Correct dates of festivals!

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Dear shri Kaulji, shri Darshaney lokeshji and shri A Sharmaji,

Namaskar!

<It is only through nakshatras, Junction Stars, that we are able to say that the

Vedanga Jyotisha is a work of about 1400 BCE, because that work refers to the

New Moon falling in Dhanishtha nakshatra, which coincided with Uttarayana i.e.

Winter Solstice! That could have happened only in around 1400 BCE>

You are taking things only from your modern angle of deciphering the date of

vedanga jyotish. But that was not the intention of Lagadh when he refers to

uttarayan occurring when the sun and the moon are in dhanistha nakshyatra. He

mentioned that, not to make it easy for you to decipher the historical date(

although it has definitely seved that purpose for you), but to facilitate the

people of his time to refer to uttarayan as the sun and moon position. The sun

position was to be at Dhanistha and moon positon was maagha sukla pratipada for

the celebration of 'uttarayan' event and was not celebrated at the actual

uttarayan date.As long as uttarayan remained within the maagha sukla pratipada

fluctuation zone,it very well served the purpose of representing uttarayan date,

for civil purpose of celebration.The problem came only after 1700 years, when

maagha sukla pratipada no more went both before and after the uttarayan date.

During the whole period of 1700 years,(please note this point,) 'maagha sukla

pratipada went both before and after both the nirayan uttaryan celebraton of

'sun in dhanistha position' as well as the actual tropical uttarayan dates,

which although kept on shifting year after year, very very slowwwly. In other

words, maagha sukla pratipada coordinated the sayan and the nirayn dates for

1700 years and thus did not need any change in the nirayan position of the 'sun

in dhanistha' as the nirayan uttrayan date.Can you please understand the meaning

of this statement that Vedanga jyotish remained nirayan for 1700 years both from

the solar and the lunar view points! Do comment if you have any doubt in this.

 

<All these details about calculating tithi, nakshatra, ritus and

months-----but not rashis and planets!------have been given by Acharya Lagadha

in his Vedanga Jyotisham in around 1400 BCE,>

 

Again you are forgetting the main issue and getting carried away by secondary

issues. Rashis only fixed the sun more precisely by virtue of supplying the

sankrantis. It in no way contradicted the nakshyatra postion of the sun, but

supported it. Wether you say sun at dhanistha or sun at makar sankranti,

conceptually it is the same. Both are the 'nirayan or stellar' positions of the

sun.Please understand this too.

Yes,the planets were a new concept added which had no scientific or religious

bearing , but not the rashis. The rashis helped in fixing the sun at the 12

sankrantis. This in fact was a very good idea since the sun is actually a fixed

object, scientifically speaking.We should applaude this improvement,because this

helped to set the adhimas in a more accurate way, than of the Vedanga jyotish.

Thus after 1700 years of fruitful existence, vedanga jyotish lost its

importance and accuracy to set the correct uttaryan postion. It was high time

to set a new nirayan uttaryan. This was done by shifting the new nirayan

uttarayan at makar sankranti, seven padas backwards.

This new nirayan uttaryan set during the Sidhanta Jyotish also lost its value

after the 15th century, since the new tithi of poush purnima as the new uttaryan

tithi, also lost contact with the moving tropical uttarayan, which moves with

the precesion of earth axis. (Do not tell me you do not know what precession

is!) Then it was time to shift the new nirayan uttaryan to dhanu sankranti. But

since it has not been done till date, let us fix it now. The new nirayan

uttaryan as dhanu sankranti will have its value effective further for 1500 years

in the future. But while we do our calendar reform, let us not change our

traditional coordinative system which is mainly based on tithi which coordinates

both the sayan and the nirayan values of celebration of the event of uttarayan.

The importance of the nirayan value of uttrayan is that it is set at the fixed

star position and also it falls at the mid point of the fluctuation of the

uttaryan tithi, which is now to be mrigasira purnima. Let us stick to our Vedic

coordinative system as it always has been coordinative of both the sayan and

the nirayan systems. It is time both shri Darshaney lokeshji and shri Kaulji do

not pretend ignorance of this Vedic concept of coordination, since the sixth

sloka of Yajur Vedanga jyotish makes it quite clear.Thank you.

Regards,

Hari Malla

 

HinduCalendar , " jyotirved " <jyotirved wrote:

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> Shri T. K. P. Ghopalji,

>

> Jai Shri Ram!

>

> <Does this mail has any Scientific matter !?!?!? You are talking much about

> scientific astrology! But you give much importance to mails like these.>

>

> The real Vamadevas were astronomers in the real sense of the word, unlike

> their modern namesakes, for whom the Vedas have nothing else to do except to

> decipher the janmapatri of every Tom, Dick and Harry!

>

> Hindu festivals are a part of Vedic rituals and are based on seasons,

> seasonal months---both solar and lunar---tithis and nakshatras!

>

> Seasons are because of the phenomenon of seasons, about which you must have

> read in primary school level geography books. Seasonal months---both lunar

> and solar---are two months of each season, as per the Vedic lore. They are

> all thus geographic phenomenon.

>

> Tithis are the distance between the Moon and the sun, divided by twelve.

> These are known as lunar phases, since purnima (Full Moon), Amanta (New

> Moon) etc. are all lunar phases from zero to thirty and are as such a part

> of astronomy!

>

> It is only through nakshatras, Junction Stars, that we are able to say that

> the Vedanga Jyotisha is a work of about 1400 BCE, because that work refers

> to the New Moon falling in Dhanishtha nakshatra, which coincided with

> Uttarayana i.e. Winter Solstice! That could have happened only in around

> 1400 BCE. We are also able to decide the dates of Yajur Veda as around

> 3000 BCE, because it talks of " Krittikas not swerving from the East " . There

> are similar other instances!

>

> All these details about calculating tithi, nakshatra, ritus and

> months-----but not rashis and planets!------have been given by Acharya

> Lagadha in his Vedanga Jyotisham in around 1400 BCE, but maybe " Vedic

> jyotishis " like you are unaware of the same, because, according to them

> " Vedanga Jyoitisha " means nothing but predicting as to who will have a

> heart attack on what date or who will be the minister in which year of his

> life, as per the sade sati or kalasapra dosha etc.etc. that may be running

> in his/her horoscope! And blissfully, jyotishis like you are unaware of the

> fact that Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis, whether so called sayana or so called

> nirayana, are imaginary twelve division of a still imaginary circle known

> as ecliptic!

>

> And Mangal is the owner of the first imaginary division, Venus the owner of

> second imaginary division and so on! And no wonder, all these " properties "

> are " benami transactions " , but even then they have been " registered " by

> " almighty jyotishis " in the names of inanimate wandering bodies known as

> planets!

>

> And they fight tooth and nail to prove all that phantasmagoria as scientific

> and decry streamlining the Hindu calendar as unscientific!

>

> Vinaasha kaale vipareeta budhih!

>

> Jai Shri Ram

>

> A K Kaul

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> Attn:Mr.Sanat

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> Does this mail has any Scientific matter !?!?!?

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> You are talking much about scientific astrology!

>

> But you give much importance to mails like these.

>

> Is it because you are unable to resist or you are for it ?!?!?

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> I simply cant understand your science in astrology.

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> Regards

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> Tkp

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> Dear friends,

>

> Jai Shri Ram!

>

> Here is the list of correct dates of some of the important fasts, festivals

> and fairs for 2010-11.

>

>

>

> This list has been compiled as per the Vedas, Vedanga Jyotisham, Puranas

> and siddhantas. In fact, this is almost a ditto copy of the list of

> festivals prepared by Shri Darshaney Lokesh in his " Mohan Kriti

> Tithi-Patrak " in Hindi, priced at Rs. 80; postage extra.

>

> His address is: Shri Darshaney Lokesh; 276, Gama-1, Greater Noida

> (UP)-201310

>

> (Ph.0120-6544628; 09412354036)

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>

> On perusing this list, you will see that there is a lot of difference from

> the dates of festivals as per Rashtirya Panchanga, which is actually

> " almighty " Lahiri Panchanga, and is thus neither as per the Vedas nor the

> Siddhantas, nor even modern astronomy, leave alone dharmashastras!

>

> Those Lahiri festivals are being observed because we are surrounded by

> " Vedic astrologers " who are actually anything but Vedic. And since those

> " Vedic astrologers " cannot " make correct predictions (sic!) " from any

> Rashichakra other than that of Lahiri, that is why they want the entire

> Hindu community to celebrate muhurtas and also festivals on " Lahiri "

> days!

>

> It is, though, a moot point as to how accurate (sic!) their predictions on

> the basis of " almighty " Lahiri Rashichakra are, since---just to cite one

> example---it was on the basis of that very Rashichakra that the NDA

> government had been advised by Jyotishis galore to advance the elections by

> several months, and the results are there for anybody to see---Poor

> Vajpayee's Rajya suffered an " akalamrityu " ---thanks to " Vedic astrologers "

> and their " Vedic astrology " .

>

> You will find from this list that these jyotishis want us to celebrate Pitra

> Amavasya on the day of Dipavali, celebrate shradha paksha during a time

> which is very auspicious otherwise, celebrate kharamasa and dhanurmasa when

> they are not prevailing and so on and so forth! They are also thrusting

> down our throat an adhika Vaishakha masa in 2010, when there is no

> adhikamasa as per the Vedanga Jyotisham during this year!

>

> It may be of interest to these " Vedic astrologers " that in the past, all the

> horoscopes were prepared from panchangas based on siddhantas like the Surya

> Siddhanta by Maya the mlechha, and all the siddhantas talk of " Bhanor Makar

> Sankranteh Shanmasah uttarayanam, karkyades-tathiava syat shanmasa

> dakshinayanam. Dwirashinathah ritavastatoapi shishiradayah, meshadayo

> dwadashaite hbagastaireva vatsarah " i.e " The six months of Uttarayana start

> from the day of Makar Sankranti (the shortest day of the year) and the six

> months of Dakshinayana from the day of Karkata Sankranti (the longest day of

> the year). Thence also are reckoned the ritus like Shishira etc. of two

> months each. These twelve rashis, commencing with Mesha are the months of

> which a year is made up. " (Surya Siddhanta -Madyamadhikara 9-10)

>

>

>

> In fact, the same thing has been repeated in almost all the Puranas, whether

> the Bhagavata or the Vishnu Purana or the Shiva Purana etc. etc. that

> Makara Sankranti is the shortest day of the year, Karakta Sankranti the

> longest day of the year, Mesha Sankranti the day of Vernal Equinox (when day

> is equal to night), Tula Sankranti the day of Autumn Equinox, when the day

> is equal to night again! All these points have been clarified in BVB6.docs;

> 1999b.docs etc.

>

> All these clarifications and pramanas from shastras as well as modern

> astronomy were sent to all the dharmacharyas. If in spite of that, these

> jagadgurus, who are supposed to be sarvajnyas, or " his holienss of art of

> this thing or that thing " or babas and yogis and tantriks etc. are acting

> like blind and deaf towards such a travesty of dharma, we must certainly

> try to find the reasons for the same!

>

> What is all the more surprising is that Arya Samajis, who are supposed to go

> by the Vedas and nothing but the Vedic lore, are also succumbing to

> " almighty " Lahiri Rashichakra which is anything but Vedic---since there are

> no Mesha etc. Rashis in the Vedas, as such no Makar or Kumbha Sankranti---

> nor siddhantic, least of all as per modern astronomy!

>

> All these " nimitas " (omens) are certainly not good for the Hindu community

> as a whole!

>

> It is, as such, a Clarion Call to a common Hindu that he/she must revolt

> against such tyranny in the name of phalita-jyotisha by " Vedic astrologers "

> who are anything but Vedic, and start celebrating all the festivals and

> muhurtas on correct days!

>

>

>

> Jai Shri Ram!

>

> A K Kaul

>

> PS

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