Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Dear Marg,  I've read something like that in books on nakshatra/maybe  even Harness?/ but don't have them now /my recent moving to a new place/ I am pretty sure though that someting along that line, 'difficult to cure, diagnose' thus 'one hundred physician needed- bcs I I have rahu in Satabhishak /and it goes well with Rahu's deceptive nature/  Swati naksatra is one I find difficult to undestand fully. Marg, your idea that we share med. charts and discuss here is great! why don't we start the ON NAKSATRAS thread, so that people can share those precious experiencial subtleties, that cannot be found in any book- like one you presented- which is hard to forget easily.  So dear Listers, can we unite for while for the sake of the common task? Please share your experiences, your understanding of naksatras, et  Good Luck to All! Anna  --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Marg <margie9 wrote: Marg <margie9 Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:57 AM  Dear Anna I think Mars in Satabhisha indicates some surgical skill, though the rest of the chart has to be taken into consideration of course. I haven't done a comprehensive study so wouldn't know what other areas it would cover, but perhaps if others on the list have medical charts they could look up and share with us? I haven't heard of the ''difficult to diagnose ''attributed to this nakshatra, it would be good if you could tell us more? cheers margie I - sar108 Friday, February 05, 2010 10:45 PM Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg, I also wish we could keep reading simple- This example is a promising one, indeed! And Satabhishak Naks is really interesting- along with your rich experience! Would you see it covering medical profession in general, or just more invasive ones/branches/ cutting involved/?I think if Mars is in Satabhisha then likely there is some surgical skill I find 'difficult to diagnose illness' some attribute to Satabhisak N. also very intriguing. Would you please share your view> Thanks, Anna --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 4:55 PM Hello Anna The two charts were identical if I remember correctly,, other than nakshatra placements and the jyotish in India said by sheer coincidence he had a chart similar to one I was reading. Although he said that his chart belonged to the gynae, I didn't read my chart as belonging to someone with so much professional discipline, so had to decided what was making the difference in outcome. I think the first thing was the dasa runs were slightly different but not vastly, but having done lots of charts for doctors and medically minded people I did know that satabhisha was important and so queried the placement of mars, to find it was different in the two charts. My chart had Mars in Dhanishtha and certainly my client was more interested in chasing money as a financial consultant and advisor, than cutting people up! Cheers Margie - sar108 Friday, February 05, 2010 9:34 PM Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg and Utkal, Thank you for sharing. The example you gave, Marg, is a very powerful point for Naks. use. I am wondering if you've found some important /angular/ planet placement difference btw two charts as well? I have seen that in many 'relocation' charts- I know you give some importance to 'astro*ch*gr' in readings- I guess you singled out naksatras importance for theoretical reasons, only? Utkal, what you are referring to /China's aggression/? In terms of global security, recent Russia's announcement that NATO expansion is considered a threat to it's security, is /the only/ 'breaking news' I've heard of. Regards, Anna S.A.R --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:20 AM Dear Utkal, Yes it would be nice if more people shared insights and experience on jyotish techniques. I'm not sure what the Chinese aggression is? In the UK we are dealing with the former PM's aggressive war on Iraq when we are signed up to peace treaties, and he has been found to have deceived our Parliament over the reason for war, and then we have the MP's expense scandal keeping other affairs off the front pages. Of course we all await the next election so we can do something about it, so not sure what is going on in China other than Google/CIA run having a big row with the country. cheers M - utkal.panigrahi Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:59 PM Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg, It's encouraging to know from you that nakshatra's implication is being noticed, Hope ,group will regain it's lost lustre soon with scholarly people's activism. How you think about europe's perception about impact of chinese stupid agression. regards, Utkal. , " Marg " <margie9 > wrote: > > Dear Utkal > With reference to use of nakshatra > I would like to contribute a little experience I had recently where another astrologer had an identical chart to one I was reading, except natives of both charts were born in different countries. > My client had Mars in third house along with Rahu Ju and Ve in Kumbha rasi, so did the other chart of a gynaecologist born in India. > You would think my client would also be a gynaecologist due to same chart, but it was the nakshatra placement of the planets that made the essential difference to career choice, along with slight difference in dasa sequence. My client did not have Mars ( mars ruling surgeons) L5/12 in satabhisha the nakshatra for physicians, though both Venus and Jupiter were in that nakshatra, whereas the gynaecologist did have mars in satabhisha. > So it would seem that the nakshatras are a useful guide to finding additional information about how the planets will behave in rasi/real life without the need to set up an additional chart to explain their influence? > cheers > Marg > > - > utkal.panigrahi > > Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:37 PM > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > > > > > I wish to clarify that my post about Navamsa was based on study of > following jyotish classics in my possession, None of the following > classics mention divisional horoscopes or Amsha Kundali or Varga kundali > the way Janma Kundali (natal chart) is mentioned by them, this is the > reason that there is no reference Navamsa bhava, Navamsa conjunctions or > Navamsa aspects on Navamsa bhava etc, vedic jyotish only suggests to > make table of Navamsas occupied by graha (planet) in a rashi of janma > kundali or natal chart and defines predictive attributes of planets > falling in those Navamsa or Amsas or set of degrees of named divisions > of same rashi as given in janma kundali or natal chart. > > It appears that sages were doing efforts to define predictive attributes > of each degree of a nakshatra and rashi, Sage Kashyap's describes Padas > of Nakschatras and also identifies a Yogtara in the tara's of Nakshtras, > His description of Nakshatras gives can give a corrective foundation to > Krishnamurti Padhati which looks to be deviated from the vedic path and > therefore loosing predictive lustre, Sage Shukadeva seems to be first > who gave idea of Mritu Bhaga, however, His proposition is largely > different then what's given in Jatak Parijata, Phaladeepika and Prashna > Marga. > > I was asked by groups members about the base of my posting, therefore > this confirmatory post is done. > > Classics by Sages : > > Sage Work > > Lomash Lomash Samhita (700 verses) > Vasistha Vasistha Samhita > Bhrigu Bhrigu Samhita, Bhrigu Sutra > Kashyap Atharvan Jyotiosh > Parashuram Bhargav Nadika > Shukdeva Shuka Jatakm > Parashara Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra > Badrayana Prashna Vidya > > Classics by Seers : > > Seer Work > > Satyacharya Satya jatak (Druva Nadi) > Bhaskaracharya Bhava Deepika > Ramanujacharya Bhavarh Ratnakar > > Tantra Classics : > > Lord Work > > Punja Raja Shambu Hora Prakash > Shiav - Parvati Jyotisharnav Navneetam > Shiva - Parvati Rudrayamal Tantra > > Nadi Classics : > > Deva Keralam by R Santhanam > Suka Nadi by R Santhanam > > Classics by Scholars : > > Scholar Work > > Prithu Vyasa Hora Sara > Venktesh Shastri Sarvarth Chintamani > Vaidyanath Jatak Parijaat > Kalyan Verman Sarawali > Kalidasa Uttar Kalamritam > Hema Prabhu Suri Triloka Jyotish (Jain Classic) > Dhundhiraj JatakBharanam > Jeevanath Bhava Kautuhalam > Balbhadra Mishra Hora Ratnam > Hara Shandilya ManSagri > Ramdina Daivagya Brihad Daivagya Ranjanam > Abdurahim Khan Khana Kheta Kautukam > Ram Dayalu Sanket Nidhi > Maha Dev pathak Jatak Tatva > Ram Rathna Ojha Phalit Vikas > Mukund Vallabh Mishra ShadVarga Phal Prakash > Mukund Daivagya Bhava Manjari, Phalit Martand > K N Sarawati Jatak Chandrika > > I have deliberately not studied VarahMihira' s work, I am open for any > discussion or debate on vedic view of Navamsa or any amsa or division. > > Utkal. > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > Neelam, > > > > 1. Mantras do work, mantras are one of the basic framework of our > religion, do not pass sweeping statements letting down truth and > religion. > > > > 2. If you know instances of your life when mantras have not worked, > you should have gone for knowing the reasons why you failed to see or > fail to realize working of mantra, did you do that. > > > > I have done that in my life. > > > > What i said about using navamsa is said by parashara, kalyan verma, > dhundhiraj,mantresw ara and several others. > > > > You decide whose astrology you follow - vedic seer's, classics and > morever an astrology based on true principles and flawless logic or you > follow errorneous practise done by those people who taught you astrology > in an institution. > > However, choice is yours, with vedic approach you won't do as many > mistakes as you do with current faulty approach. > > > > Why dont you verify both the approaches on cönfirmed authentic > birth data along with biography of some natives and come up with your > findings. > > > > Till then, don't do cribbing. > > > > Thanks, > > Utkal. > > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > Maybe - Kaliyuga is special! > > > DEMOcrazy arrives, but how? We just heard about the Democratic ways > of the > > > little TEAR DROP! > > > Not to forget, the place has special blessings of Buddha! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 10:19, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga! > > > > > > > > To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to speak > up and > > > > join their voices until democracy arrives! > > > > > > > > Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was > derogatorily > > > > called -- did? > > > > > > > > Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around > this very > > > > epoch many decades ago! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and > remedies > > > > have > > > > > not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise their > voice! > > > > > Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription > properly, or > > > > the > > > > > STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-( > > > > > > > > > > What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the > man-monies! > > > > > Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow > human > > > > beings, > > > > > to save the gullible ones from such tricksters? > > > > > > > > > > Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many > other ways in > > > > > KALIYUG! > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one > recourse > > > > > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe > proxy > > > > poojas. > > > > > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " . > > > > > > > > > > > > C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@<mouji99% > > > > 40> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come > up with > > > > this > > > > > > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when you > got the > > > > > > powers > > > > > > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact > that not > > > > all > > > > > > can > > > > > > > prescribe mantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr > regions " (for > > > > > > which > > > > > > > there is no astrological reason at all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for your " so called " " mundane " > > > > predictions > > > > > > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days can > predict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda' s death > because > > > > you > > > > > > knew > > > > > > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted with > hundreds > > > > of > > > > > > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you > would be > > > > made > > > > > > to > > > > > > > eat your words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show your > worth or > > > > else > > > > > > > show your ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still wishing good for you..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ <utkal.panigrahi % > > > > 40> > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi% 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > > > > > > > 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM > > > > > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > Divisional > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still do > a self > > > > study > > > > > > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of > reading. > > > > Whenever > > > > > > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it > as it > > > > suits > > > > > > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the > methods of > > > > Dr. > > > > > > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants, > but give > > > > no > > > > > > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in > perhaps 3 > > > > years, > > > > > > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by > spending their > > > > > > > entire life on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological > principles and > > > > not > > > > > > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote > about > > > > Swami > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I can > give you > > > > > > > charts where similar placements are present but the persons > are still > > > > > > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a > finger to > > > > your > > > > > > > heart and find out the reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM > > > > > > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > Divisional > > > > Charts > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of > phalit jyotish > > > > or > > > > > > > > predictive astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions > of 3.20 > > > > > > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 > degrees, > > > > each > > > > > > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by > 12 > > > > navamsas > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi > which is > > > > > > > mesha, > > > > > > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha > rashi's first > > > > > > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do > have > > > > predictive > > > > > > > > implications internal to the that rashi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis > within > > > > the > > > > > > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is > no way > > > > > > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, > Planets cast > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a > rashi > > > > receives > > > > > > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi > receives same > > > > > > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and > make a > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put > toghather, > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those > navamsas > > > > or > > > > > > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at > the time > > > > of > > > > > > > > birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees > having a > > > > > > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for > the ease of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are not > known, > > > > but, > > > > > > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, > Our sages > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they > only talked > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > division or amsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into > existence for the > > > > > > > ease > > > > > > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore > question of > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc > emerged. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and > other > > > > divisional > > > > > > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, > take a > > > > case, > > > > > > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of > simha (Leo), > > > > and > > > > > > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, > We w'd > > > > find > > > > > > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other > in Mesha, > > > > > > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna > chart, no > > > > > > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition > based on > > > > their > > > > > > > > conjunction is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, > It's a pity > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, > rushing > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should > > > > understand > > > > > > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa > occupied > > > > by > > > > > > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, > this is the > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other > divisions and > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or > other > > > > divisions, > > > > > > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of > NAVAMSA > > > > CHART > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further > confusions > > > > in > > > > > > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd > stop > > > > taking > > > > > > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or > Iyear's > > > > > > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner > of Jyotish > > > > as > > > > > > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 I think that' a good idea Anna. I have another chart with Taurus rising and Mars in tenth house Satabhisha nakshatra, and this person is also a surgeon working as a gynae. It would be interesting to know if anyone has a chart of a surgeon without this placement of Mars? - sar108 Saturday, February 06, 2010 6:08 PM Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Dear Marg, I've read something like that in books on nakshatra/maybe even Harness?/ but don't have them now /my recent moving to a new place/ I am pretty sure though that someting along that line, 'difficult to cure, diagnose' thus 'one hundred physician needed- bcs I I have rahu in Satabhishak /and it goes well with Rahu's deceptive nature/ Swati naksatra is one I find difficult to undestand fully. Marg, your idea that we share med. charts and discuss here is great! why don't we start the ON NAKSATRAS thread, so that people can share those precious experiencial subtleties, that cannot be found in any book- like one you presented- which is hard to forget easily. So dear Listers, can we unite for while for the sake of the common task? Please share your experiences, your understanding of naksatras, et Good Luck to All! Anna --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Marg <margie9 wrote: Marg <margie9 Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:57 AM Dear Anna I think Mars in Satabhisha indicates some surgical skill, though the rest of the chart has to be taken into consideration of course. I haven't done a comprehensive study so wouldn't know what other areas it would cover, but perhaps if others on the list have medical charts they could look up and share with us? I haven't heard of the ''difficult to diagnose ''attributed to this nakshatra, it would be good if you could tell us more? cheers margie I - sar108 Friday, February 05, 2010 10:45 PM Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg, I also wish we could keep reading simple- This example is a promising one, indeed! And Satabhishak Naks is really interesting- along with your rich experience! Would you see it covering medical profession in general, or just more invasive ones/branches/ cutting involved/?I think if Mars is in Satabhisha then likely there is some surgical skill I find 'difficult to diagnose illness' some attribute to Satabhisak N. also very intriguing. Would you please share your view> Thanks, Anna --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 4:55 PM Hello Anna The two charts were identical if I remember correctly,, other than nakshatra placements and the jyotish in India said by sheer coincidence he had a chart similar to one I was reading. Although he said that his chart belonged to the gynae, I didn't read my chart as belonging to someone with so much professional discipline, so had to decided what was making the difference in outcome. I think the first thing was the dasa runs were slightly different but not vastly, but having done lots of charts for doctors and medically minded people I did know that satabhisha was important and so queried the placement of mars, to find it was different in the two charts. My chart had Mars in Dhanishtha and certainly my client was more interested in chasing money as a financial consultant and advisor, than cutting people up! Cheers Margie - sar108 Friday, February 05, 2010 9:34 PM Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg and Utkal, Thank you for sharing. The example you gave, Marg, is a very powerful point for Naks. use. I am wondering if you've found some important /angular/ planet placement difference btw two charts as well? I have seen that in many 'relocation' charts- I know you give some importance to 'astro*ch*gr' in readings- I guess you singled out naksatras importance for theoretical reasons, only? Utkal, what you are referring to /China's aggression/? In terms of global security, recent Russia's announcement that NATO expansion is considered a threat to it's security, is /the only/ 'breaking news' I've heard of. Regards, Anna S.A.R --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:20 AM Dear Utkal, Yes it would be nice if more people shared insights and experience on jyotish techniques. I'm not sure what the Chinese aggression is? In the UK we are dealing with the former PM's aggressive war on Iraq when we are signed up to peace treaties, and he has been found to have deceived our Parliament over the reason for war, and then we have the MP's expense scandal keeping other affairs off the front pages. Of course we all await the next election so we can do something about it, so not sure what is going on in China other than Google/CIA run having a big row with the country. cheers M - utkal.panigrahi Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:59 PM Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg, It's encouraging to know from you that nakshatra's implication is being noticed, Hope ,group will regain it's lost lustre soon with scholarly people's activism. How you think about europe's perception about impact of chinese stupid agression. regards, Utkal. , " Marg " <margie9 > wrote: > > Dear Utkal > With reference to use of nakshatra > I would like to contribute a little experience I had recently where another astrologer had an identical chart to one I was reading, except natives of both charts were born in different countries. > My client had Mars in third house along with Rahu Ju and Ve in Kumbha rasi, so did the other chart of a gynaecologist born in India. > You would think my client would also be a gynaecologist due to same chart, but it was the nakshatra placement of the planets that made the essential difference to career choice, along with slight difference in dasa sequence. My client did not have Mars ( mars ruling surgeons) L5/12 in satabhisha the nakshatra for physicians, though both Venus and Jupiter were in that nakshatra, whereas the gynaecologist did have mars in satabhisha. > So it would seem that the nakshatras are a useful guide to finding additional information about how the planets will behave in rasi/real life without the need to set up an additional chart to explain their influence? > cheers > Marg > > - > utkal.panigrahi > > Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:37 PM > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > > > > > I wish to clarify that my post about Navamsa was based on study of > following jyotish classics in my possession, None of the following > classics mention divisional horoscopes or Amsha Kundali or Varga kundali > the way Janma Kundali (natal chart) is mentioned by them, this is the > reason that there is no reference Navamsa bhava, Navamsa conjunctions or > Navamsa aspects on Navamsa bhava etc, vedic jyotish only suggests to > make table of Navamsas occupied by graha (planet) in a rashi of janma > kundali or natal chart and defines predictive attributes of planets > falling in those Navamsa or Amsas or set of degrees of named divisions > of same rashi as given in janma kundali or natal chart. > > It appears that sages were doing efforts to define predictive attributes > of each degree of a nakshatra and rashi, Sage Kashyap's describes Padas > of Nakschatras and also identifies a Yogtara in the tara's of Nakshtras, > His description of Nakshatras gives can give a corrective foundation to > Krishnamurti Padhati which looks to be deviated from the vedic path and > therefore loosing predictive lustre, Sage Shukadeva seems to be first > who gave idea of Mritu Bhaga, however, His proposition is largely > different then what's given in Jatak Parijata, Phaladeepika and Prashna > Marga. > > I was asked by groups members about the base of my posting, therefore > this confirmatory post is done. > > Classics by Sages : > > Sage Work > > Lomash Lomash Samhita (700 verses) > Vasistha Vasistha Samhita > Bhrigu Bhrigu Samhita, Bhrigu Sutra > Kashyap Atharvan Jyotiosh > Parashuram Bhargav Nadika > Shukdeva Shuka Jatakm > Parashara Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra > Badrayana Prashna Vidya > > Classics by Seers : > > Seer Work > > Satyacharya Satya jatak (Druva Nadi) > Bhaskaracharya Bhava Deepika > Ramanujacharya Bhavarh Ratnakar > > Tantra Classics : > > Lord Work > > Punja Raja Shambu Hora Prakash > Shiav - Parvati Jyotisharnav Navneetam > Shiva - Parvati Rudrayamal Tantra > > Nadi Classics : > > Deva Keralam by R Santhanam > Suka Nadi by R Santhanam > > Classics by Scholars : > > Scholar Work > > Prithu Vyasa Hora Sara > Venktesh Shastri Sarvarth Chintamani > Vaidyanath Jatak Parijaat > Kalyan Verman Sarawali > Kalidasa Uttar Kalamritam > Hema Prabhu Suri Triloka Jyotish (Jain Classic) > Dhundhiraj JatakBharanam > Jeevanath Bhava Kautuhalam > Balbhadra Mishra Hora Ratnam > Hara Shandilya ManSagri > Ramdina Daivagya Brihad Daivagya Ranjanam > Abdurahim Khan Khana Kheta Kautukam > Ram Dayalu Sanket Nidhi > Maha Dev pathak Jatak Tatva > Ram Rathna Ojha Phalit Vikas > Mukund Vallabh Mishra ShadVarga Phal Prakash > Mukund Daivagya Bhava Manjari, Phalit Martand > K N Sarawati Jatak Chandrika > > I have deliberately not studied VarahMihira' s work, I am open for any > discussion or debate on vedic view of Navamsa or any amsa or division. > > Utkal. > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > Neelam, > > > > 1. Mantras do work, mantras are one of the basic framework of our > religion, do not pass sweeping statements letting down truth and > religion. > > > > 2. If you know instances of your life when mantras have not worked, > you should have gone for knowing the reasons why you failed to see or > fail to realize working of mantra, did you do that. > > > > I have done that in my life. > > > > What i said about using navamsa is said by parashara, kalyan verma, > dhundhiraj,mantresw ara and several others. > > > > You decide whose astrology you follow - vedic seer's, classics and > morever an astrology based on true principles and flawless logic or you > follow errorneous practise done by those people who taught you astrology > in an institution. > > However, choice is yours, with vedic approach you won't do as many > mistakes as you do with current faulty approach. > > > > Why dont you verify both the approaches on cönfirmed authentic > birth data along with biography of some natives and come up with your > findings. > > > > Till then, don't do cribbing. > > > > Thanks, > > Utkal. > > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > Maybe - Kaliyuga is special! > > > DEMOcrazy arrives, but how? We just heard about the Democratic ways > of the > > > little TEAR DROP! > > > Not to forget, the place has special blessings of Buddha! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 10:19, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga! > > > > > > > > To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to speak > up and > > > > join their voices until democracy arrives! > > > > > > > > Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was > derogatorily > > > > called -- did? > > > > > > > > Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around > this very > > > > epoch many decades ago! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and > remedies > > > > have > > > > > not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise their > voice! > > > > > Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription > properly, or > > > > the > > > > > STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-( > > > > > > > > > > What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the > man-monies! > > > > > Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow > human > > > > beings, > > > > > to save the gullible ones from such tricksters? > > > > > > > > > > Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many > other ways in > > > > > KALIYUG! > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one > recourse > > > > > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe > proxy > > > > poojas. > > > > > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " . > > > > > > > > > > > > C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@<mouji99% > > > > 40> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come > up with > > > > this > > > > > > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when you > got the > > > > > > powers > > > > > > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact > that not > > > > all > > > > > > can > > > > > > > prescribe mantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr > regions " (for > > > > > > which > > > > > > > there is no astrological reason at all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for your " so called " " mundane " > > > > predictions > > > > > > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days can > predict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda' s death > because > > > > you > > > > > > knew > > > > > > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted with > hundreds > > > > of > > > > > > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you > would be > > > > made > > > > > > to > > > > > > > eat your words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show your > worth or > > > > else > > > > > > > show your ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still wishing good for you..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ <utkal.panigrahi % > > > > 40> > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi% 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > > > > > > > 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM > > > > > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > Divisional > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still do > a self > > > > study > > > > > > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of > reading. > > > > Whenever > > > > > > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it > as it > > > > suits > > > > > > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the > methods of > > > > Dr. > > > > > > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants, > but give > > > > no > > > > > > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in > perhaps 3 > > > > years, > > > > > > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by > spending their > > > > > > > entire life on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological > principles and > > > > not > > > > > > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote > about > > > > Swami > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I can > give you > > > > > > > charts where similar placements are present but the persons > are still > > > > > > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a > finger to > > > > your > > > > > > > heart and find out the reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM > > > > > > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > Divisional > > > > Charts > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of > phalit jyotish > > > > or > > > > > > > > predictive astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions > of 3.20 > > > > > > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 > degrees, > > > > each > > > > > > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by > 12 > > > > navamsas > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi > which is > > > > > > > mesha, > > > > > > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha > rashi's first > > > > > > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do > have > > > > predictive > > > > > > > > implications internal to the that rashi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis > within > > > > the > > > > > > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is > no way > > > > > > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, > Planets cast > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a > rashi > > > > receives > > > > > > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi > receives same > > > > > > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and > make a > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put > toghather, > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those > navamsas > > > > or > > > > > > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at > the time > > > > of > > > > > > > > birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees > having a > > > > > > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for > the ease of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are not > known, > > > > but, > > > > > > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, > Our sages > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they > only talked > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > division or amsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into > existence for the > > > > > > > ease > > > > > > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore > question of > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc > emerged. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and > other > > > > divisional > > > > > > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, > take a > > > > case, > > > > > > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of > simha (Leo), > > > > and > > > > > > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, > We w'd > > > > find > > > > > > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other > in Mesha, > > > > > > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna > chart, no > > > > > > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition > based on > > > > their > > > > > > > > conjunction is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, > It's a pity > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, > rushing > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should > > > > understand > > > > > > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa > occupied > > > > by > > > > > > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, > this is the > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other > divisions and > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or > other > > > > divisions, > > > > > > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of > NAVAMSA > > > > CHART > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further > confusions > > > > in > > > > > > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd > stop > > > > taking > > > > > > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or > Iyear's > > > > > > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner > of Jyotish > > > > as > > > > > > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Dear Marg, Anna, I have Rahu in Satabhishak in my 4H and 8H from Moon. During Ve-Ra (Ve in 8H and aspected by Ra for those who take Rahu's trine aspects) my son was diagnosed with Autism, which is definitely a " difficult to diagnose/cure disorder " . So there is some truth to this.  Regards,  -Manoj  ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Sun, February 7, 2010 1:51:50 AM Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS  I think that' a good idea Anna. I have another chart with Taurus rising and Mars in tenth house Satabhisha nakshatra, and this person is also a surgeon working as a gynae. It would be interesting to know if anyone has a chart of a surgeon without this placement of Mars? - sar108 Saturday, February 06, 2010 6:08 PM Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Dear Marg, I've read something like that in books on nakshatra/maybe even Harness?/ but don't have them now /my recent moving to a new place/ I am pretty sure though that someting along that line, 'difficult to cure, diagnose' thus 'one hundred physician needed- bcs I I have rahu in Satabhishak /and it goes well with Rahu's deceptive nature/ Swati naksatra is one I find difficult to undestand fully. Marg, your idea that we share med. charts and discuss here is great! why don't we start the ON NAKSATRAS thread, so that people can share those precious experiencial subtleties, that cannot be found in any book- like one you presented- which is hard to forget easily. So dear Listers, can we unite for while for the sake of the common task? Please share your experiences, your understanding of naksatras, et Good Luck to All! Anna --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:57 AM Dear Anna I think Mars in Satabhisha indicates some surgical skill, though the rest of the chart has to be taken into consideration of course. I haven't done a comprehensive study so wouldn't know what other areas it would cover, but perhaps if others on the list have medical charts they could look up and share with us? I haven't heard of the ''difficult to diagnose ''attributed to this nakshatra, it would be good if you could tell us more? cheers margie I - sar108 Friday, February 05, 2010 10:45 PM Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg, I also wish we could keep reading simple- This example is a promising one, indeed! And Satabhishak Naks is really interesting- along with your rich experience! Would you see it covering medical profession in general, or just more invasive ones/branches/ cutting involved/?I think if Mars is in Satabhisha then likely there is some surgical skill I find 'difficult to diagnose illness' some attribute to Satabhisak N. also very intriguing. Would you please share your view> Thanks, Anna --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 4:55 PM Hello Anna The two charts were identical if I remember correctly,, other than nakshatra placements and the jyotish in India said by sheer coincidence he had a chart similar to one I was reading. Although he said that his chart belonged to the gynae, I didn't read my chart as belonging to someone with so much professional discipline, so had to decided what was making the difference in outcome. I think the first thing was the dasa runs were slightly different but not vastly, but having done lots of charts for doctors and medically minded people I did know that satabhisha was important and so queried the placement of mars, to find it was different in the two charts. My chart had Mars in Dhanishtha and certainly my client was more interested in chasing money as a financial consultant and advisor, than cutting people up! Cheers Margie - sar108 Friday, February 05, 2010 9:34 PM Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg and Utkal, Thank you for sharing. The example you gave, Marg, is a very powerful point for Naks. use. I am wondering if you've found some important /angular/ planet placement difference btw two charts as well? I have seen that in many 'relocation' charts- I know you give some importance to 'astro*ch*gr' in readings- I guess you singled out naksatras importance for theoretical reasons, only? Utkal, what you are referring to /China's aggression/? In terms of global security, recent Russia's announcement that NATO expansion is considered a threat to it's security, is /the only/ 'breaking news' I've heard of. Regards, Anna S.A.R --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:20 AM Dear Utkal, Yes it would be nice if more people shared insights and experience on jyotish techniques. I'm not sure what the Chinese aggression is? In the UK we are dealing with the former PM's aggressive war on Iraq when we are signed up to peace treaties, and he has been found to have deceived our Parliament over the reason for war, and then we have the MP's expense scandal keeping other affairs off the front pages. Of course we all await the next election so we can do something about it, so not sure what is going on in China other than Google/CIA run having a big row with the country. cheers M - utkal.panigrahi Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:59 PM Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg, It's encouraging to know from you that nakshatra's implication is being noticed, Hope ,group will regain it's lost lustre soon with scholarly people's activism. How you think about europe's perception about impact of chinese stupid agression. regards, Utkal. , " Marg " <margie9 > wrote: > > Dear Utkal > With reference to use of nakshatra > I would like to contribute a little experience I had recently where another astrologer had an identical chart to one I was reading, except natives of both charts were born in different countries. > My client had Mars in third house along with Rahu Ju and Ve in Kumbha rasi, so did the other chart of a gynaecologist born in India. > You would think my client would also be a gynaecologist due to same chart, but it was the nakshatra placement of the planets that made the essential difference to career choice, along with slight difference in dasa sequence. My client did not have Mars ( mars ruling surgeons) L5/12 in satabhisha the nakshatra for physicians, though both Venus and Jupiter were in that nakshatra, whereas the gynaecologist did have mars in satabhisha. > So it would seem that the nakshatras are a useful guide to finding additional information about how the planets will behave in rasi/real life without the need to set up an additional chart to explain their influence? > cheers > Marg > > - > utkal.panigrahi > > Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:37 PM > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > > > > > I wish to clarify that my post about Navamsa was based on study of > following jyotish classics in my possession, None of the following > classics mention divisional horoscopes or Amsha Kundali or Varga kundali > the way Janma Kundali (natal chart) is mentioned by them, this is the > reason that there is no reference Navamsa bhava, Navamsa conjunctions or > Navamsa aspects on Navamsa bhava etc, vedic jyotish only suggests to > make table of Navamsas occupied by graha (planet) in a rashi of janma > kundali or natal chart and defines predictive attributes of planets > falling in those Navamsa or Amsas or set of degrees of named divisions > of same rashi as given in janma kundali or natal chart. > > It appears that sages were doing efforts to define predictive attributes > of each degree of a nakshatra and rashi, Sage Kashyap's describes Padas > of Nakschatras and also identifies a Yogtara in the tara's of Nakshtras, > His description of Nakshatras gives can give a corrective foundation to > Krishnamurti Padhati which looks to be deviated from the vedic path and > therefore loosing predictive lustre, Sage Shukadeva seems to be first > who gave idea of Mritu Bhaga, however, His proposition is largely > different then what's given in Jatak Parijata, Phaladeepika and Prashna > Marga. > > I was asked by groups members about the base of my posting, therefore > this confirmatory post is done. > > Classics by Sages : > > Sage Work > > Lomash Lomash Samhita (700 verses) > Vasistha Vasistha Samhita > Bhrigu Bhrigu Samhita, Bhrigu Sutra > Kashyap Atharvan Jyotiosh > Parashuram Bhargav Nadika > Shukdeva Shuka Jatakm > Parashara Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra > Badrayana Prashna Vidya > > Classics by Seers : > > Seer Work > > Satyacharya Satya jatak (Druva Nadi) > Bhaskaracharya Bhava Deepika > Ramanujacharya Bhavarh Ratnakar > > Tantra Classics : > > Lord Work > > Punja Raja Shambu Hora Prakash > Shiav - Parvati Jyotisharnav Navneetam > Shiva - Parvati Rudrayamal Tantra > > Nadi Classics : > > Deva Keralam by R Santhanam > Suka Nadi by R Santhanam > > Classics by Scholars : > > Scholar Work > > Prithu Vyasa Hora Sara > Venktesh Shastri Sarvarth Chintamani > Vaidyanath Jatak Parijaat > Kalyan Verman Sarawali > Kalidasa Uttar Kalamritam > Hema Prabhu Suri Triloka Jyotish (Jain Classic) > Dhundhiraj JatakBharanam > Jeevanath Bhava Kautuhalam > Balbhadra Mishra Hora Ratnam > Hara Shandilya ManSagri > Ramdina Daivagya Brihad Daivagya Ranjanam > Abdurahim Khan Khana Kheta Kautukam > Ram Dayalu Sanket Nidhi > Maha Dev pathak Jatak Tatva > Ram Rathna Ojha Phalit Vikas > Mukund Vallabh Mishra ShadVarga Phal Prakash > Mukund Daivagya Bhava Manjari, Phalit Martand > K N Sarawati Jatak Chandrika > > I have deliberately not studied VarahMihira' s work, I am open for any > discussion or debate on vedic view of Navamsa or any amsa or division. > > Utkal. > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > Neelam, > > > > 1. Mantras do work, mantras are one of the basic framework of our > religion, do not pass sweeping statements letting down truth and > religion. > > > > 2. If you know instances of your life when mantras have not worked, > you should have gone for knowing the reasons why you failed to see or > fail to realize working of mantra, did you do that. > > > > I have done that in my life. > > > > What i said about using navamsa is said by parashara, kalyan verma, > dhundhiraj,mantresw ara and several others. > > > > You decide whose astrology you follow - vedic seer's, classics and > morever an astrology based on true principles and flawless logic or you > follow errorneous practise done by those people who taught you astrology > in an institution. > > However, choice is yours, with vedic approach you won't do as many > mistakes as you do with current faulty approach. > > > > Why dont you verify both the approaches on cönfirmed authentic > birth data along with biography of some natives and come up with your > findings. > > > > Till then, don't do cribbing. > > > > Thanks, > > Utkal. > > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > Maybe - Kaliyuga is special! > > > DEMOcrazy arrives, but how? We just heard about the Democratic ways > of the > > > little TEAR DROP! > > > Not to forget, the place has special blessings of Buddha! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 10:19, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga! > > > > > > > > To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to speak > up and > > > > join their voices until democracy arrives! > > > > > > > > Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was > derogatorily > > > > called -- did? > > > > > > > > Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around > this very > > > > epoch many decades ago! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and > remedies > > > > have > > > > > not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise their > voice! > > > > > Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription > properly, or > > > > the > > > > > STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-( > > > > > > > > > > What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the > man-monies! > > > > > Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow > human > > > > beings, > > > > > to save the gullible ones from such tricksters? > > > > > > > > > > Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many > other ways in > > > > > KALIYUG! > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one > recourse > > > > > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe > proxy > > > > poojas. > > > > > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " . > > > > > > > > > > > > C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@<mouji99% > > > > 40> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come > up with > > > > this > > > > > > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when you > got the > > > > > > powers > > > > > > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact > that not > > > > all > > > > > > can > > > > > > > prescribe mantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr > regions " (for > > > > > > which > > > > > > > there is no astrological reason at all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for your " so called " " mundane " > > > > predictions > > > > > > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days can > predict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda' s death > because > > > > you > > > > > > knew > > > > > > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted with > hundreds > > > > of > > > > > > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you > would be > > > > made > > > > > > to > > > > > > > eat your words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show your > worth or > > > > else > > > > > > > show your ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still wishing good for you..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ <utkal.panigrahi % > > > > 40> > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi% 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > > > > > > > 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM > > > > > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > Divisional > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still do > a self > > > > study > > > > > > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of > reading. > > > > Whenever > > > > > > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it > as it > > > > suits > > > > > > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the > methods of > > > > Dr. > > > > > > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants, > but give > > > > no > > > > > > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in > perhaps 3 > > > > years, > > > > > > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by > spending their > > > > > > > entire life on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological > principles and > > > > not > > > > > > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote > about > > > > Swami > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I can > give you > > > > > > > charts where similar placements are present but the persons > are still > > > > > > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a > finger to > > > > your > > > > > > > heart and find out the reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM > > > > > > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > Divisional > > > > Charts > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of > phalit jyotish > > > > or > > > > > > > > predictive astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions > of 3.20 > > > > > > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 > degrees, > > > > each > > > > > > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by > 12 > > > > navamsas > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi > which is > > > > > > > mesha, > > > > > > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha > rashi's first > > > > > > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do > have > > > > predictive > > > > > > > > implications internal to the that rashi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis > within > > > > the > > > > > > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is > no way > > > > > > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, > Planets cast > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a > rashi > > > > receives > > > > > > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi > receives same > > > > > > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and > make a > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put > toghather, > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those > navamsas > > > > or > > > > > > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at > the time > > > > of > > > > > > > > birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees > having a > > > > > > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for > the ease of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are not > known, > > > > but, > > > > > > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, > Our sages > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they > only talked > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > division or amsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into > existence for the > > > > > > > ease > > > > > > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore > question of > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc > emerged. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and > other > > > > divisional > > > > > > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, > take a > > > > case, > > > > > > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of > simha (Leo), > > > > and > > > > > > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, > We w'd > > > > find > > > > > > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other > in Mesha, > > > > > > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna > chart, no > > > > > > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition > based on > > > > their > > > > > > > > conjunction is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, > It's a pity > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, > rushing > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should > > > > understand > > > > > > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa > occupied > > > > by > > > > > > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, > this is the > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other > divisions and > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or > other > > > > divisions, > > > > > > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of > NAVAMSA > > > > CHART > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further > confusions > > > > in > > > > > > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd > stop > > > > taking > > > > > > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or > Iyear's > > > > > > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner > of Jyotish > > > > as > > > > > > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Dear Marg,  I have one surgent /urologist/ with Mars in Swati- /unknown TOB/ and one psychiatrist with Mars in Swati, and one psychologist with Mars in Swati /TOB known- Mars is related to 8th H/ Regards, Anna  --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Marg <margie9 wrote: Marg <margie9 Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Received: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 3:51 AM  I think that' a good idea Anna. I have another chart with Taurus rising and Mars in tenth house Satabhisha nakshatra, and this person is also a surgeon working as a gynae. It would be interesting to know if anyone has a chart of a surgeon without this placement of Mars? - sar108 Saturday, February 06, 2010 6:08 PM Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Dear Marg, I've read something like that in books on nakshatra/maybe even Harness?/ but don't have them now /my recent moving to a new place/ I am pretty sure though that someting along that line, 'difficult to cure, diagnose' thus 'one hundred physician needed- bcs I I have rahu in Satabhishak /and it goes well with Rahu's deceptive nature/ Swati naksatra is one I find difficult to undestand fully. Marg, your idea that we share med. charts and discuss here is great! why don't we start the ON NAKSATRAS thread, so that people can share those precious experiencial subtleties, that cannot be found in any book- like one you presented- which is hard to forget easily. So dear Listers, can we unite for while for the sake of the common task? Please share your experiences, your understanding of naksatras, et Good Luck to All! Anna --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:57 AM Dear Anna I think Mars in Satabhisha indicates some surgical skill, though the rest of the chart has to be taken into consideration of course. I haven't done a comprehensive study so wouldn't know what other areas it would cover, but perhaps if others on the list have medical charts they could look up and share with us? I haven't heard of the ''difficult to diagnose ''attributed to this nakshatra, it would be good if you could tell us more? cheers margie I - sar108 Friday, February 05, 2010 10:45 PM Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg, I also wish we could keep reading simple- This example is a promising one, indeed! And Satabhishak Naks is really interesting- along with your rich experience! Would you see it covering medical profession in general, or just more invasive ones/branches/ cutting involved/?I think if Mars is in Satabhisha then likely there is some surgical skill I find 'difficult to diagnose illness' some attribute to Satabhisak N. also very intriguing. Would you please share your view> Thanks, Anna --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 4:55 PM Hello Anna The two charts were identical if I remember correctly,, other than nakshatra placements and the jyotish in India said by sheer coincidence he had a chart similar to one I was reading. Although he said that his chart belonged to the gynae, I didn't read my chart as belonging to someone with so much professional discipline, so had to decided what was making the difference in outcome. I think the first thing was the dasa runs were slightly different but not vastly, but having done lots of charts for doctors and medically minded people I did know that satabhisha was important and so queried the placement of mars, to find it was different in the two charts. My chart had Mars in Dhanishtha and certainly my client was more interested in chasing money as a financial consultant and advisor, than cutting people up! Cheers Margie - sar108 Friday, February 05, 2010 9:34 PM Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg and Utkal, Thank you for sharing. The example you gave, Marg, is a very powerful point for Naks. use. I am wondering if you've found some important /angular/ planet placement difference btw two charts as well? I have seen that in many 'relocation' charts- I know you give some importance to 'astro*ch*gr' in readings- I guess you singled out naksatras importance for theoretical reasons, only? Utkal, what you are referring to /China's aggression/? In terms of global security, recent Russia's announcement that NATO expansion is considered a threat to it's security, is /the only/ 'breaking news' I've heard of. Regards, Anna S.A.R --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:20 AM Dear Utkal, Yes it would be nice if more people shared insights and experience on jyotish techniques. I'm not sure what the Chinese aggression is? In the UK we are dealing with the former PM's aggressive war on Iraq when we are signed up to peace treaties, and he has been found to have deceived our Parliament over the reason for war, and then we have the MP's expense scandal keeping other affairs off the front pages. Of course we all await the next election so we can do something about it, so not sure what is going on in China other than Google/CIA run having a big row with the country. cheers M - utkal.panigrahi Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:59 PM Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg, It's encouraging to know from you that nakshatra's implication is being noticed, Hope ,group will regain it's lost lustre soon with scholarly people's activism. How you think about europe's perception about impact of chinese stupid agression. regards, Utkal. , " Marg " <margie9 > wrote: > > Dear Utkal > With reference to use of nakshatra > I would like to contribute a little experience I had recently where another astrologer had an identical chart to one I was reading, except natives of both charts were born in different countries. > My client had Mars in third house along with Rahu Ju and Ve in Kumbha rasi, so did the other chart of a gynaecologist born in India. > You would think my client would also be a gynaecologist due to same chart, but it was the nakshatra placement of the planets that made the essential difference to career choice, along with slight difference in dasa sequence. My client did not have Mars ( mars ruling surgeons) L5/12 in satabhisha the nakshatra for physicians, though both Venus and Jupiter were in that nakshatra, whereas the gynaecologist did have mars in satabhisha. > So it would seem that the nakshatras are a useful guide to finding additional information about how the planets will behave in rasi/real life without the need to set up an additional chart to explain their influence? > cheers > Marg > > - > utkal.panigrahi > > Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:37 PM > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > > > > > I wish to clarify that my post about Navamsa was based on study of > following jyotish classics in my possession, None of the following > classics mention divisional horoscopes or Amsha Kundali or Varga kundali > the way Janma Kundali (natal chart) is mentioned by them, this is the > reason that there is no reference Navamsa bhava, Navamsa conjunctions or > Navamsa aspects on Navamsa bhava etc, vedic jyotish only suggests to > make table of Navamsas occupied by graha (planet) in a rashi of janma > kundali or natal chart and defines predictive attributes of planets > falling in those Navamsa or Amsas or set of degrees of named divisions > of same rashi as given in janma kundali or natal chart. > > It appears that sages were doing efforts to define predictive attributes > of each degree of a nakshatra and rashi, Sage Kashyap's describes Padas > of Nakschatras and also identifies a Yogtara in the tara's of Nakshtras, > His description of Nakshatras gives can give a corrective foundation to > Krishnamurti Padhati which looks to be deviated from the vedic path and > therefore loosing predictive lustre, Sage Shukadeva seems to be first > who gave idea of Mritu Bhaga, however, His proposition is largely > different then what's given in Jatak Parijata, Phaladeepika and Prashna > Marga. > > I was asked by groups members about the base of my posting, therefore > this confirmatory post is done. > > Classics by Sages : > > Sage Work > > Lomash Lomash Samhita (700 verses) > Vasistha Vasistha Samhita > Bhrigu Bhrigu Samhita, Bhrigu Sutra > Kashyap Atharvan Jyotiosh > Parashuram Bhargav Nadika > Shukdeva Shuka Jatakm > Parashara Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra > Badrayana Prashna Vidya > > Classics by Seers : > > Seer Work > > Satyacharya Satya jatak (Druva Nadi) > Bhaskaracharya Bhava Deepika > Ramanujacharya Bhavarh Ratnakar > > Tantra Classics : > > Lord Work > > Punja Raja Shambu Hora Prakash > Shiav - Parvati Jyotisharnav Navneetam > Shiva - Parvati Rudrayamal Tantra > > Nadi Classics : > > Deva Keralam by R Santhanam > Suka Nadi by R Santhanam > > Classics by Scholars : > > Scholar Work > > Prithu Vyasa Hora Sara > Venktesh Shastri Sarvarth Chintamani > Vaidyanath Jatak Parijaat > Kalyan Verman Sarawali > Kalidasa Uttar Kalamritam > Hema Prabhu Suri Triloka Jyotish (Jain Classic) > Dhundhiraj JatakBharanam > Jeevanath Bhava Kautuhalam > Balbhadra Mishra Hora Ratnam > Hara Shandilya ManSagri > Ramdina Daivagya Brihad Daivagya Ranjanam > Abdurahim Khan Khana Kheta Kautukam > Ram Dayalu Sanket Nidhi > Maha Dev pathak Jatak Tatva > Ram Rathna Ojha Phalit Vikas > Mukund Vallabh Mishra ShadVarga Phal Prakash > Mukund Daivagya Bhava Manjari, Phalit Martand > K N Sarawati Jatak Chandrika > > I have deliberately not studied VarahMihira' s work, I am open for any > discussion or debate on vedic view of Navamsa or any amsa or division. > > Utkal. > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > Neelam, > > > > 1. Mantras do work, mantras are one of the basic framework of our > religion, do not pass sweeping statements letting down truth and > religion. > > > > 2. If you know instances of your life when mantras have not worked, > you should have gone for knowing the reasons why you failed to see or > fail to realize working of mantra, did you do that. > > > > I have done that in my life. > > > > What i said about using navamsa is said by parashara, kalyan verma, > dhundhiraj,mantresw ara and several others. > > > > You decide whose astrology you follow - vedic seer's, classics and > morever an astrology based on true principles and flawless logic or you > follow errorneous practise done by those people who taught you astrology > in an institution. > > However, choice is yours, with vedic approach you won't do as many > mistakes as you do with current faulty approach. > > > > Why dont you verify both the approaches on cönfirmed authentic > birth data along with biography of some natives and come up with your > findings. > > > > Till then, don't do cribbing. > > > > Thanks, > > Utkal. > > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > Maybe - Kaliyuga is special! > > > DEMOcrazy arrives, but how? We just heard about the Democratic ways > of the > > > little TEAR DROP! > > > Not to forget, the place has special blessings of Buddha! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 10:19, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga! > > > > > > > > To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to speak > up and > > > > join their voices until democracy arrives! > > > > > > > > Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was > derogatorily > > > > called -- did? > > > > > > > > Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around > this very > > > > epoch many decades ago! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and > remedies > > > > have > > > > > not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise their > voice! > > > > > Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription > properly, or > > > > the > > > > > STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-( > > > > > > > > > > What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the > man-monies! > > > > > Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow > human > > > > beings, > > > > > to save the gullible ones from such tricksters? > > > > > > > > > > Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many > other ways in > > > > > KALIYUG! > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one > recourse > > > > > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe > proxy > > > > poojas. > > > > > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " . > > > > > > > > > > > > C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@<mouji99% > > > > 40> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come > up with > > > > this > > > > > > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when you > got the > > > > > > powers > > > > > > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact > that not > > > > all > > > > > > can > > > > > > > prescribe mantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr > regions " (for > > > > > > which > > > > > > > there is no astrological reason at all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for your " so called " " mundane " > > > > predictions > > > > > > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days can > predict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda' s death > because > > > > you > > > > > > knew > > > > > > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted with > hundreds > > > > of > > > > > > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you > would be > > > > made > > > > > > to > > > > > > > eat your words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show your > worth or > > > > else > > > > > > > show your ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still wishing good for you..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ <utkal.panigrahi % > > > > 40> > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi% 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > > > > > > > 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM > > > > > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > Divisional > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still do > a self > > > > study > > > > > > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of > reading. > > > > Whenever > > > > > > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it > as it > > > > suits > > > > > > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the > methods of > > > > Dr. > > > > > > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants, > but give > > > > no > > > > > > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in > perhaps 3 > > > > years, > > > > > > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by > spending their > > > > > > > entire life on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological > principles and > > > > not > > > > > > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote > about > > > > Swami > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I can > give you > > > > > > > charts where similar placements are present but the persons > are still > > > > > > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a > finger to > > > > your > > > > > > > heart and find out the reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM > > > > > > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > Divisional > > > > Charts > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of > phalit jyotish > > > > or > > > > > > > > predictive astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions > of 3.20 > > > > > > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 > degrees, > > > > each > > > > > > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by > 12 > > > > navamsas > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi > which is > > > > > > > mesha, > > > > > > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha > rashi's first > > > > > > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do > have > > > > predictive > > > > > > > > implications internal to the that rashi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis > within > > > > the > > > > > > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is > no way > > > > > > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, > Planets cast > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a > rashi > > > > receives > > > > > > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi > receives same > > > > > > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and > make a > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put > toghather, > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those > navamsas > > > > or > > > > > > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at > the time > > > > of > > > > > > > > birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees > having a > > > > > > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for > the ease of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are not > known, > > > > but, > > > > > > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, > Our sages > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they > only talked > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > division or amsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into > existence for the > > > > > > > ease > > > > > > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore > question of > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc > emerged. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and > other > > > > divisional > > > > > > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, > take a > > > > case, > > > > > > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of > simha (Leo), > > > > and > > > > > > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, > We w'd > > > > find > > > > > > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other > in Mesha, > > > > > > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna > chart, no > > > > > > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition > based on > > > > their > > > > > > > > conjunction is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, > It's a pity > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, > rushing > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should > > > > understand > > > > > > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa > occupied > > > > by > > > > > > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, > this is the > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other > divisions and > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or > other > > > > divisions, > > > > > > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of > NAVAMSA > > > > CHART > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further > confusions > > > > in > > > > > > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd > stop > > > > taking > > > > > > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or > Iyear's > > > > > > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner > of Jyotish > > > > as > > > > > > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Dear Anna I have another with Mars in Satabhisha 10 H, a lady who was a dentists nurse and assistant Ava Gardner (remember her?) also has Mars in Satabhisha 8H, same as Steve McQueen and Tina Turner.......... cheers M - sar108 Sunday, February 07, 2010 4:46 PM Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Dear Marg, I have one surgent /urologist/ with Mars in Swati- /unknown TOB/ and one psychiatrist with Mars in Swati, and one psychologist with Mars in Swati /TOB known- Mars is related to 8th H/ Regards, Anna --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Marg <margie9 wrote: Marg <margie9 Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Received: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 3:51 AM I think that' a good idea Anna. I have another chart with Taurus rising and Mars in tenth house Satabhisha nakshatra, and this person is also a surgeon working as a gynae. It would be interesting to know if anyone has a chart of a surgeon without this placement of Mars? - sar108 Saturday, February 06, 2010 6:08 PM Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Dear Marg, I've read something like that in books on nakshatra/maybe even Harness?/ but don't have them now /my recent moving to a new place/ I am pretty sure though that someting along that line, 'difficult to cure, diagnose' thus 'one hundred physician needed- bcs I I have rahu in Satabhishak /and it goes well with Rahu's deceptive nature/ Swati naksatra is one I find difficult to undestand fully. Marg, your idea that we share med. charts and discuss here is great! why don't we start the ON NAKSATRAS thread, so that people can share those precious experiencial subtleties, that cannot be found in any book- like one you presented- which is hard to forget easily. So dear Listers, can we unite for while for the sake of the common task? Please share your experiences, your understanding of naksatras, et Good Luck to All! Anna --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:57 AM Dear Anna I think Mars in Satabhisha indicates some surgical skill, though the rest of the chart has to be taken into consideration of course. I haven't done a comprehensive study so wouldn't know what other areas it would cover, but perhaps if others on the list have medical charts they could look up and share with us? I haven't heard of the ''difficult to diagnose ''attributed to this nakshatra, it would be good if you could tell us more? cheers margie I - sar108 Friday, February 05, 2010 10:45 PM Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg, I also wish we could keep reading simple- This example is a promising one, indeed! And Satabhishak Naks is really interesting- along with your rich experience! Would you see it covering medical profession in general, or just more invasive ones/branches/ cutting involved/?I think if Mars is in Satabhisha then likely there is some surgical skill I find 'difficult to diagnose illness' some attribute to Satabhisak N. also very intriguing. Would you please share your view> Thanks, Anna --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 4:55 PM Hello Anna The two charts were identical if I remember correctly,, other than nakshatra placements and the jyotish in India said by sheer coincidence he had a chart similar to one I was reading. Although he said that his chart belonged to the gynae, I didn't read my chart as belonging to someone with so much professional discipline, so had to decided what was making the difference in outcome. I think the first thing was the dasa runs were slightly different but not vastly, but having done lots of charts for doctors and medically minded people I did know that satabhisha was important and so queried the placement of mars, to find it was different in the two charts. My chart had Mars in Dhanishtha and certainly my client was more interested in chasing money as a financial consultant and advisor, than cutting people up! Cheers Margie - sar108 Friday, February 05, 2010 9:34 PM Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg and Utkal, Thank you for sharing. The example you gave, Marg, is a very powerful point for Naks. use. I am wondering if you've found some important /angular/ planet placement difference btw two charts as well? I have seen that in many 'relocation' charts- I know you give some importance to 'astro*ch*gr' in readings- I guess you singled out naksatras importance for theoretical reasons, only? Utkal, what you are referring to /China's aggression/? In terms of global security, recent Russia's announcement that NATO expansion is considered a threat to it's security, is /the only/ 'breaking news' I've heard of. Regards, Anna S.A.R --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:20 AM Dear Utkal, Yes it would be nice if more people shared insights and experience on jyotish techniques. I'm not sure what the Chinese aggression is? In the UK we are dealing with the former PM's aggressive war on Iraq when we are signed up to peace treaties, and he has been found to have deceived our Parliament over the reason for war, and then we have the MP's expense scandal keeping other affairs off the front pages. Of course we all await the next election so we can do something about it, so not sure what is going on in China other than Google/CIA run having a big row with the country. cheers M - utkal.panigrahi Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:59 PM Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg, It's encouraging to know from you that nakshatra's implication is being noticed, Hope ,group will regain it's lost lustre soon with scholarly people's activism. How you think about europe's perception about impact of chinese stupid agression. regards, Utkal. , " Marg " <margie9 > wrote: > > Dear Utkal > With reference to use of nakshatra > I would like to contribute a little experience I had recently where another astrologer had an identical chart to one I was reading, except natives of both charts were born in different countries. > My client had Mars in third house along with Rahu Ju and Ve in Kumbha rasi, so did the other chart of a gynaecologist born in India. > You would think my client would also be a gynaecologist due to same chart, but it was the nakshatra placement of the planets that made the essential difference to career choice, along with slight difference in dasa sequence. My client did not have Mars ( mars ruling surgeons) L5/12 in satabhisha the nakshatra for physicians, though both Venus and Jupiter were in that nakshatra, whereas the gynaecologist did have mars in satabhisha. > So it would seem that the nakshatras are a useful guide to finding additional information about how the planets will behave in rasi/real life without the need to set up an additional chart to explain their influence? > cheers > Marg > > - > utkal.panigrahi > > Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:37 PM > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > > > > > I wish to clarify that my post about Navamsa was based on study of > following jyotish classics in my possession, None of the following > classics mention divisional horoscopes or Amsha Kundali or Varga kundali > the way Janma Kundali (natal chart) is mentioned by them, this is the > reason that there is no reference Navamsa bhava, Navamsa conjunctions or > Navamsa aspects on Navamsa bhava etc, vedic jyotish only suggests to > make table of Navamsas occupied by graha (planet) in a rashi of janma > kundali or natal chart and defines predictive attributes of planets > falling in those Navamsa or Amsas or set of degrees of named divisions > of same rashi as given in janma kundali or natal chart. > > It appears that sages were doing efforts to define predictive attributes > of each degree of a nakshatra and rashi, Sage Kashyap's describes Padas > of Nakschatras and also identifies a Yogtara in the tara's of Nakshtras, > His description of Nakshatras gives can give a corrective foundation to > Krishnamurti Padhati which looks to be deviated from the vedic path and > therefore loosing predictive lustre, Sage Shukadeva seems to be first > who gave idea of Mritu Bhaga, however, His proposition is largely > different then what's given in Jatak Parijata, Phaladeepika and Prashna > Marga. > > I was asked by groups members about the base of my posting, therefore > this confirmatory post is done. > > Classics by Sages : > > Sage Work > > Lomash Lomash Samhita (700 verses) > Vasistha Vasistha Samhita > Bhrigu Bhrigu Samhita, Bhrigu Sutra > Kashyap Atharvan Jyotiosh > Parashuram Bhargav Nadika > Shukdeva Shuka Jatakm > Parashara Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra > Badrayana Prashna Vidya > > Classics by Seers : > > Seer Work > > Satyacharya Satya jatak (Druva Nadi) > Bhaskaracharya Bhava Deepika > Ramanujacharya Bhavarh Ratnakar > > Tantra Classics : > > Lord Work > > Punja Raja Shambu Hora Prakash > Shiav - Parvati Jyotisharnav Navneetam > Shiva - Parvati Rudrayamal Tantra > > Nadi Classics : > > Deva Keralam by R Santhanam > Suka Nadi by R Santhanam > > Classics by Scholars : > > Scholar Work > > Prithu Vyasa Hora Sara > Venktesh Shastri Sarvarth Chintamani > Vaidyanath Jatak Parijaat > Kalyan Verman Sarawali > Kalidasa Uttar Kalamritam > Hema Prabhu Suri Triloka Jyotish (Jain Classic) > Dhundhiraj JatakBharanam > Jeevanath Bhava Kautuhalam > Balbhadra Mishra Hora Ratnam > Hara Shandilya ManSagri > Ramdina Daivagya Brihad Daivagya Ranjanam > Abdurahim Khan Khana Kheta Kautukam > Ram Dayalu Sanket Nidhi > Maha Dev pathak Jatak Tatva > Ram Rathna Ojha Phalit Vikas > Mukund Vallabh Mishra ShadVarga Phal Prakash > Mukund Daivagya Bhava Manjari, Phalit Martand > K N Sarawati Jatak Chandrika > > I have deliberately not studied VarahMihira' s work, I am open for any > discussion or debate on vedic view of Navamsa or any amsa or division. > > Utkal. > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > Neelam, > > > > 1. Mantras do work, mantras are one of the basic framework of our > religion, do not pass sweeping statements letting down truth and > religion. > > > > 2. If you know instances of your life when mantras have not worked, > you should have gone for knowing the reasons why you failed to see or > fail to realize working of mantra, did you do that. > > > > I have done that in my life. > > > > What i said about using navamsa is said by parashara, kalyan verma, > dhundhiraj,mantresw ara and several others. > > > > You decide whose astrology you follow - vedic seer's, classics and > morever an astrology based on true principles and flawless logic or you > follow errorneous practise done by those people who taught you astrology > in an institution. > > However, choice is yours, with vedic approach you won't do as many > mistakes as you do with current faulty approach. > > > > Why dont you verify both the approaches on cönfirmed authentic > birth data along with biography of some natives and come up with your > findings. > > > > Till then, don't do cribbing. > > > > Thanks, > > Utkal. > > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > Maybe - Kaliyuga is special! > > > DEMOcrazy arrives, but how? We just heard about the Democratic ways > of the > > > little TEAR DROP! > > > Not to forget, the place has special blessings of Buddha! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 10:19, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga! > > > > > > > > To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to speak > up and > > > > join their voices until democracy arrives! > > > > > > > > Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was > derogatorily > > > > called -- did? > > > > > > > > Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around > this very > > > > epoch many decades ago! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and > remedies > > > > have > > > > > not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise their > voice! > > > > > Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription > properly, or > > > > the > > > > > STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-( > > > > > > > > > > What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the > man-monies! > > > > > Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow > human > > > > beings, > > > > > to save the gullible ones from such tricksters? > > > > > > > > > > Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many > other ways in > > > > > KALIYUG! > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one > recourse > > > > > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe > proxy > > > > poojas. > > > > > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " . > > > > > > > > > > > > C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@<mouji99% > > > > 40> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come > up with > > > > this > > > > > > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when you > got the > > > > > > powers > > > > > > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact > that not > > > > all > > > > > > can > > > > > > > prescribe mantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr > regions " (for > > > > > > which > > > > > > > there is no astrological reason at all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for your " so called " " mundane " > > > > predictions > > > > > > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days can > predict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda' s death > because > > > > you > > > > > > knew > > > > > > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted with > hundreds > > > > of > > > > > > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you > would be > > > > made > > > > > > to > > > > > > > eat your words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show your > worth or > > > > else > > > > > > > show your ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still wishing good for you..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ <utkal.panigrahi % > > > > 40> > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi% 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > > > > > > > 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM > > > > > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > Divisional > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still do > a self > > > > study > > > > > > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of > reading. > > > > Whenever > > > > > > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it > as it > > > > suits > > > > > > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the > methods of > > > > Dr. > > > > > > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants, > but give > > > > no > > > > > > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in > perhaps 3 > > > > years, > > > > > > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by > spending their > > > > > > > entire life on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological > principles and > > > > not > > > > > > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote > about > > > > Swami > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I can > give you > > > > > > > charts where similar placements are present but the persons > are still > > > > > > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a > finger to > > > > your > > > > > > > heart and find out the reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM > > > > > > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > Divisional > > > > Charts > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of > phalit jyotish > > > > or > > > > > > > > predictive astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions > of 3.20 > > > > > > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 > degrees, > > > > each > > > > > > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by > 12 > > > > navamsas > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi > which is > > > > > > > mesha, > > > > > > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha > rashi's first > > > > > > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do > have > > > > predictive > > > > > > > > implications internal to the that rashi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis > within > > > > the > > > > > > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is > no way > > > > > > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, > Planets cast > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a > rashi > > > > receives > > > > > > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi > receives same > > > > > > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and > make a > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put > toghather, > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those > navamsas > > > > or > > > > > > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at > the time > > > > of > > > > > > > > birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees > having a > > > > > > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for > the ease of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are not > known, > > > > but, > > > > > > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, > Our sages > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they > only talked > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > division or amsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into > existence for the > > > > > > > ease > > > > > > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore > question of > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc > emerged. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and > other > > > > divisional > > > > > > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, > take a > > > > case, > > > > > > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of > simha (Leo), > > > > and > > > > > > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, > We w'd > > > > find > > > > > > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other > in Mesha, > > > > > > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna > chart, no > > > > > > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition > based on > > > > their > > > > > > > > conjunction is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, > It's a pity > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, > rushing > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should > > > > understand > > > > > > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa > occupied > > > > by > > > > > > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, > this is the > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other > divisions and > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or > other > > > > divisions, > > > > > > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of > NAVAMSA > > > > CHART > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further > confusions > > > > in > > > > > > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd > stop > > > > taking > > > > > > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or > Iyear's > > > > > > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner > of Jyotish > > > > as > > > > > > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Dear Marg, Yes I remeber Ava G. Does Mars in 8th contribute to the sex-appeal of these stars?  /btw. I  haven't seen  12th involved in the matter, yet/ Anna  --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Marg <margie9 wrote: Marg <margie9 Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Received: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 4:10 PM  Dear Anna I have another with Mars in Satabhisha 10 H, a lady who was a dentists nurse and assistant Ava Gardner (remember her?) also has Mars in Satabhisha 8H, same as Steve McQueen and Tina Turner...... .... cheers M - sar108 Sunday, February 07, 2010 4:46 PM Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Dear Marg, I have one surgent /urologist/ with Mars in Swati- /unknown TOB/ and one psychiatrist with Mars in Swati, and one psychologist with Mars in Swati /TOB known- Mars is related to 8th H/ Regards, Anna --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Received: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 3:51 AM I think that' a good idea Anna. I have another chart with Taurus rising and Mars in tenth house Satabhisha nakshatra, and this person is also a surgeon working as a gynae. It would be interesting to know if anyone has a chart of a surgeon without this placement of Mars? - sar108 Saturday, February 06, 2010 6:08 PM Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Dear Marg, I've read something like that in books on nakshatra/maybe even Harness?/ but don't have them now /my recent moving to a new place/ I am pretty sure though that someting along that line, 'difficult to cure, diagnose' thus 'one hundred physician needed- bcs I I have rahu in Satabhishak /and it goes well with Rahu's deceptive nature/ Swati naksatra is one I find difficult to undestand fully. Marg, your idea that we share med. charts and discuss here is great! why don't we start the ON NAKSATRAS thread, so that people can share those precious experiencial subtleties, that cannot be found in any book- like one you presented- which is hard to forget easily. So dear Listers, can we unite for while for the sake of the common task? Please share your experiences, your understanding of naksatras, et Good Luck to All! Anna --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:57 AM Dear Anna I think Mars in Satabhisha indicates some surgical skill, though the rest of the chart has to be taken into consideration of course. I haven't done a comprehensive study so wouldn't know what other areas it would cover, but perhaps if others on the list have medical charts they could look up and share with us? I haven't heard of the ''difficult to diagnose ''attributed to this nakshatra, it would be good if you could tell us more? cheers margie I - sar108 Friday, February 05, 2010 10:45 PM Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg, I also wish we could keep reading simple- This example is a promising one, indeed! And Satabhishak Naks is really interesting- along with your rich experience! Would you see it covering medical profession in general, or just more invasive ones/branches/ cutting involved/?I think if Mars is in Satabhisha then likely there is some surgical skill I find 'difficult to diagnose illness' some attribute to Satabhisak N. also very intriguing. Would you please share your view> Thanks, Anna --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 4:55 PM Hello Anna The two charts were identical if I remember correctly,, other than nakshatra placements and the jyotish in India said by sheer coincidence he had a chart similar to one I was reading. Although he said that his chart belonged to the gynae, I didn't read my chart as belonging to someone with so much professional discipline, so had to decided what was making the difference in outcome. I think the first thing was the dasa runs were slightly different but not vastly, but having done lots of charts for doctors and medically minded people I did know that satabhisha was important and so queried the placement of mars, to find it was different in the two charts. My chart had Mars in Dhanishtha and certainly my client was more interested in chasing money as a financial consultant and advisor, than cutting people up! Cheers Margie - sar108 Friday, February 05, 2010 9:34 PM Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg and Utkal, Thank you for sharing. The example you gave, Marg, is a very powerful point for Naks. use. I am wondering if you've found some important /angular/ planet placement difference btw two charts as well? I have seen that in many 'relocation' charts- I know you give some importance to 'astro*ch*gr' in readings- I guess you singled out naksatras importance for theoretical reasons, only? Utkal, what you are referring to /China's aggression/? In terms of global security, recent Russia's announcement that NATO expansion is considered a threat to it's security, is /the only/ 'breaking news' I've heard of. Regards, Anna S.A.R --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:20 AM Dear Utkal, Yes it would be nice if more people shared insights and experience on jyotish techniques. I'm not sure what the Chinese aggression is? In the UK we are dealing with the former PM's aggressive war on Iraq when we are signed up to peace treaties, and he has been found to have deceived our Parliament over the reason for war, and then we have the MP's expense scandal keeping other affairs off the front pages. Of course we all await the next election so we can do something about it, so not sure what is going on in China other than Google/CIA run having a big row with the country. cheers M - utkal.panigrahi Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:59 PM Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg, It's encouraging to know from you that nakshatra's implication is being noticed, Hope ,group will regain it's lost lustre soon with scholarly people's activism. How you think about europe's perception about impact of chinese stupid agression. regards, Utkal. , " Marg " <margie9 > wrote: > > Dear Utkal > With reference to use of nakshatra > I would like to contribute a little experience I had recently where another astrologer had an identical chart to one I was reading, except natives of both charts were born in different countries. > My client had Mars in third house along with Rahu Ju and Ve in Kumbha rasi, so did the other chart of a gynaecologist born in India. > You would think my client would also be a gynaecologist due to same chart, but it was the nakshatra placement of the planets that made the essential difference to career choice, along with slight difference in dasa sequence. My client did not have Mars ( mars ruling surgeons) L5/12 in satabhisha the nakshatra for physicians, though both Venus and Jupiter were in that nakshatra, whereas the gynaecologist did have mars in satabhisha. > So it would seem that the nakshatras are a useful guide to finding additional information about how the planets will behave in rasi/real life without the need to set up an additional chart to explain their influence? > cheers > Marg > > - > utkal.panigrahi > > Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:37 PM > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > > > > > I wish to clarify that my post about Navamsa was based on study of > following jyotish classics in my possession, None of the following > classics mention divisional horoscopes or Amsha Kundali or Varga kundali > the way Janma Kundali (natal chart) is mentioned by them, this is the > reason that there is no reference Navamsa bhava, Navamsa conjunctions or > Navamsa aspects on Navamsa bhava etc, vedic jyotish only suggests to > make table of Navamsas occupied by graha (planet) in a rashi of janma > kundali or natal chart and defines predictive attributes of planets > falling in those Navamsa or Amsas or set of degrees of named divisions > of same rashi as given in janma kundali or natal chart. > > It appears that sages were doing efforts to define predictive attributes > of each degree of a nakshatra and rashi, Sage Kashyap's describes Padas > of Nakschatras and also identifies a Yogtara in the tara's of Nakshtras, > His description of Nakshatras gives can give a corrective foundation to > Krishnamurti Padhati which looks to be deviated from the vedic path and > therefore loosing predictive lustre, Sage Shukadeva seems to be first > who gave idea of Mritu Bhaga, however, His proposition is largely > different then what's given in Jatak Parijata, Phaladeepika and Prashna > Marga. > > I was asked by groups members about the base of my posting, therefore > this confirmatory post is done. > > Classics by Sages : > > Sage Work > > Lomash Lomash Samhita (700 verses) > Vasistha Vasistha Samhita > Bhrigu Bhrigu Samhita, Bhrigu Sutra > Kashyap Atharvan Jyotiosh > Parashuram Bhargav Nadika > Shukdeva Shuka Jatakm > Parashara Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra > Badrayana Prashna Vidya > > Classics by Seers : > > Seer Work > > Satyacharya Satya jatak (Druva Nadi) > Bhaskaracharya Bhava Deepika > Ramanujacharya Bhavarh Ratnakar > > Tantra Classics : > > Lord Work > > Punja Raja Shambu Hora Prakash > Shiav - Parvati Jyotisharnav Navneetam > Shiva - Parvati Rudrayamal Tantra > > Nadi Classics : > > Deva Keralam by R Santhanam > Suka Nadi by R Santhanam > > Classics by Scholars : > > Scholar Work > > Prithu Vyasa Hora Sara > Venktesh Shastri Sarvarth Chintamani > Vaidyanath Jatak Parijaat > Kalyan Verman Sarawali > Kalidasa Uttar Kalamritam > Hema Prabhu Suri Triloka Jyotish (Jain Classic) > Dhundhiraj JatakBharanam > Jeevanath Bhava Kautuhalam > Balbhadra Mishra Hora Ratnam > Hara Shandilya ManSagri > Ramdina Daivagya Brihad Daivagya Ranjanam > Abdurahim Khan Khana Kheta Kautukam > Ram Dayalu Sanket Nidhi > Maha Dev pathak Jatak Tatva > Ram Rathna Ojha Phalit Vikas > Mukund Vallabh Mishra ShadVarga Phal Prakash > Mukund Daivagya Bhava Manjari, Phalit Martand > K N Sarawati Jatak Chandrika > > I have deliberately not studied VarahMihira' s work, I am open for any > discussion or debate on vedic view of Navamsa or any amsa or division. > > Utkal. > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > Neelam, > > > > 1. Mantras do work, mantras are one of the basic framework of our > religion, do not pass sweeping statements letting down truth and > religion. > > > > 2. If you know instances of your life when mantras have not worked, > you should have gone for knowing the reasons why you failed to see or > fail to realize working of mantra, did you do that. > > > > I have done that in my life. > > > > What i said about using navamsa is said by parashara, kalyan verma, > dhundhiraj,mantresw ara and several others. > > > > You decide whose astrology you follow - vedic seer's, classics and > morever an astrology based on true principles and flawless logic or you > follow errorneous practise done by those people who taught you astrology > in an institution. > > However, choice is yours, with vedic approach you won't do as many > mistakes as you do with current faulty approach. > > > > Why dont you verify both the approaches on cönfirmed authentic > birth data along with biography of some natives and come up with your > findings. > > > > Till then, don't do cribbing. > > > > Thanks, > > Utkal. > > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > Maybe - Kaliyuga is special! > > > DEMOcrazy arrives, but how? We just heard about the Democratic ways > of the > > > little TEAR DROP! > > > Not to forget, the place has special blessings of Buddha! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 10:19, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga! > > > > > > > > To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to speak > up and > > > > join their voices until democracy arrives! > > > > > > > > Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was > derogatorily > > > > called -- did? > > > > > > > > Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around > this very > > > > epoch many decades ago! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and > remedies > > > > have > > > > > not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise their > voice! > > > > > Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription > properly, or > > > > the > > > > > STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-( > > > > > > > > > > What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the > man-monies! > > > > > Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow > human > > > > beings, > > > > > to save the gullible ones from such tricksters? > > > > > > > > > > Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many > other ways in > > > > > KALIYUG! > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one > recourse > > > > > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe > proxy > > > > poojas. > > > > > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " . > > > > > > > > > > > > C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@<mouji99% > > > > 40> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come > up with > > > > this > > > > > > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when you > got the > > > > > > powers > > > > > > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact > that not > > > > all > > > > > > can > > > > > > > prescribe mantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr > regions " (for > > > > > > which > > > > > > > there is no astrological reason at all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for your " so called " " mundane " > > > > predictions > > > > > > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days can > predict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda' s death > because > > > > you > > > > > > knew > > > > > > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted with > hundreds > > > > of > > > > > > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you > would be > > > > made > > > > > > to > > > > > > > eat your words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show your > worth or > > > > else > > > > > > > show your ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still wishing good for you..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ <utkal.panigrahi % > > > > 40> > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi% 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > > > > > > > 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM > > > > > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > Divisional > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still do > a self > > > > study > > > > > > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of > reading. > > > > Whenever > > > > > > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it > as it > > > > suits > > > > > > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the > methods of > > > > Dr. > > > > > > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants, > but give > > > > no > > > > > > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in > perhaps 3 > > > > years, > > > > > > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by > spending their > > > > > > > entire life on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological > principles and > > > > not > > > > > > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote > about > > > > Swami > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I can > give you > > > > > > > charts where similar placements are present but the persons > are still > > > > > > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a > finger to > > > > your > > > > > > > heart and find out the reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM > > > > > > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > Divisional > > > > Charts > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of > phalit jyotish > > > > or > > > > > > > > predictive astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions > of 3.20 > > > > > > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 > degrees, > > > > each > > > > > > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by > 12 > > > > navamsas > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi > which is > > > > > > > mesha, > > > > > > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha > rashi's first > > > > > > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do > have > > > > predictive > > > > > > > > implications internal to the that rashi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis > within > > > > the > > > > > > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is > no way > > > > > > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, > Planets cast > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a > rashi > > > > receives > > > > > > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi > receives same > > > > > > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and > make a > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put > toghather, > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those > navamsas > > > > or > > > > > > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at > the time > > > > of > > > > > > > > birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees > having a > > > > > > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for > the ease of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are not > known, > > > > but, > > > > > > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, > Our sages > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they > only talked > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > division or amsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into > existence for the > > > > > > > ease > > > > > > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore > question of > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc > emerged. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and > other > > > > divisional > > > > > > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, > take a > > > > case, > > > > > > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of > simha (Leo), > > > > and > > > > > > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, > We w'd > > > > find > > > > > > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other > in Mesha, > > > > > > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna > chart, no > > > > > > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition > based on > > > > their > > > > > > > > conjunction is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, > It's a pity > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, > rushing > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should > > > > understand > > > > > > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa > occupied > > > > by > > > > > > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, > this is the > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other > divisions and > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or > other > > > > divisions, > > > > > > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of > NAVAMSA > > > > CHART > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further > confusions > > > > in > > > > > > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd > stop > > > > taking > > > > > > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or > Iyear's > > > > > > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner > of Jyotish > > > > as > > > > > > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Dear Anna Yes, incredible that three of my sample turn out to be media stars, it could be sex appeal though Marilyn Monroe should be in there as well surely :-) Her Mars has already passed through into the next nakshatra, but is still in 8H Your swati sample are interesting also, Swati is ''sword' so would expect an extra sharp Mars in Swati position! Usually nakshatra is only used for Muhurtha, but maybe it could be useful in other ways too Marg - sar108 Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:29 PM Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Dear Marg, Yes I remeber Ava G. Does Mars in 8th contribute to the sex-appeal of these stars? /btw. I haven't seen 12th involved in the matter, yet/ Anna --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Marg <margie9 wrote: Marg <margie9 Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Received: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 4:10 PM Dear Anna I have another with Mars in Satabhisha 10 H, a lady who was a dentists nurse and assistant Ava Gardner (remember her?) also has Mars in Satabhisha 8H, same as Steve McQueen and Tina Turner...... .... cheers M - sar108 Sunday, February 07, 2010 4:46 PM Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Dear Marg, I have one surgent /urologist/ with Mars in Swati- /unknown TOB/ and one psychiatrist with Mars in Swati, and one psychologist with Mars in Swati /TOB known- Mars is related to 8th H/ Regards, Anna --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Received: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 3:51 AM I think that' a good idea Anna. I have another chart with Taurus rising and Mars in tenth house Satabhisha nakshatra, and this person is also a surgeon working as a gynae. It would be interesting to know if anyone has a chart of a surgeon without this placement of Mars? - sar108 Saturday, February 06, 2010 6:08 PM Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Dear Marg, I've read something like that in books on nakshatra/maybe even Harness?/ but don't have them now /my recent moving to a new place/ I am pretty sure though that someting along that line, 'difficult to cure, diagnose' thus 'one hundred physician needed- bcs I I have rahu in Satabhishak /and it goes well with Rahu's deceptive nature/ Swati naksatra is one I find difficult to undestand fully. Marg, your idea that we share med. charts and discuss here is great! why don't we start the ON NAKSATRAS thread, so that people can share those precious experiencial subtleties, that cannot be found in any book- like one you presented- which is hard to forget easily. So dear Listers, can we unite for while for the sake of the common task? Please share your experiences, your understanding of naksatras, et Good Luck to All! Anna --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:57 AM Dear Anna I think Mars in Satabhisha indicates some surgical skill, though the rest of the chart has to be taken into consideration of course. I haven't done a comprehensive study so wouldn't know what other areas it would cover, but perhaps if others on the list have medical charts they could look up and share with us? I haven't heard of the ''difficult to diagnose ''attributed to this nakshatra, it would be good if you could tell us more? cheers margie I - sar108 Friday, February 05, 2010 10:45 PM Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg, I also wish we could keep reading simple- This example is a promising one, indeed! And Satabhishak Naks is really interesting- along with your rich experience! Would you see it covering medical profession in general, or just more invasive ones/branches/ cutting involved/?I think if Mars is in Satabhisha then likely there is some surgical skill I find 'difficult to diagnose illness' some attribute to Satabhisak N. also very intriguing. Would you please share your view> Thanks, Anna --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 4:55 PM Hello Anna The two charts were identical if I remember correctly,, other than nakshatra placements and the jyotish in India said by sheer coincidence he had a chart similar to one I was reading. Although he said that his chart belonged to the gynae, I didn't read my chart as belonging to someone with so much professional discipline, so had to decided what was making the difference in outcome. I think the first thing was the dasa runs were slightly different but not vastly, but having done lots of charts for doctors and medically minded people I did know that satabhisha was important and so queried the placement of mars, to find it was different in the two charts. My chart had Mars in Dhanishtha and certainly my client was more interested in chasing money as a financial consultant and advisor, than cutting people up! Cheers Margie - sar108 Friday, February 05, 2010 9:34 PM Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg and Utkal, Thank you for sharing. The example you gave, Marg, is a very powerful point for Naks. use. I am wondering if you've found some important /angular/ planet placement difference btw two charts as well? I have seen that in many 'relocation' charts- I know you give some importance to 'astro*ch*gr' in readings- I guess you singled out naksatras importance for theoretical reasons, only? Utkal, what you are referring to /China's aggression/? In terms of global security, recent Russia's announcement that NATO expansion is considered a threat to it's security, is /the only/ 'breaking news' I've heard of. Regards, Anna S.A.R --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:20 AM Dear Utkal, Yes it would be nice if more people shared insights and experience on jyotish techniques. I'm not sure what the Chinese aggression is? In the UK we are dealing with the former PM's aggressive war on Iraq when we are signed up to peace treaties, and he has been found to have deceived our Parliament over the reason for war, and then we have the MP's expense scandal keeping other affairs off the front pages. Of course we all await the next election so we can do something about it, so not sure what is going on in China other than Google/CIA run having a big row with the country. cheers M - utkal.panigrahi Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:59 PM Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg, It's encouraging to know from you that nakshatra's implication is being noticed, Hope ,group will regain it's lost lustre soon with scholarly people's activism. How you think about europe's perception about impact of chinese stupid agression. regards, Utkal. , " Marg " <margie9 > wrote: > > Dear Utkal > With reference to use of nakshatra > I would like to contribute a little experience I had recently where another astrologer had an identical chart to one I was reading, except natives of both charts were born in different countries. > My client had Mars in third house along with Rahu Ju and Ve in Kumbha rasi, so did the other chart of a gynaecologist born in India. > You would think my client would also be a gynaecologist due to same chart, but it was the nakshatra placement of the planets that made the essential difference to career choice, along with slight difference in dasa sequence. My client did not have Mars ( mars ruling surgeons) L5/12 in satabhisha the nakshatra for physicians, though both Venus and Jupiter were in that nakshatra, whereas the gynaecologist did have mars in satabhisha. > So it would seem that the nakshatras are a useful guide to finding additional information about how the planets will behave in rasi/real life without the need to set up an additional chart to explain their influence? > cheers > Marg > > - > utkal.panigrahi > > Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:37 PM > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > > > > > I wish to clarify that my post about Navamsa was based on study of > following jyotish classics in my possession, None of the following > classics mention divisional horoscopes or Amsha Kundali or Varga kundali > the way Janma Kundali (natal chart) is mentioned by them, this is the > reason that there is no reference Navamsa bhava, Navamsa conjunctions or > Navamsa aspects on Navamsa bhava etc, vedic jyotish only suggests to > make table of Navamsas occupied by graha (planet) in a rashi of janma > kundali or natal chart and defines predictive attributes of planets > falling in those Navamsa or Amsas or set of degrees of named divisions > of same rashi as given in janma kundali or natal chart. > > It appears that sages were doing efforts to define predictive attributes > of each degree of a nakshatra and rashi, Sage Kashyap's describes Padas > of Nakschatras and also identifies a Yogtara in the tara's of Nakshtras, > His description of Nakshatras gives can give a corrective foundation to > Krishnamurti Padhati which looks to be deviated from the vedic path and > therefore loosing predictive lustre, Sage Shukadeva seems to be first > who gave idea of Mritu Bhaga, however, His proposition is largely > different then what's given in Jatak Parijata, Phaladeepika and Prashna > Marga. > > I was asked by groups members about the base of my posting, therefore > this confirmatory post is done. > > Classics by Sages : > > Sage Work > > Lomash Lomash Samhita (700 verses) > Vasistha Vasistha Samhita > Bhrigu Bhrigu Samhita, Bhrigu Sutra > Kashyap Atharvan Jyotiosh > Parashuram Bhargav Nadika > Shukdeva Shuka Jatakm > Parashara Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra > Badrayana Prashna Vidya > > Classics by Seers : > > Seer Work > > Satyacharya Satya jatak (Druva Nadi) > Bhaskaracharya Bhava Deepika > Ramanujacharya Bhavarh Ratnakar > > Tantra Classics : > > Lord Work > > Punja Raja Shambu Hora Prakash > Shiav - Parvati Jyotisharnav Navneetam > Shiva - Parvati Rudrayamal Tantra > > Nadi Classics : > > Deva Keralam by R Santhanam > Suka Nadi by R Santhanam > > Classics by Scholars : > > Scholar Work > > Prithu Vyasa Hora Sara > Venktesh Shastri Sarvarth Chintamani > Vaidyanath Jatak Parijaat > Kalyan Verman Sarawali > Kalidasa Uttar Kalamritam > Hema Prabhu Suri Triloka Jyotish (Jain Classic) > Dhundhiraj JatakBharanam > Jeevanath Bhava Kautuhalam > Balbhadra Mishra Hora Ratnam > Hara Shandilya ManSagri > Ramdina Daivagya Brihad Daivagya Ranjanam > Abdurahim Khan Khana Kheta Kautukam > Ram Dayalu Sanket Nidhi > Maha Dev pathak Jatak Tatva > Ram Rathna Ojha Phalit Vikas > Mukund Vallabh Mishra ShadVarga Phal Prakash > Mukund Daivagya Bhava Manjari, Phalit Martand > K N Sarawati Jatak Chandrika > > I have deliberately not studied VarahMihira' s work, I am open for any > discussion or debate on vedic view of Navamsa or any amsa or division. > > Utkal. > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > Neelam, > > > > 1. Mantras do work, mantras are one of the basic framework of our > religion, do not pass sweeping statements letting down truth and > religion. > > > > 2. If you know instances of your life when mantras have not worked, > you should have gone for knowing the reasons why you failed to see or > fail to realize working of mantra, did you do that. > > > > I have done that in my life. > > > > What i said about using navamsa is said by parashara, kalyan verma, > dhundhiraj,mantresw ara and several others. > > > > You decide whose astrology you follow - vedic seer's, classics and > morever an astrology based on true principles and flawless logic or you > follow errorneous practise done by those people who taught you astrology > in an institution. > > However, choice is yours, with vedic approach you won't do as many > mistakes as you do with current faulty approach. > > > > Why dont you verify both the approaches on cönfirmed authentic > birth data along with biography of some natives and come up with your > findings. > > > > Till then, don't do cribbing. > > > > Thanks, > > Utkal. > > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > Maybe - Kaliyuga is special! > > > DEMOcrazy arrives, but how? We just heard about the Democratic ways > of the > > > little TEAR DROP! > > > Not to forget, the place has special blessings of Buddha! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 10:19, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga! > > > > > > > > To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to speak > up and > > > > join their voices until democracy arrives! > > > > > > > > Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was > derogatorily > > > > called -- did? > > > > > > > > Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around > this very > > > > epoch many decades ago! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and > remedies > > > > have > > > > > not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise their > voice! > > > > > Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription > properly, or > > > > the > > > > > STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-( > > > > > > > > > > What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the > man-monies! > > > > > Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow > human > > > > beings, > > > > > to save the gullible ones from such tricksters? > > > > > > > > > > Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many > other ways in > > > > > KALIYUG! > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one > recourse > > > > > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe > proxy > > > > poojas. > > > > > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " . > > > > > > > > > > > > C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@<mouji99% > > > > 40> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come > up with > > > > this > > > > > > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when you > got the > > > > > > powers > > > > > > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact > that not > > > > all > > > > > > can > > > > > > > prescribe mantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr > regions " (for > > > > > > which > > > > > > > there is no astrological reason at all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for your " so called " " mundane " > > > > predictions > > > > > > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days can > predict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda' s death > because > > > > you > > > > > > knew > > > > > > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted with > hundreds > > > > of > > > > > > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you > would be > > > > made > > > > > > to > > > > > > > eat your words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show your > worth or > > > > else > > > > > > > show your ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still wishing good for you..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ <utkal.panigrahi % > > > > 40> > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi% 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > > > > > > > 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM > > > > > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > Divisional > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still do > a self > > > > study > > > > > > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of > reading. > > > > Whenever > > > > > > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it > as it > > > > suits > > > > > > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the > methods of > > > > Dr. > > > > > > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants, > but give > > > > no > > > > > > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in > perhaps 3 > > > > years, > > > > > > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by > spending their > > > > > > > entire life on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological > principles and > > > > not > > > > > > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote > about > > > > Swami > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I can > give you > > > > > > > charts where similar placements are present but the persons > are still > > > > > > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a > finger to > > > > your > > > > > > > heart and find out the reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM > > > > > > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > Divisional > > > > Charts > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of > phalit jyotish > > > > or > > > > > > > > predictive astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions > of 3.20 > > > > > > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 > degrees, > > > > each > > > > > > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by > 12 > > > > navamsas > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi > which is > > > > > > > mesha, > > > > > > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha > rashi's first > > > > > > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do > have > > > > predictive > > > > > > > > implications internal to the that rashi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis > within > > > > the > > > > > > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is > no way > > > > > > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, > Planets cast > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a > rashi > > > > receives > > > > > > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi > receives same > > > > > > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and > make a > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put > toghather, > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those > navamsas > > > > or > > > > > > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at > the time > > > > of > > > > > > > > birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees > having a > > > > > > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for > the ease of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are not > known, > > > > but, > > > > > > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, > Our sages > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they > only talked > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > division or amsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into > existence for the > > > > > > > ease > > > > > > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore > question of > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc > emerged. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and > other > > > > divisional > > > > > > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, > take a > > > > case, > > > > > > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of > simha (Leo), > > > > and > > > > > > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, > We w'd > > > > find > > > > > > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other > in Mesha, > > > > > > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna > chart, no > > > > > > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition > based on > > > > their > > > > > > > > conjunction is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, > It's a pity > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, > rushing > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should > > > > understand > > > > > > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa > occupied > > > > by > > > > > > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, > this is the > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other > divisions and > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or > other > > > > divisions, > > > > > > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of > NAVAMSA > > > > CHART > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further > confusions > > > > in > > > > > > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd > stop > > > > taking > > > > > > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or > Iyear's > > > > > > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner > of Jyotish > > > > as > > > > > > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Dear Manoj Which asterism is Mars placed in, and where is it in you son's chart, and does your son have any placements in Satabhisha in his chart? best wishes Marg - Manoj Chandran Sunday, February 07, 2010 9:36 AM Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Dear Marg, Anna, I have Rahu in Satabhishak in my 4H and 8H from Moon. During Ve-Ra (Ve in 8H and aspected by Ra for those who take Rahu's trine aspects) my son was diagnosed with Autism, which is definitely a " difficult to diagnose/cure disorder " . So there is some truth to this. Regards, -Manoj ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Sun, February 7, 2010 1:51:50 AM Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS I think that' a good idea Anna. I have another chart with Taurus rising and Mars in tenth house Satabhisha nakshatra, and this person is also a surgeon working as a gynae. It would be interesting to know if anyone has a chart of a surgeon without this placement of Mars? - sar108 Saturday, February 06, 2010 6:08 PM Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Dear Marg, I've read something like that in books on nakshatra/maybe even Harness?/ but don't have them now /my recent moving to a new place/ I am pretty sure though that someting along that line, 'difficult to cure, diagnose' thus 'one hundred physician needed- bcs I I have rahu in Satabhishak /and it goes well with Rahu's deceptive nature/ Swati naksatra is one I find difficult to undestand fully. Marg, your idea that we share med. charts and discuss here is great! why don't we start the ON NAKSATRAS thread, so that people can share those precious experiencial subtleties, that cannot be found in any book- like one you presented- which is hard to forget easily. So dear Listers, can we unite for while for the sake of the common task? Please share your experiences, your understanding of naksatras, et Good Luck to All! Anna --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:57 AM Dear Anna I think Mars in Satabhisha indicates some surgical skill, though the rest of the chart has to be taken into consideration of course. I haven't done a comprehensive study so wouldn't know what other areas it would cover, but perhaps if others on the list have medical charts they could look up and share with us? I haven't heard of the ''difficult to diagnose ''attributed to this nakshatra, it would be good if you could tell us more? cheers margie I - sar108 Friday, February 05, 2010 10:45 PM Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg, I also wish we could keep reading simple- This example is a promising one, indeed! And Satabhishak Naks is really interesting- along with your rich experience! Would you see it covering medical profession in general, or just more invasive ones/branches/ cutting involved/?I think if Mars is in Satabhisha then likely there is some surgical skill I find 'difficult to diagnose illness' some attribute to Satabhisak N. also very intriguing. Would you please share your view> Thanks, Anna --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 4:55 PM Hello Anna The two charts were identical if I remember correctly,, other than nakshatra placements and the jyotish in India said by sheer coincidence he had a chart similar to one I was reading. Although he said that his chart belonged to the gynae, I didn't read my chart as belonging to someone with so much professional discipline, so had to decided what was making the difference in outcome. I think the first thing was the dasa runs were slightly different but not vastly, but having done lots of charts for doctors and medically minded people I did know that satabhisha was important and so queried the placement of mars, to find it was different in the two charts. My chart had Mars in Dhanishtha and certainly my client was more interested in chasing money as a financial consultant and advisor, than cutting people up! Cheers Margie - sar108 Friday, February 05, 2010 9:34 PM Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg and Utkal, Thank you for sharing. The example you gave, Marg, is a very powerful point for Naks. use. I am wondering if you've found some important /angular/ planet placement difference btw two charts as well? I have seen that in many 'relocation' charts- I know you give some importance to 'astro*ch*gr' in readings- I guess you singled out naksatras importance for theoretical reasons, only? Utkal, what you are referring to /China's aggression/? In terms of global security, recent Russia's announcement that NATO expansion is considered a threat to it's security, is /the only/ 'breaking news' I've heard of. Regards, Anna S.A.R --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:20 AM Dear Utkal, Yes it would be nice if more people shared insights and experience on jyotish techniques. I'm not sure what the Chinese aggression is? In the UK we are dealing with the former PM's aggressive war on Iraq when we are signed up to peace treaties, and he has been found to have deceived our Parliament over the reason for war, and then we have the MP's expense scandal keeping other affairs off the front pages. Of course we all await the next election so we can do something about it, so not sure what is going on in China other than Google/CIA run having a big row with the country. cheers M - utkal.panigrahi Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:59 PM Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg, It's encouraging to know from you that nakshatra's implication is being noticed, Hope ,group will regain it's lost lustre soon with scholarly people's activism. How you think about europe's perception about impact of chinese stupid agression. regards, Utkal. , " Marg " <margie9 > wrote: > > Dear Utkal > With reference to use of nakshatra > I would like to contribute a little experience I had recently where another astrologer had an identical chart to one I was reading, except natives of both charts were born in different countries. > My client had Mars in third house along with Rahu Ju and Ve in Kumbha rasi, so did the other chart of a gynaecologist born in India. > You would think my client would also be a gynaecologist due to same chart, but it was the nakshatra placement of the planets that made the essential difference to career choice, along with slight difference in dasa sequence. My client did not have Mars ( mars ruling surgeons) L5/12 in satabhisha the nakshatra for physicians, though both Venus and Jupiter were in that nakshatra, whereas the gynaecologist did have mars in satabhisha. > So it would seem that the nakshatras are a useful guide to finding additional information about how the planets will behave in rasi/real life without the need to set up an additional chart to explain their influence? > cheers > Marg > > - > utkal.panigrahi > > Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:37 PM > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > > > > > I wish to clarify that my post about Navamsa was based on study of > following jyotish classics in my possession, None of the following > classics mention divisional horoscopes or Amsha Kundali or Varga kundali > the way Janma Kundali (natal chart) is mentioned by them, this is the > reason that there is no reference Navamsa bhava, Navamsa conjunctions or > Navamsa aspects on Navamsa bhava etc, vedic jyotish only suggests to > make table of Navamsas occupied by graha (planet) in a rashi of janma > kundali or natal chart and defines predictive attributes of planets > falling in those Navamsa or Amsas or set of degrees of named divisions > of same rashi as given in janma kundali or natal chart. > > It appears that sages were doing efforts to define predictive attributes > of each degree of a nakshatra and rashi, Sage Kashyap's describes Padas > of Nakschatras and also identifies a Yogtara in the tara's of Nakshtras, > His description of Nakshatras gives can give a corrective foundation to > Krishnamurti Padhati which looks to be deviated from the vedic path and > therefore loosing predictive lustre, Sage Shukadeva seems to be first > who gave idea of Mritu Bhaga, however, His proposition is largely > different then what's given in Jatak Parijata, Phaladeepika and Prashna > Marga. > > I was asked by groups members about the base of my posting, therefore > this confirmatory post is done. > > Classics by Sages : > > Sage Work > > Lomash Lomash Samhita (700 verses) > Vasistha Vasistha Samhita > Bhrigu Bhrigu Samhita, Bhrigu Sutra > Kashyap Atharvan Jyotiosh > Parashuram Bhargav Nadika > Shukdeva Shuka Jatakm > Parashara Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra > Badrayana Prashna Vidya > > Classics by Seers : > > Seer Work > > Satyacharya Satya jatak (Druva Nadi) > Bhaskaracharya Bhava Deepika > Ramanujacharya Bhavarh Ratnakar > > Tantra Classics : > > Lord Work > > Punja Raja Shambu Hora Prakash > Shiav - Parvati Jyotisharnav Navneetam > Shiva - Parvati Rudrayamal Tantra > > Nadi Classics : > > Deva Keralam by R Santhanam > Suka Nadi by R Santhanam > > Classics by Scholars : > > Scholar Work > > Prithu Vyasa Hora Sara > Venktesh Shastri Sarvarth Chintamani > Vaidyanath Jatak Parijaat > Kalyan Verman Sarawali > Kalidasa Uttar Kalamritam > Hema Prabhu Suri Triloka Jyotish (Jain Classic) > Dhundhiraj JatakBharanam > Jeevanath Bhava Kautuhalam > Balbhadra Mishra Hora Ratnam > Hara Shandilya ManSagri > Ramdina Daivagya Brihad Daivagya Ranjanam > Abdurahim Khan Khana Kheta Kautukam > Ram Dayalu Sanket Nidhi > Maha Dev pathak Jatak Tatva > Ram Rathna Ojha Phalit Vikas > Mukund Vallabh Mishra ShadVarga Phal Prakash > Mukund Daivagya Bhava Manjari, Phalit Martand > K N Sarawati Jatak Chandrika > > I have deliberately not studied VarahMihira' s work, I am open for any > discussion or debate on vedic view of Navamsa or any amsa or division. > > Utkal. > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > Neelam, > > > > 1. Mantras do work, mantras are one of the basic framework of our > religion, do not pass sweeping statements letting down truth and > religion. > > > > 2. If you know instances of your life when mantras have not worked, > you should have gone for knowing the reasons why you failed to see or > fail to realize working of mantra, did you do that. > > > > I have done that in my life. > > > > What i said about using navamsa is said by parashara, kalyan verma, > dhundhiraj,mantresw ara and several others. > > > > You decide whose astrology you follow - vedic seer's, classics and > morever an astrology based on true principles and flawless logic or you > follow errorneous practise done by those people who taught you astrology > in an institution. > > However, choice is yours, with vedic approach you won't do as many > mistakes as you do with current faulty approach. > > > > Why dont you verify both the approaches on cönfirmed authentic > birth data along with biography of some natives and come up with your > findings. > > > > Till then, don't do cribbing. > > > > Thanks, > > Utkal. > > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > Maybe - Kaliyuga is special! > > > DEMOcrazy arrives, but how? We just heard about the Democratic ways > of the > > > little TEAR DROP! > > > Not to forget, the place has special blessings of Buddha! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 10:19, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga! > > > > > > > > To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to speak > up and > > > > join their voices until democracy arrives! > > > > > > > > Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was > derogatorily > > > > called -- did? > > > > > > > > Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around > this very > > > > epoch many decades ago! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and > remedies > > > > have > > > > > not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise their > voice! > > > > > Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription > properly, or > > > > the > > > > > STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-( > > > > > > > > > > What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the > man-monies! > > > > > Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow > human > > > > beings, > > > > > to save the gullible ones from such tricksters? > > > > > > > > > > Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many > other ways in > > > > > KALIYUG! > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one > recourse > > > > > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe > proxy > > > > poojas. > > > > > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " . > > > > > > > > > > > > C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@<mouji99% > > > > 40> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come > up with > > > > this > > > > > > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when you > got the > > > > > > powers > > > > > > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact > that not > > > > all > > > > > > can > > > > > > > prescribe mantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr > regions " (for > > > > > > which > > > > > > > there is no astrological reason at all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for your " so called " " mundane " > > > > predictions > > > > > > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days can > predict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda' s death > because > > > > you > > > > > > knew > > > > > > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted with > hundreds > > > > of > > > > > > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you > would be > > > > made > > > > > > to > > > > > > > eat your words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show your > worth or > > > > else > > > > > > > show your ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still wishing good for you..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ <utkal.panigrahi % > > > > 40> > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi% 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > > > > > > > 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM > > > > > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > Divisional > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still do > a self > > > > study > > > > > > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of > reading. > > > > Whenever > > > > > > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it > as it > > > > suits > > > > > > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the > methods of > > > > Dr. > > > > > > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants, > but give > > > > no > > > > > > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in > perhaps 3 > > > > years, > > > > > > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by > spending their > > > > > > > entire life on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological > principles and > > > > not > > > > > > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote > about > > > > Swami > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I can > give you > > > > > > > charts where similar placements are present but the persons > are still > > > > > > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a > finger to > > > > your > > > > > > > heart and find out the reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM > > > > > > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > Divisional > > > > Charts > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of > phalit jyotish > > > > or > > > > > > > > predictive astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions > of 3.20 > > > > > > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 > degrees, > > > > each > > > > > > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by > 12 > > > > navamsas > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi > which is > > > > > > > mesha, > > > > > > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha > rashi's first > > > > > > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do > have > > > > predictive > > > > > > > > implications internal to the that rashi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis > within > > > > the > > > > > > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is > no way > > > > > > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, > Planets cast > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a > rashi > > > > receives > > > > > > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi > receives same > > > > > > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and > make a > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put > toghather, > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those > navamsas > > > > or > > > > > > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at > the time > > > > of > > > > > > > > birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees > having a > > > > > > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for > the ease of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are not > known, > > > > but, > > > > > > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, > Our sages > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they > only talked > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > division or amsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into > existence for the > > > > > > > ease > > > > > > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore > question of > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc > emerged. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and > other > > > > divisional > > > > > > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, > take a > > > > case, > > > > > > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of > simha (Leo), > > > > and > > > > > > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, > We w'd > > > > find > > > > > > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other > in Mesha, > > > > > > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna > chart, no > > > > > > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition > based on > > > > their > > > > > > > > conjunction is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, > It's a pity > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, > rushing > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should > > > > understand > > > > > > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa > occupied > > > > by > > > > > > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, > this is the > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other > divisions and > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or > other > > > > divisions, > > > > > > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of > NAVAMSA > > > > CHART > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further > confusions > > > > in > > > > > > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd > stop > > > > taking > > > > > > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or > Iyear's > > > > > > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner > of Jyotish > > > > as > > > > > > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Dear Anna I just looked to find in my collection of charts who has Mars in swati. I have a student psychologist with the position, conjoint Saturn second house. I also have a successful builder who runs his own company with this position conjoint Jupiter eleventh house. I have a lady who ran a hotel in a foreign country with Mars in Swati conjoint Mer and sun but also parivartana Venus in first house. Another chart of a medical researcher has Mars tenth with Jupiter. Another chart is of a famous politician who founded the Labour Party and promoted suffrage for women. He had no profession as such due to no education and being sent to work as a baker delivery boy, from age 8 to support his mother and father. cheers M - Marg Monday, February 08, 2010 8:12 AM Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Dear Anna Yes, incredible that three of my sample turn out to be media stars, it could be sex appeal though Marilyn Monroe should be in there as well surely :-) Her Mars has already passed through into the next nakshatra, but is still in 8H Your swati sample are interesting also, Swati is ''sword' so would expect an extra sharp Mars in Swati position! Usually nakshatra is only used for Muhurtha, but maybe it could be useful in other ways too Marg - sar108 Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:29 PM Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Dear Marg, Yes I remeber Ava G. Does Mars in 8th contribute to the sex-appeal of these stars? /btw. I haven't seen 12th involved in the matter, yet/ Anna --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Marg <margie9 wrote: Marg <margie9 Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Received: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 4:10 PM Dear Anna I have another with Mars in Satabhisha 10 H, a lady who was a dentists nurse and assistant Ava Gardner (remember her?) also has Mars in Satabhisha 8H, same as Steve McQueen and Tina Turner...... .... cheers M - sar108 Sunday, February 07, 2010 4:46 PM Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Dear Marg, I have one surgent /urologist/ with Mars in Swati- /unknown TOB/ and one psychiatrist with Mars in Swati, and one psychologist with Mars in Swati /TOB known- Mars is related to 8th H/ Regards, Anna --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Received: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 3:51 AM I think that' a good idea Anna. I have another chart with Taurus rising and Mars in tenth house Satabhisha nakshatra, and this person is also a surgeon working as a gynae. It would be interesting to know if anyone has a chart of a surgeon without this placement of Mars? - sar108 Saturday, February 06, 2010 6:08 PM Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Dear Marg, I've read something like that in books on nakshatra/maybe even Harness?/ but don't have them now /my recent moving to a new place/ I am pretty sure though that someting along that line, 'difficult to cure, diagnose' thus 'one hundred physician needed- bcs I I have rahu in Satabhishak /and it goes well with Rahu's deceptive nature/ Swati naksatra is one I find difficult to undestand fully. Marg, your idea that we share med. charts and discuss here is great! why don't we start the ON NAKSATRAS thread, so that people can share those precious experiencial subtleties, that cannot be found in any book- like one you presented- which is hard to forget easily. So dear Listers, can we unite for while for the sake of the common task? Please share your experiences, your understanding of naksatras, et Good Luck to All! Anna --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:57 AM Dear Anna I think Mars in Satabhisha indicates some surgical skill, though the rest of the chart has to be taken into consideration of course. I haven't done a comprehensive study so wouldn't know what other areas it would cover, but perhaps if others on the list have medical charts they could look up and share with us? I haven't heard of the ''difficult to diagnose ''attributed to this nakshatra, it would be good if you could tell us more? cheers margie I - sar108 Friday, February 05, 2010 10:45 PM Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg, I also wish we could keep reading simple- This example is a promising one, indeed! And Satabhishak Naks is really interesting- along with your rich experience! Would you see it covering medical profession in general, or just more invasive ones/branches/ cutting involved/?I think if Mars is in Satabhisha then likely there is some surgical skill I find 'difficult to diagnose illness' some attribute to Satabhisak N. also very intriguing. Would you please share your view> Thanks, Anna --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 4:55 PM Hello Anna The two charts were identical if I remember correctly,, other than nakshatra placements and the jyotish in India said by sheer coincidence he had a chart similar to one I was reading. Although he said that his chart belonged to the gynae, I didn't read my chart as belonging to someone with so much professional discipline, so had to decided what was making the difference in outcome. I think the first thing was the dasa runs were slightly different but not vastly, but having done lots of charts for doctors and medically minded people I did know that satabhisha was important and so queried the placement of mars, to find it was different in the two charts. My chart had Mars in Dhanishtha and certainly my client was more interested in chasing money as a financial consultant and advisor, than cutting people up! Cheers Margie - sar108 Friday, February 05, 2010 9:34 PM Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg and Utkal, Thank you for sharing. The example you gave, Marg, is a very powerful point for Naks. use. I am wondering if you've found some important /angular/ planet placement difference btw two charts as well? I have seen that in many 'relocation' charts- I know you give some importance to 'astro*ch*gr' in readings- I guess you singled out naksatras importance for theoretical reasons, only? Utkal, what you are referring to /China's aggression/? In terms of global security, recent Russia's announcement that NATO expansion is considered a threat to it's security, is /the only/ 'breaking news' I've heard of. Regards, Anna S.A.R --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:20 AM Dear Utkal, Yes it would be nice if more people shared insights and experience on jyotish techniques. I'm not sure what the Chinese aggression is? In the UK we are dealing with the former PM's aggressive war on Iraq when we are signed up to peace treaties, and he has been found to have deceived our Parliament over the reason for war, and then we have the MP's expense scandal keeping other affairs off the front pages. Of course we all await the next election so we can do something about it, so not sure what is going on in China other than Google/CIA run having a big row with the country. cheers M - utkal.panigrahi Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:59 PM Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg, It's encouraging to know from you that nakshatra's implication is being noticed, Hope ,group will regain it's lost lustre soon with scholarly people's activism. How you think about europe's perception about impact of chinese stupid agression. regards, Utkal. , " Marg " <margie9 > wrote: > > Dear Utkal > With reference to use of nakshatra > I would like to contribute a little experience I had recently where another astrologer had an identical chart to one I was reading, except natives of both charts were born in different countries. > My client had Mars in third house along with Rahu Ju and Ve in Kumbha rasi, so did the other chart of a gynaecologist born in India. > You would think my client would also be a gynaecologist due to same chart, but it was the nakshatra placement of the planets that made the essential difference to career choice, along with slight difference in dasa sequence. My client did not have Mars ( mars ruling surgeons) L5/12 in satabhisha the nakshatra for physicians, though both Venus and Jupiter were in that nakshatra, whereas the gynaecologist did have mars in satabhisha. > So it would seem that the nakshatras are a useful guide to finding additional information about how the planets will behave in rasi/real life without the need to set up an additional chart to explain their influence? > cheers > Marg > > - > utkal.panigrahi > > Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:37 PM > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > > > > > I wish to clarify that my post about Navamsa was based on study of > following jyotish classics in my possession, None of the following > classics mention divisional horoscopes or Amsha Kundali or Varga kundali > the way Janma Kundali (natal chart) is mentioned by them, this is the > reason that there is no reference Navamsa bhava, Navamsa conjunctions or > Navamsa aspects on Navamsa bhava etc, vedic jyotish only suggests to > make table of Navamsas occupied by graha (planet) in a rashi of janma > kundali or natal chart and defines predictive attributes of planets > falling in those Navamsa or Amsas or set of degrees of named divisions > of same rashi as given in janma kundali or natal chart. > > It appears that sages were doing efforts to define predictive attributes > of each degree of a nakshatra and rashi, Sage Kashyap's describes Padas > of Nakschatras and also identifies a Yogtara in the tara's of Nakshtras, > His description of Nakshatras gives can give a corrective foundation to > Krishnamurti Padhati which looks to be deviated from the vedic path and > therefore loosing predictive lustre, Sage Shukadeva seems to be first > who gave idea of Mritu Bhaga, however, His proposition is largely > different then what's given in Jatak Parijata, Phaladeepika and Prashna > Marga. > > I was asked by groups members about the base of my posting, therefore > this confirmatory post is done. > > Classics by Sages : > > Sage Work > > Lomash Lomash Samhita (700 verses) > Vasistha Vasistha Samhita > Bhrigu Bhrigu Samhita, Bhrigu Sutra > Kashyap Atharvan Jyotiosh > Parashuram Bhargav Nadika > Shukdeva Shuka Jatakm > Parashara Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra > Badrayana Prashna Vidya > > Classics by Seers : > > Seer Work > > Satyacharya Satya jatak (Druva Nadi) > Bhaskaracharya Bhava Deepika > Ramanujacharya Bhavarh Ratnakar > > Tantra Classics : > > Lord Work > > Punja Raja Shambu Hora Prakash > Shiav - Parvati Jyotisharnav Navneetam > Shiva - Parvati Rudrayamal Tantra > > Nadi Classics : > > Deva Keralam by R Santhanam > Suka Nadi by R Santhanam > > Classics by Scholars : > > Scholar Work > > Prithu Vyasa Hora Sara > Venktesh Shastri Sarvarth Chintamani > Vaidyanath Jatak Parijaat > Kalyan Verman Sarawali > Kalidasa Uttar Kalamritam > Hema Prabhu Suri Triloka Jyotish (Jain Classic) > Dhundhiraj JatakBharanam > Jeevanath Bhava Kautuhalam > Balbhadra Mishra Hora Ratnam > Hara Shandilya ManSagri > Ramdina Daivagya Brihad Daivagya Ranjanam > Abdurahim Khan Khana Kheta Kautukam > Ram Dayalu Sanket Nidhi > Maha Dev pathak Jatak Tatva > Ram Rathna Ojha Phalit Vikas > Mukund Vallabh Mishra ShadVarga Phal Prakash > Mukund Daivagya Bhava Manjari, Phalit Martand > K N Sarawati Jatak Chandrika > > I have deliberately not studied VarahMihira' s work, I am open for any > discussion or debate on vedic view of Navamsa or any amsa or division. > > Utkal. > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > Neelam, > > > > 1. Mantras do work, mantras are one of the basic framework of our > religion, do not pass sweeping statements letting down truth and > religion. > > > > 2. If you know instances of your life when mantras have not worked, > you should have gone for knowing the reasons why you failed to see or > fail to realize working of mantra, did you do that. > > > > I have done that in my life. > > > > What i said about using navamsa is said by parashara, kalyan verma, > dhundhiraj,mantresw ara and several others. > > > > You decide whose astrology you follow - vedic seer's, classics and > morever an astrology based on true principles and flawless logic or you > follow errorneous practise done by those people who taught you astrology > in an institution. > > However, choice is yours, with vedic approach you won't do as many > mistakes as you do with current faulty approach. > > > > Why dont you verify both the approaches on cönfirmed authentic > birth data along with biography of some natives and come up with your > findings. > > > > Till then, don't do cribbing. > > > > Thanks, > > Utkal. > > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > Maybe - Kaliyuga is special! > > > DEMOcrazy arrives, but how? We just heard about the Democratic ways > of the > > > little TEAR DROP! > > > Not to forget, the place has special blessings of Buddha! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 10:19, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga! > > > > > > > > To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to speak > up and > > > > join their voices until democracy arrives! > > > > > > > > Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was > derogatorily > > > > called -- did? > > > > > > > > Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around > this very > > > > epoch many decades ago! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and > remedies > > > > have > > > > > not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise their > voice! > > > > > Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription > properly, or > > > > the > > > > > STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-( > > > > > > > > > > What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the > man-monies! > > > > > Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow > human > > > > beings, > > > > > to save the gullible ones from such tricksters? > > > > > > > > > > Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many > other ways in > > > > > KALIYUG! > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one > recourse > > > > > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe > proxy > > > > poojas. > > > > > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " . > > > > > > > > > > > > C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@<mouji99% > > > > 40> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come > up with > > > > this > > > > > > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when you > got the > > > > > > powers > > > > > > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact > that not > > > > all > > > > > > can > > > > > > > prescribe mantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr > regions " (for > > > > > > which > > > > > > > there is no astrological reason at all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for your " so called " " mundane " > > > > predictions > > > > > > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days can > predict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda' s death > because > > > > you > > > > > > knew > > > > > > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted with > hundreds > > > > of > > > > > > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you > would be > > > > made > > > > > > to > > > > > > > eat your words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show your > worth or > > > > else > > > > > > > show your ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still wishing good for you..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ <utkal.panigrahi % > > > > 40> > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi% 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > > > > > > > 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM > > > > > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > Divisional > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still do > a self > > > > study > > > > > > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of > reading. > > > > Whenever > > > > > > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it > as it > > > > suits > > > > > > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the > methods of > > > > Dr. > > > > > > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants, > but give > > > > no > > > > > > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in > perhaps 3 > > > > years, > > > > > > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by > spending their > > > > > > > entire life on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological > principles and > > > > not > > > > > > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote > about > > > > Swami > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I can > give you > > > > > > > charts where similar placements are present but the persons > are still > > > > > > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a > finger to > > > > your > > > > > > > heart and find out the reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM > > > > > > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > Divisional > > > > Charts > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of > phalit jyotish > > > > or > > > > > > > > predictive astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions > of 3.20 > > > > > > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 > degrees, > > > > each > > > > > > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by > 12 > > > > navamsas > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi > which is > > > > > > > mesha, > > > > > > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha > rashi's first > > > > > > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do > have > > > > predictive > > > > > > > > implications internal to the that rashi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis > within > > > > the > > > > > > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is > no way > > > > > > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, > Planets cast > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a > rashi > > > > receives > > > > > > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi > receives same > > > > > > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and > make a > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put > toghather, > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those > navamsas > > > > or > > > > > > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at > the time > > > > of > > > > > > > > birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees > having a > > > > > > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for > the ease of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are not > known, > > > > but, > > > > > > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, > Our sages > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they > only talked > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > division or amsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into > existence for the > > > > > > > ease > > > > > > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore > question of > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc > emerged. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and > other > > > > divisional > > > > > > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, > take a > > > > case, > > > > > > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of > simha (Leo), > > > > and > > > > > > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, > We w'd > > > > find > > > > > > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other > in Mesha, > > > > > > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna > chart, no > > > > > > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition > based on > > > > their > > > > > > > > conjunction is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, > It's a pity > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, > rushing > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should > > > > understand > > > > > > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa > occupied > > > > by > > > > > > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, > this is the > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other > divisions and > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or > other > > > > divisions, > > > > > > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of > NAVAMSA > > > > CHART > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further > confusions > > > > in > > > > > > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd > stop > > > > taking > > > > > > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or > Iyear's > > > > > > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner > of Jyotish > > > > as > > > > > > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Hi Marg, Didn't find this message (quoted below) so am responding to your more recent message. > ________________________________ > Marg <margie9 > > Sun, February 7, 2010 1:51:50 AM > Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS > > > I think that' a good idea Anna. > I have another chart with Taurus rising and Mars in tenth house Satabhisha nakshatra, and this person is also a surgeon working as a gynae. > It would be interesting to know if anyone has a chart of a surgeon without this placement of Mars? > ________________________________ Hope the following summary from Rodden database helps your research: >A category charts = 19995 Surgeons = 41 Taurus rising =2/41 Mars in X = 6/41 Mars in Shatabisha =0/41 All 3 above factors =0/41 (not surprising since Mars in Shatbisha =0) MARS in ANY RAHU Star = 5/41 Regards, Rohiniranjan , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Dear Manoj > Which asterism is Mars placed in, and where is it in you son's chart, and does your son have any placements in Satabhisha in his chart? > best wishes > Marg > - > Manoj Chandran > > Sunday, February 07, 2010 9:36 AM > Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS > > > > Dear Marg, Anna, > > I have Rahu in Satabhishak in my 4H and 8H from Moon. During Ve-Ra (Ve in 8H and aspected by Ra for those who take Rahu's trine aspects) my son was diagnosed with Autism, which is definitely a " difficult to diagnose/cure disorder " . So there is some truth to this. > > Regards, > -Manoj > > > ________________________________ > Marg <margie9 > > Sun, February 7, 2010 1:51:50 AM > Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS > > > I think that' a good idea Anna. > I have another chart with Taurus rising and Mars in tenth house Satabhisha nakshatra, and this person is also a surgeon working as a gynae. > It would be interesting to know if anyone has a chart of a surgeon without this placement of Mars? > > - > sar108 > > Saturday, February 06, 2010 6:08 PM > Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS > > Dear Marg, > > I've read something like that in books on nakshatra/maybe even Harness?/ but don't have them now /my recent moving to a new place/ > I am pretty sure though that someting along that line, 'difficult to cure, diagnose' thus 'one hundred physician needed- bcs > I I have rahu in Satabhishak /and it goes well with Rahu's deceptive nature/ > > Swati naksatra is one I find difficult to undestand fully. > Marg, your idea that we share med. charts and discuss here is great! why don't we start the ON NAKSATRAS thread, so that people can share those precious experiencial subtleties, that cannot be found in any book- like one you presented- which is hard to forget easily. > > So dear Listers, > can we unite for while for the sake of the common task? > Please share your experiences, your understanding of naksatras, et > > Good Luck to All! > Anna > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: > > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > Received: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:57 AM > > Dear Anna > I think Mars in Satabhisha indicates some surgical skill, though the rest of the chart has to be taken into consideration of course. I haven't done a comprehensive study so wouldn't know what other areas it would cover, but perhaps if others on the list have medical charts they could look up and share with us? > I haven't heard of the ''difficult to diagnose ''attributed to this nakshatra, it would be good if you could tell us more? > cheers > margie > > I > - > sar108 > > Friday, February 05, 2010 10:45 PM > Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > Dear Marg, > > I also wish we could keep reading simple- This example is a promising one, indeed! > > And Satabhishak Naks is really interesting- along with your rich experience! Would you see it covering medical profession in general, or just more invasive ones/branches/ cutting involved/?I think if Mars is in Satabhisha then likely there is some surgical skill > I find 'difficult to diagnose illness' some attribute to Satabhisak N. also very intriguing. Would you please share your view> > > Thanks, > Anna > > --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: > > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 4:55 PM > > Hello Anna > The two charts were identical if I remember correctly,, other than nakshatra placements and the jyotish in India said by sheer coincidence he had a chart similar to one I was reading. Although he said that his chart belonged to the gynae, I didn't read my chart as belonging to someone with so much professional discipline, so had to decided what was making the difference in outcome. I think the first thing was the dasa runs were slightly different but not vastly, but having done lots of charts for doctors and medically minded people I did know that satabhisha was important and so queried the placement of mars, to find it was different in the two charts. > My chart had Mars in Dhanishtha and certainly my client was more interested in chasing money as a financial consultant and advisor, than cutting people up! > Cheers > Margie > > - > sar108 > > Friday, February 05, 2010 9:34 PM > Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > Dear Marg and Utkal, > > Thank you for sharing. > The example you gave, Marg, is a very powerful point for Naks. use. > I am wondering if you've found some important /angular/ planet placement difference btw two charts as well? > I have seen that in many 'relocation' charts- I know you give some importance to 'astro*ch*gr' in readings- I guess you singled out naksatras importance for theoretical reasons, only? > > Utkal, what you are referring to /China's aggression/? > In terms of global security, recent Russia's announcement that NATO expansion is considered a threat to it's security, is /the only/ 'breaking news' I've heard of. > > Regards, > Anna > > S.A.R > > --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: > > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:20 AM > > Dear Utkal, > Yes it would be nice if more people shared insights and experience on jyotish techniques. > I'm not sure what the Chinese aggression is? > In the UK we are dealing with the former PM's aggressive war on Iraq when we are signed up to peace treaties, and he has been found to have deceived our Parliament over the reason for war, and then we have the MP's expense scandal keeping other affairs off the front pages. > Of course we all await the next election so we can do something about it, so not sure what is going on in China other than Google/CIA run having a big row with the country. > cheers > M > - > utkal.panigrahi > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:59 PM > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > Dear Marg, > > It's encouraging to know from you that nakshatra's implication is being > noticed, Hope ,group will regain it's lost lustre soon with scholarly > people's activism. > > How you think about europe's perception about impact of chinese stupid > agression. > > regards, > Utkal. > > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Utkal > > With reference to use of nakshatra > > I would like to contribute a little experience I had recently where > another astrologer had an identical chart to one I was reading, except > natives of both charts were born in different countries. > > My client had Mars in third house along with Rahu Ju and Ve in Kumbha > rasi, so did the other chart of a gynaecologist born in India. > > You would think my client would also be a gynaecologist due to same > chart, but it was the nakshatra placement of the planets that made the > essential difference to career choice, along with slight difference in > dasa sequence. My client did not have Mars ( mars ruling surgeons) L5/12 > in satabhisha the nakshatra for physicians, though both Venus and > Jupiter were in that nakshatra, whereas the gynaecologist did have mars > in satabhisha. > > So it would seem that the nakshatras are a useful guide to finding > additional information about how the planets will behave in rasi/real > life without the need to set up an additional chart to explain their > influence? > > cheers > > Marg > > > > - > > utkal.panigrahi > > > > Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:37 PM > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional > Charts & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to clarify that my post about Navamsa was based on study of > > following jyotish classics in my possession, None of the following > > classics mention divisional horoscopes or Amsha Kundali or Varga > kundali > > the way Janma Kundali (natal chart) is mentioned by them, this is the > > reason that there is no reference Navamsa bhava, Navamsa conjunctions > or > > Navamsa aspects on Navamsa bhava etc, vedic jyotish only suggests to > > make table of Navamsas occupied by graha (planet) in a rashi of janma > > kundali or natal chart and defines predictive attributes of planets > > falling in those Navamsa or Amsas or set of degrees of named divisions > > of same rashi as given in janma kundali or natal chart. > > > > It appears that sages were doing efforts to define predictive > attributes > > of each degree of a nakshatra and rashi, Sage Kashyap's describes > Padas > > of Nakschatras and also identifies a Yogtara in the tara's of > Nakshtras, > > His description of Nakshatras gives can give a corrective foundation > to > > Krishnamurti Padhati which looks to be deviated from the vedic path > and > > therefore loosing predictive lustre, Sage Shukadeva seems to be first > > who gave idea of Mritu Bhaga, however, His proposition is largely > > different then what's given in Jatak Parijata, Phaladeepika and > Prashna > > Marga. > > > > I was asked by groups members about the base of my posting, therefore > > this confirmatory post is done. > > > > Classics by Sages : > > > > Sage Work > > > > Lomash Lomash Samhita (700 verses) > > Vasistha Vasistha Samhita > > Bhrigu Bhrigu Samhita, Bhrigu Sutra > > Kashyap Atharvan Jyotiosh > > Parashuram Bhargav Nadika > > Shukdeva Shuka Jatakm > > Parashara Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra > > Badrayana Prashna Vidya > > > > Classics by Seers : > > > > Seer Work > > > > Satyacharya Satya jatak (Druva Nadi) > > Bhaskaracharya Bhava Deepika > > Ramanujacharya Bhavarh Ratnakar > > > > Tantra Classics : > > > > Lord Work > > > > Punja Raja Shambu Hora Prakash > > Shiav - Parvati Jyotisharnav Navneetam > > Shiva - Parvati Rudrayamal Tantra > > > > Nadi Classics : > > > > Deva Keralam by R Santhanam > > Suka Nadi by R Santhanam > > > > Classics by Scholars : > > > > Scholar Work > > > > Prithu Vyasa Hora Sara > > Venktesh Shastri Sarvarth Chintamani > > Vaidyanath Jatak Parijaat > > Kalyan Verman Sarawali > > Kalidasa Uttar Kalamritam > > Hema Prabhu Suri Triloka Jyotish (Jain Classic) > > Dhundhiraj JatakBharanam > > Jeevanath Bhava Kautuhalam > > Balbhadra Mishra Hora Ratnam > > Hara Shandilya ManSagri > > Ramdina Daivagya Brihad Daivagya Ranjanam > > Abdurahim Khan Khana Kheta Kautukam > > Ram Dayalu Sanket Nidhi > > Maha Dev pathak Jatak Tatva > > Ram Rathna Ojha Phalit Vikas > > Mukund Vallabh Mishra ShadVarga Phal Prakash > > Mukund Daivagya Bhava Manjari, Phalit Martand > > K N Sarawati Jatak Chandrika > > > > I have deliberately not studied VarahMihira' s work, I am open for any > > discussion or debate on vedic view of Navamsa or any amsa or division. > > > > Utkal. > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > 1. Mantras do work, mantras are one of the basic framework of our > > religion, do not pass sweeping statements letting down truth and > > religion. > > > > > > 2. If you know instances of your life when mantras have not worked, > > you should have gone for knowing the reasons why you failed to see or > > fail to realize working of mantra, did you do that. > > > > > > I have done that in my life. > > > > > > What i said about using navamsa is said by parashara, kalyan verma, > > dhundhiraj,mantresw ara and several others. > > > > > > You decide whose astrology you follow - vedic seer's, classics and > > morever an astrology based on true principles and flawless logic or > you > > follow errorneous practise done by those people who taught you > astrology > > in an institution. > > > However, choice is yours, with vedic approach you won't do as many > > mistakes as you do with current faulty approach. > > > > > > Why dont you verify both the approaches on cönfirmed authentic > > birth data along with biography of some natives and come up with your > > findings. > > > > > > Till then, don't do cribbing. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Utkal. > > > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Maybe - Kaliyuga is special! > > > > DEMOcrazy arrives, but how? We just heard about the Democratic > ways > > of the > > > > little TEAR DROP! > > > > Not to forget, the place has special blessings of Buddha! > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 10:19, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga! > > > > > > > > > > To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to > speak > > up and > > > > > join their voices until democracy arrives! > > > > > > > > > > Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was > > derogatorily > > > > > called -- did? > > > > > > > > > > Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around > > this very > > > > > epoch many decades ago! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and > > remedies > > > > > have > > > > > > not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise > their > > voice! > > > > > > Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription > > properly, or > > > > > the > > > > > > STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-( > > > > > > > > > > > > What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the > > man-monies! > > > > > > Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow > > human > > > > > beings, > > > > > > to save the gullible ones from such tricksters? > > > > > > > > > > > > Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many > > other ways in > > > > > > KALIYUG! > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one > > recourse > > > > > > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe > > proxy > > > > > poojas. > > > > > > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar > <mouji99@<mouji99% > > > > > 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come > > up with > > > > > this > > > > > > > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when > you > > got the > > > > > > > powers > > > > > > > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact > > that not > > > > > all > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > prescribe mantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr > > regions " (for > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > there is no astrological reason at all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for your " so called " > " mundane " > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days > can > > predict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda' s death > > because > > > > > you > > > > > > > knew > > > > > > > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted > with > > hundreds > > > > > of > > > > > > > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you > > would be > > > > > made > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > eat your words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show > your > > worth or > > > > > else > > > > > > > > show your ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still wishing good for you..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ <utkal.panigrahi % > > > > > 40> > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi% 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > > 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > > > > > > > > > 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > > Divisional > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still > do > > a self > > > > > study > > > > > > > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Kumar > <mouji99@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of > > reading. > > > > > Whenever > > > > > > > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook > it > > as it > > > > > suits > > > > > > > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the > > methods of > > > > > Dr. > > > > > > > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological > giants, > > but give > > > > > no > > > > > > > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in > > perhaps 3 > > > > > years, > > > > > > > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by > > spending their > > > > > > > > entire life on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological > > principles and > > > > > not > > > > > > > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote > > about > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I > can > > give you > > > > > > > > charts where similar placements are present but the > persons > > are still > > > > > > > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a > > finger to > > > > > your > > > > > > > > heart and find out the reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM > > > > > > > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > > Divisional > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of > > phalit jyotish > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > predictive astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions > > of 3.20 > > > > > > > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 > > degrees, > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by > > 12 > > > > > navamsas > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi > > which is > > > > > > > > mesha, > > > > > > > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha > > rashi's first > > > > > > > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do > > have > > > > > predictive > > > > > > > > > implications internal to the that rashi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 > rashis > > within > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa > is > > no way > > > > > > > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, > > Planets cast > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a > > rashi > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi > > receives same > > > > > > > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division > and > > make a > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put > > toghather, > > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those > > navamsas > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached > at > > the time > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 > degrees > > having a > > > > > > > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for > > the ease of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are > not > > known, > > > > > but, > > > > > > > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, > > Our sages > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they > > only talked > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > division or amsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into > > existence for the > > > > > > > > ease > > > > > > > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood > when > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore > > question of > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc > > emerged. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and > > other > > > > > divisional > > > > > > > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built > hazards, > > take a > > > > > case, > > > > > > > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of > > simha (Leo), > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), > now, > > We w'd > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each > other > > in Mesha, > > > > > > > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna > > chart, no > > > > > > > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition > > based on > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > conjunction is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, > > It's a pity > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the > fact, > > rushing > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they > should > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular > amsa > > occupied > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, > > this is the > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other > > divisions and > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or > > other > > > > > divisions, > > > > > > > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of > > NAVAMSA > > > > > CHART > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further > > confusions > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers > w'd > > stop > > > > > taking > > > > > > > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or > > Iyear's > > > > > > > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner > > of Jyotish > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Dear Marg, Rahu is in 3rd pada and Vargottam. No, my son has no planets in Satabhisha.  Regards,  -Manoj  ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Mon, February 8, 2010 1:21:06 AM Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS  Dear Manoj Which asterism is Mars placed in, and where is it in you son's chart, and does your son have any placements in Satabhisha in his chart? best wishes Marg - Manoj Chandran Sunday, February 07, 2010 9:36 AM Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Dear Marg, Anna, I have Rahu in Satabhishak in my 4H and 8H from Moon. During Ve-Ra (Ve in 8H and aspected by Ra for those who take Rahu's trine aspects) my son was diagnosed with Autism, which is definitely a " difficult to diagnose/cure disorder " . So there is some truth to this. Regards, -Manoj ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Sun, February 7, 2010 1:51:50 AM Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS I think that' a good idea Anna. I have another chart with Taurus rising and Mars in tenth house Satabhisha nakshatra, and this person is also a surgeon working as a gynae. It would be interesting to know if anyone has a chart of a surgeon without this placement of Mars? - sar108 Saturday, February 06, 2010 6:08 PM Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Dear Marg, I've read something like that in books on nakshatra/maybe even Harness?/ but don't have them now /my recent moving to a new place/ I am pretty sure though that someting along that line, 'difficult to cure, diagnose' thus 'one hundred physician needed- bcs I I have rahu in Satabhishak /and it goes well with Rahu's deceptive nature/ Swati naksatra is one I find difficult to undestand fully. Marg, your idea that we share med. charts and discuss here is great! why don't we start the ON NAKSATRAS thread, so that people can share those precious experiencial subtleties, that cannot be found in any book- like one you presented- which is hard to forget easily. So dear Listers, can we unite for while for the sake of the common task? Please share your experiences, your understanding of naksatras, et Good Luck to All! Anna --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:57 AM Dear Anna I think Mars in Satabhisha indicates some surgical skill, though the rest of the chart has to be taken into consideration of course. I haven't done a comprehensive study so wouldn't know what other areas it would cover, but perhaps if others on the list have medical charts they could look up and share with us? I haven't heard of the ''difficult to diagnose ''attributed to this nakshatra, it would be good if you could tell us more? cheers margie I - sar108 Friday, February 05, 2010 10:45 PM Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg, I also wish we could keep reading simple- This example is a promising one, indeed! And Satabhishak Naks is really interesting- along with your rich experience! Would you see it covering medical profession in general, or just more invasive ones/branches/ cutting involved/?I think if Mars is in Satabhisha then likely there is some surgical skill I find 'difficult to diagnose illness' some attribute to Satabhisak N. also very intriguing. Would you please share your view> Thanks, Anna --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 4:55 PM Hello Anna The two charts were identical if I remember correctly,, other than nakshatra placements and the jyotish in India said by sheer coincidence he had a chart similar to one I was reading. Although he said that his chart belonged to the gynae, I didn't read my chart as belonging to someone with so much professional discipline, so had to decided what was making the difference in outcome. I think the first thing was the dasa runs were slightly different but not vastly, but having done lots of charts for doctors and medically minded people I did know that satabhisha was important and so queried the placement of mars, to find it was different in the two charts. My chart had Mars in Dhanishtha and certainly my client was more interested in chasing money as a financial consultant and advisor, than cutting people up! Cheers Margie - sar108 Friday, February 05, 2010 9:34 PM Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg and Utkal, Thank you for sharing. The example you gave, Marg, is a very powerful point for Naks. use. I am wondering if you've found some important /angular/ planet placement difference btw two charts as well? I have seen that in many 'relocation' charts- I know you give some importance to 'astro*ch*gr' in readings- I guess you singled out naksatras importance for theoretical reasons, only? Utkal, what you are referring to /China's aggression/? In terms of global security, recent Russia's announcement that NATO expansion is considered a threat to it's security, is /the only/ 'breaking news' I've heard of. Regards, Anna S.A.R --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:20 AM Dear Utkal, Yes it would be nice if more people shared insights and experience on jyotish techniques. I'm not sure what the Chinese aggression is? In the UK we are dealing with the former PM's aggressive war on Iraq when we are signed up to peace treaties, and he has been found to have deceived our Parliament over the reason for war, and then we have the MP's expense scandal keeping other affairs off the front pages. Of course we all await the next election so we can do something about it, so not sure what is going on in China other than Google/CIA run having a big row with the country. cheers M - utkal.panigrahi Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:59 PM Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg, It's encouraging to know from you that nakshatra's implication is being noticed, Hope ,group will regain it's lost lustre soon with scholarly people's activism. How you think about europe's perception about impact of chinese stupid agression. regards, Utkal. , " Marg " <margie9 > wrote: > > Dear Utkal > With reference to use of nakshatra > I would like to contribute a little experience I had recently where another astrologer had an identical chart to one I was reading, except natives of both charts were born in different countries. > My client had Mars in third house along with Rahu Ju and Ve in Kumbha rasi, so did the other chart of a gynaecologist born in India. > You would think my client would also be a gynaecologist due to same chart, but it was the nakshatra placement of the planets that made the essential difference to career choice, along with slight difference in dasa sequence. My client did not have Mars ( mars ruling surgeons) L5/12 in satabhisha the nakshatra for physicians, though both Venus and Jupiter were in that nakshatra, whereas the gynaecologist did have mars in satabhisha. > So it would seem that the nakshatras are a useful guide to finding additional information about how the planets will behave in rasi/real life without the need to set up an additional chart to explain their influence? > cheers > Marg > > - > utkal.panigrahi > > Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:37 PM > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > > > > > I wish to clarify that my post about Navamsa was based on study of > following jyotish classics in my possession, None of the following > classics mention divisional horoscopes or Amsha Kundali or Varga kundali > the way Janma Kundali (natal chart) is mentioned by them, this is the > reason that there is no reference Navamsa bhava, Navamsa conjunctions or > Navamsa aspects on Navamsa bhava etc, vedic jyotish only suggests to > make table of Navamsas occupied by graha (planet) in a rashi of janma > kundali or natal chart and defines predictive attributes of planets > falling in those Navamsa or Amsas or set of degrees of named divisions > of same rashi as given in janma kundali or natal chart. > > It appears that sages were doing efforts to define predictive attributes > of each degree of a nakshatra and rashi, Sage Kashyap's describes Padas > of Nakschatras and also identifies a Yogtara in the tara's of Nakshtras, > His description of Nakshatras gives can give a corrective foundation to > Krishnamurti Padhati which looks to be deviated from the vedic path and > therefore loosing predictive lustre, Sage Shukadeva seems to be first > who gave idea of Mritu Bhaga, however, His proposition is largely > different then what's given in Jatak Parijata, Phaladeepika and Prashna > Marga. > > I was asked by groups members about the base of my posting, therefore > this confirmatory post is done. > > Classics by Sages : > > Sage Work > > Lomash Lomash Samhita (700 verses) > Vasistha Vasistha Samhita > Bhrigu Bhrigu Samhita, Bhrigu Sutra > Kashyap Atharvan Jyotiosh > Parashuram Bhargav Nadika > Shukdeva Shuka Jatakm > Parashara Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra > Badrayana Prashna Vidya > > Classics by Seers : > > Seer Work > > Satyacharya Satya jatak (Druva Nadi) > Bhaskaracharya Bhava Deepika > Ramanujacharya Bhavarh Ratnakar > > Tantra Classics : > > Lord Work > > Punja Raja Shambu Hora Prakash > Shiav - Parvati Jyotisharnav Navneetam > Shiva - Parvati Rudrayamal Tantra > > Nadi Classics : > > Deva Keralam by R Santhanam > Suka Nadi by R Santhanam > > Classics by Scholars : > > Scholar Work > > Prithu Vyasa Hora Sara > Venktesh Shastri Sarvarth Chintamani > Vaidyanath Jatak Parijaat > Kalyan Verman Sarawali > Kalidasa Uttar Kalamritam > Hema Prabhu Suri Triloka Jyotish (Jain Classic) > Dhundhiraj JatakBharanam > Jeevanath Bhava Kautuhalam > Balbhadra Mishra Hora Ratnam > Hara Shandilya ManSagri > Ramdina Daivagya Brihad Daivagya Ranjanam > Abdurahim Khan Khana Kheta Kautukam > Ram Dayalu Sanket Nidhi > Maha Dev pathak Jatak Tatva > Ram Rathna Ojha Phalit Vikas > Mukund Vallabh Mishra ShadVarga Phal Prakash > Mukund Daivagya Bhava Manjari, Phalit Martand > K N Sarawati Jatak Chandrika > > I have deliberately not studied VarahMihira' s work, I am open for any > discussion or debate on vedic view of Navamsa or any amsa or division. > > Utkal. > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > Neelam, > > > > 1. Mantras do work, mantras are one of the basic framework of our > religion, do not pass sweeping statements letting down truth and > religion. > > > > 2. If you know instances of your life when mantras have not worked, > you should have gone for knowing the reasons why you failed to see or > fail to realize working of mantra, did you do that. > > > > I have done that in my life. > > > > What i said about using navamsa is said by parashara, kalyan verma, > dhundhiraj,mantresw ara and several others. > > > > You decide whose astrology you follow - vedic seer's, classics and > morever an astrology based on true principles and flawless logic or you > follow errorneous practise done by those people who taught you astrology > in an institution. > > However, choice is yours, with vedic approach you won't do as many > mistakes as you do with current faulty approach. > > > > Why dont you verify both the approaches on cönfirmed authentic > birth data along with biography of some natives and come up with your > findings. > > > > Till then, don't do cribbing. > > > > Thanks, > > Utkal. > > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > Maybe - Kaliyuga is special! > > > DEMOcrazy arrives, but how? We just heard about the Democratic ways > of the > > > little TEAR DROP! > > > Not to forget, the place has special blessings of Buddha! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 10:19, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga! > > > > > > > > To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to speak > up and > > > > join their voices until democracy arrives! > > > > > > > > Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was > derogatorily > > > > called -- did? > > > > > > > > Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around > this very > > > > epoch many decades ago! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and > remedies > > > > have > > > > > not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise their > voice! > > > > > Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription > properly, or > > > > the > > > > > STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-( > > > > > > > > > > What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the > man-monies! > > > > > Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow > human > > > > beings, > > > > > to save the gullible ones from such tricksters? > > > > > > > > > > Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many > other ways in > > > > > KALIYUG! > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one > recourse > > > > > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe > proxy > > > > poojas. > > > > > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " . > > > > > > > > > > > > C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@<mouji99% > > > > 40> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come > up with > > > > this > > > > > > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when you > got the > > > > > > powers > > > > > > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact > that not > > > > all > > > > > > can > > > > > > > prescribe mantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr > regions " (for > > > > > > which > > > > > > > there is no astrological reason at all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for your " so called " " mundane " > > > > predictions > > > > > > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days can > predict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda' s death > because > > > > you > > > > > > knew > > > > > > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted with > hundreds > > > > of > > > > > > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you > would be > > > > made > > > > > > to > > > > > > > eat your words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show your > worth or > > > > else > > > > > > > show your ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still wishing good for you..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ <utkal.panigrahi % > > > > 40> > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi% 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > > > > > > > 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM > > > > > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > Divisional > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still do > a self > > > > study > > > > > > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of > reading. > > > > Whenever > > > > > > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it > as it > > > > suits > > > > > > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the > methods of > > > > Dr. > > > > > > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants, > but give > > > > no > > > > > > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in > perhaps 3 > > > > years, > > > > > > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by > spending their > > > > > > > entire life on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological > principles and > > > > not > > > > > > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote > about > > > > Swami > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I can > give you > > > > > > > charts where similar placements are present but the persons > are still > > > > > > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a > finger to > > > > your > > > > > > > heart and find out the reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM > > > > > > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > Divisional > > > > Charts > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of > phalit jyotish > > > > or > > > > > > > > predictive astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions > of 3.20 > > > > > > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 > degrees, > > > > each > > > > > > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by > 12 > > > > navamsas > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi > which is > > > > > > > mesha, > > > > > > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha > rashi's first > > > > > > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do > have > > > > predictive > > > > > > > > implications internal to the that rashi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis > within > > > > the > > > > > > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is > no way > > > > > > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, > Planets cast > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a > rashi > > > > receives > > > > > > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi > receives same > > > > > > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and > make a > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put > toghather, > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those > navamsas > > > > or > > > > > > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at > the time > > > > of > > > > > > > > birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees > having a > > > > > > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for > the ease of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are not > known, > > > > but, > > > > > > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, > Our sages > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they > only talked > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > division or amsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into > existence for the > > > > > > > ease > > > > > > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore > question of > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc > emerged. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and > other > > > > divisional > > > > > > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, > take a > > > > case, > > > > > > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of > simha (Leo), > > > > and > > > > > > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, > We w'd > > > > find > > > > > > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other > in Mesha, > > > > > > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna > chart, no > > > > > > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition > based on > > > > their > > > > > > > > conjunction is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, > It's a pity > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, > rushing > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should > > > > understand > > > > > > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa > occupied > > > > by > > > > > > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, > this is the > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other > divisions and > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or > other > > > > divisions, > > > > > > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of > NAVAMSA > > > > CHART > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further > confusions > > > > in > > > > > > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd > stop > > > > taking > > > > > > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or > Iyear's > > > > > > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner > of Jyotish > > > > as > > > > > > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Hi Rohini Does the database allow a vedic search or have you done that yourself with your own prog...I thought it only allowed tropical calcs, must revisit sometime! Thanks, interesting anaylsis, cheers M - rohinicrystal Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:04 AM Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Hi Marg, Didn't find this message (quoted below) so am responding to your more recent message. > ________________________________ > Marg <margie9 > > Sun, February 7, 2010 1:51:50 AM > Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS > > > I think that' a good idea Anna. > I have another chart with Taurus rising and Mars in tenth house Satabhisha nakshatra, and this person is also a surgeon working as a gynae. > It would be interesting to know if anyone has a chart of a surgeon without this placement of Mars? > ________________________________ Hope the following summary from Rodden database helps your research: >A category charts = 19995 Surgeons = 41 Taurus rising =2/41 Mars in X = 6/41 Mars in Shatabisha =0/41 All 3 above factors =0/41 (not surprising since Mars in Shatbisha =0) MARS in ANY RAHU Star = 5/41 Regards, Rohiniranjan , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Dear Manoj > Which asterism is Mars placed in, and where is it in you son's chart, and does your son have any placements in Satabhisha in his chart? > best wishes > Marg > - > Manoj Chandran > > Sunday, February 07, 2010 9:36 AM > Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS > > > > Dear Marg, Anna, > > I have Rahu in Satabhishak in my 4H and 8H from Moon. During Ve-Ra (Ve in 8H and aspected by Ra for those who take Rahu's trine aspects) my son was diagnosed with Autism, which is definitely a " difficult to diagnose/cure disorder " . So there is some truth to this. > > Regards, > -Manoj > > > ________________________________ > Marg <margie9 > > Sun, February 7, 2010 1:51:50 AM > Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS > > > I think that' a good idea Anna. > I have another chart with Taurus rising and Mars in tenth house Satabhisha nakshatra, and this person is also a surgeon working as a gynae. > It would be interesting to know if anyone has a chart of a surgeon without this placement of Mars? > > - > sar108 > > Saturday, February 06, 2010 6:08 PM > Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS > > Dear Marg, > > I've read something like that in books on nakshatra/maybe even Harness?/ but don't have them now /my recent moving to a new place/ > I am pretty sure though that someting along that line, 'difficult to cure, diagnose' thus 'one hundred physician needed- bcs > I I have rahu in Satabhishak /and it goes well with Rahu's deceptive nature/ > > Swati naksatra is one I find difficult to undestand fully. > Marg, your idea that we share med. charts and discuss here is great! why don't we start the ON NAKSATRAS thread, so that people can share those precious experiencial subtleties, that cannot be found in any book- like one you presented- which is hard to forget easily. > > So dear Listers, > can we unite for while for the sake of the common task? > Please share your experiences, your understanding of naksatras, et > > Good Luck to All! > Anna > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: > > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > Received: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:57 AM > > Dear Anna > I think Mars in Satabhisha indicates some surgical skill, though the rest of the chart has to be taken into consideration of course. I haven't done a comprehensive study so wouldn't know what other areas it would cover, but perhaps if others on the list have medical charts they could look up and share with us? > I haven't heard of the ''difficult to diagnose ''attributed to this nakshatra, it would be good if you could tell us more? > cheers > margie > > I > - > sar108 > > Friday, February 05, 2010 10:45 PM > Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > Dear Marg, > > I also wish we could keep reading simple- This example is a promising one, indeed! > > And Satabhishak Naks is really interesting- along with your rich experience! Would you see it covering medical profession in general, or just more invasive ones/branches/ cutting involved/?I think if Mars is in Satabhisha then likely there is some surgical skill > I find 'difficult to diagnose illness' some attribute to Satabhisak N. also very intriguing. Would you please share your view> > > Thanks, > Anna > > --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: > > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 4:55 PM > > Hello Anna > The two charts were identical if I remember correctly,, other than nakshatra placements and the jyotish in India said by sheer coincidence he had a chart similar to one I was reading. Although he said that his chart belonged to the gynae, I didn't read my chart as belonging to someone with so much professional discipline, so had to decided what was making the difference in outcome. I think the first thing was the dasa runs were slightly different but not vastly, but having done lots of charts for doctors and medically minded people I did know that satabhisha was important and so queried the placement of mars, to find it was different in the two charts. > My chart had Mars in Dhanishtha and certainly my client was more interested in chasing money as a financial consultant and advisor, than cutting people up! > Cheers > Margie > > - > sar108 > > Friday, February 05, 2010 9:34 PM > Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > Dear Marg and Utkal, > > Thank you for sharing. > The example you gave, Marg, is a very powerful point for Naks. use. > I am wondering if you've found some important /angular/ planet placement difference btw two charts as well? > I have seen that in many 'relocation' charts- I know you give some importance to 'astro*ch*gr' in readings- I guess you singled out naksatras importance for theoretical reasons, only? > > Utkal, what you are referring to /China's aggression/? > In terms of global security, recent Russia's announcement that NATO expansion is considered a threat to it's security, is /the only/ 'breaking news' I've heard of. > > Regards, > Anna > > S.A.R > > --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: > > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:20 AM > > Dear Utkal, > Yes it would be nice if more people shared insights and experience on jyotish techniques. > I'm not sure what the Chinese aggression is? > In the UK we are dealing with the former PM's aggressive war on Iraq when we are signed up to peace treaties, and he has been found to have deceived our Parliament over the reason for war, and then we have the MP's expense scandal keeping other affairs off the front pages. > Of course we all await the next election so we can do something about it, so not sure what is going on in China other than Google/CIA run having a big row with the country. > cheers > M > - > utkal.panigrahi > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:59 PM > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > Dear Marg, > > It's encouraging to know from you that nakshatra's implication is being > noticed, Hope ,group will regain it's lost lustre soon with scholarly > people's activism. > > How you think about europe's perception about impact of chinese stupid > agression. > > regards, > Utkal. > > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Utkal > > With reference to use of nakshatra > > I would like to contribute a little experience I had recently where > another astrologer had an identical chart to one I was reading, except > natives of both charts were born in different countries. > > My client had Mars in third house along with Rahu Ju and Ve in Kumbha > rasi, so did the other chart of a gynaecologist born in India. > > You would think my client would also be a gynaecologist due to same > chart, but it was the nakshatra placement of the planets that made the > essential difference to career choice, along with slight difference in > dasa sequence. My client did not have Mars ( mars ruling surgeons) L5/12 > in satabhisha the nakshatra for physicians, though both Venus and > Jupiter were in that nakshatra, whereas the gynaecologist did have mars > in satabhisha. > > So it would seem that the nakshatras are a useful guide to finding > additional information about how the planets will behave in rasi/real > life without the need to set up an additional chart to explain their > influence? > > cheers > > Marg > > > > - > > utkal.panigrahi > > > > Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:37 PM > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional > Charts & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to clarify that my post about Navamsa was based on study of > > following jyotish classics in my possession, None of the following > > classics mention divisional horoscopes or Amsha Kundali or Varga > kundali > > the way Janma Kundali (natal chart) is mentioned by them, this is the > > reason that there is no reference Navamsa bhava, Navamsa conjunctions > or > > Navamsa aspects on Navamsa bhava etc, vedic jyotish only suggests to > > make table of Navamsas occupied by graha (planet) in a rashi of janma > > kundali or natal chart and defines predictive attributes of planets > > falling in those Navamsa or Amsas or set of degrees of named divisions > > of same rashi as given in janma kundali or natal chart. > > > > It appears that sages were doing efforts to define predictive > attributes > > of each degree of a nakshatra and rashi, Sage Kashyap's describes > Padas > > of Nakschatras and also identifies a Yogtara in the tara's of > Nakshtras, > > His description of Nakshatras gives can give a corrective foundation > to > > Krishnamurti Padhati which looks to be deviated from the vedic path > and > > therefore loosing predictive lustre, Sage Shukadeva seems to be first > > who gave idea of Mritu Bhaga, however, His proposition is largely > > different then what's given in Jatak Parijata, Phaladeepika and > Prashna > > Marga. > > > > I was asked by groups members about the base of my posting, therefore > > this confirmatory post is done. > > > > Classics by Sages : > > > > Sage Work > > > > Lomash Lomash Samhita (700 verses) > > Vasistha Vasistha Samhita > > Bhrigu Bhrigu Samhita, Bhrigu Sutra > > Kashyap Atharvan Jyotiosh > > Parashuram Bhargav Nadika > > Shukdeva Shuka Jatakm > > Parashara Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra > > Badrayana Prashna Vidya > > > > Classics by Seers : > > > > Seer Work > > > > Satyacharya Satya jatak (Druva Nadi) > > Bhaskaracharya Bhava Deepika > > Ramanujacharya Bhavarh Ratnakar > > > > Tantra Classics : > > > > Lord Work > > > > Punja Raja Shambu Hora Prakash > > Shiav - Parvati Jyotisharnav Navneetam > > Shiva - Parvati Rudrayamal Tantra > > > > Nadi Classics : > > > > Deva Keralam by R Santhanam > > Suka Nadi by R Santhanam > > > > Classics by Scholars : > > > > Scholar Work > > > > Prithu Vyasa Hora Sara > > Venktesh Shastri Sarvarth Chintamani > > Vaidyanath Jatak Parijaat > > Kalyan Verman Sarawali > > Kalidasa Uttar Kalamritam > > Hema Prabhu Suri Triloka Jyotish (Jain Classic) > > Dhundhiraj JatakBharanam > > Jeevanath Bhava Kautuhalam > > Balbhadra Mishra Hora Ratnam > > Hara Shandilya ManSagri > > Ramdina Daivagya Brihad Daivagya Ranjanam > > Abdurahim Khan Khana Kheta Kautukam > > Ram Dayalu Sanket Nidhi > > Maha Dev pathak Jatak Tatva > > Ram Rathna Ojha Phalit Vikas > > Mukund Vallabh Mishra ShadVarga Phal Prakash > > Mukund Daivagya Bhava Manjari, Phalit Martand > > K N Sarawati Jatak Chandrika > > > > I have deliberately not studied VarahMihira' s work, I am open for any > > discussion or debate on vedic view of Navamsa or any amsa or division. > > > > Utkal. > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > 1. Mantras do work, mantras are one of the basic framework of our > > religion, do not pass sweeping statements letting down truth and > > religion. > > > > > > 2. If you know instances of your life when mantras have not worked, > > you should have gone for knowing the reasons why you failed to see or > > fail to realize working of mantra, did you do that. > > > > > > I have done that in my life. > > > > > > What i said about using navamsa is said by parashara, kalyan verma, > > dhundhiraj,mantresw ara and several others. > > > > > > You decide whose astrology you follow - vedic seer's, classics and > > morever an astrology based on true principles and flawless logic or > you > > follow errorneous practise done by those people who taught you > astrology > > in an institution. > > > However, choice is yours, with vedic approach you won't do as many > > mistakes as you do with current faulty approach. > > > > > > Why dont you verify both the approaches on cönfirmed authentic > > birth data along with biography of some natives and come up with your > > findings. > > > > > > Till then, don't do cribbing. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Utkal. > > > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Maybe - Kaliyuga is special! > > > > DEMOcrazy arrives, but how? We just heard about the Democratic > ways > > of the > > > > little TEAR DROP! > > > > Not to forget, the place has special blessings of Buddha! > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 10:19, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga! > > > > > > > > > > To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to > speak > > up and > > > > > join their voices until democracy arrives! > > > > > > > > > > Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was > > derogatorily > > > > > called -- did? > > > > > > > > > > Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around > > this very > > > > > epoch many decades ago! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and > > remedies > > > > > have > > > > > > not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise > their > > voice! > > > > > > Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription > > properly, or > > > > > the > > > > > > STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-( > > > > > > > > > > > > What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the > > man-monies! > > > > > > Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow > > human > > > > > beings, > > > > > > to save the gullible ones from such tricksters? > > > > > > > > > > > > Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many > > other ways in > > > > > > KALIYUG! > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one > > recourse > > > > > > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe > > proxy > > > > > poojas. > > > > > > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar > <mouji99@<mouji99% > > > > > 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come > > up with > > > > > this > > > > > > > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when > you > > got the > > > > > > > powers > > > > > > > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact > > that not > > > > > all > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > prescribe mantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr > > regions " (for > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > there is no astrological reason at all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for your " so called " > " mundane " > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days > can > > predict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda' s death > > because > > > > > you > > > > > > > knew > > > > > > > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted > with > > hundreds > > > > > of > > > > > > > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you > > would be > > > > > made > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > eat your words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show > your > > worth or > > > > > else > > > > > > > > show your ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still wishing good for you..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ <utkal.panigrahi % > > > > > 40> > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi% 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > > 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > > > > > > > > > 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > > Divisional > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still > do > > a self > > > > > study > > > > > > > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Kumar > <mouji99@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of > > reading. > > > > > Whenever > > > > > > > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook > it > > as it > > > > > suits > > > > > > > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the > > methods of > > > > > Dr. > > > > > > > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological > giants, > > but give > > > > > no > > > > > > > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in > > perhaps 3 > > > > > years, > > > > > > > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by > > spending their > > > > > > > > entire life on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological > > principles and > > > > > not > > > > > > > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote > > about > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I > can > > give you > > > > > > > > charts where similar placements are present but the > persons > > are still > > > > > > > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a > > finger to > > > > > your > > > > > > > > heart and find out the reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM > > > > > > > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > > Divisional > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ã, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of > > phalit jyotish > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > predictive astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions > > of 3.20 > > > > > > > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 > > degrees, > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by > > 12 > > > > > navamsas > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi > > which is > > > > > > > > mesha, > > > > > > > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha > > rashi's first > > > > > > > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do > > have > > > > > predictive > > > > > > > > > implications internal to the that rashi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 > rashis > > within > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa > is > > no way > > > > > > > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, > > Planets cast > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a > > rashi > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi > > receives same > > > > > > > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division > and > > make a > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put > > toghather, > > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those > > navamsas > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached > at > > the time > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 > degrees > > having a > > > > > > > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for > > the ease of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are > not > > known, > > > > > but, > > > > > > > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, > > Our sages > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they > > only talked > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > division or amsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into > > existence for the > > > > > > > > ease > > > > > > > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood > when > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore > > question of > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc > > emerged. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and > > other > > > > > divisional > > > > > > > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built > hazards, > > take a > > > > > case, > > > > > > > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of > > simha (Leo), > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), > now, > > We w'd > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each > other > > in Mesha, > > > > > > > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna > > chart, no > > > > > > > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition > > based on > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > conjunction is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, > > It's a pity > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the > fact, > > rushing > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they > should > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular > amsa > > occupied > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, > > this is the > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other > > divisions and > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or > > other > > > > > divisions, > > > > > > > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of > > NAVAMSA > > > > > CHART > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further > > confusions > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers > w'd > > stop > > > > > taking > > > > > > > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or > > Iyear's > > > > > > > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner > > of Jyotish > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Thanks for the reply Manoj cheers M - Manoj Chandran Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:07 AM Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Dear Marg, Rahu is in 3rd pada and Vargottam. No, my son has no planets in Satabhisha. Regards, -Manoj ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Mon, February 8, 2010 1:21:06 AM Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Dear Manoj Which asterism is Mars placed in, and where is it in you son's chart, and does your son have any placements in Satabhisha in his chart? best wishes Marg - Manoj Chandran Sunday, February 07, 2010 9:36 AM Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Dear Marg, Anna, I have Rahu in Satabhishak in my 4H and 8H from Moon. During Ve-Ra (Ve in 8H and aspected by Ra for those who take Rahu's trine aspects) my son was diagnosed with Autism, which is definitely a " difficult to diagnose/cure disorder " . So there is some truth to this. Regards, -Manoj ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Sun, February 7, 2010 1:51:50 AM Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS I think that' a good idea Anna. I have another chart with Taurus rising and Mars in tenth house Satabhisha nakshatra, and this person is also a surgeon working as a gynae. It would be interesting to know if anyone has a chart of a surgeon without this placement of Mars? - sar108 Saturday, February 06, 2010 6:08 PM Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS Dear Marg, I've read something like that in books on nakshatra/maybe even Harness?/ but don't have them now /my recent moving to a new place/ I am pretty sure though that someting along that line, 'difficult to cure, diagnose' thus 'one hundred physician needed- bcs I I have rahu in Satabhishak /and it goes well with Rahu's deceptive nature/ Swati naksatra is one I find difficult to undestand fully. Marg, your idea that we share med. charts and discuss here is great! why don't we start the ON NAKSATRAS thread, so that people can share those precious experiencial subtleties, that cannot be found in any book- like one you presented- which is hard to forget easily. So dear Listers, can we unite for while for the sake of the common task? Please share your experiences, your understanding of naksatras, et Good Luck to All! Anna --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:57 AM Dear Anna I think Mars in Satabhisha indicates some surgical skill, though the rest of the chart has to be taken into consideration of course. I haven't done a comprehensive study so wouldn't know what other areas it would cover, but perhaps if others on the list have medical charts they could look up and share with us? I haven't heard of the ''difficult to diagnose ''attributed to this nakshatra, it would be good if you could tell us more? cheers margie I - sar108 Friday, February 05, 2010 10:45 PM Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg, I also wish we could keep reading simple- This example is a promising one, indeed! And Satabhishak Naks is really interesting- along with your rich experience! Would you see it covering medical profession in general, or just more invasive ones/branches/ cutting involved/?I think if Mars is in Satabhisha then likely there is some surgical skill I find 'difficult to diagnose illness' some attribute to Satabhisak N. also very intriguing. Would you please share your view> Thanks, Anna --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 4:55 PM Hello Anna The two charts were identical if I remember correctly,, other than nakshatra placements and the jyotish in India said by sheer coincidence he had a chart similar to one I was reading. Although he said that his chart belonged to the gynae, I didn't read my chart as belonging to someone with so much professional discipline, so had to decided what was making the difference in outcome. I think the first thing was the dasa runs were slightly different but not vastly, but having done lots of charts for doctors and medically minded people I did know that satabhisha was important and so queried the placement of mars, to find it was different in the two charts. My chart had Mars in Dhanishtha and certainly my client was more interested in chasing money as a financial consultant and advisor, than cutting people up! Cheers Margie - sar108 Friday, February 05, 2010 9:34 PM Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg and Utkal, Thank you for sharing. The example you gave, Marg, is a very powerful point for Naks. use. I am wondering if you've found some important /angular/ planet placement difference btw two charts as well? I have seen that in many 'relocation' charts- I know you give some importance to 'astro*ch*gr' in readings- I guess you singled out naksatras importance for theoretical reasons, only? Utkal, what you are referring to /China's aggression/? In terms of global security, recent Russia's announcement that NATO expansion is considered a threat to it's security, is /the only/ 'breaking news' I've heard of. Regards, Anna S.A.R --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:20 AM Dear Utkal, Yes it would be nice if more people shared insights and experience on jyotish techniques. I'm not sure what the Chinese aggression is? In the UK we are dealing with the former PM's aggressive war on Iraq when we are signed up to peace treaties, and he has been found to have deceived our Parliament over the reason for war, and then we have the MP's expense scandal keeping other affairs off the front pages. Of course we all await the next election so we can do something about it, so not sure what is going on in China other than Google/CIA run having a big row with the country. cheers M - utkal.panigrahi Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:59 PM Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions Dear Marg, It's encouraging to know from you that nakshatra's implication is being noticed, Hope ,group will regain it's lost lustre soon with scholarly people's activism. How you think about europe's perception about impact of chinese stupid agression. regards, Utkal. , " Marg " <margie9 > wrote: > > Dear Utkal > With reference to use of nakshatra > I would like to contribute a little experience I had recently where another astrologer had an identical chart to one I was reading, except natives of both charts were born in different countries. > My client had Mars in third house along with Rahu Ju and Ve in Kumbha rasi, so did the other chart of a gynaecologist born in India. > You would think my client would also be a gynaecologist due to same chart, but it was the nakshatra placement of the planets that made the essential difference to career choice, along with slight difference in dasa sequence. My client did not have Mars ( mars ruling surgeons) L5/12 in satabhisha the nakshatra for physicians, though both Venus and Jupiter were in that nakshatra, whereas the gynaecologist did have mars in satabhisha. > So it would seem that the nakshatras are a useful guide to finding additional information about how the planets will behave in rasi/real life without the need to set up an additional chart to explain their influence? > cheers > Marg > > - > utkal.panigrahi > > Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:37 PM > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > > > > > I wish to clarify that my post about Navamsa was based on study of > following jyotish classics in my possession, None of the following > classics mention divisional horoscopes or Amsha Kundali or Varga kundali > the way Janma Kundali (natal chart) is mentioned by them, this is the > reason that there is no reference Navamsa bhava, Navamsa conjunctions or > Navamsa aspects on Navamsa bhava etc, vedic jyotish only suggests to > make table of Navamsas occupied by graha (planet) in a rashi of janma > kundali or natal chart and defines predictive attributes of planets > falling in those Navamsa or Amsas or set of degrees of named divisions > of same rashi as given in janma kundali or natal chart. > > It appears that sages were doing efforts to define predictive attributes > of each degree of a nakshatra and rashi, Sage Kashyap's describes Padas > of Nakschatras and also identifies a Yogtara in the tara's of Nakshtras, > His description of Nakshatras gives can give a corrective foundation to > Krishnamurti Padhati which looks to be deviated from the vedic path and > therefore loosing predictive lustre, Sage Shukadeva seems to be first > who gave idea of Mritu Bhaga, however, His proposition is largely > different then what's given in Jatak Parijata, Phaladeepika and Prashna > Marga. > > I was asked by groups members about the base of my posting, therefore > this confirmatory post is done. > > Classics by Sages : > > Sage Work > > Lomash Lomash Samhita (700 verses) > Vasistha Vasistha Samhita > Bhrigu Bhrigu Samhita, Bhrigu Sutra > Kashyap Atharvan Jyotiosh > Parashuram Bhargav Nadika > Shukdeva Shuka Jatakm > Parashara Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra > Badrayana Prashna Vidya > > Classics by Seers : > > Seer Work > > Satyacharya Satya jatak (Druva Nadi) > Bhaskaracharya Bhava Deepika > Ramanujacharya Bhavarh Ratnakar > > Tantra Classics : > > Lord Work > > Punja Raja Shambu Hora Prakash > Shiav - Parvati Jyotisharnav Navneetam > Shiva - Parvati Rudrayamal Tantra > > Nadi Classics : > > Deva Keralam by R Santhanam > Suka Nadi by R Santhanam > > Classics by Scholars : > > Scholar Work > > Prithu Vyasa Hora Sara > Venktesh Shastri Sarvarth Chintamani > Vaidyanath Jatak Parijaat > Kalyan Verman Sarawali > Kalidasa Uttar Kalamritam > Hema Prabhu Suri Triloka Jyotish (Jain Classic) > Dhundhiraj JatakBharanam > Jeevanath Bhava Kautuhalam > Balbhadra Mishra Hora Ratnam > Hara Shandilya ManSagri > Ramdina Daivagya Brihad Daivagya Ranjanam > Abdurahim Khan Khana Kheta Kautukam > Ram Dayalu Sanket Nidhi > Maha Dev pathak Jatak Tatva > Ram Rathna Ojha Phalit Vikas > Mukund Vallabh Mishra ShadVarga Phal Prakash > Mukund Daivagya Bhava Manjari, Phalit Martand > K N Sarawati Jatak Chandrika > > I have deliberately not studied VarahMihira' s work, I am open for any > discussion or debate on vedic view of Navamsa or any amsa or division. > > Utkal. > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > Neelam, > > > > 1. Mantras do work, mantras are one of the basic framework of our > religion, do not pass sweeping statements letting down truth and > religion. > > > > 2. If you know instances of your life when mantras have not worked, > you should have gone for knowing the reasons why you failed to see or > fail to realize working of mantra, did you do that. > > > > I have done that in my life. > > > > What i said about using navamsa is said by parashara, kalyan verma, > dhundhiraj,mantresw ara and several others. > > > > You decide whose astrology you follow - vedic seer's, classics and > morever an astrology based on true principles and flawless logic or you > follow errorneous practise done by those people who taught you astrology > in an institution. > > However, choice is yours, with vedic approach you won't do as many > mistakes as you do with current faulty approach. > > > > Why dont you verify both the approaches on cönfirmed authentic > birth data along with biography of some natives and come up with your > findings. > > > > Till then, don't do cribbing. > > > > Thanks, > > Utkal. > > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > Maybe - Kaliyuga is special! > > > DEMOcrazy arrives, but how? We just heard about the Democratic ways > of the > > > little TEAR DROP! > > > Not to forget, the place has special blessings of Buddha! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 10:19, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga! > > > > > > > > To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to speak > up and > > > > join their voices until democracy arrives! > > > > > > > > Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was > derogatorily > > > > called -- did? > > > > > > > > Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around > this very > > > > epoch many decades ago! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and > remedies > > > > have > > > > > not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise their > voice! > > > > > Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription > properly, or > > > > the > > > > > STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-( > > > > > > > > > > What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the > man-monies! > > > > > Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow > human > > > > beings, > > > > > to save the gullible ones from such tricksters? > > > > > > > > > > Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many > other ways in > > > > > KALIYUG! > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one > recourse > > > > > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe > proxy > > > > poojas. > > > > > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " . > > > > > > > > > > > > C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@<mouji99% > > > > 40> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come > up with > > > > this > > > > > > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when you > got the > > > > > > powers > > > > > > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact > that not > > > > all > > > > > > can > > > > > > > prescribe mantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr > regions " (for > > > > > > which > > > > > > > there is no astrological reason at all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for your " so called " " mundane " > > > > predictions > > > > > > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days can > predict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda' s death > because > > > > you > > > > > > knew > > > > > > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted with > hundreds > > > > of > > > > > > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you > would be > > > > made > > > > > > to > > > > > > > eat your words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show your > worth or > > > > else > > > > > > > show your ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still wishing good for you..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ <utkal.panigrahi % > > > > 40> > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi% 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > > > > > > > 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM > > > > > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > Divisional > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still do > a self > > > > study > > > > > > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of > reading. > > > > Whenever > > > > > > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook it > as it > > > > suits > > > > > > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the > methods of > > > > Dr. > > > > > > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological giants, > but give > > > > no > > > > > > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in > perhaps 3 > > > > years, > > > > > > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by > spending their > > > > > > > entire life on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological > principles and > > > > not > > > > > > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote > about > > > > Swami > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I can > give you > > > > > > > charts where similar placements are present but the persons > are still > > > > > > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a > finger to > > > > your > > > > > > > heart and find out the reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM > > > > > > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > Divisional > > > > Charts > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of > phalit jyotish > > > > or > > > > > > > > predictive astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions > of 3.20 > > > > > > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 > degrees, > > > > each > > > > > > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by > 12 > > > > navamsas > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi > which is > > > > > > > mesha, > > > > > > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha > rashi's first > > > > > > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do > have > > > > predictive > > > > > > > > implications internal to the that rashi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis > within > > > > the > > > > > > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is > no way > > > > > > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, > Planets cast > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a > rashi > > > > receives > > > > > > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi > receives same > > > > > > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and > make a > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put > toghather, > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those > navamsas > > > > or > > > > > > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at > the time > > > > of > > > > > > > > birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees > having a > > > > > > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for > the ease of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are not > known, > > > > but, > > > > > > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, > Our sages > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they > only talked > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > division or amsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into > existence for the > > > > > > > ease > > > > > > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood when > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore > question of > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc > emerged. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and > other > > > > divisional > > > > > > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built hazards, > take a > > > > case, > > > > > > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of > simha (Leo), > > > > and > > > > > > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), now, > We w'd > > > > find > > > > > > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other > in Mesha, > > > > > > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna > chart, no > > > > > > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition > based on > > > > their > > > > > > > > conjunction is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, > It's a pity > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the fact, > rushing > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they should > > > > understand > > > > > > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular amsa > occupied > > > > by > > > > > > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, > this is the > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other > divisions and > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or > other > > > > divisions, > > > > > > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of > NAVAMSA > > > > CHART > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further > confusions > > > > in > > > > > > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd > stop > > > > taking > > > > > > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or > Iyear's > > > > > > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner > of Jyotish > > > > as > > > > > > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Yes to vedic, no to search by other program. I used the program as is. RR_, , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Hi Rohini > Does the database allow a vedic search or have you done that yourself with your own prog...I thought it only allowed tropical calcs, must revisit sometime! > Thanks, interesting anaylsis, > cheers > M > > - > rohinicrystal > > Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:04 AM > Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS > > > > Hi Marg, > > Didn't find this message (quoted below) so am responding to your more recent message. > > ________________________________ > > Marg <margie9@> > > > > Sun, February 7, 2010 1:51:50 AM > > Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS > > > > > > I think that' a good idea Anna. > > I have another chart with Taurus rising and Mars in tenth house Satabhisha nakshatra, and this person is also a surgeon working as a gynae. > > It would be interesting to know if anyone has a chart of a surgeon without this placement of Mars? > > > ________________________________ > > Hope the following summary from Rodden database helps your research: > > >A category charts = 19995 > Surgeons = 41 > Taurus rising =2/41 > Mars in X = 6/41 > Mars in Shatabisha =0/41 > All 3 above factors =0/41 (not surprising since Mars in Shatbisha =0) > MARS in ANY RAHU Star = 5/41 > > Regards, > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > Dear Manoj > > Which asterism is Mars placed in, and where is it in you son's chart, and does your son have any placements in Satabhisha in his chart? > > best wishes > > Marg > > - > > Manoj Chandran > > > > Sunday, February 07, 2010 9:36 AM > > Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS > > > > > > > > Dear Marg, Anna, > > > > I have Rahu in Satabhishak in my 4H and 8H from Moon. During Ve-Ra (Ve in 8H and aspected by Ra for those who take Rahu's trine aspects) my son was diagnosed with Autism, which is definitely a " difficult to diagnose/cure disorder " . So there is some truth to this. > > > > Regards, > > -Manoj > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Marg <margie9@> > > > > Sun, February 7, 2010 1:51:50 AM > > Re: Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS > > > > > > I think that' a good idea Anna. > > I have another chart with Taurus rising and Mars in tenth house Satabhisha nakshatra, and this person is also a surgeon working as a gynae. > > It would be interesting to know if anyone has a chart of a surgeon without this placement of Mars? > > > > - > > sar108 > > > > Saturday, February 06, 2010 6:08 PM > > Marg/ON NAKSHATRAS > > > > Dear Marg, > > > > I've read something like that in books on nakshatra/maybe even Harness?/ but don't have them now /my recent moving to a new place/ > > I am pretty sure though that someting along that line, 'difficult to cure, diagnose' thus 'one hundred physician needed- bcs > > I I have rahu in Satabhishak /and it goes well with Rahu's deceptive nature/ > > > > Swati naksatra is one I find difficult to undestand fully. > > Marg, your idea that we share med. charts and discuss here is great! why don't we start the ON NAKSATRAS thread, so that people can share those precious experiencial subtleties, that cannot be found in any book- like one you presented- which is hard to forget easily. > > > > So dear Listers, > > can we unite for while for the sake of the common task? > > Please share your experiences, your understanding of naksatras, et > > > > Good Luck to All! > > Anna > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: > > > > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > > Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > > > Received: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:57 AM > > > > Dear Anna > > I think Mars in Satabhisha indicates some surgical skill, though the rest of the chart has to be taken into consideration of course. I haven't done a comprehensive study so wouldn't know what other areas it would cover, but perhaps if others on the list have medical charts they could look up and share with us? > > I haven't heard of the ''difficult to diagnose ''attributed to this nakshatra, it would be good if you could tell us more? > > cheers > > margie > > > > I > > - > > sar108 > > > > Friday, February 05, 2010 10:45 PM > > Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > > > Dear Marg, > > > > I also wish we could keep reading simple- This example is a promising one, indeed! > > > > And Satabhishak Naks is really interesting- along with your rich experience! Would you see it covering medical profession in general, or just more invasive ones/branches/ cutting involved/?I think if Mars is in Satabhisha then likely there is some surgical skill > > I find 'difficult to diagnose illness' some attribute to Satabhisak N. also very intriguing. Would you please share your view> > > > > Thanks, > > Anna > > > > --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: > > > > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > > Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > > > Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 4:55 PM > > > > Hello Anna > > The two charts were identical if I remember correctly,, other than nakshatra placements and the jyotish in India said by sheer coincidence he had a chart similar to one I was reading. Although he said that his chart belonged to the gynae, I didn't read my chart as belonging to someone with so much professional discipline, so had to decided what was making the difference in outcome. I think the first thing was the dasa runs were slightly different but not vastly, but having done lots of charts for doctors and medically minded people I did know that satabhisha was important and so queried the placement of mars, to find it was different in the two charts. > > My chart had Mars in Dhanishtha and certainly my client was more interested in chasing money as a financial consultant and advisor, than cutting people up! > > Cheers > > Margie > > > > - > > sar108 > > > > Friday, February 05, 2010 9:34 PM > > Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > > > Dear Marg and Utkal, > > > > Thank you for sharing. > > The example you gave, Marg, is a very powerful point for Naks. use. > > I am wondering if you've found some important /angular/ planet placement difference btw two charts as well? > > I have seen that in many 'relocation' charts- I know you give some importance to 'astro*ch*gr' in readings- I guess you singled out naksatras importance for theoretical reasons, only? > > > > Utkal, what you are referring to /China's aggression/? > > In terms of global security, recent Russia's announcement that NATO expansion is considered a threat to it's security, is /the only/ 'breaking news' I've heard of. > > > > Regards, > > Anna > > > > S.A.R > > > > --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> wrote: > > > > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > > Re: Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > > > Received: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:20 AM > > > > Dear Utkal, > > Yes it would be nice if more people shared insights and experience on jyotish techniques. > > I'm not sure what the Chinese aggression is? > > In the UK we are dealing with the former PM's aggressive war on Iraq when we are signed up to peace treaties, and he has been found to have deceived our Parliament over the reason for war, and then we have the MP's expense scandal keeping other affairs off the front pages. > > Of course we all await the next election so we can do something about it, so not sure what is going on in China other than Google/CIA run having a big row with the country. > > cheers > > M > > - > > utkal.panigrahi > > > > Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:59 PM > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional Charts & Today's Confusions > > > > Dear Marg, > > > > It's encouraging to know from you that nakshatra's implication is being > > noticed, Hope ,group will regain it's lost lustre soon with scholarly > > people's activism. > > > > How you think about europe's perception about impact of chinese stupid > > agression. > > > > regards, > > Utkal. > > > > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Utkal > > > With reference to use of nakshatra > > > I would like to contribute a little experience I had recently where > > another astrologer had an identical chart to one I was reading, except > > natives of both charts were born in different countries. > > > My client had Mars in third house along with Rahu Ju and Ve in Kumbha > > rasi, so did the other chart of a gynaecologist born in India. > > > You would think my client would also be a gynaecologist due to same > > chart, but it was the nakshatra placement of the planets that made the > > essential difference to career choice, along with slight difference in > > dasa sequence. My client did not have Mars ( mars ruling surgeons) L5/12 > > in satabhisha the nakshatra for physicians, though both Venus and > > Jupiter were in that nakshatra, whereas the gynaecologist did have mars > > in satabhisha. > > > So it would seem that the nakshatras are a useful guide to finding > > additional information about how the planets will behave in rasi/real > > life without the need to set up an additional chart to explain their > > influence? > > > cheers > > > Marg > > > > > > - > > > utkal.panigrahi > > > > > > Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:37 PM > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and Divisional > > Charts & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to clarify that my post about Navamsa was based on study of > > > following jyotish classics in my possession, None of the following > > > classics mention divisional horoscopes or Amsha Kundali or Varga > > kundali > > > the way Janma Kundali (natal chart) is mentioned by them, this is the > > > reason that there is no reference Navamsa bhava, Navamsa conjunctions > > or > > > Navamsa aspects on Navamsa bhava etc, vedic jyotish only suggests to > > > make table of Navamsas occupied by graha (planet) in a rashi of janma > > > kundali or natal chart and defines predictive attributes of planets > > > falling in those Navamsa or Amsas or set of degrees of named divisions > > > of same rashi as given in janma kundali or natal chart. > > > > > > It appears that sages were doing efforts to define predictive > > attributes > > > of each degree of a nakshatra and rashi, Sage Kashyap's describes > > Padas > > > of Nakschatras and also identifies a Yogtara in the tara's of > > Nakshtras, > > > His description of Nakshatras gives can give a corrective foundation > > to > > > Krishnamurti Padhati which looks to be deviated from the vedic path > > and > > > therefore loosing predictive lustre, Sage Shukadeva seems to be first > > > who gave idea of Mritu Bhaga, however, His proposition is largely > > > different then what's given in Jatak Parijata, Phaladeepika and > > Prashna > > > Marga. > > > > > > I was asked by groups members about the base of my posting, therefore > > > this confirmatory post is done. > > > > > > Classics by Sages : > > > > > > Sage Work > > > > > > Lomash Lomash Samhita (700 verses) > > > Vasistha Vasistha Samhita > > > Bhrigu Bhrigu Samhita, Bhrigu Sutra > > > Kashyap Atharvan Jyotiosh > > > Parashuram Bhargav Nadika > > > Shukdeva Shuka Jatakm > > > Parashara Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra > > > Badrayana Prashna Vidya > > > > > > Classics by Seers : > > > > > > Seer Work > > > > > > Satyacharya Satya jatak (Druva Nadi) > > > Bhaskaracharya Bhava Deepika > > > Ramanujacharya Bhavarh Ratnakar > > > > > > Tantra Classics : > > > > > > Lord Work > > > > > > Punja Raja Shambu Hora Prakash > > > Shiav - Parvati Jyotisharnav Navneetam > > > Shiva - Parvati Rudrayamal Tantra > > > > > > Nadi Classics : > > > > > > Deva Keralam by R Santhanam > > > Suka Nadi by R Santhanam > > > > > > Classics by Scholars : > > > > > > Scholar Work > > > > > > Prithu Vyasa Hora Sara > > > Venktesh Shastri Sarvarth Chintamani > > > Vaidyanath Jatak Parijaat > > > Kalyan Verman Sarawali > > > Kalidasa Uttar Kalamritam > > > Hema Prabhu Suri Triloka Jyotish (Jain Classic) > > > Dhundhiraj JatakBharanam > > > Jeevanath Bhava Kautuhalam > > > Balbhadra Mishra Hora Ratnam > > > Hara Shandilya ManSagri > > > Ramdina Daivagya Brihad Daivagya Ranjanam > > > Abdurahim Khan Khana Kheta Kautukam > > > Ram Dayalu Sanket Nidhi > > > Maha Dev pathak Jatak Tatva > > > Ram Rathna Ojha Phalit Vikas > > > Mukund Vallabh Mishra ShadVarga Phal Prakash > > > Mukund Daivagya Bhava Manjari, Phalit Martand > > > K N Sarawati Jatak Chandrika > > > > > > I have deliberately not studied VarahMihira' s work, I am open for any > > > discussion or debate on vedic view of Navamsa or any amsa or division. > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Neelam, > > > > > > > > 1. Mantras do work, mantras are one of the basic framework of our > > > religion, do not pass sweeping statements letting down truth and > > > religion. > > > > > > > > 2. If you know instances of your life when mantras have not worked, > > > you should have gone for knowing the reasons why you failed to see or > > > fail to realize working of mantra, did you do that. > > > > > > > > I have done that in my life. > > > > > > > > What i said about using navamsa is said by parashara, kalyan verma, > > > dhundhiraj,mantresw ara and several others. > > > > > > > > You decide whose astrology you follow - vedic seer's, classics and > > > morever an astrology based on true principles and flawless logic or > > you > > > follow errorneous practise done by those people who taught you > > astrology > > > in an institution. > > > > However, choice is yours, with vedic approach you won't do as many > > > mistakes as you do with current faulty approach. > > > > > > > > Why dont you verify both the approaches on cönfirmed authentic > > > birth data along with biography of some natives and come up with your > > > findings. > > > > > > > > Till then, don't do cribbing. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Utkal. > > > > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Maybe - Kaliyuga is special! > > > > > DEMOcrazy arrives, but how? We just heard about the Democratic > > ways > > > of the > > > > > little TEAR DROP! > > > > > Not to forget, the place has special blessings of Buddha! > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 10:19, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe -- that was what MA intended for Kaliyuga! > > > > > > > > > > > > To raise the voice so that others become aware and begin to > > speak > > > up and > > > > > > join their voices until democracy arrives! > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't that what that " little sparrow-like Fakir " , as he was > > > derogatorily > > > > > > called -- did? > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, like other Doves of Peace, HE was shot down oh around > > > this very > > > > > > epoch many decades ago! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com>, > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There have been instances when even such mantras, poojas and > > > remedies > > > > > > have > > > > > > > not worked! And sometimes poor victims have dared to raise > > their > > > voice! > > > > > > > Only to be told that they DID NOT follow the prescription > > > properly, or > > > > > > the > > > > > > > STONE they used was faulty, not good, etc., etc. !!:-( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What of the wasted manpower and manhours! Not to count the > > > man-monies! > > > > > > > Is it not our duty, even if not as astrologers, but as fellow > > > human > > > > > > beings, > > > > > > > to save the gullible ones from such tricksters? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why sell crap in the name of jyotish? Surely there are many > > > other ways in > > > > > > > KALIYUG! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 07:04, C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When so called techniques are not working, there is only one > > > recourse > > > > > > > > available in astrology is prescribing Mantras or prescribe > > > proxy > > > > > > poojas. > > > > > > > > You do not know this. Hence you are " ignored " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Manoj Kumar > > <mouji99@<mouji99% > > > > > > 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is simple. When you do not have answers you simply come > > > up with > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > " you are ignored " " chant gayatri mantra " and since when > > you > > > got the > > > > > > > > powers > > > > > > > > > to prescribe mantras. I hope you must be aware of the fact > > > that not > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > prescribe mantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never explained the logic for " getting a job in ncr > > > regions " (for > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > there is no astrological reason at all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for your " so called " > > " mundane " > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > which any knowledgeable reader of news papers these days > > can > > > predict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You never answered the logic for Swami Vivekananda' s death > > > because > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > knew > > > > > > > > > the moment you open your mouth you would be confronted > > with > > > hundreds > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > similar charts where such combinations are present and you > > > would be > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > eat your words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you choose a simple way out " you are ignored " . Show > > your > > > worth or > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > show your ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still wishing good for you..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ <utkal.panigrahi % > > > > > > 40> > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi% 40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > > > 40. com><JyotishGrou p% > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 9:32:51 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are ignored because of your attitude, you can still > > do > > > a self > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > and chant gayatri mantra for better understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Kumar > > <mouji99@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Utkal Panigrahi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You only prophesise and never come with any kind of > > > reading. > > > > > > Whenever > > > > > > > > > a question is asked to you, you simply choose to overlook > > it > > > as it > > > > > > suits > > > > > > > > > your needs. You in this particular mail write about the > > > methods of > > > > > > Dr. > > > > > > > > > B.V. Raman or methods of Shri K.N. Rao, astrological > > giants, > > > but give > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > example to justify your claims of knowledge gained in > > > perhaps 3 > > > > > > years, > > > > > > > > > compared to the knowledge gained by these gentlemen by > > > spending their > > > > > > > > > entire life on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are here to discuss astrology and astrological > > > principles and > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > for hearing out rantings with no substatiations. You wrote > > > about > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s short life by citing a particular case. I > > can > > > give you > > > > > > > > > charts where similar placements are present but the > > persons > > > are still > > > > > > > > > alive. So, before, you point fingers at others, point a > > > finger to > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > heart and find out the reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, January 30, 2010 1:53:36 AM > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Concept Of Navamsa and > > > Divisional > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > & Today's Confusions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ã, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of > > > phalit jyotish > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > predictive astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions > > > of 3.20 > > > > > > > > > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 > > > degrees, > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by > > > 12 > > > > > > navamsas > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi > > > which is > > > > > > > > > mesha, > > > > > > > > > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha > > > rashi's first > > > > > > > > > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do > > > have > > > > > > predictive > > > > > > > > > > implications internal to the that rashi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 > > rashis > > > within > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa > > is > > > no way > > > > > > > > > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, > > > Planets cast > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a > > > rashi > > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi > > > receives same > > > > > > > > > > aspect,aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division > > and > > > make a > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > we get easier visualization of all the navamsas put > > > toghather, > > > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > > > chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of those > > > navamsas > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached > > at > > > the time > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As said earlier, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 > > degrees > > > having a > > > > > > > > > > planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for > > > the ease of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > astrologers only, who started such division charts are > > not > > > known, > > > > > > but, > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing like navmasa chart or divisional chart, > > > Our sages > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they > > > only talked > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > division or amsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into > > > existence for the > > > > > > > > > ease > > > > > > > > > > of the astrologers over the period are misunderstood > > when > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > started them taking as seperate charts and therefore > > > question of > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > and conjunction in Navamsa or Divisional charts etc > > > emerged. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and > > > other > > > > > > divisional > > > > > > > > > > charts are ok, but, they have their own in built > > hazards, > > > take a > > > > > > case, > > > > > > > > > > suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of > > > simha (Leo), > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > mars is placed in mesha navamsa of Vrisabha (Taurus), > > now, > > > We w'd > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each > > other > > > in Mesha, > > > > > > > > > > whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna > > > chart, no > > > > > > > > > > conjunction at all, In such a case our interpretition > > > based on > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > conjunction is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, such divisional charts turn misleading, > > > It's a pity > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > some brilliant astrologers are being ignorent of the > > fact, > > > rushing > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > and more towards Navamsa or Divisional charts, they > > should > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > > predictive implication of Nav-Amsa or any particular > > amsa > > > occupied > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > planet, otherwise, whole excercise w'd turn to fallacy, > > > this is the > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > reason,our sages talked about only navamsas or other > > > divisions and > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or > > > other > > > > > > divisions, > > > > > > > > > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of > > > NAVAMSA > > > > > > CHART > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further > > > confusions > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > making predictions like most astrologers are having > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers > > w'd > > > stop > > > > > > taking > > > > > > > > > > navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or > > > Iyear's > > > > > > > > > > manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa in navamsa's manner > > > of Jyotish > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > stated by sages, however, it depends on them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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