Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Dear VIshal,  Swami Viveka Nanad means it would have impossible for Swamiji to get inclined for Moksha if he would have Dhanu Lagna.  Only 12th house in rasi chart is never a complete indication of something so powerful as Moksha. One has to see Vimsamsa. I have seen people with excellent 12th houses who are million miles away from spirituality or any moksha.  Iccha mrityu is something so high up that normal jyotish analysis of basic 12th house etc are not sufficient. Infact most of us in this forum do have the necessary level of jyotish expertise to predict from a chart if a person can acquire iccha mrityu or not. Lord of 12'th, Ma again malefic and in strenth so again 12'th house very malefic.Ancient classics doesnt support this as good for inclination towards Moksha.  Moksha is not only 12th house in Rasi. It also included Vimsamsa and other factors probably.  Whereas with Dhanu lagna, and sun in it (born on a sunday, Ak is Sun) shows a very majestic personality, exactly like Swami Vivekanada had.  With Makara lagna he will have venus and merc in lagna, which cannot make a " leonine " personality by any stretch of imagination.  If we take Dhanu Lagna then 7'th lord is with Ve so it supports marriage.  And Ra is in 12'th so it supports that he should be high class of immoral but it was not like that.But in case of Makar Lagna, Ra will go to 11'th, it shows he should have many foreign friends and he was having many. But if we take Makar Lagna then 7'th lord Mo is with Sa so it shows denial of mariage.   When a person has sanyasa yogas in chart, marriage indications get cancelled out. He has a very powerful sanyasa yoga. Shani with moon, and moon in shani's drekkana. That saturn moon combination in kanya has rasi dristi on mithun (7th house from Dhanu), thus further negating any desire for marriage.  With Makara lagna he will have venus and mercury in lagna. Venus will have direct dristi on his 7th house and that is a more potent combination for marriage.  -Regards  Rajarshi    Rama Naama Satya Hai.. --- On Wed, 10/2/10, Vishal Kohli <vkohli38 wrote: Vishal Kohli <vkohli38 Divine Revealation - Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time Wednesday, 10 February, 2010, 6:42 PM  Dear Folks, I think this issue of fixing lagna of Swamiji is very interestng and it attracted me to give my inputs. I would like to shed some light over Makar Lagna Chart and Dhanur Lagna Chart of Swami Ji. Most important thing to see in his chart is the study of 12'th house - If one take Dhanu as lagna then 12'th house is very much afflicted - 1) 12'th house is having Rahu 2) Sa is giving aspect over it in 12'th. 3) Ma is giving aspect over 12'th house. Three malefics aspecting 12'th house, now one may imagine about the 'Iccha Mrityu' of Swami Viveka Nanad means it would have impossible for Swamiji to get inclined for Moksha if he would have Dhanu Lagna. Lord of 12'th, Ma again malefic and in strenth so again 12'th house very malefic.Ancient classics doesnt support this as good for inclination towards Moksha. Ancient classics dont support from above points that this should be horoscope(Dhanu Lagna) of one great Swami. If one take Makar Lagna :- 1) 12'th would be having Su, so he wander around the world. 2) Lord of 12'th, Jupiter and it goes to tenth and it aspects 2'nd house, nice yoga for ' Iccha Mrityu' and for learning of VEDAS and also to teach the whole word the same as it not only covers 12'th 2'nd and 10'th. 3) In 10'th Ju of Tula, helps one person to teach VEDAS and such person doesnt lie as it aspects 2'nd house(but it is also direct so it is nice) and same Ju is lord of 12'th and Ju is placed in Tula. Ancient scriptures says that when Ju or Mo use to be in Tula person use to be learned man of VEDAS and Ju should be also in 1, 4, 7 and 10.  Swami ji was never inclined towards SEX and MARRIAGE all know very well.  But following points doesnt support that Swamiji should have Dhanu Lagna -  If we take Dhanu Lagna then 7'th lord is with Ve so it supports marriage.  And Ra is in 12'th so it supports that he should be high class of immoral but it was not like that.But in case of Makar Lagna, Ra will go to 11'th, it shows he should have many foreign friends and he was having many. But if we take Makar Lagna then 7'th lord Mo is with Sa so it shows denial of mariage. THERE ARE MANY POINTS WHICH SHOWS THAT SWAMI JI SHOULD HAVE MAKAR LAGNA BUT I AM NOT WRITTING ALL POINTS IF ANY PERSON NEEDS PROOFS OF MY ABOVE POINTS LET ME KNOW I WILL PROVIDE SHLOKA NUMBERS FROM CLASSICS.  tx Vishal Kohli --- On Tue, 2/9/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> Re: Divine Revealation - Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time , vedic astrology Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 6:31 PM  Namaste " Lalit/Utkal " , Reagrding the authenticity: Swami Nikhilananda, who wrote " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " , was a Ramakrishna Mutt monk who was initiated by Sarada Mata herself! He spent time with Swami Brahmananada, Swami Saradananda, Swami Premananda and other direct disciples of Ramakrishna and also with M (Mahendranath Gupta), who recorded the gospel of Ramakrishna. He had direct access to many people with first-hand association with Swami Vivekananda. On the other hand, Swami Chetanananda who wrote the book on the sixteen disciples came much later. He was associated with the Mutt from 1950 and was initiated in 1960, several generations later. While Swami Nikhilananda' s book is a biogrpahy of Vivekananda, Swami Chetanananda' s book is about 16 disciples and it is questionable how much attention he paid to Swamiji's birthtime. Regarding LMT, of course a birthtime in 1860s would be in LMT as there was no IST. There is nothing " artificial " about it. The birthtime of 6:33 am LMT has been taken by all well-known astrologers who wrote about Swamiji until now. You did not know that IST was not in use then, you made the mistake of taking IST instead of LMT, you got Makara lagna, you got convinced that that is correct and are now trying to somehow prove you are right. Unfortunately, so much bandwidth and so much of people's time is being wasted in this exercise. I will ignore the rest of your tall claims and " my lollipop is bigger than yours " exercises. Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - ---- Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Brother Narsimha, > > You should think of attributes of makar lagna - great desciples, > strong physic etc - > > Then go for review of kind of physic - Hanuman Ji (offcourse > mythological chart) Srila Prabhupad, Gautam Gambhir etc got. > > Even if you make swami ji's horoscope with birth time 6.33 am, you get > makar lagna only but then you and many others starts saying local time > should be taken with that time, all the manual efforts for making > artificial dhanu lagna for swami ji. > > Why such a flip flop ? > > It's seen that all those who dont get god's vision and spiritual > experience resort to saying it's hallucination or illusion. What's > your elligibility for saying a thing that never happend in your life. > > You should know that god himself came to me, i saw him with open eyes > not in imaginary meditation, this is another revealation for those who > are curious, there is no place for any doubt if you are at feet of > god. > > Pls accept the divine urge and do yourself a precise comperative study > of both makar lagna vs dhanu lagna chart and find answer for you. > > Physical achievments have no significance in divine life, Swami > Vivekananda was only a BA if you find academic qualification so > important. > > There is no way no evidence to put question mark on authenticity of > biography's published in 'god lived with them' by Sri Ram Krishna > mission in order to make he world aware of life of top selected > desciples by thakur ramkrishna paramhansha, otherwise, world wd never > come to know about latu and others. > > You simply passed an imaginary comment on authenticity, better, if you > do correspondance with president and secretary of mission to find > answers, such a deflection is unfair. > > I trust mother divine and thakur for you people to show light and > suggest you people to be honest and open for truth, otherwise, no > enlightenment. > > It's said in spirituality - 'pratistha sukari vistha'. > > We get god's love and a recognition that he gives, we don't bother how > world looks at us. > > Swami Vivekanada was badly criticized by narrow minded hath dharmi > pakhandi pandits in his life time, Swami Dayananda was given poison, > so, where I m counted, but, We are true, truth and mother's love is > our strength. > > Regards, > Lalit/Utkal > > On 2/9/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: > > Namaste Lalit and others, > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived With Them: > > Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna " ). I was > > gratefully using some valuable data in that book for an interesting Jyotish > > research. > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime is his > > biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami Nikhilananda) . That is > > a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book clearly gives 6:33 am and > > says " a few minutes before sunrise " . > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone actually thinks > > he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain common sense to me. > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and not > > Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an obsessed and > > egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > > > * * * > > > >> None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > >> got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > >> appealing to you. > > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to those who > > wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a hallucination and what > > really distinguishes the two and what is the goal of spiritual sadhana. A > > few mails referred within that mail cover topics related to visions. > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651 > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference between > > the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 of > > gives a small account of a few of my experiences > > with that yogi, which proved some things to me: > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481 > > > > * * * > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on > > Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went > > to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit > > prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last > > 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis. > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see in > > your writings, I am quite amazed by the pride, arrogance and self-importance > > you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ gmail.com> > >> Divine Revealation : Swami Vivekananda' s Birth Time & Lagna !! > >> " Deepak Bisaria " <deepakbisaria@ .co. in>, knrastro (AT) hotmail (DOT) com, > >> kn_rao , " Prashant Kumar G B " <gbp_kumar >, > >> " Chandrashekhar " <sharma.chandrashek h ar (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > >> <pvr108 >, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> > >> Cc: " aavesh t " <aavesh_s (AT) (DOT) co.in>, jyotishi55 (AT) gmail (DOT) com, " Ajitkumar > >> Benadi " <ajitbenadi>, praspandey (AT) (DOT) co.in, " Mee Shuba Vela " > >> <pkgoteti > > >> Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:38 PM > >> It's a day that > >> Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > >> that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > >> finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > >> Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > >> > >> This was third time,I visited > >> Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > >> was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > >> Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > >> another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > >> they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > >> Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > >> provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > >> got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > >> condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > >> my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > >> It's known, It's known and published by Sri > >> RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > >> Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > >> > >> Animately, he brought out the book, I > >> saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > >> Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > >> Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > >> w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > >> couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > >> to your followers. > >> > >> The great divine mother has finally > >> taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > >> dharmi narrow minded world. > >> When God is with a person, he can > >> face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > >> you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > >> correct themselves however they are free at their > >> end. > >> > >> It's said that - " Jin > >> Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > >> Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > >> > >> None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > >> got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > >> appealing to you. > >> > >> regards, > >> Lalit Mishra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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