Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Namaste friends, > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka? > > 8 Char Karaka works for me, for many it is 7 char karaka. So, it is upto you to decide. People seem to think that there are only two options - taking 8 chara karakas in all charts and taking 7 chara karakas in all charts. However, Parasara clearly taught that 7 chara karakas apply in SOME charts and 8 chara karakas in others. He even gave the astrological criteria to apply to the horoscope in order to decide which scheme to use. Thus, neither the 7 chara karaka camp nor the 8 chara karaka camp is correct. Both camps violate Parasara. * * * Please go to http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles and read the article titled: " Parasara's Chara Karakas " . This defines chara karakas as taught by Parasara (and understood by me). It also defines a dasa system known as Karaka dasa (taught by Parasara) and illustrate how it works using 16 clear examples. Another article titled " Parasara's Atma Karaka Kendradi Graha Dasa " defines a dasa system based on AK and illustrates it using 13 clear examples. * * * JHora 7.33 supports this system of taking 7 or 8 chara karakas based on the horoscope. In JHora 7.33, select " Preferences " , " Related to calculations " and " Chara karaka scheme (7 or 8) " . In the selection combobox, select the 4th option " Mixed 7/8 chara karakas of Parasara " . It then takes 7 chara karakas in some charts and 8 in others, based on Parasara's criteria. Best regards, Narasimha - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Spirituality: Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings - vedic astrology , " partha " <partvinu wrote: > > Dear Arun > > Pointwise answers to your questions, please read it, dont reply to me, as i dont see mails too often these days. > > 1) Mandooka dasha of pt.Rath or mandooka dasha of k.n.Rao, which one to trust? > > Trust what you feel is working for you. Trust the truth, not the individual. > > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka? > > 8 Char Karaka works for me, for many it is 7 char karaka. So, it is upto you to decide. > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few days > > Ans) Karakamsa to be seen in navamsa, but i am not an authority. You can study and publish your findings. > > 4) One should consider vimshottari dasha both from lagana nakshatra or moon naksharta based on the criteria mentioned by pt.Rath or it's always seen from moon nakshatra. > > ans) Same as above. > > 5) Where to apply moola dasha, in shastiamsa or in birth chart. > > Shastyamsa chart, and also Rasi Chart. > > 6) Authenticity of concept of marana karaka sthana. > > ans) Authenticity? :-)) > > 7) Can we extend narayana dasah, or char dasha in divisional charts too? > > Ans) Narayan dasa is calculated separately for each divisional chart. > > 8) In tithi pravesha, should we use tithi ashtottari dasa or compressed vimshottari dasha. Did compressed vimshottari works fine? > > Ans) Tithi ashtottari is the recommended one. BUt you can try others as well. > > Light doesnot come so easily. Everyone is in the same tunnel. > > Regards > Partha > > Dear VinayJi, NarashimaJi Namaste, > > > > > > There is darkness everywhere with no hope of light. > > > > > > Also share your judgment regarding the following:- > > > > > > 1) Mandooka dasha of pt.Rath or mandooka dasha of k.n.Rao, which one to > trust? > > > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka? > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few days > back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that she is against pt.Rath > views) > > > 4) One should consider vimshottari dasha both from lagana nakshatra or moon > naksharta based on the criteria mentioned by pt.Rath or it's always seen from > moon nakshatra. > > > 5) Where to apply moola dasha, in shastiamsa or in birth chart. > > > 6) Authenticity of concept of marana karaka sthana. > > > 7) Can we extend narayana dasah, or char dasha in divisional charts too? > > > 8) In tithi pravesha, should we use tithi ashtottari dasa or compressed > vimshottari dasha. Did compressed vimshottari works fine? > > > > > > Confusion is sky high; don't know what we learners of jyotish do. > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > Arun. > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@> wrote: > > > > Dear VinayJi Namaste, > > > > Hope NarashimaJi, could add one more Ayanamsha in JHora, but till then please share the offset value, which you are using. Is this offset is to be applied to Lahari Ayanamsha or some other Ayanamsha? > > > > Is it just a coincidence that when every one is fighting about 7 or 8 char karaka, you come and say, lahari ayanamsha is incorrect. So what might seem to be atma karaka might become dara karaka or amtya Karak. > > > > Sri k.n.rao, has ended the ayanamsha war by accepting lahari ayanamsha to be correct. I don't know where it is good to start it again but it is worth investing time on your new ayanamsha predictive value as you have quite accurately predicted rainfall by using it. > > > > Regarding the question I asked, vinayJi it's important for all of us to take a stand. It's important to clearly state points of disagreement. > > > > For char karaka parashara says, there are 7 char karaka, but some consider 8 char karaka. > > > > For karakamsa he says, it is the navamsha occupied by atmakaraka. Nothing else. > > > > For vimshottari dasha he says that it is calculated from moon nakshatra, but didn't talk about other possibilities. > > > > He didn't talk about moola dasha, but it is the most powerful dasha known today, much more powerful then vimshottari. Kalayan verma has always used this dasha instead of vimshottari. > > > > Neither he talk about extension of char dasha or narayana dasha in divisional charts. > > > > Tithi pravesh, is not mentioned in his work. > > > > He considers mandooka dasha, kaalchakra dasha and many more dasha as not being appropriate. I don't know much about kaalchakra dasha, but mandooka dasha is just magical. > > > > Sage parashara was very brief. He left us, on our own to decide many things. I have spent days and days to find these answers. Probably that's why I am here, to find answer to my questions. > > > > Yes, Rashi sandhi, this is the invention of sanjayJi with unclear background from which I disagree… but it no way reduces the importance of good things which he has given to jyotish. > > > > And RohiniJi, oops…Now I know, sorry for mistake > > > > vinayJi, please share the offset value. > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > Regards, > > Arun. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > Arun Ji, > > > > > > Rohini Ji is 'he' and not 'she'. His name is Rohiniranjan which means 'One who pleases Rohini'. > > > > > > The confusions you mention are merely tips of the iceberg. Whenever such confusions surface, try to find out what the rishis advised. Most of your questions are answered in BPHS. Please try to understand it yourself ; as long as you will try to find out readymade answers, you will not perform Rishi-yajna which is indespensable for understanding the true meanings of what rishis said. > > > > > > Unless and until confusions in Ganita are cleared, confusions in Phalita will continue to increase due to endeavours of moderners to change the rules of Phalita to suit physical astronomy. Most of software makers do not even provide the option of traditional Ganita because they think traditional Ganita was wrong, forgetting that it served Jyotisha for millenia. The very definition of Ayanamsha has been drastically changed by Colebrooke who had no interest or faith in astrology. > > > > > > It is neither my mission nor in my powers to remove all these confusions. Jyotisha cannot be learnt like modern disciplines. It needs Tapasyaa, Brahmacharya, etc, which are outside modern curricula. > > > > > > -VJ > > > ====================== ========= > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear VinayJi, NarashimaJi Namaste, > > > > > > > > There is darkness everywhere with no hope of light. > > > > > > > > Also share your judgment regarding the following:- > > > > > > > > 1) Mandooka dasha of pt.Rath or mandooka dasha of k.n.Rao, which one to trust? > > > > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka? > > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few days back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that she is against pt.Rath views) > > > > 4) One should consider vimshottari dasha both from lagana nakshatra or moon naksharta based on the criteria mentioned by pt.Rath or it's always seen from moon nakshatra. > > > > 5) Where to apply moola dasha, in shastiamsa or in birth chart. > > > > 6) Authenticity of concept of marana karaka sthana. > > > > 7) Can we extend narayana dasah, or char dasha in divisional charts too? > > > > 8) In tithi pravesha, should we use tithi ashtottari dasa or compressed vimshottari dasha. Did compressed vimshottari works fine? > > > > > > > > Confusion is sky high; don't know what we learners of jyotish do. > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > Arun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > > > > > The following webpage contains a brief description of Kaala-chakra > > > > > Dashaa's Scheme and Sub-periods, which some modern astrologers are > > > > > interpreting according to novel ideas contrary to the original plan of > > > > > Sage Parashara : > > > > > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa > > > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Dear ParthaJi, Thanks for the reply. Hare Rama Krishna, Regards, Arun. vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Namaste friends, > > > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka? > > > > 8 Char Karaka works for me, for many it is 7 char karaka. So, it is upto you to decide. > > People seem to think that there are only two options - taking 8 chara karakas in all charts and taking 7 chara karakas in all charts. > > However, Parasara clearly taught that 7 chara karakas apply in SOME charts and 8 chara karakas in others. He even gave the astrological criteria to apply to the horoscope in order to decide which scheme to use. Thus, neither the 7 chara karaka camp nor the 8 chara karaka camp is correct. Both camps violate Parasara. > > * * * > > Please go to > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles > > and read the article titled: " Parasara's Chara Karakas " . This defines chara karakas as taught by Parasara (and understood by me). It also defines a dasa system known as Karaka dasa (taught by Parasara) and illustrate how it works using 16 clear examples. Another article titled " Parasara's Atma Karaka Kendradi Graha Dasa " defines a dasa system based on AK and illustrates it using 13 clear examples. > > * * * > > JHora 7.33 supports this system of taking 7 or 8 chara karakas based on the horoscope. In JHora 7.33, select " Preferences " , " Related to calculations " and " Chara karaka scheme (7 or 8) " . In the selection combobox, select the 4th option " Mixed 7/8 chara karakas of Parasara " . It then takes 7 chara karakas in some charts and 8 in others, based on Parasara's criteria. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > - > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > Spirituality: > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > - > > vedic astrology , " partha " <partvinu@> wrote: > > > > Dear Arun > > > > Pointwise answers to your questions, please read it, dont reply to me, as i dont see mails too often these days. > > > > 1) Mandooka dasha of pt.Rath or mandooka dasha of k.n.Rao, which one to trust? > > > > Trust what you feel is working for you. Trust the truth, not the individual. > > > > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka? > > > > 8 Char Karaka works for me, for many it is 7 char karaka. So, it is upto you to decide. > > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few days > > > > Ans) Karakamsa to be seen in navamsa, but i am not an authority. You can study and publish your findings. > > > > 4) One should consider vimshottari dasha both from lagana nakshatra or moon naksharta based on the criteria mentioned by pt.Rath or it's always seen from moon nakshatra. > > > > ans) Same as above. > > > > 5) Where to apply moola dasha, in shastiamsa or in birth chart. > > > > Shastyamsa chart, and also Rasi Chart. > > > > 6) Authenticity of concept of marana karaka sthana. > > > > ans) Authenticity? :-)) > > > > 7) Can we extend narayana dasah, or char dasha in divisional charts too? > > > > Ans) Narayan dasa is calculated separately for each divisional chart. > > > > 8) In tithi pravesha, should we use tithi ashtottari dasa or compressed vimshottari dasha. Did compressed vimshottari works fine? > > > > Ans) Tithi ashtottari is the recommended one. BUt you can try others as well. > > > > Light doesnot come so easily. Everyone is in the same tunnel. > > > > Regards > > Partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear VinayJi, NarashimaJi Namaste, > > > > > > > > There is darkness everywhere with no hope of light. > > > > > > > > Also share your judgment regarding the following:- > > > > > > > > 1) Mandooka dasha of pt.Rath or mandooka dasha of k.n.Rao, which one to > > trust? > > > > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka? > > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few days > > back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that she is against pt.Rath > > views) > > > > 4) One should consider vimshottari dasha both from lagana nakshatra or moon > > naksharta based on the criteria mentioned by pt.Rath or it's always seen from > > moon nakshatra. > > > > 5) Where to apply moola dasha, in shastiamsa or in birth chart. > > > > 6) Authenticity of concept of marana karaka sthana. > > > > 7) Can we extend narayana dasah, or char dasha in divisional charts too? > > > > 8) In tithi pravesha, should we use tithi ashtottari dasa or compressed > > vimshottari dasha. Did compressed vimshottari works fine? > > > > > > > > Confusion is sky high; don't know what we learners of jyotish do. > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > Arun. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear VinayJi Namaste, > > > > > > Hope NarashimaJi, could add one more Ayanamsha in JHora, but till then please share the offset value, which you are using. Is this offset is to be applied to Lahari Ayanamsha or some other Ayanamsha? > > > > > > Is it just a coincidence that when every one is fighting about 7 or 8 char karaka, you come and say, lahari ayanamsha is incorrect. So what might seem to be atma karaka might become dara karaka or amtya Karak. > > > > > > Sri k.n.rao, has ended the ayanamsha war by accepting lahari ayanamsha to be correct. I don't know where it is good to start it again but it is worth investing time on your new ayanamsha predictive value as you have quite accurately predicted rainfall by using it. > > > > > > Regarding the question I asked, vinayJi it's important for all of us to take a stand. It's important to clearly state points of disagreement. > > > > > > For char karaka parashara says, there are 7 char karaka, but some consider 8 char karaka. > > > > > > For karakamsa he says, it is the navamsha occupied by atmakaraka. Nothing else. > > > > > > For vimshottari dasha he says that it is calculated from moon nakshatra, but didn't talk about other possibilities. > > > > > > He didn't talk about moola dasha, but it is the most powerful dasha known today, much more powerful then vimshottari. Kalayan verma has always used this dasha instead of vimshottari. > > > > > > Neither he talk about extension of char dasha or narayana dasha in divisional charts. > > > > > > Tithi pravesh, is not mentioned in his work. > > > > > > He considers mandooka dasha, kaalchakra dasha and many more dasha as not being appropriate. I don't know much about kaalchakra dasha, but mandooka dasha is just magical. > > > > > > Sage parashara was very brief. He left us, on our own to decide many things. I have spent days and days to find these answers. Probably that's why I am here, to find answer to my questions. > > > > > > Yes, Rashi sandhi, this is the invention of sanjayJi with unclear background from which I disagree… but it no way reduces the importance of good things which he has given to jyotish. > > > > > > And RohiniJi, oops…Now I know, sorry for mistake > > > > > > vinayJi, please share the offset value. > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > > > Regards, > > > Arun. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Arun Ji, > > > > > > > > Rohini Ji is 'he' and not 'she'. His name is Rohiniranjan which means 'One who pleases Rohini'. > > > > > > > > The confusions you mention are merely tips of the iceberg. Whenever such confusions surface, try to find out what the rishis advised. Most of your questions are answered in BPHS. Please try to understand it yourself ; as long as you will try to find out readymade answers, you will not perform Rishi-yajna which is indespensable for understanding the true meanings of what rishis said. > > > > > > > > Unless and until confusions in Ganita are cleared, confusions in Phalita will continue to increase due to endeavours of moderners to change the rules of Phalita to suit physical astronomy. Most of software makers do not even provide the option of traditional Ganita because they think traditional Ganita was wrong, forgetting that it served Jyotisha for millenia. The very definition of Ayanamsha has been drastically changed by Colebrooke who had no interest or faith in astrology. > > > > > > > > It is neither my mission nor in my powers to remove all these confusions. Jyotisha cannot be learnt like modern disciplines. It needs Tapasyaa, Brahmacharya, etc, which are outside modern curricula. > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > ====================== ========= > > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear VinayJi, NarashimaJi Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > There is darkness everywhere with no hope of light. > > > > > > > > > > Also share your judgment regarding the following:- > > > > > > > > > > 1) Mandooka dasha of pt.Rath or mandooka dasha of k.n.Rao, which one to trust? > > > > > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka? > > > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few days back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that she is against pt.Rath views) > > > > > 4) One should consider vimshottari dasha both from lagana nakshatra or moon naksharta based on the criteria mentioned by pt.Rath or it's always seen from moon nakshatra. > > > > > 5) Where to apply moola dasha, in shastiamsa or in birth chart. > > > > > 6) Authenticity of concept of marana karaka sthana. > > > > > 7) Can we extend narayana dasah, or char dasha in divisional charts too? > > > > > 8) In tithi pravesha, should we use tithi ashtottari dasa or compressed vimshottari dasha. Did compressed vimshottari works fine? > > > > > > > > > > Confusion is sky high; don't know what we learners of jyotish do. > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > > Arun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > > > > > > > The following webpage contains a brief description of Kaala-chakra > > > > > > Dashaa's Scheme and Sub-periods, which some modern astrologers are > > > > > > interpreting according to novel ideas contrary to the original plan of > > > > > > Sage Parashara : > > > > > > > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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