Guest guest Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Dear Nandi OX (Bael),  I am happy to get your response but have a look at following points which you wrote :-  ********** Only 12th house in rasi chart is never a complete indication of something so powerful as Moksha. One has to see Vimsamsa. I have seen people with excellent 12th houses who are million miles away from spirituality or any moksha. **********  Here we are trying to fix D-1 but it is good to see that you even can tell us about Vimsamsa of Swami Vivekanand. Wonderfull !!!,  ********** Moksha is not only 12th house in Rasi. It also included Vimsamsa and other factors probably **********  Again same point.  I am amused to see that you even know about his Vimsamsa chart. I think you are the best astrologer to fix birth timing even upto minutes and seconds. Appreciation !  For moksha there are many criterions but we dont know the lagna of him as we are fixing it, so we have to remain stick to D-1, AK being Rashi Vargottama in Pisces in D-1 and D-9 is also one of the most imp criterion for same.  So I think you don’t have to tell many criterions for Moksha as I am well read of classics not of handful but many.  ************ When a person has sanyasa yogas in chart, marriage indications get cancelled out. He has a very powerful sanyasa yoga. Shani with moon, and moon in shani's drekkana. ***********  Go and check the position of Mo in D-3 for both birth timings(though 4 timings are being circulated and 3 of them of Makara Lagna) about which ppl are talking. I am amazed to see that instead of Bhava posn of Mo in D-3 you are talking of Mo's position in a Rashi in a D-3 !  Do you know how much time Moon will take to change its position from one Rashi of D-3 to another Rashi of D-3.  So now apply your own point ie *****moon in shani's drekkana***** for other birth timing also. You will find that Mo is also in same Rashi ie of Sa.  ****************** That saturn moon combination in kanya has rasi dristi on mithun (7th house from Dhanu), thus further negating any desire for marriage.  With Makara lagna he will have venus and mercury in lagna. Venus will have direct dristi on his 7th house and that is a more potent combination for marriage. ******************  Why you dont apply Rashi drishti of Ve on 7'th house if we take Makara as Lagna.  I think it doesnt suit you well to distort the truth so you didnt write about it instead you wrote Rashi Drishti of Sa+Mo on seventh.  If we take Makara as Lagna will Ve give Rashi aspect on 7’th ??  If we take makara as lagna, then Mo will become lord of seventh and now see its occupation in D-3 and it is in Saturn's Rashi which you wrote.  And i have already shown that for both birth timings Moon will remain in same Rashi in D-3 that is of Sa which clearly shows denial of mariage according to D-3 concept but for Makara Lagna.  You wrote point related to Mo's position in D-3 but dont want to take makara lagna which will clearly give you Mo as lord of seventh and denial of marriage by D-3 as Mo in Saturns’ dreskkana.  TX Vishal Kohli  RAAM NAAM SATYA HAI..... RAAM NAAM SATYA HAI..... RAAM NAAM SATYA HAI..... RAAM NAAM SATYA HAI.....  --- On Thu, 2/11/10, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote: rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time Thursday, February 11, 2010, 1:03 PM  Dear VIshal,  Swami Viveka Nanad means it would have impossible for Swamiji to get inclined for Moksha if he would have Dhanu Lagna.  Only 12th house in rasi chart is never a complete indication of something so powerful as Moksha. One has to see Vimsamsa. I have seen people with excellent 12th houses who are million miles away from spirituality or any moksha.  Iccha mrityu is something so high up that normal jyotish analysis of basic 12th house etc are not sufficient. Infact most of us in this forum do have the necessary level of jyotish expertise to predict from a chart if a person can acquire iccha mrityu or not. Lord of 12'th, Ma again malefic and in strenth so again 12'th house very malefic.Ancient classics doesnt support this as good for inclination towards Moksha.  Moksha is not only 12th house in Rasi. It also included Vimsamsa and other factors probably.  Whereas with Dhanu lagna, and sun in it (born on a sunday, Ak is Sun) shows a very majestic personality, exactly like Swami Vivekanada had.  With Makara lagna he will have venus and merc in lagna, which cannot make a " leonine " personality by any stretch of imagination.  If we take Dhanu Lagna then 7'th lord is with Ve so it supports marriage.  And Ra is in 12'th so it supports that he should be high class of immoral but it was not like that.But in case of Makar Lagna, Ra will go to 11'th, it shows he should have many foreign friends and he was having many. But if we take Makar Lagna then 7'th lord Mo is with Sa so it shows denial of mariage.   When a person has sanyasa yogas in chart, marriage indications get cancelled out. He has a very powerful sanyasa yoga. Shani with moon, and moon in shani's drekkana. That saturn moon combination in kanya has rasi dristi on mithun (7th house from Dhanu), thus further negating any desire for marriage.  With Makara lagna he will have venus and mercury in lagna. Venus will have direct dristi on his 7th house and that is a more potent combination for marriage.  -Regards  Rajarshi    Rama Naama Satya Hai.. --- On Wed, 10/2/10, Vishal Kohli <vkohli38 > wrote: Vishal Kohli <vkohli38 > Divine Revealation - Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time Wednesday, 10 February, 2010, 6:42 PM  Dear Folks, I think this issue of fixing lagna of Swamiji is very interestng and it attracted me to give my inputs. I would like to shed some light over Makar Lagna Chart and Dhanur Lagna Chart of Swami Ji. Most important thing to see in his chart is the study of 12'th house - If one take Dhanu as lagna then 12'th house is very much afflicted - 1) 12'th house is having Rahu 2) Sa is giving aspect over it in 12'th. 3) Ma is giving aspect over 12'th house. Three malefics aspecting 12'th house, now one may imagine about the 'Iccha Mrityu' of Swami Viveka Nanad means it would have impossible for Swamiji to get inclined for Moksha if he would have Dhanu Lagna. Lord of 12'th, Ma again malefic and in strenth so again 12'th house very malefic.Ancient classics doesnt support this as good for inclination towards Moksha. Ancient classics dont support from above points that this should be horoscope(Dhanu Lagna) of one great Swami. If one take Makar Lagna :- 1) 12'th would be having Su, so he wander around the world. 2) Lord of 12'th, Jupiter and it goes to tenth and it aspects 2'nd house, nice yoga for ' Iccha Mrityu' and for learning of VEDAS and also to teach the whole word the same as it not only covers 12'th 2'nd and 10'th. 3) In 10'th Ju of Tula, helps one person to teach VEDAS and such person doesnt lie as it aspects 2'nd house(but it is also direct so it is nice) and same Ju is lord of 12'th and Ju is placed in Tula. Ancient scriptures says that when Ju or Mo use to be in Tula person use to be learned man of VEDAS and Ju should be also in 1, 4, 7 and 10.  Swami ji was never inclined towards SEX and MARRIAGE all know very well.  But following points doesnt support that Swamiji should have Dhanu Lagna -  If we take Dhanu Lagna then 7'th lord is with Ve so it supports marriage.  And Ra is in 12'th so it supports that he should be high class of immoral but it was not like that.But in case of Makar Lagna, Ra will go to 11'th, it shows he should have many foreign friends and he was having many. But if we take Makar Lagna then 7'th lord Mo is with Sa so it shows denial of mariage. THERE ARE MANY POINTS WHICH SHOWS THAT SWAMI JI SHOULD HAVE MAKAR LAGNA BUT I AM NOT WRITTING ALL POINTS IF ANY PERSON NEEDS PROOFS OF MY ABOVE POINTS LET ME KNOW I WILL PROVIDE SHLOKA NUMBERS FROM CLASSICS.  tx Vishal Kohli --- On Tue, 2/9/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> Re: Divine Revealation - Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time , vedic astrology Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 6:31 PM  Namaste " Lalit/Utkal " , Reagrding the authenticity: Swami Nikhilananda, who wrote " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " , was a Ramakrishna Mutt monk who was initiated by Sarada Mata herself! He spent time with Swami Brahmananada, Swami Saradananda, Swami Premananda and other direct disciples of Ramakrishna and also with M (Mahendranath Gupta), who recorded the gospel of Ramakrishna. He had direct access to many people with first-hand association with Swami Vivekananda. On the other hand, Swami Chetanananda who wrote the book on the sixteen disciples came much later. He was associated with the Mutt from 1950 and was initiated in 1960, several generations later. While Swami Nikhilananda' s book is a biogrpahy of Vivekananda, Swami Chetanananda' s book is about 16 disciples and it is questionable how much attention he paid to Swamiji's birthtime. Regarding LMT, of course a birthtime in 1860s would be in LMT as there was no IST. There is nothing " artificial " about it. The birthtime of 6:33 am LMT has been taken by all well-known astrologers who wrote about Swamiji until now. You did not know that IST was not in use then, you made the mistake of taking IST instead of LMT, you got Makara lagna, you got convinced that that is correct and are now trying to somehow prove you are right. Unfortunately, so much bandwidth and so much of people's time is being wasted in this exercise. I will ignore the rest of your tall claims and " my lollipop is bigger than yours " exercises. Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - ---- Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Brother Narsimha, > > You should think of attributes of makar lagna - great desciples, > strong physic etc - > > Then go for review of kind of physic - Hanuman Ji (offcourse > mythological chart) Srila Prabhupad, Gautam Gambhir etc got. > > Even if you make swami ji's horoscope with birth time 6.33 am, you get > makar lagna only but then you and many others starts saying local time > should be taken with that time, all the manual efforts for making > artificial dhanu lagna for swami ji. > > Why such a flip flop ? > > It's seen that all those who dont get god's vision and spiritual > experience resort to saying it's hallucination or illusion. What's > your elligibility for saying a thing that never happend in your life. > > You should know that god himself came to me, i saw him with open eyes > not in imaginary meditation, this is another revealation for those who > are curious, there is no place for any doubt if you are at feet of > god. > > Pls accept the divine urge and do yourself a precise comperative study > of both makar lagna vs dhanu lagna chart and find answer for you. > > Physical achievments have no significance in divine life, Swami > Vivekananda was only a BA if you find academic qualification so > important. > > There is no way no evidence to put question mark on authenticity of > biography's published in 'god lived with them' by Sri Ram Krishna > mission in order to make he world aware of life of top selected > desciples by thakur ramkrishna paramhansha, otherwise, world wd never > come to know about latu and others. > > You simply passed an imaginary comment on authenticity, better, if you > do correspondance with president and secretary of mission to find > answers, such a deflection is unfair. > > I trust mother divine and thakur for you people to show light and > suggest you people to be honest and open for truth, otherwise, no > enlightenment. > > It's said in spirituality - 'pratistha sukari vistha'. > > We get god's love and a recognition that he gives, we don't bother how > world looks at us. > > Swami Vivekanada was badly criticized by narrow minded hath dharmi > pakhandi pandits in his life time, Swami Dayananda was given poison, > so, where I m counted, but, We are true, truth and mother's love is > our strength. > > Regards, > Lalit/Utkal > > On 2/9/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: > > Namaste Lalit and others, > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived With Them: > > Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna " ). I was > > gratefully using some valuable data in that book for an interesting Jyotish > > research. > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime is his > > biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami Nikhilananda) . That is > > a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book clearly gives 6:33 am and > > says " a few minutes before sunrise " . > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone actually thinks > > he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain common sense to me. > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and not > > Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an obsessed and > > egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > > > * * * > > > >> None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > >> got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > >> appealing to you. > > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to those who > > wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a hallucination and what > > really distinguishes the two and what is the goal of spiritual sadhana. A > > few mails referred within that mail cover topics related to visions. > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651 > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference between > > the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 of > > gives a small account of a few of my experiences > > with that yogi, which proved some things to me: > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481 > > > > * * * > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on > > Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went > > to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit > > prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last > > 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis. > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see in > > your writings, I am quite amazed by the pride, arrogance and self-importance > > you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ gmail.com> > >> Divine Revealation : Swami Vivekananda' s Birth Time & Lagna !! > >> " Deepak Bisaria " <deepakbisaria@ .co. in>, knrastro (AT) hotmail (DOT) com, > >> kn_rao , " Prashant Kumar G B " <gbp_kumar >, > >> " Chandrashekhar " <sharma.chandrashek h ar (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > >> <pvr108 >, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> > >> Cc: " aavesh t " <aavesh_s (AT) (DOT) co.in>, jyotishi55 (AT) gmail (DOT) com, " Ajitkumar > >> Benadi " <ajitbenadi>, praspandey (AT) (DOT) co.in, " Mee Shuba Vela " > >> <pkgoteti > > >> Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:38 PM > >> It's a day that > >> Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > >> that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > >> finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > >> Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > >> > >> This was third time,I visited > >> Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > >> was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > >> Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > >> another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > >> they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > >> Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > >> provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > >> got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > >> condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > >> my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > >> It's known, It's known and published by Sri > >> RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > >> Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > >> > >> Animately, he brought out the book, I > >> saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > >> Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > >> Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > >> w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > >> couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > >> to your followers. > >> > >> The great divine mother has finally > >> taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > >> dharmi narrow minded world. > >> When God is with a person, he can > >> face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > >> you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > >> correct themselves however they are free at their > >> end. > >> > >> It's said that - " Jin > >> Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > >> Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > >> > >> None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > >> got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > >> appealing to you. > >> > >> regards, > >> Lalit Mishra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Dear Vishal,  Please check some answers below.  Regards Rajarshi Rama Naama Satya Hai.. --- On Fri, 12/2/10, Vishal Kohli <vkohli38 wrote: Vishal Kohli <vkohli38 Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time Friday, 12 February, 2010, 3:30 PM  Dear Nandi OX (Bael),  I am happy to get your response but have a look at following points which you wrote :- I am sure you would be happy, that is precisely why I responded-  ********** Only 12th house in rasi chart is never a complete indication of something so powerful as Moksha. One has to see Vimsamsa. I have seen people with excellent 12th houses who are million miles away from spirituality or any moksha. **********  Here we are trying to fix D-1 but it is good to see that you even can tell us about Vimsamsa of Swami Vivekanand. Wonderfull !!!,  Exactly. A chart rectification often needs checking up various vargas. Further, I did not speak of " rectification " of Vimsamsa, but rather, that to understand if a person can attain Moksha or not, a rasi chart maybe insufficient. There must some reason why Parashara mentiones vargas upto Vimsamsa and says one must look at Vimsamsa for the sake of " upasana " . So your claims that a mere 12th house in the rasi chart is sufficient to decide if the chart can belong to a person like Vivekananda, is shallow, to put it midly. Your knowledge or the lack of it cannot be the parameter for judgement of chart rectifications, don't you think so? ********** Moksha is not only 12th house in Rasi. It also included Vimsamsa and other factors probably **********  Again same point.  Same from my side too. I am amused to see that you even know about his Vimsamsa chart. I think you are the best astrologer to fix birth timing even upto minutes and seconds. Appreciation !  Thank you for the compliments-. As I said, your lack of knowledge is not a parameter for everyone. Also, to merely look at a rasi chart and suggest such and such indicates Moksha, in my humble opinion, is foolishness of the first order. There are hundreds of charts will beautiful 12th house in rasi, who are nowhere close to spirituality, leave aside moksha. For moksha there are many criterions but we dont know the lagna of him as we are fixing it, so we have to remain stick to D-1,  In that case we should not jump to the conclusion that a good 12th house in D1 is enough to indicate moksha. That is all I have been trying to say.   AK being Rashi Vargottama in Pisces in D-1 and D-9 is also one of the most imp criterion for same.  I don't think so. A majority of spiritual giants, who have attained Moksha do not have a vargottama AK in meena. Ramakrishna Paramhamsa did not have it, Vivekanada himself did not have it, Ma Sarada did not have that combination, Lahiri Baba did not have it. What good is a principle that does not work in the charts of most of the famous self realized saints?  So I think you don’t have to tell many criterions for Moksha as I am well read of classics not of handful but many.  I am not doubting your knowledge of scriptures-.  ************ When a person has sanyasa yogas in chart, marriage indications get cancelled out. He has a very powerful sanyasa yoga. Shani with moon, and moon in shani's drekkana. ***********  Go and check the position of Mo in D-3 for both birth timings(though 4 timings are being circulated and 3 of them of Makara Lagna) about which ppl are talking. I am amazed to see that instead of Bhava posn of Mo in D-3 you are talking of Mo's position in a Rashi in a D-3 !  Why should bhava position be taken? Because you think so? Parashara does not talk about bhava chakra chart of drekkan or navamsa when he talks of sanyasa yoga along with parivrajaka yogas.   Do you know how much time Moon will take to change its position from one Rashi of D-3 to another Rashi of D-3.  Irrelevant.  So now apply your own point ie *****moon in shani's drekkana**** * for other birth timing also. You will find that Mo is also in same Rashi ie of Sa.   Excellent. Therefore it shows he was ment to be a sanyasi one way or the other. So we cannot use lack of marriage as a criteria for judging or rectifying the D1.  ************ ****** That saturn moon combination in kanya has rasi dristi on mithun (7th house from Dhanu), thus further negating any desire for marriage.  With Makara lagna he will have venus and mercury in lagna. Venus will have direct dristi on his 7th house and that is a more potent combination for marriage. ************ ******  Why you dont apply Rashi drishti of Ve on 7'th house if we take Makara as Lagna.  Rasi drsit of Venus?! Rasi drsiti is of one rasi to another. Planets do not have rasi dristi Sir. Also Makar rasi will never have rasi drsiti on karkat. Also I don't think you understood what I wrote. I already mentioned that Venus can have " graha drisit " on 7th house IF we take Makara lagna  I think it doesnt suit you well to distort the truth so you didnt write about it instead you wrote Rashi Drishti of Sa+Mo on seventh.  [] Learn more- Please do not consider your lack of understanding to be a paramter of jyotish knowledge or of the English language.  If we take Makara as Lagna will Ve give Rashi aspect on 7’th ??  Once again, Makara cannot have " rasi dristi " on 7th house.  If we take makara as lagna, then Mo will become lord of seventh and now see its occupation in D-3 and it is in Saturn's Rashi which you wrote.  Sanyasa yogas do not mention that moon has be connected to 7th house in order for it to manifest sanyansa.  And i have already shown that for both birth timings Moon will remain in same Rashi in D-3 that is of Sa which clearly shows denial of mariage according to D-3 concept but for Makara Lagna.  Not for Makara lagna, but for both lagnas, IF the D-3 position of moon does not change from saturnine house. For Makara lagna, VENUS gives GRAHA DRISTI ON 7TH HOUSE. Understood? You wrote point related to Mo's position in D-3 but dont want to take makara lagna which will clearly give you Mo as lord of seventh and denial of marriage by D-3 as Mo in Saturns’ dreskkana.  Once again, for ONE specific combination of sanyasa Yoga to work moon must be in conjuction with shani and in shani's drekkan or navamsa. It need not be associated with 7th house or lord. Secondly, a person wil venus and merc in lagna has a different kind of personality with a person with sun in a friendly lagna for sun.  Any standard biography of Swamiji speaks of his leadship skills and majestic personality. For more read Josephine Macleods interactions and observation of Swami Vivekanada. You seem to have ignored the basic personality trait I mentioned in the last mail and yet accused me of being " untruthful " . Funny world we live in- TX Vishal Kohli  RAAM NAAM SATYA HAI..... RAAM NAAM SATYA HAI..... RAAM NAAM SATYA HAI..... RAAM NAAM SATYA HAI.....  Keep chanting that more, it may eventually help you to reduce your ego -  --- On Thu, 2/11/10, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time Thursday, February 11, 2010, 1:03 PM  Dear VIshal,  Swami Viveka Nanad means it would have impossible for Swamiji to get inclined for Moksha if he would have Dhanu Lagna.  Only 12th house in rasi chart is never a complete indication of something so powerful as Moksha. One has to see Vimsamsa. I have seen people with excellent 12th houses who are million miles away from spirituality or any moksha.  Iccha mrityu is something so high up that normal jyotish analysis of basic 12th house etc are not sufficient. Infact most of us in this forum do have the necessary level of jyotish expertise to predict from a chart if a person can acquire iccha mrityu or not. Lord of 12'th, Ma again malefic and in strenth so again 12'th house very malefic.Ancient classics doesnt support this as good for inclination towards Moksha.  Moksha is not only 12th house in Rasi. It also included Vimsamsa and other factors probably.  Whereas with Dhanu lagna, and sun in it (born on a sunday, Ak is Sun) shows a very majestic personality, exactly like Swami Vivekanada had.  With Makara lagna he will have venus and merc in lagna, which cannot make a " leonine " personality by any stretch of imagination.  If we take Dhanu Lagna then 7'th lord is with Ve so it supports marriage.  And Ra is in 12'th so it supports that he should be high class of immoral but it was not like that.But in case of Makar Lagna, Ra will go to 11'th, it shows he should have many foreign friends and he was having many. But if we take Makar Lagna then 7'th lord Mo is with Sa so it shows denial of mariage.   When a person has sanyasa yogas in chart, marriage indications get cancelled out. He has a very powerful sanyasa yoga. Shani with moon, and moon in shani's drekkana. That saturn moon combination in kanya has rasi dristi on mithun (7th house from Dhanu), thus further negating any desire for marriage.  With Makara lagna he will have venus and mercury in lagna. Venus will have direct dristi on his 7th house and that is a more potent combination for marriage.  -Regards  Rajarshi    Rama Naama Satya Hai.. --- On Wed, 10/2/10, Vishal Kohli <vkohli38 > wrote: Vishal Kohli <vkohli38 > Divine Revealation - Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time Wednesday, 10 February, 2010, 6:42 PM  Dear Folks, I think this issue of fixing lagna of Swamiji is very interestng and it attracted me to give my inputs. I would like to shed some light over Makar Lagna Chart and Dhanur Lagna Chart of Swami Ji. Most important thing to see in his chart is the study of 12'th house - If one take Dhanu as lagna then 12'th house is very much afflicted - 1) 12'th house is having Rahu 2) Sa is giving aspect over it in 12'th. 3) Ma is giving aspect over 12'th house. Three malefics aspecting 12'th house, now one may imagine about the 'Iccha Mrityu' of Swami Viveka Nanad means it would have impossible for Swamiji to get inclined for Moksha if he would have Dhanu Lagna. Lord of 12'th, Ma again malefic and in strenth so again 12'th house very malefic.Ancient classics doesnt support this as good for inclination towards Moksha. Ancient classics dont support from above points that this should be horoscope(Dhanu Lagna) of one great Swami. If one take Makar Lagna :- 1) 12'th would be having Su, so he wander around the world. 2) Lord of 12'th, Jupiter and it goes to tenth and it aspects 2'nd house, nice yoga for ' Iccha Mrityu' and for learning of VEDAS and also to teach the whole word the same as it not only covers 12'th 2'nd and 10'th. 3) In 10'th Ju of Tula, helps one person to teach VEDAS and such person doesnt lie as it aspects 2'nd house(but it is also direct so it is nice) and same Ju is lord of 12'th and Ju is placed in Tula. Ancient scriptures says that when Ju or Mo use to be in Tula person use to be learned man of VEDAS and Ju should be also in 1, 4, 7 and 10.  Swami ji was never inclined towards SEX and MARRIAGE all know very well.  But following points doesnt support that Swamiji should have Dhanu Lagna -  If we take Dhanu Lagna then 7'th lord is with Ve so it supports marriage.  And Ra is in 12'th so it supports that he should be high class of immoral but it was not like that.But in case of Makar Lagna, Ra will go to 11'th, it shows he should have many foreign friends and he was having many. But if we take Makar Lagna then 7'th lord Mo is with Sa so it shows denial of mariage. THERE ARE MANY POINTS WHICH SHOWS THAT SWAMI JI SHOULD HAVE MAKAR LAGNA BUT I AM NOT WRITTING ALL POINTS IF ANY PERSON NEEDS PROOFS OF MY ABOVE POINTS LET ME KNOW I WILL PROVIDE SHLOKA NUMBERS FROM CLASSICS.  tx Vishal Kohli --- On Tue, 2/9/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> Re: Divine Revealation - Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time , vedic astrology Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 6:31 PM  Namaste " Lalit/Utkal " , Reagrding the authenticity: Swami Nikhilananda, who wrote " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " , was a Ramakrishna Mutt monk who was initiated by Sarada Mata herself! He spent time with Swami Brahmananada, Swami Saradananda, Swami Premananda and other direct disciples of Ramakrishna and also with M (Mahendranath Gupta), who recorded the gospel of Ramakrishna. He had direct access to many people with first-hand association with Swami Vivekananda. On the other hand, Swami Chetanananda who wrote the book on the sixteen disciples came much later. He was associated with the Mutt from 1950 and was initiated in 1960, several generations later. While Swami Nikhilananda' s book is a biogrpahy of Vivekananda, Swami Chetanananda' s book is about 16 disciples and it is questionable how much attention he paid to Swamiji's birthtime. Regarding LMT, of course a birthtime in 1860s would be in LMT as there was no IST. There is nothing " artificial " about it. The birthtime of 6:33 am LMT has been taken by all well-known astrologers who wrote about Swamiji until now. You did not know that IST was not in use then, you made the mistake of taking IST instead of LMT, you got Makara lagna, you got convinced that that is correct and are now trying to somehow prove you are right. Unfortunately, so much bandwidth and so much of people's time is being wasted in this exercise. I will ignore the rest of your tall claims and " my lollipop is bigger than yours " exercises. Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - ---- Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Brother Narsimha, > > You should think of attributes of makar lagna - great desciples, > strong physic etc - > > Then go for review of kind of physic - Hanuman Ji (offcourse > mythological chart) Srila Prabhupad, Gautam Gambhir etc got. > > Even if you make swami ji's horoscope with birth time 6.33 am, you get > makar lagna only but then you and many others starts saying local time > should be taken with that time, all the manual efforts for making > artificial dhanu lagna for swami ji. > > Why such a flip flop ? > > It's seen that all those who dont get god's vision and spiritual > experience resort to saying it's hallucination or illusion. What's > your elligibility for saying a thing that never happend in your life. > > You should know that god himself came to me, i saw him with open eyes > not in imaginary meditation, this is another revealation for those who > are curious, there is no place for any doubt if you are at feet of > god. > > Pls accept the divine urge and do yourself a precise comperative study > of both makar lagna vs dhanu lagna chart and find answer for you. > > Physical achievments have no significance in divine life, Swami > Vivekananda was only a BA if you find academic qualification so > important. > > There is no way no evidence to put question mark on authenticity of > biography's published in 'god lived with them' by Sri Ram Krishna > mission in order to make he world aware of life of top selected > desciples by thakur ramkrishna paramhansha, otherwise, world wd never > come to know about latu and others. > > You simply passed an imaginary comment on authenticity, better, if you > do correspondance with president and secretary of mission to find > answers, such a deflection is unfair. > > I trust mother divine and thakur for you people to show light and > suggest you people to be honest and open for truth, otherwise, no > enlightenment. > > It's said in spirituality - 'pratistha sukari vistha'. > > We get god's love and a recognition that he gives, we don't bother how > world looks at us. > > Swami Vivekanada was badly criticized by narrow minded hath dharmi > pakhandi pandits in his life time, Swami Dayananda was given poison, > so, where I m counted, but, We are true, truth and mother's love is > our strength. > > Regards, > Lalit/Utkal > > On 2/9/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: > > Namaste Lalit and others, > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived With Them: > > Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna " ). I was > > gratefully using some valuable data in that book for an interesting Jyotish > > research. > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime is his > > biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami Nikhilananda) . That is > > a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book clearly gives 6:33 am and > > says " a few minutes before sunrise " . > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone actually thinks > > he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain common sense to me. > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and not > > Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an obsessed and > > egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > > > * * * > > > >> None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > >> got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > >> appealing to you. > > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to those who > > wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a hallucination and what > > really distinguishes the two and what is the goal of spiritual sadhana. A > > few mails referred within that mail cover topics related to visions. > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651 > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference between > > the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 of > > gives a small account of a few of my experiences > > with that yogi, which proved some things to me: > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481 > > > > * * * > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on > > Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went > > to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit > > prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last > > 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis. > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see in > > your writings, I am quite amazed by the pride, arrogance and self-importance > > you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ gmail.com> > >> Divine Revealation : Swami Vivekananda' s Birth Time & Lagna !! > >> " Deepak Bisaria " <deepakbisaria@ .co. in>, knrastro (AT) hotmail (DOT) com, > >> kn_rao , " Prashant Kumar G B " <gbp_kumar >, > >> " Chandrashekhar " <sharma.chandrashek h ar (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > >> <pvr108 >, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> > >> Cc: " aavesh t " <aavesh_s (AT) (DOT) co.in>, jyotishi55 (AT) gmail (DOT) com, " Ajitkumar > >> Benadi " <ajitbenadi>, praspandey (AT) (DOT) co.in, " Mee Shuba Vela " > >> <pkgoteti > > >> Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:38 PM > >> It's a day that > >> Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > >> that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > >> finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > >> Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > >> > >> This was third time,I visited > >> Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > >> was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > >> Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > >> another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > >> they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > >> Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > >> provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > >> got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > >> condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > >> my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > >> It's known, It's known and published by Sri > >> RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > >> Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > >> > >> Animately, he brought out the book, I > >> saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > >> Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > >> Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > >> w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > >> couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > >> to your followers. > >> > >> The great divine mother has finally > >> taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > >> dharmi narrow minded world. > >> When God is with a person, he can > >> face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > >> you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > >> correct themselves however they are free at their > >> end. > >> > >> It's said that - " Jin > >> Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > >> Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > >> > >> None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > >> got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > >> appealing to you. > >> > >> regards, > >> Lalit Mishra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Dear Friends, I have a Telugu version of Swami Vivekanada Biography (Sri Vivekananda Jeevita Charitra), written by Sri ChirantanaNandaSwami of RamaKrishnaMutt, published first 10th Nov 1939, bearing ISBN 81-7823-318-5 (16th reprint edition). In this book, the author gave Horoscope of Sri Vivekananda Swami in the appendix with the following details (Translated in English by me as follows). Sri Vivekanada Swami, born in Dundhubhi Naama Samvatsar, Pushya Maasa, Krishna Saptami, Monday (Somvaar) Year 1863, January 12th morning in the star of Hastha, with Dhanus Lagna, approximately 6hrs 34 minutes (Suryodayaatpoorvam 6minutes = 6minutes before Sunrise) in Calcutta. Janana Kaala Chandra Mahadasa sesham ( Balance of Moon MahaDasa ) 4 years, 2 months, 12 days. Also, the Niraayana Raasi chart & Navamsha charts as given below. Raasi Chart: Lagna : Dhanus ; Capricorn : Sun, Mercury, Venus ; Aries : Mars ; Taurus : Ketu; Virgo : Moon, Saturn ; Libra : Jupiter ; Scorpio : Rahu; Navamsha Chart : Scorpio : Navamsha Lagna ; Capricorn : Sun, Rahu; Aquarius : Venus; Pisces : Mercury, Moon; Taurus : Saturn, Mars ; Cancer : Ketu Also, the Author refers the Sayana Chart of Swamiji by famous Western Astrologer Alan Leo as follows ( 11th collection, 47 chapter, 380 serial no. in that book ) : Sayana Raasi Chart : Capricorn : Lagna : 18deg Sun : 22deg Venus : 29deg Aquarius : Mercury : 4deg Aries : Mars : 28deg Gemini : Ketu (DT) Libra : Moon : 9deg30min : Jupiter : 26deg : Saturn : 5deg30min Sagittarius : Rahu (DH) Also, the following analysis is give thereof Swamiji (as translated by me into English). In the Horoscope of Swamiji, Lagna Lord Jupiter gives Wisdom. The Same Vargottam Jupiter being in Tula Navamsha leads him to Moksha. Samasaptaka of Lagna Lord Jupiter & Mars gives him Great Vairaagya. Kaaraka for Education Mercury being in second house of Speech Makara with conjunction of Sun and also exchange yoga with Saturn gives him extraordinary Oratory skills. The Conjunction of Sun, Mercury & Venus Shows Swamiji's extraordinary power, global recognition, & mass following (worship). Eighth lord Moon in conjunction with second lord Saturn shows Swamiji attaining Moksha in the Dasa of Jupiter. Author's Note : (Sri ChirantanaNandaSwami ) (The Chart and the analysis as written above is provided by Famous Astrologer Sri Kanchi Subrahmanya Sastry of Bhimannapeta, Mylapore, Chennai.) Somewhere in the same book, the author says about birth of Swamiji on the day of Sankranti celebration. ( Sun's ingress into Capricorn) ------------------ I am also attaching as is the scan of Telugu book pages in the attachments ( Vivekanada_BirthHoroscope.pdf ) Thanks, Ravi Gollapalli. , Vishal Kohli <vkohli38 wrote: > > Dear Nandi OX (Bael), >  > I am happy to get your response but have a look at following points which you wrote :- >  > ********** > Only 12th house in rasi chart is never a complete indication of something so powerful as Moksha. One has to see Vimsamsa. I have seen people with excellent 12th houses who are million miles away from spirituality or any moksha. > ********** >  > Here we are trying to fix D-1 but it is good to see that you even can tell us about Vimsamsa of Swami Vivekanand. Wonderfull !!!, >  > ********** > Moksha is not only 12th house in Rasi. It also included Vimsamsa and other factors probably > ********** >  > Again same point. >  > I am amused to see that you even know about his Vimsamsa chart. I think you are the best astrologer to fix birth timing even upto minutes and seconds. Appreciation ! >  > For moksha there are many criterions but we dont know the lagna of him as we are fixing it, so we have to remain stick to D-1, AK being Rashi Vargottama in Pisces in D-1 and D-9 is also one of the most imp criterion for same. >  > So I think you don’t have to tell many criterions for Moksha as I am well read of classics not of handful but many. >  > ************ > When a person has sanyasa yogas in chart, marriage indications get cancelled out. He has a very powerful sanyasa yoga. Shani with moon, and moon in shani's drekkana. > *********** >  > Go and check the position of Mo in D-3 for both birth timings(though 4 timings are being circulated and 3 of them of Makara Lagna) about which ppl are talking. I am amazed to see that instead of Bhava posn of Mo in D-3 you are talking of Mo's position in a Rashi in a D-3 ! >  > Do you know how much time Moon will take to change its position from one Rashi of D-3 to another Rashi of D-3. >  > So now apply your own point ie *****moon in shani's drekkana***** for other birth timing also. You will find that Mo is also in same Rashi ie of Sa. >  > ****************** > That saturn moon combination in kanya has rasi dristi on mithun (7th house from Dhanu), thus further negating any desire for marriage. >  > With Makara lagna he will have venus and mercury in lagna. Venus will have direct dristi on his 7th house and that is a more potent combination for marriage. > ****************** >  > Why you dont apply Rashi drishti of Ve on 7'th house if we take Makara as Lagna. >  > I think it doesnt suit you well to distort the truth so you didnt write about it instead you wrote Rashi Drishti of Sa+Mo on seventh. >  > If we take Makara as Lagna will Ve give Rashi aspect on 7’th ?? >  > If we take makara as lagna, then Mo will become lord of seventh and now see its occupation in D-3 and it is in Saturn's Rashi which you wrote. >  > And i have already shown that for both birth timings Moon will remain in same Rashi in D-3 that is of Sa which clearly shows denial of mariage according to D-3 concept but for Makara Lagna. >  > You wrote point related to Mo's position in D-3 but dont want to take makara lagna which will clearly give you Mo as lord of seventh and denial of marriage by D-3 as Mo in Saturns’ dreskkana. >  > TX > Vishal Kohli >  > RAAM NAAM SATYA HAI..... > RAAM NAAM SATYA HAI..... > RAAM NAAM SATYA HAI..... > RAAM NAAM SATYA HAI..... >  > > > > --- On Thu, 2/11/10, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote: > > > rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 > Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time > > Thursday, February 11, 2010, 1:03 PM > > >  > > > > Dear VIshal, >  > Swami Viveka Nanad means it would have impossible for Swamiji > to get inclined for Moksha if he would have Dhanu Lagna. >  > Only 12th house in rasi chart is never a complete indication of something so powerful as Moksha. One has to see Vimsamsa. I have seen people with excellent 12th houses who are million miles away from spirituality or any moksha. >  > Iccha mrityu is something so high up that normal jyotish analysis of basic 12th house etc are not sufficient. Infact most of us in this forum do have the necessary level of jyotish expertise to predict from a chart if a person can acquire iccha mrityu or not. > > Lord of 12'th, Ma again malefic and in strenth so again 12'th house very malefic.Ancient classics doesnt support this as good for inclination towards Moksha. >  > Moksha is not only 12th house in Rasi. It also included Vimsamsa and other factors probably. >  > Whereas with Dhanu lagna, and sun in it (born on a sunday, Ak is Sun) shows a very majestic personality, exactly like Swami Vivekanada had. >  > With Makara lagna he will have venus and merc in lagna, which cannot make a " leonine " personality by any stretch of imagination. >  > If we take Dhanu Lagna then 7'th lord is with Ve so it supports marriage. >  > And Ra is in 12'th so it supports that he should be high class of immoral but it was not like that.But in case of Makar Lagna, Ra will go to 11'th, it shows he should have many foreign friends and he was having many. > > But if we take Makar Lagna then 7'th lord Mo is with Sa so it shows denial of mariage. >  >  > When a person has sanyasa yogas in chart, marriage indications get cancelled out. He has a very powerful sanyasa yoga. Shani with moon, and moon in shani's drekkana. That saturn moon combination in kanya has rasi dristi on mithun (7th house from Dhanu), thus further negating any desire for marriage. >  > With Makara lagna he will have venus and mercury in lagna. Venus will have direct dristi on his 7th house and that is a more potent combination for marriage. >  > -Regards >  Rajarshi >  >  >  > > Rama Naama Satya Hai.. > > --- On Wed, 10/2/10, Vishal Kohli <vkohli38 > wrote: > > Vishal Kohli <vkohli38 > > Divine Revealation - Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time > > Wednesday, 10 February, 2010, 6:42 PM > >  > > Dear Folks, > I think this issue of fixing lagna of Swamiji is very interestng and it attracted me to give my inputs. > > I would like to shed some light over Makar Lagna Chart and Dhanur Lagna Chart of Swami Ji. > > Most important thing to see in his chart is the study of 12'th house - > > If one take Dhanu as lagna then 12'th house is very much afflicted - > > 1) 12'th house is having Rahu > > 2) Sa is giving aspect over it in 12'th. > > 3) Ma is giving aspect over 12'th house. > > Three malefics aspecting 12'th house, now one may imagine about the 'Iccha Mrityu' of Swami Viveka Nanad means it would have impossible for Swamiji > to get inclined for Moksha if he would have Dhanu Lagna. > > Lord of 12'th, Ma again malefic and in strenth so again 12'th house very malefic.Ancient classics doesnt support this as good for inclination towards Moksha. > > Ancient classics dont support from above points that this should be horoscope(Dhanu Lagna) of one great Swami. > > If one take Makar Lagna :- > > 1) 12'th would be having Su, so he wander around the world. > > 2) Lord of 12'th, Jupiter and it goes to tenth and it aspects 2'nd house, nice yoga for ' Iccha Mrityu' and for learning of VEDAS and also to teach the whole word the same as it not only covers > 12'th 2'nd and 10'th. > > 3) In 10'th Ju of Tula, helps one person to teach VEDAS and such person doesnt lie as it aspects 2'nd house(but it is also direct so it is nice) and same Ju is lord of 12'th and Ju is placed in Tula. > > Ancient scriptures says that when Ju or Mo use to be in Tula person use to be learned man of VEDAS and Ju should be also in 1, 4, 7 and 10. >  > Swami ji was never inclined towards SEX and MARRIAGE all know very well. >  > But following points doesnt support that Swamiji should have Dhanu Lagna - >  > If we take Dhanu Lagna then 7'th lord is with Ve so it supports marriage. >  > And Ra is in 12'th so it supports that he should be high class of immoral but it was not like that.But in case of Makar Lagna, Ra will go to 11'th, it shows he should have many foreign friends and he was having many. > > But if we take Makar Lagna then 7'th lord Mo is with Sa so it shows denial of mariage. > > THERE ARE MANY POINTS WHICH SHOWS THAT SWAMI JI SHOULD HAVE MAKAR LAGNA BUT I AM NOT WRITTING ALL POINTS IF ANY PERSON NEEDS PROOFS OF MY ABOVE POINTS LET ME KNOW I WILL PROVIDE SHLOKA NUMBERS FROM CLASSICS. >  > tx > Vishal Kohli > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> > Re: Divine Revealation - Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time > , vedic astrology > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 6:31 PM > >  > > Namaste " Lalit/Utkal " , > > Reagrding the authenticity: > > Swami Nikhilananda, who wrote " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " , was a Ramakrishna Mutt monk who was initiated by Sarada Mata herself! He spent time with Swami Brahmananada, Swami Saradananda, Swami Premananda and other direct disciples of Ramakrishna and also with M (Mahendranath Gupta), who recorded the gospel of Ramakrishna. He had direct access to many people with first-hand association with Swami Vivekananda. On the other hand, Swami Chetanananda who wrote the book on the sixteen disciples came much later. He was associated with the Mutt from 1950 and was initiated in 1960, several generations later. While Swami Nikhilananda' s book is a biogrpahy of Vivekananda, Swami Chetanananda' s book is about 16 disciples and it is questionable how much attention he paid to Swamiji's birthtime. > > Regarding LMT, of course a birthtime in 1860s would be in LMT as there was no IST. There is nothing " artificial " about it. The birthtime of 6:33 am LMT has been taken by all well-known astrologers who wrote about Swamiji until now. You did not know that IST was not in use then, you made the mistake of taking IST instead of LMT, you got Makara lagna, you got convinced that that is correct and are now trying to somehow prove you are right. Unfortunately, so much bandwidth and so much of people's time is being wasted in this exercise. > > I will ignore the rest of your tall claims and " my lollipop is bigger than yours " exercises. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > ---- Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear Brother Narsimha, > > > > You should think of attributes of makar lagna - great desciples, > > strong physic etc - > > > > Then go for review of kind of physic - Hanuman Ji (offcourse > > mythological chart) Srila Prabhupad, Gautam Gambhir etc got. > > > > Even if you make swami ji's horoscope with birth time 6.33 am, you get > > makar lagna only but then you and many others starts saying local time > > should be taken with that time, all the manual efforts for making > > artificial dhanu lagna for swami ji. > > > > Why such a flip flop ? > > > > It's seen that all those who dont get god's vision and spiritual > > experience resort to saying it's hallucination or illusion. What's > > your elligibility for saying a thing that never happend in your life. > > > > You should know that god himself came to me, i saw him with open eyes > > not in imaginary meditation, this is another revealation for those who > > are curious, there is no place for any doubt if you are at feet of > > god. > > > > Pls accept the divine urge and do yourself a precise comperative study > > of both makar lagna vs dhanu lagna chart and find answer for you. > > > > Physical achievments have no significance in divine life, Swami > > Vivekananda was only a BA if you find academic qualification so > > important. > > > > There is no way no evidence to put question mark on authenticity of > > biography's published in 'god lived with them' by Sri Ram Krishna > > mission in order to make he world aware of life of top selected > > desciples by thakur ramkrishna paramhansha, otherwise, world wd never > > come to know about latu and others. > > > > You simply passed an imaginary comment on authenticity, better, if you > > do correspondance with president and secretary of mission to find > > answers, such a deflection is unfair. > > > > I trust mother divine and thakur for you people to show light and > > suggest you people to be honest and open for truth, otherwise, no > > enlightenment. > > > > It's said in spirituality - 'pratistha sukari vistha'. > > > > We get god's love and a recognition that he gives, we don't bother how > > world looks at us. > > > > Swami Vivekanada was badly criticized by narrow minded hath dharmi > > pakhandi pandits in his life time, Swami Dayananda was given poison, > > so, where I m counted, but, We are true, truth and mother's love is > > our strength. > > > > Regards, > > Lalit/Utkal > > > > On 2/9/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: > > > Namaste Lalit and others, > > > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived With Them: > > > Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna " ). I was > > > gratefully using some valuable data in that book for an interesting Jyotish > > > research. > > > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime is his > > > biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami Nikhilananda) . That is > > > a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book clearly gives 6:33 am and > > > says " a few minutes before sunrise " . > > > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone actually thinks > > > he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain common sense to me. > > > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and not > > > Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an obsessed and > > > egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > >> None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > >> got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > >> appealing to you. > > > > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to those who > > > wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a hallucination and what > > > really distinguishes the two and what is the goal of spiritual sadhana. A > > > few mails referred within that mail cover topics related to visions. > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651 > > > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference between > > > the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 of > > > gives a small account of a few of my experiences > > > with that yogi, which proved some things to me: > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481 > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on > > > Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went > > > to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit > > > prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last > > > 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis. > > > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see in > > > your writings, I am quite amazed by the pride, arrogance and self-importance > > > you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ gmail.com> > > >> Divine Revealation : Swami Vivekananda' s Birth Time & Lagna !! > > >> " Deepak Bisaria " <deepakbisaria@ .co. in>, knrastro (AT) hotmail (DOT) com, > > >> kn_rao , " Prashant Kumar G B " <gbp_kumar >, > > >> " Chandrashekhar " <sharma.chandrashek h ar (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > > >> <pvr108 >, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> > > >> Cc: " aavesh t " <aavesh_s (AT) (DOT) co.in>, jyotishi55 (AT) gmail (DOT) com, " Ajitkumar > > >> Benadi " <ajitbenadi>, praspandey (AT) (DOT) co.in, " Mee Shuba Vela " > > >> <pkgoteti > > > >> Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:38 PM > > >> It's a day that > > >> Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > > >> that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > > >> finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > > >> Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > >> > > >> This was third time,I visited > > >> Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > > >> was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > >> Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > > >> another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > > >> they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > > >> Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > > >> provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > > >> got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > >> condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > > >> my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > > >> It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > >> RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > > >> Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > >> > > >> Animately, he brought out the book, I > > >> saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > > >> Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > > >> Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > >> w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > >> couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > > >> to your followers. > > >> > > >> The great divine mother has finally > > >> taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > > >> dharmi narrow minded world. > > >> When God is with a person, he can > > >> face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > > >> you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > > >> correct themselves however they are free at their > > >> end. > > >> > > >> It's said that - " Jin > > >> Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > > >> Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > > >> > > >> None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > >> got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > >> appealing to you. > > >> > > >> regards, > > >> Lalit Mishra. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami Vivekanadajee, I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than wasting any more time on the birthtime etc. :-) I hope I am not alone and some of the other folks are utilizing this opportunity to study what Vivekananda jee experienced, shared and wanted us to learn as opposed to waste time with his horoscope etc :-) PEACE! Rohiniranjan , " sbt_ravi " <sbt_ravi wrote: > > Dear Friends, > I have a Telugu version of Swami Vivekanada Biography (Sri Vivekananda Jeevita Charitra), > written by Sri ChirantanaNandaSwami of RamaKrishnaMutt, published first 10th Nov 1939, > bearing ISBN 81-7823-318-5 (16th reprint edition). In this book, the author gave Horoscope > of Sri Vivekananda Swami in the appendix with the following details (Translated in English > by me as follows). > > Sri Vivekanada Swami, born in Dundhubhi Naama Samvatsar, Pushya Maasa, Krishna Saptami, > Monday (Somvaar) Year 1863, January 12th morning in the star of Hastha, with Dhanus Lagna, > approximately 6hrs 34 minutes (Suryodayaatpoorvam 6minutes = 6minutes before Sunrise) in > Calcutta. Janana Kaala Chandra Mahadasa sesham ( Balance of Moon MahaDasa ) 4 years, > 2 months, 12 days. > > Also, the Niraayana Raasi chart & Navamsha charts as given below. > Raasi Chart: > Lagna : Dhanus ; Capricorn : Sun, Mercury, Venus ; Aries : Mars ; Taurus : Ketu; > Virgo : Moon, Saturn ; Libra : Jupiter ; Scorpio : Rahu; > > Navamsha Chart : > Scorpio : Navamsha Lagna ; Capricorn : Sun, Rahu; Aquarius : Venus; Pisces : Mercury, Moon; > Taurus : Saturn, Mars ; Cancer : Ketu > > Also, the Author refers the Sayana Chart of Swamiji by famous Western Astrologer Alan Leo as > follows ( 11th collection, 47 chapter, 380 serial no. in that book ) : > > Sayana Raasi Chart : > > Capricorn : Lagna : 18deg > Sun : 22deg > Venus : 29deg > Aquarius : Mercury : 4deg > Aries : Mars : 28deg > Gemini : Ketu (DT) > Libra : Moon : 9deg30min > : Jupiter : 26deg > : Saturn : 5deg30min > Sagittarius : Rahu (DH) > > Also, the following analysis is give thereof Swamiji (as translated by me into English). > In the Horoscope of Swamiji, Lagna Lord Jupiter gives Wisdom. The Same Vargottam Jupiter being > in Tula Navamsha leads him to Moksha. Samasaptaka of Lagna Lord Jupiter & Mars gives him Great Vairaagya. > Kaaraka for Education Mercury being in second house of Speech Makara with conjunction of Sun and also > exchange yoga with Saturn gives him extraordinary Oratory skills. The Conjunction of Sun, Mercury & Venus > Shows Swamiji's extraordinary power, global recognition, & mass following (worship). > Eighth lord Moon in conjunction with second lord Saturn shows Swamiji attaining Moksha in the > Dasa of Jupiter. > > Author's Note : (Sri ChirantanaNandaSwami ) > (The Chart and the analysis as written above is provided by Famous Astrologer Sri Kanchi Subrahmanya > Sastry of Bhimannapeta, Mylapore, Chennai.) > > Somewhere in the same book, the author says about birth of Swamiji on the day of Sankranti celebration. > ( Sun's ingress into Capricorn) > ------------------ > > I am also attaching as is the scan of Telugu book pages in the attachments ( Vivekanada_BirthHoroscope.pdf ) > > Thanks, > > Ravi Gollapalli. > > , Vishal Kohli <vkohli38@> wrote: > > > > Dear Nandi OX (Bael), > >  > > I am happy to get your response but have a look at following points which you wrote :- > >  > > ********** > > Only 12th house in rasi chart is never a complete indication of something so powerful as Moksha. One has to see Vimsamsa. I have seen people with excellent 12th houses who are million miles away from spirituality or any moksha. > > ********** > >  > > Here we are trying to fix D-1 but it is good to see that you even can tell us about Vimsamsa of Swami Vivekanand. Wonderfull !!!, > >  > > ********** > > Moksha is not only 12th house in Rasi. It also included Vimsamsa and other factors probably > > ********** > >  > > Again same point. > >  > > I am amused to see that you even know about his Vimsamsa chart. I think you are the best astrologer to fix birth timing even upto minutes and seconds. Appreciation ! > >  > > For moksha there are many criterions but we dont know the lagna of him as we are fixing it, so we have to remain stick to D-1, AK being Rashi Vargottama in Pisces in D-1 and D-9 is also one of the most imp criterion for same. > >  > > So I think you don’t have to tell many criterions for Moksha as I am well read of classics not of handful but many. > >  > > ************ > > When a person has sanyasa yogas in chart, marriage indications get cancelled out. He has a very powerful sanyasa yoga. Shani with moon, and moon in shani's drekkana. > > *********** > >  > > Go and check the position of Mo in D-3 for both birth timings(though 4 timings are being circulated and 3 of them of Makara Lagna) about which ppl are talking. I am amazed to see that instead of Bhava posn of Mo in D-3 you are talking of Mo's position in a Rashi in a D-3 ! > >  > > Do you know how much time Moon will take to change its position from one Rashi of D-3 to another Rashi of D-3. > >  > > So now apply your own point ie *****moon in shani's drekkana***** for other birth timing also. You will find that Mo is also in same Rashi ie of Sa. > >  > > ****************** > > That saturn moon combination in kanya has rasi dristi on mithun (7th house from Dhanu), thus further negating any desire for marriage. > >  > > With Makara lagna he will have venus and mercury in lagna. Venus will have direct dristi on his 7th house and that is a more potent combination for marriage. > > ****************** > >  > > Why you dont apply Rashi drishti of Ve on 7'th house if we take Makara as Lagna. > >  > > I think it doesnt suit you well to distort the truth so you didnt write about it instead you wrote Rashi Drishti of Sa+Mo on seventh. > >  > > If we take Makara as Lagna will Ve give Rashi aspect on 7’th ?? > >  > > If we take makara as lagna, then Mo will become lord of seventh and now see its occupation in D-3 and it is in Saturn's Rashi which you wrote. > >  > > And i have already shown that for both birth timings Moon will remain in same Rashi in D-3 that is of Sa which clearly shows denial of mariage according to D-3 concept but for Makara Lagna. > >  > > You wrote point related to Mo's position in D-3 but dont want to take makara lagna which will clearly give you Mo as lord of seventh and denial of marriage by D-3 as Mo in Saturns’ dreskkana. > >  > > TX > > Vishal Kohli > >  > > RAAM NAAM SATYA HAI..... > > RAAM NAAM SATYA HAI..... > > RAAM NAAM SATYA HAI..... > > RAAM NAAM SATYA HAI..... > >  > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/11/10, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@> wrote: > > > > > > rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@> > > Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time > > > > Thursday, February 11, 2010, 1:03 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear VIshal, > >  > > Swami Viveka Nanad means it would have impossible for Swamiji > > to get inclined for Moksha if he would have Dhanu Lagna. > >  > > Only 12th house in rasi chart is never a complete indication of something so powerful as Moksha. One has to see Vimsamsa. I have seen people with excellent 12th houses who are million miles away from spirituality or any moksha. > >  > > Iccha mrityu is something so high up that normal jyotish analysis of basic 12th house etc are not sufficient. Infact most of us in this forum do have the necessary level of jyotish expertise to predict from a chart if a person can acquire iccha mrityu or not. > > > > Lord of 12'th, Ma again malefic and in strenth so again 12'th house very malefic.Ancient classics doesnt support this as good for inclination towards Moksha. > >  > > Moksha is not only 12th house in Rasi. It also included Vimsamsa and other factors probably. > >  > > Whereas with Dhanu lagna, and sun in it (born on a sunday, Ak is Sun) shows a very majestic personality, exactly like Swami Vivekanada had. > >  > > With Makara lagna he will have venus and merc in lagna, which cannot make a " leonine " personality by any stretch of imagination. > >  > > If we take Dhanu Lagna then 7'th lord is with Ve so it supports marriage. > >  > > And Ra is in 12'th so it supports that he should be high class of immoral but it was not like that.But in case of Makar Lagna, Ra will go to 11'th, it shows he should have many foreign friends and he was having many. > > > > But if we take Makar Lagna then 7'th lord Mo is with Sa so it shows denial of mariage. > >  > >  > > When a person has sanyasa yogas in chart, marriage indications get cancelled out. He has a very powerful sanyasa yoga. Shani with moon, and moon in shani's drekkana. That saturn moon combination in kanya has rasi dristi on mithun (7th house from Dhanu), thus further negating any desire for marriage. > >  > > With Makara lagna he will have venus and mercury in lagna. Venus will have direct dristi on his 7th house and that is a more potent combination for marriage. > >  > > -Regards > >  Rajarshi > >  > >  > >  > > > > Rama Naama Satya Hai.. > > > > --- On Wed, 10/2/10, Vishal Kohli <vkohli38 > wrote: > > > > Vishal Kohli <vkohli38 > > > Divine Revealation - Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time > > > > Wednesday, 10 February, 2010, 6:42 PM > > > >  > > > > Dear Folks, > > I think this issue of fixing lagna of Swamiji is very interestng and it attracted me to give my inputs. > > > > I would like to shed some light over Makar Lagna Chart and Dhanur Lagna Chart of Swami Ji. > > > > Most important thing to see in his chart is the study of 12'th house - > > > > If one take Dhanu as lagna then 12'th house is very much afflicted - > > > > 1) 12'th house is having Rahu > > > > 2) Sa is giving aspect over it in 12'th. > > > > 3) Ma is giving aspect over 12'th house. > > > > Three malefics aspecting 12'th house, now one may imagine about the 'Iccha Mrityu' of Swami Viveka Nanad means it would have impossible for Swamiji > > to get inclined for Moksha if he would have Dhanu Lagna. > > > > Lord of 12'th, Ma again malefic and in strenth so again 12'th house very malefic.Ancient classics doesnt support this as good for inclination towards Moksha. > > > > Ancient classics dont support from above points that this should be horoscope(Dhanu Lagna) of one great Swami. > > > > If one take Makar Lagna :- > > > > 1) 12'th would be having Su, so he wander around the world. > > > > 2) Lord of 12'th, Jupiter and it goes to tenth and it aspects 2'nd house, nice yoga for ' Iccha Mrityu' and for learning of VEDAS and also to teach the whole word the same as it not only covers > > 12'th 2'nd and 10'th. > > > > 3) In 10'th Ju of Tula, helps one person to teach VEDAS and such person doesnt lie as it aspects 2'nd house(but it is also direct so it is nice) and same Ju is lord of 12'th and Ju is placed in Tula. > > > > Ancient scriptures says that when Ju or Mo use to be in Tula person use to be learned man of VEDAS and Ju should be also in 1, 4, 7 and 10. > >  > > Swami ji was never inclined towards SEX and MARRIAGE all know very well. > >  > > But following points doesnt support that Swamiji should have Dhanu Lagna - > >  > > If we take Dhanu Lagna then 7'th lord is with Ve so it supports marriage. > >  > > And Ra is in 12'th so it supports that he should be high class of immoral but it was not like that.But in case of Makar Lagna, Ra will go to 11'th, it shows he should have many foreign friends and he was having many. > > > > But if we take Makar Lagna then 7'th lord Mo is with Sa so it shows denial of mariage. > > > > THERE ARE MANY POINTS WHICH SHOWS THAT SWAMI JI SHOULD HAVE MAKAR LAGNA BUT I AM NOT WRITTING ALL POINTS IF ANY PERSON NEEDS PROOFS OF MY ABOVE POINTS LET ME KNOW I WILL PROVIDE SHLOKA NUMBERS FROM CLASSICS. > >  > > tx > > Vishal Kohli > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> > > Re: Divine Revealation - Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time > > , vedic astrology > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 6:31 PM > > > >  > > > > Namaste " Lalit/Utkal " , > > > > Reagrding the authenticity: > > > > Swami Nikhilananda, who wrote " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " , was a Ramakrishna Mutt monk who was initiated by Sarada Mata herself! He spent time with Swami Brahmananada, Swami Saradananda, Swami Premananda and other direct disciples of Ramakrishna and also with M (Mahendranath Gupta), who recorded the gospel of Ramakrishna. He had direct access to many people with first-hand association with Swami Vivekananda. On the other hand, Swami Chetanananda who wrote the book on the sixteen disciples came much later. He was associated with the Mutt from 1950 and was initiated in 1960, several generations later. While Swami Nikhilananda' s book is a biogrpahy of Vivekananda, Swami Chetanananda' s book is about 16 disciples and it is questionable how much attention he paid to Swamiji's birthtime. > > > > Regarding LMT, of course a birthtime in 1860s would be in LMT as there was no IST. There is nothing " artificial " about it. The birthtime of 6:33 am LMT has been taken by all well-known astrologers who wrote about Swamiji until now. You did not know that IST was not in use then, you made the mistake of taking IST instead of LMT, you got Makara lagna, you got convinced that that is correct and are now trying to somehow prove you are right. Unfortunately, so much bandwidth and so much of people's time is being wasted in this exercise. > > > > I will ignore the rest of your tall claims and " my lollipop is bigger than yours " exercises. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > ---- Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ gmail.com> wrote: > > > Dear Brother Narsimha, > > > > > > You should think of attributes of makar lagna - great desciples, > > > strong physic etc - > > > > > > Then go for review of kind of physic - Hanuman Ji (offcourse > > > mythological chart) Srila Prabhupad, Gautam Gambhir etc got. > > > > > > Even if you make swami ji's horoscope with birth time 6.33 am, you get > > > makar lagna only but then you and many others starts saying local time > > > should be taken with that time, all the manual efforts for making > > > artificial dhanu lagna for swami ji. > > > > > > Why such a flip flop ? > > > > > > It's seen that all those who dont get god's vision and spiritual > > > experience resort to saying it's hallucination or illusion. What's > > > your elligibility for saying a thing that never happend in your life. > > > > > > You should know that god himself came to me, i saw him with open eyes > > > not in imaginary meditation, this is another revealation for those who > > > are curious, there is no place for any doubt if you are at feet of > > > god. > > > > > > Pls accept the divine urge and do yourself a precise comperative study > > > of both makar lagna vs dhanu lagna chart and find answer for you. > > > > > > Physical achievments have no significance in divine life, Swami > > > Vivekananda was only a BA if you find academic qualification so > > > important. > > > > > > There is no way no evidence to put question mark on authenticity of > > > biography's published in 'god lived with them' by Sri Ram Krishna > > > mission in order to make he world aware of life of top selected > > > desciples by thakur ramkrishna paramhansha, otherwise, world wd never > > > come to know about latu and others. > > > > > > You simply passed an imaginary comment on authenticity, better, if you > > > do correspondance with president and secretary of mission to find > > > answers, such a deflection is unfair. > > > > > > I trust mother divine and thakur for you people to show light and > > > suggest you people to be honest and open for truth, otherwise, no > > > enlightenment. > > > > > > It's said in spirituality - 'pratistha sukari vistha'. > > > > > > We get god's love and a recognition that he gives, we don't bother how > > > world looks at us. > > > > > > Swami Vivekanada was badly criticized by narrow minded hath dharmi > > > pakhandi pandits in his life time, Swami Dayananda was given poison, > > > so, where I m counted, but, We are true, truth and mother's love is > > > our strength. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Lalit/Utkal > > > > > > On 2/9/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: > > > > Namaste Lalit and others, > > > > > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived With Them: > > > > Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna " ). I was > > > > gratefully using some valuable data in that book for an interesting Jyotish > > > > research. > > > > > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime is his > > > > biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami Nikhilananda) . That is > > > > a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book clearly gives 6:33 am and > > > > says " a few minutes before sunrise " . > > > > > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone actually thinks > > > > he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain common sense to me. > > > > > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and not > > > > Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an obsessed and > > > > egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > >> None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > >> got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > >> appealing to you. > > > > > > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to those who > > > > wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a hallucination and what > > > > really distinguishes the two and what is the goal of spiritual sadhana. A > > > > few mails referred within that mail cover topics related to visions. > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651 > > > > > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference between > > > > the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 of > > > > gives a small account of a few of my experiences > > > > with that yogi, which proved some things to me: > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481 > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on > > > > Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went > > > > to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit > > > > prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last > > > > 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis. > > > > > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see in > > > > your writings, I am quite amazed by the pride, arrogance and self-importance > > > > you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ gmail.com> > > > >> Divine Revealation : Swami Vivekananda' s Birth Time & Lagna !! > > > >> " Deepak Bisaria " <deepakbisaria@ .co. in>, knrastro (AT) hotmail (DOT) com, > > > >> kn_rao , " Prashant Kumar G B " <gbp_kumar >, > > > >> " Chandrashekhar " <sharma.chandrashek h ar (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > > > >> <pvr108 >, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> > > > >> Cc: " aavesh t " <aavesh_s (AT) (DOT) co.in>, jyotishi55 (AT) gmail (DOT) com, " Ajitkumar > > > >> Benadi " <ajitbenadi>, praspandey (AT) (DOT) co.in, " Mee Shuba Vela " > > > >> <pkgoteti > > > > >> Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:38 PM > > > >> It's a day that > > > >> Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > > > >> that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > > > >> finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > > > >> Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > >> > > > >> This was third time,I visited > > > >> Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > > > >> was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > > >> Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > > > >> another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > > > >> they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > > > >> Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > > > >> provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > > > >> got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > > >> condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > > > >> my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > > > >> It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > > >> RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > > > >> Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > >> > > > >> Animately, he brought out the book, I > > > >> saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > > > >> Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > > > >> Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > > >> w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > > >> couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > > > >> to your followers. > > > >> > > > >> The great divine mother has finally > > > >> taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > > > >> dharmi narrow minded world. > > > >> When God is with a person, he can > > > >> face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > > > >> you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > > > >> correct themselves however they are free at their > > > >> end. > > > >> > > > >> It's said that - " Jin > > > >> Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > > > >> Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > > > >> > > > >> None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > >> got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > >> appealing to you. > > > >> > > > >> regards, > > > >> Lalit Mishra. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 This is exactly one may like to do. C.S. Ravindramani On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:16 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vaniwrote: > > > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami > Vivekanadajee, I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather > than wasting any more time on the birthtime etc. :-) > > I hope I am not alone and some of the other folks are utilizing this > opportunity to study what Vivekananda jee experienced, shared and wanted us > to learn as opposed to waste time with his horoscope etc :-) > > PEACE! > > Rohiniranjan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Exactly the best way to do, rather than wasting time over moon in the 9th or 10th or 11th.... regards, Manoj ________________________________ C.S. Ravindramani <ravindramani Mon, February 15, 2010 9:31:50 AM Re: Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time  This is exactly one may like to do. C.S. Ravindramani On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:16 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>wrote: > > > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami > Vivekanadajee, I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather > than wasting any more time on the birthtime etc. :-) > > I hope I am not alone and some of the other folks are utilizing this > opportunity to study what Vivekananda jee experienced, shared and wanted us > to learn as opposed to waste time with his horoscope etc :-) > > PEACE! > > Rohiniranjan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Namaste friends, > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami Vivekanadajee, > I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than wasting > any more time on the birthtime etc. :-) You have a point. It is far more useful to study the essence of the teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ( " Gospel of Ramakrishna " compiled by M is more sublime than any book by Swami Vivekananda in my view). However, birthtimes and birthcharts of famous people will always be of interest to astrologers. * * * Lalit/Utkal seems to have a lot of time and sending too many mails saying that he has astrological reasons for 6:49 am, while we do not have such reasons for 6:33 am. The time of 6:33 am given in the biography fits the description that he was born before sunrise. The time of 6:49 am given in some later day books sounds like a rectified time by some astrologer, because lagna would barely change to Capricorn at 6:49 am. Some astrologer probably thought that Swamiji should have 9th and 10th lords in lagna giving Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga and Jupiter in 10th. However, his dhaarmik, fierce and magnetic personality is absolutely unexplained with Sun in the 12th house, whereas Sun in Sg lagna explains that personality so brilliantly. I have no reason to suspect the original recorded time and give credence to some astrologer's rectification possibly based on thumbrules and not-so-deep knowledge. For those who want astrological pointers, here are a few brief points on Sg lagna chart. There are many other points based on precise principles related to divisional longitudes, dasas and transits, but I will keep them for another day. (1) Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows a powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was). (2) Lagna in Sg shows a dharmik person of bold and fiery temperament. (3) The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house reckoning I pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). That shows someone adept at meditation. The 8th lord Moon with Saturn also shows a good sadhaka with detachment.s (4) Chara Aatma Kaaraka Sun is in 1st house (as opposed to 12th house with Cp lagna). Chara putra karaka Mercury (using the mixed 7/8 chara karaka method I shared earlier, based on Parasara's teachings) is also in the first house. AK and PK together or separately in 1st/5th houses is a great raja yoga and shows many followers. He was indeed the most famous from his group and had great following. (5) Navamsa shows the marital life. The 7th lord of rasi chart has a close conjunction with the 6th lord. He is in the 6th house in navamsa. That is not conducive to good marital life. (6) Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality. Saturn and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes), showing an ascetic. The 9th lord Mars is in the 10th house showing a fiery leader dedicated to dharma. In dasamsa, the 10th lord Venus is closely conjoined with the 5th lord Jupiter (within less than one degree using D-10 divisional longitudes!). This very powerful raja yoga shows a famous teacher. Moon, Jupiter and Venus occupy the 3rd house from lagna (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes) and it shows an excellent communicator, writer, poet and teacher. (7) Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict lagna. Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children. Afflicted 1st and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord of rasi chart (Mars) is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in D-7. Again, it does not support having progeny. (8) Vimsamsa has the 8th lord Sun in an adhimitra rasi with nodes and it is conducive to intense sadhana and excellent experiences. (9) In rasi chart, Mars is in 4th house (using the house method I shared based on Parasara's teachings) in own sign (Aries). This gives Ruchaka yoga. He was indeed a leader of men. (10) Dwadasamsa shows parents. The 9th house in D-12 is Ge. From there, the 10th lord Jupiter can show an attorney. Saturn and Ketu in the 9th house can show one who is practical and progressive in religion and dharma. Gemini lagna with Mars in it shows a disciplined rationalist. The 4th house is Cp and shows mother. Lagna lord with Ketu shows a spiritual person. The 9th lord Mercury being aspected by Sun and Jupiter shows one who follows religion. Saturn-Rahu-Ketu on the 8th house axis shows one who does a lot of austerities and sadhana. * * * BTW, talking about Swami Vivekananda's words and birthtimes, it may be interesting to note that he once dismissed astrology saying it is for the weak minds. Of course, every coin has two sides. Even a highly learned and eloquent person cannot represent all aspects of truth in one exposition. One may decide to throw light on one side of a coin and the other side of the coin may remain in the dark. A passionate and strong personality like Swami Vivekananda may sometimes focus strongly on one aspect at a time and seem to contradict himself later. Though I have no doubt that the internal understanding Swami Vivekananda had was probably perfect, spoken or written words cannot capture it accurately always. At the end, it is all divine play. Lord Rama firmly taught eka patni vrata, while Lord Krishna neither stressed it nor followed it. Lord Rama killed demons, while the later incarnation of Buddha taught non-violence. When gods and rishis come to earth, their main messages, their lila and their teachings may change from one incarnation to another depending on desa-kaala-paatra. Right and wrong may change from place to place and time to time. Each deity or saint or yogi has a specific job to do when he/she comes to earth. Swami Vivekananda lived at a different time compared to now. Who knows, he might not share the same thoughts on astrology if he were back here today. Though I know I am digressing, I wanted to make this point when someone posted a quote from Swami Vivekananda on astrology several months back and did not get time then to do so. Best regards, Narasimha - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Spirituality: Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings - > Namaste Lalit and others, > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda's book ( " God Lived With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in that book for an interesting Jyotish research. I am aware that he gave 6:49 am as the birthtime of Swami Vivekananda. > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda's birthtime is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami Nikhilananda). That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " . Please note that IST was not is use at that time and clearly the time is local mean time. > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain common sense to me. > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > * * * > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > appealing to you. > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is the goal of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover topics related to visions. > > /message/3651 > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 of gives a small account of a few of my experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me. Anyone can make claims, but this yogi actually satisfied the skeptic in me. > > /message/3481 > > * * * > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis. > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit wrote: > > > It's a day that > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > > This was third time,I visited > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > > to your followers. > > > > The great divine mother has finally > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > > dharmi narrow minded world. > > When God is with a person, he can > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > > correct themselves however they are free at their > > end. > > > > It's said that - " Jin > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > appealing to you. > > > > regards, > > Lalit Mishra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Dear Brother Narshimha, Question is why you are putting incorrect misleading reasoning to members - Review - Both 6.49 am and 6.33 am is time before sunrise that day. Why you are leaving one while advocating another. What weightage Parashara gave to D9, D10, D20, D30 in terms of rupa , refer to that before presenting these D charts as independent charts and even more important charts than the natal lagna chart. Why writing in misleading manner, come forward and post a comperative study using both the lagna giving shlokas from classics in your support, do not air your opinion only justifying to your incorrect approach that has no ground. Well, as you have circulated dozens of researches based on incorrect lagna and time, wd be difficult for you to correct yourself, well understood. You are comfortably overlooking the fact that there is no birth time like 6.33 am, Refer to scanned copy of Yug Nayak Vivekananda, encyclopedic biography of swami ji, this is already sent to you. Rohini Ranjan ji has already gaven details in JR group how incorrect 6.33 pm circulated which several people took as 6.33 am assuming a typo. 6.33 pm was published in 1908's AM by somebody and 6.33 pm is used in notable horoscope by BV Raman. I also gave a history referring to Devakinandan Singh who learn astrology in 1898 and written that dhanu lagna kundali is wrong in his book published in 1934, he was among those first people who got makar lagna kundali. You can very well check swami ji's healthy physic with mild obesity and his face, sun in lagna give rather slender physic, you can refer to classics, sun gives sharp pointed nose etc, if you look at his photographs you wd find his nose is flat, look at his beautiful black hairs and remember venus in lagna in meena navamsa, when jup is in venusian sign in 10th. Do not ignore leadership given by ruchaka mahapurush yoga in makar lagna kundali, in 4th which receives jup's aspect from 10th, this defines purpose of life. Most important is timing of his death, wd you take pains to elaborte resons by quoting shlokas from classics. That's open for you. Utkal. , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Namaste friends, > > > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami Vivekanadajee, > > I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than wasting > > any more time on the birthtime etc. :-) > > You have a point. It is far more useful to study the essence of the teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ( " Gospel of Ramakrishna " compiled by M is more sublime than any book by Swami Vivekananda in my view). > > However, birthtimes and birthcharts of famous people will always be of interest to astrologers. > > * * * > > Lalit/Utkal seems to have a lot of time and sending too many mails saying that he has astrological reasons for 6:49 am, while we do not have such reasons for 6:33 am. > > The time of 6:33 am given in the biography fits the description that he was born before sunrise. The time of 6:49 am given in some later day books sounds like a rectified time by some astrologer, because lagna would barely change to Capricorn at 6:49 am. Some astrologer probably thought that Swamiji should have 9th and 10th lords in lagna giving Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga and Jupiter in 10th. However, his dhaarmik, fierce and magnetic personality is absolutely unexplained with Sun in the 12th house, whereas Sun in Sg lagna explains that personality so brilliantly. I have no reason to suspect the original recorded time and give credence to some astrologer's rectification possibly based on thumbrules and not-so-deep knowledge. > > For those who want astrological pointers, here are a few brief points on Sg lagna chart. There are many other points based on precise principles related to divisional longitudes, dasas and transits, but I will keep them for another day. > > (1) Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows a powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was). > (2) Lagna in Sg shows a dharmik person of bold and fiery temperament. > (3) The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house reckoning I pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). That shows someone adept at meditation. The 8th lord Moon with Saturn also shows a good sadhaka with detachment.s > (4) Chara Aatma Kaaraka Sun is in 1st house (as opposed to 12th house with Cp lagna). Chara putra karaka Mercury (using the mixed 7/8 chara karaka method I shared earlier, based on Parasara's teachings) is also in the first house. AK and PK together or separately in 1st/5th houses is a great raja yoga and shows many followers. He was indeed the most famous from his group and had great following. > (5) Navamsa shows the marital life. The 7th lord of rasi chart has a close conjunction with the 6th lord. He is in the 6th house in navamsa. That is not conducive to good marital life. > (6) Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality. Saturn and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes), showing an ascetic. The 9th lord Mars is in the 10th house showing a fiery leader dedicated to dharma. In dasamsa, the 10th lord Venus is closely conjoined with the 5th lord Jupiter (within less than one degree using D-10 divisional longitudes!). This very powerful raja yoga shows a famous teacher. Moon, Jupiter and Venus occupy the 3rd house from lagna (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes) and it shows an excellent communicator, writer, poet and teacher. > (7) Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict lagna. Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children. Afflicted 1st and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord of rasi chart (Mars) is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in D-7. Again, it does not support having progeny. > (8) Vimsamsa has the 8th lord Sun in an adhimitra rasi with nodes and it is conducive to intense sadhana and excellent experiences. > (9) In rasi chart, Mars is in 4th house (using the house method I shared based on Parasara's teachings) in own sign (Aries). This gives Ruchaka yoga. He was indeed a leader of men. > (10) Dwadasamsa shows parents. The 9th house in D-12 is Ge. From there, the 10th lord Jupiter can show an attorney. Saturn and Ketu in the 9th house can show one who is practical and progressive in religion and dharma. Gemini lagna with Mars in it shows a disciplined rationalist. The 4th house is Cp and shows mother. Lagna lord with Ketu shows a spiritual person. The 9th lord Mercury being aspected by Sun and Jupiter shows one who follows religion. Saturn-Rahu-Ketu on the 8th house axis shows one who does a lot of austerities and sadhana. > > * * * > > BTW, talking about Swami Vivekananda's words and birthtimes, it may be interesting to note that he once dismissed astrology saying it is for the weak minds. > > Of course, every coin has two sides. Even a highly learned and eloquent person cannot represent all aspects of truth in one exposition. One may decide to throw light on one side of a coin and the other side of the coin may remain in the dark. A passionate and strong personality like Swami Vivekananda may sometimes focus strongly on one aspect at a time and seem to contradict himself later. Though I have no doubt that the internal understanding Swami Vivekananda had was probably perfect, spoken or written words cannot capture it accurately always. At the end, it is all divine play. Lord Rama firmly taught eka patni vrata, while Lord Krishna neither stressed it nor followed it. Lord Rama killed demons, while the later incarnation of Buddha taught non-violence. When gods and rishis come to earth, their main messages, their lila and their teachings may change from one incarnation to another depending on desa-kaala-paatra. Right and wrong may change from place to place and time to time. Each deity or saint or yogi has a specific job to do when he/she comes to earth. Swami Vivekananda lived at a different time compared to now. Who knows, he might not share the same thoughts on astrology if he were back here today. > > Though I know I am digressing, I wanted to make this point when someone posted a quote from Swami Vivekananda on astrology several months back and did not get time then to do so. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > - > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > Spirituality: > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > - > > > Namaste Lalit and others, > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda's book ( " God Lived With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in that book for an interesting Jyotish research. I am aware that he gave 6:49 am as the birthtime of Swami Vivekananda. > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda's birthtime is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami Nikhilananda). That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " . Please note that IST was not is use at that time and clearly the time is local mean time. > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain common sense to me. > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > > > * * * > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > appealing to you. > > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is the goal of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover topics related to visions. > > > > /message/3651 > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 of gives a small account of a few of my experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me. Anyone can make claims, but this yogi actually satisfied the skeptic in me. > > > > /message/3481 > > > > * * * > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis. > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > It's a day that > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > > > > This was third time,I visited > > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > > > to your followers. > > > > > > The great divine mother has finally > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > > > dharmi narrow minded world. > > > When God is with a person, he can > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > > > correct themselves however they are free at their > > > end. > > > > > > It's said that - " Jin > > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit Mishra. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Dear Narashimha, Â You also had done analysis of OBAMA birth details and proved any how that BIRTH details which you are having are correct as you had shown. Â And on the same line you also validated McCain's birth details and YOU HAD PREDICTED THAT IN US PREZ ELECTION McCAIN WOULD BE WINNER. Â But that prediction went 180 when US PREZ ELECTION got over. Â After some time you were caught using another details for D-60. Â Your Guru, Sanjay Rath has also shown your faults in astrology like you say 6'th house stands for Mantra because your one luminary Moon is associated by Rahu in 6'th, which no classics supports. So instead of writting so long long garbage it is better to accept SWAMI NIKHILANAND'S SECOND published work in which he has corrected Swamijis birth details and published it to be 6:47. Â Narashimha i would like to suggest you to work on your Ju as it is being aspected by all malefics in second ie Ma + Sa and Ra.You also abused your GUrus because of same reason. Â Regards, Pawan Maurya --- On Tue, 16/2/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time JyotishWritings Cc: , vedic astrology Tuesday, 16 February, 2010, 4:42 AM Â Namaste friends, > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami Vivekanadajee, > I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than wasting > any more time on the birthtime etc. :-) You have a point. It is far more useful to study the essence of the teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ( " Gospel of Ramakrishna " compiled by M is more sublime than any book by Swami Vivekananda in my view). However, birthtimes and birthcharts of famous people will always be of interest to astrologers. * * * Lalit/Utkal seems to have a lot of time and sending too many mails saying that he has astrological reasons for 6:49 am, while we do not have such reasons for 6:33 am. The time of 6:33 am given in the biography fits the description that he was born before sunrise. The time of 6:49 am given in some later day books sounds like a rectified time by some astrologer, because lagna would barely change to Capricorn at 6:49 am. Some astrologer probably thought that Swamiji should have 9th and 10th lords in lagna giving Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga and Jupiter in 10th. However, his dhaarmik, fierce and magnetic personality is absolutely unexplained with Sun in the 12th house, whereas Sun in Sg lagna explains that personality so brilliantly. I have no reason to suspect the original recorded time and give credence to some astrologer's rectification possibly based on thumbrules and not-so-deep knowledge. For those who want astrological pointers, here are a few brief points on Sg lagna chart. There are many other points based on precise principles related to divisional longitudes, dasas and transits, but I will keep them for another day. (1) Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows a powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was). (2) Lagna in Sg shows a dharmik person of bold and fiery temperament. (3) The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house reckoning I pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). That shows someone adept at meditation. The 8th lord Moon with Saturn also shows a good sadhaka with detachment.s (4) Chara Aatma Kaaraka Sun is in 1st house (as opposed to 12th house with Cp lagna). Chara putra karaka Mercury (using the mixed 7/8 chara karaka method I shared earlier, based on Parasara's teachings) is also in the first house. AK and PK together or separately in 1st/5th houses is a great raja yoga and shows many followers. He was indeed the most famous from his group and had great following. (5) Navamsa shows the marital life. The 7th lord of rasi chart has a close conjunction with the 6th lord. He is in the 6th house in navamsa. That is not conducive to good marital life. (6) Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality. Saturn and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes), showing an ascetic. The 9th lord Mars is in the 10th house showing a fiery leader dedicated to dharma. In dasamsa, the 10th lord Venus is closely conjoined with the 5th lord Jupiter (within less than one degree using D-10 divisional longitudes!) . This very powerful raja yoga shows a famous teacher. Moon, Jupiter and Venus occupy the 3rd house from lagna (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes) and it shows an excellent communicator, writer, poet and teacher. (7) Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict lagna. Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children. Afflicted 1st and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord of rasi chart (Mars) is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in D-7. Again, it does not support having progeny. (8) Vimsamsa has the 8th lord Sun in an adhimitra rasi with nodes and it is conducive to intense sadhana and excellent experiences. (9) In rasi chart, Mars is in 4th house (using the house method I shared based on Parasara's teachings) in own sign (Aries). This gives Ruchaka yoga. He was indeed a leader of men. (10) Dwadasamsa shows parents. The 9th house in D-12 is Ge. From there, the 10th lord Jupiter can show an attorney. Saturn and Ketu in the 9th house can show one who is practical and progressive in religion and dharma. Gemini lagna with Mars in it shows a disciplined rationalist. The 4th house is Cp and shows mother. Lagna lord with Ketu shows a spiritual person. The 9th lord Mercury being aspected by Sun and Jupiter shows one who follows religion. Saturn-Rahu- Ketu on the 8th house axis shows one who does a lot of austerities and sadhana. * * * BTW, talking about Swami Vivekananda' s words and birthtimes, it may be interesting to note that he once dismissed astrology saying it is for the weak minds. Of course, every coin has two sides. Even a highly learned and eloquent person cannot represent all aspects of truth in one exposition. One may decide to throw light on one side of a coin and the other side of the coin may remain in the dark. A passionate and strong personality like Swami Vivekananda may sometimes focus strongly on one aspect at a time and seem to contradict himself later. Though I have no doubt that the internal understanding Swami Vivekananda had was probably perfect, spoken or written words cannot capture it accurately always. At the end, it is all divine play. Lord Rama firmly taught eka patni vrata, while Lord Krishna neither stressed it nor followed it. Lord Rama killed demons, while the later incarnation of Buddha taught non-violence. When gods and rishis come to earth, their main messages, their lila and their teachings may change from one incarnation to another depending on desa-kaala-paatra. Right and wrong may change from place to place and time to time. Each deity or saint or yogi has a specific job to do when he/she comes to earth. Swami Vivekananda lived at a different time compared to now. Who knows, he might not share the same thoughts on astrology if he were back here today. Though I know I am digressing, I wanted to make this point when someone posted a quote from Swami Vivekananda on astrology several months back and did not get time then to do so. Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Namaste Lalit and others, > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in that book for an interesting Jyotish research. I am aware that he gave 6:49 am as the birthtime of Swami Vivekananda. > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " . Please note that IST was not is use at that time and clearly the time is local mean time. > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain common sense to me. > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > * * * > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > appealing to you. > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is the goal of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover topics related to visions. > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651 > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 of gives a small account of a few of my experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me. Anyone can make claims, but this yogi actually satisfied the skeptic in me. > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481 > > * * * > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis. > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote: > > > It's a day that > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > > This was third time,I visited > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > > to your followers. > > > > The great divine mother has finally > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > > dharmi narrow minded world. > > When God is with a person, he can > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > > correct themselves however they are free at their > > end. > > > > It's said that - " Jin > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > appealing to you. > > > > regards, > > Lalit Mishra. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Now this makes it interesting. It looks like a pair in hunting. Predictions do go wrong but reasoning never. Atleast Narasimha had the guts to present his reasoning for such a prediction in front of the group. Both of you have nothing to show in so far as astrological reasoning is concerned except self bragging. And you are discussing it with Narasimha, so confine yourself to Narasimha, why bring in Sanjay Rath into it or for that matter any other person who is not connected with it at all. Mouji ________________________________ Astro Talk <astro.talk Tue, February 16, 2010 1:25:28 PM Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time  Dear Narashimha,  You also had done analysis of OBAMA birth details and proved any how that BIRTH details which you are having are correct as you had shown.  And on the same line you also validated McCain's birth details and YOU HAD PREDICTED THAT IN US PREZ ELECTION McCAIN WOULD BE WINNER.  But that prediction went 180 when US PREZ ELECTION got over.  After some time you were caught using another details for D-60.  Your Guru, Sanjay Rath has also shown your faults in astrology like you say 6'th house stands for Mantra because your one luminary Moon is associated by Rahu in 6'th, which no classics supports. So instead of writting so long long garbage it is better to accept SWAMI NIKHILANAND' S SECOND published work in which he has corrected Swamijis birth details and published it to be 6:47.  Narashimha i would like to suggest you to work on your Ju as it is being aspected by all malefics in second ie Ma + Sa and Ra.You also abused your GUrus because of same reason.  Regards, Pawan Maurya --- On Tue, 16/2/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time JyotishWritings Cc: , vedic astrology Tuesday, 16 February, 2010, 4:42 AM  Namaste friends, > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami Vivekanadajee, > I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than wasting > any more time on the birthtime etc. :-) You have a point. It is far more useful to study the essence of the teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ( " Gospel of Ramakrishna " compiled by M is more sublime than any book by Swami Vivekananda in my view). However, birthtimes and birthcharts of famous people will always be of interest to astrologers. * * * Lalit/Utkal seems to have a lot of time and sending too many mails saying that he has astrological reasons for 6:49 am, while we do not have such reasons for 6:33 am. The time of 6:33 am given in the biography fits the description that he was born before sunrise. The time of 6:49 am given in some later day books sounds like a rectified time by some astrologer, because lagna would barely change to Capricorn at 6:49 am. Some astrologer probably thought that Swamiji should have 9th and 10th lords in lagna giving Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga and Jupiter in 10th. However, his dhaarmik, fierce and magnetic personality is absolutely unexplained with Sun in the 12th house, whereas Sun in Sg lagna explains that personality so brilliantly. I have no reason to suspect the original recorded time and give credence to some astrologer's rectification possibly based on thumbrules and not-so-deep knowledge. For those who want astrological pointers, here are a few brief points on Sg lagna chart. There are many other points based on precise principles related to divisional longitudes, dasas and transits, but I will keep them for another day. (1) Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows a powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was). (2) Lagna in Sg shows a dharmik person of bold and fiery temperament. (3) The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house reckoning I pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). That shows someone adept at meditation. The 8th lord Moon with Saturn also shows a good sadhaka with detachment.s (4) Chara Aatma Kaaraka Sun is in 1st house (as opposed to 12th house with Cp lagna). Chara putra karaka Mercury (using the mixed 7/8 chara karaka method I shared earlier, based on Parasara's teachings) is also in the first house. AK and PK together or separately in 1st/5th houses is a great raja yoga and shows many followers. He was indeed the most famous from his group and had great following. (5) Navamsa shows the marital life. The 7th lord of rasi chart has a close conjunction with the 6th lord. He is in the 6th house in navamsa. That is not conducive to good marital life. (6) Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality. Saturn and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes), showing an ascetic. The 9th lord Mars is in the 10th house showing a fiery leader dedicated to dharma. In dasamsa, the 10th lord Venus is closely conjoined with the 5th lord Jupiter (within less than one degree using D-10 divisional longitudes!) . This very powerful raja yoga shows a famous teacher. Moon, Jupiter and Venus occupy the 3rd house from lagna (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes) and it shows an excellent communicator, writer, poet and teacher. (7) Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict lagna. Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children. Afflicted 1st and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord of rasi chart (Mars) is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in D-7. Again, it does not support having progeny. (8) Vimsamsa has the 8th lord Sun in an adhimitra rasi with nodes and it is conducive to intense sadhana and excellent experiences. (9) In rasi chart, Mars is in 4th house (using the house method I shared based on Parasara's teachings) in own sign (Aries). This gives Ruchaka yoga. He was indeed a leader of men. (10) Dwadasamsa shows parents. The 9th house in D-12 is Ge. From there, the 10th lord Jupiter can show an attorney. Saturn and Ketu in the 9th house can show one who is practical and progressive in religion and dharma. Gemini lagna with Mars in it shows a disciplined rationalist. The 4th house is Cp and shows mother. Lagna lord with Ketu shows a spiritual person. The 9th lord Mercury being aspected by Sun and Jupiter shows one who follows religion. Saturn-Rahu- Ketu on the 8th house axis shows one who does a lot of austerities and sadhana. * * * BTW, talking about Swami Vivekananda' s words and birthtimes, it may be interesting to note that he once dismissed astrology saying it is for the weak minds. Of course, every coin has two sides. Even a highly learned and eloquent person cannot represent all aspects of truth in one exposition. One may decide to throw light on one side of a coin and the other side of the coin may remain in the dark. A passionate and strong personality like Swami Vivekananda may sometimes focus strongly on one aspect at a time and seem to contradict himself later. Though I have no doubt that the internal understanding Swami Vivekananda had was probably perfect, spoken or written words cannot capture it accurately always. At the end, it is all divine play. Lord Rama firmly taught eka patni vrata, while Lord Krishna neither stressed it nor followed it. Lord Rama killed demons, while the later incarnation of Buddha taught non-violence. When gods and rishis come to earth, their main messages, their lila and their teachings may change from one incarnation to another depending on desa-kaala-paatra. Right and wrong may change from place to place and time to time. Each deity or saint or yogi has a specific job to do when he/she comes to earth. Swami Vivekananda lived at a different time compared to now. Who knows, he might not share the same thoughts on astrology if he were back here today. Though I know I am digressing, I wanted to make this point when someone posted a quote from Swami Vivekananda on astrology several months back and did not get time then to do so. Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Namaste Lalit and others, > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in that book for an interesting Jyotish research. I am aware that he gave 6:49 am as the birthtime of Swami Vivekananda. > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " . Please note that IST was not is use at that time and clearly the time is local mean time. > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain common sense to me. > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > * * * > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > appealing to you. > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is the goal of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover topics related to visions. > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651 > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 of gives a small account of a few of my experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me. Anyone can make claims, but this yogi actually satisfied the skeptic in me. > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481 > > * * * > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis. > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote: > > > It's a day that > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > > This was third time,I visited > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > > to your followers. > > > > The great divine mother has finally > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > > dharmi narrow minded world. > > When God is with a person, he can > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > > correct themselves however they are free at their > > end. > > > > It's said that - " Jin > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > appealing to you. > > > > regards, > > Lalit Mishra. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 One error in typing :- Â // So instead of writting so long long garbage it is better to accept SWAMI NIKHILANAND' S SECOND published work in which he has corrected Swamijis birth details and published it to be 6:47. // So instead of writting so long long garbage it is better to accept SWAMI NIKHILANAND' S SECOND published work in which he has corrected Swamijis birth details and published it to be 6:49. Regards, Pawan Maurya --- On Tue, 16/2/10, Astro Talk <astro.talk wrote: Astro Talk <astro.talk Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time Tuesday, 16 February, 2010, 7:55 AM Â Dear Narashimha, Â You also had done analysis of OBAMA birth details and proved any how that BIRTH details which you are having are correct as you had shown. Â And on the same line you also validated McCain's birth details and YOU HAD PREDICTED THAT IN US PREZ ELECTION McCAIN WOULD BE WINNER. Â But that prediction went 180 when US PREZ ELECTION got over. Â After some time you were caught using another details for D-60. Â Your Guru, Sanjay Rath has also shown your faults in astrology like you say 6'th house stands for Mantra because your one luminary Moon is associated by Rahu in 6'th, which no classics supports. So instead of writting so long long garbage it is better to accept SWAMI NIKHILANAND' S SECOND published work in which he has corrected Swamijis birth details and published it to be 6:47. Â Narashimha i would like to suggest you to work on your Ju as it is being aspected by all malefics in second ie Ma + Sa and Ra.You also abused your GUrus because of same reason. Â Regards, Pawan Maurya --- On Tue, 16/2/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time JyotishWritings Cc: , vedic astrology Tuesday, 16 February, 2010, 4:42 AM Â Namaste friends, > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami Vivekanadajee, > I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than wasting > any more time on the birthtime etc. :-) You have a point. It is far more useful to study the essence of the teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ( " Gospel of Ramakrishna " compiled by M is more sublime than any book by Swami Vivekananda in my view). However, birthtimes and birthcharts of famous people will always be of interest to astrologers. * * * Lalit/Utkal seems to have a lot of time and sending too many mails saying that he has astrological reasons for 6:49 am, while we do not have such reasons for 6:33 am. The time of 6:33 am given in the biography fits the description that he was born before sunrise. The time of 6:49 am given in some later day books sounds like a rectified time by some astrologer, because lagna would barely change to Capricorn at 6:49 am. Some astrologer probably thought that Swamiji should have 9th and 10th lords in lagna giving Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga and Jupiter in 10th. However, his dhaarmik, fierce and magnetic personality is absolutely unexplained with Sun in the 12th house, whereas Sun in Sg lagna explains that personality so brilliantly. I have no reason to suspect the original recorded time and give credence to some astrologer's rectification possibly based on thumbrules and not-so-deep knowledge. For those who want astrological pointers, here are a few brief points on Sg lagna chart. There are many other points based on precise principles related to divisional longitudes, dasas and transits, but I will keep them for another day. (1) Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows a powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was). (2) Lagna in Sg shows a dharmik person of bold and fiery temperament. (3) The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house reckoning I pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). That shows someone adept at meditation. The 8th lord Moon with Saturn also shows a good sadhaka with detachment.s (4) Chara Aatma Kaaraka Sun is in 1st house (as opposed to 12th house with Cp lagna). Chara putra karaka Mercury (using the mixed 7/8 chara karaka method I shared earlier, based on Parasara's teachings) is also in the first house. AK and PK together or separately in 1st/5th houses is a great raja yoga and shows many followers. He was indeed the most famous from his group and had great following. (5) Navamsa shows the marital life. The 7th lord of rasi chart has a close conjunction with the 6th lord. He is in the 6th house in navamsa. That is not conducive to good marital life. (6) Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality. Saturn and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes), showing an ascetic. The 9th lord Mars is in the 10th house showing a fiery leader dedicated to dharma. In dasamsa, the 10th lord Venus is closely conjoined with the 5th lord Jupiter (within less than one degree using D-10 divisional longitudes!) . This very powerful raja yoga shows a famous teacher. Moon, Jupiter and Venus occupy the 3rd house from lagna (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes) and it shows an excellent communicator, writer, poet and teacher. (7) Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict lagna. Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children. Afflicted 1st and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord of rasi chart (Mars) is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in D-7. Again, it does not support having progeny. (8) Vimsamsa has the 8th lord Sun in an adhimitra rasi with nodes and it is conducive to intense sadhana and excellent experiences. (9) In rasi chart, Mars is in 4th house (using the house method I shared based on Parasara's teachings) in own sign (Aries). This gives Ruchaka yoga. He was indeed a leader of men. (10) Dwadasamsa shows parents. The 9th house in D-12 is Ge. From there, the 10th lord Jupiter can show an attorney. Saturn and Ketu in the 9th house can show one who is practical and progressive in religion and dharma. Gemini lagna with Mars in it shows a disciplined rationalist. The 4th house is Cp and shows mother. Lagna lord with Ketu shows a spiritual person. The 9th lord Mercury being aspected by Sun and Jupiter shows one who follows religion. Saturn-Rahu- Ketu on the 8th house axis shows one who does a lot of austerities and sadhana. * * * BTW, talking about Swami Vivekananda' s words and birthtimes, it may be interesting to note that he once dismissed astrology saying it is for the weak minds. Of course, every coin has two sides. Even a highly learned and eloquent person cannot represent all aspects of truth in one exposition. One may decide to throw light on one side of a coin and the other side of the coin may remain in the dark. A passionate and strong personality like Swami Vivekananda may sometimes focus strongly on one aspect at a time and seem to contradict himself later. Though I have no doubt that the internal understanding Swami Vivekananda had was probably perfect, spoken or written words cannot capture it accurately always. At the end, it is all divine play. Lord Rama firmly taught eka patni vrata, while Lord Krishna neither stressed it nor followed it. Lord Rama killed demons, while the later incarnation of Buddha taught non-violence. When gods and rishis come to earth, their main messages, their lila and their teachings may change from one incarnation to another depending on desa-kaala-paatra. Right and wrong may change from place to place and time to time. Each deity or saint or yogi has a specific job to do when he/she comes to earth. Swami Vivekananda lived at a different time compared to now. Who knows, he might not share the same thoughts on astrology if he were back here today. Though I know I am digressing, I wanted to make this point when someone posted a quote from Swami Vivekananda on astrology several months back and did not get time then to do so. Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Namaste Lalit and others, > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in that book for an interesting Jyotish research. I am aware that he gave 6:49 am as the birthtime of Swami Vivekananda. > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " . Please note that IST was not is use at that time and clearly the time is local mean time. > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain common sense to me. > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > * * * > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > appealing to you. > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is the goal of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover topics related to visions. > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651 > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 of gives a small account of a few of my experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me. Anyone can make claims, but this yogi actually satisfied the skeptic in me. > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481 > > * * * > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis. > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote: > > > It's a day that > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > > This was third time,I visited > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > > to your followers. > > > > The great divine mother has finally > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > > dharmi narrow minded world. > > When God is with a person, he can > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > > correct themselves however they are free at their > > end. > > > > It's said that - " Jin > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > appealing to you. > > > > regards, > > Lalit Mishra. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Namaste,  Though it was for Narasimha, I could not help but reply since this is a public forum.  And on the same line you also validated McCain's birth details and YOU HAD PREDICTED THAT IN US PREZ ELECTION McCAIN WOULD BE WINNER. You mean to say you have never made a wrong prediction in your life? Funny logic you guys have. Show me one astrologer who has NEVER made a wrong prediction. If you say you have never made a wrong prediction, I will say either you don't know astrology to even go and try to predict anything, or you are a plain liar.   So instead of writting so long long garbage it is better to accept SWAMI NIKHILANAND' S SECOND published work in which he has corrected Swamijis birth details and published it to be 6:47.  Can you or someone from your camp kindly provide the link to this forum which shows that Nikhilananda's second work " rectified " the timing? I am curious to know. The link that was provided does not work.   In another mail it was claimed both the times 6:33 and 6:47 are before sunrise. The panchang for that day shows the sunrise to have happened exactly at 6:47. Therefore, 6:47 is not before sunrise but exactly at sunrise. Whereas the biography says Vivekananda was born " before sunrise " .  So instead of writting so long long garbage  If you feel what he wrote is garbage why have you been responding for so long? Or maybe any idea that is alingned to your idea is garbage for you? Another most interesting thing I observed is that " makar lagna " camp take to abusing and using foul language at the drop of a hat. Maybe they feel lack of manners is something to be proud of. Probably they do not understand the word " civil discourse " . That two people can chose to disagree without being abusing/uncivil must be an alien idea to these people.  Pawan Maurya, disagree but in a civil manner. If others start using harsh langauge things can get really ugly.  -Regards  Rajarshi  Rama Naama Satya Hai.. --- On Tue, 16/2/10, Astro Talk <astro.talk wrote: Astro Talk <astro.talk Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time Tuesday, 16 February, 2010, 1:25 PM  Dear Narashimha,  You also had done analysis of OBAMA birth details and proved any how that BIRTH details which you are having are correct as you had shown.  And on the same line you also validated McCain's birth details and YOU HAD PREDICTED THAT IN US PREZ ELECTION McCAIN WOULD BE WINNER.  But that prediction went 180 when US PREZ ELECTION got over.  After some time you were caught using another details for D-60.  Your Guru, Sanjay Rath has also shown your faults in astrology like you say 6'th house stands for Mantra because your one luminary Moon is associated by Rahu in 6'th, which no classics supports. So instead of writting so long long garbage it is better to accept SWAMI NIKHILANAND' S SECOND published work in which he has corrected Swamijis birth details and published it to be 6:47.  Narashimha i would like to suggest you to work on your Ju as it is being aspected by all malefics in second ie Ma + Sa and Ra.You also abused your GUrus because of same reason.  Regards, Pawan Maurya --- On Tue, 16/2/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time JyotishWritings Cc: , vedic astrology Tuesday, 16 February, 2010, 4:42 AM  Namaste friends, > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami Vivekanadajee, > I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than wasting > any more time on the birthtime etc. :-) You have a point. It is far more useful to study the essence of the teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ( " Gospel of Ramakrishna " compiled by M is more sublime than any book by Swami Vivekananda in my view). However, birthtimes and birthcharts of famous people will always be of interest to astrologers. * * * Lalit/Utkal seems to have a lot of time and sending too many mails saying that he has astrological reasons for 6:49 am, while we do not have such reasons for 6:33 am. The time of 6:33 am given in the biography fits the description that he was born before sunrise. The time of 6:49 am given in some later day books sounds like a rectified time by some astrologer, because lagna would barely change to Capricorn at 6:49 am. Some astrologer probably thought that Swamiji should have 9th and 10th lords in lagna giving Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga and Jupiter in 10th. However, his dhaarmik, fierce and magnetic personality is absolutely unexplained with Sun in the 12th house, whereas Sun in Sg lagna explains that personality so brilliantly. I have no reason to suspect the original recorded time and give credence to some astrologer's rectification possibly based on thumbrules and not-so-deep knowledge. For those who want astrological pointers, here are a few brief points on Sg lagna chart. There are many other points based on precise principles related to divisional longitudes, dasas and transits, but I will keep them for another day. (1) Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows a powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was). (2) Lagna in Sg shows a dharmik person of bold and fiery temperament. (3) The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house reckoning I pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). That shows someone adept at meditation. The 8th lord Moon with Saturn also shows a good sadhaka with detachment.s (4) Chara Aatma Kaaraka Sun is in 1st house (as opposed to 12th house with Cp lagna). Chara putra karaka Mercury (using the mixed 7/8 chara karaka method I shared earlier, based on Parasara's teachings) is also in the first house. AK and PK together or separately in 1st/5th houses is a great raja yoga and shows many followers. He was indeed the most famous from his group and had great following. (5) Navamsa shows the marital life. The 7th lord of rasi chart has a close conjunction with the 6th lord. He is in the 6th house in navamsa. That is not conducive to good marital life. (6) Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality. Saturn and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes), showing an ascetic. The 9th lord Mars is in the 10th house showing a fiery leader dedicated to dharma. In dasamsa, the 10th lord Venus is closely conjoined with the 5th lord Jupiter (within less than one degree using D-10 divisional longitudes!) . This very powerful raja yoga shows a famous teacher. Moon, Jupiter and Venus occupy the 3rd house from lagna (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes) and it shows an excellent communicator, writer, poet and teacher. (7) Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict lagna. Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children. Afflicted 1st and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord of rasi chart (Mars) is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in D-7. Again, it does not support having progeny. (8) Vimsamsa has the 8th lord Sun in an adhimitra rasi with nodes and it is conducive to intense sadhana and excellent experiences. (9) In rasi chart, Mars is in 4th house (using the house method I shared based on Parasara's teachings) in own sign (Aries). This gives Ruchaka yoga. He was indeed a leader of men. (10) Dwadasamsa shows parents. The 9th house in D-12 is Ge. From there, the 10th lord Jupiter can show an attorney. Saturn and Ketu in the 9th house can show one who is practical and progressive in religion and dharma. Gemini lagna with Mars in it shows a disciplined rationalist. The 4th house is Cp and shows mother. Lagna lord with Ketu shows a spiritual person. The 9th lord Mercury being aspected by Sun and Jupiter shows one who follows religion. Saturn-Rahu- Ketu on the 8th house axis shows one who does a lot of austerities and sadhana. * * * BTW, talking about Swami Vivekananda' s words and birthtimes, it may be interesting to note that he once dismissed astrology saying it is for the weak minds. Of course, every coin has two sides. Even a highly learned and eloquent person cannot represent all aspects of truth in one exposition. One may decide to throw light on one side of a coin and the other side of the coin may remain in the dark. A passionate and strong personality like Swami Vivekananda may sometimes focus strongly on one aspect at a time and seem to contradict himself later. Though I have no doubt that the internal understanding Swami Vivekananda had was probably perfect, spoken or written words cannot capture it accurately always. At the end, it is all divine play. Lord Rama firmly taught eka patni vrata, while Lord Krishna neither stressed it nor followed it. Lord Rama killed demons, while the later incarnation of Buddha taught non-violence. When gods and rishis come to earth, their main messages, their lila and their teachings may change from one incarnation to another depending on desa-kaala-paatra. Right and wrong may change from place to place and time to time. Each deity or saint or yogi has a specific job to do when he/she comes to earth. Swami Vivekananda lived at a different time compared to now. Who knows, he might not share the same thoughts on astrology if he were back here today. Though I know I am digressing, I wanted to make this point when someone posted a quote from Swami Vivekananda on astrology several months back and did not get time then to do so. Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Namaste Lalit and others, > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in that book for an interesting Jyotish research. I am aware that he gave 6:49 am as the birthtime of Swami Vivekananda. > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " . Please note that IST was not is use at that time and clearly the time is local mean time. > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain common sense to me. > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > * * * > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > appealing to you. > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is the goal of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover topics related to visions. > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651 > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 of gives a small account of a few of my experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me. Anyone can make claims, but this yogi actually satisfied the skeptic in me. > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481 > > * * * > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis. > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote: > > > It's a day that > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > > This was third time,I visited > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > > to your followers. > > > > The great divine mother has finally > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > > dharmi narrow minded world. > > When God is with a person, he can > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > > correct themselves however they are free at their > > end. > > > > It's said that - " Jin > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > appealing to you. > > > > regards, > > Lalit Mishra. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Dear Utkal/Lalit etc.... //You can very well check swami ji's healthy physic with mild obesity and his face, sun in lagna give rather slender physic, you can refer to classics, sun gives sharp pointed nose etc, if you look at his photographs you wd find his nose is flat, look at his beautiful black hairs and remember venus in lagna in meena navamsa, when jup is in venusian sign in 10th.// i also have all these,sun in lagna etc and i was also told by some people i look like my guru i am 57yrs and my hair is still black though bald,my nose is also flat so what?... -gopi. , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi wrote: > > Dear Brother Narshimha, > > Question is why you are putting incorrect misleading reasoning to members - > > Review - > > Both 6.49 am and 6.33 am is time before sunrise that day. Why you are leaving one while advocating another. > > What weightage Parashara gave to D9, D10, D20, D30 in terms of rupa , refer to that before presenting these D charts as independent charts and even more important charts than the natal lagna chart. > > Why writing in misleading manner, come forward and post a comperative study using both the lagna giving shlokas from classics in your support, do not air your opinion only justifying to your incorrect approach that has no ground. > > Well, as you have circulated dozens of researches based on incorrect lagna and time, wd be difficult for you to correct yourself, well understood. > > You are comfortably overlooking the fact that there is no birth time like 6.33 am, Refer to scanned copy of Yug Nayak Vivekananda, encyclopedic biography of swami ji, this is already sent to you. > > Rohini Ranjan ji has already gaven details in JR group how incorrect 6.33 pm circulated which several people took as 6.33 am assuming a typo. 6.33 pm was published in 1908's AM by somebody and 6.33 pm is used in notable horoscope by BV Raman. > > I also gave a history referring to Devakinandan Singh who learn astrology in 1898 and written that dhanu lagna kundali is wrong in his book published in 1934, he was among those first people who got makar lagna kundali. > > You can very well check swami ji's healthy physic with mild obesity and his face, sun in lagna give rather slender physic, you can refer to classics, sun gives sharp pointed nose etc, if you look at his photographs you wd find his nose is flat, look at his beautiful black hairs and remember venus in lagna in meena navamsa, when jup is in venusian sign in 10th. > > Do not ignore leadership given by ruchaka mahapurush yoga in makar lagna kundali, in 4th which receives jup's aspect from 10th, this defines purpose of life. > > Most important is timing of his death, wd you take pains to elaborte resons by quoting shlokas from classics. > > That's open for you. > > Utkal. > , Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami Vivekanadajee, > > > I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than wasting > > > any more time on the birthtime etc. :-) > > > > You have a point. It is far more useful to study the essence of the teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ( " Gospel of Ramakrishna " compiled by M is more sublime than any book by Swami Vivekananda in my view). > > > > However, birthtimes and birthcharts of famous people will always be of interest to astrologers. > > > > * * * > > > > Lalit/Utkal seems to have a lot of time and sending too many mails saying that he has astrological reasons for 6:49 am, while we do not have such reasons for 6:33 am. > > > > The time of 6:33 am given in the biography fits the description that he was born before sunrise. The time of 6:49 am given in some later day books sounds like a rectified time by some astrologer, because lagna would barely change to Capricorn at 6:49 am. Some astrologer probably thought that Swamiji should have 9th and 10th lords in lagna giving Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga and Jupiter in 10th. However, his dhaarmik, fierce and magnetic personality is absolutely unexplained with Sun in the 12th house, whereas Sun in Sg lagna explains that personality so brilliantly. I have no reason to suspect the original recorded time and give credence to some astrologer's rectification possibly based on thumbrules and not-so-deep knowledge. > > > > For those who want astrological pointers, here are a few brief points on Sg lagna chart. There are many other points based on precise principles related to divisional longitudes, dasas and transits, but I will keep them for another day. > > > > (1) Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows a powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was). > > (2) Lagna in Sg shows a dharmik person of bold and fiery temperament. > > (3) The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house reckoning I pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). That shows someone adept at meditation. The 8th lord Moon with Saturn also shows a good sadhaka with detachment.s > > (4) Chara Aatma Kaaraka Sun is in 1st house (as opposed to 12th house with Cp lagna). Chara putra karaka Mercury (using the mixed 7/8 chara karaka method I shared earlier, based on Parasara's teachings) is also in the first house. AK and PK together or separately in 1st/5th houses is a great raja yoga and shows many followers. He was indeed the most famous from his group and had great following. > > (5) Navamsa shows the marital life. The 7th lord of rasi chart has a close conjunction with the 6th lord. He is in the 6th house in navamsa. That is not conducive to good marital life. > > (6) Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality. Saturn and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes), showing an ascetic. The 9th lord Mars is in the 10th house showing a fiery leader dedicated to dharma. In dasamsa, the 10th lord Venus is closely conjoined with the 5th lord Jupiter (within less than one degree using D-10 divisional longitudes!). This very powerful raja yoga shows a famous teacher. Moon, Jupiter and Venus occupy the 3rd house from lagna (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes) and it shows an excellent communicator, writer, poet and teacher. > > (7) Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict lagna. Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children. Afflicted 1st and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord of rasi chart (Mars) is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in D-7. Again, it does not support having progeny. > > (8) Vimsamsa has the 8th lord Sun in an adhimitra rasi with nodes and it is conducive to intense sadhana and excellent experiences. > > (9) In rasi chart, Mars is in 4th house (using the house method I shared based on Parasara's teachings) in own sign (Aries). This gives Ruchaka yoga. He was indeed a leader of men. > > (10) Dwadasamsa shows parents. The 9th house in D-12 is Ge. From there, the 10th lord Jupiter can show an attorney. Saturn and Ketu in the 9th house can show one who is practical and progressive in religion and dharma. Gemini lagna with Mars in it shows a disciplined rationalist. The 4th house is Cp and shows mother. Lagna lord with Ketu shows a spiritual person. The 9th lord Mercury being aspected by Sun and Jupiter shows one who follows religion. Saturn-Rahu-Ketu on the 8th house axis shows one who does a lot of austerities and sadhana. > > > > * * * > > > > BTW, talking about Swami Vivekananda's words and birthtimes, it may be interesting to note that he once dismissed astrology saying it is for the weak minds. > > > > Of course, every coin has two sides. Even a highly learned and eloquent person cannot represent all aspects of truth in one exposition. One may decide to throw light on one side of a coin and the other side of the coin may remain in the dark. A passionate and strong personality like Swami Vivekananda may sometimes focus strongly on one aspect at a time and seem to contradict himself later. Though I have no doubt that the internal understanding Swami Vivekananda had was probably perfect, spoken or written words cannot capture it accurately always. At the end, it is all divine play. Lord Rama firmly taught eka patni vrata, while Lord Krishna neither stressed it nor followed it. Lord Rama killed demons, while the later incarnation of Buddha taught non-violence. When gods and rishis come to earth, their main messages, their lila and their teachings may change from one incarnation to another depending on desa-kaala-paatra. Right and wrong may change from place to place and time to time. Each deity or saint or yogi has a specific job to do when he/she comes to earth. Swami Vivekananda lived at a different time compared to now. Who knows, he might not share the same thoughts on astrology if he were back here today. > > > > Though I know I am digressing, I wanted to make this point when someone posted a quote from Swami Vivekananda on astrology several months back and did not get time then to do so. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > Spirituality: > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > - > > > > > Namaste Lalit and others, > > > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda's book ( " God Lived With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in that book for an interesting Jyotish research. I am aware that he gave 6:49 am as the birthtime of Swami Vivekananda. > > > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda's birthtime is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami Nikhilananda). That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " . Please note that IST was not is use at that time and clearly the time is local mean time. > > > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain common sense to me. > > > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is the goal of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover topics related to visions. > > > > > > /message/3651 > > > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 of gives a small account of a few of my experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me. Anyone can make claims, but this yogi actually satisfied the skeptic in me. > > > > > > /message/3481 > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis. > > > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > It's a day that > > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > > > > > > This was third time,I visited > > > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > > > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I > > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > > > > to your followers. > > > > > > > > The great divine mother has finally > > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > > > > dharmi narrow minded world. > > > > When God is with a person, he can > > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > > > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > > > > correct themselves however they are free at their > > > > end. > > > > > > > > It's said that - " Jin > > > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > > > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Everyone born on this earth around Sunrise, would have Sun in Lagna. Can you generalise on this alone. How can you? It is called astrology. Now Utkal ji will not answer me because I am the nuisance maker because I question him on these aspects. Maybe Gopi ji, you are lucky, he may answer you. Mouji ________________________________ gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 Tue, February 16, 2010 4:36:12 PM Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time  Dear Utkal/Lalit etc.... //You can very well check swami ji's healthy physic with mild obesity and his face, sun in lagna give rather slender physic, you can refer to classics, sun gives sharp pointed nose etc, if you look at his photographs you wd find his nose is flat, look at his beautiful black hairs and remember venus in lagna in meena navamsa, when jup is in venusian sign in 10th.// i also have all these,sun in lagna etc and i was also told by some people i look like my guru i am 57yrs and my hair is still black though bald,my nose is also flat so what?... -gopi. , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Brother Narshimha, > > Question is why you are putting incorrect misleading reasoning to members - > > Review - > > Both 6.49 am and 6.33 am is time before sunrise that day. Why you are leaving one while advocating another. > > What weightage Parashara gave to D9, D10, D20, D30 in terms of rupa , refer to that before presenting these D charts as independent charts and even more important charts than the natal lagna chart. > > Why writing in misleading manner, come forward and post a comperative study using both the lagna giving shlokas from classics in your support, do not air your opinion only justifying to your incorrect approach that has no ground. > > Well, as you have circulated dozens of researches based on incorrect lagna and time, wd be difficult for you to correct yourself, well understood. > > You are comfortably overlooking the fact that there is no birth time like 6.33 am, Refer to scanned copy of Yug Nayak Vivekananda, encyclopedic biography of swami ji, this is already sent to you. > > Rohini Ranjan ji has already gaven details in JR group how incorrect 6.33 pm circulated which several people took as 6.33 am assuming a typo. 6.33 pm was published in 1908's AM by somebody and 6.33 pm is used in notable horoscope by BV Raman. > > I also gave a history referring to Devakinandan Singh who learn astrology in 1898 and written that dhanu lagna kundali is wrong in his book published in 1934, he was among those first people who got makar lagna kundali. > > You can very well check swami ji's healthy physic with mild obesity and his face, sun in lagna give rather slender physic, you can refer to classics, sun gives sharp pointed nose etc, if you look at his photographs you wd find his nose is flat, look at his beautiful black hairs and remember venus in lagna in meena navamsa, when jup is in venusian sign in 10th. > > Do not ignore leadership given by ruchaka mahapurush yoga in makar lagna kundali, in 4th which receives jup's aspect from 10th, this defines purpose of life. > > Most important is timing of his death, wd you take pains to elaborte resons by quoting shlokas from classics. > > That's open for you. > > Utkal. > , Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami Vivekanadajee, > > > I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than wasting > > > any more time on the birthtime etc. :-) > > > > You have a point. It is far more useful to study the essence of the teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ( " Gospel of Ramakrishna " compiled by M is more sublime than any book by Swami Vivekananda in my view). > > > > However, birthtimes and birthcharts of famous people will always be of interest to astrologers. > > > > * * * > > > > Lalit/Utkal seems to have a lot of time and sending too many mails saying that he has astrological reasons for 6:49 am, while we do not have such reasons for 6:33 am. > > > > The time of 6:33 am given in the biography fits the description that he was born before sunrise. The time of 6:49 am given in some later day books sounds like a rectified time by some astrologer, because lagna would barely change to Capricorn at 6:49 am. Some astrologer probably thought that Swamiji should have 9th and 10th lords in lagna giving Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga and Jupiter in 10th. However, his dhaarmik, fierce and magnetic personality is absolutely unexplained with Sun in the 12th house, whereas Sun in Sg lagna explains that personality so brilliantly. I have no reason to suspect the original recorded time and give credence to some astrologer's rectification possibly based on thumbrules and not-so-deep knowledge. > > > > For those who want astrological pointers, here are a few brief points on Sg lagna chart. There are many other points based on precise principles related to divisional longitudes, dasas and transits, but I will keep them for another day. > > > > (1) Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows a powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was). > > (2) Lagna in Sg shows a dharmik person of bold and fiery temperament. > > (3) The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house reckoning I pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). That shows someone adept at meditation. The 8th lord Moon with Saturn also shows a good sadhaka with detachment.s > > (4) Chara Aatma Kaaraka Sun is in 1st house (as opposed to 12th house with Cp lagna). Chara putra karaka Mercury (using the mixed 7/8 chara karaka method I shared earlier, based on Parasara's teachings) is also in the first house. AK and PK together or separately in 1st/5th houses is a great raja yoga and shows many followers. He was indeed the most famous from his group and had great following. > > (5) Navamsa shows the marital life. The 7th lord of rasi chart has a close conjunction with the 6th lord. He is in the 6th house in navamsa. That is not conducive to good marital life. > > (6) Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality. Saturn and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes), showing an ascetic. The 9th lord Mars is in the 10th house showing a fiery leader dedicated to dharma. In dasamsa, the 10th lord Venus is closely conjoined with the 5th lord Jupiter (within less than one degree using D-10 divisional longitudes!) . This very powerful raja yoga shows a famous teacher. Moon, Jupiter and Venus occupy the 3rd house from lagna (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes) and it shows an excellent communicator, writer, poet and teacher. > > (7) Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict lagna. Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children. Afflicted 1st and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord of rasi chart (Mars) is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in D-7. Again, it does not support having progeny. > > (8) Vimsamsa has the 8th lord Sun in an adhimitra rasi with nodes and it is conducive to intense sadhana and excellent experiences. > > (9) In rasi chart, Mars is in 4th house (using the house method I shared based on Parasara's teachings) in own sign (Aries). This gives Ruchaka yoga. He was indeed a leader of men. > > (10) Dwadasamsa shows parents. The 9th house in D-12 is Ge. From there, the 10th lord Jupiter can show an attorney. Saturn and Ketu in the 9th house can show one who is practical and progressive in religion and dharma. Gemini lagna with Mars in it shows a disciplined rationalist. The 4th house is Cp and shows mother. Lagna lord with Ketu shows a spiritual person. The 9th lord Mercury being aspected by Sun and Jupiter shows one who follows religion. Saturn-Rahu- Ketu on the 8th house axis shows one who does a lot of austerities and sadhana. > > > > * * * > > > > BTW, talking about Swami Vivekananda' s words and birthtimes, it may be interesting to note that he once dismissed astrology saying it is for the weak minds. > > > > Of course, every coin has two sides. Even a highly learned and eloquent person cannot represent all aspects of truth in one exposition. One may decide to throw light on one side of a coin and the other side of the coin may remain in the dark. A passionate and strong personality like Swami Vivekananda may sometimes focus strongly on one aspect at a time and seem to contradict himself later. Though I have no doubt that the internal understanding Swami Vivekananda had was probably perfect, spoken or written words cannot capture it accurately always. At the end, it is all divine play. Lord Rama firmly taught eka patni vrata, while Lord Krishna neither stressed it nor followed it. Lord Rama killed demons, while the later incarnation of Buddha taught non-violence. When gods and rishis come to earth, their main messages, their lila and their teachings may change from one incarnation to another depending on desa-kaala-paatra. Right and wrong may change from place to place and time to time. Each deity or saint or yogi has a specific job to do when he/she comes to earth. Swami Vivekananda lived at a different time compared to now. Who knows, he might not share the same thoughts on astrology if he were back here today. > > > > Though I know I am digressing, I wanted to make this point when someone posted a quote from Swami Vivekananda on astrology several months back and did not get time then to do so. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > Namaste Lalit and others, > > > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in that book for an interesting Jyotish research. I am aware that he gave 6:49 am as the birthtime of Swami Vivekananda. > > > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " . Please note that IST was not is use at that time and clearly the time is local mean time. > > > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain common sense to me. > > > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is the goal of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover topics related to visions. > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651 > > > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 of gives a small account of a few of my experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me. Anyone can make claims, but this yogi actually satisfied the skeptic in me. > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481 > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis. > > > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > It's a day that > > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > > > > > > This was third time,I visited > > > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > > > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I > > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > > > > to your followers. > > > > > > > > The great divine mother has finally > > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > > > > dharmi narrow minded world. > > > > When God is with a person, he can > > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > > > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > > > > correct themselves however they are free at their > > > > end. > > > > > > > > It's said that - " Jin > > > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > > > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Many great Astrologers here talking with Ascendant and divisional charts; Here are two cases for them to study; 1st is from Bhatinda 30n12 ; 75e00 the couple consulted few years back for the twin male issues, the birth time given was 1.58 AM for the 1st and 1.59 for the 2nd issue and date supplied was 19.1.2003 with birth at Bhatinda, both had different features and habits, I did not ask any thing give them the birth time as 1.55.05 for the 1st and 1.55.17 for another . what so ever I predicted was accurate , both the child have opposite nature. Another is today case,. A couple visited from Amritsar with charts for their twin Son and Daughter, they supplied birth date 20.8.2002 born at 23.00 hours at Amritsar for the Daughter and 23.00.30 for the Son; I rectified the time as 22.57.25 and 22.56.22 and described the differences in appearance and habits, every thing was true. You want to verify , I can provide the Mobile Phone no’s of both the Couples in private . Try if you can trace the reasons for rectification and the personality difference with this minute difference . Or do not waste your energies in searching Capricorn or Sagittarius, rather learn what Swami Vivekanand had taught and struggle to guide the young now available Vivekannads rather than to beak your heads on a person of History. With Best wishes, Inder Jit Sahni On Behalf Of Manoj Kumar 16 February, 2010 5:18 PM Re: Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time Everyone born on this earth around Sunrise, would have Sun in Lagna. Can you generalise on this alone. How can you? It is called astrology. Now Utkal ji will not answer me because I am the nuisance maker because I question him on these aspects. Maybe Gopi ji, you are lucky, he may answer you. Mouji ________________________________ gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 <gopi_b927%40> > <%40> Tue, February 16, 2010 4:36:12 PM Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time Dear Utkal/Lalit etc.... //You can very well check swami ji's healthy physic with mild obesity and his face, sun in lagna give rather slender physic, you can refer to classics, sun gives sharp pointed nose etc, if you look at his photographs you wd find his nose is flat, look at his beautiful black hairs and remember venus in lagna in meena navamsa, when jup is in venusian sign in 10th.// i also have all these,sun in lagna etc and i was also told by some people i look like my guru i am 57yrs and my hair is still black though bald,my nose is also flat so what?... -gopi. , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Brother Narshimha, > > Question is why you are putting incorrect misleading reasoning to members - > > Review - > > Both 6.49 am and 6.33 am is time before sunrise that day. Why you are leaving one while advocating another. > > What weightage Parashara gave to D9, D10, D20, D30 in terms of rupa , refer to that before presenting these D charts as independent charts and even more important charts than the natal lagna chart. > > Why writing in misleading manner, come forward and post a comperative study using both the lagna giving shlokas from classics in your support, do not air your opinion only justifying to your incorrect approach that has no ground. > > Well, as you have circulated dozens of researches based on incorrect lagna and time, wd be difficult for you to correct yourself, well understood. > > You are comfortably overlooking the fact that there is no birth time like 6.33 am, Refer to scanned copy of Yug Nayak Vivekananda, encyclopedic biography of swami ji, this is already sent to you. > > Rohini Ranjan ji has already gaven details in JR group how incorrect 6.33 pm circulated which several people took as 6.33 am assuming a typo. 6.33 pm was published in 1908's AM by somebody and 6.33 pm is used in notable horoscope by BV Raman. > > I also gave a history referring to Devakinandan Singh who learn astrology in 1898 and written that dhanu lagna kundali is wrong in his book published in 1934, he was among those first people who got makar lagna kundali. > > You can very well check swami ji's healthy physic with mild obesity and his face, sun in lagna give rather slender physic, you can refer to classics, sun gives sharp pointed nose etc, if you look at his photographs you wd find his nose is flat, look at his beautiful black hairs and remember venus in lagna in meena navamsa, when jup is in venusian sign in 10th. > > Do not ignore leadership given by ruchaka mahapurush yoga in makar lagna kundali, in 4th which receives jup's aspect from 10th, this defines purpose of life. > > Most important is timing of his death, wd you take pains to elaborte resons by quoting shlokas from classics. > > That's open for you. > > Utkal. > , Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami Vivekanadajee, > > > I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than wasting > > > any more time on the birthtime etc. :-) > > > > You have a point. It is far more useful to study the essence of the teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ( " Gospel of Ramakrishna " compiled by M is more sublime than any book by Swami Vivekananda in my view). > > > > However, birthtimes and birthcharts of famous people will always be of interest to astrologers. > > > > * * * > > > > Lalit/Utkal seems to have a lot of time and sending too many mails saying that he has astrological reasons for 6:49 am, while we do not have such reasons for 6:33 am. > > > > The time of 6:33 am given in the biography fits the description that he was born before sunrise. The time of 6:49 am given in some later day books sounds like a rectified time by some astrologer, because lagna would barely change to Capricorn at 6:49 am. Some astrologer probably thought that Swamiji should have 9th and 10th lords in lagna giving Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga and Jupiter in 10th. However, his dhaarmik, fierce and magnetic personality is absolutely unexplained with Sun in the 12th house, whereas Sun in Sg lagna explains that personality so brilliantly. I have no reason to suspect the original recorded time and give credence to some astrologer's rectification possibly based on thumbrules and not-so-deep knowledge. > > > > For those who want astrological pointers, here are a few brief points on Sg lagna chart. There are many other points based on precise principles related to divisional longitudes, dasas and transits, but I will keep them for another day. > > > > (1) Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows a powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was). > > (2) Lagna in Sg shows a dharmik person of bold and fiery temperament. > > (3) The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house reckoning I pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). That shows someone adept at meditation. The 8th lord Moon with Saturn also shows a good sadhaka with detachment.s > > (4) Chara Aatma Kaaraka Sun is in 1st house (as opposed to 12th house with Cp lagna). Chara putra karaka Mercury (using the mixed 7/8 chara karaka method I shared earlier, based on Parasara's teachings) is also in the first house. AK and PK together or separately in 1st/5th houses is a great raja yoga and shows many followers. He was indeed the most famous from his group and had great following. > > (5) Navamsa shows the marital life. The 7th lord of rasi chart has a close conjunction with the 6th lord. He is in the 6th house in navamsa. That is not conducive to good marital life. > > (6) Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality. Saturn and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes), showing an ascetic. The 9th lord Mars is in the 10th house showing a fiery leader dedicated to dharma. In dasamsa, the 10th lord Venus is closely conjoined with the 5th lord Jupiter (within less than one degree using D-10 divisional longitudes!) . This very powerful raja yoga shows a famous teacher. Moon, Jupiter and Venus occupy the 3rd house from lagna (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes) and it shows an excellent communicator, writer, poet and teacher. > > (7) Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict lagna. Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children. Afflicted 1st and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord of rasi chart (Mars) is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in D-7. Again, it does not support having progeny. > > (8) Vimsamsa has the 8th lord Sun in an adhimitra rasi with nodes and it is conducive to intense sadhana and excellent experiences. > > (9) In rasi chart, Mars is in 4th house (using the house method I shared based on Parasara's teachings) in own sign (Aries). This gives Ruchaka yoga. He was indeed a leader of men. > > (10) Dwadasamsa shows parents. The 9th house in D-12 is Ge. From there, the 10th lord Jupiter can show an attorney. Saturn and Ketu in the 9th house can show one who is practical and progressive in religion and dharma. Gemini lagna with Mars in it shows a disciplined rationalist. The 4th house is Cp and shows mother. Lagna lord with Ketu shows a spiritual person. The 9th lord Mercury being aspected by Sun and Jupiter shows one who follows religion. Saturn-Rahu- Ketu on the 8th house axis shows one who does a lot of austerities and sadhana. > > > > * * * > > > > BTW, talking about Swami Vivekananda' s words and birthtimes, it may be interesting to note that he once dismissed astrology saying it is for the weak minds. > > > > Of course, every coin has two sides. Even a highly learned and eloquent person cannot represent all aspects of truth in one exposition. One may decide to throw light on one side of a coin and the other side of the coin may remain in the dark. A passionate and strong personality like Swami Vivekananda may sometimes focus strongly on one aspect at a time and seem to contradict himself later. Though I have no doubt that the internal understanding Swami Vivekananda had was probably perfect, spoken or written words cannot capture it accurately always. At the end, it is all divine play. Lord Rama firmly taught eka patni vrata, while Lord Krishna neither stressed it nor followed it. Lord Rama killed demons, while the later incarnation of Buddha taught non-violence. When gods and rishis come to earth, their main messages, their lila and their teachings may change from one incarnation to another depending on desa-kaala-paatra. Right and wrong may change from place to place and time to time. Each deity or saint or yogi has a specific job to do when he/she comes to earth. Swami Vivekananda lived at a different time compared to now. Who knows, he might not share the same thoughts on astrology if he were back here today. > > > > Though I know I am digressing, I wanted to make this point when someone posted a quote from Swami Vivekananda on astrology several months back and did not get time then to do so. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > Namaste Lalit and others, > > > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in that book for an interesting Jyotish research. I am aware that he gave 6:49 am as the birthtime of Swami Vivekananda. > > > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " . Please note that IST was not is use at that time and clearly the time is local mean time. > > > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain common sense to me. > > > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is the goal of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover topics related to visions. > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651 > > > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 of gives a small account of a few of my experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me. Anyone can make claims, but this yogi actually satisfied the skeptic in me. > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481 > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis. > > > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > It's a day that > > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > > > > > > This was third time,I visited > > > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > > > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I > > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > > > > to your followers. > > > > > > > > The great divine mother has finally > > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > > > > dharmi narrow minded world. > > > > When God is with a person, he can > > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > > > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > > > > correct themselves however they are free at their > > > > end. > > > > > > > > It's said that - " Jin > > > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > > > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Inderjit ji, Your astrological acumen is well taken and well accepted. But please do tell us, on whom, are you throwing the onus of predicting these charts and I am sure you will also not accept the theory that if Sun is placed in this house, results would be like this. regards, Mouji ________________________________ Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni Tue, February 16, 2010 5:49:53 PM RE: Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time  Many great Astrologers here talking with Ascendant and divisional charts; Here are two cases for them to study; 1st is from Bhatinda 30n12 ; 75e00 the couple consulted few years back for the twin male issues, the birth time given was 1.58 AM for the 1st and 1.59 for the 2nd issue and date supplied was 19.1.2003 with birth at Bhatinda, both had different features and habits, I did not ask any thing give them the birth time as 1.55.05 for the 1st and 1.55.17 for another . what so ever I predicted was accurate , both the child have opposite nature. Another is today case,. A couple visited from Amritsar with charts for their twin Son and Daughter, they supplied birth date 20.8.2002 born at 23.00 hours at Amritsar for the Daughter and 23.00.30 for the Son; I rectified the time as 22.57.25 and 22.56.22 and described the differences in appearance and habits, every thing was true. You want to verify , I can provide the Mobile Phone no’s of both the Couples in private . Try if you can trace the reasons for rectification and the personality difference with this minute difference . Or do not waste your energies in searching Capricorn or Sagittarius, rather learn what Swami Vivekanand had taught and struggle to guide the young now available Vivekannads rather than to beak your heads on a person of History. With Best wishes, Inder Jit Sahni [] On Behalf Of Manoj Kumar 16 February, 2010 5:18 PM Re: Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time Everyone born on this earth around Sunrise, would have Sun in Lagna. Can you generalise on this alone. How can you? It is called astrology. Now Utkal ji will not answer me because I am the nuisance maker because I question him on these aspects. Maybe Gopi ji, you are lucky, he may answer you. Mouji ____________ _________ _________ __ gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 <gopi_ b927%40. com> > <JyotishGrou p%40. com> Tue, February 16, 2010 4:36:12 PM Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time Dear Utkal/Lalit etc.... //You can very well check swami ji's healthy physic with mild obesity and his face, sun in lagna give rather slender physic, you can refer to classics, sun gives sharp pointed nose etc, if you look at his photographs you wd find his nose is flat, look at his beautiful black hairs and remember venus in lagna in meena navamsa, when jup is in venusian sign in 10th.// i also have all these,sun in lagna etc and i was also told by some people i look like my guru i am 57yrs and my hair is still black though bald,my nose is also flat so what?... -gopi. , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Brother Narshimha, > > Question is why you are putting incorrect misleading reasoning to members - > > Review - > > Both 6.49 am and 6.33 am is time before sunrise that day. Why you are leaving one while advocating another. > > What weightage Parashara gave to D9, D10, D20, D30 in terms of rupa , refer to that before presenting these D charts as independent charts and even more important charts than the natal lagna chart. > > Why writing in misleading manner, come forward and post a comperative study using both the lagna giving shlokas from classics in your support, do not air your opinion only justifying to your incorrect approach that has no ground. > > Well, as you have circulated dozens of researches based on incorrect lagna and time, wd be difficult for you to correct yourself, well understood. > > You are comfortably overlooking the fact that there is no birth time like 6.33 am, Refer to scanned copy of Yug Nayak Vivekananda, encyclopedic biography of swami ji, this is already sent to you. > > Rohini Ranjan ji has already gaven details in JR group how incorrect 6.33 pm circulated which several people took as 6.33 am assuming a typo. 6.33 pm was published in 1908's AM by somebody and 6.33 pm is used in notable horoscope by BV Raman. > > I also gave a history referring to Devakinandan Singh who learn astrology in 1898 and written that dhanu lagna kundali is wrong in his book published in 1934, he was among those first people who got makar lagna kundali. > > You can very well check swami ji's healthy physic with mild obesity and his face, sun in lagna give rather slender physic, you can refer to classics, sun gives sharp pointed nose etc, if you look at his photographs you wd find his nose is flat, look at his beautiful black hairs and remember venus in lagna in meena navamsa, when jup is in venusian sign in 10th. > > Do not ignore leadership given by ruchaka mahapurush yoga in makar lagna kundali, in 4th which receives jup's aspect from 10th, this defines purpose of life. > > Most important is timing of his death, wd you take pains to elaborte resons by quoting shlokas from classics. > > That's open for you. > > Utkal. > , Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami Vivekanadajee, > > > I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than wasting > > > any more time on the birthtime etc. :-) > > > > You have a point. It is far more useful to study the essence of the teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ( " Gospel of Ramakrishna " compiled by M is more sublime than any book by Swami Vivekananda in my view). > > > > However, birthtimes and birthcharts of famous people will always be of interest to astrologers. > > > > * * * > > > > Lalit/Utkal seems to have a lot of time and sending too many mails saying that he has astrological reasons for 6:49 am, while we do not have such reasons for 6:33 am. > > > > The time of 6:33 am given in the biography fits the description that he was born before sunrise. The time of 6:49 am given in some later day books sounds like a rectified time by some astrologer, because lagna would barely change to Capricorn at 6:49 am. Some astrologer probably thought that Swamiji should have 9th and 10th lords in lagna giving Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga and Jupiter in 10th. However, his dhaarmik, fierce and magnetic personality is absolutely unexplained with Sun in the 12th house, whereas Sun in Sg lagna explains that personality so brilliantly. I have no reason to suspect the original recorded time and give credence to some astrologer's rectification possibly based on thumbrules and not-so-deep knowledge. > > > > For those who want astrological pointers, here are a few brief points on Sg lagna chart. There are many other points based on precise principles related to divisional longitudes, dasas and transits, but I will keep them for another day. > > > > (1) Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows a powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was). > > (2) Lagna in Sg shows a dharmik person of bold and fiery temperament. > > (3) The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house reckoning I pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). That shows someone adept at meditation. The 8th lord Moon with Saturn also shows a good sadhaka with detachment.s > > (4) Chara Aatma Kaaraka Sun is in 1st house (as opposed to 12th house with Cp lagna). Chara putra karaka Mercury (using the mixed 7/8 chara karaka method I shared earlier, based on Parasara's teachings) is also in the first house. AK and PK together or separately in 1st/5th houses is a great raja yoga and shows many followers. He was indeed the most famous from his group and had great following. > > (5) Navamsa shows the marital life. The 7th lord of rasi chart has a close conjunction with the 6th lord. He is in the 6th house in navamsa. That is not conducive to good marital life. > > (6) Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality. Saturn and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes), showing an ascetic. The 9th lord Mars is in the 10th house showing a fiery leader dedicated to dharma. In dasamsa, the 10th lord Venus is closely conjoined with the 5th lord Jupiter (within less than one degree using D-10 divisional longitudes!) . This very powerful raja yoga shows a famous teacher. Moon, Jupiter and Venus occupy the 3rd house from lagna (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes) and it shows an excellent communicator, writer, poet and teacher. > > (7) Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict lagna. Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children. Afflicted 1st and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord of rasi chart (Mars) is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in D-7. Again, it does not support having progeny. > > (8) Vimsamsa has the 8th lord Sun in an adhimitra rasi with nodes and it is conducive to intense sadhana and excellent experiences. > > (9) In rasi chart, Mars is in 4th house (using the house method I shared based on Parasara's teachings) in own sign (Aries). This gives Ruchaka yoga. He was indeed a leader of men. > > (10) Dwadasamsa shows parents. The 9th house in D-12 is Ge. From there, the 10th lord Jupiter can show an attorney. Saturn and Ketu in the 9th house can show one who is practical and progressive in religion and dharma. Gemini lagna with Mars in it shows a disciplined rationalist. The 4th house is Cp and shows mother. Lagna lord with Ketu shows a spiritual person. The 9th lord Mercury being aspected by Sun and Jupiter shows one who follows religion. Saturn-Rahu- Ketu on the 8th house axis shows one who does a lot of austerities and sadhana. > > > > * * * > > > > BTW, talking about Swami Vivekananda' s words and birthtimes, it may be interesting to note that he once dismissed astrology saying it is for the weak minds. > > > > Of course, every coin has two sides. Even a highly learned and eloquent person cannot represent all aspects of truth in one exposition. One may decide to throw light on one side of a coin and the other side of the coin may remain in the dark. A passionate and strong personality like Swami Vivekananda may sometimes focus strongly on one aspect at a time and seem to contradict himself later. Though I have no doubt that the internal understanding Swami Vivekananda had was probably perfect, spoken or written words cannot capture it accurately always. At the end, it is all divine play. Lord Rama firmly taught eka patni vrata, while Lord Krishna neither stressed it nor followed it. Lord Rama killed demons, while the later incarnation of Buddha taught non-violence. When gods and rishis come to earth, their main messages, their lila and their teachings may change from one incarnation to another depending on desa-kaala-paatra. Right and wrong may change from place to place and time to time. Each deity or saint or yogi has a specific job to do when he/she comes to earth. Swami Vivekananda lived at a different time compared to now. Who knows, he might not share the same thoughts on astrology if he were back here today. > > > > Though I know I am digressing, I wanted to make this point when someone posted a quote from Swami Vivekananda on astrology several months back and did not get time then to do so. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > Namaste Lalit and others, > > > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in that book for an interesting Jyotish research. I am aware that he gave 6:49 am as the birthtime of Swami Vivekananda. > > > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " . Please note that IST was not is use at that time and clearly the time is local mean time. > > > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain common sense to me. > > > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is the goal of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover topics related to visions. > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651 > > > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 of gives a small account of a few of my experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me. Anyone can make claims, but this yogi actually satisfied the skeptic in me. > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481 > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis. > > > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > It's a day that > > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > > > > > > This was third time,I visited > > > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > > > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I > > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > > > > to your followers. > > > > > > > > The great divine mother has finally > > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > > > > dharmi narrow minded world. > > > > When God is with a person, he can > > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > > > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > > > > correct themselves however they are free at their > > > > end. > > > > > > > > It's said that - " Jin > > > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > > > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 ha,ha,ha..... //Everyone born on this earth around Sunrise, would have Sun in Lagna. Can you generalise on this alone. How can you? It is called astrology.// i will never ever say that...... i had forgotten to add that my 8thL is also in 12th in a friendly sign but still i am alive by God's grace though i could have been bed ridden for life since i did not go for any treatment as such in my 49th year.One more thing i am also a bachelor(to the core)...... -gopi. // , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Everyone born on this earth around Sunrise, would have Sun in Lagna. Can you generalise on this alone. How can you? It is called astrology. > > Now Utkal ji will not answer me because I am the nuisance maker because I question him on these aspects. Maybe Gopi ji, you are lucky, he may answer you. > > Mouji > > > > > ________________________________ > gopalakrishna gopi_b927 > > Tue, February 16, 2010 4:36:12 PM > Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time > > Â > Dear Utkal/Lalit etc.... > //You can very well check swami ji's healthy physic with mild obesity > and his > face, sun in lagna give rather slender physic, you can refer to > classics, sun > gives sharp pointed nose etc, if you look at his photographs you wd find > his > nose is flat, look at his beautiful black hairs and remember venus in > lagna in > meena navamsa, when jup is in venusian sign in 10th.// > i also have all these,sun in lagna etc and i was also told by some > people i look like my guru i am 57yrs and my hair is still black though > bald,my nose is also flat so what?... > -gopi. > , " utkal.panigrahi " > <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Brother Narshimha, > > > > Question is why you are putting incorrect misleading reasoning to > members - > > > > Review - > > > > Both 6.49 am and 6.33 am is time before sunrise that day. Why you are > leaving one while advocating another. > > > > What weightage Parashara gave to D9, D10, D20, D30 in terms of rupa , > refer to that before presenting these D charts as independent charts and > even more important charts than the natal lagna chart. > > > > Why writing in misleading manner, come forward and post a comperative > study using both the lagna giving shlokas from classics in your support, > do not air your opinion only justifying to your incorrect approach that > has no ground. > > > > Well, as you have circulated dozens of researches based on incorrect > lagna and time, wd be difficult for you to correct yourself, well > understood. > > > > You are comfortably overlooking the fact that there is no birth time > like 6.33 am, Refer to scanned copy of Yug Nayak Vivekananda, > encyclopedic biography of swami ji, this is already sent to you. > > > > Rohini Ranjan ji has already gaven details in JR group how incorrect > 6.33 pm circulated which several people took as 6.33 am assuming a typo. > 6.33 pm was published in 1908's AM by somebody and 6.33 pm is used in > notable horoscope by BV Raman. > > > > I also gave a history referring to Devakinandan Singh who learn > astrology in 1898 and written that dhanu lagna kundali is wrong in his > book published in 1934, he was among those first people who got makar > lagna kundali. > > > > You can very well check swami ji's healthy physic with mild obesity > and his face, sun in lagna give rather slender physic, you can refer to > classics, sun gives sharp pointed nose etc, if you look at his > photographs you wd find his nose is flat, look at his beautiful black > hairs and remember venus in lagna in meena navamsa, when jup is in > venusian sign in 10th. > > > > Do not ignore leadership given by ruchaka mahapurush yoga in makar > lagna kundali, in 4th which receives jup's aspect from 10th, this > defines purpose of life. > > > > Most important is timing of his death, wd you take pains to elaborte > resons by quoting shlokas from classics. > > > > That's open for you. > > > > Utkal. > > , Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami > Vivekanadajee, > > > > I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than > wasting > > > > any more time on the birthtime etc. :-) > > > > > > You have a point. It is far more useful to study the essence of the > teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ( " Gospel of > Ramakrishna " compiled by M is more sublime than any book by Swami > Vivekananda in my view). > > > > > > However, birthtimes and birthcharts of famous people will always be > of interest to astrologers. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Lalit/Utkal seems to have a lot of time and sending too many mails > saying that he has astrological reasons for 6:49 am, while we do not > have such reasons for 6:33 am. > > > > > > The time of 6:33 am given in the biography fits the description that > he was born before sunrise. The time of 6:49 am given in some later day > books sounds like a rectified time by some astrologer, because lagna > would barely change to Capricorn at 6:49 am. Some astrologer probably > thought that Swamiji should have 9th and 10th lords in lagna giving > Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga and Jupiter in 10th. However, his dhaarmik, > fierce and magnetic personality is absolutely unexplained with Sun in > the 12th house, whereas Sun in Sg lagna explains that personality so > brilliantly. I have no reason to suspect the original recorded time and > give credence to some astrologer's rectification possibly based on > thumbrules and not-so-deep knowledge. > > > > > > For those who want astrological pointers, here are a few brief > points on Sg lagna chart. There are many other points based on precise > principles related to divisional longitudes, dasas and transits, but I > will keep them for another day. > > > > > > (1) Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows > a powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was). > > > (2) Lagna in Sg shows a dharmik person of bold and fiery > temperament. > > > (3) The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house > reckoning I pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). That > shows someone adept at meditation. The 8th lord Moon with Saturn also > shows a good sadhaka with detachment.s > > > (4) Chara Aatma Kaaraka Sun is in 1st house (as opposed to 12th > house with Cp lagna). Chara putra karaka Mercury (using the mixed 7/8 > chara karaka method I shared earlier, based on Parasara's teachings) is > also in the first house. AK and PK together or separately in 1st/5th > houses is a great raja yoga and shows many followers. He was indeed the > most famous from his group and had great following. > > > (5) Navamsa shows the marital life. The 7th lord of rasi chart has a > close conjunction with the 6th lord. He is in the 6th house in navamsa. > That is not conducive to good marital life. > > > (6) Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality. > Saturn and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I > defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional > longitudes), showing an ascetic. The 9th lord Mars is in the 10th house > showing a fiery leader dedicated to dharma. In dasamsa, the 10th lord > Venus is closely conjoined with the 5th lord Jupiter (within less than > one degree using D-10 divisional longitudes!) . This very powerful raja > yoga shows a famous teacher. Moon, Jupiter and Venus occupy the 3rd > house from lagna (I am using the house method I defined based on > Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes) and it shows an > excellent communicator, writer, poet and teacher. > > > (7) Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict > lagna. Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children. > Afflicted 1st and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord > of rasi chart (Mars) is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in > D-7. Again, it does not support having progeny. > > > (8) Vimsamsa has the 8th lord Sun in an adhimitra rasi with nodes > and it is conducive to intense sadhana and excellent experiences. > > > (9) In rasi chart, Mars is in 4th house (using the house method I > shared based on Parasara's teachings) in own sign (Aries). This gives > Ruchaka yoga. He was indeed a leader of men. > > > (10) Dwadasamsa shows parents. The 9th house in D-12 is Ge. From > there, the 10th lord Jupiter can show an attorney. Saturn and Ketu in > the 9th house can show one who is practical and progressive in religion > and dharma. Gemini lagna with Mars in it shows a disciplined > rationalist. The 4th house is Cp and shows mother. Lagna lord with Ketu > shows a spiritual person. The 9th lord Mercury being aspected by Sun and > Jupiter shows one who follows religion. Saturn-Rahu- Ketu on the 8th > house axis shows one who does a lot of austerities and sadhana. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > BTW, talking about Swami Vivekananda' s words and birthtimes, it may > be interesting to note that he once dismissed astrology saying it is for > the weak minds. > > > > > > Of course, every coin has two sides. Even a highly learned and > eloquent person cannot represent all aspects of truth in one exposition. > One may decide to throw light on one side of a coin and the other side > of the coin may remain in the dark. A passionate and strong personality > like Swami Vivekananda may sometimes focus strongly on one aspect at a > time and seem to contradict himself later. Though I have no doubt that > the internal understanding Swami Vivekananda had was probably perfect, > spoken or written words cannot capture it accurately always. At the end, > it is all divine play. Lord Rama firmly taught eka patni vrata, while > Lord Krishna neither stressed it nor followed it. Lord Rama killed > demons, while the later incarnation of Buddha taught non-violence. When > gods and rishis come to earth, their main messages, their lila and their > teachings may change from one incarnation to another depending on > desa-kaala-paatra. Right and wrong may change from place to place and > time to time. Each deity or saint or yogi has a specific job to do when > he/she comes to earth. Swami Vivekananda lived at a different time > compared to now. Who knows, he might not share the same thoughts on > astrology if he were back here today. > > > > > > Though I know I am digressing, I wanted to make this point when > someone posted a quote from Swami Vivekananda on astrology several > months back and did not get time then to do so. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > Namaste Lalit and others, > > > > > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived > With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri > Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in that book > for an interesting Jyotish research. I am aware that he gave 6:49 am as > the birthtime of Swami Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime > is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami > Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book > clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " . Please > note that IST was not is use at that time and clearly the time is local > mean time. > > > > > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone > actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain > common sense to me. > > > > > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and > not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an > obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to > those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a > hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is the goal > of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover topics > related to visions. > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651 > > > > > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference > between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 > of gives a small account of a few of my > experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me. Anyone can > make claims, but this yogi actually satisfied the skeptic in me. > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481 > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very > hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent > person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can > understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, > it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in > this knowledge of rishis. > > > > > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge > I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in > your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > It's a day that > > > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > > > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > > > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > > > > > > > > This was third time,I visited > > > > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > > > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > > > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > > > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > > > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > > > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > > > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > > > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > > > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > > > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > > > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > > > > > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I > > > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > > > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > > > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > > > > > to your followers. > > > > > > > > > > The great divine mother has finally > > > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > > > > > dharmi narrow minded world. > > > > > When God is with a person, he can > > > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > > > > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > > > > > correct themselves however they are free at their > > > > > end. > > > > > > > > > > It's said that - " Jin > > > > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > > > > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > > > > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Dear Inderjit ji, //do not waste your energies in searching Capricorn or Sagittarius, rather learn what Swami Vivekanand had taught and struggle to guide the young now available Vivekannads rather than to beak your heads on a person of History.// i like/agree with you totally and second it..... Love and regards, gopi. , " Inder Jit Sahni " <inder_jit_sahni wrote: > > Many great Astrologers here talking with Ascendant and divisional charts; > > Here are two cases for them to study; > > 1st is from Bhatinda 30n12 ; 75e00 the couple consulted few years back for the twin male issues, the birth time given was 1.58 AM for the 1st and 1.59 for the 2nd issue and date supplied was 19.1.2003 with birth at Bhatinda, both had different features and habits, I did not ask any thing give them the birth time as 1.55.05 for the 1st and 1.55.17 for another . what so ever I predicted was accurate , both the child have opposite nature. > > Another is today case,. > > A couple visited from Amritsar with charts for their twin Son and Daughter, they supplied birth date 20.8.2002 born at 23.00 hours at Amritsar for the Daughter and 23.00.30 for the Son; I rectified the time as 22.57.25 and 22.56.22 and described the differences in appearance and habits, every thing was true. > > You want to verify , I can provide the Mobile Phone no’s of both the Couples in private . > > Try if you can trace the reasons for rectification and the personality difference with this minute difference . > > Or do not waste your energies in searching Capricorn or Sagittarius, rather learn what Swami Vivekanand had taught and struggle to guide the young now available Vivekannads rather than to beak your heads on a person of History. > > With Best wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni > > > > > > On Behalf Of Manoj Kumar > 16 February, 2010 5:18 PM > > Re: Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time > > > > > > Everyone born on this earth around Sunrise, would have Sun in Lagna. Can you generalise on this alone. How can you? It is called astrology. > > Now Utkal ji will not answer me because I am the nuisance maker because I question him on these aspects. Maybe Gopi ji, you are lucky, he may answer you. > > Mouji > > ________________________________ > gopalakrishna gopi_b927 <gopi_b927%40> > > <%40> > Tue, February 16, 2010 4:36:12 PM > Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time > > > Dear Utkal/Lalit etc.... > //You can very well check swami ji's healthy physic with mild obesity > and his > face, sun in lagna give rather slender physic, you can refer to > classics, sun > gives sharp pointed nose etc, if you look at his photographs you wd find > his > nose is flat, look at his beautiful black hairs and remember venus in > lagna in > meena navamsa, when jup is in venusian sign in 10th.// > i also have all these,sun in lagna etc and i was also told by some > people i look like my guru i am 57yrs and my hair is still black though > bald,my nose is also flat so what?... > -gopi. > , " utkal.panigrahi " > <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Brother Narshimha, > > > > Question is why you are putting incorrect misleading reasoning to > members - > > > > Review - > > > > Both 6.49 am and 6.33 am is time before sunrise that day. Why you are > leaving one while advocating another. > > > > What weightage Parashara gave to D9, D10, D20, D30 in terms of rupa , > refer to that before presenting these D charts as independent charts and > even more important charts than the natal lagna chart. > > > > Why writing in misleading manner, come forward and post a comperative > study using both the lagna giving shlokas from classics in your support, > do not air your opinion only justifying to your incorrect approach that > has no ground. > > > > Well, as you have circulated dozens of researches based on incorrect > lagna and time, wd be difficult for you to correct yourself, well > understood. > > > > You are comfortably overlooking the fact that there is no birth time > like 6.33 am, Refer to scanned copy of Yug Nayak Vivekananda, > encyclopedic biography of swami ji, this is already sent to you. > > > > Rohini Ranjan ji has already gaven details in JR group how incorrect > 6.33 pm circulated which several people took as 6.33 am assuming a typo. > 6.33 pm was published in 1908's AM by somebody and 6.33 pm is used in > notable horoscope by BV Raman. > > > > I also gave a history referring to Devakinandan Singh who learn > astrology in 1898 and written that dhanu lagna kundali is wrong in his > book published in 1934, he was among those first people who got makar > lagna kundali. > > > > You can very well check swami ji's healthy physic with mild obesity > and his face, sun in lagna give rather slender physic, you can refer to > classics, sun gives sharp pointed nose etc, if you look at his > photographs you wd find his nose is flat, look at his beautiful black > hairs and remember venus in lagna in meena navamsa, when jup is in > venusian sign in 10th. > > > > Do not ignore leadership given by ruchaka mahapurush yoga in makar > lagna kundali, in 4th which receives jup's aspect from 10th, this > defines purpose of life. > > > > Most important is timing of his death, wd you take pains to elaborte > resons by quoting shlokas from classics. > > > > That's open for you. > > > > Utkal. > > , Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami > Vivekanadajee, > > > > I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than > wasting > > > > any more time on the birthtime etc. :-) > > > > > > You have a point. It is far more useful to study the essence of the > teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ( " Gospel of > Ramakrishna " compiled by M is more sublime than any book by Swami > Vivekananda in my view). > > > > > > However, birthtimes and birthcharts of famous people will always be > of interest to astrologers. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Lalit/Utkal seems to have a lot of time and sending too many mails > saying that he has astrological reasons for 6:49 am, while we do not > have such reasons for 6:33 am. > > > > > > The time of 6:33 am given in the biography fits the description that > he was born before sunrise. The time of 6:49 am given in some later day > books sounds like a rectified time by some astrologer, because lagna > would barely change to Capricorn at 6:49 am. Some astrologer probably > thought that Swamiji should have 9th and 10th lords in lagna giving > Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga and Jupiter in 10th. However, his dhaarmik, > fierce and magnetic personality is absolutely unexplained with Sun in > the 12th house, whereas Sun in Sg lagna explains that personality so > brilliantly. I have no reason to suspect the original recorded time and > give credence to some astrologer's rectification possibly based on > thumbrules and not-so-deep knowledge. > > > > > > For those who want astrological pointers, here are a few brief > points on Sg lagna chart. There are many other points based on precise > principles related to divisional longitudes, dasas and transits, but I > will keep them for another day. > > > > > > (1) Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows > a powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was). > > > (2) Lagna in Sg shows a dharmik person of bold and fiery > temperament. > > > (3) The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house > reckoning I pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). That > shows someone adept at meditation. The 8th lord Moon with Saturn also > shows a good sadhaka with detachment.s > > > (4) Chara Aatma Kaaraka Sun is in 1st house (as opposed to 12th > house with Cp lagna). Chara putra karaka Mercury (using the mixed 7/8 > chara karaka method I shared earlier, based on Parasara's teachings) is > also in the first house. AK and PK together or separately in 1st/5th > houses is a great raja yoga and shows many followers. He was indeed the > most famous from his group and had great following. > > > (5) Navamsa shows the marital life. The 7th lord of rasi chart has a > close conjunction with the 6th lord. He is in the 6th house in navamsa. > That is not conducive to good marital life. > > > (6) Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality. > Saturn and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I > defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional > longitudes), showing an ascetic. The 9th lord Mars is in the 10th house > showing a fiery leader dedicated to dharma. In dasamsa, the 10th lord > Venus is closely conjoined with the 5th lord Jupiter (within less than > one degree using D-10 divisional longitudes!) . This very powerful raja > yoga shows a famous teacher. Moon, Jupiter and Venus occupy the 3rd > house from lagna (I am using the house method I defined based on > Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes) and it shows an > excellent communicator, writer, poet and teacher. > > > (7) Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict > lagna. Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children. > Afflicted 1st and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord > of rasi chart (Mars) is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in > D-7. Again, it does not support having progeny. > > > (8) Vimsamsa has the 8th lord Sun in an adhimitra rasi with nodes > and it is conducive to intense sadhana and excellent experiences. > > > (9) In rasi chart, Mars is in 4th house (using the house method I > shared based on Parasara's teachings) in own sign (Aries). This gives > Ruchaka yoga. He was indeed a leader of men. > > > (10) Dwadasamsa shows parents. The 9th house in D-12 is Ge. From > there, the 10th lord Jupiter can show an attorney. Saturn and Ketu in > the 9th house can show one who is practical and progressive in religion > and dharma. Gemini lagna with Mars in it shows a disciplined > rationalist. The 4th house is Cp and shows mother. Lagna lord with Ketu > shows a spiritual person. The 9th lord Mercury being aspected by Sun and > Jupiter shows one who follows religion. Saturn-Rahu- Ketu on the 8th > house axis shows one who does a lot of austerities and sadhana. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > BTW, talking about Swami Vivekananda' s words and birthtimes, it may > be interesting to note that he once dismissed astrology saying it is for > the weak minds. > > > > > > Of course, every coin has two sides. Even a highly learned and > eloquent person cannot represent all aspects of truth in one exposition. > One may decide to throw light on one side of a coin and the other side > of the coin may remain in the dark. A passionate and strong personality > like Swami Vivekananda may sometimes focus strongly on one aspect at a > time and seem to contradict himself later. Though I have no doubt that > the internal understanding Swami Vivekananda had was probably perfect, > spoken or written words cannot capture it accurately always. At the end, > it is all divine play. Lord Rama firmly taught eka patni vrata, while > Lord Krishna neither stressed it nor followed it. Lord Rama killed > demons, while the later incarnation of Buddha taught non-violence. When > gods and rishis come to earth, their main messages, their lila and their > teachings may change from one incarnation to another depending on > desa-kaala-paatra. Right and wrong may change from place to place and > time to time. Each deity or saint or yogi has a specific job to do when > he/she comes to earth. Swami Vivekananda lived at a different time > compared to now. Who knows, he might not share the same thoughts on > astrology if he were back here today. > > > > > > Though I know I am digressing, I wanted to make this point when > someone posted a quote from Swami Vivekananda on astrology several > months back and did not get time then to do so. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > Namaste Lalit and others, > > > > > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived > With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri > Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in that book > for an interesting Jyotish research. I am aware that he gave 6:49 am as > the birthtime of Swami Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime > is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami > Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book > clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " . Please > note that IST was not is use at that time and clearly the time is local > mean time. > > > > > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone > actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain > common sense to me. > > > > > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and > not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an > obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to > those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a > hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is the goal > of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover topics > related to visions. > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651 > > > > > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference > between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 > of gives a small account of a few of my > experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me. Anyone can > make claims, but this yogi actually satisfied the skeptic in me. > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481 > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very > hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent > person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can > understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, > it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in > this knowledge of rishis. > > > > > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge > I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in > your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > It's a day that > > > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > > > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > > > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > > > > > > > > This was third time,I visited > > > > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > > > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > > > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > > > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > > > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > > > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > > > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > > > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > > > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > > > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > > > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > > > > > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I > > > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > > > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > > > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > > > > > to your followers. > > > > > > > > > > The great divine mother has finally > > > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > > > > > dharmi narrow minded world. > > > > > When God is with a person, he can > > > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > > > > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > > > > > correct themselves however they are free at their > > > > > end. > > > > > > > > > > It's said that - " Jin > > > > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > > > > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > > > > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Dear SIr, Sun rise on Jan 12 , 1863 was 6.46.43 according to Calcutta local time. In those days !ST was not in use. G. K. Goel address: L-409 Sarita Vihar, New Delhi - 110076 tel: 011-26943689, 011-41403352, mobile: 09350311433 utkal.panigrahi Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:33:25 +0000 Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time Dear Brother Narshimha, Question is why you are putting incorrect misleading reasoning to members - Review - Both 6.49 am and 6.33 am is time before sunrise that day. Why you are leaving one while advocating another. What weightage Parashara gave to D9, D10, D20, D30 in terms of rupa , refer to that before presenting these D charts as independent charts and even more important charts than the natal lagna chart. Why writing in misleading manner, come forward and post a comperative study using both the lagna giving shlokas from classics in your support, do not air your opinion only justifying to your incorrect approach that has no ground. Well, as you have circulated dozens of researches based on incorrect lagna and time, wd be difficult for you to correct yourself, well understood. You are comfortably overlooking the fact that there is no birth time like 6.33 am, Refer to scanned copy of Yug Nayak Vivekananda, encyclopedic biography of swami ji, this is already sent to you. Rohini Ranjan ji has already gaven details in JR group how incorrect 6.33 pm circulated which several people took as 6.33 am assuming a typo. 6.33 pm was published in 1908's AM by somebody and 6.33 pm is used in notable horoscope by BV Raman. I also gave a history referring to Devakinandan Singh who learn astrology in 1898 and written that dhanu lagna kundali is wrong in his book published in 1934, he was among those first people who got makar lagna kundali. You can very well check swami ji's healthy physic with mild obesity and his face, sun in lagna give rather slender physic, you can refer to classics, sun gives sharp pointed nose etc, if you look at his photographs you wd find his nose is flat, look at his beautiful black hairs and remember venus in lagna in meena navamsa, when jup is in venusian sign in 10th. Do not ignore leadership given by ruchaka mahapurush yoga in makar lagna kundali, in 4th which receives jup's aspect from 10th, this defines purpose of life. Most important is timing of his death, wd you take pains to elaborte resons by quoting shlokas from classics. That's open for you. Utkal. , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Namaste friends, > > > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami Vivekanadajee, > > I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than wasting > > any more time on the birthtime etc. :-) > > You have a point. It is far more useful to study the essence of the teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ( " Gospel of Ramakrishna " compiled by M is more sublime than any book by Swami Vivekananda in my view). > > However, birthtimes and birthcharts of famous people will always be of interest to astrologers. > > * * * > > Lalit/Utkal seems to have a lot of time and sending too many mails saying that he has astrological reasons for 6:49 am, while we do not have such reasons for 6:33 am. > > The time of 6:33 am given in the biography fits the description that he was born before sunrise. The time of 6:49 am given in some later day books sounds like a rectified time by some astrologer, because lagna would barely change to Capricorn at 6:49 am. Some astrologer probably thought that Swamiji should have 9th and 10th lords in lagna giving Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga and Jupiter in 10th. However, his dhaarmik, fierce and magnetic personality is absolutely unexplained with Sun in the 12th house, whereas Sun in Sg lagna explains that personality so brilliantly. I have no reason to suspect the original recorded time and give credence to some astrologer's rectification possibly based on thumbrules and not-so-deep knowledge. > > For those who want astrological pointers, here are a few brief points on Sg lagna chart. There are many other points based on precise principles related to divisional longitudes, dasas and transits, but I will keep them for another day. > > (1) Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows a powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was). > (2) Lagna in Sg shows a dharmik person of bold and fiery temperament. > (3) The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house reckoning I pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). That shows someone adept at meditation. The 8th lord Moon with Saturn also shows a good sadhaka with detachment.s > (4) Chara Aatma Kaaraka Sun is in 1st house (as opposed to 12th house with Cp lagna). Chara putra karaka Mercury (using the mixed 7/8 chara karaka method I shared earlier, based on Parasara's teachings) is also in the first house. AK and PK together or separately in 1st/5th houses is a great raja yoga and shows many followers. He was indeed the most famous from his group and had great following. > (5) Navamsa shows the marital life. The 7th lord of rasi chart has a close conjunction with the 6th lord. He is in the 6th house in navamsa. That is not conducive to good marital life. > (6) Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality. Saturn and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes), showing an ascetic. The 9th lord Mars is in the 10th house showing a fiery leader dedicated to dharma. In dasamsa, the 10th lord Venus is closely conjoined with the 5th lord Jupiter (within less than one degree using D-10 divisional longitudes!). This very powerful raja yoga shows a famous teacher. Moon, Jupiter and Venus occupy the 3rd house from lagna (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes) and it shows an excellent communicator, writer, poet and teacher. > (7) Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict lagna. Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children. Afflicted 1st and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord of rasi chart (Mars) is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in D-7. Again, it does not support having progeny. > (8) Vimsamsa has the 8th lord Sun in an adhimitra rasi with nodes and it is conducive to intense sadhana and excellent experiences. > (9) In rasi chart, Mars is in 4th house (using the house method I shared based on Parasara's teachings) in own sign (Aries). This gives Ruchaka yoga. He was indeed a leader of men. > (10) Dwadasamsa shows parents. The 9th house in D-12 is Ge. From there, the 10th lord Jupiter can show an attorney. Saturn and Ketu in the 9th house can show one who is practical and progressive in religion and dharma. Gemini lagna with Mars in it shows a disciplined rationalist. The 4th house is Cp and shows mother. Lagna lord with Ketu shows a spiritual person. The 9th lord Mercury being aspected by Sun and Jupiter shows one who follows religion. Saturn-Rahu-Ketu on the 8th house axis shows one who does a lot of austerities and sadhana. > > * * * > > BTW, talking about Swami Vivekananda's words and birthtimes, it may be interesting to note that he once dismissed astrology saying it is for the weak minds. > > Of course, every coin has two sides. Even a highly learned and eloquent person cannot represent all aspects of truth in one exposition. One may decide to throw light on one side of a coin and the other side of the coin may remain in the dark. A passionate and strong personality like Swami Vivekananda may sometimes focus strongly on one aspect at a time and seem to contradict himself later. Though I have no doubt that the internal understanding Swami Vivekananda had was probably perfect, spoken or written words cannot capture it accurately always. At the end, it is all divine play. Lord Rama firmly taught eka patni vrata, while Lord Krishna neither stressed it nor followed it. Lord Rama killed demons, while the later incarnation of Buddha taught non-violence. When gods and rishis come to earth, their main messages, their lila and their teachings may change from one incarnation to another depending on desa-kaala-paatra. Right and wrong may change from place to place and time to time. Each deity or saint or yogi has a specific job to do when he/she comes to earth. Swami Vivekananda lived at a different time compared to now. Who knows, he might not share the same thoughts on astrology if he were back here today. > > Though I know I am digressing, I wanted to make this point when someone posted a quote from Swami Vivekananda on astrology several months back and did not get time then to do so. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------------------- > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > Spirituality: > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > ------------------------- > > > Namaste Lalit and others, > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda's book ( " God Lived With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in that book for an interesting Jyotish research. I am aware that he gave 6:49 am as the birthtime of Swami Vivekananda. > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda's birthtime is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami Nikhilananda). That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " . Please note that IST was not is use at that time and clearly the time is local mean time. > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain common sense to me. > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > > > * * * > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > appealing to you. > > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is the goal of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover topics related to visions. > > > > /message/3651 > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 of gives a small account of a few of my experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me. Anyone can make claims, but this yogi actually satisfied the skeptic in me. > > > > /message/3481 > > > > * * * > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis. > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > It's a day that > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > > > > This was third time,I visited > > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > > > to your followers. > > > > > > The great divine mother has finally > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > > > dharmi narrow minded world. > > > When God is with a person, he can > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > > > correct themselves however they are free at their > > > end. > > > > > > It's said that - " Jin > > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit Mishra. > _______________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Namaste, Yes, I made several incorrect predictions and also several correct predictions, publicly and privately. I do not deny it. If you scroll down, you'll see that I wrote in the original mail to Lalit/Utkal: " I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis. Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in your mails. " * * * How can you expect from someone who is " slowly finding his bearings " to be perfect always? However, if we ask everyone who made wrong predictions to shut up, nobody will really be able to speak! I have made mistakes and will make in future. But, at the end of it all, if I help people understand some things better and if I can throw light on some simple and replicable methods suitable for our times, my purpose will have been served. * * * I never said 6th house shows mantra. I do take the 5th house for mantra. I said the 8th house shows sadhana and 6th house, being the 11th from it, shows siddhi or obtaining the fruits of sadhana. I gave some examples before. * * * Astrologically speaking, yes, malefics do aspect my Jupiter. But so do Mercury and Venus. I will prolong this unnecessary, uncalled for and intrustive discussion only because there are some technical points here that are worth clarifying. Using Parasara's rules for quantification of aspects based on longitudes, aspect of Mars (26Ar42) on my Jupiter (9Li46) is a 43.5% aspect. Aspect of Rahu (18Le08) on my Jupiter is a 72.1% aspect. Aspect of Saturn (15Ar06) on my Jupiter is a 82.2% aspect (BTW, Saturn is also the 5th lord). On the other hand, aspect of Mercury (3Ar08) on my Jupiter is a 94.4% aspect and aspect of Venus (7Ar55) on my Jupiter is a 98.4% aspect. Clearly, aspects of 9th lord Venus and 10th lord Mercury dominate over the other aspects. Unfortunately, people do not evaluate aspects correctly and jump to wrong conclusions based on approximate sign-only reckoning, though Parasara gave clear formulas for quantification. * * * Well, I did argue with my guru Pt Sanjay Rath on technical matters several times. Also, I did point out that he seems to be mixing up parampara knowledge with a lot of his own ideas that are not well-researched, without a proper acknowledgement. I also pointed out one explicit example where he lied in print regarding one particular idea being from parampara. Whether these things count as " abuses " or not is arguable, but one thing is certain - I never swayed from truth. One's dharma towards guru may sometimes clash with one's dharma towards truth, towards others and towards the subject itself. After all, it was Lord Krishna who asked Arjuna to attack and kill his gurus. In any case, my abuses, sins and transgressions are a matter between me, my Mother and my spiritual guru and should not concern others. My spiritual guru is fully aware of and guiding me in my Jyotish activities. I have surrendered to him and to my Mother who guides me through him. Others need not worry about me. Best regards, Narasimha - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Spirituality: Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings - , Astro Talk <astro.talk wrote: > > Dear Narashimha, > Â > You also had done analysis of OBAMA birth details and proved any how that BIRTH details which you are having are correct as you had shown. > Â > And on the same line you also validated McCain's birth details and YOU HAD PREDICTED THAT IN US PREZ ELECTION McCAIN WOULD BE WINNER. > Â > But that prediction went 180 when US PREZ ELECTION got over. > Â > After some time you were caught using another details for D-60. > Â > Your Guru, Sanjay Rath has also shown your faults in astrology like you say 6'th house stands for Mantra because your one luminary Moon is associated by Rahu in 6'th, which no classics supports. > > So instead of writting so long long garbage it is better to accept SWAMI NIKHILANAND'S SECOND published work in which he has corrected Swamijis birth details and published it to be 6:47. > Â > Narashimha i would like to suggest you to work on your Ju as it is being aspected by all malefics in second ie Ma + Sa and Ra.You also abused your GUrus because of same reason. > Â > Regards, > Pawan Maurya > > --- On Tue, 16/2/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Namaste friends, > > > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami Vivekanadajee, > > I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than wasting > > any more time on the birthtime etc. :-) > > You have a point. It is far more useful to study the essence of the teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ( " Gospel of Ramakrishna " compiled by M is more sublime than any book by Swami Vivekananda in my view). > > However, birthtimes and birthcharts of famous people will always be of interest to astrologers. > > * * * > > Lalit/Utkal seems to have a lot of time and sending too many mails saying that he has astrological reasons for 6:49 am, while we do not have such reasons for 6:33 am. > > The time of 6:33 am given in the biography fits the description that he was born before sunrise. The time of 6:49 am given in some later day books sounds like a rectified time by some astrologer, because lagna would barely change to Capricorn at 6:49 am. Some astrologer probably thought that Swamiji should have 9th and 10th lords in lagna giving Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga and Jupiter in 10th. However, his dhaarmik, fierce and magnetic personality is absolutely unexplained with Sun in the 12th house, whereas Sun in Sg lagna explains that personality so brilliantly. I have no reason to suspect the original recorded time and give credence to some astrologer's rectification possibly based on thumbrules and not-so-deep knowledge. > > For those who want astrological pointers, here are a few brief points on Sg lagna chart. There are many other points based on precise principles related to divisional longitudes, dasas and transits, but I will keep them for another day. > > (1) Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows a powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was). > (2) Lagna in Sg shows a dharmik person of bold and fiery temperament. > (3) The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house reckoning I pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). That shows someone adept at meditation. The 8th lord Moon with Saturn also shows a good sadhaka with detachment.s > (4) Chara Aatma Kaaraka Sun is in 1st house (as opposed to 12th house with Cp lagna). Chara putra karaka Mercury (using the mixed 7/8 chara karaka method I shared earlier, based on Parasara's teachings) is also in the first house. AK and PK together or separately in 1st/5th houses is a great raja yoga and shows many followers. He was indeed the most famous from his group and had great following. > (5) Navamsa shows the marital life. The 7th lord of rasi chart has a close conjunction with the 6th lord. He is in the 6th house in navamsa. That is not conducive to good marital life. > (6) Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality. Saturn and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes), showing an ascetic. The 9th lord Mars is in the 10th house showing a fiery leader dedicated to dharma. In dasamsa, the 10th lord Venus is closely conjoined with the 5th lord Jupiter (within less than one degree using D-10 divisional longitudes!) . This very powerful raja yoga shows a famous teacher. Moon, Jupiter and Venus occupy the 3rd house from lagna (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes) and it shows an excellent communicator, writer, poet and teacher. > (7) Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict lagna. Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children. Afflicted 1st and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord of rasi chart (Mars) is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in D-7. Again, it does not support having progeny. > (8) Vimsamsa has the 8th lord Sun in an adhimitra rasi with nodes and it is conducive to intense sadhana and excellent experiences. > (9) In rasi chart, Mars is in 4th house (using the house method I shared based on Parasara's teachings) in own sign (Aries). This gives Ruchaka yoga. He was indeed a leader of men. > (10) Dwadasamsa shows parents. The 9th house in D-12 is Ge. From there, the 10th lord Jupiter can show an attorney. Saturn and Ketu in the 9th house can show one who is practical and progressive in religion and dharma. Gemini lagna with Mars in it shows a disciplined rationalist. The 4th house is Cp and shows mother. Lagna lord with Ketu shows a spiritual person. The 9th lord Mercury being aspected by Sun and Jupiter shows one who follows religion. Saturn-Rahu- Ketu on the 8th house axis shows one who does a lot of austerities and sadhana. > > * * * > > BTW, talking about Swami Vivekananda' s words and birthtimes, it may be interesting to note that he once dismissed astrology saying it is for the weak minds. > > Of course, every coin has two sides. Even a highly learned and eloquent person cannot represent all aspects of truth in one exposition. One may decide to throw light on one side of a coin and the other side of the coin may remain in the dark. A passionate and strong personality like Swami Vivekananda may sometimes focus strongly on one aspect at a time and seem to contradict himself later. Though I have no doubt that the internal understanding Swami Vivekananda had was probably perfect, spoken or written words cannot capture it accurately always. At the end, it is all divine play. Lord Rama firmly taught eka patni vrata, while Lord Krishna neither stressed it nor followed it. Lord Rama killed demons, while the later incarnation of Buddha taught non-violence. When gods and rishis come to earth, their main messages, their lila and their teachings may change from one incarnation to another depending on desa-kaala-paatra. Right and wrong may change from > place to place and time to time. Each deity or saint or yogi has a specific job to do when he/she comes to earth. Swami Vivekananda lived at a different time compared to now. Who knows, he might not share the same thoughts on astrology if he were back here today. > > Though I know I am digressing, I wanted to make this point when someone posted a quote from Swami Vivekananda on astrology several months back and did not get time then to do so. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > > Namaste Lalit and others, > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in that book for an interesting Jyotish research. I am aware that he gave 6:49 am as the birthtime of Swami Vivekananda. > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " . Please note that IST was not is use at that time and clearly the time is local mean time. > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain common sense to me. > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > > > * * * > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > appealing to you. > > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is the goal of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover topics related to visions. > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651 > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 of gives a small account of a few of my experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me. Anyone can make claims, but this yogi actually satisfied the skeptic in me. > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481 > > > > * * * > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis. > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote: > > > > > It's a day that > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > > > > This was third time,I visited > > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > > > to your followers. > > > > > > The great divine mother has finally > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > > > dharmi narrow minded world. > > > When God is with a person, he can > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > > > correct themselves however they are free at their > > > end. > > > > > > It's said that - " Jin > > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit Mishra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Dear Narasimha You say 'Using Parasara's rules for quantification of aspects based on longitudes,.................................Aspect of Rahu (18Le08) on my Jupiter is a 72.1% aspect.' Would you please let us know which chapter and sloka in Parasara tells us Rahu is capable of giving this kind of aspecting? Are you concluding that due to Parasara saying that Rahu behaves like Saturn that this includes giving the same aspects as Saturn would give? Or is there another chapter on the way Rahu should aspect other planets? cheers M - Narasimha PVR Rao JyotishWritings Cc: ; vedic astrology Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:36 PM Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time Namaste, Yes, I made several incorrect predictions and also several correct predictions, publicly and privately. I do not deny it. If you scroll down, you'll see that I wrote in the original mail to Lalit/Utkal: " I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis. Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in your mails. " * * * How can you expect from someone who is " slowly finding his bearings " to be perfect always? However, if we ask everyone who made wrong predictions to shut up, nobody will really be able to speak! I have made mistakes and will make in future. But, at the end of it all, if I help people understand some things better and if I can throw light on some simple and replicable methods suitable for our times, my purpose will have been served. * * * I never said 6th house shows mantra. I do take the 5th house for mantra. I said the 8th house shows sadhana and 6th house, being the 11th from it, shows siddhi or obtaining the fruits of sadhana. I gave some examples before. * * * Astrologically speaking, yes, malefics do aspect my Jupiter. But so do Mercury and Venus. I will prolong this unnecessary, uncalled for and intrustive discussion only because there are some technical points here that are worth clarifying. Using Parasara's rules for quantification of aspects based on longitudes, aspect of Mars (26Ar42) on my Jupiter (9Li46) is a 43.5% aspect. Aspect of Rahu (18Le08) on my Jupiter is a 72.1% aspect. Aspect of Saturn (15Ar06) on my Jupiter is a 82.2% aspect (BTW, Saturn is also the 5th lord). On the other hand, aspect of Mercury (3Ar08) on my Jupiter is a 94.4% aspect and aspect of Venus (7Ar55) on my Jupiter is a 98.4% aspect. Clearly, aspects of 9th lord Venus and 10th lord Mercury dominate over the other aspects. Unfortunately, people do not evaluate aspects correctly and jump to wrong conclusions based on approximate sign-only reckoning, though Parasara gave clear formulas for quantification. * * * Well, I did argue with my guru Pt Sanjay Rath on technical matters several times. Also, I did point out that he seems to be mixing up parampara knowledge with a lot of his own ideas that are not well-researched, without a proper acknowledgement. I also pointed out one explicit example where he lied in print regarding one particular idea being from parampara. Whether these things count as " abuses " or not is arguable, but one thing is certain - I never swayed from truth. One's dharma towards guru may sometimes clash with one's dharma towards truth, towards others and towards the subject itself. After all, it was Lord Krishna who asked Arjuna to attack and kill his gurus. In any case, my abuses, sins and transgressions are a matter between me, my Mother and my spiritual guru and should not concern others. My spiritual guru is fully aware of and guiding me in my Jyotish activities. I have surrendered to him and to my Mother who guides me through him. Others need not worry about me. Best regards, Narasimha ------------------------- Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Spirituality: Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings ------------------------- , Astro Talk <astro.talk wrote: > > Dear Narashimha, > Â > You also had done analysis of OBAMA birth details and proved any how that BIRTH details which you are having are correct as you had shown. > Â > And on the same line you also validated McCain's birth details and YOU HAD PREDICTED THAT IN US PREZ ELECTION McCAIN WOULD BE WINNER. > Â > But that prediction went 180 when US PREZ ELECTION got over. > Â > After some time you were caught using another details for D-60. > Â > Your Guru, Sanjay Rath has also shown your faults in astrology like you say 6'th house stands for Mantra because your one luminary Moon is associated by Rahu in 6'th, which no classics supports. > > So instead of writting so long long garbage it is better to accept SWAMI NIKHILANAND'S SECOND published work in which he has corrected Swamijis birth details and published it to be 6:47. > Â > Narashimha i would like to suggest you to work on your Ju as it is being aspected by all malefics in second ie Ma + Sa and Ra.You also abused your GUrus because of same reason. > Â > Regards, > Pawan Maurya > > --- On Tue, 16/2/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Namaste friends, > > > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami Vivekanadajee, > > I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than wasting > > any more time on the birthtime etc. :-) > > You have a point. It is far more useful to study the essence of the teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ( " Gospel of Ramakrishna " compiled by M is more sublime than any book by Swami Vivekananda in my view). > > However, birthtimes and birthcharts of famous people will always be of interest to astrologers. > > * * * > > Lalit/Utkal seems to have a lot of time and sending too many mails saying that he has astrological reasons for 6:49 am, while we do not have such reasons for 6:33 am. > > The time of 6:33 am given in the biography fits the description that he was born before sunrise. The time of 6:49 am given in some later day books sounds like a rectified time by some astrologer, because lagna would barely change to Capricorn at 6:49 am. Some astrologer probably thought that Swamiji should have 9th and 10th lords in lagna giving Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga and Jupiter in 10th. However, his dhaarmik, fierce and magnetic personality is absolutely unexplained with Sun in the 12th house, whereas Sun in Sg lagna explains that personality so brilliantly. I have no reason to suspect the original recorded time and give credence to some astrologer's rectification possibly based on thumbrules and not-so-deep knowledge. > > For those who want astrological pointers, here are a few brief points on Sg lagna chart. There are many other points based on precise principles related to divisional longitudes, dasas and transits, but I will keep them for another day. > > (1) Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows a powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was). > (2) Lagna in Sg shows a dharmik person of bold and fiery temperament. > (3) The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house reckoning I pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). That shows someone adept at meditation. The 8th lord Moon with Saturn also shows a good sadhaka with detachment.s > (4) Chara Aatma Kaaraka Sun is in 1st house (as opposed to 12th house with Cp lagna). Chara putra karaka Mercury (using the mixed 7/8 chara karaka method I shared earlier, based on Parasara's teachings) is also in the first house. AK and PK together or separately in 1st/5th houses is a great raja yoga and shows many followers. He was indeed the most famous from his group and had great following. > (5) Navamsa shows the marital life. The 7th lord of rasi chart has a close conjunction with the 6th lord. He is in the 6th house in navamsa. That is not conducive to good marital life. > (6) Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality. Saturn and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes), showing an ascetic. The 9th lord Mars is in the 10th house showing a fiery leader dedicated to dharma. In dasamsa, the 10th lord Venus is closely conjoined with the 5th lord Jupiter (within less than one degree using D-10 divisional longitudes!) . This very powerful raja yoga shows a famous teacher. Moon, Jupiter and Venus occupy the 3rd house from lagna (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes) and it shows an excellent communicator, writer, poet and teacher. > (7) Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict lagna. Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children. Afflicted 1st and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord of rasi chart (Mars) is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in D-7. Again, it does not support having progeny. > (8) Vimsamsa has the 8th lord Sun in an adhimitra rasi with nodes and it is conducive to intense sadhana and excellent experiences. > (9) In rasi chart, Mars is in 4th house (using the house method I shared based on Parasara's teachings) in own sign (Aries). This gives Ruchaka yoga. He was indeed a leader of men. > (10) Dwadasamsa shows parents. The 9th house in D-12 is Ge. From there, the 10th lord Jupiter can show an attorney. Saturn and Ketu in the 9th house can show one who is practical and progressive in religion and dharma. Gemini lagna with Mars in it shows a disciplined rationalist. The 4th house is Cp and shows mother. Lagna lord with Ketu shows a spiritual person. The 9th lord Mercury being aspected by Sun and Jupiter shows one who follows religion. Saturn-Rahu- Ketu on the 8th house axis shows one who does a lot of austerities and sadhana. > > * * * > > BTW, talking about Swami Vivekananda' s words and birthtimes, it may be interesting to note that he once dismissed astrology saying it is for the weak minds. > > Of course, every coin has two sides. Even a highly learned and eloquent person cannot represent all aspects of truth in one exposition. One may decide to throw light on one side of a coin and the other side of the coin may remain in the dark. A passionate and strong personality like Swami Vivekananda may sometimes focus strongly on one aspect at a time and seem to contradict himself later. Though I have no doubt that the internal understanding Swami Vivekananda had was probably perfect, spoken or written words cannot capture it accurately always. At the end, it is all divine play. Lord Rama firmly taught eka patni vrata, while Lord Krishna neither stressed it nor followed it. Lord Rama killed demons, while the later incarnation of Buddha taught non-violence. When gods and rishis come to earth, their main messages, their lila and their teachings may change from one incarnation to another depending on desa-kaala-paatra. Right and wrong may change from > place to place and time to time. Each deity or saint or yogi has a specific job to do when he/she comes to earth. Swami Vivekananda lived at a different time compared to now. Who knows, he might not share the same thoughts on astrology if he were back here today. > > Though I know I am digressing, I wanted to make this point when someone posted a quote from Swami Vivekananda on astrology several months back and did not get time then to do so. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > > Namaste Lalit and others, > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in that book for an interesting Jyotish research. I am aware that he gave 6:49 am as the birthtime of Swami Vivekananda. > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " . Please note that IST was not is use at that time and clearly the time is local mean time. > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain common sense to me. > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > > > * * * > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > appealing to you. > > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is the goal of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover topics related to visions. > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651 > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 of gives a small account of a few of my experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me. Anyone can make claims, but this yogi actually satisfied the skeptic in me. > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481 > > > > * * * > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis. > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote: > > > > > It's a day that > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > > > > This was third time,I visited > > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > > > to your followers. > > > > > > The great divine mother has finally > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > > > dharmi narrow minded world. > > > When God is with a person, he can > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > > > correct themselves however they are free at their > > > end. > > > > > > It's said that - " Jin > > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit Mishra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Dear Brother Narsimha, You had a good start but as you got deviated from the right path, so, it's shown to you how you are wrong, See, no IIT teaches BPHS therefore your doing IIT doesn't make much sense in spiritual terms or vedanga jyotish terms. Astrology is linked to spiritual values that a person carry inside, Pls do not assume that those, to whom you are responding to, on Swami Ji's chart doesn't understand predictive implication of aspects. Well, you didn't answer to any of the astrological points raised in the debate, you also didn't take the challange to do a comperative analysis of both Makar and Dhanu lagna chart. You are also keeping silence on point that same Swami Nikhilananda gave 6.49 am in his another work on Swami Ji's life. Pls apply your own logic on your chart and the other chart, you w'd come to know that you are being shown light. Following the Swami Ji's teaching and values, you must realize that sincere effort is done to discover Swami Ji's true lagna and birth time and this had a spiritual guidence also, but, the other day you said your lollipops are better than spiritual guidence, You are shown what's spirituality can do. That day I had no evidence other then confidence that Dhanu Lagna chart is wrong, After you said about your lollipops, one by one evidences are made available within 24 hours as prayer to God was made, I could also got opportunity to speak to Swami Chetananda who lives in US ashram but that very day he was available in RamKrishna mission's india headquarter, who makes such co-incidences ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Chetanananda <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Chetanananda> http://www.vedantastl.org/StLouisCenter/StLCenter.htm <http://www.vedantastl.org/StLouisCenter/StLCenter.htm> Which is better brother Narsimha - your lollipops or spiritual guidence ! You can look into both the charts and mode of discovery of truth, earlier, I told you to speak to President of Sri Ramkrishna Mission but you remaining overconfident didn't do that. You should know that before calling to Swami Chetananda I prayed to God that in case it's found that dhanu lagna is correct, I myself w'd take lead and post to the groups that I was wrong, as purpose was not to prove makar lagna is right but purpose was to find true birth lagna of Swami Vivekananda. Now, it's upto you if you continue with wrong lagna or admit the truth, your difficulty is understood that you like many other people have done lots of work using incorrect Dhanu lagna. Utkal. -- In , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > Yes, I made several incorrect predictions and also several correct predictions, publicly and privately. I do not deny it. If you scroll down, you'll see that I wrote in the original mail to Lalit/Utkal: > > " I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis. > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in your mails. " > > * * * > > How can you expect from someone who is " slowly finding his bearings " to be perfect always? However, if we ask everyone who made wrong predictions to shut up, nobody will really be able to speak! > > I have made mistakes and will make in future. But, at the end of it all, if I help people understand some things better and if I can throw light on some simple and replicable methods suitable for our times, my purpose will have been served. > > * * * > > I never said 6th house shows mantra. I do take the 5th house for mantra. I said the 8th house shows sadhana and 6th house, being the 11th from it, shows siddhi or obtaining the fruits of sadhana. I gave some examples before. > > * * * > > Astrologically speaking, yes, malefics do aspect my Jupiter. But so do Mercury and Venus. I will prolong this unnecessary, uncalled for and intrustive discussion only because there are some technical points here that are worth clarifying. > > Using Parasara's rules for quantification of aspects based on longitudes, aspect of Mars (26Ar42) on my Jupiter (9Li46) is a 43.5% aspect. Aspect of Rahu (18Le08) on my Jupiter is a 72.1% aspect. Aspect of Saturn (15Ar06) on my Jupiter is a 82.2% aspect (BTW, Saturn is also the 5th lord). > > On the other hand, aspect of Mercury (3Ar08) on my Jupiter is a 94.4% aspect and aspect of Venus (7Ar55) on my Jupiter is a 98.4% aspect. Clearly, aspects of 9th lord Venus and 10th lord Mercury dominate over the other aspects. > > Unfortunately, people do not evaluate aspects correctly and jump to wrong conclusions based on approximate sign-only reckoning, though Parasara gave clear formulas for quantification. > > * * * > > Well, I did argue with my guru Pt Sanjay Rath on technical matters several times. Also, I did point out that he seems to be mixing up parampara knowledge with a lot of his own ideas that are not well-researched, without a proper acknowledgement. I also pointed out one explicit example where he lied in print regarding one particular idea being from parampara. Whether these things count as " abuses " or not is arguable, but one thing is certain - I never swayed from truth. One's dharma towards guru may sometimes clash with one's dharma towards truth, towards others and towards the subject itself. After all, it was Lord Krishna who asked Arjuna to attack and kill his gurus. > > In any case, my abuses, sins and transgressions are a matter between me, my Mother and my spiritual guru and should not concern others. My spiritual guru is fully aware of and guiding me in my Jyotish activities. I have surrendered to him and to my Mother who guides me through him. Others need not worry about me. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > - > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > Spirituality: > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > - > > , Astro Talk astro.talk@ wrote: > > > > Dear Narashimha, > > Â > > You also had done analysis of OBAMA birth details and proved any how that BIRTH details which you are having are correct as you had shown. > > Â > > And on the same line you also validated McCain's birth details and YOU HAD PREDICTED THAT IN US PREZ ELECTION McCAIN WOULD BE WINNER. > > Â > > But that prediction went 180 when US PREZ ELECTION got over. > > Â > > After some time you were caught using another details for D-60. > > Â > > Your Guru, Sanjay Rath has also shown your faults in astrology like you say 6'th house stands for Mantra because your one luminary Moon is associated by Rahu in 6'th, which no classics supports. > > > > So instead of writting so long long garbage it is better to accept SWAMI NIKHILANAND'S SECOND published work in which he has corrected Swamijis birth details and published it to be 6:47. > > Â > > Narashimha i would like to suggest you to work on your Ju as it is being aspected by all malefics in second ie Ma + Sa and Ra.You also abused your GUrus because of same reason. > > Â > > Regards, > > Pawan Maurya > > > > --- On Tue, 16/2/10, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami Vivekanadajee, > > > I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than wasting > > > any more time on the birthtime etc. :-) > > > > You have a point. It is far more useful to study the essence of the teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ( " Gospel of Ramakrishna " compiled by M is more sublime than any book by Swami Vivekananda in my view). > > > > However, birthtimes and birthcharts of famous people will always be of interest to astrologers. > > > > * * * > > > > Lalit/Utkal seems to have a lot of time and sending too many mails saying that he has astrological reasons for 6:49 am, while we do not have such reasons for 6:33 am. > > > > The time of 6:33 am given in the biography fits the description that he was born before sunrise. The time of 6:49 am given in some later day books sounds like a rectified time by some astrologer, because lagna would barely change to Capricorn at 6:49 am. Some astrologer probably thought that Swamiji should have 9th and 10th lords in lagna giving Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga and Jupiter in 10th. However, his dhaarmik, fierce and magnetic personality is absolutely unexplained with Sun in the 12th house, whereas Sun in Sg lagna explains that personality so brilliantly. I have no reason to suspect the original recorded time and give credence to some astrologer's rectification possibly based on thumbrules and not-so-deep knowledge. > > > > For those who want astrological pointers, here are a few brief points on Sg lagna chart. There are many other points based on precise principles related to divisional longitudes, dasas and transits, but I will keep them for another day. > > > > (1) Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows a powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was). > > (2) Lagna in Sg shows a dharmik person of bold and fiery temperament. > > (3) The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house reckoning I pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). That shows someone adept at meditation. The 8th lord Moon with Saturn also shows a good sadhaka with detachment.s > > (4) Chara Aatma Kaaraka Sun is in 1st house (as opposed to 12th house with Cp lagna). Chara putra karaka Mercury (using the mixed 7/8 chara karaka method I shared earlier, based on Parasara's teachings) is also in the first house. AK and PK together or separately in 1st/5th houses is a great raja yoga and shows many followers. He was indeed the most famous from his group and had great following. > > (5) Navamsa shows the marital life. The 7th lord of rasi chart has a close conjunction with the 6th lord. He is in the 6th house in navamsa. That is not conducive to good marital life. > > (6) Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality. Saturn and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes), showing an ascetic. The 9th lord Mars is in the 10th house showing a fiery leader dedicated to dharma. In dasamsa, the 10th lord Venus is closely conjoined with the 5th lord Jupiter (within less than one degree using D-10 divisional longitudes!) . This very powerful raja yoga shows a famous teacher. Moon, Jupiter and Venus occupy the 3rd house from lagna (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes) and it shows an excellent communicator, writer, poet and teacher. > > (7) Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict lagna. Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children. Afflicted 1st and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord of rasi chart (Mars) is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in D-7. Again, it does not support having progeny. > > (8) Vimsamsa has the 8th lord Sun in an adhimitra rasi with nodes and it is conducive to intense sadhana and excellent experiences. > > (9) In rasi chart, Mars is in 4th house (using the house method I shared based on Parasara's teachings) in own sign (Aries). This gives Ruchaka yoga. He was indeed a leader of men. > > (10) Dwadasamsa shows parents. The 9th house in D-12 is Ge. From there, the 10th lord Jupiter can show an attorney. Saturn and Ketu in the 9th house can show one who is practical and progressive in religion and dharma. Gemini lagna with Mars in it shows a disciplined rationalist. The 4th house is Cp and shows mother. Lagna lord with Ketu shows a spiritual person. The 9th lord Mercury being aspected by Sun and Jupiter shows one who follows religion. Saturn-Rahu- Ketu on the 8th house axis shows one who does a lot of austerities and sadhana. > > > > * * * > > > > BTW, talking about Swami Vivekananda' s words and birthtimes, it may be interesting to note that he once dismissed astrology saying it is for the weak minds. > > > > Of course, every coin has two sides. Even a highly learned and eloquent person cannot represent all aspects of truth in one exposition. One may decide to throw light on one side of a coin and the other side of the coin may remain in the dark. A passionate and strong personality like Swami Vivekananda may sometimes focus strongly on one aspect at a time and seem to contradict himself later. Though I have no doubt that the internal understanding Swami Vivekananda had was probably perfect, spoken or written words cannot capture it accurately always. At the end, it is all divine play. Lord Rama firmly taught eka patni vrata, while Lord Krishna neither stressed it nor followed it. Lord Rama killed demons, while the later incarnation of Buddha taught non-violence. When gods and rishis come to earth, their main messages, their lila and their teachings may change from one incarnation to another depending on desa-kaala-paatra. Right and wrong may change from > > place to place and time to time. Each deity or saint or yogi has a specific job to do when he/she comes to earth. Swami Vivekananda lived at a different time compared to now. Who knows, he might not share the same thoughts on astrology if he were back here today. > > > > Though I know I am digressing, I wanted to make this point when someone posted a quote from Swami Vivekananda on astrology several months back and did not get time then to do so. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > > Namaste Lalit and others, > > > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in that book for an interesting Jyotish research. I am aware that he gave 6:49 am as the birthtime of Swami Vivekananda. > > > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " . Please note that IST was not is use at that time and clearly the time is local mean time. > > > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain common sense to me. > > > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is the goal of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover topics related to visions. > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651 > > > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 of gives a small account of a few of my experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me. Anyone can make claims, but this yogi actually satisfied the skeptic in me. > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481 > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis. > > > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > It's a day that > > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > > > > > > This was third time,I visited > > > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > > > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I > > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > > > > to your followers. > > > > > > > > The great divine mother has finally > > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > > > > dharmi narrow minded world. > > > > When God is with a person, he can > > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > > > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > > > > correct themselves however they are free at their > > > > end. > > > > > > > > It's said that - " Jin > > > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > > > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit Mishra. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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