Fwd (akandabaratam) Astronomy, astrology and Hermeneutic Sciences.

[Guest guest]

akandabaratam , " K. Loganathan " <ulagankmy

wrote:

(#No. 47591)

 

 

 

 

Astronomy Astrology and Hermeneutic Sciences

 

For many decades I have noticed that when Indian scholars talk of

science, they talk of Western Positive sciences and hardly the

Hermeneutic Sciences in which they excelled. We can point out the

Linguistic sciences such as Tolkaappiyar PaNini and so forth as

examples of very rigorous abd sophisticated Hermeneutic Sciences and

which are not the typical positive sciences.

 

Lately there has been attempts to incorporate Astrology as a science, a

very silly attempt mostly by people who do not understand either the

positive sciences or Hermeneutic science So I am prompted to mention

that Astrology is NOT at all a science either in the Western sense with

its Theory Experimental Testing falsification and so forth nor in the

Indian (largely Dravidian) sense of Hermeneutic Sciences

 

The following post may be of interest to readers where Tayumanavar says

that only as Hermeneutic Sciences can religions lead to mutual

understanding agreement and so forth

 

akandabaratam/message/24183

<akandabaratam/message/24183>

 

What I want to mention is that Astrology is neither a positive science

nor a Hermeneutic Science but rather a gross mistake that is really

harmful to the development of Human personality. As I have been saying

already , it MISLEAFS people away from BEING(God) and hence from

genuine spiritual life offering solutions to vexing problems in life

where as a matter of fact they are not solutions at all. They are not

medicines that cure but rather drugs that make people more sick.

 

The point is it is NOT a positive science for there is NO such a thing

as a THEORY on the basis of which some hypotheses are generated where

conditions of REFUTATIONS are also specified. When cornered the

astrologers specially the so-called Vedic Astrologers end up saying

that astrology is not a science but an art as if such a way of avoiding

the issue settles the problem

 

Now in saying that it is an ART, if it is meant that it is a kind of

Hermeneutic Science (HS) such as Music Dance Linguistics and so forth

then we can see that astrology is NOT a HS like these.

 

For we have TWO different things - the vast Sky with stars planets and

so forth and the PERSON with his soul that has an internal structure

and which in fact determines the patterns of his behavior sometimes also

related to the biological factors.

 

Now the sky may have a Clock-Work and which an astronomer can study and

construct calendars of various kinds. This is Pure Astronomy. Now a

metaphysician may take the same sky with the same observations but

taking it as a TEXT with a DUALITY of Structure the Surface

Structure(SS) and Deep Structure(DS) may infer the presence of various

kinds of Divine Forces but in the depths. This was how the Sumerians

Egyptians and so forth came to recognize the presence do Divine Forces ,

An In-Anna Enlil and so forth and began building temples for them with

festivals and rituals for each one of the gods and in different times.

 

But the astrologer does not link the presence of celestial bodies with

the patterns of human behavior. He looks at the birth chart of a

person, his cosmic address and seeing the configurations of the stars

suns and moons and how these stand in relation to the cosmic address of

a person , concludes that the time is auspicious inauspicious he can

begin building a house. should not begin now to avoid disasters and so

forth.

 

Despite repeated experiences of people whereby such predictions are

known to be invalid the business of astrology goes on more for some

psychological l reason than anything else. When people fail, feel

miserable and so forth , they enjoy being told that they are NOT

RESPONSIBLE for such turns of events but it is all the fault of the

stars etc. This provides a kind of relieve for the person - he need NOT

feel GUILTY about the evils he has done and because of which he is

sufferung. He is spared such a self examination and in that misled

into a false route whereby he does NOT improve as a person at all.

 

Thus astrology is like opium- it does not cure but instead pulls the

person into another disease.

 

Brahminism basing itself upon the Vedas, in promoting Astrology, throws

Hindu people into an unthinking lot, perhaps a cunning move to make

people unthinking and credulous. Vedism is not a culture that promotes

THINKING and DEVELOPING †" it drugs the mind and makes people

mental slaves. Perhaps it is because of this that Periyar started his

rationalist movement where he maintained that making people rational

will be sufficient to make them capable of rational decisions

 

Loga (revised 11-3-10)

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Very interesting Krishen however, it is only your opinion that it is not a

science.

Astrology is a science for those of us who treat it as such and can provide

evidence that it is

M

-

Krishen

Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:36 AM

Re: Fwd (akandabaratam) Astronomy, astrology and

Hermeneutic Sciences.

 

 

 

 

akandabaratam , " K. Loganathan " <ulagankmy

wrote:

(#No. 47591)

 

Astronomy Astrology and Hermeneutic Sciences

 

For many decades I have noticed that when Indian scholars talk of

science, they talk of Western Positive sciences and hardly the

Hermeneutic Sciences in which they excelled. We can point out the

Linguistic sciences such as Tolkaappiyar PaNini and so forth as

examples of very rigorous abd sophisticated Hermeneutic Sciences and

which are not the typical positive sciences.

 

Lately there has been attempts to incorporate Astrology as a science, a

very silly attempt mostly by people who do not understand either the

positive sciences or Hermeneutic science So I am prompted to mention

that Astrology is NOT at all a science either in the Western sense with

its Theory Experimental Testing falsification and so forth nor in the

Indian (largely Dravidian) sense of Hermeneutic Sciences

 

The following post may be of interest to readers where Tayumanavar says

that only as Hermeneutic Sciences can religions lead to mutual

understanding agreement and so forth

 

akandabaratam/message/24183

<akandabaratam/message/24183>

 

What I want to mention is that Astrology is neither a positive science

nor a Hermeneutic Science but rather a gross mistake that is really

harmful to the development of Human personality. As I have been saying

already , it MISLEAFS people away from BEING(God) and hence from

genuine spiritual life offering solutions to vexing problems in life

where as a matter of fact they are not solutions at all. They are not

medicines that cure but rather drugs that make people more sick.

 

The point is it is NOT a positive science for there is NO such a thing

as a THEORY on the basis of which some hypotheses are generated where

conditions of REFUTATIONS are also specified. When cornered the

astrologers specially the so-called Vedic Astrologers end up saying

that astrology is not a science but an art as if such a way of avoiding

the issue settles the problem

 

Now in saying that it is an ART, if it is meant that it is a kind of

Hermeneutic Science (HS) such as Music Dance Linguistics and so forth

then we can see that astrology is NOT a HS like these.

 

For we have TWO different things - the vast Sky with stars planets and

so forth and the PERSON with his soul that has an internal structure

and which in fact determines the patterns of his behavior sometimes also

related to the biological factors.

 

Now the sky may have a Clock-Work and which an astronomer can study and

construct calendars of various kinds. This is Pure Astronomy. Now a

metaphysician may take the same sky with the same observations but

taking it as a TEXT with a DUALITY of Structure the Surface

Structure(SS) and Deep Structure(DS) may infer the presence of various

kinds of Divine Forces but in the depths. This was how the Sumerians

Egyptians and so forth came to recognize the presence do Divine Forces ,

An In-Anna Enlil and so forth and began building temples for them with

festivals and rituals for each one of the gods and in different times.

 

But the astrologer does not link the presence of celestial bodies with

the patterns of human behavior. He looks at the birth chart of a

person, his cosmic address and seeing the configurations of the stars

suns and moons and how these stand in relation to the cosmic address of

a person , concludes that the time is auspicious inauspicious he can

begin building a house. should not begin now to avoid disasters and so

forth.

 

Despite repeated experiences of people whereby such predictions are

known to be invalid the business of astrology goes on more for some

psychological l reason than anything else. When people fail, feel

miserable and so forth , they enjoy being told that they are NOT

RESPONSIBLE for such turns of events but it is all the fault of the

stars etc. This provides a kind of relieve for the person - he need NOT

feel GUILTY about the evils he has done and because of which he is

sufferung. He is spared such a self examination and in that misled

into a false route whereby he does NOT improve as a person at all.

 

Thus astrology is like opium- it does not cure but instead pulls the

person into another disease.

 

Brahminism basing itself upon the Vedas, in promoting Astrology, throws

Hindu people into an unthinking lot, perhaps a cunning move to make

people unthinking and credulous. Vedism is not a culture that promotes

THINKING and DEVELOPING â? " it drugs the mind and makes people

mental slaves. Perhaps it is because of this that Periyar started his

rationalist movement where he maintained that making people rational

will be sufficient to make them capable of rational decisions

 

Loga (revised 11-3-10)

 

[Guest guest]

Dear friend,

 

Jai Shri Ram!

 

Thanks for the response.

 

<Astrology is a science for those of us who treat it as such and can

provide

evidence that it is>

 

A couple of things are pre-resuisites in this respect and these are:

 

1. Definition of science

 

2. Evidence that predictive gimmicks is a science as per that defintion.

 

Jai Shri Ram!

 

A K Kaul

 

 

, " Marg " <margie9 wrote:

>

>

Re: Re: Fwd (akandabaratam) Astronomy, astrology and

Hermeneutic Sciences.

Very interesting Krishen however, it is only your opinion that it is not

a

science.

Astrology is a science for those of us who treat it as such and can

provide

evidence that it is

M

-

Krishen

 

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Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:36 AM

Re: Fwd (akandabaratam) Astronomy, astrology and

Hermeneutic Sciences.

 

 

 

 

akandabaratam

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A2C34jZC-XFy9NpYhnqT53tGcd0iByrKI-lP0NMfInv7-IwBYSw4> , " K. Loganathan "

<ulagankmy

wrote:

(#No. 47591)

 

Astronomy Astrology and Hermeneutic Sciences

 

For many decades I have noticed that when Indian scholars talk of

science, they talk of Western Positive sciences and hardly the

Hermeneutic Sciences in which they excelled. We can point out the

Linguistic sciences such as Tolkaappiyar PaNini and so forth as

examples of very rigorous abd sophisticated Hermeneutic Sciences and

which are not the typical positive sciences.

 

Lately there has been attempts to incorporate Astrology as a science, a

very silly attempt mostly by people who do not understand either the

positive sciences or Hermeneutic science So I am prompted to mention

that Astrology is NOT at all a science either in the Western sense with

its Theory Experimental Testing falsification and so forth nor in the

Indian (largely Dravidian) sense of Hermeneutic Sciences

 

The following post may be of interest to readers where Tayumanavar says

that only as Hermeneutic Sciences can religions lead to mutual

understanding agreement and so forth

 

akandabaratam/message/24183

<akandabaratam/message/24183>

<akandabaratam/message/24183

<akandabaratam/message/24183> >

 

What I want to mention is that Astrology is neither a positive science

nor a Hermeneutic Science but rather a gross mistake that is really

harmful to the development of Human personality. As I have been saying

already , it MISLEAFS people away from BEING(God) and hence from

genuine spiritual life offering solutions to vexing problems in life

where as a matter of fact they are not solutions at all. They are not

medicines that cure but rather drugs that make people more sick.

 

The point is it is NOT a positive science for there is NO such a thing

as a THEORY on the basis of which some hypotheses are generated where

conditions of REFUTATIONS are also specified. When cornered the

astrologers specially the so-called Vedic Astrologers end up saying

that astrology is not a science but an art as if such a way of avoiding

the issue settles the problem

 

Now in saying that it is an ART, if it is meant that it is a kind of

Hermeneutic Science (HS) such as Music Dance Linguistics and so forth

then we can see that astrology is NOT a HS like these.

 

For we have TWO different things - the vast Sky with stars planets and

so forth and the PERSON with his soul that has an internal structure

and which in fact determines the patterns of his behavior sometimes also

related to the biological factors.

 

Now the sky may have a Clock-Work and which an astronomer can study and

construct calendars of various kinds. This is Pure Astronomy. Now a

metaphysician may take the same sky with the same observations but

taking it as a TEXT with a DUALITY of Structure the Surface

Structure(SS) and Deep Structure(DS) may infer the presence of various

kinds of Divine Forces but in the depths. This was how the Sumerians

Egyptians and so forth came to recognize the presence do Divine Forces ,

An In-Anna Enlil and so forth and began building temples for them with

festivals and rituals for each one of the gods and in different times.

 

But the astrologer does not link the presence of celestial bodies with

the patterns of human behavior. He looks at the birth chart of a

person, his cosmic address and seeing the configurations of the stars

suns and moons and how these stand in relation to the cosmic address of

a person , concludes that the time is auspicious inauspicious he can

begin building a house. should not begin now to avoid disasters and so

forth.

 

Despite repeated experiences of people whereby such predictions are

known to be invalid the business of astrology goes on more for some

psychological l reason than anything else. When people fail, feel

miserable and so forth , they enjoy being told that they are NOT

RESPONSIBLE for such turns of events but it is all the fault of the

stars etc. This provides a kind of relieve for the person - he need NOT

feel GUILTY about the evils he has done and because of which he is

sufferung. He is spared such a self examination and in that misled

into a false route whereby he does NOT improve as a person at all.

 

Thus astrology is like opium- it does not cure but instead pulls the

person into another disease.

 

Brahminism basing itself upon the Vedas, in promoting Astrology, throws

Hindu people into an unthinking lot, perhaps a cunning move to make

people unthinking and credulous. Vedism is not a culture that promotes

THINKING and DEVELOPING â? " it drugs the mind and makes people

mental slaves. Perhaps it is because of this that Periyar started his

rationalist movement where he maintained that making people rational

will be sufficient to make them capable of rational decisions

 

Loga (revised 11-3-10)