Birth time of twins

February 18, 2010

Dear Krishna Ji,

Hare Krishna

Thanks for analysis but DBA did not tally, Â Dasa signify Rah-Ven-Ven , but no

involvement

of 2nd house is not indicated, for marriage 2-5-7-11 in whole must signify.

Â

Thanks & Regards

suresh awasthi

--- On Thu, 2/18/10, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

Re: Re: Birth time of twins

Thursday, February 18, 2010, 12:45 PM

Â

Dear Suresh ji,

I can offer help using my technique. I am getting 16:48:21 (lahiri ayanamsha).

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Krishna

____________ _________ _________ __

suresh awasthi <sureshawasthi6@ >

Thu, 18 February, 2010 4:31:10 PM

RE: Re: Birth time of twins

Dear Inder Jit Sahni Ji,

myself could not solve this problem with KP and vedic ,Hence given to you,it is

not

for testing , I thought you may do with other type of system

Thanks & Regards

suresh awasthi

--- On Thu, 2/18/10, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in> wrote:

Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in>

RE: Re: Birth time of twins

Thursday, February 18, 2010, 5:06 AM

Dear Suresh Ji,

I am here not to train anybody or for any astrology services, what I write is

only to give my thoughts and share my views and way how I use Astrology with my

fellow Astrologers; for learning the techniques one should go to his teacher ,

or can consult even to me with the courtesy as had been formulated by our Rishis

to consult an astrologer.

With Best wishes,

Inder Jit Sahni

[JyotishGrou p] On

Behalf Of suresh awasthi

17 February, 2010 9:11 PM

RE: Re: Birth time of twins

Dear Inder Jit Sahni Ji,

I am providing you one chart kindly rectify the birth time,

DOB 19/03/1955

TOB 16:31:00

POB Delhi

Date of marriage is 06/12/1985

Lets see what time you calculate .

Thanks & Regards

suresh awasthi

--- On Wed, 2/17/10, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in

<inder_ jit_sahni% 40.co. in> > wrote:

Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <inder_ jit_sahni%

40.co. in> >

RE: Re: Birth time of twins

Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 6:00 AM

Dear List,

My Birth time rectification or Technique I used is not the issue over here, the

issue is that can one say with certainty that same ascendant will give one time

of characteristics only.

So fighting with only one tool that Sun in Asc is more important or in 12th

Rashi is merely an ignorance.

Also the Bhava position is more important than the Rashi which may not change

some times within few minutes.

The Ascendant point surely will change. Those who knows the difference due to

this change and how to change it without compromising with Basics can tell the

difference.

If I had to rectify the Vivekanands Birth chart , I will fix it to 6.34 AM.

But I have no intentions to argue for Capricorn or Sagittarius. To the extent of

my knowledge which fits well into my understanding of Prashara suggested ways

modified to KP I feel that I am correct.

To the other persons mentioning the methods of rectifications , those are

entirely KP based, I do not use them nor I disapprove them as I had not tried

and I am satisfied with the results I am getting through the direct consultation

to the Public, who is to evaluate my forecasting.

With best wishes,

Inder Jit Sahni.

[JyotishGrou p] On

Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama

17 February, 2010 10:14 AM

Re: Re: Birth time of twins

Dear All,

I used Krishna's BTR technique to rectify these twin charts and following are

the results I get:

1. First set of twins

Elder baby: 1:55:37

Younger Baby: 1:56:27

I found this to be a tricky case to rectify.

2. Second set of twins

Elder baby: 22:59:52

Younger baby: 23:00:18

The technique is available at the following site for those who are interested:

http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com/2009_ 03_01_archive. html

Also, I notice that both the twin charts satisfy the Three Rules applicable to

Twin's charts as per the following article:

http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com/2008_ 09_01_archive. html

Regards,

Krishna

____________ _________ _________ __

gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel (AT) hotmail (DOT) com <g.k. goel%40hotmail.

com> >

Tue, 16 February, 2010 8:55:01 PM

RE: Re: Birth time of twins

Dear Sahani ,

You have rectified the birth time of first set of twins

within 12 seconds, and another set of twins within

1min 3 second.

kindly check with some Doctor if such a small difference

in the birth of twins is a medical possibility?

There are many methods to predict about twins , among

them the following method is also dependable and can be used

along with other methods :

1. In case of elder twin ,consider Ascendant as well as

sign in 11th house as complementary ascending sign .

2. In case of younger twin , likewise consider Ascending

sign as well as sign in 3rd house.

Kindly give try to this method also.

Regards,

G. K. Goel

address: L-409 Sarita Vihar, New Delhi - 110076

tel: 011-26943689, 011-41403352,

mobile: 09350311433

mouji99 <mouji99% 40>

Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:18:07 -0800

Re: Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time

Inderjit ji,

Your astrological acumen is well taken and well accepted. But please do tell us,

on whom, are you throwing the onus of predicting these charts and I am sure you

will also not accept the theory that if Sun is placed in this house, results

would be like this.

regards,

Mouji

____________ _________ _________ __

Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <inder_ jit_sahni%

40.co. in> >

Tue, February 16, 2010 5:49:53 PM

RE: Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time

Many great Astrologers here talking with Ascendant and divisional charts;

Here are two cases for them to study;

1st is from Bhatinda 30n12 ; 75e00 the couple consulted few years back for the

twin male issues, the birth time given was 1.58 AM for the 1st and 1.59 for the

2nd issue and date supplied was 19.1.2003 with birth at Bhatinda, both had

different features and habits, I did not ask any thing give them the birth time

as 1.55.05 for the 1st and 1.55.17 for another . what so ever I predicted was

accurate , both the child have opposite nature.

Another is today case,.

A couple visited from Amritsar with charts for their twin Son and Daughter, they

supplied birth date 20.8.2002 born at 23.00 hours at Amritsar for the Daughter

and 23.00.30 for the Son; I rectified the time as 22.57.25 and 22.56.22 and

described the differences in appearance and habits, every thing was true.

You want to verify , I can provide the Mobile Phone noâ€™s of both the Couples

in private .

Try if you can trace the reasons for rectification and the personality

difference with this minute difference .

Or do not waste your energies in searching Capricorn or Sagittarius, rather

learn what Swami Vivekanand had taught and struggle to guide the young now

available Vivekannads rather than to beak your heads on a person of History.

With Best wishes,

Inder Jit Sahni

[JyotishGrou p] On

Behalf Of Manoj Kumar

16 February, 2010 5:18 PM

Re: Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time

Everyone born on this earth around Sunrise, would have Sun in Lagna. Can you

generalise on this alone. How can you? It is called astrology.

Now Utkal ji will not answer me because I am the nuisance maker because I

question him on these aspects. Maybe Gopi ji, you are lucky, he may answer you.

Mouji

____________ _________ _________ __

gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 <gopi_ b927%40. com> >

Tue, February 16, 2010 4:36:12 PM

Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time

Dear Utkal/Lalit etc....

//You can very well check swami ji's healthy physic with mild obesity

and his

face, sun in lagna give rather slender physic, you can refer to

classics, sun

gives sharp pointed nose etc, if you look at his photographs you wd find

his

nose is flat, look at his beautiful black hairs and remember venus in

lagna in

meena navamsa, when jup is in venusian sign in 10th.//

i also have all these,sun in lagna etc and i was also told by some

people i look like my guru i am 57yrs and my hair is still black though

bald,my nose is also flat so what?...

-gopi.

, " utkal.panigrahi "

<utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Brother Narshimha,

>

> Question is why you are putting incorrect misleading reasoning to

members -

>

> Review -

>

> Both 6.49 am and 6.33 am is time before sunrise that day. Why you are

leaving one while advocating another.

>

> What weightage Parashara gave to D9, D10, D20, D30 in terms of rupa ,

refer to that before presenting these D charts as independent charts and

even more important charts than the natal lagna chart.

>

> Why writing in misleading manner, come forward and post a comperative

study using both the lagna giving shlokas from classics in your support,

do not air your opinion only justifying to your incorrect approach that

has no ground.

>

> Well, as you have circulated dozens of researches based on incorrect

lagna and time, wd be difficult for you to correct yourself, well

understood.

>

> You are comfortably overlooking the fact that there is no birth time

like 6.33 am, Refer to scanned copy of Yug Nayak Vivekananda,

encyclopedic biography of swami ji, this is already sent to you.

>

> Rohini Ranjan ji has already gaven details in JR group how incorrect

6.33 pm circulated which several people took as 6.33 am assuming a typo.

6.33 pm was published in 1908's AM by somebody and 6.33 pm is used in

notable horoscope by BV Raman.

>

> I also gave a history referring to Devakinandan Singh who learn

astrology in 1898 and written that dhanu lagna kundali is wrong in his

book published in 1934, he was among those first people who got makar

lagna kundali.

>

> You can very well check swami ji's healthy physic with mild obesity

and his face, sun in lagna give rather slender physic, you can refer to

classics, sun gives sharp pointed nose etc, if you look at his

photographs you wd find his nose is flat, look at his beautiful black

hairs and remember venus in lagna in meena navamsa, when jup is in

venusian sign in 10th.

>

> Do not ignore leadership given by ruchaka mahapurush yoga in makar

lagna kundali, in 4th which receives jup's aspect from 10th, this

defines purpose of life.

>

> Most important is timing of his death, wd you take pains to elaborte

resons by quoting shlokas from classics.

>

> That's open for you.

>

> Utkal.

> , Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote:

> >

> > Namaste friends,

> >

> > > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami

Vivekanadajee,

> > > I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than

wasting

> > > any more time on the birthtime etc. :-)

> >

> > You have a point. It is far more useful to study the essence of the

teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ( " Gospel of

Ramakrishna " compiled by M is more sublime than any book by Swami

Vivekananda in my view).

> >

> > However, birthtimes and birthcharts of famous people will always be

of interest to astrologers.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Lalit/Utkal seems to have a lot of time and sending too many mails

saying that he has astrological reasons for 6:49 am, while we do not

have such reasons for 6:33 am.

> >

> > The time of 6:33 am given in the biography fits the description that

he was born before sunrise. The time of 6:49 am given in some later day

books sounds like a rectified time by some astrologer, because lagna

would barely change to Capricorn at 6:49 am. Some astrologer probably

thought that Swamiji should have 9th and 10th lords in lagna giving

Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga and Jupiter in 10th. However, his dhaarmik,

fierce and magnetic personality is absolutely unexplained with Sun in

the 12th house, whereas Sun in Sg lagna explains that personality so

brilliantly. I have no reason to suspect the original recorded time and

give credence to some astrologer's rectification possibly based on

thumbrules and not-so-deep knowledge.

> >

> > For those who want astrological pointers, here are a few brief

points on Sg lagna chart. There are many other points based on precise

principles related to divisional longitudes, dasas and transits, but I

will keep them for another day.

> >

> > (1) Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows

a powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was).

> > (2) Lagna in Sg shows a dharmik person of bold and fiery

temperament.

> > (3) The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house

reckoning I pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). That

shows someone adept at meditation. The 8th lord Moon with Saturn also

shows a good sadhaka with detachment.s

> > (4) Chara Aatma Kaaraka Sun is in 1st house (as opposed to 12th

house with Cp lagna). Chara putra karaka Mercury (using the mixed 7/8

chara karaka method I shared earlier, based on Parasara's teachings) is

also in the first house. AK and PK together or separately in 1st/5th

houses is a great raja yoga and shows many followers. He was indeed the

most famous from his group and had great following.

> > (5) Navamsa shows the marital life. The 7th lord of rasi chart has a

close conjunction with the 6th lord. He is in the 6th house in navamsa.

That is not conducive to good marital life.

> > (6) Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality.

Saturn and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I

defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional

longitudes), showing an ascetic. The 9th lord Mars is in the 10th house

showing a fiery leader dedicated to dharma. In dasamsa, the 10th lord

Venus is closely conjoined with the 5th lord Jupiter (within less than

one degree using D-10 divisional longitudes!) . This very powerful raja

yoga shows a famous teacher. Moon, Jupiter and Venus occupy the 3rd

house from lagna (I am using the house method I defined based on

Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes) and it shows an

excellent communicator, writer, poet and teacher.

> > (7) Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict

lagna. Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children.

Afflicted 1st and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord

of rasi chart (Mars) is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in

D-7. Again, it does not support having progeny.

> > (8) Vimsamsa has the 8th lord Sun in an adhimitra rasi with nodes

and it is conducive to intense sadhana and excellent experiences.

> > (9) In rasi chart, Mars is in 4th house (using the house method I

shared based on Parasara's teachings) in own sign (Aries). This gives

Ruchaka yoga. He was indeed a leader of men.

> > (10) Dwadasamsa shows parents. The 9th house in D-12 is Ge. From

there, the 10th lord Jupiter can show an attorney. Saturn and Ketu in

the 9th house can show one who is practical and progressive in religion

and dharma. Gemini lagna with Mars in it shows a disciplined

rationalist. The 4th house is Cp and shows mother. Lagna lord with Ketu

shows a spiritual person. The 9th lord Mercury being aspected by Sun and

Jupiter shows one who follows religion. Saturn-Rahu- Ketu on the 8th

house axis shows one who does a lot of austerities and sadhana.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > BTW, talking about Swami Vivekananda' s words and birthtimes, it may

be interesting to note that he once dismissed astrology saying it is for

the weak minds.

> >

> > Of course, every coin has two sides. Even a highly learned and

eloquent person cannot represent all aspects of truth in one exposition.

One may decide to throw light on one side of a coin and the other side

of the coin may remain in the dark. A passionate and strong personality

like Swami Vivekananda may sometimes focus strongly on one aspect at a

time and seem to contradict himself later. Though I have no doubt that

the internal understanding Swami Vivekananda had was probably perfect,

spoken or written words cannot capture it accurately always. At the end,

it is all divine play. Lord Rama firmly taught eka patni vrata, while

Lord Krishna neither stressed it nor followed it. Lord Rama killed

demons, while the later incarnation of Buddha taught non-violence. When

gods and rishis come to earth, their main messages, their lila and their

teachings may change from one incarnation to another depending on

desa-kaala-paatra. Right and wrong may change from place to place and

time to time. Each deity or saint or yogi has a specific job to do when

he/she comes to earth. Swami Vivekananda lived at a different time

compared to now. Who knows, he might not share the same thoughts on

astrology if he were back here today.

> >

> > Though I know I am digressing, I wanted to make this point when

someone posted a quote from Swami Vivekananda on astrology several

months back and did not get time then to do so.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

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> >

> > > Namaste Lalit and others,

> > >

> > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived

With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri

Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in that book

for an interesting Jyotish research. I am aware that he gave 6:49 am as

the birthtime of Swami Vivekananda.

> > >

> > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime

is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami

Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book

clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " . Please

note that IST was not is use at that time and clearly the time is local

mean time.

> > >

> > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone

actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain

common sense to me.

> > >

> > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and

not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an

obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had

> > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am

> > > > appealing to you.

> > >

> > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to

those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a

hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is the goal

of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover topics

related to visions.

> > >

> > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651

> > >

> > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference

between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481

of gives a small account of a few of my

experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me. Anyone can

make claims, but this yogi actually satisfied the skeptic in me.

> > >

> > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very

hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent

person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can

understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet,

it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in

this knowledge of rishis.

> > >

> > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge

I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in

your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam!

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > >

> > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > It's a day that

> > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know

> > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for

> > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda,

> > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only.

> > > >

> > > > This was third time,I visited

> > > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I

> > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's

> > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit

> > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math,

> > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of

> > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will

> > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi

> > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a

> > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and

> > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying -

> > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri

> > > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of

> > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha.

> > > >

> > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I

> > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am,

> > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice -

> > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I

> > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and

> > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time

> > > > to your followers.

> > > >

> > > > The great divine mother has finally

> > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath

> > > > dharmi narrow minded world.

> > > > When God is with a person, he can

> > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to

> > > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd

> > > > correct themselves however they are free at their

> > > > end.

> > > >

> > > > It's said that - " Jin

> > > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah

> > > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " .

> > > >

> > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had

> > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am

> > > > appealing to you.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit Mishra.

> >

>

February 19, 2010

Marg,

A simple non-astrological hint which may or may not be applicable in your case

since the gender is not known but applies to Inder-jee's 2nd set of twin-data.

If the genders are different, the twins can ONLY be fraternal, never identical!

RR_,

, " Marg " <margie9 wrote:

>

> Dear Krishna

> On charts of twin I'm having difficulty deciding whether twins I have the data

for are fraternal or identical, due to a hidden relationships of L3 and L11 so I

wondered if you could help?

> data is twin 1 TOB 12 50 POB 53N24 2W09 DOB 4 July 1973, TZ 0 DST 1

> Twin 2 born 13 15

> Your rule 3 for identical seems only to apply if dispositors of L3 and L11 are

allowed to be conjunct the parivartana planets? or am I missing something? Would

you say this doesn't count therefore they are only fraternal twins? I also guess

the second born could be male???

> Would appreicate your expert opinion on this

> Marg

> -

> Krishnamurthy Seetharama

>

> Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:45 PM

> Re: Re: Birth time of twins

>

> Dear Suresh ji,

>

> I can offer help using my technique. I am getting 16:48:21 (lahiri

ayanamsha).

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> ________________________________

> suresh awasthi <sureshawasthi6

>

> Thu, 18 February, 2010 4:31:10 PM

> RE: Re: Birth time of twins

>

> Dear Inder Jit Sahni Ji,

> myself could not solve this problem with KP and vedic ,Hence given to you,it

is not

> for testing , I thought you may do with other type of system

> Thanks & Regards

> suresh awasthi

>

> --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in> wrote:

>

> Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in>

> RE: Re: Birth time of twins

>

> Thursday, February 18, 2010, 5:06 AM

>

> Dear Suresh Ji,

>

> I am here not to train anybody or for any astrology services, what I write

is only to give my thoughts and share my views and way how I use Astrology with

my fellow Astrologers; for learning the techniques one should go to his teacher

, or can consult even to me with the courtesy as had been formulated by our

Rishis to consult an astrologer.

>

> With Best wishes,

>

> Inder Jit Sahni

>

> [JyotishGrou p@ .

com] On Behalf Of suresh awasthi

> 17 February, 2010 9:11 PM

>

> RE: Re: Birth time of twins

>

> Dear Inder Jit Sahni Ji,

> I am providing you one chart kindly rectify the birth time,

> DOB 19/03/1955

> TOB 16:31:00

> POB Delhi

> Date of marriage is 06/12/1985

> Lets see what time you calculate .

> Thanks & Regards

> suresh awasthi

>

> --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in

<inder_ jit_sahni% 40.co. in> > wrote:

>

> Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <inder_

jit_sahni% 40.co. in> >

> RE: Re: Birth time of twins

> <JyotishGrou p%40. com>

> Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 6:00 AM

>

> Dear List,

>

> My Birth time rectification or Technique I used is not the issue over here,

the issue is that can one say with certainty that same ascendant will give one

time of characteristics only.

>

> So fighting with only one tool that Sun in Asc is more important or in 12th

Rashi is merely an ignorance.

>

> Also the Bhava position is more important than the Rashi which may not

change some times within few minutes.

>

> The Ascendant point surely will change. Those who knows the difference due

to this change and how to change it without compromising with Basics can tell

the difference.

>

> If I had to rectify the Vivekanands Birth chart , I will fix it to 6.34 AM.

>

> But I have no intentions to argue for Capricorn or Sagittarius. To the

extent of my knowledge which fits well into my understanding of Prashara

suggested ways modified to KP I feel that I am correct.

>

> To the other persons mentioning the methods of rectifications , those are

entirely KP based, I do not use them nor I disapprove them as I had not tried

and I am satisfied with the results I am getting through the direct consultation

to the Public, who is to evaluate my forecasting.

>

> With best wishes,

>

> Inder Jit Sahni.

>

> [JyotishGrou p@ .

com] On Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> 17 February, 2010 10:14 AM

>

> Re: Re: Birth time of twins

>

> Dear All,

>

> I used Krishna's BTR technique to rectify these twin charts and following

are the results I get:

>

> 1. First set of twins

>

> Elder baby: 1:55:37

> Younger Baby: 1:56:27

>

> I found this to be a tricky case to rectify.

>

> 2. Second set of twins

>

> Elder baby: 22:59:52

> Younger baby: 23:00:18

>

> The technique is available at the following site for those who are

interested:

>

> http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com/2009_ 03_01_archive. html

>

> Also, I notice that both the twin charts satisfy the Three Rules applicable

to Twin's charts as per the following article:

>

> http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com/2008_ 09_01_archive. html

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel (AT) hotmail (DOT) com <g.k. goel%40hotmail.

com> >

> <jyotishgrou p%40. com>

> Tue, 16 February, 2010 8:55:01 PM

> RE: Re: Birth time of twins

>

> Dear Sahani ,

> You have rectified the birth time of first set of twins

> within 12 seconds, and another set of twins within

> 1min 3 second.

> kindly check with some Doctor if such a small difference

> in the birth of twins is a medical possibility?

> There are many methods to predict about twins , among

> them the following method is also dependable and can be used

> along with other methods :

> 1. In case of elder twin ,consider Ascendant as well as

> sign in 11th house as complementary ascending sign .

> 2. In case of younger twin , likewise consider Ascending

> sign as well as sign in 3rd house.

> Kindly give try to this method also.

> Regards,

>

> G. K. Goel

>

> address: L-409 Sarita Vihar, New Delhi - 110076

>

> tel: 011-26943689, 011-41403352,

>

> mobile: 09350311433

>

> <JyotishGrou p%40. com>

> mouji99 <mouji99% 40>

> Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:18:07 -0800

> Re: Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time

>

> Inderjit ji,

>

> Your astrological acumen is well taken and well accepted. But please do tell

us, on whom, are you throwing the onus of predicting these charts and I am sure

you will also not accept the theory that if Sun is placed in this house, results

would be like this.

>

> regards,

>

> Mouji

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <inder_

jit_sahni% 40.co. in> >

>

> <JyotishGrou p%40. com>

>

> Tue, February 16, 2010 5:49:53 PM

>

> RE: Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time

>

> Many great Astrologers here talking with Ascendant and divisional charts;

>

> Here are two cases for them to study;

>

> 1st is from Bhatinda 30n12 ; 75e00 the couple consulted few years back for

the twin male issues, the birth time given was 1.58 AM for the 1st and 1.59 for

the 2nd issue and date supplied was 19.1.2003 with birth at Bhatinda, both had

different features and habits, I did not ask any thing give them the birth time

as 1.55.05 for the 1st and 1.55.17 for another . what so ever I predicted was

accurate , both the child have opposite nature.

>

> Another is today case,.

>

> A couple visited from Amritsar with charts for their twin Son and Daughter,

they supplied birth date 20.8.2002 born at 23.00 hours at Amritsar for the

Daughter and 23.00.30 for the Son; I rectified the time as 22.57.25 and 22.56.22

and described the differences in appearance and habits, every thing was true.

>

> You want to verify , I can provide the Mobile Phone noâ€™s of both the

Couples in private .

>

> Try if you can trace the reasons for rectification and the personality

difference with this minute difference .

>

> Or do not waste your energies in searching Capricorn or Sagittarius, rather

learn what Swami Vivekanand had taught and struggle to guide the young now

available Vivekannads rather than to beak your heads on a person of History.

>

> With Best wishes,

>

> Inder Jit Sahni

>

> [JyotishGrou p@ .

com] On Behalf Of Manoj Kumar

>

> 16 February, 2010 5:18 PM

>

> Re: Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time

>

> Everyone born on this earth around Sunrise, would have Sun in Lagna. Can you

generalise on this alone. How can you? It is called astrology.

>

> Now Utkal ji will not answer me because I am the nuisance maker because I

question him on these aspects. Maybe Gopi ji, you are lucky, he may answer you.

>

> Mouji

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 <gopi_ b927%40. com> >

>

> <JyotishGrou p%40. com>

>

> Tue, February 16, 2010 4:36:12 PM

>

> Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time

>

> Dear Utkal/Lalit etc....

>

> //You can very well check swami ji's healthy physic with mild obesity

>

> and his

>

> face, sun in lagna give rather slender physic, you can refer to

>

> classics, sun

>

> gives sharp pointed nose etc, if you look at his photographs you wd find

>

> his

>

> nose is flat, look at his beautiful black hairs and remember venus in

>

> lagna in

>

> meena navamsa, when jup is in venusian sign in 10th.//

>

> i also have all these,sun in lagna etc and i was also told by some

>

> people i look like my guru i am 57yrs and my hair is still black though

>

> bald,my nose is also flat so what?...

>

> -gopi.

>

> , " utkal.panigrahi "

>

> <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Brother Narshimha,

>

> >

>

> > Question is why you are putting incorrect misleading reasoning to

>

> members -

>

> >

>

> > Review -

>

> >

>

> > Both 6.49 am and 6.33 am is time before sunrise that day. Why you are

>

> leaving one while advocating another.

>

> >

>

> > What weightage Parashara gave to D9, D10, D20, D30 in terms of rupa ,

>

> refer to that before presenting these D charts as independent charts and

>

> even more important charts than the natal lagna chart.

>

> >

>

> > Why writing in misleading manner, come forward and post a comperative

>

> study using both the lagna giving shlokas from classics in your support,

>

> do not air your opinion only justifying to your incorrect approach that

>

> has no ground.

>

> >

>

> > Well, as you have circulated dozens of researches based on incorrect

>

> lagna and time, wd be difficult for you to correct yourself, well

>

> understood.

>

> >

>

> > You are comfortably overlooking the fact that there is no birth time

>

> like 6.33 am, Refer to scanned copy of Yug Nayak Vivekananda,

>

> encyclopedic biography of swami ji, this is already sent to you.

>

> >

>

> > Rohini Ranjan ji has already gaven details in JR group how incorrect

>

> 6.33 pm circulated which several people took as 6.33 am assuming a typo.

>

> 6.33 pm was published in 1908's AM by somebody and 6.33 pm is used in

>

> notable horoscope by BV Raman.

>

> >

>

> > I also gave a history referring to Devakinandan Singh who learn

>

> astrology in 1898 and written that dhanu lagna kundali is wrong in his

>

> book published in 1934, he was among those first people who got makar

>

> lagna kundali.

>

> >

>

> > You can very well check swami ji's healthy physic with mild obesity

>

> and his face, sun in lagna give rather slender physic, you can refer to

>

> classics, sun gives sharp pointed nose etc, if you look at his

>

> photographs you wd find his nose is flat, look at his beautiful black

>

> hairs and remember venus in lagna in meena navamsa, when jup is in

>

> venusian sign in 10th.

>

> >

>

> > Do not ignore leadership given by ruchaka mahapurush yoga in makar

>

> lagna kundali, in 4th which receives jup's aspect from 10th, this

>

> defines purpose of life.

>

> >

>

> > Most important is timing of his death, wd you take pains to elaborte

>

> resons by quoting shlokas from classics.

>

> >

>

> > That's open for you.

>

> >

>

> > Utkal.

>

> > , Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Namaste friends,

>

> > >

>

> > > > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami

>

> Vivekanadajee,

>

> > > > I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than

>

> wasting

>

> > > > any more time on the birthtime etc. :-)

>

> > >

>

> > > You have a point. It is far more useful to study the essence of the

>

> teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ( " Gospel of

>

> Ramakrishna " compiled by M is more sublime than any book by Swami

>

> Vivekananda in my view).

>

> > >

>

> > > However, birthtimes and birthcharts of famous people will always be

>

> of interest to astrologers.

>

> > >

>

> > > * * *

>

> > >

>

> > > Lalit/Utkal seems to have a lot of time and sending too many mails

>

> saying that he has astrological reasons for 6:49 am, while we do not

>

> have such reasons for 6:33 am.

>

> > >

>

> > > The time of 6:33 am given in the biography fits the description that

>

> he was born before sunrise. The time of 6:49 am given in some later day

>

> books sounds like a rectified time by some astrologer, because lagna

>

> would barely change to Capricorn at 6:49 am. Some astrologer probably

>

> thought that Swamiji should have 9th and 10th lords in lagna giving

>

> Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga and Jupiter in 10th. However, his dhaarmik,

>

> fierce and magnetic personality is absolutely unexplained with Sun in

>

> the 12th house, whereas Sun in Sg lagna explains that personality so

>

> brilliantly. I have no reason to suspect the original recorded time and

>

> give credence to some astrologer's rectification possibly based on

>

> thumbrules and not-so-deep knowledge.

>

> > >

>

> > > For those who want astrological pointers, here are a few brief

>

> points on Sg lagna chart. There are many other points based on precise

>

> principles related to divisional longitudes, dasas and transits, but I

>

> will keep them for another day.

>

> > >

>

> > > (1) Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows

>

> a powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was).

>

> > > (2) Lagna in Sg shows a dharmik person of bold and fiery

>

> temperament.

>

> > > (3) The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house

>

> reckoning I pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). That

>

> shows someone adept at meditation. The 8th lord Moon with Saturn also

>

> shows a good sadhaka with detachment.s

>

> > > (4) Chara Aatma Kaaraka Sun is in 1st house (as opposed to 12th

>

> house with Cp lagna). Chara putra karaka Mercury (using the mixed 7/8

>

> chara karaka method I shared earlier, based on Parasara's teachings) is

>

> also in the first house. AK and PK together or separately in 1st/5th

>

> houses is a great raja yoga and shows many followers. He was indeed the

>

> most famous from his group and had great following.

>

> > > (5) Navamsa shows the marital life. The 7th lord of rasi chart has a

>

> close conjunction with the 6th lord. He is in the 6th house in navamsa.

>

> That is not conducive to good marital life.

>

> > > (6) Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality.

>

> Saturn and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I

>

> defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional

>

> longitudes), showing an ascetic. The 9th lord Mars is in the 10th house

>

> showing a fiery leader dedicated to dharma. In dasamsa, the 10th lord

>

> Venus is closely conjoined with the 5th lord Jupiter (within less than

>

> one degree using D-10 divisional longitudes!) . This very powerful raja

>

> yoga shows a famous teacher. Moon, Jupiter and Venus occupy the 3rd

>

> house from lagna (I am using the house method I defined based on

>

> Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes) and it shows an

>

> excellent communicator, writer, poet and teacher.

>

> > > (7) Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict

>

> lagna. Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children.

>

> Afflicted 1st and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord

>

> of rasi chart (Mars) is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in

>

> D-7. Again, it does not support having progeny.

>

> > > (8) Vimsamsa has the 8th lord Sun in an adhimitra rasi with nodes

>

> and it is conducive to intense sadhana and excellent experiences.

>

> > > (9) In rasi chart, Mars is in 4th house (using the house method I

>

> shared based on Parasara's teachings) in own sign (Aries). This gives

>

> Ruchaka yoga. He was indeed a leader of men.

>

> > > (10) Dwadasamsa shows parents. The 9th house in D-12 is Ge. From

>

> there, the 10th lord Jupiter can show an attorney. Saturn and Ketu in

>

> the 9th house can show one who is practical and progressive in religion

>

> and dharma. Gemini lagna with Mars in it shows a disciplined

>

> rationalist. The 4th house is Cp and shows mother. Lagna lord with Ketu

>

> shows a spiritual person. The 9th lord Mercury being aspected by Sun and

>

> Jupiter shows one who follows religion. Saturn-Rahu- Ketu on the 8th

>

> house axis shows one who does a lot of austerities and sadhana.

>

> > >

>

> > > * * *

>

> > >

>

> > > BTW, talking about Swami Vivekananda' s words and birthtimes, it may

>

> be interesting to note that he once dismissed astrology saying it is for

>

> the weak minds.

>

> > >

>

> > > Of course, every coin has two sides. Even a highly learned and

>

> eloquent person cannot represent all aspects of truth in one exposition.

>

> One may decide to throw light on one side of a coin and the other side

>

> of the coin may remain in the dark. A passionate and strong personality

>

> like Swami Vivekananda may sometimes focus strongly on one aspect at a

>

> time and seem to contradict himself later. Though I have no doubt that

>

> the internal understanding Swami Vivekananda had was probably perfect,

>

> spoken or written words cannot capture it accurately always. At the end,

>

> it is all divine play. Lord Rama firmly taught eka patni vrata, while

>

> Lord Krishna neither stressed it nor followed it. Lord Rama killed

>

> demons, while the later incarnation of Buddha taught non-violence. When

>

> gods and rishis come to earth, their main messages, their lila and their

>

> teachings may change from one incarnation to another depending on

>

> desa-kaala-paatra. Right and wrong may change from place to place and

>

> time to time. Each deity or saint or yogi has a specific job to do when

>

> he/she comes to earth. Swami Vivekananda lived at a different time

>

> compared to now. Who knows, he might not share the same thoughts on

>

> astrology if he were back here today.

>

> > >

>

> > > Though I know I am digressing, I wanted to make this point when

>

> someone posted a quote from Swami Vivekananda on astrology several

>

> months back and did not get time then to do so.

>

> > >

>

> > > Best regards,

>

> > > Narasimha

>

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

>

> > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

>

> > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

>

> > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

>

> > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org

>

> > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom

>

> > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings

>

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

>

> > >

>

> > > > Namaste Lalit and others,

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived

>

> With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri

>

> Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in that book

>

> for an interesting Jyotish research. I am aware that he gave 6:49 am as

>

> the birthtime of Swami Vivekananda.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime

>

> is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami

>

> Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book

>

> clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " . Please

>

> note that IST was not is use at that time and clearly the time is local

>

> mean time.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone

>

> actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain

>

> common sense to me.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and

>

> not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an

>

> obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > * * *

>

> > > >

>

> > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had

>

> > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am

>

> > > > > appealing to you.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to

>

> those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a

>

> hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is the goal

>

> of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover topics

>

> related to visions.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference

>

> between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481

>

> of gives a small account of a few of my

>

> experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me. Anyone can

>

> make claims, but this yogi actually satisfied the skeptic in me.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481

>

> > > >

>

> > > > * * *

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very

>

> hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent

>

> person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can

>

> understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet,

>

> it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in

>

> this knowledge of rishis.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge

>

> I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in

>

> your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam!

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Best regards,

>

> > > > Narasimha

>

> > > >

>

> > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ > wrote:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > > It's a day that

>

> > > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know

>

> > > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for

>

> > > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda,

>

> > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > This was third time,I visited

>

> > > > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I

>

> > > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's

>

> > > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit

>

> > > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math,

>

> > > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of

>

> > > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will

>

> > > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi

>

> > > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a

>

> > > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and

>

> > > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying -

>

> > > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri

>

> > > > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of

>

> > > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I

>

> > > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am,

>

> > > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice -

>

> > > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I

>

> > > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and

>

> > > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time

>

> > > > > to your followers.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > The great divine mother has finally

>

> > > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath

>

> > > > > dharmi narrow minded world.

>

> > > > > When God is with a person, he can

>

> > > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to

>

> > > > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd

>

> > > > > correct themselves however they are free at their

>

> > > > > end.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > It's said that - " Jin

>

> > > > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah

>

> > > > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " .

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had

>

> > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am

>

> > > > > appealing to you.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > regards,

>

> > > > > Lalit Mishra.

>

> > >

>

> >

>

February 19, 2010

Dear Suresh,

Please note that the rectfication is done using Lahiri Ayanamsha. My guess is

that you might be using KP Ayanamsha. I don't know much about KP, but I guess

all 2-5-7-11 may not show up in all 100% of the cases for marriage. But, you

know it better.

Regards,

Krishna

________________________________

suresh awasthi <sureshawasthi6

Thu, 18 February, 2010 8:38:21 PM

Re: Re: Birth time of twins

Dear Krishna Ji,

Hare Krishna

Thanks for analysis but DBA did not tally, Dasa signify Rah-Ven-Ven , but no

involvement

of 2nd house is not indicated, for marriage 2-5-7-11 in whole must signify.

Thanks & Regards

suresh awasthi

--- On Thu, 2/18/10, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > wrote:

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ >