Rajya needs yet to be ascertained. Mr. K.N. Rao, presently the best in mundane astrology, finds convincing results from Capricorn ascendant for India and Leo as the ascendant of the U.S. Today, with complex problems in front and spirituality on the back burner Taurus as ascendant for India's Independence horoscope has been consistently giving convincing results. With the swing and a shift of ascendants for different nations, perhaps due to ayanamsha or other reasons, it is possible that the ascendant for India at some time becomes Sagittarius as it is adjacent to Capricorn. This presumption gets support in view of India's spiritual wealth and a rich cultural heritage that still stands undisputed. The Jupitarean influence can be felt even now with spirituality still persisting in the atmosphere, perhaps, as a result of the collective tapasya of so many rishis done on its soil ! India was known as the land where rivers of honey and milk flowed and coined , the golden bird (sone ki chidiya). In the north of India we have mountains from where rivers perennially flow. This blessing of Jupiter is still to be properly harnessed, when done perhaps it would give relief from scarcity of power and water. Middle (madhya Bharat )and South have mountains loaded with minerals and metals. And to add to the riches, we have coastline of line of 6100 kms that garlands the nation. , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > > With correct vedic appoach, we can predict events before they occur, As > we saw on 25'th Dec 2009's post, things have moved in the said > direction, Our discovery is Places and Planets are linked, countries > charts are misleading as no country takes birth on a date, India was > there before 15'th August 1947. > > It was said in following message #25486, 25'th Dec 2009 - > > /*Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > either Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in rather > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > strength. > > */ > > Govt has yesterday set up a committee headed by Supreme Court Judge B N > Srikrishna who will give it's report in next 3 years, thus, as we said > any possibility of sub division of Indian map is only in 2013-14, not > before that. > > http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- sets-up-srikrish na-p\ \ > anel-for.html > <http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- sets-up-srikrish na-\ \ > panel-for.html> > > Set up of a committee shows there will be a justified decision on this > issue as we saw in the same post, right now Jup is on 10'th degree, by > the time Jup crosses 15'th degree, committee may office etc to begin > it's work, as said - > > /* > Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 degrees becomes > Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted justified > decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be based > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take place > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > remote areas. > > */ > > Definitely, committee w'd do brainstorming for taking a right decision. > > -------- > Utkal. > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > History is evident, Andra and Karnataka region is responsive to > Saturn's > > transit, Emergence and fall of dynasties in Andra - Karnataka region > has > > always been subject to Saturn's transit on Aries, Virgo, Scorpio, and > > Sagittarius. > > > > This study is based on following two pints - > > > > · Jup and mars are the soul and body of India. Mars is the > > significator of Indian subcontinent' s geography, it should not receive > > malificance of either Saturn or Rahu. > > > > · Kurma chakra says major part of Andhra region is ruled by > > Uttarphalguni to Chitra nakschatra of Virgo. > > > > The first Hoysala ruler's family record is dated 950 and names > > Arekalla as the chieftain, In 1186-87, Saturn was again in Virgo when > > Vir Ballal set Hoyasals free from the subordination laying the > > foundation of independent Hoyasal dynasty. > > > > In 1309 when Saturn was in Scorpio and Jup was in Capricorn, Malik > > Kafur, with an immense force swept into the Dakhan and captured > > Warangal. The old capital of the Hoysala Ballalas at Dvarasamudra was > > taken in 1310. > > > > Saturn's next transit on Virgo in 1333-1334 led to the foundation of > > Kingdom of Vijayanagara in 1336 while it caused declination of > Hoyasals > > ruling. Biggest defeat happened in 1565 by the Decan Sultantes, Saturn > > was in Virgo, however survived untill 1646. > > > > The origins of the Nizam dynasty can be traced to Chin Qalich Khan who > > was commander of the Mughal army during Aurangzeb's reign. Chin > > Qalich Khan led the attack of the Mughal army at Deccan. > > > > During Aurangzeb's last siege of Golconda in 1687 (Sat was in > > Virgo),Chin Qalich Khan was wounded. He died in Atapur village near > > Himayath Sagar. Chin Qalich Khan's son, Nawab Ghaziuddin Khan, > > married the daughter of Sadullah Khan, Prime Minister of Aurangzeb. A > > son was born, and the Emperor named him Mir Qumaruddin. At the age of > > six, Mir Qumaruddin accompanied his father to the Mughal court. > > Aurangzeb awarded him a mansab, and said to his father, " The star of > > destiny shines on the forehead of your son " . > > > > Mir Qumaruddin displayed considerable skill as a warrior and at the > age > > of nineteen, the Emperor bestowed on him the title " Chin Fateh Khan " . > > > > As said earlier, if Saturn or Rahu afflicts Jup and Mars or their > signs, > > India and Govt both has to face stiff challange, Though, Rahu is > > transiting Sagittarious, but Saturn is not directly involved however > it > > casting it's aspect on scorpio, but will not afflicting either Jup or > > their signs, so, no quick thoughtless reconstruction of the states in > > India. > > > > If we look at current scenario though Jup has been in debility, now > > transits Aquarius. > > Jup in Aquarius always tend to put Indian rulers in ordeal, posing > > challanges to show competence, If government shows it, ruling team > > continues otherwise changes come, at least revamp of cabinet is > likely. > > > > For the curent movement for division of Andhra, transit indicates a > > turning point is likely to emerge, as Jup w'd soon move out to Pisces > in > > May 2010, Simultaneously, Mars w'd also come out of it's debility, > This > > pattern of transit shows current turbulance to pacify, It should get > > distilled by April - May 2010, Earlier, I thought it to cool down in a > > month's time but forgot to notice Saturn is going in standstill > > mode, seems this saturn will keep simmering the current protest for > some > > more time, Anyways, Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 degrees > > becomes Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted > > justified decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be > based > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take > place > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > > remote areas. > > > > > > Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > either > > Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in rather > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > strength. > > > > > > > > Jup signifies the integrity of country and it's wellness as well, we > > should rest assured that after MAY 2010, India w'd have a high > > performance govt, either same team and leader will work significantly > > better or somebody new come into picture. Jup and Mars when transits > > Pisces or Aries they try their best to give a high performace govt to > > this country, remain hopeful. > > > > > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in chart, > > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > > have read in ancient history. > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- > > Utkal Panigrahi. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Dear Manoj_jee and others, I have no desire to walk into this massive cross-fire but would like to put in my ant's two cents, if I may ...? Nations like India (and others?) perhaps must have several charts and not just one and only that will serve throughout LARGER TIMEFRAMES (Yuga/Yugas)? I have the irrational faith (can't prove it to engineers, accountants, lawyers, scientists etc.) that this belief of mine about Nations and Cultures/Communities is perhaps reflected in astrological verity and day-to-day practical astrology via: Birthcharts, vargas, Varsha-charts, Murti-Nirnaya, and many more *progressions* that we all utilize! And not just in the Jyotish framework! My sincere apologies to all members here for sticking my nose (or antlers?) where they perhaps do not belong...! Rohiniranjan , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Varaha Mihir gave us Capricorn and Modern India in its present form has Taurus as ascendant. Capricorn works well and has been found to give results for not only India alone but for the entire region mentioned in that write up. > > regards, > > Manoj > > > > > ________________________________ > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi > > Fri, February 5, 2010 12:38:32 PM > Ascendent of India & Related Problems > >  > > Group, > > How, an incorrect approach lands astrologers in trouble can be seen in > an article published in newsletter of Journal of Astrology, they refer > to at least 3 ascendents for our country, India - > > 1. Capricorn, Proposed by Varahmihira and followed by Prof K N Rao > 2. Virgo, Proposed by B.V Raman and followed by ICAS > 3. Taurus, Based on 15'th August 1947's independence chart. > > So, we have got 3 ascendents for our country, the author of the article > Mr Deepak Bisaria is a nice scholar with patriotic approach, somehow, he > looks inclined towards 4'th ascendent for india which is Saggitarius. > > The point to ponder is why all 4 ascendents are able to justify events > happening in country, strange is BVB on the one hand talks about > capricorn ascendent and at the same time on the other says India is > running under Sun dasa based on Taurus ascendent chart of India, so, > they says something on the basis of Sun dasa and some other things on > the basis of Capricorn ascendent. > > As long as we are into post event researches to somehow find out a > justification, all the 12 ascendents w'd look suitable for India and for > any other country. > > I have always said that countries chart and approach of ascendence is > incorrect, sages had observed planets transiting over a rashi/nakshatra > affects different parts of world differently, It w'd be very helpful to > astrologers if they come up with more studies in the vedic direction. > > Following the Vedic approach, I was able to predict - Fall of leftist in > 2009's election and continuation of same govt in India, I could also > very accurately predict age of strikes and bandhs to storm india, this > year we have seen at least 60-70 major strikes in several states of > india, You are aware that how accurately andhra pradesh's issue was seen > as well as removal of troops from kashmir. > > In fact, these are not my success but this is success of vedic approach > of jyotish. > > You can read excerpts of the Deepak Bisaria's article, He is a goot > writer : > > http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259 > <http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259> > > Brihat -Samhita of Varahamihira (575 A.D) fixes the ascendant for India > (Bharat Varsha of that time stretching to present Afghanistan towards > the West and Burma to the East ) as Capricorn. In the brilliant book on > mundane astrology by M.S. Mehta and Radhika, the ascendant is Capricorn > and Scorpio for Delhi. B.V. Raman fixed Virgo as the ascendant. Which is > the relevant ascendant in the pre-independence era or during Ram Rajya > needs yet to be ascertained. Mr. K.N. Rao, presently the best in mundane > astrology, finds convincing results from Capricorn ascendant for India > and Leo as the ascendant of the U.S. Today, with complex problems in > front and spirituality on the back burner Taurus as ascendant for > India's Independence horoscope has been consistently giving > convincing results. > > With the swing and a shift of ascendants for different nations, perhaps > due to ayanamsha or other reasons, it is possible that the ascendant for > India at some time becomes Sagittarius as it is adjacent to Capricorn. > This presumption gets support in view of India's spiritual wealth > and a rich cultural heritage that still stands undisputed. The > Jupitarean influence can be felt even now with spirituality still > persisting in the atmosphere, perhaps, as a result of the collective > tapasya of so many rishis done on its soil ! > > India was known as the land where rivers of honey and milk flowed and > coined , the golden bird (sone ki chidiya). In the north of India we > have mountains from where rivers perennially flow. This blessing of > Jupiter is still to be properly harnessed, when done perhaps it would > give relief from scarcity of power and water. Middle (madhya Bharat )and > South have mountains loaded with minerals and metals. And to add to the > riches, we have coastline of line of 6100 kms that garlands the nation. > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > With correct vedic appoach, we can predict events before they occur, > As > > we saw on 25'th Dec 2009's post, things have moved in the said > > direction, Our discovery is Places and Planets are linked, countries > > charts are misleading as no country takes birth on a date, India was > > there before 15'th August 1947. > > > > It was said in following message #25486, 25'th Dec 2009 - > > > > /*Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > > either Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in > rather > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > strength. > > > > */ > > > > Govt has yesterday set up a committee headed by Supreme Court Judge B > N > > Srikrishna who will give it's report in next 3 years, thus, as we said > > any possibility of sub division of Indian map is only in 2013-14, not > > before that. > > > > > http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- sets-up-srikrish na-p\ > \ > > anel-for.html > > > <http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- sets-up-srikrish na-\ > \ > > panel-for.html> > > > > Set up of a committee shows there will be a justified decision on this > > issue as we saw in the same post, right now Jup is on 10'th degree, by > > the time Jup crosses 15'th degree, committee may office etc to begin > > it's work, as said - > > > > /* > > Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 degrees becomes > > Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted justified > > decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be based > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take > place > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > > remote areas. > > > > */ > > > > Definitely, committee w'd do brainstorming for taking a right > decision. > > > > -------- > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > History is evident, Andra and Karnataka region is responsive to > > Saturn's > > > transit, Emergence and fall of dynasties in Andra - Karnataka region > > has > > > always been subject to Saturn's transit on Aries, Virgo, Scorpio, > and > > > Sagittarius. > > > > > > This study is based on following two pints - > > > > > > · Jup and mars are the soul and body of India. Mars is the > > > significator of Indian subcontinent' s geography, it should not > receive > > > malificance of either Saturn or Rahu. > > > > > > · Kurma chakra says major part of Andhra region is ruled by > > > Uttarphalguni to Chitra nakschatra of Virgo. > > > > > > The first Hoysala ruler's family record is dated 950 and names > > > Arekalla as the chieftain, In 1186-87, Saturn was again in Virgo > when > > > Vir Ballal set Hoyasals free from the subordination laying the > > > foundation of independent Hoyasal dynasty. > > > > > > In 1309 when Saturn was in Scorpio and Jup was in Capricorn, Malik > > > Kafur, with an immense force swept into the Dakhan and captured > > > Warangal. The old capital of the Hoysala Ballalas at Dvarasamudra > was > > > taken in 1310. > > > > > > Saturn's next transit on Virgo in 1333-1334 led to the foundation of > > > Kingdom of Vijayanagara in 1336 while it caused declination of > > Hoyasals > > > ruling. Biggest defeat happened in 1565 by the Decan Sultantes, > Saturn > > > was in Virgo, however survived untill 1646. > > > > > > The origins of the Nizam dynasty can be traced to Chin Qalich Khan > who > > > was commander of the Mughal army during Aurangzeb's reign. Chin > > > Qalich Khan led the attack of the Mughal army at Deccan. > > > > > > During Aurangzeb's last siege of Golconda in 1687 (Sat was in > > > Virgo),Chin Qalich Khan was wounded. He died in Atapur village near > > > Himayath Sagar. Chin Qalich Khan's son, Nawab Ghaziuddin Khan, > > > married the daughter of Sadullah Khan, Prime Minister of Aurangzeb. > A > > > son was born, and the Emperor named him Mir Qumaruddin. At the age > of > > > six, Mir Qumaruddin accompanied his father to the Mughal court. > > > Aurangzeb awarded him a mansab, and said to his father, " The star of > > > destiny shines on the forehead of your son " . > > > > > > Mir Qumaruddin displayed considerable skill as a warrior and at the > > age > > > of nineteen, the Emperor bestowed on him the title " Chin Fateh > Khan " . > > > > > > As said earlier, if Saturn or Rahu afflicts Jup and Mars or their > > signs, > > > India and Govt both has to face stiff challange, Though, Rahu is > > > transiting Sagittarious, but Saturn is not directly involved however > > it > > > casting it's aspect on scorpio, but will not afflicting either Jup > or > > > their signs, so, no quick thoughtless reconstruction of the states > in > > > India. > > > > > > If we look at current scenario though Jup has been in debility, now > > > transits Aquarius. > > > Jup in Aquarius always tend to put Indian rulers in ordeal, posing > > > challanges to show competence, If government shows it, ruling team > > > continues otherwise changes come, at least revamp of cabinet is > > likely. > > > > > > For the curent movement for division of Andhra, transit indicates a > > > turning point is likely to emerge, as Jup w'd soon move out to > Pisces > > in > > > May 2010, Simultaneously, Mars w'd also come out of it's debility, > > This > > > pattern of transit shows current turbulance to pacify, It should get > > > distilled by April - May 2010, Earlier, I thought it to cool down in > a > > > month's time but forgot to notice Saturn is going in standstill > > > mode, seems this saturn will keep simmering the current protest for > > some > > > more time, Anyways, Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 > degrees > > > becomes Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted > > > justified decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be > > based > > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take > > place > > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > > > remote areas. > > > > > > > > > Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > > either > > > Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in rather > > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > > strength. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup signifies the integrity of country and it's wellness as well, we > > > should rest assured that after MAY 2010, India w'd have a high > > > performance govt, either same team and leader will work > significantly > > > better or somebody new come into picture. Jup and Mars when transits > > > Pisces or Aries they try their best to give a high performace govt > to > > > this country, remain hopeful. > > > > > > > > > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in > chart, > > > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > > > have read in ancient history. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- > > > Utkal Panigrahi. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 You are welcome. This is exactly I am trying to put across to people like Utkal. He gives a prediction that the person will get a job around NCR in Delhi and runs off when asked reasons for giving such a prediction. Its a common knowledge that movement of troops around the border is a natural phenomenon and it happens twice a year i.e., around spring and autumn, now you pass it on as a prediction and then run off again when asked for reasons. There are many instances. Koorma Chakra, Sanghatta Rashi Chakra, Kota Chakra, Sanghatta Nakshatra Chakra, Sarvato Bhadra Chakra are some methods for working out mundane predictions, is what I know. Ever sankranti chart, poornima, amavasya chart is also prepared for giving out mundane predictions is also what i know besides some other things too. And I still hold nothing against anyone. My only concern is that such forums should not be allowed to be used by people who preach a lot but have nothing to show. regards, Manoj ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Fri, February 5, 2010 6:57:23 PM Re: Ascendent of India & Related Problems  Dear Manoj_jee and others, I have no desire to walk into this massive cross-fire but would like to put in my ant's two cents, if I may ...? Nations like India (and others?) perhaps must have several charts and not just one and only that will serve throughout LARGER TIMEFRAMES (Yuga/Yugas) ? I have the irrational faith (can't prove it to engineers, accountants, lawyers, scientists etc.) that this belief of mine about Nations and Cultures/Communitie s is perhaps reflected in astrological verity and day-to-day practical astrology via: Birthcharts, vargas, Varsha-charts, Murti-Nirnaya, and many more *progressions* that we all utilize! And not just in the Jyotish framework! My sincere apologies to all members here for sticking my nose (or antlers?) where they perhaps do not belong...! Rohiniranjan , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: > > Varaha Mihir gave us Capricorn and Modern India in its present form has Taurus as ascendant. Capricorn works well and has been found to give results for not only India alone but for the entire region mentioned in that write up. > > regards, > > Manoj > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > > Fri, February 5, 2010 12:38:32 PM > Ascendent of India & Related Problems > >  > > Group, > > How, an incorrect approach lands astrologers in trouble can be seen in > an article published in newsletter of Journal of Astrology, they refer > to at least 3 ascendents for our country, India - > > 1. Capricorn, Proposed by Varahmihira and followed by Prof K N Rao > 2. Virgo, Proposed by B.V Raman and followed by ICAS > 3. Taurus, Based on 15'th August 1947's independence chart. > > So, we have got 3 ascendents for our country, the author of the article > Mr Deepak Bisaria is a nice scholar with patriotic approach, somehow, he > looks inclined towards 4'th ascendent for india which is Saggitarius. > > The point to ponder is why all 4 ascendents are able to justify events > happening in country, strange is BVB on the one hand talks about > capricorn ascendent and at the same time on the other says India is > running under Sun dasa based on Taurus ascendent chart of India, so, > they says something on the basis of Sun dasa and some other things on > the basis of Capricorn ascendent. > > As long as we are into post event researches to somehow find out a > justification, all the 12 ascendents w'd look suitable for India and for > any other country. > > I have always said that countries chart and approach of ascendence is > incorrect, sages had observed planets transiting over a rashi/nakshatra > affects different parts of world differently, It w'd be very helpful to > astrologers if they come up with more studies in the vedic direction. > > Following the Vedic approach, I was able to predict - Fall of leftist in > 2009's election and continuation of same govt in India, I could also > very accurately predict age of strikes and bandhs to storm india, this > year we have seen at least 60-70 major strikes in several states of > india, You are aware that how accurately andhra pradesh's issue was seen > as well as removal of troops from kashmir. > > In fact, these are not my success but this is success of vedic approach > of jyotish. > > You can read excerpts of the Deepak Bisaria's article, He is a goot > writer : > > http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259 > <http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259> > > Brihat -Samhita of Varahamihira (575 A.D) fixes the ascendant for India > (Bharat Varsha of that time stretching to present Afghanistan towards > the West and Burma to the East ) as Capricorn. In the brilliant book on > mundane astrology by M.S. Mehta and Radhika, the ascendant is Capricorn > and Scorpio for Delhi. B.V. Raman fixed Virgo as the ascendant. Which is > the relevant ascendant in the pre-independence era or during Ram Rajya > needs yet to be ascertained. Mr. K.N. Rao, presently the best in mundane > astrology, finds convincing results from Capricorn ascendant for India > and Leo as the ascendant of the U.S. Today, with complex problems in > front and spirituality on the back burner Taurus as ascendant for > India's Independence horoscope has been consistently giving > convincing results. > > With the swing and a shift of ascendants for different nations, perhaps > due to ayanamsha or other reasons, it is possible that the ascendant for > India at some time becomes Sagittarius as it is adjacent to Capricorn. > This presumption gets support in view of India's spiritual wealth > and a rich cultural heritage that still stands undisputed. The > Jupitarean influence can be felt even now with spirituality still > persisting in the atmosphere, perhaps, as a result of the collective > tapasya of so many rishis done on its soil ! > > India was known as the land where rivers of honey and milk flowed and > coined , the golden bird (sone ki chidiya). In the north of India we > have mountains from where rivers perennially flow. This blessing of > Jupiter is still to be properly harnessed, when done perhaps it would > give relief from scarcity of power and water. Middle (madhya Bharat )and > South have mountains loaded with minerals and metals. And to add to the > riches, we have coastline of line of 6100 kms that garlands the nation. > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > With correct vedic appoach, we can predict events before they occur, > As > > we saw on 25'th Dec 2009's post, things have moved in the said > > direction, Our discovery is Places and Planets are linked, countries > > charts are misleading as no country takes birth on a date, India was > > there before 15'th August 1947. > > > > It was said in following message #25486, 25'th Dec 2009 - > > > > /*Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > > either Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in > rather > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > strength. > > > > */ > > > > Govt has yesterday set up a committee headed by Supreme Court Judge B > N > > Srikrishna who will give it's report in next 3 years, thus, as we said > > any possibility of sub division of Indian map is only in 2013-14, not > > before that. > > > > > http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- sets-up-srikrish na-p\ > \ > > anel-for.html > > > <http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- sets-up-srikrish na-\ > \ > > panel-for.html> > > > > Set up of a committee shows there will be a justified decision on this > > issue as we saw in the same post, right now Jup is on 10'th degree, by > > the time Jup crosses 15'th degree, committee may office etc to begin > > it's work, as said - > > > > /* > > Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 degrees becomes > > Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted justified > > decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be based > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take > place > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > > remote areas. > > > > */ > > > > Definitely, committee w'd do brainstorming for taking a right > decision. > > > > -------- > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > History is evident, Andra and Karnataka region is responsive to > > Saturn's > > > transit, Emergence and fall of dynasties in Andra - Karnataka region > > has > > > always been subject to Saturn's transit on Aries, Virgo, Scorpio, > and > > > Sagittarius. > > > > > > This study is based on following two pints - > > > > > > · Jup and mars are the soul and body of India. Mars is the > > > significator of Indian subcontinent' s geography, it should not > receive > > > malificance of either Saturn or Rahu. > > > > > > · Kurma chakra says major part of Andhra region is ruled by > > > Uttarphalguni to Chitra nakschatra of Virgo. > > > > > > The first Hoysala ruler's family record is dated 950 and names > > > Arekalla as the chieftain, In 1186-87, Saturn was again in Virgo > when > > > Vir Ballal set Hoyasals free from the subordination laying the > > > foundation of independent Hoyasal dynasty. > > > > > > In 1309 when Saturn was in Scorpio and Jup was in Capricorn, Malik > > > Kafur, with an immense force swept into the Dakhan and captured > > > Warangal. The old capital of the Hoysala Ballalas at Dvarasamudra > was > > > taken in 1310. > > > > > > Saturn's next transit on Virgo in 1333-1334 led to the foundation of > > > Kingdom of Vijayanagara in 1336 while it caused declination of > > Hoyasals > > > ruling. Biggest defeat happened in 1565 by the Decan Sultantes, > Saturn > > > was in Virgo, however survived untill 1646. > > > > > > The origins of the Nizam dynasty can be traced to Chin Qalich Khan > who > > > was commander of the Mughal army during Aurangzeb's reign. Chin > > > Qalich Khan led the attack of the Mughal army at Deccan. > > > > > > During Aurangzeb's last siege of Golconda in 1687 (Sat was in > > > Virgo),Chin Qalich Khan was wounded. He died in Atapur village near > > > Himayath Sagar. Chin Qalich Khan's son, Nawab Ghaziuddin Khan, > > > married the daughter of Sadullah Khan, Prime Minister of Aurangzeb. > A > > > son was born, and the Emperor named him Mir Qumaruddin. At the age > of > > > six, Mir Qumaruddin accompanied his father to the Mughal court. > > > Aurangzeb awarded him a mansab, and said to his father, " The star of > > > destiny shines on the forehead of your son " . > > > > > > Mir Qumaruddin displayed considerable skill as a warrior and at the > > age > > > of nineteen, the Emperor bestowed on him the title " Chin Fateh > Khan " . > > > > > > As said earlier, if Saturn or Rahu afflicts Jup and Mars or their > > signs, > > > India and Govt both has to face stiff challange, Though, Rahu is > > > transiting Sagittarious, but Saturn is not directly involved however > > it > > > casting it's aspect on scorpio, but will not afflicting either Jup > or > > > their signs, so, no quick thoughtless reconstruction of the states > in > > > India. > > > > > > If we look at current scenario though Jup has been in debility, now > > > transits Aquarius. > > > Jup in Aquarius always tend to put Indian rulers in ordeal, posing > > > challanges to show competence, If government shows it, ruling team > > > continues otherwise changes come, at least revamp of cabinet is > > likely. > > > > > > For the curent movement for division of Andhra, transit indicates a > > > turning point is likely to emerge, as Jup w'd soon move out to > Pisces > > in > > > May 2010, Simultaneously, Mars w'd also come out of it's debility, > > This > > > pattern of transit shows current turbulance to pacify, It should get > > > distilled by April - May 2010, Earlier, I thought it to cool down in > a > > > month's time but forgot to notice Saturn is going in standstill > > > mode, seems this saturn will keep simmering the current protest for > > some > > > more time, Anyways, Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 > degrees > > > becomes Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted > > > justified decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be > > based > > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take > > place > > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > > > remote areas. > > > > > > > > > Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > > either > > > Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in rather > > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > > strength. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup signifies the integrity of country and it's wellness as well, we > > > should rest assured that after MAY 2010, India w'd have a high > > > performance govt, either same team and leader will work > significantly > > > better or somebody new come into picture. Jup and Mars when transits > > > Pisces or Aries they try their best to give a high performace govt > to > > > this country, remain hopeful. > > > > > > > > > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in > chart, > > > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > > > have read in ancient history. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- > > > Utkal Panigrahi. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Sir! Some forty five years ago or a few years before that perhaps when I was almost a teenager, I read about a wonderful technique by someone from Nargoal_Gujrat who had a series of books on astrology that the reader could order, read and arrive at the perfect prediction! I did and really got into it and found some uncanny correlations but when the sample-size increased the techniques failed. I felt foolish for having spent my meagre pocket-money on those books, rather than the projector that I could have ordered instead by mail-order! I eventually, did live up to my dream, and managed to order the hand-cranked projector! Trust me, I learned more about astrology and *projection* through those teen-age experiences than I have ever cared to admit! My heat-felt prayers and sincere wishes have always been that everyone else does too! Ranjan , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > You are welcome. This is exactly I am trying to put across to people like Utkal. He gives a prediction that the person will get a job around NCR in Delhi and runs off when asked reasons for giving such a prediction. > > Its a common knowledge that movement of troops around the border is a natural phenomenon and it happens twice a year i.e., around spring and autumn, now you pass it on as a prediction and then run off again when asked for reasons. > > There are many instances. Koorma Chakra, Sanghatta Rashi Chakra, Kota Chakra, Sanghatta Nakshatra Chakra, Sarvato Bhadra Chakra are some methods for working out mundane predictions, is what I know. Ever sankranti chart, poornima, amavasya chart is also prepared for giving out mundane predictions is also what i know besides some other things too. > > And I still hold nothing against anyone. My only concern is that such forums should not be allowed to be used by people who preach a lot but have nothing to show. > > regards, > > Manoj > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Fri, February 5, 2010 6:57:23 PM > Re: Ascendent of India & Related Problems > >  > Dear Manoj_jee and others, > > I have no desire to walk into this massive cross-fire but would like to put in my ant's two cents, if I may ...? > > Nations like India (and others?) perhaps must have several charts and not just one and only that will serve throughout LARGER TIMEFRAMES (Yuga/Yugas) ? > > I have the irrational faith (can't prove it to engineers, accountants, lawyers, scientists etc.) that this belief of mine about Nations and Cultures/Communitie s is perhaps reflected in astrological verity and day-to-day practical astrology via: Birthcharts, vargas, Varsha-charts, Murti-Nirnaya, and many more *progressions* that we all utilize! And not just in the Jyotish framework! > > My sincere apologies to all members here for sticking my nose (or antlers?) where they perhaps do not belong...! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > Varaha Mihir gave us Capricorn and Modern India in its present form has Taurus as ascendant. Capricorn works well and has been found to give results for not only India alone but for the entire region mentioned in that write up. > > > > regards, > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > > > > Fri, February 5, 2010 12:38:32 PM > > Ascendent of India & Related Problems > > > >  > > > > Group, > > > > How, an incorrect approach lands astrologers in trouble can be seen in > > an article published in newsletter of Journal of Astrology, they refer > > to at least 3 ascendents for our country, India - > > > > 1. Capricorn, Proposed by Varahmihira and followed by Prof K N Rao > > 2. Virgo, Proposed by B.V Raman and followed by ICAS > > 3. Taurus, Based on 15'th August 1947's independence chart. > > > > So, we have got 3 ascendents for our country, the author of the article > > Mr Deepak Bisaria is a nice scholar with patriotic approach, somehow, he > > looks inclined towards 4'th ascendent for india which is Saggitarius. > > > > The point to ponder is why all 4 ascendents are able to justify events > > happening in country, strange is BVB on the one hand talks about > > capricorn ascendent and at the same time on the other says India is > > running under Sun dasa based on Taurus ascendent chart of India, so, > > they says something on the basis of Sun dasa and some other things on > > the basis of Capricorn ascendent. > > > > As long as we are into post event researches to somehow find out a > > justification, all the 12 ascendents w'd look suitable for India and for > > any other country. > > > > I have always said that countries chart and approach of ascendence is > > incorrect, sages had observed planets transiting over a rashi/nakshatra > > affects different parts of world differently, It w'd be very helpful to > > astrologers if they come up with more studies in the vedic direction. > > > > Following the Vedic approach, I was able to predict - Fall of leftist in > > 2009's election and continuation of same govt in India, I could also > > very accurately predict age of strikes and bandhs to storm india, this > > year we have seen at least 60-70 major strikes in several states of > > india, You are aware that how accurately andhra pradesh's issue was seen > > as well as removal of troops from kashmir. > > > > In fact, these are not my success but this is success of vedic approach > > of jyotish. > > > > You can read excerpts of the Deepak Bisaria's article, He is a goot > > writer : > > > > http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259 > > <http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259> > > > > Brihat -Samhita of Varahamihira (575 A.D) fixes the ascendant for India > > (Bharat Varsha of that time stretching to present Afghanistan towards > > the West and Burma to the East ) as Capricorn. In the brilliant book on > > mundane astrology by M.S. Mehta and Radhika, the ascendant is Capricorn > > and Scorpio for Delhi. B.V. Raman fixed Virgo as the ascendant. Which is > > the relevant ascendant in the pre-independence era or during Ram Rajya > > needs yet to be ascertained. Mr. K.N. Rao, presently the best in mundane > > astrology, finds convincing results from Capricorn ascendant for India > > and Leo as the ascendant of the U.S. Today, with complex problems in > > front and spirituality on the back burner Taurus as ascendant for > > India's Independence horoscope has been consistently giving > > convincing results. > > > > With the swing and a shift of ascendants for different nations, perhaps > > due to ayanamsha or other reasons, it is possible that the ascendant for > > India at some time becomes Sagittarius as it is adjacent to Capricorn. > > This presumption gets support in view of India's spiritual wealth > > and a rich cultural heritage that still stands undisputed. The > > Jupitarean influence can be felt even now with spirituality still > > persisting in the atmosphere, perhaps, as a result of the collective > > tapasya of so many rishis done on its soil ! > > > > India was known as the land where rivers of honey and milk flowed and > > coined , the golden bird (sone ki chidiya). In the north of India we > > have mountains from where rivers perennially flow. This blessing of > > Jupiter is still to be properly harnessed, when done perhaps it would > > give relief from scarcity of power and water. Middle (madhya Bharat )and > > South have mountains loaded with minerals and metals. And to add to the > > riches, we have coastline of line of 6100 kms that garlands the nation. > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > With correct vedic appoach, we can predict events before they occur, > > As > > > we saw on 25'th Dec 2009's post, things have moved in the said > > > direction, Our discovery is Places and Planets are linked, countries > > > charts are misleading as no country takes birth on a date, India was > > > there before 15'th August 1947. > > > > > > It was said in following message #25486, 25'th Dec 2009 - > > > > > > /*Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > > > either Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in > > rather > > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > > strength. > > > > > > */ > > > > > > Govt has yesterday set up a committee headed by Supreme Court Judge B > > N > > > Srikrishna who will give it's report in next 3 years, thus, as we said > > > any possibility of sub division of Indian map is only in 2013-14, not > > > before that. > > > > > > > > http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- sets-up-srikrish na-p\ > > \ > > > anel-for.html > > > > > <http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- sets-up-srikrish na-\ > > \ > > > panel-for.html> > > > > > > Set up of a committee shows there will be a justified decision on this > > > issue as we saw in the same post, right now Jup is on 10'th degree, by > > > the time Jup crosses 15'th degree, committee may office etc to begin > > > it's work, as said - > > > > > > /* > > > Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 degrees becomes > > > Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted justified > > > decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be based > > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take > > place > > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > > > remote areas. > > > > > > */ > > > > > > Definitely, committee w'd do brainstorming for taking a right > > decision. > > > > > > -------- > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History is evident, Andra and Karnataka region is responsive to > > > Saturn's > > > > transit, Emergence and fall of dynasties in Andra - Karnataka region > > > has > > > > always been subject to Saturn's transit on Aries, Virgo, Scorpio, > > and > > > > Sagittarius. > > > > > > > > This study is based on following two pints - > > > > > > > > · Jup and mars are the soul and body of India. Mars is the > > > > significator of Indian subcontinent' s geography, it should not > > receive > > > > malificance of either Saturn or Rahu. > > > > > > > > · Kurma chakra says major part of Andhra region is ruled by > > > > Uttarphalguni to Chitra nakschatra of Virgo. > > > > > > > > The first Hoysala ruler's family record is dated 950 and names > > > > Arekalla as the chieftain, In 1186-87, Saturn was again in Virgo > > when > > > > Vir Ballal set Hoyasals free from the subordination laying the > > > > foundation of independent Hoyasal dynasty. > > > > > > > > In 1309 when Saturn was in Scorpio and Jup was in Capricorn, Malik > > > > Kafur, with an immense force swept into the Dakhan and captured > > > > Warangal. The old capital of the Hoysala Ballalas at Dvarasamudra > > was > > > > taken in 1310. > > > > > > > > Saturn's next transit on Virgo in 1333-1334 led to the foundation of > > > > Kingdom of Vijayanagara in 1336 while it caused declination of > > > Hoyasals > > > > ruling. Biggest defeat happened in 1565 by the Decan Sultantes, > > Saturn > > > > was in Virgo, however survived untill 1646. > > > > > > > > The origins of the Nizam dynasty can be traced to Chin Qalich Khan > > who > > > > was commander of the Mughal army during Aurangzeb's reign. Chin > > > > Qalich Khan led the attack of the Mughal army at Deccan. > > > > > > > > During Aurangzeb's last siege of Golconda in 1687 (Sat was in > > > > Virgo),Chin Qalich Khan was wounded. He died in Atapur village near > > > > Himayath Sagar. Chin Qalich Khan's son, Nawab Ghaziuddin Khan, > > > > married the daughter of Sadullah Khan, Prime Minister of Aurangzeb. > > A > > > > son was born, and the Emperor named him Mir Qumaruddin. At the age > > of > > > > six, Mir Qumaruddin accompanied his father to the Mughal court. > > > > Aurangzeb awarded him a mansab, and said to his father, " The star of > > > > destiny shines on the forehead of your son " . > > > > > > > > Mir Qumaruddin displayed considerable skill as a warrior and at the > > > age > > > > of nineteen, the Emperor bestowed on him the title " Chin Fateh > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > As said earlier, if Saturn or Rahu afflicts Jup and Mars or their > > > signs, > > > > India and Govt both has to face stiff challange, Though, Rahu is > > > > transiting Sagittarious, but Saturn is not directly involved however > > > it > > > > casting it's aspect on scorpio, but will not afflicting either Jup > > or > > > > their signs, so, no quick thoughtless reconstruction of the states > > in > > > > India. > > > > > > > > If we look at current scenario though Jup has been in debility, now > > > > transits Aquarius. > > > > Jup in Aquarius always tend to put Indian rulers in ordeal, posing > > > > challanges to show competence, If government shows it, ruling team > > > > continues otherwise changes come, at least revamp of cabinet is > > > likely. > > > > > > > > For the curent movement for division of Andhra, transit indicates a > > > > turning point is likely to emerge, as Jup w'd soon move out to > > Pisces > > > in > > > > May 2010, Simultaneously, Mars w'd also come out of it's debility, > > > This > > > > pattern of transit shows current turbulance to pacify, It should get > > > > distilled by April - May 2010, Earlier, I thought it to cool down in > > a > > > > month's time but forgot to notice Saturn is going in standstill > > > > mode, seems this saturn will keep simmering the current protest for > > > some > > > > more time, Anyways, Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 > > degrees > > > > becomes Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted > > > > justified decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be > > > based > > > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take > > > place > > > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > > > > remote areas. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > > > either > > > > Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in rather > > > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > > > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > > > strength. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup signifies the integrity of country and it's wellness as well, we > > > > should rest assured that after MAY 2010, India w'd have a high > > > > performance govt, either same team and leader will work > > significantly > > > > better or somebody new come into picture. Jup and Mars when transits > > > > Pisces or Aries they try their best to give a high performace govt > > to > > > > this country, remain hopeful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in > > chart, > > > > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > > > > have read in ancient history. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- > > > > Utkal Panigrahi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Dear Ranjan, One always learns the hard way. There is no easy way out. One has to grind through many methods, techniques, accept some and reject some approach needs to be adopted then and also meet one prediction wonders too. The moment sample size is increased these researches start falling apart like a pack of 9 pins. regards, Manoj ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Fri, February 5, 2010 7:31:10 PM Re: Ascendent of India & Related Problems  Sir! Some forty five years ago or a few years before that perhaps when I was almost a teenager, I read about a wonderful technique by someone from Nargoal_Gujrat who had a series of books on astrology that the reader could order, read and arrive at the perfect prediction! I did and really got into it and found some uncanny correlations but when the sample-size increased the techniques failed. I felt foolish for having spent my meagre pocket-money on those books, rather than the projector that I could have ordered instead by mail-order! I eventually, did live up to my dream, and managed to order the hand-cranked projector! Trust me, I learned more about astrology and *projection* through those teen-age experiences than I have ever cared to admit! My heat-felt prayers and sincere wishes have always been that everyone else does too! Ranjan , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: > > You are welcome. This is exactly I am trying to put across to people like Utkal. He gives a prediction that the person will get a job around NCR in Delhi and runs off when asked reasons for giving such a prediction. > > Its a common knowledge that movement of troops around the border is a natural phenomenon and it happens twice a year i.e., around spring and autumn, now you pass it on as a prediction and then run off again when asked for reasons. > > There are many instances. Koorma Chakra, Sanghatta Rashi Chakra, Kota Chakra, Sanghatta Nakshatra Chakra, Sarvato Bhadra Chakra are some methods for working out mundane predictions, is what I know. Ever sankranti chart, poornima, amavasya chart is also prepared for giving out mundane predictions is also what i know besides some other things too. > > And I still hold nothing against anyone. My only concern is that such forums should not be allowed to be used by people who preach a lot but have nothing to show. > > regards, > > Manoj > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Fri, February 5, 2010 6:57:23 PM > Re: Ascendent of India & Related Problems > >  > Dear Manoj_jee and others, > > I have no desire to walk into this massive cross-fire but would like to put in my ant's two cents, if I may ...? > > Nations like India (and others?) perhaps must have several charts and not just one and only that will serve throughout LARGER TIMEFRAMES (Yuga/Yugas) ? > > I have the irrational faith (can't prove it to engineers, accountants, lawyers, scientists etc.) that this belief of mine about Nations and Cultures/Communitie s is perhaps reflected in astrological verity and day-to-day practical astrology via: Birthcharts, vargas, Varsha-charts, Murti-Nirnaya, and many more *progressions* that we all utilize! And not just in the Jyotish framework! > > My sincere apologies to all members here for sticking my nose (or antlers?) where they perhaps do not belong...! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > Varaha Mihir gave us Capricorn and Modern India in its present form has Taurus as ascendant. Capricorn works well and has been found to give results for not only India alone but for the entire region mentioned in that write up. > > > > regards, > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > > > > Fri, February 5, 2010 12:38:32 PM > > Ascendent of India & Related Problems > > > >  > > > > Group, > > > > How, an incorrect approach lands astrologers in trouble can be seen in > > an article published in newsletter of Journal of Astrology, they refer > > to at least 3 ascendents for our country, India - > > > > 1. Capricorn, Proposed by Varahmihira and followed by Prof K N Rao > > 2. Virgo, Proposed by B.V Raman and followed by ICAS > > 3. Taurus, Based on 15'th August 1947's independence chart. > > > > So, we have got 3 ascendents for our country, the author of the article > > Mr Deepak Bisaria is a nice scholar with patriotic approach, somehow, he > > looks inclined towards 4'th ascendent for india which is Saggitarius. > > > > The point to ponder is why all 4 ascendents are able to justify events > > happening in country, strange is BVB on the one hand talks about > > capricorn ascendent and at the same time on the other says India is > > running under Sun dasa based on Taurus ascendent chart of India, so, > > they says something on the basis of Sun dasa and some other things on > > the basis of Capricorn ascendent. > > > > As long as we are into post event researches to somehow find out a > > justification, all the 12 ascendents w'd look suitable for India and for > > any other country. > > > > I have always said that countries chart and approach of ascendence is > > incorrect, sages had observed planets transiting over a rashi/nakshatra > > affects different parts of world differently, It w'd be very helpful to > > astrologers if they come up with more studies in the vedic direction. > > > > Following the Vedic approach, I was able to predict - Fall of leftist in > > 2009's election and continuation of same govt in India, I could also > > very accurately predict age of strikes and bandhs to storm india, this > > year we have seen at least 60-70 major strikes in several states of > > india, You are aware that how accurately andhra pradesh's issue was seen > > as well as removal of troops from kashmir. > > > > In fact, these are not my success but this is success of vedic approach > > of jyotish. > > > > You can read excerpts of the Deepak Bisaria's article, He is a goot > > writer : > > > > http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259 > > <http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259> > > > > Brihat -Samhita of Varahamihira (575 A.D) fixes the ascendant for India > > (Bharat Varsha of that time stretching to present Afghanistan towards > > the West and Burma to the East ) as Capricorn. In the brilliant book on > > mundane astrology by M.S. Mehta and Radhika, the ascendant is Capricorn > > and Scorpio for Delhi. B.V. Raman fixed Virgo as the ascendant. Which is > > the relevant ascendant in the pre-independence era or during Ram Rajya > > needs yet to be ascertained. Mr. K.N. Rao, presently the best in mundane > > astrology, finds convincing results from Capricorn ascendant for India > > and Leo as the ascendant of the U.S. Today, with complex problems in > > front and spirituality on the back burner Taurus as ascendant for > > India's Independence horoscope has been consistently giving > > convincing results. > > > > With the swing and a shift of ascendants for different nations, perhaps > > due to ayanamsha or other reasons, it is possible that the ascendant for > > India at some time becomes Sagittarius as it is adjacent to Capricorn. > > This presumption gets support in view of India's spiritual wealth > > and a rich cultural heritage that still stands undisputed. The > > Jupitarean influence can be felt even now with spirituality still > > persisting in the atmosphere, perhaps, as a result of the collective > > tapasya of so many rishis done on its soil ! > > > > India was known as the land where rivers of honey and milk flowed and > > coined , the golden bird (sone ki chidiya). In the north of India we > > have mountains from where rivers perennially flow. This blessing of > > Jupiter is still to be properly harnessed, when done perhaps it would > > give relief from scarcity of power and water. Middle (madhya Bharat )and > > South have mountains loaded with minerals and metals. And to add to the > > riches, we have coastline of line of 6100 kms that garlands the nation. > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > With correct vedic appoach, we can predict events before they occur, > > As > > > we saw on 25'th Dec 2009's post, things have moved in the said > > > direction, Our discovery is Places and Planets are linked, countries > > > charts are misleading as no country takes birth on a date, India was > > > there before 15'th August 1947. > > > > > > It was said in following message #25486, 25'th Dec 2009 - > > > > > > /*Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > > > either Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in > > rather > > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > > strength. > > > > > > */ > > > > > > Govt has yesterday set up a committee headed by Supreme Court Judge B > > N > > > Srikrishna who will give it's report in next 3 years, thus, as we said > > > any possibility of sub division of Indian map is only in 2013-14, not > > > before that. > > > > > > > > http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- sets-up-srikrish na-p\ > > \ > > > anel-for.html > > > > > <http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- sets-up-srikrish na-\ > > \ > > > panel-for.html> > > > > > > Set up of a committee shows there will be a justified decision on this > > > issue as we saw in the same post, right now Jup is on 10'th degree, by > > > the time Jup crosses 15'th degree, committee may office etc to begin > > > it's work, as said - > > > > > > /* > > > Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 degrees becomes > > > Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted justified > > > decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be based > > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take > > place > > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > > > remote areas. > > > > > > */ > > > > > > Definitely, committee w'd do brainstorming for taking a right > > decision. > > > > > > -------- > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History is evident, Andra and Karnataka region is responsive to > > > Saturn's > > > > transit, Emergence and fall of dynasties in Andra - Karnataka region > > > has > > > > always been subject to Saturn's transit on Aries, Virgo, Scorpio, > > and > > > > Sagittarius. > > > > > > > > This study is based on following two pints - > > > > > > > > · Jup and mars are the soul and body of India. Mars is the > > > > significator of Indian subcontinent' s geography, it should not > > receive > > > > malificance of either Saturn or Rahu. > > > > > > > > · Kurma chakra says major part of Andhra region is ruled by > > > > Uttarphalguni to Chitra nakschatra of Virgo. > > > > > > > > The first Hoysala ruler's family record is dated 950 and names > > > > Arekalla as the chieftain, In 1186-87, Saturn was again in Virgo > > when > > > > Vir Ballal set Hoyasals free from the subordination laying the > > > > foundation of independent Hoyasal dynasty. > > > > > > > > In 1309 when Saturn was in Scorpio and Jup was in Capricorn, Malik > > > > Kafur, with an immense force swept into the Dakhan and captured > > > > Warangal. The old capital of the Hoysala Ballalas at Dvarasamudra > > was > > > > taken in 1310. > > > > > > > > Saturn's next transit on Virgo in 1333-1334 led to the foundation of > > > > Kingdom of Vijayanagara in 1336 while it caused declination of > > > Hoyasals > > > > ruling. Biggest defeat happened in 1565 by the Decan Sultantes, > > Saturn > > > > was in Virgo, however survived untill 1646. > > > > > > > > The origins of the Nizam dynasty can be traced to Chin Qalich Khan > > who > > > > was commander of the Mughal army during Aurangzeb's reign. Chin > > > > Qalich Khan led the attack of the Mughal army at Deccan. > > > > > > > > During Aurangzeb's last siege of Golconda in 1687 (Sat was in > > > > Virgo),Chin Qalich Khan was wounded. He died in Atapur village near > > > > Himayath Sagar. Chin Qalich Khan's son, Nawab Ghaziuddin Khan, > > > > married the daughter of Sadullah Khan, Prime Minister of Aurangzeb. > > A > > > > son was born, and the Emperor named him Mir Qumaruddin. At the age > > of > > > > six, Mir Qumaruddin accompanied his father to the Mughal court. > > > > Aurangzeb awarded him a mansab, and said to his father, " The star of > > > > destiny shines on the forehead of your son " . > > > > > > > > Mir Qumaruddin displayed considerable skill as a warrior and at the > > > age > > > > of nineteen, the Emperor bestowed on him the title " Chin Fateh > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > As said earlier, if Saturn or Rahu afflicts Jup and Mars or their > > > signs, > > > > India and Govt both has to face stiff challange, Though, Rahu is > > > > transiting Sagittarious, but Saturn is not directly involved however > > > it > > > > casting it's aspect on scorpio, but will not afflicting either Jup > > or > > > > their signs, so, no quick thoughtless reconstruction of the states > > in > > > > India. > > > > > > > > If we look at current scenario though Jup has been in debility, now > > > > transits Aquarius. > > > > Jup in Aquarius always tend to put Indian rulers in ordeal, posing > > > > challanges to show competence, If government shows it, ruling team > > > > continues otherwise changes come, at least revamp of cabinet is > > > likely. > > > > > > > > For the curent movement for division of Andhra, transit indicates a > > > > turning point is likely to emerge, as Jup w'd soon move out to > > Pisces > > > in > > > > May 2010, Simultaneously, Mars w'd also come out of it's debility, > > > This > > > > pattern of transit shows current turbulance to pacify, It should get > > > > distilled by April - May 2010, Earlier, I thought it to cool down in > > a > > > > month's time but forgot to notice Saturn is going in standstill > > > > mode, seems this saturn will keep simmering the current protest for > > > some > > > > more time, Anyways, Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 > > degrees > > > > becomes Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted > > > > justified decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be > > > based > > > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take > > > place > > > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > > > > remote areas. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > > > either > > > > Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in rather > > > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > > > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > > > strength. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup signifies the integrity of country and it's wellness as well, we > > > > should rest assured that after MAY 2010, India w'd have a high > > > > performance govt, either same team and leader will work > > significantly > > > > better or somebody new come into picture. Jup and Mars when transits > > > > Pisces or Aries they try their best to give a high performace govt > > to > > > > this country, remain hopeful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in > > chart, > > > > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > > > > have read in ancient history. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- > > > > Utkal Panigrahi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 First of all, don't pass sweeping statements that reduction in presence of army in kashmir by removal of 30,000 troops is a common practice that happens in spring and automn, when two years back 30,000 troops were removed. That was posted before removal of troops and after it got posted same happened, it could not have happened or could have postponed but that it happened and It happened in a scenario when there is tremendous threat by terrorists and already war is going on with terror in that region, Taliban's and Al - Kaida is very active. But, planets who ruled mind, diverted indian rulers and they undertook a wrong step in such an alarming scenario as said in the same post. Next is, what you lack is, even for any common happening, you don't try to find astrological factors involved, Improve your basics. , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > You are welcome. This is exactly I am trying to put across to people like Utkal. He gives a prediction that the person will get a job around NCR in Delhi and runs off when asked reasons for giving such a prediction. > > Its a common knowledge that movement of troops around the border is a natural phenomenon and it happens twice a year i.e., around spring and autumn, now you pass it on as a prediction and then run off again when asked for reasons. > > There are many instances. Koorma Chakra, Sanghatta Rashi Chakra, Kota Chakra, Sanghatta Nakshatra Chakra, Sarvato Bhadra Chakra are some methods for working out mundane predictions, is what I know. Ever sankranti chart, poornima, amavasya chart is also prepared for giving out mundane predictions is also what i know besides some other things too. > > And I still hold nothing against anyone. My only concern is that such forums should not be allowed to be used by people who preach a lot but have nothing to show. > > regards, > > Manoj > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani > > Fri, February 5, 2010 6:57:23 PM > Re: Ascendent of India & Related Problems > >  > Dear Manoj_jee and others, > > I have no desire to walk into this massive cross-fire but would like to put in my ant's two cents, if I may ...? > > Nations like India (and others?) perhaps must have several charts and not just one and only that will serve throughout LARGER TIMEFRAMES (Yuga/Yugas) ? > > I have the irrational faith (can't prove it to engineers, accountants, lawyers, scientists etc.) that this belief of mine about Nations and Cultures/Communitie s is perhaps reflected in astrological verity and day-to-day practical astrology via: Birthcharts, vargas, Varsha-charts, Murti-Nirnaya, and many more *progressions* that we all utilize! And not just in the Jyotish framework! > > My sincere apologies to all members here for sticking my nose (or antlers?) where they perhaps do not belong...! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Manoj Kumar mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > Varaha Mihir gave us Capricorn and Modern India in its present form has Taurus as ascendant. Capricorn works well and has been found to give results for not only India alone but for the entire region mentioned in that write up. > > > > regards, > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > > > > Fri, February 5, 2010 12:38:32 PM > > Ascendent of India & Related Problems > > > >  > > > > Group, > > > > How, an incorrect approach lands astrologers in trouble can be seen in > > an article published in newsletter of Journal of Astrology, they refer > > to at least 3 ascendents for our country, India - > > > > 1. Capricorn, Proposed by Varahmihira and followed by Prof K N Rao > > 2. Virgo, Proposed by B.V Raman and followed by ICAS > > 3. Taurus, Based on 15'th August 1947's independence chart. > > > > So, we have got 3 ascendents for our country, the author of the article > > Mr Deepak Bisaria is a nice scholar with patriotic approach, somehow, he > > looks inclined towards 4'th ascendent for india which is Saggitarius. > > > > The point to ponder is why all 4 ascendents are able to justify events > > happening in country, strange is BVB on the one hand talks about > > capricorn ascendent and at the same time on the other says India is > > running under Sun dasa based on Taurus ascendent chart of India, so, > > they says something on the basis of Sun dasa and some other things on > > the basis of Capricorn ascendent. > > > > As long as we are into post event researches to somehow find out a > > justification, all the 12 ascendents w'd look suitable for India and for > > any other country. > > > > I have always said that countries chart and approach of ascendence is > > incorrect, sages had observed planets transiting over a rashi/nakshatra > > affects different parts of world differently, It w'd be very helpful to > > astrologers if they come up with more studies in the vedic direction. > > > > Following the Vedic approach, I was able to predict - Fall of leftist in > > 2009's election and continuation of same govt in India, I could also > > very accurately predict age of strikes and bandhs to storm india, this > > year we have seen at least 60-70 major strikes in several states of > > india, You are aware that how accurately andhra pradesh's issue was seen > > as well as removal of troops from kashmir. > > > > In fact, these are not my success but this is success of vedic approach > > of jyotish. > > > > You can read excerpts of the Deepak Bisaria's article, He is a goot > > writer : > > > > http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259 > > <http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259> > > > > Brihat -Samhita of Varahamihira (575 A.D) fixes the ascendant for India > > (Bharat Varsha of that time stretching to present Afghanistan towards > > the West and Burma to the East ) as Capricorn. In the brilliant book on > > mundane astrology by M.S. Mehta and Radhika, the ascendant is Capricorn > > and Scorpio for Delhi. B.V. Raman fixed Virgo as the ascendant. Which is > > the relevant ascendant in the pre-independence era or during Ram Rajya > > needs yet to be ascertained. Mr. K.N. Rao, presently the best in mundane > > astrology, finds convincing results from Capricorn ascendant for India > > and Leo as the ascendant of the U.S. Today, with complex problems in > > front and spirituality on the back burner Taurus as ascendant for > > India's Independence horoscope has been consistently giving > > convincing results. > > > > With the swing and a shift of ascendants for different nations, perhaps > > due to ayanamsha or other reasons, it is possible that the ascendant for > > India at some time becomes Sagittarius as it is adjacent to Capricorn. > > This presumption gets support in view of India's spiritual wealth > > and a rich cultural heritage that still stands undisputed. The > > Jupitarean influence can be felt even now with spirituality still > > persisting in the atmosphere, perhaps, as a result of the collective > > tapasya of so many rishis done on its soil ! > > > > India was known as the land where rivers of honey and milk flowed and > > coined , the golden bird (sone ki chidiya). In the north of India we > > have mountains from where rivers perennially flow. This blessing of > > Jupiter is still to be properly harnessed, when done perhaps it would > > give relief from scarcity of power and water. Middle (madhya Bharat )and > > South have mountains loaded with minerals and metals. And to add to the > > riches, we have coastline of line of 6100 kms that garlands the nation. > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > With correct vedic appoach, we can predict events before they occur, > > As > > > we saw on 25'th Dec 2009's post, things have moved in the said > > > direction, Our discovery is Places and Planets are linked, countries > > > charts are misleading as no country takes birth on a date, India was > > > there before 15'th August 1947. > > > > > > It was said in following message #25486, 25'th Dec 2009 - > > > > > > /*Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > > > either Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in > > rather > > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > > strength. > > > > > > */ > > > > > > Govt has yesterday set up a committee headed by Supreme Court Judge B > > N > > > Srikrishna who will give it's report in next 3 years, thus, as we said > > > any possibility of sub division of Indian map is only in 2013-14, not > > > before that. > > > > > > > > http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- sets-up-srikrish na-p\ > > \ > > > anel-for.html > > > > > <http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- sets-up-srikrish na-\ > > \ > > > panel-for.html> > > > > > > Set up of a committee shows there will be a justified decision on this > > > issue as we saw in the same post, right now Jup is on 10'th degree, by > > > the time Jup crosses 15'th degree, committee may office etc to begin > > > it's work, as said - > > > > > > /* > > > Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 degrees becomes > > > Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted justified > > > decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be based > > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take > > place > > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > > > remote areas. > > > > > > */ > > > > > > Definitely, committee w'd do brainstorming for taking a right > > decision. > > > > > > -------- > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History is evident, Andra and Karnataka region is responsive to > > > Saturn's > > > > transit, Emergence and fall of dynasties in Andra - Karnataka region > > > has > > > > always been subject to Saturn's transit on Aries, Virgo, Scorpio, > > and > > > > Sagittarius. > > > > > > > > This study is based on following two pints - > > > > > > > > · Jup and mars are the soul and body of India. Mars is the > > > > significator of Indian subcontinent' s geography, it should not > > receive > > > > malificance of either Saturn or Rahu. > > > > > > > > · Kurma chakra says major part of Andhra region is ruled by > > > > Uttarphalguni to Chitra nakschatra of Virgo. > > > > > > > > The first Hoysala ruler's family record is dated 950 and names > > > > Arekalla as the chieftain, In 1186-87, Saturn was again in Virgo > > when > > > > Vir Ballal set Hoyasals free from the subordination laying the > > > > foundation of independent Hoyasal dynasty. > > > > > > > > In 1309 when Saturn was in Scorpio and Jup was in Capricorn, Malik > > > > Kafur, with an immense force swept into the Dakhan and captured > > > > Warangal. The old capital of the Hoysala Ballalas at Dvarasamudra > > was > > > > taken in 1310. > > > > > > > > Saturn's next transit on Virgo in 1333-1334 led to the foundation of > > > > Kingdom of Vijayanagara in 1336 while it caused declination of > > > Hoyasals > > > > ruling. Biggest defeat happened in 1565 by the Decan Sultantes, > > Saturn > > > > was in Virgo, however survived untill 1646. > > > > > > > > The origins of the Nizam dynasty can be traced to Chin Qalich Khan > > who > > > > was commander of the Mughal army during Aurangzeb's reign. Chin > > > > Qalich Khan led the attack of the Mughal army at Deccan. > > > > > > > > During Aurangzeb's last siege of Golconda in 1687 (Sat was in > > > > Virgo),Chin Qalich Khan was wounded. He died in Atapur village near > > > > Himayath Sagar. Chin Qalich Khan's son, Nawab Ghaziuddin Khan, > > > > married the daughter of Sadullah Khan, Prime Minister of Aurangzeb. > > A > > > > son was born, and the Emperor named him Mir Qumaruddin. At the age > > of > > > > six, Mir Qumaruddin accompanied his father to the Mughal court. > > > > Aurangzeb awarded him a mansab, and said to his father, " The star of > > > > destiny shines on the forehead of your son " . > > > > > > > > Mir Qumaruddin displayed considerable skill as a warrior and at the > > > age > > > > of nineteen, the Emperor bestowed on him the title " Chin Fateh > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > As said earlier, if Saturn or Rahu afflicts Jup and Mars or their > > > signs, > > > > India and Govt both has to face stiff challange, Though, Rahu is > > > > transiting Sagittarious, but Saturn is not directly involved however > > > it > > > > casting it's aspect on scorpio, but will not afflicting either Jup > > or > > > > their signs, so, no quick thoughtless reconstruction of the states > > in > > > > India. > > > > > > > > If we look at current scenario though Jup has been in debility, now > > > > transits Aquarius. > > > > Jup in Aquarius always tend to put Indian rulers in ordeal, posing > > > > challanges to show competence, If government shows it, ruling team > > > > continues otherwise changes come, at least revamp of cabinet is > > > likely. > > > > > > > > For the curent movement for division of Andhra, transit indicates a > > > > turning point is likely to emerge, as Jup w'd soon move out to > > Pisces > > > in > > > > May 2010, Simultaneously, Mars w'd also come out of it's debility, > > > This > > > > pattern of transit shows current turbulance to pacify, It should get > > > > distilled by April - May 2010, Earlier, I thought it to cool down in > > a > > > > month's time but forgot to notice Saturn is going in standstill > > > > mode, seems this saturn will keep simmering the current protest for > > > some > > > > more time, Anyways, Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 > > degrees > > > > becomes Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted > > > > justified decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be > > > based > > > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take > > > place > > > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > > > > remote areas. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > > > either > > > > Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in rather > > > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > > > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > > > strength. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup signifies the integrity of country and it's wellness as well, we > > > > should rest assured that after MAY 2010, India w'd have a high > > > > performance govt, either same team and leader will work > > significantly > > > > better or somebody new come into picture. Jup and Mars when transits > > > > Pisces or Aries they try their best to give a high performace govt > > to > > > > this country, remain hopeful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in > > chart, > > > > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > > > > have read in ancient history. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- > > > > Utkal Panigrahi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Manoj, you and people like you will alway's learn in hard way, but not every body, either follow and work in the direction shown or remain trapped where you are, your choice. I have not told you the reason why that guy worked in delhi ncr because of your attitude, It's my choice whom I should teach and whom I should not. As said, not 4 lagnas but you people can continue taking 12 lagnas for our country and can happy with post incorrect event justification as happened in last 20 - 25 yrs, with no prediction before an event they became stalwart of jyotish, no issues, I want you people to continue doing same mistakes and be happy, not everybody deserves knowledge. , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Dear Ranjan, > > One always learns the hard way. There is no easy way out. One has to grind through many methods, techniques, accept some and reject some approach needs to be adopted then and also meet one prediction wonders too. The moment sample size is increased these researches start falling apart like a pack of 9 pins. > > regards, > > Manoj > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani > > Fri, February 5, 2010 7:31:10 PM > Re: Ascendent of India & Related Problems > >  > Sir! > > Some forty five years ago or a few years before that perhaps when I was almost a teenager, I read about a wonderful technique by someone from Nargoal_Gujrat who had a series of books on astrology that the reader could order, read and arrive at the perfect prediction! I did and really got into it and found some uncanny correlations but when the sample-size increased the techniques failed. I felt foolish for having spent my meagre pocket-money on those books, rather than the projector that I could have ordered instead by mail-order! > > I eventually, did live up to my dream, and managed to order the hand-cranked projector! Trust me, I learned more about astrology and *projection* through those teen-age experiences than I have ever cared to admit! > > My heat-felt prayers and sincere wishes have always been that everyone else does too! > > Ranjan > > , Manoj Kumar mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > You are welcome. This is exactly I am trying to put across to people like Utkal. He gives a prediction that the person will get a job around NCR in Delhi and runs off when asked reasons for giving such a prediction. > > > > Its a common knowledge that movement of troops around the border is a natural phenomenon and it happens twice a year i.e., around spring and autumn, now you pass it on as a prediction and then run off again when asked for reasons. > > > > There are many instances. Koorma Chakra, Sanghatta Rashi Chakra, Kota Chakra, Sanghatta Nakshatra Chakra, Sarvato Bhadra Chakra are some methods for working out mundane predictions, is what I know. Ever sankranti chart, poornima, amavasya chart is also prepared for giving out mundane predictions is also what i know besides some other things too. > > > > And I still hold nothing against anyone. My only concern is that such forums should not be allowed to be used by people who preach a lot but have nothing to show. > > > > regards, > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Fri, February 5, 2010 6:57:23 PM > > Re: Ascendent of India & Related Problems > > > >  > > Dear Manoj_jee and others, > > > > I have no desire to walk into this massive cross-fire but would like to put in my ant's two cents, if I may ...? > > > > Nations like India (and others?) perhaps must have several charts and not just one and only that will serve throughout LARGER TIMEFRAMES (Yuga/Yugas) ? > > > > I have the irrational faith (can't prove it to engineers, accountants, lawyers, scientists etc.) that this belief of mine about Nations and Cultures/Communitie s is perhaps reflected in astrological verity and day-to-day practical astrology via: Birthcharts, vargas, Varsha-charts, Murti-Nirnaya, and many more *progressions* that we all utilize! And not just in the Jyotish framework! > > > > My sincere apologies to all members here for sticking my nose (or antlers?) where they perhaps do not belong...! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > > > Varaha Mihir gave us Capricorn and Modern India in its present form has Taurus as ascendant. Capricorn works well and has been found to give results for not only India alone but for the entire region mentioned in that write up. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > > > > > > Fri, February 5, 2010 12:38:32 PM > > > Ascendent of India & Related Problems > > > > > >  > > > > > > Group, > > > > > > How, an incorrect approach lands astrologers in trouble can be seen in > > > an article published in newsletter of Journal of Astrology, they refer > > > to at least 3 ascendents for our country, India - > > > > > > 1. Capricorn, Proposed by Varahmihira and followed by Prof K N Rao > > > 2. Virgo, Proposed by B.V Raman and followed by ICAS > > > 3. Taurus, Based on 15'th August 1947's independence chart. > > > > > > So, we have got 3 ascendents for our country, the author of the article > > > Mr Deepak Bisaria is a nice scholar with patriotic approach, somehow, he > > > looks inclined towards 4'th ascendent for india which is Saggitarius. > > > > > > The point to ponder is why all 4 ascendents are able to justify events > > > happening in country, strange is BVB on the one hand talks about > > > capricorn ascendent and at the same time on the other says India is > > > running under Sun dasa based on Taurus ascendent chart of India, so, > > > they says something on the basis of Sun dasa and some other things on > > > the basis of Capricorn ascendent. > > > > > > As long as we are into post event researches to somehow find out a > > > justification, all the 12 ascendents w'd look suitable for India and for > > > any other country. > > > > > > I have always said that countries chart and approach of ascendence is > > > incorrect, sages had observed planets transiting over a rashi/nakshatra > > > affects different parts of world differently, It w'd be very helpful to > > > astrologers if they come up with more studies in the vedic direction. > > > > > > Following the Vedic approach, I was able to predict - Fall of leftist in > > > 2009's election and continuation of same govt in India, I could also > > > very accurately predict age of strikes and bandhs to storm india, this > > > year we have seen at least 60-70 major strikes in several states of > > > india, You are aware that how accurately andhra pradesh's issue was seen > > > as well as removal of troops from kashmir. > > > > > > In fact, these are not my success but this is success of vedic approach > > > of jyotish. > > > > > > You can read excerpts of the Deepak Bisaria's article, He is a goot > > > writer : > > > > > > http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259 > > > <http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259> > > > > > > Brihat -Samhita of Varahamihira (575 A.D) fixes the ascendant for India > > > (Bharat Varsha of that time stretching to present Afghanistan towards > > > the West and Burma to the East ) as Capricorn. In the brilliant book on > > > mundane astrology by M.S. Mehta and Radhika, the ascendant is Capricorn > > > and Scorpio for Delhi. B.V. Raman fixed Virgo as the ascendant. Which is > > > the relevant ascendant in the pre-independence era or during Ram Rajya > > > needs yet to be ascertained. Mr. K.N. Rao, presently the best in mundane > > > astrology, finds convincing results from Capricorn ascendant for India > > > and Leo as the ascendant of the U.S. Today, with complex problems in > > > front and spirituality on the back burner Taurus as ascendant for > > > India's Independence horoscope has been consistently giving > > > convincing results. > > > > > > With the swing and a shift of ascendants for different nations, perhaps > > > due to ayanamsha or other reasons, it is possible that the ascendant for > > > India at some time becomes Sagittarius as it is adjacent to Capricorn. > > > This presumption gets support in view of India's spiritual wealth > > > and a rich cultural heritage that still stands undisputed. The > > > Jupitarean influence can be felt even now with spirituality still > > > persisting in the atmosphere, perhaps, as a result of the collective > > > tapasya of so many rishis done on its soil ! > > > > > > India was known as the land where rivers of honey and milk flowed and > > > coined , the golden bird (sone ki chidiya). In the north of India we > > > have mountains from where rivers perennially flow. This blessing of > > > Jupiter is still to be properly harnessed, when done perhaps it would > > > give relief from scarcity of power and water. Middle (madhya Bharat )and > > > South have mountains loaded with minerals and metals. And to add to the > > > riches, we have coastline of line of 6100 kms that garlands the nation. > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With correct vedic appoach, we can predict events before they occur, > > > As > > > > we saw on 25'th Dec 2009's post, things have moved in the said > > > > direction, Our discovery is Places and Planets are linked, countries > > > > charts are misleading as no country takes birth on a date, India was > > > > there before 15'th August 1947. > > > > > > > > It was said in following message #25486, 25'th Dec 2009 - > > > > > > > > /*Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > > > > either Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in > > > rather > > > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > > > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > > > strength. > > > > > > > > */ > > > > > > > > Govt has yesterday set up a committee headed by Supreme Court Judge B > > > N > > > > Srikrishna who will give it's report in next 3 years, thus, as we said > > > > any possibility of sub division of Indian map is only in 2013-14, not > > > > before that. > > > > > > > > > > > http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- sets-up-srikrish na-p\ > > > \ > > > > anel-for.html > > > > > > > <http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- sets-up-srikrish na-\ > > > \ > > > > panel-for.html> > > > > > > > > Set up of a committee shows there will be a justified decision on this > > > > issue as we saw in the same post, right now Jup is on 10'th degree, by > > > > the time Jup crosses 15'th degree, committee may office etc to begin > > > > it's work, as said - > > > > > > > > /* > > > > Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 degrees becomes > > > > Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted justified > > > > decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be based > > > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take > > > place > > > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > > > > remote areas. > > > > > > > > */ > > > > > > > > Definitely, committee w'd do brainstorming for taking a right > > > decision. > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History is evident, Andra and Karnataka region is responsive to > > > > Saturn's > > > > > transit, Emergence and fall of dynasties in Andra - Karnataka region > > > > has > > > > > always been subject to Saturn's transit on Aries, Virgo, Scorpio, > > > and > > > > > Sagittarius. > > > > > > > > > > This study is based on following two pints - > > > > > > > > > > · Jup and mars are the soul and body of India. Mars is the > > > > > significator of Indian subcontinent' s geography, it should not > > > receive > > > > > malificance of either Saturn or Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > · Kurma chakra says major part of Andhra region is ruled by > > > > > Uttarphalguni to Chitra nakschatra of Virgo. > > > > > > > > > > The first Hoysala ruler's family record is dated 950 and names > > > > > Arekalla as the chieftain, In 1186-87, Saturn was again in Virgo > > > when > > > > > Vir Ballal set Hoyasals free from the subordination laying the > > > > > foundation of independent Hoyasal dynasty. > > > > > > > > > > In 1309 when Saturn was in Scorpio and Jup was in Capricorn, Malik > > > > > Kafur, with an immense force swept into the Dakhan and captured > > > > > Warangal. The old capital of the Hoysala Ballalas at Dvarasamudra > > > was > > > > > taken in 1310. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's next transit on Virgo in 1333-1334 led to the foundation of > > > > > Kingdom of Vijayanagara in 1336 while it caused declination of > > > > Hoyasals > > > > > ruling. Biggest defeat happened in 1565 by the Decan Sultantes, > > > Saturn > > > > > was in Virgo, however survived untill 1646. > > > > > > > > > > The origins of the Nizam dynasty can be traced to Chin Qalich Khan > > > who > > > > > was commander of the Mughal army during Aurangzeb's reign. Chin > > > > > Qalich Khan led the attack of the Mughal army at Deccan. > > > > > > > > > > During Aurangzeb's last siege of Golconda in 1687 (Sat was in > > > > > Virgo),Chin Qalich Khan was wounded. He died in Atapur village near > > > > > Himayath Sagar. Chin Qalich Khan's son, Nawab Ghaziuddin Khan, > > > > > married the daughter of Sadullah Khan, Prime Minister of Aurangzeb. > > > A > > > > > son was born, and the Emperor named him Mir Qumaruddin. At the age > > > of > > > > > six, Mir Qumaruddin accompanied his father to the Mughal court. > > > > > Aurangzeb awarded him a mansab, and said to his father, " The star of > > > > > destiny shines on the forehead of your son " . > > > > > > > > > > Mir Qumaruddin displayed considerable skill as a warrior and at the > > > > age > > > > > of nineteen, the Emperor bestowed on him the title " Chin Fateh > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > As said earlier, if Saturn or Rahu afflicts Jup and Mars or their > > > > signs, > > > > > India and Govt both has to face stiff challange, Though, Rahu is > > > > > transiting Sagittarious, but Saturn is not directly involved however > > > > it > > > > > casting it's aspect on scorpio, but will not afflicting either Jup > > > or > > > > > their signs, so, no quick thoughtless reconstruction of the states > > > in > > > > > India. > > > > > > > > > > If we look at current scenario though Jup has been in debility, now > > > > > transits Aquarius. > > > > > Jup in Aquarius always tend to put Indian rulers in ordeal, posing > > > > > challanges to show competence, If government shows it, ruling team > > > > > continues otherwise changes come, at least revamp of cabinet is > > > > likely. > > > > > > > > > > For the curent movement for division of Andhra, transit indicates a > > > > > turning point is likely to emerge, as Jup w'd soon move out to > > > Pisces > > > > in > > > > > May 2010, Simultaneously, Mars w'd also come out of it's debility, > > > > This > > > > > pattern of transit shows current turbulance to pacify, It should get > > > > > distilled by April - May 2010, Earlier, I thought it to cool down in > > > a > > > > > month's time but forgot to notice Saturn is going in standstill > > > > > mode, seems this saturn will keep simmering the current protest for > > > > some > > > > > more time, Anyways, Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 > > > degrees > > > > > becomes Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted > > > > > justified decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be > > > > based > > > > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take > > > > place > > > > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > > > > > remote areas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > > > > either > > > > > Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in rather > > > > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > > > > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > > > > strength. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup signifies the integrity of country and it's wellness as well, we > > > > > should rest assured that after MAY 2010, India w'd have a high > > > > > performance govt, either same team and leader will work > > > significantly > > > > > better or somebody new come into picture. Jup and Mars when transits > > > > > Pisces or Aries they try their best to give a high performace govt > > > to > > > > > this country, remain hopeful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in > > > chart, > > > > > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > > > > > have read in ancient history. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- > > > > > Utkal Panigrahi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Dear Manoj, In my experience increasing the sample size does tear apart the findings of a smaller research, however, it takes time and skill to understand why it has fallen apart. Once contra indications are looked for then the poetry of that rationale behind the significations of the planets and signs is revealed to perfection. best wishes Marg - Manoj Kumar Saturday, February 06, 2010 3:37 AM Re: Re: Ascendent of India & Related Problems Dear Ranjan, One always learns the hard way. There is no easy way out. One has to grind through many methods, techniques, accept some and reject some approach needs to be adopted then and also meet one prediction wonders too. The moment sample size is increased these researches start falling apart like a pack of 9 pins. regards, Manoj ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Fri, February 5, 2010 7:31:10 PM Re: Ascendent of India & Related Problems Sir! Some forty five years ago or a few years before that perhaps when I was almost a teenager, I read about a wonderful technique by someone from Nargoal_Gujrat who had a series of books on astrology that the reader could order, read and arrive at the perfect prediction! I did and really got into it and found some uncanny correlations but when the sample-size increased the techniques failed. I felt foolish for having spent my meagre pocket-money on those books, rather than the projector that I could have ordered instead by mail-order! I eventually, did live up to my dream, and managed to order the hand-cranked projector! Trust me, I learned more about astrology and *projection* through those teen-age experiences than I have ever cared to admit! My heat-felt prayers and sincere wishes have always been that everyone else does too! Ranjan , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: > > You are welcome. This is exactly I am trying to put across to people like Utkal. He gives a prediction that the person will get a job around NCR in Delhi and runs off when asked reasons for giving such a prediction. > > Its a common knowledge that movement of troops around the border is a natural phenomenon and it happens twice a year i.e., around spring and autumn, now you pass it on as a prediction and then run off again when asked for reasons. > > There are many instances. Koorma Chakra, Sanghatta Rashi Chakra, Kota Chakra, Sanghatta Nakshatra Chakra, Sarvato Bhadra Chakra are some methods for working out mundane predictions, is what I know. Ever sankranti chart, poornima, amavasya chart is also prepared for giving out mundane predictions is also what i know besides some other things too. > > And I still hold nothing against anyone. My only concern is that such forums should not be allowed to be used by people who preach a lot but have nothing to show. > > regards, > > Manoj > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Fri, February 5, 2010 6:57:23 PM > Re: Ascendent of India & Related Problems > >  > Dear Manoj_jee and others, > > I have no desire to walk into this massive cross-fire but would like to put in my ant's two cents, if I may ...? > > Nations like India (and others?) perhaps must have several charts and not just one and only that will serve throughout LARGER TIMEFRAMES (Yuga/Yugas) ? > > I have the irrational faith (can't prove it to engineers, accountants, lawyers, scientists etc.) that this belief of mine about Nations and Cultures/Communitie s is perhaps reflected in astrological verity and day-to-day practical astrology via: Birthcharts, vargas, Varsha-charts, Murti-Nirnaya, and many more *progressions* that we all utilize! And not just in the Jyotish framework! > > My sincere apologies to all members here for sticking my nose (or antlers?) where they perhaps do not belong...! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > Varaha Mihir gave us Capricorn and Modern India in its present form has Taurus as ascendant. Capricorn works well and has been found to give results for not only India alone but for the entire region mentioned in that write up. > > > > regards, > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > > > > Fri, February 5, 2010 12:38:32 PM > > Ascendent of India & Related Problems > > > >  > > > > Group, > > > > How, an incorrect approach lands astrologers in trouble can be seen in > > an article published in newsletter of Journal of Astrology, they refer > > to at least 3 ascendents for our country, India - > > > > 1. Capricorn, Proposed by Varahmihira and followed by Prof K N Rao > > 2. Virgo, Proposed by B.V Raman and followed by ICAS > > 3. Taurus, Based on 15'th August 1947's independence chart. > > > > So, we have got 3 ascendents for our country, the author of the article > > Mr Deepak Bisaria is a nice scholar with patriotic approach, somehow, he > > looks inclined towards 4'th ascendent for india which is Saggitarius. > > > > The point to ponder is why all 4 ascendents are able to justify events > > happening in country, strange is BVB on the one hand talks about > > capricorn ascendent and at the same time on the other says India is > > running under Sun dasa based on Taurus ascendent chart of India, so, > > they says something on the basis of Sun dasa and some other things on > > the basis of Capricorn ascendent. > > > > As long as we are into post event researches to somehow find out a > > justification, all the 12 ascendents w'd look suitable for India and for > > any other country. > > > > I have always said that countries chart and approach of ascendence is > > incorrect, sages had observed planets transiting over a rashi/nakshatra > > affects different parts of world differently, It w'd be very helpful to > > astrologers if they come up with more studies in the vedic direction. > > > > Following the Vedic approach, I was able to predict - Fall of leftist in > > 2009's election and continuation of same govt in India, I could also > > very accurately predict age of strikes and bandhs to storm india, this > > year we have seen at least 60-70 major strikes in several states of > > india, You are aware that how accurately andhra pradesh's issue was seen > > as well as removal of troops from kashmir. > > > > In fact, these are not my success but this is success of vedic approach > > of jyotish. > > > > You can read excerpts of the Deepak Bisaria's article, He is a goot > > writer : > > > > http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259 > > <http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259> > > > > Brihat -Samhita of Varahamihira (575 A.D) fixes the ascendant for India > > (Bharat Varsha of that time stretching to present Afghanistan towards > > the West and Burma to the East ) as Capricorn. In the brilliant book on > > mundane astrology by M.S. Mehta and Radhika, the ascendant is Capricorn > > and Scorpio for Delhi. B.V. Raman fixed Virgo as the ascendant. Which is > > the relevant ascendant in the pre-independence era or during Ram Rajya > > needs yet to be ascertained. Mr. K.N. Rao, presently the best in mundane > > astrology, finds convincing results from Capricorn ascendant for India > > and Leo as the ascendant of the U.S. Today, with complex problems in > > front and spirituality on the back burner Taurus as ascendant for > > India's Independence horoscope has been consistently giving > > convincing results. > > > > With the swing and a shift of ascendants for different nations, perhaps > > due to ayanamsha or other reasons, it is possible that the ascendant for > > India at some time becomes Sagittarius as it is adjacent to Capricorn. > > This presumption gets support in view of India's spiritual wealth > > and a rich cultural heritage that still stands undisputed. The > > Jupitarean influence can be felt even now with spirituality still > > persisting in the atmosphere, perhaps, as a result of the collective > > tapasya of so many rishis done on its soil ! > > > > India was known as the land where rivers of honey and milk flowed and > > coined , the golden bird (sone ki chidiya). In the north of India we > > have mountains from where rivers perennially flow. This blessing of > > Jupiter is still to be properly harnessed, when done perhaps it would > > give relief from scarcity of power and water. Middle (madhya Bharat )and > > South have mountains loaded with minerals and metals. And to add to the > > riches, we have coastline of line of 6100 kms that garlands the nation. > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > With correct vedic appoach, we can predict events before they occur, > > As > > > we saw on 25'th Dec 2009's post, things have moved in the said > > > direction, Our discovery is Places and Planets are linked, countries > > > charts are misleading as no country takes birth on a date, India was > > > there before 15'th August 1947. > > > > > > It was said in following message #25486, 25'th Dec 2009 - > > > > > > /*Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > > > either Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in > > rather > > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > > strength. > > > > > > */ > > > > > > Govt has yesterday set up a committee headed by Supreme Court Judge B > > N > > > Srikrishna who will give it's report in next 3 years, thus, as we said > > > any possibility of sub division of Indian map is only in 2013-14, not > > > before that. > > > > > > > > http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- sets-up-srikrish na-p\ > > \ > > > anel-for.html > > > > > <http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- sets-up-srikrish na-\ > > \ > > > panel-for.html> > > > > > > Set up of a committee shows there will be a justified decision on this > > > issue as we saw in the same post, right now Jup is on 10'th degree, by > > > the time Jup crosses 15'th degree, committee may office etc to begin > > > it's work, as said - > > > > > > /* > > > Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 degrees becomes > > > Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted justified > > > decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be based > > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take > > place > > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > > > remote areas. > > > > > > */ > > > > > > Definitely, committee w'd do brainstorming for taking a right > > decision. > > > > > > -------- > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History is evident, Andra and Karnataka region is responsive to > > > Saturn's > > > > transit, Emergence and fall of dynasties in Andra - Karnataka region > > > has > > > > always been subject to Saturn's transit on Aries, Virgo, Scorpio, > > and > > > > Sagittarius. > > > > > > > > This study is based on following two pints - > > > > > > > > · Jup and mars are the soul and body of India. Mars is the > > > > significator of Indian subcontinent' s geography, it should not > > receive > > > > malificance of either Saturn or Rahu. > > > > > > > > · Kurma chakra says major part of Andhra region is ruled by > > > > Uttarphalguni to Chitra nakschatra of Virgo. > > > > > > > > The first Hoysala ruler's family record is dated 950 and names > > > > Arekalla as the chieftain, In 1186-87, Saturn was again in Virgo > > when > > > > Vir Ballal set Hoyasals free from the subordination laying the > > > > foundation of independent Hoyasal dynasty. > > > > > > > > In 1309 when Saturn was in Scorpio and Jup was in Capricorn, Malik > > > > Kafur, with an immense force swept into the Dakhan and captured > > > > Warangal. The old capital of the Hoysala Ballalas at Dvarasamudra > > was > > > > taken in 1310. > > > > > > > > Saturn's next transit on Virgo in 1333-1334 led to the foundation of > > > > Kingdom of Vijayanagara in 1336 while it caused declination of > > > Hoyasals > > > > ruling. Biggest defeat happened in 1565 by the Decan Sultantes, > > Saturn > > > > was in Virgo, however survived untill 1646. > > > > > > > > The origins of the Nizam dynasty can be traced to Chin Qalich Khan > > who > > > > was commander of the Mughal army during Aurangzeb's reign. Chin > > > > Qalich Khan led the attack of the Mughal army at Deccan. > > > > > > > > During Aurangzeb's last siege of Golconda in 1687 (Sat was in > > > > Virgo),Chin Qalich Khan was wounded. He died in Atapur village near > > > > Himayath Sagar. Chin Qalich Khan's son, Nawab Ghaziuddin Khan, > > > > married the daughter of Sadullah Khan, Prime Minister of Aurangzeb. > > A > > > > son was born, and the Emperor named him Mir Qumaruddin. At the age > > of > > > > six, Mir Qumaruddin accompanied his father to the Mughal court. > > > > Aurangzeb awarded him a mansab, and said to his father, " The star of > > > > destiny shines on the forehead of your son " . > > > > > > > > Mir Qumaruddin displayed considerable skill as a warrior and at the > > > age > > > > of nineteen, the Emperor bestowed on him the title " Chin Fateh > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > As said earlier, if Saturn or Rahu afflicts Jup and Mars or their > > > signs, > > > > India and Govt both has to face stiff challange, Though, Rahu is > > > > transiting Sagittarious, but Saturn is not directly involved however > > > it > > > > casting it's aspect on scorpio, but will not afflicting either Jup > > or > > > > their signs, so, no quick thoughtless reconstruction of the states > > in > > > > India. > > > > > > > > If we look at current scenario though Jup has been in debility, now > > > > transits Aquarius. > > > > Jup in Aquarius always tend to put Indian rulers in ordeal, posing > > > > challanges to show competence, If government shows it, ruling team > > > > continues otherwise changes come, at least revamp of cabinet is > > > likely. > > > > > > > > For the curent movement for division of Andhra, transit indicates a > > > > turning point is likely to emerge, as Jup w'd soon move out to > > Pisces > > > in > > > > May 2010, Simultaneously, Mars w'd also come out of it's debility, > > > This > > > > pattern of transit shows current turbulance to pacify, It should get > > > > distilled by April - May 2010, Earlier, I thought it to cool down in > > a > > > > month's time but forgot to notice Saturn is going in standstill > > > > mode, seems this saturn will keep simmering the current protest for > > > some > > > > more time, Anyways, Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 > > degrees > > > > becomes Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted > > > > justified decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be > > > based > > > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take > > > place > > > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > > > > remote areas. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > > > either > > > > Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in rather > > > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > > > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > > > strength. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup signifies the integrity of country and it's wellness as well, we > > > > should rest assured that after MAY 2010, India w'd have a high > > > > performance govt, either same team and leader will work > > significantly > > > > better or somebody new come into picture. Jup and Mars when transits > > > > Pisces or Aries they try their best to give a high performace govt > > to > > > > this country, remain hopeful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in > > chart, > > > > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > > > > have read in ancient history. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- > > > > Utkal Panigrahi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Dear Marg, You are quite right, there are one hand vedic sages and their discoveries and on the other hand there is a handful people with expertise in either post event analysis or with expertise in analysis of known things, Jyotish world has to decide whom to follow - sages or mushrooming scholars who can comfortably tell about a country like india with two lagnas - makar and vrishabha. Nobody other then me could tell that there w'd be no terror attack on India like 26/11 despite repeated warnings, It requires lot's of courage and confidence on principles used, and these guys can see no terror attack happened since 15'th august 2009, the messages is posted in the group, any body can read it. True Vedic approach is rock solid and infallible, Varahmihira is the one who corrupted vedic principles of predictive jyotish, It was he who said India's lagna is Makar and same is followed by Prof K.N Rao and others, however, no one tried to know Varahmihira had no base saying like this, he had not mentioned anything in his support, and Prof K.N Rao and other scholars simply believed Varahmihira's work which is wrong, irony is they are using both Vrisabh lagna as well as Makar Lagna in their post event researches. I when saw, challanges are put before jyotish,conduted an earnest study for the benefit of jyotishis and with a purpose to bring them back to right track, have given 1000 yrs data for both - Andhra Troubles and removal of troops from kashmir, and predicted immediate future events, after the prediction, events came true, It's infallible. How countries chart came into existence is just becoz of the fact that in the lack of tools and awareness some jyotishis in the decade of 70-80 started applying approch of individual's chart over countries also and as those are post event analysis, they themselves and their students got satisfied, a false satisfaction. Just ask anybody who could dare write that there will be no terror attack like 26/11 next day after PM's warning, who could dare predict fall of communists and who could dare tell that there is no immediate division of the Andhra Pradesh. In fact, their tear is flowing is because they could not predict anything like this, because, their approach is wrong, their way of understanding mundane astrology is wrong despite they have dumped books on mundane matters. Before everybody I said that there will be dispute in europian union in mid 2011, you can check if that comes correct or not, what's europe's lagna, let them spend their life time in fixing it. ~Utkal. , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Dear Manoj, > In my experience increasing the sample size does tear apart the findings of a smaller research, however, it takes time and skill to understand why it has fallen apart. > Once contra indications are looked for then the poetry of that rationale behind the significations of the planets and signs is revealed to perfection. > best wishes > Marg > > - > Manoj Kumar > > Saturday, February 06, 2010 3:37 AM > Re: Re: Ascendent of India & Related Problems > > > > Dear Ranjan, > > One always learns the hard way. There is no easy way out. One has to grind through many methods, techniques, accept some and reject some approach needs to be adopted then and also meet one prediction wonders too. The moment sample size is increased these researches start falling apart like a pack of 9 pins. > > regards, > > Manoj > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani > > Fri, February 5, 2010 7:31:10 PM > Re: Ascendent of India & Related Problems > > > Sir! > > Some forty five years ago or a few years before that perhaps when I was almost a teenager, I read about a wonderful technique by someone from Nargoal_Gujrat who had a series of books on astrology that the reader could order, read and arrive at the perfect prediction! I did and really got into it and found some uncanny correlations but when the sample-size increased the techniques failed. I felt foolish for having spent my meagre pocket-money on those books, rather than the projector that I could have ordered instead by mail-order! > > I eventually, did live up to my dream, and managed to order the hand-cranked projector! Trust me, I learned more about astrology and *projection* through those teen-age experiences than I have ever cared to admit! > > My heat-felt prayers and sincere wishes have always been that everyone else does too! > > Ranjan > > , Manoj Kumar mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > You are welcome. This is exactly I am trying to put across to people like Utkal. He gives a prediction that the person will get a job around NCR in Delhi and runs off when asked reasons for giving such a prediction. > > > > Its a common knowledge that movement of troops around the border is a natural phenomenon and it happens twice a year i.e., around spring and autumn, now you pass it on as a prediction and then run off again when asked for reasons. > > > > There are many instances. Koorma Chakra, Sanghatta Rashi Chakra, Kota Chakra, Sanghatta Nakshatra Chakra, Sarvato Bhadra Chakra are some methods for working out mundane predictions, is what I know. Ever sankranti chart, poornima, amavasya chart is also prepared for giving out mundane predictions is also what i know besides some other things too. > > > > And I still hold nothing against anyone. My only concern is that such forums should not be allowed to be used by people who preach a lot but have nothing to show. > > > > regards, > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Fri, February 5, 2010 6:57:23 PM > > Re: Ascendent of India & Related Problems > > > >  > > Dear Manoj_jee and others, > > > > I have no desire to walk into this massive cross-fire but would like to put in my ant's two cents, if I may ...? > > > > Nations like India (and others?) perhaps must have several charts and not just one and only that will serve throughout LARGER TIMEFRAMES (Yuga/Yugas) ? > > > > I have the irrational faith (can't prove it to engineers, accountants, lawyers, scientists etc.) that this belief of mine about Nations and Cultures/Communitie s is perhaps reflected in astrological verity and day-to-day practical astrology via: Birthcharts, vargas, Varsha-charts, Murti-Nirnaya, and many more *progressions* that we all utilize! And not just in the Jyotish framework! > > > > My sincere apologies to all members here for sticking my nose (or antlers?) where they perhaps do not belong...! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > > > Varaha Mihir gave us Capricorn and Modern India in its present form has Taurus as ascendant. Capricorn works well and has been found to give results for not only India alone but for the entire region mentioned in that write up. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > > > > > > Fri, February 5, 2010 12:38:32 PM > > > Ascendent of India & Related Problems > > > > > >  > > > > > > Group, > > > > > > How, an incorrect approach lands astrologers in trouble can be seen in > > > an article published in newsletter of Journal of Astrology, they refer > > > to at least 3 ascendents for our country, India - > > > > > > 1. Capricorn, Proposed by Varahmihira and followed by Prof K N Rao > > > 2. Virgo, Proposed by B.V Raman and followed by ICAS > > > 3. Taurus, Based on 15'th August 1947's independence chart. > > > > > > So, we have got 3 ascendents for our country, the author of the article > > > Mr Deepak Bisaria is a nice scholar with patriotic approach, somehow, he > > > looks inclined towards 4'th ascendent for india which is Saggitarius. > > > > > > The point to ponder is why all 4 ascendents are able to justify events > > > happening in country, strange is BVB on the one hand talks about > > > capricorn ascendent and at the same time on the other says India is > > > running under Sun dasa based on Taurus ascendent chart of India, so, > > > they says something on the basis of Sun dasa and some other things on > > > the basis of Capricorn ascendent. > > > > > > As long as we are into post event researches to somehow find out a > > > justification, all the 12 ascendents w'd look suitable for India and for > > > any other country. > > > > > > I have always said that countries chart and approach of ascendence is > > > incorrect, sages had observed planets transiting over a rashi/nakshatra > > > affects different parts of world differently, It w'd be very helpful to > > > astrologers if they come up with more studies in the vedic direction. > > > > > > Following the Vedic approach, I was able to predict - Fall of leftist in > > > 2009's election and continuation of same govt in India, I could also > > > very accurately predict age of strikes and bandhs to storm india, this > > > year we have seen at least 60-70 major strikes in several states of > > > india, You are aware that how accurately andhra pradesh's issue was seen > > > as well as removal of troops from kashmir. > > > > > > In fact, these are not my success but this is success of vedic approach > > > of jyotish. > > > > > > You can read excerpts of the Deepak Bisaria's article, He is a goot > > > writer : > > > > > > http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259 > > > <http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259> > > > > > > Brihat -Samhita of Varahamihira (575 A.D) fixes the ascendant for India > > > (Bharat Varsha of that time stretching to present Afghanistan towards > > > the West and Burma to the East ) as Capricorn. In the brilliant book on > > > mundane astrology by M.S. Mehta and Radhika, the ascendant is Capricorn > > > and Scorpio for Delhi. B.V. Raman fixed Virgo as the ascendant. Which is > > > the relevant ascendant in the pre-independence era or during Ram Rajya > > > needs yet to be ascertained. Mr. K.N. Rao, presently the best in mundane > > > astrology, finds convincing results from Capricorn ascendant for India > > > and Leo as the ascendant of the U.S. Today, with complex problems in > > > front and spirituality on the back burner Taurus as ascendant for > > > India's Independence horoscope has been consistently giving > > > convincing results. > > > > > > With the swing and a shift of ascendants for different nations, perhaps > > > due to ayanamsha or other reasons, it is possible that the ascendant for > > > India at some time becomes Sagittarius as it is adjacent to Capricorn. > > > This presumption gets support in view of India's spiritual wealth > > > and a rich cultural heritage that still stands undisputed. The > > > Jupitarean influence can be felt even now with spirituality still > > > persisting in the atmosphere, perhaps, as a result of the collective > > > tapasya of so many rishis done on its soil ! > > > > > > India was known as the land where rivers of honey and milk flowed and > > > coined , the golden bird (sone ki chidiya). In the north of India we > > > have mountains from where rivers perennially flow. This blessing of > > > Jupiter is still to be properly harnessed, when done perhaps it would > > > give relief from scarcity of power and water. Middle (madhya Bharat )and > > > South have mountains loaded with minerals and metals. And to add to the > > > riches, we have coastline of line of 6100 kms that garlands the nation. > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With correct vedic appoach, we can predict events before they occur, > > > As > > > > we saw on 25'th Dec 2009's post, things have moved in the said > > > > direction, Our discovery is Places and Planets are linked, countries > > > > charts are misleading as no country takes birth on a date, India was > > > > there before 15'th August 1947. > > > > > > > > It was said in following message #25486, 25'th Dec 2009 - > > > > > > > > /*Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > > > > either Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in > > > rather > > > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > > > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > > > strength. > > > > > > > > */ > > > > > > > > Govt has yesterday set up a committee headed by Supreme Court Judge B > > > N > > > > Srikrishna who will give it's report in next 3 years, thus, as we said > > > > any possibility of sub division of Indian map is only in 2013-14, not > > > > before that. > > > > > > > > > > > http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- sets-up-srikrish na-p\ > > > \ > > > > anel-for.html > > > > > > > <http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- sets-up-srikrish na-\ > > > \ > > > > panel-for.html> > > > > > > > > Set up of a committee shows there will be a justified decision on this > > > > issue as we saw in the same post, right now Jup is on 10'th degree, by > > > > the time Jup crosses 15'th degree, committee may office etc to begin > > > > it's work, as said - > > > > > > > > /* > > > > Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 degrees becomes > > > > Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted justified > > > > decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be based > > > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take > > > place > > > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > > > > remote areas. > > > > > > > > */ > > > > > > > > Definitely, committee w'd do brainstorming for taking a right > > > decision. > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History is evident, Andra and Karnataka region is responsive to > > > > Saturn's > > > > > transit, Emergence and fall of dynasties in Andra - Karnataka region > > > > has > > > > > always been subject to Saturn's transit on Aries, Virgo, Scorpio, > > > and > > > > > Sagittarius. > > > > > > > > > > This study is based on following two pints - > > > > > > > > > > · Jup and mars are the soul and body of India. Mars is the > > > > > significator of Indian subcontinent' s geography, it should not > > > receive > > > > > malificance of either Saturn or Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > · Kurma chakra says major part of Andhra region is ruled by > > > > > Uttarphalguni to Chitra nakschatra of Virgo. > > > > > > > > > > The first Hoysala ruler's family record is dated 950 and names > > > > > Arekalla as the chieftain, In 1186-87, Saturn was again in Virgo > > > when > > > > > Vir Ballal set Hoyasals free from the subordination laying the > > > > > foundation of independent Hoyasal dynasty. > > > > > > > > > > In 1309 when Saturn was in Scorpio and Jup was in Capricorn, Malik > > > > > Kafur, with an immense force swept into the Dakhan and captured > > > > > Warangal. The old capital of the Hoysala Ballalas at Dvarasamudra > > > was > > > > > taken in 1310. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's next transit on Virgo in 1333-1334 led to the foundation of > > > > > Kingdom of Vijayanagara in 1336 while it caused declination of > > > > Hoyasals > > > > > ruling. Biggest defeat happened in 1565 by the Decan Sultantes, > > > Saturn > > > > > was in Virgo, however survived untill 1646. > > > > > > > > > > The origins of the Nizam dynasty can be traced to Chin Qalich Khan > > > who > > > > > was commander of the Mughal army during Aurangzeb's reign. Chin > > > > > Qalich Khan led the attack of the Mughal army at Deccan. > > > > > > > > > > During Aurangzeb's last siege of Golconda in 1687 (Sat was in > > > > > Virgo),Chin Qalich Khan was wounded. He died in Atapur village near > > > > > Himayath Sagar. Chin Qalich Khan's son, Nawab Ghaziuddin Khan, > > > > > married the daughter of Sadullah Khan, Prime Minister of Aurangzeb. > > > A > > > > > son was born, and the Emperor named him Mir Qumaruddin. At the age > > > of > > > > > six, Mir Qumaruddin accompanied his father to the Mughal court. > > > > > Aurangzeb awarded him a mansab, and said to his father, " The star of > > > > > destiny shines on the forehead of your son " . > > > > > > > > > > Mir Qumaruddin displayed considerable skill as a warrior and at the > > > > age > > > > > of nineteen, the Emperor bestowed on him the title " Chin Fateh > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > As said earlier, if Saturn or Rahu afflicts Jup and Mars or their > > > > signs, > > > > > India and Govt both has to face stiff challange, Though, Rahu is > > > > > transiting Sagittarious, but Saturn is not directly involved however > > > > it > > > > > casting it's aspect on scorpio, but will not afflicting either Jup > > > or > > > > > their signs, so, no quick thoughtless reconstruction of the states > > > in > > > > > India. > > > > > > > > > > If we look at current scenario though Jup has been in debility, now > > > > > transits Aquarius. > > > > > Jup in Aquarius always tend to put Indian rulers in ordeal, posing > > > > > challanges to show competence, If government shows it, ruling team > > > > > continues otherwise changes come, at least revamp of cabinet is > > > > likely. > > > > > > > > > > For the curent movement for division of Andhra, transit indicates a > > > > > turning point is likely to emerge, as Jup w'd soon move out to > > > Pisces > > > > in > > > > > May 2010, Simultaneously, Mars w'd also come out of it's debility, > > > > This > > > > > pattern of transit shows current turbulance to pacify, It should get > > > > > distilled by April - May 2010, Earlier, I thought it to cool down in > > > a > > > > > month's time but forgot to notice Saturn is going in standstill > > > > > mode, seems this saturn will keep simmering the current protest for > > > > some > > > > > more time, Anyways, Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 > > > degrees > > > > > becomes Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted > > > > > justified decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be > > > > based > > > > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take > > > > place > > > > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > > > > > remote areas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > > > > either > > > > > Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in rather > > > > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > > > > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > > > > strength. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup signifies the integrity of country and it's wellness as well, we > > > > > should rest assured that after MAY 2010, India w'd have a high > > > > > performance govt, either same team and leader will work > > > significantly > > > > > better or somebody new come into picture. Jup and Mars when transits > > > > > Pisces or Aries they try their best to give a high performace govt > > > to > > > > > this country, remain hopeful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in > > > chart, > > > > > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > > > > > have read in ancient history. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- > > > > > Utkal Panigrahi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Mr Manoj, On all forums i have seen ppl dont talk right astrology, at least this person is sharing some good points so let him write and we should try to learn from all. And everybody has seen thatthere have been no terorists attack on India sice 26/11.We should learn his points. I have been memebr of this forum for last one year, but i didnt see even you wrote single article. So, it is kind request to you that you also write some articles instead of unworthy leg pulling so that we could learn. Mr Moderator, Kindly moderate such msgs so that ppl could learn, and forum of yours could become best. So kindly moderate Mouji's ID for good future of your group. Rest is your wish. TX Dinesh , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > You are welcome. This is exactly I am trying to put across to people like Utkal. He gives a prediction that the person will get a job around NCR in Delhi and runs off when asked reasons for giving such a prediction. > > Its a common knowledge that movement of troops around the border is a natural phenomenon and it happens twice a year i.e., around spring and autumn, now you pass it on as a prediction and then run off again when asked for reasons. > > There are many instances. Koorma Chakra, Sanghatta Rashi Chakra, Kota Chakra, Sanghatta Nakshatra Chakra, Sarvato Bhadra Chakra are some methods for working out mundane predictions, is what I know. Ever sankranti chart, poornima, amavasya chart is also prepared for giving out mundane predictions is also what i know besides some other things too. > > And I still hold nothing against anyone. My only concern is that such forums should not be allowed to be used by people who preach a lot but have nothing to show. > > regards, > > Manoj > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Fri, February 5, 2010 6:57:23 PM > Re: Ascendent of India & Related Problems > >  > Dear Manoj_jee and others, > > I have no desire to walk into this massive cross-fire but would like to put in my ant's two cents, if I may ...? > > Nations like India (and others?) perhaps must have several charts and not just one and only that will serve throughout LARGER TIMEFRAMES (Yuga/Yugas) ? > > I have the irrational faith (can't prove it to engineers, accountants, lawyers, scientists etc.) that this belief of mine about Nations and Cultures/Communitie s is perhaps reflected in astrological verity and day-to-day practical astrology via: Birthcharts, vargas, Varsha-charts, Murti-Nirnaya, and many more *progressions* that we all utilize! And not just in the Jyotish framework! > > My sincere apologies to all members here for sticking my nose (or antlers?) where they perhaps do not belong...! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > Varaha Mihir gave us Capricorn and Modern India in its present form has Taurus as ascendant. Capricorn works well and has been found to give results for not only India alone but for the entire region mentioned in that write up. > > > > regards, > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > > > > Fri, February 5, 2010 12:38:32 PM > > Ascendent of India & Related Problems > > > >  > > > > Group, > > > > How, an incorrect approach lands astrologers in trouble can be seen in > > an article published in newsletter of Journal of Astrology, they refer > > to at least 3 ascendents for our country, India - > > > > 1. Capricorn, Proposed by Varahmihira and followed by Prof K N Rao > > 2. Virgo, Proposed by B.V Raman and followed by ICAS > > 3. Taurus, Based on 15'th August 1947's independence chart. > > > > So, we have got 3 ascendents for our country, the author of the article > > Mr Deepak Bisaria is a nice scholar with patriotic approach, somehow, he > > looks inclined towards 4'th ascendent for india which is Saggitarius. > > > > The point to ponder is why all 4 ascendents are able to justify events > > happening in country, strange is BVB on the one hand talks about > > capricorn ascendent and at the same time on the other says India is > > running under Sun dasa based on Taurus ascendent chart of India, so, > > they says something on the basis of Sun dasa and some other things on > > the basis of Capricorn ascendent. > > > > As long as we are into post event researches to somehow find out a > > justification, all the 12 ascendents w'd look suitable for India and for > > any other country. > > > > I have always said that countries chart and approach of ascendence is > > incorrect, sages had observed planets transiting over a rashi/nakshatra > > affects different parts of world differently, It w'd be very helpful to > > astrologers if they come up with more studies in the vedic direction. > > > > Following the Vedic approach, I was able to predict - Fall of leftist in > > 2009's election and continuation of same govt in India, I could also > > very accurately predict age of strikes and bandhs to storm india, this > > year we have seen at least 60-70 major strikes in several states of > > india, You are aware that how accurately andhra pradesh's issue was seen > > as well as removal of troops from kashmir. > > > > In fact, these are not my success but this is success of vedic approach > > of jyotish. > > > > You can read excerpts of the Deepak Bisaria's article, He is a goot > > writer : > > > > http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259 > > <http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259> > > > > Brihat -Samhita of Varahamihira (575 A.D) fixes the ascendant for India > > (Bharat Varsha of that time stretching to present Afghanistan towards > > the West and Burma to the East ) as Capricorn. In the brilliant book on > > mundane astrology by M.S. Mehta and Radhika, the ascendant is Capricorn > > and Scorpio for Delhi. B.V. Raman fixed Virgo as the ascendant. Which is > > the relevant ascendant in the pre-independence era or during Ram Rajya > > needs yet to be ascertained. Mr. K.N. Rao, presently the best in mundane > > astrology, finds convincing results from Capricorn ascendant for India > > and Leo as the ascendant of the U.S. Today, with complex problems in > > front and spirituality on the back burner Taurus as ascendant for > > India's Independence horoscope has been consistently giving > > convincing results. > > > > With the swing and a shift of ascendants for different nations, perhaps > > due to ayanamsha or other reasons, it is possible that the ascendant for > > India at some time becomes Sagittarius as it is adjacent to Capricorn. > > This presumption gets support in view of India's spiritual wealth > > and a rich cultural heritage that still stands undisputed. The > > Jupitarean influence can be felt even now with spirituality still > > persisting in the atmosphere, perhaps, as a result of the collective > > tapasya of so many rishis done on its soil ! > > > > India was known as the land where rivers of honey and milk flowed and > > coined , the golden bird (sone ki chidiya). In the north of India we > > have mountains from where rivers perennially flow. This blessing of > > Jupiter is still to be properly harnessed, when done perhaps it would > > give relief from scarcity of power and water. Middle (madhya Bharat )and > > South have mountains loaded with minerals and metals. And to add to the > > riches, we have coastline of line of 6100 kms that garlands the nation. > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > With correct vedic appoach, we can predict events before they occur, > > As > > > we saw on 25'th Dec 2009's post, things have moved in the said > > > direction, Our discovery is Places and Planets are linked, countries > > > charts are misleading as no country takes birth on a date, India was > > > there before 15'th August 1947. > > > > > > It was said in following message #25486, 25'th Dec 2009 - > > > > > > /*Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > > > either Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in > > rather > > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > > strength. > > > > > > */ > > > > > > Govt has yesterday set up a committee headed by Supreme Court Judge B > > N > > > Srikrishna who will give it's report in next 3 years, thus, as we said > > > any possibility of sub division of Indian map is only in 2013-14, not > > > before that. > > > > > > > > http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- sets-up-srikrish na-p\ > > \ > > > anel-for.html > > > > > <http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- sets-up-srikrish na-\ > > \ > > > panel-for.html> > > > > > > Set up of a committee shows there will be a justified decision on this > > > issue as we saw in the same post, right now Jup is on 10'th degree, by > > > the time Jup crosses 15'th degree, committee may office etc to begin > > > it's work, as said - > > > > > > /* > > > Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 degrees becomes > > > Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted justified > > > decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be based > > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take > > place > > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > > > remote areas. > > > > > > */ > > > > > > Definitely, committee w'd do brainstorming for taking a right > > decision. > > > > > > -------- > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History is evident, Andra and Karnataka region is responsive to > > > Saturn's > > > > transit, Emergence and fall of dynasties in Andra - Karnataka region > > > has > > > > always been subject to Saturn's transit on Aries, Virgo, Scorpio, > > and > > > > Sagittarius. > > > > > > > > This study is based on following two pints - > > > > > > > > · Jup and mars are the soul and body of India. Mars is the > > > > significator of Indian subcontinent' s geography, it should not > > receive > > > > malificance of either Saturn or Rahu. > > > > > > > > · Kurma chakra says major part of Andhra region is ruled by > > > > Uttarphalguni to Chitra nakschatra of Virgo. > > > > > > > > The first Hoysala ruler's family record is dated 950 and names > > > > Arekalla as the chieftain, In 1186-87, Saturn was again in Virgo > > when > > > > Vir Ballal set Hoyasals free from the subordination laying the > > > > foundation of independent Hoyasal dynasty. > > > > > > > > In 1309 when Saturn was in Scorpio and Jup was in Capricorn, Malik > > > > Kafur, with an immense force swept into the Dakhan and captured > > > > Warangal. The old capital of the Hoysala Ballalas at Dvarasamudra > > was > > > > taken in 1310. > > > > > > > > Saturn's next transit on Virgo in 1333-1334 led to the foundation of > > > > Kingdom of Vijayanagara in 1336 while it caused declination of > > > Hoyasals > > > > ruling. Biggest defeat happened in 1565 by the Decan Sultantes, > > Saturn > > > > was in Virgo, however survived untill 1646. > > > > > > > > The origins of the Nizam dynasty can be traced to Chin Qalich Khan > > who > > > > was commander of the Mughal army during Aurangzeb's reign. Chin > > > > Qalich Khan led the attack of the Mughal army at Deccan. > > > > > > > > During Aurangzeb's last siege of Golconda in 1687 (Sat was in > > > > Virgo),Chin Qalich Khan was wounded. He died in Atapur village near > > > > Himayath Sagar. Chin Qalich Khan's son, Nawab Ghaziuddin Khan, > > > > married the daughter of Sadullah Khan, Prime Minister of Aurangzeb. > > A > > > > son was born, and the Emperor named him Mir Qumaruddin. At the age > > of > > > > six, Mir Qumaruddin accompanied his father to the Mughal court. > > > > Aurangzeb awarded him a mansab, and said to his father, " The star of > > > > destiny shines on the forehead of your son " . > > > > > > > > Mir Qumaruddin displayed considerable skill as a warrior and at the > > > age > > > > of nineteen, the Emperor bestowed on him the title " Chin Fateh > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > As said earlier, if Saturn or Rahu afflicts Jup and Mars or their > > > signs, > > > > India and Govt both has to face stiff challange, Though, Rahu is > > > > transiting Sagittarious, but Saturn is not directly involved however > > > it > > > > casting it's aspect on scorpio, but will not afflicting either Jup > > or > > > > their signs, so, no quick thoughtless reconstruction of the states > > in > > > > India. > > > > > > > > If we look at current scenario though Jup has been in debility, now > > > > transits Aquarius. > > > > Jup in Aquarius always tend to put Indian rulers in ordeal, posing > > > > challanges to show competence, If government shows it, ruling team > > > > continues otherwise changes come, at least revamp of cabinet is > > > likely. > > > > > > > > For the curent movement for division of Andhra, transit indicates a > > > > turning point is likely to emerge, as Jup w'd soon move out to > > Pisces > > > in > > > > May 2010, Simultaneously, Mars w'd also come out of it's debility, > > > This > > > > pattern of transit shows current turbulance to pacify, It should get > > > > distilled by April - May 2010, Earlier, I thought it to cool down in > > a > > > > month's time but forgot to notice Saturn is going in standstill > > > > mode, seems this saturn will keep simmering the current protest for > > > some > > > > more time, Anyways, Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 > > degrees > > > > becomes Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted > > > > justified decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be > > > based > > > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take > > > place > > > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > > > > remote areas. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > > > either > > > > Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in rather > > > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > > > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > > > strength. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup signifies the integrity of country and it's wellness as well, we > > > > should rest assured that after MAY 2010, India w'd have a high > > > > performance govt, either same team and leader will work > > significantly > > > > better or somebody new come into picture. Jup and Mars when transits > > > > Pisces or Aries they try their best to give a high performace govt > > to > > > > this country, remain hopeful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in > > chart, > > > > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > > > > have read in ancient history. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- > > > > Utkal Panigrahi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 You call yourself a teacher with no teaching attitude. If you do not like your students here, go and sell your " wares " in your private school and not in public. Anybody who reads newspapers knows it. Why could you with your vast knowledge could not predict un=natural floods in Mexico. Answer or Perish. Manoj ________________________________ utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi Fri, February 5, 2010 9:31:09 PM Re: Ascendent of India & Related Problems  Manoj, you and people like you will alway's learn in hard way, but not every body, either follow and work in the direction shown or remain trapped where you are, your choice. I have not told you the reason why that guy worked in delhi ncr because of your attitude, It's my choice whom I should teach and whom I should not. As said, not 4 lagnas but you people can continue taking 12 lagnas for our country and can happy with post incorrect event justification as happened in last 20 - 25 yrs, with no prediction before an event they became stalwart of jyotish, no issues, I want you people to continue doing same mistakes and be happy, not everybody deserves knowledge. , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: > > Dear Ranjan, > > One always learns the hard way. There is no easy way out. One has to grind through many methods, techniques, accept some and reject some approach needs to be adopted then and also meet one prediction wonders too. The moment sample size is increased these researches start falling apart like a pack of 9 pins. > > regards, > > Manoj > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ ... > > Fri, February 5, 2010 7:31:10 PM > Re: Ascendent of India & Related Problems > >  > Sir! > > Some forty five years ago or a few years before that perhaps when I was almost a teenager, I read about a wonderful technique by someone from Nargoal_Gujrat who had a series of books on astrology that the reader could order, read and arrive at the perfect prediction! I did and really got into it and found some uncanny correlations but when the sample-size increased the techniques failed. I felt foolish for having spent my meagre pocket-money on those books, rather than the projector that I could have ordered instead by mail-order! > > I eventually, did live up to my dream, and managed to order the hand-cranked projector! Trust me, I learned more about astrology and *projection* through those teen-age experiences than I have ever cared to admit! > > My heat-felt prayers and sincere wishes have always been that everyone else does too! > > Ranjan > > , Manoj Kumar mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > You are welcome. This is exactly I am trying to put across to people like Utkal. He gives a prediction that the person will get a job around NCR in Delhi and runs off when asked reasons for giving such a prediction. > > > > Its a common knowledge that movement of troops around the border is a natural phenomenon and it happens twice a year i.e., around spring and autumn, now you pass it on as a prediction and then run off again when asked for reasons. > > > > There are many instances. Koorma Chakra, Sanghatta Rashi Chakra, Kota Chakra, Sanghatta Nakshatra Chakra, Sarvato Bhadra Chakra are some methods for working out mundane predictions, is what I know. Ever sankranti chart, poornima, amavasya chart is also prepared for giving out mundane predictions is also what i know besides some other things too. > > > > And I still hold nothing against anyone. My only concern is that such forums should not be allowed to be used by people who preach a lot but have nothing to show. > > > > regards, > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Fri, February 5, 2010 6:57:23 PM > > Re: Ascendent of India & Related Problems > > > >  > > Dear Manoj_jee and others, > > > > I have no desire to walk into this massive cross-fire but would like to put in my ant's two cents, if I may ...? > > > > Nations like India (and others?) perhaps must have several charts and not just one and only that will serve throughout LARGER TIMEFRAMES (Yuga/Yugas) ? > > > > I have the irrational faith (can't prove it to engineers, accountants, lawyers, scientists etc.) that this belief of mine about Nations and Cultures/Communitie s is perhaps reflected in astrological verity and day-to-day practical astrology via: Birthcharts, vargas, Varsha-charts, Murti-Nirnaya, and many more *progressions* that we all utilize! And not just in the Jyotish framework! > > > > My sincere apologies to all members here for sticking my nose (or antlers?) where they perhaps do not belong...! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > > > Varaha Mihir gave us Capricorn and Modern India in its present form has Taurus as ascendant. Capricorn works well and has been found to give results for not only India alone but for the entire region mentioned in that write up. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > > > > > > Fri, February 5, 2010 12:38:32 PM > > > Ascendent of India & Related Problems > > > > > >  > > > > > > Group, > > > > > > How, an incorrect approach lands astrologers in trouble can be seen in > > > an article published in newsletter of Journal of Astrology, they refer > > > to at least 3 ascendents for our country, India - > > > > > > 1. Capricorn, Proposed by Varahmihira and followed by Prof K N Rao > > > 2. Virgo, Proposed by B.V Raman and followed by ICAS > > > 3. Taurus, Based on 15'th August 1947's independence chart. > > > > > > So, we have got 3 ascendents for our country, the author of the article > > > Mr Deepak Bisaria is a nice scholar with patriotic approach, somehow, he > > > looks inclined towards 4'th ascendent for india which is Saggitarius. > > > > > > The point to ponder is why all 4 ascendents are able to justify events > > > happening in country, strange is BVB on the one hand talks about > > > capricorn ascendent and at the same time on the other says India is > > > running under Sun dasa based on Taurus ascendent chart of India, so, > > > they says something on the basis of Sun dasa and some other things on > > > the basis of Capricorn ascendent. > > > > > > As long as we are into post event researches to somehow find out a > > > justification, all the 12 ascendents w'd look suitable for India and for > > > any other country. > > > > > > I have always said that countries chart and approach of ascendence is > > > incorrect, sages had observed planets transiting over a rashi/nakshatra > > > affects different parts of world differently, It w'd be very helpful to > > > astrologers if they come up with more studies in the vedic direction. > > > > > > Following the Vedic approach, I was able to predict - Fall of leftist in > > > 2009's election and continuation of same govt in India, I could also > > > very accurately predict age of strikes and bandhs to storm india, this > > > year we have seen at least 60-70 major strikes in several states of > > > india, You are aware that how accurately andhra pradesh's issue was seen > > > as well as removal of troops from kashmir. > > > > > > In fact, these are not my success but this is success of vedic approach > > > of jyotish. > > > > > > You can read excerpts of the Deepak Bisaria's article, He is a goot > > > writer : > > > > > > http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259 > > > <http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259> > > > > > > Brihat -Samhita of Varahamihira (575 A.D) fixes the ascendant for India > > > (Bharat Varsha of that time stretching to present Afghanistan towards > > > the West and Burma to the East ) as Capricorn. In the brilliant book on > > > mundane astrology by M.S. Mehta and Radhika, the ascendant is Capricorn > > > and Scorpio for Delhi. B.V. Raman fixed Virgo as the ascendant. Which is > > > the relevant ascendant in the pre-independence era or during Ram Rajya > > > needs yet to be ascertained. Mr. K.N. Rao, presently the best in mundane > > > astrology, finds convincing results from Capricorn ascendant for India > > > and Leo as the ascendant of the U.S. Today, with complex problems in > > > front and spirituality on the back burner Taurus as ascendant for > > > India's Independence horoscope has been consistently giving > > > convincing results. > > > > > > With the swing and a shift of ascendants for different nations, perhaps > > > due to ayanamsha or other reasons, it is possible that the ascendant for > > > India at some time becomes Sagittarius as it is adjacent to Capricorn. > > > This presumption gets support in view of India's spiritual wealth > > > and a rich cultural heritage that still stands undisputed. The > > > Jupitarean influence can be felt even now with spirituality still > > > persisting in the atmosphere, perhaps, as a result of the collective > > > tapasya of so many rishis done on its soil ! > > > > > > India was known as the land where rivers of honey and milk flowed and > > > coined , the golden bird (sone ki chidiya). In the north of India we > > > have mountains from where rivers perennially flow. This blessing of > > > Jupiter is still to be properly harnessed, when done perhaps it would > > > give relief from scarcity of power and water. Middle (madhya Bharat )and > > > South have mountains loaded with minerals and metals. And to add to the > > > riches, we have coastline of line of 6100 kms that garlands the nation. > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With correct vedic appoach, we can predict events before they occur, > > > As > > > > we saw on 25'th Dec 2009's post, things have moved in the said > > > > direction, Our discovery is Places and Planets are linked, countries > > > > charts are misleading as no country takes birth on a date, India was > > > > there before 15'th August 1947. > > > > > > > > It was said in following message #25486, 25'th Dec 2009 - > > > > > > > > /*Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > > > > either Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in > > > rather > > > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > > > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > > > strength. > > > > > > > > */ > > > > > > > > Govt has yesterday set up a committee headed by Supreme Court Judge B > > > N > > > > Srikrishna who will give it's report in next 3 years, thus, as we said > > > > any possibility of sub division of Indian map is only in 2013-14, not > > > > before that. > > > > > > > > > > > http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- sets-up-srikrish na-p\ > > > \ > > > > anel-for.html > > > > > > > <http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- sets-up-srikrish na-\ > > > \ > > > > panel-for.html> > > > > > > > > Set up of a committee shows there will be a justified decision on this > > > > issue as we saw in the same post, right now Jup is on 10'th degree, by > > > > the time Jup crosses 15'th degree, committee may office etc to begin > > > > it's work, as said - > > > > > > > > /* > > > > Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 degrees becomes > > > > Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted justified > > > > decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be based > > > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take > > > place > > > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > > > > remote areas. > > > > > > > > */ > > > > > > > > Definitely, committee w'd do brainstorming for taking a right > > > decision. > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History is evident, Andra and Karnataka region is responsive to > > > > Saturn's > > > > > transit, Emergence and fall of dynasties in Andra - Karnataka region > > > > has > > > > > always been subject to Saturn's transit on Aries, Virgo, Scorpio, > > > and > > > > > Sagittarius. > > > > > > > > > > This study is based on following two pints - > > > > > > > > > > · Jup and mars are the soul and body of India. Mars is the > > > > > significator of Indian subcontinent' s geography, it should not > > > receive > > > > > malificance of either Saturn or Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > · Kurma chakra says major part of Andhra region is ruled by > > > > > Uttarphalguni to Chitra nakschatra of Virgo. > > > > > > > > > > The first Hoysala ruler's family record is dated 950 and names > > > > > Arekalla as the chieftain, In 1186-87, Saturn was again in Virgo > > > when > > > > > Vir Ballal set Hoyasals free from the subordination laying the > > > > > foundation of independent Hoyasal dynasty. > > > > > > > > > > In 1309 when Saturn was in Scorpio and Jup was in Capricorn, Malik > > > > > Kafur, with an immense force swept into the Dakhan and captured > > > > > Warangal. The old capital of the Hoysala Ballalas at Dvarasamudra > > > was > > > > > taken in 1310. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's next transit on Virgo in 1333-1334 led to the foundation of > > > > > Kingdom of Vijayanagara in 1336 while it caused declination of > > > > Hoyasals > > > > > ruling. Biggest defeat happened in 1565 by the Decan Sultantes, > > > Saturn > > > > > was in Virgo, however survived untill 1646. > > > > > > > > > > The origins of the Nizam dynasty can be traced to Chin Qalich Khan > > > who > > > > > was commander of the Mughal army during Aurangzeb's reign. Chin > > > > > Qalich Khan led the attack of the Mughal army at Deccan. > > > > > > > > > > During Aurangzeb's last siege of Golconda in 1687 (Sat was in > > > > > Virgo),Chin Qalich Khan was wounded. He died in Atapur village near > > > > > Himayath Sagar. Chin Qalich Khan's son, Nawab Ghaziuddin Khan, > > > > > married the daughter of Sadullah Khan, Prime Minister of Aurangzeb. > > > A > > > > > son was born, and the Emperor named him Mir Qumaruddin. At the age > > > of > > > > > six, Mir Qumaruddin accompanied his father to the Mughal court. > > > > > Aurangzeb awarded him a mansab, and said to his father, " The star of > > > > > destiny shines on the forehead of your son " . > > > > > > > > > > Mir Qumaruddin displayed considerable skill as a warrior and at the > > > > age > > > > > of nineteen, the Emperor bestowed on him the title " Chin Fateh > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > As said earlier, if Saturn or Rahu afflicts Jup and Mars or their > > > > signs, > > > > > India and Govt both has to face stiff challange, Though, Rahu is > > > > > transiting Sagittarious, but Saturn is not directly involved however > > > > it > > > > > casting it's aspect on scorpio, but will not afflicting either Jup > > > or > > > > > their signs, so, no quick thoughtless reconstruction of the states > > > in > > > > > India. > > > > > > > > > > If we look at current scenario though Jup has been in debility, now > > > > > transits Aquarius. > > > > > Jup in Aquarius always tend to put Indian rulers in ordeal, posing > > > > > challanges to show competence, If government shows it, ruling team > > > > > continues otherwise changes come, at least revamp of cabinet is > > > > likely. > > > > > > > > > > For the curent movement for division of Andhra, transit indicates a > > > > > turning point is likely to emerge, as Jup w'd soon move out to > > > Pisces > > > > in > > > > > May 2010, Simultaneously, Mars w'd also come out of it's debility, > > > > This > > > > > pattern of transit shows current turbulance to pacify, It should get > > > > > distilled by April - May 2010, Earlier, I thought it to cool down in > > > a > > > > > month's time but forgot to notice Saturn is going in standstill > > > > > mode, seems this saturn will keep simmering the current protest for > > > > some > > > > > more time, Anyways, Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 > > > degrees > > > > > becomes Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted > > > > > justified decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be > > > > based > > > > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take > > > > place > > > > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > > > > > remote areas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > > > > either > > > > > Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in rather > > > > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > > > > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > > > > strength. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup signifies the integrity of country and it's wellness as well, we > > > > > should rest assured that after MAY 2010, India w'd have a high > > > > > performance govt, either same team and leader will work > > > significantly > > > > > better or somebody new come into picture. Jup and Mars when transits > > > > > Pisces or Aries they try their best to give a high performace govt > > > to > > > > > this country, remain hopeful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in > > > chart, > > > > > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > > > > > have read in ancient history. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- > > > > > Utkal Panigrahi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Mr. Dinesh Dheengra, Every one has a right to learn. So do you and I have. But shall we only remain mute spectators to tall claims. I believe he has a group, you can kindly join his group, because he has been thrown out of 5 groups already and one is in pipeline. regards, Manoj ________________________________ dineshdheengra <dineshdheengra Sat, February 6, 2010 2:27:26 PM Re: Ascendent of India & Related Problems  Mr Manoj, On all forums i have seen ppl dont talk right astrology, at least this person is sharing some good points so let him write and we should try to learn from all. And everybody has seen thatthere have been no terorists attack on India sice 26/11.We should learn his points. I have been memebr of this forum for last one year, but i didnt see even you wrote single article. So, it is kind request to you that you also write some articles instead of unworthy leg pulling so that we could learn. Mr Moderator, Kindly moderate such msgs so that ppl could learn, and forum of yours could become best. So kindly moderate Mouji's ID for good future of your group. Rest is your wish. TX Dinesh , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: > > You are welcome. This is exactly I am trying to put across to people like Utkal. He gives a prediction that the person will get a job around NCR in Delhi and runs off when asked reasons for giving such a prediction. > > Its a common knowledge that movement of troops around the border is a natural phenomenon and it happens twice a year i.e., around spring and autumn, now you pass it on as a prediction and then run off again when asked for reasons. > > There are many instances. Koorma Chakra, Sanghatta Rashi Chakra, Kota Chakra, Sanghatta Nakshatra Chakra, Sarvato Bhadra Chakra are some methods for working out mundane predictions, is what I know. Ever sankranti chart, poornima, amavasya chart is also prepared for giving out mundane predictions is also what i know besides some other things too. > > And I still hold nothing against anyone. My only concern is that such forums should not be allowed to be used by people who preach a lot but have nothing to show. > > regards, > > Manoj > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Fri, February 5, 2010 6:57:23 PM > Re: Ascendent of India & Related Problems > >  > Dear Manoj_jee and others, > > I have no desire to walk into this massive cross-fire but would like to put in my ant's two cents, if I may ...? > > Nations like India (and others?) perhaps must have several charts and not just one and only that will serve throughout LARGER TIMEFRAMES (Yuga/Yugas) ? > > I have the irrational faith (can't prove it to engineers, accountants, lawyers, scientists etc.) that this belief of mine about Nations and Cultures/Communitie s is perhaps reflected in astrological verity and day-to-day practical astrology via: Birthcharts, vargas, Varsha-charts, Murti-Nirnaya, and many more *progressions* that we all utilize! And not just in the Jyotish framework! > > My sincere apologies to all members here for sticking my nose (or antlers?) where they perhaps do not belong...! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > Varaha Mihir gave us Capricorn and Modern India in its present form has Taurus as ascendant. Capricorn works well and has been found to give results for not only India alone but for the entire region mentioned in that write up. > > > > regards, > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > > > > Fri, February 5, 2010 12:38:32 PM > > Ascendent of India & Related Problems > > > >  > > > > Group, > > > > How, an incorrect approach lands astrologers in trouble can be seen in > > an article published in newsletter of Journal of Astrology, they refer > > to at least 3 ascendents for our country, India - > > > > 1. Capricorn, Proposed by Varahmihira and followed by Prof K N Rao > > 2. Virgo, Proposed by B.V Raman and followed by ICAS > > 3. Taurus, Based on 15'th August 1947's independence chart. > > > > So, we have got 3 ascendents for our country, the author of the article > > Mr Deepak Bisaria is a nice scholar with patriotic approach, somehow, he > > looks inclined towards 4'th ascendent for india which is Saggitarius. > > > > The point to ponder is why all 4 ascendents are able to justify events > > happening in country, strange is BVB on the one hand talks about > > capricorn ascendent and at the same time on the other says India is > > running under Sun dasa based on Taurus ascendent chart of India, so, > > they says something on the basis of Sun dasa and some other things on > > the basis of Capricorn ascendent. > > > > As long as we are into post event researches to somehow find out a > > justification, all the 12 ascendents w'd look suitable for India and for > > any other country. > > > > I have always said that countries chart and approach of ascendence is > > incorrect, sages had observed planets transiting over a rashi/nakshatra > > affects different parts of world differently, It w'd be very helpful to > > astrologers if they come up with more studies in the vedic direction. > > > > Following the Vedic approach, I was able to predict - Fall of leftist in > > 2009's election and continuation of same govt in India, I could also > > very accurately predict age of strikes and bandhs to storm india, this > > year we have seen at least 60-70 major strikes in several states of > > india, You are aware that how accurately andhra pradesh's issue was seen > > as well as removal of troops from kashmir. > > > > In fact, these are not my success but this is success of vedic approach > > of jyotish. > > > > You can read excerpts of the Deepak Bisaria's article, He is a goot > > writer : > > > > http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259 > > <http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259> > > > > Brihat -Samhita of Varahamihira (575 A.D) fixes the ascendant for India > > (Bharat Varsha of that time stretching to present Afghanistan towards > > the West and Burma to the East ) as Capricorn. In the brilliant book on > > mundane astrology by M.S. Mehta and Radhika, the ascendant is Capricorn > > and Scorpio for Delhi. B.V. Raman fixed Virgo as the ascendant. Which is > > the relevant ascendant in the pre-independence era or during Ram Rajya > > needs yet to be ascertained. Mr. K.N. Rao, presently the best in mundane > > astrology, finds convincing results from Capricorn ascendant for India > > and Leo as the ascendant of the U.S. Today, with complex problems in > > front and spirituality on the back burner Taurus as ascendant for > > India's Independence horoscope has been consistently giving > > convincing results. > > > > With the swing and a shift of ascendants for different nations, perhaps > > due to ayanamsha or other reasons, it is possible that the ascendant for > > India at some time becomes Sagittarius as it is adjacent to Capricorn. > > This presumption gets support in view of India's spiritual wealth > > and a rich cultural heritage that still stands undisputed. The > > Jupitarean influence can be felt even now with spirituality still > > persisting in the atmosphere, perhaps, as a result of the collective > > tapasya of so many rishis done on its soil ! > > > > India was known as the land where rivers of honey and milk flowed and > > coined , the golden bird (sone ki chidiya). In the north of India we > > have mountains from where rivers perennially flow. This blessing of > > Jupiter is still to be properly harnessed, when done perhaps it would > > give relief from scarcity of power and water. Middle (madhya Bharat )and > > South have mountains loaded with minerals and metals. And to add to the > > riches, we have coastline of line of 6100 kms that garlands the nation. > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > With correct vedic appoach, we can predict events before they occur, > > As > > > we saw on 25'th Dec 2009's post, things have moved in the said > > > direction, Our discovery is Places and Planets are linked, countries > > > charts are misleading as no country takes birth on a date, India was > > > there before 15'th August 1947. > > > > > > It was said in following message #25486, 25'th Dec 2009 - > > > > > > /*Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > > > either Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in > > rather > > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > > strength. > > > > > > */ > > > > > > Govt has yesterday set up a committee headed by Supreme Court Judge B > > N > > > Srikrishna who will give it's report in next 3 years, thus, as we said > > > any possibility of sub division of Indian map is only in 2013-14, not > > > before that. > > > > > > > > http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- sets-up-srikrish na-p\ > > \ > > > anel-for.html > > > > > <http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- sets-up-srikrish na-\ > > \ > > > panel-for.html> > > > > > > Set up of a committee shows there will be a justified decision on this > > > issue as we saw in the same post, right now Jup is on 10'th degree, by > > > the time Jup crosses 15'th degree, committee may office etc to begin > > > it's work, as said - > > > > > > /* > > > Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 degrees becomes > > > Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted justified > > > decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be based > > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take > > place > > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > > > remote areas. > > > > > > */ > > > > > > Definitely, committee w'd do brainstorming for taking a right > > decision. > > > > > > -------- > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History is evident, Andra and Karnataka region is responsive to > > > Saturn's > > > > transit, Emergence and fall of dynasties in Andra - Karnataka region > > > has > > > > always been subject to Saturn's transit on Aries, Virgo, Scorpio, > > and > > > > Sagittarius. > > > > > > > > This study is based on following two pints - > > > > > > > > · Jup and mars are the soul and body of India. Mars is the > > > > significator of Indian subcontinent' s geography, it should not > > receive > > > > malificance of either Saturn or Rahu. > > > > > > > > · Kurma chakra says major part of Andhra region is ruled by > > > > Uttarphalguni to Chitra nakschatra of Virgo. > > > > > > > > The first Hoysala ruler's family record is dated 950 and names > > > > Arekalla as the chieftain, In 1186-87, Saturn was again in Virgo > > when > > > > Vir Ballal set Hoyasals free from the subordination laying the > > > > foundation of independent Hoyasal dynasty. > > > > > > > > In 1309 when Saturn was in Scorpio and Jup was in Capricorn, Malik > > > > Kafur, with an immense force swept into the Dakhan and captured > > > > Warangal. The old capital of the Hoysala Ballalas at Dvarasamudra > > was > > > > taken in 1310. > > > > > > > > Saturn's next transit on Virgo in 1333-1334 led to the foundation of > > > > Kingdom of Vijayanagara in 1336 while it caused declination of > > > Hoyasals > > > > ruling. Biggest defeat happened in 1565 by the Decan Sultantes, > > Saturn > > > > was in Virgo, however survived untill 1646. > > > > > > > > The origins of the Nizam dynasty can be traced to Chin Qalich Khan > > who > > > > was commander of the Mughal army during Aurangzeb's reign. Chin > > > > Qalich Khan led the attack of the Mughal army at Deccan. > > > > > > > > During Aurangzeb's last siege of Golconda in 1687 (Sat was in > > > > Virgo),Chin Qalich Khan was wounded. He died in Atapur village near > > > > Himayath Sagar. Chin Qalich Khan's son, Nawab Ghaziuddin Khan, > > > > married the daughter of Sadullah Khan, Prime Minister of Aurangzeb. > > A > > > > son was born, and the Emperor named him Mir Qumaruddin. At the age > > of > > > > six, Mir Qumaruddin accompanied his father to the Mughal court. > > > > Aurangzeb awarded him a mansab, and said to his father, " The star of > > > > destiny shines on the forehead of your son " . > > > > > > > > Mir Qumaruddin displayed considerable skill as a warrior and at the > > > age > > > > of nineteen, the Emperor bestowed on him the title " Chin Fateh > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > As said earlier, if Saturn or Rahu afflicts Jup and Mars or their > > > signs, > > > > India and Govt both has to face stiff challange, Though, Rahu is > > > > transiting Sagittarious, but Saturn is not directly involved however > > > it > > > > casting it's aspect on scorpio, but will not afflicting either Jup > > or > > > > their signs, so, no quick thoughtless reconstruction of the states > > in > > > > India. > > > > > > > > If we look at current scenario though Jup has been in debility, now > > > > transits Aquarius. > > > > Jup in Aquarius always tend to put Indian rulers in ordeal, posing > > > > challanges to show competence, If government shows it, ruling team > > > > continues otherwise changes come, at least revamp of cabinet is > > > likely. > > > > > > > > For the curent movement for division of Andhra, transit indicates a > > > > turning point is likely to emerge, as Jup w'd soon move out to > > Pisces > > > in > > > > May 2010, Simultaneously, Mars w'd also come out of it's debility, > > > This > > > > pattern of transit shows current turbulance to pacify, It should get > > > > distilled by April - May 2010, Earlier, I thought it to cool down in > > a > > > > month's time but forgot to notice Saturn is going in standstill > > > > mode, seems this saturn will keep simmering the current protest for > > > some > > > > more time, Anyways, Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 > > degrees > > > > becomes Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted > > > > justified decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be > > > based > > > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will take > > > place > > > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance of > > > > remote areas. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu transits > > > either > > > > Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in rather > > > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the one > > > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > > > strength. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup signifies the integrity of country and it's wellness as well, we > > > > should rest assured that after MAY 2010, India w'd have a high > > > > performance govt, either same team and leader will work > > significantly > > > > better or somebody new come into picture. Jup and Mars when transits > > > > Pisces or Aries they try their best to give a high performace govt > > to > > > > this country, remain hopeful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars in > > chart, > > > > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory that we > > > > have read in ancient history. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- > > > > Utkal Panigrahi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Everything is predictable with vedic approach, I have given the forgotten pointers openly to everybody, whosoever, w'd work further on the direction shown in the group, w'd be able to predict events before they occur. Whosover you are, first give evidences that 2 yrs back 30,000 army troops were removed from Kashmir either in autumn or in winter, go to offices of news papers and collect news and then come to group. As you don't deserve, you wont be given any answer, you can approach your teachers. ~Utkal. , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > You call yourself a teacher with no teaching attitude. If you do not like your students here, go and sell your " wares " in your private school and not in public. Anybody who reads newspapers knows it. Why could you with your vast knowledge could not predict un=natural floods in Mexico. Answer or Perish. > > Manoj > > > > > ________________________________ > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi > > Fri, February 5, 2010 9:31:09 PM > Re: Ascendent of India & Related Problems > >  > > Manoj, you and people like you will alway's learn in hard way, but not > every body, either follow and work in the direction shown or remain > trapped where you are, your choice. > > I have not told you the reason why that guy worked in delhi ncr because > of your attitude, It's my choice whom I should teach and whom I should > not. > > As said, not 4 lagnas but you people can continue taking 12 lagnas for > our country and can happy with post incorrect event justification as > happened in last 20 - 25 yrs, with no prediction before an event they > became stalwart of jyotish, no issues, I want you people to continue > doing same mistakes and be happy, not everybody deserves knowledge. > > , Manoj Kumar mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Ranjan, > > > > One always learns the hard way. There is no easy way out. One has to > grind through many methods, techniques, accept some and reject some > approach needs to be adopted then and also meet one prediction wonders > too. The moment sample size is increased these researches start falling > apart like a pack of 9 pins. > > > > regards, > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ ... > > > > Fri, February 5, 2010 7:31:10 PM > > Re: Ascendent of India & Related Problems > > > > Â > > Sir! > > > > Some forty five years ago or a few years before that perhaps when I > was almost a teenager, I read about a wonderful technique by someone > from Nargoal_Gujrat who had a series of books on astrology that the > reader could order, read and arrive at the perfect prediction! I did and > really got into it and found some uncanny correlations but when the > sample-size increased the techniques failed. I felt foolish for having > spent my meagre pocket-money on those books, rather than the projector > that I could have ordered instead by mail-order! > > > > I eventually, did live up to my dream, and managed to order the > hand-cranked projector! Trust me, I learned more about astrology and > *projection* through those teen-age experiences than I have ever cared > to admit! > > > > My heat-felt prayers and sincere wishes have always been that everyone > else does too! > > > > Ranjan > > > > , Manoj Kumar mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > > > You are welcome. This is exactly I am trying to put across to people > like Utkal. He gives a prediction that the person will get a job around > NCR in Delhi and runs off when asked reasons for giving such a > prediction. > > > > > > Its a common knowledge that movement of troops around the border is > a natural phenomenon and it happens twice a year i.e., around spring and > autumn, now you pass it on as a prediction and then run off again when > asked for reasons. > > > > > > There are many instances. Koorma Chakra, Sanghatta Rashi Chakra, > Kota Chakra, Sanghatta Nakshatra Chakra, Sarvato Bhadra Chakra are some > methods for working out mundane predictions, is what I know. Ever > sankranti chart, poornima, amavasya chart is also prepared for giving > out mundane predictions is also what i know besides some other things > too. > > > > > > And I still hold nothing against anyone. My only concern is that > such forums should not be allowed to be used by people who preach a lot > but have nothing to show. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Fri, February 5, 2010 6:57:23 PM > > > Re: Ascendent of India & Related Problems > > > > > > ÂÂ > > > Dear Manoj_jee and others, > > > > > > I have no desire to walk into this massive cross-fire but would like > to put in my ant's two cents, if I may ...? > > > > > > Nations like India (and others?) perhaps must have several charts > and not just one and only that will serve throughout LARGER TIMEFRAMES > (Yuga/Yugas) ? > > > > > > I have the irrational faith (can't prove it to engineers, > accountants, lawyers, scientists etc.) that this belief of mine about > Nations and Cultures/Communitie s is perhaps reflected in astrological > verity and day-to-day practical astrology via: Birthcharts, vargas, > Varsha-charts, Murti-Nirnaya, and many more *progressions* that we all > utilize! And not just in the Jyotish framework! > > > > > > My sincere apologies to all members here for sticking my nose (or > antlers?) where they perhaps do not belong...! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Varaha Mihir gave us Capricorn and Modern India in its present > form has Taurus as ascendant. Capricorn works well and has been found to > give results for not only India alone but for the entire region > mentioned in that write up. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > > > > > > > > Fri, February 5, 2010 12:38:32 PM > > > > Ascendent of India & Related Problems > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ > > > > > > > > Group, > > > > > > > > How, an incorrect approach lands astrologers in trouble can be > seen in > > > > an article published in newsletter of Journal of Astrology, they > refer > > > > to at least 3 ascendents for our country, India - > > > > > > > > 1. Capricorn, Proposed by Varahmihira and followed by Prof K N Rao > > > > 2. Virgo, Proposed by B.V Raman and followed by ICAS > > > > 3. Taurus, Based on 15'th August 1947's independence chart. > > > > > > > > So, we have got 3 ascendents for our country, the author of the > article > > > > Mr Deepak Bisaria is a nice scholar with patriotic approach, > somehow, he > > > > looks inclined towards 4'th ascendent for india which is > Saggitarius. > > > > > > > > The point to ponder is why all 4 ascendents are able to justify > events > > > > happening in country, strange is BVB on the one hand talks about > > > > capricorn ascendent and at the same time on the other says India > is > > > > running under Sun dasa based on Taurus ascendent chart of India, > so, > > > > they says something on the basis of Sun dasa and some other things > on > > > > the basis of Capricorn ascendent. > > > > > > > > As long as we are into post event researches to somehow find out a > > > > justification, all the 12 ascendents w'd look suitable for India > and for > > > > any other country. > > > > > > > > I have always said that countries chart and approach of ascendence > is > > > > incorrect, sages had observed planets transiting over a > rashi/nakshatra > > > > affects different parts of world differently, It w'd be very > helpful to > > > > astrologers if they come up with more studies in the vedic > direction. > > > > > > > > Following the Vedic approach, I was able to predict - Fall of > leftist in > > > > 2009's election and continuation of same govt in India, I could > also > > > > very accurately predict age of strikes and bandhs to storm india, > this > > > > year we have seen at least 60-70 major strikes in several states > of > > > > india, You are aware that how accurately andhra pradesh's issue > was seen > > > > as well as removal of troops from kashmir. > > > > > > > > In fact, these are not my success but this is success of vedic > approach > > > > of jyotish. > > > > > > > > You can read excerpts of the Deepak Bisaria's article, He is a > goot > > > > writer : > > > > > > > > http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259 > > > > <http://www.journalo fastrology. com/article. php?article_ id=259> > > > > > > > > Brihat -Samhita of Varahamihira (575 A.D) fixes the ascendant for > India > > > > (Bharat Varsha of that time stretching to present Afghanistan > towards > > > > the West and Burma to the East ) as Capricorn. In the brilliant > book on > > > > mundane astrology by M.S. Mehta and Radhika, the ascendant is > Capricorn > > > > and Scorpio for Delhi. B.V. Raman fixed Virgo as the ascendant. > Which is > > > > the relevant ascendant in the pre-independence era or during Ram > Rajya > > > > needs yet to be ascertained. Mr. K.N. Rao, presently the best in > mundane > > > > astrology, finds convincing results from Capricorn ascendant for > India > > > > and Leo as the ascendant of the U.S. Today, with complex problems > in > > > > front and spirituality on the back burner Taurus as ascendant for > > > > India's Independence horoscope has been consistently giving > > > > convincing results. > > > > > > > > With the swing and a shift of ascendants for different nations, > perhaps > > > > due to ayanamsha or other reasons, it is possible that the > ascendant for > > > > India at some time becomes Sagittarius as it is adjacent to > Capricorn. > > > > This presumption gets support in view of India's spiritual wealth > > > > and a rich cultural heritage that still stands undisputed. The > > > > Jupitarean influence can be felt even now with spirituality still > > > > persisting in the atmosphere, perhaps, as a result of the > collective > > > > tapasya of so many rishis done on its soil ! > > > > > > > > India was known as the land where rivers of honey and milk flowed > and > > > > coined , the golden bird (sone ki chidiya). In the north of India > we > > > > have mountains from where rivers perennially flow. This blessing > of > > > > Jupiter is still to be properly harnessed, when done perhaps it > would > > > > give relief from scarcity of power and water. Middle (madhya > Bharat )and > > > > South have mountains loaded with minerals and metals. And to add > to the > > > > riches, we have coastline of line of 6100 kms that garlands the > nation. > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With correct vedic appoach, we can predict events before they > occur, > > > > As > > > > > we saw on 25'th Dec 2009's post, things have moved in the said > > > > > direction, Our discovery is Places and Planets are linked, > countries > > > > > charts are misleading as no country takes birth on a date, India > was > > > > > there before 15'th August 1947. > > > > > > > > > > It was said in following message #25486, 25'th Dec 2009 - > > > > > > > > > > /*Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu > transits > > > > > either Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's > in > > > > rather > > > > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like the > one > > > > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to Jup's > > > > > strength. > > > > > > > > > > */ > > > > > > > > > > Govt has yesterday set up a committee headed by Supreme Court > Judge B > > > > N > > > > > Srikrishna who will give it's report in next 3 years, thus, as > we said > > > > > any possibility of sub division of Indian map is only in > 2013-14, not > > > > > before that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- > sets-up-srikrish na-p\ > > > > \ > > > > > anel-for.html > > > > > > > > > <http://in.news. / 48/20100204/ 814/tnl-centre- > sets-up-srikrish na-\ > > > > \ > > > > > panel-for.html> > > > > > > > > > > Set up of a committee shows there will be a justified decision > on this > > > > > issue as we saw in the same post, right now Jup is on 10'th > degree, by > > > > > the time Jup crosses 15'th degree, committee may office etc to > begin > > > > > it's work, as said - > > > > > > > > > > /* > > > > > Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 degrees becomes > > > > > Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a foresighted > justified > > > > > decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not be based > > > > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will > take > > > > place > > > > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality governance > of > > > > > remote areas. > > > > > > > > > > */ > > > > > > > > > > Definitely, committee w'd do brainstorming for taking a right > > > > decision. > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History is evident, Andra and Karnataka region is responsive > to > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > transit, Emergence and fall of dynasties in Andra - Karnataka > region > > > > > has > > > > > > always been subject to Saturn's transit on Aries, Virgo, > Scorpio, > > > > and > > > > > > Sagittarius. > > > > > > > > > > > > This study is based on following two pints - > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚· Jup and mars are the soul and body of India. > Mars is the > > > > > > significator of Indian subcontinent' s geography, it should > not > > > > receive > > > > > > malificance of either Saturn or Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚· Kurma chakra says major part of Andhra region > is ruled by > > > > > > Uttarphalguni to Chitra nakschatra of Virgo. > > > > > > > > > > > > The first Hoysala ruler's family record is dated 950 and names > > > > > > Arekalla as the chieftain, In 1186-87, Saturn was again in > Virgo > > > > when > > > > > > Vir Ballal set Hoyasals free from the subordination laying the > > > > > > foundation of independent Hoyasal dynasty. > > > > > > > > > > > > In 1309 when Saturn was in Scorpio and Jup was in Capricorn, > Malik > > > > > > Kafur, with an immense force swept into the Dakhan and > captured > > > > > > Warangal. The old capital of the Hoysala Ballalas at > Dvarasamudra > > > > was > > > > > > taken in 1310. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's next transit on Virgo in 1333-1334 led to the > foundation of > > > > > > Kingdom of Vijayanagara in 1336 while it caused declination of > > > > > Hoyasals > > > > > > ruling. Biggest defeat happened in 1565 by the Decan > Sultantes, > > > > Saturn > > > > > > was in Virgo, however survived untill 1646. > > > > > > > > > > > > The origins of the Nizam dynasty can be traced to Chin Qalich > Khan > > > > who > > > > > > was commander of the Mughal army during Aurangzeb's reign. > Chin > > > > > > Qalich Khan led the attack of the Mughal army at Deccan. > > > > > > > > > > > > During Aurangzeb's last siege of Golconda in 1687 (Sat was in > > > > > > Virgo),Chin Qalich Khan was wounded. He died in Atapur village > near > > > > > > Himayath Sagar. Chin Qalich Khan's son, Nawab Ghaziuddin Khan, > > > > > > married the daughter of Sadullah Khan, Prime Minister of > Aurangzeb. > > > > A > > > > > > son was born, and the Emperor named him Mir Qumaruddin. At the > age > > > > of > > > > > > six, Mir Qumaruddin accompanied his father to the Mughal > court. > > > > > > Aurangzeb awarded him a mansab, and said to his father, " The > star of > > > > > > destiny shines on the forehead of your son " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Mir Qumaruddin displayed considerable skill as a warrior and > at the > > > > > age > > > > > > of nineteen, the Emperor bestowed on him the title " Chin Fateh > > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > As said earlier, if Saturn or Rahu afflicts Jup and Mars or > their > > > > > signs, > > > > > > India and Govt both has to face stiff challange, Though, Rahu > is > > > > > > transiting Sagittarious, but Saturn is not directly involved > however > > > > > it > > > > > > casting it's aspect on scorpio, but will not afflicting either > Jup > > > > or > > > > > > their signs, so, no quick thoughtless reconstruction of the > states > > > > in > > > > > > India. > > > > > > > > > > > > If we look at current scenario though Jup has been in > debility, now > > > > > > transits Aquarius. > > > > > > Jup in Aquarius always tend to put Indian rulers in ordeal, > posing > > > > > > challanges to show competence, If government shows it, ruling > team > > > > > > continues otherwise changes come, at least revamp of cabinet > is > > > > > likely. > > > > > > > > > > > > For the curent movement for division of Andhra, transit > indicates a > > > > > > turning point is likely to emerge, as Jup w'd soon move out to > > > > Pisces > > > > > in > > > > > > May 2010, Simultaneously, Mars w'd also come out of it's > debility, > > > > > This > > > > > > pattern of transit shows current turbulance to pacify, It > should get > > > > > > distilled by April - May 2010, Earlier, I thought it to cool > down in > > > > a > > > > > > month's time but forgot to notice Saturn is going in > standstill > > > > > > mode, seems this saturn will keep simmering the current > protest for > > > > > some > > > > > > more time, Anyways, Once Jup crosses the Aquarius more then 15 > > > > degrees > > > > > > becomes Uchhabhlilashi, it will ensure that there is a > foresighted > > > > > > justified decision on this burning issue, the decision w'd not > be > > > > > based > > > > > > on regionalism but w'd be based on equal development and will > take > > > > > place > > > > > > after a serious brainstorming for the better quality > governance of > > > > > > remote areas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish finds that in the time ahead when Saturn or Rahu > transits > > > > > either > > > > > > Scorpio (2013-14) or Aries (2028-2029) afflicting Mar's in > rather > > > > > > permanent manner then only forced change in India's map like > the one > > > > > > seen today can happen, Such a change is always subject to > Jup's > > > > > > strength. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup signifies the integrity of country and it's wellness as > well, we > > > > > > should rest assured that after MAY 2010, India w'd have a high > > > > > > performance govt, either same team and leader will work > > > > significantly > > > > > > better or somebody new come into picture. Jup and Mars when > transits > > > > > > Pisces or Aries they try their best to give a high performace > govt > > > > to > > > > > > this country, remain hopeful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The day we get a PM with strong and well placed Jup and Mars > in > > > > chart, > > > > > > under his tenure India w'd route towards it's glory, a glory > that we > > > > > > have read in ancient history. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ -------- > > > > > > Utkal Panigrahi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 A real long mail. I must first congratulate you for having the stamina to write such long mails. May it is the God's divine grace that shows up this way. " True Vedic approach is rock solid and infallible, Varahmihira is the one who corrupted vedic principles of predictive jyotish, It was he who said India's lagna is Makar and same is followed by Prof K.N Rao and others, however, no one tried to know Varahmihira had no base saying like this, he had not mentioned anything in his support, and Prof K.N Rao and other scholars simply believed Varahmihira' s work which is wrong, irony is they are using both Vrisabh lagna as well as Makar Lagna in their post event researches. " Now we have someone who can question the authority of Varahamihir. Who says Vedic approach is not rock solid. You are trying to go too far dear and watch out slippages on the way. I when saw, challanges are put before jyotish,conduted an earnest study for the benefit of jyotishis and with a purpose to bring them back to right track, have given 1000 yrs data for both - Andhra Troubles and removal of troops from kashmir, and predicted immediate future events, after the prediction, events came true, It's infallible. What dual standards. You do research for the benefits of Jyotishis and refuse to share it with them. Telangana issue is raging fire since he creation of Andhra State after it being carved out of other southern states. Anyone who follows Indian politics knows of the issue since last to last elections when it came out in the fore. Bask in your glories, no one minds it, and if you are doing it for the good of jyotishis, it is still more laudable, but then what stops you from sharing the " so called researches " of yours. How countries chart came into existence is just becoz of the fact that in the lack of tools and awareness some jyotishis in the decade of 70-80 started applying approch of individual's chart over countries also and as those are post event analysis, they themselves and their students got satisfied, a false satisfaction. Now dont start saying that God was kind enough to tell you about creation of the mother earth. Certainly, God is more kind to certain people than others. Just ask anybody who could dare write that there will be no terror attack like 26/11 next day after PM's warning, who could dare predict fall of communists and who could dare tell that there is no immediate division of the Andhra Pradesh. Even a " bachha " (child) knew it because there are political compulsions and this cannot be done because it would have raked up demands for similar creations in some other Indian States. Jaswant Singh, Hon'ble M.P. from Darjeeling had already led one such delegation. In fact, their tear is flowing is because they could not predict anything like this, because, their approach is wrong, their way of understanding mundane astrology is wrong despite they have dumped books on mundane matters. Before everybody I said that there will be dispute in europian union in mid 2011, you can check if that comes correct or not, what's europe's lagna, let them spend their life time in fixing it. You do add to the entertainment factor. There are no tears. It is such astrologers who do more damage to astrology than helping its cause. European Union has been undergoing tensions ever since its inception. Everyone knows it. First it was because of the common currency issue and then Shenegen Visa and now for the past two years, talks are already on wherein they are trying to devise means to be one but yet be able to function as a separate unit. Am reproducing below an article published by Reuters in this regard for your and your follower's knowledge to know the truth. And mind it, such disputes are already going on since the Lisbon treaty last year. Manoj Disunity, economic woes dog EU image drive Timothy Heritage - Analysis BRUSSELS Fri Feb 5, 2010 9:17am ESTBRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Union's efforts to improve its global image are looking increasingly unconvincing as it struggles to contain a debt crisis in Greece and put down talk that its 16-nation euro currency bloc could break up. When the last of the EU's 27 member states finally accepted the Lisbon reform treaty last year after nearly a decade of disputes and hesitation, EU leaders hailed the start of a bright new era for the world's biggest trading bloc. But two months after the treaty came into force, the EU is dogged by rivalry among member states, differences over economic policy, confusion over who does what and criticism that it has left economic problems to fester for too long. Policymakers in the 16 countries that use the euro are struggling to convince markets about the stability of their euro zone because of fears that other debt-ridden countries such as Spain and Portugal could follow Greece into severe trouble. " There has been a lot of rhetoric about the 'European project' (to strengthen the EU) but to a large extent governments have had their heads in the sand and not addressed the tough underlying problems, " Simon Tilford, chief economist at the Center for European Reform think tank in London, said. " There is an insularity and provincialism which is very worrying. " The Lisbon treaty creates a full-time president, enhances the role of EU foreign policy chief and hands the European Parliament more power. It is also meant to ease decision-making and strengthen the bloc's global role. But battles for influence continue and Spain has upset some states by seeking the lead as holder of the separate, rotating EU presidency, an organizational role that is held for six months by each country but has less visibility under the treaty. FEARS OVER EURO AREA A perceived lack of unity over how to solve Greece's debt problems and prevent them spreading to other countries in the euro area has contributed to the concerns of investors worried about a sovereign default. The euro has hit its lowest level against the dollar since May 2009. " Now we are in a (difficult) situation and it is quite clear they don't have a plan for dealing with it, " said Juergen Michels, an economist at Citigroup in London. Analysts no longer discount the possibility that a smaller member of the currency bloc such as Greece could be pushed out, though most believe monetary union will survive. Such fears prompted Ewald Nowotny, a member of the European Central Bank's Governing Council, on Friday to dismiss suggestions that the euro zone might break up as " absurd. " The stakes are high, not only because the fiscal problems could spread, but because the credibility of European economic policymakers is at stake. " This is much more than an issue about problems in the periphery. It is a test case of the ability of the (European) Commission and Eurogroup (of finance ministers) to impose the essential fiscal discipline needed to underpin EMU (European monetary union), " BNP Paribas said in a research note on Friday. OBAMA BLOW The EU's credibility problems stretch far beyond its difficulties convincing markets it can solve its economic woes. It suffered a deep blow to its prestige this week when Washington announced that President Barack Obama would not attend an EU-U.S. summit in Madrid in May, and indicated that confusion over who represents the EU at meetings under the Lisbon treaty had been a factor in the decision. This was a bitter disappointment for Spain and the bloc, which represents more than 500 million people, particularly so soon after the EU's pride was hurt at international climate change talks in Copenhagen in December. Although the final deal in Copenhagen was largely based on ideas promoted by the EU, Washington did not invite it to last-minute talks with other powers that sealed the deal and it was aggrieved that its more radical proposals were ignored. LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL? Supporters of the Lisbon treaty say it is just a matter of time before its positive effects are felt. " If we want to see movement that brings new gravity to EU institutions, it'll be in one, two or three years, " said Ulrike Guerot of the European Council on Foreign Relations think tank. There may be light at the end of the tunnel because the European Parliament is expected next week to approve the new European Commission, the EU executive body that has legislative, regulatory and policy-making powers. [iD:nLDE61225J] The Commission's ability to launch major initiatives has been frozen since November because of delays in confirming it in office, caused largely by obstacles to securing Czech approval for the Lisbon treaty and a long wait for Ireland to back it. But new problems are also emerging. The European Parliament has shown it is ready to flex its muscles under the new treaty, which increases its responsibility for shaping legislation, and this could hold up or water down Commission initiatives. A battle is already looming over plans to create banking watchdogs because some parliamentarians are challenging a deal between Britain and other finance ministers. ID:BFA001043 Tightening financial regulation after the global economic crisis is an EU priority and any delay or failure to do so would deeply undermine the EU's reputation. Utkal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Manoj, Members LALIT, UTKAL AS HE CAN WRITE MESSAGES TO HIIMSELF FROM HIS REAL NAME TO PEN NAME ALSO [LM, and UP] has missed the point he has quoted Varahmira has described various Geographical entities with certain rasis/sings/Lagna in his time or most others time IDNIA DID NOT EXIST Bharatha varsha, Bharata Khanda [as we do recite in a sankalpa for a Puja, remidial measure, archana, homas , shradha etc] is broadly for the sub-continent areas he himself has listed next Kanya is the sign assigned to a much wider area beyond Bharatha varsha as it talks of the period of LOrd rama's times. Indian indipendence chart is for the nation created of smaller loose elelemts or states nearly 640 odd left with India rest joined Pakistan east, west. so when we r analysing the Indian Union we need to use Vrishabha alone when studying the sub-continent it is Makara whenstudying the overall dharmic nature of the region Kanya can be applied but 1st 2 r good enough for this materialistic world we r part of. Best wishes Prashant On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > > A real long mail. I must first congratulate you for having the stamina to > write such long mails. May it is the God's divine grace that shows up this > way. > > > " True Vedic approach is rock solid and infallible, Varahmihira is the one > who corrupted vedic principles of predictive jyotish, It was he who said > India's lagna is Makar and same is followed by Prof K.N Rao and others, > however, no one tried to know Varahmihira had no base saying like this, he > had not mentioned anything in his support, and Prof K.N Rao and other > scholars simply believed Varahmihira' s work which is wrong, irony is they > are using both Vrisabh lagna as well as Makar Lagna in their post event > researches. " > > Now we have someone who can question the authority of Varahamihir. Who says > Vedic approach is not rock solid. You are trying to go too far dear and > watch out slippages on the way. > > I when saw, challanges are put before jyotish,conduted an earnest study for > the benefit of jyotishis and with a purpose to bring them back to right > track, have given 1000 yrs data for both - Andhra Troubles and removal of > troops from kashmir, and predicted immediate future events, after the > prediction, events came true, It's infallible. > > What dual standards. You do research for the benefits of Jyotishis and > refuse to share it with them. Telangana issue is raging fire since he > creation of Andhra State after it being carved out of other southern states. > Anyone who follows Indian politics knows of the issue since last to last > elections when it came out in the fore. Bask in your glories, no one minds > it, and if you are doing it for the good of jyotishis, it is still more > laudable, but then what stops you from sharing the " so called researches " of > yours. > > How countries chart came into existence is just becoz of the fact that in > the lack of tools and awareness some jyotishis in the decade of 70-80 > started applying approch of individual's chart over countries also and as > those are post event analysis, they themselves and their students got > satisfied, a false satisfaction. > > Now dont start saying that God was kind enough to tell you about creation > of the mother earth. Certainly, God is more kind to certain people than > others. > > > Just ask anybody who could dare write that there will be no terror attack > like 26/11 next day after PM's warning, who could dare predict fall of > communists and who could dare tell that there is no immediate division of > the Andhra Pradesh. > > Even a " bachha " (child) knew it because there are political compulsions and > this cannot be done because it would have raked up demands for similar > creations in some other Indian States. Jaswant Singh, Hon'ble M.P. from > Darjeeling had already led one such delegation. > > > In fact, their tear is flowing is because they could not predict anything > like this, because, their approach is wrong, their way of understanding > mundane astrology is wrong despite they have dumped books on mundane > matters. Before everybody I said that there will be dispute in europian > union in mid 2011, you can check if that comes correct or not, what's > europe's lagna, let them spend their life time in fixing it. > > You do add to the entertainment factor. There are no tears. It is such > astrologers who do more damage to astrology than helping its cause. European > Union has been undergoing tensions ever since its inception. Everyone knows > it. First it was because of the common currency issue and then Shenegen Visa > and now for the past two years, talks are already on wherein they are trying > to devise means to be one but yet be able to function as a separate unit. Am > reproducing below an article published by Reuters in this regard for your > and your follower's knowledge to know the truth. And mind it, such disputes > are already going on since the Lisbon treaty last year. > > Manoj > > Disunity, economic woes dog EU image drive > Timothy Heritage - Analysis > BRUSSELS > Fri Feb 5, 2010 9:17am ESTBRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Union's efforts > to improve its global image are looking increasingly unconvincing as it > struggles to contain a debt crisis in Greece and put down talk that its > 16-nation euro currency bloc could break up. > When the last of the EU's 27 member states finally accepted the Lisbon > reform treaty last year after nearly a decade of disputes and hesitation, EU > leaders hailed the start of a bright new era for the world's biggest trading > bloc. > But two months after the treaty came into force, the EU is dogged by > rivalry among member states, differences over economic policy, confusion > over who does what and criticism that it has left economic problems to > fester for too long. > Policymakers in the 16 countries that use the euro are struggling to > convince markets about the stability of their euro zone because of fears > that other debt-ridden countries such as Spain and Portugal could follow > Greece into severe trouble. > " There has been a lot of rhetoric about the 'European project' (to > strengthen the EU) but to a large extent governments have had their heads in > the sand and not addressed the tough underlying problems, " Simon Tilford, > chief economist at the Center for European Reform think tank in London, > said. > " There is an insularity and provincialism which is very worrying. " > The Lisbon treaty creates a full-time president, enhances the role of EU > foreign policy chief and hands the European Parliament more power. It is > also meant to ease decision-making and strengthen the bloc's global role. > But battles for influence continue and Spain has upset some states by > seeking the lead as holder of the separate, rotating EU presidency, an > organizational role that is held for six months by each country but has less > visibility under the treaty. > FEARS OVER EURO AREA > A perceived lack of unity over how to solve Greece's debt problems and > prevent them spreading to other countries in the euro area has contributed > to the concerns of investors worried about a sovereign default. The euro has > hit its lowest level against the dollar since May 2009. > " Now we are in a (difficult) situation and it is quite clear they don't > have a plan for dealing with it, " said Juergen Michels, an economist at > Citigroup in London. > Analysts no longer discount the possibility that a smaller member of the > currency bloc such as Greece could be pushed out, though most believe > monetary union will survive. > Such fears prompted Ewald Nowotny, a member of the European Central Bank's > Governing Council, on Friday to dismiss suggestions that the euro zone might > break up as " absurd. " > The stakes are high, not only because the fiscal problems could spread, but > because the credibility of European economic policymakers is at stake. > " This is much more than an issue about problems in the periphery. It is a > test case of the ability of the (European) Commission and Eurogroup (of > finance ministers) to impose the essential fiscal discipline needed to > underpin EMU (European monetary union), " BNP Paribas said in a research note > on Friday. > OBAMA BLOW > The EU's credibility problems stretch far beyond its difficulties > convincing markets it can solve its economic woes. > It suffered a deep blow to its prestige this week when Washington announced > that President Barack Obama would not attend an EU-U.S. summit in Madrid in > May, and indicated that confusion over who represents the EU at meetings > under the Lisbon treaty had been a factor in the decision. > This was a bitter disappointment for Spain and the bloc, which represents > more than 500 million people, particularly so soon after the EU's pride was > hurt at international climate change talks in Copenhagen in December. > Although the final deal in Copenhagen was largely based on ideas promoted > by the EU, Washington did not invite it to last-minute talks with other > powers that sealed the deal and it was aggrieved that its more radical > proposals were ignored. > LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL? > Supporters of the Lisbon treaty say it is just a matter of time before its > positive effects are felt. > " If we want to see movement that brings new gravity to EU institutions, > it'll be in one, two or three years, " said Ulrike Guerot of the European > Council on Foreign Relations think tank. > There may be light at the end of the tunnel because the European Parliament > is expected next week to approve the new European Commission, the EU > executive body that has legislative, regulatory and policy-making powers. > [iD:nLDE61225J] > The Commission's ability to launch major initiatives has been frozen since > November because of delays in confirming it in office, caused largely by > obstacles to securing Czech approval for the Lisbon treaty and a long wait > for Ireland to back it. > But new problems are also emerging. The European Parliament has shown it is > ready to flex its muscles under the new treaty, which increases its > responsibility for shaping legislation, and this could hold up or water down > Commission initiatives. > A battle is already looming over plans to create banking watchdogs because > some parliamentarians are challenging a deal between Britain and other > finance ministers. ID:BFA001043 > Tightening financial regulation after the global economic crisis is an EU > priority and any delay or failure to do so would deeply undermine the EU's > reputation. > > Utkal. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Mr. Prashant Pandey, My only concern is that lets not distort astrology. You take any ascendant of your choice, I have no objections, but prove it through logical astrology and dont un-necessarily drag the names of stalwarts. Manoj ________________________________ astro desk <astro.prashantkumar Mon, February 8, 2010 9:06:03 PM Re: Re: Ascendent of India & Related Problems  Manoj, Members LALIT, UTKAL AS HE CAN WRITE MESSAGES TO HIIMSELF FROM HIS REAL NAME TO PEN NAME ALSO [LM, and UP] has missed the point he has quoted Varahmira has described various Geographical entities with certain rasis/sings/ Lagna in his time or most others time IDNIA DID NOT EXIST Bharatha varsha, Bharata Khanda [as we do recite in a sankalpa for a Puja, remidial measure, archana, homas , shradha etc] is broadly for the sub-continent areas he himself has listed next Kanya is the sign assigned to a much wider area beyond Bharatha varsha as it talks of the period of LOrd rama's times. Indian indipendence chart is for the nation created of smaller loose elelemts or states nearly 640 odd left with India rest joined Pakistan east, west. so when we r analysing the Indian Union we need to use Vrishabha alone when studying the sub-continent it is Makara whenstudying the overall dharmic nature of the region Kanya can be applied but 1st 2 r good enough for this materialistic world we r part of. Best wishes Prashant On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: > > > A real long mail. I must first congratulate you for having the stamina to > write such long mails. May it is the God's divine grace that shows up this > way. > > > " True Vedic approach is rock solid and infallible, Varahmihira is the one > who corrupted vedic principles of predictive jyotish, It was he who said > India's lagna is Makar and same is followed by Prof K.N Rao and others, > however, no one tried to know Varahmihira had no base saying like this, he > had not mentioned anything in his support, and Prof K.N Rao and other > scholars simply believed Varahmihira' s work which is wrong, irony is they > are using both Vrisabh lagna as well as Makar Lagna in their post event > researches. " > > Now we have someone who can question the authority of Varahamihir. Who says > Vedic approach is not rock solid. You are trying to go too far dear and > watch out slippages on the way. > > I when saw, challanges are put before jyotish,conduted an earnest study for > the benefit of jyotishis and with a purpose to bring them back to right > track, have given 1000 yrs data for both - Andhra Troubles and removal of > troops from kashmir, and predicted immediate future events, after the > prediction, events came true, It's infallible. > > What dual standards. You do research for the benefits of Jyotishis and > refuse to share it with them. Telangana issue is raging fire since he > creation of Andhra State after it being carved out of other southern states. > Anyone who follows Indian politics knows of the issue since last to last > elections when it came out in the fore. Bask in your glories, no one minds > it, and if you are doing it for the good of jyotishis, it is still more > laudable, but then what stops you from sharing the " so called researches " of > yours. > > How countries chart came into existence is just becoz of the fact that in > the lack of tools and awareness some jyotishis in the decade of 70-80 > started applying approch of individual's chart over countries also and as > those are post event analysis, they themselves and their students got > satisfied, a false satisfaction. > > Now dont start saying that God was kind enough to tell you about creation > of the mother earth. Certainly, God is more kind to certain people than > others. > > > Just ask anybody who could dare write that there will be no terror attack > like 26/11 next day after PM's warning, who could dare predict fall of > communists and who could dare tell that there is no immediate division of > the Andhra Pradesh. > > Even a " bachha " (child) knew it because there are political compulsions and > this cannot be done because it would have raked up demands for similar > creations in some other Indian States. Jaswant Singh, Hon'ble M.P. from > Darjeeling had already led one such delegation. > > > In fact, their tear is flowing is because they could not predict anything > like this, because, their approach is wrong, their way of understanding > mundane astrology is wrong despite they have dumped books on mundane > matters. Before everybody I said that there will be dispute in europian > union in mid 2011, you can check if that comes correct or not, what's > europe's lagna, let them spend their life time in fixing it. > > You do add to the entertainment factor. There are no tears. It is such > astrologers who do more damage to astrology than helping its cause. European > Union has been undergoing tensions ever since its inception. Everyone knows > it. First it was because of the common currency issue and then Shenegen Visa > and now for the past two years, talks are already on wherein they are trying > to devise means to be one but yet be able to function as a separate unit. Am > reproducing below an article published by Reuters in this regard for your > and your follower's knowledge to know the truth. And mind it, such disputes > are already going on since the Lisbon treaty last year. > > Manoj > > Disunity, economic woes dog EU image drive > Timothy Heritage - Analysis > BRUSSELS > Fri Feb 5, 2010 9:17am ESTBRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Union's efforts > to improve its global image are looking increasingly unconvincing as it > struggles to contain a debt crisis in Greece and put down talk that its > 16-nation euro currency bloc could break up. > When the last of the EU's 27 member states finally accepted the Lisbon > reform treaty last year after nearly a decade of disputes and hesitation, EU > leaders hailed the start of a bright new era for the world's biggest trading > bloc. > But two months after the treaty came into force, the EU is dogged by > rivalry among member states, differences over economic policy, confusion > over who does what and criticism that it has left economic problems to > fester for too long. > Policymakers in the 16 countries that use the euro are struggling to > convince markets about the stability of their euro zone because of fears > that other debt-ridden countries such as Spain and Portugal could follow > Greece into severe trouble. > " There has been a lot of rhetoric about the 'European project' (to > strengthen the EU) but to a large extent governments have had their heads in > the sand and not addressed the tough underlying problems, " Simon Tilford, > chief economist at the Center for European Reform think tank in London, > said. > " There is an insularity and provincialism which is very worrying. " > The Lisbon treaty creates a full-time president, enhances the role of EU > foreign policy chief and hands the European Parliament more power. It is > also meant to ease decision-making and strengthen the bloc's global role. > But battles for influence continue and Spain has upset some states by > seeking the lead as holder of the separate, rotating EU presidency, an > organizational role that is held for six months by each country but has less > visibility under the treaty. > FEARS OVER EURO AREA > A perceived lack of unity over how to solve Greece's debt problems and > prevent them spreading to other countries in the euro area has contributed > to the concerns of investors worried about a sovereign default. The euro has > hit its lowest level against the dollar since May 2009. > " Now we are in a (difficult) situation and it is quite clear they don't > have a plan for dealing with it, " said Juergen Michels, an economist at > Citigroup in London. > Analysts no longer discount the possibility that a smaller member of the > currency bloc such as Greece could be pushed out, though most believe > monetary union will survive. > Such fears prompted Ewald Nowotny, a member of the European Central Bank's > Governing Council, on Friday to dismiss suggestions that the euro zone might > break up as " absurd. " > The stakes are high, not only because the fiscal problems could spread, but > because the credibility of European economic policymakers is at stake. > " This is much more than an issue about problems in the periphery. It is a > test case of the ability of the (European) Commission and Eurogroup (of > finance ministers) to impose the essential fiscal discipline needed to > underpin EMU (European monetary union), " BNP Paribas said in a research note > on Friday. > OBAMA BLOW > The EU's credibility problems stretch far beyond its difficulties > convincing markets it can solve its economic woes. > It suffered a deep blow to its prestige this week when Washington announced > that President Barack Obama would not attend an EU-U.S. summit in Madrid in > May, and indicated that confusion over who represents the EU at meetings > under the Lisbon treaty had been a factor in the decision. > This was a bitter disappointment for Spain and the bloc, which represents > more than 500 million people, particularly so soon after the EU's pride was > hurt at international climate change talks in Copenhagen in December. > Although the final deal in Copenhagen was largely based on ideas promoted > by the EU, Washington did not invite it to last-minute talks with other > powers that sealed the deal and it was aggrieved that its more radical > proposals were ignored. > LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL? > Supporters of the Lisbon treaty say it is just a matter of time before its > positive effects are felt. > " If we want to see movement that brings new gravity to EU institutions, > it'll be in one, two or three years, " said Ulrike Guerot of the European > Council on Foreign Relations think tank. > There may be light at the end of the tunnel because the European Parliament > is expected next week to approve the new European Commission, the EU > executive body that has legislative, regulatory and policy-making powers. > [iD:nLDE61225J] > The Commission's ability to launch major initiatives has been frozen since > November because of delays in confirming it in office, caused largely by > obstacles to securing Czech approval for the Lisbon treaty and a long wait > for Ireland to back it. > But new problems are also emerging. The European Parliament has shown it is > ready to flex its muscles under the new treaty, which increases its > responsibility for shaping legislation, and this could hold up or water down > Commission initiatives. > A battle is already looming over plans to create banking watchdogs because > some parliamentarians are challenging a deal between Britain and other > finance ministers. ID:BFA001043 > Tightening financial regulation after the global economic crisis is an EU > priority and any delay or failure to do so would deeply undermine the EU's > reputation. > > Utkal. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Dear Mr Prashant Kumar GB, I would like to request you to show to Mouji that you are not fake astrologer and dont distort astrology. Prove infront of all that you say all things logically instead of hiding in the bag of stalwarts. Go ahead. Thanks, Dinesh , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Mr. Prashant Pandey, > > My only concern is that lets not distort astrology. You take any ascendant of your choice, I have no objections, but prove it through logical astrology and dont un-necessarily drag the names of stalwarts. > > Manoj > > > > > ________________________________ > astro desk <astro.prashantkumar > > Mon, February 8, 2010 9:06:03 PM > Re: Re: Ascendent of India & Related Problems > > Â > Manoj, Members > > LALIT, UTKAL AS HE CAN WRITE MESSAGES TO HIIMSELF FROM HIS REAL NAME TO PEN > NAME ALSO [LM, and UP] > > has missed the point he has quoted > > Varahmira has described various Geographical entities with certain > rasis/sings/ Lagna > > in his time or most others time IDNIA DID NOT EXIST > > Bharatha varsha, Bharata Khanda [as we do recite in a sankalpa for a Puja, > remidial measure, archana, homas , shradha etc] is broadly for the > sub-continent areas he himself has listed > > next Kanya is the sign assigned to a much wider area beyond Bharatha varsha > as it talks of the period of LOrd rama's times. > > Indian indipendence chart is for the nation created of smaller loose > elelemts or states nearly 640 odd left with India rest joined Pakistan east, > west. > > so when we r analysing the Indian Union we need to use Vrishabha alone > when studying the sub-continent it is Makara > whenstudying the overall dharmic nature of the region Kanya can be applied > but 1st 2 r good enough for this materialistic world we r part of. > > Best wishes > Prashant > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: > > > > > > > A real long mail. I must first congratulate you for having the stamina to > > write such long mails. May it is the God's divine grace that shows up this > > way. > > > > > > " True Vedic approach is rock solid and infallible, Varahmihira is the one > > who corrupted vedic principles of predictive jyotish, It was he who said > > India's lagna is Makar and same is followed by Prof K.N Rao and others, > > however, no one tried to know Varahmihira had no base saying like this, he > > had not mentioned anything in his support, and Prof K.N Rao and other > > scholars simply believed Varahmihira' s work which is wrong, irony is they > > are using both Vrisabh lagna as well as Makar Lagna in their post event > > researches. " > > > > Now we have someone who can question the authority of Varahamihir. Who says > > Vedic approach is not rock solid. You are trying to go too far dear and > > watch out slippages on the way. > > > > I when saw, challanges are put before jyotish,conduted an earnest study for > > the benefit of jyotishis and with a purpose to bring them back to right > > track, have given 1000 yrs data for both - Andhra Troubles and removal of > > troops from kashmir, and predicted immediate future events, after the > > prediction, events came true, It's infallible. > > > > What dual standards. You do research for the benefits of Jyotishis and > > refuse to share it with them. Telangana issue is raging fire since he > > creation of Andhra State after it being carved out of other southern states. > > Anyone who follows Indian politics knows of the issue since last to last > > elections when it came out in the fore. Bask in your glories, no one minds > > it, and if you are doing it for the good of jyotishis, it is still more > > laudable, but then what stops you from sharing the " so called researches " of > > yours. > > > > How countries chart came into existence is just becoz of the fact that in > > the lack of tools and awareness some jyotishis in the decade of 70-80 > > started applying approch of individual's chart over countries also and as > > those are post event analysis, they themselves and their students got > > satisfied, a false satisfaction. > > > > Now dont start saying that God was kind enough to tell you about creation > > of the mother earth. Certainly, God is more kind to certain people than > > others. > > > > > > Just ask anybody who could dare write that there will be no terror attack > > like 26/11 next day after PM's warning, who could dare predict fall of > > communists and who could dare tell that there is no immediate division of > > the Andhra Pradesh. > > > > Even a " bachha " (child) knew it because there are political compulsions and > > this cannot be done because it would have raked up demands for similar > > creations in some other Indian States. Jaswant Singh, Hon'ble M.P. from > > Darjeeling had already led one such delegation. > > > > > > In fact, their tear is flowing is because they could not predict anything > > like this, because, their approach is wrong, their way of understanding > > mundane astrology is wrong despite they have dumped books on mundane > > matters. Before everybody I said that there will be dispute in europian > > union in mid 2011, you can check if that comes correct or not, what's > > europe's lagna, let them spend their life time in fixing it. > > > > You do add to the entertainment factor. There are no tears. It is such > > astrologers who do more damage to astrology than helping its cause. European > > Union has been undergoing tensions ever since its inception. Everyone knows > > it. First it was because of the common currency issue and then Shenegen Visa > > and now for the past two years, talks are already on wherein they are trying > > to devise means to be one but yet be able to function as a separate unit. Am > > reproducing below an article published by Reuters in this regard for your > > and your follower's knowledge to know the truth. And mind it, such disputes > > are already going on since the Lisbon treaty last year. > > > > Manoj > > > > Disunity, economic woes dog EU image drive > > Timothy Heritage - Analysis > > BRUSSELS > > Fri Feb 5, 2010 9:17am ESTBRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Union's efforts > > to improve its global image are looking increasingly unconvincing as it > > struggles to contain a debt crisis in Greece and put down talk that its > > 16-nation euro currency bloc could break up. > > When the last of the EU's 27 member states finally accepted the Lisbon > > reform treaty last year after nearly a decade of disputes and hesitation, EU > > leaders hailed the start of a bright new era for the world's biggest trading > > bloc. > > But two months after the treaty came into force, the EU is dogged by > > rivalry among member states, differences over economic policy, confusion > > over who does what and criticism that it has left economic problems to > > fester for too long. > > Policymakers in the 16 countries that use the euro are struggling to > > convince markets about the stability of their euro zone because of fears > > that other debt-ridden countries such as Spain and Portugal could follow > > Greece into severe trouble. > > " There has been a lot of rhetoric about the 'European project' (to > > strengthen the EU) but to a large extent governments have had their heads in > > the sand and not addressed the tough underlying problems, " Simon Tilford, > > chief economist at the Center for European Reform think tank in London, > > said. > > " There is an insularity and provincialism which is very worrying. " > > The Lisbon treaty creates a full-time president, enhances the role of EU > > foreign policy chief and hands the European Parliament more power. It is > > also meant to ease decision-making and strengthen the bloc's global role. > > But battles for influence continue and Spain has upset some states by > > seeking the lead as holder of the separate, rotating EU presidency, an > > organizational role that is held for six months by each country but has less > > visibility under the treaty. > > FEARS OVER EURO AREA > > A perceived lack of unity over how to solve Greece's debt problems and > > prevent them spreading to other countries in the euro area has contributed > > to the concerns of investors worried about a sovereign default. The euro has > > hit its lowest level against the dollar since May 2009. > > " Now we are in a (difficult) situation and it is quite clear they don't > > have a plan for dealing with it, " said Juergen Michels, an economist at > > Citigroup in London. > > Analysts no longer discount the possibility that a smaller member of the > > currency bloc such as Greece could be pushed out, though most believe > > monetary union will survive. > > Such fears prompted Ewald Nowotny, a member of the European Central Bank's > > Governing Council, on Friday to dismiss suggestions that the euro zone might > > break up as " absurd. " > > The stakes are high, not only because the fiscal problems could spread, but > > because the credibility of European economic policymakers is at stake. > > " This is much more than an issue about problems in the periphery. It is a > > test case of the ability of the (European) Commission and Eurogroup (of > > finance ministers) to impose the essential fiscal discipline needed to > > underpin EMU (European monetary union), " BNP Paribas said in a research note > > on Friday. > > OBAMA BLOW > > The EU's credibility problems stretch far beyond its difficulties > > convincing markets it can solve its economic woes. > > It suffered a deep blow to its prestige this week when Washington announced > > that President Barack Obama would not attend an EU-U.S. summit in Madrid in > > May, and indicated that confusion over who represents the EU at meetings > > under the Lisbon treaty had been a factor in the decision. > > This was a bitter disappointment for Spain and the bloc, which represents > > more than 500 million people, particularly so soon after the EU's pride was > > hurt at international climate change talks in Copenhagen in December. > > Although the final deal in Copenhagen was largely based on ideas promoted > > by the EU, Washington did not invite it to last-minute talks with other > > powers that sealed the deal and it was aggrieved that its more radical > > proposals were ignored. > > LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL? > > Supporters of the Lisbon treaty say it is just a matter of time before its > > positive effects are felt. > > " If we want to see movement that brings new gravity to EU institutions, > > it'll be in one, two or three years, " said Ulrike Guerot of the European > > Council on Foreign Relations think tank. > > There may be light at the end of the tunnel because the European Parliament > > is expected next week to approve the new European Commission, the EU > > executive body that has legislative, regulatory and policy-making powers. > > [iD:nLDE61225J] > > The Commission's ability to launch major initiatives has been frozen since > > November because of delays in confirming it in office, caused largely by > > obstacles to securing Czech approval for the Lisbon treaty and a long wait > > for Ireland to back it. > > But new problems are also emerging. The European Parliament has shown it is > > ready to flex its muscles under the new treaty, which increases its > > responsibility for shaping legislation, and this could hold up or water down > > Commission initiatives. > > A battle is already looming over plans to create banking watchdogs because > > some parliamentarians are challenging a deal between Britain and other > > finance ministers. ID:BFA001043 > > Tightening financial regulation after the global economic crisis is an EU > > priority and any delay or failure to do so would deeply undermine the EU's > > reputation. > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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