Too many options in JHora - Observations 3/Request to Unite

March 6, 2010

Dear Shri Narasimha

7. Shri Rath's Wisdom is necessary along with your ablities to succeed in the

field of astrology and for more positive contributions.Honest Criticism is

received when we deviate from the path of Truth.It is human to err.

8. As in economies of scale, our collective effort(though we travel and perceive

ourselves as seperate) and collective WHOLE feeling is what that makes our path

easy towards reality/destination. You have your strengths.Similarly there are

others, who may perceive aspects that you may not.

9. My humble request to you and Shri Sanjay Rath would be to shed all

differences, (while continuing to engage in positive debates), and embrace each

other.

Let Lord bless all of us.

If my words were harsh kindly forgive.

Thanks

Pradeep

, " Vijayadas " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Narasimha

>

> It is good to see your latest emails. If you have fully identified yourself

with the good words you have spoken about shri

>

> Snjay Rath, then let GOD bless you.

>

> I have been planning to write this since couple of days, but couldn't. However

you have come up with such an email.

>

> You are matured enough and experienced and do not need my words. As a younger

brother my suggestion would be - Irrespective

>

> of what others are writing, you may not write harsh words about Shri Sanjay

Rath nor support what other's are writing. One

>

> can always debate on astrological understandings with anybody including Guru ,

but in a healthy way. I will write more

>

> towards the end of this email.

>

> 1. Your understanding of KCD - the dasha pattern , ie always following the

order of planetary lordship starting with Mars, Venus etc in an anuloma and

Pratiloma fashion, shifting between Mesha amsha and Vrischika amsha, for

nakshathra padas based on savya-apasavya is indeed logical.Only shift being

Cancer /Leo based on the beginning order,for which as well you have given

logical explanation.

>

> 2. I happened to read the research article written by Shri Ramanarayanan on

KCD in 2004 or so , and i beleive it brilliantly

>

> explains the philosophical as well as astrological logic underlying the KCD

and various jumps like Simhavalokan etc, with

>

> reference to various temples.A highly divine write up based on old Tanjore

manuscripts.

>

> 3. One question which i may have regarding antar dasha calculation is - when

you had got this idea/knowledge from a book

>

> published in 1930 and when you knew the author of the book - why did you plan

to publish this method as '' Rath and Rao''

>

> method ?. At the same time i can see that you always use a ''copyright'' for

your articles.

>

> continued

>

> , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Four points:

> >

> > (1) I gave my observations honestly. But, for all you know, my views may or

may not be perfect. Other people who also have a lot of experience with him may,

for all you know, disagree with me.

> >

> > (2) It will be very crude and unethical to use our limited knowledge of

astrology to justify our views in matters like this. If history makes a judgment

on this in future and/or creates a distance between us and these happenings,

THEN it may be acceptable to analyze them astrologically.

> >

> > (3) Sanjay ji is a man with some good knowledge. If he is honest about what

is from parampara and what are his ideas and enables intelligent youngsters to

do unbiased research (instead of jumping to hasty conclusions, teaching that as

parampara knowledge and making it into a cult), he may still make a positive

difference. In the beginning, he had honesty and spirit of truth. He was quite

honest with me about many things he was unsure of and asked me to investigate

(e.g. solar vs soli-lunar months in TP). He changed. But he is basically a good

man and wants the knowledge of rishis to triumph in the world, just as I do. I

do not like to write anyone off in my book. Everyone has many choices in front

of one at all times, whether one sees them or not. I do not control the choices

others make and also I do not like to prejudge the choices they may make in

future.

> >

> > (4) I haven't " dissociated " with Sanjay ji. How can one dissociate with

someone who gave one some useful knowledge and who inspired one to do an

important good karma (giving JHora to the world)? I have merely stated what I

honestly believe to be the truth, for the benefit of other students and

community. Simply a new event occurred in our " association " .

> >

> > Arjuna may have fired arrows at Drona or even killed him. But would he say

" I dissociated with Drona " ? The association/relationship of a teacher-student is

permanent.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > JHora uses yyyy-mm-dd format to stay neutral to Indo-European (dd-mm-yyyy)

and American (mm-dd-yyyy) styles and also to be logical (Y > M > D). I will

consider adding an option in a future release. But this request is too late for

the 7.4 release which is going to happen very soon. The beta version is under

testing in the jhora and the official release is only days away.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -

> > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> > Spirituality:

> > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> > -

> >

> > , Vinay Kumar <vinay69@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Narasimha,

> > >

> > > I think you are true to your heart and mind in whatever you say and

> > > practice. I have been following your writings closely and must say you

have

> > > contributed some genuine original stuff that is a result of your laborious

> > > research. Please continue and I see you right there it to the top rung of

> > > astrologers in the next decade.

> > >

> > > Thinking of your dissociation with Sri Sanjay-ji, in your opinion, what

> > > astrological factors in his horoscope do you think makes him propound

> > > jyotish knowledge that you think is incorrect or corrupted knowledge? I

mean

> > > when we disucss jyotish, this has to show in the dashas and bukthis or

> > > other factors in his horoscope.

> > >

> > > I have another question regarding JHora. In the Dasas Tab for starting and

> > > ending dates is is possible to get dd-mm-yyyy rather than yyyy-mm-dd

format?

> > > I tried the preferences tab (related to display) but could not find the

> > > option to change this. If this is not available I suggest you include it

in

> > > your next release, I really prefer to see the Indian date format which I

> > > have always been used to.

> > >

> > > Warm regards,

> > > Vinay

> > >

> > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Namaste Manoj ji,

> > > >

> > > > > Sanjay did not seem to have any knowledge of Parampara.

> > > >

> > > > There is some genuine uncommon knowledge taught by Sanjay ji. For

example,

> > > > Tithi Pravesha works very well. Of course, it may be imperfect (e.g.

solar

> > > > vs soli-lunar issue I mentioned before), but it works quite well. As it

is

> > > > not found in any books or classics and as there weren't too many people

who

> > > > used it before he popularized it, it is reasonable to assume that Sanjay

ji

> > > > did know some secrets. But the quality of his teachings is quite erratic

and

> > > > non-uniform. I disagree with you regarding Parampara and stand by my

reading

> > > > of the situation as described in the mail below.

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Neelam ji,

> > > >

> > > > > I remember Sh K N Rao's words today. Last year he said on one occasion

> > > > that

> > > > > Narsimha is in wrong hands, but he will come out of this soon!

Astrology

> > > > > makes much sense, isn't it?

> > > >

> > > > It is interesting that Sri K.N. Rao should be interested in my

horoscope.

> > > > Please convey my regards to him.

> > > >

> > > > However, it is not factually correct to say that I " came out " NOW. I

first

> > > > communicated with Sanjay ji in late 1997 and became his student in

spring

> > > > 1998. I learnt some good knowledge in the next few years. As Sanjay ji

> > > > maintains an air of " there is more to this, but I will teach it later " ,

you

> > > > keep giving him the benefit of doubt. I started noticing inconsistencies

in

> > > > his knowledge and started questioning him, as soon as 2001-2002. I

> > > > maintained intellectual independence in all public exchanges. From 2004,

I

> > > > gave up on Sanjay ji. I convinced myself that I am dealing with highly

> > > > corrupted knowledge that also contains some gems and started independent

> > > > research to sort things. My intention was to clean up the mess while

> > > > remaining within his organization. During 2005-2006, I nearly gave up

> > > > astrology as my mind was drawn towards god. After the seed for the " do

homam

> > > > yourself " movement was sown in 2006, I was back to astrology seriously.

I

> > > > vigorously pursued independent astrology research in 2006-2009, without

any

> > > > expectations and with a much calmer frame of mind. Some of the findings

are

> > > > shared, some are in the pipeline and some need to be perfected still.

> > > >

> > > > However, I still did not come clean with my honest opinions on Sanjay ji

to

> > > > caution other students. My spiritual master asked me to stand for truth

> > > > without fear and not tolerate dishonesty. He wisely wondered if fear of

> > > > offending teacher and creating confusion in people's mind by rocking the

> > > > applecart were the only considerations in my mind or if I was also

> > > > sub-consciously concerned about losing something by being truthful and

going

> > > > against them. He reminded me that we come with nothing and go with

nothing

> > > > and why should we fear anything or seek anything. He told me to be

truthful

> > > > and honest and do my dharma sincerely. It slowly sunk in. From

2007-2008, I

> > > > started hinting at Sanjay ji's dishonesty and misrepresentations

publicly.

> > > >

> > > > Thus, my " coming out " started long back and has been unfolding slowly.

As

> > > > far as Jyotish knowledge is concerned, I've been on my own for several

years

> > > > now.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > -------------------------

> > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> > > > Spirituality:

> > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> > > > -------------------------

> > > >

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I remember Sh K N Rao's words today. Last year he said on one occasion

> > > > that

> > > > > Narsimha is in wrong hands, but he will come out of this soon!

Astrology

> > > > > makes much sense, isn't it?

> > > > >

> > > > > A journey of 17 years through the long-winded tunnel! But the

intelligent

> > > > > enigma has dug really deep and collected much wealth to start afresh!

I

> > > > > appreciate his knowledge and scientific probes which he shares freely,

> > > > not

> > > > > to mention the great service done through JHora.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes to Narsimha ji.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > > On 4 March 2010 10:33, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes and my acquaintance with Sanjay is

> > > > concerned

> > > > > > (when he was working in Delhi at Krishi Bhawan), Sanjay did not seem

to

> > > > have

> > > > > > any knowledge of Parampara. His uncles (both paternal and maternal)

did

> > > > not

> > > > > > even consult him astrologically then.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Manoj

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@ <pvr%40charter.net>>

> > > > > > To:

vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40><vedic-astrolo\

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> > > > 40>;

> > > > > >

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> > > > 40>;

> > > > > > JyotishWritings

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> > > > 40>;

> > > > > > jhora <jhora%40> <jhora%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > Wed, March 3, 2010 11:54:44 PM

> > > > > > Too many options in JHora

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Partha,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Narasimha

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The contradictions seem to be too many. First it was sudasa,

> > > > > > > now it is kalachakra dasa. It is far too confusing. Just like

> > > > > > > you added options for Chara dasa( K N Rao, Rangacharya method)

> > > > > > > etc, i guess you can make it KCD Rath, and KCD Narasimha etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the case of Sudasa, Sanjay ji kept changing the definition

everytime

> > > > we

> > > > > > met for a conference. First, I assumed he was testing us and wanted

us

> > > > to

> > > > > > figure out what is correct. Later, I concluded that he himself is

not

> > > > sure.

> > > > > > However, my belief is that he received some knowledge in the

parampara

> > > > > > regarding Sudasa, which did not stick with him perfectly and hence

the

> > > > > > confusion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the case of KCD, I am quite sure Sanjay ji does not have any

secrets

> > > > > > from parampara. He told me several times that he relied on *me* to

> > > > crack the

> > > > > > KCD and ashtakavarga puzzles. He was very excited when I revealed

the

> > > > basic

> > > > > > KCD idea to him. I am afraid he simply hijacked what I shared with

him

> > > > and

> > > > > > what I later wrote as a paper in our joint names and running with it

> > > > now.

> > > > > > The only thing I do not know is by how much exactly he changed what

he

> > > > > > hijacked and how badly it deviates from Parasara in areas where

> > > > Parasara is

> > > > > > clear.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sanjay ji has some good knowledge from parampara, but, having seen

him

> > > > > > closely, I am afraid he got addicted to the adulation he received

from

> > > > the

> > > > > > community for those secrets. After he ran out of genuine parampara

> > > > secrets,

> > > > > > I am afraid he started *manufacturing* " parampara secrets "

> > > > irresponsibly. If

> > > > > > a good researcher disguised his researches as parampara secrets, it

> > > > would've

> > > > > > been less disastrous. But, unfortunately, Sanjay ji is the worst

> > > > researcher

> > > > > > I have seen. He has a highly intuitive mind that can think of so

many

> > > > things

> > > > > > and connect them in all kinds of ways. Unfortunately, he jumps to

> > > > serious

> > > > > > conclusions at the drop of a hat, without any logic or practical

> > > > testing.

> > > > > > Even in practical testing, he uses such highly flexible and vague

logic

> > > > that

> > > > > > he can justify any result with any astrological factor.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Somebody who would be really really good at coming up with *ideas*

for

> > > > > > research is unfortunately presenting those raw ideas by sometimes

> > > > explicitly

> > > > > > and sometimes implicitly representing them as the wisdom of a

glorious

> > > > > > parampara. I've seen this closely for a long time. Sanjay ji

> > > > revolutionized

> > > > > > Jyotish when he came, but he has been corrupting the subject badly

for

> > > > > > several years now.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I meant to say the above in such blunt words for a long time now,

but I

> > > > > > could not and I kept beating around the bush. Until the day I could

not

> > > > say

> > > > > > it without even a little anger or frustration in my heart, I did not

> > > > want to

> > > > > > use such blunt language. Thanks to the grace of my spiritual master,

I

> > > > am

> > > > > > today able to say the above without a trace of frustration or anger

in

> > > > my

> > > > > > heart and in the same way I may state routine observations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even in other options, maybe they need to be separated clearly so

as

> > > > to

> > > > > > avoid confusions for novices like me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > Partha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > JHora has hundreds of options because we are unsure of so many

things.

> > > > We

> > > > > > are groping in the dark. Of course, some people may be glorifying

and

> > > > even

> > > > > > *selling* that darkness, but that means nothing to me. As a

reasonably

> > > > > > intelligent and conscientious pursuer of Truth, I do know the

> > > > difference

> > > > > > between light and darkness. I do know the light we have in the room

is

> > > > > > slowly growing, but I also know that it is still relatively dark.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Astrologers are used to seeing any shapes they want in clouds. What

we

> > > > need

> > > > > > is quantifiable, measurable and objective rules and methods and

> > > > impassioned

> > > > > > search for truth by people who do not have a conflict of interest.

My

> > > > > > personal belief is that we will make great progress over the next

> > > > decade and

> > > > > > there will be more light in the field of Jyotish.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The seed was sown by Dr B.V. Raman, who wrote many books on

astrology

> > > > in

> > > > > > English and brought the subject to mainstream intelligentsia. Sri

K.N.

> > > > Rao

> > > > > > did yeoman service by taking a stand on ayanamsa and bringing the

focus

> > > > to

> > > > > > divisional charts etc and the seed became a plant. Pt Sanjay Rath

took

> > > > the

> > > > > > focus back to the works of maharshis like Parasara and Jaimini and

> > > > brought

> > > > > > several restricted parameters into the mainstream. However, as the

> > > > plant

> > > > > > grew big, a lot of large weeds came up around the plant.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The hundreds of options in JHora are partly reflective of the weeds

we

> > > > > > have. We need to remove weeds and let the plant grow nicely into a

> > > > tree.

> > > > > > However, it has to be done carefully. It will be a shame if the

actual

> > > > plant

> > > > > > is hurt instead of the weeds. JHora and our understanding of the

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > > of rishis will continue to evolve for some more years.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Srivastava,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > To the best of my knowledge, He did not teach as you quote/

assume.

> > > > Page

> > > > > > 11 OF

> > > > > > > his PDF of London/Serbia says dasa sequence same as Parasar has

> > > > > > mentioned.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In fact Rsi Parasar has quoted " dasa sequence " , deha and jeeva

for

> > > > all

> > > > > > savya

> > > > > > > and apsayva nakshatra.So this type of error is unlikely by any

> > > > > > scholar.BTW

> > > > > > > how you could get this information that he taught this sequence

for

> > > > > > jyeshta

> > > > > > > 4 th pada ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please scroll down to the end of this mail. Sanjay ji's original

mail

> > > > is

> > > > > > enclosed. He wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " I have checked Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all

others.

> > > > > > <deleted> The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-.... "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For Jyeshtha 4th pada, JHora gives Sg, Sc, Li, ..., Ta, Ar just as

> > > > taught

> > > > > > by Parasara and yet Sanjay ji faulted JHora and mentioned something

> > > > else

> > > > > > ( " Pi-Ar-... " ) as the " correct order " . So I am assuming that there

is

> > > > no

> > > > > > typo here and that he is consciously teaching knowledge that

violates

> > > > > > Parasara.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

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> > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom

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> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The jyotish community will have an option to try his teachings

with

> > > > > > free SW.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If Pt Rath took Pi-Ar as the sequence for Jyeshtha 4, his

teachings

> > > > are

> > > > > > WRONG. Period. Parasara is very clear that it should be Sg, Sc, Li,

....

> > > > for

> > > > > > Jyeshtha 4th pada.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The challenge in KCD research is to figure out the details

Parasara

> > > > left

> > > > > > ambiguous. It is not to alter what Parasara laid out clearly. We

have

> > > > enough

> > > > > > confusions and there is no need to ADD NEWER CONFUSIONS.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I asked Pt Rath in Nov-Dec 2009 if what he taught at BAVA was

> > > > different

> > > > > > from what was given in our joint paper presented at SJC conference.

He

> > > > did

> > > > > > not respond. I also said I could consider adding his new method to

> > > > JHora if

> > > > > > he (or someone else) could send me the definition in written form.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > BTW, I could not locate the CD on BAVA website, even if I were

> > > > willing to

> > > > > > buy the CD and listen.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The whole idea of nakshatra pada iteration was discovered by me

from

> > > > an

> > > > > > old Telugu language book and shared with Sanjay ji when he visited

my

> > > > house

> > > > > > in 2004. Parasara defined the dasa cycles for each nakshatra pada

> > > > > > unambiguously, but the matter of antardasas is murky.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The problem with existing KCD antardasa schemes is that they

result

> > > > in

> > > > > > dasa-antardasa combinations or antardasa leaps not sanctioned by

Lord

> > > > Shiva,

> > > > > > who taught to Parvati the results of each possible dasa-antardasa

pair

> > > > in

> > > > > > savya and apasavya chakras!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For example, dasa cycle of Aswini 2nd pada is " Cp, Aq, Pi, Sc, Li,

> > > > Vi,

> > > > > > Cn, Le, Ge " . If one takes antardasas in Li dasa in this cycle to be

> > > > " Li, Vi,

> > > > > > Cn, Le, Ge, [wrapping back] Cp, Aq, Pi, Sc " , then we have a leap

> > > > (Ge->Cp)

> > > > > > not mentioned by Shiva or Parasara. What some people do to avoid it

is

> > > > to

> > > > > > NOT wrap back but move forward to the next dasa cycle corresponding

to

> > > > > > Aswini 3rd pada. So antardasas in Li dasa above will be " Li, Vi, Cn,

> > > > Le, Ge,

> > > > > > [moving ahead to the next dasa cycle of Aswini 3rd pada] Ta, Ar, Pi,

> > > > Aq " .

> > > > > > This ensures that there are no unsanctioned leaps, but this

introduces

> > > > > > mahadasa-antardasa pairs not covered by Shiva. It is also wrong.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The idea I had after studying the detailed conversation between

Shiva

> > > > and

> > > > > > Parvati reproduced in that Telugu book (conversation was in Sanskrit

> > > > verses)

> > > > > > was that antardasas are not obtained by shifting within the dasa

cycle

> > > > as

> > > > > > people do and either wrap back to the beginning or skip to the next

> > > > cycle,

> > > > > > but by treating the dasa sign as a nakshatra pada and finding

> > > > antardasas

> > > > > > from the dasa cycle associated with that nakshatra pada! As you go

one

> > > > level

> > > > > > down after another, you keep iterating like that. It is a simple and

> > > > yet

> > > > > > elegant idea, which ensures that there are no leaps or

dasa-antardasa

> > > > pairs

> > > > > > that are not mentioned by Shiva. It also shows the logical structure

> > > > behind

> > > > > > the dasa cycles associated with nakshatra padas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sanjay ji was excited when I presented the idea to him and he

> > > > exclaimed

> > > > > > that I had cracked it (he tends to jump to big conclusions very

> > > > quickly). He

> > > > > > asked me to write a paper in our combined names for the upcoming SJC

> > > > > > conference in India. I told him that I still needed to figure out

the

> > > > > > apasavya nakshatra case, which was more tricky, but he did not want

to

> > > > wait.

> > > > > > I hastily figured out apasavya nakshatra case also and sent him a

> > > > paper, but

> > > > > > it seems like he changed things later.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Whatever I was doing was within the framework of cycles defined by

> > > > > > Parasara. I deciphered the structure in it and defined antardasas so

> > > > that

> > > > > > they are based on the same structure and do not use leaps or

> > > > dasa-antardasa

> > > > > > pairs not mentioned by Shiva. I did NOT change any dasa sequences

given

> > > > by

> > > > > > Parasara.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On the other hand, Pt Rath seems to have missed the point that

dasa

> > > > > > sequences are non-negotiable and only antardasa orders are to be

> > > > deduced.

> > > > > > You can NOT go against Parasara's clear teachings and hope to be

> > > > correct!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am very sorry to see that he took my idea, corrupted it to turn

it

> > > > > > against Parasara's teachings and ran with it and that some people

want

> > > > to

> > > > > > invest their time on those wrong teachings.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But, as a free software programmer, I am willing to ADD his option

to

> > > > > > JHora (the current " Rao & Rath " method is based on our joint paper

and

> > > > has

> > > > > > no errors. Any other method will have to be added newly). But I need

to

> > > > see

> > > > > > exactly what he taught.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > > > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

> > > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom

> > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ---- R C Srivastava <swami.rcs (AT) gmail (DOT) com <swami.

> > > > rcs%40gmail.

> > > > > > com> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Narsimha ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Divine has always blessed you to do wonderful service.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are aware of KCD Lecture at London from the mail .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In case you have Time and inclination to offer calculation as

Per

> > > > these

> > > > > > teachings to be a part of Jhora: CD on KCD are available From Bava.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > BTW PDF teachings in this CD are dedicated to your good self by

> > > > Guruji.

> > > > > > In case you offer his methodology The jyotish community will have

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > an option to try his teachings with free SW.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With regards.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RCS

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > jhora <jhora% <jhora%25>

<jhora%25>

> > > > 40.

> > > > > > com> [jhora <jhora%

<jhora%25><jhora%25>40. com> ] On Behalf Of Narasimha PVR Rao

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:38 AM

> > > > > > > > jhora <jhora% <jhora%25> <jhora%25>

> > > > 40.

> > > >

> > > > > > com> ; JyotishWritings <

> > > > JyotishWritings%40grou <JyotishWritings%2540grou>

> > > > > > ps.com> ; vedic astrology <vedic-

astrology%

> > > > > > 40. com> ; <

> > > > %40 <%2540>. com>

> > > > > > > > Re: Kalachakra Dasa Calculation in JHora

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > KCD calculation in JHora was broken earlier, but I fixed it in a

> > > > > > previous release. But Pt Sanjay Rath complained (see below) that it

was

> > > > > > still wrong.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am preparing a JHora 7.4 release now. I wanted to fix Pt

Rath's

> > > > > > complaint and checked things. I discovered that JHora 7.33 is fine.

If

> > > > you

> > > > > > select the " Rao & Rath " method of KCD with JHora 7.33, the

calculations

> > > > > > given by JHora match what was given in our combined paper.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For Jyeshtha 4th quarter, JHora 7.33 is giving Sg, Sc, Li, Vi,

Le,

> > > > Cn,

> > > > > > Ge, Ta and Ar. That is indeed what the paper gave. That also matches

> > > > what

> > > > > > Parasara taught in BPHS (chapter 46 verses 77-81).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am not sure why Pt Rath thinks that the sequence should be

> > > > > > " Pi-Ar-.... " for Jyeshtha 4th pada. That is clearly inconsistent

with

> > > > > > Parasara's teachings as well as *our own* combined paper.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In case Pt Rath changed the sequences given in our combined

paper

> > > > at

> > > > > > the last minute (I was not there at the conference and he presented

our

> > > > > > combined paper alone), I have to point out that it is inconsistent

with

> > > > > > Parasara's teachings.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In both the nakshatra pada iteration method as well as other

> > > > methods,

> > > > > > please select " Rohini 4th pada is Leo navamsa " (instead of " Rohini

4th

> > > > pada

> > > > > > is Cancer navamsa " ) in Kalachakra dasa options if you want to match

the

> > > > dasa

> > > > > > cycles taught by Parasara.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With that setting, all Kalachakra dasa methods supported in

JHora

> > > > match

> > > > > > the dasa cycles listed by Parasara for various nakshatra padas,

except

> > > > of

> > > > > > course the Raghavacharya method.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dasa cycles of different nakshatra padas are the same between

> > > > various

> > > > > > methods and the difference between various methods is essentially in

> > > > how

> > > > > > dasa sesham is applied and how antardasas are found. Raghavacharya

> > > > method is

> > > > > > the only one that is philosophically different in the matter of dasa

> > > > cycles

> > > > > > itself.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Raghavacharya method given in JHora takes dasas by taking nine

> > > > navamsas

> > > > > > starting from the navamsa occupied by Moon (or whatever reference is

> > > > > > chosen). It uses the nine-sign-sequences mapped by Parasara to

various

> > > > > > nakshatra padas to actually find the *antardasa cycles* within

various

> > > > > > dasas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > All other methods given in JHora map nakshatra padas to the

fixed

> > > > > > sequences listed by Parasara.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bottomline: There are no errors in JHora's KCD computation.

Please

> > > > note

> > > > > > the setting mentioned above.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri

Tarpana:

> > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

> > > > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom

> > > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri

tings

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%

<sohamsa%25><sohamsa%25>40. com> <

> > > > > > sohamsa% <sohamsa%25> 40. com> , " Sanjay Rath "

<sanjayrath@>

> > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and

> > > > found to

> > > > > > my amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation

> > > > given

> > > > > > in Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are

WRONG.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and

> > > > don't

> > > > > > ask me questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I

have

> > > > > > checked Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get

> > > > your

> > > > > > copy from www.vedicsoftware. com

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if

we

> > > > use

> > > > > > full cycle iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we

get

> > > > > > Cn-Vi....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra

> > > > paper/slides I

> > > > > > used in London

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > PS. I think I am going to hold

> >

>

March 7, 2010

Dear Vijaya Das ji,

I dont think, PVNR has said anywhere that he has separated from Sanjay. What he

has said is only that he has some honest differences.

regards,

Manoj

________________________________

Vijayadas <vijayadas_pradeep

Fri, March 5, 2010 11:15:08 PM

Re: Too many options in JHora - Observations 3/Request

to Unite

Â

Dear Shri Narasimha

7. Shri Rath's Wisdom is necessary along with your ablities to succeed in the

field of astrology and for more positive contributions. Honest Criticism is

received when we deviate from the path of Truth.It is human to err.

8. As in economies of scale, our collective effort(though we travel and perceive

ourselves as seperate) and collective WHOLE feeling is what that makes our path

easy towards reality/destination . You have your strengths.Similarly there are

others, who may perceive aspects that you may not.

9. My humble request to you and Shri Sanjay Rath would be to shed all

differences, (while continuing to engage in positive debates), and embrace each

other.

Let Lord bless all of us.

If my words were harsh kindly forgive.

Thanks

Pradeep

, " Vijayadas " <vijayadas_pradeep@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Narasimha

>

> It is good to see your latest emails. If you have fully identified yourself

with the good words you have spoken about shri

>

> Snjay Rath, then let GOD bless you.

>

> I have been planning to write this since couple of days, but couldn't. However

you have come up with such an email.

>

> You are matured enough and experienced and do not need my words. As a younger

brother my suggestion would be - Irrespective

>

> of what others are writing, you may not write harsh words about Shri Sanjay

Rath nor support what other's are writing. One

>

> can always debate on astrological understandings with anybody including Guru ,

but in a healthy way. I will write more

>

> towards the end of this email.

>

> 1. Your understanding of KCD - the dasha pattern , ie always following the

order of planetary lordship starting with Mars, Venus etc in an anuloma and

Pratiloma fashion, shifting between Mesha amsha and Vrischika amsha, for

nakshathra padas based on savya-apasavya is indeed logical.Only shift being

Cancer /Leo based on the beginning order,for which as well you have given

logical explanation.

>

> 2. I happened to read the research article written by Shri Ramanarayanan on

KCD in 2004 or so , and i beleive it brilliantly

>

> explains the philosophical as well as astrological logic underlying the KCD

and various jumps like Simhavalokan etc, with

>

> reference to various temples.A highly divine write up based on old Tanjore

manuscripts.

>

> 3. One question which i may have regarding antar dasha calculation is - when

you had got this idea/knowledge from a book

>

> published in 1930 and when you knew the author of the book - why did you plan

to publish this method as '' Rath and Rao''

>

> method ?. At the same time i can see that you always use a ''copyright' ' for