Aspect evaluation (Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time)

February 16, 2010

Namaste,

You are right - Parasara did not mention Rahu's aspects in the texts of BPHS

that are available today. I have extrapolated based on the 2nd, 5th, 7th, and

9th aspects that people take for Rahu.

But, what I said about Parasara's teachings holds for Mars, Mercury, Saturn etc.

Parasara clearly defined evaluation of their aspects.

For example, aspect of Mars is 0% on 150 deg point from him, 100% on 180 deg

point from him and pro-rated in between. In our example, Mars is at 26Ar42 and

Jupiter is at 9Li46. From Mars, Jupiter is at 163 deg 4 min. This is 13 deg 4

min more than 150 deg. So the aspect is (13 deg 4 min)/(30 deg) of 100%, i.e.

43.5%.

If Mars is in Ar but at 29 deg and Jupiter is in Li but at 1 deg, then the

aspect of Mars evaluated based on Parasara's formula is only 6.7%, i.e.

negligible. But people often take a full aspect in such a case. If Venus is at

29 deg Ar and Jupiter is at 1 deg Sc, Venus has 98.3% aspect on Jupiter. But

people often take no aspect in such a case or a 75% aspect.

I agree that there is some controversy in the case of Rahu, but other planets

are clear from Parasara's teachings.

Best regards,

Narasimha

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, " Marg " <margie9 wrote:

>

> Dear Narasimha

>

> You say 'Using Parasara's rules for quantification of aspects based on

longitudes,.................................Aspect of Rahu (18Le08) on my

Jupiter is a 72.1% aspect.'

>

> Would you please let us know which chapter and sloka in Parasara tells us Rahu

is capable of giving this kind of aspecting?

>

> Are you concluding that due to Parasara saying that Rahu behaves like Saturn

that this includes giving the same aspects as Saturn would give? Or is there

another chapter on the way Rahu should aspect other planets?

> cheers

> M

>

> -

> Narasimha PVR Rao

> JyotishWritings

> Cc: ; vedic astrology

> Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:36 PM

> Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time

>

> Namaste,

>

> Yes, I made several incorrect predictions and also several correct

predictions, publicly and privately. I do not deny it. If you scroll down,

you'll see that I wrote in the original mail to Lalit/Utkal:

>

> " I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on

Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went to

an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit prose

and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last 3-4 years

that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis.

>

> Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see in

your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in your mails. "

>

> * * *

>

> How can you expect from someone who is " slowly finding his bearings " to be

perfect always? However, if we ask everyone who made wrong predictions to shut

up, nobody will really be able to speak!

>

> I have made mistakes and will make in future. But, at the end of it all, if

I help people understand some things better and if I can throw light on some

simple and replicable methods suitable for our times, my purpose will have been

served.

>

> * * *

>

> I never said 6th house shows mantra. I do take the 5th house for mantra. I

said the 8th house shows sadhana and 6th house, being the 11th from it, shows

siddhi or obtaining the fruits of sadhana. I gave some examples before.

>

> * * *

>

> Astrologically speaking, yes, malefics do aspect my Jupiter. But so do

Mercury and Venus. I will prolong this unnecessary, uncalled for and intrustive

discussion only because there are some technical points here that are worth

clarifying.

>

> Using Parasara's rules for quantification of aspects based on longitudes,

aspect of Mars (26Ar42) on my Jupiter (9Li46) is a 43.5% aspect. Aspect of Rahu

(18Le08) on my Jupiter is a 72.1% aspect. Aspect of Saturn (15Ar06) on my

Jupiter is a 82.2% aspect (BTW, Saturn is also the 5th lord).

>

> On the other hand, aspect of Mercury (3Ar08) on my Jupiter is a 94.4% aspect

and aspect of Venus (7Ar55) on my Jupiter is a 98.4% aspect. Clearly, aspects of

9th lord Venus and 10th lord Mercury dominate over the other aspects.

>

> Unfortunately, people do not evaluate aspects correctly and jump to wrong

conclusions based on approximate sign-only reckoning, though Parasara gave clear

formulas for quantification.

>

> * * *

>

> Well, I did argue with my guru Pt Sanjay Rath on technical matters several

times. Also, I did point out that he seems to be mixing up parampara knowledge

with a lot of his own ideas that are not well-researched, without a proper

acknowledgement. I also pointed out one explicit example where he lied in print

regarding one particular idea being from parampara. Whether these things count

as " abuses " or not is arguable, but one thing is certain - I never swayed from

truth. One's dharma towards guru may sometimes clash with one's dharma towards

truth, towards others and towards the subject itself. After all, it was Lord

Krishna who asked Arjuna to attack and kill his gurus.

>

> In any case, my abuses, sins and transgressions are a matter between me, my

Mother and my spiritual guru and should not concern others. My spiritual guru is

fully aware of and guiding me in my Jyotish activities. I have surrendered to

him and to my Mother who guides me through him. Others need not worry about me.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

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>

> , Astro Talk <astro.talk@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Narashimha,

> > Ãƒâ€š

> > You also had done analysis of OBAMA birth details and proved any how that

BIRTH details which you are having are correct as you had shown.

> > Ãƒâ€š

> > And on the same line you also validated McCain's birth details and YOU HAD

PREDICTED THAT IN US PREZ ELECTION McCAIN WOULD BE WINNER.

> > Ãƒâ€š

> > But that prediction went 180 when US PREZ ELECTION got over.

> > Ãƒâ€š

> > After some time you were caught using another details for D-60.

> > Ãƒâ€š

> > Your Guru, Sanjay Rath has also shown your faults in astrology like you

say 6'th house stands for Mantra because your one luminary Moon is associated by

Rahu in 6'th, which no classics supports.

> >

> > So instead of writting so long long garbage it is better to accept SWAMI

NIKHILANAND'S SECOND published work in which he has corrected Swamijis birth

details and published it to be 6:47.

> > Ãƒâ€š

> > Narashimha i would like to suggest you to work on your Ju as it is being

aspected by all malefics in second ie Ma + Sa and Ra.You also abused your GUrus

because of same reason.

> > Ãƒâ€š

> > Regards,

> > Pawan Maurya

> >

> > --- On Tue, 16/2/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste friends,

> >

> > > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami

Vivekanadajee,

> > > I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than

wasting

> > > any more time on the birthtime etc. :-)

> >

> > You have a point. It is far more useful to study the essence of the

teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ( " Gospel of

Ramakrishna " compiled by M is more sublime than any book by Swami Vivekananda in

my view).

> >

> > However, birthtimes and birthcharts of famous people will always be of

interest to astrologers.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Lalit/Utkal seems to have a lot of time and sending too many mails saying

that he has astrological reasons for 6:49 am, while we do not have such reasons

for 6:33 am.

> >

> > The time of 6:33 am given in the biography fits the description that he

was born before sunrise. The time of 6:49 am given in some later day books

sounds like a rectified time by some astrologer, because lagna would barely

change to Capricorn at 6:49 am. Some astrologer probably thought that Swamiji

should have 9th and 10th lords in lagna giving Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga and

Jupiter in 10th. However, his dhaarmik, fierce and magnetic personality is

absolutely unexplained with Sun in the 12th house, whereas Sun in Sg lagna

explains that personality so brilliantly. I have no reason to suspect the

original recorded time and give credence to some astrologer's rectification

possibly based on thumbrules and not-so-deep knowledge.

> >

> > For those who want astrological pointers, here are a few brief points on

Sg lagna chart. There are many other points based on precise principles related

to divisional longitudes, dasas and transits, but I will keep them for another

day.

> >

> > (1) Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows a

powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was).

> > (2) Lagna in Sg shows a dharmik person of bold and fiery temperament.

> > (3) The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house reckoning I

pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). That shows someone adept at

meditation. The 8th lord Moon with Saturn also shows a good sadhaka with

detachment.s

> > (4) Chara Aatma Kaaraka Sun is in 1st house (as opposed to 12th house with

Cp lagna). Chara putra karaka Mercury (using the mixed 7/8 chara karaka method I

shared earlier, based on Parasara's teachings) is also in the first house. AK

and PK together or separately in 1st/5th houses is a great raja yoga and shows

many followers. He was indeed the most famous from his group and had great

following.

> > (5) Navamsa shows the marital life. The 7th lord of rasi chart has a close

conjunction with the 6th lord. He is in the 6th house in navamsa. That is not

conducive to good marital life.

> > (6) Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality. Saturn

and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I defined based on

Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes), showing an ascetic.

The 9th lord Mars is in the 10th house showing a fiery leader dedicated to

dharma. In dasamsa, the 10th lord Venus is closely conjoined with the 5th lord

Jupiter (within less than one degree using D-10 divisional longitudes!) . This

very powerful raja yoga shows a famous teacher. Moon, Jupiter and Venus occupy

the 3rd house from lagna (I am using the house method I defined based on

Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes) and it shows an

excellent communicator, writer, poet and teacher.

> > (7) Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict lagna.

Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children. Afflicted 1st

and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord of rasi chart (Mars)

is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in D-7. Again, it does not

support having progeny.

> > (8) Vimsamsa has the 8th lord Sun in an adhimitra rasi with nodes and it

is conducive to intense sadhana and excellent experiences.

> > (9) In rasi chart, Mars is in 4th house (using the house method I shared

based on Parasara's teachings) in own sign (Aries). This gives Ruchaka yoga. He

was indeed a leader of men.

> > (10) Dwadasamsa shows parents. The 9th house in D-12 is Ge. From there,

the 10th lord Jupiter can show an attorney. Saturn and Ketu in the 9th house can

show one who is practical and progressive in religion and dharma. Gemini lagna

with Mars in it shows a disciplined rationalist. The 4th house is Cp and shows

mother. Lagna lord with Ketu shows a spiritual person. The 9th lord Mercury

being aspected by Sun and Jupiter shows one who follows religion. Saturn-Rahu-

Ketu on the 8th house axis shows one who does a lot of austerities and sadhana.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > BTW, talking about Swami Vivekananda' s words and birthtimes, it may be

interesting to note that he once dismissed astrology saying it is for the weak

minds.

> >

> > Of course, every coin has two sides. Even a highly learned and eloquent

person cannot represent all aspects of truth in one exposition. One may decide

to throw light on one side of a coin and the other side of the coin may remain

in the dark. A passionate and strong personality like Swami Vivekananda may

sometimes focus strongly on one aspect at a time and seem to contradict himself

later. Though I have no doubt that the internal understanding Swami Vivekananda

had was probably perfect, spoken or written words cannot capture it accurately

always. At the end, it is all divine play. Lord Rama firmly taught eka patni

vrata, while Lord Krishna neither stressed it nor followed it. Lord Rama killed

demons, while the later incarnation of Buddha taught non-violence. When gods and

rishis come to earth, their main messages, their lila and their teachings may

change from one incarnation to another depending on desa-kaala-paatra. Right and

wrong may change from

> > place to place and time to time. Each deity or saint or yogi has a

specific job to do when he/she comes to earth. Swami Vivekananda lived at a

different time compared to now. Who knows, he might not share the same thoughts

on astrology if he were back here today.

> >

> > Though I know I am digressing, I wanted to make this point when someone

posted a quote from Swami Vivekananda on astrology several months back and did

not get time then to do so.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> >

> > > Namaste Lalit and others,

> > >

> > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived With

Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna " ). I was

gratefully using some valuable data in that book for an interesting Jyotish

research. I am aware that he gave 6:49 am as the birthtime of Swami Vivekananda.

> > >

> > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime is

his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami Nikhilananda) . That is

a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book clearly gives 6:33 am and says

" a few minutes before sunrise " . Please note that IST was not is use at that time

and clearly the time is local mean time.

> > >

> > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone actually

thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain common sense to me.

> > >

> > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and not

Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an obsessed and

egoistic mind cannot find truth.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had

> > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am

> > > > appealing to you.

> > >

> > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to those who

wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a hallucination and what

really distinguishes the two and what is the goal of spiritual sadhana. A few

mails referred within that mail cover topics related to visions.

> > >

> > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651

> > >

> > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference

between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 of

gives a small account of a few of my experiences with

that yogi, which proved some things to me. Anyone can make claims, but this yogi

actually satisfied the skeptic in me.

> > >

> > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on

Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went to

an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit prose

and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last 3-4 years

that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis.

> > >

> > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see

in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in your mails.

My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam!

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > >

> > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > It's a day that

> > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know

> > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for

> > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda,

> > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only.

> > > >

> > > > This was third time,I visited

> > > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I

> > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's

> > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit

> > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math,

> > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of

> > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will

> > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi

> > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a

> > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and

> > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying -

> > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri

> > > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of

> > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha.

> > > >

> > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I

> > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am,

> > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice -

> > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I

> > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and

> > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time

> > > > to your followers.

> > > >

> > > > The great divine mother has finally

> > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath

> > > > dharmi narrow minded world.

> > > > When God is with a person, he can

> > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to

> > > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd

> > > > correct themselves however they are free at their

> > > > end.

> > > >

> > > > It's said that - " Jin

> > > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah

> > > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " .

> > > >

> > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had

> > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am

> > > > appealing to you.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit Mishra.

February 16, 2010

Dear Narasimha

Thanks for responding to this question at last!

I don't use aspects of nodes, neither do I ignore them, but am still after many

years attempting to find whether they are worth paying attention to.

Don't you mean 3rd aspect?? You have written: on the 2nd, 5th, 7th, and 9th

aspects that people take for Rahu.

cheers

M

-

Narasimha PVR Rao

JyotishWritings

Cc: ; vedic astrology

Tuesday, February 16, 2010 6:47 PM

Aspect evaluation (Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time)

Namaste,

You are right - Parasara did not mention Rahu's aspects in the texts of BPHS

that are available today. I have extrapolated based

on the 2nd, 5th, 7th, and 9th aspects that people take for Rahu.

But, what I said about Parasara's teachings holds for Mars, Mercury, Saturn

etc. Parasara clearly defined evaluation of their aspects.

For example, aspect of Mars is 0% on 150 deg point from him, 100% on 180 deg

point from him and pro-rated in between. In our example, Mars is at 26Ar42 and

Jupiter is at 9Li46. From Mars, Jupiter is at 163 deg 4 min. This is 13 deg 4

min more than 150 deg. So the aspect is (13 deg 4 min)/(30 deg) of 100%, i.e.

43.5%.

If Mars is in Ar but at 29 deg and Jupiter is in Li but at 1 deg, then the

aspect of Mars evaluated based on Parasara's formula is only 6.7%, i.e.

negligible. But people often take a full aspect in such a case. If Venus is at

29 deg Ar and Jupiter is at 1 deg Sc, Venus has 98.3% aspect on Jupiter. But

people often take no aspect in such a case or a 75% aspect.

I agree that there is some controversy in the case of Rahu, but other planets

are clear from Parasara's teachings.

Best regards,

Narasimha

-------------------------

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" Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

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, " Marg " <margie9 wrote:

>

> Dear Narasimha

>

> You say 'Using Parasara's rules for quantification of aspects based on

longitudes,.................................Aspect of Rahu (18Le08) on my

Jupiter is a 72.1% aspect.'

>

> Would you please let us know which chapter and sloka in Parasara tells us

Rahu is capable of giving this kind of aspecting?