Fwd (Hinducalendar) Any chance of tests

March 7, 2010

HinduCalendar , " Krishen " <jyotirved wrote:

Re: Any chance of Tests

Shri Devi Singhji,

Jai Shri Ram!

<I want to say that using Math calculations and having required data

something can be said which comes true.....>

1. What do you mean by " Math calculations " ?

2. What do you mean by " required data " ?

3. What do you mean by " something " ? What is the ratio of that

" something " to the " whole thing " ?

4. What do you mean by " prediction " ?

<If you want i can give some examples which can tells after 'n' number

of days what would be Quantity/work/pressure/Torque/Dilution........any

many more which is practically true for prediction after taking required

data and using respective calculation methods.......>

1. How relevant/apploicable are these examples of " Torque and pressure

and Dilution " etc. " data " to birth charts, which are " delineated " on the

basis of twelve imaginary equal divisioins known as Mesha etc. rashis,

which in themselves are fragments of a still more imaginary circle known

as ecliptic? And these imaginary " twelve divisions " are supposed to have

further subdivsions like navamsha and dwadashmasha so much so that even

a shashtyamsha is supposed to be relevant and of immense value in giving

" correct predictions " ?

Further more, these imaginary twelve divisions are supposed to be ruled

and even populated by inanimate wandering bodies like Mangal, Shani etc.

and even the mathematical points like Rahu and Kethu, which are supposed

to be most " effective " via Kalasarpa-dosha and so on?

Then again, these inanimate " grahas " are supposed to make or mar a

" jataka's " life through intangible dasha bhuktis which no " Maths wizard "

is sure as to whether it should be Vimshotari or Ashtottari or Yogini or

Kalachakra and so on or whether it should be all of them put together!

Is that the " Maths calculation " you are talking about?

If " Maths calculations " can " predict " everything correctly, why have the

jyotishis, instead of being highly computer suavey and software experts

and even mathemtaical wizards like you not been able to " predict " at

least the most accurate Ayanamsha, if there exists any, in spite of

having raked their brains for the last couple of thousand years?

Last but not the least, do you mean to say that Bhagwan Krishna, in

spite of being Omnipresent, Omnipotent and Omniscient, did not know as

much " Math calculatoins " as you and that is why He did not tell Arjuna

before hand whether the Kauruavas or Pandavas would win the war?

Jai Shri Ram!

A K Kaul

HinduCalendar , devisigh <devisingh.rajput

wrote:

Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: Any chance of Tests

Dear Krishen JI,

I want to say that using Math calculations and having required data

something can be said which comes true.....

If you want i can give some examples which can tells after 'n' number of

days what would be Quantity/work/pressure/Torque/Dilution........any

many more which is practically true for prediction after taking required

data and using respective calculation methods.......

one can not say 'No Prediction can be possible'

I am not saying anything for such gimmicks and prediction.....it is more

Scientific way to look prediction....

let me know where you differ...if you agree upto this then i will

continue more ....

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Regards,

Devisingh

Krishen wrote:

Shri Devi Singhji,

Jai Shri Ram!

I am unable to understand what you want to convey.

<--prediction not gimmicks!!!!!>

Is this part a separate sentence or is it a part of the above sentence.

Jai Shri Ram!

A K Kaul

HinduCalendar

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wrote:

>

> Dear Krishen JI,

>

> I appologies due to delay in responce caused in between due to Holi

and

> other reasons.

>

> //In other words, every mathematician should know when he or she will

die!//

> --no,not that

>

> //BTW, you " appear " to be a mathematician yourself and as such//

> --i do not want to comment .... " appear " ....does not matter....take

time

> before prediction

>

> //should know what is going to happen tomorrow!//

> --Jim micks i never passed anything such...

>

> Let me know where you want from me to say Math can not predict.....

>

> --prediction not gimmicks!!!!!

> -----------------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> a_krishen wrote:

> >

> > Shri Devi Singhji,

> >

> > Jai ShriRam!

> >

> > <And yes...Krishna/Buddha nobody nows math that they told in their

> > dialog...........buddha says i do not know how to accomplish work

which

> > a simple man can do...>

> >

> > In other words, every mathematician should know when he or she will

die!

> > Nay, they must even know as to when their teachers/students etc.

etc.

> > also will die!

> >

> > BTW, you " appear " to be a mathematician yourself and as such, should

> > know what is going to happen tomorrow!

> >

> > Sharad Pawar said he did not know as to when edibles will become

> > cheaper, since he was not a jyotishi, but maybe you can tell us as

to

> > when edible items will become within the budget of a common man like

me!

> >

> > Jai Shri Ram!

> >

> > AKK

> >

> > HinduCalendar

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ar%40>, devisigh devisingh.rajput@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Krishen JI,

> > >

> > > Using Math one can predict...he need to do some

calculations....that

> > is

> > > one dimension...that has other dimension as well....(i have not

said

> > > anything for gimmick)

> > > Anyone can not deny prediction...predictions are always there....

> > > everything is predicted in life too....

> > >

> > > when one become free from math or transcendence.....no prediction

can

> > be

> > > applied to him and then he become Krushna....

> > >

> > > Since you raised dialog of arjuna and krushna.....krushna

suggested

> > what

> > > next required for arjuna to get journey start at next level....

> > > And yes...Krishna/Buddha nobody nows math that they told in their

> > > dialog...........buddha says i do not know how to accomplish work

> > which

> > > a simple man can do...

> > >

> > > ------------------

> > > Regards,

March 9, 2010

HinduCalendar , " Krishen " <jyotirved wrote:

Re: Any chance of Tests

Shri Devi Singhji,

Jai Shri Ram!

<Any way my point was that Prediction can not be denied....what we see i

real life that Using Math one can predict.....This is what i mean by

predictions.....It is worth to say more if you have doubt here......here

let me know you agree that Math can be used to predict....I definately

do not mean here for Jyotish predictions...hope you take this as pure

scientific predictions......One must be open that Prediction can be

possible>

The two programs viz. Mahesh.exe and Vasishtha.exe are examples of

" using Math to make predictions " . Mahesh program gives the luni solar

data, apart for Rahu/Kethu, tithi, nakshtra, Obliquity of the Ecliptic

etc. from 10000 BCE to 12030 AD. Vasishtha.exe " predicts " the position

of about sixty important stars from 10000 BCE to 12030 AD.

But then these are not " predictions " in the sense being used these days!

That is why I had asked as to why Bhagwan Krishna " did not " predict the

outcome of the Mahabharata war before hand which you replied that He did

not know Maths! The fact of the matter is that He was not interested in

predicting those things before hand. That itself should serve as an

example to the Hindu community as a whole that " those who can foresee

things before hand " do not predict them because that is against the

nature of Nature itself. Predicting eclipses or weather conditions is

enitrely different from predicting the outcome of human efforts. Let us

not confuse the two issues.

Last but not the least, phalita- jyotisha has been the greatest

hindrance in streamlining the Hindu calendar whereas " Maths

calculations " are the greatest asset in arriveing at the correct moments

of tithi, eclipses, solar ingress into Madhu, Madhava etc. months and so

on. It is only through " Maths calculations " that we want to arrive at

some conclusion about the nakshtras used in the Vedas and Hindu

astronomers like Bhaskara and Brahmagupta etc.

Jai Shri Ram!

A K Kaul

HinduCalendar , devisigh <devisingh.rajput

wrote:

>

Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: Any chance of Tests

Dear Krishen JI,

//Is that the " Maths calculation " you are talking about?//

No that is not my point....i never said anything related to such

predictions.......You might surprise that all are of no use Ayanmsa and

all.....rather they are Simply Tools used for predictions.....Let's not

bring Jyotish....forgot that as useless system for now

Any way my point was that Prediction can not be denied....what we see i

real life that Using Math one can predict.....This is what i mean by

predictions.....It is worth to say more if you have doubt here......here

let me know you agree that Math can be used to predict....I definately

do not mean here for Jyotish predictions...hope you take this as pure

scientific predictions......One must be open that Prediction can be

possible

--hope i am clear upto this point