Chara karakas - 7 or 8? -technical query to Narasimha-more

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Dear Narasimha

 

Just one more query addendum to previous one.

Did parasara explicitly say when two or (more) planets in same dgree?

 

If you look at my chart, AK and AMK are in the same degree.

BK and MK are in the same degree.

I am sure you must have come across charts where multiple karakas are in same

degrees. In such rare(edge) cases, do you mean to say that rahu resolves

disputes for all of them.

 

My chart

december 15, 1976, 8:30 AM, New Delhi.

 

regards

partha

 

 

vedic astrology , " partha " <partvinu wrote:

>

> Dear Narasimha

>

> This study of yours is interesting. However, i have only one doubt, what about

charts where many planets are in same degree?

> For example AK and AMK, BK and MK, or say four planets in AK's degree. You

have included rahu by looking at a situation where two planets are in the same

degree. Does Parasara Maharshi say anything about four planets in same degree?

>

> Regards

> Partha

>

>

> vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste friends,

> >

> > > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka?

> > >

> > > 8 Char Karaka works for me, for many it is 7 char karaka. So, it is upto

you to decide.

> >

> > People seem to think that there are only two options - taking 8 chara

karakas in all charts and taking 7 chara karakas in all charts.

> >

> > However, Parasara clearly taught that 7 chara karakas apply in SOME charts

and 8 chara karakas in others. He even gave the astrological criteria to apply

to the horoscope in order to decide which scheme to use. Thus, neither the 7

chara karaka camp nor the 8 chara karaka camp is correct. Both camps violate

Parasara.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Please go to

> >

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles

> >

> > and read the article titled: " Parasara's Chara Karakas " . This defines chara

karakas as taught by Parasara (and understood by me). It also defines a dasa

system known as Karaka dasa (taught by Parasara) and illustrate how it works

using 16 clear examples. Another article titled " Parasara's Atma Karaka Kendradi

Graha Dasa " defines a dasa system based on AK and illustrates it using 13 clear

examples.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > JHora 7.33 supports this system of taking 7 or 8 chara karakas based on the

horoscope. In JHora 7.33, select " Preferences " , " Related to calculations " and

" Chara karaka scheme (7 or 8) " . In the selection combobox, select the 4th option

" Mixed 7/8 chara karakas of Parasara " . It then takes 7 chara karakas in some

charts and 8 in others, based on Parasara's criteria.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -

> > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> > Spirituality:

> > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> > -

> >

> > vedic astrology , " partha " <partvinu@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Arun

> > >

> > > Pointwise answers to your questions, please read it, dont reply to me, as

i dont see mails too often these days.

> > >

> > > 1) Mandooka dasha of pt.Rath or mandooka dasha of k.n.Rao, which one to

trust?

> > >

> > > Trust what you feel is working for you. Trust the truth, not the

individual.

> > >

> > > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka?

> > >

> > > 8 Char Karaka works for me, for many it is 7 char karaka. So, it is upto

you to decide.

> > >

> > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few days

> > >

> > > Ans) Karakamsa to be seen in navamsa, but i am not an authority. You can

study and publish your findings.

> > >

> > > 4) One should consider vimshottari dasha both from lagana nakshatra or

moon naksharta based on the criteria mentioned by pt.Rath or it's always seen

from moon nakshatra.

> > >

> > > ans) Same as above.

> > >

> > > 5) Where to apply moola dasha, in shastiamsa or in birth chart.

> > >

> > > Shastyamsa chart, and also Rasi Chart.

> > >

> > > 6) Authenticity of concept of marana karaka sthana.

> > >

> > > ans) Authenticity? :-))

> > >

> > > 7) Can we extend narayana dasah, or char dasha in divisional charts too?

> > >

> > > Ans) Narayan dasa is calculated separately for each divisional chart.

> > >

> > > 8) In tithi pravesha, should we use tithi ashtottari dasa or compressed

vimshottari dasha. Did compressed vimshottari works fine?

> > >

> > > Ans) Tithi ashtottari is the recommended one. BUt you can try others as

well.

> > >

> > > Light doesnot come so easily. Everyone is in the same tunnel.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Partha

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > > Dear VinayJi, NarashimaJi Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > There is darkness everywhere with no hope of light.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also share your judgment regarding the following:-

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Mandooka dasha of pt.Rath or mandooka dasha of k.n.Rao, which one

to

> > > trust?

> > > > > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka?

> > > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few

days

> > > back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that she is against

pt.Rath

> > > views)

> > > > > 4) One should consider vimshottari dasha both from lagana nakshatra or

moon

> > > naksharta based on the criteria mentioned by pt.Rath or it's always seen

from

> > > moon nakshatra.

> > > > > 5) Where to apply moola dasha, in shastiamsa or in birth chart.

> > > > > 6) Authenticity of concept of marana karaka sthana.

> > > > > 7) Can we extend narayana dasah, or char dasha in divisional charts

too?

> > > > > 8) In tithi pravesha, should we use tithi ashtottari dasa or

compressed

> > > vimshottari dasha. Did compressed vimshottari works fine?

> > > > >

> > > > > Confusion is sky high; don't know what we learners of jyotish do.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > > Arun.

> > > > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear VinayJi Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > Hope NarashimaJi, could add one more Ayanamsha in JHora, but till then

please share the offset value, which you are using. Is this offset is to be

applied to Lahari Ayanamsha or some other Ayanamsha?

> > > >

> > > > Is it just a coincidence that when every one is fighting about 7 or 8

char karaka, you come and say, lahari ayanamsha is incorrect. So what might seem

to be atma karaka might become dara karaka or amtya Karak.

> > > >

> > > > Sri k.n.rao, has ended the ayanamsha war by accepting lahari ayanamsha

to be correct. I don't know where it is good to start it again but it is worth

investing time on your new ayanamsha predictive value as you have quite

accurately predicted rainfall by using it.

> > > >

> > > > Regarding the question I asked, vinayJi it's important for all of us to

take a stand. It's important to clearly state points of disagreement.

> > > >

> > > > For char karaka parashara says, there are 7 char karaka, but some

consider 8 char karaka.

> > > >

> > > > For karakamsa he says, it is the navamsha occupied by atmakaraka.

Nothing else.

> > > >

> > > > For vimshottari dasha he says that it is calculated from moon nakshatra,

but didn't talk about other possibilities.

> > > >

> > > > He didn't talk about moola dasha, but it is the most powerful dasha

known today, much more powerful then vimshottari. Kalayan verma has always used

this dasha instead of vimshottari.

> > > >

> > > > Neither he talk about extension of char dasha or narayana dasha in

divisional charts.

> > > >

> > > > Tithi pravesh, is not mentioned in his work.

> > > >

> > > > He considers mandooka dasha, kaalchakra dasha and many more dasha as not

being appropriate. I don't know much about kaalchakra dasha, but mandooka dasha

is just magical.

> > > >

> > > > Sage parashara was very brief. He left us, on our own to decide many

things. I have spent days and days to find these answers. Probably that's why I

am here, to find answer to my questions.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, Rashi sandhi, this is the invention of sanjayJi with unclear

background from which I disagree… but it no way reduces the importance of good

things which he has given to jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > And RohiniJi, oops…Now I know, sorry for mistake

> > > >

> > > > vinayJi, please share the offset value.

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Arun.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Arun Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohini Ji is 'he' and not 'she'. His name is Rohiniranjan which means

'One who pleases Rohini'.

> > > > >

> > > > > The confusions you mention are merely tips of the iceberg. Whenever

such confusions surface, try to find out what the rishis advised. Most of your

questions are answered in BPHS. Please try to understand it yourself ; as long

as you will try to find out readymade answers, you will not perform Rishi-yajna

which is indespensable for understanding the true meanings of what rishis said.

> > > > >

> > > > > Unless and until confusions in Ganita are cleared, confusions in

Phalita will continue to increase due to endeavours of moderners to change the

rules of Phalita to suit physical astronomy. Most of software makers do not even

provide the option of traditional Ganita because they think traditional Ganita

was wrong, forgetting that it served Jyotisha for millenia. The very definition

of Ayanamsha has been drastically changed by Colebrooke who had no interest or

faith in astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is neither my mission nor in my powers to remove all these

confusions. Jyotisha cannot be learnt like modern disciplines. It needs

Tapasyaa, Brahmacharya, etc, which are outside modern curricula.

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > > ====================== =========

> > > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear VinayJi, NarashimaJi Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is darkness everywhere with no hope of light.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also share your judgment regarding the following:-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) Mandooka dasha of pt.Rath or mandooka dasha of k.n.Rao, which one

to trust?

> > > > > > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka?

> > > > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few

days back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that she is against pt.Rath

views)

> > > > > > 4) One should consider vimshottari dasha both from lagana nakshatra

or moon naksharta based on the criteria mentioned by pt.Rath or it's always seen

from moon nakshatra.

> > > > > > 5) Where to apply moola dasha, in shastiamsa or in birth chart.

> > > > > > 6) Authenticity of concept of marana karaka sthana.

> > > > > > 7) Can we extend narayana dasah, or char dasha in divisional charts

too?

> > > > > > 8) In tithi pravesha, should we use tithi ashtottari dasa or

compressed vimshottari dasha. Did compressed vimshottari works fine?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Confusion is sky high; don't know what we learners of jyotish do.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To All :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The following webpage contains a brief description of Kaala-chakra

> > > > > > > Dashaa's Scheme and Sub-periods, which some modern astrologers are

> > > > > > > interpreting according to novel ideas contrary to the original

plan of

> > > > > > > Sage Parashara :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -Vinay Jha

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Partha,

 

Parasara said " aMshaiH samau grahau dvau chet raahvantaan chintayet tathaa " . It

litereally means " if two planets are equal by degrees, then planets ending with

Rahu should be considered " . Even later, he said " dvau grahau bhaagatulyau chet " ,

meaning " if two planets are of equal degrees " .

 

He specifically said two. However, he did not say " only two " . So that does not

preclude 3 or 4 or 2+2. If three planets are equal in degrees or four planets

are eqaul in degrees or two pairs of planets are individually equal in degrees,

in all these cases you also have " two planets " that are equal in degrees. Hence

Parasara's criterion applies and Rahu is included. You exclude Rahu only when

all seven planets are in seven different degrees.

 

You can use JHora 7.33 to find chara karakas in any chart using " Mixed 7/8 chara

karakas of Parasara " option. Your case is a straight-forward case.

 

Also, kaaraka dasa illustrated in the chara dasa article (at

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles) is supported by JHora 7.33. Click

" dasas " tab, " other dasas " lower tab and " Karaka dasa " in pop-up menu.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

-

Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

" Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

Spirituality:

Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

-

 

vedic astrology , " partha " <partvinu wrote:

>

> Dear Narasimha

>

> Just one more query addendum to previous one.

> Did parasara explicitly say when two or (more) planets in same dgree?

>

> If you look at my chart, AK and AMK are in the same degree.

> BK and MK are in the same degree.

> I am sure you must have come across charts where multiple karakas are in same

degrees. In such rare(edge) cases, do you mean to say that rahu resolves

disputes for all of them.

>

> My chart

> december 15, 1976, 8:30 AM, New Delhi.

>

> regards

> partha

>

>

> vedic astrology , " partha " <partvinu@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Narasimha

> >

> > This study of yours is interesting. However, i have only one doubt, what

about charts where many planets are in same degree?

> > For example AK and AMK, BK and MK, or say four planets in AK's degree. You

have included rahu by looking at a situation where two planets are in the same

degree. Does Parasara Maharshi say anything about four planets in same degree?

> >

> > Regards

> > Partha

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste friends,

> > >

> > > > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka?

> > > >

> > > > 8 Char Karaka works for me, for many it is 7 char karaka. So, it is upto

you to decide.

> > >

> > > People seem to think that there are only two options - taking 8 chara

karakas in all charts and taking 7 chara karakas in all charts.

> > >

> > > However, Parasara clearly taught that 7 chara karakas apply in SOME charts

and 8 chara karakas in others. He even gave the astrological criteria to apply

to the horoscope in order to decide which scheme to use. Thus, neither the 7

chara karaka camp nor the 8 chara karaka camp is correct. Both camps violate

Parasara.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > Please go to

> > >

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles

> > >

> > > and read the article titled: " Parasara's Chara Karakas " . This defines

chara karakas as taught by Parasara (and understood by me). It also defines a

dasa system known as Karaka dasa (taught by Parasara) and illustrate how it

works using 16 clear examples. Another article titled " Parasara's Atma Karaka

Kendradi Graha Dasa " defines a dasa system based on AK and illustrates it using

13 clear examples.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > JHora 7.33 supports this system of taking 7 or 8 chara karakas based on

the horoscope. In JHora 7.33, select " Preferences " , " Related to calculations "

and " Chara karaka scheme (7 or 8) " . In the selection combobox, select the 4th

option " Mixed 7/8 chara karakas of Parasara " . It then takes 7 chara karakas in

some charts and 8 in others, based on Parasara's criteria.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -

> > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> > > Spirituality:

> > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> > > -

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " partha " <partvinu@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Arun

> > > >

> > > > Pointwise answers to your questions, please read it, dont reply to me,

as i dont see mails too often these days.

> > > >

> > > > 1) Mandooka dasha of pt.Rath or mandooka dasha of k.n.Rao, which one to

trust?

> > > >

> > > > Trust what you feel is working for you. Trust the truth, not the

individual.

> > > >

> > > > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka?

> > > >

> > > > 8 Char Karaka works for me, for many it is 7 char karaka. So, it is upto

you to decide.

> > > >

> > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few

days

> > > >

> > > > Ans) Karakamsa to be seen in navamsa, but i am not an authority. You can

study and publish your findings.

> > > >

> > > > 4) One should consider vimshottari dasha both from lagana nakshatra or

moon naksharta based on the criteria mentioned by pt.Rath or it's always seen

from moon nakshatra.

> > > >

> > > > ans) Same as above.

> > > >

> > > > 5) Where to apply moola dasha, in shastiamsa or in birth chart.

> > > >

> > > > Shastyamsa chart, and also Rasi Chart.

> > > >

> > > > 6) Authenticity of concept of marana karaka sthana.

> > > >

> > > > ans) Authenticity? :-))

> > > >

> > > > 7) Can we extend narayana dasah, or char dasha in divisional charts too?

> > > >

> > > > Ans) Narayan dasa is calculated separately for each divisional chart.

> > > >

> > > > 8) In tithi pravesha, should we use tithi ashtottari dasa or compressed

vimshottari dasha. Did compressed vimshottari works fine?

> > > >

> > > > Ans) Tithi ashtottari is the recommended one. BUt you can try others as

well.

> > > >

> > > > Light doesnot come so easily. Everyone is in the same tunnel.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Partha

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Dear VinayJi, NarashimaJi Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is darkness everywhere with no hope of light.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also share your judgment regarding the following:-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) Mandooka dasha of pt.Rath or mandooka dasha of k.n.Rao, which one

to

> > > > trust?

> > > > > > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka?

> > > > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few

days

> > > > back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that she is against

pt.Rath

> > > > views)

> > > > > > 4) One should consider vimshottari dasha both from lagana nakshatra

or moon

> > > > naksharta based on the criteria mentioned by pt.Rath or it's always seen

from

> > > > moon nakshatra.

> > > > > > 5) Where to apply moola dasha, in shastiamsa or in birth chart.

> > > > > > 6) Authenticity of concept of marana karaka sthana.

> > > > > > 7) Can we extend narayana dasah, or char dasha in divisional charts

too?

> > > > > > 8) In tithi pravesha, should we use tithi ashtottari dasa or

compressed

> > > > vimshottari dasha. Did compressed vimshottari works fine?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Confusion is sky high; don't know what we learners of jyotish do.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear VinayJi Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope NarashimaJi, could add one more Ayanamsha in JHora, but till then

please share the offset value, which you are using. Is this offset is to be

applied to Lahari Ayanamsha or some other Ayanamsha?

> > > > >

> > > > > Is it just a coincidence that when every one is fighting about 7 or 8

char karaka, you come and say, lahari ayanamsha is incorrect. So what might seem

to be atma karaka might become dara karaka or amtya Karak.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sri k.n.rao, has ended the ayanamsha war by accepting lahari ayanamsha

to be correct. I don't know where it is good to start it again but it is worth

investing time on your new ayanamsha predictive value as you have quite

accurately predicted rainfall by using it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding the question I asked, vinayJi it's important for all of us

to take a stand. It's important to clearly state points of disagreement.

> > > > >

> > > > > For char karaka parashara says, there are 7 char karaka, but some

consider 8 char karaka.

> > > > >

> > > > > For karakamsa he says, it is the navamsha occupied by atmakaraka.

Nothing else.

> > > > >

> > > > > For vimshottari dasha he says that it is calculated from moon

nakshatra, but didn't talk about other possibilities.

> > > > >

> > > > > He didn't talk about moola dasha, but it is the most powerful dasha

known today, much more powerful then vimshottari. Kalayan verma has always used

this dasha instead of vimshottari.

> > > > >

> > > > > Neither he talk about extension of char dasha or narayana dasha in

divisional charts.

> > > > >

> > > > > Tithi pravesh, is not mentioned in his work.

> > > > >

> > > > > He considers mandooka dasha, kaalchakra dasha and many more dasha as

not being appropriate. I don't know much about kaalchakra dasha, but mandooka

dasha is just magical.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sage parashara was very brief. He left us, on our own to decide many

things. I have spent days and days to find these answers. Probably that's why I

am here, to find answer to my questions.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, Rashi sandhi, this is the invention of sanjayJi with unclear

background from which I disagree… but it no way reduces the importance of

good things which he has given to jyotish.

> > > > >

> > > > > And RohiniJi, oops…Now I know, sorry for mistake

> > > > >

> > > > > vinayJi, please share the offset value.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Arun.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Arun Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohini Ji is 'he' and not 'she'. His name is Rohiniranjan which

means 'One who pleases Rohini'.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The confusions you mention are merely tips of the iceberg. Whenever

such confusions surface, try to find out what the rishis advised. Most of your

questions are answered in BPHS. Please try to understand it yourself ; as long

as you will try to find out readymade answers, you will not perform Rishi-yajna

which is indespensable for understanding the true meanings of what rishis said.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Unless and until confusions in Ganita are cleared, confusions in

Phalita will continue to increase due to endeavours of moderners to change the

rules of Phalita to suit physical astronomy. Most of software makers do not even

provide the option of traditional Ganita because they think traditional Ganita

was wrong, forgetting that it served Jyotisha for millenia. The very definition

of Ayanamsha has been drastically changed by Colebrooke who had no interest or

faith in astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is neither my mission nor in my powers to remove all these

confusions. Jyotisha cannot be learnt like modern disciplines. It needs

Tapasyaa, Brahmacharya, etc, which are outside modern curricula.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > ====================== =========

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear VinayJi, NarashimaJi Namaste,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is darkness everywhere with no hope of light.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also share your judgment regarding the following:-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1) Mandooka dasha of pt.Rath or mandooka dasha of k.n.Rao, which

one to trust?

> > > > > > > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka?

> > > > > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart?

(few days back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that she is against

pt.Rath views)

> > > > > > > 4) One should consider vimshottari dasha both from lagana

nakshatra or moon naksharta based on the criteria mentioned by pt.Rath or it's

always seen from moon nakshatra.

> > > > > > > 5) Where to apply moola dasha, in shastiamsa or in birth chart.

> > > > > > > 6) Authenticity of concept of marana karaka sthana.

> > > > > > > 7) Can we extend narayana dasah, or char dasha in divisional

charts too?

> > > > > > > 8) In tithi pravesha, should we use tithi ashtottari dasa or

compressed vimshottari dasha. Did compressed vimshottari works fine?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Confusion is sky high; don't know what we learners of jyotish do.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > To All :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The following webpage contains a brief description of

Kaala-chakra

> > > > > > > > Dashaa's Scheme and Sub-periods, which some modern astrologers

are

> > > > > > > > interpreting according to novel ideas contrary to the original

plan of

> > > > > > > > Sage Parashara :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha

[Guest guest]

Namaste Partha,

 

Parasara said " aMshaiH samau grahau dvau chet raahvantaan chintayet tathaa " . It

litereally means " if two planets are equal by degrees, then planets ending with

Rahu should be considered " . Even later, he said " dvau grahau bhaagatulyau chet " ,

meaning " if two planets are of equal degrees " .

 

He specifically said two. However, he did not say " only two " . So that does not

preclude 3 or 4 or 2+2. If three planets are equal in degrees or four planets

are eqaul in degrees or two pairs of planets are individually equal in degrees,

in all these cases you also have " two planets " that are equal in degrees. Hence

Parasara's criterion applies and Rahu is included. You exclude Rahu only when

all seven planets are in seven different degrees.

 

You can use JHora 7.33 to find chara karakas in any chart using " Mixed 7/8 chara

karakas of Parasara " option. Your case is a straight-forward case.

 

Also, kaaraka dasa illustrated in the chara dasa article (at

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles) is supported by JHora 7.33. Click

" dasas " tab, " other dasas " lower tab and " Karaka dasa " in pop-up menu.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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vedic astrology , " partha " <partvinu wrote:

>

> Dear Narasimha

>

> Just one more query addendum to previous one.

> Did parasara explicitly say when two or (more) planets in same dgree?

>

> If you look at my chart, AK and AMK are in the same degree.

> BK and MK are in the same degree.

> I am sure you must have come across charts where multiple karakas are in same

degrees. In such rare(edge) cases, do you mean to say that rahu resolves

disputes for all of them.

>

> My chart

> december 15, 1976, 8:30 AM, New Delhi.

>

> regards

> partha

>

>

> vedic astrology , " partha " <partvinu@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Narasimha

> >

> > This study of yours is interesting. However, i have only one doubt, what

about charts where many planets are in same degree?

> > For example AK and AMK, BK and MK, or say four planets in AK's degree. You

have included rahu by looking at a situation where two planets are in the same

degree. Does Parasara Maharshi say anything about four planets in same degree?

> >

> > Regards

> > Partha

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste friends,

> > >

> > > > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka?

> > > >

> > > > 8 Char Karaka works for me, for many it is 7 char karaka. So, it is upto

you to decide.

> > >

> > > People seem to think that there are only two options - taking 8 chara

karakas in all charts and taking 7 chara karakas in all charts.

> > >

> > > However, Parasara clearly taught that 7 chara karakas apply in SOME charts

and 8 chara karakas in others. He even gave the astrological criteria to apply

to the horoscope in order to decide which scheme to use. Thus, neither the 7

chara karaka camp nor the 8 chara karaka camp is correct. Both camps violate

Parasara.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > Please go to

> > >

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles

> > >

> > > and read the article titled: " Parasara's Chara Karakas " . This defines

chara karakas as taught by Parasara (and understood by me). It also defines a

dasa system known as Karaka dasa (taught by Parasara) and illustrate how it

works using 16 clear examples. Another article titled " Parasara's Atma Karaka

Kendradi Graha Dasa " defines a dasa system based on AK and illustrates it using

13 clear examples.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > JHora 7.33 supports this system of taking 7 or 8 chara karakas based on

the horoscope. In JHora 7.33, select " Preferences " , " Related to calculations "

and " Chara karaka scheme (7 or 8) " . In the selection combobox, select the 4th

option " Mixed 7/8 chara karakas of Parasara " . It then takes 7 chara karakas in

some charts and 8 in others, based on Parasara's criteria.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -

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> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

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> > > Spirituality:

> > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> > > -

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " partha " <partvinu@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Arun

> > > >

> > > > Pointwise answers to your questions, please read it, dont reply to me,

as i dont see mails too often these days.

> > > >

> > > > 1) Mandooka dasha of pt.Rath or mandooka dasha of k.n.Rao, which one to

trust?

> > > >

> > > > Trust what you feel is working for you. Trust the truth, not the

individual.

> > > >

> > > > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka?

> > > >

> > > > 8 Char Karaka works for me, for many it is 7 char karaka. So, it is upto

you to decide.

> > > >

> > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few

days

> > > >

> > > > Ans) Karakamsa to be seen in navamsa, but i am not an authority. You can

study and publish your findings.

> > > >

> > > > 4) One should consider vimshottari dasha both from lagana nakshatra or

moon naksharta based on the criteria mentioned by pt.Rath or it's always seen

from moon nakshatra.

> > > >

> > > > ans) Same as above.

> > > >

> > > > 5) Where to apply moola dasha, in shastiamsa or in birth chart.

> > > >

> > > > Shastyamsa chart, and also Rasi Chart.

> > > >

> > > > 6) Authenticity of concept of marana karaka sthana.

> > > >

> > > > ans) Authenticity? :-))

> > > >

> > > > 7) Can we extend narayana dasah, or char dasha in divisional charts too?

> > > >

> > > > Ans) Narayan dasa is calculated separately for each divisional chart.

> > > >

> > > > 8) In tithi pravesha, should we use tithi ashtottari dasa or compressed

vimshottari dasha. Did compressed vimshottari works fine?

> > > >

> > > > Ans) Tithi ashtottari is the recommended one. BUt you can try others as

well.

> > > >

> > > > Light doesnot come so easily. Everyone is in the same tunnel.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Partha

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Dear VinayJi, NarashimaJi Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is darkness everywhere with no hope of light.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also share your judgment regarding the following:-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) Mandooka dasha of pt.Rath or mandooka dasha of k.n.Rao, which one

to

> > > > trust?

> > > > > > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka?

> > > > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart? (few

days

> > > > back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that she is against

pt.Rath

> > > > views)

> > > > > > 4) One should consider vimshottari dasha both from lagana nakshatra

or moon

> > > > naksharta based on the criteria mentioned by pt.Rath or it's always seen

from

> > > > moon nakshatra.

> > > > > > 5) Where to apply moola dasha, in shastiamsa or in birth chart.

> > > > > > 6) Authenticity of concept of marana karaka sthana.

> > > > > > 7) Can we extend narayana dasah, or char dasha in divisional charts

too?

> > > > > > 8) In tithi pravesha, should we use tithi ashtottari dasa or

compressed

> > > > vimshottari dasha. Did compressed vimshottari works fine?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Confusion is sky high; don't know what we learners of jyotish do.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear VinayJi Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope NarashimaJi, could add one more Ayanamsha in JHora, but till then

please share the offset value, which you are using. Is this offset is to be

applied to Lahari Ayanamsha or some other Ayanamsha?

> > > > >

> > > > > Is it just a coincidence that when every one is fighting about 7 or 8

char karaka, you come and say, lahari ayanamsha is incorrect. So what might seem

to be atma karaka might become dara karaka or amtya Karak.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sri k.n.rao, has ended the ayanamsha war by accepting lahari ayanamsha

to be correct. I don't know where it is good to start it again but it is worth

investing time on your new ayanamsha predictive value as you have quite

accurately predicted rainfall by using it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding the question I asked, vinayJi it's important for all of us

to take a stand. It's important to clearly state points of disagreement.

> > > > >

> > > > > For char karaka parashara says, there are 7 char karaka, but some

consider 8 char karaka.

> > > > >

> > > > > For karakamsa he says, it is the navamsha occupied by atmakaraka.

Nothing else.

> > > > >

> > > > > For vimshottari dasha he says that it is calculated from moon

nakshatra, but didn't talk about other possibilities.

> > > > >

> > > > > He didn't talk about moola dasha, but it is the most powerful dasha

known today, much more powerful then vimshottari. Kalayan verma has always used

this dasha instead of vimshottari.

> > > > >

> > > > > Neither he talk about extension of char dasha or narayana dasha in

divisional charts.

> > > > >

> > > > > Tithi pravesh, is not mentioned in his work.

> > > > >

> > > > > He considers mandooka dasha, kaalchakra dasha and many more dasha as

not being appropriate. I don't know much about kaalchakra dasha, but mandooka

dasha is just magical.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sage parashara was very brief. He left us, on our own to decide many

things. I have spent days and days to find these answers. Probably that's why I

am here, to find answer to my questions.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, Rashi sandhi, this is the invention of sanjayJi with unclear

background from which I disagree… but it no way reduces the importance of

good things which he has given to jyotish.

> > > > >

> > > > > And RohiniJi, oops…Now I know, sorry for mistake

> > > > >

> > > > > vinayJi, please share the offset value.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Arun.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Arun Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohini Ji is 'he' and not 'she'. His name is Rohiniranjan which

means 'One who pleases Rohini'.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The confusions you mention are merely tips of the iceberg. Whenever

such confusions surface, try to find out what the rishis advised. Most of your

questions are answered in BPHS. Please try to understand it yourself ; as long

as you will try to find out readymade answers, you will not perform Rishi-yajna

which is indespensable for understanding the true meanings of what rishis said.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Unless and until confusions in Ganita are cleared, confusions in

Phalita will continue to increase due to endeavours of moderners to change the

rules of Phalita to suit physical astronomy. Most of software makers do not even

provide the option of traditional Ganita because they think traditional Ganita

was wrong, forgetting that it served Jyotisha for millenia. The very definition

of Ayanamsha has been drastically changed by Colebrooke who had no interest or

faith in astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is neither my mission nor in my powers to remove all these

confusions. Jyotisha cannot be learnt like modern disciplines. It needs

Tapasyaa, Brahmacharya, etc, which are outside modern curricula.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > ====================== =========

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear VinayJi, NarashimaJi Namaste,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is darkness everywhere with no hope of light.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also share your judgment regarding the following:-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1) Mandooka dasha of pt.Rath or mandooka dasha of k.n.Rao, which

one to trust?

> > > > > > > 2) 7 or 8 char karaka?

> > > > > > > 3) Where to see karakamsa, in birth chart or in navamsha chart?

(few days back I ask this question to Rohini ji. It seems that she is against

pt.Rath views)

> > > > > > > 4) One should consider vimshottari dasha both from lagana

nakshatra or moon naksharta based on the criteria mentioned by pt.Rath or it's

always seen from moon nakshatra.

> > > > > > > 5) Where to apply moola dasha, in shastiamsa or in birth chart.

> > > > > > > 6) Authenticity of concept of marana karaka sthana.

> > > > > > > 7) Can we extend narayana dasah, or char dasha in divisional

charts too?

> > > > > > > 8) In tithi pravesha, should we use tithi ashtottari dasa or

compressed vimshottari dasha. Did compressed vimshottari works fine?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Confusion is sky high; don't know what we learners of jyotish do.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > > > > > > Arun.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > To All :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The following webpage contains a brief description of

Kaala-chakra

> > > > > > > > Dashaa's Scheme and Sub-periods, which some modern astrologers

are

> > > > > > > > interpreting according to novel ideas contrary to the original

plan of

> > > > > > > > Sage Parashara :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha