Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Inder_dada, Neki kaar koonayn main daal! As we move forward, the 'island' of divinity will crumble more and more at its edges, as the tsunamis hit the land-mass of Divination. The stronger we all hold on to one another who truly have faith in the validity of divination (and that goes way beyond Jyotish and other Shastras) and maintain our solidarity, the better our chances of winning against ignorance! And superstition! Please note that I wrote " Shastra " and not 'SHAASTRA!' There is no WAR -- just survival while the island crumbles at its edges and we all are forced to crowd in closer more and more over the next few years! Regards, Rohiniranjan , " Inder Jit Sahni " <inder_jit_sahni wrote: > > The List, > > This person sent me a mail with1 MB attachment, as this person is a gift to me from Jyotish list ,please look at the previous mail written by me below giving him my home address , for him to visit in person rather than to correspond with me. > > And read his response in another mail. > > My prayers to God to help this persons and to the persons he attend freely. > > With Best Wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni > > > Inder Jit Sahni [inder_jit_sahni] > 20 February, 2010 2:55 PM > 'suresh awasthi' > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > > > > Dear Suresh, > > You are slow, practical ,shy, introvert, suspicious but have interest in scriptures and religion; I live at Bhatinda at least 5 hours run fro Delhi. Please do not correspond with me hereafter. You do not need to send me charts. This occupy much my space in mailbox. > > I am in Astrology from last 38years and do not have time to prove things. > > If you can understand my points then it is all right or reread about Rahu Ketu in KP literature. > > The nature I had written is clear from the time of 16.38. > > Please do not give me any reply, my most of time is taken by the visitors , so I do not have time to teach. > > Thanking you > > With Best wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni, > > 1351-HIG,Phase-1,Bhatinda-151001 > > > > suresh awasthi [sureshawasthi6] > 20 February, 2010 1:25 PM > > Cc: Inder Jit > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > > > > > Dear Ajit Ji, > > Re think for Rah connection with 2nd house, > > inclosed both the chart as time given by you, and then we will discuss present before you, > > I am living near Delhi u.p border called Dilshad Plaza, and where you live pl write > > so we can meet. > > Thanks & Regards > > suresh awasthi > > --- On Sat, 2/20/10, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni wrote: > > > Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > > Saturday, February 20, 2010, 3:58 AM > > > > Rahu represents all those to whom represent Ketu and Jupiter being in the star of Ketu and being in the sign of Jupiter; > > Ketu represents Mercury/ Rahu /Jupiter being in the Rashi/Star and association. > > So Rahu represent 2,11 as well as 4-7-5-8. > > Moon is not a significator of 7th but of 8th , family background and elders dictate could be main reason for marriage. > > You sure looks a person born at 16.38.33. > > With Best wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni > > <http://us.mc1128.mail./mc/compose?to=%40> [ <http://us.mc1128.mail./mc/compose?to=%40> ] On Behalf Of suresh awasthi > 19 February, 2010 1:09 PM > <http://us.mc1128.mail./mc/compose?to=%40> > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > > Dear Inder Jit Sahni Ji, > Hare Krishna, > Thanks for your reply, How Rah is connected with 2nd can you explain,rest follow the mail > the mail to Krishna Ji. > 2 attachment. > > Thanks & regards > suresh awasthi > > --- On Fri, 2/19/10, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <http://us.mc1128.mail./mc/compose?to=inder_jit_sahni%40.co.in> <inder_ jit_sahni% 40.co. in> > wrote: > > Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <http://us.mc1128.mail./mc/compose?to=inder_jit_sahni%40.co.in> <inder_ jit_sahni% 40.co. in> > > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > <http://us.mc1128.mail./mc/compose?to=%40> <JyotishGrou p%40. com> > Friday, February 19, 2010, 6:57 AM > > Dear Suresh Avasthi, > > To get rectification from me you should be present before me, > > Anyhow; > > Your nearest possible birth times should be 16.26.03 or 16.38.33 hours, Saturn had Jupiter aspect as well as it exchange with Venus, Rahu represent 2nd house as well as 11th ; Venus will give all the results prescribed to Saturn as well as to moon ;then how can you say that Rahu-Venus Venus shall not give marriage. > > Depending upon your features if these are sharp and you are shy and introvert then it is 16.38.33 hours. > > Or if these are dull and mature and you are much in the habit of guiding o others then it is 16.26.03. > > Along with checkup and match the subs of the 4rh ,7th and 9th with your mother, wife and father, you may instantly conclude that which time is correct or wrong and you can check up that which Ayanaha is giving correct , if it is Lahiri/KP or KP new. > > Your parameter that marriage can not happen in Rahu-Veus †" venus is wrong. > > With Best Wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni > > [JyotishGrou p] On Behalf Of suresh awasthi > 18 February, 2010 4:31 PM > > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > > Dear Inder Jit Sahni Ji, > myself could not solve this problem with KP and vedic ,Hence given to you,it is not > for testing , I thought you may do with other type of system > Thanks & Regards > suresh awasthi > > --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <inder_ jit_sahni% 40.co. in> > wrote: > > Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <inder_ jit_sahni% 40.co. in> > > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > <JyotishGrou p%40. com> > Thursday, February 18, 2010, 5:06 AM > > Dear Suresh Ji, > > I am here not to train anybody or for any astrology services, what I write is only to give my thoughts and share my views and way how I use Astrology with my fellow Astrologers; for learning the techniques one should go to his teacher , or can consult even to me with the courtesy as had been formulated by our Rishis to consult an astrologer. > > With Best wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni > > [JyotishGrou p] On Behalf Of suresh awasthi > 17 February, 2010 9:11 PM > > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > > Dear Inder Jit Sahni Ji, > I am providing you one chart kindly rectify the birth time, > DOB 19/03/1955 > TOB 16:31:00 > POB Delhi > Date of marriage is 06/12/1985 > Lets see what time you calculate . > Thanks & Regards > suresh awasthi > > --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <inder_ jit_sahni% 40.co. in> > wrote: > > Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <inder_ jit_sahni% 40.co. in> > > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > <JyotishGrou p%40. com> > Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 6:00 AM > > Dear List, > > My Birth time rectification or Technique I used is not the issue over here, the issue is that can one say with certainty that same ascendant will give one time of characteristics only. > > So fighting with only one tool that Sun in Asc is more important or in 12th Rashi is merely an ignorance. > > Also the Bhava position is more important than the Rashi which may not change some times within few minutes. > > The Ascendant point surely will change. Those who knows the difference due to this change and how to change it without compromising with Basics can tell the difference. > > If I had to rectify the Vivekanands Birth chart , I will fix it to 6.34 AM. > > But I have no intentions to argue for Capricorn or Sagittarius. To the extent of my knowledge which fits well into my understanding of Prashara suggested ways modified to KP I feel that I am correct. > > To the other persons mentioning the methods of rectifications , those are entirely KP based, I do not use them nor I disapprove them as I had not tried and I am satisfied with the results I am getting through the direct consultation to the Public, who is to evaluate my forecasting. > > With best wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni. > > [JyotishGrou p] On Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama > 17 February, 2010 10:14 AM > > Re: Re: Birth time of twins > > Dear All, > > I used Krishna's BTR technique to rectify these twin charts and following are the results I get: > > 1. First set of twins > > Elder baby: 1:55:37 > Younger Baby: 1:56:27 > > I found this to be a tricky case to rectify. > > 2. Second set of twins > > Elder baby: 22:59:52 > Younger baby: 23:00:18 > > The technique is available at the following site for those who are interested: > > http://astrokrishna <http://astrokrishna/> .blogspot. com/2009_ 03_01_archive. html > > Also, I notice that both the twin charts satisfy the Three Rules applicable to Twin's charts as per the following article: > > http://astrokrishna <http://astrokrishna/> .blogspot. com/2008_ 09_01_archive. html > > Regards, > Krishna > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel (AT) hotmail (DOT) com <g.k. goel%40hotmail. com> > > <jyotishgrou p%40. com> > Tue, 16 February, 2010 8:55:01 PM > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > > Dear Sahani , > You have rectified the birth time of first set of twins > within 12 seconds, and another set of twins within > 1min 3 second. > kindly check with some Doctor if such a small difference > in the birth of twins is a medical possibility? > There are many methods to predict about twins , among > them the following method is also dependable and can be used > along with other methods : > 1. In case of elder twin ,consider Ascendant as well as > sign in 11th house as complementary ascending sign . > 2. In case of younger twin , likewise consider Ascending > sign as well as sign in 3rd house. > Kindly give try to this method also. > Regards, > > G. K. Goel > > address: L-409 Sarita Vihar, New Delhi - 110076 > > tel: 011-26943689, 011-41403352, > > mobile: 09350311433 > > <JyotishGrou p%40. com> > mouji99 <mouji99% 40> > Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:18:07 -0800 > Re: Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time > > Inderjit ji, > > Your astrological acumen is well taken and well accepted. But please do tell us, on whom, are you throwing the onus of predicting these charts and I am sure you will also not accept the theory that if Sun is placed in this house, results would be like this. > > regards, > > Mouji > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <inder_ jit_sahni% 40.co. in> > > > <JyotishGrou p%40. com> > > Tue, February 16, 2010 5:49:53 PM > > RE: Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time > > Many great Astrologers here talking with Ascendant and divisional charts; > > Here are two cases for them to study; > > 1st is from Bhatinda 30n12 ; 75e00 the couple consulted few years back for the twin male issues, the birth time given was 1.58 AM for the 1st and 1.59 for the 2nd issue and date supplied was 19.1.2003 with birth at Bhatinda, both had different features and habits, I did not ask any thing give them the birth time as 1.55.05 for the 1st and 1.55.17 for another . what so ever I predicted was accurate , both the child have opposite nature. > > Another is today case,. > > A couple visited from Amritsar with charts for their twin Son and Daughter, they supplied birth date 20.8.2002 born at 23.00 hours at Amritsar for the Daughter and 23.00.30 for the Son; I rectified the time as 22.57.25 and 22.56.22 and described the differences in appearance and habits, every thing was true. > > You want to verify , I can provide the Mobile Phone no’s of both the Couples in private . > > Try if you can trace the reasons for rectification and the personality difference with this minute difference . > > Or do not waste your energies in searching Capricorn or Sagittarius, rather learn what Swami Vivekanand had taught and struggle to guide the young now available Vivekannads rather than to beak your heads on a person of History. > > With Best wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni > > [JyotishGrou p] On Behalf Of Manoj Kumar > > 16 February, 2010 5:18 PM > > > > Re: Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time > > Everyone born on this earth around Sunrise, would have Sun in Lagna. Can you generalise on this alone. How can you? It is called astrology. > > Now Utkal ji will not answer me because I am the nuisance maker because I question him on these aspects. Maybe Gopi ji, you are lucky, he may answer you. > > Mouji > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 <gopi_ b927%40. com> > > > <JyotishGrou p%40. com> > > Tue, February 16, 2010 4:36:12 PM > > Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time > > Dear Utkal/Lalit etc.... > > //You can very well check swami ji's healthy physic with mild obesity > > and his > > face, sun in lagna give rather slender physic, you can refer to > > classics, sun > > gives sharp pointed nose etc, if you look at his photographs you wd find > > his > > nose is flat, look at his beautiful black hairs and remember venus in > > lagna in > > meena navamsa, when jup is in venusian sign in 10th.// > > i also have all these,sun in lagna etc and i was also told by some > > people i look like my guru i am 57yrs and my hair is still black though > > bald,my nose is also flat so what?... > > -gopi. > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Brother Narshimha, > > > > > > Question is why you are putting incorrect misleading reasoning to > > members - > > > > > > Review - > > > > > > Both 6.49 am and 6.33 am is time before sunrise that day. Why you are > > leaving one while advocating another. > > > > > > What weightage Parashara gave to D9, D10, D20, D30 in terms of rupa , > > refer to that before presenting these D charts as independent charts and > > even more important charts than the natal lagna chart. > > > > > > Why writing in misleading manner, come forward and post a comperative > > study using both the lagna giving shlokas from classics in your support, > > do not air your opinion only justifying to your incorrect approach that > > has no ground. > > > > > > Well, as you have circulated dozens of researches based on incorrect > > lagna and time, wd be difficult for you to correct yourself, well > > understood. > > > > > > You are comfortably overlooking the fact that there is no birth time > > like 6.33 am, Refer to scanned copy of Yug Nayak Vivekananda, > > encyclopedic biography of swami ji, this is already sent to you. > > > > > > Rohini Ranjan ji has already gaven details in JR group how incorrect > > 6.33 pm circulated which several people took as 6.33 am assuming a typo. > > 6.33 pm was published in 1908's AM by somebody and 6.33 pm is used in > > notable horoscope by BV Raman. > > > > > > I also gave a history referring to Devakinandan Singh who learn > > astrology in 1898 and written that dhanu lagna kundali is wrong in his > > book published in 1934, he was among those first people who got makar > > lagna kundali. > > > > > > You can very well check swami ji's healthy physic with mild obesity > > and his face, sun in lagna give rather slender physic, you can refer to > > classics, sun gives sharp pointed nose etc, if you look at his > > photographs you wd find his nose is flat, look at his beautiful black > > hairs and remember venus in lagna in meena navamsa, when jup is in > > venusian sign in 10th. > > > > > > Do not ignore leadership given by ruchaka mahapurush yoga in makar > > lagna kundali, in 4th which receives jup's aspect from 10th, this > > defines purpose of life. > > > > > > Most important is timing of his death, wd you take pains to elaborte > > resons by quoting shlokas from classics. > > > > > > That's open for you. > > > > > > Utkal. > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami > > Vivekanadajee, > > > > > I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than > > wasting > > > > > any more time on the birthtime etc. :-) > > > > > > > > You have a point. It is far more useful to study the essence of the > > teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ( " Gospel of > > Ramakrishna " compiled by M is more sublime than any book by Swami > > Vivekananda in my view). > > > > > > > > However, birthtimes and birthcharts of famous people will always be > > of interest to astrologers. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Lalit/Utkal seems to have a lot of time and sending too many mails > > saying that he has astrological reasons for 6:49 am, while we do not > > have such reasons for 6:33 am. > > > > > > > > The time of 6:33 am given in the biography fits the description that > > he was born before sunrise. The time of 6:49 am given in some later day > > books sounds like a rectified time by some astrologer, because lagna > > would barely change to Capricorn at 6:49 am. Some astrologer probably > > thought that Swamiji should have 9th and 10th lords in lagna giving > > Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga and Jupiter in 10th. However, his dhaarmik, > > fierce and magnetic personality is absolutely unexplained with Sun in > > the 12th house, whereas Sun in Sg lagna explains that personality so > > brilliantly. I have no reason to suspect the original recorded time and > > give credence to some astrologer's rectification possibly based on > > thumbrules and not-so-deep knowledge. > > > > > > > > For those who want astrological pointers, here are a few brief > > points on Sg lagna chart. There are many other points based on precise > > principles related to divisional longitudes, dasas and transits, but I > > will keep them for another day. > > > > > > > > (1) Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows > > a powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was). > > > > (2) Lagna in Sg shows a dharmik person of bold and fiery > > temperament. > > > > (3) The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house > > reckoning I pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). That > > shows someone adept at meditation. The 8th lord Moon with Saturn also > > shows a good sadhaka with detachment.s > > > > (4) Chara Aatma Kaaraka Sun is in 1st house (as opposed to 12th > > house with Cp lagna). Chara putra karaka Mercury (using the mixed 7/8 > > chara karaka method I shared earlier, based on Parasara's teachings) is > > also in the first house. AK and PK together or separately in 1st/5th > > houses is a great raja yoga and shows many followers. He was indeed the > > most famous from his group and had great following. > > > > (5) Navamsa shows the marital life. The 7th lord of rasi chart has a > > close conjunction with the 6th lord. He is in the 6th house in navamsa. > > That is not conducive to good marital life. > > > > (6) Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality. > > Saturn and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I > > defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional > > longitudes), showing an ascetic. The 9th lord Mars is in the 10th house > > showing a fiery leader dedicated to dharma. In dasamsa, the 10th lord > > Venus is closely conjoined with the 5th lord Jupiter (within less than > > one degree using D-10 divisional longitudes!) . This very powerful raja > > yoga shows a famous teacher. Moon, Jupiter and Venus occupy the 3rd > > house from lagna (I am using the house method I defined based on > > Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes) and it shows an > > excellent communicator, writer, poet and teacher. > > > > (7) Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict > > lagna. Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children. > > Afflicted 1st and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord > > of rasi chart (Mars) is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in > > D-7. Again, it does not support having progeny. > > > > (8) Vimsamsa has the 8th lord Sun in an adhimitra rasi with nodes > > and it is conducive to intense sadhana and excellent experiences. > > > > (9) In rasi chart, Mars is in 4th house (using the house method I > > shared based on Parasara's teachings) in own sign (Aries). This gives > > Ruchaka yoga. He was indeed a leader of men. > > > > (10) Dwadasamsa shows parents. The 9th house in D-12 is Ge. From > > there, the 10th lord Jupiter can show an attorney. Saturn and Ketu in > > the 9th house can show one who is practical and progressive in religion > > and dharma. Gemini lagna with Mars in it shows a disciplined > > rationalist. The 4th house is Cp and shows mother. Lagna lord with Ketu > > shows a spiritual person. The 9th lord Mercury being aspected by Sun and > > Jupiter shows one who follows religion. Saturn-Rahu- Ketu on the 8th > > house axis shows one who does a lot of austerities and sadhana. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > BTW, talking about Swami Vivekananda' s words and birthtimes, it may > > be interesting to note that he once dismissed astrology saying it is for > > the weak minds. > > > > > > > > Of course, every coin has two sides. Even a highly learned and > > eloquent person cannot represent all aspects of truth in one exposition. > > One may decide to throw light on one side of a coin and the other side > > of the coin may remain in the dark. A passionate and strong personality > > like Swami Vivekananda may sometimes focus strongly on one aspect at a > > time and seem to contradict himself later. Though I have no doubt that > > the internal understanding Swami Vivekananda had was probably perfect, > > spoken or written words cannot capture it accurately always. At the end, > > it is all divine play. Lord Rama firmly taught eka patni vrata, while > > Lord Krishna neither stressed it nor followed it. Lord Rama killed > > demons, while the later incarnation of Buddha taught non-violence. When > > gods and rishis come to earth, their main messages, their lila and their > > teachings may change from one incarnation to another depending on > > desa-kaala-paatra. Right and wrong may change from place to place and > > time to time. Each deity or saint or yogi has a specific job to do when > > he/she comes to earth. Swami Vivekananda lived at a different time > > compared to now. Who knows, he might not share the same thoughts on > > astrology if he were back here today. > > > > > > > > Though I know I am digressing, I wanted to make this point when > > someone posted a quote from Swami Vivekananda on astrology several > > months back and did not get time then to do so. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAst <http://www.vedicast/> rologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil <http://saraswatifil/> ms.org > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. <http://groups./> / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. <http://groups./> / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > Namaste Lalit and others, > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived > > With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri > > Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in that book > > for an interesting Jyotish research. I am aware that he gave 6:49 am as > > the birthtime of Swami Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime > > is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami > > Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book > > clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " . Please > > note that IST was not is use at that time and clearly the time is local > > mean time. > > > > > > > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone > > actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain > > common sense to me. > > > > > > > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and > > not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an > > obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > > > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to > > those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a > > hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is the goal > > of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover topics > > related to visions. > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. <http://groups./> / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651 > > > > > > > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference > > between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 > > of gives a small account of a few of my > > experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me. Anyone can > > make claims, but this yogi actually satisfied the skeptic in me. > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. <http://groups./> / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481 > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very > > hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent > > person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can > > understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, > > it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in > > this knowledge of rishis. > > > > > > > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge > > I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in > > your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > It's a day that > > > > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > > > > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > > > > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > > > > > > > > > > This was third time,I visited > > > > > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > > > > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > > > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > > > > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > > > > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > > > > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > > > > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > > > > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > > > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > > > > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > > > > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > > > > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > > > > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I > > > > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > > > > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > > > > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > > > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > > > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > > > > > > to your followers. > > > > > > > > > > > > The great divine mother has finally > > > > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > > > > > > dharmi narrow minded world. > > > > > > When God is with a person, he can > > > > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > > > > > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > > > > > > correct themselves however they are free at their > > > > > > end. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's said that - " Jin > > > > > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > > > > > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > > > > > > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Dear Rohini, Thanks for your mail, I am neither angry nor sorry for the person , but for myself that one shall not disobey the principles taught to us by the Sages, that do not teach to persons having no faith in you, or up till and until one do not take pains to consult you by paying some physical energies with due grace towards you. I am strict on these issues with even my children and bounced back whenever I take the liberty on the persons I felt are dear to me or are friends to me. So the responsibility for everything is on me. Also my own understanding is that you shall have control on yourself , and you are not suppose to control others. Wisdom comes with God grace and is not taught in IIT’s or in the World’s best Institutes. So due to ours affliction by Rahu cause such things, but all being God’s incarnation , we are to live with such persons being plenty of them , as too the major part of God live in them. Rejecting them too will move you away from God. To which I can not compromise. With Best wishes, Inder Jit Sahni On Behalf Of rohinicrystal 21 February, 2010 11:33 AM FW: Re: Birth time of twins Inder_dada, Neki kaar koonayn main daal! As we move forward, the 'island' of divinity will crumble more and more at its edges, as the tsunamis hit the land-mass of Divination. The stronger we all hold on to one another who truly have faith in the validity of divination (and that goes way beyond Jyotish and other Shastras) and maintain our solidarity, the better our chances of winning against ignorance! And superstition! Please note that I wrote " Shastra " and not 'SHAASTRA!' There is no WAR -- just survival while the island crumbles at its edges and we all are forced to crowd in closer more and more over the next few years! Regards, Rohiniranjan <%40> , " Inder Jit Sahni " <inder_jit_sahni wrote: > > The List, > > This person sent me a mail with1 MB attachment, as this person is a gift to me from Jyotish list ,please look at the previous mail written by me below giving him my home address , for him to visit in person rather than to correspond with me. > > And read his response in another mail. > > My prayers to God to help this persons and to the persons he attend freely. > > With Best Wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni > > > Inder Jit Sahni [inder_jit_sahni] > 20 February, 2010 2:55 PM > 'suresh awasthi' > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > > > > Dear Suresh, > > You are slow, practical ,shy, introvert, suspicious but have interest in scriptures and religion; I live at Bhatinda at least 5 hours run fro Delhi. Please do not correspond with me hereafter. You do not need to send me charts. This occupy much my space in mailbox. > > I am in Astrology from last 38years and do not have time to prove things. > > If you can understand my points then it is all right or reread about Rahu Ketu in KP literature. > > The nature I had written is clear from the time of 16.38. > > Please do not give me any reply, my most of time is taken by the visitors , so I do not have time to teach. > > Thanking you > > With Best wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni, > > 1351-HIG,Phase-1,Bhatinda-151001 > > > > suresh awasthi [sureshawasthi6] > 20 February, 2010 1:25 PM > <%40> > Cc: Inder Jit > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > > > > > Dear Ajit Ji, > > Re think for Rah connection with 2nd house, > > inclosed both the chart as time given by you, and then we will discuss present before you, > > I am living near Delhi u.p border called Dilshad Plaza, and where you live pl write > > so we can meet. > > Thanks & Regards > > suresh awasthi > > --- On Sat, 2/20/10, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni wrote: > > > Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > <%40> > Saturday, February 20, 2010, 3:58 AM > > > > Rahu represents all those to whom represent Ketu and Jupiter being in the star of Ketu and being in the sign of Jupiter; > > Ketu represents Mercury/ Rahu /Jupiter being in the Rashi/Star and association. > > So Rahu represent 2,11 as well as 4-7-5-8. > > Moon is not a significator of 7th but of 8th , family background and elders dictate could be main reason for marriage. > > You sure looks a person born at 16.38.33. > > With Best wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni > > <http://us.mc1128.mail./mc/compose?to=%40> [ <http://us.mc1128.mail./mc/compose?to=%40> ] On Behalf Of suresh awasthi > 19 February, 2010 1:09 PM > <http://us.mc1128.mail./mc/compose?to=%40> > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > > Dear Inder Jit Sahni Ji, > Hare Krishna, > Thanks for your reply, How Rah is connected with 2nd can you explain,rest follow the mail > the mail to Krishna Ji. > 2 attachment. > > Thanks & regards > suresh awasthi > > --- On Fri, 2/19/10, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <http://us.mc1128.mail./mc/compose?to=inder_jit_sahni%40.co.in> <inder_ jit_sahni% 40.co. in> > wrote: > > Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <http://us.mc1128.mail./mc/compose?to=inder_jit_sahni%40.co.in> <inder_ jit_sahni% 40.co. in> > > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > <http://us.mc1128.mail./mc/compose?to=%40> <JyotishGrou p%40. com> > Friday, February 19, 2010, 6:57 AM > > Dear Suresh Avasthi, > > To get rectification from me you should be present before me, > > Anyhow; > > Your nearest possible birth times should be 16.26.03 or 16.38.33 hours, Saturn had Jupiter aspect as well as it exchange with Venus, Rahu represent 2nd house as well as 11th ; Venus will give all the results prescribed to Saturn as well as to moon ;then how can you say that Rahu-Venus Venus shall not give marriage. > > Depending upon your features if these are sharp and you are shy and introvert then it is 16.38.33 hours. > > Or if these are dull and mature and you are much in the habit of guiding o others then it is 16.26.03. > > Along with checkup and match the subs of the 4rh ,7th and 9th with your mother, wife and father, you may instantly conclude that which time is correct or wrong and you can check up that which Ayanaha is giving correct , if it is Lahiri/KP or KP new. > > Your parameter that marriage can not happen in Rahu-Veus †" venus is wrong. > > With Best Wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni > > [JyotishGrou p] On Behalf Of suresh awasthi > 18 February, 2010 4:31 PM > > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > > Dear Inder Jit Sahni Ji, > myself could not solve this problem with KP and vedic ,Hence given to you,it is not > for testing , I thought you may do with other type of system > Thanks & Regards > suresh awasthi > > --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <inder_ jit_sahni% 40.co. in> > wrote: > > Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <inder_ jit_sahni% 40.co. in> > > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > <JyotishGrou p%40. com> > Thursday, February 18, 2010, 5:06 AM > > Dear Suresh Ji, > > I am here not to train anybody or for any astrology services, what I write is only to give my thoughts and share my views and way how I use Astrology with my fellow Astrologers; for learning the techniques one should go to his teacher , or can consult even to me with the courtesy as had been formulated by our Rishis to consult an astrologer. > > With Best wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni > > [JyotishGrou p] On Behalf Of suresh awasthi > 17 February, 2010 9:11 PM > > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > > Dear Inder Jit Sahni Ji, > I am providing you one chart kindly rectify the birth time, > DOB 19/03/1955 > TOB 16:31:00 > POB Delhi > Date of marriage is 06/12/1985 > Lets see what time you calculate . > Thanks & Regards > suresh awasthi > > --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <inder_ jit_sahni% 40.co. in> > wrote: > > Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <inder_ jit_sahni% 40.co. in> > > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > <JyotishGrou p%40. com> > Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 6:00 AM > > Dear List, > > My Birth time rectification or Technique I used is not the issue over here, the issue is that can one say with certainty that same ascendant will give one time of characteristics only. > > So fighting with only one tool that Sun in Asc is more important or in 12th Rashi is merely an ignorance. > > Also the Bhava position is more important than the Rashi which may not change some times within few minutes. > > The Ascendant point surely will change. Those who knows the difference due to this change and how to change it without compromising with Basics can tell the difference. > > If I had to rectify the Vivekanands Birth chart , I will fix it to 6.34 AM. > > But I have no intentions to argue for Capricorn or Sagittarius. To the extent of my knowledge which fits well into my understanding of Prashara suggested ways modified to KP I feel that I am correct. > > To the other persons mentioning the methods of rectifications , those are entirely KP based, I do not use them nor I disapprove them as I had not tried and I am satisfied with the results I am getting through the direct consultation to the Public, who is to evaluate my forecasting. > > With best wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni. > > [JyotishGrou p] On Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama > 17 February, 2010 10:14 AM > > Re: Re: Birth time of twins > > Dear All, > > I used Krishna's BTR technique to rectify these twin charts and following are the results I get: > > 1. First set of twins > > Elder baby: 1:55:37 > Younger Baby: 1:56:27 > > I found this to be a tricky case to rectify. > > 2. Second set of twins > > Elder baby: 22:59:52 > Younger baby: 23:00:18 > > The technique is available at the following site for those who are interested: > > http://astrokrishna <http://astrokrishna/> .blogspot. com/2009_ 03_01_archive. html > > Also, I notice that both the twin charts satisfy the Three Rules applicable to Twin's charts as per the following article: > > http://astrokrishna <http://astrokrishna/> .blogspot. com/2008_ 09_01_archive. html > > Regards, > Krishna > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel (AT) hotmail (DOT) com <g.k. goel%40hotmail. com> > > <jyotishgrou p%40. com> > Tue, 16 February, 2010 8:55:01 PM > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > > Dear Sahani , > You have rectified the birth time of first set of twins > within 12 seconds, and another set of twins within > 1min 3 second. > kindly check with some Doctor if such a small difference > in the birth of twins is a medical possibility? > There are many methods to predict about twins , among > them the following method is also dependable and can be used > along with other methods : > 1. In case of elder twin ,consider Ascendant as well as > sign in 11th house as complementary ascending sign . > 2. In case of younger twin , likewise consider Ascending > sign as well as sign in 3rd house. > Kindly give try to this method also. > Regards, > > G. K. Goel > > address: L-409 Sarita Vihar, New Delhi - 110076 > > tel: 011-26943689, 011-41403352, > > mobile: 09350311433 > > <JyotishGrou p%40. com> > mouji99 <mouji99% 40> > Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:18:07 -0800 > Re: Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time > > Inderjit ji, > > Your astrological acumen is well taken and well accepted. But please do tell us, on whom, are you throwing the onus of predicting these charts and I am sure you will also not accept the theory that if Sun is placed in this house, results would be like this. > > regards, > > Mouji > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <inder_ jit_sahni% 40.co. in> > > > <JyotishGrou p%40. com> > > Tue, February 16, 2010 5:49:53 PM > > RE: Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time > > Many great Astrologers here talking with Ascendant and divisional charts; > > Here are two cases for them to study; > > 1st is from Bhatinda 30n12 ; 75e00 the couple consulted few years back for the twin male issues, the birth time given was 1.58 AM for the 1st and 1.59 for the 2nd issue and date supplied was 19.1.2003 with birth at Bhatinda, both had different features and habits, I did not ask any thing give them the birth time as 1.55.05 for the 1st and 1.55.17 for another . what so ever I predicted was accurate , both the child have opposite nature. > > Another is today case,. > > A couple visited from Amritsar with charts for their twin Son and Daughter, they supplied birth date 20.8.2002 born at 23.00 hours at Amritsar for the Daughter and 23.00.30 for the Son; I rectified the time as 22.57.25 and 22.56.22 and described the differences in appearance and habits, every thing was true. > > You want to verify , I can provide the Mobile Phone no’s of both the Couples in private . > > Try if you can trace the reasons for rectification and the personality difference with this minute difference . > > Or do not waste your energies in searching Capricorn or Sagittarius, rather learn what Swami Vivekanand had taught and struggle to guide the young now available Vivekannads rather than to beak your heads on a person of History. > > With Best wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni > > [JyotishGrou p] On Behalf Of Manoj Kumar > > 16 February, 2010 5:18 PM > > > > Re: Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time > > Everyone born on this earth around Sunrise, would have Sun in Lagna. Can you generalise on this alone. How can you? It is called astrology. > > Now Utkal ji will not answer me because I am the nuisance maker because I question him on these aspects. Maybe Gopi ji, you are lucky, he may answer you. > > Mouji > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 <gopi_ b927%40. com> > > > <JyotishGrou p%40. com> > > Tue, February 16, 2010 4:36:12 PM > > Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time > > Dear Utkal/Lalit etc.... > > //You can very well check swami ji's healthy physic with mild obesity > > and his > > face, sun in lagna give rather slender physic, you can refer to > > classics, sun > > gives sharp pointed nose etc, if you look at his photographs you wd find > > his > > nose is flat, look at his beautiful black hairs and remember venus in > > lagna in > > meena navamsa, when jup is in venusian sign in 10th.// > > i also have all these,sun in lagna etc and i was also told by some > > people i look like my guru i am 57yrs and my hair is still black though > > bald,my nose is also flat so what?... > > -gopi. > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Brother Narshimha, > > > > > > Question is why you are putting incorrect misleading reasoning to > > members - > > > > > > Review - > > > > > > Both 6.49 am and 6.33 am is time before sunrise that day. Why you are > > leaving one while advocating another. > > > > > > What weightage Parashara gave to D9, D10, D20, D30 in terms of rupa , > > refer to that before presenting these D charts as independent charts and > > even more important charts than the natal lagna chart. > > > > > > Why writing in misleading manner, come forward and post a comperative > > study using both the lagna giving shlokas from classics in your support, > > do not air your opinion only justifying to your incorrect approach that > > has no ground. > > > > > > Well, as you have circulated dozens of researches based on incorrect > > lagna and time, wd be difficult for you to correct yourself, well > > understood. > > > > > > You are comfortably overlooking the fact that there is no birth time > > like 6.33 am, Refer to scanned copy of Yug Nayak Vivekananda, > > encyclopedic biography of swami ji, this is already sent to you. > > > > > > Rohini Ranjan ji has already gaven details in JR group how incorrect > > 6.33 pm circulated which several people took as 6.33 am assuming a typo. > > 6.33 pm was published in 1908's AM by somebody and 6.33 pm is used in > > notable horoscope by BV Raman. > > > > > > I also gave a history referring to Devakinandan Singh who learn > > astrology in 1898 and written that dhanu lagna kundali is wrong in his > > book published in 1934, he was among those first people who got makar > > lagna kundali. > > > > > > You can very well check swami ji's healthy physic with mild obesity > > and his face, sun in lagna give rather slender physic, you can refer to > > classics, sun gives sharp pointed nose etc, if you look at his > > photographs you wd find his nose is flat, look at his beautiful black > > hairs and remember venus in lagna in meena navamsa, when jup is in > > venusian sign in 10th. > > > > > > Do not ignore leadership given by ruchaka mahapurush yoga in makar > > lagna kundali, in 4th which receives jup's aspect from 10th, this > > defines purpose of life. > > > > > > Most important is timing of his death, wd you take pains to elaborte > > resons by quoting shlokas from classics. > > > > > > That's open for you. > > > > > > Utkal. > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami > > Vivekanadajee, > > > > > I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than > > wasting > > > > > any more time on the birthtime etc. :-) > > > > > > > > You have a point. It is far more useful to study the essence of the > > teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ( " Gospel of > > Ramakrishna " compiled by M is more sublime than any book by Swami > > Vivekananda in my view). > > > > > > > > However, birthtimes and birthcharts of famous people will always be > > of interest to astrologers. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Lalit/Utkal seems to have a lot of time and sending too many mails > > saying that he has astrological reasons for 6:49 am, while we do not > > have such reasons for 6:33 am. > > > > > > > > The time of 6:33 am given in the biography fits the description that > > he was born before sunrise. The time of 6:49 am given in some later day > > books sounds like a rectified time by some astrologer, because lagna > > would barely change to Capricorn at 6:49 am. Some astrologer probably > > thought that Swamiji should have 9th and 10th lords in lagna giving > > Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga and Jupiter in 10th. However, his dhaarmik, > > fierce and magnetic personality is absolutely unexplained with Sun in > > the 12th house, whereas Sun in Sg lagna explains that personality so > > brilliantly. I have no reason to suspect the original recorded time and > > give credence to some astrologer's rectification possibly based on > > thumbrules and not-so-deep knowledge. > > > > > > > > For those who want astrological pointers, here are a few brief > > points on Sg lagna chart. There are many other points based on precise > > principles related to divisional longitudes, dasas and transits, but I > > will keep them for another day. > > > > > > > > (1) Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows > > a powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was). > > > > (2) Lagna in Sg shows a dharmik person of bold and fiery > > temperament. > > > > (3) The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house > > reckoning I pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). That > > shows someone adept at meditation. The 8th lord Moon with Saturn also > > shows a good sadhaka with detachment.s > > > > (4) Chara Aatma Kaaraka Sun is in 1st house (as opposed to 12th > > house with Cp lagna). Chara putra karaka Mercury (using the mixed 7/8 > > chara karaka method I shared earlier, based on Parasara's teachings) is > > also in the first house. AK and PK together or separately in 1st/5th > > houses is a great raja yoga and shows many followers. He was indeed the > > most famous from his group and had great following. > > > > (5) Navamsa shows the marital life. The 7th lord of rasi chart has a > > close conjunction with the 6th lord. He is in the 6th house in navamsa. > > That is not conducive to good marital life. > > > > (6) Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality. > > Saturn and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I > > defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional > > longitudes), showing an ascetic. The 9th lord Mars is in the 10th house > > showing a fiery leader dedicated to dharma. In dasamsa, the 10th lord > > Venus is closely conjoined with the 5th lord Jupiter (within less than > > one degree using D-10 divisional longitudes!) . This very powerful raja > > yoga shows a famous teacher. Moon, Jupiter and Venus occupy the 3rd > > house from lagna (I am using the house method I defined based on > > Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes) and it shows an > > excellent communicator, writer, poet and teacher. > > > > (7) Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict > > lagna. Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children. > > Afflicted 1st and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord > > of rasi chart (Mars) is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in > > D-7. Again, it does not support having progeny. > > > > (8) Vimsamsa has the 8th lord Sun in an adhimitra rasi with nodes > > and it is conducive to intense sadhana and excellent experiences. > > > > (9) In rasi chart, Mars is in 4th house (using the house method I > > shared based on Parasara's teachings) in own sign (Aries). This gives > > Ruchaka yoga. He was indeed a leader of men. > > > > (10) Dwadasamsa shows parents. The 9th house in D-12 is Ge. From > > there, the 10th lord Jupiter can show an attorney. Saturn and Ketu in > > the 9th house can show one who is practical and progressive in religion > > and dharma. Gemini lagna with Mars in it shows a disciplined > > rationalist. The 4th house is Cp and shows mother. Lagna lord with Ketu > > shows a spiritual person. The 9th lord Mercury being aspected by Sun and > > Jupiter shows one who follows religion. Saturn-Rahu- Ketu on the 8th > > house axis shows one who does a lot of austerities and sadhana. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > BTW, talking about Swami Vivekananda' s words and birthtimes, it may > > be interesting to note that he once dismissed astrology saying it is for > > the weak minds. > > > > > > > > Of course, every coin has two sides. Even a highly learned and > > eloquent person cannot represent all aspects of truth in one exposition. > > One may decide to throw light on one side of a coin and the other side > > of the coin may remain in the dark. A passionate and strong personality > > like Swami Vivekananda may sometimes focus strongly on one aspect at a > > time and seem to contradict himself later. Though I have no doubt that > > the internal understanding Swami Vivekananda had was probably perfect, > > spoken or written words cannot capture it accurately always. At the end, > > it is all divine play. Lord Rama firmly taught eka patni vrata, while > > Lord Krishna neither stressed it nor followed it. Lord Rama killed > > demons, while the later incarnation of Buddha taught non-violence. When > > gods and rishis come to earth, their main messages, their lila and their > > teachings may change from one incarnation to another depending on > > desa-kaala-paatra. Right and wrong may change from place to place and > > time to time. Each deity or saint or yogi has a specific job to do when > > he/she comes to earth. Swami Vivekananda lived at a different time > > compared to now. Who knows, he might not share the same thoughts on > > astrology if he were back here today. > > > > > > > > Though I know I am digressing, I wanted to make this point when > > someone posted a quote from Swami Vivekananda on astrology several > > months back and did not get time then to do so. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAst <http://www.vedicast/> rologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil <http://saraswatifil/> ms.org > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. <http://groups./> / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. <http://groups./> / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > Namaste Lalit and others, > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived > > With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri > > Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in that book > > for an interesting Jyotish research. I am aware that he gave 6:49 am as > > the birthtime of Swami Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime > > is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami > > Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book > > clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " . Please > > note that IST was not is use at that time and clearly the time is local > > mean time. > > > > > > > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone > > actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain > > common sense to me. > > > > > > > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and > > not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an > > obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > > > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to > > those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a > > hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is the goal > > of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover topics > > related to visions. > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. <http://groups./> / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651 > > > > > > > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference > > between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 > > of gives a small account of a few of my > > experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me. Anyone can > > make claims, but this yogi actually satisfied the skeptic in me. > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. <http://groups./> / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481 > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very > > hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent > > person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can > > understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, > > it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in > > this knowledge of rishis. > > > > > > > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge > > I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in > > your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > It's a day that > > > > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > > > > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > > > > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > > > > > > > > > > This was third time,I visited > > > > > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > > > > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > > > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > > > > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > > > > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > > > > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > > > > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > > > > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > > > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > > > > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > > > > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > > > > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > > > > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I > > > > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > > > > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > > > > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > > > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > > > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > > > > > > to your followers. > > > > > > > > > > > > The great divine mother has finally > > > > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > > > > > > dharmi narrow minded world. > > > > > > When God is with a person, he can > > > > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > > > > > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > > > > > > correct themselves however they are free at their > > > > > > end. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's said that - " Jin > > > > > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > > > > > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > > > > > > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 That is a good approach to adopt in life, Inder-dada. Regards, Rohiniranjan , " Inder Jit Sahni " <inder_jit_sahni wrote: > > Dear Rohini, > > Thanks for your mail, I am neither angry nor sorry for the person , but for myself that one shall not disobey the principles taught to us by the Sages, that do not teach to persons having no faith in you, or up till and until one do not take pains to consult you by paying some physical energies with due grace towards you. > > I am strict on these issues with even my children and bounced back whenever I take the liberty on the persons I felt are dear to me or are friends to me. > > So the responsibility for everything is on me. Also my own understanding is that you shall have control on yourself , and you are not suppose to control others. Wisdom comes with God grace and is not taught in IIT’s or in the World’s best Institutes. So due to ours affliction by Rahu cause such things, but all being God’s incarnation , we are to live with such persons being plenty of them , as too the major part of God live in them. Rejecting them too will move you away from God. To which I can not compromise. > > With Best wishes, > > Inder Jit Sahni > On Behalf Of rohinicrystal > 21 February, 2010 11:33 AM > > FW: Re: Birth time of twins > > > > > > Inder_dada, > > Neki kaar koonayn main daal! > > As we move forward, the 'island' of divinity will crumble more and more at its edges, as the tsunamis hit the land-mass of Divination. The stronger we all hold on to one another who truly have faith in the validity of divination (and that goes way beyond Jyotish and other Shastras) and maintain our solidarity, the better our chances of winning against ignorance! And superstition! > > Please note that I wrote " Shastra " and not 'SHAASTRA!' > > There is no WAR -- just survival while the island crumbles at its edges and we all are forced to crowd in closer more and more over the next few years! > > Regards, > > Rohiniranjan > > <%40> , " Inder Jit Sahni " <inder_jit_sahni@> wrote: > > > > The List, > > > > This person sent me a mail with1 MB attachment, as this person is a gift to me from Jyotish list ,please look at the previous mail written by me below giving him my home address , for him to visit in person rather than to correspond with me. > > > > And read his response in another mail. > > > > My prayers to God to help this persons and to the persons he attend freely. > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > Inder Jit Sahni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder Jit Sahni [inder_jit_sahni@] > > 20 February, 2010 2:55 PM > > 'suresh awasthi' > > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > > > > > > > > Dear Suresh, > > > > You are slow, practical ,shy, introvert, suspicious but have interest in scriptures and religion; I live at Bhatinda at least 5 hours run fro Delhi. Please do not correspond with me hereafter. You do not need to send me charts. This occupy much my space in mailbox. > > > > I am in Astrology from last 38years and do not have time to prove things. > > > > If you can understand my points then it is all right or reread about Rahu Ketu in KP literature. > > > > The nature I had written is clear from the time of 16.38. > > > > Please do not give me any reply, my most of time is taken by the visitors , so I do not have time to teach. > > > > Thanking you > > > > With Best wishes, > > > > Inder Jit Sahni, > > > > 1351-HIG,Phase-1,Bhatinda-151001 > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi [sureshawasthi6@] > > 20 February, 2010 1:25 PM > > <%40> > > Cc: Inder Jit > > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ajit Ji, > > > > Re think for Rah connection with 2nd house, > > > > inclosed both the chart as time given by you, and then we will discuss present before you, > > > > I am living near Delhi u.p border called Dilshad Plaza, and where you live pl write > > > > so we can meet. > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > --- On Sat, 2/20/10, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@> wrote: > > > > > > Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@> > > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > > <%40> > > Saturday, February 20, 2010, 3:58 AM > > > > > > > > Rahu represents all those to whom represent Ketu and Jupiter being in the star of Ketu and being in the sign of Jupiter; > > > > Ketu represents Mercury/ Rahu /Jupiter being in the Rashi/Star and association. > > > > So Rahu represent 2,11 as well as 4-7-5-8. > > > > Moon is not a significator of 7th but of 8th , family background and elders dictate could be main reason for marriage. > > > > You sure looks a person born at 16.38.33. > > > > With Best wishes, > > > > Inder Jit Sahni > > > > <http://us.mc1128.mail./mc/compose?to=%40> [ <http://us.mc1128.mail./mc/compose?to=%40> ] On Behalf Of suresh awasthi > > 19 February, 2010 1:09 PM > > <http://us.mc1128.mail./mc/compose?to=%40> > > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > > > > Dear Inder Jit Sahni Ji, > > Hare Krishna, > > Thanks for your reply, How Rah is connected with 2nd can you explain,rest follow the mail > > the mail to Krishna Ji. > > 2 attachment. > > > > Thanks & regards > > suresh awasthi > > > > --- On Fri, 2/19/10, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <http://us.mc1128.mail./mc/compose?to=inder_jit_sahni%40.co.in> <inder_ jit_sahni% 40.co. in> > wrote: > > > > Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <http://us.mc1128.mail./mc/compose?to=inder_jit_sahni%40.co.in> <inder_ jit_sahni% 40.co. in> > > > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > > <http://us.mc1128.mail./mc/compose?to=%40> <JyotishGrou p%40. com> > > Friday, February 19, 2010, 6:57 AM > > > > Dear Suresh Avasthi, > > > > To get rectification from me you should be present before me, > > > > Anyhow; > > > > Your nearest possible birth times should be 16.26.03 or 16.38.33 hours, Saturn had Jupiter aspect as well as it exchange with Venus, Rahu represent 2nd house as well as 11th ; Venus will give all the results prescribed to Saturn as well as to moon ;then how can you say that Rahu-Venus Venus shall not give marriage. > > > > Depending upon your features if these are sharp and you are shy and introvert then it is 16.38.33 hours. > > > > Or if these are dull and mature and you are much in the habit of guiding o others then it is 16.26.03. > > > > Along with checkup and match the subs of the 4rh ,7th and 9th with your mother, wife and father, you may instantly conclude that which time is correct or wrong and you can check up that which Ayanaha is giving correct , if it is Lahiri/KP or KP new. > > > > Your parameter that marriage can not happen in Rahu-Veus †" venus is wrong. > > > > With Best Wishes, > > > > Inder Jit Sahni > > > > [JyotishGrou p@ . com] On Behalf Of suresh awasthi > > 18 February, 2010 4:31 PM > > > > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > > > > Dear Inder Jit Sahni Ji, > > myself could not solve this problem with KP and vedic ,Hence given to you,it is not > > for testing , I thought you may do with other type of system > > Thanks & Regards > > suresh awasthi > > > > --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <inder_ jit_sahni% 40.co. in> > wrote: > > > > Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <inder_ jit_sahni% 40.co. in> > > > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > > <JyotishGrou p%40. com> > > Thursday, February 18, 2010, 5:06 AM > > > > Dear Suresh Ji, > > > > I am here not to train anybody or for any astrology services, what I write is only to give my thoughts and share my views and way how I use Astrology with my fellow Astrologers; for learning the techniques one should go to his teacher , or can consult even to me with the courtesy as had been formulated by our Rishis to consult an astrologer. > > > > With Best wishes, > > > > Inder Jit Sahni > > > > [JyotishGrou p@ . com] On Behalf Of suresh awasthi > > 17 February, 2010 9:11 PM > > > > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > > > > Dear Inder Jit Sahni Ji, > > I am providing you one chart kindly rectify the birth time, > > DOB 19/03/1955 > > TOB 16:31:00 > > POB Delhi > > Date of marriage is 06/12/1985 > > Lets see what time you calculate . > > Thanks & Regards > > suresh awasthi > > > > --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <inder_ jit_sahni% 40.co. in> > wrote: > > > > Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <inder_ jit_sahni% 40.co. in> > > > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > > <JyotishGrou p%40. com> > > Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 6:00 AM > > > > Dear List, > > > > My Birth time rectification or Technique I used is not the issue over here, the issue is that can one say with certainty that same ascendant will give one time of characteristics only. > > > > So fighting with only one tool that Sun in Asc is more important or in 12th Rashi is merely an ignorance. > > > > Also the Bhava position is more important than the Rashi which may not change some times within few minutes. > > > > The Ascendant point surely will change. Those who knows the difference due to this change and how to change it without compromising with Basics can tell the difference. > > > > If I had to rectify the Vivekanands Birth chart , I will fix it to 6.34 AM. > > > > But I have no intentions to argue for Capricorn or Sagittarius. To the extent of my knowledge which fits well into my understanding of Prashara suggested ways modified to KP I feel that I am correct. > > > > To the other persons mentioning the methods of rectifications , those are entirely KP based, I do not use them nor I disapprove them as I had not tried and I am satisfied with the results I am getting through the direct consultation to the Public, who is to evaluate my forecasting. > > > > With best wishes, > > > > Inder Jit Sahni. > > > > [JyotishGrou p@ . com] On Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > 17 February, 2010 10:14 AM > > > > Re: Re: Birth time of twins > > > > Dear All, > > > > I used Krishna's BTR technique to rectify these twin charts and following are the results I get: > > > > 1. First set of twins > > > > Elder baby: 1:55:37 > > Younger Baby: 1:56:27 > > > > I found this to be a tricky case to rectify. > > > > 2. Second set of twins > > > > Elder baby: 22:59:52 > > Younger baby: 23:00:18 > > > > The technique is available at the following site for those who are interested: > > > > http://astrokrishna <http://astrokrishna/> .blogspot. com/2009_ 03_01_archive. html > > > > Also, I notice that both the twin charts satisfy the Three Rules applicable to Twin's charts as per the following article: > > > > http://astrokrishna <http://astrokrishna/> .blogspot. com/2008_ 09_01_archive. html > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel (AT) hotmail (DOT) com <g.k. goel%40hotmail. com> > > > <jyotishgrou p%40. com> > > Tue, 16 February, 2010 8:55:01 PM > > RE: Re: Birth time of twins > > > > Dear Sahani , > > You have rectified the birth time of first set of twins > > within 12 seconds, and another set of twins within > > 1min 3 second. > > kindly check with some Doctor if such a small difference > > in the birth of twins is a medical possibility? > > There are many methods to predict about twins , among > > them the following method is also dependable and can be used > > along with other methods : > > 1. In case of elder twin ,consider Ascendant as well as > > sign in 11th house as complementary ascending sign . > > 2. In case of younger twin , likewise consider Ascending > > sign as well as sign in 3rd house. > > Kindly give try to this method also. > > Regards, > > > > G. K. Goel > > > > address: L-409 Sarita Vihar, New Delhi - 110076 > > > > tel: 011-26943689, 011-41403352, > > > > mobile: 09350311433 > > > > <JyotishGrou p%40. com> > > mouji99 <mouji99% 40> > > Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:18:07 -0800 > > Re: Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time > > > > Inderjit ji, > > > > Your astrological acumen is well taken and well accepted. But please do tell us, on whom, are you throwing the onus of predicting these charts and I am sure you will also not accept the theory that if Sun is placed in this house, results would be like this. > > > > regards, > > > > Mouji > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni@ .co. in <inder_ jit_sahni% 40.co. in> > > > > > <JyotishGrou p%40. com> > > > > Tue, February 16, 2010 5:49:53 PM > > > > RE: Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time > > > > Many great Astrologers here talking with Ascendant and divisional charts; > > > > Here are two cases for them to study; > > > > 1st is from Bhatinda 30n12 ; 75e00 the couple consulted few years back for the twin male issues, the birth time given was 1.58 AM for the 1st and 1.59 for the 2nd issue and date supplied was 19.1.2003 with birth at Bhatinda, both had different features and habits, I did not ask any thing give them the birth time as 1.55.05 for the 1st and 1.55.17 for another . what so ever I predicted was accurate , both the child have opposite nature. > > > > Another is today case,. > > > > A couple visited from Amritsar with charts for their twin Son and Daughter, they supplied birth date 20.8.2002 born at 23.00 hours at Amritsar for the Daughter and 23.00.30 for the Son; I rectified the time as 22.57.25 and 22.56.22 and described the differences in appearance and habits, every thing was true. > > > > You want to verify , I can provide the Mobile Phone no’s of both the Couples in private . > > > > Try if you can trace the reasons for rectification and the personality difference with this minute difference . > > > > Or do not waste your energies in searching Capricorn or Sagittarius, rather learn what Swami Vivekanand had taught and struggle to guide the young now available Vivekannads rather than to beak your heads on a person of History. > > > > With Best wishes, > > > > Inder Jit Sahni > > > > [JyotishGrou p@ . com] On Behalf Of Manoj Kumar > > > > 16 February, 2010 5:18 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time > > > > Everyone born on this earth around Sunrise, would have Sun in Lagna. Can you generalise on this alone. How can you? It is called astrology. > > > > Now Utkal ji will not answer me because I am the nuisance maker because I question him on these aspects. Maybe Gopi ji, you are lucky, he may answer you. > > > > Mouji > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 <gopi_ b927%40. com> > > > > > <JyotishGrou p%40. com> > > > > Tue, February 16, 2010 4:36:12 PM > > > > Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time > > > > Dear Utkal/Lalit etc.... > > > > //You can very well check swami ji's healthy physic with mild obesity > > > > and his > > > > face, sun in lagna give rather slender physic, you can refer to > > > > classics, sun > > > > gives sharp pointed nose etc, if you look at his photographs you wd find > > > > his > > > > nose is flat, look at his beautiful black hairs and remember venus in > > > > lagna in > > > > meena navamsa, when jup is in venusian sign in 10th.// > > > > i also have all these,sun in lagna etc and i was also told by some > > > > people i look like my guru i am 57yrs and my hair is still black though > > > > bald,my nose is also flat so what?... > > > > -gopi. > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Brother Narshimha, > > > > > > > > > > Question is why you are putting incorrect misleading reasoning to > > > > members - > > > > > > > > > > Review - > > > > > > > > > > Both 6.49 am and 6.33 am is time before sunrise that day. Why you are > > > > leaving one while advocating another. > > > > > > > > > > What weightage Parashara gave to D9, D10, D20, D30 in terms of rupa , > > > > refer to that before presenting these D charts as independent charts and > > > > even more important charts than the natal lagna chart. > > > > > > > > > > Why writing in misleading manner, come forward and post a comperative > > > > study using both the lagna giving shlokas from classics in your support, > > > > do not air your opinion only justifying to your incorrect approach that > > > > has no ground. > > > > > > > > > > Well, as you have circulated dozens of researches based on incorrect > > > > lagna and time, wd be difficult for you to correct yourself, well > > > > understood. > > > > > > > > > > You are comfortably overlooking the fact that there is no birth time > > > > like 6.33 am, Refer to scanned copy of Yug Nayak Vivekananda, > > > > encyclopedic biography of swami ji, this is already sent to you. > > > > > > > > > > Rohini Ranjan ji has already gaven details in JR group how incorrect > > > > 6.33 pm circulated which several people took as 6.33 am assuming a typo. > > > > 6.33 pm was published in 1908's AM by somebody and 6.33 pm is used in > > > > notable horoscope by BV Raman. > > > > > > > > > > I also gave a history referring to Devakinandan Singh who learn > > > > astrology in 1898 and written that dhanu lagna kundali is wrong in his > > > > book published in 1934, he was among those first people who got makar > > > > lagna kundali. > > > > > > > > > > You can very well check swami ji's healthy physic with mild obesity > > > > and his face, sun in lagna give rather slender physic, you can refer to > > > > classics, sun gives sharp pointed nose etc, if you look at his > > > > photographs you wd find his nose is flat, look at his beautiful black > > > > hairs and remember venus in lagna in meena navamsa, when jup is in > > > > venusian sign in 10th. > > > > > > > > > > Do not ignore leadership given by ruchaka mahapurush yoga in makar > > > > lagna kundali, in 4th which receives jup's aspect from 10th, this > > > > defines purpose of life. > > > > > > > > > > Most important is timing of his death, wd you take pains to elaborte > > > > resons by quoting shlokas from classics. > > > > > > > > > > That's open for you. > > > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami > > > > Vivekanadajee, > > > > > > > I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than > > > > wasting > > > > > > > any more time on the birthtime etc. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > You have a point. It is far more useful to study the essence of the > > > > teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ( " Gospel of > > > > Ramakrishna " compiled by M is more sublime than any book by Swami > > > > Vivekananda in my view). > > > > > > > > > > > > However, birthtimes and birthcharts of famous people will always be > > > > of interest to astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit/Utkal seems to have a lot of time and sending too many mails > > > > saying that he has astrological reasons for 6:49 am, while we do not > > > > have such reasons for 6:33 am. > > > > > > > > > > > > The time of 6:33 am given in the biography fits the description that > > > > he was born before sunrise. The time of 6:49 am given in some later day > > > > books sounds like a rectified time by some astrologer, because lagna > > > > would barely change to Capricorn at 6:49 am. Some astrologer probably > > > > thought that Swamiji should have 9th and 10th lords in lagna giving > > > > Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga and Jupiter in 10th. However, his dhaarmik, > > > > fierce and magnetic personality is absolutely unexplained with Sun in > > > > the 12th house, whereas Sun in Sg lagna explains that personality so > > > > brilliantly. I have no reason to suspect the original recorded time and > > > > give credence to some astrologer's rectification possibly based on > > > > thumbrules and not-so-deep knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who want astrological pointers, here are a few brief > > > > points on Sg lagna chart. There are many other points based on precise > > > > principles related to divisional longitudes, dasas and transits, but I > > > > will keep them for another day. > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows > > > > a powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was). > > > > > > (2) Lagna in Sg shows a dharmik person of bold and fiery > > > > temperament. > > > > > > (3) The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house > > > > reckoning I pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). That > > > > shows someone adept at meditation. The 8th lord Moon with Saturn also > > > > shows a good sadhaka with detachment.s > > > > > > (4) Chara Aatma Kaaraka Sun is in 1st house (as opposed to 12th > > > > house with Cp lagna). Chara putra karaka Mercury (using the mixed 7/8 > > > > chara karaka method I shared earlier, based on Parasara's teachings) is > > > > also in the first house. AK and PK together or separately in 1st/5th > > > > houses is a great raja yoga and shows many followers. He was indeed the > > > > most famous from his group and had great following. > > > > > > (5) Navamsa shows the marital life. The 7th lord of rasi chart has a > > > > close conjunction with the 6th lord. He is in the 6th house in navamsa. > > > > That is not conducive to good marital life. > > > > > > (6) Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality. > > > > Saturn and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I > > > > defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional > > > > longitudes), showing an ascetic. The 9th lord Mars is in the 10th house > > > > showing a fiery leader dedicated to dharma. In dasamsa, the 10th lord > > > > Venus is closely conjoined with the 5th lord Jupiter (within less than > > > > one degree using D-10 divisional longitudes!) . This very powerful raja > > > > yoga shows a famous teacher. Moon, Jupiter and Venus occupy the 3rd > > > > house from lagna (I am using the house method I defined based on > > > > Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes) and it shows an > > > > excellent communicator, writer, poet and teacher. > > > > > > (7) Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict > > > > lagna. Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children. > > > > Afflicted 1st and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord > > > > of rasi chart (Mars) is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in > > > > D-7. Again, it does not support having progeny. > > > > > > (8) Vimsamsa has the 8th lord Sun in an adhimitra rasi with nodes > > > > and it is conducive to intense sadhana and excellent experiences. > > > > > > (9) In rasi chart, Mars is in 4th house (using the house method I > > > > shared based on Parasara's teachings) in own sign (Aries). This gives > > > > Ruchaka yoga. He was indeed a leader of men. > > > > > > (10) Dwadasamsa shows parents. The 9th house in D-12 is Ge. From > > > > there, the 10th lord Jupiter can show an attorney. Saturn and Ketu in > > > > the 9th house can show one who is practical and progressive in religion > > > > and dharma. Gemini lagna with Mars in it shows a disciplined > > > > rationalist. The 4th house is Cp and shows mother. Lagna lord with Ketu > > > > shows a spiritual person. The 9th lord Mercury being aspected by Sun and > > > > Jupiter shows one who follows religion. Saturn-Rahu- Ketu on the 8th > > > > house axis shows one who does a lot of austerities and sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, talking about Swami Vivekananda' s words and birthtimes, it may > > > > be interesting to note that he once dismissed astrology saying it is for > > > > the weak minds. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, every coin has two sides. Even a highly learned and > > > > eloquent person cannot represent all aspects of truth in one exposition. > > > > One may decide to throw light on one side of a coin and the other side > > > > of the coin may remain in the dark. A passionate and strong personality > > > > like Swami Vivekananda may sometimes focus strongly on one aspect at a > > > > time and seem to contradict himself later. Though I have no doubt that > > > > the internal understanding Swami Vivekananda had was probably perfect, > > > > spoken or written words cannot capture it accurately always. At the end, > > > > it is all divine play. Lord Rama firmly taught eka patni vrata, while > > > > Lord Krishna neither stressed it nor followed it. Lord Rama killed > > > > demons, while the later incarnation of Buddha taught non-violence. When > > > > gods and rishis come to earth, their main messages, their lila and their > > > > teachings may change from one incarnation to another depending on > > > > desa-kaala-paatra. Right and wrong may change from place to place and > > > > time to time. Each deity or saint or yogi has a specific job to do when > > > > he/she comes to earth. Swami Vivekananda lived at a different time > > > > compared to now. Who knows, he might not share the same thoughts on > > > > astrology if he were back here today. > > > > > > > > > > > > Though I know I am digressing, I wanted to make this point when > > > > someone posted a quote from Swami Vivekananda on astrology several > > > > months back and did not get time then to do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > > http://www.VedicAst <http://www.vedicast/> rologer.org > > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil <http://saraswatifil/> ms.org > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. <http://groups./> / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. <http://groups./> / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Lalit and others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived > > > > With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri > > > > Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in that book > > > > for an interesting Jyotish research. I am aware that he gave 6:49 am as > > > > the birthtime of Swami Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime > > > > is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami > > > > Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book > > > > clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " . Please > > > > note that IST was not is use at that time and clearly the time is local > > > > mean time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone > > > > actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain > > > > common sense to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and > > > > not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an > > > > obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > > > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to > > > > those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a > > > > hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is the goal > > > > of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover topics > > > > related to visions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. <http://groups./> / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference > > > > between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 > > > > of gives a small account of a few of my > > > > experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me. Anyone can > > > > make claims, but this yogi actually satisfied the skeptic in me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. <http://groups./> / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very > > > > hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent > > > > person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can > > > > understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, > > > > it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in > > > > this knowledge of rishis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge > > > > I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in > > > > your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a day that > > > > > > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > > > > > > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > > > > > > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This was third time,I visited > > > > > > > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > > > > > > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > > > > > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > > > > > > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > > > > > > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > > > > > > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > > > > > > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > > > > > > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > > > > > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > > > > > > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > > > > > > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > > > > > > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > > > > > > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I > > > > > > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > > > > > > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > > > > > > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > > > > > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > > > > > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > > > > > > > > to your followers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The great divine mother has finally > > > > > > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > > > > > > > > dharmi narrow minded world. > > > > > > > > When God is with a person, he can > > > > > > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > > > > > > > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > > > > > > > > correct themselves however they are free at their > > > > > > > > end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's said that - " Jin > > > > > > > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > > > > > > > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > > > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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