Guest guest Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Namaste,  Though it is not addressed to me, I would like to mention a few points from my perspective.  Do the other planets excepting the sun and the moon (including Rahu and Ketu which result from them) really have any appreciable effect on the creatures of earth? If there is any such effect why has science not been able to detect it so far when our radiology and radio telescopes have developed so much?  What you have asked is a valid query. But, one must consider the fact that what a radiotelescope detects are various emissions from one side of the spectrum. What if the way astrology works has nothing to do with these emissions? We have " assumed " that it has a gravitational pull that effects, but is it really so? Further, is there an ethereal form of the gravitation force too? Who knows!  What if the effects are at a subliminal level? Science of today - as it stands now - is incapable of dealing with subliminal measurements. It only recognizes and understands physical procedures through quanlifiable means. Thoughts travel faster than light, but that does not violate Einstein's relativity which explicitly states nothing can cross the light speed threshold from any reference frame. Why? Because thoughts are non quatifiable and non physical in a strictly scientific sense.  If you have studied the history of modern science in the last few decades, you would be fascinated by the ideas of Quantum Mechanics, and the subsequent efforts at finding common ground between this and relativity. There is a interesting idea called " local realism " , which propelled Einstein to create the thought-experiement, famously known as the EPR Paradox, which was solved by Bell at a later date. Basically in QM, - at least in one interpretation of QM - (putting it in a bird's eye-view manner) nothing is purely deterministic but statistically probably. A measurement causes a collapse in the wave-function describing the quantum system based on the perspective of the observer. The Rutherford model of the atom is no longer valid. Electrons do not just spin around the neutron core. But move in probabilistic waves which collapse at the time of measurement. Thus the uncertainty principle of Heisenberg, which said two varaible, momentum and position cannot be measured with equal accuracy at the quantum level. There is much more of course. No wonder modern physics is so magical. A small change at one place can cause a simultaneous change at some other place, if the two objects are linked by quantum entanglement.  The point why I wrote all these is to say that there is much more in the world of QM which is still being understood through mathematical models. It is not a simple case of observable rays which affect. Same maybe a case with Jyotish. Who knows what more theories will come up in the world of physics which may at some future date be able to explain why and how jyotish works.  To make jyotish even acceptable scientifically, the first tool need is emperical evidence. Take x number of jyotishis and give then n number of multiple choice question regarding predictions in a test condition. Then check statistically the percentage of rights and wrongs. If the correct results appear to be more than 70 percent, then it shows this stuff is working and is not a fluke. Once this is established, THEN comes all the theroies and studies etc of why and how it is working. This is the way to go about, if people are serious about making jyotish acceptable in world of science. Otherwise, all talls claims and lectures and articles in a hundred jyotish forums or jyotish magazines will never make the world of science take a serious note of jyotish, much less accept it.   Just some random thoughts.  -Regards  Rajarshi    " Between me and You, there is only me. Take away the me, so only You remain " - Hallaj --- On Fri, 2/4/10, hari <harimalla wrote: hari <harimalla Re: PV Narsimha's Degree and Karma - Attacked At Swami Ramdeva Friday, 2 April, 2010, 8:24 AM  Dear shri Narsimhaji and shri Ranjanji, I have my respects for both you gentlemen. Thus I have ventured to ask this question,which I reserve only to a few. I have also liked the way shri Narsimhaji puts it as follows, <They taught not only the highest truths, but also lower truths that one of a lower intellectual (and spiritual) calibre can make use of!> My belief is that the theories put forward by the sages to help the lower intellectuals could be well inteneded and also formulated. But there seems to be one serious question pending, concerning the effects of the planets involved in our astrology. Do the other planets excepting the sun and the moon (including Rahu and Ketu which result from them) really have any appreciable effect on the creatures of earth? If there is any such effect why has science not been able to detect it so far when our radiology and radio telescopes have developed so much? This is a field which sincere astrologers should seriously consider and do more research on the matter.I have my belief that the effects of planets like Mangal, Budha, Brihaspati, Sukra and Sani are mis-represented. For example the effects of the magenetic field of the earth on the red cells (Haemoglobin) of our blood has been termed as the effect of mangal by the sages but has been mis represented as the remote red looking planet in the sky by the astrologers. Thess things, I feel, should be seriously re-evaluated in our astrology iwth the helop of scientific theories. Such researches will put our astrology on sounder footings. thank you, Regrds, Hari Malla , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > Narasimha, > > Two cents made out of PURE GOLD! :-) > > Pure Gold is very soft and very malleable and yet an excellent conductor of energy but yet extremely resistant to degradation and chemical attacks! > > Thanks for sharing such beautiful words! > > Kind Regards, > > Ranjan > > , " pvr108 " <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rajarshi, > > > > This is a private mail. Many years back, Ramakrishna asked Vivekananda what he would do if some ignorant people were harassing him. With his youthful exuberance, Swamiji (then just a young Narendra) said, " I will ignore them thinking that dogs bark at an elephant when the elephant walks " . > > > > Ramakrishna told him that was not the right attitude. Ignoring is right, but there is no need to think in those terms!!! > > > > Fight impassionately when your judgment is that the fight is worth it. Ignore impassionately when your judgment is that the fight is not worth it. But, expressing emotions like ridicule and anger only wastes one's spiritual energy. We need to keep control over the mind and conserve spiritual energy.. > > > > My 2 cents.. > > > > Thanks, > > Narasimha > > > > , " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > > > Don't worry, just relax and enjoy. We all need some cartoons from time > > > to time to keep us entertained- . Hope you get the drift- > > > > > > -Regards > > > > > > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I dont know by what name i should address!!You have already taken > > > names > > > > to belittle others now you started discussing their charts aswell!!Boy > > > > oh boy 1st look at yourself through your chart is my sincere and well > > > > wishing advise...... > > > > gopi. > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You w'd be surprised to read how low Narsimha goes out his mounted > > > ego > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > // > > > > > > > > > > By mixing up concepts of Hindu philosophy meant for different levels > > > > of > > > > > people to dismiss the astrological teachings of maharshis, you are > > > > doing > > > > > great disservice to people like me who have dedicated themselves to > > > > > spreading the correct teachings of maharshis. > > > > > > > > > > // > > > > > > > > > > Poor placemnt of planets in his horoscope has made him speak > > > anything > > > > to > > > > > any body, I doubt that he ever w'd be able to correct himself and > > > his > > > > > faulty line of vedic astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Go through following - > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/jyotisa/ message/27 > > > > > <http://groups. / group/jyotisa/ message/27> > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > This is an open letter to Swami Ramdev regarding some comments on > > > > > astrology attributed to him on the BBC website. If any of you have a > > > > > direct/indirect access to ------------ --------- -Forwarded > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > This is an open letter to Swami Ramdev regarding some comments on > > > > > astrology attributed to him on the BBC website. If any of you have a > > > > > direct/indirect access to him and can pass this message on, that > > > will > > > > be > > > > > great! > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > him and can pass this message on, that will be great! > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------ --------- Letter to Swami Ramdev > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar Swami Ramdev, > > > > > > > > > > I admire you for your fight to revive the teachings of Hindu sages > > > for > > > > > the betterment of the modern world and your tirade against > > > > superstition. > > > > > But I take a strong exception to the logic given by you to denounce > > > > > palmistry and astrology, as quoted by the following article on the > > > BBC > > > > > website: > > > > > > > > > > http://news. bbc.co.uk/ 2/hi/south_ asia/6240681. stm > > > > > <http://news. bbc.co.uk/ 2/hi/south_ asia/6240681. stm> > > > > > > > > > > The above article attributes some statements to you as given below: > > > > > > > > > > > If anything, he condemns all superstition and retrogressive > > > beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > > " I don't believe in destiny. Palmistry and all this talk about the > > > > > lines on > > > > > > your hands deciding your future is nothing but nonsense. So is > > > this > > > > > talk > > > > > > of sun signs and auspicious and inauspicious time and place, " he > > > > says. > > > > > > > > > > > > " Can you identify any moment or place where God is not there? He > > > is > > > > > > everywhere and all the time. So how can any place or time be less > > > or > > > > > > more auspicious? " he asks. " > > > > > > > > > > I am afraid your logic is faulty and misleading. Hindu sages and > > > > > scriptures have taught different concepts for people at different > > > > levels > > > > > of spiritual progress. One cannot mix them up indiscriminately. > > > > > > > > > > For a great sage who is immersed in the all-pervading Brahman, what > > > > you > > > > > said above is true. There is God in every point of time and space. > > > > There > > > > > is no duality and there is nothing called auspiciousness and > > > > > inauspiciousness. It is non-dual Brahman (or Narayana or Sadashiva > > > or > > > > > Allah or Krishna or Holy Spirit or Buddha or whatever you call > > > > > Him/Her/It) that fills every point of space and time - every > > > so-called > > > > > auspicious and so-called inauspicious point of time/space. A deluded > > > > > person sees various dual objects - good and bad - in It, but a > > > > liberated > > > > > sage sees only Brahman (non-dual self) in all. > > > > > > > > > > If actions started at a particular time result in happiness and > > > > actions > > > > > started at another time result in sadness, such a liberated sage > > > does > > > > > not look at them differently. He/She will see Brahman in both. A > > > > > liberated sage described in " Bhagavad Gita " or " Yoga Vaasishtham " > > > does > > > > > not distinguish between happiness and sadness, pleasure and pain, > > > good > > > > > and bad and other opposites of the dual world. All are simply > > > > different > > > > > manifestations/ extensions of the same non-dual Brahman to a > > > liberated > > > > > sage. > > > > > > > > > > However, it is vital to note that all this applies only to a > > > liberated > > > > > sage with self-knowledge. A normal person is not self-realized and > > > > hence > > > > > stuck in the delusion of this world appearance. Such a person cannot > > > > see > > > > > good and bad with an equal vision. If joining in a new job at a > > > > > particular time makes one have a good time and get a quick promotion > > > > and > > > > > joining in a new job at another times makes one lose that job and > > > stay > > > > > without job for a year, one may not be capable of looking at both in > > > > the > > > > > same way. One may not be able to see both the (so-called) fortune > > > and > > > > > (so-called) misfortune as manifestations of the same Brahman. To a > > > > > normal person, both are significantly different. One elates him/her > > > > and > > > > > the other depresses. A liberated sage, however, is neither elated at > > > > the > > > > > (so-called) fortune nor depressed by the (so-called) misfortune. > > > > > > > > > > The same maharshis who have taught and extolled the ultimate > > > non-dual > > > > > vision as the only reality and dismissed the dual world appearance > > > as > > > > a > > > > > delusion, have also taught the rules to use in swimming the ocean of > > > > > world appearance. The maharshis were compassionate. They taught not > > > > only > > > > > the highest truths, but also lower truths that one of a lower > > > > > intellectual (and spiritual) calibre can make use of! > > > > > > > > > > When learned men like you claim that subjects like astrology that > > > deal > > > > > with auspicious and inauspicious times are meaningless because there > > > > is > > > > > God in all times, they are, intentionally or unintentionally, mixing > > > > up > > > > > different levels of truths. This is misleading and incorrect. > > > > > > > > > > Let me repeat. If one is a self-realized person seeing no > > > distinction > > > > > between pleasure and pain, health and disease, fortune and > > > misfortune, > > > > > life and death, then subjects like astrology that deal with the > > > > working > > > > > of the delusive world appearance that rests on such a duality are > > > > > useless. However, if one is a " normal person " without > > > > self-realization, > > > > > immersed in the duality of this world appearance, then the > > > > astrological > > > > > teachings of maharshis are quaite relevant. If one cannot see > > > pleasure > > > > > and pain equally and desires to experience pleasure, one can plan > > > his > > > > > activities accordingly. Astrological teachings of sages like > > > Parasara, > > > > > Bhrigu, Kashypa and Garga are quite relevant to such a person in > > > > > planning the activities. > > > > > > > > > > By mixing up concepts of Hindu philosophy meant for different levels > > > > of > > > > > people to dismiss the astrological teachings of maharshis, you are > > > > doing > > > > > great disservice to people like me who have dedicated themselves to > > > > > spreading the correct teachings of maharshis. > > > > > > > > > > I do agree that there is a lot of nonsense in the name of astrology > > > > > these days. Any idiot with a pocket book on astrology can memorize a > > > > few > > > > > paragraphs and become an astrologer these days. Several astrologers > > > > loot > > > > > their customers with false/shallow knowledge and commercialism. All > > > > that > > > > > must be condemned. However, that is the fault of some astrologers > > > and > > > > > not the fault of the subject itself. > > > > > > > > > > There are some who have self-lessly dedicated themselves to a > > > sincere > > > > > and genuine pursuit of the astrological teachings of maharshis. I am > > > a > > > > > reasonably intelligent person - I have a B.Tech. degree from an IIT > > > > and > > > > > a masters from US - and I say with full honesty that the teachings > > > of > > > > > Parasara are truly brilliant and people use only 1% of his teachings > > > > > today. A new generation of scientifically educated astrology > > > > enthusiasts > > > > > like me are trying to revive the true Jyotisha as taught by > > > maharshis. > > > > I > > > > > do research and teach for free. One can download my Jyotisha > > > software > > > > > for free and mp3 audio recordings of my Jyotisha classes are also > > > > free. > > > > > I do " service " and not " business " with Jyotisha. > > > > > > > > > > As such, other educated people look at us with suspicion and > > > > skepticism. > > > > > Unfortunately, there is a certain stigma associated with astrology. > > > > When > > > > > other respected people like you with great following denounce > > > > astrology, > > > > > it is quite disappointing and makes our job even more difficult. If > > > > you > > > > > have not studied the Jyotisha teachings of maharshis, please do not > > > > > comment on astrology. There is no need to make misleading comments > > > > based > > > > > on false logic and make things that are already difficult more > > > > difficult > > > > > for genuine people. > > > > > > > > > > Whether by design or by coincidence, you represent the wisdom of > > > > ancient > > > > > rishis to modern Indian populace. This position places a lot of > > > > > importance and value in whatever you say regarding anything related > > > to > > > > > ancient Indian wisdom and knowledge. Kindly use your position with > > > > good > > > > > judgment. If you use your position to wrongly denounce some > > > teachings > > > > of > > > > > rishis that you yourself do not have experience in, it will be > > > > > unfortunate. It will be a disservice to aarsha vidyaa. > > > > > > > > > > Apart from these notes of discord related to your comments on > > > > Jyotisha, > > > > > I have the highest respect for you. I myself am somewhat of a yogi > > > and > > > > > have relied on ayurveda for several years now and I respect the work > > > > you > > > > > have done in reviving the popular interest in Yoga and Ayurveda. > > > > Please > > > > > keep up your great work. > > > > > > > > > > Sincere regards, > > > > > P.V.R. 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Guest guest Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Dear Rajarshiji, Enjoyed reading your interesting mail. <What if the way astrology works has nothing to do with these emissions? We have " assumed " that it has a gravitational pull that effects, but is it really so? Further, is there an ethereal form of the gravitation force too? Who knows> I think we need no other ultimae field to explain the ethereal world than the universal gravitation force accepted by science today. I am convinced that gravitation explains all facts of our spiritual life as explained by our philosophies. I was more convinced about this fact after reading Surya Sidhanta, which explains 'Sayujya mokshya' as the unification of Amsa Purush with the orb of the Sun. Thus we do not need any other ethreal gravitation force to explain our vedic philosophy. In this light, we must re-think about our phalit jyotish. I have seen that there are two people involved in the process, one is the sage who is experiencing and reporting the mental experiences, while the other is trying to understand and interpet in terms of measurable objects, and in this process wrongly interlinking with the other planets, those forces already existing within the earth. There has been a gap of undestanding between them. I have found that Dharma shastras are 95 percent if not 100, tallying with science, but phalit jyotish, badly falls short of that accuracy of scientific explanation. Regards, Hari Malla , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote: > > Namaste, >  > Though it is not addressed to me, I would like to mention a few points from my perspective. >  > Do the other planets excepting the sun and the moon (including Rahu and Ketu which result from them) really have any appreciable effect on the creatures of earth? If there is any such effect why has science not been able to detect it so far when our radiology and radio telescopes have developed so much? >  > What you have asked is a valid query. But, one must consider the fact that what a radiotelescope detects are various emissions from one side of the spectrum. What if the way astrology works has nothing to do with these emissions? We have " assumed " that it has a gravitational pull that effects, but is it really so? Further, is there an ethereal form of the gravitation force too? Who knows! >  > What if the effects are at a subliminal level? Science of today - as it stands now - is incapable of dealing with subliminal measurements. It only recognizes and understands physical procedures through quanlifiable means. Thoughts travel faster than light, but that does not violate Einstein's relativity which explicitly states nothing can cross the light speed threshold from any reference frame. Why? Because thoughts are non quatifiable and non physical in a strictly scientific sense. >  > If you have studied the history of modern science in the last few decades, you would be fascinated by the ideas of Quantum Mechanics, and the subsequent efforts at finding common ground between this and relativity. There is a interesting idea called " local realism " , which propelled Einstein to create the thought-experiement, famously known as the EPR Paradox, which was solved by Bell at a later date. Basically in QM, - at least in one interpretation of QM - (putting it in a bird's eye-view manner) nothing is purely deterministic but statistically probably. A measurement causes a collapse in the wave-function describing the quantum system based on the perspective of the observer. The Rutherford model of the atom is no longer valid. Electrons do not just spin around the neutron core. But move in probabilistic waves which collapse at the time of measurement. Thus the uncertainty principle of Heisenberg, which said two varaible, momentum and position > cannot be measured with equal accuracy at the quantum level. There is much more of course. No wonder modern physics is so magical. A small change at one place can cause a simultaneous change at some other place, if the two objects are linked by quantum entanglement. >  > The point why I wrote all these is to say that there is much more in the world of QM which is still being understood through mathematical models. It is not a simple case of observable rays which affect. Same maybe a case with Jyotish. Who knows what more theories will come up in the world of physics which may at some future date be able to explain why and how jyotish works. >  > To make jyotish even acceptable scientifically, the first tool need is emperical evidence. Take x number of jyotishis and give then n number of multiple choice question regarding predictions in a test condition. Then check statistically the percentage of rights and wrongs. If the correct results appear to be more than 70 percent, then it shows this stuff is working and is not a fluke. Once this is established, THEN comes all the theroies and studies etc of why and how it is working. This is the way to go about, if people are serious about making jyotish acceptable in world of science. Otherwise, all talls claims and lectures and articles in a hundred jyotish forums or jyotish magazines will never make the world of science take a serious note of jyotish, much less accept it. >  >  > Just some random thoughts. >  > -Regards >  Rajarshi >  >  >  > > " Between me and You, there is only me. > Take away the me, so only You remain " - Hallaj > > --- On Fri, 2/4/10, hari <harimalla wrote: > > > hari <harimalla > Re: PV Narsimha's Degree and Karma - Attacked At Swami Ramdeva > > Friday, 2 April, 2010, 8:24 AM > > >  > > > > Dear shri Narsimhaji and shri Ranjanji, > I have my respects for both you gentlemen. Thus I have ventured to ask this question,which I reserve only to a few. I have also liked the way shri Narsimhaji puts it as follows, > <They taught not only the highest truths, but also lower truths that one of a lower intellectual (and spiritual) calibre can make use of!> > > My belief is that the theories put forward by the sages to help the lower intellectuals could be well inteneded and also formulated. But there seems to be one serious question pending, concerning the effects of the planets involved in our astrology. Do the other planets excepting the sun and the moon (including Rahu and Ketu which result from them) really have any appreciable effect on the creatures of earth? If there is any such effect why has science not been able to detect it so far when our radiology and radio telescopes have developed so much? This is a field which sincere astrologers should seriously consider and do more research on the matter.I have my belief that the effects of planets like Mangal, Budha, Brihaspati, Sukra and Sani are mis-represented. For example the effects of the magenetic field of the earth on the red cells (Haemoglobin) of our blood has been termed as the effect of mangal by the sages but has been mis represented as the > remote red looking planet in the sky by the astrologers. Thess things, I feel, should be seriously re-evaluated in our astrology iwth the helop of scientific theories. Such researches will put our astrology on sounder footings. > thank you, > Regrds, > Hari Malla > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > Narasimha, > > > > Two cents made out of PURE GOLD! :-) > > > > Pure Gold is very soft and very malleable and yet an excellent conductor of energy but yet extremely resistant to degradation and chemical attacks! > > > > Thanks for sharing such beautiful words! > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Ranjan > > > > , " pvr108 " <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rajarshi, > > > > > > This is a private mail. Many years back, Ramakrishna asked Vivekananda what he would do if some ignorant people were harassing him. With his youthful exuberance, Swamiji (then just a young Narendra) said, " I will ignore them thinking that dogs bark at an elephant when the elephant walks " . > > > > > > Ramakrishna told him that was not the right attitude. Ignoring is right, but there is no need to think in those terms!!! > > > > > > Fight impassionately when your judgment is that the fight is worth it. Ignore impassionately when your judgment is that the fight is not worth it. But, expressing emotions like ridicule and anger only wastes one's spiritual energy. We need to keep control over the mind and conserve spiritual energy.. > > > > > > My 2 cents.. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Narasimha > > > > > > , " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > Don't worry, just relax and enjoy. We all need some cartoons from time > > > > to time to keep us entertained- . Hope you get the drift- > > > > > > > > -Regards > > > > > > > > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I dont know by what name i should address!!You have already taken > > > > names > > > > > to belittle others now you started discussing their charts aswell!!Boy > > > > > oh boy 1st look at yourself through your chart is my sincere and well > > > > > wishing advise...... > > > > > gopi. > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You w'd be surprised to read how low Narsimha goes out his mounted > > > > ego > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > // > > > > > > > > > > > > By mixing up concepts of Hindu philosophy meant for different levels > > > > > of > > > > > > people to dismiss the astrological teachings of maharshis, you are > > > > > doing > > > > > > great disservice to people like me who have dedicated themselves to > > > > > > spreading the correct teachings of maharshis. > > > > > > > > > > > > // > > > > > > > > > > > > Poor placemnt of planets in his horoscope has made him speak > > > > anything > > > > > to > > > > > > any body, I doubt that he ever w'd be able to correct himself and > > > > his > > > > > > faulty line of vedic astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Go through following - > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/jyotisa/ message/27 > > > > > > <http://groups. / group/jyotisa/ message/27> > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an open letter to Swami Ramdev regarding some comments on > > > > > > astrology attributed to him on the BBC website. If any of you have a > > > > > > direct/indirect access to ------------ --------- -Forwarded > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an open letter to Swami Ramdev regarding some comments on > > > > > > astrology attributed to him on the BBC website. If any of you have a > > > > > > direct/indirect access to him and can pass this message on, that > > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > great! > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > him and can pass this message on, that will be great! > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > ------------ --------- Letter to Swami Ramdev > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar Swami Ramdev, > > > > > > > > > > > > I admire you for your fight to revive the teachings of Hindu sages > > > > for > > > > > > the betterment of the modern world and your tirade against > > > > > superstition. > > > > > > But I take a strong exception to the logic given by you to denounce > > > > > > palmistry and astrology, as quoted by the following article on the > > > > BBC > > > > > > website: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://news. bbc.co.uk/ 2/hi/south_ asia/6240681. stm > > > > > > <http://news. bbc.co.uk/ 2/hi/south_ asia/6240681. stm> > > > > > > > > > > > > The above article attributes some statements to you as given below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anything, he condemns all superstition and retrogressive > > > > beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I don't believe in destiny. Palmistry and all this talk about the > > > > > > lines on > > > > > > > your hands deciding your future is nothing but nonsense. So is > > > > this > > > > > > talk > > > > > > > of sun signs and auspicious and inauspicious time and place, " he > > > > > says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Can you identify any moment or place where God is not there? He > > > > is > > > > > > > everywhere and all the time. So how can any place or time be less > > > > or > > > > > > > more auspicious? " he asks. " > > > > > > > > > > > > I am afraid your logic is faulty and misleading. Hindu sages and > > > > > > scriptures have taught different concepts for people at different > > > > > levels > > > > > > of spiritual progress. One cannot mix them up indiscriminately. > > > > > > > > > > > > For a great sage who is immersed in the all-pervading Brahman, what > > > > > you > > > > > > said above is true. There is God in every point of time and space. > > > > > There > > > > > > is no duality and there is nothing called auspiciousness and > > > > > > inauspiciousness. It is non-dual Brahman (or Narayana or Sadashiva > > > > or > > > > > > Allah or Krishna or Holy Spirit or Buddha or whatever you call > > > > > > Him/Her/It) that fills every point of space and time - every > > > > so-called > > > > > > auspicious and so-called inauspicious point of time/space. A deluded > > > > > > person sees various dual objects - good and bad - in It, but a > > > > > liberated > > > > > > sage sees only Brahman (non-dual self) in all. > > > > > > > > > > > > If actions started at a particular time result in happiness and > > > > > actions > > > > > > started at another time result in sadness, such a liberated sage > > > > does > > > > > > not look at them differently. He/She will see Brahman in both. A > > > > > > liberated sage described in " Bhagavad Gita " or " Yoga Vaasishtham " > > > > does > > > > > > not distinguish between happiness and sadness, pleasure and pain, > > > > good > > > > > > and bad and other opposites of the dual world. All are simply > > > > > different > > > > > > manifestations/ extensions of the same non-dual Brahman to a > > > > liberated > > > > > > sage. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is vital to note that all this applies only to a > > > > liberated > > > > > > sage with self-knowledge. A normal person is not self-realized and > > > > > hence > > > > > > stuck in the delusion of this world appearance. Such a person cannot > > > > > see > > > > > > good and bad with an equal vision. If joining in a new job at a > > > > > > particular time makes one have a good time and get a quick promotion > > > > > and > > > > > > joining in a new job at another times makes one lose that job and > > > > stay > > > > > > without job for a year, one may not be capable of looking at both in > > > > > the > > > > > > same way. One may not be able to see both the (so-called) fortune > > > > and > > > > > > (so-called) misfortune as manifestations of the same Brahman. To a > > > > > > normal person, both are significantly different. One elates him/her > > > > > and > > > > > > the other depresses. A liberated sage, however, is neither elated at > > > > > the > > > > > > (so-called) fortune nor depressed by the (so-called) misfortune. > > > > > > > > > > > > The same maharshis who have taught and extolled the ultimate > > > > non-dual > > > > > > vision as the only reality and dismissed the dual world appearance > > > > as > > > > > a > > > > > > delusion, have also taught the rules to use in swimming the ocean of > > > > > > world appearance. The maharshis were compassionate. They taught not > > > > > only > > > > > > the highest truths, but also lower truths that one of a lower > > > > > > intellectual (and spiritual) calibre can make use of! > > > > > > > > > > > > When learned men like you claim that subjects like astrology that > > > > deal > > > > > > with auspicious and inauspicious times are meaningless because there > > > > > is > > > > > > God in all times, they are, intentionally or unintentionally, mixing > > > > > up > > > > > > different levels of truths. This is misleading and incorrect. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me repeat. If one is a self-realized person seeing no > > > > distinction > > > > > > between pleasure and pain, health and disease, fortune and > > > > misfortune, > > > > > > life and death, then subjects like astrology that deal with the > > > > > working > > > > > > of the delusive world appearance that rests on such a duality are > > > > > > useless. However, if one is a " normal person " without > > > > > self-realization, > > > > > > immersed in the duality of this world appearance, then the > > > > > astrological > > > > > > teachings of maharshis are quaite relevant. If one cannot see > > > > pleasure > > > > > > and pain equally and desires to experience pleasure, one can plan > > > > his > > > > > > activities accordingly. Astrological teachings of sages like > > > > Parasara, > > > > > > Bhrigu, Kashypa and Garga are quite relevant to such a person in > > > > > > planning the activities. > > > > > > > > > > > > By mixing up concepts of Hindu philosophy meant for different levels > > > > > of > > > > > > people to dismiss the astrological teachings of maharshis, you are > > > > > doing > > > > > > great disservice to people like me who have dedicated themselves to > > > > > > spreading the correct teachings of maharshis. > > > > > > > > > > > > I do agree that there is a lot of nonsense in the name of astrology > > > > > > these days. Any idiot with a pocket book on astrology can memorize a > > > > > few > > > > > > paragraphs and become an astrologer these days. Several astrologers > > > > > loot > > > > > > their customers with false/shallow knowledge and commercialism. All > > > > > that > > > > > > must be condemned. However, that is the fault of some astrologers > > > > and > > > > > > not the fault of the subject itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are some who have self-lessly dedicated themselves to a > > > > sincere > > > > > > and genuine pursuit of the astrological teachings of maharshis. I am > > > > a > > > > > > reasonably intelligent person - I have a B.Tech. degree from an IIT > > > > > and > > > > > > a masters from US - and I say with full honesty that the teachings > > > > of > > > > > > Parasara are truly brilliant and people use only 1% of his teachings > > > > > > today. A new generation of scientifically educated astrology > > > > > enthusiasts > > > > > > like me are trying to revive the true Jyotisha as taught by > > > > maharshis. > > > > > I > > > > > > do research and teach for free. One can download my Jyotisha > > > > software > > > > > > for free and mp3 audio recordings of my Jyotisha classes are also > > > > > free. > > > > > > I do " service " and not " business " with Jyotisha. > > > > > > > > > > > > As such, other educated people look at us with suspicion and > > > > > skepticism. > > > > > > Unfortunately, there is a certain stigma associated with astrology. > > > > > When > > > > > > other respected people like you with great following denounce > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > it is quite disappointing and makes our job even more difficult. If > > > > > you > > > > > > have not studied the Jyotisha teachings of maharshis, please do not > > > > > > comment on astrology. There is no need to make misleading comments > > > > > based > > > > > > on false logic and make things that are already difficult more > > > > > difficult > > > > > > for genuine people. > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether by design or by coincidence, you represent the wisdom of > > > > > ancient > > > > > > rishis to modern Indian populace. This position places a lot of > > > > > > importance and value in whatever you say regarding anything related > > > > to > > > > > > ancient Indian wisdom and knowledge. Kindly use your position with > > > > > good > > > > > > judgment. If you use your position to wrongly denounce some > > > > teachings > > > > > of > > > > > > rishis that you yourself do not have experience in, it will be > > > > > > unfortunate. It will be a disservice to aarsha vidyaa. > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from these notes of discord related to your comments on > > > > > Jyotisha, > > > > > > I have the highest respect for you. I myself am somewhat of a yogi > > > > and > > > > > > have relied on ayurveda for several years now and I respect the work > > > > > you > > > > > > have done in reviving the popular interest in Yoga and Ayurveda. > > > > > Please > > > > > > keep up your great work. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincere regards, > > > > > > P.V.R. 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